Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen.
We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today.
Starting, of course, with, oh man,
I don't even know, I don't know what to start with.
Intel Alder Lake processors are all of a sudden
available at retail.
So that's kind of a big deal thing that happened,
especially since according to the latest leaks,
they're not supposed to launch for like another two weeks.
Speaking of launches, Apple launched
what might be the most pro-oriented computer
that they've launched since the Mac Pro,
which was the most pro-oriented computer
that they had launched in years.
So we're gonna be talking about the new MacBook Pro
that is actually for pros again.
What else we got?
Missouri governor vows to prosecute a inspecting element
or the F12 key or console or whatever,
where you can see HTML on a webpage.
Kind of awkward, we'll talk about that a little bit later.
Also, EA and FIFA are breaking up.
Is everyone leaving EA?
What?
EA and FIFA are breaking up?
That's really exciting.
Who will I go to for my updated rosters?
What if I want to spend too much
on setting up a custom roster in a video game?
What do I do?
I don't know.
Pay someone other than EA?
No!
No!
Terrible.
I was so sad.
And the show is brought to you by Corsair,
Ridge Wallet, and Ultium.
All right, let's jump right into our first topic.
And this is one that is not in the doc,
but I went impromptu, Linus, and I was like,
we are gonna talk about this
because I am super angry about it.
So this article is from Digital Trends.
There are retailers out there who are evidently
already selling Intel 12th generation Alder Lake processors,
not only that, but at a cheap price.
And it's sort of hard to argue with the evidence here.
So Reddit user Sebi9123 apparently got his or her hands
on two 12900K processors.
And that looks like a pretty credible looking box shot.
So as far as I can tell, individual end users
are able to get their hands on these chips
and without disclosing anything that would get me in trouble
because of our NDA with Intel,
I'm gonna say that it is conceivable that end users
could have these chips to work on testing
or benchmarking them or whatever the case may be
before members of the press
who have signed non-disclosure agreements with Intel
about these processors.
On what planet does that make any sense?
This also isn't the first time.
No.
It's a major deja vu right now.
It's not the first time.
It's not even the first time recently.
Like I'm not even talking ever.
Like this happened very recently.
Yes.
It drives me absolutely crazy.
I give, I mean, to be clear, it's not,
how do I make it, how do I explain why this is a problem?
Because, you know, I think that a lot of people
are gonna jump straight to spoiled media,
the media complaining they don't get a free CPU.
It's not about that.
No.
It's about making sure that you are following
the consumer friendly order of things.
Stuff should not, you should not be jumping the gun
and opening something up for sale
before anyone has an opportunity to review it
because in my mind that demonstrates
that you have something to hide.
Now, to be clear, I don't think that Intel
is going out of their way to make these chips available
to end users before press are able to get an opportunity
to review them.
Because I think that especially in a case
where you have a product that you're confident in,
you want as much media coverage of the thing as possible
because you know that it's gonna drive demand.
Like that is the symbiotic relationship
between reviewers and manufacturers.
The manufacturer is genuinely confident in their product.
They send it to independent third-party media for evaluation
and those independent third-party media are trusted.
Therefore, when they say, yes, it's good,
that should increase sales.
Now, the other side of that, the other edge of that blade
is that if manufacturers make something
that frankly isn't that competitive, they get called out.
But that's just the price that you pay
for the credibility boost that you get
from these independent media that review your products.
So for us to be able to do our job, we need time.
It's that simple.
Especially if you want reviewers
to be able to do a good job.
Because there's been a lot of times in the past
where reviewers will receive something without enough time
to do a thorough investigation, even if you assume
that they're working 24 hours around the clock.
And that is absolutely something that to me indicates
that a manufacturer might have something to hide.
When we get a sample on the Thursday before a long weekend
with an embargo lift on the Monday, we look at it and we go,
you don't want us to look that closely at this, do you?
Yeah, yeah.
That's exactly, yeah, 100%.
And again, to be clear, I don't think
that this is Intel's malice showing through.
I think that this comes down to incompetence.
I think that this is them not having careful enough control
of where their retail units are going
and them not doing a good job of managing their partners.
To be clear, I'm not saying that they have to go full Nvidia
and you literally, man, you talk to an Nvidia partner.
