Oh, that's no that's fine because it'll share on Facebook from Twitter. Yeah, so they haven't managed to break that yet
Hi, welcome to the land show where we're just we just carry on whatever internal we went away with our conversation
Yeah, as long as there's no, you know, it's all about positivity though. No whining whining
I don't know what sound is coming out of my lap. Oh, right. It's a twitch edge. Thanks twitch
All right, so we've got a bunch of great topics for you today
Actually, we have a handful of really great topics for you guys today
Cars were hacked. Well one car was hacked, but it was done wirelessly, which is the big concern
Pro gamers are they using drugs?
Yes, a license to kill drones
Also Toshiba lied about an insane amount of money. Yeah, like like this much money
Yeah, actually a lot more than that actually. Yes. Well, no depends on which movie Oh
Yes
intro time
I fix it
Oh
Thanks Batman, yeah
No problem
Christian Bale as Batman
endorses class
Which is like phantom?
Right because he's like which is actually more of a Star Wars thing than a Batman
Because the that's really funny. He has my wife in his phone with my last name
She actually never changed her last name
So I'm just gonna you know, what what I won't do is jump right into like our big topic for today, which is that?
hackers managed to gain a fair amount of control over a vehicle while it was
Being operated by by a person and I'm gonna go ahead and jump into one of the slightly smaller ones
So this one is from naked security dot-com. I'm gonna go ahead and drop some
favorite website
detectives calm and let us meet you to go dot-com and youtube.com slash try detectives and I fix it dot-com and phantom us
What the heck?
Not now. Um, all right. So this one is the headline here is
Right to destroy our right to kill drones at least that's our headline for it. So here it is naked security
Dreams of legally slapping drones out of the sky may come true
Which I guess Luke is gonna take over because now there's a handful of people waiting for me outside the room
I'll be right back. This is easily the best coordinated coordinated least problematic land show
we've ever had we've I don't think not having a phone call in the middle of it from
One of the owners of the company would have been any better and I don't think that having Linus leave
Part way through would have made it any better either
I think this is literally the perfect state that it could have been in. I just wanted to clarify that
I'm getting another phone call. This is fantastic
The more phone calls that I get the better off the show is actually gonna be I just wanted to point that out there
Anyways, moving on to dreams of legally slapping drones under there. I guess Linus has it on screen
Can I scroll down at all?
Yes, I'm gonna put text there so that it's literally impossible to get anything from it. Is there any other screenshots?
No, we're gonna go back up to the drone. So I
Am not very up-to-date on this topic, but I do know that a few times in a few different areas
people haven't been able to put out fires due to drones being in the way helicopters have had to be grounded because the drones are
Getting too close to them and they're worried about the helicopter crashing and it's just generally
Kind of a terrible idea
now speaking of terrible ideas one of the ways that they're planning to combat this is by
They would disable the drones using jamming technology, which would end up blocking Wi-Fi and GPS signals to drones
Making them ultimately crash. The problem with this is that it would also block calls and messages to mobile devices
Meaning if they're going to do this in dangerous zones, they would be blocking people from using their cell phones, which is
Terrible, that's actually a terrible terrible idea. So to avoid having drones being in the area
They're blocking the usage of cell phones. So if you're in the dangerous area, you won't be able to contact anyone
That's outside of the dangerous area
It just seems like a really stupid idea they need a better way to take down the drones I
I like those I liked that drone that deploys a net over others. Yes, the hunter drone. Yeah, I'm a hunter drone
That was absolutely I was kind of thinking like like mount something on the helicopter that has like a net an anti drone
Gun or something? You know what? I kind of have to pee. Maybe I'll just come join the show. All right. Yeah
Another thing that I was thinking of is like if you have a really skilled helicopter pilot
Just try to get them to squat on top of the drone also
So like come over hover above it. Also the blades on the helicopter must throw drones like crazy
Unless I guess you have a really really expensive one
Anyways, I'm worried about the legal response that they're trying to imply here
Because I'm scared of cell phone blocking not because I'm scared of the drones falling. I don't give a crap about the drones at all
Destroy them all you want. I just I do worry a little bit about blocking emergency communication
Because you want to take down a drone, I think there's got to be some better way to do that
There's a quote from Assemblyman Gatto in California
He says just because you have access to an expensive toy that can fly in a dangerous area doesn't mean you should do it
Cool
I'm sure a lot of the people flying these drones probably didn't realize the negative implications of flying it in the first place
Now they probably know that doesn't mean they're gonna stop doing it
I'm sure a lot of these people are trying to sell footage to the news
So they'll do it for whatever reason they don't care if they can get money
So putting in some form of law and having a right to destroy the drones is great
I just don't know if blocking all of
The GPS and Wi-Fi communication is a good idea nerf cannons
So don't another helicopter with your rescue helicopter, that's just like dudes with like nerf turrets and stuff
Yeah, I don't think nerf would really do it though. Yeah, no probably not some of them do
No, probably not some of the like if if we were talking like AR drones then
probably but if we're talking like the
The 3d are solo that we just are that we just checked out
That thing is pretty robust
Like I can imagine having to hit it with like, you know
A five-pound projectile at least to really make an impact unless you manage to hit a propeller or something
It's pretty robust. So
Yeah, I don't I don't have the solution. It's just it's fairly clear that jamming
Signals is is not it month with that said if the intention is to jam signals
You know kind of kind of a EMP bomb style, you know for
10 seconds or 20 seconds you need to take the drone out of the sky then I don't think that's what the plan is
But I can't actually say because I I would I would assume that it wouldn't be used as a weapon
I would assume that it would be used as a passive thing right where you just have
Jamming on well, no because they're jamming GPS too. And I'm sure a rescue helicopter is gonna want its own GPS working
It's not like there's GPS pixie dust that makes if you're jamming GPS then yeah
I think it's mostly for fighting fires. So you can't find it
Time to just pack her up and go home
But you're right
All right, so let's get into one of our other this is just I don't know this is just kind of funny if you don't
Oh, yeah, and if it was an EMP, the helicopter would very possibly go down. Yeah. No, I don't mean EMP
I just mean like in a blast. Yeah, I turn on the jammer of 10 seconds. Turn it off. Yeah. Yes jammers are just
Exactly like you you can buy jammers. You shouldn't they're illegal
Yeah, but you'll get in trouble if you do so. Yeah. Well, you'll get in trouble if you use it
I think in certain I think in Canada I looked into it in Canada
I believe they are illegal to import illegal to own illegal to operate
But I believe there are places where they're legal to import and own but not legal to operate
Like I almost nowhere are they legal to operate they basically shouldn't exist, but they're they're pretty easy to make
Yeah, and there's ones that and they're inexpensive there's ones that are kind of like you could shut down everything within kind of a movie theater
type radius sort of thing so if it's like
Or like on a bus that you're traveling on so it's like I like I was looking at it as more of like a prank
Thing like I was like I should get like a super low-powered one
So if I'm sitting next to my sister or something, this is when I was younger, right be like
You know, you know like the classic, you know extra TV remote behind your parents like that kind of thing
But it's it's pretty serious business if you get caught using them
So I really wouldn't someone in the chat was saying that they should just combat without sketch
They should just combat the drones by having deployable
Maybe extendable fire poles on the helicopters like a giant like a flyswatter. Yeah or like
Mmm, hold on a second. What if they had a silly string cannon?
like industrial no industrial grade silly string
So rope, yeah, well, yeah, well, that's boring when you say it like that's fun
Yes, essentially rope, thank you so the net
Right
So now um, so Toshiba's CEO has resigned over 1.2 billion
dollar accounting scandal
Over seven years. Yeah, like all of a sudden one deal. They magically made a fake
Ad not be blocked. Are you kidding me? All right. There we go. Sorry about that you guys
So eight board members including vice chairman have resigned their posts as part of a major
management
Reshuffle their current chairman was named interim president. And this is one of the oh, oh, this is this is funny
So your end dividends and postponed earnings have been cancelled
So there will be no dividends
Unfortunately on the fake money. Yeah, Toshiba's stock has dropped around 20% since early April and the accounting issues first came to life
Here's what I'm kind of curious about. Why did anyone actually believe that Toshiba was making money? What do they even do?
