All right, welcome to the WAN show where we deploy new ways of streaming without actually
going ahead and testing the aforementioned new ways of streaming and we are back.
So since I have a badminton class tonight and I am not going to have time to do a thing
where I stitch together the footage, we're going to start over.
So this is John.
Hi.
John went to Duke.
We have a lot of great topics for you today.
What were they?
Right.
Disney.
Disney of all companies nails free roaming wireless power delivery.
I mean Disney?
I can see a few ways they would actually use it.
To make Star Wars.
Well other than that.
With Star Wars technology.
Actual light sabers.
The switch will not have a virtual console at launch which I guess actually makes a fair
bit of sense.
Microsoft is testing underwater data centers and we're going to do a summary of AMD Ryzen
for those three of you who haven't already heard about it.
And finally we are going to reveal a rumor that we can neither confirm nor deny because
it's just a rumor.
The source of the rumor we will explain later.
But apparently, allegedly, a GTX 1080 TI graphics card is set to launch next week.
More at eleven.
Let's roll the intro.
Everyone's like shoe on head or pre-recorded.
Joke's on you.
I don't wear shoes.
I wear sandals.
And I'm wearing slippers.
Yeah.
So there you have it.
Our proof is entirely unsuitable.
Neither of these are shoes and therefore this video is pre-recorded.
Ha!
Ha!
Ha!
Take that Twitch chat.
All right, everyone's like, where's Luke?
So actually, you know what?
That would be a great first topic for us to jump into because there is a thing that is
not in the docs.
So comments to at James underscore gravity for managing to miss the biggest news of the
week.
The very first thing we're going to talk about in our doc here and that is the what are they
calling it?
Cloud bleed?
Yes.
Kind of like what they're calling it.
Yeah.
So here we go.
So the original article here, actually, if you don't mind pulling it up, I'm having a
bit of an issue with my, uh, with my laptops.
Oh, hold on.
That might solve it.
Yup.
Let's see if that works.
Um, FNF4.
Very important.
Okay.
There we go.
Okay.
Oh, wait.
Do you have cloud bleed up?
Um, I don't know.
I don't think I do.
I'm trying to.
What site?
You got this.
You got this.
Just cloud bleed.
Incredible Bing skills.
Wow.
Why are you using Bing?
Because I opened up.
Why, why, why do you, why do you hate finding things, John?
I'm kind of a masochist anyway.
Okay.
So cloud bleed is a big problem.
It's like actually disastrous and, uh, pretty much in a nutshell.
I got it.
I got it.
I got it.
You got this?
I got it.
Okay.
I don't have my notes on it, so I'm going to sound like an idiot for a second until
we pull up our internal thing.
So pretty much what's happening is if you've logged into any cloud flare protected site,
there's lots of those.
Yeah.
For those of you who aren't familiar with cloud flare, basically it's like a DDoS mitigation
mechanism that, uh, websites, businesses, online services can use to make it more difficult
for folks to DDoS them.
So if you logged into any cloud flare protected site or submitted any other sensitive information
between, and this is like a fairly significant date range, the 22nd of September, 2016 and
the 18th of February, 2017, there is a chance.
It's a very small chance, but there's a chance that your password or that sensitive data
may have been leaked.
The bug was most severe between the 13th and 18th of February of this year.
But even so, the chance of your data have been leaked is very low.
With that said, security, security, security, preventative security is better than reactionary
security.
And what you guys need to do is go check out some of the resources that exist right now
about this and change and update the passwords for the sites and services that you use that
have been affected immediately.
Like immediately.
That's like the internet, but faster.
Almost.
Almost.
Almost.
Apparently this was, this was reportedly caused by one incorrect character in, I don't know
how many, how many lines of code and what essentially happened was my, my understanding
is that it was a server memory dump.
So Lord knows what was in the server memory of all these websites at any given time.
So this is why you should probably be going and changing your passwords if you have used
any of these, these affected services.
So even during the greatest period of impact, so February 13th to 18th, around one in every
3.3 million HTTP requests through Cloudflare potentially would have resulted in memory
leakage.
So that's about 0.00003% of requests.
But with that in mind, even that tiny percentage is potentially a huge problem and the reason
for that is that even 0.00003% of the leaks from a mere 770 sites is 2.5 billion requests.
Internet's a big place.
Yeah.
Internet's like, the internet's like huge.
It's like they have more tubes, the most tubes.
The bigliest tubes.
The bigliest tubes.
So many tubes.
Like you can't even, you can't even keep track of all the tubes it has.
So guys, go check it out.
Let me just see.
Yeah.
There's a blog post over on Cloudflare.
I'm going to post that in the forum or in the, in the forum.
I'm going to post that in the Twitch chat so you guys can go check that out.
Make sure that you're not, not getting all your, you know, stuff ruined by having a bad
day because people stole your information and whatnot.
All right.
Moving on.
Shots fired.
Google's Waymo sues Uber.
So the original article here is from Ars Technica and you will have to pull it up if you don't
mind.
Oh yeah, there it is.
Look at that.
Way to go.
Luke's screen share alleging that they stole trade secrets.
So Google names Anthony Lewandowski once one of its top engineers as the chief suspect in
this case.
