The pig tops for these. We're live.
Which are very cool, by the way. They are. Yeah. Maybe a video about that eventually. Yes, yes, maybe eventually.
Welcome, my friends, to the WAN Show. The show on the Internet.
That's the joke after all. WAN Show. Yeah. Wide Area Network. No one got it at this point.
Almost no, well, no, no, I remember when we first changed the name, which is really funny. Everyone hated the name WAN Show.
I bet most of you don't even remember.
I miss the days when it was the live stream, when it didn't have all these production values and 3D printed microphone holders with...
Screw the garage. I liked the kitchen or the living room.
Screw the kitchen. I liked the whatever was before the kitchen with the bookshelves and change is never good. Why? Get off my lawn.
Um, all right, so, uh, oh, wow. Yeah, I've got people talking in the, uh, talking in the chat about who's wearing their WAN hoodies.
Yes, the WAN hoodies have finally dropped. Mine's actually at home. Mine's at home.
I do have to wash it occasionally. Also, short sleeves. Like, it is finally getting to be the real, the real spring going on over here.
It's interesting. I noticed because I do thermal testing in the warehouse and the warehouse doesn't really have, like it has heating things, but they're usually off.
Um, you can track like what season the video came out in based on the ambient temperatures in the warehouse because in the winter it was like 16 degrees.
Now it's like 22. It's like, oh, okay.
I really hope it doesn't get like too hot in here in the summer.
Probably going to.
You know what? Last summer, it was somewhat bearable on the days when we didn't open up the bays.
And, and we have the window coverings now.
That's because like my office, someone walked into my office, uh, yesterday, Taren, Taren came into my office yesterday before we shot the channel super fun.
And he was like, holy crap, it's hot in here.
I had had the, I had had the window cover open for about seven minutes.
When, before I, before I got them, that office was like a sauna.
It was horrible.
It was absolutely horrible.
And to be clear, guys, we have an air conditioning set up, but you don't air condition a warehouse.
Generally speaking, it's not really, you're like a cold storage place.
Yeah.
Do you have any idea how ballin it would be to air condition the entire warehouse?
Have you been up on the roof?
No.
Okay.
So the two air conditioning units, you can like, you can like see them up there.
So we have two air conditioning units, each of which are about double the size of this table.
And that is just for the office space, which is only about a third of the entire space in here.
So we would have to have like six air conditioning units or much larger ones in order to air condition the warehouse.
Which is insane.
And it's huge amounts of money, lots of electricity.
Yeah.
So there's, there's a hundred.
Ongoing costs suck.
Yes.
So there's that.
Even when you live in BC and your, your power is pretty cheap because everything's just falling water, it still sucks.
One-time costs are good.
Yeah.
Things like buying a camera, like in the grand scheme of things, even a $5,000 camera is not that bad.
Hiring an employee for, you know, let's say, oh, I don't know, 2,500 or $3,000 a month.
Let me tell you that adds up extremely quickly.
Especially murder.
I can't read two months in you're already way past.
And then like with, with the stuff that employers have to pay for different various things, possibly one month.
And you know, what's BS with the camera.
I pay for it once and I can use it forever.
It turns out employees are nothing like slaves.
The second you stop paying them, they stop working.
In fact, if you terminate them, it is customary to pay them to keep working for another two weeks, even though they don't do it.
Anyway, we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today.
A Tesla announced the model three, although you'll have to wait a while if you want one more on that in a little while.
Ooh, this is interesting.
Lawmakers pushing to make owning an unregistered prepaid phone illegal in the United States of a hollow portation from Microsoft.
That's all I'm going to say is hollow portation.
Anything is better with portation at the end.
Yeah, like, uh, like trans portation.
That's a little boring.
Maybe.
Yeah, that's not always planes, trains, automobiles.
Yeah.
That's a great movie.
Yes.
Anyway, you don't even know that's a movie.
Do you know that's why I said you didn't know who Tom Hanks was.
You didn't know Harrison Ford played Han Solo.
Okay.
Those are misquotes and not fair.
Okay.
You know what's great about the internet?
Speaking of quotes, no, they can go watch it.
Mr. Gabe Newell once said that you can't lie to the internet because they will catch it.
You did not know Harrison Ford.
I know who Harrison Ford is.
I forgot his name in context when talking about Han Solo.
It's still inexcusable.
But that's not how it happened.
That's why I said a misquote.
God.
Won't you misquote another topic?
Um, in, uh, Bintel Eradwell IP branched there.
I misquoted a topic, which was Intel Broadwell.
No, you're done.
Intro's rolling.
You're done.
And when it's done rolling, he won't be there.
Okay, no, no.
See, there's a problem with this.
There's a big problem with this.
So I'm going to have to fix this here.
We've got ourselves a problem.
I'm just going to hold on.
I got to just.
There we go.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, no, he's back.
Okay.
Yeah, good enough.
His feet can stay.
That's it.
You're done.
Oh, what am I trying to do right now?
Oh yeah.
Sponsors squares.
Oh, he's back.
Wait, hold on.
I have to fix this.
There you go.
All right.
So I get, get back, get, get back in here.
What you said, wasn't going to be a misquote.
So I had to not be there.
Yeah.
Because then we'd have to get rid of me and then there would be no wench.
And that's a problem.
Do you know how many when shows in a row we have done on Fridays?
Whether it's, you know, Christmas or new years, which I think both fell on Fridays this year.
We kind of fake out the Christmas.
April fools.
We did fake out.
We did it on a Thursday.
That's true.
We did.
We did.
We did.
We did every other one.
We honestly haven't fake it.
Yep.
Yep.
I don't think we've, I don't think we, yeah.
I don't think we've ever actually claimed it was a live broadcast when it wasn't.
No, I've had people in the chat be like, this isn't live.
There's no way it's live.
And then I'll like reply to them in chat.
And then they're like, oh, okay.
Really?
That actually happens like quite a bit.
Oh, it'll be some holiday and they'll be like, there's no way they came into work.
It's like, actually we did.
There's been a few times where we'll move when we get the holiday.
So like we'll take the holiday on the Monday instead of the Friday.
Or there's been other times where we just come into work at like four.
Yep.
I think we did that.
I think we only did that once, but Luke and I did do one day where just he and I came
in, no one else was in the office.
We hosted the land show and then we peaced out.
It was a beautiful day.
If I recall correctly.
It was actually, yeah.
Yeah.
I think it must've been like BC day or family day or something like that.
And we're just like, yeah, it's really hot in this room and it's really gorgeous outside.
We had to like listen to the kids walking.
Yeah.
Anyways, speaking of gorgeous outside, the original article was posted on the forum
by Maybach one 23.
Yes, I have Tesla model three announced the release is set for 2017, which is a very,
very generous headline courtesy of the verge because, uh, I think what musk actually said
was that production will be starting in late 2017 with the plan being to actually deliver
cars by the end of 2017, which is, yeah, which, which based on how many people have pre-ordered
the damn thing already probably doesn't mean that everyone who pre-orders is getting one
right off the hop.
No, no, definitely not.
Like I wouldn't expect it to be any different than their other launches where they're just
going to go in order their pre-order list.
So, okay.
What do you think the very front?
Okay.
So what I think it looks ugly.
Okay.
But because you said speaking of beautiful and I was like, I'm not much, no, I'm not
much of a, I'm not much of a car guy.
So I generally don't have much of an opinion about a car, but this looks jarring and unattractive
to me, but I think I understand why again, maybe because it looks like it kind of crashed
into a wall.
Maybe because I'm not a car guy because I'm looking at it.
I, I like to think very, very objectively, and I think what I don't like about it is
just that the grill is missing.
I understand why the grill is not there.
You don't need one.
You don't need one for an electric car.
There's no, there's no radiator.
There's no heater core.
Well, oh no, there is a heater core probably, but I guess that would just be handled down
here or something.
Anyway.
Anyway, like I get why it's ugly and it has kind of a, it has kind of a Porsche look to
it a little bit to me.
Like the hood has kind of like a Porsche look to it.
Brandon says it looks like a Panamera to him, but I think if you, if you shopped a
grill onto it, all of a sudden it wouldn't look so unnatural to people.
And I think car people who find beauty in every line and every aspect of a car are used
to seeing something.
It's like, it's like, let's say a very beautiful woman who didn't have a nose.
Maybe she's still beautiful, but you're looking for, you're looking for the elements
that make the person a human and if something's missing, it's, I think it's jarring.
