Maybe live? Maybe live, I sure hope so. Welcome to the show today guys. We figured out some
of the issues ahead of time, like where we were going to stream from, as you can see
Kingston has gone ahead and decorated our streaming set with a whole bunch of their
cute little, you know, Rex head things that they got going on here. We figured out an
internet connection, we've actually got a 50 up, 50 down connection, so that was no
problem, but what we didn't figure out was that, well a couple of things, I forgot the
AC adapter for my laptop, which is fully set up and configured for streaming. I asked for
a USB microphone to be brought. Actually you asked for a suggestion from the camera and
editing people and they suggested XLR and then we took XLR, just to clarify. Ok, well
my suggestion before their suggestion was grabbing a USB one because we know it works,
so we brought an XLR microphone which as we know from past experience does not work in
both channels with our particular camera, so the way we've actually got it set up here
is we've got a stereo microphone set up, so we're plugged into both XLR inputs on our
camera, so the viewers on the one side, actually this is kind of cool, maybe we should do it
this way from now on, because viewers on one side can hear me, as if I'm sitting on that
side of the screen. I think they're still probably both closer to you. Well no no, yeah
but do it properly, yeah. So there you go guys, we are finally live, we are at the show,
it has been a heck of a week so far, and this is going to be a bit of a special episode,
it's special in the sense that we don't have our lower third, it's special in the sense
that we don't have screen. Especially since there's the lack of preparation. Yes, yes
so this episode. I was going to trash on it like immediately. Is all about helping you
guys appreciate the usual quality standards, and timeliness of the web show. This time
I mean we're late by 50 minutes, usually we're late by like 30 minutes, so like I mean that
makes our usual look so much better. Yeah, see right guys? And yes, this will come on
YouTube later at some point, I have no idea how it figures into the release schedule because
as you guys have probably noticed, we've been releasing about a video every three hours
since we arrived at the show, and that is exactly what we're going to talk about today
on the stream is, what has been going on and what have been the highlights so far. I'm
going to drop right into this, have you seen that crazy Chinese car? No. The electric car,
1000 horsepower, over 200 miles per hour? No I did not. You haven't seen the Faraday
car? No I have not. Okay, I'm going to drop into this immediately. Looks like Batmobile,
100%, looks ridiculous, has over 1000 horsepower, can go over 200 miles an hour, is an electric
car, just ridiculous. Some crazy Chinese entrepreneur company thing dumped huge amounts of money
into this, and the idea is that the platform, much like Tesla did, they were like, look
the Roadster, and now they're changing to other things. It's the platform that they're
really trying to show off, the crazy 1000 horsepower electric car is mainly just to
pull people in and obviously get huge amounts of people talking about it, because that's
exactly what happened, but the main thing they're showing off, if you watch their monitors
and stuff, is that they have a modular platform, and they want to turn this into other vehicles.
So yeah. Very very interesting, yeah I'm looking at it, it's got kind of a, it's got kind of
a, like Hot Wheels, Batmobile, kind of something going on. Yeah it looks like the Batmobile
and a Lambo had a baby. Yeah, like a little bit less aggressive than a Batmobile, a little
bit more aggressive than a Lambo. Man that is a very interesting looking vehicle, so
it can go from, this is great, so in theory, a 1000 horsepower machine of this weight could
use its 4 electric motors at each wheel to hit 60 miles per hour in 3 seconds. But that
of course will remain purely theoretical, so Faraday has already committed, it's really
interesting that they went with Faraday for the name of the company. Wow, okay, they have
already committed to building a 1 billion dollar factory outside of Las Vegas. Real
close to Elon Musk's Gigafactory. Thanks in part to 335 million dollars in incentives
from the states, and they are actually just weeks away from breaking, sorry the states,
the state of Nevada, so they're actually just weeks away from breaking ground on that project.
I love how fast we ditched screen sharing here, I guess that was probably just my fault
completely, my bad everyone, I'll stop leaning over and start doing work. Which side are
you on, Yahoo? Yeah, are we done now? Yeah, I think we're kind of done. But yeah, I was
on my way to Chiro, and I've heard of this, I've talked to a few people about this, I've
been talking about it on Twitter, I talked to a few different taxi drivers about it,
like I've been around, and then walking to Chiro I was like, oh Faraday, and then looked
over and their entire booth was like completely packed. And it was the only booth that I saw
like multiple people filming all at once. I think this might be the biggest thing from
CES this year. There's still a lot of time for this to be a complete bust. Oh yeah. There's
tons of time for electric which is still not even beginning to be established as a mainstream
technology, there's still a lot of time for the traditional auto makers to kind of go,
okay well, alright I guess we better get our crap in here. I mean actually one of the things
that I've had the most fun with here at the show has been BMW. So I test drove the i8,
and I also got a chance to check out some of the concepts that they have for touchless
control inside the car. At the same time, I totally hear what you're saying, and I agree
to a large degree, but at the same time I think I'm not surprised that this is happening
because if there was any time for a new player to jump into the auto space, it's probably
on the tail of electric. Yeah, oh definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean that's when
there's a huge fundamental change that occurs, that's when there's time for others to get
more competitive. The ground equals out a little bit more. Yeah, I mean a perfect example
would be something like, let's say that the YouTube video sharing platform completely
disappeared overnight. You know, for whatever the new platform is, we're at an advantage
still because we have that viewership that is going to be out there looking for us, but
oh I just realized we never tweeted that we're live. Yeah, we didn't do a pre-show. Yeah,
well this has been definitely, it's all about helping them appreciate what we normally do.
