And welcome to the WAN show ladies and gentlemen.
We're a little bit late,
but at least we got the video done, right?
Nope.
No, we didn't.
We didn't.
Actually, it was all for nothing, really frustrated.
But the least that we can do is give you guys an update
on what exactly it was that had us so gosh darn busy.
We're finally doing it.
Alex has been chasing me to make this video
pretty much since he started.
We are doing a thermoelectric cooled computer,
but instead of doing it kind of the,
like the janky way.
Well, to be clear, it's still janky, but.
It's probably the jankiest thing we've ever made.
But what it isn't is the stupid way of doing it.
True, yeah.
So it's janky, but it's like the right way,
but also it.
It's the right way to do it from a Peltier perspective.
But we have this box that's filled with electronics
that's going to have, it has AC power
and 600 watts going through it, and it's so sketchy.
Yeah, it's pretty sketchy.
So we've got a great show for you guys today.
Of course, the big headline is Apple allowing third parties
to repair iPhones, so we'll get into that.
We also wanna talk about some serious nerd drama
that's going on with Global Foundries
issuing a lawsuit against TSMC.
So these two chip fabs are going toe to toe.
And finally, AMD apparently agreed to pay out $35 per chip
over their FX series marketing lawsuit.
That is actually a pretty intro,
actually all three of these have a ton of meat.
So let's go ahead and get dug into them
after we remember for a change to roll that intro.
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All right, so it has been a pretty busy week.
The first thing I saw on the chat there
was people were like, where's Anthony?
And you know what, that's pretty rude.
I haven't been on WAN Show in a couple of weeks
and if we just had Alex and Anthony doing it,
then I'd feel pretty left out.
No, they meant instead of you.
But actually, Anthony is really busy.
So Alex and Anthony have both been working on
really, really cool projects this week.
So Alex has been doing the Peltier one
that we just talked about.
So it's like a 545 watt Peltier,
strapped directly to the top of the CPU.
Unfortunately, we didn't quite get that one done,
but at least you got further than Anthony with his.
But his is really cool too.
So this gets talked about sort of every once in a while
and then the new cycle passes and we all ignore it again.
But I don't know if you even realize,
because you don't do our CPU reviews
or really any of our legitimate actual cooler reviews.
You're more like, okay, build the most overkill thing
with 300 to 1,000 watts of cooling capacity
and then whatever we hook up to it,
it'll be cool enough, don't worry about it.
But the way that Intel and AMD report the TDP,
so the thermal design power,
I think it's thermal design power, whatever it is.
Thermal design parameter, can't remember.
The point is the amount of heat
that their chip is going to output,
the way that they calculate TDP is completely different.
So right now with Ryzen third gen and Intel's,
I guess they call it ninth gen,
but I don't know that it is strictly speaking
the ninth gen.
It all depends on how you calculate generations
because we've been on Skylake for a while now,
according to my watch.
Anyway, with their current products on both sides,
the way that AMD handles it is they basically,
do you know all this or am I just talking to them?
No, not really.
Okay, cool.
So the way that AMD handles it
is whatever the maximum amount of heat
that that chip could output,
assuming that it's running full tilt,
that's considered to be the TDP,
under like a reasonable load.
So if I were to take my Ryzen 3700 whatever processor,
and I were to throw an egg on top of it,
I can assume that if that thing is rated at 105 watts,
that I'm getting 105 watts of heat
and it's gonna take however long to cook my egg,
pretty much.
Because it will turbo as high as it possibly can
within its power and its thermal restraints,
or constraints, excuse me.
All right, so on the Intel side of things,
now Intel has an eight core desktop processor,
just like AMD does, the 9900K,
and it's rated at a mere 95 watts.
So given that 95 watt rating,
that thing should be easy to cool, right?
Yeah, sure.
So here's the thing.
Intel allows that chip to spike up to its max turbo,
and then what it expects it to do,
what's within the Intel specification,
is for it to ratchet back down.
So as the power consumption,
and therefore the heat that it is outputting goes up,
and as its temperature climbs,
it's gonna ratchet that down until we meet this point,
that I think it's called P2,
that is the TDP that they rate it for.
So really what it's rated at is its base clock.
So they're using TDP as a guideline
for anyone who's producing a cooler
that will satisfactorily cool it at base clock speeds
without causing thermal throttling,
which is different from not boosting.
Now that's something you have a lot of experience with.
You wanna explain for the people out there,
what is the difference between thermal throttling
and boosting?
Because you see this in laptops all the time, right?
Yeah, a good one to think of is like the Corsair One.
So in that, it's very small,
and although a 9900K can boost to, I don't know,
4.8 or maybe like 4.5 all core or something like that,
it only does like 3.6 if you hit it
for an extended period of time.
Whereas in something like the MSI Trident X,
it hits 4, 4.3-ish for a continued amount of time,
because it's cooler.
Right, so the point to clarify there
is that neither of those products
necessarily thermal throttled.
They just boosted more or less.
And that MSI product is a great example
of a customer of Intel's.
So in this case, it's MSI,
but Asus actually had a big scandal around this a while back
but a customer of Intel's basically designed
the firmware of their motherboard
to operate the chip in a way that Intel
doesn't necessarily intend for it to.
So they intend for it to do it,
but only for short periods of time.
So there was that whole thing.
Do you remember back when I think it was the 8700K?
Was it that one or was it 7700K?
I think it was 8700K.
I think it was 8700K.
