Welcome to the WAN Show, guys. It's August 16th, which is actually almost my birthday.
I know you give zero cares about birthdays, and you had no idea that was coming, but...
You know what? I actually did.
Did you?
Because the last time it was your birthday, I put it in my phone.
Oh, good work.
Okay. Well, it's my birthday, and my cat decided to help me celebrate by peeing on my motorcycle jacket.
So if you had detected the smell of cat urine about me, then...
No, actually.
That is where it was coming from, not from this vulgar shirt.
That would have been equally plausible.
Yeah, yeah. So this shirt is my special treat for all the viewers there today
who wanted to see me wearing this kind of a shirt. It's absolutely horrible.
It's for an upcoming video where my character is just sort of a horrible person in general.
But anyway, we've got some great topics for the WAN Show.
There's a new Witcher 3 trailer, which we're gonna be definitely talking about.
We've also got some exciting stuff.
There's a ton of rumors about AMD's upcoming graphics cards, so we'll be shooting the breeze about that.
Our special guest...
Remember, guys, our special guests are powered by Razer Comms, so check out the...
Oh, yeah, there. It's a little bit higher than usual. There's a lot of headroom here.
Our special guests are powered by Razer Comms. You can download it here. It helps us out a great deal.
It's a voice chat client optimized for gaming, as opposed to for talking with your mother who lives in another country,
like Skype, so things like the game overlays, or the overlays won't kill you and disrupt your gameplay, all that kind of good stuff.
It's free. It's beta.
Definitely.
Can't emphasize that enough, for a lot of people have been saying,
Oh, Razer Comms isn't perfect. Yes, we know. It's not perfect. Razer knows. That's why it's called beta.
I hope it's not, like, perpetually beta, like Gmail. Do you remember how long Gmail was beta?
And Minecraft. Although, they both worked...
Like, Minecraft felt like a fully finished game.
I think he was just like, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I don't want to.
Right. Okay, but this is legitimately beta, so they're issuing patches, like, every few days.
Anyway, guys, definitely try it out. Try it out with your gaming group. Use the Bitly link here.
It helps us out a whole heck of a lot. So, our special guest this week is Ryan Schrout, from PC Perspectives.
So, we're going to be talking to him about AMD's new frame-pacing driver, as well as maybe, you know,
shooting the breeze about some of the rumors.
It's always kind of iffy how much the media folks can say and can't say,
because once they actually hear something officially, then it's kind of hard to talk about it,
whereas if they're not the source, and, you know, they don't know anything about it anyway,
then it's a little bit easier there. So, without further ado, intro time.
Where's the intro? You have got to be kidding me.
It's the exact same thing as last week. Yes, it is the exact same thing as last week.
You would think that I would somehow predict that, but that is actually not what happens sometimes
when these things do occur in such a way that I'm stalling for time, which should be obvious at this point,
but I think that this is it.
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So, there you have it, guys. We are finally kicked off, so why don't we dive right into maybe one quick topic here,
and then we're going to ask Ryan to join us, because he is in the Eastern time zone,
and has very kindly asked to join us at the earliest possible opportunity, so that he can, like, sleep.
That's kind of important.
Yeah, I'm going to take a shot at him for that once he gets on here, because real nerds don't need sleep.
So, you know, I think we all know that that's true.
So, what do we got as our opening kickoff here?
Might as well jump right into the top one, which is EA Humble Bundle.
EA Humble Bundle. Yes, indeed.
So, for those of you who haven't heard, I'm just going to go ahead and open this up on the old laptop here.
Boom! There it is! The Humble Origin Bundle.
Eight games!
And I think the average price last time I looked was around four bucks, which is outstanding.
Uh, where is it? $4.80, so it's actually going up.
Now, EA has outdone themselves here, which isn't hard.
EA has outdone themselves here because, normally,
the way Humble Bundle works is it's up to the person buying the bundle
to decide how much money to allocate to the developer,
and then how much to allocate to Humble Bundle.
You know, hey, thanks for doing this.
And a charity. There's usually at least one charity tied in.
EA has taken out the developer.
They probably knew no one was going to give them any money.
Oh, I'm sorry, EA. You guys are actually kind of awesome this time.
So you've got the option to give some money to Humble Bundle,
and then you have your choice of five outstanding charities, including Human Rights Campaign,
WOTC, San Francisco AIDS Foundation, American Cancer Society, and American Red Cross.
And you can allocate however much of the money you're paying to whoever you want,
in whatever proportion you want, which is just a really cool thing to do.
They have sold over 1.1 million bundles and raised over 5.5 million dollars for charity.
And people that are crying about Origin, because it's the Humble Bundle, Origin Bundle.
Yes.
I think it's like five out of the eight games come with Steam codes.
Yes. So, look at this.
EA, actually, I'm not even going to, you know, shoot this, because it's not fair.
They have gone the extra mile here.
Most of the games are available on Steam.
We usually wreck them, but give credit where credit's due.
This is pretty freaking awesome.
Yeah, and you know, it's funny, we had some comments on our forum.
Hey guys, EA must have been watching your last live stream because you burned them
for only contributing, I think it was $16,000 or something.
You know what? They're giving away their games for charity this week.
They're raising millions of dollars.
So that's the way to do it.
Good job.
There we go.
The first time we've ever applauded EA on this show.
Well, but like, yeah, we've applauded them like ironically, but not but not seriously.
This is serious, serious applauding.
Good job, EA.
There's been some problems with activating Origin codes and stuff like that, but they are.
I was saving that for like the punch line.
Yeah, so Sims 3.
There's been some issues.
People haven't been able to activate it.
There doesn't seem to be a clear answer whether it's related to region or Windows 8 or EA's
pointing the finger back at Humble Bundle about why it's not working and then Humble
Bundle saying that they might be region specific, but then some people outside of the US are
activating them, so I don't know what's going on at all.
They are claiming to be working on it and five of the games come with Steam Coast anyways.
So we'll give them that.
Anyway, you guys, so the games that you get are Dead Space, Burnout Paradise, The Ultimate
Box, Crysis 2 Maximum Edition, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space 3, Medal of Honor, and if you pay
more than the average price, you get Battlefield 3, The Sims 3 Plus, the starter pack, which
I believe is two extra content packs.
Okay.
So absolutely outstanding.
Without further ado, I would like to invite Mr. Ryan Shrout from PC Perspective to join
us here on the WAN Show.
So we're making our call.
Remember guys, guests are powered by Razer Comms.
And let's add our guest lower third.
Ryan gave us a fantastic number of options to choose from.
Oh, hold on.
I wonder if that's a thing.
There we go.
Let's try making our call here.
Okay, we're going to restart this really quick.
We're also going to add our guests lower third.
So we have a special lower third for our guests now.
Ryan gave us a fantastic choice of different options for us to use for his lower third.
He sent us two pictures, both of which were this one.
So that was a bit interesting.
So speaking of the beta status of Razer Comms, we're going to go ahead and delete System 32,
which is one of the helpful tips that was given to us here on Twitter to help us diagnose
any kinds of system issues that we might be having.
There you go.
Thank you Christian Molay for giving us that great little tip there.
You are truly a gentleman and a scholar.
Ryan, are you there?
Yeah, there you are.
All right.
So how's it going?
How's the PC reviewing this?
It goes.
It continues.
It's a never-ending process as you're aware.
Some weeks more exciting than others,
but I have a feeling that the rest of the year will be as exciting as the early part of the summer was.
Well, that is a very, very helpful clue for the viewers, I think,
if they know what was going on in the early part of the summer.
And it's funny that you should mention that because I remember A&D saying something along the lines of,
we are not releasing a new GPU architecture this year.
Yeah, they said that, didn't they?
They sure did.
They did say that.
They did say that.
You know, I think what they actually said at that point was that there were rumors that a new GPU was coming very soon,
and they said, ah, our product lineup is going to be stable through 2013.
And you can PR speak that in kind of any way you want, right?
And then they kind of had a call and said, well, I think at the end of the call,
they did kind of admit that there would be something before the end of the year.
But they were very wishy-washy about it.
And after they made the statement about stable throughout the year,
how many weeks was it or how many days was it before they released 7790,
which was actually not quite based on the same design as the previous GPUs?
Right.
Yeah, I mean, you're right.
It wasn't that long.
It's an interesting web they weave, right?
All these companies kind of do that.
And I think they were afraid of people assuming that they were going to release new GPUs in June or July
and thus kind of killing any possible sales in the March, April, May timeframe.
You know, that's always what you got to, with any release of hardware or gadgets or whatever,
you don't want people to know about the new one too early.
Otherwise, they won't want to buy the old one that you have warehouses and warehouses of.
Which is funny because so many different companies take such different approaches to this.
You look at Intel where their roadmaps are, I mean,
even general consumers reading reviews on PC Perspective or other hardware sites
are going to know what's coming for the next couple of years.
And then Nvidia and AMD, they hold their cards close to their chest to the point where,
is there a purpose?
Well, so Intel has that capability because they're such the dominant player in the market, right?
So they don't really have any real big competition from AMD in mobile or desktop or, you know,
all-in-one PCs and that kind of thing.
So when they think about their roadmap, they can change it kind of however they want
or they're not going to be affected.
They're not going to get dinged in the market.
They're not going to get dinged by, well, they might get dinged by enthusiasts,
but it's not really going to matter because the blip we make on their sales radar is relatively small.
And because they don't have any real strong competition, they don't worry if AMD knows what they have planned,
whereas AMD and Nvidia on the graphics side definitely worry about what the other one has planned.
That is a very good point.
You know what, this wasn't on our livestream document, but I want to talk APU
because these rumors have been swirling for a long time
and there was an article recently that was on a fairly non-credible site.
I think it was PC Perspective or something like that.
No, I'm just kidding.
It was a different site.
That AMD is going to abandon the high-end desktop CPU market, what do you make of this?
It wouldn't really surprise me at all because Intel tries to do that every chance they get, right?
Sandy Bridge-E has been around for way too long.
Ivy Bridge-E is right around the corner.
But Ivy Bridge-E and Sandy Bridge-E, these kind of high-end workstation processors that enthusiasts buy into,
are really just that.