So while we are still sort of building up an audience on a new platform, that's a perfect
time for someone else to come in, be really competitive, be really awesome, and basically
leave us in the dust. It doesn't mean that we're down for the count by any stretch of
the imagination, but like you're saying, it just means that there's more of an opportunity
and a major platform shift like this where a lot of the existing ecosystem, I mean let's
face it, beyond molding for interiors and sources for leather and metal and being able
to create body components, okay there's a lot of stuff that can be reused, but a lot
of the science behind it, a lot of the engineering behind it, and a lot of the facilities to
build this stuff, I mean an entire facility dedicated to building gasoline or diesel engines
is all of a sudden not an advantage. It's not a problem, and you could certainly retrofit
it, it's not like the facility is all of a sudden garbage, it's just not nearly the same
kind of advantage that you would have had when every car was going to have a gasoline
or a diesel engine in it. Basically guaranteed. Basically guaranteed, and all of the business
advantages and economies of scale that go with having a production line that is running
at X capacity all the time and you've got this predictable flow of how many workers
you know you need versus like, oh it's this completely new category, we don't know how
much infrastructure to build up, we still have to figure out the costing on it, we have
to figure out. Demand is still questionable. Demand is a huge question and you're an established
automaker, you're not allowed to be just sitting around losing money, you have shareholders
who expect you to be making money because you've been around for a hundred years, whereas
a new company coming in, the expectation is like everyone applauds, like hey we lost only
you know twenty million this year, it's like woah yeah what an improvement, yeah! So it's
a completely different standard as well. I'm going to do this tweet so do you want to jump
into whatever our next topic here is? Yeah, I still find it weird that we have topics.
BMW AirTouch 3D, you probably know things about that. Yeah, so that was what I was talking
about that they were doing, I really like the concept that they have behind their, the
electric stuff that they're showing off, so that was the, what do they call it, like i8
future concept something, something, yeah i, iVision future interaction. I was like
okay. That's a hell of a name. Yeah, that's a cool name, but there is some really neat
stuff about it, so it's got this like super wide panoramic display and then it's got a
dual layer display right in front of the driver and then it's got a heads up display that
is visible as you're looking through the windshield and then the way that you interact with all
of this equipment is actually kind of like as if the panoramic display was a touchscreen
except that you just kind of gesture in the air and you kind of go like this and like
that. The video is already up for it but the thing that stood out to me most about it aside
from you know the, I really liked the dual layer display, I haven't actually seen that
practically applied in any meaningful way yet and it was really cool so it would have
like topographical information on the rear display and your route information, speed
and other details on the front display like overlaid in a way that as things moved around
and shifted looked really cool and futuristic but looked cool and futuristic in a way that
wasn't compromising the functionality of the thing like what we see so often with a concept
device or vehicle or whatever else but the thing that stood out to me the most about
it aside from that was when you sat in it the seat was really comfortable like really
comfortable you kind of sink into it you lean back and you're holding onto the steering
wheel facing forward. I like the live action demonstration. But also very comfortable to
kind of shift your butt about you know 20 degrees put an arm on the very wide middle
armrest obviously designed for two middle armrests and have a conversation because that
concept car would be a concept of a fully self-driving car. So they're kind of sitting
there going yeah we don't want to sacrifice the ultimate driving experience because driving
is a verb and you're the driver you drive the car it's driving there they don't want
you to their whole tagline ultimate driving experience they don't want you to not be able
to drive the car and have a great time so it's not a couch on wheels but it also really
did think about. Those do exist. You know conversing between the passenger and driver
just kind of looking at each other got a video playing on the dash while the car drives itself
as well which I don't know I just I thought that was I thought that was really cool. Now
we just need self-driving coaches on wheels. Hey I'm taking it one step further I'm going
with the Homer Simpson dream sequence where he's got the flying bed. Oh yeah yeah yeah
yes and I want cherubs sort of holding on to each of each of the bed posts and kind
of carrying me off to wherever it is that I need to go. I want to take this I want to
take this opportunity to get you guys to tweet at Linus Tech let me know if there's anything
that you guys want us to talk about and while you guys are tweeting at us we've actually
got a couple of special special guests that wanted to come and just kind of say hi these
guys helped us out a lot a lot this this year so I'm going to I'm going to move my chair
over here I'm actually just going to like super ghetto widen the shot over there and
these guys can squeeze into the middle. Luke and I will just have to yell so you can hear
us. It'll be alright. How many systems do you guys have here? I think we have seven.
Yeah seven this year. We cut way back. How many did you have last year? Like 12. Oh my
goodness okay I thought you were joking. No we had like 12 so yeah we got a little sleep
this year actually before we came so that was different. The truck was completely packed
the seven gamer system everything all the night before and then in the shop ready for
sleep. Okay so come come on come on in a little bit closer here guys I think we're all so
so this is Bob Stewart and Rod Rosenberg of BS mods and you guys will probably recognize
them if you ever watched that mod 24 contest that Luke and I sort of emceed slash hosted
these guys shuffle over a little bit yeah these guys did end up winning the thing but
they do far more than just build you know white and green themed machines around the
GTX 980 and I'd love to hear from you guys what has been the highlight of the show for
you so far? You know we spent a lot of time looking at cases surprisingly. Yeah really
cases surprising cases yeah fascinating. So a couple cases that we want to see right away
what's Inwind doing because they do some pretty remarkable stuff signature and whatnot they
did anything interesting this year? A boat! That's not Inwind. So Inwind's got a brand
new what was the name? The signature series? Yeah. I don't remember it's actually an H-frame.
H-frame 2. Yeah it's the H-frame series. And you know remarkable lighting and a custom
power supply size. Oh yeah yeah. A custom power supply. And a windowed power supply.
Yeah with a lit power supply. It's the same idea as the TAO where if the lights on the
inside of the power supply are not on it looks like a mirror. But when the light is on you
can see on the inside so you can see all the internal components of the power supply. It's
actually pretty sick. And it's designed to you can only get it if you buy that case it's
designed to go with that case so the aesthetic is the same. Which is great if the power supply
ever fails in the future and you're looking to replace it. Yeah it only fits in that case.
That seems like a good idea. What else have you guys seen on the case side of things?
