Oh
Alright, it's when Showtime again. Yeah, we got to get our spacing right here. There we go
Perfect. Oh
You always push me away from the mic so you're way louder than me
No, I'm way louder than you because I'm way louder than you
I pushed you away from the mic because I'm the one who's actually you know, looking at the show and okay
Yeah, okay. I think we look symmetrical. You know what here just a second. Hold on. Let me let me let me explain
Let me let me explain something something here. Let's go ahead. Well, we'll give you guys some screen capture to look at here
Instead of James. There you go. Okay, so
That that really doesn't work very well what I'm doing right now. Okay, that's not really the point
The point is look at the distance here. See this distance
not enough distance you gotta
there
See I'm not there wasn't there was a no mansplaining rule on the WAN show
No, no, you're allowed to wansplain. That's we've been through this
So we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today topic number one. Where is Luke?
Which is I'm sure the only one that you actually care about at this point because this frickin can you take those off?
I'm not taking them off. Oh, you have to take them on man. I feel like JC Denton. He's not using the laser
Okay, so
Ed can you can you cam up for us for a second here?
Can you just show them what the heck is going on such that James figures he needs Wow. Thank you
I'm sure glad I had a professional camera operator do that. That's much appreciated. So that right there. Look at that
He knows how to use the focus ring and everything
So that right there is our new laser cutter and these no no, no, you can't wear them the whole show
Let me tell you the whole the whole sunglasses during a tech video podcast thing has been done
No one likes it. My vision is augmented. Have you even played Deus Ex? This is sick
This is harsh. I have played hold on a second. Which one is
Yeah, it cuts out all the BS and leaves you with awesome no
Can you no no, can I at least just continually put them on like periodically throughout the show?
you can only keep them on for a maximum of
30 seconds at a time deal. Okay, and and they have a 10-minute cooldown
Cool down by the way. Yes, I have played Deus Ex
But I only played the widely regarded as kind of crap sequel invisible war
I actually enjoyed it having not played the original and never playing one since I
Actually really enjoyed it. So
Yeah, I really don't want to miss badminton this guy's trying to send me on a freaking also
You didn't center our camera way to go add
Or did he no not quite it needs to go a little bit more towards James. Thank you
He's trying to send me on a business trip during my badminton night
I get one night a week one night a week when I get to go out and do something fun
And this guy wants to send me to where are you trying to send me LA?
One syllable cities, that's two syllables la
All right, so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today
Gigabyte responded via email. I hope I hope I hope I can talk about this
I think it's kind of a it was kind of a statement. So they responded via email to my
Question about exactly what the heck is going on with motherboard or with coffee lake performance from motherboard to motherboard
And I've also heard from Asus. So we'll be talking a little bit about that
Activision has
patented a
technique for social engineering
Microtransactions in games. I love it. It's
Way more evil than it sounds and it sounds pretty damn evil
So that should give you some idea what else we got. Oh, I can talk now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, ah
Reportedly Apple has cut down
production of the iPhone 8 for November and December by a large margin cut cut cut axed and
A pixel to XL color issue that Linus may or may not have experienced. I actually want to know
I'll get there. You know what? I haven't. Okay. Yeah, you know what? Why don't we roll the intro? We'll talk about it later
We'll talk about it later
Wancho and it will also do that first topic. I promised where is Luke? I'm
Wearing the sunglasses now with the 30 seconds doesn't count until the intro. Hey, you have one fan
Cavour x95 likes you lots of people like me. Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves. You have one pen. That's not true
Oh, do you want me to send you screenshots?
Dar bullets James just know
That guy doesn't count
That's a child die wolf lost. Where is Luke?
That's cuz he's pleasantly surprised to see me
Zen walrus says you're sick. And I think he means like disgusting not like good. Oh, that's both
Those are both good to me. Those are both good to you
Sponsors, I forgot we were still in trouble the intro screen there
I don't know how I'd manage it. How hard is this? Okay this much frame? It's
Like there's like this much extra. Yeah, I always tell the camera people
I'm like, can you center the arm in the frame and they're like, yes, and then they don't do it
I think they're just messing with me
I think at this point people are actually just screwing with me when they do things wrong
All right, so why don't we get into coffee like performance first have you have you heard about this have you seen this
Yes, I read it. So it comes down to a feature. Yeah, that is enabled by default on some boards
But not enabled by default on others
Yeah
so a suesus statement was actually I'm gonna have a quick look at my email here and make sure that
This is on the record
Because yeah, it's one of those frustrating things where sometimes we actually
We actually know
more than we can say because industry contacts don't want to get themselves in trouble mind you there's a pretty funny story actually
about a sues and
Being sort of on the record when you thought you weren't on the record. No, no, no, no, no, no
I'm not going to I'm gonna put them here
Being on the record when you didn't realize you're on the record and saying something that kind of threw Intel under the bus
We'll get to that later. But
First up. Yes. I actually asked do you guys have an official statement on the whole auto overclocking thing?