They're server and workstation parts that are kind of being trimmed down.
If you look at Ivy Bridge, if you look at Haswell, those parts really started like the 350 range and go down.
There's no real high-end market in what I would consider mainstream processors at this point.
AMD has a big disadvantage in terms of performance, in terms of efficiency.
Their Bulldozer architecture kind of flopped miserably.
I'm sure you guys talked about when they released the 220-watt 8-core processor that ran at 5 GHz.
What kind of a joke that actually is that it's a $1,000 AMD processor, an $800 AMD processor,
that runs at two times the thermal limit of an Ivy Bridge or Haswell that it can't really keep up with in terms of performance.
AMD has brought in, actually re-added some of their better engineers, like top level engineers on the CPU and GPU side.
So I wouldn't really count them out 100% yet, but it's going to be at least 18 months, 24 months, or beyond before we see a kind of turnaround.
It takes that long in the microarchitecture world.
And it's funny you mention that, because we talk about AMD and NVIDIA jealously guarding secrets from each other,
even down to things like the day of a particular launch when we're a month away.
But like you said, adding a new architect to a team or new engineers to a team probably won't affect an actual product until 18 to 24 months down the line.
So it really raises the question, why do they bother?
Well, so obviously if they're doing that, then they believe that there is still a market for discrete higher-end processors.
And I think what we're going to find is more of these overlaps are going to occur with the server and workstation world.
There's not going to be any kind of dedicated desktop processors.
I know everybody is afraid about the move of Intel to BGA-only processors.
And that's kind of an inevitable outcome with these $200 and below processors.
That's just the way the markets are going to work.
When you look at the way they trim costs on a motherboard, saving 32 cents is actually a thing.
And if you look at the cost of a socket, if they could stop putting a socket on a board, I think both Intel and the motherboard manufacturers would be giving it the old thumbs up.
Well, I think the motherboard manufacturers will hate it because they are now responsible then for twice the product RMA, right?
So if a processor has an issue, they're now responsible for returning that and replacing it and all that kind of stuff.
It also means they have to have, if they want to even attempt to offer the same amount of choice, they're going to have to drastically increase their SKU count, right?
So if you get like an Asus Z87 Pro motherboard, now you want it with the high-end processor, the mid-range processor, the low-end processor.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
And I'm going to throw this at you because having worked in retail, I've seen a pretty good cross-section of RMA percentages.
And CPUs are like one in a thousand, maybe. Motherboards are a whole heck of a lot more than that.
So I would actually argue that the CPU defects rate will affect motherboard RMAs less than end user error installing CPUs into sockets, which I've seen a lot of.
That's entirely possible, I guess.
Because I know for a fact that motherboard vendors hated it when Intel removed the pens from the processor and put them on the socket themselves.
And that was kind of, everybody took it as Intel kind of giving the finger to the board vendors and say,
well, if you still want to play in our ecosystem, you kind of have to do what we want to do.
So I can see that point of view that it would actually lower RMAs on that product as a whole,
but it still would be a kind of pricing and skewing issue that Intel would essentially be shoving off to their board partners.
They probably just have to have less skews. Like the Pro board might come with one or two different options.
And that'll be that. And I think, honestly, it's going to cause more problems for the retailers than it will necessarily for the board makers.
Because you have to stock so much more stuff.
And the product managers are going to have to be so much more educated than they used to be.
You can't just kind of, you know, be a machine ordering every board, ordering every CPU,
and then just kind of watching what customers buy and replenishing as needed.
You'll have to actually make intelligent choices about.
And at the product management level, both at the manufacturer and at the retailer,
where they have to decide what the end user will probably want, because sometimes it's not that predictable.
Like I'd put together bundles sometimes sort of on a whim.
Oh, I need to I need to fill up like a fourth bundle spot.
And then that would be the one that would sell and I'd be floored.
Unless it's like Sabertooth Z77 and 3570K, then you know that'll do well.
Yes. And I mean, that's another argument for BGA, because if you paired a Sabertooth Z87 with a 4670K,
I mean, Ryan, how many people do you think are buying a different CPU with that board?
I honestly don't know. I would assume it's not that many.
Right. So the the Intel kind of lineup is is fairly modest as it is now in terms of what parts DIY guys are actually picking up.
I'm sure it's just it's I think when this happens, you will see people leave the motherboard business that aren't giant players already.
What do you think about that?
Well, I guess this is it's going to sound bad. I'm OK with that.
Right. You know, there are compare the number of motherboard manufacturers today to what there were five, 10 years ago.
Let's go 10 years ago and attack Soltech for life.
Soltech, Soyo, DFI was a big player.
All these guys that used to try to make enthusiasts DIY parts.
A lot of them are gone and and we're really kind of left with a handful.
Asus, Gigabyte, MSI. You know, you've got others like ASRock and EVGA that are still in there that are doing interesting things.
But it's it's really down to a couple of main players.
But I wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me now. Intel's gone essentially from that market.
They're not building boards on their own anymore.
That you would kind of really be left with like Asus and Gigabyte.
Maybe that's it. Right. You know, you just never know.
Fascinating. So I'd like to take this opportunity for a moment to ask you guys to direct some Twitter questions to Ryan.
We're going to do a Twitter blitz with him before he has to leave us again.
He apparently has to sleep because he's he's weak, unlike the rest of us nerds.
Yeah, I heard you. I heard you bashing me earlier for that.
It's not it's not to sleep so much as it is. My wife would like to see me on Friday, I guess is what it comes down to.
Your wife actually wants to spend time with you.
Yeah, I know it's kind of different. It's kind of different.
But, you know, I I do I do late shows on Wednesdays and late shows on Thursdays and and it's it's easier that way.
Speaking of which, do take this time to pimp your podcast and anything else that you think people should definitely pay attention to you on Twitter.
Guys, you need to follow Ryan on Twitter at PC per.
But Ryan, tell them a little bit about what you do if they don't already know.
I just kind of came into this with that assumption. Sure.
So PC per dot com is the Web site. We do hardware reviews of processors, motherboards, graphics cards.
We do some laptops and some tablets and all that other hardware and gadget type stuff.
We've been doing this for a long time. I think it was something with somebody doing this for over 13 years, almost 14 years now.
Yeah, you're old man. I am. Trust me, I'm 31.
I feel like I'm 51 when I see how many people move around in this industry as it is.
But PC per dot com is the Web site. We do a lot of cool stuff there.
We have our podcast, which you can get access to either the RSS or the videos or the audio files at PC per dot com slash podcast.
We record that on Wednesday nights live as well.
I think we have our own PC per dot com such live channel, too.
So if anybody's interested, just go to PC per dot com.
We've got a schedule on the right hand side for all of our live events.
And then all of our reviews and articles are obviously throughout the Web site.
In fact, that was how Ryan and I met was he invited me to be a guest on the PC per podcast, which I would, of course, be happy to do again for you, man.
So definitely throwing that out there. He hasn't invited me back, though, since then.
I just want more people to see my face everywhere on the Internet, please.
Well, see, here you don't even I'm left to a caricature of myself in the middle of the screen.
For what it's worth, it's really sexy. I like the artwork with the coloring, with the green and the kind of matches the site design.
I don't know if that was on purpose, but I like that. My guy is awesome.
It's actually Diesel, the intern, is the guy who does all of our graphics and all that cool stuff.
And I think he did a fantastic job. It's definitely on purpose.
It's an intense that's an intense photo of me.
That's from us from Quake Con that I was at just a couple of weeks ago.
I think that's the only still photo of him I have ever seen.
No, there's one other one. Yeah, there are some funny ones going around.
There's one from Quake Con where somebody I'm wearing flashing red Cooler Master Kanye West glasses.
And there's a guy in a horse mask behind me for that.
Excellent. So speaking of Kanye West, let's talk about one of the big things that PC per has been doing.
That has sort of rubbed people the wrong way.
But unlike Kanye West has caused some definite positive change in the industry.
And of course, I want to talk about AMD's new frame pacing driver.
Yeah. Well, you want to know it's much better.
Thanks, man. So basically, here we go.
This is one of the articles on PC per.com. Guys, definitely check it out.
If you search for a frame rating catalyst 13.8.
If you could summarize this in a nutshell, give us kind of the story.
What you found out, what you reported back to AMD, what they said to you and what eventually came out as 13.8.
So the drama has been going on for a long time, right?
Where we discovered that AMD's multi GPU technology has been producing some awkward results.
Awkward is one way of putting it.
They're very bad results.
You were getting much lower observed frame rates than what you would appear to be getting when you looked at benchmark numbers and FRAPS and in most reviews.
And that was, you know, we kind of we worked out a new benchmarking system.
We're actually capturing the output directly from the graphics card and then doing post-processing analyzation on that data.
And it took a long time.
So the idea of micro stuttering, the idea that people who for years and years really have felt that, you know,
when I am running multiple GPUs, it doesn't feel as smooth sometimes as when I'm running on a single GPU.
And that was almost as far as the analyzing got because it was impossible to quantify it in any meaningful way.
Because when you ran your FRAPS benchmarks, it looked fine.

Sorry.

There was I mean, you went on any forum and there was a dozen people saying this and a dozen people saying that and no one agreed with anyone.

And everybody said some people said, oh, I don't see it.
And some people said it's horrendous.
I cannot play on an SLI or crossfire system.
And that went on basically since the reintroduction of multi GPU into the world of PC enthusiasts.
And so the advent of this, what we call frame rating, which is the ability to capture the output directly.
I mean, the amount of data that this requires is tremendous.
If we capture 2560 by 1440 at 60 hertz, essentially emulating a display, we're talking about 400 to 425 megabytes per second of write that we have to, you know, get into a storage system to get raw data out of it.
And sustainable.
If you drop one frame, you have to throw the whole thing away, correct?
Right.
If you miss one frame, all of the data you did was wrong.
So it took us a while to figure out the right hardware combination and software combination to get that to work.
But we have done it.
And what we did over several months and several articles was show here's where AMD is faulting.
Their crossfire is not balanced.
It's not pacing the frames out in a comfortable way that makes the animation smooth on the screen.
And AMD at first fought back about it.