They sell some laptops not that many of them. I do know that and they bought a company
right
But do they do they even still make TVs? I
I don't know. I have one of theirs and I like it. There you go. Toshiba Canada 3d TV LED TV
Okay, let's just okay. Let's let's go to Toshiba's website. I'm just curious. What do they actually do?
I mean once the last time you saw a Toshiba tablet
I remember back when the first round of like decent Android tablets were rolling out back in the Tegra two days
so you had like the
the Motorola zoom
you had the Asus transformer like TF 101 or whatever that thing was you had the
Samsung one that we actually still have deployed to this day the galaxy tab 10.1 and then Toshiba had one
That was just like awful
Toshiba I want to say thrive
Toshiba thrive
Tablet 10.1 8 gig. Yeah, that was it. It had that like massive bezel
Yeah, and it was like super thick and just like
Generally, it thrives off of a little bit too much food. Yeah, it was just kind of stupid compared to everything else
So let's like look at all this stuff. So
Here, you know what? We got a straw pull this. We got a straw pull this
Have you bought anything from Toshiba in the last year?
Nice. Yeah
No
Me neither
So we have two no's
Good start
Okay, oh wow, there's a whoa
Yeah, there was this is the new straw pulls been updated we can make you guys do a capture
Before answering if we didn't want to get any
responses to our straw pulls
Although everyone is answering the twitch chat guys. We don't look at it except when we do
Yes, that is how people do polls
It's like if I wanted to conduct a national survey
I would just I would just like have an open phone line that people just call in and say their answers and then I wouldn't
Write it down. I would just sit there and I kind of go. Oh, yeah, it really seems like
22%
so laptops desktops tablets
Computer accessories like I gotta I gotta know I gotta know what computer accessories. Oh, I think I'm on the support site
So this might not even all be current stuff
All right
Shiba dot CA slash. Sorry. Yeah
We're sorry
Sorry
To Shiba accessories blowout they make UPS is apparently okay
Okay office products Oh large like like large multifunctions
telecom stuff
Bags
monitors
portable storage, okay, so like
Rebranding stuff a lot of this is gonna be rebranding stuff
Okay, they make industrial stuff like point-of-sale this and that and barcode printers UPS's surveillance systems
Medical MRI systems. Oh, okay. Okay, so it's really involved in that kind of stuff
digital signage so very very
industrial
industrial oriented, but of course that relies on
winning bids and
Whereas consumer can be more can be more run rate business. So having a look at how the results are looking Wow
Mere 11% of you have bought anything from Toshiba in the last year speaking of turnips
By the way, the vote for turnip shirt. I think this is the last day. Oh my gosh. I haven't ordered one yet
Okay, I need to I need to get my order going here
So yeah, three hours left, so I'm gonna have like an hour after when show an hour and a half after when show to deal
with this, all right
Yeah, what's our next Oh next topic okay doping in eSports this is
Yeah, yeah, I just did that yeah, yeah all good no, what's this it oh I see um
Um, so where are we going to what's going on?
What's going on doping in eSports doping in eSports? All right. Did you copy that into the twitch chat working?
All right. I'm gonna bring up the I like closed the I closed the WAN show doc. I have no idea what's going on today
so I
Guess there's two different
Sort of major questions here
Um
Number one is
You know
Why are no, I guess there's one major question here. Um, who didn't know about this?
Yeah
Why are we pretending that this is
Some kind of surprise. Oh my god. We need to work with like
Drug agencies and stuff to drug test people for things that literally everyone's doing and we all knew was happening like the ESL guys
I'm sure they knew of course they did I knew I don't even follow eSports
I'm like, I've been aware of this for literally years
Like got a land tournaments that I used to go to people would do it there
Yeah, like it's not like there weren't guys with like
Ritalin at land tournaments and I'm not saying that no one is legitimately on Ritalin believe it or not
I've got a bit of a you know
bombastic personality and
At one point or another I might have been on Ritalin with a prescription it did mellow me out by the way
But you know, I lost some of my energy which I think is sort of how it works
improves my focus though, that's for sure, so I
guess I just
What is the controversy here?
the car I guess the controversy like they've known enough to have it in their
regulations that you're not allowed to use performance enhancing drugs and they've also known enough to
not build in any kinds of of
Penalties for using them because if they penalize players for using performance enhancing drugs
They know that they're just it's gonna be like
Yeah, Major League Baseball all over again
Because everyone's writing so to speak even though they're not writing because you don't actually need like a huge arm to operate on
You know, what is it? 63 grams for a big mouth? I think Pasha biceps would disagree. Well
Bosch down. Okay, I did specifically I
Specifically bought the final mouth for that reason you gotta have your mouse, you know, you got a g502
You know, you got a wireless mouse with some double-a batteries in there then
Yeah, you probably shouldn't be like professionally gaming on a wireless mouse, but that's a whole other whole other conversation
The point is is that this is this is just kind of hilarious
So as a former cloud 9 player Cory's sent this Friesen who said in an interview quote, I don't even care
we were all on Adderall and
This
This is this is this is great
So the interviewer then interjects with everyone does Adderall on yes at ESL one right to which he replies in the affirmative and then
what an awkward moment that is because
You know, I gotta give I gotta give Friesen credit here
Because this is totally not the way this story plays out
Usually we're talking years or decades of denial and lengthy legal
Processes to prove that you know, someone was someone was doping
Instead we're taking the honest path here
it's like and this is this is again part of the reason why I am confused as to why anyone thinks that this was a
Secret because yeah, it's not like in an interview. It would be unusual to handle the question this way
but in casual conversation
It's not a secret. Yeah, so
I
Guess I just I don't really know what else to say. I mean, what are what are they doing? What's the action plan?
I don't I think there there's some plans to bring in certain drug agencies. Like let's see here. We're taking the steps to level
We're taking the steps to level with that's a weird sentence to level with traditional sports and it's going to take a while before any
Esports organization will administer regular drug tests. We hope to speed this process up proactively by seeking advice from authorities and starting small
Full-blown drug tests at eSports events are far away, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't try to tackle the issue
What is going on I'm just popular
I'm just basically a cool guy
Yeah, I know, right
Oh
So, I mean here's a
So we're yeah, we want to basically they're gonna work on it's gonna take a while
It's been happening for literally forever and everyone knew it was happening and they only care because it's brought to the spotlight and a whole
Bunch of people were like, wow, I didn't know about this and then that's about it
You know South Park did that great episode about the the whole Tiger Woods cheating thing
Where basically like every male on the planet is involved in this gigantic
Conspiracy where they're pretending that you know
men with money and power
Wouldn't they have to be like sex crazed and like diseased in the head to leverage that to you know
Mate with as many partners as they can the kind of thing like like the and I'm not I'm not saying that
Everyone with money and power is you know running around?