But then at the same time, you're going to get people that want jarring.
So people are going to really like this.
There's people that might be super into the chick with no nose.
It like, it, yeah, exactly.
When I first saw this, I thought it looked especially, probably because of the lighting
in that photo.
If you want to jump back there and share it.
So I'm assuming it's especially, because this specific photo is the only time that
I've been like, Ooh, I don't really like it, but you can see right along the edge here.
It's it's I'm going to, yeah, I can't really, so right along there, you can see the line
from the lighting and it makes it look like this super harsh angle.
It does.
It looks like it was like angle folded in and like it was smashed into a wall.
And I don't really like that, but in profile pictures, it doesn't look nearly as bad.
So I think it's because of the lighting in that one photo.
Interesting.
It looks, it looks like super bent in and awkward.
And I know like, uh, Brandon brought up the Panamera and there are some Porsche cars
that do kind of do that, but then there's something going on there, whether it's a grille
or something, an opening, I know they have the opening at the bottom, but it doesn't
really look the same.
It still looks like a pretty harsh edge.
It still does look like, it still does look like, you know, everything.
It looks like someone took a styrofoam cutter and just cut off the front of the car.
Yeah, I can see it.
And you know what, like the thing is, is that if there was a grille on there, it wouldn't
bother you, I bet.
Because you could even have the grille come, it could even be concave.
I mean, concave grilles are a thing.
You could have a concave grille right there and it would look totally natural.
But I think it's, I think it's like the nose analogy is pretty good where it's just like
the nose isn't there and you're looking for something you're expecting and you end up
with like, it kind of looks bland here.
Like I'm expecting, because the grille is an accent piece.
I mean, that's why you call, you know, the gold teeth nonsense.
That's why you call it a grille.
It's like, it's a fancy, it's a dressed up element of a vehicle and it's missing on
this car.
Um, the registration plate will be there.
Yeah, I don't know how much that's going to help.
Yeah, good point and thank you for bringing that up, but I don't know how much it'll
help.
It's going to be such a small thing and it's very overlooked on a lot of cars anyways.
Yeah.
It surprises me that for the sake of fuel economy, they don't have like an air scoop
that filters air through the car or something like that.
Like you, uh, like it, it, it looks like a very blunt nose, but I'm sure Tesla thought
it.
I was just going to say, I'm sure there's some logic behind the, like even aerodynamics
of it.
Having a straight wall doesn't normally seem like a great idea for that.
I'm sure there's something going on there.
I mean, it's one of those things where it's not until you, it's not until you sit in a
better engineered car that you, you appreciate certain things about it.
Like I had, uh, the first vehicle that I ever sat in that I noticed this on, like my, my
family always had North American vehicles.
And so the first car I ever noticed this on was a Volkswagen Jetta of some sort, some,
some, some model.
It was a long time ago and I marveled that when I opened the windows, when I unrolled
them in the rain, the rain didn't drip inside the car.
And I was like, leave it to the Germans to figure out how you can open your window.
Like, as long as it's not torrential downpour or like coming in that way or angled how to
have the water kind of fly past the car instead of like going right into the window and soaking
whoever's in the back seat.
I was like, this is amazing.
I think it was a 91 Jetta and I, I don't, I suspect, but not every Volkswagen or, and
it could have been by chance.
It could have been entirely by chance, although I doubt it.
Um, so, so it, it, it blows me away the number of things that go into something as that's
seemingly as simple to the untrained viewer as the body design of a car where you just
kind of go, yeah, it must just be for looks, right?
No manufacturer ability, uh, aerodynamics, things like keeping the fricking rain off
of people absolutely, absolutely stunning.
The amount of work that goes into something like this being said, I think the rest of
the car is very good looking.
I think the rest of the car is actually very plain looking for a $35,000 cargo brand new.
Okay.
So here I'm going to, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to put us here.
Does that not pretty much look like the butt end of my civic?
I just like the little Tesla badge.
You dislike the Tesla badge.
Really?
You don't like this?
No, I, I just like, Oh, you just like that.
That's it.
Not dislike.
Okay.
So I didn't know, like, cause when you covered it up, I was like, kind of boring.
So like, that's probably, that's probably a significant part of it.
You are so fricking shallow.
If you look at the back too, though, I think there's like a cool window thing going on.
Uh, yeah.
Okay.
So no, they've, uh, verge has another, has another shot of it.
Um, here, let's go ahead.
I'm just gonna, cause I liked that cool.
I thought, yeah, so that's pretty cool.
Okay.
So it's one continuous piece of glass all the way from the front of the windshield to the
back of the windshield.
And this is another, I was going to say, this is another thing that kind of blows me away
because Musk has come right out and said that it will be one of the safest cars available.
And I'm kind of giant piece of glass over everyone.
And I'm kind of going, I mean, this is something people don't think about because how often
do you pick up, you know, a six foot long piece of glass?
Not very often.
No fricking heavy.
Oh yeah.
I had to put the door back on my, uh, my glass enclosed shower thing at home with the help
of my, with the help of my wife and like, it was all we could do to get it on crooked.
It's on crooked now.
And I was like, she wanted to take it off.
And it was one of those like husband and wife things where, you know, she's wrong and you
know, you're going to regret it, but you do it anyway.
Cause you're just like, yes, you're right, dear.
It is very, very important indeed to, you know, clean the thing under the hinge or whatever
stupid asinine thing it is that we're doing right now.
Let's take it off.
And so we did, and I regretted it and so did she.
So now it actually doesn't close anymore.
But it kind of mostly closes.
Do you get splash or anything?
No, no, it's probably, it is functionally functional, but not aesthetically functional.
It is functionally functional.
Yes.
Thank you for that.
Yeah.
I knew what I said was dumb as soon as I said it, but uh, you helped.
The instant replay was much appreciated.
Coming back to the car.
I do like that part a lot.
It looks really cool.
I worry about it in crashes and stuff.
Yeah.
I mean, if he's, I mean, the Model S is a shockingly safe car.
It is.
And this is a five star safety rating.
So like, I don't know, again, that just seems like, I mean, so many, the thing about modern
cars is that what has made them so safe speeds on highways have gone up.
The speeds that people travel have gone up the, the incidents of injury and death and
collisions have gone down dramatically in the last 50 years and crumple zones.
That's been the answer is let the car take the brunt of it.
And I don't understand how glass factors into a crumple zone, unless it is that, that
cubing glass that you find on automobiles where it's designed to go, okay, ha ha, I'm
dead and disintegrate into a bajillion pieces.
But why would you want that type of glass above the driver and the passenger?
I thought it would be windshield glass.
Well, that would be, that's, that's that kind.
Oh, I thought you're okay.
Yeah.
So it's either designed to be rigid in which case, um, it seems like a problem or it's
designed to shatter into a bazillion pieces.
In which case, but windshield glass holds together when it shatters, it visibly shatters,
but it holds together.
Windshield glass.
Hold on.
Maybe I'm thinking, is it side glass?
Side glass blows the hell up because, okay, my mom had a, while I was in the car, had
a rock come through her drive side window and it exploded.
Window is gone.
The front of the window, you can beat the crap out of the front of a car window and
it'll just like...
No, you're right.
Cause you can like stick a bat through them.
Okay.
So, but either way then, either answer, I don't understand.
I think I understand windshield glass a lot more.
No, no.
So you think this is windshield glass?
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, then in that case.
Yeah.
And what someone just said, roofs aren't part of crumple zones.
It would be your trunk and your front.
That's true.
Okay.
That's true.
So as long as you don't get hit by a semi, the theory would be then that the crumple,
in which case you're doomed anyway.
Uh, so the theory would be then that the crumple zone wouldn't actually reach the roof.
Things that kind of worry me, uh, outside of that are if you get t-boned and your door,
like buy something big.
Yeah.
And the door frame, like if you get hit by a, by an SUV.
Like a truck or an SUV or something in the like upper part of your doorframe bends.
But then if it's made of windshield glass.
Then it should just visibly, visibly explode, but mostly hold its shape.
Assuming it's affixed very securely here, here, and here.
Which it kind of looks like.
The idea would be that it could basically dent in without necessarily creating a disastrous
glass layered.
I think there's like glass and then plastic and then glasses.
Like laminated.
Yeah.
I don't remember exactly what it is.
Don't quote me on that.
I would look it up.