I mean honestly it's been pretty quiet from my perspective. Well we saw some well there's
you know every year there's new things that's why we're here but I think we saw the deep
cool sweet they had some really unique things going on there. And then Leon Lee with the
prototype builds of the the boats you know and so those were kind of cool too we had
some ideas when we saw those that we'd like to you know turn them into battleships or
you know just something cool. I like the Coast Guard idea. Yeah Coast Guard yeah you know
maybe do Coast Guard theme you know there's a lot you could do with them really so those
were pretty awesome. Okay so here squeeze in a bit more so you guys are sitting right
at the table. Okay so these guys did us a huge huge favor. Keep squeezing. Okay these
guys did us a huge favor because I am fairly certain that if we had shipped seven gamers
one CPU down to Vegas we it was not going to get here in one piece in fact one of their
fellow fellow modders Travis Jank had a system completely destroyed in shipping. Incidentally
a system that was in the same case that we used for seven gamers one CPU like what were
you saying bootmarks? Yeah bootmarks on the box when they got it it had shoe marks all
over it like somebody used it as like a booster or something to climb up a wall or who knows
what but it was destroyed. On the very stout Case Labs case they've got the pressed in
pieces to allow the panels to attach and those ripped out and so panels are tweaked motherboard
tray bent just I mean totaled. And a missing stick of memory. Gone not in the box not underneath
the box not stuck to tape. It's great because our viewers give me so much crap for harping
on case manufacturers about packing material but you guys get it right you guys understand
how important is the packing material when you decide to buy a case if you are having
a system built in it before it is shipped to you. Yeah shipping a loaded chassis no
packing material seems to be designed for it. Well yeah the packing material is actually
just made for the empty case yeah so that's what it's designed for once it's been built
if you just you know do ship it somewhere it's not designed for that extra weight so
there's a chance something can happen so we usually try to build wooden crates and that
fit that particular build you know and that saved us although we've got some builds back
that the wooden crate was taped together hoping that it would hold together so you know that
stuff happens. Okay so I've been meaning to ask you guys this. Uh oh. Give me a score
out of ten. Oh I know what's coming. On Seven Gamers One CPU. I want to know what you guys
think. Um on as an overall. You can decide. No let's say on the physical build. The physical
build. Give me a score out of ten. I want you on a slot. How'd I do? Can that camera
pick up my face turning red right now? It's like I don't know. You go first Rob. Alright
I think I'm going to go with a seven. A seven? That's actually more generous than I was expecting.
The SSDs were done well. Yeah it's double stick tape. We love that stuff too. But you've
got the full window. You've got a nice display of an impressive array of SSDs. You've got
a theme that runs throughout. It's got paint. It's got tubing. It's got cables that all
tie together. It's got fans. Custom fans. I mean who can't love those Noctua fans so.
Once you don't have the Linus Tech Tips Edition one that's who. So I think it was well done.
I would love. Hold on that's the next question. Okay. So you've got to give me a score too.
So I'm going to give you a seven point five. Oh wow. So are you just like are you kissing
up at this point? Yeah yeah yeah. No just for that half of an extra brownie point. No
actually that thing was really clean you know. We we are very particular with every build
we do. So we make sure that all the wires are running correctly and super tight and
shortened to the right length and you know stuff like that. The one thing I can say that
you guys maybe should have done is added some lighting inside the case. So I didn't see
that. And it was nice that you went with a two tone. So you had a little bit of extra
you know a little bit of extra flavor there so some different colors mixing it up a little
bit. That was good. But the layout was great. Everything it was just no actually you guys
did a really nice job. So yeah I think seven point five is probably right on the money
for for us. I mean if you have one of our paint jobs you know of course the score would
go way up there. You know it's like no it was a great job. Brownie points, set of motion,
the rest of us got everything under control. Okay okay okay so I can't take credit for
the extra half a point because I came to Luke and I said Luke orange or black for the tubing
and Luke goes half and half and I'm like safe answer. Well no I don't consider that a safe
answer. I think black is a safe answer. Yeah for sure. Black would be the safest of the
three choices with probably all orange being the most kind of out there but I kind of went
no no no no pick one and he goes no you've got the black and orange in the cabling you
have to go black and orange in the tubing. I'm like well hold on a second we've got we
we've got other orange accents we've got the orange accents on the fans you know what about
those orange accents is that enough? He goes no. Well also because the fans were black
and orange and the cables were black and orange and everything else was black and orange and
we wanted the tubing just to be one. Do you guys ever go along? Do you ever like just
get along and like agree on anything or is it always like? We get along but we're like
he's a car that's driving right and I'm a car that's driving left so we just go bwah
bwah. You're kind of you're just stuck there like you're kind of. That's how we make progress.
Yeah exactly yeah. You know other people would tell you you know you're all going to drive
in the same direction. Right right. We would tell you you just kind of like you know ram
up against the guy next to you and kind of it might not be as efficient. But sometimes
you cinch on and then both motors help. No I actually don't think it is that way. But
that's very very very good. I tried physics. Okay Ron what would you have done differently?