So the whole discrepancy between it was especially visible and heavily multi-threaded tests like cinebench
between you know one reviewers results with coffee lake and and others where people were getting up to like
300 point differences in cinebench seems to have come down to some motherboard manufacturers. Most notably a sues
Enabling a feature by default on their boards that effectively
Over clocks the CPU right out of the box running all of the cores at the maximum turbo
Rather than just one or two or however many were supposed to be enabled at that particular speed
So I asked and this is my subject line
so I think I've absolved myself of any responsibility for this being something that can't go out to the public for an
official statement from a sues on the whole auto overclocking thing
But I actually you know what I should probably talk about gigabyte statement first
So they proactively sent this to me and they're basically just like good luck. No. No, I can read this
They're basically just like hey, I just watched your WAN show
That's that's cool. Gigabyte watches the WAN show like you guys are the WAN show you guys make the news
I'm just like blah blah blah like this about it
Just wanted to comment on the variance in scores. There's been some discussion over Intel turbo policy and enhanced multi-core performance
I'm sure you are aware. This is a feature that pegs all cores at the max turbo frequency
So in the case of the 8700 K, this is four point seven gigahertz across all cores now something
That's really happened over the last couple of generations of Intel's turbo boost technology
Is that the difference between base clock and max turbo clock has increased a lot?
So it used to be that if you had a multi-core enhancement feature and you just boosted everything
It was just a little bit and the reason they've done that is so they can get higher efficiency better battery life stuff
Like higher efficiency CPUs overall. Yeah, basically. So the idea is that Intel's going okay
well, here's what we're comfortable rating it for when all the cores are operating and
We want to tune it better and better and better
for lightly threaded workloads so you can get more performance out of just like a game that only utilizes one or two cores or
any other single threaded applications so you can
But they wouldn't have rated the CPU for four point seven gigahertz on all the cores at the thermal and at the power
consumption targets that they have
So there's gonna be a stability issue there and that's what this person from gigabyte is hinting at
Yeah, the reason they don't you know, don't put it on by default. There's potential for stability issue because it is in effect
overclocking
and it produces more heat and so this is why our 8700 K review had our chip consuming a lot of power compared to
What we might have expected and we probably should have investigated that further. So we were using an Asus board
We were using an Asus board. So we've typically used Asus boards for our launch coverage of any new CPU for I
Don't know the last five five or six CPU launches
See
How he drinks water to buy himself time I drink a sues water but
The reality of it is that we've found it has really more to do with the pre-review support for us
The fact that we can email anytime night or day and we're getting a response within like 20 minutes
And that has really made our lives a lot easier when we're trying to iron out what are often
Bugs with the CPU with the RAM with the board
Being able to get new BIOSes that address these or get answers when there is no BIOS to address it
Helps us out a lot. And that's the main reason that we've been doing that
So we had we were running the board at default which we assumed was kind of okay
So here's here's my response from from Asus
well
We've been doing it that way for a few years. So they're basically saying they're like, hey, this isn't really anything new
So I really don't know what there is to say
We the motherboard makers in general this is kind of the statement we get slammed for enabling it
Then we all disable it then we get slammed for not doing it because it's kind of free performance and kind of within spec
Then we place warnings on enabling it and that gets ignored
So I guess now we're back to not enabling it with some new BIOS updates next week
Do you have an opinion on whether or not they should enable it? Um, I'm standing here
I think you should have it off by default. It's still a feature that's included
It is just a switch you turn on in the BIOS. So it's easy to do
If people those long people know about it that you're not losing out on that free performance
You still have it available to you if you want it, but how would people know about it?
I would argue that the average user even the average user who builds their own computer
Isn't gonna touch a feature called multi core enhancement. Sounds pretty sweet to me
Yeah, it sounds pretty sweet
But there's also like a lot of stuff within a BIOS that might seem sweet on the surface
But you turn it on and your computer doesn't boot anymore until you you know, because remember you're a novice user
You go into your manual you figure out what the hell a CMOS reset is
You go find that stupid button or header and you you know, 15 minutes 30 minutes later
You've got your computer back on you kind of go. Well, I'm not gonna touch any of that stuff anymore
It would come down to marketing
but you can't market something that's just
I mean, I guess you kind of you can but they don't want you using that
Anyway, like if you're a suess or gigabyte or MSI
They've all got over auto overclocking tools that are much more sophisticated than that built into their boards that are like
Turning up the speed testing it to make sure it's okay turning it up some more testing it again
And they want you using that stuff. So how do those features reconcile with this feature if you have them both on?
It's a good question
Truthfully haven't played around with it a whole lot. Yeah, so
Honestly, I don't really plan to because I don't really personally recommend either of them as the most optimal way to overclock
I still believe that doing it manually yourself is the best way to overclock. So, um
Yeah
Apparently we're slightly out of focus. I just I don't even I don't even know I don't even know why we have camera people anymore
Speaking of which I need a camera person right now
Alex is taking the wheel. Oh, wow taking Wow focus wheel. Hey, actually, that's not bad. Damn girl
That's that's not
You should have seen the celly you just did I can't do it, but he did that
Come show him that weird thing that you do give us the celly
Weirds me out. I
Like where you only do it twice
All right, are we on to the next one, uh, yeah, let's move on to the next topic here
Um activist, I don't want to do that topic. Oh, I do though. Yeah, we'll do that topic. All right. All right
All right, we'll talk about it
So this was originally posted by WM groom a K on the forum
The original article here is actually from Rolling Stone of all publications
Well, there was a more original one, but it the site had that slideshow format. So I wasn't messing with that. Okay, so James
how on a scale of one to AIDS plus cancer plus leprosy
Where would you put?
activism activations research into using
Matchmaking tricks so you guys know in-game matchmaking like pairing one party with another
Using in-game matchmaking tricks to sell in-game items if I work there if I'm an executive or a shareholder
This is awesome. Do you own shares? Oh sick in active? No, I don't. Okay. So then how do you feel about it now gaming perspective?