Now this is something that I've personally never really understood that well because
while it's obvious that if you were to take like physical documents off of, let's say,
you know, a fellow, a coworkers desk and put them under your armpit or up your butt crack
or wherever it is you decide to keep them and you waddle yourself over to another job
interview and kind of go like that.
Yeah.
If you like my face, you should see what happens when I turn around and pull my pants down.
You know, like obviously that would be considered a corporate espionage.
And in this case, what they're alleging is that he installed specialized software on
his corporate laptop, loading it with 14,000 confidential files about LIDAR technology
and that while he was at Google, he was secretly plotting this whole thing.
His next startup, Auto.
So then he left Google in January receiving a multimillion dollar severance by the way.
So it was like, here's some millions buckets and here's some buckets of money.
See you later, nice guy that we like.
And sold that startup in August.
So it was like eight months later for 680 million to Uber.
Then a month later, Uber unveils its plans to bring self-driving cars to Pittsburgh.
So this looks pretty open and shut, but explain to me what the difference is between putting
corporate documents on a USB key up your butthole and, you know, learning and developing as
a person and as a professional and taking your job skills with you and the knowledge
you've gained to a new employer.
Okay, so full disclosure on this.
I had maybe three weeks of trade secret law in law school, but here's what I can tell
you.
So there's possibly two issues.
Was it the best three weeks of your life though?
It wasn't the worst three weeks of my life, so I had a good professor from the University
of Kansas, actually.
I saw we had a Jayhawks fan somewhere on the Twitter, or not Twitter, but Twitch chat.
So there we go.
So a couple ways to look at this.
So the guy here was an ex-Google employee, yeah?
Yes.
So one thing you can do, obviously, is when you hire someone, you can stick a confidentiality
agreement in front of them, and you make them sign it as a condition of employment, and
you can put in that confidentiality agreement.
You can't do things like take sensitive dots, put them on USB drives, and jam them up your
butthole.
You can put that in a contract.
So obviously you don't-
But it's probably okay to jam it up his butthole as long as he doesn't then give it to anyone
else.
Probably.
Okay.
Yeah.
In fact, their lawyers will be good enough to flush that particular detail out, but anyhow,
so and obviously this guy was obviously working on something very, very important, and Google
is a major company with plenty of money to hire a good legal counsel, so he probably
did this.
But even if that never happened, and they hired him off the street, which I'm sure was
not the case, but let's say they did this, and there was no confidentiality agreement,
they said, they just told him, oh, you're hired, you started on Monday, even so, trade
secret law, my understanding is he could still dig in, because it has to be, if it's information
that isn't publicly available, and there's some sort of like possible real economic benefit
or business benefit to that company, and they actually made efforts to protect it.
Like Google wasn't being all loosey-goosey with this information, but they were actually
trying to protect it.
Okay, so it's not like how to get to the bathroom on the second floor.
Right, it's got to be something that's not publicly known and might have some sort of
real economic value.
So as long as Google made reasonable efforts to protect that, then even if he had no agreement
saying, you can't sell this stuff to competitors, then they could still go after him in court.
Okay, so if, that's, okay, and I'm just curious, and again, I'm probably digging in a little
bit deeper than your three weeks might have covered, or your correspondence law degree
or whatever it is.
Oh wow.
No, I'm just kidding.
Well, I didn't end up working here, so it's kind of what it feels like sometimes, but.
Okay, but let me dig a little bit deeper.
What if he didn't sell it?
Now in this case, you can make a pretty easy case for that he sold it because he went and
started a company that clearly had this information and sold the company, but what if he just
gave it?
Is that a different type of offense?
I don't know, as far as like type, I'm not even sure how to characterize that, but at
the same time, I'm almost completely certain you still can't do that.
Like obviously, I think there's some trade secret and some patent stuff going on here.
I'm not sure if they had a patent on any of this stuff or not, but let's say there was
a patent there.
A patent actually excludes other people even from making your invention for a set period
of time.
But some things are notoriously difficult to patent.
But the other part of that was, this stuff looks more like trade secret, the patent,
right?
These patents are publicly available, like you can go and you can look at them, but you
just can't make it or sell it.
So to answer your question, I don't think the fact that if he didn't sell the stuff,
I don't think that would just completely get him off the hook.
And in this case, I think it was N. Fishin in Twitch chat pointed out that we're talking
hypotheticals here.
Google is a smart and together enough company that I pretty much guarantee you every person
who sets foot through that door has signed a piece of paper that says something about
how you don't steal their stuff, let alone high ranking engineers.
So we get that.
But N. Fishin also pointed out that usually some kind of...
The word has escaped me.
It has been actually a very long week, folks.
The severance package, that would usually be accompanied by some kind of agreement as
well.
Like, here's some buckets of money.
You can't do these things for X amount of time after you leave.
That would be fairly typical.
So we're pretty sure Google has their butts covered here, and this is gonna end up being
a pretty uncomfortable situation.
But the other sort of possible outcome of this is that he's got so many hundreds of
millions of dollars that it could end up dragged out in court for a very, very long time.
That's like lengthy litigation.
So this is a quote from the suit that apparently he took, this is a quote, extraordinary efforts
to raid Waymo's design server and then conceal his activities.
And they are alleging that his web searches, downloads, and access to an external drive
left digital footprints that they plan to use to bring the suit against him.