When all the review sites
had these completely different multi-threaded numbers
for this chip, because some of them
were using motherboards that used what's called,
Asus calls it multi-core enhancement,
which basically takes that elevated clock
and then just holds it there indefinitely.
And others were behaving the way that Intel calls
for them to behave, which is to boost up to it
and then fall down.
So anyway, back to our discussion of TDPs.
The project that Anthony is working on
involves taking, I believe it's a Ryzen 7 3700X.
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's what he's using.
And then a 9900K, where the Ryzen 7 3700X
is rated at 105 watts TDP.
And the 9900K is rated at 95 watts.
So on paper, you as the,
let's say the uneducated lay person consumer
walking into a store, you look at these two products.
One's got eight cores, the other one's got eight cores.
Right?
Yeah.
One of them is clocked at some clock speed
and then also it turbos to whatever,
because that's written on the box.
The other one is at some clock speed
and it turbos or whatever.
One of them, ooh, you know what?
I don't want that extra 10 watts
on my power bill all the time.
One of them consumes less power and outputs less heat.
My room gets really warm in the summer.
I think I'm gonna go with that one that's 10 watts cooler.
Yeah.
But since it's not an apples to apples comparison
and the chips are behaving completely differently,
we think that the way that that's being presented
doesn't make a ton of sense.
So do you know much about what Anthony's working on?
Yeah, isn't it just like you take a liter or some amount,
I don't know if it's exactly a liter of water
and you just set it on top in a vial
and see how long it takes for it to heat up.
Yeah, basically.
So two thermal probes, just.
Well, we actually don't even need thermal probes
because we're not trying to,
we're not trying to get as granular
as like exactly what is the TDP
because then we'd need like this
thermally isolated environment.
We'd have to make sure we're not losing
any of the CPU's heat through the copper traces
of the motherboard.
Like it's not realistic.
So what we're doing is we're taking an apples to apples
to the greatest extent that we can comparison.
So the same amount of water
and then we're putting a thermal dye inside the water
and we're basically gonna go, all right,
whose dye turns, I think it turns from white to black
or something like that or black to white.
So whose dye changes color first
to see if Intel's lower TDP rating
is actually representative of the behavior of the CPU.
And we're gonna run the Intel one twice.
Once at Intel's specified behavior.
So we're gonna not run multi-core enhancement.
And then one at the way that I think most enthusiasts
immediately flip the switch on their CPU's
in order to get it to run faster.
So I'm really excited about that one
but unfortunately we weren't able to get
all the little details like how do we put
vessels of water on top of our CPU's
without spilling them all over the place securely
while maintaining enough mounting pressure
to have good thermal conductivity, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, minor details.
We've actually got it all sorted out now
but we didn't have enough time to get it shot this morning
which was when I had time to shoot.
So stay tuned for that.
People are asking where is Luke?
Like legitimately where is Luke?
He's down at PAX.
Luke goes to PAX every year with his family
and now that we actually don't cover PAX anymore
he gets to spend it with his family again.
There was a period of about four years there,
five years I think, where Luke was still going to PAX
and he'd like sneak away at night
and hang out with his family and friends
and then be back at work in the morning,
work in the show floor.
And I think that he wasn't always, he wasn't a fan.
I'll say that.
He was not a fan of that arrangement.
I think he's pretty happy that he gets to just legitimately
actually go attend PAX now.
Although he's been pretty critical of it
over the last couple of years
and says that it just hasn't been what it used to be
but that's okay.
LTX is gonna step up.
Well then again at LTX, like what did he accomplish?
I think.
Didn't he try to like walk from one side to the other
to get to something
and just didn't make it past the entrance?
Yeah, I think it was something along those lines.
Okay. He's too nice of a guy.
Oh, I have an Alex specific question from John Y.
Oh, he deleted it.
Oh, it was deleted by Nightbot.
What?
Oh, why was that deleted?
Okay.
John Y wants to know what happened to the Ricer PC.
I would also love to have a status update on the Ricer PC.
Not a whole lot's happened with it.
We've been doing a lot of other things
like the tech coolers and just making videos.
That's about it.
Okay.
Yeah.
We do have some people that are going to make
different parts for us.
I'm just not entirely sure who's making which part.
So singularity computers.
Yeah. I think they offered to do some blocks
and stuff, didn't they?
I'm not totally sure.
Okay.
Well, we'll not like make them do things right now.
Yeah. We won't sign them up.
So yeah, guys, we do still intend to do it.
The good news is we have all the hardware.
So now it's just a matter of in good time,
getting everything measured up, getting blocks produced,
planning out the build.
It is quite a bit more complicated to do like a showcase
level of PC build on something that's running
really old hardware that doesn't have
a ton of support for it anymore.
So give us time.
We will do it.
Yeah. Also the workshop is a workshop now.
There's been like this pretty large period
for the past couple months where we just couldn't
really do projects cause everything was just
in boxes over there.
So what all is actually hooked up over there?
Laser cutter?
No.
Okay.
That's covered in dust and wrap.
Router?
Router's fully operational.
Router's good.
Mill?
We got the tooling order done.
So it's fully operational
minus having everything to cut things.
Drill press?
Drill press is good.
Sander?
It's like not bolted down, but it's okay.
Okay. So basically we're getting there.
Yeah.
Okay.
Lathe tooling arrived in the US.
So we just need to pick it up.
Okay.
Great.
So guys, give us time.
Give us time.
All right.
Speaking of giving time,
let's give you guys the thing that you came for
in a reasonable amount of time.
See, I brought it around.
Apple announces independent repair program.
Link boy on the forum posted this
and the original source of the news
is naturally Apple themselves.