It's kind of cool actually, but it should, it should visibly shatter like crazy, but
then kind of hold this shape to the point where if I remember correctly, I've seen videos
of people like pulling it and it like bends, but it still holds its shape and like will
visibly blow up, but still hold its shape.
I don't remember what the exact combination of things is, but.
It's been like guys stop.
You know, nothing about glass.
Well, that's welcome to the land.
All right.
So let's talk about some of the other things we do know about the car.
Price is looking to start at $35,000, which puts it right smack in range of the new bolt
that, uh, hold on volt and volt volt, the volt that Chevy was no, wait, no bolt bolt
that Chevy was showing off at the auto show that I just attended.
Oh, that is so confusing.
So yeah, Chevy volt is the, is the hybrid, which is a plugin hybrid starting 2017.
And then the bolt is the pure electric.
So Chevy is saying that the bolt will be sub $30,000 in the U S assuming that you get the
full federal, uh, tax credit, which I think can be as much as $7,500.
Okay.
But if you are in a link Tesla's quoting that, and if you are in a lower income bracket,
you won't necessarily be able to take advantage of it because it is a tax refund.
So it assumes that you paid $7,500 in taxes and then they refund that.
Okay.
Um, it will deliver at least 215 miles of range.
Although we are a long way out from when the car is actually shipping, um, which is end
of 2017, Elon Musk, fairly confident, according to our notes here, that deliveries will begin
by the end of 2017.
So they've got time to tune in and that's very similar to what Chevy is quoting on the
bolt.
Actually, this really, it was actually kind of fun doing the auto show, even though like,
again, I'm not really a car guy.
Cause I got to talk to so many people, but I have like little snippets of information
that are actually relevant to what we're talking about right now for a change.
I don't have to kind of sit there and be like during the car topics.
Um, it's also fairly comparable to a Hyundai's IONIQ, which is I believe shipping now in
Korea and coming soon to North America.
So, um, yeah, really cool car.
Have you seen the IONIQ?
No.
Three different drive trains, uh, traditional hybrid plug-in hybrid.
So with like, um, I think it's about a 22 or 25 mile or 18 somewhere, somewhere in the
18 to 25 mile pure electric range.
And then it switches over to a gas motor for a gas engine and then a pure electric.
So three different drive trains of otherwise the same basic car.
Very interesting car.
Oh, so you can buy.
Okay.
I was like, why the hell would you ever do that?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's like, yeah.
Hot swap drive trains.
That just sounds needlessly expensive for so many reasons.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, so that's really, this is great.
So the, the, the pre-orders in our notes are 130,000.
Although I think you were saying Musk has tweeted a number that's higher than that.
Uh, someone about this, uh, model three pre-orders.
Yay for having computers.
Uh, 7.5 billion worth of model three pre-orders in 24 hours.
20 hours ago, it was, uh, past the 150,000 mark.
Wow.
So, so hold on a second.
Let's, let's whip out the old, uh, calculate trees here.
Oh, here we go.
180,000 cars.
Now the craziest thing about this, and this is, this is really cool.
This is really smart is that those people did more than just kind of, uh, you know,
uh, uh, answer a straw poll on the internet or like a Facebook event invitation.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They, they paid a thousand dollars each for the pre-order pre-ordered it.
Crazy.
And what's really cool about that is I was actually talking to Brandon when we were at
the car show about how much cash Tesla has burned over the last 18 months.
It's like over a billion dollars.
Like they are actually, I believe they are, they could be, it's somewhere in, they have
somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 billion of cash left.
Don't quote me on that exact number, but they're burning through it so fast that I
was talking to Brandon.
I was like, yeah, like they're going to run out at some point here.
So they're going to have to go back for another round of investment or something.
Brilliant idea, take pre-orders, you know, uh, 20 months in advance and that actually
just put a significant amount of cash into the company that actually lets them run for
not an insubstantial amount of time to continue developing the model three, while they are
still not able to actually ship cars.
I mean, you know, do, do, do the, I should be able to do this in my head and I feel bad
for the 7.5 billion is the total if everyone paid full price for the car, which I don't
even think is possible right now.
So it's about $180 million.
Yeah.
So that's the cash injection they just got as effectively like a, like a, a, a, a, a
Kickstarter towards the model three, except that you don't actually have to pay the full
amount.
Yeah.
And they don't have to give Kickstarter a cut.
Yeah.
So that is an incredible chunk of, uh, chunk of moolah in order to, uh, in order to get
things, uh, in order to get things rolling over the next little bit.
Oh, this is, this is great.
USA today has pre-orders topping 198,000 as of two hours later than the verge.
Like check this out.
This is very much a developing story.
How many pre-orders Tesla is getting on the model three.
Wow.
Um, I can't share topics right now because Firefox, Firefox, that's basically what it
is doing right now.
Fail Fox.
Um, Firefox is completely crashed.
Uh, I can do it.
Give me a moment.
Uh, which, which one are we, which one are we linking here?
Just, uh, I was gonna, I was gonna share some of the statistics sites.
Um, but for this, oh, I think I already shared the car.
Oh, okay.
Then we're good.
Um, okay.
So five adults will fit comfortably in the model three and comfortably in the model
three.
And comfortably is apparently the important part here.
Um, all model three cars will support Tesla's high speed, supercharging network, as well
as feature the hardware, which is interesting.
They specifically said the hardware for autonomous driving features.
Um, so it's possible you will end up having to pay more in order to enable the software
unlock of it.
Um, but what's cool about it coming with the hardware is it means that you could potentially
buy that later on down the line, which is a lot easier to swap.
Um, and would be really cool for things like the resale value of this type of a vehicle.
So if you got to kind of go, no, I want to drive my car myself, but Hey, you're looking
to sell it and someone else wanted the autonomous version.
Hey, that's, that's pretty cool.
You can just download that kit of the car.
All models will apparently feature the full safety suite.
So all of the safety features and, um, shoot, there was something else that was really cool
that I was going to say just now.
Right.
And there will be, but there will be variants that will cost more.
So that, that $7.5 billion estimate that assumes that people are only spending, uh, the very
base, right?
$35,000.
But there's going to be a two wheel drive.
There's going to be a four wheel drive model.
There's going to be any number of different trim levels.
So a thousand dollars down just means you're committed to buy one.
It doesn't mean that you're committed to buy a base model.
And I can imagine people spending more than $35,000 on, okay.
It was based off an average retail price of 42.
Oh, 42.
Sorry.
So I didn't know that.
So thank you.
I just wanted to double check because I wasn't sure.
I assumed they would just go for that, but like, I don't know.
I have, can you even go through like a car configurator at this point?
I really don't think so.
So then how do people know what the average retail price is?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, but like option mix and stuff.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah.
So I'm not really sure entirely how people are getting that number because like, I'm
not necessarily sure, especially with a super affordable car that's going to come with a
lot of its features anyways.
Like how much extra are people necessarily going to add?
I don't know.
You know, I actually take a completely different view of it than you do.
The way that I see it, like as someone who's a total cheapskate and has never bought an
expensive car, one of the things that I've been waiting for to upgrade the SuperCivic
is an electric vehicle that makes sense.
So for me, if I'm kind of going, okay, I have the SuperCivic is a 2003 that I've been driving
since 2006.
And so for a 10-year investment, do I really want to do to myself what I did to myself
last time, cheaping out and not getting air conditioning?
And is this thing going to not come with air conditioning?
No, that's what I mean.
Like without a kit configurator, AC is usually extra.
Really?
I mean, well, but the thing is Tesla's cars cost six figures right now.
Yeah.
So it would be a base model feature, but this is a $35,000 car.
So I don't know.
Without a kit configurator.
It's impossible to say.
Yeah.
But I could see myself investing in some extra creature comforts.
I wouldn't be too surprised either.
Like real deal, I'm going to keep it 10 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I could know.
I could totally see that.
I'm just saying like, just deciding on that number is maybe a little weird.
Anyways.
So this is interesting.
Here's a blog post from Elon Musk, August 2nd, 2006, where he outlined the master plan,
um, which has actually totally come to fruition, blah, blah, blah.
As you know, Tesla Roadster is a first car.
It's a sports car.
I am going to use the money we make on this to fund, to make something more affordable.
Enter the Model S.
Then I'm going to use the money from that to make something that is much more affordable.
Enter the Model 3.
So basically he said 10 years ago, what he was going to do, blah, blah, blah.
Here you go.
So here's the summary.
The rest of the automotive industry had 10 years to react to this master plan that he
actually put in plain and simple English on the teslamotors.com blog and only Chevy looks
like they have somewhat reacted to it.
