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So high it's not is this
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This is the RGB chair, but I don't you don't even have your RGB on
It's gonna be a great show folks. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be great. So we're gonna be talking to Intel
Slashing the pricing on their ninth gen Skylake X processors
it's funny Intel's having a super super weird week on the one hand they like
Beat their q3 earnings expectations by a significant margin their shares jumped like 8% today
And then on the other side of the coin, they're kind of fighting this
Race to zero battle against AMD on their processor pricing
in other news
TCL unveiled a tri folding phone and as a folding phone fanboy
I can't wait to hear what you think of it. Yeah
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All right, so why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day Intel is
Rumored to be slashing the pricing in half of their 9th gen Skylake X processors
So this is a report from computer-based
DE that claims that Intel is planning to cut pricing of their older 9th gen Skylake processors in half
So let's go ahead and fire up our source here
WCCF tech is reporting on this apparently and I don't have the chart
So I'm just gonna pull up their article that better not data. I mean hard in there
There is honestly this kind of makes sense to me given that they already
We already have a pretty good idea of what pricing of the 10 series is going to be and in order for the 10 series
To make any or in order for them to move their remaining stock of 9 series
Given the much lower pricing of their 10 series
There was no way that they could just leave the pricing where it was. So here we go the 9800 X
So that's the 8 core 16 thread processor that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Now that we have an 8 core chip on the consumer platform is dropping to just 360 euros
560 euros. I mean that's not bad if you can pick up a used motherboard or something
The 9820x so there's your 10 cores dropping from 889 to approximately 520 euros now bear in mind guys that
these prices are not directly comparable dollar to dollar but
You also can't just do a straight currency conversion and go which would be 576 us dollars, by the way
Yeah, uh, oh so that's on the uh, 520 years
yeah, you can't necessarily just do a straight currency conversion because a lot of the time there's regional pricing for these products and there's
Taxes that are included or are not included. Um
so
probably what would end up happening is that
520 euros is going to end up being closer to like
520 dollars as much as that is a
Gigantic fu to european customers in many cases like honestly if I was a phone manufacturer
Or like a graphics card maker or whatever else and I had figured out that the market will bear
a higher overall income for me like if I just charge the same price but like
In great britain pounds or euros
Wouldn't I just send all my allocation there for a product that I can't produce enough of?
uh
Maybe but it just depends if there's enough demand there
The compared to what you're producing I guess that's fair. I mean, I know that there have been cases where
Especially at launch on a highly constrained product like a graphics card for instance
Um where a lot of the time like going back to my days at ncix some new
hot graphics card like the gtx 480
Get it hot. Actually. No one was buying those. Um, so but something people actually wanted like let's say the gtx 580
That was that was a much more significant launch. It'll come out and you
often case it oftentimes don't know how many cards you're getting until
a day or two before the card actually launches so
Like it's it's madness honestly because you you haven't seen how many of these are going to move as a retailer
You don't you don't have any you're not testing them and finding out if they're any good
Uh, you don't even know pricing sometimes so a manufacturer like evga
Their expectation if you want to get any cards at all is you basically just hand them a blank po
Here's a purchase order for however many you can send at whatever price it is
And we'll try our best to sell it. Yeah. So in the case now with these people who have the skylake stuff if they
They bought all these all these
Things they bought all of it for a certain price and then intel is like actually it's half now is intel gonna subsidize
Yes, so the way that that typically works is they would do something called a pos rebate a point-of-sale rebate
So you don't just get a big fat check to write down all the inventory that you have in your warehouse because oh
I don't know. I guess that would just be too sensible
So instead what you get is you generate a sell-through report that you send back to depending on
What tier of reseller you are you might send it back directly to intel and they will send you
They'll send you a check like quarterly or monthly or whatever the case may be based on your sell-through. So
What friggin difference that makes i'm not sure and then as for the inventory that's not
In intel's warehouse intel will just mark it down themselves on anything. They're still holding and then the retailer will either claim it back through intel or
Through a distributor. So if you're a lower tier reseller, you're probably claiming it back through distributor
If you're at the very bottom of the barrel, there's probably no protection for you whatsoever
But if you're a distributor then a lot of the time what'll happen is intel will provide them with what's called a sell-through rebate
Which is very very similar and as they sell through to the retailer at that lower bar
As they sell through to the retailer at that lower price they will apply for their rebate back to intel
So does the time that it takes for you to get your money increase the farther from intel you are
Not necessarily as long as you've got a direct relationship
So the thing is intel doesn't sell directly to any retailers as far as i'm aware
Even if you're a new egg, my understanding is that you still buy through a dnh or cynics asi
Ingram micro one of one of those kinds of companies. Um, and that is so that at least this is my understanding intel
From a logistics standpoint doesn't have to be shipping directly to too many different locations now
Dell to my knowledge does get direct shipments from intel, but that's different that's on the oem side of the business
Um, so I forget what your question was you answered it. Okay, cool
Cool so the other rumor is that this is going to extend beyond just skylake that makes sense
Um, I guess we haven't really talked through some of the other price drops
So 9980 xe is dropping back down to what it should have been in the first place. So
It's around two thousand us dollars. It's dropping all the way down to 950 euro, which
Used to be what an extreme edition costs until intel was like ha ha
Amd will never catch up
Hahaha
and then charged two thousand dollars for their top end gaming chip and then
one generation later
Okay, it's grand now turns out
Turns out we uh can sell it for a thousand dollars. Uh, that was just you know, what the uh,
There's a glitch in the system
I just don't get it. Um
Sounds like you get it. Yeah, this is this is a very unusual move for them
It's it's more typical for them to just leave
old processors to trickle out at the rate that they do
um or
rather than lowering the msrp do small sell-through rebates or
Uh, and this is even more common than that do bundle rebates
So the thing is intel has a bunch of chips to move but their partners also have not just
Motherboards because you got to remember the way that someone like an msi or sus or a gigabyte
Stocks motherboards is not necessarily as completed units inside boxes
They stock motherboard pieces. So gigabyte
Might have let's say
35,000, you know motherboards in stock, but they might have another 150,000
Chipsets for the motherboards that they would make to go with these cpus
So intel has to support a variety of different partners as they're moving an old product out of their inventory
So they've got to support the retailers with the aforementioned pos or pos rebates
They've got to support their distributors with their sell-through rebates
They've got to support the oems in whatever way they do those I suspect they get really deep discounts
So that they can blow out old systems in much the same way and then they've got to support the uh
The guys who make the supporting pieces because it's not going to do you any good to provide a pos rebate on this processor
If no motherboard exists for anyone to plug it into who would buy it
So they're going to go out and they're going to say okay guys, uh, you know, how many chipsets do you have in stock?
