And welcome to the WAN show ladies and gentlemen. This is a bit of a tail in between my legs show and I'll be talking about that in a little bit more detail later, but we made a video that you guys didn't like very much and I feel like I need to address that.
YouTube also rolled out some new stuff, new copyright claim system and new monetization efforts, which is cool. And there's some other kind of general, you know, Intel's doing some rumoury stuff and Nintendo Switch Lite was announced and other fun things.
Yeah, we actually got a lot of great topics for you guys today. Jono did the WAN show document. Oh, well, he also did it last week, which is part of the reason that we didn't really didn't have anything to talk about last week. Whoa, that's okay, because I gave him some coaching this week and he checked in with me about the topics ahead of time.
And I think there's actually some discussion meeting here. There's a bit of a non controversy, which to me in and of itself is kind of controversial.
So AMD said that PCI Express Gen 4 would not work on previous generation motherboards and then Asus went out and published a list of previous gen boards that it'll work on.
And it's it's a funny thing because I think that AMD fanboys aren't really going to like my take on this.
But my my feeling is that if the same thing had happened with Intel, people would be shrieking about it.
And now that it's happening with AMD, it's like, oh, that's pretty cool. So let's get let's get to that.
First, let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll we'll chat about these topics in a little bit here. All right.
Was it just one? Go ahead and pop that up there.
Kind of looks like it was just one. And back to us.
OK, so why don't we jump right into the video that we uploaded today?
So this is something that I've actually addressed on the land show in the past. I'm just going to fire it up on my laptop here.
Hopefully my my screen sharing is working here.
Here we go. Value noise canceling headphones.
So there were a couple of things that went wrong today. I'm watching it.
You can do this. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that. So a couple of things that went wrong today.
First of all. Oh, yeah. The video went up with entirely the wrong title. OK.
Yes. We see that there's a little bit of lag on the YouTube stream.
We are now sort of way beyond not having an explanation for it because the entire land show PC has been swapped out as a CPU, GPU.
Yeah. And it's even we used to be on X264 encoding and now we're on NVENC.
So actually be any different than it is now. We are back on the old Ethernet cable.
Yeah. Also, the like retransmitting server, the splitter.
There was like some a little bit of funkery there, but that's all been updated and fixed and worked out and was tested for the last half hour on a separate account.
Yeah. So it's starting to get to the point where Robert, by the way, know your super chat is not prerecorded.
So it's starting to get to the point where it's just like not really funny anymore.
Yeah. We're just going to have to power through the show here, though, guys.
Realistically, Twitch is probably better. So you can head over to Twitch and watch there. We still have no explanation for why that would be.
Yeah. Anyway, so I'm going to go ahead and pull up the video that we did today.
So this video was called and this was mistake number one.
It was called Why is everybody buying these headphones, which was actually just one of those complete boneheaded errors.
And I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus, but I think we can all guess who it is that usually makes those particularly egregious errors on the channel and never actually does get fired because I love him so much.
Anyway, someone grabbed the wrong title. I have no idea where it came from.
I actually did see that that title was on the prerelease video file, but I didn't really think anything of it.
I thought maybe just one of the editors was confused about it and named the file that and that like the file name is not generally anything to do with the actual name of the video once we go live.
But somehow it ended up with the name of a series that we run on the channel.
Why is everybody buying this X that has never been sponsored before, whether it's sponsored by the retailer that we got it from or sponsored by the product that we featured.
It has never been sponsored before by either of those two parties, like third party sponsors.
Sure. You know, you're savage, jerky or whatever the case may be.
So that created initially a ton of confusion and a ton of upset because all of a sudden we had a sponsored showcase video.
You can see whatever corner it is right there sponsored by TaoTronics that seems to be disguised as editorial content, something that we actually work really hard to not have happen, which is why, thankfully, at least at the beginning, I actually I'm not sure.
I believe the word showcase was already in there, but it is supposed to be.
So if there's a video that is just like, here's information about a product, but it's sponsored by that company or by that product or by somewhere to get it, it is supposed to be clearly displayed in the title of the video so that you know.
And in the video as it is down in whatever corner I'm supposed to, oh, it's not even there.
That way.
My corner.
Sponsored by TaoTronics.
Okay. So that was problem number one that people had with the video.
As soon as Nick was actually the one who spotted it, as soon as Nick saw that the title wasn't right, he had it changed.
This is what it was supposed to be.
Value noise canceling headphones.
Sound surge 46 showcase.
Okay.
Oopsie number one.
So that one's pretty straightforward.
Whoops are bad.
The other one is a little bit more difficult to address, and I feel like I'm almost going to have to do a complete video talking about this at some point in the future because there seems to be a lot of confusion in people's minds about the way that we handle our sponsored content.
So we made the decision, it must have been about a year ago now, to start doing what we called showcases, which are essentially what most of the rest of the industry, that is YouTube personalities, is doing.
Where essentially there's some product or some service and there's a sponsorship involved and you're basically given a bullet point list of things to say about it.
So our way of reconciling that, because obviously that's not editorial content, that's not my opinion, the way that we reconciled that was, okay, here's the deal, audience.
We're going to do these, but we're going to do them as extra releases.
So you'll notice this video went up on a Friday.
So instead of the Linus Tech Tips channel getting six normal videos plus WAN show for a total of seven, that's one every day, it was actually six normal videos plus this one plus WAN show.
So there were a total of eight videos.
We didn't want these sponsored showcases, this sponsored content, to interfere with our regular upload schedule. We didn't want you guys to feel like you were getting cheated and you were missing out on an editorial or a project-based piece of content because we had decided to do one of these showcases.
So that was number one, was we didn't want it to affect the volume of content that you guys get that is our usual type.
Number two was we wanted to separate our opinion, which cannot be purchased, from airtime on our channel, which can be purchased.
So when I talk about buying airtime, you are, in much the same way that you would sponsor a podcast or a radio show, you are paying for the host to read your talking points.
Be it about Savage Jerky Ridge Wallet, the Elgato Stream Deck, or any number of other brands and products that have sponsored our show.
Yeah, that's for LTX.
So the distinction then is you can pay for words to be said, but you cannot pay for an opinion.
So that's where I feel like people are really allowing the waters to get muddied in their minds between reviews and sponsored videos.