Properly tried.
Yeah.
Um, with that said, I do see the electric car as a secondary vehicle for most people
still, even the model three with, I see it as a second.
I see it like the second family car kind of deal.
Not necessarily even the second one, but I see it as a, as a car for people who have
two vehicles.
Because the range and recharging considerations make it, um, make it so that if I wanted to
go on a family road trip, and I realize you can just rent a van and do things like that.
But aside from the cost, it is much less common for road trips.
These days.
Very inconvenient.
Um, so the, the, the reason that bad, if you're going on a road trip, you could plan out a
situation where you're not going to be able to go on a family road trip.
Is it that bad if you're going on a road trip, you could plan out a supercharging stations.
You could 15 miles a days.
Not that much.
No.
If you're doing a family road trip though.
Yeah, that's true.
Do you need to slam?
Like, I don't know.
That's true.
But I mean, I don't know.
I don't feel like I would need to buy an entirely different car on the off chance that I wanted
to do a family road trip and book it the whole time.
But would you, as someone who only has a single car, would you buy a pure electric then?
Sure.
You think so?
Uh, here it would be a little bit harder.
Well, I would also probably be completely fine because the craziest stuff I do is drive
to kits line on back, which is completely covered in 215 miles.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I can see why everyone else, not everyone, but many
others are betting so much more heavily now on hybrid electric or excuse me, plug in plug
in hybrid, um, is what, is what everyone's calling it, where it has an electric motor.
And some of them are very reasonable.
Like I think, uh, the Prius prime is able to do something like 80, 85 miles an hour on
the electric motor.
Like it's, it's, it's not, or 77 or something, whatever it's, it's like highway cruising
very comfortably, very quickly speed.
Um, and with a range of about 22 miles, it's like, so everyone's in like that high teens,
uh, to low to mid twenties range with a range like that.
I do kind of see it as best of both worlds where you can do your daily commute probably
on the electric motor.
And then the gas motor, the gas engine, which has got a range of, you know, 300 to 350 miles
on most of the cars that I was looking at that'll handle anything that is not covered
by pure electric.
That strikes me as a more potentially much more convenient solution.
If you only have one car.
So while I agree with you, depending on your lifestyle, pure electric could be the one
car.
If I was going to make a $35,000 investment that I was planning to keep for however many
years, I also definitely see the value of a plugin hybrid.
I understand that.
I just think the amount of people that expect to drive, uh, 107.5 miles in one direction
and back a day is a little crazy.
Um, the amount of times people are going to go on a road trip, it would be very cost effective
to save the money, not buying a plugin hybrid and just buying an electric and then just
renting a car.
Unless a plugin hybrid is very similarly priced to a pure electric.
If it is, but I don't see the added literal mechanics that have to go into the car, not
making some other form of difference to make it the same price, but you might lose a trim
level somewhere.
You might lose something in order to make it the same price.
I feel like that would happen because you're literally adding things to the car.
So you're thinking potentially even longer term than me where you don't want to do any
maintenance on the car pretty much other than replacing your battery pack periodically.
That isn't even what I was saying, but that is a very good point and I'll take it.
Um, what I was saying was literally putting those functions in the car would increase
the raw cost of the car, right?
So, so like trim level would have to go down or something to make it an equal price.
Remember too though that they have much smaller batteries, like way smaller batteries.
And that is a huge part of the cost of an electric car.
Yes, but I mean, well, they have much, they have much lower range to correspond to their
much smaller batteries.
Here's another consideration though.
Um, so Musk also said that the model three is going to be capable of zero to 60 and under
six seconds.
Um, no one's quoting zero to 60 times on the plugin hybrids that I saw at the auto show.
So I don't expect those electric.
Everyone's quoting top speeds, which does not mean that you're getting torque off the
line.
Yeah.
Um, I mean, you'll probably still be doing okay because it is an electric motor, but
it is not the same kind of electric motor that you would find in a model S or even a
model three.
Which like some people are gonna say like, oh yeah, well like you can't speed cause it's
legal or whatever.
Anyways, having fast pickup is actually very, very helpful.
Very useful.
It's one of the things that I like most about riding on a motorbike, um, is the fact that
people say, Hey, riding on a motorcycle is really dangerous.
And it, if you get hit, you're probably dead on the highway.
Like to be realistic, I think motorcycle helmets have any functionality up to about 60 to 65
kilometers an hour past that they do pretty much nothing.
You might as well be wearing a baseball hat.
Um, don't tell my wife.
I said that I'm actually putting the bike back on the road very, very soon.
Awesome.
But one of the counter arguments that I make about riding a bike is that a, my visibility
is so much better than you because I actually have my full field of vision with no obstructions
whatsoever.
B I am smaller than you.
So someone can actually be encroaching on my lane by a meter and I can still be in my
lane and not being hit by that person.
Number three is I am a way more agile than you.
So as long as I have my head on a swivel, I have seen a motorcycle dodge an accident
that another car ended up getting in.
I have seen it on the road.
He saw it coming and just, I was just supposed to have stepped on it, but that's not really
how that works.
Uh, got out of there really quickly and then the car ended up careening into someone else.
Having fast pickup, I would argue based on my experience as a rider, if you have your
eyes, not just on the road, but all around you, having fast pickup is as important or
more important than fast breaking.
If you want to avoid accidents.
And it's one of the things I like most about my bike is it makes me much more able to avoid
a bad situation.
These are much more on you.
Yes.
Yeah.
Um, being, being a defensive rider is while I'm not going to say safe is not as dangerous
as I think people would potentially believe if they had only ever been behind the wheel
of a car and had never ridden a bike.
Right.
So I definitely see having torque, um, as, as a very important safety feature of the
vehicle.
There was even, I don't remember who did it, but they, they did a, uh, they did a video
on, uh, their electric car showing that it was slower than a whole bunch of other cars.
Then they showed that like off the line, it was really fast.
They're like, yeah, you're not going to get the top speed at like a few miles of like
this, this Challenger or whatever.
Yeah.
But in a, in a city when all that really matters is you maybe being able to get in front of
the other person right after the intersection.
Make that light.
Yeah, exactly.
That kind of stuff.
Like you can do those things very effectively, which is probably all you're really going
to be able to use anyways.
Cause you're probably not going to take this car to a track and that's realistically the
only time that you'd be able to use that.
So like that's actually kind of interesting.
So let's move on to our next topic.
I just realized we had spent like 20 minutes talking about the model three on the show.
So I'm sorry.
I'm on the show and we're talking about electric cars.
So we could just keep going.
It's fine.
Virtual reality or electric cars.
I can just, it's fine.
It'll be okay.
So this was originally posted by Nine Shadow on the forum.
Lawmakers pushing to make owning an unregistered prepaid phone illegal in the US.
So the original article here is from Android authority.
And uh, yes, yes.
Matrix references are very clever.
Um, so there's a new bill in the works called the prepaid mobile device security gap act
of 2016.
If it passes, anyone who purchases a prepaid cell phone will be forced to register their
identity with the device.
And this law is being pushed forward by Jackie Speyer, a democratic representative from California.
So supporters of the bill are saying that it's a solution to the loophole that is allowing,
you know, ne'er do wells to purchase prepaid phones as ways to conduct their illicit business.
And that's definitely a thing.
And that is definitely a reality.
Um, one thing that I wonder about these days though, is like you ban this.
They're just going to buy smartphones without a plan and start using other applications.
Lot more expensive.
Two bit drug dealers can't afford to run out and buy smartphones.
Um, hold on a second.
Yeah, but if you were to buy that, then you would have to, if you buy it off a plan, you
would have to register their identity with the device.
Well, that's what people are doing right now is they're buying devices.
Oh wait.
So we're talking about prepaid cell phones.
Yeah.
This would not be a, you would not have cellular.
So you buy a $20 smartphone off a plan and then use wifi and whatnot.
You could.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, but you could even hotspot.
Wifi is quite traceable though.
Relatively speaking.
Yeah, I mean, wifi gives you the location, uh, that gives you potentially a security
camera feed nearby.
Like if you were making calls off wifi, I was thinking making a hotspot from your phone.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
But then even then that can be traced back to that device again.
So it ends and stuff like, I don't know.
I don't think it's the hardest thing to get around.
I would argue that the average two bit drug dealer does not know how to use a VPN.
Okay.
And that's probably fair, but then they just need like one techie dude in their crew to
hook them up with cell phones.