So let's see how Apple puts their spin on this.
Apple offers customers even more options
for safe, reliable repair.
It's funny that they're branding
third-party repair businesses as safe and reliable
when for so long the line was that they weren't.
New independent repair provider program
expands genuine parts access to more repair businesses.
All right.
So let's go through sort of the key points here.
So they announced it's new repair program
offering customers additional options
for the most common out of warranty iPhone repairs.
Apple provide more independent repair businesses
large or small with the same genuine parts,
tools, training, repair manuals, and diagnostics
as it's Apple authorized service providers or AASPs.
This is a quote.
So when a repair is needed,
a customer should have the confidence
that the repair is done right.
We believe the safest and most reliable repair
is one handled by a trained technician
using genuine parts that have been properly engineered
and rigorously tested.
So here's what I wanna know.
Why didn't Apple want the kiosk in the mall
to have decent parts before?
Because it's not like the kiosk in the mall
was ever going to go away.
So at the end of the day, your customer Apple,
your customer was going to go there
and they were going to have either
a really great experience by sheer blind luck
because you guys certainly didn't put any effort
into making that experience any smoother.
So you got lucky if they had a good time
or that customer was gonna have a bad time
and you know whose customer that is?
Yours.
So, I mean,
they get applause.
They just don't get like.
Okay.
They get slow applause for finally,
yeah, I like that.
Give up the golf clap.
Okay, I don't, ah.
See, I fall into this trap sometimes
where when a company finally does the right thing.
You still get mad.
I still get mad because they did the wrong thing
for so long and it's all this like pent up frustration,
but I shouldn't get mad about this.
With that said, okay,
I shouldn't get mad about the good parts of this
because there's still parts of this
that I can get legitimately mad about.
So there's a couple of things here.
The program is only going to allow independent repair shops
to offer out of warranty service for iPhones,
such as display, battery replacements.
There is no mention of in warranty repairs or other devices.
So Mr. Rossman over there is not going to be getting
diagnostic manuals for MacBook Pros anytime soon,
as far as we can tell.
And this is another really important point of clarification.
Apple has not announced along with this program,
any kind of process for general consumers to gain access
to genuine parts to conduct their own repairs.
So.
Yeah, I think it's the out of warranty service
that gets me the most because where this probably means
the most to a lot of people is like out in the boonies
where like buddy knows something about tech,
but doesn't have the right tools.
And so they could just give them the right tools.
Cause like, I don't know if you're living in Labrador,
you're not going to get to the genius store.
Like.
You speak as though you know this from experience.
I don't know if people know where you're from.
Nova Scotia.
Yeah.
Which isn't quite Labrador, but like from our perspective,
it's been.
They only got an Apple store there like pretty recently.
Yeah.
And so it's the sort of thing where like,
you can go to lots of places to get your stuff fixed.
But like, I don't know,
most of the time it's just like a high school kid that
has some spudgers.
So I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
And I'm going to say, I totally get it.
If you're not a fully certified Apple authorized repair
center,
I don't see them offering you a warranty on the thing that
was opened up by some random person.
That is fair.
So I get that side of it,
but I'm still really frustrated that as a consumer,
so like from a, from a just right to repair,
right to repair doesn't mean right for some specific person
to repair.
It means that if I have the know-how and the inclination to
work on upgrade or repair my own devices,
I should have access to the same manuals,
the same tools,
the same diagnostic utilities that anyone else would,
because why not?
They're going to be out there anyway.
Especially now that they're opening up this program.
Like if they imagine for a second that they're just going to
certify a bunch of like random mom and pop shops in the
Philippines.
And these manuals aren't going to be all over torrent sites
everywhere. Like, come on, come on.
Just formalize what's already happening so that we don't
have this like black market of Apple PCB schematics.
Like, no, I'm serious.
Oh yeah. It's that crazy.
Like there's like, honestly speaking,
if you want like a brand new Apple product,
you either have to get stolen blueprints for it.
If you want to figure out like, you know, what every,
what every sense pin is connected to.
Or, I mean, you'd have to, I don't know.
You'd have to rip apart a working device and like x-ray the
thing and try and try and reverse engineer it basically.
Apple's pretty, I mean.
Sounds fun.
Yeah.
So anyway, anyway, anyway, in Apple's defense again,
let's get positive again for a second here.
The certification process is simple and free of charge,
but meeting the requirements,
which is basically that you have to have an Apple certified
technician who can perform the repairs,
does not guarantee acceptance into the program.
And Apple reserves the right to reject any application
without telling you why.
Wait, should we do, should we do something on this?
Should we try to apply to B1?
Yeah, we should have like three or four people just apply
and see how many get in.
I think Anthony used to have his Apple certified crap.
I wonder if we could like get him, get him like,
like get him, what I'm looking for.
Like get his certifications refreshed and try and see if
Linus Media Group Incorporated can become an Apple.
Well, what are, what are they calling it again?
Apple independent authorized service.
No, no, no, we wouldn't become an ASP for sure.
But if we could just be like an iPhone,
an iPhone service, whatever, get like our,
get our iPhone manuals and stuff.
That'd be cool.
We'll just set up shop in like unit 105 or whatever.
People can just pull up.
We do have a pretty legit like rework area.
I know, right?
Not that Apple is letting shops do anything like that.
Anyway, you're basically just doing screen repairs
and battery replacements, but maybe this is part
of the lash back around Apple's whole stupid thing
where they were taking even first party batteries
and giving you like a battery service notification in iOS.
Do you hear about this?