So a lot of the complaints about this video, aside from the ones about the title being wrong, and it really was, that was absolutely our mistake and we're sorry that's our bad.
A lot of the complaints are that we didn't give an opinion.
This is a, you know, I could, here, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna scroll down and find something here, you know, cause I'm sure it won't be that hard.
Okay, here's one that I pinned because I did respond to him.
So what other than the requested sponsored talking points can you give us?
Anything of your own or are you just reading off their marketing material?
The answer is I am reading off their marketing material and when it comes to any other sponsored piece of content, so are they.
That's how it works.
Anytime I were to give you guys an opinion in a sponsored piece of content, I'm not talking about like picking it up, like, so here's a Ridge Wallet, you know, it's made of carbon fiber, feels pretty solid.
I'm demonstrating that it's solid.
Yes, I'm saying it feels pretty solid to me or whatever, but that is a, that is a demonstrable objective fact.
It's, it's really well built. That's not really an opinion, even though it's being presented in the form of an opinion.
And so anytime we are giving an, if we were to give opinions in our sponsored content, then we create a really awkward and a really dangerous crossover between a review.
And that is a word that we use very carefully. A review cannot be sponsored by the subject of the review because there is an inherent obvious conflict of interest that prevents any information in that review from being taken at its face value.
So we keep a review separate from a sponsored showcase because yes, that is exactly what a sponsored video is.
Now, some sponsors, in fact, TaoTronics was one of them, do allow us to give you guys useful information.
We did mention some of the more negative points of those headphones in the video.
And in fact, we've run into this a lot of the time, especially brands that wear their, their big kid pants and are willing to take criticism will even allow it in a sponsored video.
But what you guys need to understand is that every brand, TaoTronics, Cisco, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, anyone that we've ever worked with over the years has a say in a sponsored piece of content.
So anything that is in that finished video, and this goes not just for us, but any channel that you watch, at least the ones where at least they disclose it, any channel you watch that does a sponsored video,
the brands that sponsored it had a say, and if there was something they didn't like, it was probably removed, depending on the contract.
I would say with 98% certainty that would have been removed.
I mean, there are going to be creators out there that have more power, that have more weight to throw around to say, no, this is my artistic vision, it stays.
And we've been able to throw that weight around a fair number of times, but sometimes it doesn't work or the contract isn't favorable or whatever the case may be.
To be clear about it not working, just because I feel like this could get misconstrued in some way, if it doesn't work, the video just doesn't come out.
It's not like he'll say something that he strongly doesn't believe in and release the video anyways, just he's like, well, they strong-armed me, the video just won't come out and the contract will not be made.
And that has happened.
Yeah. Like, has 100% happened.
Yes. So addressing a few more of the most upvoted comments here, because I feel like this is a really important topic, not just on our channel, but in general.
It's something that's really important for you guys to understand.
So why is everyone, okay, no, yeah, sorry, that was about the title.
This is an ad with no actual content, WTF, yes.
That's why it says sponsored by TaoTronics and that's why it says showcase in the title, because at the end of the day, that's basically what it is and the WTF is this was an extra piece of content.
We labeled it with showcase after the fact, and I'm really sorry about that.
We labeled it with showcase.
If you don't want to see it, don't watch it.
That really is our stance on them.
Something I want to throw in personally as a technically outside person on this is I hadn't watched this at all, sat here and watched part of it before the show.
There are parts of the video where you criticize it.
I know you mentioned this earlier.
People are saying there's literally no points that aren't in the sponsor spot.
There's like no way that's true, because they're not going to put in the sponsor spot, hey, this button is, I don't remember exactly how you word it, but not great and takes a little bit getting used to.
That's not going to be in the sponsor spot.
So like, yeah, I hear you guys.
So this is another really great example right here of exactly the mentality that we need to kill.
I don't mind sponsored videos, but this was just a four-minute ad.
There was no review or anything.
If it's sponsored, there is no review, period.
That's not how these contracts work.
And you don't want them to work that way.
No, you don't.
You want reviews to be really, really clearly separated from anything that is sponsored in a way that could create a conflict of interest.
Absolutely.
That's like very important.
So, yeah, I mean, most of the complaints, probably the most blatant clickbait title I've seen.
Nobody, not a single soul.
Linus, everybody is buying these.
And that's fair, because the original title is crazy.
I will throw another defend in that Linus Media Group has published thousands of videos at this point.
There's going to be oopsies in titles every once in a while.
It's still bad.
This one is particularly bad.
It's still particularly bad.
Because it didn't just violate our own standards for what constitutes clickbait.
It violates our editorial standards.
Oh, it's bad.
All I'm saying is people will make mistakes.
So we're clear that it's bad.
Oh, it's bad.
It's really bad.
And pointing it out, you know what?
Solid.
Because it needs to be pointed out so that it gets changed, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
But I don't know.
I'd measure your pitch forgiveness because it was changed quickly.
Oh, surprise.
Lucas defending LMG.
Well, no crap.
I think it's also very reasonable.
There was a mistake.
They understood it was a mistake.
They changed the title.
The showcase content has been happening forever.
There are legitimate criticisms within a showcase video, which in my opinion is marginally above
and beyond.
I mean, there were a couple of things that we felt were really important to mention.
Yeah.
Like the fact that, you know what?
They sound pretty darn good.
I'm not being sponsored right now.
Say whatever the hell I want.
They sound pretty darn good, but not at full volume.
Someone mentioned that in the comments.
So we need you to mention that.
I hadn't seen that part of the video.
But yeah, someone mentioned that in Twitch chat that you guys said that as well.
Like, there was extra stuff added on top.
So we mentioned the main drawbacks to them.
Like, to be clear, they're fine.
We wouldn't have taken the deal if we thought they were a bad deal.
Also, there's a bunch of content, especially earlier on,
where if you watch Lance's videos from quite a long time ago when we used to do more headphone coverage,
mostly unboxings, he's mirroring the same comments.
These are opinions he's had for a long time.
Not that opinions shouldn't be able to change over time,
but like a lot of the things that you said were not surprising to me
because I remember holding a dinky camera and listening to you say the same stuff.
Now, I have had people upset, particularly about the fact that I didn't ream on it for having a micro-B USB port.
So I can explain why that would be.
The cost to implement USB Type-C is significantly higher,
not just in terms of the actual solder connections because there are more of them and they're finer,
but in terms of the R&D because it is a more complex standard.
