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Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever. Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever.

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And we're live, ladies and gentlemen. Who are we kidding? We're live, gentlemen.
Um, and lady. I don't know, your mom might be watching.
Your mom is probably watching.
We've got a great show for you guys today. Actually, we've got a great show for you guys today.
Jake did the WAN show document, so other than that, it's a great show.
We're going to go super tangent off the dock and just make it work.
We're just not even going to use the dock because I'm all about demoralizing the people who work here.
That's what it's all about. And, you know, as much fun as it is to demoralize James, it had kind of lost its shine.
Yeah, you need a new person every once in a while.
Every once in a while we want someone new to work on the WAN show dock so that we can crush their soul.
So today it's Jake. Actually, oh, oh, oh, this is cool. So topics today.
We're going to probably kick it off with impressions of the Samsung Galaxy S9.
See, that's actually an S8, but you'd never know the difference.
Yeah, I was like, wow.
And like the very minor camera differences on the back.
Flippy, the burger flipping robot, started working at Caliburger in California. We'll go through what a burger flipping robot means and how effective it was.
The source for that article was Master Disaster, so I'm assuming that Jake wrote it himself.
Also, there's Newegg customers in Connecticut receiving tax bills because Newegg didn't charge them sales tax.
Sorry, Jake.
And modders were able to put Coffee Lake CPUs into Skylake and Kaby Lake motherboards to a certain degree of success, which is actually kind of crazy.
So why don't we roll the intro and we'll get on with the show where theoretically we'll talk about all those things that we just talked about that we're going to talk about.
But actually, we're probably going to end up talking about something else.
We sometimes do it.
We got that. We got that. We got that.
All right.
So we're going to kick things off with the most important news this week.
Linus cat tips, the YouTube channel that has videos of my cat, including this fantastic one right here that I uploaded yesterday.
It's got my cat. I was trying to well, you can probably figure out based on the tile tile back wall there, what I was trying to do.
So I was trying to do that. And, you know, the cat decided that he had already done that, needed somewhere to wipe his butt, decided on my hair.
So this is the one hundred thousand one hundred thousand subscriber update for Linus cat tips.
It's got one hundred twenty thousand views. Best performing video on this channel of all time.
And the big news here, though, is that Linus cat tips, the most important channel at Linus Media Group, has crossed one hundred thousand subscribers.
I'm surprised you have a B minus. Meaning meaning that.
Well, it's probably just because of the last couple of days.
Right. OK. Where it went from eighty five thousand subscribers.
OK, we should go. We should probably go all the way back to here.
So this is when the NCIX bankruptcy auction blog hit float plane.
OK. Yeah. So we got, you know, fifteen hundred or so subscribers.
Like normally it actually does grow. Like let's look at the full monthly statistics here.
Social play is a great site for creeping on YouTube channels, by the way, you guys. It's awesome.
You can like see how many subs they get, how many views they get. This is B.S.
Don't trust it. Believe me. Like, I mean, any number that's like, well, somewhere between seventy seven cents and twelve dollars.
Imagine you were able to pay for things like that.
Yeah. Imagine you walked into McDonald's. It's like, yeah, super value menu.
It costs anywhere between, you know, sixty nine cents and eighteen bucks.
Yeah. Like, oh, you don't know until you're checking out.
That's right. You know what? Hold on a second.
I just gave him a bad idea. This is I should not have said anything.
Micro transaction restaurants, loot box, loot box, the restaurant.
Oh, it's actually brilliant.
So you don't know. So you take away all the like, oh, I don't know what to pick off the menu because you don't.
Well, no, because it's wait. Yeah. So you get what you pick, like one of three different tiers of loot box.
And so you might end up. Yeah. So you get the five dollar loot box.
Or it's like a single serving, double serving or like three course meal loot box.
Wow. And so I'd probably go.
So some people are going to because like gaming themed establishments are totally a thing.
Yeah. For the most part, bars, I guess. Yeah. There's a lot of gaming bars.
OK. But the gaming the loot box restaurant where you go in and like sometimes you're going to get like a sort of like adequate meal.
And then other times you're going to get like the frickin diamond armor, whatever crap is popular, horse armor.
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Addition. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it comes we're going to get horse armor anymore.
And it's a good reference. Shut up. Good reference, though. Shut up.
I like you. Great. But yeah, and then sometimes it'll you'll spend like a considerable amount on a meal.
It'll literally just be like a day old McDonald's. No, I don't know about that.
You got to add some junk. No, you'd either get OK. You could get like an adequate meal or you could get like like something really nice.
And it like comes with actual like gamer loot. Like it could come with like an amiibo. Oh, oh, right.
Or like T-shirts. Because remember, the thing about loot boxes is that you're you already know you're kind of paying too much.
So, no, the base meal is already decent.
Then you might get loot. And so effectively, the people who just get a meal are subsidizing the people who get like something a little bit more overall.
But there's a chance you're going to get some cool just like a loot box.
Yeah, I like that. That's probably way more reasonable than Dale McDonald's. There's a there's a way more reasonable.
There's a restaurant downtown Vancouver. There's two of them.
Same name. One of them is more just a like very small hole in the wall place than the other ones, like a big establishment.
But they're both called Stormcrow. I think one of them is tavern and one of them is something else.
Anyways, we're getting kind of crapped on. It's called a kid's meal. The loot is a toy. Whatever, man.
No, no, no. This is for adults. And they're like proper meals. Yeah.
And you might get you don't get T-shirts and kids meals. He's just talking about amiibos and T-shirts.
This is like nicely branded stuff. Not like some super cheap. Totally different. Yeah.
But yes, Stormcrow, I believe you can roll a D20. OK.
Depending on what the D20 results in, you get a different I think it's a shot.
OK. I'm not sure. And then if you get a 20, I don't remember. Something cool happens.
I don't know. People are complaining the camera's tilted and like to my eye it is noticeably tilted.
OK. Is it just tilting over time? No, I don't think so.
Because didn't we check it before the stream hiring professional camera people anyway?
Does that seem better? I don't know. It's hard to tell without me there.
And like part of it's like, is this shelf on an angle? Yes, it is. Yeah. Like we're shooting at it from an angle.
Yeah. So, you know, so people probably are just attributing that.
I think we're just going to that's noticeably better. We're going to roll with that.