No, I didn't.
Okay, so pretty much a recent change made it
so that if you swap your battery,
even if you take two identical iPhones
and just swap the batteries between them,
so all Apple first party parts,
they would give you a notification in iOS
that says your battery may require servicing
because they're tying the serial number of the phone
to like a serial number in the battery.
So they're doing that so that it's easy to tell
if a phone was not battery swapped
by an Apple authorized party
because Apple authorized parties are able
to reprogram the chip on the battery
so that it'll match the phone so you won't get that error.
So they got a ton of backlash for it
because it's like, yo guys,
for serious business at this point,
what are you even doing?
Like it's bad enough you make it so hard
to swap the battery.
Now I've gone, I've done all that work,
the stupid error, come on.
So it looks like they're just expanding the network
of people who can do it legitimately
so that people who repair things themselves
still have to deal with this crap.
Anyway, so this follows Apple's recent expansion
of its authorized service network
into every Best Buy store in the US,
which actually tripled the number of US ASP locations
compared to three years ago, which is great,
but the US really isn't the biggest problem.
It's other places like Labradoodle or wherever you're from.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, look, look, look.
I'm not gonna be one of those elitist Torontonians
or whatever they call themselves.
I'm aware that there are other parts of Canada, okay?
I just don't care.
Sorry, we have this, okay,
for those of you who are not Canadian,
we have this like inferiority complex
over on the Western side of the country
because we like were settled later,
like we didn't even get a railroad until,
I don't know, 80 years ago or something like that.
I'm kidding, it was longer ago than that,
but it doesn't matter.
The point is we have like this inferiority complex
because our government and the vast majority
of our population are all thousands of kilometers away
and sometimes the decisions that they make
for the direction of the company, the country,
don't really have a lot to do
with the concerns of people over here.
So we just feel kind of ignored.
It's like, oh, what's Canada's baseball team?
Toronto, whatever they're called, it's a bird or something.
What's Canada's basketball team?
I don't know, some other bird.
Oh, it's like-
I know, I know, it's a dinosaur raptor, not a bird raptor.
But the Blue Jays aren't a dinosaur.
Yes, it is.
It isn't, shut up.
Yes, it is.
I've had enough of your crap.
Well, birds are dinosaurs.
Okay, you can make that argument,
but that's a different podcast.
You go talk about that on some other podcast.
How do we get on this?
All right, the point was that the US is not the main concern.
Most people in the US compared to rural parts of, you know,
Russia or something have relatively easy access to an AASP.
And I'm not saying it's perfect everywhere.
I'm just saying that right now the program
is only launched in the US
but with plans to expand to other countries.
So it's clearly not a complete solution,
but it is a step in the right direction.
I just always question Apple's motives
when they do stuff like this.
Is it a step in the right direction
as part of a greater movement
towards a more consumer focused attitude?
Or is it a step in the right direction
to appease people and make them shut up
while they continue to march
in completely the opposite direction
as a more general rule for their business behind the scenes?
Which one do you think?
Are they getting more consumer friendly?
Yes.
But are they doing it out of the goodness of their hearts?
Probably both.
You think so?
Wow.
Like it's not like entirely
out of the goodness of their hearts, but you know,
it's the kind of thing where it's a bit of both.
What are people saying?
John Wick says, Quebec feels ignored.
Don't complain, dude.
Quebec does not get ignored.
Quebec complains so loudly
that like we can't be heard over their noise.
And I'm not saying Quebec doesn't have legitimate grievances.
I'm just saying that to say that Quebec gets ignored
is a very Quebecois thing to say.
What can I do for you, Nick?
Did you talk about the new shirt?
We're still talking about Apple, so.
I actually have not talked about the new shirt.
I can talk about the new shirt.
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I think we'd sold a handful of T-shirts
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I guess it helps that we actually launched an item
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Like Stealth hoodie we launched in the middle of summer.
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Woo.
Whereas Swacket's like right in time for the fall.
So that's coming back in the next, I think,
what, three or four weeks?
Swacket?
Yeah.
I don't have a timeline.
Oh, nevermind.
No ETA, but Stealth's coming back in the next week or so.
And then new water bottle colors in three to four weeks.
Oh, new water bottle colors in about a month.
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And we talked about the store a lot.
So I'm going to breeze through this.
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So I'm going to fire up the store here.
This is my first time actually seeing the finished one.
Linus Tech Tips official game store.
Got featured games.
You had something to do with this, didn't you?
Yep.
I played too much of that this year.
Totally.
Let's go ahead and go back to chrono.gg.
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So chrono.gg works with game publishers directly
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If you haven't heard of them before,
their main store offers one game, one great deal,
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So check it out today at ltt.chrono.gg.
I'm actually going to fire it up
and see what their main deal is today.
There it is.
I really think this made me bust a little bacon.
I have never actually heard of this game.
I haven't heard.
Kind of reminds me of Habbo Hotel.
Complex Man, oh, it's a space station sim.
Yep, that seems like the kind of thing
that people would play a lot
and then get completely consumed by.
All right, in other news this week,
Global Foundries has issued a lawsuit against TSMC.
And if you guys don't already know how high drama
this whole situation is,
I'm going to skip straight to TSMC's response to,
here it is, let me see.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh man.
Oh yeah, that's ruthless.
I don't think, where is it?
Where is it in here?
There.
Ah, yes, okay, this is great.
Okay.
Oh no, that's not even it.
Oh, that's hilarious.
Okay, no, that was from a tech analyst.
Significant damages.
You know what?
I don't think it's in my notes.