And then slowly, you know how you have like those five stages of acceptance, right?
So you move in and you're angry at first and then you're...
Denial.
Yeah, yeah.
And they eventually accepted it and they started work on a new driver.
And this was not a minor task.
They had to rewrite much of their Catalyst software stack in order to get this to work.
So they spent a lot of time and they put a lot of effort into getting this fixed.
And with the Catalyst 13.8 Beta, they essentially have been able to, in my opinion,
they haven't made it as good as what NVIDIA has done with their frame pacing,
but it's close enough that for the very specific situations,
I would consider crossfire to be a fixed problem for AMD.
I want to make sure I plan those situations are single monitor, attachment, crossfire configuration.
Oh, hold on, Ryan.
We're dropping some frames on the stream here.
Let's just see if it has to do with that.
Sorry.
So, I think we're back now.
It looks like we're not dropping any frames.
And, okay.
And bringing Ryan back to the show.
Oh, no.
Well, we're trying to bring Ryan back to the show.
Okay, let's go ahead and give this one more try here.
Man, I love this show.
Anything can happen.
You never know what's going to happen.
In theory, we've got, like, news and…
We should be WGH live.
What's going to happen live?
Yeah.
Like, it could be absolutely anything.
Oh, apparently, Ryan Shroud is calling me.
Yo, dawg.
Hey, that sounds like a connection again.
Hey, you're back.
All right.
Okay, so let's go to mine and Ryan's conversation, apparently.
That's what we're going to go to.
Let's go to, here we go, this.
Okay, so you were telling us about how AMD's drivers basically were not up to snuff.
The observed frame rate was much lower.
And they pretty much rewrote a huge part of their catalyst driver to release 13.8.
And this is a graph from PCper.com.
Tell us about this.
So, what used to happen before 13.8 is that your frame rate was reported to be drastically different than we considered the observed frame rate.
And the blue frame rate…
Hold on.
Audio quality is deciding that it hates its life here.
We're not dropping any frames on the stream yet.
But, let's…
Oh, we're dropping frames.
Yeah.
Okay, we're down.
And we're back with reduced stream quality again, which is a most excellent thing.
So, Ryan, let's pick up where we left off.
Tell us about this graph right here to my camera right.
So, what the graph used to tell us before the 13.8 driver is that there was a difference between what FRAPS would see in terms of performance and what our observed frame rate would see in terms of performance.
And our observed frame rate took things out that we considered to call runt frames.
Frames that were too small to really matter or dropped frames that obviously never show up on the screen.
Well, FRAPS sees things differently than what you do when you actually capture the video directly.
So, what 13.8 does, it implements something called frame pacing.
When you have two GPUs, rather than immediately tell each GPU to render the next frame as soon as the next one is done,
what you do is you kind of watch what the pattern of frames are doing.
How long it takes each frame to render.
And you kind of adjust the time a little bit here and there.
You maybe pause a little bit before you send the data from the game engine for the next frame to the next GPU.
So that you get an even distribution of frames, both being rendered and thus being displayed on the screen at the same time.
And it's more of an art than a science, as it turns out.
Because there's so much that happens between the game engine, DirectX, the GPU driver and then the GPU hardware itself.
So, it's kind of something that took a long time for them to be able to get right or close enough to right.
And as I was saying earlier, the 13.8 driver is a big enough step forward that I'm comfortable saying that AMD has fixed it for
single monitor configuration.
So if you have a 1920x1080 screen or a 2560x1440 resolution monitor,
and you have Crossfire 7970s or 7870s or you have one of the 7990s,
then I think that what AMD has done has improved things enough for me to start recommending those configurations again.
I should also note that it doesn't fix DX9 games, it only fixes DX10 and 11.
That was more of a time issue for them, I guess.
But DX9 games, we'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that those tend to be lower demanding on your graphics cards.
So, if they had to put priorities someplace, DX10 and 11 makes sense.
And it's not like that might come out when this isn't in beta anymore or something.
That could be a future feature.
I mean, with that said, Witcher 2 is DirectX 9.
Still pretty important, but like I said, it still could come.
The other thing that I think is worth noting is this does not improve iFinity configurations at all.
So if you are a user that has a triple monitor setup for gaming,
it's very likely then that you will also have a Crossfire configuration of some kind.
And this current driver does not fix that.
AMD has said that they're working on improving that and getting that fixed address to those resolutions as well.
But I don't have a timetable for it and I don't really have a whole lot of confidence that they'll get that in place before their next CPU launch even.
Right, so actually that was one of those next things I was going to say is how important was the timing for AMD to get this driver fix
for them to have a really compelling story around their upcoming GPUs.
Because for a long time they had that timer on their website.
AMD, world's fastest graphics card for however long running.
For them to be able to realistically claim a crown like that,
it can't be like world's fastest graphics card asterisk if you run at this particular resolution with this particular configuration.
The issue I had with that claim, because the 7990 launched in the middle of all of this kind of commotion, right?
So when the 7990 came out, it obviously depends on Crossfire to function any better than a single Radeon 7970.
So their claims of world's fastest graphics cards, I kind of shook my head and laughed at it.
And it is if you look at 3D Mark scores or if you look at FRAPS and you're not looking at the experience of playing the game,
then those claims could be made realistically.
But the truth is, it wasn't until this driver came out that I didn't think they had a realistic option of taking that claim.
But the world of reality and the world of public relations and marketing and advertising are very different.
Not just in computer hardware, but in most of the things that we're involved with in our life.
It didn't surprise me, although it did.
I think they got a lot of flack for it in the online community and in forums and stuff like that from articles like mine that pointed out those flaws.
All right. Well, you sound like you're on autotune.
Speaking of Kanye West again, because I think we're at the very limit of what our connection can sustain right now.
I am very envious of you for even having the opportunity to pay however much too much you're paying for 3030 fiber,
because I think it's time for us to move in that direction.
I guess we'll have to let you go because we apparently can't do voice and video at the same time right now.
But thank you, Ryan. Once again, guys. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
Absolutely. And if you guys, we can try to get another week.
It's not a big deal once you get the Internet figured out and come on and talk about these issues and more when we know more about the next reviews that are coming up and CPUs as well.
All right. Why don't we schedule you in tentatively for after AMD releases their new graphics cards?
I'm really sorry to the viewers as well as you, Ryan, because I really had a few more topics that I wanted to touch on with you that I thought you were going to have some great contributions to.
So once again, guys, Ryan from PC per who talks like a robot.
A little bit more cuts in there, but that was pretty good. Yeah, I know.
Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. He really does sound like he's on.
OK, so hopefully this can hold. All right.
Hopefully hopefully Ryan's wife is OK with us taking up far too much of his time here tonight.
And I just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. So back to the regular show here, guys.
I'm sorry we weren't able to do some of the Twitter questions for Ryan due to the technical difficulties with our Internet connection.
We're going to get in touch with our provider and see if we can get some kind of whitelist thing going on.
Are we on a call back? I'm scheduled on a call back. So I'm running at some point.
But yeah. All right. So, yeah, they don't like how much bandwidth we're eating right now.
No. Let's jump into the dangers of online impersonation.
Yeah. I think it was an article by you. And this is awesome.
This is freaking amazing. So this Web site is actually like a buddy of mine from the industry's Web site.
I'm not going to name any names. He actually recently left the company he was at.
And it's just like his personal site. And I really hope it loads for me.
I'm just going to I'm just going to stop. I'm just going to shut my computer down.
Apparently, we can't even load a Web site in addition to what we're streaming right now.
Like we are at the very limits of what our Internet connection can do, which is phenomenally disappointing.
If you can hold. I'm just going to go out and turn off everything in the house. Yeah. Just just just do it.
Hit everything. There's another thing.
All right, cool.
Our bit rate ain't even that high there, guys.
We're not we're not asking for that much. We're trying to load a page that is all text right now.
I'm going to take a sip of water. Calm my nerves.
I'm going to like shut off Wi-Fi on my phone.
Everything in the house is off or not connected to our Internet at all, except for the server,
which I'm assuming you don't want me to do your laptop and that computer.
All right. Yeah.
So there's a few topics that I can probably do without the pages.
If you can tweet the URLs, maybe from your phone. Sure.
We can get people to see the pages that way. All right.
And I won't turn on my computer, but if you can bring me to the dock. All right.
Little bit of what you want. All right.
So there's a Grand Theft Auto online and civilization online are two things that were very recently launched.
Let's talk Civ online because I want them to be able to watch the trailer with us optimally.
OK. Civ online even in here? Civ online is not in here, but I was going to do it as a combo topic with Grand Theft Auto.
Of course you were. I find it interesting that these companies like civilization, Sid Meier civilization,
are releasing DLCs and planning new releases for their single player games that have maybe a multiplayer component,
but then are also releasing an online version, like a non-numbered iteration online version of their game.
So GTA five is coming out soon, but then all these announcements about GTA online.
It's just kind of weird. It's interesting market position. It looks very different.
GTA online is sandboxy like GTA five, but there's a lot of you can make your own little like combat levels and you can customize.
Is it just combat levels? All right. Here we go. 3G to the rescue.
Oh, nice. And here it is, folks. So this is the GTA online trailer, which looks absolutely amazing.
Yep. Rockstar Games is looking to bring the heart of the Grand Theft Auto experience to a living online world with multiple players.
Just what you choose to do in that world is up to you. We're back at even lower quality.
So there you go, guys. Back to the GTA trailer that we left off on here.
Try pressing that again. So you can you can rob liquor stores.
This is like a classic online multiplayer gameplay mode is kind of what they're calling it.
And then they've got like golf because it's GTA, whatever. This looks awesome.
I love sandboxes. You know, the thing that this trailer left me wondering about is, can you like be a cop?
Interesting. I doubt it. But interesting. So here's just someone's like cool pad and here's someone's like cool garage with cool cars in it.
So they've got racing game elements, FPS game elements, flying game elements.
What appears to be like Riptide, like sort of, you know, water, whatever.
Yes, they're going to have everything. My one thing is I hope they make it big enough because it's GTA online.
There's going to be a million people, actually more than that.
Well, they claim that they're going to be constantly expanding the game world.