It's all over folks throw in the towel game suck from now on
This is a brutal direction
There is some good news. They've actually patented the technique. So not all games suck
Hopefully no one else can do this just all the huge major titles from this giant company
So, okay, let's get into this Activision was granted a patent this month for a system
It uses to influence players in multiplier games to purchase game items through microtransactions
So the system uses it alters the matchmaking process
So typically players are put into games together based on a wide variety of factors including skill level
Internet latency and your availability friends the way it should be you should be skilled so that everyone's playing a fun
round of you know
Counter go source or whatever it is that the kids are playing these days, right?
But now they've added this runecraft extra vector
Yeah
This extra vector of more into the matchmaking process that basically tries to get you in the game
with people who have bought stuff that you haven't bought yet so that
psychologically you kind of see them using it and you want to buy it and it also so the the
the article also describes part of the technique being to take
inexperienced players and
Intentionally put them in close proximity
to players who are good at a skill that they aspire to be good at and who have an
Item that appears to be related to that skill
So let's say that a really skilled player has like a great sniper rifle, for example
Then they're gonna they're gonna pair this player who and you can you can tell so much about people from the way that they
Game actually. Well, I mean you can tell a lot about how how they want a game anyway
So someone's like always playing sniper classes, but sucks
You can tell I don't even think it's skill level aspire to be a sniper. No. No, well, there's that too
There's there's multiple aspects of it, right? So they'll take like an unskilled sniper who wants to be good at sniping
They'll put them near a good sniper who has great equipment like hat of plus one
that they pay for bot or whatever medium stuff that they paid for that they paid for and
Kind of watch right and then
Continually retool it and re-optimize to get more people buying microtransactions if my children
ever
Pay for an in-game item
I'm cutting them off. They're out of the will they're gonna be out, dude
They're out of the will that's gonna happen really soon
You guys heard it here first out of the will can I get in there because digital like in-game items. I
Don't know see we're old-school we just kind of cool
We used to just buy a game and have the whole game then expansion packs came out and that was just bonus and awesome
Then it all went to shit and now it's poo
We don't know DLC is just like how you get the whole game. Okay, hold on. Hold on. So
what I realized when I was talking about cutting my kids out of the will is that I
Think I've actually bought digital items before
No, I know I know so they won't be cut out of the will but but but if they spend too much on them
What's too much then they're cut out of the will that can be written in the will too much is yeah too much is
You know, I think I think more than
You know what? That is a really good straw poll question
Once okay, so I wanna I want to frame this in a pretty specific manner because there's a couple of different ways
You can define too much like I would take a free-to-play game
Where the in-game items are purely cosmetic and it's not a pay-to-win and I would kind of look at it
And I would go, you know what buying a skin or two or a character here and there to support the developer
Who's running a free-to-play game but has a lot of costs associated with it big time probably okay
But if we're talking triple-a title like we're talking like a sixty nine ninety nine
Oh, yeah
Seventy nine ninety nine triple-a title or or worse yet like a collector's edition that came in a tin
so you've like already spent a hundred and thirty hundred and fifty bucks on this thing and you can't even put the Master Chief helmet on
Because it's actually mini right and you run out and you blow like another fifty bucks hundred bucks on it
I think that is totally different
So I want to create a specific scenario for you guys because we're talking Activision Blizzard here
So we are not talking about free-to-play games. Okay, you pay for the game
So so let's say let's say a $50 game just for the sake of argument. Okay, and I know that's
Almost nothing is 50 bucks anymore
It's either more because it's triple-a or it's like 20 30 bucks because it's indie but let's say $50 game
Acceptable amount to spend on microtransactions. I think you should attach a timeframe here
Because if I'm playing Wow for like six years and I spend $300 whatever
But if this is a period of six months or something like that, okay. Yeah, that's fair per year first year
Okay, let's do per year. Okay. So first I for you hardcore is out there. I'm putting in the zero dollar option
Okay, don't worry. I'm putting in the zero dollar option
hardcores or cheapskates
Okay, so I've got uh
Okay, while you set that up I want to talk about another thing that this algorithm does that's a just even just takes it to
the next level
Once you do make an in-game purchase, so they put you in a match with the expert sniper
You were totally attracted to it. You ended up buying this sniper rifle
Once you made that purchase they're then going to take actions that make you feel good about that purchase
They don't want you to regret the purchase. So on your next match, they're gonna put you in a game where
You're you're not in a close quarters match. You're gonna be put in a game where that purchase is advantageous
They're gonna put you in blood gulch or whatever a sniper friendly match so you can actually
What's the last time you played that's a school man. People like the shit, but I do know
Like the throwbacks. I know what it is. Hell, yeah, which means it's old school
That's a classic blood gulch. They made that they made that map four different times. It's in every game every halo game
Okay
Anyway, they're gonna put you in blood into a map where you twitch chat is flipping out to blood gulch. They love it Wow
Oh
Okay, okay go go go go go fire James fire James
Okay, that guy's too young to know what blood gulch is
You should be getting an Xbox on eBay just so you can play it. Even if you weren't born yet
Anyway need a Linus tech tips. Halo 1 server. Booyah agreed. That'd be sweet. Okay
Do you guys you guys would be down?