Never go full Nvidia.
You talk to an Nvidia partner of any size
and any shape off the record.
And they've got the fear of God in them.
I don't remember the last time there was a major Nvidia GPU,
like retail GPU performance benchmark leak
because everyone is terrified.
Whereas Intel has demonstrated time and time
and time and time again.
I mean, Tom's Hardware has been publishing leaked benchmarks
with engineering sample chips
since before I was working in the industry.
And they've never stopped getting support
of like proper chips, right?
Like they just continue to have the relationship.
Whereas Nvidia, they will go after you.
Yeah, if you publish something
that you knew you weren't supposed to, you are on the list.
Like you are never, they're never gonna talk to you again.
They have an extremely long memory.
So I'm not saying that Intel has to go full Nvidia,
but I'm saying that you have to at least respect
the results of Nvidia's approach.
So there's that.
So yeah, it's really frustrating.
And it's one of those things
that is particularly frustrating
because we try to play by the rules.
Like we try because it's important for consumers
that we are getting access to proper materials, right?
So we could go rogue.
We could go and buy these chips, right?
And then we could go try and get our hands
on compatible boards and compatible RAM.
In this case, there's a new DDR memory generation
coming out with the new platform.
This is all stuff that is alleged.
Fine, let's say it's thoroughly leaked.
They're not backwards compatible, right?
Or I guess that would be a-
Not according to the leaks.
Right.
So, but the point is that we wanna do things properly
because we could go out there
and we could get our hands on engineering sample chips
or on engineering sample boards.
But then what we would not have is we would not have access
to necessarily the final product.
Because if there's a really important microcode update,
or if that chip that we got
that fell off the back of a truck is not a proper chip.
Like if it's an engineering sample
or even a qualification samples
should be basically a retail grade chip.
But what if it's not, right?
So if we went and we published based on that,
we could be giving you guys false information.
So that's not, it's not in our best interest
and it's not in your best interest.
It's in our best interest and yours
that we are working with Intel.
We have the proper BIOS updates.
We have the proper drivers
and everything is legitimately representative
of the product you are going to buy.
That's what is best for everyone.
But if the partners who play by the rules
in order to bring you guys the best, most accurate content
are somehow at a two week disadvantage
in covering the product, I don't get it.
That's to nobody's benefit.
Yeah, then there's no incentive whatsoever
to follow the rules.
So then everything's just a mess
and it's not good for anybody.
So I just am, I'm frustrated.
I'm frustrated and I'm venting my frustration.
I realized at this point
that there's pretty much nothing that I can do about it
because the really stupid thing is
once you have signed an NDA
that you won't publish these benchmarks or whatever,
even if we got our hands on a chip through like retail means
that is an extremely gray legal area.
I mean, we could go to Intel and we could say,
you know what, an NDA is invalid.
The second that that information is available
to the general public by means of someone other than you.
Absolutely, we could make that argument.
And then if Intel really wanted to,
they could make our lives a living hell
while they fight it out with us in court.
Because...
Legal fees are really oppressive.
There's this whole mechanic where like,
if you have enough money, you can just bury someone,
basically.
Zatharian in Floatplane Chat asks,
can you even say if you have review samples yet?
Typically it is covered by the NDA
that you are not allowed to disclose
if you have review samples of an upcoming product.
Jamal Taylor says, Steve did just that and had no issues.
So Steve marches to the beat of his own drum.
Yeah.
And you gotta have a lot of respect for Steve's approach.
It's not the same as my approach.
What I would rather is,
I would rather complain about systems
that don't make any sense and see reform in the industry.
I have actually seen my feedback
to companies like AMD is an example of a company
that has taken my frustrated feedback
and turned it into new policies
that have benefited me and Steve.
Actually, it was at an event that we were all at
that they pulled this like really,
this super weird thing where you weren't allowed...
Oh, I forget what exactly the details were,
but you weren't allowed to have the slide deck
without a watermark on it until like 15 minutes
before the embargo lift.
Ah, cool.
Or something like that.
One of those like this makes sense for written press,
but not video things.
But they didn't ban cameras in the presentation hall.
Nice.
So leaks went up immediately from the presentation hall
from people taking pictures with their phones.