Yeah.
But I would argue that probably many of them do not have that.
And if they did, that's a more elegant solution than running around buying.
We need more of those like classic gangster squad groups where there's like the hacker
guy on the, on the laptop and like the thug dude.
And then like the funny guy that drives the car and like, yeah.
Anyways, that's how crime works.
Every movie ever.
Yeah.
It's like, that's your major in crime school.
Which dude you are.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's perfect.
I wonder how many people remember crime school.
More than you'd think.
People have been bringing it up to me.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
I mean, I guess to me, this doesn't feel so much like taking away a freedom as, um, as
closing, closing a gap that was, that was introduced accidentally.
Because it's not like when phones were introduced, a line wasn't tied to a physical
address.
And then later on when cell phones were introduced, a line wasn't tied to a person, um,
who also had a physical address.
When the yellow pages started, was it literally everyone was in it?
Like everyone with them?
Yeah.
White pages.
And you're so young.
So the yellow pages are for businesses.
Oh.
And the white pages are for individuals.
Both of my book had both of them in it.
We actually did use it.
It's been a long time.
Uh, but, but, but, but yes.
Yeah.
So it used to be that you actually would, uh, you could contact.
I had looked up people that I knew in the, I guess, white pages, like when I was a kid
in order to be like, I know this dude's name, but I don't remember his phone number.
And then I could just find him literally.
Yep.
And you would just like call all the like P Fernandez until you reached the right one.
Yeah.
There might be a few of the same name or whatever, but.
So it used to be that you actually had to pay to not be included.
So you had to, you had to, I think it was, it was either BC tell that you contacted,
or it was yellow pages or can pages or whatever they were called at the time.
It's can pages now.
It used to be.
So you would contact them and then there was a processing fee involved and you could get
an unlisted number that that was where unlisted numbers came, came from.
So, um, yeah, so, so the whole idea of being able to have a phone line anonymously is actually
very new.
So I can see why they want to close this gap.
I really doubt that this law will be pushed through.
And if it is pushed through, I doubt there will be any real way to enforce this, uh,
because in much the same way that you can go to NCIX and you can tell them your name
is John Smith and create a customer profile around that.
The law isn't about buying phones and having them registered.
The law is about being on a plan, having a pay-as-you-go plan that's unregistered.
So I guess what I don't understand is if you have a pay-as-you-go plan, what prevents you
then from, okay, sorry.
Not phone then, uh, SIM or refill card.
So if I have a pay-as-you-go plan, what prevents me from registering it with fake information
and you could say, yes, there will be all these regulations in place to prevent you
from doing that.
But at the end of the day, that's not going to stop, you know, Joe two bit, uh, you know,
corner store guy from actually what, what, like walking to your house and verifying that
you actually live there.
Like, like what personal information are we expecting people to submit in order to register
for their prepaid plan?
Can you buy, I guess you can probably buy prepaid stuff.
I wonder if it's going to stop online sales of prepaid stuff.
You might have to show your driver's license in store.
Maybe, but then what will, how will you enforce that?
I mean, I guess what you can do then is you can make it the problem of the corner store
and then you can shut them down.
Um, but it's going to be a long and uphill battle.
Yeah.
I just, people are saying you could ask for social security number.
I mean, come on, what do you have to provide your social security number?
Like that's terrible.
That's really, if that's the solution and I'm not getting, I oppose this.
Yeah, I'm not giving my sin or SSN or whatever to any random like corner store or big box
store employee.
There's no way that's happening in a freaking lifetime.
I mean, not some employee who will have my like name, address, phone number on file with
my social security or whatever.
And identity theft shot up 3000% in the state of California.
That's like the worst idea.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So no, that would be, that would be terrible.
Um, I refuse to go to a, uh, Nick light switched gyms.
We used to work out together and he switched gyms.
Um, and then the, the new gym, they take your bank account information and then withdraw
money directly from your bank account.
And I was like, okay, I'm not going to your gym.
Cause it's just, I don't like that.
They can't just take a credit card?
No, they refuse to take credit card.
They refuse to take cash.
They refuse to take, it's like a 3% processing.
It has to be on time billing and it has to be withdrawn directly from your bank account.
But then you can get overdrawn.
I know I was just like, nah dude, I'm out.
Like, I don't know.
I don't like it.
And like, I don't like giving people that kind of information, like checks passing back
and forth.
My mind is insane.
I don't really want people to know me anyways.
Yeah.
Just insanity.
Um, speaking of insanity, sponsors, they're insane to sponsor us.
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I was a little bit lying behind, so I was reading the Twitch chat that was talking about
something we were just talking about, and then I forgot we were going to do that.
Then I glommed on there a little bit after that.
So on the subject of taking credit card and how easy it is, maybe that gym should get
themselves a FreshBooks account.
Oh my God, that would be way better.
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Oh no, I didn't read it.
Yeah, sorry I'm late.
Yeah, I just got it today.
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Yes, you want to hear about another stupid gym payment story?
Sure, we have a lot of topics to cover this week though, and we have done nothing.
There's a really cool gym in Miami that I liked a lot, went there a few times, tried
to get a membership there.
The problem was you have to pay on the exact same day every single month, and you have
to pay in cash in an envelope, and if you miss it, your key fob dies, and you can't
come in, you have to make an appointment with the guy that owns it, and then you can pay
again, so I was there for a month, and then never again.
I could have told him that you're not organized enough to do that.
Well, I was literally out of the country for work, and I was like, this is going to happen
way too much, I'm out of here.
So yeah, anyways.
Okay, let's talk about Holoportation.
Original article here is from Gizmodo, and that is some cool shiz that we got going on
right there.
So right now you're seeing it where he's scaled it down quite a bit, but realistically,
this is a previous recording.
He's the one facing away from the main camera here, that's him and his daughter.
That's a previous recording that he had just done in that room, like minutes before
he shows this demo.
So what he's trying to show is that you can do it in real time, you can have conversations
with people or your family or your coworkers or whatever, and then you could theoretically
play it back.
So if you want to relive a memory, so say you had your family over for dinner and you
had everyone hanging out in the family room afterwards.
And your family was crazy and said crazy stuff and denied it later.
You could record it and then give it to everyone in the family to either relive those fantastic
memories or to prove your accusations later on, I guess, is where that may or may not
have been going.
But this is cool for a whole bunch of reasons.
One of them is being able to have people there, say in family situations that might live across
the country.
Other ones are different companies that might not have everyone working in the same place.
We're in the same place.
Some larger companies have multiple offices around the world.
If you want to work with someone, it is actually legitimately kind of easier to do things if
you feel like you're in the same room.
And these things-
How out of business are these guys?
Are so dumb, in my opinion.
I've never been into these.
They like, you can control them and like wheel them around and there's a screen on it and
a webcam and they just don't matter, in my opinion, at all.
Oh, I have to go up the stairs.
You want to pick me up?
I'm probably pretty heavy.
You can put me up there and then I can keep wheeling around.
I don't know.
I always thought that was kind of a stupid thing, but this is actually kind of cool.
If you go to the video and probably mute it, but go to the very beginning, he's interacting
with a dude.
Now, to be fair, all of this looks like it was kind of previously recorded because the
skits are just so bad, but it might actually just be because the skits are so bad that
it feels like it was previously recorded.
Before he even said that you could record them, I thought they were recordings.
So this, yeah, he's interacting with this guy.
So theoretically, there you go.
You see, he kind of like teleports into the room and you can tell he's digital, but it's
pretty good.
That's crazy, hey?
Yeah.
So one thing to note is that the camera that's filming this has HoloLens equipment-y stuff
on it so that it can overlay things in real time, but that's not obviously exactly what
you would see.
So what the HoloLens would actually more kind of see is in the bottom left-hand corner.
So the color is much less accurate.
It doesn't look nearly as good, but you can see where it's going and this is a dev kit
or whatever.
So it's pretty cool.
They can't actually high-five.
Very, very cool though.
It's super and you can see the cameras and there's more of them behind them.
There's cameras all throughout the room and they're actually pretty crazy cameras.
Yeah.
This is maybe not going to like be in your home right away, but a super cool this so
actually eventually happen kind of deal.
And once they get them down to the size of like kind of the lighthouse sensors for the
Vive, which at this point I'm way more excited for than the Rift, but that's maybe for a
different day.
Once they get them down to that size and the HoloLens isn't this like giant thing that
you have to wear on your face and it's more like glasses.