Still playing it. Haha. Okay. I'm not so old-school that I am advocating using like the original fatty controller that controller sucked
You're allowed to use the X the X control shell gulch shell gulch
Halo 1 is still like $30 gulch tips. You can still buy it. Halo 1 custom edition is $30
It's terrible
Terrible, um, okay. All right. All right, I'm gonna let you finish
I'm gonna let you finish but
Basically, the thing that sucks about this is that you can tell from the language in the patent that this is not just going to
Be affecting in-game purchases like skins and aesthetic things
Yeah
The language talks about weapons and that just means that the developers are gonna have a monetary incentive to make it play to win
So to me that this looks like this is the direction
We're all going the thing about this kind of play to win is it's like a sicker more insidious play to win
because instead of it being okay instead of it being our dice a play to win pay to win instead of me being able to
Pay more to just have better crap than you and walk in and stomp you. I have to lose to you
hold on it'll be it'll be pay more and
Get a fake Oh ego boost because they're just gonna pair you with crappier players. I
Can imagine that when they first roll this out trick you when they first roll this out
You're gonna be on the team
Are you gonna be on the same team as the guy with the awesome gun?
but then they're gonna find out that it's actually more effective if you're on the opposite team and you just get lit up by this
guy with the awesome gun you're tired of getting so pwned that you
You go and buy the gun yourself and then you get to the awesome feeling of wrecking noobs
I mean at what point do they then take it a step further and they start actually
Fooling you into thinking you're playing against people. You're not like what if they could use?
Like a neural network to figure out which people in game you actually know and which people you don't
So they could have you playing against the guy you're playing against the guy who's ripping you apart with a sniper rifle from the other
Side of the map, okay
Or the guy that like literally gets out of the banshee and like manages to drop it on you every time Oh
Oh
Terrible, it's all halo all the time. It's all halo all the time from now on. Okay, and
Then in your next game, they just like
Overlay that person's real avatar and real on-screen name with like this guy and you like destroy him now that you bought your new gun
Do you think they could get that evil? Why not? I
Mean, it's just an it's just a digital identity that it actually is actually ultimately
Ultimately pretty meaningless as far as it goes if they take two randoms who don't know each other. They just sprinkle Boston
Just sprinkle super advanced bots and that just are just pimped out swagged out. They got the guns are shooting hot pink bullets
I mean, you know, is this where we're going?
Holy crap, actually this leads us pretty squarely into another topic. We have does it. All right
Yes, it does
Speaking of AI that's just so killer. It can wreck you every time
Remember
AlphaGo
The deep neural neck net that managed to swamp all the world's top alpha or top go players in the last year
So this is from gizmodo here. There you go
All right
Tell me about it
Okay, so AlphaGo the first artificial intelligence to defeat a grandmaster at the game go just got a major upgrade in a tournament that
pitted AI versus AI
The regular AlphaGo got completely completely wrecked
100 games to zero by the new version of AlphaGo called AlphaGo zero
Why did they call it AlphaGo zero if it gets a hundred and not zero because it's singularity, baby
How is zero singular what you know the singularity is? Yeah
It's like converging to zero
I'm making this up
Well, I'm trying to justify the name you're talking about
Okay, the thing that's cool about this is the original AlphaGo
Had a training data set of thousands of previously played go games played by humans that were amateurs or professionals like go
This is a completely unsupervised like reinforcement learning algorithm that had no training data set
No training data set it started only with the rules of the game go and in three days could beat the original go
AlphaGo
Isn't that insane so it played 4.9 million games against itself
To acquire the expertise needed to beat the original AlphaGo
For comparison the original AlphaGo had 30 million games for inspiration
Wow after 40 days it defeated a more sophisticated
Version of AlphaGo called AlphaGo master and that was the version that defeated the world's best go players last year
It gets even crazier. It did this not only is it better
It's not even that they just like threw more computing power at it. It's way more efficient. The original AlphaGo master had
48 TPUs or
Tensor processing units this one
4
4 TPUs
That's an order of magnitude more efficient now
This is like not generally I at all yeah, this is playing a game, but it's like it's it's it's
Okay
Well this thing could wreck you at Halo 2 I don't
Know okay, so that okay, it'll smash you with banshees every time you're getting stuck from across the map. No scope headshots
Yeah
All right one more topic before we go into ads this was originally posted by Jammie scone
Jammie's Jammie scone whatever on the forum Jamie the original oh
Jamie is gone
The original article is from kit guru dotnet no I don't want your notifications
Apple reportedly cut down
iPhone 8 production all
Ready I mean if it if it wasn't a strong enough indication that iPhone 8 isn't doing particularly
Well that there were literally no lineups like that was a big thing with the iPhone 8 launch
this seems to be
This seems to pretty much drive the point home apparently
iPhone 8 and 8 plus production has been reduced by about 50% for November and December which are typically
pretty
Strong sales months for mobile devices, and this is apparently the first time Apple has reduced iPhone production
So early in the cycle
This is really worrying
Considering like the bright side of this would be to assume that all these people who aren't buying the 8 are just waiting to buy
the 10 but
but they probably won't even be able to buy the 10 and
the other issue is that apparently a lot of people are opting for the iPhone 7 instead of the 8 which is
Frankly a decision that okay a makes a lot of sense to me in the first place because the iPhone 7 and 8
Really really not very different. You're getting way more eyes per dollar
And number two the more people go out there and buy the iPhone 7
The longer the support cycle we are likely to see on that product because and this is this is something
That's I that actually comes up fairly often when I'm talking about you know