And you can also certainly use that stuff to say, oh, this dude knew what he was doing
was wrong, and that does not look good in court.
So all right.
So the original article here is from forums.overclockers.uk, and I'm gonna get John to bring it up.
Do you have the dock open?
I can't get to it on this laptop.
You can't get to the dock?
You can't get to the dock?
No, it's fine.
Just give me one second.
We're gonna do this, guys.
It's gonna be okay.
We're gonna do this the old fashioned way, but we're gonna do this the iPhone one way.
No copy paste.
You just if you want to do it, just do it.
Hold on.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Is this it?
Do we have it?
Do we have it?
Do we have it?
I think that's it.
Hey, we got it.
Okay.
Okay.
So first things first, I want to give you guys the AMD Ryzen summary, have a little
bit of discussion here, and then we're gonna talk about already prior to launch.
And I don't have mine yet.
The pictures that I took were of one at the event.
I didn't bring that with me.
But we're gonna talk about rumors already surfacing that there might be some issues.
Don, don, don, don, don, don.
Okay.
So step one of this is Ryzen's coming.
Okay.
I actually don't know if the yes.
Okay.
So it's for preorder now.
And the ship date is March 2nd.
Okay.
So Ryzen's coming.
That's super exciting.
We're all super amped up on that.
There are three SKUs that they're announcing right now, all in the Ryzen 7 lineup.
Have you looked into this much?
A little bit.
Okay.
So there's the top of the line 1800X.
That one is clocked at, I think it's 3.6 to 4 gigahertz.
And it's an eight core 16 thread processor.
There's the 1700X, which is 3.4 to 3.8, if I recall correctly.
And then there's the, did I say X that time?
You did.
Okay.
Then there's the 1700 non-X.
And that talks out at like 3.7, I believe.
Yeah.
So they're priced anywhere from 3.3 to 3.7.
They're priced anywhere from 4.99 down to 3.99 down to 3.29.
So what's really cool about this is that AMD has taken eight threads or eight cores, 16
threads and gone, you know what?
This is worth 500 bucks tops.
And you can have this for as little as Intel was spent as was asking for a 7700K, which
is four cores, 16 threads and onboard graphics, well, and we can, we can discuss that a little
bit later as well, actually.
And yeah, I mean, it's got support for DDR4, 24 PCIe lanes, which is smack in the middle
of Intel's high-end platform and Intel's low-end platform, their mainstream platform.
And performance looks really, really impressive.
Now to be clear, there are some things that apparently I misspoke on something.
Obviously when I was talking about the Intel chip, I meant four cores, eight threads.
Okay.
Chill.
I misspoke on something else recently and people were like, ooh.
Oh, they were going to get their pitchforks out already.
Yeah.
Right.
Anyway, so you are actually making some trade-offs.
Let's say that Ryzen's performance per clock per core was identical to Intel, Broadwell
or Skylake or KB Lake or whatever the case may be.
I haven't personally tested it, so I can't break an embargo for information I don't have.
Let's say, for example, it was, it was identical.
You are still making some trade-offs.
Intel does have exclusive technologies.
They have Thunderbolt 3.
They have the upcoming Optane, which I don't know really a whole lot about.
John has done a fair bit of research.
Actually you have done a fair bit of research.
Do you want to talk about what's Optane in a nutshell?
They are extremely fast SSDs, like quite a bit faster than PCI Express M.2.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cool.
Should we, should we talk more about that?
No, that's fine.
So Intel does have exclusive technologies.
They do potentially have optimizations and functional units available in their CPUs that
AMD might not have.
So a perfect example of that would be the onboard GPU.
So that GPU can do things like one of the demos that AMD has been running to show how
more cores can benefit real users today has been gaming, playing Dota 2 while streaming.
And they've demonstrated that a 7700K gets absolutely butt wrecked by that scenario,
dropping something like 20% of the frames while the game streams.
Yeah.
Like pretty significant.
Yeah.
Like 20%.
However, what AMD conveniently doesn't demonstrate is that you could stream using Intel Quick
Sync video, in which case you would be offloading that encoding task to the onboard GPU.
Now the argument AMD makes is that at the kinds of bit rates that you're able to use
when you're streaming to Twitch, so typically around 3,500 kilobit per second, you are,
it is very important to have the cleanest possible source because any blocking or artifacting
that exists in the original source at that kind of a bit rate at 1080P60 or like 900P60,
which is again, fairly typical for Twitch, is exacerbated.
It is made much worse by the low bit rate stream over Twitch's service.
So they make the argument that more cores is in this case more important than having
that fixed function video encoder.
So there you go.
Basically the fight that's coming is pretty interesting.
AMD is saying, you know what, forget about it with some of this other stuff that we're
going high performance CPU.
I mean, that was right on that.
It was right on Dr. Sue's deck and Intel has taken a completely different strategy over
the last few years, increasing their per core performance and their core counts on the mainstream.
Basically not at all in several generations and adding more and more GPU performance in
that IGPU.
I forget where I was going with this.
A little different than how it used to be almost opposite because you had AMD with the
APUs and then you had Intel who was running circles around them in terms of things like
IPC and now it's now seemingly flipping a little bit with what they're focusing on.
Now it looks very interesting where Intel's all of a sudden the APU company.