OK. You know, there's a little too much headroom. Jake, can you adjust the headroom down a little bit?
Maximum headroom. You've got this. You've got this. All right. What the heck were we talking about?
It seemed important. The boxes. Oh, no, it was really important. Linus cat tips.
OK. Right. So what happened? Oh, right. Yeah.
What happened here was next it hit YouTube and this nothing channel went from eighty five thousand to one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers in three days.
He doubled, which is actually more like two days because it was like the evening of the seventh.
And it is now not yet even the evening of the ninth. And the reason did you watch the NCX bankruptcy vlogs?
Yeah. So you saw the part where ultimately, OK, I've got some people saying that it was the wrong move.
To give the guy well, not give it to him. I mean, he bid for it like he won it in the auction, but to sort of let it go.
Do you think it was the wrong move? I think what you maybe should have done because you knew this.
Maybe not to the scale. Maybe you thought more scale. I don't know. But you knew you would pass one hundred K.
Yeah. But I also knew that Linus cat tips was going to end up with one hundred thousand subscribers eventually anyway.
Yes. All I would have to do is do one shadow. I could have done it at any moment over the last three years.
Yeah. Just like that is accelerating it. Yeah. You could have got it from him with the idea that, like, hey, I'll get you the cat tips.
Well, that's interesting. Or you could have used your contacts instead of using his contacts to try to be like, hey, let's get him the freakin button.
You know, I didn't think of that at all. I should have totally done that. I should have totally been like, look, I want the NCX tech tips one.
But tell you what. Because you don't ultimately care. No, I should have just created, like, a troll. Like, extra one.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And you should have named it almost identical to his channel with, like, a period or something.
Yeah. So that you, like, can't really tell. Yeah. And then just been like, alright, guys, let's get this dude.
Because you got eighty something thousand. Yeah. You could have made it. I didn't think of that at all.
Why do I even ask you these things? So now you need to make NCX dot. Or, like, use a weird character for the eye or something.
And do it again. And then we need to get it again. I gotta tell you the...
Okay, so first of all, all the people saying that, like, he didn't deserve it because he's a top ten channel or something, or he probably bought his subscribers.
What are you talking about? Like, the guy uploaded a lot of videos. I never even... I didn't...
Yeah, no, people are, like, they're, like, mad that, like, a crappy top ten channel got the play button.
And I'm kind of sitting here going, you guys... I mean, I don't think we left the entire cut of all of my interaction with him in the video.
But what happened was he won it. Fair and square. And I asked for it. And he was like, no.
And then I explained that I was the one who started that channel. And he was like, oh, no problem, man. Take it.
He seemed cool. He was totally cool about it. In the little bit that I saw, he seemed cool.
And so I had a couple minutes between being on the auction floor and then going to the front where we were going to pick it up to kind of think about it.
And I went, like, he was really cool about this. What happened with him was he was with a crappy MCN back when he crossed his 100,000 threshold.
So he's got his gold button already. But he was with a crappy MCN that for whatever reason, he got lost in the shuffle and he wasn't able to claim his silver play button.
So he just wanted one so that he could rebrand it, not because he didn't earn it, but because he never got his that he did earn.
And I was like, you know what? At the end of the day, I've got in my fantastic studio with my amazing staff three silver play buttons on the wall.
And two gold.
And not to mention the two gold play buttons. And he was so cool about it. Like, if he wasn't really cool about it and he was like, you know, yeah, man, you know, I think I should have it.
But he wasn't like that at all. If he wasn't cool about it, I would have I would have wanted to fight harder for it.
But he was just such a nice guy that I thought it was hard to I thought it was the right thing to do.
I understood your stance at the time. But yeah, I would have tried to pull something like making a game to make like a really similar channel name or that would have been a better move.
That would have been the pro move. But I still have no regrets. I still feel good about how it went down.
And if nothing else, we should now make like try to make a channel that's like NCX, but like change something very minor.
It's hard. Was it NCX or NCXcom?
NCIXcom and a big NCIX a small com. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember I actually it's funny.
I remember having an argument internally about what we were going to call it because NCIX wasn't available for some reason.
OK. And I got questioned like quite a few times about why it wasn't NCIXcom.
Oh, and I was like, because you can't have a period in the URL. And they were like, are you sure?
Like, yeah. Yeah, you can't. People are like, you should create a float plane NCIX plaque.
So honestly, the one that I really want is the gold one. But I'm going to tell you something.
The gold one is missing. Did someone take it from the office?
Kind of looks that way. Wasn't me. Like, you're giving me that look. No, I actually had nothing to do with it.
So I'm just rapidly speculating privately who it might have been.
So the rumor that I heard was that it was in the CEO's office the last it was seen.
And now it's not. So I would and no, Riley doesn't have it.
I asked Riley. He's a straight up dude. He would have told me.
Yeah. So he was the last one left working on the NCIX Tech Tips channel.
And he says he doesn't have it. And the last time he saw it, it was in the CEO's office.
So, oh, you know what? In other crazy important news that Jake did not put in the document.
Wow. You did a great job. There's been a lot of speculation that we will be acquiring the NCIX Tech Tips channel.
And I can put that to rest once and for all. We are not acquiring the NCIX Tech Tips channel.
Not for lack of effort, but it will not be possible.
And so, yeah, honestly, I'm pretty disappointed. I actually had a pretty rotten day that day.
I had a bunch of things go wrong and I had the call that sort of was the nail in the coffin that I will not be getting it.
It is my belief that whoever is taking control of it is going to basically burn it to the ground and piss on the ashes,
according to the plan that they have described to me, which is really disappointing because I put a lot of work into that.
I mean, that's where I cut my teeth as a YouTuber. That's where you cut your teeth as a YouTuber.
It's kind of sad that we're not getting it. I was pretty excited when we were talking about it.
So I had felt very strongly that we should be allowed to buy it, but it's a little more complicated than that legally.
And it's just not going to be possible. So, I mean, you know, I might as well be upfront with you guys.
The only way we were going to get it was if we bought NCIX, which might seem like a great idea on paper, but no.
I was trying to be diplomatic.
Sorry.
So it would include the domain, the sophisticated inventory management and backend software.
Oh, yes. Yes, definitely.
Sophisticated. The very not cobbled together backend management system.