Sleeping with tons of women or anything or any woman might you know?
I'm just I'm just saying it's one of those basal basal instincts is sowing the seed
And so anyway, it's this gigantic conspiracy that no one can understand
Why what could drive a man to do that and they just kill anyone who you know?
That's the women on to them. Like it's it's a fairly it's a it's a fairly natural thing to you know
Try to create the the best offspring by you know, and lots of them and like all that kind of stuff
It's just kind of a human nature thing. This feels very very similar in the sense that it's like
The least well-kept secret on the face of the earth and yet we're pretending that oh my god. This was happening
Wow, no one takes steroids in football ever
Why would you do that? I don't know, you know, what's funny the NHL manages to keep their
Manages to keep their face pretty clean on most of that stuff. There are surprisingly little scandal in the NHL compared to a football and basketball
Yeah, I don't know why that is. I actually have no idea. I
I legitimately don't know because you know ice skates can't melt steel beams
Um because you can you can look at certain things about
About a sport like barrier to entry
You know regions where really high barrier of entry for for ice hockey
But you could make this a very similar argument about something like football
I don't think even as much not as much that's true, but you know compared to something like basketball
We're literally anyone can go shoot hoops at the local
Basketball court because yeah, there are lots of them but even football
Like hockey if you play like floor hockey in the street your barrier of entry is pretty low, but it's also
Quite different from ice hockey playing football in the street with your buddies
I would even argue is more similar to actual football
Right that's a that's a fairly good argument because at least you're like fundamental movement properties don't change. Yeah
Yeah, whereas ice skating even the most similar thing we have to ice skating which I guess would be rollerblading is really not that close
I was a very good rollerblader and a trash ice skater. I could go really fast, but I couldn't like stop happy Gilmore
Oh my gosh, I screwed up. I thought I had the wrong movie reference for a second
I was like that's like one of my all-time favorite movies. How do this up go watch pixels pixels?
What is do not go watch pixels? What's pixels? It's an it's from happy Gilmore productions
What is happy Gilmore productions or happy Gilmore?
Wait, what is it? You mean Adam Sandler? Yeah, but he has a production company. Does he really it's terrible
All these things actually happen in Adam Sandler's pixels
Well, this is a Kotaku article. We have Madison productions
Okay, as you've likely heard it's a bad movie almost pleasingly stupid act one a young Brenner and young Cooper
Pedaled to a new arcade called the electric dreams factory
We see cabinets a pac-man Brenner enters himself into the 1982 worldwide arcade championship where he loses a tie-breaking
Donkey Kong title bout to Eddie plant
Dan Ackroyd emcees the tournament and announces that footage of the games will be included on a probe that bees is being sent into space
Well, that's already completely incoherent
There's amazing video reviews of this or people just tear it apart the president summons Brenner and Ludlow to the Oval Office
Has been analyzing the alien attacks and has invented light guns that can destroy them. Oh
Oh
Okay
Sees a couple of light guns. All right. Well, did you see it? No, no
Okay, I've just seen many a review that tears it apart and you brought up that dude
So I thought I would just bring up two people did not go watch that movie not go watch pixels. Okay. Okay. Got it
So, um, you know what? I people are like spoiler alert and a whole bunch people in the chat
We're like you can't spoil an Adam Sandler movie
I
Such a good answer
Adam Sandler is silly Adam Sandler dicks around for an hour and 20 minutes Adam Sandler prevails
Basically, yeah
Alrighty, then, you know what?
I actually kind of want to straw-pull the whole the whole eSports doping thing because you know what?
Sometimes we get caught up in that everyone knows this but actually it's not that common knowledge
Ah eSports doping. I don't really should I didn't know
I
Suspected but wasn't sure and then okay. Well, yeah, we suspected no, I know cuz we saw it. Yeah, I
Literally, but if you've never been to a land then I guess you would suspect
I have literally seen people who have literally told me that they literally did not have a legitimate prescription
legitimately taking in this case not Adderall, but it was Ritalin so
I've been to
At one packs that I was at in a counter-strike tournament that I was in
There was people taking Adderall and Ritalin and stuff and me and my buddy weren't taking Adderall and Ritalin, but we had
Like, you know those balls were on energy drinks right before our match
I think we had like four and then there was these caffeine energy mint things
We both ate an entire pack and I was sitting there like almost shaking that must have been really bad for it was because of reasons
That I didn't know about yet, which is why I was shaking right
But that we did really well
Like super well, my performance was way higher than it normally was
Here is a great question
That I that I think is that I think is actually a pretty important one because if eSports is gonna pretend that we're gonna tackle
You know performance enhancing drugs
Do you think that you know chugging down energy drinks should be considered a performance enhancing drug?
Like should you have a tolerable level of caffeine even?
interesting, I don't know apparently lots of people didn't know but it is that is super definitely a
Well, this could be people that don't follow eSports. Mm-hmm. That's another question
But caffeine is a drug isn't warana also a drug
Oh, yeah, blah blah. I can't I can't remember. I don't know has an active ingredient or anything something but
Caffeine is shit. So should excess
caffeine be a
Performance enhancing drug. Yes. No, that's a lot to test for
Yeah, you easily test for how much caffeine isn't I actually don't know and it would be completely unprecedented because I think in in in
most
Like professional
Athlete type scenarios you could make the argument that caffeine wouldn't necessarily be a performance enhancer
Strictly speaking whereas in in a land event depending on you know, how late it is
You know how long you've been up and all that kind of stuff. It could have a huge a huge impact
I actually like I don't even know like something like
Lamans
Are they are they allowed to chug energy drinks?