We're going to eol this at such and such a time
Um, okay. Yeah, we can provide you with and you'd be you'd be surprised how laughable
The discounts that get provided a lot of the time are like we'll provide you with a two dollar and eighty cent
You know sell-through rebate, but then if there's also a self rebate on the cpu
Well, then the retailer takes that board and that cpu and okay
I've got i've got three okay two set 280 was probably a little low but like i've got three or four dollars on this motherboard
And so intel might kick in some the motherboard vendor might kick in some just to get these moving
I've got another five bucks or ten bucks on the cpu
on the cpu if I take five bucks out of my margin because my handling costs for
Two items that i'm shipping out the door at once versus one item and one item
Are actually much less than double or are about half. They're a little over half
so if I kick in a couple dollars of my
My margin in my handling cost. Okay now we're working with something now we can do
Okay, buy these together and get 20 bucks off or buy these together and get um, you know
A free game or whatever the case may be so you can get really creative with the way that you can leverage these discounts
To push stuff out and then typically you just don't discount the new stuff at all. So
Naturally for the you know, let's face it five to eight percent
Performance improvement generation over generation that we've been dealing with over the last. I mean not the last couple years
yay, amd competition, but before that you end up with naturally about a five to
10 difference in price, uh, or maybe even a little bit more but then typically the new platform comes with some new features like
Uh, you know more high speed usb ports more sata ports or whatever it is that the kids care about for this particular generation
So intel doesn't normally slash prices on older not like this like that not like that
So are they only doing it now because the goalposts are moving so fast. Absolutely. I think with the competition
so they're doing it because amd is forcing them to completely rethink their pricing for 10th gen and then
And then, uh, you can feel free to join us whatever you want luke
um because because so they're so they're completely rethinking their pricing stack for 10th gen because that just ain't gonna fly
With amd putting pressure on them the way that they are and now well that traditional strategy of having these priced, you know
Five or ten percent lower than the new one. Well, that ain't gonna work with ten dollar discounts
So you're gonna have to go at it quite a bit harder
Quite a bit harder. Um, so yeah, their hand has absolutely been forced and I for one welcome our new amd overlord
So do you think that the rumors that this is going to affect more than just this?
Just sky like or you think that's pretty credible
They're gonna smash prices on a lot
I I don't know. The thing is on the on the mainstream platform. Shoot. I forget I forget
What are we on like coffee lake refresh at this point? I
I I can't remember what kind of lake we're on right now. I'm sorry. Pardon me, but they're uh, they're 9th gen desktop
consumer platform chips
They're not as far out to lunch compared to amd's offerings
Oh, wow. Okay. I wanted to just see you later
Then I smashed the light very
Very awkward. Yeah, and wait don't put it back and the chair's like plugged into the wall because it's rgb
Absolutely brilliant ladies and gentlemen that james tribe everyone
I noticed you were missing your product placement. So I thought what is this for? It's it's your product placement my product placement. Yeah
What is what is this?
Do you have any context for this? Is that not a topic this week?
Did that not make it in the doc rtx 2070 super?
Did you not hear about that? Oh, we're gonna have to talk about it. There's an additional topic today guys
Okay, why don't we jump right into it? Yeah, I i'm so sorry. I have not
Heard about you've been a little bit under a rock today
Is this today?
Was it yesterday? Yeah, it's kind of like
All right. It's a big nothing burger. All right. All right. All right. Yeah, we talk about this kind of stuff
I thought the big news from this week. We do hold on a second because
Because because I make money. I thought the big news this week was that the uh,
The the swacket is back in stock. Oh dang
Oh dang
Oh dang, did you get one of these? No a swagger. Is it way at the bottom?
Yes, I did
I take that back
Oh it is it's way at the bottom of the page, too
Oh, well, it is on here. Oh, I might not have refreshed it. Yeah, you need to refresh the swacket is back
Look, it's a sweater. It's a jacket. It is perfect for fall and it has orange accents
It's the opposite
It is kind of getting to the temperature where I should probably pull it back out
I actually wear it every morning when I drop the kids off at school and stuff because it's like
Perfect when I first got it. It was still a little summery. So it was like a little too not great summer wear
Yeah, it's not great summer, but now it's kind of getting to the yeah. Yeah, it's kind of the opposite of uh, the stealth hoodie
It's pretty it's pretty flashy. It's got reflective stripes on the front and the back
Uh, it's got it's not obnoxious. I don't think it's super it's flashy, but it's not obnoxious
It's it's an important, you know important. All right, so that was an obnoxious interruption there for me pimping the merch
Why don't you go ahead and move us on to our next topic here?
Oh, yeah, a bunch of sides of the t-shirts are back in stock. I think everything but constellation
Is that right and tech linked uh speaking of constellation? Okay, you're gonna love this is constellation still your favorite design
Uh of the shirts, yeah
It's definitely up there. Okay. Yeah
We are experimenting
Hold on. No, I need your full and undivided attention for this. Okay. Okay. We are experimenting with glow-in-the-dark ink
for constellation
so the constellations
Would actually glow like the mountain range because there's a mountain range, right? I don't think we'd have the mountain glow
Yeah, so that would stay I yeah, just that's pretty sick. Actually. Okay, we have no idea
If so, so our printer actually did a test one for me and i'm supposed to wear it and wash it
And make sure that it holds up. Okay, because we have no idea if the ink is like decent quality
So guys, this is not a guarantee at all
And in fact if you if you wanted a glow-in-the-dark constellation shirt, honestly
It would probably be more time effective to just order a constellation shirt and then get a clue
There's not that many stars
But it's something that I I just I saw as an idea and I was like, holy crap, that would be amazing
So our printer is experimenting with it. We're gonna try and do it
Pimp in the elemental. Yeah, that design is dead
All right
So small still there you go. So like yeah, tell me tell me about
Okay, so there was a reddit thread. Yeah, uh posted by a random new account with one post talking about how
Youtubers are getting paid by companies for things that they're not disclosing this happens every once in a minute
The main thing they're pointing at was boxes in the background
Being a paid product placement spot
Um, i'm actually kind of surprised. I don't think ltt came. No that has no traction whatsoever. No
Uh, so I have the tech power-up article, which is where this kind of got a little gnarly
Um, but i'm surprised line of detectives didn't come up because of the old wan show set
What did we have on the old one? I thought oh
Set was just products
The whole thing. I love how we dodged this completely. That was that was so unprofessionally
Done, right? No one's gonna no one would believe we got paid to do that
Just like slowly fell over over a year and just no one fixed it
Well, no that was because they weren't paying their bills on time
Got jenga from the pile when someone at the bottom of the pile didn't pay the bill. Well everyone on top just fell
Yeah, so we're trying to make them pressure each other. That's right
We were trying to make sure that they were keeping holding each other accountable. Yeah accountable to pay us our money
Accountable to pay us our money. Yeah for wan show
No, we'll do that later yeah, yeah, so I actually don't know
Uh how tweakdown presented this and they might have presented this just fine. Okay. Well sure what the hey
Let's let's uh view some ads and also maybe there'll be an article by going on tweaktown.com
This is not as bad as some review sites that we have visited nvidia and youtube
Shenanigans shenanigans. Wow
The mods at slash nvidia and slash AMD refused to let this be discussed openly
I'm, not sure why exactly as no reason was giving I hope we can foster a fair conversation here. Thank you
I registered a new reddit account today so I could post this with anonymity. I am scared that nvidia will punish me
If I talked about this under my youtube channel, what are you talking about?
Oh, hey, I did get mentioned
Not ltt big my channel is pretty big. I think this is something the community needs to know
I'm a youtuber that makes video reviews on computer hardware
blah blah blah blah blah and I work okay nvidia has been pushing us youtubers for nvidia products I work with
So you could find someone who works with asrock because there's not that many people that do it and hey
I did who this is. I did a video a couple weeks ago with asrock stuff in it. Oh, wow
Yeah, no, they have a they have an AMD board. How long was the time before that?