So do you want to start walking people
through what's going on here while I find this quote?
It's fantastic.
So I don't really know the details,
but basically, Global Foundries.
That's fine, you just read the thing and pretend you know.
Global Foundries has filed lawsuits
against Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company
in the US and Germany
over alleged infringement on 16 patents.
The company said they're looking
to halt the import of processors.
They were the technology and is seeking to,
or and is seeking significant damages from TSMC
based on TSMC's unlawful use of GFS for priority technology
in the tens of billions of dollars of sales.
Basically, it'd be really bad
because Nvidia, Apple, doesn't AMD also use them?
Pretty much everyone that makes fast things now.
Uses TSMC.
Global Foundries fell a little bit behind.
And when you file a little bit behind
in semiconductor manufacture, you're in trouble.
Yeah, you're basically done.
So what even happens if this goes through?
Like, do we just, do we have like the Titan RTX
and it's like suddenly gold
because you can't get any more or something?
Realistically, like this kind of thing comes out
all the time where, you know, I mean,
back when Apple and Samsung were going toe to toe
over the original Galaxy S Vibrant
and how it looks just like an iPhone
and all that kind of stuff.
And, you know, they'll seek sales injunctions
or whatever the case may be, like sales bans.
The reality is that it usually takes so long to be processed
that any product that would be affected by it
is long gone from store shelves
before anything actually happens.
And this is more, it ends up a lot of the time
being more about posturing than anything else.
Now, the unfortunate thing about this situation
is if it just covers anything made by TSMC,
yeah, it could actually affect your ability
to buy an Nvidia graphics card in any countries
that will uphold this kind of a ruling.
It could create like a black market for graphics cards
that are like manufactured in Taiwan, sorry, the chips.
Manufacturers, so the chips are manufactured in Taiwan,
the cards are assembled in China,
and then they're like, you know,
shipped through India or something
and then like snuck into port in the US or whatever.
Well, it says US and Germany,
so maybe we can just get a bunch and,
we're pretty close to the border.
Not an actual business strategy.
Dang it.
I was, someone found the thread,
found the quote in the thread on our forum,
but I'm having a really, really hard time finding it.
TSMC, because, dang it.
I hate this, I'm so mad.
Okay, in a nutshell,
they basically said, yeah, we're gonna defend ourselves
and we think it would probably be a good idea
if they would just focus on making better products
than resorting to this kind of,
you know, patent infringement lawsuit, crap, in a nutshell.
Oh, maybe it was the other thread,
nope, that was just page two, dang it.
All right, whatever, I give up.
So, I guess that's pretty much,
I guess that's pretty much all we have to say about that.
Yeah, that would be bad.
Yeah, good luck, global foundries.
Seems like they must be pretty desperate.
So in August 2018, they ceased development
of their seven nanometer process
to focus on being a specialty foundry,
which is I guess another way of saying that
you can't compete at the bleeding edge,
so you're just going to go out there and find customers
that don't need their products
manufactured on the bleeding edge.
And like, that's fine,
there's plenty of customers for that out there.
It's just-
It's like going for venture capital
or like getting venture capital and then being like,
you know, I just kind of want the loan for my parents.
Yeah, ouch.
All right, what else we got here?
Oh, this is a big one.
So this was posted by Rainbow Dash on the forum,
not the real Rainbow Dash, of course.
The original article here is from the register.co.uk.
But AMD has agreed to pay purchasers
of its FX bulldozer processors a total of $12.1 million
to settle a four-year false advertising lawsuit.
That works out to about $35 a chip.
Oh man, I remember this great-
Intel used to have some really edgy advertising
back when they had this like,
we are unassailable swagger going on.
So this was a little bit beforehand.
Let me see if I can find the image.
Oh, that's a shame.
I just remember they sent us this advertising collateral
back when I was working at NCIX.
Back when AMD was advertising their triple cores,
which were basically failed quad cores
that had one of the cores disabled.
And what was cool was that in many cases
they could be re-enabled.
And Intel sent over this ad collateral
that said like, more is not necessarily better
or something like that.
And it had like a beefy looking chopper motorcycle
that was blue.
And then like a green or red,
I forget whether AMD had switched over to red yet
at that point, but a tricycle next to it.
And I was like, oh, you guys, you so edgy.
Anyway, the whole core marketing for AMD
ended up getting them into trouble
because they went from the FX,
oh man, I'm trying to remember, sorry.
It was the Phenom 1100T
was their flagship six core processor.
And that was based on their steamroller.
I'm sorry, I'm a little bit hazy
on my eight year old code names,
but the 1100T was an unlocked six core processor,
Phenom Black Edition or something along those lines.
And it had from like a traditional sense.
So it had both floating point and integer units
for each of those six cores.
Then AMD launched the world's first
eight core desktop processor.
The FX, I think it was 8150 was the first one.
Do you remember any of this?
All right, don't worry about it.
FX 8150.
But the problem with the FX 8150
was that it didn't have in the same definition
that AMD had previously used,
it didn't have eight full cores.
So I think it only had eight integer units,
but then only four floating point units
or something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, is that right?
Yeah, that's right.
And crucially a single floating point unit.
Yeah, yeah.
So what that meant was that for certain workloads,
certain workloads,
it did actually behave kind of like an eight core processor,
but for other ones,
it only had the horses under the hood
of a quad core processor.
And they were advertising it as an eight core processor
when the entire rest of the industry,
which is AMD at every point previously,
though to be clear,
we go back far enough CPUs used to have things
like cache off-board.