What tech product you should buy a lot of the time it doesn't work out to be in your best interest
to go and buy safe the most expensive motherboard
Because a lot of the time what can end up happening is because they sell so few units of that model
it might end up with a very short support cycle and a
Much smaller install base of people to call into tech support and complain if something goes wrong
They might end up with more
compatibility issues down the line because of that smaller install base installing a wide variety of hardware to
To you know find out if there's any issues and report them to the manufacturer
So owning the like the popular one can actually be really good because the iPhone 7
Here's another thing if there's a huge install base even not directly from Apple even if we're talking from app developers
If there's a huge install base of these iPhone 7s because Apple was effectively selling them for two years at full pop or at full speed
then you're gonna see app developers really focus on optimizing for that phone for a longer time into the future as
Those iPhones start to have their screens broken or start to be replaced
It's just gonna take longer before you aren't worth investing in anymore
So the fact that there's this momentum on the iPhone 7 becomes sort of a self
self reinforcing positivity snowball and the more people
Realize that the iPhone 7 is a great choice compared to the 8 the more it will be a great choice
Compared to the 8 that's where I was coming to that's your positive snow ball. That's my positivity snowball
So, I mean I ended up but just by chance with a couple of those types of devices
So the iPad one was a big steaming pile of beta
It didn't end up being supported for very long. It was thick the battery life sucked. It was super slow iPhone 2
Did I say iPhone? You said iPad. Okay good iPad 2 way better in every way like fantastic and
Made a ton of sense as a product for quite some time because even the ones that came after it
we're adding things like high resolution displays that actually
Ended up hurting battery life as much as they increased the resolution of the display
They ran hotter like the iPad 2 had stuff going for it for like three or four generations afterward
It wasn't until the air I think that we've got one that was higher resolution and better battery and ran cooler was like better in
every possible way
So my iPad 2 ended up getting supported almost forever and the same with the iPad are with the iPhone 4 and I ended up
With like both of them at the same time. I was like, this is great Apple support
Like four or five years, this is awesome
But it doesn't always work out like that
So it's really nice when you end up with something like that and it looks like the iPhone 7 could be another one
I personally wish it had been the success because it has a headphone jack, but
Sorry
Oh, oh, yeah the Apple watch what about it? Oh
You're just upset because you lost that playlist feature. Yeah, so Apple right does not behave in this way every time
You have a second gen
Yeah, second gen. Yeah and just lost a feature that was deprecated
deprecated seemingly and we have no, you know insider knowledge at Apple or anything but seemingly to make room for a new version of the
Feature that is only available on the new one that has LTE connectivity
So you're just gonna buy the new one aren't you
You are aren't you?
Are you already wearing it?
No, did you already buy the new one? Did you already order it? Are you going to the Apple store after this weekend? He's already on the Apple store right now
Then you'll sell that one and get the new are you really gonna get the new one? Oh
See you are everything that's wrong with and you're telling me he's one of those Apple people you actually need something or you're what?
Can I do for you?
How to wear ah, oh do I when do I have to decide?
Like today
I don't know probably not
Let's go smell. I don't know. We'll talk a little later. We're talking a little later. Okay, uh, right, right
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Out of what wait a minute, is this the maple? Yeah, I think this is the one I like do they have more than one maple bacon
It doesn't even offer me any they might
Wow, this is really nice too. No mine. Well, you're vegetarian. I still want to smell the bag
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Mmm
Well, yeah, this is a new flavor. This is nice. So it's like
It's kind of least waft. Yeah, you can work it. It's really good. You can't you probably won't be able to sell the maple down
That smells good
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Um, we'll move on. Hold on cuz I got a side rail us for a little bit here
You went to WWE this week. Yeah, nobody asked me about that. I went to Smackdown live
I actually have check this out. Check this out
Here I sent an email to myself
No, remind myself really ask James about
WWE because here here it is. Here it is. So I sent this to myself on October 17 three days ago because
I the day after cuz I was like super I was super curious
What was w2 I mean, you're not like a WWE fan, right? No, so you think it's kind of ridiculous. I
I watched it as a child and then watched it for way longer than I would have because of my friend was super into it
Really? No, I'm just joking. Of course, you know, it's fake. It's kind of like it was kind of slapstick II slapstick comp
There's a couple lol moments watching it live actually
None of the big superstars that I know of were there of course because they're all retired now like stone cold
It's not gonna show up. So it was all like no names to me
So I felt more like I was at like one of those Mexican wrestling events just because they're all no names and they're doing stupid
Stuff and one guy actually had a Mexican a wrestling mask on so that contributed to the feel
family fun and
Really pretty entertaining
How much was it?
20 bucks. That's why I went
Who's sweet? All right
It was sweet. So tell me how sweet was it? Was it sweet in a
This was a great way to turn my brain off for two hours on a Tuesday night way
Or was it great in a like I'm gonna start finding out who these guys are and following the storylines not a chance
It was a great in the like I get to hang out and like have dinner and spend the evening with my childhood friend
Who I only get to see like every quarter kind of way and it was only 20 bucks
It was 50 bucks wouldn't have done it. No, not a chance. Sorry childhood friend
I'd hang out with him without but not 50 bucks. I
Just wouldn't went to that with him
But yeah, sweet best part was the the voice announcer guy
yeah, I love that the ability to like grab the microphone and
The you know, like that. Let's get ready to rumble kind of guy. Are we even allowed to say that?