Or am I just totally off my rocker no
Asrock rack which asrock rack actually gets upset when you call them asrock even though they're just the server division of asrock
Okay. Okay. Anyway asrock rack we work with from time to time because they do really cool itx
Okay server boards with like big sockets. I just very rarely see big sockets, you know
so
thick sockets
Uh, okay, so back robust sockets
Uh nvidia has been pushing us youtubers for nvidia products to have a presence in AMD and intel review videos that we put up
I have verified this is happening with a lot of channels
Nobody wants to talk about it publicly because they're afraid of nvidia cutting them off from hardware and drivers
Or they're afraid they will lose nvidia sponsorship and advertising money
Yes, nvidia pays a lot of youtube channels for exposure
This started when the first vega 7 cards were coming out and now nvidia particularly nvpr names removed
Both press relations from employees are pushing this very hard since rx 5700 cards were released
I started really wanted youtubers to rehash
To distract what we have nvidia pushed comparing AMD with AMD and keeping their cards out of the mix for benchmarks
Nvidia is also asking youtubers to do other things nvidia asked me and others to make sure we always had nvidia branding
nvidia branding visible in AMD and intel coverage videos
What are you even talking about yeah, so this is awesome and then
I think
I I don't know how much traction this got but it's some crazy dude on reddit. So whatever. Um
What got interesting
Is that I don't know what tweak town wrote about it. Sorry, I didn't read it. Um, but tech power up picked it up
Yeah tech power up wrote an entire article going
Not like oh, hey, because I saw on the tweak down thing. It was like a conspiracy whatever
Yeah, and he's just reporting on a reddit thread that maybe blew up a little bit and that's fine
Tech power up was like this happened nvidia is paying people
Blah blah blah blah. Here's an example and they put it's been changed now now. It's just the youtube not happy face here
Let me see if I can share your screen
But it used to be a picture of steve from gamers nexus
Standing on a set with hardware in the background and they're like here is an example of it happening
I can tell you for a fact that steve would disclose
any sponsorship
um
Okay, so you know what?
I'm gonna help y'all out. Okay, so you want to talk about tech reviewers that uh cover this kind of this kind of stuff, right?
What the what the deuce is, uh, oh, uh, hold on a second. Okay. I think this is the right number
uh
There's more to this story, but i'm trying to get one moment, please
I just have to take I have to place a quick phone call if you'll excuse me, please
Please
I said, excuse me
I just don't just don't show the number. I'm not i'm not going to show the number. I'm not an idiot. I mean
The amount of things that get leaked that time when we leaked our payroll
Oh god, okay
Okay, oh
Conspiracy confirmed paul is not picking up. He doesn't want to talk about it. All right
Well, no, maybe he's just not around right now. It's fine. I'll try i'll try someone else. I'll try someone else. It's a nice try
Okay. All right. Um, you should just what if you just call steve?
Uh, no, he has a video up on it. I'll try i'll try steve. I'll try steve. Okay
Just it says stay on the line while your call is being completed. I'm trying i'm trying j
While you're calling if you want to throw my screen up. Yeah, for sure for sure. Go ahead and yeah
So steve addressed this on his twitter. I also like that. Uh,
Our own anthony young wait
Jay is not picking up either. It's they've all fled town. They're leaving the country
Wow
Okay, let's try kyle. Okay
Actually, you know what? No screw that guy. Let's try lyle
Go ahead. Sorry, so you can see on on his twitter he's addressing it directly. Um
I demanded immediate removal of his likeness from the content and a statement apologizing which is
Like more than fair
Uh, he also followed up saying that they they did just that which was which I thought was also more than fair
Uh, and then they posted their own video which was hilarious and kind of fun to watch
Uh that is here and I recommend even lyle isn't picking up and I thought he had integrity. Maybe maybe lyle is uh
Is uh trapped somewhere?
Maybe my bat phone is just not working. I can't get in touch with anybody. I can't I don't want to show this
Maybe no one wants to talk to me says ed i'm gonna play this thing. Well, then why are you standing there?
You seem like you want to talk to me. I have to
What's up, can you look at your teams? Oh look at my team. Oh wait. Oh, hold on kyle's calling back. No, i'm sorry
I can't look at my teams right now
sir
Yeah, so, um
So, um, I think you really owe the community, uh an explanation sir
Okay, are you live streaming right now also also, um, sorry I seem to have mis-dialed I had really wanted to talk to lyle
Oh, well, he's not here right now. Okay. No problem. No problem. I'll settle for kyle. So
How much money is nvidia paying you for the product placement of their boxes in the back of your videos, sir?
Oh
Jesus christ, are you working for mb again?
Wait, hold on a second. Have you not heard about this either?
No, oh, oh excellent
Oh excellent. Okay. So here you go guys giant conspiracy theory
Tech
Tech youtubers are getting paid by nvidia to put nvidia branding in like randomly in the backs of their videos
But they don't know about it
Wait, wait, can you tell me more and where where do I sign up?
That sounds awesome
It's about time they started an initiative like that. I've been waiting for this shit super easy
Just put a box in the back and just automatically make money. I know right
Thanks, kyle. I had just wanted to confirm that you were that you were uh
Also not getting checks and so I don't have to feel bad about not getting my checks in the mail for having my nvidia box
Here on the wan show today. I really appreciate it. Um, oh
Since i've got you on the line. Should we tease that upcoming collab?
Yeah, that'd be awesome. Oh hold on here. Let me uh, switch back to the thing
So we're actually doing something with kyle. Uh, this is the first you're hearing about it. I think luke
All right, so I saw a picture that led me to believe something might be going on. But okay, so um
It's not actually going to be me or kyle that are featured prominently in the video
Even though it's a collab between linus tech tips and bitwit
Which is what he calls his channel for whatever reason so instead instead it's going to be a build-off
between wifey sauce
And my wife oh man except I think we had talked about it and the stipulation was
The only resources they can each use for how to build a pc are their own husband's videos videos
Videos
Do you do you even have it how to build a pc guide
Maybe not a real new one. I could rectify that in the next month
Oh, wow, so we can make updated versions from now until the shoot. Oh you guys haven't shot it yet
Well, I mean we can't just we can't I mean you can't have a stipulation that we can't create video content
I mean you should make a video called to avant
And just have it be like the guide for her. I bet you would actually do really well probably
How to build this pc
Okay, that's definitely cheating
All right, anyway, so there you go guys you heard it here first, thanks kyle talk to you later. All right. See you guys. Bye
All right, so, uh confirmed kyle is also um not getting paid, uh, oh wait, he's just calling everyone
He's answering his team saying now, so yeah, I I would watch watch go watch gamers nexus's video
Um because he's great. They're great. And that is like a positive interaction for this do not go to tech power-ups article
Don't do that. Just watch the coverage of it done by youtubers because that's the real kick in the kick in the nanners
Hey, how could you have been so dishonest with me? Mr. Burke?
Guys, this is guys. This is steven burke from gamers nexus here and um
You told you told me wait, I have a special guest too wait
Say hi. Hello. Let's do some server stuff. Hi, wendell. Hey, wendell
Oh sick, dude
Okay, so both of you
Look both of you since I have you on the line. How can you have been so dishonest with me?
I thought you told me
That we were going to just if we got caught we were going to admit that we were going to just
We're going to admit the nvidia sponsorship scandal
And here you got here you are steve doubling down on that. They're not paying you
Why can't you just be honest with yourself and the community?