By complex standard, I mean it is like many different standards,
many of which don't necessarily work properly with each other.
Building a device that charges over USB Type-C is not trivial,
and there's a reason that even large companies like Logitech are still shipping gaming mice with USB micro-B connectors.
Now, with someone like Logitech, I have less sympathy because Luke has personally visited their R&D facilities.
I think they can figure out how to put a USB Type-C connector on something.
Yeah, they're kind of amazing actually.
With TaoTronics, given the price point and given the fact that a device like this
would not have as clear a benefit from Type-C as some others would, like a mouse in particular.
Now, Logitech mitigates this somewhat by putting reinforcements around their Type-C connectors at the end of their mice
so that it doesn't put as much strain on it.
But with a device like a mouse, where you're actually moving it around while it's charging sometimes,
there's a clear and obvious reason to use a more durable connector like a Type-C.
This is a pair of headphones that you'll probably charge once every few days for a span of a couple years
until you lose them or whatever.
So micro-B, yeah, it's not as good, but it doesn't need fast charging over Type-C.
It doesn't need 30-watt charging or anything crazy like that.
It would be more convenient to not have to carry an extra cable, but they are a value option
as opposed to a 199 or 299 pair of active noise-canceling headphones.
So I was willing to not ream on it, and there's no way.
Again, remember, this is a sponsored piece of content.
There's no way I was going to be able to ream on it hard because this is a sponsored piece of content.
So why wasn't it in there?
Because given the context, I was willing to not ream on it, and I wouldn't have been able to ream on it anyway.
All right. Well, I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that.
Yeah.
Oh, speaking of all I have to say about that, I ate at Bubba Gumps for the first time ever yesterday.
Bubba Gumps?
Yeah.
Oh, down in, okay.
Yeah, yeah, so I actually, while I was sitting there, I didn't...
Random.
Yeah, well, I was down in LA for a meeting that was to do with VidCon,
but I wasn't at VidCon because I left before VidCon started.
That sounds like the best way to do VidCon.
Yeah.
Yeah, like hands down.
It was kind of amazing. I had like the best meeting ever.
I'm so bad with names, and I'm really embarrassed.
And so this sucks, but CGP Grey was there. Tom Scott was there.
YouTube's head of search and discoverability was there, which was really important.
And there were definitely some key insights that this is not the kind of meeting that I can go
and like make a YouTube video about and tell you guys all about,
but it was really good to just be able to have that kind of open discussion around the dinner table.
There was, I think her first name's Rebecca.
She's absolutely huge. She does kids' content.
I forget her last name, Zamolo, something like that.
There was a guy who has a really cool channel that's like tips for creators.
There was the guy who did the arcade tricks or like arcade cheats or something like that.
Arcade hacks, cheats or something. What's his name?
Shoot.
Rebecca Zamolo?
Yeah. Yeah, that's her.
It's not the kind of content that I think you folks would necessarily enjoy, but she's super popular.
Yeah.
Dang it. I can't find him right now. Nobody is helping me in the chat.
Mark Robert. Mark Rober. Mark Rober.
Oh, okay.
He was in arcade scam science.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he was there. So it was like, honestly, I felt kind of B-list.
But I think I got an invite just because I cornered one of their execs at the Top Creator Summit and was like asking a bunch of questions.
And he was just like, we're thinking of having like a dinner.
Come to that and talk to these people directly.
So it's really cool. I'm finally getting to the point where we have a real relationship with YouTube.
Actually, one of the people who was there got to launch a popular product for the first time in pretty much forever.
And that leads really perfectly into one of our topics for today.
Oh.
So the head of Content ID was actually at dinner.
Oh, yeah. This is cool. Yeah, okay.
Yeah. So the original article here is from the YouTube creators blog.
And he was really excited about this.
So Content ID now requires claimants to provide more information and provides better.
I go a bunch of displays.
I mean, hey, that's the benefit of durable aluminum wall hanging.
You can trip and throw them all over the floor and they'll still be okay.
They'll still be all right.
Are they bent?
No way.
Okay, cool. No, no, it's fine.
Yeah, it wasn't that bad.
It didn't sound that bad.
Anyway, so better tools to resolve manual Content ID claims.
So this actually would have solved that drama problem that we had a while back.
Yeah.
Where our Content ID system through our MCN was claiming anyone's video that had,
I think it was either Unigine Valley or Unigine Heaven benchmark in it because we had lots of videos with that first, apparently.
And then other people uploaded footage and it went, yeah, that's Linus Media Group's content.
And then they had their videos Content ID claims, which to be clear is not the same thing as a copyright strike and is actually no big deal.
Once you get it resolved, there's no long term lasting damage.
You don't even lose your AdSense.
Anyway, now it's way easier to resolve these things.
So in the past, the copyright claim system had been abused and used to extort creators in some cases.
So manual claiming is a tool within Content ID that allows you to do things like go,
hey, YouTube's automated system didn't find this six notes of our song and, you know, automatically flag it.
So we're going to go and we're going to manually say, hey, that's from our song.
We actually had this happen a while back with a monitor video.
We had like a meme and it was basically like that.
And like it was really that short. And the owner of that song came in.
They've created their own tools for combing through videos.
They came in, they claimed our entire video based on this like six to eight notes of music or whatever it was.
And the way that a copyright claim works is that once someone else claims your video, the video stays up.
You lovely folks still get to enjoy it.
But all of the money that gets made through AdSense on that video goes to that copyright holder,
even if they had nothing to do with ninety nine point five percent of the video content.
And it was just that all of the money goes to them, which is obviously not a perfect system.
But I also understand why it would be that way, because, you know, you can't just you can't just grab like,
you know, an iconic song like ACDC Highway to Hell or something and use, you know,
five to 10 seconds of it in every one of your videos and expect that that's OK because you didn't create that.
That's not yours. It doesn't work that way.
And you also can't just tell ACDC, well, hey, these guys put three hours of black frames at the end of their video,
which makes you effectively point zero two percent of the content.
So here's your point zero two percent of the AdSense.
That's not fair either, because clearly you, the creator, felt you were significantly enhancing your piece of content by stealing someone else's work.
Or you wouldn't have included it. I mean, in that case, you definitely did.
Sorry, you definitely did. But if you put three hours of black frames. Oh, yeah, yeah.