And I basically came to them and I was like,
look, if I had not played nice, if I had taken pictures,
I could be editing my video right now.
But I didn't.
I played nice.
Give me the non watermarked slides
so that I can edit my video and export it.
You guys are a computer processor company, right?
You make computer processors.
You know that it takes time to process.
And I'm in a position where if I have to wait
for non watermarked slides, I'm gonna be probably
because of the crappy hotel internet, right?
I'm gonna be two, three hours after the written media.
Even with Quick Sync.
How does that make, which is not an empty product.
How does that make any sense?
Why am I at a disadvantage?
Because I'm trying to play by the rules.
What you guys need to do is you need to give me
the non watermarked slides now
so that I have time to make a video.
So anyway, the point is we have actually seen
AMD be more accommodating to video media
ever since that conversation.
And so that's the way that I prefer to go about things.
There are companies that take my feedback
and throw it into a fire and just completely do not care.
We've run into numerous situations
actually quite recently with AMD even
where they have even gone as far as to brief us
so that we have time to make a video
but then have withheld key pieces of information
so we cannot finish and export the video and upload it.
And you guys saw this, I believe
in one of our recent event coverages with AMD
where there was a clip that was spliced
into the video after the fact.
And actually there was one with, who was it?
I forget who it was.
I think it might've been Nvidia where we had to,
yeah, we had to record our review of the product
before we had final pricing.
And it's like, people got really mad at us for it.
And I'm sitting here going, okay, this is,
I guess, yeah, I made a call.
I made a call that we're gonna go ahead
and record it knowing approximately the price,
knowing leaked pricing based on talking to people.
Not gonna name any names.
Like we had a pretty solid idea, but no, we didn't know.
We couldn't read out the exact number.
We didn't know if it was gonna be a 99 cents
or a 98 cents, right?
So I made the call.
I was like, okay, in the interest of having this video
up on time, we're gonna go for it.
Maybe I made the wrong call, but also I believe
that trusted press that these companies
have been working with for, in my case, for some of them,
like 10 years, should just have the right information
so that we can do our jobs.
Because one of the big arguments that I made
about the watermark slides was look,
we both look like idiots if I upload this video
with watermarks all over the slides.
Yeah, we both look unprofessional.
How about we just all be professional
and we have a proper professional working relationship
and what's wrong with that?
I mean, realistically, the ones leaking the information
are not the ones that you should be inviting
to your briefings anyway.
Just stop.
I've even proposed actually to all three,
all red, green, and blue.
I've proposed multiple times.
Like, have you ever heard of, what's it called?
An elimination diet.
Elimination diet?
Oh, yes, yes.
Yeah, so if you haven't, if you're having some kind
of allergic reaction, what you can do is you can go
to like a very, very bland,
like basically start with one food kind of diet
and then you gradually add things to it.
Try to figure out what it is.
Try to figure out what it is
that's causing trouble for you.
And I've proposed, I've said like,
look, why don't you guys just go full elimination diet here?
Give your news to just a very, very select few
and then gradually expand and expand and expand the circle
until you figure out who is selling information
to leaker sites.
And no one's taken me up on it because I think the cost
and hassle of running a program like that,
when there is a clear, nobody ever wants to talk about it,
but when there's a clear benefit to leaking,
particularly for a hot or anticipated product,
it's clearly not worth it.
But it's one of those things where it's like, okay, fine.
Then embrace it.
Yeah.
Fine then.
If you know that all this information
is gonna be out there,
then why don't you just seed us at the same time?
And then we can all leak it.
Like we can all just say, hey,
these are early benchmarks with engineering sample chips.
And that's fun, whatever.
Which would be fine too.
Yeah, yeah.
I always bring up the story of Nvidia where like,
and you know this one because I called you
and you're like, why are you calling me?
Because we had just had this conversation
about how I needed to do these events more solo.
We had this conversation about how I needed to be able
to be more of my own ship when I was doing these events.
Yeah.
So I knew I was supposed to not bother Linus
while I was down here.
I was like, okay, the idea was
that when Luke's out of office,
it was a big opportunity cost, right?
Because he wasn't producing the two or three videos
he might be producing in the span of like,
we got the travel day, then you got the event day.