With that said, I mean when we showed Ryzen off back at CES, I have to be really careful
while I'm talking to not say things that are embargoed.
So I'm trying to remember when I learned things and whether they're embargoed or not.
So you'll remember this from CES, APUs are also coming to the AM4 platform.
In fact, most AM4 boards have video outputs on the back, even though none of the Ryzen
7 CPUs have any onboard graphics.
So those will just be dead ports in that case.
Will they be or are they integrating any kind of, you know, back in the day they would somehow
have to have little IGPUs that sat directly on the motherboard.
I'm guessing they're not doing this anymore.
They're not doing that.
It's either on the CPU or APU as it were, or it is not in the computer.
So that's kind of the summary, AMD and the demos look really impressive.
There were more demos than what I showed in my video and if you watch some other people's
coverage, they might've focused on different demos, but I was incredibly impressed with
the amount of progress that AMD has made over the last four years that Zen Core has been
in development.
Now with that set, oh, you know what, okay, no, no, no, no, a little bit, I want to straw
pull this.
I want to straw pull this.
I want to get your take on this.
And I'm going to straw pull it before I ask you, because someone has pointed out to me
in the past that it is like a huge problem to issue a straw pull to the audience.
And then say, oh, here's what we think and then so excuse the poll.
And say what we think first.
Yeah.
Okay.
So AMD Ryzen, does this mark a return to competition?
Yes?
No.
How are we defining competition, like a certain percentage of the market or a certain?
I don't think we are, I don't think we're going to try to define it in black and white
necessarily.
I just want to know in the minds of the viewers, do you feel like we're getting back to a time
when there is competition in the CPU market and where you don't feel like Intel is just
doing whatever they want as long as they want or as short as they want.
And we all just kind of have to suck it up princess.
So while the results roll in, why don't you go ahead and share your thoughts.
So what do we know about performance levels, like single-threaded performance?
Because I've heard rumors and you have probably learned new information since I've heard this.
I'm not sure how much you can say, but I've heard, oh, so it's going to be similar to
what Intel had with Broadwell.
And Broadwell is a couple of generations old now by this point.
But at the same time, if you look at how most users and even a lot of enthusiasts are using
their rigs, they'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between Broadwell and Kaby
Lake in the day-to-day.
So maybe assume, OK, AMD is not going to take a huge hit because users want more raw single-threaded
performance.
Assume that doesn't happen.
So I looked the other night on Amazon, and Ryzen's already like number one selling CPU.
Now granted, not everyone's going out and buying CPU in a box.
The vast majority of people, they're buying pre-builds, they're buying laptops, whatever.
But nevertheless, it did make it up to like the top of the best-selling charts, OK?
And you're looking at, OK, so it's 2017 now, and we have more and more things that can
take advantage of multiple cores, not everything, obviously.
But it's a better situation than it was four or five years ago when Intel said, look, six
cores and more, that's enthusiast.
Exactly.
So we're getting to the point now where those sorts of things that can leverage that stuff
is becoming better optimized, has become a little bit more mainstream.
And you have a chip here that is eight cores and reportedly 16 threads.
We kind of had a discussion about this earlier.
Yes, eight cores, 16 threads, and this is, we're not talking bulldozer here, where AMD
was like, yes, we have eight cores, but actually they have four compute modules which share
some resources.
These are eight cores.
They showed die shots.
There we go.
These are eight cores.
OK.
So you have eight actual independent cores that aren't sharing resources, as Linus just
said.
With SMT.
And you have this, you can get a 3.7 gigahertz chip with this architecture, and yes, you
miss out on some of the Intel platform exclusive features, but if we're just talking about
performance here, $330 US as opposed to, the equivalent chip is about $1,000 from Intel.
So depending how you measure it, and that's something that we have to be really careful
as the press, and users have to be really careful about as well.
We need to make sure that we understand that there are going to be situations where 7700K
is going to kick a Ryzen 1700's butt.
And there are also platform features that you would be getting with Intel.
I mean, what's the, it's 40 to 24 as far as the PCI expressing situations.
Are my numbers right there?
On the 7700K, it's 20 to 24.
Oh, no, I'm not talking about the same.
I'm talking about like, because the 7700K is not 8 core, I'm talking about Intel's Skylake,
or not Skylake, but a Broadwell-E.
So in that case, again, so we have to be really careful when we compare to the 7700K, which
has a much higher clock speed and will therefore deliver better performance in some applications
that are really clock speed, or like individual core performance dependent, like some games.
So we got to be careful about that comparison.
We can't say the 1700 is hands down better, even if it absolutely spanks it in content
creation benchmarks, for example.
And then we have to be really careful again, saying, okay, the 1800X is equivalent to a
6900K, because like John was saying, if you have, if heavy expansion is a priority for
your system-
Then they're not going to be equivalent.
Then they're not equivalent because 24 PCIe lanes is not 40 PCIe lanes.
24 is clearly a lower number than 40.
So AMD made a bet here.
They put down their bet and they kind of went, we think that there's a middle, that instead
of taking Intel on head-on in the high-end desktop, so that's the architecture E, so
HEDT is the 40 core platform, LGA 2011, and rather than taking Intel on head-on on their
mainstream platform, we're going to go, we think consumers, enthusiast consumers and
consumers in general, want something kind of in between, because it would have been
more expensive to have more PCIe lanes.