That's super interesting or are they expected to do it naturally
You know what let us let us know
The greatest endurance race has its own brand of energy drink
It is a special drink for drivers and helps them stay focused contains caffeine ginseng extract and vitamin B
But it doesn't actually say whether they're allowed to consume them or not
I assume if they have an official one where they can but but I don't know
Very very interesting thing is eSports events
Organizers limit the drugs of blah blah blah will be super stupid
If you run a cool drug that made you constant a cold drug that made you be cute for being sick
It's a blah blah blah can did blah blah blah blah blah blah. You can't ban caffeine
So there you go. There's also like tolerance levels for caffeine is a huge thing, too
Is it I mean a lot of people are bringing up that lots of eSports teams are sponsored by energy drinks
Oh, yeah, I mean energy drinks and gaming they go together like, you know peas and carrots my friends orange and black
Orange and black. No, I think orange replaced black. So if energy drinks
Oh if energy drinks became gamers and played games, I was doing it because of the LTT colors
So we've got 50% of you saying no, but actually a surprising 30% of you saying yes
Excess caffeine should be considered a performance enhancing or nay hand sing drunk is apparently what I wrote
I could probably use some caffeine
Um, and you can ban things from events that aren't controlled substances
So one of the chat was like you can't ban caffeine from the event. It's not a controlled substance. You totally yeah for sure
You can absolutely it's a sport. You could ban the wrong type of you can ban alcohol
Well, I guess that's technically a controlled substance
But the point is you can ban whatever you want people from wearing a specific type of t-shirt
I'm not yeah
I I went and played badminton at a local lake
Like a country club like it was actually up to the right type of shoes. You didn't mark it before. Um, no
No, the story is better than that. Okay, so no no any badminton center won't let you in the front door with black-soled shoes
Yeah, even if they're non marking. Yeah, no way clear souls or get out. Yeah
Cuz like those mats are I think 10 grand. Mmm each so you run around putting marks on them
Um, so I had never been to one of those types of places like you have you ever do a country
Yeah, like like that style of establishment
For golfing once okay, so I like I didn't get to go inside
Right, exactly specifically stayed outside. So I was allowed inside
We were kind of snuck in so it's kind of a long story
but I know someone who who knows someone who who got
Grandfathered into a membership here, even though the sister club that they were a member of that got them
Grandfathered in is much less expensive
This one is apparently like tens of thousands of dollars to buy your initial membership plus your annual fee like like balling
That would never do. So anyway, I
I came to play badminton on their like
Completely empty and like the floors were amazing
Like there's the there's there's there's like gym floors
Which kind of suck because the grip isn't great and the the impact can be is very heavy
It's kind of harder on your knees. Then there's the rubber floors which have like kind of a padding
Those are the green ones that you've seen and that's actually what they play on professionally and then there's a really good gym floors
So really good gym floors actually had spring to them
Some people don't know this but you can design a gym floor so that it actually has like a suspension system
basically to it and
That's where you get the the cushion that you would normally get with like foam
but you get the you get that but you also get the
Like the smoothness and the the impact of a wooden floor and if it's well finished, it's it's gorgeous
It was great to play on
Anyway, we didn't realize until or our guest or our host who allowed us in didn't realize until we showed up
That he had forgotten to tell us that it's white clothes only
Oh my god
So I was actually in one of the and the funny thing about professional badminton is you go and you look up the greatest
badminton player of all time
Arguably definitely in the world right now and every picture of the guy. He's wearing red and gold for the team China
Um, it's not a thing in professional badminton. This is just a snooty. Here's our house rules thing
So I guess I don't really remember where I was going with this
the point is that you can have whatever rules you want with respect to a tire and substances and
Anything and that's basically it. I've got people bringing up Serena Williams
So even the right sport
Yeah, I mean she does hold a racket and didn't she get wrecked by some dude who is like ranked 200 or something
Yeah, but look come on
And I think that was the you're saying best in the world. This is an open bracket the guys count
Okay, yes, yes you could you could say that
Fun fact about badminton is it's the only Olympic sport where men and women compete on the same field at the same time
Against each other. That's cool. Yeah
interesting
Hey, yeah. Okay. So why don't we move on?
Hmm what do we got here? Let's do it. Let's do a rapid-fire topic. This is interesting. So iOS 8 is at
85% adoption
Google is relatively quiet about
Lollipop over there. So let's go ahead and post. Oh, I posted the wrong one in the Twitch chat
Trash pop. Yeah lollipop, you know, I'm really worried about the Droid Turbo
Because I got lollipop
5.1 like a week and a half ago
Okay, so the odds that I'm gonna get
M&M or marzipan or marshmallow or whatever it is. They're calling it the odds that I'm gonna get that ever I
I consider to be fairly low and I don't know. I think it's some app that I'm using that got an update recently or something
but
Droid turbo, I'm like barely making it through a day right now on lollipop. I only used it for like one day
So maybe it was a really, you know heavy flow day so to speak so I'm at
5.0.2 and this thing like the only reason why I like this phone is one because it's waterproof
Which is cool and two because it just lasts forever, right?
Like I very rarely charge my phone two three times a week cups
And it just survives the whole time. Yeah, so I'm I'm having trouble. But anyway, that's there's there's there's a lot of other issues with lollipop
I absolutely hate
I'm not using Droid Turbo right now. It's s6 active
I hate the way that lollipop piles up your like
Notifications as just little icons instead of just letting you scroll through them who thought it was a good idea
To make one touch wait for an animation and then scroll through your notifications. Yeah, it's like you're using a desk
Who?
Because it feels like you're moving papers on desk because I get a lot of notifications
People are always giving me crap in my phone reviews about like you've got so many like things in your things
I'm like, you know what? I never clear them because there's literally no point it will fill up in like 20 minutes
Oh, I just got 500 Instagram notifications. Okay. Yeah, they still need notifications on because it'll tell you when certain people do something so
Apple has managed to get 85% of their active users on iOS 8
13% are running iOS 7 and a mere 2% are running an earlier version of iOS
I mean part of this is you could probably make the argument that Apple does an okay job of planned obsolescence through degraded
Performance like my iPhone 4 runs way worse than it used to. Oh, there's other reasons why it might run way worse
Definitely the operating system, but there's also definitely other reasons and things have gotten more demanding
We expect more from our mobile devices and the app developers are happy to deliver that to us
And we're just gonna have to upgrade our hardware to keep up because quite frankly even an Android device from you know
Five years ago or like how old of a device do you have to have to be stuck on iOS 6?
that would be like four to five years ago an
Android device from that kind of era is gonna be horrible like absolutely horrible for everything. Yeah, so
Google it looks like their numbers
Android 5 is accounting for a mere 11.6% of devices with 5.1 just
0.8%
with the vast majority so that's
39.2 plus 37.4 still running
um KitKat and jelly bean, it's almost an even split there
That's almost 80% on KitKat and jelly bean. Yeah
So lollipop is a flop for whatever reason and hopefully the next version of Android t-rash
Yeah, I I don't know. I had a lot of people rubbing their Nexus phones in my face when I was
running the Droid turbo on KitKat and
I was just like
Okay
Hashtag long hair don't care. Is that a hashtag?
Alright, let's uh speaking of things that everyone should care about let's move into what is really our big topic of the day
Oh hackers have managed to remotely kill a jeep on the highway original article here is from wired.com
Let's go ahead and pull that up. It's not a very picture heavy
Article here. So there's not a whole lot for me to visually show you guys, but here's the jeep
After its brakes were remotely disabled sending it into a ditch
So we'll give you guys the whole skinny on this. I'll make my way through the very detailed
Summary that I think Nick has been quite hard at work on and would be upset if I didn't somewhat make my way through it
So basically it was a showcase piece done by wired featuring hackers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek
It's a result of some car hacking research that they've done over the last year
It's a zero-day exploit that's targeting jeep Cherokees that give the hacker wireless
Control of the vehicle and it's not full control. For example, the hacker cannot take control over steering
Unless the vehicle is going backwards
Yeah, so if you're going forward the hacker cannot take over your steering, but there's a lot of other stuff
They can do so they're able to send commands to the 2014 jeeps dashboard functions steering brakes and
Transmission through its entertainment system in this case. They were 10 miles away from the vehicle, but the exploit is not
limited by distance
So they were able to mess with air conditioning radio windshield wipers and then they cut the transmission
They can also kill the engine entirely at low speeds
Abruptly engage the brakes or completely disable the brakes
It can also track GPS coordinates measure the speed of the vehicle and drop pins behind it on a map
Tracking where it is going
So this isn't the first time that wired has done a piece with these hackers about car hacking
But it is the first time that the hack could be carried out wirelessly
Which is obviously a much greater concern than if someone
gains
Physical access to your car and you know injects now
That's still freaky because your car's gonna be parked in public parking lots a lot. That's still a super big problem
Yeah, honestly
We'll continue to still be super big problem because we'll be a lot a lot easier than wirelessly hacking a car
So we still have to super pay attention to that but wirelessly hacking a car especially being able to mass do it
Like what if someone turned off all the brakes on every Jeep all at once?