I got to add the hardline. Oh you really you're going to rag on me about the hardline. You
know but it was a great job with tubing and hardline is not everything but with the two
CPU's and the fact that you've got that excellent seven way block you know I just think the
hardline would have just put the build over the top. Okay so hardline and lighting and
then what do I get without a bs mods paint job? Oh without the paint job? The paint job
turns it up to 11. Oh man I'd say hardline and lighting. I'd say an extra full point
eight and a half. Okay all right. Okay that's good to know. I know what to strive for next
time. I am probably not going to end up doing hardline anytime soon. Did you guys see my
personal rig update yet? I have not seen it yet. Okay so that's only over on Vessel and
you guys are going to cringe. Oh great. So freaking hard on that video because I went
into it thinking okay I'm doing hardline tubing on this and I'm like look I get out the heat
gun and I get out the the monsoon bending kit and I get out the all the blocks and everything
I go and I put I put the GTX Titan X in the top and then I put the Intel 750 SSD in another
slot and I go oh yeah. Hold on a second. How am I going to get a bend between this full
height card with a water block and this half height card with a water block and not have
the bottom card interfere with the bottom of the case when I try and get a right angle
bend out of it. So tell me so so so anyway so from there I go and I'm like okay we have
to do soft tubing but I didn't account for this and so none of my fittings are going
to are going to fit like this is a for you chassis it doesn't even have the same width
as some some some tower chassis when you're coming off the graphics card and the so yeah
so when you're coming off even the even the reservoir I was having trouble with the bends
so I end up digging up these like you know remember that kind of rusty blood red that
bits power had right I end up digging those out for a black and blue themed build otherwise
and I'm like okay I've got some 90s and some 45s like maybe maybe I can make this work
and then finally I find a couple of 90 silvers and I'm like okay maybe I'll just go with
my ancient true silvers the old silver plate works on everything yeah like oldies but I
believe they're goodies and that is exactly how old people think and then I end up I end
up actually using a heat guy the heat gun to bend soft tubing right in order to get
extra little twist to it so you end up with that weird angle coming out of the fitting
kind of like this instead of coming out straight and bending nicely but you know you got I
don't want to score from you guys on that one all right yeah we'll we'll not do that
if you want to watch the train wreck then go ahead go ahead and enjoy it it's in my
plans yeah we will we will definitely okay so the last thing here is this is something
that we've kind of been kind of been kicking around internally and something that I know
that you guys have expressed interest in but I'd love to hear from the audience we have
never done like whether it's whether it's like a tech showdown style build-off or whether
it's a scrapyard Wars we have never done anything like that with a team battle so we're formally
inviting you guys to participate with us but we are going to leave this up to the audience
is this like a rap battle slash mod battle or do you want to see me and Luke get destroyed
by these guys cars bumping or do you want to see Luke and I each pick who we think is
the best of bs mods oh wow and split the two dream teams and make them compete against
each other oh man so I'm gonna create a Twitter poll here guys and yeah we're gonna we're
gonna do this here we go so you guys have been you guys have been working on this haven't
you just didn't pull that out of the hat which team decision was out of the head oh the team
battle was not really okay okay so I'm creating this so Linus and Luke versus bs mods oh well
I guess you guys are just bsm there you go there you go or actually here no let's just
do LMG versus bs mods or split the teams okay all right all right let's let's tweet this
let's tweet this puppy and let's let's have a look at those at those results as they come
in I will share that link with you guys in the twitch chat here I need you all to vote
and I need you guys to be serious here okay because this could determine although I retain
my veto powers this could determine how this is going to go down so in the meantime why
don't we go back to back to sort of the regular Twitter boards here and see what you guys
have submitted that you'd like us to talk about from the show so oh man of course the
the entire the entire Twitter feed is full of like team team battle scrapyard wars team
battle tech showdown okay so Jordan Layton asks what's up with the 8k stuff there at
a certain point isn't more K's just useless have you spent much time on the show do you
see any of the 8k stuff I have seen zero okay have you guys seen any 8k stuff this year
we did see a couple what do you think if you're going big I mean these huge displays you know
80 plus inches 8k is cool but where do you get content yeah that's you know yeah those
demos look so beautiful on these ultra thin screens and it's like okay I don't think this
network's quite pumping 8k well you just watch those demos and loop over and over and over
I mean now I'm kind of offended by this to be perfectly honest because I'd like to point
out to you guys that there are a lot of you know great YouTube creators out there okay
making a lot of great content right and YouTube actually does support 8k at this time it doesn't
look any better than you know a blu-ray at 1080p yeah because of the bitrate but I'm
still gonna sit here and be offended because that's the kind of guy I am you got your 8k
camera I did it yeah okay so so in response to Jordan I mean my whole take on 8k is that
unless you are unless we're talking about 8k displays that sit about this far in front
of your face in a VR headset I'm really not that interested because even 720p to 1080p
I can really tell like that's that's that's very noticeable to me definitely but it's
not like the jump from you know 480p to 720p either the difference between watching a DVD
versus a 720 or 480 yeah yes so the difference between a 480p DVD and a 720p video is huge
the difference between 720p and 1080p is definitely more enjoyable and I'm talking on like a 55
inch TV in a normal sized living room like what like what 90 99% of people are at or
below right now and the jump from 1080p to 4k is like oh yeah I can see it but by the
first you know three minutes of the movie that I'm watching I've completely forgotten
about it yeah definitely because that's what movies are you know watching a movie unless
you're some kind of you know cinema equipment buff like Brandon is not about the technique
but they used to it's and even for him it's not about the resolution so the only people
that care about that there's the guys that sit down and watch a movie for the escapism
and that's I think most people then there's the guys that are getting into the techniques
behind it and then there's the guys who are just straight gear heads and just want to
know that a higher number camera and more of those cameras was used to make it sorry
they shot it enough 4k stereo 3d no that's not good enough we need 6k stereo 3d I mean
the reality of it is is one of the most popular digital cameras digital film cameras in Hollywood
right now the aria Alexa is a 2.5k camera that image is considered acceptable by Hollywood
directors who are you know super easy to please with with the equipment that they use and
super you know flexible and that stuff that's considered good enough for a movie theater
and I bet you didn't notice so I'm personally not sold on 8k with that said I think that
for for very very closely positioned displays particularly for VR it cannot come soon enough
and I love that the displays are coming so that the display interface technology can
catch up so that the content ecosystem can be built so it can become mainstream so people
can demand it and they can feel like oh if we make this then people will think we're
a cool company I look forward to all that stuff but not for not so that I can have an
8k TV just so you guys know right now we're waiting for another update on the polls but
currently it's 52 percent oh really that's it was sitting 50 50 for a long time currently