Sometimes there was like a press event thing
and like another travel day.
He's out of office like all week.
There's like this enormous opportunity cost.
So I need to not distract the only other person
that can make videos.
Yes.
Like it totally, it makes sense.
I'm not so, but I knew I wasn't supposed to call Linus,
but then just like everything possible
to not use that particular word was hitting the fan.
And I was like, okay, I actually think I need to call Linus.
And like, he ends up talking to one of their very high up
press people on the phone and being like, what the heck?
Like you guys need to figure this out.
And that was really helpful.
And Kyle ended up filming his video like out on the street.
I ended up filming my video
while they were tearing the event down.
They had specifically bust us out to a location
where we like couldn't edit or upload properly.
And there was like no reasonable way for us to get back.
And like, and it was really far from a hotel.
Like it was horrible and very specifically set up
to be oppressive towards media.
Like that was the goal and you could tell.
And it was brutal.
It was terrible.
Yeah.
And you could see like, we weren't the only ones.
There was all these different outlets,
like trying to figure out how to do this
in the most like non-clean way effectively,
but like, but barely somehow able
to get your video out still.
It was such a mess.
Yeah.
So annoying.
Really frustrating.
And it's just unnecessary.
I mean, there's people that are like,
Linus thinks that people should just like be so happy
when he gives them a suggestion or something like that.
It's like, no, it's not, it's not that.
It's about just being decent,
like recognizing that when you launch a product at,
you know, on December, you know, 20th or something,
that a lot of people have stuff going on
around that time of year.
And maybe that's actually really rude.
And maybe what you should do
is you should give a slightly longer embargo
or here's a crazy idea,
get us the product a little bit early
so that we have some extra time.
Or, I mean, the example that I gave
of launching something around a long weekend,
even if I wanted to pay the overtime, which we've done,
we've done it when we've had to,
recognize, like maybe say, sorry, maybe say, hey, sorry,
I know that not only is this costing your organization
way more money than it has to in order to cover it,
which we're not reimbursing you in any way for
because there's no cash changing hands.
This is a product review, obviously.
There needs to be no cash.
And there needs to be no cash changing hands.
Maybe acknowledge that you are costing our organization
a bunch of money and not just that,
but there's a human element.
What if Anthony wanted to do something else this weekend?
Did you ever stop to consider that maybe Anthony has a life
and maybe Brandon or David has a life
and doesn't wanna come in on a Saturday and film this video?
Did you ever consider that?
And it just feels like there's a lot of,
there's a lot of just,
hey, couldn't this whole thing be better for everyone
if we tried to work with each other
and we tried to be respectful of each other's time?
That's the big thing.
That's the big thing for me
is it just doesn't seem that hard
to be respectful of each other's time.
I believe it was the 1080 launch, I-R-F-T-W
because basically that was at a time that,
or was it 980-TI?
I can't remember the event that you attended.
I believe it was,
was it the one that was right before Workcation?
No.
Oh, it was a different one.
Cause that one was a gong show too, wasn't it?
That one was also a gong show.
That was 1080.
Got it, okay.
It was not that one though.
I don't actually remember what it was.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think it was 980 or 980-TI.
Something like that.
I know I went to 980.
So it might've been 980-TI then.
Cause I remember going to 980.
But yeah, it was just basically,
NVIDIA went through a phase
and I'm not sure if they're over it,
but they went through a phase
where they were really pushing
to control the narrative around their products
and be the ones that people learned about anything from.
It was kind of,
I mean, you've seen them kind of figure out
how much or how little they need partners over the years.
Whether it's launching Founders Edition cards
built by NVIDIA graphics cards,
rather than focusing entirely on partner built cards
or whatever, right?
You've seen them kind of push the limits of
how much could we just do all this ourselves
and capture all the value ourselves?
Do we actually need media at all?
I don't know.
Hard to say.
So that was around the time
that there were a lot of initiatives
where they were just kind of trying to control the narrative.
And I think it was basically
that they didn't give you guys any information.
They revealed everything on stage.
So you were basically just a live audience
watching what could have been a live stream
that you could have just watched
from the comfort of your office or home,
and then reported on
from the comfort of your office or home.
But instead they dragged you out to this thing,
gave you no information until they gave it to everyone.