You're definitely abusing the system and you're significantly enhancing your content.
Yeah. So so anyway, to combat.
And so so this is this is a move in the creator's direction.
After a lot of previous moves that appeared to be designed to help copyright holders enforce their copyright to a degree that
I as a YouTuber felt was unfair, we ended up having to edit that video and re upload it without that meme in it,
because giving someone else all the AdSense from a video that we spend a lot of time and money creating for their couple seconds of music doesn't make any sense to us.
So now here's what's here's what's going on.
So Content ID can work automatically by scanning a blah, blah, blah.
OK, so. OK, Jono's notes on this are not amazing, but basically starting today, and I think that's two days ago, three days ago,
they are requiring copyright owners to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their content appears in the videos that they manually claim, which is nice.
This was a big problem. Like in that video, I watched through the entire video without actually realizing what the problem was.
All I could see was that it had been claimed by some music conglomerate and I was like, what are you talking about?
So I messaged our editor. I went, yo, WTF, what happened here? Aren't we using all I think we were on Warner Chapel at the time.
Like, aren't we using all licensed music that we we have rights for? And they go, yeah.
And then someone finally clued in. I think it was actually a comment on the video that alerted us to this,
that that meme was from a song like that little portion of it.
And so so it wasted a bunch of our time when the claimant could have just said, hey, this is the problem.
Now, they don't want to do that because that's not actually the outcome they're after. Think about it from their perspective.
Would they rather have you quickly edit their crap out of your video or would they rather take your money?
In the they get 100 percent of it kind of scheme, they definitely just want the money scheme is definitely the right word here.
Yeah. So they have to provide timestamps now for exactly which part of your video is manually being claimed.
And YouTube is providing their editing tools to remove the content claimed manually in your video,
which will now automatically release the claims. This isn't going to solve all problems.
No, but it should be way more helpful than what they have now. Yeah.
Yeah. So right now you've got a few different options. You can mute all sound when the claimed song plays.
You can replace the song if you don't want to mute the audio entirely.
So you can instead swap out the music with one of their free to use songs from the YouTube audio library.
Although that might not necessarily be a perfect solution.
We actually had to claim a YouTube audio library song once because the performance was licensed by YouTube.
But the actual original sheet music was still copyrighted in Germany of all places anyway.
Or you can trim out the content so you can just cut it out and then an edited version will show up on YouTube after the fact.
And they are still working on improvements like having an explicit trim option in the video copyright info page that allow you to trim it out with just one click.
And remember, of course, that the same tools from before where you could dispute these claims do still exist.
If you think the claim is incorrect or covered under fair use or just completely irrelevant like those Unigine Valley and Unigine Heaven claims,
you can just say, hey, this isn't valid. Here's the reason I think so.
And we've actually found that most of the time, like Wancho, we've been flagged on Wancho a lot of times back when we used to show game trailers.
Yeah. We've been flagged by the game trailer owners and I'm kind of sitting here going, you effing serious, mate?
So dumb. You're going to take our money for promoting your...
Why are we advertised for you?
Yeah, sorry for the free promotion, dumbass.
So we've actually disputed those in the past saying, I'm sure this was an accident.
No one in their right mind at Nintendo would be mad that we showed their trailer.
Nintendo definitely gets salty about that.
I actually do think that Nintendo was one that did not release it.
I'm sure they were.
I'm looking at it going like, you guys are just idiots because we are just never, ever, ever going to talk about one of your new games again.
They're getting slightly better at this over time.
They do seem to be getting slightly better.
But like, wow.
Yeah. It's like, how stupid do you have to be to get mad at someone for promoting a trailer for your content?
This is an awesome looking game. Check it out. Flagged.
We might not have said it looked awesome.
We probably did. It's a Nintendo game.
We probably did. We're both pretty Nintendo-y.
They're basically all awesome.
On the subject of Nintendo, one more topic before we do our sponsors.
Switch Lite. Yay or nay?
Yay, absolutely.
You know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to attempt the gods.
Oh jeez. Here it is.
Oh no. Here it is. Oh no.
No, wait. No, I bailed. Hard bail.
Hard bail. No, forget it.
We'll see if his shoe takes the whole video.
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if we give up all of our ad sense over that.
What do you think? Do you disagree with me?
I wasn't listening. I was busy beating you.
Oh, I said yay. You said yay? Yeah.
Why?
It's considerably cheaper.
It's $100 cheaper.
And it's effectively a 3DS replacement.
Okay. Which, like, they weren't going to keep going with 3DS.
And we've known that for a long time.
Okay. So, I'm going to say it's complicated.
Okay. I see we're going here.
Okay. So, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These prices are all over the place for once.
I'm not 100% sure what's going on there.
The one that I saw that's price competitive with the Switch Lite,
I would be concerned about. Used switches are a little bit sketchy.
That's true.
Because they could be blacklisted.
They could be blacklisted. They have an exposed screen.
It's fairly likely for the screens to be scratched.
Especially if people were not very careful with docking them.
And that's going to be something that might be a little bit visually hard to tell in an eBay ad.
It has a not very easily user replaceable battery.
So, I would be a little bit concerned about that.
And I don't think the fact that you can eBay something that is used for a comparable price,
that a new thing is like null and void.
No, but it's a factor in a purchasing decision for me.
I'm not going to purchase a Switch Lite.
Okay.
I think it's cool that it's on the market.
Here's my other main problem.
Yeah.
That's BestBuy.com. So, that's US pricing.
Sure.
So, to me, effectively, what Nintendo has done here is they've knocked $100 off the price.
And you're getting the same gaming hardware.
So, you're going to have the same gaming experience that you had, at least on mobile anyway.
The battery life is a little longer.
Is it?
As far as I know.
Oh, it's an updated chipset, I think.
It's a new Tiger chip.
I believe so.
So, the battery life is a little bit longer.
The controllers are fixed.
So, they're stuck on the side.
And I believe the screen's a little smaller.
I don't know about the screen.
I'm not sure.
But, okay, so here's my problem, is they dropped $100 off the price.
Yes, that's nice.
But, you are giving up a lot.
You're giving up TV docking and removable controllers.
Some of it, you have the ability to get back.
Like, for example, there are games that you cannot play on the Switch Lite, like Mario
Party, for example.
Mario Party requires Joy-Cons.