The trademarks, the copyrights, the intellectual property, including their fantastic mobile app.
Basically, the untarnished brand.
Oh, absolutely. Nobody's wondering where their shipments are.
The fantastic relationships that that brand will inspire with potential suppliers.
Owing people money and then never giving it to them is a really great way to establish trust.
Now, I mean, to be clear, no, you wouldn't acquire the debt.
So this is this is interesting. So the way that it works with the bankruptcy proceedings is that these assets are being liquidated by the bankruptcy trustee.
So the funds are not actually going to the original owner.
The funds are going to the creditors, meaning that even if let's say NCIX would do, oh, I don't know, six million dollars hypothetical number.
No, no, not me. Someone else. But it's not hypothetical. It's real.
Let's say NCIX would do six million dollars. And let's say at the auction that we attended and through the sale of the the domain and the intellectual property and all that, that they managed to raise.
I don't know. Let's use a realistic number. Two million dollars. Your six million, which is only one fifth of the total debt.
This is all this is all leaked out there. Of your six million, you would get one fifteenth of that.
Whatever that works out to like three hundred K. Oh, I thought they had to go banks first.
So right. Assuming it all went out equally. Yeah. So so some people are going to have more robust contracts.
Yeah. That will entitle them to being paid first. A lot of the time, as far as I know, and I could be totally wrong here, but I think that usually results in.
So the new owners fair and square own the domain, the the the the server infrastructure, whatever it is that they've paid the trustee for.
And there's no debt associated with it. But life is rarely that simple.
And if I was oh, I don't know, let's say Corsair, who is owned a million dollars.
Did I say owned or owed the same thing? Yeah.
It's a Corsair who's owed a million bucks. Do I engage with this brand again?
Would you even if it was under new management, I'd be salty.
And like the thing is, if I was a hardware company, I would look at this going like, OK, last time you guys didn't make it.
You're going into the exact same market with the exact same inventory stuff, with the exact same buildings, the exact same website, with less storefronts, with probably dramatically harmed SEO,
dramatically harmed SEO because everything's going to be about you being bankrupt, site traffic, a huge amount of customers that never receive shipments of possibly our products and then got upset with us potentially because of that.
Like, I wouldn't really want to like I'd be I'd be like, this corpse is in the ground, especially why am I trying to perform CPR?
And especially if you're a GPU company. Yeah. If your company shipping GPUs, you can sell it immediately to anyone.
Why would you? And here's the thing. NCX has been effectively out of business for so long that, you know, it doesn't take a long time for a gap to be filled.
Canada computers came in and opened up stores in NCX's old locations.
Yeah. Memory Express. I don't know if you know this, but I don't know if anyone knows this.
Hold on. One second. But.
OK, good. So, yeah, this is this is a thing that is definitely very public. That's Memory Express's website.
It's everywhere. It's like literally everywhere. But Memex is going to be opening up a new store.
I know that I have gone there to their Langley location like three or four times since NCX closed in Langley.
And how how hurt are you that you have to go somewhere slightly different?
It's ever so slightly more difficult to get to. But it's also sort of on the way to work. So.
The parking is a little annoying. So, yeah, so that's the thing is they've been out of the game for three months.
What incentive is there for anyone to go back? Because you don't.
OK. Memex's website looks like 1998. Did you ever go to NCX's?
Canada computers isn't much better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, at least. OK, I'm going to have to double check this, but at least to my knowledge,
Memory Express doesn't hide the per location inventory the way that NCX started doing over the last few years.
Like, was that or was that not an incredible, so annoying, frustrating experience where it wouldn't actually show you what was in stock?
Yeah. No, it's right here. Like, it's just like, OK, here's how many in this region are in each store.
Online stores, different individuals. And actually, this I don't know how 1998 this is.
No, this is this is not 1998. Like it's like 2008.
OK, hold on a second. Way back machine NCX. Oh, OK.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's just let's just let's just.
Let's let's have a look. Let's let's actually go. OK, we can't go to 1998.
Let's go to 1999. OK, let's go to 1999, my friends.
Here we go. May the 8th, 1999. One snapshot. Hold on.
Oh, no, this this was like, wow, it archived a broken page.
That's that's interesting. That's OK. 2000 looks more promising. Here we go.
OK, that looks that looks more promising. What?
What are you doing? What are you doing? Way back machine. Way back machine is the only way to access NCX now.
Can you believe that? Isn't that crazy? Well, if it if it does. Well, like if it does.
Yeah. OK. Three snapshots. Come on, man.
You know, you can tell this show doesn't have a producer because stuff like this wouldn't have.
There we go. OK, so that.
Wait, what? No, that's not. This is modern. Yeah, this is 20. These are like brand new.
This is 2018, February. OK, well, whatever. OK, well, still, I mean, we can still look at what NCX has looked like at the end.
Jump on there somewhere on there. On here? Yeah. Let's just go right here.
Man, way back is slow. OK, so this is 2004.
This would have been like, wow, this would have been like the prime time of me shopping there as an actual customer.
Remember Celestica? Yeah. Remember Soltek? I definitely remember Soltek.
Remember AMD? Oh, wait, they made it. Oh, they made it. They're back, baby.
Barely. What else we got? OCZ. Remember OCZ memory? I think I owned one of these. Dang. But OK, maybe not that one. 500 bucks with that BGA video.
BGA suckas. OK, I think I owned one of those, but like years. All right.
Anyway, I forget what we were even talking about. Right.
I wouldn't buy NCX unless the price was basically what I would have paid for the YouTube channel.
The plaque. Now, tell me this. I have had more than one person pitch me internally that if we were to buy the NCX brand.
So first one thing. Do you think suppliers would take the NCX brand seriously if it was me running it?
Actually, yeah. And if we were to buy it.
Should we become a system integrator?
I wonder what Twitch chat thinks of this. I think you'd have to do it really well. Well, the idea would be that, like, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to go crazy.
Like my perfect system builder would probably be closer to Puget than to like main gear. I expected that.
By really well, I didn't mean like hard like water cooling. I meant like very low amounts of issues. Yes.
Like robustness would have to be like way up there, which Puget. Yeah, they've got that. They test after their testing, which is crazy.
But like just because of the public facing this of this attachment company, you'd have to.