Yeah. I just hope they start with it expanded enough because there's a huge rush of people.
They've got a map editor where they're saying they'll allow you to build your own levels and your own challenges and stuff like that.
And it looks like a very solid map.
So there you have it, guys. GTA online. So you were tying this into civilization online.
Civilization online. I just find it interesting that games, we saw this a while back and it didn't really take.
And now it's kind of happening again where games are trying to release the like online nomenclature on the end of their game.
Just release it and go with it. But I think it can actually work this time.
Before the infrastructure wasn't really there. Now it is.
I think this GTA may be civilization, but GTA more I think can actually run with this and have their more single players, super graphics, super heavy, modifiable everything.
Because the modding community behind GTA 4 is insane. Some of the screenshots for GTA 4 are just nuts.
And really, really heavy single player storyline. But then also have GTA online. I think it was a really good move.
It's interesting, but I think it was a really good move.
So civilization 5 online, or civilization online or whatever you want to call it. Because it would be civilization 6 by this point?
It would be civilization 6 if that's what you called it. But then it acts differently. Because you can, like it is much more online than civilization 5 is.
Because civilization is one of the worst multiplayer experiences ever.
I mean I've been trying to get a civilization online game completed since like Civ 2 test of time.
They have a freaking option so that you can have it so it sends out an email when it's someone's turn.
So they can log in and then do their turn and then people can wait.
So it's going to be more like words with friends.
No I'm talking about Civ 5.
Oh the existing...
The newer one is supposed to be a perpetual environment. Which is interesting.
And I think this might fix their whole awkward online situation that they've had for a long time.
So it's going to be a real time game. Because you'd lose a lot of the civilization heart.
You have your like... I don't know if there's not enough information out there yet or I just haven't been able to find it.
But you have your kind of perpetual main city and then you can make expansions and push out.
And those can be destroyed, but I think your main city can't.
Hmm. Fascinating.
Although I could definitely be wrong. Someone correct me on Twitter which I can't check.
But yes, do so. We'll get that later.
Yeah.
Alright, well that's kind of exciting.
Speaking of extremely crazy exciting trailers, guys check this out.
So if any children are watching, stop.
Yes.
And there's a bunch of awards and whatnot. So this is the Witcher 3 trailer.
Okay, I've got to stop this for a second. Did you just call it Milfgaard?
They're trying to protect their women.
Okay, now hold on a second. They call the place Milfgaard and then they're sentencing this woman to death by hanging?
I mean, are they guarding them?
Mind you, she's not even that old. Anyway.
Don't meddle. Take the reward and let's go.
Help me!
Knew you witches wouldn't score an imperial goal.
Tough hunt?
Tougher than yours, that's certain.
Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling. Makes no difference.
Come fit me.
Bring her down. Do it my way.
Like that, you bitch. Get the hammer.
The degree is arbitrary. The definition is blurred.
If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all.
Just make it quick, Geralt.
What the?
I bet she doesn't close her eyes.
Killing monsters.
And decides to... It works. It works.
Just very poorly.
Very, very, very slow. You guys saw what the symptoms looked like.
So what would happen was Ryan's voice communication with us would get very garbled.
But things are getting through until it screeches to a halt.
So it really feels like whatever's being done is whatever.
I really can't think of anything else that would cause something like this.
Linus even started doing his laptop off 3G instead of our Wi-Fi.
So the only computer in the entire house running off the internet was this desktop.
So we'll have a look.
Shaw is telling the people that tweet them about me being throttled
that I should direct message them and they'll get it addressed.
So I have direct messaged them. Hopefully they'll get it addressed.
Hopefully we won't go down again. So let's just keep this rolling.
So good trailer or bad trailer? The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt trailer.
I think it was a good trailer.
Okay. Do you think it's a good trailer?
Because there was no in-game material whatsoever.
That's why I said it depends on what you're looking for.
Okay.
There's a difference between an in-game trailer and a hype trailer.
This was a hype trailer.
I personally like in-game trailers more but still appreciate hype trailers.
I just wish they would have released an in-game trailer first.
Because the Grand Theft Auto Online trailer pretty much sold that game to anyone who watched it.
What's the difference between hype and selling the game?
It's still selling the game though.
Okay.
It's drawing interest to it. Now everyone knows. Everyone's seen this video now.
It's been around so much. It's been tweeted around so much.
Now they're interested. Now hopefully they'll get off their butts and release a gameplay trailer fast enough
and that will sell people.
Here's my problem too. I actually didn't play through a huge part of the campaign or anything
but I've got a few hours on Witcher 2. I've got around 5 or 6 hours on Witcher 1.
Like I played through some. They didn't suck me in at all.
And that trailer looked absolutely nothing like Witcher gameplay.
Yeah.
Nothing.
What I liked about Witcher 1 was the insane amount of customization and stuff
and the insane amount of things that you had to do depending on who you were fighting.
But didn't find the rest of it very engaging so didn't keep playing.
I could tell that it was a good game. I just wanted to do other things.
And then Witcher 2, I got to this port city and was just like,
what do I do? This isn't sandbox enough that I can do anything I want
but then it's not straight line enough that I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing right now.
Which was, I don't know. I could have looked it up but I was like, man, I'm just going to go do other stuff.
Right. So, I don't know. I guess we'll see.
But I mean, from my perspective, as much as I enjoy watching these cinematic trailers,
like the Dead Island trailer.
Oh my goodness.
That was awesome.
But that's the point of hype trailers. Hype trailers are still interesting.
I still remember that. Never was even tempted for a second to buy the game.
Especially once I heard how terrible it was.
You're talking about the super slow-mo one where everything's going backwards.
The zombies.
There's the daughter and she flies out the window.
Yeah. Outstanding trailer.
So good. That's one of the few trailers that I remember the whole thing of.
Never bought the game, never played it.
But the thing is, they have to continue it.
You have to roll off of a hype trailer.
So you release a hype trailer then you have to release other stuff.
Release a little bit of gameplay.
Like Battlefield. They released some hype stuff and then they released the 14 minutes of gameplay or whatever it was.
That was smart. That was Battlefield 4.
So good timing would be Gamescom to actually release the gameplay.
That would be great timing. That would be perfect.
If they do that, that would be a very, very good transition.
I hope they do that.
Okay. That would probably be about the right time for that.
CD Projekt's an awesome company. CD Projekt Red is just great.
So I just hope they do it.
Alright. So let's move into our next topic.
Which is Google blocks the Windows Phone YouTube app.
So Google is claiming that Microsoft didn't follow their guidelines.
Their guidelines sounded pretty douchebaggy to me.
Yeah. Yep.
So I actually didn't really like the Verge's coverage of this particular thing.
However, here's the link to theverge.com.
Google blocks Microsoft's new YouTube Windows Phone app.
So here's the basic story.
Google has said we're not going to build a YouTube app for Windows Phone 8.
Okay. So Microsoft's all like, okay.
Well, we'll make one. At our own expense.
Just give us, you know, access to the API. Let us do these things.
So then Microsoft released one that was actually pretty excellent.
There wasn't very many errors with it until Google dropped the...
Well, hold on. No. Google made them pull the first one. First.
Okay. So Microsoft broke a couple of Google's rules.
So it allowed downloading videos.
And it also didn't display any ads.
So Google wasn't super thrilled about that.
It's not surprising.
They were all like, well, no. Stop that.
And we need you guys to integrate support for ads.
And you need to remove that functionality where people can download videos.
So Microsoft was all like, okay. Back to the drawing board.
We're going to go ahead and do those things.
And hey, we're going to add the functionality to upload videos while we're at it.
So they re-released it. And Google has pulled it again.
And they just dropped API.
So all these people that are using it, it just randomly stops working.
Yeah. And what they're claiming is that Microsoft's implementation...
And Microsoft actually has an awesome, like, awesome public letter right now to Google.
Where they basically are like, yo, dog.
You didn't build HTML5 versions of your YouTube app for iOS or Android.
In fact, behind closed doors, you've agreed with us that HTML5 is more of a long-term goal.
And in the meantime, we have to have something to give our users.
So that's why we did it this way.
You know, I thought your whole business model was you want people using your services.
Not that you're going to try to differentiate your platform, Android, based on...
Allowing people to access YouTube through an app.
I heard slightly... I heard that, but in way more vague terms.
Which is interesting to hear that part. Was that in a different article?
That was in Microsoft's open letter.
Just Microsoft's open letter. Okay, cool.
Because I heard just statements of Google being like,
oh, you didn't follow our guidelines for the backend.
That's what I heard. You had to make it HTML5. That's really interesting.
Oh no, their letter is fantastic. I absolutely love it.
Let me just pull up a link.
Yeah, Microsoft is hoping that a public message detailing the injustices.
Here it is. They call it the limits of Google's openness.
So this is from their corporate VP and deputy general counsel,
Litigation and Antitrust Microsoft.
Oh yeah. No, this is not like engineers firing shots across each other's bows.
This is the big dogs getting involved here.
So this gives the whole history of what went on
and also says Google raises concerns about their branding.
The funny thing about this point is we've been using the same branding since 2010
for an inferior YouTube app.
Now that we have an app that gives users a fuller YouTube experience,
all of a sudden they object to the branding.
Finally, Google cites a degraded experience.
Since 2010, Google has been permitting a way worse one.
And reviews of our new app are unanimous that the experience is much improved.
We're committed to continuing to make adjustments.
If Google were truly concerned about a degraded experience,
it would allow our users to access the new YouTube app that they love.
We think it's clear that Google just doesn't want Windows phone users
to have the same experience as Apple and Android users.
The statement from before where they're questioning Google's openness,
that's very interesting because you know their 20% campaign that they had going on?
Are we dropped?
Apparently we're not down.
I can still hear us. Okay, so what I was going to talk about.
Apparently we're a podcast now.
That sounds good to me.
Google's 20% thing where they would let employees spend one day of their week
working on side projects, whatever they wanted to do.
And then there was the Google Labs project
where you could see all these little random side projects
and some of them turned into big things.
I think Google Plus started as one of the lab projects.
I believe. I'm not entirely sure.