Well, I was kind of hoping you would admit it first and we would just run you over with the bus
That was my plan
Yeah, but now you've gone and you've raised the profile of this issue, you know now you're putting me
You're putting me in a very difficult position here. Don't draw luke into this. He works for float plane now. He has
Don't let this sully his good name
I even I even made sure that we had our nvidia product placement for the show today
um
And and now i'm the one getting in trouble
Oh boy
I can't see what what what sort of lovecraft in order that you've done, but i'm sure it's amazing
All right, so, um, you know what
I think there is something good that can come out of all of this though
And that's that look if nvidia is going to take a bunch of pr flack and we're going to take a bunch of flack
from the community over these sponsorship dollars then
Hey, at least we can use it as leverage to get them to finally actually spend some money with youtubers
And uh and throw some sponsors
I like I like how some of the people that are complaining about this also have boxes in the background
Do you think you can continue to check for that because obviously that's how that works
Like I got in the box. It's worth a check
It's like I need to be let's save it
No, you put the boxes in the background first and then you build them later
Build them later
All right, thanks I was just I I felt like we owed it to our wan show audience we've been being quite um
Quite tongue in cheek throughout this segment
um, but I felt like we owed it to our wan show audience to utilize our
youtuber tech youtuber connections to demonstrate
that what whoever this article is talking about and I have
no idea who it could possibly be but supposedly it's big tech a real person like I
I have conspiracy theories as well, but I don't think it's a youtuber
Oh, there's no way it's a youtuber because supposedly they know other tech youtubers and like I I don't think i'm connected
Directly with everyone but my cell phone book is pretty full of tech youtubers and i'm pretty damn sure
I'm sure that all of them have as much trouble extracting money from nvidia for sponsorship as I do
so
Yeah, and uh linus on a separate note, yeah, we we just got finished, uh placing you
In a featured video at wendell, uh, we didn't require you here. We used the ai to recreate you really
Yeah, it's really advanced did you guys deep fake me
Uh, it's not quite that good
Is it a photo is it a photo is it a bad photoshop job of like one of our thump fails
It's not a bad photoshop job
But it is a photoshop job, but uh, we got some ltt merch in there for you so you'll have the product placement there
So does that mean you get checks?
Yeah, when do I get the check?
Yeah, it's your hoodie
I'll send you the check for the hoodie when you send me the check for the mod mats
All right deal
And given given given how much bigger my channel is I think you owe me a much bigger check
Yeah, you know you're breaking up
Sorry, sorry, what's that steve? Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Bye. Bye guys
So, yeah, that's the thing, uh go watch gamers nexus's video on it and uh
Go watch wendell's videos that are completely unrelated because he's great. Yeah
So just to be very clear
We actually have worked with nvidia a handful of times in the last couple of years you guys also worked them recently
Yeah, so we did a video with them. Uh, I think about a year a year and a half ago
Uh holiday 20 it was either holiday 2017 or 2018. Um talking about 4k gaming and how
Bottom line is nvidia's top tier card is the only way to game at 4k, which it was
Uh, we did something with them. Um in the interim. Was there anything in between that sponsored? Oh, yeah
Yes, it was. Yep. Sure. Yep. Yep. Yep
And then we did uh, we did a g-sync piece with them about six months ago
And then more recently we did the big thing that we talked about yesterday
the collab with shroud looking at high refresh rate versus low refresh rate gaming and
How much of a difference it actually makes to your skills?
So that's the three projects that we've done with nvidia in like the last three or four years
Um, we definitely don't get a check for luke to have a silly box on the wan show and even during the launch of the
What was it was it rtx titan when we had the card like that
We were able to flash on the show but then put away was that rtx titan or something?
Yeah, we didn't get paid for that
We just did it because we thought it was hilarious to like flash it with no other information
and then and then we actually didn't even end up doing a review of that card because we were so annoyed with the way that
They handled the embargo
So like to imagine for a second that nvidia paid us money to like flash something for literally three seconds
And then have an angry call with them afterwards about their bad embargo lift policy. Didn't you guys skip launch events for a bit?
We still do still do. Yeah, we we don't do that. Definitely getting paid though
Yeah, definitely getting paid to not attend events for sure
100 I mean to be clear like there are people at nvidia that we have
Great working relationships with and there are people at nvidia that we don't have great working relationships with I think what a lot of people
Was super fun. I think what a lot of people don't understand is that these companies actually work really hard to put up one face
You know one brand
But behind that is hundreds and in some cases thousands of people all of whom have different agendas different ideas different ambitions
and uh different
amounts of moral fiber in some cases
So just because something scummy happens doesn't necessarily mean that everyone was on board
And by the same token just because something good happens doesn't mean that everyone was on board. Yeah, um in this case
This is I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt a complete nothing burger
Just scum and villainry and we can we can all ignore it. Um, nick, what can I do for you, sir?
Well first my question about that whole thing is like they're alleging that nvidia is paying reviewers or whatever
How does that work for nvidia?
They don't just go light piles of money on fire
Well, the thing is a lot of people think that nvidia spends a lot of money on marketing
Right, but i'm saying yeah, even if they spent a lot of money on marketing. Why would they probably do that show their boxes?
A lot of people who um don't really understand how marketing works think that
um, like product placement is like truth serum and just if it's there like
80 of the audience is going to buy it. Yeah, and and like that wouldn't be effective
That would be a total waste of money. Um, and the other thing too is that a lot of um, like a lot of people think
That the way that money is flowing and changing hands is much more rapid and more fluid and less
You know contract and lawyer bound than it actually is and so i'll see people. Um
Coming out and saying yeah for sure this video that ltt did is undisclosed sponsored video because
You know, i've seen a lot of shops in my day and I can tell by the pixels or whatever like um
When the reality of it is like that video is either only tangently about the thing that they're alleging
sponsored the video or
um includes a ton of information or like
Uh, you know a guide for how to use it improperly or whatever that no brand we've ever worked with
Would allow in a sponsored video. It just doesn't work that way. Honestly
I feel like I owe the community another honest answers video honest answers changed
How do sponsored videos work? Oh interesting. Yeah, like really how did they work?
Like maybe we could find a company that you could also exist anymore so we could show the contract for example
Like if we found someone who doesn't exist like uh, it's just like uh
Like doppler doppler labs or something. You'd have to be careful if they were bought out
They weren't bought they're just dead. But yeah, okay, we can we'll talk about it offline
But we could figure out just how much we can tell you guys and go as deep as we can into it
I think it's something that people don't understand and they think they understand. I also think a
honest answers
Honest answers like follow up or like, uh, re-up or something. Yeah on how do we make money? It could be pretty cool
I thought about doing that and I was actually looking at that the other day and what I realized is that
While the mix like the percentages have shifted around a little bit isn't a lot of like new there's there are new ways
That we make money, but it's uh, it's kind of money to calculate right now
So the merch side of the business does make money now, but like the way that you calculate that is really complicated
You can't just say okay. Well, however much you brought in
um
So so however much revenue you brought in minus the cost because a lot of the time you'll have po's cut and checks cashed
For stuff that won't hit your warehouse for another two months, right?
Um, so how does that work into the calculation then you might have like a launch of a line of products?
I don't think we've done that yet
But you might eventually have a launch of a line of products and you might hold them for a while before you launch them
so the payment is going out for that way before you're getting any income and then you're getting tons of income when maybe there's
no out and
Yeah, so it's it's a little bit difficult to calculate like how do we clear I know nothing about it
How do we subtract our inventory liability from the profit that we've made and the payroll that we pay?