I know we can't do it with the intonation. He has like really trademarked. Yeah the intonation
Yeah, just say it like Stephen Hawking style ready to I don't even know if you can say it at all
Oh my it's one of those things like the whole the whole copyright on happy birthday
that actually recently was that one was overturned but
Where'd like nobody even realizes that you like can't say this stuff cuz they'll actually go after you
You know that Rudolph was invented by coca-cola
No
Let that bake your noodle for a second, huh? They also made Santa Claus red
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How about that? How about up?
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It's got that. It's it's that fresh PCB smell
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You know, even if the bags not sealed even if you can't get it back in the bag after stays in there
It stays in there pretty good
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Um, that's a Tyler job
All right
What else we got here? Like what's interesting?
Did you know that Google's first system on a chip designed in-house is in the pixel two that you've been using all week
No, you didn't know because they just announced it now really there is a chip in there that you don't know about
The pixel visual course
This was originally posted by Z Ramsey on the on the forum and the original article here is from the verge
Google's first mobile chip. That's not an SOC. That's an image processor
Dang it. What?
Telling me the verge is wrong. Hold on a second. What are these? What are they saying? Okay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on
pixel visual core
SOC
Purposeful version
Purpose in this case accelerate that
Okay, so my understanding of the definition of an SOC is that it has to have basically all the elements of a
Of like a more traditional like CPU motherboard GPU IO
Wow
Especially among academics SOC is sociology. Why don't we look for a much more better?
definition
definition
Wow, it's pronounced soc
Yeah, I'm gonna have to double-check the definition here because I wouldn't think an image processor would be an SOC so it integrates all
components of a computer or
Other electronic system may contain digital analog mixed signal and often radio frequency functions all on a single substrate
Okay, well if they're calling it an SOC maybe there's more to this thing than I necessarily thought but here we go
We've actually got a we've got to look at it here
So the coolest aspects of the pixel visual core maybe that it's already in Google's devices
They both have it built in but laying dormant until activation at some point. Yes
It's laying dormant until they activate it over the coming months. So right now it's used just to process HDR plus
stuff
way faster
Faster than you've experienced it. It hasn't been activated yet
Interesting and that's not all they're actually gonna use it for more applications than just that
They haven't told us what but we'll see more image and machine learning enhancements being added to the pixel to over the coming months very interesting
so
Here's a here's a look at it
So here's the cores. Here's the link to memory
A
PCIe Wow
Huh, it's super interesting to me that they didn't announce this out there made by Google hardware event
I guess they didn't have it ready in time, but they still ship devices with it
They didn't have the the software implementation ready in time. So they just laid low until now
You would have thought they would have at least announced it like when reviewers had hands-on
So so they're saying each of its eight processors has been tailored to handle HDR plus duties
Resulting in HDR plus performance that is five times faster at one tenth of the energy of current of the current implementation
Now when they say current implementation there, do you think they mean?
What your pixel can currently do? Yeah before us is turned on. Yeah, that's smooth, baby
So they say they'll enable it as a developer option in the preview of Android Oreo
8.1
Wow, and that there's gonna third-party hat apps will have the ability to handle HDR
Photos, so we'll see more imaging and machine learning enhancements added to the pixel 2
so the pixel 2 is already getting a pretty good review that went up on float plane last night and
Will be added to YouTube I think on Sunday is when we're gonna see that video go live. So right now
float plane has got Scrapyard Wars parts 2 and
3 then tomorrow it's gonna get Scrapyard Wars part 4 when YouTube gets part 2 and it's also got
And you're in Scrapyard Wars
Yeah, so am I you're in Scrapyard Wars kind of
You're in Scrapyard Wars just talking about just the voiceover. Oh, you're the voiceover. Oh, that's nice. Yes. Listen. Oh, that's it is nice
I like doing that listen up. Keep your ears peeled if you can peel an ear for this whimsical voice
So also over there, we've got the MSI vortex g25 review
We've got the mass drop vast 35 inch curved gaming monitor you worked on that one
We've got our video of the let's have a look here. What else have we got over there? Oh
LG wallpaper TV part 2. Oh wait, that's up on YouTube now Oh first ever SLI setup still isn't on YouTube
So with our voodoo SLI that's over there right now, and I think that pretty much that pretty much covers it
There's some tech quickies as well
All right. What else we got for topics here? Oh, right if you guys want to know how to join float plane
You should probably go check out this link that I'm about to post in the chat. Do you wanna move on to our next topic? I
guess so
Sorry, I was just talking to a prime of an upcoming build guide. Oh
Oh, yeah, is that the the value value gaming build guide with rising the rising five best bang for your buck build
Bide cool. I just want an extra B in there
Yeah, so I may have almost screwed up this build guide
but fortunately James had the foresight to listen to what I was saying and
Carefully ignore it beginners mind beginners beginners. Yeah, you familiar with the concept
No, is it like beginners luck button? No beginners. Mine is when you're like because you don't know all the minutia
You kind of don't take things at face value question stuff
Anyway, this is actually next topic is
Total full circle for us because it's a kind of part two of a topic that you and I discussed a couple weeks ago
So what we had discussed was that senator al Franken
Submitted like a letter a bunch of questions to Apple about their face ID technology and now Apple has responded and has answers
direct to his questions
One of them I put in bold because you didn't know how the heck Apple did this and now we get to know
so
Here's just a bunch of bullet points
I don't want to say al Franken's questions because his question will become obvious when you just hear the answer
Yeah answer number one face ID data including mathematical representations of your face is encrypted and only
Available to the secure enclave this data never leaves the device
It is not sent to Apple nor is it included in device backups? Cool
The air just face face images captured or discarded once the representation is calculated for comparison meaning
That they can never surrender it to the authorities the FBI can't ask for it because Apple just never has it
They oh this is cool
So IR in depth images were collected in studies conducted with participants informed consent
So we had we had talked about you know
How exactly did they train the bloody thing?