So let's ignore that era.
But everyone, including AMD and of course Intel
had sort of decided that as a CPU core
needed to have both a floating point and an integer unit.
So in January of this year,
a California judge rejected AMD's claim
that a significant majority of people
understood the term core the same way it did.
And based on the results of a poll of the register readers,
it appears most C cores in the same way as the litigants.
So 47% said a core should be fully independent,
whereas a mere 28% were rabid AMD fan boys
and said that it can share execution engines.
So this has led to both AMD and the plaintiffs lawyers.
Oh, this is great.
This appears to be some editorial from the register there.
They said the insanity that is class action lawsuits
has led both AMD and the plaintiffs lawyers
to argue to the judge that 12.1 million is a fair amount,
despite the fact that consumers paid an additional
60 million in premiums for their eight core processors.
I don't know.
This is honestly kind of a tough one for me
because I really do see it both ways.
On the one hand, yeah, it was kind of BS.
But on the other hand, is it really any more BS
than Nvidia calling their GPUs 2000 core processors?
Like they call them CUDA cores,
but they're not cores in the same way
that a CPU core is a core, like get real.
Oh, yeah.
You have to read the fine print on this stuff.
It's highly technical stuff.
For me, I thought that it was like pretty greasy.
Like I know when I learned that it was like
only half actual cores.
I was pretty forward.
1.5 cores.
Yeah.
Cause it's like a lot of stuff uses FPU.
Like, yeah, I don't know.
I guess also kind of like not many things use eight cores
even now, so I don't know how much of a difference
it would have made, but it just, I don't know.
It just doesn't sit right with me.
You know what, here's what I want to know.
Let's create a straw poll here.
Straw poll dot me.
I want to hear from you guys, but here's the trick.
I only want to hear from you guys.
If you actually bought, that means real money
when it was new.
So I'm not talking like your buddy was getting rid
of his FX when he upgraded to something better or whatever.
I'm talking you bought brand new from a store,
bulldozer processor and FX eight core processor.
And I want to know, do you feel ripped off?
No, not, not maybe do you feel ripped off?
Because really when you, when you calculate the damage
of a class action lawsuit, it's more about the money.
So, or it's more about the, it's about the false advertising.
So would you have made a different decision?
Would you have bought something else?
Because here's the thing, core advertising
or boost clock speeds or whatever the case,
actually, yeah, the TDP discussion that we had earlier
is another perfect example of just,
if you just read the box of a CPU,
knowing that this is a highly technical product,
you kind of got what was coming to you.
So core processing or core counts aside
and advertising aside, any computer purchase
should come down to benchmarks anyway,
not down to the specs because the specs
are ultimately pretty much meaningless.
All right, I'm going to go ahead and dump this
in the YouTube chat.
I actually don't know where to find the live video
on our channel here.
Oh, there it is.
Wow, that was easy, neat.
Yeah, I would say framed like that, I am a no.
I don't think that it would change how I thought about it.
So you would have just done your research
and made a decision based on the raw performance
of the thing.
Yeah.
Right.
And like for a lot of things,
do you think it really makes a difference?
Like probably not.
I don't know, like as an educated consumer,
no, it made no difference to me whatsoever
how AMD wanted to advertise their stupid thing.
I knew that it performed like hot garbage,
literally hot garbage.
And so I was not interested in it.
But I guess like sometimes I can be kind of out of touch
in that sense.
You know, it's funny, I had someone call me out of touch,
but I think this was not the way that they meant it
because we talked a little while about how user benchmark,
I think it's called, how I had never heard of that before.
I'm like, you're so out of touch,
must be nice to just have all that stuff on hand
so you can test it yourself.
I'm like, no, I didn't always have all that.
And I still didn't resort to,
like what's that other stupid site,
like GPU check or something like that where like,
you know, anytime you Google like 1080 TI versus 2080 TI,
stupid garbage, these garbage town websites
that just like count CUDA course basically
and say which one is better.
Like that's not how you research hardware.
I didn't have to have all this stuff to be able to figure
out how things performed relative to each other.
You just go out, you look for independent reviews of them,
you find numbers that match,
and then you can use that to compare something
that was never directly compared.
So if one review has a direct comparison
between a 3,700X and a 9,900K,
and then another review has a comparison
between a 3,700X and 9,400,
now it's not that hard, it's not that hard.
You have to be willing to put a little bit of work into it.
The point is you can compare a 9,900K to a 9,400
as long as the thing that they have in common
sort of agrees, it's pretty close.
Yeah, but you're thinking of like someone that gets that,
not the sort of person that's like,
oh, like how does a GTX 760 compare to,
I don't know, 1050, like you just type that in?
You just type that in?
No, no, no.
No, it's not very difficult for like you or me
to like figure how it all matches up.
Yeah, because you just have to go find reviews
of like the 960 and then also the 1060
and you can bridge the gap.
Yeah, it's not all that difficult,
but if the first search result that comes up is like,
oh, this one right here is however many percent
faster than the other one, you're just gonna click that,
you're gonna use the number
and you're gonna be like, okay, yeah.
All right, we've got our results.
I'm so sorry, Floatplane.
We were already really late for the show
and I didn't have time to sign in,
so I didn't check your chat and I didn't post it there.
I feel terrible, you guys are great.
Speaking of chats, what's his name?
Robert Mayhell, I'm sorry that I said that wrong,
sent us the TSMC quote in Superchats.
Oh, where is it?
It's right here.
Oh, this is great.
Thank you, Robert.