it's 52 48 currently leaning towards LMG versus man it's interesting all right oh down you
know we still got to remain friends after this so we got to make sure it's like Mario
Party man we cut ties Jordan also asked what happened in the ASUS booth you seemed pretty
salty oh I love those guys they're great guys no salt no salt whatsoever I do not like going
to shows and being shown something that people won't tell me what it is because I want to
bring you guys the most complete information that I can but the only reason that laptop
drove me so crazy was that it surprised me they were doing something I didn't understand
that form factor and that CPU should not have been running continuously without throttling
and they were really smug they were super smug they were like I asked about it and everyone
in the booth turned to me went it's not quite how I wasn't salty but I was pushing them
pretty hard including pressuring them publicly through the video to tell me what's up so
I could tell you guys they they wouldn't they didn't and I can't tell you anything other
than that that looks like a very impressive little notebook okay Luke your thoughts on
eGPU technology is it becoming viable for the average consumer now that we have USB
3.1 slash Thunderbolt I haven't actually seen many of those devices here I've literally
seen zero gigabyte had one I did not see it or excuse me MSI MSI had one they didn't charge
me on there oh it was over on the system side you were focused on component over there okay
okay okay okay to be completely fair I've seen none of the new ones so not very many
of them do you want me to do you want me to kind of like describe what what has your systems
at the show yeah okay so so I saw a couple of them I saw razors core which is quite small
beautiful aluminum construction man did they ever nail that yes very very nice how thick
is that aluminum is that three four mil yeah probably probably three mil really really
thick and they've made it tool-less so you can actually just pop out a handle shoot you
slide the whole thing out like it feels kind of like a like a server blade or something
like you kind of slide the whole thing out and you can change out the graphics card shoot
click back in like really really nice the one thing that's not ready yet is both a sues
and razor talking about hot plug okay hot plug PCI Express is not easy it's not simple
it requires BIOS cooperation it requires driver cooperation on both Nvidia side and Intel
side it is not simple and for both of them I basically yanked out the cords crashed the
systems and was like okay so it's not working yet and they're like no but by the time the
product comes and I think they're both looking at sort of the next two to four months timeframe
they're both expecting to have it working because that was one of the things that was
kind of kludgy about the GS 30 shadow and the size like giant dock thing that their
laptop went on top of was that you had to shut down the system in order to switch modes
and then turn it back on MSI actually has a new dock so that's the third one that I
saw this year which is not USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt so their new dock is much slimmer it's much
better looking but it still has that same connector so it's actually forward and backwards
compatible is my understanding and will work with multiple different notebooks from their
lineup their solution has a couple of advantages number one is that it's PCIe 16x as if anyone
really cares about that because the performance is not a really a factor PCIe 3.0 4x is just
fine for an external GPU but they are sticking with that large like more than PCIe shape
connector so that they can have additional devices that operate in the dock so that they
can have that full bandwidth and they are willing to trade off the ability to hot plug
it because I think from their perspective the user should not be hot plugging a GPU
at this point in time so MSI who I considered a front runner in external graphics cards
on laptops back when we covered the GS 30 shadow last year is kind of going well hold
on everybody let's slow down I don't think we're ready for this another thing that I
really need to know before I can talk about how amazing this is is what is interoperability
going to look like Razer wasn't quite as cagey as Asus about this where Razer said we're
validating on the Blade Stealth and if it works on other stuff great Asus is maybe thinking
about locking it down so it would only work on at you know presumably an ROG but it would
only work on an Asus laptop with USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3 and the size is obviously completely
proprietary and if it's tied down to this model of laptop or this brand of laptop then
it takes away a lot of the a lot of the benefit of swappable graphics which is that you can
upgrade your system kind of piecemeal as you go hey I need more GPU horsepower now and
then all my GPUs actually still okay but maybe it's time for time to trade in the old laptop
if that's not an option then I think that really hurts the solution with the final piece
of the puzzle being price no one is talking about it so Luke you remember back when we
did that NAGMA 3T thing right so we covered an old thunderbolt like quite large like the
width of a shoebox thing but actually accepted three add-in cards and I had understood because
I was wrong but it would work with graphics cards and that thing was like $900 neither
Razer nor Asus would comment on price other than to I got kind of a vibe from min at Razer
that the core should be less than that did you start at one and go is it two is it three
is it four no I had a poor strategy going into it I started at that thing was $899 and
you went okay it's not that which actually doesn't even necessarily mean cheaper now
that I think about it is this an update we're at almost 2,000 votes it's now 55 45 wow that's
closer than I thought I thought everybody goes straight up just like let's tear them
apart you know really so they want to see LMG versus BS mods very interesting we tried
Linus so they just was a good run they like to see me eat humble pot oh okay this question
is from Kylie Kiefer when can we get the WAN hoodies that I am wearing by the way all LMG
staff are now equipped with with the Linus Tech Tips WAN hoodies we actually had them
bring a few early samples to the show so we could wear them in the videos and wear them
out about as kind of like a team uniform thank you thank you hoodie model three that's straight
up gangsta right there do you know when the shipments arrive like do we know I'm getting
I'm getting the old so it's better to promise nothing and deliver something eventually than
to promise a date and even deliver something eventually after that date so we're gonna
go with Dunno we're definitely gonna have more Noctua fans in a couple of months and
if the WAN hoodie which by the way like I apologize but it was expensive to make and
there's a lot of logistics that goes into it there's margins for the resellers the WAN
hoodie is going to be $99 US if the WAN hoodie is a success for us I will promise that you
guys will see more stuff like this in the future from us because we think there's really
a lot more to to our merch than just printing a logo on a t-shirt and we want to really
explore some of the other cool ideas that especially Edsel has for stuff that we can
do have you guys like seen it yet it looks I was just admiring it looks pretty high quality
good thread count you know I mean Egyptian cotton yeah right what is this what is this
silk yeah right Luke do you want to talk about the HTC Vive the Vive made a lot of big changes
I haven't actually been able to meet with HTC yet but you tried it though I have tried
it in the paint application which is actually actually a good demo I know it sounds boring
but the paint application you get to move around in 3d space and basically you have
a brush yeah have you tried the new vibe on it yeah yeah what did you guys think I love
it it's awesome a long time I mean he spends a lot of time in the paint booth already yeah
but I had some fun out of the virtual paint booth Bob was like gone I created a whole
like campground with like grass and a tree it's a fire and a sign and all kinds of so
they give you crazy effects and stuff the reason why I think the paint demo is actually
really good for a five and the reason why a lot of people give the paint demo is because