Yeah, you'd have to be quite careful. Yeah, it would it would it would be it would be one of those things where, you know,
every customer service issue has the potential to go viral, you know,
and and and my biggest issue actually is just that there's the potential for people to perceive our hardware choices in the NCIX PC division as being influenced or or influencing the media side of it.
So I think there's a reason that nobody's ever really crossed those lines, except me.
Yeah. I was already doing this. And it's hilarious because you see so many people harkening for the good old days when Linus wasn't biased because he worked at a computer store that was trying to sell you stuff.
And I'm kind of sitting here going, oh, man, like like it's not it's not biased, but you could certainly find an ulterior motive in there if you dug deep enough.
LCIX?
LCIX, no.
Linus computer.
Ink.
Ink.
Extreme.
X.
X because X factor.
Yeah, so I don't know, man, I'm hoping to hear back today about just sort of like the update, but my my name's out of the hat.
I'm I'm not going to be able to I'm not going to be able to get my hands on the channel.
I had really hoped to.
The chat is chanting LCIX.
LCIX, yes.
Lordy.
Yes.
Looks like it does look like licks.
Our computers don't just suck, they lick.
Hard.
That might go OK.
That might go OK.
Go back to like mid 90s advertising.
Like just our branding just being completely ridiculous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, OK, as far as I can tell, the only way system integrators make any money is through MDF programs with brands like Intel and Nvidia.
Nvidia, probably. I don't think Intel would give us any money to talk about our computers lick hard.
That might be a little bit of a problem.
Intel's a little on the conservative side when it comes to brand messaging.
Yeah.
To be clear, people freak out.
We're not talking anything about politics at all.
We're just talking about speaking of how we actually intend to continue running our business and making money.
Yeah.
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No, we'll get into that.
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I haven't tried the sriracha teriyaki in a little while.
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You want to give me the crazy one?
They've got 13. Yeah, you want to do it today? Sure, man.
A bunch of people in chat said to eat the hot one and I was like, all right.
All right. I'll do it. I'll take one for the team.
Wow, I don't think they actually sent us much hot stuff this time around.
Oh yeah, never mind. There's the reaper. Done.
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I haven't had that one in a while. I actually forgot about that one.
That's pretty good too.
This isn't going to go well.
Just waiting for another 10 hours and we'll see how it's going.
I actually do fine in that department.
I've never had that result that you're talking about.
Eat four or five pieces. No, I'm good.
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How you doing over there, bud?
I'm all right. I'm okay.
Oh, LTX.
You're going to be at LTX, right?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
LTX is going to be back this summer.
I'm actually super stoked.
It was really fun last time and we're cranking it up.
We're cranking it like way up to 11.
It's going to be in a much bigger venue.
I'm going to go ahead and throw the link in the Twitch chat here.
Guys, check it out.
I'll be at LTX if I don't die right now.
Yeah.
So we're going to be at the Richmond Olympic Oval.
It's going to be huge.
It's a meetup slash tech convention.
The idea is to keep the focus on experiences.
So we want you guys to get hands-on with cool tech through fun games and tutorials
and there's going to be a larger focus on PC gaming this year.
Take a start at 35 Canadian Rubles and you can check them out at ltxexpo.com.
Hopefully we'll see a lot of people there.
Like last year, it actually went surprisingly well for our first attempt.
That's an actual picture from last year.
Yeah.
We framed it really cleverly so you can't see all the empty chairs up here.
But that was fine because we never intended to have people up there anyway.
Yeah.
No one wants to sit in the stands.
Yeah.
They want to rush the stands, try to touch your hands.
Like some Screamin' Usher fans.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Floatplane.
We'll get to that later.
I got to do my thing.
Should I do that later or now?
Oh, yes.
Oh, right.
Floatplane News.
Okay.
Why don't you talk Floatplane News while I show off the site that totally works.
Most of the time.
Full of videos that people, well.
The vast majority of the time, actually.
Yeah.
So check this out.
So just recently, this got working.
So you can click up here.
Got working.
No.
Magically.
Magically.
Yeah.
So you can click up here and you can see all the videos in order from all the channels
you subscribe to, like Bitwit Ultra and Linus Tech Tips, who are currently the only creators
on the platform.
Credit card payments work.
Yeah.
PayPal is still pending some stuff with our payment processor, Braintree.
But we are hoping to be able to accept both through the platform.
We have had no actual issues with credit card payments yet.
Really?
No actual issues.
There's a lot of placeholders and stuff still.
Load of them.
This image is not that great.
No.
But I can show you guys the videos that are up there.
We've got fast as possible on Intel's CPU letters, like X, K, U, T, Y, all those letters
that come at the end of the names.
Max builds her first PC together with me.
Much hilarity ensues.
Are you getting her to do most of it?
Oh, yeah.
Nice.
Oh, yeah.
She does the vast majority of it.
I barely touch it.
Cool.
Nice.
We've got a float plane exclusive testing the Nvidia Shield from the NCIX auction.
This case is unbelievable.
Like actually amazing.
It's like this build is gorgeous.
Hey, that was 20p.
Good job.
Yay.
It didn't do what it did last week.
Yeah.
No, I know.
Scanning is still slightly slower?
Well, no.
I think it was actually our connection here.
That would make sense.
Because Johnny came in earlier this week and kind of reset everything, updated all the
firmware, and I haven't been having buffering issues on float plane or YouTube this week.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So this is a gorgeous video.
It's worth a watch.
Let's go ahead and go back.
Usually I'd hope I'd be over it by now.
It's still going.
Not an act.
This one went up on YouTube today.
This one went up already.
This is a fast as possible.
You can't really tell because the thumbnail is footage from the LTT video.
Anyway, don't worry about it.
Gaming on the iMac Pro.
How bad can it be?
You can update these.
No, I know you can.
I just haven't done it.
Okay.
Okay.
Super ultra wide monitor.
Danker dumb.
I think we all know the answer.
Actually, I think everyone, the funny thing about that is it's very polarizing.
I think everybody knows their own answer and it's not the same answer as other people.
It's just drastic.
I've had people talk to me about how that is the most amazing thing of all time.
Me too.
And they can't believe nobody ever thought of that.
Like it's crazy.
Um, so sorry.
What was your news?
Uh, I'm a full planes hiring.
Are we?