You can connect Joy-Cons to a Switch Lite?
Of course you can.
$20.
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
But you said you cannot play.
So, now, you've spent $270.
It is another $30, 30 bucks, to get the one that just has all the functionality.
That's where I run into trouble.
This is a console that is a Switch, but doesn't offer all the same experiences.
It's more like a Game Boy.
It's not really a console.
Yes.
It doesn't dock.
I know.
You can't play it on TV.
I know, I know.
It's not really designed, I hear you, it's not really designed for Mario Party.
For 30 bucks.
Look, I've played more Mario Party on the Switch portably than I have on my TV.
Oh, that's kind of weird.
On the plane.
Why do you play Mario Party on the, you play Mario Party by yourself?
No, with someone.
Okay, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a fairly small use case.
Okay, that's a nice use case.
I don't disagree with you.
But, but, there, I mean, there's other, Nintendo acknowledged in their announcement that you
can't play one, two Switch.
You can't play all of them.
Yeah.
There are games that won't play.
You've got to check the back of the game.
You've got to see if it supports handheld mode, and if it doesn't, you are plumb for
a sudden luck.
I think the vast majority of games are going to support it.
Especially moving forward.
Mario Party is a good one to call out, because that's a fairly made, I don't know how many
game.
It's a lot of fun.
Yes.
I don't know how many people are into one, two Switch.
Yeah.
Kind of a trash game.
No, Mario Party is far more important to me.
Mario Party is pretty major.
Yes, I will give you that for sure.
And if I have to run out and spend $70, on top of the fact, so here's another problem
that I have.
First party Nintendo games are freaking expensive.
Yes.
So, when we're talking about the price difference between a Switch and a Switch Lite, we're
talking one and a half games.
Yeah, but at the same time, like if you're a kid, that one and a half games might be
too much.
Yeah, that's fair.
And then you should probably go buy a, you should probably go try to very much snipe
a good deal on a used Switch somewhere else.
I do agree with that.
Not everyone's going to do that.
A lot of moms are not going to buy you a used Switch.
A lot of moms are not comfortable buying used stuff for their kid, who, you know, even if
they're like a, you know, I get this story all the time, like, hey Linus, my mom won't
let me buy a used GPU on eBay because she says it's sketchy.
I know it's a good deal.
It's like, it's one of those brands that still has, that has a user transferable warranty.
It's literally still under warranty.
Help me convince her.
And I'm like, look dude, there's nothing I can do to help convince you.
I couldn't convince my parents.
You're not going to be able to convince yours, I bet.
Yeah.
My mom was pretty cool with that.
My brother and I raised money and she drove us to buy a SNES from some dude in a parking
lot when I was like 11 or something.
But like, but not everyone's down with that.
Yeah.
I don't think it's a smoking deal.
I don't think it's amazing.
I think it has a place though.
Right.
A lot of people aren't going to buy used.
Some people might want to just play Fire Emblem and Smash and literally nothing else.
But if you're good, okay.
People will buy a device for that.
Smash, just mobile, you don't want to dock it?
People will buy a console.
No.
That is invalid.
What if not docking?
You're invalid.
What if not docking is...
I can't even push that.
What if not docking the device is non-prompt?
Brandon, please.
Come on.
Okay.
This is interesting.
Okay.
So, so Brandon, you're a bit of a Smash enthusiast.
Yes.
I like Smash.
And Fire Emblem.
I said those names specifically because of Brandon.
Okay.
So we're talking Switch versus Switch Lite right now.
Okay.
So do you know, do you know about the Switch Lite?
Yes, I know about the Switch Lite.
Of course you do.
Of course you do.
Obviously we all do.
Okay.
So at a hundred dollar delta.
Okay.
Is the Switch Lite a deal?
I didn't say it's a smoking deal, I said it had its place.
I think it has.
Yeah.
I think I agree with Luca.
I think it has its place.
Okay.
So if you were someone who's only going to play Fire Emblem and Smash, is it not worth
the extra hundred dollars to be able to dock?
This isn't fair because Brandon has a sweet coat and a really nice TV.
I literally bought a Switch like last week when, before the Switch Lite came out.
Now thinking back to that decision that I made last week, I'd still make this.
I was going to say, I think he would buy a full one.
But again, he has a nice TV and a really awesome couch.
A lot of people don't have that.
Right.
But you don't need to have a TV.
Can you use your monitor?
You can, absolutely.
Sure.
There's so many monitors.
But a lot of people are just going to want to like chill in bed, play on their thing.
I see.
Do they not have friends?
Kids don't have a, do they not have friends?
Why?
It's a valid question.
It's fair.
But like I just- Who plays Smash by themselves?
Sometimes that hundred dollar delta will be too much to overcome.
But then I stand by my argument that you should go buy a used Switch then.
But some people can't.
Because you're going to, you're, okay, you might not need Joy-Cons eventually.
But okay.
Here's another thing too.
Like you want to talk resale value, the Switch is going to hold its value.
It's going to hold some of that value when it's time to flip it and get a Switch 2 or
Switch Pro or whatever.
To be fair, basically all Nintendo products hold value very well.
And the accessories in particular.
Except for like the weird accessories for original Wii, some of those maybe not.
I was picking, no, some of them not bad.
Like the tennis racket things?
Okay, no, no, not that stuff.
That's what I meant.
But I'm talking like Wiimotes.
Yeah, yeah, well yeah.
Wiimotion plus Wiimotes still hold value.
The Wii U, I was picking up a Wii U a little while ago because one of our Wiis was having
some kind of issue.
And I was like, ah, you know what?
Forget it.
Let's just get a Wii U anyway.
And then I can do that data transfer thing.
And then I don't have to worry about the Wii dying and taking all my, you know, classic
arcade, whatever, these virtual console games with it and all that kind of stuff.
So we got it.
And I was like shocked at how much a Wii U still costs because of the way that Nintendo
manages their IP and they have these unique games, these unique gaming experiences.
The Wii U tablet controller still feels amazing.
Yeah.
So they've got these unique experiences that are available.
Their consoles hold their value.
I would make the argument that a Switch Lite is going to go like that compared to a Switch,
which will still hold some value.
Comparatively, I still think it'll hold this value better than a lot of things.
But yeah, I do agree with that in general.
I think you're maybe underestimating the $100 delta.