you can move around in 3d space with the sensors being spaced out and you can paint wherever
you want with the controllers so like you said make a campground you could probably
walk through the oh yeah it's just like as if you could spray paint into the air and
have it stick to the air right there it is and just then you can just move all around
and paint is crazy basically yeah yeah so amazing they've made some changes this is
the part that I don't know about so met with them yet there's now a camera on the front
of the five right I'm not entirely sure what the intention for that is oh there's a lot
of different ideas people are throwing around one of them is like literally so if someone
calls you on your computer you could like pass through and then see what's going on
or if you're still worried about the bounds of the sensors and you're like I really feel
like I'm going to run into something you could pass through and check what's in front of
you without taking it off and having to realign and maybe you smudged a lens with your oily
hair and now you have to clean it or something like that right it's genuinely annoying so
maybe nice for a pass through the controllers though I don't know what's going on with controllers
before the controllers were a like touch pad on the top very standard setup now it's still
a touch pad but there's this ring yeah and I have no idea what the rings about I'm wondering
if it's trying to up the accuracy when you're on tilt and stuff I thought like when you
twisted it that might be what it was for and it seemed to be accurate that way it did seem
to be very accurate and it had less jumping and disconnects than the previous controllers
did very smooth but like that's a crazy design so I don't know I still need to meet with
HTC to figure out what the heck they're doing what's the helmets on though you don't you
don't see it so you know no yeah I know things yeah so it feels like the only one I'm just
wondering I don't think it's a bad thing I'm just wondering why they decided to do it yeah
and it seems to be more accurate so that's great I'm just wondering what the theory behind
it is or if that's all there is there might be something more I don't really worry about
that too much because I figure you know you already look weird anyway walking around something
on your head so you know what it doesn't matter exactly but yeah no I'm sure there's a reason
for it one of the biggest things I noticed here though was a lot of people have been
fighting about exclusives over the VR headsets I haven't weighed in that a ton because they're
not out yet and we're not seeing what's going on I think I kind of really get it now the
demos that you're seeing that are really good on the Vive but even that aren't exclusive
are not the demos that you're seeing that are really good on the Oculus they're different
strengths they're better at different things and I don't even really care about the exclusives
a lot of those games I wouldn't want to play on the other one anyways right so okay I'm
gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna cut this topic in half with a shout out for Squarespace for
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Luke so let's go back to the follow-up question this one is actually from 10 day 10 day dongo
that cannot be a real name and if it is cool man so so you just said you left off as a
refresher you left off saying the excluded the exclusive titles here I wouldn't necessarily
even want to play here so then what I gather from that is that much like many hardcore
console gamers would obviously own a Wii U a PlayStation 4 and an Xbox one hold on I'm
going somewhere with this okay is your and it's a two-part question is your expectation
that you and other hardcore VR enthusiasts are just gonna have to pony up and buy both
or or all and part two of the question is so let's talk about then about how much that's
gonna cost now that we know the price of the oculus rift and there's interesting debate
on the price of the oculus rift and I might not be on the side that everyone necessarily
thinks I'm on I'm not even really on a side I think there's fair arguments for both yes
and no especially looking at the New York apartment argument which is people don't have
as much space as they used to wherever you happen to be but especially in a New York
department the vibe is actually a really difficult sell I've seen very awesome demos on the vibe
like incredible demos the Everest demo that Nvidia has been showing off like super cool
if you can get a setup in your house where you have like an icebox behind a fan and you
wear like a parka and you do the Everest demo no seriously it's awesome because they used
actual footage from Everest it's it's not like a random with some guy tried to see how
accurately he could recreate it like you're on Everest and it's the high really high resolution
screen it's it's amazing but you need a lot of space for that so I don't think the adoption
is going to be as high and I think a lot of it's going to come down to someone going oh
I have the space to be able to get a vibe maybe I'm going to do that or someone going
I kind of need a seated experience that just has a little sensor in front of me I'm going
to get a rift and then some people being like Yolo I have enough space and gratuitous amounts
of money I'm going to buy both I think buying both and have a gaming rig having a gaming
rink that's fast enough is going to be a little bit of a hard sell for the average person
because that's a lot of money because I don't see the vibe being that much cheaper or cheaper
at all I don't know okay so then now that you've said that you don't see the vibe being
cheaper talk about talk about $5.99 $5.99 is expensive and I know oculus talked early on
about how they're trying to not make like they're not going in to make huge amounts
of money on headset and I know the development kits were cheaper but if you line them all
up and you look at the years that they've been out for I know it's been a while since
development kit one but you pick up development kit one and it feels like crap it feels clunky
the screen is terrible nothing fits very well the velcro straps are like basically literally
from a ski mask like it's the bomb cost isn't that high you go to dk2 it steps up a lot
it gets a lot better but there's still some problems there's still a bit of weight there
the foam is there's a lot of all over the place you get to consumer version one the
foam is replaceable so that after you have it for a long time if you're sweating into
it or whatever it's not gross the the materials are really good they feel very solid and they're
very light which is an expensive thing to do the sensors in it are very accurate it's
extremely smooth the screen looks great lately everything's really good they have a new sensor
stand which is fantastic all that stuff is great people are complaining about the included
controller the xbox controller not a huge fan about that either I don't really care
I would rather be able to just buy that on its own they're complaining about the included
oculus controller something Palmer has said and I do believe him however is that those
didn't even massively impact the cost of the setup and they aren't making a ton of it on
it and everything that's inside the headset is really expensive now I'm gonna jump I'm
gonna jump in and say yes the headset is really expensive but one thing is cheaper to one
thing that bothers me a little bit is that well that bothers me a little bit but I guess
it's sort of kind of like I told you so you go you guys had this coming I mean oculus
for better or for worse had expectations out there that it was going to cost in the neighborhood
of I think we can all agree we all thought it was going to be two hundred and fifty to
four hundred dollars was that kind of the perception I was I would probably reach three
hundred or four fifty was my expectation so so like yeah I'm not too fit I was gonna say
that but then I figure some people are probably pretty optimistic yeah yeah yeah so from the
Kickstarter campaign and you know from the kind of the way that was structured and from
the way that they talked in the way that they never corrected anybody yeah and I think they
and then yeah even worse that was the expectation that was kind of the number in the backs of
people's heads for better or for worse then when the Facebook acquisition happened a lot
of the justification a lot of the reason we're doing this was to make it more affordable