That would be bad
They claimed that they like oh
We didn't think it was that big of a deal. No one's gonna do this, right? We just make cars
We don't have to worry about it
Which is pathetic and I'm sure someone internally told them at some point in time and they were just like what else?
and
There's always Oh God
Mmm beer
This is hilarious. Oh, yeah, that's coming. Ah, but yeah
so there's there's there's problems with this because car companies are notorious after everyone watched Fight Club for
Having their their their calculation where they just try to decide whether or not it's worth recalling something
That's not really gonna work anymore
Because with something like that you can see it progressively have it over time like okay
We had a few accidents here with the accidents there. All right, we'll pull them all back
So we don't have more with this. It's gonna be like, oh, there's an exploit. Oh
Every Jeep is compromised. Yeah, and like to be to be clear. This is not just one
Vehicle so it's this was done through you connect which is hold on
Let me just see I'm gonna I want to get like the wording for all this right because it's kind of a serious topic
So that's the entertainment nav phone management and Wi-Fi hotspot aspect of Chrysler and their sub brand
vehicles and it is estimated that there are as many as
471,000 vehicles on the road with vulnerable vulnerable you connect systems in the US
Now now it's only been fully tested on a Jeep Cherokee
But the hackers believe that they could access any car with a you connect head unit now the big
concern to me about this is
Not that a car got hacked, but it's that the auto makers
Live in such a different world
than the hype then the high technology companies that we generally talk about whether it's your Google's or your apples or your
Microsoft's where they'll see something like this and with exceptions
Treat it like a big deal and and act on it quickly car companies are used to operating on a much longer
Development cycle, you know, we're talking it could be a half a dozen years from the first
You know drawing on a napkin to a car with rubber tires on it that drives on the road
Which probably looks like all the other ones so so we're we're talking like
the best case scenario the vehicle that you're driving today has
Incorporated ideas that are as old as you know, five six or even more years ago. Why?
Like investigating car technology is sometimes really boring. Yeah, because it's like oh they have a seven inch tablet
That's 480p
Yeah, okay and a super grainy camera and you have to use a dial thing to do anything because it's not touchscreen
Yeah, so but but that's just that's just something that we have to understand though
is that these guys work on a very very different cycle whereas
Security guys, you know if you go if you go talk to someone at you know
ESET for example, or you go talk to someone at McAfee. They're gonna be like, uh,
Yeah, you need to be on that stuff like right away or it's over. It's a huge problem. And so Chrysler's statement
Really underlines that difference in attitude to me in a terrifying
Terrifying way the way that the fact that they thought it was okay to address this this way
So they stated that they appreciate
Miller and valisex work, but under no
circumstances does FCA condone or believe it's appropriate to disclose how to
information that would potentially encourage or help enable hackers to gain unauthorized and
unlawful access to vehicle systems
So they don't even understand the concept of white hat at all
They think it's okay to release that statement that they don't even understand
Why it's important for the code to be out there and for people to understand the exploit for it to be closed
They're like, oh we didn't think they were gonna release the codes. We were just like
They wanna someone found it someone else can and will find it if they just want to they just want to you know
Hide in their shell of that people won't do it
So we can just ignore this and if we just don't talk about it, then it will go away
It is not going away
cars are getting more and more intelligent and more connected and as cars get more and more computerized control over
More and more of their features and we're talking self-driving cars in as little as what musk figures five six years. Yeah, I
Mean this becomes this becomes an episode of Doctor Who extremely quickly
Um, I've never watched Doctor Who but I'm gonna nod my head knowingly
Yeah, it's a great it's a great episode the the bad guys take over everyone's cars and drive them into lakes and stuff
Oh, that's good. Basically this happens
So, let me just see if there's anything else that we can that we can really that we can really chat said and then they
Tagged me just wait till Tesla gets hacked
It has to happen eventually very probably anything that can connect to something can be hacked
Like we said that's not the issue here. No, the issue here is their response. Their response is completely wrong and
Just I love Tesla. They're also not invulnerable. Yeah, no one's perfect
No
but instead of acknowledging that no one's perfect and you got to get your act together and
Create an internal task force and publicly talk about the internal task force that you're creating to address this and keep your an eye
On it for the future. I
Don't remember how I started that sentence. So it's hard for me to finish it coherently, but the point is
That's the way to deal with it not to just go well
Hey, you know you guys we don't condone you guys releasing this because now everyone's gonna know about it
Yeah, including you so fix it. That's how you do this
So, yeah that had the hackers had the usual sort of response is like yeah, hey this would be pretty good for a hacker
and
You know we that they think it's they believe that releasing the portion of the code is important since it allows their peers to prove
Their work and holds automakers accountable for the digital security. I mean remember guys
there
White Hat is not about finding an exploit and then releasing it to a bunch of you know
bad dudes
before
Notifying the company who the code belongs to I promise you they contacted that company first
Exactly, Tesla has a $10,000 bounty for any hacks. Apparently just got told by our buddy Techbench TV
So they're actively trying to get people to submit stuff like this so that they can fix it
I didn't even know that that's fantastic. Good job Tesla. That's how you should respond to these things
You should try to welcome these guys with open arms and be like, yes. Thank you for finding this. Here is some money
Here's some money. Here's a big bag of money. Maybe try to work with us on Patreon
work with us on fixing it. Maybe not. I don't know whatever. Thank you. Here's money. Goodbye
There could be more bags of money involved or potentially a job even
Yeah, it's honestly a way that a lot of people get hired. So this is really scary
Um US Senator Markey one of the leads on the new security legislation for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
and Federal Trade Commission
Sent a letter to 20 automakers
So again this this underlines sort of my point about the automakers and how they approach technology
Asking them a series of questions about security practices the answers to it showed quote unquote quote
Excuse me a clear lack of appropriate security measures to protect drivers against hackers who may be able to take control of a vehicle
unquote only seven of
16 respondents said they hired independent security firms to test their vehicles digital security and only two
Said their vehicles had monitoring systems that checked their car internal network networks from malicious digital commands
So the takeaway here is not that Chrysler and Jeep
Are dumb and their cars are bad and super hackable. That's not the point
the point is this is a huge attitude shift that needs to happen in the automotive industry and right now is
Scary to the point where like I'm not I'm not much of a fear-monger
I tend to mostly live my life without the tinfoil hat
but
this could affect automated things are scary and this is why Elon and
Can't remember his name right now dude in the wheelchair super crazy smart does researches time even hot there
We go Stephen Hawking Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking have both been pushing really hard to
Research the potential downsides and research stopping those potential downsides of AI and automation in general
And that's a very smart thing that should be doing and we're not
I
It's like I don't know
Some people I've said this a few times people gawking me a little bit, but it's it's kind of like we're making the nuke again
right with automation and AI and
We're kind of
Not really worrying about the downsides too much again
and
Yeah
All right, so I just dropped a straw poll on you guys
Does this news affect the way you'll shop for a tech-heavy car?
because I'm gonna be honest guys like
It was actually it was actually Ed Edsel who told me about this initially
We were filming something out in the garage and he's shopping for our car right now
And so immediately like the first thing I asked him is does this affect the way? Oh, there's a Tesla outside
I don't know. Wait, what? What are you talking about? There's no TLS. I wouldn't know a TLX from a hole in the wall
I'm not a car guy. I thought that was why you're put I thought it was a Tesla
No, it's just that car has never been here before and it's been here for the last little bit. Oh, okay
Can I help you I think that's his whose heads oh
Did he buy one I don't know
He lied to me anyway in here consistently during work or I was for the last little bit. Oh, okay
Well, the point is I thought it might have been someone else's I don't know
I can't believe I didn't even know that they don't look that similar. I think it is. I don't care
Okay, the point is that Ed Ed was shopping for a car at least and I still be so what I said was okay
Well does this news affect?