That's going to be insane.
Absolutely insane.
I don't know.
I really like the idea of telecommuting.
Yeah, not necessarily telecommunication, but telecommuting like being able to go to work
digitally.
I think that's going to be super cool, especially for congestion and population density in crazy
cities because if we get better internet infrastructure outside of just cities and people are able
to commute to work, which is 10 hours away instantaneously, that's awesome.
We don't have to have everyone in these crazy high rises right really close to their work
all the time.
And we don't have problems like in Vancouver where our land in actual Vancouver is fairly
restricted and everyone has to live super far out and houses cost like $2 million.
Water, United States of America, congestion.
Yes, exactly.
So people being able to telecommute into Vancouver would help so many things.
I mean, for employers, it'd be great if I could hire someone where I just kind of go,
okay, so you're proposing that I pay your relocation costs, your labor market impact
assessment charge, which by the way is very expensive with the lawyers involved and all
that.
Like we hired an American a little while ago, not easier for him, but we looked into the
LMIA, it is very expensive, very complicated and very time consuming.
There's a company in Vancouver, Hootsuite, who has recently released a blog talking about
how it's becoming excessively difficult for them to hire anyone because it's becoming
excessively difficult for talented young people to live in Vancouver.
So there's a mass exodus of like young talent in Vancouver.
We don't live in Vancouver for a very specific reason because it's too freaking expensive.
So this makes life a little bit better for employers because I can say, okay, how about
this?
Instead of paying your relocation costs and all of those other associated fees, why don't
I just set you up like a space where you're going to kind of live?
And then if I ever want to talk to you, then I'll flip on my presumably much more high
tech and much less clunky HoloLens glasses.
I'll pay for you to have a setup next to your desk that you actually just set aside at your
house wherever you live.
And if I ever need to talk to you, I'll know where you are.
Yeah, no seriously, and you could literally have like just a corner or whatever because
it doesn't have to be very fancy on your end, but just where they sit theoretically.
And you could go see them quite physically.
You could see them working at their desk and you can be like, what's that?
And it could be projected and everything could be kind of cool.
I don't know.
Very cool.
Speaking of things that are cool, this was originally posted by Cuda Cores on the forum
and the original article here is from WCCF Tech and the Intel Broadwell EP family has
been launched.
So this is the Xeon E5 2600 V4 family based on the Broadwell architecture.
So the servers are actually lagging more than a full architecture behind the desktop products
these days.
But the good news about this is this means that Extreme Edition on LGA 2011 3 can't be
far behind.
So hopefully we'll be getting some new Enthusiast desktop Extreme Edition chips that aren't
based on, sorry, what are they?
They're still Haswell based, aren't they?
Yeah, so Intel is actually spanning three architectures right now.
They're running Skylake on the mainstream desktop.
They've got Broadwell based chips on the server side, and then they are still running
Haswell on the Enthusiast side, which is like, anyway.
So they finally launched them.
They make use of their 14 nanometer core architecture, increased core count, core IPC improvements,
as we already know, because there's not a whole lot we don't know about this.
Yeah.
We're talking Haswell to Broadwell, like happened a while ago.
And better performance per watt compared to the existing chips.
The main cool thing, 22 threads, multi-threaded.
22 cores.
Or 22 cores, sorry, 44 threads.
Yeah, right there, baby.
So of course I'll be calling up my contacts at Intel and being like, yo, I want two.
One is not enough.
No one CPU can be enough for me.
With GPU announcements on the horizon and this kind of happening, we're getting into
Compensator territory again, because Compensator can't, I had someone messaged me the other
day and they're like, how are you going to do one when he just made the 7Gamers1 CPU
$30,000 computer?
How do you make a Compensator, which was not nearly as expensive as that, when that just
happened?
I think it can still happen.
I think so.
Because it's more, the Compensator was never like literally the most insane thing you can
possibly build.
No, it was like, what are the most expensive but still consumer kind of things that you
can get?
Not dual CPU motherboards.
And intended for one user.
Yes.
The Compensator machine delivers more horsepower to a single user than 7Gamers1 CPU could have,
actually, on the GPU side of things anyway.
So there you have it.
There is no reason why we can't still do a Compensator.
In fact, I've already got GPUs lined up for it.
Oh, nice.
I didn't know that.
I do.
Yes.
I wonder what those are.
Uh, I actually don't know.
All I know is that I'm getting whatever they are.
Seriously.
Not even joking.
That's awesome.
It's like, it's NDA, so no one can tell me anything.
They're like, yes, you are getting them.
You'll get a thing.
Yeah.
Okay, that's cool.
Uh, so 7.2 billion transistors on a 456 millimeter squared die.
Uh, where's the, uh, yeah, 22 cores maximum.
That is freaking insane.
Uh, three die variants.
Oh, this is interesting.
So this is not necessarily the traditional way of doing multiple CPU SKUs.
So what we've seen in the, in the, in sort of more traditionally in the past is that
the Xeon and the Pentium 4 would have been based on the exact same die.
Just with a couple of features, laser cut off of the Pentium 4 one or whatever else.
And anything from a 2.4 to a 3.46 gigahertz or whatever, would have all been based on
the exact same die.
And it's just a binning process.
Well, now we've got three dies.
One that can accommodate four to 10 cores with 3.4 billion transistors.
One from 12 to 15 with 4.7 billion.
And the flagship 16 to 24 core with a seven point whatever billion transistors.
Freaking cool.
What can they tell us about this one?
I want to know what it boosts to.
2.2 gigahertz base, 3.6 boost, not bad.
Wow.
That's ridiculous.
I did not think it was going to boost to that at all.
And it tells us on a per core basis.
Do you know how hard it is to find this chart for anything from Intel?
Seriously.
Have you ever tried to find the actual boost breakdown?
I actually have and I have actually failed.
It is so annoying.
So this is, wow, look how aggressive turbo boost 2.0 is here.
So up to 11 cores, 11 cores.
And so up to 10 cores, you're getting anywhere from plus 18 over the base 1.8 frequency.
I don't know why they even call it a base frequency if you're going to do plus eight.
So, okay.
So here, let me, let me do the math.
So with 22 cores active, you get 20, you get 18 plus eight.
So 2.6 gigahertz.
And then with as few as like three or four cores active, you can actually get up pretty close.
You can get like 3.3 gigahertz.
Very, very interesting.
Hmm, so the 2683 V4 is a very interesting skew because it's got a very similar base
frequency to the 2699.
It's got 16 cores, which is still an awful lot, by the way, only two fewer than the previous
flagship at 18 and it turbos up almost the same up to its full 16 cores, which not necessarily
all of them do.
Oh, this one's, this one's sexy too.
The 2697 V4, that's an 18 core.
So that would be a direct replacement for the 2699 V3 that I have now, but looks like
it can actually turbo up more aggressively.
Base frequency of 2.0.
Man, there's a lot of skews this time around.
Very, very, very interesting.
It goes all the way down to quad cores.
So that gets me excited.
Not necessarily all of you, but whatever.
Um, I don't really care about that one.
Yeah, let's do, uh, yeah, let's do some of the, uh, some of the April fool's jokes that
have been around there.
This was posted by elephant sky on the, on the forum.
So razor did project bread winner, uh, the razor toaster, which it appears they actually
did produce toast with razor logos on it in order to make the video of, they put so much
work into this video.
Like as a video production company, I can, I can tell you guys that with all the different
talents that they had, uh, including some fairly notable game streamers and internet
personalities, like where's, uh, where's, what's his face, Mr. Castles over there.
He's in here.
Where'd he go?
They probably cut him out a lot because, because there he is.
Look at this guy.
Uh, anyway, um, they put a lot of freaking work into this thing, honestly, in my opinion,
at six minutes, the joke is kind of old by that point, especially because it's obviously
April fools.
When I clicked on it, I was very surprised at how long it was, but, uh, but I will say
though that, um, it was good.
NCX teas was probably a little short.
I was, uh, I was going to wait until we got to that one, but yeah, what the heck?
And a little bit low effort.
Um, so, Oh, wait, what is this press release?
But the actual landing page seems kind of fine.
Have you noticed that?
Because all I saw at first was the, um, and they, they super try to harvest your email
with a pop-up right away, which is super lame guys.
Just kind of wanted to enjoy, uh, April fool's joke already on your mailing list.
Didn't need that anyways.
Um, they did some like weird VR thing with like VR is in the heel, which was a little
excessive.