It says that we're streaming. However, we dropped frames immediately.
So we're back potentially at 240p.
We've got people asking all kinds of inane questions on Twitch chat.
No, we're not uploading videos right now separately on the connection
because we aren't stupid.
Yeah, definitely not.
I individually went around the entire office and shut off everything.
Every computer in the house is off.
Even my laptop is tethered to my phone
at of course a much higher expense than a landline
which should in theory be giving me a reasonably decent connection.
Alright, so we're back at 240p.
Boom!
Here we come.
Yeah, I know, right?
What were we even talking about?
I had segued us into Google changing their whole idea
because for the longest point in time, Google was this super open company
that shared everything with everyone, tried to make everything free.
Who's here?
Probably B-roll.
Okay. Shared everything with everyone, tried to make everything free
and was just making all this money but giving everything out
which was interesting, cool, and it worked.
And then now they seem to be battening down the hatches,
closing everything down, and just totally not being the nice, open,
nice in big quotes there, company that we've known them for.
So one of the big things that notified this
was the putting more wood behind fewer arrows comment by their new CEO,
the niche CEO, and getting rid of labs
and potentially getting rumored to be getting rid of
or already gotten rid of the 20% program
where employees had one day of their five-day work week
to just work on side projects.
Right. So side projects are not really a thing anymore.
They're going to stay focused on the big biz stuff
like self-driving cars or whatever else the case may be.
Put all their employees behind it and work five days a week on that
and maybe not really help a lot of people like Microsoft
to develop their own app.
All right. So let's go into one of the topics that I really wanted to do earlier
and got cut off.
I really don't think you guys are even going to be able to read this.
I'm just going to blow this up as big as possible here.
So this is the double-edged sword that is using social media
to communicate with your customers.
So, brunapane tweets at United Airlines.
Note the misspelling there.
The United Airlines staff at Gate C8 in the airport,
whatever that is, are a complete disrespect.
Hashtag news.
That just goes along so well with this profile picture right here.
They are a complete disrespect.
So let's go ahead and move down.
United Airlines says, count your blessings.
At JFK they throw knives.
To which Bruno replies, is that supposed to be funny?
At JetBlue for one takes tweets regarding their company Sirius.
Might want to take some tips.
No, it's a very serious warning.
We accidentally hired bounty hunters to run that desk,
and now we can't stop them.
Michael tweets, for those following,
I'm still stuck at Buffalo at United Airlines.
Thanks for trying to fight the weather.
You're doing well.
Here at United Airlines, we strive to not let a little thing
like the fury of God prevent us from delivering tolerable service.
Yes, they're horrible in my experience, and I avoid them if possible.
In our defense, it says on our website that we do not carry the equipment
on domestic flights to cater to nerds.
Shout out for stranding my wife at YWG for nearly 12 hours
for a short flight to Chicago, excellent service.
After the first six hours, she technically belonged to us.
You're just lucky we met our monthly quota.
So this is amazing.
So this is just a completely fake parody airline account.
So this guy found out that for months,
angry customers had been tweeting it and says,
God has given me a great, beautiful funnel
through which angry people flow in the worst possible mood.
This is comedy gold.
I absolutely loved it.
What is the recourse for someone like United Airlines?
How do they prevent this from happening?
You have to go through the very few amount of tools
that are even available to you,
one of which is the official little checkmark thing.
But you can't even apply for that.
Really?
Yes, verified by Twitter is not an application process.
They have to reach out to you.
So I can't even apply.
So if someone else made at minus tick, for example, on Twitter,
I'm sure there's going to be a dozen of them now.
But if someone made at minus tick on Twitter,
there's nothing I can do to redirect people to the correct Twitter account.
You use your same photo, same background.
It's way too easy.
It's way too easy.
I find it hilarious, but it's also worrisome at the same time
now that you brought up the possibility of minus tick.
Yep.
So I mean, this is something that everyone needs to be aware of.
I mean, I wish Twitter would take account takedowns more seriously.
I tried to take over at Linus Tech Tips or at Linus Sebastian
or something like that, where it was an obvious Twitter account squatter.
And they basically said, no, nothing we can do.
So I don't even know what United Airlines's recourse would be
because, I mean, they're obviously the United Airlines.
So they're kind of a big deal.
So there might be something we can do about it.
But it's not in Twitter's terms of service to deal with something like that.
So I think Twitter needs to be aware of this.
I think companies need to be aware of this
and almost need to keep an eye out proactively
for companies that are impersonating them.
And I think customers need to be aware of this
because just because you're tweeting someone
who might look like they represent the company that mistreated you
or didn't mistreat you or whatever happened,
that doesn't mean that that's what's going on.
Nope. And there's a Linus Twit.
There's an at Linus Twit. Oh, that doesn't even look new.
No, I don't think it is actually.
At Linus Twit's like Korean or something. Awesome.
But yeah, there's not a lot they can do.
And even, okay, if they get the account closed,
look how much damage has been done already.
And then there's probably going to be more. I don't know.
Were we actually online when we talked about the Call of Duty Ghosts trailer?
I have no idea.
I don't know anymore either.
I think we were.
All right, so I'm going to load up this other article here.
This is pretty crazy.
So this is like crazy as balls.
A high-end flip phone?
Go ahead.
So this was posted by Notreble on the forum,
the original sources and gadget.
Let me find my notes real quick. Sorry.
So it features a microSD slot, two SIM cards,
which is cool. Maybe it's going to be destined for China,
or maybe it'll be somewhere else entirely.
It's Android 4.1 bound on a 1.2 GHz quad-core CPU,
and the outer screen has three touchscreen buttons on it.
It's a flip phone.
Even the article that he links, or his article, I think, actually,
not even the article that he links.
Yeah, no, his post is asking,
is this regression or progression?
Like, are we going backwards, are we going forwards?
Like, it's not very clear on this one.
All right.
Okay, so hold on.
So two 3.3 inch, 320 by 480 touch displays,
which is actually not a bad pixel density.
Nope, so there's one when it's closed,
which is kind of weird for a flip phone,
and then there's one when it's open so you have access to the full keyboard.
5 megapixel rear camera, so it's not great, but not terrible.
It's certainly not 14 megapixel.
Okay, so it's not a high-end phone,
but it's certainly much higher end than other flip phones.
Now, I'm going to be honest with you guys.
I can probably type as quickly on a number pad,
like a tactile number pad, as I can on a touchscreen keyboard.
Predictive text got a lot better after the initial sort of, like,
okay, well, I pressed it three times for O and two times for L.
Yeah, I can't remember what it's called,
but there's that one predictive text algorithm
that everyone started using right before smartphones came out.
Q9, T9.
T9.
Yeah, T9.
Pretty good.
It's pretty darn good.
It's pretty fast.
Yeah.
And, I mean, there's something to be said for tactile buttons,
particularly old people.
My dad, no interest in a smartphone.
No interest.
And when his phone dies, he's going to have to buy something.
So what does he buy?
So there you go, the Hennessy.
Quad-core CPU, you know, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS,
all that stuff that you'd expect.
My most interesting question is the exact same question
as the guy that posted it on our forum.
Is this really going forwards?
It's like, or did Samsung just go, ah.
You know what, though?
When we were over in Taiwan, what did you notice?
Everyone uses a flip.
Everyone uses a flip phone.
That's a very good point.
And maybe it's a cost thing.
Maybe it's not.
I mean, maybe the positioning here is premium flip.
Is this baby's first smartphone, so to speak?
Right.
Right.
That actually kind of makes a lot of sense.
As a transitional device.
This might be the smartest thing they've done this year.
Because Mozilla's trying to do kind of the same thing.
Very cheap, but smartphone.
And you know what?
Maybe this is a response to that.
Maybe this is just them observing the market themselves.
It's not a terrible idea.
It's just kind of weird.
It's very weird.
I like it.
I do too.
I've changed my mind since we started talking about this.
I still don't know if...
See, a big part of the problem is that we're in North America.
Yes.
I think it'll do a lot better kind of everywhere else.
Yeah, I mean, here the expectation is for, you know, a couple hundred bucks.
So I can save up, you know, my month of, you know, spare money this month.
And I can get a phone on contract that's top of the freaking line.
Not even sometimes.
Sometimes you can get top of the line phones for zero dollars.
Whereas you look at other markets.
South America is a great example where they'll look at something like, you know, an iPhone 5
and just be like, oh my gosh, do you have any idea how much that...
Not only do they make less money, but because of the import taxes
and all of the tariffs that exist down there,
you're paying well over a thousand dollars up front for a flex.
And then there's a contract, and then there's blah, blah, blah, blah.
And you have to pay so much more because you're paying for the extra features.
So the used phone market there is huge.
Yeah.
And then something like this could be potentially a big deal there.
Yeah. That's interesting.
Something to jump into, which isn't necessarily directly related at all,
but I did want to talk about is Geek Squad stealing naked photos again
and leaking them online again.
All right. Do we get to see the naked photos here?
I kind of hope not.
Yeah, me too.
Are they of Geek Squad technicians?
No.
Geek Squad should do a calendar, a sexy calendar.
That would actually probably do pretty well.
That would be a great PR stunt.
That's really not a bad idea.
Linus Media Group should do a sexy calendar.
Oh my God.
It would just be all you.
Just a motherboard.
Yeah.
Wearing nothing but an Oculus Rift.
Oh no.
Of all the terrible things that I could have come up with right now.
So let's go back to that actual thing.
Okay, so they...
Allegedly. Let's just throw that out there.
Allegedly. Although they have been hit with this before.
Yeah, allegedly. We're not saying anything is for sure.
Yeah. So this lady had her nude photos posted online
and she had never posted them online.
Okay, so she says,
These photos were art, not selfies she snapped to send to a lover.
She never posted them on any social media,
explained her attorney, claiming that his client kept them only for reference
or professional use for art.
The art thing is kind of weird.
I don't really care about that at all.
You stole someone's digital property which was not good to sell.
Well, that's just what they're saying is the evidence
that it was in fact a Best Buy employee
that took the photos as opposed to her just, you know, leaking them on...
Right. Okay.
4chan.
Is because it's art.