Right, but that is not you know, it's it's not on quite the same balance sheet. So i'm not quite sure how to do that
Um, also some of the some of the main ways that we discussed last time really haven't changed that much
Yeah, so a big part of the reason that I did that video was to just go. Okay. Look guys
This cloak and actually it's funny. It's very related to what we're talking about right now this cloak and dagger
Um, you know under the table payment system that you guys seem to think runs linus media group
isn't in fact, the vast majority of our income comes from other sources like amazon affiliate google adsense, um,
At the time vessel was a big source of revenue now float plane. Hooray
Uh, so from our community directly now it's merch which is another form of community sponsorship
Uh, yeah, you can take oh my god
No, that's fine we'll make luke put it back yeah, I just I know where it was so just
Yeah here, but I don't want to forget it. No, no, no, I will forget it there for sure here. Just yeah, it's empty
Yeah
I just I'll just you can just go over here. That's fine
I just don't want to I want to make sure I put it back
Yeah
A big part of the reason that I I had wanted to do that so much was because I was trying to prove a point
But like look if i'm just completely transparent will you guys finally?
Stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense if I just tell you the real story and the reality of it is that no it didn't
in fact change
um what a lot of people
Fought about me and about really no
Yeah, it didn't seem to have much of an impact the people who trusted us already. I think trusted us right which is great
Yeah, but the people who were sure that we're lying about it
We're just thought we were lying more
We made up an even more elaborate line something that I like is when you have those kind of situations
Where you have like community members and there's some that are on your side and there's some that are not on your side
Even if it doesn't sway the battle
Giving the people that are on your side
An easier job
Right is often nice
So like even if it didn't necessarily help the noise
If you gave them that video at least they can go
Well if I'm gonna white knight I might as well have some great material to white knight with sure. Yeah fair enough
Someone's like he's a shill just copy paste the video and point at it with a little up arrow and then next post whatever
It's nice to give them those things
And we appreciate can I help you with something nick your trees have been planted my trees have been planted which ones?
I think it's twitter. Oh, right. Oh, okay
All right, speaking of uh, speaking of money money
Uh, let's go ahead and oh, man. I'm not signed into twitter. Are you signed into twitter on that machine? Yes. Oh, really?
Yes. Wow. Okay. Also, it doesn't matter that i'm not
Okay, also it doesn't matter that i'm not looking at it right now
So today's video was uh was a big collab, um youtube wide pretty much so many creators took part in this
It's a big uh tree planting push that was started by mr. Beast to celebrate 20 million subscribers
And we agreed that if our community raised ten thousand dollars we would match it
And we have no idea if our community raised ten thousand dollars
But we just did it anyway because cool. It seems like a thing that is good to do. Is there some way to even know?
I don't think so
One dollar plants a tree. Oh, that's exciting. That's fun. Yeah
So I think it's up to I can't tell how the counters are related to each other
So it says that we've raised about 1.5 million dollars over on teamtrees.org
So i'm just gonna I guess go there
Team. Oh here. I'll just share your screen and then youtube shows I think like a quarter or half a million dollars
I haven't looked at it recently. So i'm not sure if those are together or separate
but either way a lot of freaking trees are going to be planted by the arbor foundation and uh,
Yeah, that's that's that's a good thing. Wow. That's really cool. Yeah
That's really cool. Yeah. Oh, look at these guys donating nine more than ten thousand so they get higher on the list
Oh
Whatever whatever whatever it's all good
Nifty tactics. Yep
You know what if i'd thought of it i'd have done it. Yeah
There you go
Okay, um
Next topic
I don't know ad spots. How far in are we ad spots? Oh, yeah, we should probably talk our sponsors speaking of getting paid by companies to
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Just pardon me for a second. I'm just saving no worries
shroud one of twitch's biggest stars and a person that ltt recently did a collab with um, and
In my opinion potentially the greatest fbs player of all time has moved from twitch to mixer along with ninja
Very interesting. He has 6.5 million followers on twitch. He has now gathered
385 000 on mixer that number will no doubt continue to go up. This was and it's probably higher than I know I know I know
It's probably higher than now than it was when this was written
He follows ninja like I mentioned one of twitch's, uh, one of previously twitch's most followed streamers in jumping ship
Dr. Disrespect subsequently claimed
That he was approached by mixer first and it turned it down because mixer has lower user engagement
And less revenue opportunities. He claims he made more than both shroud and ninja
But it's also dr. Disrespect. Yeah
He's kind of I don't know if that was in character or not
It's really hard to tell with that dude. Well, no because usually he goes no costume and stuff
When he goes no costume he's usually out of character and then I think it's
I don't know. Okay. I don't really watch twitch or mixer
Does this bode well for mixer's future or will this mixer exodus peter out? Let's discuss
I mean you stream on twitch. Yeah, why stream on twitch instead of mixer?
For me right now. I don't care. I I say constantly that i'm a terrible streamer. Um,
I don't try to grow my audience. Uh, the amount of effort that I put into my stream outside of literally sitting in the chair
Is as minimal as possible there are stream elements on my stream that haven't worked in like two years and I don't care
So all it really is for me bad stream. Yeah. Yeah, and that's okay
Because all I really want to do is hang out with most of the people that have been shown up for like
Five six years seven years. So I'm not gonna say that I'm a terrible streamer
I mean I've been on it for like five six years seven years
Um, and if new people show up cool if you want to hang out cool, but outside of that
Don't care I have a job. I don't want that to be my job specifically. I don't want it to get too big etc
So if I move to mixer, I would need to make sure they all came with me
And there's I mean the thing is it's not a money thing for me
so if mixer was like here's a bunch of money i'm like well
Unless it's like really a bunch of money but then why would they care about my crappy stream?
I mean, we look at the disparity
between the six and a half million followers on Twitch
and the 300,000 to 400,000.
You know how sub-growth works.
I do know how sub-growth works.
Well, that's what I'm trying to say,
is if we were to get,
like let's say Microsoft created MixTube or something,
a competitor to YouTube,
and they were to offer us a gigantic bag of money,
which I haven't asked Mike.
I don't have the kind of relationship with him
where I could be like,
hey, so how much do we pay?
Like we're not tight like that or anything.
And if we were, it would be with the understanding
that I'm not gonna talk about it on the WAN Show.
So I have no idea how much the bag of money
would have had to have been.
I do have to assume that there would be a bag of money
because I can tell you guys in no uncertain terms,
there is no chance that we would be going over to MixTube
unless we were being offered a lucrative enough deal
that not only were we getting any shortfall
that we were gonna be experiencing
over the long period of time,
it's taken 10 years to get Linus Tech Tips to where it is.
So I am expecting the shortfall that I'm gonna experience
over that entire period of time to be made up,
plus I would be asking for a big lump sum in cash.
And the reason for that
is that there is a huge opportunity cost to,
how do I put this?
To fading your star.
Because a big part of the way that influencers make money
is not just through views or subscribers,
it's through the perception that they are a big star.
So for someone like a shroud or a ninja
or a Dr. Disrespect or whoever the case may be,
being one of the biggest stars in a particular space
is something that there's a value
to having a number attached to.
And when you lose that number,
you potentially make yourself less attractive
to agencies that just quite frankly
have no idea what they're doing.
Like we worked with an agency a little while ago
that mostly had experience working with Instagram influencers
and it was fascinating.
You would think the rules are all basically the same.