They should just go with the lighting joke.
Yeah.
And the video, which I don't know where it is.
There you go.
The video is like the most half-assed thing I've ever seen.
Like it's not like it's just a static image.
Yeah.
Um, and like, it's literally a product that's actually been made.
Like those shoes exist.
And like, that's not even that far off for NZXT to make them to be completely honest.
This is probably the most believable one that I've seen.
I thought this was actually kind of cool.
I kind of wish there was G-force GTX energy drinks.
Yeah.
So just an energy drink, get your drink.
Like if you buy, if you buy like a, like a, they only come in packs up to four.
You buy like SLI packs.
You get like a slight discount.
If you buy like dual SLI, if you SLI them together.
It's funny because you don't in real life on video cards.
I know if you buy them together, you can like click them together and then drink from
like one thing, but it's both of them or something.
I don't know.
I think it'd be kind of cool.
So, so that, that was, that was done really well.
That was pretty cute.
They've got graphs for increasing your reaction time and such sort of.
Yeah.
People are saying like, I would actually buy this and stuff.
Like, yeah, that would actually be kind of cool.
This is really trippy.
Look at this.
I'm like clicking here and it's going down.
That's actually really weird.
There, there I found it.
Oh, what the heck?
There.
I found it.
So this is how fast you are without it.
This is how fast you are with it.
It's just obviously a sped up video of the same clip, which is, which is, I think the
right amount of effort into their April fool's joke.
The NZXT thing seems like an afterthought that they put a good web designer on.
And then we're like, try to get this out really quickly.
And Oh yeah, don't forget, make sure you try to harvest as many emails as you possibly
can when they try to watch this, which kind of sucked.
The Nvidia thing actually seemed really genuinely good.
The razor thing seems like they got super massively into it.
This is so cool.
I actually ended up watching a fair amount of these videos because they're just kind
of awesome.
Have you?
I can tell I actually haven't watched any of the videos.
Do you know anything about this?
Not much.
Okay.
So it actually doesn't explain it that well here.
So what's really going on is they had Snoop Dogg sit in a theater with some other, I'm
assuming YouTube employees, and they watched the videos on a big theater screen.
So like this, and he just comments the video from the background.
So you can like turn it around and look at him and he'll just like talk about the video
while it's playing.
But it's Snoop Dogg, so it's awesome.
And then you can rotate it back and actually like watch the video.
It's actually kind of cool.
What was frustrating was like, I'd watch some random video on YouTube in order to have a
Snoop vision or whatever it's called.
I think it's called Snoopavision.
Snoopavision logo.
And I'd be like, oh, sweet.
Like they did this one.
That's so cool.
But then no, there's just a little set of the ones that they did.
There's obviously not everything.
So like that water blue one is actually done in Snoopavision.
So it's 360 and you can turn the camera around and see him sitting there and talking about
it.
It's actually kind of cool.
Binge On Up was pretty funny.
This was one where they put a ton of effort into it and it actually like kind of worked
out.
No.
Sorry.
What was that?
That was them wanting to know my location.
So it's like a headset thing that just makes it so that your phone is like in front of
your face.
It goes with their binge on thing where you can watch tons of different services without
using your data.
So their whole idea is like, well, if you're using that service and it's not using your
data, you can just do it all the time.
Yeah.
The problem is that Rick Mercer has already done it and if an amazing Canadian like Rick
Mercer has already done it, then you lose.
This was a long time ago.
This is when Blackberry was relevant.
I love, I love this video.
See Rick Mercer.
Genius.
Oh no, nevermind.
His didn't actually have a spot for the helmet.
Nevermind.
Sorry.
It had a signal booster and it made it so that if you walk into the, okay, so no, Rick
Mercer has not quite done it.
This, I'm pretty sure this thing's been done though.
Yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure that a, uh, that a phone holder, a phone holder can,
you know, what's really funny is I actually would like a product sort of like this except
for the bed headrest or the headboard.
Have I talked to you about that?
No, it just makes sense.
Yeah.
Like the amount of times I'll be like this.
Right.
Really tired of the drop.
It just smacks right in the face.
And it'd be perfect for things like a Kindle as well.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I love reading in bed, but like you get uncomfortable on this side, you get uncomfortable with that.
Like if you could build a versatile enough arm that it's strong enough to hold a Kindle,
a tablet or a real book even, and then you could just have, have it so you could like
turn the pages and just like have like a clip on.
Oh man, that would be like the most comfortable way to read ever.
It might even be a thing.
I would never get out of my bed ever again.
Yeah.
Um, so who gets, who gets your vote for the, for the best April Fool's joke?
I enjoyed SnoopaVision the most.
Enjoyed SnoopaVision the most?
I think Nvidia's was very well executed.
I enjoyed more believable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's gotten to the point where I think there's a fine line where
between ad campaign and April Fool's joke.
Yeah. And between like, between making it funny because like,
because it's April Fool's versus actually trying to fool people.
Was yours, was yours actually trying to fool people though?
Mine was trying to walk the fine line where I was pretty sure that some people would believe it,
but that I wanted people to mostly know that I wasn't serious by the time they reached the
end of the video.
That's like a semi dangerous thing for people to think is actually happening.
Yeah. I don't want people to actually, and, and you know what though?
I think as much as a lot of people posted on the video, like this was super obvious
and you guys are idiots.
This is just another bad video that you've made.
The number of people that also have like, not just publicly like ha ha ha ha.
I am playing along with the April Fool.
Wow.
You got me.
Um, but the number of people that have reached out to me privately asking if it actually happened.
I don't think I've had any of those.
That's funny.
So I think we walked the line just right.
Yeah.
Cause I liked it.
I was just trying to dissect your point, I guess.
But yeah, I liked ours.
Um, yeah, Nvidia, Nvidia I think had a very well executed one.
I enjoyed YouTube's the most, which I'm not too surprised about.
YouTube always does such a great job.
There's more Google ones in here that I guess didn't make it into the doc.
Like the, I think it's called the Google parachute.
Yeah, that's in here.
Oh, nevermind.
Parachute, uh, by Google express.
I was just, I was skipping past it because we're really close to six.
Yeah.
And this one's kind of annoying because, oh, it worked for you.
I had to put in a zip code before I could actually see it, but this one's kind of funny.
Shop anywhere, anytime.
And it like parachutes you, whatever you're buying.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Probably not.
I think it's kind of funny cause like Amazon.
Probably not that far off.
Like get to this point with drones where you could be like walking around town and be like,
I want a soft drink.
And it just like brings you one.
Like I wouldn't even be that surprised if that ends up happening.
So I don't know.
That one definitely didn't win for me.
Cause I was just like, that could totally be a thing.
Maybe not with parachutes, but like,
all right, let's jump through some of our rapid fire topics here.
First up, we've got that AMD announces the fire pro S 9,300 X two dual Fiji for HPC.
So yeah, pretty much it's a, uh, theory pro duo, except with a completely different,
everything about it, except for the GPU chorus themselves.
$6,000.
Yeah, different PCB, uh, different cooling design.
So these are, these are designed to be in a chassis where the cooling is taken care
of by the chassis.
So there's no fan.
So it just goes in here and then out the back.
Um, and it's got an awful lot of stream processors and it's got a big boost clock and, um, there's
two GPUs on it.
I'm a little surprised that it's all I have to say about this is that, um, Polaris and
Pascal can't come soon enough.
I am so tired of talking about, uh, 28 nanometers GPUs.
Yup.
Um, windows 10 is possibly getting well, okay.
Is getting, I guess, uh, Ubuntu's bash and Linux command line, which is kind of crazy.
So apparently you can, uh, write.sh scripts on windows and they're getting command line
and stuff because they're baking that into windows 10.
And I have no idea why they're doing this.
Well, DOS is gone, so people might want it.
I know, but like, I'm like, okay, I'd like that it's happening.
I don't understand it from a Microsoft perspective.
Is anyone complaining about PowerShell?
Well, yeah.
Okay.
Well then maybe they're...
I just, I don't see this changing anyone's mind on anything.
So you don't understand why they wouldn't just make PowerShell better or...
Uh, well people being more used to things and stuff is cool, but like, I just, okay.
I don't know how to phrase this properly.
I understand why this is going to be cool for people.
I'm surprised Microsoft did it and I don't understand why they did it.
Like, like what would be your inspiration as a Microsoft employee to be like,
we should do this.