And then you're in this position
where you then can't do any work.
Yeah, we were in the basement
below where the event was actually going to happen.
And they didn't give us key information
until the live stream.
So yeah, we were just stuck sitting there.
It was really annoying.
Anthony says it was apparently 1080 TI.
Somehow Anthony remembers this better than you and me.
Okay, that's funny.
What a king.
Anthony, you don't have to be monitoring the WAN show.
It's the weekend, baby.
Did 1080 TI come out first?
No, 1080 was first.
Oh, weird.
Yeah, yeah.
Whatever.
All right, why don't we move on to our next topic?
Hey, you know who is turning over a new leaf?
Who?
Apple.
Oh.
I mean-
What?
We went through this period with Apple
where it felt like it was designed first over functionality
to the point of just being ridiculous.
I know someone who's upset about the ports.
I had that same reaction.
I was very surprised.
I was very, very surprised.
Let's get to that in a moment.
First, let's talk about how Apple has gone full circle,
the other, full circle, full swing the other way
and made a MacBook Pro that really,
really does look designed for pros
without coming out and just saying,
we're sorry, our bad.
They've pretty much said it.
The touch bar is gone.
The webcam is now 1080p.
The crappy keyboard is gone.
I mean, that's not new,
but that's, you know, what was it?
Last gen, I think.
So the crappy keyboard is now gone.
The ports are back.
Basically every move that Apple has made
over the last five, six years,
seemingly for the sole purpose
of antagonizing professional users is gone.
Can we just, can we just?
Yeah, yeah, I'm down.
I mean, they still need to figure out their right
to repair stuff.
They still need to figure out how to not be so far up
their own rectums that it's really hard
to listen to them talk.
There's certain things that Apple could do
to fix up their attitude,
but antagonizing professionals for no reason
is no longer one of them.
So they've got two new SOCs announced,
M1 Pro and M1 Max.
Okay, that's the stupidest thing ever.
Their naming schemes for a company that spends
the amount that they do on marketing,
they didn't foresee the problem with having Max that are Max.
Yeah, that's pretty rough.
That's pretty bad.
I mean, I remember, I remember when Apple
would be openly disdainful of companies like Samsung
having all these different confusing models.
No, no, we have iPhone.
No, no, now you got your SE, you got your Pro,
you got your Pro Max, you got all your different suffixes.
You're no better than Intel at this point.
Okay, you're a little better than Intel.
No, no, you're worse than Intel.
I take it back.
I was gonna say you're better than Intel
because Intel's product names are just utterly undecipherable
like especially at the server level.
Those are, what am I even looking at?
I have no idea, but at least what Intel manages to do
is put a generational number on things.
And like at least somewhat attempt to categorize things
even though that becomes messy all the time.
New MacBook Pro.
Like new MacBook Pro, plus they gotta do that.
That'd be great.
There's two new SOCs, M1 Pro, M1 Max.
And despite now having fine print showing what computers
the company is comparing itself against, Apple's charts
were as obtuse as ever with an axis labeled
as relative performance.
What does that even mean?
They had a lot of emphasis on power efficiency
with both SOCs featuring a CPU
with eight high performance cores
and two efficiency cores totaling 10.
Though it should be noted that the base skew has eight cores.
There are actually a ton of different variants
in spite of the fact that Apple is soldering everything
right to the main board.
I actually think they did an outstanding job
of providing a reasonable degree of choice
when it comes to CPU, GPU, and memory configurations.
So much choice in fact, that it ended up costing me
about as much as a decent car.
Because I told the guys internally, I was like,
look, here's something we can do.
Because Apple doesn't see this product, right?
So we have no opportunity to review a Mac
on the same review schedule as other media.
So I said, okay, look, here's how we're going to stand out.
We're going to buy every config.
We're going to review the configs
that Apple doesn't want to see to the press.
So I spent like $25,000 on MacBooks earlier this week.
Okay, nice.
So that was a heck of a thing.
The good news is we can just flip them.
Like they should hold their value reasonably well.
But yeah, you can expect to see,
so it cost me a lot of money,
but respect to Apple for at least having a lot
of different configurations.
So M1 Pro is available at 16 or 32 gigs
of unified LPDDR5 memory
with a bandwidth of 200 gigabytes per second.