We are disappointed to see a foundry peer
resort to meritless lawsuits instead of competing
in the marketplace with technology.
Oh, dang!
TSMC is proud of its technology leadership,
manufacturing excellence,
and unwavering commitment to customers.
So basically they just said,
if it's too hot in the kitchen, then get your ass out.
Yeah, sorry, you're not good.
Yeah, sorry, not sorry.
So this is interesting.
It split, I wouldn't say down the middle,
but it's a lot more even than I would have thought.
So 40% of people would have bought something else
with just shy of 60% saying,
no, they would have bought exactly the same thing
because they probably did all the same research
that we would normally do and knew exactly
what it was that they were buying.
I don't know, it's a funny thing
because from my perspective,
I don't really care that much about like,
Asus was in here earlier this week
talking about how they were the first
to have a 120 hertz laptop.
And I was like, okay.
But I would never buy something
because of a manufacturer like,
being like, look how cool we are.
What do I care about that?
How many FPS do I get in my game?
Shut up about that other stuff.
So, no, I was like, I find that kind of thing
sort of confusing.
All right, so we should see if there's anything else
that we wanted to talk about real quick.
Oh yeah, this is something that just sort of bothered me.
I don't know why they did it.
This was posted by JC Helios on the forum.
Oh yeah.
The original article is from nine to five Google
and why don't you go ahead.
I don't know, this just really annoyed me.
I have no idea why they did it.
Yeah, this happened to me like very recently.
I was just trying to find a wallpaper
for like a secondary PC.
And I went into Google images
and the search by exact size or larger than
where you can like type in the numbers, it's just gone.
So, I don't know, that's about it,
but I'm just really annoyed because why remove it?
Maybe have it like a bit harder to get to
if you don't want it around,
but I don't see why you'd remove it.
Using Google's advanced image search feature,
you can still filter by sizes larger
than certain megapixel counts,
but the ability to filter by exact size
isn't available there.
Bing, by contrast, apparently does still offer
the exact size image filtering.
It's too bad that it is a steaming pile of garbage.
Yeah.
So, now it's time for the super chats.
Hey chats, you super.
Note says, mighty car mods, car PC collab, we would love to.
They're not exactly located close to here.
The stuff that they work on is big.
The stuff that we work on is big.
Time consuming, that is a fairly major project.
We're not saying no, we're just saying not yet.
Human Gilly says, Linus,
when are you gonna come to Australia?
I would love to come to Australia.
There we go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm not going there to work.
Gamer 55 sends a dollar, thank you.
Rust is, Rust I2, God, I don't know what that says.
Keep up with the great work everyone.
Well, thank you.
Alexander says, new batch of stealth hoodies,
when? Next week.
Tony says, Linus is beautiful.
You knew I was gonna read that.
I wasn't gonna gloss over that one.
Ungrim says, love the earrings, don't lie to me.
People are just.
Tommy Gun, are you gonna revive channel super fun soon?
We want to, we haven't had time yet, it is on the roadmap.
Linus, you're back, is there an update on floatplane merch?
Not yet.
We will do floatplane merch eventually.
Joshua says, any plan to look at VIA's weird x86 chips?
I didn't know they were making new x86 chips.
VIA, new CPU, you gotta be kidding me.
Okay, so this is like, September last year.
Oh, I think that we tried to get one and then didn't.
But I don't know, I wasn't involved in that, so.
Interesting, yeah, we could try again.
Yeah, it looks like it's like a weird
Chinese processor or something.
A lot of time that stuff's really hard to get out of China,
but we did get our hands on the Honor TV, so.
Oh yeah.
That should give you guys some idea
how our sourcing in China game is going.
Owen says, hi, apologies for this,
but hit you up on dforum by DM.
Okay, good to know.
Sport says, hi from Switzerland,
just a fellow Vancouverite creating Swiss LTT fans here.
All right, cool.
Linus, when did you get so handsome?
It's a filter.
Did you hear about that?
No.
The like, the old lady in China who was using a filter
to be like a cam girl.
Oh, this is awesome.
I don't know if they talked about this on WAN Show.
Filter.
You mean on Tech Linked?
China cam girl.
I don't know.
I'm just putting in every keyword that could,
that I think might help me bring this up.
This young vlogger's beauty filter glitched midstream
revealing a 58 year old woman.
That is apparently a real time filter
that she was applying to her streams.
That's actually pretty impressive.
It's really impressive.
Yeah.
It's got like the face shaping going on there,
like nose shaping, eye shaping.
Like has anyone found that this is fake news?
I haven't found any,
I haven't found any evidence to suggest that it is fake,
but I also, oh wait, no, wow, this is BBC.
Okay, yeah, it's probably fine.
And I didn't find any other pictures
because it'd be nice to have more than just one still,
like a video of the stream might be kind of cool,
but yeah, saw that, thought that was pretty,
pretty fascinating.
I don't remember how we got on that subject.
Right, yeah, that's what I'm doing.
Yeah, it was.
What else we got here?
I bought tickets for last LTX, but couldn't go.
Still glad I could contribute.
Can't wait to go next year.
See you there, Connor.
The Novaran, do gym shorts at the LTT store.
I actually totally want to do workout clothes.
I want, basically I want to stop paying
for my badminton clothes.
That's my secret agenda.
So if you guys could all buy a bunch of it
so that I don't have to buy, well, I mean, I buy it,
I buy all of it, but like, I don't know, whatever.
Point is-
It feels different.
Yeah, it feels different.
It feels different when instead of like going to a store
to buy this Ram shirt, Lloyd or Nick just walks
into my office and gives me a stack of Ram shirts
and it's like, hey, you got to promote this now.