Yeah.
Um, I've lightly mentioned it to you earlier, uh, looking for someone with like node angular
sales waterline kind of experience in that realm.
Um, yeah, hit me up.
I don't have a specific like link for you to go to right now.
You can tweet me.
There will be a link.
You have a specific budget in mind.
We can talk about it offline.
I do actually, but yeah.
All right.
So this will bring the team up to how many then?
That'll be five.
Six, five.
Well, it depends on how you six with me, seven with you, eight with Yvonne, nine with don't
know.
Name is public.
Yeah.
No, let's, let's not count me and Yvonne then we're counting you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it would be six.
So it'd be six.
It's crazy how many people thought that we were just going to be like doing this with
one person and Luke when you did your initial call.
Okay.
Yes.
It was never the plan though.
Yeah.
And, and well that initial call video we were, we already had one person, so we were going
up from there.
But yeah, we're doing, we're doing pretty well right now.
We're pushing forward right now though, we're, we're in a situation where we're doing a lot
of reacting.
So I want to increase the team size a little bit so we can push forward cause we're, we're
reacting to some bugs, we're fixing some things, we're doing some user suggestions and stuff,
but I want to keep pushing forward at the mainline stuff.
We've got a really good roadmap.
We just need to make sure we don't fall into that trap where we've got a great roadmap
that we never end up working on.
And we, we do keep feature creeping, basically everything feature creeps and our stuff is
feature creeping as well.
But yeah.
Cool.
Oh yeah.
Being from Canada or being from the States with a related degree is quite important because
I want to move you here.
Yeah.
So remote work?
No.
Remote work for three months?
Yes.
Yes.
While you're on probation, cool.
Once you're off probation, no, come here.
Get on a plane.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
Why don't we talk about some actual news that's in the actual doc.
This was posted by master disaster on the forum and the original article here is from
tech crunch flippy the robot hamburger chef goes to work.
So this is one year after announcing a partnership with Cala burger and meso robotics is resident
chef graduated to graduated hamburger university and started flipping burgers in an actual
restaurant.
So this is an AI enabled burger flipping robot arm thing.
It uses thermal imaging and image recognition to tell which burgers need flipping.
It can handle 12 burgers at a time and it's not a hundred percent independent.
The worker has to bring in patties and take the cooked ones away, apply cheese, assemble
sandwiches.
Actually, it doesn't sound that that great, but the idea was that for your $60,000 per
flippy each and your 20% annual recurring maintenance fee, so 12 grand a year, you would
get more functionality down the road, like the ability to chop, deep fry grill or add
seasoning and cheese to patties.
What drives me nuts is how can it not refill the patty selection?
Like what, like even, even if, even if workers had to bring like stacks of patties separated
by paper, whatever, whatever, I don't know.
And just like load it into a thing.
Yeah.
You'd think they'd have a burger hopper.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
So it was designed to make up for the cost with decreased wait times, better consistency,
increased food waste, and then obviously, eventually a reduction in staff.
But wait, there's more.
The original article from bbc.com.
Burger flipping robot taken offline after one day on the job.
Yes.
The burger flipping robot lasted exactly as long as that stoner guy that I hired when
I was running my painting business.
Oh, I thought you meant, all right.
One day, no, this guy was hilarious.
So was the other one that I'm talking about, but yes.
This one was more hilarious.
Okay.
Get this.
Okay.
So one of the most time consuming aspects of painting is ladder movements.
Okay.
Good.
Getting up and down the ladder, moving the ladder, getting your bucket and your paint
back together and getting up.
Okay.
That's one of the things that takes most amount of time.
So when I see someone instead of putting, so instead of putting a ladder close to the
wall and using your whole wingspan, both hands, when I see someone putting a ladder four feet
away from the wall, leaning in like this painting with one hand, like pushing themselves back
out onto the ladder.
Like I was just, this is one of those, like, I don't know the proper name for it, but like
you're not leaning the ladder against the step stool.
Yeah.
He was just leaning himself against the house for like no apparent reason.
My crew chief wanted to kind of try and make it work.
She was really, she's a good person.
I'm horribly bad at painting and that sounds really dumb.
But I was actually, and like we were desperate, like this was back in, I don't know, 2006.
Yeah, probably around 2006.
Yeah, it was probably 2006 when like the economy was really good.
The 2008 crash hadn't really happened yet.
Like it was, this was a time, this was a period of time where getting, walking into a subway,
you might only hope to have your burger made correctly because people were like desperate.
They were hiring just like anyone, no matter how qualified they were for anything.
And it was really hard to find people, but I was just like, no, we can't do this.
So right, Flippy.
Flippy was supposed to be able to cook 2000 burgers a day.
But after one day, Flippy was taken offline to be upgraded to work faster.
Left with a little sign saying he'd be cooking soon.
The employees that work with him are also being trained to help Flippy work faster.
It's likely that this is due to the increased volume at the store due to the news of Flippy
being deployed.
So it's not like this is all bad news.
2000 a day sounds like a lot, but when you break it down.
It's really actually not that much.
It's not that crazy.
And you see in the video, like his flipping thing is very hit, hit, hit, hit, hit.
Like it's slow.
The weird thing about it is like, you know, what about, what's that robot called?
The four legged one that you can like kick and it doesn't fall over?
Yeah, I don't know, but it's Boston Dynamics.
Yeah, like that thing's been around for six years.
This does not seem very sophisticated or good.
Why does it cost $60,000?
I'm not this, there's, I'm sure they're not mass making them.
That's why.
This one's nuts.
It's crazy.
Is it new?
Yeah.
Oh wow.
Boston Dynamics has a new robot.
That's like kind of news, right?
It's been news for a while.
We're kind of late.
It can open a door and you can like screw with it while it tries to open the door and
it'll correct and it'll brace and it does all these other things.
Why is it lagging?
I don't know.
So it'll like bring that arm thingy out.
I don't know where the arm actually comes from.
Oh, there's the one with the arm.
Right.
This one has to let the other one through the door.
These guys are creepy.
Like this is scary stuff.
This is like straight out of portal.
And then he like braces the door on his leg, gets the arm around the door and then pulls
it open, lets the other one through.
And then I think what we're going to see after this is when they try to interfere because
Boston Dynamics is all about that.
Oh no.