For a lot of kids, that's a really big deal.
It's big.
And the problem is that it's potentially a year, but it's going to bite you later.
It's going to bite you when you need Joy-Cons.
It's going to bite you.
It's also going to eventually go on sale, get comboed with a game.
Okay.
Something like that.
Okay.
Now that's a different conversation.
If it comes with Fire Emblem and it's like $229, now we're talking a two game difference
in price, but right now it is a one and a half game difference in price.
Right now.
Yeah, I think that's still significant enough to make people accept these sacrifices.
Sure.
Yeah, they are sacrifices in a lot of cases.
The increased battery life is really nice and that might be enough for some people because
charging the Switch is actually a huge pain.
It is.
I've already noticed this.
The Switch being fully mobile is actually very annoying.
It is?
Yeah.
How is it a pain?
Charging the Switch is-
This battery life is not very good.
Yeah.
This battery life is terrible.
Yeah, but I mean, okay, so maybe I'm a unique case here.
Now you're throwing in surprisingly expensive battery bags.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold on a second.
I find, okay, so let me think for a second.
You know what though?
One thing I was able-
I use my laptop charger, so I carry one USB type C.
Yeah.
I carry my razor blade stealth laptop charger, which does my phone, my Switch, and my laptop,
and they all last for long enough that I don't need to plug all three of them.
So now this kid that was barely able to save up for it has a razor blade with a USB C charging
card.
I haven't found charging the device to be a problem.
Yeah.
It's a little awkward.
A lot of people who buy a Switch Lite are not going to go along and also buy a lot of
the stuff that you need to make, that could make the Switch TV version better.
That's true.
So a Switch Lite is a good solution because they're not going to spend, because I think
I spent another $100 on little things, like SD cards.
A pro controller.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
People who buy the Switch Lite aren't going to buy that.
That's the thing.
When you buy a Switch for your TV, you're buying a lot of other stuff on top of that
a lot of the time, over time, and a Switch Lite, you just buy it and you can just play
right away.
Okay, sure.
And you're trying to somewhat bridge the gap.
All right.
Thanks, Brendan.
By buying some of those things, like additional controllers and stuff, and I think you have
to assume if you're going for a Switch Lite, you're probably buying nothing in addition
other than games.
All right.
Well, that's fair enough.
So the plan is to invest a lot less in the ecosystem.
And if I was a parent, maybe I'd get my kids a Switch Lite so that they don't have to ask
me for a pro controller, but the answer's already no.
And honestly, that might sell a bunch of these if the people are educated enough in the ecosystem
to go like, okay, yeah, it can't connect to the TV.
It can't do all these other things.
Or if I don't want my kids on my TV.
Or that.
So okay, all right.
I think it has a place.
I don't think it's a stunning value.
I don't think people should run out and buy it right now, because it's amazing.
If you're interested, I would probably wait until it gets bundled with a game.
With a game.
Yeah.
With a game?
Okay.
Without a game, I think it's a tough sell for me.
I don't think it's a great deal.
I don't like-
I think it's interesting.
I don't like saving a dollar so that I can spend two later.
Okay, but 100 US dollars when you were 13.
Yeah, it's a lot of money.
But when I was-
And I know you probably would have bounced right.
When I was 13-
And I probably would have done the same thing.
I bought low, sold high.
I was flipping stuff on Craigslist.
Like I was hustling.
Yeah.
So-
I had a job.
I don't feel bad for people that can't raise $100 because they're too young to find a side
hustle.
Neither do I, because again, I had a job.
But I can understand why they might want to buy something that's cheaper.
To be clear, that thing I just said just now could sound very out of touch.
To be clear, I don't feel bad for suburban, lower to upper middle class kids that can't
scrape together $100.
If you came from where we came from-
Yes.
Then you should be able to.
Yeah.
But if you're someone who is in a situation where you don't even have time to go to school
because you are working to support your family at 12 or whatever, that's a completely different
situation.
I wasn't supporting my family with my job.
I was buying EverQuest subscriptions and video games.
So I just want to make sure that that's really clear.
Yes.
Sorry.
So just for those of you who are tuning in late, we have no idea why the stream is lagging
on YouTube.
It's fine on Twitch.
It is literally exactly the same stream.
It actually still lags a little bit on Twitch, but it is considerably better on Twitch.
Oh, okay.
So yeah, we'll have to figure that out later.
We think it's haunted.
Just wanted to run through the sponsors for you guys.
Holy crap, we are 45 minutes into the show and we haven't talked about sponsors.
Anthony, did you want to jump in with something?
You were kind of standing there patiently.
Yeah, I was just going to say that the $1.99 price for the Switch Lite is basically what
the 3DS used to cost when it first came out.
So to me, that means that it's the new 3DS.
Okay.
Yeah.
Luke said that.
Yeah.
Like to me, I would buy it because it's more portable.
It is smaller.
Oh, it is smaller.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's smaller.
It's less like the...
How much smaller?
Like my Joy-Cons don't stick really well anywhere.
It's like a six point something to 5.5 inch.
So like it's actually a smaller device.
It's quite a bit smaller.
It's basically like a little bit larger than a Vita.
Okay.
So it's still like sort of pocket-able.
Uh, depending on the size of your pocket.
Yeah, you'd need a pretty epic pocket.
My pockets are huge.
No, I don't think so.
Uh, maybe.
It takes my entire hand.
Yeah, you probably...
You got the big boy pockets.
Up to like here.
Alright, Mr. Big Boy Pockets here.
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Oh, that's funny.
I was talking about how Ridgewell it might be a sponsor, and then they were.
I guess that's why it's sitting here.
I thought maybe someone just left it here.
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So the Ridgewell, it lets you stop carrying pointless garbage around in your pocket, receipts,
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They're also RFID blocking, so people can't use those card skimmers in order to grab your
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But I will say, I'm going to interject here for one second.
If you need RFID to access something- Yeah, tape it to the outside of your Ridgewell.
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Cash clip.
Oh, that's a cash clip.
Well, whatever.
I would use it.
I would use a bell clip, and it worked great.
Okay.
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Well, also, we have a lot of meat.
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Just to be clear, the nitrates are not the carcinogen.
It's the reaction between the nitrates and something something that creates a carcinogen.
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All right, do we have any other important topics today?
I kind of feel like we covered all the really important stuff.
The major things.