for everyone so I think people were kind of running around thinking oh well that perception
I had before well maybe now that that Facebook's basically dumping buckets of cash into this
maybe they're just gonna sell them all at a you know a hundred dollar loss maybe I can
pick up an oculus rift for for one ninety nine by the time it launches and I think even
though they never confirmed that either the fact that they let us think something without
coming out and saying look it's gonna be over five hundred dollars because they wanted the
hype train they wanted people to at least talk about it because I know a lot of people
who won't talk about something that costs more than five hundred dollars because it
might as well be a Bentley for them it's true though it's not affordable and I think they
let that happen I think they let that perception remain and they used that PR line about the
Facebook acquisition which I don't think anyone's really upset about anymore in order to smooth
things over with the community and then they drop this bomb on the community oh by the
way it's six hundred US dollars which in Canadian rupees after taxes is gonna be about a thousand
dollars yes seriously it's not true taxes and shipping it's about a grand it will cost
almost as much as a VR capable gaming PC almost as much yeah you need a lot of power side
note super interested into benchmarking for VR that's gonna be actually really fun but
yeah it's I can't disagree with any of that I'm actually not that surprised by its price
once I tried on the consumer version one the first time I immediately knew it was gonna
be way more expensive they ditched certain things and I think this actually came with
it's an interesting point that you talked about the Facebook acquisition I think this
came with the Facebook acquisition but later on I think Facebook wasn't necessarily okay
with the idea of ski goggle straps right because they're super not ski goggle straps anymore
there's this thing that kind of sits on the back of your head and it's great and the velcro
straps are way more high quality now you don't get your hair stuck in them really anymore
like the fit and finish has jumped massive amounts and in talking to people from oculus
you point at something and they're like yeah that material was really expensive like I
don't think they necessarily wanted this to get really expensive but Facebook was probably
going this needs to be social this needs to be comfortable to wear financial analysts
are looking at the I went to BRX financial analysts are looking at this going you need
to be able to come home and play a game for six hours constantly on this thing and then
go to bed fit and finish comfort wearability went through the roof and cost materials went
through the roof right it happened to the vibe to the new version of the vibe that came
out here is way more comfortable than it used to be right way more way less rickety than
it used to be all the stuff in the VR space feels way more solid and feels way more expensive
although I'm thinking that it might be okay for the target customer base before you stab
me it's extremely hard to run a game at acceptable rates for VR and before you say like oh my
computer can run games at 90 fps you're gonna want really high settings and you need 90
fps to be like your minimum it's gonna be really hard you're gonna meet don't need a
badass rig to be able to run this so I don't really see that many people going like hmm
I'm gonna spend this much money on my computer in order to run VR when if the VR headset
was 200 bucks cheaper they would be able to do it right so you're saying anyone who's
got the disposable income to build a dual 980 ti rig can afford an oculus rift or if
someone has that amount of disposable income and they were going to buy a rift I don't
see 200 more dollars being that difficult for them I see 200 more dollars being impossible
for a lot of people right but I think those people might not be having 980 ti rigs multiple
90 ti rigs right maybe they do I don't know this is random speculation that I have the
twitch chat is probably murdering me right now no actually I'm quite surprised it's crazy
the overall cost of a rig when you talk about it's really wide and VR and that's the thing
right now monitors are exploding people are looking at the PG monitor that runs at 165
hertz it's over a grand in Canada yeah so if you can if you compare that ultra wide
experience to maybe I don't go ultra wide and I go VR so then tell me this okay so I
think we can probably put this turning into the VR show um and it is kind of a big deal
at CES this year like the VR section of the show floor is like everywhere okay just kind
of try and move through here um so there's various stages of adoption right now I think
at 600 dollars where it really has zero functionality outside of games and tech demos we're talking
like the same people who are running around buying Google Glass and this is something
that Linus and I used to talk about more but always talk about on the land show which is
maybe you don't buy version one yes version one isn't the killer version yes version one
is the like the people that are crazy about it will probably go for it and have probably
been planning to be going for it for a while and then later and this is again there was
this crazy financial analyst that was at VRX and it was really interesting to hear him
talk he was saying he put up some price ranges he said if it's over a thousand dollars he
doesn't think it's gonna make it if it's high range within a thousand dollars he thinks
there will be hardcore adapters or adopters and hopefully the industry can push forward
which is interesting because that looks like exactly what just happened yeah if it's low
like under 500 bucks he thinks it's gonna be really good but he's not sure if that's
possible and once you get to like a hundred dollars for a capable one no excuse but this
is gonna be way down the line yeah once you're able to buy one of these for a hundred bucks
and it's still a really good experience that's when it explodes so I think there's a stage
in between and that's when it still costs you know six hundred to a thousand dollars
but it's functional beyond just gaming and tech demos and even social interaction like
I think if they know what I'm talking about actually is if because we talk about the ultra
wide monitors and how many of those are moving at seven hundred dollars or or you look back
at any development in monitor technology let's let's treat it like a monitor for a second
whether it's 1440p you know 27 inch when that happened or whether it's ultra wide now or
whether it's 4k that six to seven hundred dollar price point is actually palatable for
creative professionals for high-end consumers and for people who like shiny toys but they
do these aren't the people also who are just like you know whatever so once it has a functionality
beyond games then I think we can talk and if they get the resolution high enough yeah
it can be a virtual monitor because they they have the virtual monitor idea but you're right
the resolution isn't there yet yeah and this is again the maybe the next version thing
so what you're saying is if it's good enough to be like a workhorse if I don't need to
buy it on top of my ultra wide for productivity now you've got my attention especially like
let's say I'm a day trader for example you get the resolution high enough those guys
can never have enough monitors those guys if they can have virtual monitor space all
around your apartment right well you can set up that essentially the the crazy Star Wars
computer thing that everyone loves which is the monitors in a complete circle around them
yeah you could just spin around in your chair yes we have to figure out cables and stuff
but people like oris gigabyte are working on that resolution has to be better but if
you can deliver that then I think that opens up that opens up an in-between stage where
it can still be very expensive but if it does more than just you know what I do for you
know two hours on a Friday night after my kids go to bed then I think you're able
to access a lot more people and to be fair the financial analyst that was talking opened
up with I know nothing about VR right but I do a lot of financial analysis on the tech
space so he doesn't know about the potential for those things and that's a really interesting