Okay.
Is this one testing robustness?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's fine.
I mean, that's like, anyway, the point I was trying to make is like, I don't really understand
why Flippy...
There's crazy robots out there.
This feels like a really advanced like project that someone on YouTube made.
I don't know.
I'm sure it's more complicated than that.
I'm sure the thermal sensing stuff is actually quite complicated.
Right.
Like the, like the robot vision that they've programmed into this is probably pretty cool.
And there's probably some pretty, like, some pretty onerous sort of safety, health and
safety certifications that they probably had to go through.
That sounds expensive.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
Well, at any rate, why don't we move on to the next topic?
So El, you're right.
So humans, your jobs are not safe, except for now they are because Flippy is not that
great.
We'll make a good Flippy.
This is pretty crazy.
So this was posted by Master Disaster on the forum, but, and the original post, the original
article is, is this like from our forum?
Looks like one of the users of our forum blanked out their personal information and said basically
dear taxpayer, Newegg has provided the department of revenue services records of your online
purchases.
They put a dash in online because apparently they still live in 2002.
Super old.
Uh, during taxable years, 2014, 2015 and 2016, according to these records, you made purchases
in at least one of these years, but were not charged Connecticut sales tax.
Therefore you owe tax on the items.
Tax interest penalty, total amount due $103.10.
Now this is based on only spending about a thousand bucks.
So anyone who was a heavy buyer or like maybe was the, the coordination point for group
buys for their friends, for example, or like regularly bought systems and built them for
other people.
If they didn't go and pour through the Connecticut tax code to determine that Newegg should have
been paying them tax or should have been submitting, uh, charging them tax and then submitting
it to the state of Connecticut, they could be on the hook for thousands and thousands
of dollars.
The American online tax law is basically as far as I know, actually the worst out of anyone.
It's pretty broken.
And like the average person, I don't think the average person should be blamed for not
being aware of this stuff.
Like on the one hand, yes, officially according to tax laws here in Canada too, you should
pay tax even if you weren't charged tax on the transaction.
For example, if I were to buy something on Craigslist or if I was sorry, if I were to
sell something on Craigslist, I'm supposed to pay income tax on the money that I made.
And if I was to sell something on Craigslist, I am supposed to, I think over a certain amount.
So if I was doing it regularly, I'm supposed to collect provincial and general sales tax
and submit it to the appropriate governing bodies on behalf of the buyer.
But like going all the way back to 2014 to 2016, and then just sending letters to everyone,
wow.
No subpoena or warrant was involved.
The DRS just sent Newegg a letter.
They complied, which I mean, yeah.
Would they have a legal justification to not, yeah, I mean, I guess that's people's personal
information, right?
Like that's pretty BS.
Yeah.
Well, how would they be able to mail the mail them with their personal information?
Yeah.
So name, address.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So apparently the DRS submitted the names and addresses and asked Newegg for the amounts.
So, okay.
I can see Newegg supplying that, but I don't know, man.
Like this is one of those things where this is not the consumer's fault.
NH massacre said, I'm screwed.
I spent over 13 K on Newegg.
Are you from Connecticut?
I think you have to, I think this only applies to people in Connecticut.
This only applies to Connecticut for now, but this is a can of worms.
Yeah.
Because even here in Canada, the way that the taxation has worked for online purchases
has been a little bit complicated at times.
And as far as I know, nothing was ever done retroactively.
And as far as I know, when the laws changed back in 2008, 2009, somewhere around there,
when they introduced harmonized sales tax, the onus was on the retailer to deal with
it.
And we were the ones who were in trouble.
And that seems a lot more fair to me than putting it on individual Joe average in Connecticut.
I completely agree.
Crap was I going to say right.
So a lot of tax law was made before it was reasonable to buy something in one area when
you are in another area.
And then when that started becoming more popular, it was mostly like calling in to order stuff.
And that was such low volume that nobody cared.
And even once you started buying things on the internet, most people were pretty skeptical
about buying things on the internet and there wasn't a lot of that going on.
And then Amazon blows up and all these other sites blow up.
And now a lot of people are doing a pretty hefty portion, possibly most of their shopping
on the internet.
Now it's a big deal.
Because I mean, remember, it's not like we're in a situation where the individual states
are just like flush with cash.
So if they can find a way to get, you know, anywhere between a couple of percent and a
couple more than that percent of every transaction that takes place online for items coming into
their state.
I mean, if you think about it, those items don't get to the door without a truck driving
on a road that theoretically the state maintains, like...
Someone said, Luke, use tax covers out of state purchases.
I'm assuming they mean US tax.
Not really.
This is...
Use tax.
No, he said U.S.E.
Oh yeah, exactly.
Use tax.
Like this.
Either way, it doesn't.
Not in all cases.
And there's really weird situations where, like, if you're talking about digital stuff,
if the company you're buying something from has a server in your state, that's Nexus.
So they have a location there, which changes how it all works.
It's very complicated.
And it varies depending on whether it's a digital goods or service or a physical item.
Yeah.
And it varies per state, per county in some places.
Like it's...
It's actually ridiculous.
US tax is extremely complicated.
All right, speaking of things that are extremely complicated, my feelings about this latest
bit of news.
The original article here...
We're still talking about use tax.
It doesn't matter.
There's other things that apply.
Sorry that I got that part wrong.
There is still other stuff that applies.
McAfee acquires VPN company, which I actually didn't realize was Canadian, was TunnelBear.
Terms of the deal have not been disclosed.
McAfee says it plans to integrate TunnelBear's technologies into their own VPN products that
I've never heard of until now, SafeConnect.
Apparently, TunnelBear will also continue to work on its own products under its own
brand.
According to the report, TunnelBear is a profitable company, so presumably McAfee paid a pretty
penny for it.
Just a little bit of history.
McAfee was acquired by Intel in 2011.
I think it's McAfee.
McAfee?
Whatever.
I don't know.
Intel rebranded it to Intel Security, and then it was later split into a new company
with the old McAfee, McAfee, whatever name, in partnership with private equity firm TPG.
So this is their second acquisition since becoming a separate company again.
So here's where we're at on this.
As you guys probably know, TunnelBear has been a long time supporter of the show.
So we've reached out to them for comment.
I don't think we've heard back yet.
I'm actually not sure if we've heard back yet.