It would have been more expensive to have triple or quad channel memory, AMD went dual
channel memory.
But they did spend a little more than Intel because they went and they threw more cores
at the problem.
So there's, there's a more complex interconnect at play obviously here.
So that was the bet that AMD made.
And there are, I mean, you know, this is not a sales pitch for running out and buying a
Kaby Lake processor to be very clear, but there are other exclusive things on Intel
as well.
For example, Netflix at 4K.
Yeah, you have to have Kaby Lake or newer whenever their new chips come out, so.
But I mean, that's something that doesn't favor Intel necessarily even that much anyway,
because the high-end desktop, like the $1,000, $1,700 processor, they don't have that anyway.
No way.
So.
Okay.
Let's bring up the results of the straw poll here.
Actually.
Oh, you have to bring it up.
It's whoopingly.
It's okay.
So here's what we're going to do.
I have to actually type in the straw poll address here.
So bear with me for just a moment while Linus cackles at me.
I don't know what's wrong with my HDMI out.
I'm sorry.
One, two, four.
I'm sorry everybody.
And I don't know why John doesn't get signed into his thing at some point here while we're
talking.
I'm just trying to be expeditious.
I don't know.
Okay.
There we go.
Cool.
91% say yes.
That's good.
I mean, okay.
To be clear, this is not the stock market and you know, consumer sentiment does not
dictate how things are going necessarily to, to, to that kind of a degree.
I mean, but this kind of confidence is great to see and really encouraging, which brings
us then finally back to that article that we were going to bring up before rumors are
apparently already surfacing.
And this is, I'm not trying to pick on AMD here.
This always happens, whether it's an errata or whether it's like, you know, some, you
know, Oh, ah, Oh, perfect example.
Like what kind of thermal interface material is getting used between the dye and the integrated
heat spreader.
There's always some scandal, every CPU launch green or red team.
There's a scandal, but it looks like Ryzen DDR4 memory might not be operating at the
kinds of speeds that folks might have expected.
So long story short, apparently Ryzen is having some issues running four sticks of RAM, especially
while running high speeds of RAM.
So it's recommended to only run RAM sticks at max of around 2,400 megahertz.
If running with four sticks, however, it is possible to run two sticks with a max speed
of 3,200 megahertz, mega megahertz, megahertz.
Apparently this is all according to one forum post though.
And since we don't have a chip yet, we have absolutely no comments to make on this subject
whatsoever, other than to say, yeah, that doesn't really surprise me.
It may or may not be true.
If you're having problems with your brand new Ryzen rig, you might want to try turning
down your memory speeds just in case.
So there you go.
Just see if that helps you out a little bit there.
All right.
We've got Disney's thing.
What's coming up next?
Oh yeah, let's do Disney's thing.
We were going to talk about that and then we ran into some slight, slight problems.
All right.
So the original, this was posted on the forum by, uh, let's just go find out.
I don't know.
I've got it here.
I still don't know.
Uh, by, Hey yo, cool.
And the original article here is from Mashable.
Let's go ahead and pull that up.
Oh, I actually have it up from ours, but oh, ours.
Okay.
That's fine.
It's basically the same thing.
I love ours too.
Disney research has achieved room scale, which is pretty frigging cool.
Let me, uh, just stay still.
There we go.
It looks like that room scale, ubiquitous wireless power delivery.
Now, to be very clear, wireless power delivery has been a thing for a long time, but unless
you know, we go back to secrets that apparently died with Nikola Tesla, um, it's had some
limitations.
So some of the ways that they can do wireless power are with magnets and that's where the
induction charging that probably exists on your smartphone.
If you aren't an Apple user, um, that's where that comes from.
Okay.
Or if you are an Apple user, it might exist on your watch.
Ah, okay.
So some of it involves magnets.
Uh, so changing magnetic field causes something current to flow.
Thank you.
Okay.
Other options involve microwaves.
Um, so with like a beam, you can actually use microwaves to send power remotely.
However that is, um, while possible and actually like works, um, super hazardous and like that's
a big problem.
Have you seen the videos?
Um, there was, there was a channel, I forget the guy's name, but there's a child, a guy
from the Ukraine I think, and he took like the magnetron out of a microwave and he stuck
a, he stuck like a tin can on top of it and pointed it at a boom box and the boom box
exploded.
Wow.
Yeah.
So some pretty serious stuff here.
No, no, no.
That wasn't what I was surprised by.
I was surprised by you calling it the Ukraine.
You're usually the king of geography.
It's Ukraine.
Yeah.
They took out the, the long time ago.
I beat John at something just because I use a slightly antiquated term for a country that's
not even really incorrect.
I got to take the victories I can get.
Okay.
Okay.
Very good.
All right.
So the concept here, this is really cool.
This is like next level stuff.
You walk into the room with a smartphone in your pocket and it starts charging boom.
So researchers actually built a freestanding living room with aluminum panels covering
the walls, floor and ceiling.
In the center of the room, a two inch copper pipe runs vertically from floor to ceiling.
Electric current runs down through the pipe into the floor and up the walls looping it.
Get this 1.3 million times per second, 1.3 megahertz.
Sounds less impressive when you put it in the context of like a, you know, CPU's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Except it's not the same kind of Hertz.