Make sure that you put us up in a hotel
that's not infested with cockroaches,
make sure that the bus leaves on time
to whatever event we're supposed to attend
and hey, we need some time with the product
or the thing, whatever it is, so that we can cover it.
But they just had no idea how to engage with us.
And all the transportation stuff
and everything was sort of fine,
but the schedule for the event
was completely designed around Instagrammers.
And the structure of the event
was designed around Instagrammers.
So there's like this big unveiling and show
and song and dance thing, literally a song and dance,
that went on and I was like, okay, where's my hands on time?
It's because they want stories, I guess.
I don't know anything about Instagram.
That's right, exactly.
Because most of the people that were there,
and it was a huge event,
like 100, 200 different influencers.
I hate that word, but I have to use it
because once a word takes root, that's it.
That's the word for it.
We gotta make the rules here.
So they must have had 100, 200 influencers there.
And all of them were like, click, click, click, click,
click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click,
and their job is done or whatever.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here going, I have to make a video.
I had literally, literally half an hour of time scheduled
to talk to anyone with an engineering background
and make a video.
I can't do that.
No, that's not good.
That's not good.
So I ended up skipping a bunch of the other
spectacle monsters in order to get some time
with talk to an engineer.
And they were like, well, why would you want to do that?
I was like, because I need to make a video.
Because I'm trying to do my job.
This seems like a different version
of when you walk into a place
and you can tell it's 100% structured for like,
I was just gonna say print media, but like written media.
Absolutely.
Like a website stuff, not video.
Absolutely.
We're like, it'll be little things.
Like for example, there'll be a deck that they'll give you.
They'll give you a PowerPoint of the presentation
that went on on the stage,
but they won't give you a version of it
without the watermarks until five minutes
before the embargo.
And I go, oh, please tell me more about your magic processor
that you can render a video and upload it to YouTube with
in less than five minutes.
Get it processed on YouTube.
Like help me help you because we're both gonna look like
unprofessional idiots if we have a watermark
all over the slides in our freaking video.
And I don't wanna be two hours late because that's stupid.
I need the slides ahead of time.
It's the very nature of the business.
Besides the whole freaking thing leaked already anyway,
because you let people into the presentation
with their cell phones taking pictures of the slides.
What difference does it make at this point?
Sit a rep with us if you want.
I don't care.
Just let us do our job.
Can you do the Instagram noise again?
I'm getting, no I can't.
I actually don't remember what noise I made.
I couldn't stop hearing it for a while.
But was it cleat or something?
I can't, there's no way I'd be able to do it.
I'm gonna have to watch that back though.
That was freaking, that took me a second
to like actually absorb it.
That was funny though.
Okay, to bring it all the way back though.
Yes.
Does this bode well for Mixer's future?
Will this Mixer Exodus peter out?
You were talking about why someone might not want to go
and how much it might cost.
You asked me why I don't go, et cetera.
This can bode well for Mixer,
but it really depends on Microsoft's commitment to Mixer.
So there's no doubt in my mind
that between Ninja and Shroud,
millions or maybe even tens of millions of dollars
have been committed at this point.
Again, I don't know my,
and I don't even know Ninja's real name.
So I definitely don't know him.
So I have no knowledge of the inner workings of this deal.
I knew Mike, but I also didn't know.
Go figure, branding, right?
Anyway, so I have no real knowledge of this.
I just know based on their footprint
and based on how big and risky of a move this is,
for me to make a similar move,
it would have to be like stupid.
Like it would have to just be like,
sorry, is there an extra zero or two on this?
Cause like, this makes no sense.
Like for me to abandon YouTube at this point,
where I have invested a decade of my life,
like it's not as simple.
And it was a very risky commit.
Absolutely.
And it was successful.
So like doing another very risky commit
after succeeding the first very risky commit is, you know.
Speaking of risky, it is extremely risky
to be putting Nvidia sponsored product placement
in the back of your videos and not disclosing that.
Hey, Jay.
Well, I think the FCC has something to say about that.
Yeah, yeah.
Bad, bad dog, no.
I'm pretty sure that's what they have to say about that.
Have you been, have you been, sorry,
we're kicking back to a previous topic here
because Jay takes 45 minutes to return my calls.
I was in the gym.
Trying to work off some of that fat.
Good job, Jay.
So have you heard about the drama
with YouTubers being accused of taking money
from Nvidia to feature their products
in the background of videos?
Yeah, I have.
I've been pretty vocal against it.
I'm in, annual thing with Nvidia.
Isn't it just some other Nvidia story?
You broke up a little bit there.
Oh, sorry.
I said, yeah, I've been pretty vocal against it.
But then I went on to say,
isn't this just the annual Nvidia drama story?
It's just something different every year.
Yeah, it kind of, kind of is looking that way.
So I just wanted to confirm.
I just, I felt like for our viewers, I owe them,
you know, using my phone book in my cell phone
to get some confirmation that whoever this person
supposedly thinks they're talking about, it's nonsense.
So you're not getting secret money from Nvidia?
No, it's not me.
And can I go on to say that they're the only company
in the big three that's ever paid me dollars?
That's funny.
We've had sponsored Intel and sponsored AMD content
but never from Nvidia.
I would love to say that that surprises me,
but that would be a bald-faced lie.
Yeah, it's irony, right?
I know, right?
It's like, if I'm gonna be accused of selling out,
it'd be nice to actually at least get to cash the check.
If I have to go to the penalty box,
I would like to have actually done the penalty.
Yeah, at least, you know,
if you're gonna put Davey in the corner,
make sure it's a valid reason.
That's all I am.
All right, thanks Jay.
Bye Jay.
All right guys, have a good show.
All right, bye.
So there you go.
Yet another tech YouTuber.
Anyway, back to this whole thing.
So it's a huge risk and it didn't work out for Vessi.
I think that's the most comparable thing I can think of.
And in that case,
I wasn't even being asked to switch platforms.
I was just being asked to upload the platforms,
but the model that vessel is using to acquire talent
is very similar.
Yes.
I would assume here's a minimum guarantee
to cover that shortfall that you're gonna have.
And by the way, here's a big signing bonus.
I am assuming that it is a similar model.
Now vessel ran out of money allegedly,
but Microsoft won't.
So really the only question here
is what's Microsoft's commit level?
And that's a bigger question
because we're also asking then
what is Microsoft's commit level to gaming?
Because I think to them,
Mixer is less about making money off live streaming games
and more about being vertically integrated, okay?
So they own game development studios
and also relationships with game development studios.
They own their own publisher.
They own their own console.
They own their own cloud infrastructure
that allows people to stream games.
They own the operating system
that also interacts with the console
to share licensing for game titles.
Well, they also need, they need to finally succeed
at owning a social media platform.
I will say, I'm gonna say two things on this topic.
One is I think they need five at a minimum.
I know some people have been talking about three,
like who's the next one gonna be
and then maybe that'll be enough.
I think they need five like killer streamers.
And I don't mean killers and they're all FPS players,
but like big, big, big deal streamers.
I think they need five minimum
and then hopefully more on top of that.
And then another one is about Mixer.
I've actually been interested
in switching to Mixer for a long time
since way before Ninja ever went there.
The reason why I was interested,
and again, you know my reason for why I didn't go
is because I don't wanna disturb my little community
I've had for like six years,
but I've been interested because oddly enough,
Mixer to me has always felt more gaming focused.
Interesting.