But we would love to hear from our community what they think of this news.
So one key change is now that TunnelBear is owned by an American interest, they will have
to comply with some American laws, as far as I know.
So that's one difference that there might be to the service and their way of operating.
I'm going to chime in slightly here.
Canada has a lot of crazy privacy laws too.
The US privacy laws are more well documented.
But if you want to have some fun, Google Spy Palace, it'll bring up some Canadian stuff.
Interesting articles.
So yeah.
And Five Eyes.
So that was some interesting news.
In other interesting news, this was posted by Sonari on the forum.
The original article is from Overclock.net.
Modders have apparently gotten Coffee Lake working on 100 and 200 series chipsets.
So far, the Core i3-8100 has been tested working completely on a 100 series board.
Well, apparently multiple 100 series boards.
And what else do we have here?
So Littleheel contributed in adding the Coffee Lake CPU microcode and suggestions of using
correct ME version to boot the CPU.
Rootuser123 fixed iGPU by extracting Coffee Lake iGPU VBIOS on the latest GOP driver from
Sonix and updating the VBIOS and GOP driver.
Wow.
Contributed to Sankey, contributed in booting 6-core CPU on MSI Z270 motherboard and giving
lots of assistance in solving problems.
LSW contributed in testing and writing guides.
Modvax solved the issue with the PCIe 16x not working and CPU voltage readout fixes
when using Coffee Lake CPUs.
Very, very interesting.
Nice eBay GPU ads you got going on there.
Because of higher power limits, this is a quote here, I would not suggest this mod with
i5 and i7 K-series CPUs.
So this comes back to, I'm not talking to you Siri, go away.
So this comes back to the speculation that took place when Intel said they would not
be supporting Coffee Lake on 100 and 200 series, but I'm going to go through Jake's notes here
first as a courtesy.
Oh actually that was the first thing in his notes, good job Jake.
So here's what they said.
It might have worked for the most part, but it didn't work well enough or reliably enough
for Intel to allow this compatibility to make it to the market.
So they software and BIOS locked off the compatibility.
Most of this was due to Coffee Lake's different power setup.
It was not necessarily that the board didn't have enough power delivery, but the board's
power delivery is distributed over more pins to better support Coffee Lake's 6-core chips
like the 8700K.
So WCCF Tech reported that ground pins went from 377 to 391, and power pins went from
128 to 146.
Something a lot of people don't know is that on particularly a brand new CPU, like I found
a really good, I forget why I was looking at this, but i7-920 pin map, cool.
This blog, re-engine blog, check this out.
I forget why I was looking at this, but this is a map posted on re-engine.org where this
guy or gal mapped out what all of the different pins are and then color coded them.
So you can see here all this green stuff is memory controller, all this blue stuff is
QPI data, all the grey stuff, so like 70, 80% of what's in here, a bunch of this in
here, here, probably a good 50% of what's in here, all that grey stuff is reserved pins.
And those reserved pins might be for different SKUs that have more hardware in them.
For example, this is a Bloomfield, and so it was architecturally very similar to the
contemporary Xeons.
So those Xeons would have had an additional QPI link that would have taken up probably,
let's go back here, probably all the grey ones here.
That would have been the other QPI link for the other CPU that would have been needed.
But there's still all this other stuff, and a lot of the time those reserved pins are
just in case Intel decides to do like a new CPU with, oh I don't know, maybe more cores
for example.
They can use those for something.
So this is just an example of them utilizing reserved pins in order to add more power.
So going back to our notes here, the modders say that the pinout doesn't matter because
they're just left disconnected, because those pins are reserved on Kaby Lake, except for
two, which you can just cover with tape.
So the extra pins offer about 8% greater impedance.
So theoretically, lower power chips like the i3-8100 are fine, but you may have issues
with overclockable, higher core count, or higher TDB chips.
There's a screenshot here of an 8700K working, so you can check this out, on a presumably
MSI board, but no actual evidence of it running correctly or stably.
So there you go, it's exactly what, I don't know if Intel ever publicly said that that
was it, but that's what we understood.
It's exactly what we knew it was.
It's not that it can't work, it's that it can't work well enough, so...
Unless you try super, super hard and use an i3-8100, which is probably not worth the work.
So that's where we're at on that.
Yeah.
What else we got here?
There's the PUBG thing.
Alright, you want to talk about the Fortnite thing?
There's not a lot to say here, but I think it's kind of interesting.
PUBG has been rocking for a long time, and a lot of people in the community, including
myself, are pretty unsatisfied with how they've been kind of doing a lot of stuff.
Tell us, for the uninitiated, why?
Their servers are super garbage, their downtimes that they choose for maintenance, even when
they schedule it ahead of time, is in like prime time for North America, which is pretty
rough and they do all the servers.
There's a huge amount of hacking, and that's not being dealt with to a satisfactory level,
including hacks like something called ESP, which is like, do you remember the Pokemon
Go cheating stuff, where people would get a website and it would show where all the
Pokemon are?
You can get that, except for PUBG.
So it shows you where everyone on the map is, and you can get it running on an external
computer, so you don't even need to have it on your computer, so there's no way to detect
it, because you can just VPN the other device, they'd have no idea it's going to your network.
So even if they did find a way to track it somehow, which I don't think they could, then
you can just VPN and there's no way for them to check it anyways, because it would just
be a different computer.
So basically it has like fundamental flaws.
It's a huge, there's a lot of issues.
There's things that piss a lot of people off.
They took all this money that they got for having a successful game, and instead of what
a lot of people think needed to happen is throwing all of that towards development of
the main game, they developed like a mobile game, and then they did this huge push to
get it onto Xbox, and like all this kind of stuff, instead of developing the core thing.
They had version 1.0 released, which was, as far as I can tell, a giant publicity stunt
because it was garbage, there was still huge amounts of issues in the game.
It's been really frustrating.
You drop in, you have to parachute in, I know you haven't really played, I don't know how
much you know about it.
You have to parachute in, and sometimes you have to stand there for a little while and
wait for things to actually spawn, like loot.
Sometimes it's there, who knows, it might not work.
You try to parachute into the ground, it might not let you out of the parachute.
Then when it does, it might just kill you, or do a whole bunch of damage, because it's
like, oh you fell, it's like, wouldn't have fallen if the game worked, thanks.