And I'm like, cool, I love this thing.
Um, so yes, I paid for it.
In fact, I paid more than you guys
because I actually like hired employees to create it.
But um-
Yeah, you got the sample, so it's not cheap.
Doesn't matter.
Yeah, actually.
Did you guys know like how much freaking samples cost?
It'll be anywhere from like 3X to 30X.
What the finished product will be
for stuff that's as simple as like a mouse pad or whatever.
Actually mouse pads are a bad example
because the samples are pretty cheap for that.
Cause it's mostly like a digital printing process now.
But did I just give something away?
Yeah, I think so.
We're doing a mouse pad.
Anyway, Mike says, do you know anything
about fixing yourself?
Oh yeah, I do.
Just go see Dr. Pollock.
I'm not reading your username, but says I would.
I was wondering if you'd be willing to do an episode
on the history of PC sound and sound hardware.
Didn't we kind of do that?
That's really interesting.
I don't think so.
Not to the degree of depth
that this individual is probably hoping for.
Cause there is a lot that went on there.
Sound used to be a much, much more demanding thing
before Microsoft basically took the whole thing
and put it in software with Windows Vista.
Feels like Lazy Game Reviews has a good video on that.
Probably.
Cooper says, hey guys, been a fan
since I had a barely functional 5850.
Now I'm rocking a water-cooled 2080 Ti.
What 2000s era component do you miss the most?
None of them.
There were some cool cases back then.
You probably wouldn't remember any of this stuff,
but man, check out this thing.
This is the Thermaltake Zaser series.
These were some flashy pants, frigging computer cases guys.
Let's check this shit out.
What else we got here?
Oh man, look at this blue one.
I think the Zaser three was, oh, is this the three?
No, I wanted the two.
Oh yeah, that's the one I was looking for.
Look at this thing.
It's beautiful.
Aluminum construction.
This was like a premium case back then.
This was like gamer.
Love it.
Look at these builds from back then.
That's like a show build, you know?
Did it have cathodes in it? Oh, probably.
Like this was like in advertising.
No one would even dare show that
on like builds.gg or whatever these days.
It's great.
What else we got?
Dislexicon says spending money on super chat
that won't get read.
And I'm pretty sure you lied.
$2 is usually the free one, but I read it.
So now you're a double liar.
Joey says, can you lower shipping costs for Canadians?
They are as low as they are.
Those are our shipping costs.
We don't make profit on the shipping.
So the only way for us to lower our shipping costs
is to do more volume through Canada Post basically.
Adam says been watching LTT since NCIX.
Love to see the changes over the years.
Keep up the good work.
Andrew says, I used your code to buy shrouds coffee
at Madrid.
His coffee is pretty good actually.
Yeah, but he used our code.
Okay, you know what?
He used our code.
Thank you.
But not to buy our coffee.
It's okay, I'm over it.
Dalsim says I would love an armored swacket for a motorbike.
Okay, that would be so much frigging work.
Do you know how hard it was to do the swacket as it is?
I love it and it was totally worth it, but like, no.
Get some goalie gear and put it outside of it.
Yeah, why not?
Oh yeah, sure.
It's that simple.
Thank you.
Jackson, I'm 13 years old.
I love your show.
I would love to say, hey, hey back.
Where are the like buttons on float plane?
Luke's working on it.
All right, so hold on.
Oh yeah, okay.
This was Robert Mail, thank you.
I just saw that finally now.
A broken TV says I wrote a stage play.
Alex, you can't do that.
It'll ruin the company.
Linus, you misunderstand.
I am the company.
I think we could work that line into it.
If we did a stage play, sure.
Oh, where'd it go?
It just moved.
Someone said new intro when?
Not sure.
I may just kill the intro.
Yeah.
Maybe we just won't have an intro anymore.
Cause like people who drop out during the intro
are watch time that we don't have.
Maybe we just don't need to,
maybe we don't need to like brand ourselves to death.
With that said, the amount of branding that we've done,
not just for the channel, but also for the company,
I think has contributed to people's awareness
of us in general.
So I'm not sure what the right answer is.
Yeah.
The Phoenix, I just got my swacket,
stealth hoodie, processor, shirt, hat and underwear
is all awesome and worth every penny.
Thank you, Phoenix.
McRingle Bort, can't wait for the LTT sandals.
Can't wait to be the first to resell them on GOAT.
What is GOAT?
I'm like afraid to Google this.
GOAT, is it like something to do with shoes?
GOAT shoes, goat.com, the safest way to buy.
I'm sorry, what is this?
Oh no, I licked my fingers.
Oh, gross, shop hands.
Oh, gross.
Okay, why did I do that?
I deserve it for eating on stream.
All right, what the heck is this?
So is it just like...
Is it just a shoe store?
I think it's selling like hard to get shoes maybe,
like how much do those cost?
125 bucks.
That seems pretty reasonable.
Or used for 120.
Oh, okay, so this is a used marketplace then.
Okay, so you wanna resell them on GOAT.
Wow, okay, I mean, everybody has to have goals
and that's important to maintain your focus.
So I commend you for it.
Okay, I think that's pretty much all we can do for now.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
We'll see you again next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
So long.
Oh, I can't believe we didn't finish
the Peltier video today.
I'm so disappointed.
I wanted to know if it was gonna work.
I wanted to know if it was going to look
just like a catch on fire.
I still wanna know if it's gonna work.
Yeah, I'm still concerned it's gonna catch on fire.