It's available with a 14 or 16 core GPU.
And then there's a media engine that provides hardware
encode and decode acceleration of H.264, ATVC,
and all the ProRes's.
So basically, you know that weird afterburner card,
which I think is truly,
if not the weirdest,
one of the weirdest products that Apple has released
in the last 10 years.
What a weird product that thing was.
I thought it was cool, but weird.
Super cool.
But it's the kind of thing that I would expect some,
some, you know.
Weird.
Like off the wall Silicon Valley startup to make.
Yeah, some fly by night thing
that's like probably not going to exist in five years,
but yeah.
Two years, let alone five.
Like what a weird product that was.
And now it's, now it's gone.
Cause it's built into the M1 Silicon.
I can drive two Pro Display XDRs
and then the M1 Max doubles the GPU cores.
All you got to do is look at the pictures.
It is a, man is a big chip.
M1 Max looks amazing.
So doubles the GPU cores.
It's available with 24 or 32.
Memory gets doubled as well.
So it's 32 or 64 gigs of unified memory
with 400 gigabytes per second of bandwidth.
The media engine is doubled
and it gets double the display output.
So three 6K displays with a single 4K display
is how I'm reading this.
This is from Jonathan Horst's notes.
So correct me if I've got the display bit wrong.
It looks like he's got it annotated in a bit of a weird way.
Now let's talk about the ports.
HDMI is back.
SD card reader is back.
MagSafe is back.
Why did they ever get rid of MagSafe?
Even if you could charge via USB type C,
MagSafe should have stayed.
MagSafe was so cool.
It was one of those things that even as a PC guy,
I looked at and I went, I am so jealous.
That is so awesome.
I think everyone did.
Yes.
Yeah, like it was genuinely really cool.
You're one of the only-
To the point where so many different cable companies
ripped it off.
Yeah, because of the patents that are held
by Apple and Microsoft,
they were one of the only two companies in the world
that could ship laptops with these magnetic power connectors
and they just refused to do it because,
no, don't do that.
So MagSafe is back and I want to talk about ports.
Who do you know who complained that ports are back?
I don't know if they want to be named right now.
Can I slap them?
Oh no, that would be employee abuse.
Wait, this is someone internal?
Yeah.
Name them.
Their argument is that being an M1 Mac user currently,
I don't want to give too much information.
They already have all the dongles and stuff that they need.
They had to buy all this stuff already.
They would prefer to have more USB-C ports
instead of the like HDMI or SD card or whatever.
They would rather replace those things with more USB-C ports
so they can continue the expandability of their laptop
through the already current dongles that they own.
I don't agree with them if it helps
because if they have those dongles,
it's not like they have no USB-C ports
and you can still expand by a lot with one dongle.
So if you have more than one,
you can expand by a huge amount.
Having built an HDMI, is it a fantastic idea?
I probably wouldn't use the SD card slot a lot,
but I would use it sometimes and it's pretty annoying
needing to go try to find a reader, especially,
I mean, either you use it a lot or you use it rarely.
And in both of those cases,
it's really annoying when it's not readily available.
Yeah.
Trying to figure out who it is.
So you want everyone else's life to suck
because your life sucks.
Apparently he likes the HDMI and MagSafe
only as a problem with the SD.
Ah, I mean, I actually do not entirely disagree
that the SD card reader was the least necessary
of those things to bring back.
I do think too.
So I would argue a like appearance and goal thing.
Apple always kind of wanted to be the creator platform.
And I think over the last bit,
they've been letting that go slightly.
And I think maybe this is them trying to grab it back again.
This is them trying to like, you know,
peace offering, hey, please, please come back.
We really do care about you.
I would have rather had a type A port personally
than an SD card slot.
Just there's so many peripherals and you just,
you just want to plug in like a mouse for two seconds.
I don't want to go dig another stupid thing out of my bag.
In fact, I don't even want to carry
another stupid thing around in my bag.
It would be really nice to have a USB type A port.
That's what I would have preferred over an SD card slot.
And the reason for that, my justification for that
is that outside of the photography space,
SD is not the be all and end all anymore.
CFast is out there.
We've got CFexpress, we've got RedMegs.