There's huge rubber banding issues for a huge amount of time, there's massive performance
issues, there's still some performance issues but not as much as there was before.
Tell me how you really feel about it.
Meanwhile, and I'm not as into the gameplay because I don't like the building aspects
and stuff, but Fortnite released their battle royale mode after PUBG, running on the same
engine because they made it.
And it's what a lot of people classify as a better overall experience.
I'm not as into the gameplay because I don't like the building aspects, you have to actively
build walls and do all this weird stuff.
And some of the fights are just ridiculous to watch, because you just watch people like
rapidly build walls and stairs and stuff, like super super super super super super fast,
and they're like, do one shot, okay it's over, because you like somehow got an angle on them
while they were rapidly building this thing too.
I'm not super into the gameplay, but I'm kind of happy that it's beating out PUBG, because
I want them to smarten the heck up, because I would rather play that game.
It's just really frustrating sometimes.
Anyways, I don't know how much the Twitch chat actually agrees with me, we should do
a poll.
What do you like more, PUBG or Fortnite?
I'm on it.
I like playing PUBG more, but I get very angry when I'll rubber band around a wall, or I'll
be like clearly behind something and die, and it's not, the other dude isn't hacking
or anything, it's just huge latency issues.
The tick rate on the servers is garbage, I don't remember what it is now, but it was
like 11 to 17 before.
Really?
Like it's really bad.
Why?
This is something, you know, maybe you can explain this to me from a technical standpoint.
Why run a crappy tick rate?
When everyone knows what would be better.
Okay, so in like October, they were saying 17 hertz tick rate.
Really?
Yeah.
How can you even play a competitive game like that?
Yeah, like there's issues with the game, and yeah, a lot of it's just ignored.
More people are voting for Fortnite right now, it's really close to be fair.
Wow, these votes are coming in really fast.
And a lot of people are voting.
Like compared to most polls we run?
Yeah.
This is crazy, but then you think about it, we're streaming on Twitch, most of the time
we're not doing gaming polls.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's close, which I'm not surprised by.
Right.
But then Fortnite is edging out PUBG, which shouldn't be surprising.
Exactly.
And I prefer the gameplay style of PUBG and all this kind of stuff, there's just so many
frustrating things.
Anyways.
Wish I had time to play games.
I legitimately do.
So, in other news, game over for drones.
That's bad.
A drone crashed in Arizona National Forest, starting a wildfire, 200 acres, 200 acres
that burned 300 acres, over 300 acres with 30 firefighters able to contain it within
the day.
That's how much it burned in a day, and it's unclear what kind of drone it was, but it
caught fire when it crashed, setting fire to a grassland area called Kendrick Park.
The pilot was identified and charged with starting a forest fire.
Lawmakers are pushing to criminalize drone flying in wildfire areas.
So basically you're not going to be able to fly a drone near a person, near an animal,
near a vehicle, near a wildfire area, which is like, what isn't.
A spokesperson for the forest said it is legal to fly a drone in the forest as long as it
doesn't take off in a wilderness area, and as long as there are no nearby wildfires.
So I don't know how you're going to turn this into a criminal charge against the guy.
Or wait, no, okay, yeah, you can be, yeah, okay, so I get, is it negligence?
I guess so?
Because I think, I feel like you'd have to have precautions along the route.
So if nothing else, you'd have to have like people out along the route.
Because I bet you film crews would still be able to get away with it.
Interesting.
Because they could have like crew around just in case the drone fell, you know?
So here's another good one.
Goodbye drones, goodbye porn.
Rhode Island is proposing a bill requiring internet service providers to block sexual
content.
And not necessarily for the reason you might think, because you would probably go, it's
probably a think of the children.
But what they really want is to get $20 from you, one time, so one time fee, $20 from you
to be able to access pornography, which will give money to the state to help fund the operation
of the Council on Human Trafficking.
You have to send in a request in writing that you want it disabled.
You have to present your ID to verify that you're older than 18, and you have to acknowledge
receiving written warning regarding the danger associated with deactivating the filter.
Wow.
Yeah.
So that's interesting.
With current wording, it seems like the filters for illegal things like child porn would also
be deactivated if you paid the fee.
What?
How does that help the problem that they're doing?
Okay.
Completely regardless of the moral issues of blocking anything on the internet to any
degree, whatever, whatever, whatever, completely ignore all of that kind of stuff for now.
Just look at the stance they're trying to make and the result that they're setting up.
They don't line up.
That's completely what I'm confused about right now.
What?
That's so weird.
But they would have a registry of all the people who are unlocked.
Yeah.
Unzipped.
Which is just...
But that's just awkward.
And it sounds like you have to maybe do it in person, because it has to be in writing.
You have to acknowledge that you've seen this form saying that you're a bad person, essentially.
And you have to present your ID.
It says present ID, not like...
So my understanding is that human trafficking and effectively slavery is actually a huge
problem in the porn industry.
I don't do a ton of research on it, but apparently people can end up...
Not so much in North America, I don't think, but people can end up signing contracts without
fully understanding them that basically turn them into sex slaves.
That sounds less likely in North America.
And so I can understand the need to investigate where this internet porn is coming from, the
impact it's having, and if there are illegal activities going on that are driving it.
But I don't think that an internet censorship bill makes a ton of sense as the way to go
about that.
It seems sort of like a broader...
Once again, another topic that I'm really just not sure what to say about.
I just don't understand.
Is this the worst thought out thing ever?
That's the only conclusion I'm really coming to.
Regardless of your stance on it, whether you're for it or against it, their approach is super
confusing.
I saw people correcting me, saying that bringing people into North America to act as slaves
is still pretty common.
Yeah, it's a little bit different though.
So in North America, the way that typically, this is my understanding, the way that the
human trafficking game typically works is that you're relying on their very poor language
skills and the fact that they don't understand the laws of the country in order to get themselves
out of it.
But that's not really what I was talking about.
I was talking about situations where actually through legal contracts, you're creating situations
where people aren't effectively being sexually assaulted at work every day, but they're contractually
obligated to continue to do it.
So yeah, okay.
So thanks for watching guys.
This has been an interesting WAN show.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye bye.
I heard, I heard that that was one of the White House's top priorities, stopping the
sexual harassment.