Because they said they use billions of images and Linus was asking well where the heck did they get these billions of images and?
It turns out they actually just took them themselves
It's not they haven't said that they've taken taken photos of a billion different people. That seems silly
They probably took thousands of photos of hundreds of people
I mean their Apple they could conceivably pay every single person on earth like 60 bucks. Mmm
Did like they could pay a billion people like 60 bucks to take a picture of them send us a selfie. Yeah
So they took multiple pictures with multiple different types of sensing technology including IR and cool presumably up like 360 views
So there you go. They are taking security for it pretty darn seriously
Next topic posted by num lock 21 on the forum
this oh
boy someone at Asus
Actually, we know specifically who Andrew Wu the ROG motherboard product manager
somewhat at Asus
Andrew Wu is in a fair bit of trouble right now. This is some serious
Under bus throwing yeah, this is some this is some foot in mouth being run over by the wheel of the bus
With the foot in the mouth so the head gets run over to and the foot just gets yeah further in there
Yeah
Like it like the heels up and though the wheel rolls over the heel and jams it through the back of this can't even gag
Cuz there's too much fun. Yeah, so in an interview with bit tech
Bit tech basically will will give you kind of the rundown they basically go. Can you explain in technical detail?
Why?
Coffee Lake won't work with z270 motherboards
MPM the PM goes. Oh, it's it's Intel's decision bit tech says so it's not a physical limitation
Intel said it was to do with the power delivery
PM goes not really it power delivery makes a little bit of difference, but not much
So bit tech goes so what are they referring to the the 20 or so unused pins from before he goes yes
So if you wanted an Intel let you you could make z270 compatible PM goes yes, but you would also require an upgrade
From the management engine a BIOS update Intel somehow has locked the compatibility
Whoa
Okay
It's basically just comes down to stability then until I just did this for this ability
So this is one of those situations where I run into trouble
Because I know things that were told to me off the record
well
Well, no, I'm just it's not about that. I'm just messing with you. I know things off the record that
They're
They're not they don't conflict with any of this information
Because what he said was that here maybe maybe I can help the audience
infer
Based on what he said because all the information is really in there if you read between the lines
so
Intel said it was to do with the power delivery and he says
Not really. It makes a little bit of difference
They
Did change something
Why did they do it
Surely Intel would have saved themselves some cost and changed nothing
If they didn't feel like they had to change something for some reason
Hmm because if we're going to attack this problem from the tinfoil hat mindset of
These money-grubbing companies don't want to spend any money and they want to take ours
Surely we can all agree that Intel would have done
Absolutely nothing if there wasn't some reason that they perceived that they had to do something
So they did something it
According to this interview had to do with the power delivery
Also according to this interview a sues could make it compatible if
Intel wasn't locking it out
for some reason
May be related to why they did something
It's all in the interview. I haven't said anything that I wasn't supposed to pass along. Is there any possible way that we could?
Like hack it and make it work. No, okay, even a sues can't do it because
Intel would have to update me. Okay second question. Do you the BIOS update? Do you think that?
Andrew here kind of backpedals at the end where he says
You know, it's it's not that big of a deal anyway because people who bought
Z270 just ten months ago when it came out
They're probably not likely to be the type of consumer who's gonna upgrade
Anyway, it's people with older systems who are gonna upgrade. So to me, it really has nothing to do with that because you know when
When Kaby Lake came out
You know for a long time when once Intel launches a new CPU for a long time
Sometimes like right through the entire time it's available. You can buy the last generation
chipset
Which actually usually has the same features because they don't change much if they don't have to
You can you can buy those old ones for a little bit cheaper
So if you wanted a Z170 board with a 7700 K you would get
overclocking unlocked for your k-series chip, you'd get just as many SATA ports you'd get this you get that and
overall performance would in most cases
Be very similar and someone's car alarm just go off. Oh, no someone set off the actual alarm. Is that in 101 or is that here?
Do you mind investigating? Thank you, sir. The alarms are going off in here. Uh, yeah, so sorry about that guys. We get installed
This is a job for laser James, haha, they laughed at me
They're still laughing at you that's why I'm here
Thank you
Thank you
That looks like my work here is done
Good work laser James. I
Have an unblockable style. So anyway
From this interview reading between the lines of this interview
They probably could have made it compatible
There is some reason
Related to the power delivery that they decided not to and not only decided not to but also decided to do actual work on
Z370 at great expense now
Do I necessarily think then that this makes Intel some kind of a white knight?