Like there's all these different media standards
and SD while it is still absolutely the standard
when it comes to photography is not,
yeah, it's not the end game anymore
when it comes to video recording.
So I see where they're coming from.
I'd still rather have the SD card slot
than not have it though.
So you don't want to smack them anymore?
Oh, I, all right, I won't smack them.
Who is it?
It's Jayden.
Jayden.
Jayden.
Yeah, he has a good point, sort of.
I like the type A argument a lot more.
And he did say in response,
he said 100% to the type A instead.
Oh yeah, I haven't been watching floatplane chat.
It's me, this is obvious.
No, it wasn't that obvious.
I actually don't know what mobile devices.
We have a fair number of Mac users now, Jayden.
Like there's Horst, Sarah, Lloyd, off the top of my head,
Jake daily drives a MacBook and not an M1,
but like there, that's four.
Mark and Andy are both heavy Mac users.
So the two of our editors, that is half a dozen people.
I have no idea what kind of computers like logistics uses.
I mean, okay, I know there's no way Kalinan uses a Mac,
but like-
I can understand when you're very port limited
and one of them is a port that you will never use
wishing that that port was something else.
I think the type A argument is probably stronger
than the another type C argument,
but I can kind of understand it to a little bit.
HDMI is not a waste.
I would rather plug HDMI directly into a computer
than dongle it out.
100%, dongling it is a pain in the butt
because it's something that I use all the time.
Now let's talk about-
It's also a heavy cable generally.
Yes, and it puts a lot of strain on a type C port.
It's nice to have that nice secure,
and I'm really glad they went full-sized HDMI
because mini HDMI and micro HDMI-
You're being heavily misinterpreted today.
Are both pieces of garbage.
All right, so HDMI 2.0 though.
HDMI 2.0, should this be acceptable in this day and age?
I thought that was pretty disappointing.
Yeah, I was pretty annoyed about that.
I'm going to play devil's advocate and say I don't care.
It probably doesn't matter,
but I still don't think if you're buying
a somewhat bleeding edge product
that it should come with the previous generation
of a connector.
So HDMI 2.0 is good for 4K 60,
which is the only thing that you are realistically
going to plug this computer into
in a professional work environment
for the foreseeable future.
Because if you wanted to go 4K 120
or five or 6K or whatever,
you got your XDR display or whatever,
so you want to plug into something else,
you're going to use one of your type C connectors.
You're not going to be using HDMI.
So it's not like the laptop doesn't have the capability
of driving these higher resolution
or higher refresh rate displays.
It's just that, yeah, you might need a special,
you might need a special cable for it
or something like that.
Because it's not like there won't be thunderbolt
or rather a display port to HDMI 2.1 dongles.
In fact, I believe type C display port to HDMI 2.1.
I believe these already exist.
Don't quote me on that.
But 4K 120 Hertz and 8K, yep, here it is.
So that was super easy to find.
And I think that if you are one of the very few people
that is going to be driving a 4K 120 Hertz display
off of your MacBook,
this is a fine solution for $38 and 99 cents.
That's Canadian, so it's like 30 bucks US.
There, devil's advocate.
I think from a functionality perspective,
it's not gonna matter to the vast majority of people.
You're a professor, you do lectures or whatever,
you plug into your projection system.
I agree, it just doesn't feel like complete or clean.
Like I don't understand why you would bother step it down.
I mean-
When it's already on such an expensive device,
like why not just give them the-
When it comes to display connectivity on this thing,
it's not the most incomplete thing.
That's fair.
Let's talk about the notch.
Oh, oh.
Now I've seen arguments a couple of different ways
for the notch.
One of the ways that I've seen it is,
Apple's gotta make room for when they add face ID.
Okay, that's a really, really stupid argument.
Yeah, wow.
Because of it, yeah.
I mean, no offense, but you're an idiot.
No offense, no offense,
but you're actually like defective.
Because if the feature is not there,
then no, they do not in fact need to leave room for it.
That's the worst.
That's the worst take ever.
Okay, but I have actually seen
some pretty solid arguments for it.
So let me hit you with some of these.
Without the notch space,
it is a 16 by 10 display,
which is already great.
Yes.
So everything to the left and the right of the notch
is bonus and you should view it as such.