Yes, because it was art which is exactly why she kept them for herself
and never actually posted them anywhere
because one of the obvious sort of rebuttals might be,
Well, if you had all these naked pictures of yourself on your computer,
how can we prove, how can you prove that you never sent them to anyone?
Right, right.
So that's the argument here.
So it may or may not be true but they have had to settle these in the past.
So, yeah.
I wanted to segue from this into funny stories
from back when I was in grade 10 and worked at Geek Squad.
Okay, let's hear it. Hit us with it.
The worst of which was, okay, I've got two really funny ones actually.
One lady had us repair her laptop
and then when she came to pick it up, she came with this super jacked dude
and the dude was way more interested.
I haven't told you either of these stories.
The dude was way more interested in whether or not the laptop's webcam was working
and mic was working than anything else.
And we were like, okay, I guess we can try it.
Like it was riddled with viruses. That's what I fixed.
I wasn't trying out their webcam.
So at the desk, I'm like, here, try it.
So he loads up some weird looking program
and there's like a chat box on the side and I'm not really paying attention.
And then me and my buddy are standing there with him
and he's slightly off to the side and we're standing in front of the laptop
trying to check if it works.
And then all of a sudden in the chat box, I see, oh, my God, you work at Best Buy?
Oh, what is this? What is this? What is this?
And then I read the chat box and it's like slur, slur, slur, slur.com.
Ah.
So we were on a like cam website, me and my buddy.
Nice.
When I was in grade 10-ish.
Did you get paid?
No.
Another bad one was-
Oh, you were underage, so they, guess.
I didn't even think about that.
You were in trouble.
I was fully wearing clothes, but I don't know.
We had converted from being in like a back hall to having a more open office style
where people could see through the window into all the computers.
Right.
And so you plug in computers and you work on them for a bit
and then you have to go help people at the desk
so people can see through the window thing.
Right.
And people have a tendency to set their screensavers to their My Pictures folder.
So many times they would just be porn streaming in the background
and we wouldn't figure it out because there's often just one or two of us working.
We'd often just both be at the desk.
Maybe Sean's calling.
Okay, so I think the conclusion that we can draw here
is that as much as Best Buy can have whatever policies they have in place,
there's not really a whole lot they can do about deviant employees.
So, you know, when people have unfettered access to other people's computers,
if they're bad people, they might snoop around on the hard drive.
And the other thing that there's nothing that they can do about is sheer customer stupidity.
And let's face it, if you're bringing your computer to Best Buy to be fixed,
you might not necessarily be the most technically apt kind of person.
In fact, the article that we linked to in the live stream doc,
which will be available under the video description,
pointed out that, you know, well, they should have had these pictures
in an encrypted folder, preferably on another drive, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., etc.
But, you know, you don't necessarily have to be a complete moron
when it comes to computers to not know how to do that stuff.
So there's a whole bunch of factors that are going on here,
and I think it's a little bit more complicated, necessarily,
than, you know, one individual's lawsuit might be.
So allegedly sort of accused, blah, blah, blah, all of that stuff.
We don't know what happened here,
but there's certainly potential for things to happen, as Slick was saying,
that are not necessarily the fault of the employees.
So just kind of throwing that out there.
So I would like to take this opportunity to talk a little bit about our new sponsor for the WAN Show,
so I'm going to go ahead and fire this up.
So speaking of people who aren't necessarily the most technically inclined in the world,
Squarespace.com.
They are officially powering the WAN Show as of...
It was supposed to be last week, but we had some stream issues,
and we ended up sort of not being able to do our mid-roll integration for them,
so we saved it until this week.
But what Squarespace.com allows you to do, if you're not familiar with it already,
is to create a website to display your webstore photography portfolio,
although if you want to go ahead and accuse Best Buy of letting your portfolio...
letting other customers have access to your portfolio, whatever the case may be,
then I wouldn't recommend putting it on Squarespace,
because the idea is that it would be publicly visible,
or you can create a personal blog.
So basically it's kind of like GeoCities, but updated for 2013,
so the designs are not ugly.
The designs have evolved in general on the web quite a bit since then,
but Squarespace has over 20 customizable profiles and templates
that you can go ahead and tinker around with to your heart's content.
So you sign up for a free trial, which doesn't require a credit card whatsoever,
and it actually gives you some suggestions depending what you want to do.
So if you want to create an online store, it'll say,
okay, well these ones are pretty optimal for that.
Or if you wanted to create a blog, it'll say these ones are pretty optimal for that,
and there's a ton of customization that you can do,
so you can change fonts, you can change locations,
you can add a bunch of navigation at the top.
They've got 24-7 tech supports, and our audience will probably also like
that in addition to the drag-and-drop interface that allows you to kind of go,
oh, well, okay, I'm going to merchandise an item,
just kind of drag-and-drop a picture in there at a price,
at an on-sale price, and then it's pretty much ready to go,
you can actually use the advanced tab or the developer mode tab
to dink around with the CSS and HTML.
So it's not just for non-techies.
It starts at $8 a month and includes scalable hosting,
if traffic turns out to be much better than you expected,
and if you use offer code LINUS8,
you can save 10% on your first purchase with a new account.
So thanks Squarespace for your support of the WAN Show,
and we're really excited to keep working with you guys,
because so far, my mom's actually been trying to get a website going on it,
and they've been pretty easy to use.
She's actually at the cabin right now,
so she hasn't worked on it in the last, I think, five days.
But I am outright refusing to help her,
and I'm telling her that I want her to go through Squarespace's tech support,
because to me, that is the ultimate acid test.
If they can handle her, they can handle pretty much anything,
because her question was, because when you buy a year,
they throw in a domain for free,
so her question was, what is a domain?
So that should give you some idea of my mom's sort of technical level
when it comes to the interwebs and all of those related things.
So speaking of the interwebs, Cisco,
the company that powers a whole lot of the interwebs,
slashed 4,000 staff in spite of turning, oh boy,
in spite of recording record results for the quarter.
So it really sort of raises the question, what is going on over there?
So they recently shed Linksys for not being profitable enough,
not contributing enough to their bottom line,
or basically looking bad on their balance sheet.
They have, wow, they slashed 4,000 jobs.
I mean, think about that.
You went to high school with probably anywhere from a couple hundred
to 500 people, depending on the size of your high school.
So that's about like them slashing your entire graduating class
times probably anywhere from about 8 to 20.
Unbelievable.
So what do they have to say about this?
In the past two years, we have managed the business with discipline and focus
to execute on the portfolio investments and operational efficiency opportunities
that we see in fiscal year 2014.
We are rebalancing our resources with a workforce reduction
which will impact 5% of our global workforce.
Now, as someone who runs their own business these days,
I can definitely sympathize with the seemingly uncontrollable cost
that is human resources.
Something that a lot of people don't know
is that the amount that you get on your paycheck in your bank account,
so yes, Uncle Sam or, you know, Mr. Harper
or whoever it is that represents your tax man in your country
is definitely taking a cut,
but there's also a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
So let's say theoretically I had an employee at Linus Media Group
that's wage was $10 an hour.
I am paying anywhere from around $12.5 to $13.5 an hour,
and we don't even have medical plan yet.
Remember, this is Canada, so when we don't have a medical plan,
that doesn't mean you're completely boned.
It just means that you don't have extended medical like dental, for example.
It's something we're working on,
but the actual cost is double-digit percentages higher
than the employee even knows about.
So I can definitely relate to that,
but on the other hand, I take a bit of a different philosophy, I think,
and hopefully Slick can back me up on this,
where I feel like if Linus Media Group is doing well and we're making money,
the people that got us there should be getting a reward
as opposed to getting their jobs cut or getting their salaries cut.
I'm assuming you're talking about Cisco.
Yeah, I'm talking about the Cisco thing.
I mean, I'm going to be perfectly blunt with the viewers right now.
I haven't given myself a raise since we started Linus Media Group.
However, I have done some raises and some bonuses, so there you go.
I mean, that's not to say that I'm going to pay everyone $250,000 a year
just for showing up to work.
They're going to have to make sure that the stream is ready to go on time
when I come back from NCIX if they want something like that to happen.
I don't take full responsibility for that.
And definitely our ISP issues today haven't helped.
But anyway, the point is I really don't like this at all.
And maybe it's a good thing that Belkin owns Linksys now
because I've got some pretty good bros over at Linksys
that I don't want to lose their jobs.
It's like 5% of the company got dropped or something?
I don't know how much you've talked about it.
And with that said, if you've worked at a bigger company,
you probably know that one out of every 20 people there at least is a complete idiot.
So maybe that was the kind of layoffs.
But if you've worked at a big company that's gone through layoffs,
you probably know that it's not always that way.
And a lot of times it becomes friendships instead of actual productivity.
Friendships and seniority and just goofy stuff
that's not actually to do with competence.
I know really good people who have gotten laid off
when I know complete morons at the same company that for whatever reason still have their jobs.
So we're not getting any help from them right now.
It'll have to be after the stream.
I refuse to do anything until I reset my modem.
Okay. I guess that makes sense.
Okay, well we don't really have too much left anyway.
Lots of rumors about the upcoming, whatever it is they're going to call it,
let's just call it Volcanic Islands.
So AMD's new graphics cards potentially that maybe are coming
and I can't find the link in the doc for it.
Up a little bit.
Way down.
Little tiny bit.
There it is.
Alright, it's one of those stupid ones where the header is on a different line than the other one.
So potential pricing has potentially been revealed.
So according to Fudzilla, this was posted by Emma Long on the Linus Tech Tips forum,
the HD9970 will cost less than $600.
They speculate that it will cost between $549 and $599.
That's really, really aggressive.
That sounds about right for a high-end GPU launch.
Yeah, but it's aggressive compared to what is on the other team.
Compared to what's available now because NVIDIA just refreshed.
They're not going to be launching Maxwell like tomorrow.
So they're not necessarily going to have a response.
AMD could have done what NVIDIA did because the rumored performance
of the potentially alleged 9970 is rumored to be around 5% better than a Titan.
So they could have come in at $1000 or even $899.99 and undercut Titan.
But it looks like what AMD wants to do is put pressure on NVIDIA to drop the price of Titan.