No
Because what they have also done is they've released only a single 300 series chipset
Z 370 the highest priced one in their stack, right?
so you don't even have the option to buy, you know, like
an
8400 for example and pair it with a cheapo board because it because it doesn't it's not unlocked for overclocking anyway
So yeah, that's pretty greasy. Are they clearly trying to extract more value from the customer?
Yeah, if they felt bad about it, they would have done like the bare minimum like just like
Almost at cost. Okay, like eating it. So if they had no margin on them on the mobos then all right
So they're clearly trying to you know, you know do corporate things, you know rise
You know average cart price or whatever those metrics that e-tailers look for
Drive attach, you know that kind of stuff
They're clearly doing that but I'm also not necessarily one of the people holding a torch going
you should be able to plug a coffee lake into Z 270 because there does appear to be an actual physical change that they made that
They felt was necessary for the most stable and optimal operation
Honestly, I think one of the big reasons that we only got Z 370 is Intel was fully aware that coffee lake supply was going to
Be extraordinarily limited and they figured well if people like if we can't keep them on shelves anyway
Then we might as well sell them to the people that we're gonna go out there and spend the most on the best chipset and the
Top-of-the-line. Well, that's not what he's saying central
He's saying that people are who are just ready to upgrade who didn't upgrade to Z 270
Sure can upgrade now, but they're gonna have to do that to great expense
Yeah, I mean that's that's that's his whole thing and I'm making my I'm drawing my own conclusions here
But what exactly Intel was doing with their strategy? So I'll leave it to you guys to sort of come up with your own your
Own answers here, but I do want to show you your own answers to something we discussed earlier
Let's go ahead and pull up our
micro transactions poll from earlier in the show
$50 game how much is it acceptable to spend per year on micro transaction?
So first Alex how much per year is it acceptable to spend?
On a $50 game? Nothing.
Nothing. Okay, so you are actually the second most popular answer
38% of our voters think it's okay to spend up to $10 on a $50 game
So like a little treat. It's a little something for yourself. You know some horse armor, you know, yeah
I'd do that in like a $30 game. Sorry? I'd do that in a $30 game. $30 Canadian. $30 Canadian. That's like that's like six dollars. How many rubles is that?
Okay
31% of you are saying zero dollars period
22% of you 50 bucks and
10% of you must be like some kind of mega ballers because you think it's okay to spend between
50 to over a hundred dollars on microtransactions in your game. Are you for real? I
Can't even imagine spending that kind of money on microtransactions. MLG baby. You're not hardcore
Yeah, that much is that much. I mean, I I didn't even spend that much on my car
Like look at my car. It's not even worth $100
Seriously, I took it. I tried to trade it in new straw pool new straw pool. How much would you pay for Lance's car? I
I
Bet I bet you could get more than 100 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that's okay
That's a bit of there's an issue with that though. You're taking all those phones. What's that one on the bottom? Oh
The pixel. Oh, okay. So hey guys, this is another cool teaser. So
Those of you who aren't subscribed over on floatplane won't actually know this yet
But Brandon here is going to be working on a first for our channel
I'm gonna try these a smartphone camera roundup that why are you what?
Why are you doing this? This is this is how I'm going to be on the show now. You're behind the mic
Yeah, that's good. Stay there. Stay there because those are those are so ridiculous. So anyway
I've never really done in-depth phone camera testing because frankly I
Mean you're not a camera person. I'm not qualified Thank You Brandon
so so
with the pixel 2 and the iPhone 8 and
To a lesser extent the SA but definitely the note 8 the camera was like the thing
They wanted to talk about so Brandon's gonna be doing a dedicated video sometime probably next week on floatplane
Hopefully maybe the following week really picking these phones apart and figuring out which one is more camera for your dollar
Attached to a phone and you're throwing a DSLR into the mix aren't you? Yes. Oh boy. Well, we'll see. Oh boy. I'm not a lot
Many many use case. Is that almost a separate video?
I don't know the whole like should you still buy, you know a
$600 $700 DSLR
You want to talk about it? Maybe we should just bring you on for like a wan show segment or something. I don't know
You know, my favorite part about this whole thing is Brandon hates smartphone camera commentary. He hates when people talk about it
He hates when there's videos about the iPhone camera. He hates it. Now. He has to do it to clarify
I do not hate the iPhone and smartphone cameras being good
I do however hate the thousands of articles. I've seen over the years about things that are shot on the iPhone being
Making it seem like the iPhone was the best tool for I get I get it
It's good enough for this use case and it can work perfect. But
There is no one who can sit there and tell me that the iPhone is a better camera in most use cases
For a professional situation Brandon, just your pills. I can tell you that I won't have any credibility, but I can tell you that
Just to get his blood pressure up
He's not even gonna make it into work on Monday, he'll have had like four heart attacks
Also, I just realized why aren't we calling the pixel XL the pixel?
The pixel the pixel the pixel the pixel double XL. All right. So thanks for watching guys
We'll see you again next week. Same bad time same bad channel. And yes, I'm really ending the show on that terrible joke deal with it
Haha, I got the end of show on even worse over joke
The burst was the baddest grammar
I know
Yeah, halo you can just host a dedicated server we should totally set one up
Oh, we don't really discuss that we're still live, you know
Oh, and if we set up a server it will be a legit game surfer so no bad bad Alex, and then you