You buying a car that is more technology heavy and I also pitched him that you know, I have a lightly used
2003 Honda Civic that's manual everything including if one of the chat is like it's a spy. It's Logan
Including a manual transmission and I've got to say for the first time ever. I felt like my mom
where she kind of has this she has kind of this innate distrust of
social media and
Posting information on the internet the stuff that my generation doesn't really think about the same way that hers does about
Technology and I kind of went yeah
I feel pretty good that there's no camera in my car and there's no and and like the brake pedals
connected to the
brake pedal thing
Nothing connected to the disc thing the disc things connected to the wheel thing and the car just stops like that
interference
I felt pretty good about that for the first time ever and one thing that's a little sketch too
Is something that I don't think any of the articles are talking about right now
Which is the proof of things happening if someone cuts your brake line in real life
Your brake lines cut
Okay, pretty straightforward if someone cuts your brakes digitally and then exits and there's no way to tell that they did that
Then all of a sudden you're liable for mowing down. Oh, look there is a there was a registered. No
Press on the brake and there was a registered full press on the pedal and you ran over a hundred people
You're screwed. Yeah, you're criminally liable in that case. It's like registering a key press
so
This is like some scary stuff. We've actually got 57% of you and this is a tech savvy audience. I think
I think 57% of you saying yes, this affects the way you'll shop for a tech-heavy car
With 22% of you saying turnip and only 20% of you saying no this won't affect the way you shop
Incredible, hey, it would affect the way that I would shop. I wouldn't I wouldn't go with ones that were answering this way
Yeah, I'm not saying necessarily I would go the Tesla because they're drastically way too expensive
But I would not go with any company that was answering in that matter
In related news Fiat issues a software patch after hackers take over
that car so
There you go
There's actually no there's no evidence that the particular model that they were patching is
Is affected in any way, but there you go. I mean, here's another here's another thing where like again the car makers
mentality is just it's
decades behind
You know, you see so many things whether it's your phone or your computer or or you know
Your game console or even your TV, you know TVs traditionally move a lot slower than computers, but even they're caught up
Over-the-air firmware updates over-the-air patching, you know cars don't even have that
So if all of a sudden you have to install, you know security updates for your car every month
Tesla's do but
No one's even no one's even thought of this
they were they were so far behind in their thought process that they built all this networking functionality and and
Literally didn't build in a way for users to just patch it by pressing a button
So, yeah
Wow and then this is also related so Fiat is a sub brand of Chrysler Chrysler to recall
1.4 million vehicles after the remote hijack bug was found. It's a voluntary recall
which is related to the firmware thing that I was saying because the voluntary recall is just a
Flash such a weird
Thing to call it
It's like it's voluntary for one. So voluntary recall is just a little weird. No, they're not even really recalling the car
You're just to come in and get it patched which means they recalled it
You're just so they're like gonna give it back to you. Hey, you can come get a patch. I don't know. Yeah
So the they figure yeah, it's a software update. It's not a voluntary recall. So
affected cars include Dodge Vipers Ram trucks Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees Dodge Durango Chrysler 200 and 300 Dodge Chargers Dodge challengers and
Chrysler owners can enter their VIN at a provided website to check if their vehicle is included in the recall
Yeah, so it's one of the chat
Nail puppy voluntary recall equals we are doing this because we were forced to yeah
So I don't our legal department was like hey, you should probably do this. So we did
I yeah that oh, this is this is great. So more more stupidity
The company is unaware of any injuries related to software exploitation
Nor is it aware of any related complaints warranty claims or accidents?
Independent of the media demonstration someone into it just reminded us. We have to do so instead of Chrysler spokesperson. Oh, thank you for that
All right, not clear. Oh, oh, oh, this is great issues will be discussed more deeply at next month's DEFCON
It's like because you have a month to deal with these kinds of things
Chrysler's statement the software manipulation addressed by this recall required unique and extensive technical knowledge
prolonged physical access to a subject vehicle and extended periods of time to write code as
If that's a barrier at all, it's like it's like they think that tech savvy
Coders
Aren't everywhere
That's really stupid
And so I know it was kind of hard great. Oh, we didn't think we had to do anything great quote from the verge. Um,
It's not clear if the message was about the importance of this was fully received as Chrysler insists
It's only taking this step out of an abundance of caution
I couldn't even
Abundance of caution now. I'm just getting bad. I'm actually like like I'm getting upset
This is what but this is what I'm talking about
this is why I wouldn't purchase from one of those companies if like like this is why I would definitely take this into consideration with
Like I wouldn't necessarily avoid purchasing a high-tech car
I'll just purchase a high-tech car from someone who's probably gonna give a crap about the car once I buy it from them
it's like why why is the why is the ah
Like why did the American automotive industry just collapse
Because they've got their heads completely up their own butts still
Still this is the reaction to a potential to an opportunity
for them to turn this into
awesome PR like hey
We've allocated this many millions of dollars to this bounty program and this and like a quick
And like a quick reaction not we'll discuss it in a month because this patch is an over
abundance of caution
Okay, well I just got some good news we're getting like a sick like
Conference cam from Logitech for our for our boardroom at the new office
It's like an $800 webcam nice essentially with like a bunch of connected features and like balling microphone
hopefully it's good because you know I've been to a fair amount of conference rooms and used a fair amount of those conference camps a
Lot of them are trash
Logitech is so proud of this particular one that they've basically
Discontinued the entire rest of their webcam lineup, and they're just focusing on this one. That's cool. Yeah
So oh right right sponsor spots. I should probably do that oh
I don't think I fix it. Yeah, I don't kid anymore
I don't have one of the kids handy we needed it which I guess is actually a pretty which is a good thing so
What can we say about I fix it other than that they have great tutorials on their website?