Which is cool.
Which is great.
I like a cheap Titan.
Because we're going to see Never Settle Forever is now running.
So you have your choice of, I think it's eight games right now.
And they're pretty, pretty high-end titles.
If you buy a top-tier card, you get three games.
If you buy a 7800 series right now, you get two games.
And if you buy a 7770 or 7790, you get one game and you get to pick whatever you want.
And get this.
I didn't even know about this until today.
But if you don't like any of the games on Never Settle Forever right now,
or you already have them, you can hold on to your ticket until December 31st at least.
And hold out for upcoming games.
Or possible other games.
Wow, that's cool.
Yeah.
So be it.
They are really, really putting the pressure on with the new drivers,
upcoming potentially alleged GPUs,
and upcoming potentially alleged game titles.
Yeah.
Because, yeah.
I mean, I've seen, I can't comment on the upcoming game titles, unfortunately.
Because I have seen a deck.
And I do know what it is.
Hold on to your pants, guys.
Hold on to your pants.
I haven't seen this. I'm excited.
So, yeah, that's incredibly exciting.
Have you talked about baby monitors?
No!
Wow, guys, secure your freaking Wi-Fi.
Do it now.
This was posted by Ion Basa on the forum,
and this was an article from CNET.com,
and there's more on ABC.
Go, slick!
So some guy hacked into some other guy's router,
accessed their network-enabled baby monitor,
and started shouting through it.
They heard a voice calling his daughter an effing moron,
and telling her to wake up, you little thing.
The hacker began shouting at her parents
once they came into the room to try and figure out what was going on,
called the man a stupid moron, and his wife a B-word.
In front of their two-year-old daughter.
And they're not even sure this hadn't happened already at least once.
So, oh, man.
Like, if you know anyone that uses network-enabled baby monitors,
you're a tech guy.
My router's secure.
Yeah, we're charging you to be personally responsible
for protecting your friends and family,
and making sure that this kind of...
Because that is such a huge invasion of privacy.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
That's just...
Not only does he have access to the video,
but he's able to talk to them?
Like, that's not cool.
Go secure your Wi-Fi right now if you haven't done it.
Moving into our next topic, Xbox One claims it can do 4K gaming.
So this was posted on the forum by TheBloodyToxic.
Here we go.
I just... I wonder, like...
The amount of hardware it takes to run 4K well on a computer?
Like, what frame rates is this running at?
Here's the quote.
There's no hardware restriction there at all.
So in theory, the Xbox One could support 2K,
or perhaps even 4K gaming,
if there's content for it at those resolutions.
The source is Forbes,
and I think the original poster of this link on our forum
has some pretty good points here.
I have two main reasons why this is just stupid,
and why it's basically just a lie.
This is quoting TheBloodyToxic.
One, two dual titans in 4K
barely are able to throw 60 FPS at a screen
with medium settings on modern games.
We're not even talking next-gen games.
Number two, the Xbox One has one 1.4 HDMI output,
which means 4K is going to be at 30 hertz.
However, I think the first one is probably the most valid,
because there was no way you were going to be pushing more than 30 FPS anyway.
No.
So... yeah.
I mean, they've had a pretty good run of good press going lately.
And the Kinect thing? I don't know if you've talked about that.
Yeah, we haven't talked about that yet.
So Kinect is no longer required to run.
Which is really good! Like, good job!
And then you do this. Like, what are you saying?
You're just confusing people. It's not true.
You're just confusing people.
Xbox One is not suitable for 4K gaming, mark my words.
4K gaming is coming to PC now.
4K gaming is not coming to console for a very, very long time.
Well, at least 10 years, unless they have some crazy add-on pack or something.
Unless they have some weird expansion thing.
Well, hold on a second.
Because it wouldn't be the first time that ever happened.
I know. Yep.
Sega Genesis?
Yep. So it could happen, but it's going to have to be something that you slap on the console,
or it's going to be a revision 2 of the console or something like that.
It's... not now.
I mean, how much do you miss cartridges at this point?
Star Fox?
This is a completely different thing.
Let's just put more supplemental hardware on the game.
Cartridges are awesome! I hate discs.
I've never liked discs.
I've never liked discs.
Floppies are cool.
Cartridges are cool.
Discs suck.
This one's always sucked.
Floppy sucked.
But floppies were cool.
You're too young to ever have actually had a situation where you had a report that you had to print out at school,
only to discover that your floppy disc broke or just was...
I actually did have to do that, but it was such a low grade that I don't think it mattered.
They were so unreliable.
They were terrible.
But they were cool.
The first time I got a USB thumb drive, it was an 8 meg drive.
You're so stoked.
And it was the best thing that ever happened.
Yeah.
That was one of my favorite technology things that I ever owned.
I'm not saying they were good.
I'm saying they were cool.
I liked the idea of floppy...
I don't know.
Speaking of discs, where's my topic for this?
I don't remember where it is.
Some game that I wanted to buy.
Payday 2.
Payday 2 does not have a physical copy.
I think there might be a physical crazy collector's edition or something that's insanely expensive.
You know what?
Who cares?
Move on.
No.
I disagree with you.
I think physical copies are the stupidest thing ever.
They're dead.
But then you run into things like what if Steam drops support?
What if something drops support?
Like old school games, I can still play Red Alert.
Okay.
If Red Alert was a game running on a service back then, that wouldn't exist anymore.
Okay, back up your Steam files.
Because Valve said outright that they'll find a way for titles purchased through Steam
to be still playable if they ever go completely insolvent or shut down the service.
Ugh, back up all your Steam files?
How many...
Can you actually ask that of everyone?
I don't think it's that unreasonable.
If you can ask someone to buy a physical copy of a disc, which is like worth what, 20 cents?
Who cares?
Then is it that unreasonable to say, okay...
Okay, okay, here.
Is it more work to burn a disc than it is to go to a freaking store to buy a game?
But do you have right to burn that disc?
To copy Steam files to a disc?
Do you?
Yeah, sure.
You can back up Steam files all day long.
They even have a built-in backup feature.
If you can back it up to a folder, you can back it up to a CD.
I still personally like physical, having something physical.
And I still wish it was a cartridge for console games.
I think that we should probably all be able to agree that when it comes to movies, video games, and women, digital is just as good as physical.
Of course you had to drop that.
I don't think so.
I still disagree.
I still like having something physical.
Okay, I'll give you movies.
Not women?
Not significant others?
Dude, if I could give you women, that would be a whole other business that Linus Media Group is running.
We have to put the significant others thing on there.
It might not necessarily apply to everyone.
Animated PNGs?
Ah, yes.
Animated PNGs.
So the GIF, or it's pronounced JIF.
The days may be numbered for that guy right there.
Here it is.
There's a Kickstarter.
Let us animate PNG.
So this was posted by Ghost on the forum.
Ghost, you're awesome by the way.
You were kind of annoying in the early days of the forum, but we both really like you now.
You're awesome, dude.
Kind of annoying because he told us everything was broken.
Well, yeah.
When it was.
He was right.
I think he even stopped coming to the forum at some point outright.
He came back when we fixed it.
I'm glad he came back because I like him.
Anyways, so you can view a demo of the difference between a GIF.
Why don't we play it?
You have to have Firefox.
Oh, that video.
Sure.
Yeah.
Let's play the video.
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the APngasm animated PNG tools and standardization project.
That sounds like a total neck beard.
APngasm is the animated PNG assembler, and it is currently the only tool that fully supports
creating animated PNGs.
APNGs like animated goals will have a Java native version and a CoffeeScript and JavaScript
native version so that it can be used in different places.
Further goals include SVG and SMIL conversion and a full animation editor for SVG and SMIL.
For more information, please see the project description.
So, that's pretty cool, hey?
Stop.
Oh, sorry.
I'm trying to stop the thing.
I'm not having success here.
I think that's awesome.
It is awesome.
I like everything about it.
I'm surprised it got funded.
And it got funded fast.
Yeah.
So they have beat their $5,000 goal in only eight days, which is outstanding.
That's awesome.
In fact, quite a few backers, one backer pledged $2,500.
There's a single backer that's like, yup, here we go.
So, what does he get?
Ports of our base APng libraries and tools for the language platform of your choice.
You and your company will be fully accredited.
Cool.
So, um.
It's better.
Yeah, it's time for.
In like every way.
I'm stoked.
That's cool.
So 4chan can be in HD now.
4chan's a little.
What?
No, just everything.
Half the things that are posted on there are animated GIFs as far as I can tell, so.
So now it can like look better.
Or we can even.
We can have even higher resolution disgusting animated stuff on like the armpit of the internet.
I just.
It looks a lot better.
It takes less data.
And like the most ridiculous thing with GIFs is how long they take to load.
Right.
I don't know how to say GIF.
Because they just take forever to load.
So, I don't know.
Everything is better about this.
My favorite thing is that it just takes less.
I'm excited about transparency support.
That's cool.
That's really cool.
That's definitely cool.
I mean that's something that would be great for even things like Wancho.
If we could have like an animated thing that supports alpha channels that's transparent.
So we could have like moving junk.
I mean.
We're going to go back to like.
XSplit is going to have to you know.
Step things up a little bit too but.
We're going to have to go back to like 90s level internet web pages.
2002.
A little bit past 90s.
Speaking of going back in time.
Check this out.
So the upcoming.
Oh.
Oh wow.
The page has been pulled down.
Okay well at any rate.
The upcoming Ivy Bridge E4670K has been de-lidded by one of the overclockers over on koolalar.com.
And basically they've discovered that the IHS is soldered down to the CPU core.
This does a couple of things.
Number one is it makes it harder to remove.
Yep.
He destroyed his chip doing that.
Yep.
Number two is it de-incentivizes people to remove the bloody thing.
Because you're going to get better thermal performance.
By having the die soldered to the top of the integrated heat spreader.
Versus having a thermal compound in there.
It also means that there won't be as much inconsistency.
Because having a solid metal layer means no air pockets can get stuck.
And the IHS won't be as prone to being sort of not attached in one spot.
Or whatever else the case may be.
So that's great.
I guess what Intel's saying is when it comes to our server grade products.
We do actually know that solder is better.