bit of input yeah yeah so I don't know I'm not 100% against the cost I'm not happy that
it's a thousand Canadian dollars to get one yeah are you buying one probably sounds like
it I mean I have to because if we're gonna benchmark games in VR like you already bought
the Linus Media Group one right so we unfortunately missed the first shipping window that's a
shame okay I know we had some issues with the credit card anyway that's unfortunately
what caused the miss in the shipping window so Linus Media Group is gonna have one we
are gonna be bringing you guys a proper formal review as soon as we possibly can and now
that we have a PR contact maybe we can get at least at the very least maybe we can get
our order bumped yeah no I I'm planning on talking to him about that okay deliver received
a message probably tomorrow I'm expecting so so the sooner we can get on that the better
and we are gonna bring you gaming benchmarks and I have some ideas for those they won't
just be done the same way we do them now yeah yeah so so so that's done but in terms of
you know what I know what I'm not buying one oh yeah I didn't expect you to I was going
to okay when I thought it was $2.99 to $3.99 US a few things changed number one is the
price is sort of 60% to double what I or 66% to 200% of what I thought it was gonna be
so that's number one number two is the Canadian dollar has fallen about 25% since that time
adding another couple of hundred dollars to the cost I haven't ordered one yet and that's
actually strictly because of the Canadian dollar so so I'm so I'm out you know I might
tool around with it at work but that's a work device that sits at work that's for us to
do work on and I will not own one personally because I just am not in a position right
now where that makes sense for me so you know what we need to hear from you guys yeah we
need to do it we need to do another Twitter poll yeah so there's there's actually this
is like this is a two-part this is a two-part answer right here so let's let's get this
poll going oculus rift at $600 so was was going okay um okay was going to buy that they
don't give you a lot of characters still no okay we're just no I'm just gonna do this
really simple so was still am okay was not anymore and uh let's go with um wasn't and
then uh am now and one thing that I want to add here is that um there are a number of
demos that almost no one has tried which are flat out insanely incredible one that I was
able to try it in video last night I don't think has been shown very much this one's
not the like no one has tried this um but bullet train have you guys played bullet train
no I haven't bullet trains a game made by epic and it's a standing experience for oculus
it's a standing and pivot experience you're not supposed to walk around um it's based
on teleportation slowdown of time and firefights wow you you teleport around to different areas
where there are firearms that you can pick up and say it's a shotgun you have to actually
pump it if it's a rifle it's really inaccurate unless you hold it with both hands and you
have to like actually position your hands properly if you slow down time you can grab
bullets out of the air and throw them back at people the one boss that I was able to
fight I have to catch a missile out of the air and redirect it and then and like it's
going to be at a weird angle and you have to like and then redirect it and shoot it
back at them incredibly fun right and like there's I'm finally starting to see games
other than Valkyrie that are like wow I really want to play that so yeah and it does include
two games a lot of consoles when they first come out won't include a game and then later
will include a game you get Lucky's Tale and you get Valkyrie with it and basically everyone's
going to buy Valkyrie so you can take some out of the costs if you consider that because
buying a Rift and not buying a game makes no sense right and buying a Rift and not buying
Valkyrie for most people I kind of think makes no sense okay so I want to do the results
of the LMG versus BS mods or the teams thing first so 60% of you are saying it's going
to be LMG versus BS mods so unless I decide to veto it because I'm like oh I don't want
to lose that badly that looks like the route we're going to go timeline TBD these guys
are really busy we're really busy we got to make sure it works for everyone now let's
have a look at the results for did you ask them before the show at all no we've talked
we've talked to them about the possibilities very I've been like very light pitches over
a while but yeah yeah you guys were kind of like hinting little things but uh yeah the
opportunity you guys are down right well you know we can uh we'll come up with a handicap
of some kind you know I mean we'll do like maybe I think we're gonna ride hoverboards
well yeah yeah modding or something mod the computer with your feet only yeah well I could
like while if I'm doing some paint I could put a blindfold on rod can direct me with
the gun and then you know I mean we'll just we'll work something out to help you guys
okay so um two minutes so here's the final answer then we've got 11 percent of you a
mere 11 percent that say you intended to buy the rift and you still intend to buy the rift
we've got the page taking a little while to load I wanted to refresh it there we go we've
got 33 percent of you in the Linus camp you intended to buy one you are not buying one
anymore we've got three percent of you that have changed your minds the other way you
didn't intend to buy one but now you're down and a massive 53 percent of you never intended
to buy one and still don't intend to very interesting obviously these aren't like you
know scientifically derived results or anything like that but uh there you go it looks like
there's a lot more people who feel the way that I do than I actually thought because
I do wonder if part of that um is letting everything balance out the shot yes and yes
and something else the one that I had but I think you're both right um which is the
benchmarking performance right I think a lot of people are going into this like oh yeah
I want oculus it's super cool yeah yeah and then they see any price tag they get to any
form of checkout and they're like wait can I do this like I'm gonna have to upgrade my
system I need a better gpu I want a new platform I need what okay this cost looks like more
than just the head I'm out right I wonder how much this would change after somebody
actually tries it that's a huge thing too yeah one of oculus's biggest things is they
need to use best buy as weird as that is yeah and they need to get demos out and people
need to play bullet train and people need to play valkyrie and people need to play um
whatever ccp ends up calling sorry ccp but your tron game um and they need to be able
to try all these different things and it's I don't know yeah we'll see how it actually
ends up in I guess one second might play out maybe like the Wii a little bit where it took
a while to get going it was at a lower price point but then it just kind of took off because
it was such a new experience the lower price point hopefully it sure won't be it sure won't
be 3d vision yeah they did get the demos out there and people did try and they still didn't
buy it yeah yeah bullet train like you had your set amount of demo time and you ran through
the one scenario that was all it was like you walked this way and then you walked that
way and then you fought and then everything was done and I tried to get in line literally
as many times as I possibly could yeah but like there was other people doing it too there
was some uh chick who was totally not interested in video games or vr at all but they had her
try it just because she was there and she went back I think two or three times so like
it's a thing it's cool it's really expensive and I don't want anyone to break the bank
on it not what I'm saying but it's really cool all right so thank you guys very much
for tuning into the land show thanks to our special guests bob and rod for joining us
here on the land show and we will see you guys finally in a normal time slot in the
normal studio next week we had two statutory holidays fall on Fridays so we ended up with
weird pre-recorded shows that we were or were not present on and then now we're in the hotel
conference room so we'll see you next week on the usual bat time on the usual bat channel
et cetera et cetera peace out guys we don't have an outro this is really weird i'm gonna
keep talking