It's I fix it calm and then the site is pretty self-explanatory
It's so that you guys can ship your stuff to me, and I'll fix it. It's so that if you're talking in the first person I
Can fix it yes like I can fix my own things. I'm not gonna fix your stuff everyone in the audience can say I
I
Can fix it and it's true because the guides are great the pictures are great the instructions are great and the tools
That you need are available right on the same site, so that's I fix
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So yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, so we want to move on to yet another
massive topic for this week, so
This one original article he actually I forget which article I read on it originally
But here's one from the register this one is just kind of based on a quote from John McAfee the Ashley Madison hack may
De-stabilize society, so if you guys didn't hear about this earlier in the week
there were
37 million some odd people plus that had a pretty
stressful
morning on
Monday this week
I wonder if anyone was like paying really close attention to their spouse to see if they were like hyper stressed out I
I I don't know man um
You know if I if I suspect it already or something like that
I would be I would be following this whole thing pretty darn closely so for those of you who are not
Familiar with Ashley Madison. It's a site that is all about well
I'll start I guess I'll open with their tagline life's short have an affair
So the site is a dating site for married people
And not for married people with each other for married people with other more different married people
To be fair there's some people on the site that are in poly or open relationships
But I think that's not the majority of it
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that people don't freak out in twitch chat and go like well some really if they're okay with it
Yeah, we realize that I just think the majority of them are not so basically the hackers submitted a
Submitted a a demand list that was pretty much look you need to shut down this site
Shut down. I forget what their other sites are called there. They're not as famous
They're not as common, but shut down your other sites or we are going to release
They had not only the user database of the current active users
But Ashley Madison had a service for I think 18 or 19 dollars that supposedly
wiped all of your information from
everywhere
They still had it
so the hack
Retrieved that information as well
So the hackers demand is actually looking like it could cost less for the Toronto based company
Than the lawsuits that could result in I mean, can you even?
Imagine the liability that you're on the hook for if you arguably
Caused a divorce which could arguably in the case of you know
if people are millionaires or multi-millionaires cost millions upon millions of
dollars
Other websites that they owned were
Cougar life and established men. There's other websites as well. Yeah. Oh, those were the ones that they demanded that they shut down
So that this is this is good. I mean there's articles all over the place
So to be clear, I don't I haven't been following it all week. Unfortunately
I really wish I had and I really wish that I sort of had had checked on it before
Before this again, so the 37 million users are worldwide. I think they operate in something like 40 countries. Apparently, it's
If you combine all three of those websites the ones that I just named it's 50 million people not 37
37 is just Ashley Madison. So but the other ones aren't quite as
quite as targeted towards
Well, I guess established men in a lot of cases probably would be although
I don't think it's specifically targeted at having an affair in this case
Anyway, the hackers didn't immediately release all the information
But what they're saying is that they will they're gonna keep pushing it out as the site stays online
So, of course, there's all kinds of so so people are getting out it already
So this is an outed Ashley Madison user talking to talking to the Toronto Sun
So he may be the unluckiest cheater of all time
So just two were outed on an infidelity vlog a blog after a hacker group calling itself
Two people
Yeah, well they they didn't they didn't go full force right away so they leaked two people
Um, so yeah, so they blah blah blah threatened
Oh, so and there's a lot of other stuff stored in the accounts as well
And the scariest thing about this is that it's validated by credit card number like your credit card numbers in there
So you can't just be like someone else signed up with my account
No, it's like it's like a huge deal and like they they apparently have people like documentation of people's sexual fantasies and stuff
Like that like this is a huge
deal so, uh
So there's a couple guys here an exclusive interview. The missus saga man said he looked but never cheated
He says sometimes you're just curious looking for friends. Then it doesn't necessarily appeal to you
Friends, he said he's been a husband for 20 years. He works in the city has a young child
He was clearly shocked and looked panicked while talking about the impact the release of his name has had on his life. Oh
Yeah, so he denied that he wrote anything about liking to give and receive oral sex liking light kinky fun erotic tickling and
Role playing he said he joined the site in 2010 and stayed on for two to three years then used the website's paid
Delete option to have his profile removed for $19
He says I haven't been on the site in a long long time
Adding that he never expected something like a security breach to occur after you pay for a paid
So
There you go paid delete option that literally just didn't do anything pretty much
Um, and then and then here's here's like here's a super here's a super scary thing
Did you know that Ashley Madison is actually the second largest dating site behind match.com?
So there's just just a horrifying number for people who believe in the sanctity of marriage and all of that
Yikes, eh, so this is this there's some great quotes from
From John McAfee, you know former security where maker you might have heard his name once in a while
He hasn't been a part of me for yeah, really long. So this is this is a great quote
He says this hack threatens to destabilize society. Oh, yeah, and I hacked it again myself
It was easy peasy. So since Ashley Madison said that they have you know, they're addressing it
He has apparently been back in but you know, I don't know. I don't know if that's necessarily true
So he said figures it was definitely the work of an individual acting alone
Because whether whether he's saying because of the the motive behind something like this or whether he's saying because of the ease
Because he was said he was able to breach the site again
himself
he also said that oh
It was one of the
Sorry, excuse me. He's already said so the pronouncement follows his earlier judgment that
May's adult friend finder hack was one of the scariest hacks since the existence of computers
Wow, this is these are because there's so much personal information on those sites and so much personal information that like people really don't want people
knowing I think people aren't scared enough about losing money because a lot of times it's like your credit card gets hacked or something you
Can get reimbursed. This isn't a situation where you can be reimbursed if this is released. You don't just change your credit card number
Everything intimate about you is now known publicly
So, yeah, I I don't know man like
If they release the whole list like I
Mean it's one of those people for kind of wanting it to happen. Yeah, I think so because
Hold on. Hold on a second. It would be so much fun to watch the world burn for a little I saw a lot
Well, is it okay? Hold on because I saw a lot of it's fun
I saw a lot of people say well, they deserve it filthy cheaters. Not necessarily saying they deserve
They might and and and and you know what?
I just didn't say either way
You could say karma's a bitch you could say that but the reality of it is this impacts
Potentially an additional
37 million people who might be living perfectly happy lives and is ignorance bliss. I
Don't know maybe and I disagree. I would say hold on
Hold on. I'll let you I'm sure you're gonna I'm sure you're gonna have a lot to say about this and
You know, I would also make the argument that no
No illegal theft of someone else's personal information is justifiable
Yes, so all that karma's a bitch stuff aside
You shouldn't you cannot steal other people's information
It's not right to wrongs do not make her right in this case
So that's why I'm releasing the information would necessarily be the right thing to do because there's also a lot of problems with like
Where it said that guy's information was released in 2010
I wouldn't be surprised if they're not gonna be too caring about join dates on the database that they release and people might just be
Looking for names. So maybe you're in a new relationship and this is an old thing or
Maybe you're reformed. Maybe I know there's the credit card sign-up thing, but maybe your buddy pranked you
But then if he pranked you then like why wasn't the prank revealed?
Who pranks their buddy by creating, you know?
Well, it might have been yeah, but then maybe he didn't bother tell his wife because he's like, oh that was just dumb
There's there's there's ways that you could come across one of these accounts at the same time
kind
Of want to watch the world burn don't necessarily know if the good idea just kind of would want to watch the world burn a little
bit
Like I'm I I am so very
Thankful that I have nothing to worry about here and I don't envy anyone who woke up Monday morning
Who has an Ashley Madison account?
That is like, can you can you imagine the the amount of sick to your stomach?