The Google employees secretly listening in thing is pretty interesting.
Nah.
We've got to talk about the PCIe Gen 4 compatibility drama.
I want to throw in a thing for this really quick at some point.
I don't have to do it now.
Oh, sure.
Okay, let's do it now.
Let's do it now.
Okay, so Google employees secretly listening in.
We don't really have to go into this too deeply, in my opinion.
There's Google employees that are listening in to Google Home data and listening to conversations,
including conversations that were definitely not intentionally triggered.
I'm sure this is happening with all of them.
I was talking to Wendell at Computex.
We talked about a ton of stuff.
Wendell's an amazing person.
It was very fun hanging out with him.
But one of the things we started talking about is someone has designed, or a group of people,
I don't remember.
Sorry.
I didn't remember the story until I saw this exact topic.
But they designed this 3D printed housing that you can put on, I believe it was for
an Alexa, but you could probably modify it to go on a Google Home as well, that covers
it and then has a little, I believe, if I remember correctly, it has a little speaker
in it that constantly blares noise at it.
And it's playfully called the brain slug because that plays onto something from a show that
I don't remember and people get really mad at me, but I think it's Rick and Morty.
So basically it's constantly blasting white noise.
Is that Futurama?
Futurama.
Oh, I think it's Futurama, yeah.
It's constantly blasting white noise and the brain slug is now listening for you, but it's
all local stuff.
It doesn't call out to external servers.
So if you say the keyword that the brain slug wants to hear, the brain slug will stop blasting
noise and then you can talk to your automation device.
Wow.
And that's actually awesome.
That is next level.
I think that is so cool and I've wanted to make one for a while, even though I don't
run these devices, I just want to make one because I think they're cool and I probably
screwed some things up and I'm sorry Wendell and whoever made that project, but super cool.
So this is pretty funny.
Google's defense of this behavior was that only 0.2% of all audio clips are being used.
That's a lot.
That's a huge amount.
That's one in every 500.
That means I guarantee, like not technically guaranteed, but it is extremely likely that
I have something in here of me going, set a reminder for, but.
You know, my herpes appointment or whatever.
But that's the thing.
Hey, Luke has a highly recognizable voice.
So let's say that he did set an embarrassing reminder or something like that.
Even if he was intending to talk to his assistant, it's a personal assistant.
Not a, Hey, I'd love for someone in a data center somewhere to really like listen to
this and go, wow, is that Luke?
The conversation with Wendell came up because I was talking about how I don't like these
services because I would love to have something local and how a long time ago I had spun up
this project to try to mesh together a whole bunch of microphones in my house and have
them dictate to a file that I was going to be constantly reading to see for my own keywords
and triggering events on my own and all this kind of stuff.
But it was quite a long time ago and he actually said there's a bunch of projects that I would
be able to use to accomplish it a lot easier now, which is very cool.
Again, talking to Wendell's always fantastic, but that's how we got onto this thing because
these are so they're so creepy.
Uh, Nick, you've been standing here very patiently.
Do you want to talk to the, uh, the one show?
Yeah.
I mean, for a minute, I thought you were going to say Luke has herpes, not that I know of.
Have you talked about your super fashionable t-shirt that you're wearing?
No, I haven't yet.
Oh, well that's now the top selling t-shirt in the lightest tech store.
Really above hard drive.
I actually like hard drive better.
Hard drive has only been on sale half as long.
Oh, okay.
Uh, yeah.
It's a t-shirt.
It's for sale.
It's really nice.
I really like it.
There's also this one.
You can also get the elemental shirts, which don't sell very well.
This shirt exists.
Yeah.
Check it out.
Alternatively, we're going to have those two for 30 at LTX.
Hard drive is, hard drive is pretty awesome.
I really liked this one.
Um, what else is there to say?
We're out of stock as most of the sizes of stealth hoodie.
Are we out of all of them?
There's only one.
There's one stealth.
There's one stealth hoodie in stock while it says sold out online.
So they'll be back in stock next week and hopefully by next week we will also be launching
our underwear.
Oh yeah.
You want some underwear?
Yes.
Yeah, I bet you do.
I've already told them.
I think you'll take anything free.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
So can I pitch you something crazy?
Okay.
To promote the launch of the underwear.
Yeah.
We do the show naked, but wearing underwear.
Are we like standing?
No.
They can't see them anyways then.
That's fine.
Do you think they ran from Twitch?
I don't know.
Oh yeah.
Nipples.
Well, Oh, how does that work?
We could paint them.
We could paint.
We could paint them because that's a whole section of the thing.
We could wear bras.
Oh my God.
We could wear bras.
We could wear bras.
Okay.
But hold on a second.
I need to know how this works is actually important because you're a Twitch partner.
So if you show your nipples on someone else's channel, Oh, does that affect your channel?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you showed up on Linus tech and was like streaming in the bathroom or whatever he'd
get.
That's on him.
Not me temporarily banned for, Oh, it's on both of us.
All right.
Yeah.
All right.
Just, just, just clearing the air here.
Just clearing the air.
So bras.
All right.
So bras might be the answer.
I think actually you're not even going to be here.
Oh, you're not here next week.
Okay.
Next week then we'll find a time.
Um, yeah.
All right.
So Seuss publishes and B four 50 gen four compatibility chart.
So, um, let's see what, uh, this was posted by CB forum member on the Linus tech tips
forum and basically AMD's official position about PCI express gen four compatibility has
been that only X five 70 and their rise in third gen processors together give you the
capability to run PCI express gen four, which is double the speed of PCI express gen three
at the same link width.
However, a Seuss actually just published a chart of their motherboards.
So we've got this here on hexis.net showing that some of their last generation X four
70 and even their more value oriented B four 50 boards have PCI e gen four support or capability.
So ironically, um, none of their ROG boards have gen four 16 X support.
Um, so, you know, that's pretty funny, but some of their prime and tough series boards
actually do so you could plug a PCI e gen four graphics card into your system and get
a gen four link if you have a rise in third gen processor installed in it.
And actually quite a lot of the boards support PCI e gen four for the M dot two slot, which
in my opinion is actually a little bit more important because PCI e gen four 16 X is so
far beyond what a graphics card needs at this point in time, outside of some very specialized
workloads that faster storage is probably a more practical use for PCI gen PCI e gen
four at this point in time.