But trust me, it's a lot.
It's a lot.
And this is cool.
It actually creates a room filling magnetic field running in a circular pattern perpendicular
to the pole.
So no humans can stand within 46 centimeters of the foot and a half for American viewers
of the copper pole because your body will absorb dangerous amounts of energy.
But the, but the researchers say it is safe to transmit 1.9 kilowatts of electricity enough
to power up to 320 USB powered devices.
I can see, I can see Pella's brain exploding.
So Pella's, just to put this in the appropriate context, Pella's mom is a researcher on the
effects of EMF on humans.
And it is, it is her belief that we are underestimating, and I'm putting this fairly mildly, but it
is her belief that we are underestimating the effects of all the waves and bull crap
that are going on around us.
And I get the feeling that she probably wouldn't want to live on a block that has one of these
on it.
Do I get that?
Do I get, did I get that right, Pella?
He's nodding.
Would she want to live in a city that has one of these in it?
I'm getting the, I'm getting the head shake, honestly.
You know, you know, what's really, what's interesting about this is that I think we're
finally getting to the point where I'm, I'm right up there with the guys that are like,
look, if you can't prove that it's causing a problem, it's probably fine.
It's a magnet.
We're like surrounded by magnets and crap anyway.
I mean, there's like hippie morons out there that wear them because they think that it
will channel their chi or whatever.
They didn't die.
So it's probably fine.
Like I usually kind of take that approach.
Go ahead.
Put an implant in my, you know, eye that helps me, you know, see better.
There's never, to my knowledge, there's never been any study that actually suggests that
things like EM interference is actually like hazardous or cancer causing or anything.
I mean, yeah, if you, if you get bombarded with gamma rays or something, that's a little
bit different, but I'm talking about, you know, electronics.
But this, this makes me a little uncomfortable.
We'll just don't stand, um, less than 1.5 feet from it.
Right.
But this 46 centimeter thing, like it's not like, it's not like a microwave oven where
we go.
Yeah.
That stuff's dangerous.
Yeah.
Like you shouldn't do this.
You put your head in there and it's a big problem, but it's okay.
We put a Faraday cage around it where we have the Faraday cage.
This is a well understood thing and it's fine.
And here we're saying, yeah, it's fine.
Don't get too close.
How close is too close?
Well, this, I guess.
And you know what, I'm sure there's science to back this up.
I'm sure it's, you know, and I'm sure Twitch chat is full of people raging at me because
Disney has already demonstrated that beyond exactly, exactly 46 centimeters, um, you know,
it, it, it fades away into the background radiation of which there is lots, I know,
but it's like a foot and a half, it's dangerous beyond that.
Don't worry about it.
A 1.9 kilowatts of electricity.
Don't worry about it.
I could see them refining this to the point where they'll deploy it at like their theme
parts and stuff.
And if it actually, you know, would cause a problem, there'd be so many lawsuits.
So I feel like they would probably be pretty careful with it.
So you think in the interest of protecting themselves from lawsuits, bearing in mind,
of course, that, you know, lawsuits didn't result in the tobacco industry having to pay
for, you know, the entire world's lung cancer treatments like, um, yes.
With that in mind, do you think Disney is exposing themselves any more than let's say
tobacco, big tobacco did?
Wow.
It's like a law school exam question.
Um, so what's your actual question?
Okay.
So you said, I'll flush it up.
So you're, you say Disney would research it fully to avoid exposing themselves to potential
lawsuits because people are walking around in their park and getting, you know, ass cancer
or whatever the case may be.
I like how that's now the second like, but anatomy reference we've already made on Wanshow.
Oh, I can do more than that.
Oh, I know.
I know.
You should see how many I can fit in there.
I work with this guy 40 hours a week, so there you go.
Anyway.
Sorry.
Um, okay.
But what I'm asking is, are they really exposing themselves any more than, than previous, um,
what's it called precedent?
Like then, then we already have precedent for these companies not ultimately ending
up being responsible for giving people cancer.
I mean, okay, if they get to the point where, okay, we know this is safe.
And the reason I even bring that out in the first place is because, oh, you know, if you
go into like Disney World or something, they give you the little, they call them magic
bands.
You wear them here.
It's got like an RF chip in it.
And they, they're like, oh, you don't even have to carry your wallet around with you
unless you want to buy alcohol or something because you can just do, you tap into everything
and it works.
Right.
So, so I can see them deploying wireless power in like, let's say a theme park to do something
with those or to, or to make their rides cooler so they don't have to run wires or something
like that.
But yeah, but regardless of what they use it for, if they're going to do something like
that, you know, if they, if there's a real danger, they would obviously have to like
disclose it and they wouldn't do that because if they say, oh, by the way, if you walk into
our parks, we're testing this new thing out, it's probably pretty cool, but you also might
get ball sack cancer or something and that would be very bad.
So, so, um, and even if they warn people, everyone's just gonna be like, yeah, let's
not go there.
So, so, you know, I can't see them using this in like a very, you know, risky manner.
Okay.
So the basic argument being made here is that consumers were complicit in giving themselves
cancer because by the time the dangers had been proven, there was a warning label on
the box and they're ultimately buying cancer.
So that's their problem.