Well, they want basically everything they've done since Nadella took over has been about
increasing the install base, making sure to, to not only not continue to lose, not continue
to erode the latest version of windows install base, but claw back market share, claw it back
from piracy, claw it back from Apple, claw it back from even Linux.
However insignificant that install base might be within certain, within certain user groups,
because there would be educational institutions, for example, that would have compelling reasons
to use and would use Linux.
And in those cases, I would see something like this being the thing that could make
us go, okay, now we could have these elements of both worlds with this via this new Linux
subsystem within windows 10.
Like, like, yeah, like I, I, I like it.
I'm not saying I don't like it.
It's cool.
If the objective is to actually try to sell your product by doing things that are good
for your users, then I get it.
It's just that I mean like a Microsoft move.
That's why I'm confused.
Like that's, that's the, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not, yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying it's a bad idea.
I think it's a great idea.
When I read that, I was like, wow, that's really cool.
Makes things easier in a whole bunch of different ways.
That's awesome.
I'm just, it just doesn't seem like Microsoft.
That's all.
I don't know.
Um, Apple is developing batteries to improve energy capacity and devices.
This was posted by Sans Varmic on the forum and the original article here is from PC world.
I guess that's about like saying that Apple is developing screens that display images
to the users of their phones, but I'm sure there is a, I'm sure there is more to it than
that.
Um, I mean, I, you know, maybe it's not focusing on ceramic.
Maybe it's not quite the same as that because Apple actually hasn't done pretty much anything
to their battery capacity other than release the iPhone six plus, which just is bigger
and has a bigger battery in it in the last little while.
I sure wish they would just do a thicker phone with a higher capacity battery, please.
Not that they'll ever listen to me.
I'm sure they don't care.
You weren't on the show for that.
What do you think about the SE?
Um, I, I think that they're desperate.
I think that they straight up are pulling a Samsung and going, we can't figure out how
to sell more phones, so let's just throw more models at the problem.
Okay.
That's what I think.
You're not excited because it's smaller.
I think they are.
I think they're basically slashing price without trying to, I think they are putting
off for as long as possible, slashing the price of the flagship device by creating an
entry-level tier.
I think it didn't work well last time with the iPhone five C, but I think that the reason
that didn't work was that, um, the five C was built from the ground up to be cheap in
a way that was very obvious, unapologetically obvious.
Um, and then there's the, there's the, there's the issue with what they've done in the
past where they've just sold previous generation devices, but those were not designed to be
cheap devices.
And I think the manufacturing costs are higher so I can see why they're doing it.
They're building something from the ground up to be cheap, but not that cheap.
And they are giving, uh, they're, they're taking the fight to the entry-level smartphone
makers sort of, at least in the best way that Apple can do that on from a pricing standpoint.
Um, but I think they basically just aren't sure what to do to, to, to keep selling more
phones because much like with many other devices, phones are really getting to the point where
yes, the galaxy S seven is marvelous and I'm going to be switching to it.
But if I already owned a galaxy S six and I actually paid for phones, I sure as heck
wouldn't be doing that.
Yeah.
You received California Irvine?
Uh, hold on.
I wanted to touch on a little bit of a little bit more about this.
So, um, focusing on ceramic as the electrolyte, they've proven in labs that they can provide
faster charging and safer batteries, which is a concern.
Um, they're also hiring people that can take battery technology from the lab to the factories
and they already got granted a patent for developing a solid state battery.
This could be considered the next big technology in battery research.
Good, good, cool.
University of California Irvine announces an e-sports scholarship.
So by the start of 2016, six private schools had developed scholarships based on the game,
which is a league of legends in this kind of context.
This is the first public state run school to officially support e-sports.
They're talking about building a like a little land cafe and everything on campus,
which I guess would be kind of like your, your field.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're going to have a basketball court, you might as well have a land center.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're taking e-sports seriously and you're giving scholarships and stuff,
you should probably have somewhere for them to go.
Anyways, the, the cafe will be built in the model of Korean PC gaming cafes and will offer
a premium league of legends experience.
I wonder if that includes my favorite part of those cafes, which is where they like bring
you food and stuff directly to your thing.
Probably not.
I seriously doubt it.
So they probably mean like sponsored gaming chairs, but like still, um, I don't know.
This is kind of cool.
We're getting closer and closer to like VJHS.
Yep.
We like actually are.
So that's going to get interesting.
I don't know.
Someone's going to interview like Freddie W in like 15 years or whatever and be like,
how did you know this vision was going to come true?
Yeah.
It's going to be like, shit, man.
I didn't know.
I thought it was funny.
I was making the joke.
I just, I just figured it was kind of cool.
I made a video with my bros.
Yeah.
E-sports is cool.
This is cool.
Like it's, it's starting to become a very viable career for an actually not insignificant
amount of people.
Yeah.
And not just a professional career, but also like an indie career through services like
Twitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like it actually kind of makes sense.
I'm making fun of it because it's kind of funny, but it does actually kind of make sense.
Riot Games has a guy.
Okay.
A guy whose job title is collegiate program manager.
Go figure.
Yeah.
Who saw this one coming?
You know, I think that's the show.
Yeah, pretty much.
Let's see.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, the PlayStation 4.5 is kind of interesting.
So this is, everyone's calling it 4.5 could be called 4k or something like that.
But word on the street is that Sony will be launching a place, an updated PlayStation
with roughly double the performance of the previous PlayStation.
Whether that's enough to actually get them to reasonable performance at 4k is still very,
very much to be determined.
Like, no.
But I got a sister wet blanket.
But I did that test like years ago.
Why don't you just go to Japan?
Pull up to Sony's headquarters and take a giant dump on the lawn.
Why don't you just do that?
If you're going to be such a downer.
Minus the dump on the lawn part.
We should like do a diplomatic mission as a video sometime.
Like, I don't know if it's to Sony or whatever, but we should just like show up somewhere.
We could show up at Valve.
We want to help you with your design stuff.
Stop putting glossy plastic on your controllers.
There, Valve.
Perfect.
Done.
Do not put glossy plastic on the top of your damn controllers.
My dad ended up watching that review because he was like kind of interested because couch
gaming is totally in his realm of things that he would like to do.
And he saw the glossy plastic part and was just like, what?
Why?
I recently had a conversation with someone where I was like, like I was half joking because
I thought I was talking to someone like kind of lower down on the totem pole.
And I was just like, uh, and I was like, yeah, and I can't believe you guys put freaking
glossy plastic on it.
And it turned out it was the person who like made the decision.
And he was like, why?
Was this gigabyte?
I don't remember.
Okay.
Cause it's CES.
Um, I had a conversation with gigabyte about their knucks.
Really?
Or their bricks, their bricks.
And the guy was like, yeah, like we put mad on it.
I hope that's a monitor guy for me.
Oh yeah, no, it was, it was the guy that manages bricks.
He's like, we put mad on it.
I hope that's okay.
I was like, that's awesome.
He was like, Oh what?
You're not like mad that there isn't glossy.
I was like, what are you talking about?
Who are these people?
Do you read anything?
Have you watched any of our videos?
Like, come on.
And not just us.
Any ones.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones here.
We're not.
We're not.
Right.
I shouldn't have said our videos.
Like, like have you, have you looked at reviews of things at all?
Like the, what was it?
The fury, uh, nano that has like the glass over top of the glossy?
Uh, no.
What product is it that did that?
Cause that was cool.
That was fine.
Cause the glass is nice and easy to clean.
And the glossy plastic under the glass.
Gets protected and doesn't get scratched instantly.
I don't remember what product it is.
Good job.
But you know what I'm, yeah, whatever.
Um, someone did it.
It looked great.
That was a good implementation of it.
Just putting glossy plastic, especially in places that you're going to touch.
It's so dumb.
And I don't understand how they haven't figured this out yet.
Back to the PlayStation four and a half.
A more likely reason for its existence is to compete properly with VR computers.
Um, so if, cause I mean, we did, we did the math back when Sony was saying, well,
you know, due to our special sauce, we are this much more efficient or this much
for this much 60 Hertz per eye.
We can make it okay.
If we do some fancy interpolation, whatever else.
We did the math and it still didn't add up.
Yeah, it was still weird.
If they have a PlayStation that is twice as powerful.
Now it makes sense.
Yeah.
So if you want to have a proper VR experience, it looks like you're probably
going to be buying a PlayStation four K or four and a half or, you know, four
VR edition or whatever the case may be.
So I think that pretty much wraps it up.
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