It has always felt kind of that way.
And where Twitch has stagnated.
IRL and all that.
In a lot of their gaming stuff,
but they've pushed super hard
in all of the segments that you just mentioned,
Mixer has pushed forward continually
in the gaming direction.
They've tried to do a lot
of really cool community integrations
and it might be a little bit rougher around the edges,
but I find it very interesting.
The only reason why I haven't gone
is my little pocket community.
So I think I understand the interest from,
I know a lot of Ninja's communication around his stuff
was just I'm not a fan of like the direction of Twitch
and how much control I have of how it works.
Who knows how real that is.
But I could understand it to a certain degree.
Right.
Something from someone who doesn't even care at all.
I felt the same way.
So I guess there you go.
If Microsoft is actually this committed to gaming
and is this committed to owning a social media platform
for a change, a relevant one, then absolutely.
I think this does end in Mixer drawing
significant market share away from Twitch.
But as you just alluded to,
there is no way that they're gonna pull it off
with just two big names.
They are gonna have to keep putting money into this.
And some of it is gonna be an unmitigated disaster.
Now, I don't think either Ninja or Shroud
are gonna be a disaster.
Those guys have so much gravitational pull
that they will bring users over.
But I think they're gonna have a misfire or two.
There's no way they get it right every single time,
but they're just gonna have to keep doing it.
I think they're gonna need the five that I just mentioned.
I think they're also gonna need like in maybe one wave,
like 20, because right now they're getting these massive,
I don't know Twitch stats very well,
other than current big categories,
which I'll talk about in a second.
But they're getting these massive streamers
that I'm assuming average like 20,000 viewers.
I think they need to get five of those
and then step down, aim at like the one to 2,000 range
and just get like 20 or 30 of them.
Just shotgun.
And some of those will miss.
Cause you'll have, yes, I think that's kind of
where you're gonna have some that might miss.
But you need to reach that momentum point
where you know what, the reality of it is
if Shroud were to stream for four hours
or something like that, nobody sits in,
okay, I shouldn't say nobody,
but very few people sit and watch one stream for four hours.
There needs to be other stuff on the site to flip to.
And the thing is with that range that I just said,
those are career streamers.
Yeah, like that's probably their full-time job
and they're probably killing it.
People with a thousand concurrence?
Yeah.
That's all you need to succeed on Twitch?
How many concurrence do we have right now?
A thousand concurrence all the time.
How do I tell how many viewers we have?
Do you even know how much money you make off of Twitch?
And you don't stream.
Hey, I've got a thousand viewers on Twitch right now, woo!
And you don't stream for long enough
and you don't promote your sub button and stuff.
Because the thing is, here's some weird analytics
into my channel, my channel has way more subscribers
than I have average concurrent viewers.
Right.
And I think that's how it's going to be
because like you just said,
you have people coming in and out of your channel.
Average concurrence is actually a relatively weird way
to measure channel performance.
Like I get astronomically more views on each stream
than I have average concurrent viewers.
I see.
So like it's a lot of people.
A thousand current viewers, if you can hold that number
for a solid long stream is a lot of people.
And like a lot of fans are really supportive.
I get food delivered to me all the time.
Like there's-
I'm pretty sure that's why you do it.
The food is wonderful.
But like-
If they start sending you clothes,
I don't think we'll be able to get you to come to work.
Because I think that's the only thing
that you still need from us.
I'd wear, I'd say, that's kind of funny.
But like it's-
Stream viewers are often extremely supportive.
And you're going to get more-
You're probably going to get-
I don't know, I only have my analytics.
But you're probably going to get more subscribers
than you have average concurrence.
At a thousand subscribers, that's 2,500 bucks a month.
If that was the exact amount of concurrent viewers
that you had, you could definitely-
That's whatever.
You're doing good.
I actually have no idea how many viewers
are on YouTube right now, because it's just broken.
This stopped working at 20 after five.
So that's pretty cool.
But yeah, I don't know.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
I made it, mom.
I think that's pretty much-
Oh wow, we didn't talk about the tri-fold phone.
I wasn't even here.
I didn't know there was one.
TCL created a prototype dual hinge phone,
which folds in three parts
and opens up to a huge 10 inch tablet.
Okay, so the original article here is from CNET.
Hey, look at that.
I think every-
Matter of time.
Direction of product innovation
has to have some things that slam and make sense
and do well, and has to have some of these.
That looks thick AF.
That looks super dumb.
No name, no price, no window for release.
But boy, is that ever a big screen.
And based on my experience with the Galaxy Fold,
I would at least give it a shot,
because I love the Fold.
I know I'm not using it right now,
but that's only because they took my Fold away
to take B-roll of it.
I am so excited to get it back.
Looking at how you unfold this.
Oh yeah, no, it looks like a disaster.
People are gonna do it too quickly.
I'm gonna give it a chance.
Okay.
I'm gonna give it a chance.
I'm very interested.
I said with the single Fold,
that I said I wasn't ready for it
mainly because of price tag,
but I think this is the future.
I'm not saying the same thing here.
I don't think this is the future.
You don't think that's the future.
No.
Well, maybe you are-
I think you went too far, TCL.
You took it too far.
Speaking of taking things too far,
Huawei is launching the Mate X in China on November 15th
for 2,400 US dollars.
So we're gonna try and get our hands on one,
but I don't know that we'll be able to,
because getting China only stuff is difficult sometimes,
but we should definitely try.
We should ask our-
Do we even wanna get our hands on one?
Oh, definitely.
With like all this stuff going on?
Oh yeah, I don't care.
I wanna get my hands on that thing.
I wanna know if it's any good.
Okay.
Maybe it's good.
Maybe it sucks.
We can try.
Speaking of good, we should-
Goodbye.
Yeah, good.
Good to see you later.
Actually, no, we need to do some super chats,
especially because we have a $250 super chat today.
I am so sorry we missed the super chats last week.
That was my bad.
I clicked, and then I was like, super chat,
and the stream was over.
And going back live again is something
that can be very destructive to the channel
in terms of the YouTube algorithm.
So it's something we really try hard not to do.
See, and then I've had streams
where I do it like 10 or 15 times,
so I'm just trialing something out.
Unless- I just don't care.
Goodly interrupted in the middle of the topic.
Yeah.
All right.
So hi, Alex.
TT plays, any tips for a first time PC builder?
Watch a guide.
Our old ones are still good.
Which we do have.
They're still good.
You guys definitely have those.
Just slightly older parts.
Oh, Robert says, the red camera smartphones are gone.
Yeah, actually we considered making that our thumbnail
and title for the WAN show today.
But then I was like, did anyone care?
Probably not.
I think the answer was no.
Star Citizen 890J says,
Leitechester City 9, Southampton Zero.
Is this a soccer score?
It's a soccer score.
John says, where's the intro
where Linus is stuck in the nineties?
That's every video.
Other side guy, you should paint
the Power Mac G5K space gray.
I saw someone, I went to go get some pho.
Some pho.
Some pho.
Some pho.
At the spot.
Why do you always bring me out of the frame?
I'm sorry.
I don't know why.
I like to like face over.
I know.
You're like, ugh.
I went to go get some pho at the spot
and sitting outside of one of the stores close by
was someone with a skateboard,
black jeans, black shoes, black sweater, black shirt,
long slick black hair, some tattoos, headphones.
And I was like, perfect.
Emo skaters, we're back.
Are they back?
I understand culture again.