So they do know.
Deep down they do know.
I'm happy to see this is kind of sad for the dude that lost his chip right away.
He probably has a half a dozen of them.
Like those extreme overclocker guys.
They get like a tray of CPUs pre-launch and do a bunch of benching and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah I'm not too worried about him.
Yeah that's awesome.
I'm stoked to see that.
Alright.
Well.
BitFenix Prodigy M.
Yeah.
This is exciting.
So one of the things that was noticed by the reviewers and enthusiast community at large.
This was posted by Soely.
Or however you pronounce that.
Located in Belgium.
Soely.
That's Jackie.
Yeah.
Oh I love that guy.
He's awesome.
Anyway.
So there's a product guided tour apparently.
Apparently BitFenix thinks they can do them better than us.
Instead of having us do their product tours.
Actually I just got off an email thread with BitFenix yesterday.
Where we were going back and forth pretty good.
We are going to be getting samples of pretty much every upcoming BitFenix thing.
So we will be bringing you guys more BitFenix videos.
So that's a new development that I don't think Slick knew about yet.
Did not.
But the thing that people noticed about the Prodigy was that it wasn't that small.
It was about the size of MATX cases but took an ITX motherboard.
In fact Silverstone went full shots fired mode against BitFenix.
By basically saying well if you look at the actual volume of the case.
We have MATX cases that are smaller than this.
That fit hardware pretty well too.
So what they've done is they have completely rearranged the interior.
In order to accommodate an MATX board.
So they no longer have the flat mounting idea that they had for the ITX board.
It's again a vertically mounted motherboard.
I'm going to just zoom in as far as I possibly can here.
240p.
Yeah yeah.
Alright.
Okay so there you go. You can kind of see it now.
So here's where the motherboard is.
It's an upside down motherboard arrangement.
Drives go I think here.
And then it supports liquid cooling in the back.
With one radiator.
So there's yeah there's less support.
Like one cool thing that we saw in the Prodigy before was the insane water cooling builds.
Yes.
Where people would fit all the radiators.
And there will be less of that.
There will be less of that.
But it's more practical case.
Yeah so good work BitFenix. We love it.
And I hope they keep around the original Prodigy.
I hope they just have two different products.
Yes they will.
Which I think they're doing.
That is confirmed.
We talked to them about it at Computex when I covered their booth.
So I have seen this already.
The layout is actually pretty smart.
It looks good.
Cool.
Alright.
Unless you have anything else.
We gotta do the Build Logs of the Week.
Yes.
We've got some pretty epic ones that I know you've seen at least one of.
Alright.
He did finish on time.
Which I was happy about.
Alright Build Logs of the Week.
Let's go ahead and download this mother.
On 3G.
Yeah I know right.
Like my data builds.
Just like whatever.
The good news is I have lots of.
Oh I'm downloading two instances of it right now.
Cancel one.
No.
Cancel one of them.
Oh no I cancelled the one.
Don't you hate that when you have two instances coming down and you cancel the one that's more complete?
Yeah.
Like just FML moments.
Or like when you commit something to the printer queue.
And then because printers are apparently still stuck in the 80's.
You can never.
Have you ever successfully cancelled a print job?
Never.
I've only ever been able to do it physically on the printer and it just cancels everything.
That usually doesn't even work for me.
It's the.
I do somewhat okay with that.
There was one time when I really had to cancel it.
Like it was like 60 pages.
And what I had to do was I unplugged the printer.
And then just re-plugged it in.
Sometimes even when you do that it'll just re-grab the job and keep going.
It was an old printer.
So it wasn't that advanced yet.
Alright so moving right along guys here.
Project Cobalt by Jordan Mack.
This one.
Boom!
It's just awesome.
Holy crap like I wish we could show this in it's HD glory.
We're at 240p I'm sorry Jordan Mack.
Oh man.
Okay all of these guys like we're gonna show pictures but check it on the freaking forum.
Yeah.
Um.
Build logs section of the forum.
Check the build logs of the week thread.
Isn't this thing beautiful?
I actually tweeted a picture of this mid plate earlier this week cause I was just blown away.
He's gonna be doing a comprehensive guide on how to make them and he's gonna be posting
it in our guide section on the forum.
Jordan.
You win.
I'm probably gonna make one.
I don't even know what you win.
It's so cool.
You win seven of them though.
Just seven things.
Seven things.
So he's got Kuiper.
Kuiper?
Yeah he invented a new metal.
Yes copper piping which he has painted.
No plating.
Plated.
Sorry.
Yes.
No paint plating on the copper tubing.
And beautifully sleeved cables.
Mayhem.
Uh blue fluid.
Gorgeous.
Pastel blue I believe.
I'm not sure.
Yup.
Drilled holes through this mid plate that looks like you could damage it cause it looks
like a freaking PCB.
Yup.
Just oh look at these oh look at these tubing runs man.
The runs are super nice and like without the mid plate on it looked a little bit weird
with his runs but then once the mid plate's on it makes tons of sense and looks great.
And Slick this is the I actually gave Slick a GTX 670 which he refuses to install on his
computer because of the mini PCB.
Boom.
If it's good enough for him it's good enough for you.
Boom.
Ah.
Beautiful machine.
Anyway guys go check it out.
Great sleeving which we've just kind of come to expect.
This build I wanted to show like how he does the underlighting for the there we go.
So now you don't see the glare from the LED strips.
This is with the side panel on.
Man that's beautiful.
So it looks better but it's not as comprehensive as the previous shot.
That's the only reason why.
Alright moving on to our next build log.
The 15 terabyte BitFenix Prodigy by Jimsta87.
I thought you might like this one especially.
Man.
Love it.
So there's not even a ton to say with this one other than go look at it on the build logs
and you probably can't see it.
Ghetto mount SSD.
You win for that because I'm all about the ghetto mounted SSDs.
Ghetto mounted SSD.
A little fan that helps cool his raid card and then all the hard drives.
Which is a thing.
Yep.
Those raid cards run friggin hot.
They should have better cooling on them.
No because the way that they're spec'd is not for desktop installation.
Yeah.
They're spec'd for racks.
That's true.
Where there's expected to be like turbine grade fans drawing air front to back cooling
these things.
In fact right in the documentation for the LSI card I believe that I have in my machine
it says it expects X number of CFM of constant air flow.
You can get one of those Gellid PCI slot fan.
Yeah.
That wouldn't make my machine look ridiculous.
My solution was to put the raid card down at the very bottom and then I have a basement
radiator that it gets some incidental air flow from and it doesn't overheat.
Yeah.
Here's another.
Oh man.
Just to show that it was actually in a prodigy with the previous.
Great choice of WD reds.
That is definitely the appropriate drive for a machine like this.
And Neptune by Jojo 69.
Very inappropriate Jojo.
Disapprove of that number.
Oh my goodness.
At first I was like huh?
What?
What?
So kind of similar idea to one that we saw previously but he he got his cable sleeved
I believe these are extensions and then he sewed them himself together.
If you see those lines sewn together.
So fascinating the threading doesn't look bad and it keeps them in a very nice neat
run right which I thought was very cool.
That was a challenge that I had with my machine was like how do you make them stay together?
So he sewed them together which kind of makes sense and that's and not to just bring attention
to that.
It's a very beautiful build.
Just it.
Yeah.
Nice straight tubing runs.
Always looks gorgeous.
Criticism for my overkill buyers guide.
Linus you should have used better angled fittings.
You should have done straighter tubing runs.
You should have used clear tubing and a coolant etc etc etc.
Guys it was a build that we were literally going to tear apart as soon as we were done
building it.
So yes you're not wrong.
You're not wrong but you're also not necessarily right.
Because one of the things that I personally don't do is invest in very specialized pieces
of hardware that I can't continue to reuse because when I build a rig my graphics card
might be in there for well more so in the past.
I don't change it as much anymore but I would look at everything as it needs to be modular.
My graphics card might be in there for two more weeks.
Who knows?
Saying that you have a 590.
I know.
So it's less true these days but that's always the approach that I've taken to a rig is how
hard is it to work on this bloody thing.
So that was why I would never use hard fittings between my SLI cards.
I always used tubing because I found it easier to disconnect and pull one card if there was
an issue.
Same thing why I never used particularly angled fittings because I'd be doing motherboard
swaps every three to four weeks.
So no I'm not buying full full cover motherboard blocks.
Not in my not in my dictionary.
That's yes but that's not necessarily applicable to everyone.
No it's not.
Yeah.
That's why I took that's my personal philosophy.
And if you if you were doing a one run of that build though I personally agree with
them we should have done tighter runs but we're tearing it down.
So so there's that.
And like that's we showed it was just a better shot of the computer but I want to do a close
in shot.
This one you can see the threading a lot better.
No way.
Is that one of those old Zelman hard drive coolers.
Wow you win the internets for that.
I don't even think you can buy those anymore.
And it even matches the color scheme of the build perfectly.
Oops I wanted to go back to that shot again.
There we go.
Gorgeous machine.
Really really good.
And then the carbon fiber wraps yeah I was trying to I was like there's something I'm
missing.
The carbon fiber wraps like everything.
That carbon fiber wrap absolutely beautiful.
All right so I think that pretty much wraps it up for the WAN show today guys.
Thank you very much for your patience.
We're going to be on the line with Shaw pretty much immediately after this.
And we are going to see if we can figure out these issues for next week.
And I'm just going to call them right now.
Hopefully next week's stream is not in 240p but thank you for watching anyway.
Good night everyone.
Thanks guys.
We will do an after party once everything's working.
Yeah I think we're we're off for after party because the stream has already run a full
hour over time with us diagnosing technical difficulties everything working next week.
I think we can we can confirm an after party if we get everything working this week.
And if you guys follow me on Twitter you'll have seen that I now have a new workflow for
taking the video clips that we get out of XSplit which are variable frame rate and making
sure that the video and audio don't de-sync.
So I should be able to get the WAN show uploaded sooner than normal and do you have any family
functions this weekend?
Yeah.
OK well that figures.
But if you can get it up tonight?
I can get it up any time you want.
Tonight then.
Yeah.
Mmmm.
Haha.