Now what I actually don't have any clarification on at this point because I haven't actually
read the article is how this affects the link between the CPU and the chip set.
I would imagine that still a gen three link because the chip set itself is not gen four
capable to my knowledge, but for the rest of it, the way that it works is your CPU is
just it's PCI express pins are just connected to those slots or to that M dot two slot.
So as long as the signaling quality is sufficient, it can negotiate a gen four link on these
boards.
As long as the device on the other end is PCI e gen four, it's just, it's just copper.
Like that's what it is.
It's copper.
Now the way that they route the traces has to be better for PCI e gen four so that you
avoid interference and that's why ASUS is saying, well, Hey look, these boards aren't
going to handle it because of whatever reason.
Or if you had something like a PCI express a switch or something, if that doesn't have
gen four capability, you're not going to, you're not going to be able to necessarily
handle actually, I don't know.
How would a PLX chip be affected by that?
I would think it would have to be natively gen four.
Don't quote me on that.
Maybe I'll have to get back to you on that.
Anyway, the point is it looks like there are some boards with PCI e gen four capability
from the last generation, which kind of eliminates the one key benefit of X five 70, especially
cause a lot of them are passively cooled.
Okay.
So I'm going to bring you back a little bit.
Yeah.
Please.
Because you just talked about how it's very interesting, but something you mentioned at
the beginning of the show was the controversy problem where a lot of people are going, oh
cool.
But you think if it was the other team, they would be getting really mad.
Yeah.
So Intel had something similar where they had a line of chips that I'm going to screw
up the code names, coffee lake.
So they had a line of chips that could have worked on their Z one 70 and Z two 70 boards.
And Intel decided to say, no, they're not compatible.
And because while some boards would have worked and that was proven enthusiast members of
the community got coffee, like chips working by spoofing IDs or masking pins or doing whatever
funny things that the community does.
I love you guys so much.
You're amazing.
So they actually made coffee like chips work on previous generation boards.
And so I guess this is just, so I said that at the beginning of the show, but I'm actually
not sure that I agree with it anymore because fully feel the same.
Yeah.
There's a bit of a difference in the way that they handled it.
So AMD still has time to pull an Intel on this and lock it down, like manually lock
it down, which is what Intel did.
But the stance that AMD is taking here is not actually that different where they're
saying, look, because we don't want to create confusion in the, in the marketplace, we're
just going to say X five 70.
Yes.
Everything else.
No, that's it.
And that's exactly what Intel did because there were previous generation boards that
wouldn't work with it either because the VRM design wasn't good enough or any other number
of reasons they said, well then nothing because our compatibility matrix cannot be that complicated
because you've got to remember.
And this is a little funky.
You would kind of expect top of the line ROG boards to support it.
And the fact that they don't is weird and kind of confusing.
Yeah.
The fact that the lower end one, the fact that the like tough and prime boards do.
It's like, okay.
So by keeping the message simple, Hey, the new gen works.
The old one doesn't.
You avoid ticking off the customer who just spent $400 on a crosshair, whatever, and now
has less functionality today than the B four 50 guy, then the B four 50 guy that saved
a buck last time.
Which like, I mean, that's great and it's cool that they have support, but I totally
understand why this would be confusing.
It's like the inverse of what you'd expect and keeping the messaging clean can be the
best bet a lot of the time because, um, I mean a perfect example of this is giveaways.
You guys might've noticed we don't do a lot of giveaways on our channel.
The reason for that is that for every one person that you make happy, you piss off 10,000.
Oh yeah.
And so for someone like an Intel or an AMD for every one enthusiast that they make happy
by enabling this feature and Optane was another one where it could have been backported to
older generation boards, but they didn't because they didn't want to make it confusing for
every enthusiast that you please out of the last generation, you are going to create a
bunch of confusion with normies who don't understand why their stuff doesn't work.
Um, so I get it, but I also think AMD so far has been better about this in that they are
at least allowing it to work rather than manually locking it off.
Um, yeah, so something interesting how you talked about like enabling things can sometimes
be bad, doing giveaways can sometimes be bad, interesting random little tidbit.
We added casting to the app, but it was in a known somewhat buggy state, but it would
probably work for a lot of people and we were like, Oh, we can release this version.
It says that it's an alpha.
Every single time we release a new version of the app, there's a big pop up talking about
everything and we say specifically in there casting might be buggy average ratings for
the app went down when we added casting as a feature because people were like, Hey, casting
doesn't work.
Bam.
Get wrecked.
Instead of people going like, Oh, five star, it'll be cool when more features come.
Now they're going like, feature got here.
Didn't fully work.
Even though you said it might not get wrecked.
And it's like, it's interesting.
I'm not complaining.
It's just an interesting observation that sometimes giving people something is not actually
great because if it doesn't work properly or if someone else doesn't get it or whatever,
it's going to create animosity.
And that makes sense.
Um, it was just, it was a really interesting observation.
So you can be app.
I'm going to throw this in here really quick iOS app is like very much on the way.
It just takes so much longer to do anything in relation to Apple than it does with Google.
Holy crap.
Our app has to be manually reviewed by like a person and I have to like give them a write
up explaining the app and how it works and all this kind of stuff that they have to read
before it can be test flighted for like not even actual release.
And then we have to do that and then we're going to have to actually release it at which
point I believe it has to be manually reviewed again, but I'm not certain on that.
And it's going to take like a few business days to get manually reviewed.
So it's coming.
I don't know exactly when, cause it's kind of in their court, but it's on the way.
Yeah.
All right.
Want to go play some video games?
Yeah, let's do it.
All right.
So food's here.
Yeah.
Heck yeah.
All right.
So we're heading to the lounge.
Good night, ladies and gentlemen.
See you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Hey, wait, you're going to do something next week.
Should people be like looking out for you there?
I'll be at IEM.
Chicago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Luke's going to be there.
Intel sponsoring you.
Yeah.
If I recall correctly.
So I don't, I think I'm building a computer or something.
You're doing some streams I think in panels.
Cool.
So guys check him out.
He's going to be at IEM in Chicago.
Don't miss it.
He's going to be at IEM in Chicago.
Yeah.
Otherwise I'm not going to say like get on a flight to see this guy because you're going
to do that.
Come to LTS.
Yeah.
I was literally just going to say.
All right.
We'll see you guys next week.