Were the jeans?
I was out of there for like 10 years.
Were the jeans ripped?
Yep.
Yes!
Like it was, I'm not gonna be perfect at describing it,
but it was like plucked right out of what, like 2004, 2005?
Like Jay and Silent Bob strike back kind of era.
So good.
So good.
I was like, I appreciate your existence
because I understand you.
Other side guys suggest we paint
our Power Mac G5K space gray.
We're probably gonna go with black
and with maybe some orange accents.
And the reason for that is that
it's gonna be more of like the LTT Mac Pro.
So we have to paint it
just because the case got like mangled
by all the work that's been done on it.
I think it's gonna be black.
It's probably gonna be matte black.
So hopefully that doesn't disappoint you too much.
Brandon says, here you go hot boys,
have some opinion rewards balance from my work phone.
How else would I use it?
Also I have Luke beat, I'm still on a 3930K.
Nice.
Jagger says, what's the chassis that you used
for the render server?
The one with the blue bezels.
Oh crap, it's some Istar USA one if I recall correctly.
And it's not like necessarily something I would recommend.
Like we Frankensteined it together and it works great,
but it's not amazing or anything.
Thanks Zach.
Tommy Gun says, is there a reason you released
so many vids on YouTube out of order lately?
Like the VR series and personal rig updates.
I demand information.
A lot of the time it has to do with simultaneous releases
between float plane and YouTube
that are dictated by like sponsors reviewing videos
that need to go up at the same time
or just something just plain not being done.
Like we had a really, I guess usually it's down
to like a sponsor spot move or something like that.
We try to have it be a weak buffer consistently,
but a lot of the time it's just not that simple.
Tinnitus says, donate you all a tree.
That's not quite how that works.
That's a super chat.
That's a different thing, but okay.
Other side guy, rip when every nice phone in PC part
in Australia is a thousand dollars or more.
Yeah, this must've been when we were just discussing pricing
in different regions.
My pet Fish Rex, I have a 970 and a 1440p monitor
I need to upgrade.
I found a used Vegas 64 for 275 bucks.
That seems not bad.
Or should I go with something more modern
like an RX 5700 XT or RTX 2070 Super.
Vegas 64 for 275 bucks.
That seems off the top of my head.
That seems pretty darn good.
Is that that old?
No, that's not.
Yeah, I don't think you would,
like it's not the newest thing ever,
but I wouldn't say that's like ancient.
I wouldn't worry about it something being more modern.
Ilya Tarasov says, do you feel like back in the old days
overclocking felt like deck in the system
and now you only use so much power
you're allowed by the manufacturer.
Honestly, we're gonna be making a video
about a product next week
that makes me feel exactly like that.
Raspberry Pi says, love from the Stylist Studios.
We here really enjoy your in-depth content
so we wanna show you some love and support.
Oh wow, thank you.
$250 Super Chat, that's nuts.
I think that's a...
A what?
Yeah.
Did our stream die?
Nope.
Oh, WTBull says, love watching your content.
Here is five Canadian rupees.
Thank you.
Ilya says, could you please tell some story
about last year's Scrapyard Wars Switch Girl
and explain what the heck was that?
It was Switch Girl.
It was Switch Girl, dude.
Yeah, Switch Girl.
What do you wanna know?
What's up?
What's up?
Yeah.
Switch Girl.
Yeah.
Like explain what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sup bro.
Yeah, Switch Girl.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay, in all seriousness though,
dbrand sponsored Scrapyard Wars.
So she was playing Switch with a dbrand skin on it.
That's all there was to it.
People were like, people were beside themselves.
Like mad about it.
That was, I mean, that was product placement.
But we disclosed it.
Yeah.
Good job.
All right, we only have time for a couple more.
Megan says, just got one
and why does the Swacket have a left-hand zipper?
What are left-hand zippers?
They're saying it's on that side, so.
Oh, wow.
I never...
All of mine are just kind of random.
So I just kind of don't think about it.
There isn't like a rhyme or reason anymore, really.
Oh, okay.
It used to be like,
allegedly men's was on the right
and women's was on the left.
Yeah.
Like buttoning or something.
Oh.
For like dress shirts.
Yeah.
But like, in the research that we've done,
there's like no set guidance anymore.
It's just kind of like, do what you please.
Okay.
So, okay.
It probably would be a good idea for us to
make all of ours the same.
Ours is the same between stealth and Swacket.
Oh, okay.
But it's just on the left.
No one has ever asked that before.
How is the zipper even on the left?
I don't get it.
Well, where the piece that moves is.
Instead of being here, it's here.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
I would have never noticed that.
Yeah, in a thousand years I would have never noticed that.
You get really used to it really quickly.
Yeah, okay.
Not a big deal.
1800 Sweet says,
shout out to my friend, Coby.
Happy birthday for next week.
Happy birthday, Coby.
Shout out.
Leo G says,
where did the Constellation shirt go?
It disappeared from the store
after having a restock date of October, 2019.
It is coming back soon.
Within two weeks.
Within two weeks.
Be Gross says,
I'm finally listening to the entire WAN Show archive
and I'm starting again from the beginning.
Thanks for having audio download links.
You're listening to the entire WAN Show archive.
Why would you do that?
There's a couple of shows that I think I'd like
to listen back on, but not all of them.
I don't know.
It's some obscene number of WAN shows.
Robert sent another chat.
Obviously all Super Chats are made by Shills as well.
Don't forget to visit LTT forums
and discard for your daily tech pilling.
Don't forget WAN Show is prerecorded.
Thanks, Robert.
And lttstore.com.
Lttstore.com.
Vore says,
despite comprising a mere 13% of game production,
Blizzard manages to ban over 50% of Hong Kong supporters.
How's the ghost pepper jerky on the way out?
A lot better on the way in.
It's totally fine for me.
Actually the ghost pepper one?
Yeah, it doesn't.
Actually that, no, that one's not as bad.
The Carolina Reaper one, I ate like an entire bag of it once.
I have never had the bad on the way out experience
with anything spicy.
Really?
Never.
You must have a butthole of steel.
It's solid iron.
Or just dead nerves.
Yeah.
Or dead nerves.
Yeah.
Clint Albert says,
don't know what a Super Chat is for,
but I love your channel.
Well, that cost you $10.
Alex says, here's some New Zealand rupees.
Also, you need to make a big float plane box
for that product placement.
Nice.
We actually have a really exciting float plane video coming.
Are you doing the thing?
The like the announcement?
No, the what thing?
You looked up the website and you saw availability
while we were looking at the script.
I don't want to say what it is.
You'd be going to a place.
I'm going to take that as a no.
Oh yeah.
I totally forgot about that.
We're probably going to simplify it
just because I'm tired and busy,
but we're finally going to be announcing
that float plane is going to be taking requests
from people who want to join.
It's beta.
It's still beta, but it's like beta now.
It's not like pre-alpha.
Yeah.
So it's really, really exciting.
Also, we don't know how to do stages properly.
We're going to shoot that next week
and hopefully it'll be up in the very near future.
So good luck, everybody.
Yeah.
Thanks for watching today.
See you next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Now I can do this.
You can't even say anything.
Maybe.
As I was taking it away, I was like, that provided so much entertainment on the show
today.
Good work.
And I actually totally faded you guys too, because I wanted to walk up and you to say
like, oh, hey, Luke, and then me leave, because I wanted that to be like part of the story.
And it totally worked.