Because because the thing is is that unless you're one of the couple unlucky people that they're that they're leaking
You know in and that they're trickling out there is still potential and I don't think it's gonna happen for Ashley Madison to just
Cease operations and for the rest of the names to get buried down an internet hole somewhere
They can also wait for them to cease operations and like move everyone on and not have employees anymore and then just be like database dump
Let's do this
Let's play a game. Okay, you haven't really fun. You have an Ashley Madison account. You're married
We're gonna roll a little bit here Wow. Um, all right. What are your other fantasies? Yeah
Involves some Earths
All right, so let's let's talk you hear about the Ashley Madison hack Monday morning
Yeah, uh, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a full scenario. Okay, you have been using Ashley Madison dot-com
actively actively
To cheat on your wife. I'm gonna give you two scenarios. You've been cheating on your wife
I'm gonna give you two scenarios. You've been cheating on your wife. I'm gonna give you two scenarios
To cheat on your wife. I'm gonna give you two scenarios. You've been using it actively currently
Okay, so you you like cheated on her last week. Okay, you've been using Ashley Madison currently
Tell me how you react on Monday morning. What's your damage control?
I don't know if I want to give people good ideas or not knowing what you know about hackers. What's your damage control? It's not even it's not even knowing what you know about hackers because this has nothing to do with it. They have it. They're done. But a lot of lay people wouldn't necessarily know that that means it's basically game over. That it will end up somewhere and it will get leaked somewhere. It's happening all over again. Yes.
So they might not release it. They might not. There's still potential that it actually won't get it. If it is one person, let's say it's a scorned lover, right? Yeah, it probably is. I think that's what the McAfee guy is saying and it probably is. It probably is. Because he's targeting those specific websites. Yes. Yeah. The ones that are all about being married already. So what's your action plan?
I'm a terrible person. I just want to put that out there in person. You have to try to act like you did on every other day. If you buy your wife flowers all of a sudden and start freaking out. She's gonna read this article. She's gonna go, Oh, I wonder why he's being so nice. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's so wonderful. Flowers should have worked. Oh, what's this news article? I don't know why this is my married woman voice, but whatever. You're married to a pretty old woman. Yes. So apparently, um, but yeah, so I don't know.
Either either you go the route of just hidey hole and just act like what do you do? You don't get to hedge your bets here, but I don't cheat. What's your action plan, though? I don't know. So you did. But I have to assume I'm a completely different person. If I if I assumed I was a completely different person. So I was already going the route of cheating this whole time. Yeah, there's no real point in revealing yourself at that point. It's not going to be any better than just having it leaked later on. Right. So I guess you just had your bets and keep going. I go completely the opposite route. You just reveal me.
Yeah. Yeah. I I come clean because I'm not going. Yeah. Because if it comes from you, even if there was external pressure, I think you have a better chance to salvage the situation. Right. But I guess this is where my mind changes a little bit, because in my head, if that's going to happen for me, the person you should probably just end it anyways. What if it's not that simple? What if I throw a kid into your scenario?
Sometimes life's not simple.
I don't want kids. I know that you don't. I'm putting myself in a very weird situation. I like would never do that. Not interested in doing that. Plus don't want kids.
So I have to, like, change to very fundamental things. That's fine. That's fine. It's role playing. You know, you got to be you want to be a good partner here. OK, role playing partner.
If you have kids, I guess the conversation should have to happen.
But then you also have to worry about if that's going to completely fundamentally change your relationship with your partner and then creates a toxic environment for the kid, it might actually be easier for you and the kid to split up.
I don't know. As as a broken home survivor, I can say that both of them have their own challenges and that the toxic relationship between the parents can certainly continue just fine if they're not living in.
No, I would fully expect it to continue. But if you don't have to be in the house with them screaming and fighting every day. Yeah. Is that better? Because you you might grow up and learn normalcy. You might think that this is how this is actually supposed to happen, all that kind of stuff.
So we've got 47 percent of you going with the eat turnips action plan with 34 percent of you playing it cool and hoping it goes away and a mere 19 percent of you going my route and revealing it right away.
Very interesting. I mean, this is this is all just sort of the interesting thing that I think here is the credit card validation.
Because I fully expect a ton of people to sign up on this website with a fake name. Yeah. Like everyone. And if you didn't, you're done. Yeah. But that's the ace up the hat.
If someone control F's for that credit card number. Wow. Yeah. Yes. I hope you changed your credit card or you're I hope you're doing it now. I don't know.
My life is easy. I don't even have the option to cheat on my life. You wouldn't have time. Yeah. Straight up wouldn't have time. There's the time.
There's the fact that she manages my schedule down to the minute. Yeah. Yeah. There's that. She manages all the finances and credit cards anyway.
So you see that payment coming out to be like, wait, what is this from? And it's not Google it and then figure it out. It's not because of like a suspicion on her part, because she straight up knows where I am.
Like she wouldn't even need a GPS tracker on my phone. She knows exactly where I am any time of the day because my life is just really busy.
I usually know where you are. Yeah. I'm a creature of habit. It's like it's Friday night. He's at badminton. Straight up. It's any other time. He's at worker at home. That's it.
But, but, but like, and it's not because she monitors the finances because she suspects anything because she monitors the finances because I am terrible at managing my finance and she's really good.
And sure we have to, we have to, we can't just give you the terrible. She's also very good. Yeah. And like she manages the finances, not just of us personally, but also Linus media group.
So if an unknown charge shows up, she's emailing me about it. Not because she thinks it's for, you know, some adult dating site, but because she just wants to know what it is so she can reconcile the books.
So, so yeah. Oh my God. That makes my life really easy. Wouldn't that be a fun channel? Super fun prank. Oh, Linus left his wallet on his desk. She doesn't watch Wan Show. We should do it. Oh my God. I'm so down.
That would be hilarious. We're kind of terrible people like in every possible way. We'd have to capture the reaction though. I know. I think we could do it.
I think we've got enough clever camera people that we could count on them to, uh, yeah, that could be pretty fun. Just as long as you're the one that scrubs the footage. Scrubs the footage.
Oh yeah. Like I go through, through the reaction. Yeah. Well, you know what? No, I, I know her pretty well. Like I think that, you know, I think that it would be, Oh gee, I don't know. Yeah. Let's give it a definite maybe.
Okay. It starts to think about the downsides now. All right. Yeah. Okay. Um, wow. We actually had a lot of like pretty good topics this week. Um, yeah, we can do a lot of these. Yeah, well it's six o'clock already and I've got some stuff to do after work today.
So, um, Apple stops beta testers from reviewing apps. That's a really good thing because if you're beta testing a new version of iOS, you shouldn't be like leaving reviews on apps about how they crash and are terrible. Um, I'm super not against that.
Um, Oh, there's some interesting, you know what? Some of the stuff we might just have to tackle next week cause YouTube is apparently going to remove free videos if creators don't publish them to the subscription based platform too.
Uh, so there's some actually really good stuff in here, but I think we're done for today. Thank you guys for tuning into the WAN show. I apologize if things got a little bit heavier and less lighthearted than they normally do with the whole Ashley Madison hack thing.
If you're, if you're married and you have an Ashley Madison account. Sorry bro or broette. Good luck buddy guy. What's the female version of bro? It's not CIS. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Must be broette. I just say bro, but is that me being a jerk?
I like, I'll, if I'm, I don't care if I'm talking to a man or a woman, I'll just be like, yeah, no problem man. Like I, yes, it's not guys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean who's ever actually, I actually sound, I feel like I sound sleazy when I say like ladies, ladies.
Like you're right. Like I feel like I'm like trying to project or come onto them. So I just say guys and then it seems fine. Ladies. And you can't say women because that has the whole like, right. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like woman. Someone tell me how to navigate life please. Yeah, really. It would make my, I need a GPS in my car for navigating life. Hack your life.
All right. See you guys again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel.
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