Whereas if they walk into a theme park with the assumption that there's magic cell phone
charging, not realizing that there's any, any danger that Disney would be exposing themselves
if they hadn't done appropriate due diligence at the very least, it's called assumption
of the risk and it varies really wildly depending on exactly what situation you're talking about.
I'm actually not down on my history because I was born in 87 and I'm so, I'm not sure
exactly and I'm not a smoker, so I don't know exactly when they started putting the warnings
and all the cigarette boxes that said, yo, this might kill you.
It was like how, you know, when they first invented Coca Cola, they had cocaine in it
back in like nine, 1910s or something and they had no idea like how bad cocaine was
for people.
So, so I'm, I'm not exactly sure about that, but like at the same time, I think there is
a, you know, you know, you know, the average reasonable person that is, we say in law,
you know, if they walk into Disney world cause they want to go meet Mickey Mouse and ride
Space Mountain, I think there was a reasonable expectation that that will not give me cancer.
Right.
There you go.
So special cancer, Mickey.
Yeah.
As opposed to inhaling smoke and lighting things on fire and healing smoke, which I
think is just all obviously inherently more dangerous.
So then meeting Mickey, unless you have like depending where you're meeting, unless you
have like a crippling psychological fear of like furries, if you're meeting Mickey in
the back alley, that's probably inherently as dangerous as inhaling burning plants.
That's really not safe.
No meeting Mickey the alleyways off the international drive in Orlando.
Please do not do that.
Okay.
So the original article here is from Kotaku.
The switch will not have a virtual console at launch.
And this is a statement from Nintendo.
Virtual console games will not be available on Nintendo switch at lunch.
We will share more information in the future.
So virtual console, for those of you not familiar is Nintendo's emulation service, which allows
the switch to play games from the nest up through the game cube.
It will likely become a major part, here's the original article here from a where's it
from again?
Kotaku right.
It will likely become a major part of the console's new paid for online subscription,
which will offer NES and SNES games each month.
The delay in virtual console support likely means we'll also be waiting longer for Nintendo's
plans on whether discounts will be offered on games previously bought for other platforms.
So this is kind of a bummer in a wide variety of different ways.
So NES and SNES games each month, does this mean they'll have like a rotating selection
of titles and they'll only be available for so long and then after that you can't play
anymore or am I understanding that?
I hate to say this, but I don't know.
I think we've discussed this previously and Luke knows the answer, but I'm sorry.
I don't remember.
I'm sure Twitch chat is going to pipe up and let you know.
I'll keep an eye on it.
But basically I understand what's going on here.
This is an entirely new architecture so it's not like Nintendo could just be like, oh well
let's just take the emulation software we were already using and let's just run it on
the Switch.
Not that simple.
This is a completely new device.
So I get what happened there, but it's like super balls because Nintendo is doing their
thing where, like I don't even know why it made headlines that Nintendo was allowing
you to carry virtual console purchases forward from Wii to Wii U because I mean it half made
headlines because of the ass backwards way that they did it where you like had to deactivate
your Wii and then put it on your Wii U instead of just having it be account based.
Anyway, the point is now, I mean we don't even know if we're going to get a discount
on games we previously bought, let alone still have them and be able to carry them forward.
And number two is that this even further damages the game library of the Switch.
It doesn't even have virtual console this time.
And it's also funny because let's say someone is waiting for the Switch and maybe they're
tired of their Wii or they sold it or whatever and they want to play an older game, guess
what they're going to do?
They're going to probably, there's a chance that they'll pirate it and this is a company
that's extremely protective of its IP so there might be more problems with that which Nintendo
was ultimately going to be very upset about but because they didn't simply find a way
to either port virtual console over or at least say, okay we're going to at least have
something more available for you at launch.
All right, that was pretty much it for that wasn't it?
Yeah.
Okay cool.
Let's move on to the next topic then.
Microsoft is testing underwater data centers.
So the original article here is from spectrum.ieee.org and I know that the whole concept of underwater
data centers is not necessarily the newest thing ever but there's some new information
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That seems like a lot of the rigmarole just to capture a video signal.
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All right, so this is interesting, Ars Technica reports that Amazon is refusing to hand over
data on whether their Alexa overheard a murder.
Amazon said that because of the constitutional concerns at issue, the authorities need to
demonstrate a compelling need for the information and must exhaust other avenues to acquire
that data.
Even Alexa's answers are apparently protected by the first amendment, which protects as
speech the results produced by an internet search engine.
So wow, we've had so many legal topics today, this is great.
Your thoughts, because I don't know.
Well again, Amazon's a huge company, I'm sure they could afford some very good lawyers,
but at the same time, I kind of raised my eyebrow a little bit, because I'm not sure
about like the first amendment here, this sounds to me a lot more like fourth amendment
search and seizure.
The fourth amendment is a piece of our constitution that says, it says you can't search or see
someone's property without a warrant, right?
So this seems to fall a lot more into that, I'm not exactly sure how the first amendment
comes into play here, there's a quote from the court motion, there we go, I'm looking
at that is alleging that this could have a chilling effect on speech from users, so folks
who buy an Alexa or buy like, what's the other product, I'm drawing a blank right now, yeah
the echo, an Alexa or an echo, from exercising their first amendment rights to seek and receive
information and expressive content in the privacy of their own home.
Okay, so there is like a little bit of a concern there, but the more immediate one seems to
be whether they can actually be compelled to turn the information over, which like I
said, I feel like there's some other concerns, maybe like a search and seizure, that would
be, that we brought up here, because it's a local police department in Arkansas that's
actually asking for the data, Bentonville, that's where Walmart is headquartered, so
fun fact.
Of course you know that.
But yeah, so I'm not entirely sure about that, but it did make me raise my eyebrow a little
bit, I'm also just intrigued, like if Alexa did in fact hear a murder, or was present
for a murder, like what exactly is being stored on their servers, like what Amazon actually
knows about it.
Yeah, I mean, at a certain point I have to kind of like, you know, for myself I have
to kind of wonder whether there's a line between sort of legal obligation and just sort of
moral obligation in this case, like I personally as someone who was murdered would appreciate
Amazon kind of, you know, helping me out on this, I don't know why my HDMI output isn't
working.
At the end of the day, this, I gotcha, I gotcha, at the end of the day, this kind of comes
back down to obviously Amazon's business, right, because if this gets out and it's like
oh, well, you know, the cops were able to get their hands on what my smart speaker from
Amazon heard, then they may not buy smart speakers anymore, so there you go.
Right, fair enough.
Okay, this.
I could have done that, you know.
This is Amazeballs, the article here is from the Washington Post, and you guys have to
check this out.
Is this just a slideshow?
It's pretty cool, though, like, or it's a video, but I don't get in too much trouble,
but France is apparently training eagles, and I hope, there we go, training eagles to
snatch drones out of the skies to combat terrorism.
Freaking awesome.
Way to go, France.
I'm down.
You guys are amazing.
So, basically, they train them from a very young age, and they wanted a way to take down
drones without shooting at them.
So there you go, they train them from a very young age, they're hatched on top of drones
to get used to feeding from them, and practice drones have meat attached to them.
This is amazing.
The military is designing leather and Kevlar mittens and anti-blast material to protect
their talons.
Wow.
That's freaking awesome.
I'm also surprised, like, if you hear the headline, army trains eagle to attack drones,
you would think it's the US, but it was France.
I know, right?
It's like, take that, America.
France is gonna, no, no, this one.
Okay, last topic for the day, GTX 1080 TI rumors.
Nvidia will be holding a GTX gaming celebration event on February 28th, allegedly, just after
AMD's capsaicin and cream event the same day.
So the original article here is from overclock3d.net.
I don't know any of this stuff.
Nvidia states that this event is one that you don't want to miss, with many people speculating
that the event will be used to launch new GPU hardware.
How very interesting.
All right, so last thing left for today is, oh yeah, hold on a second, there you go.
So there you go.
That is the rumor.
Oh, I don't even know.
Is that just Photoshop?
I think it's just a mockup.
That just looks Photoshop.
The TI kind of just looks shoved in there, so yeah.
Yeah, I don't think that's a real one.
No, no, no, this is pretty, okay.
Anyway.
Oh, there it is.
Which leaves our last topic as Floatplane Club.
So those of you who aren't familiar with Floatplane Club, in a nutshell, it's a super cool way
to watch Linus Media Group videos one week early.
We've actually got way more members than we were expecting to have at this point in the
process, but I just want to tease you guys with what's going to be coming to Floatplane
Club in the next week.
Or no, not what's going to be coming to Floatplane Club, sorry.
What's going to be coming to YouTube, what is already available on Floatplane Club now.
So starting on tomorrow, actually it's going to be a heck of a week.
So right, oh right, no, no, what is already there?
What is already there is, right, Apple AirPod alternatives.
So we took for a spin a bunch of wireless earbuds that are a lot cheaper or in some
cases even more expensive than the Apple AirPods to kind of determine is Apple really overpriced
or is it just expensive?
We've got server room upgrade vlog, part two of three.
We've got our investigation into bulk thermal compounds, so we bought a kilogram of thermal
compound and we find out is buying your thermal compound in bulk worth it?
We've got Dell's Inspiron Gaming, so their new replacement for the Inspiron 90 whatever,
Inspiron 15 whatever it was.
So this time they're really calling it Inspiron Gaming and it's looking like a pretty cool
little machine.
We've got, that was a simultaneous release.
We've got server room upgrade vlog, part three of three and that's it, yeah.
So all of those are up on Floatplane Club right now and we've actually got fast as possible
topics up there as well, which I can't find unfortunately right now, but if you know them
off the top of your head, that might be helpful.
Well we just pushed one out today on the Nintendo Switch.
We plopped out the video today, if you would prefer that, on the Nintendo Switch, Nintendo
Switch as fast as possible, now available on Floatplane Club.
It's a pretty comprehensive yet pretty quick rundown of the new features you can expect
on the Nintendo Switch.
So you have that to look forward to on YouTube next week actually on Switch launch day, so
cool.
Oh and did we mention DRM free downloads, is that right, for Floatplane Club?
Yeah DRM free downloads for Floatplane Club, so there's no ads, DRM free downloads and
early access.
There you go.
Alongside that, we also got the channel super fun release that came out to Floatplane with
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You get to see Dennis throw sharp objects, so I mean how can you say no?
So we linked where you guys can join up and we will see you again next week, same bad
time, same bad channel.
Almost.
We'll see you guys next time.