Okay, thoughts.
I feel like a lot of content
is gonna struggle with that notch.
Like what if you full,
like screwing with an aspect ratio
doesn't mean that you have bonus screen space.
Screwing with an aspect ratio means that
a lot of things are gonna feel weird on your computer.
Okay, all right.
Now, let me hit you again.
This is another of the more solid arguments
that I've heard for the notch.
It happens to be exactly the number of pixels and height
as the top bar on the Mac.
Something that you're basically stuck with,
except when you're viewing full screen content,
the vast majority of which will be 16 by nine
if we're talking about content consumption or even narrower.
So there's another argument for
that the notch is really not in the way,
it's just giving you extra bonus screen real estate
that you otherwise wouldn't have.
My thing is how aesthetically unpleasing it is
when I'm not watching something full screen.
I've used a decent amount of phones with notches on them
for, to be completely honest,
a relatively short period of time.
And when you full screen something,
especially if it would like black bar on the side
or if it has a dark background,
it's not really that big of a problem.
But it's awkward and weird to use when I'm not doing that,
when I'm doing other things,
it like looks bad or whatever else.
That's my main complaint with notches.
So the best argument that I think I've heard
and not the best in terms of like the most
carefully balanced, well constructed argument-
Oh, people are mentioning that we need to point out
that you have framework investment.
Oh, sure, yes.
Yes, I'm invested in framework.
The best argument that I have heard for the notch
is that for better or for worse,
Apple, and this is really a big part
of where my initial discussion came from,
Apple has clearly telegraphed
that they are willing to put function before form.
Yeah, because it doesn't look good.
That was my whole-
Yeah, because it looks terrible.
It looks really bad.
And someone there has to know that it looks terrible.
And I think there's even more elegant ways to accomplish,
like you were saying, it's so big because it,
or you were mentioning that one of the arguments, sorry,
was that it's so big that it has to accommodate face ID
or whatever, which is, yeah.
I mean, you've said your opinion on that one and I agree.
But there's, look at phones.
There's way more elegant ways to do it.
If they did like a punch hole thing,
I still would have not liked it.
Yeah.
But it would have been more elegant.
It would have been a better solution
instead of this like massive block,
which there's like no way they need that much space.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, that's-
Webcams are trash anyways.
To be clear.
I was almost wondering at a certain point
when they would just leave the webcam behind.
No, because too much of Apple's product positioning
is around connecting people.
Okay, yeah.
And so a lot of what they, I mean,
FaceTime is such a big push for them over the last,
I mean, when did FaceTime come out?
I can't even remember.
It's been quite a while.
iPhone 4S or something like that.
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Yeah, I don't remember anymore.
It was a long, long time ago.
And honestly, I'm with them.
I think you've got to keep the webcam.
I do too.
I was just, I thought if someone would ditch it,
it would be Apple.
But I think you're right about the connecting people thing.
Someone at Full Plane Chat,
or Lazy Elephant in Full Plane Chat said,
is the webcam not getting better?
I believe it is getting better.
Yep.
But if you hear the specs,
it sounds like it's getting better to like a 2008 standard.
Well, it depends, right?
Because if you want to compare against, you know-
Other laptop webcams?
Yeah, you want to compare against Dell's
extremely high screen to bezel ratio,
just high screen to bezel ratio laptops.
It's way better than where they're at today.
It's genuinely difficult to get
like nice high performance webcams
in a bezel that is really small,
which is why I understand
why they have this big blocky thing.
You know what?
I'm just kind of surprised that no one's done.
Like what I, I mean, you know,
maybe I wouldn't have preferred it.
Maybe I would have criticized it,
but maybe I would have preferred like a tab.
Rather than have the entire laptop
be completely rectangular,
have the webcam be a bump.
There's examples of that that's happened before.
I think that was much more of a old school thing.
I think Apple people would hate it.
You think so?
More than having a chunk out of your display.
It's not this like perfect, clean-
Neither is having a chunk out of your display.
I think if Apple presented it as the best thing ever,
if they accepted a notch in the display,
I don't see why they wouldn't accept
a bump out of the display.
Like I don't, I don't see the difference.
Yeah, I think people wouldn't like it.
I think messing with the body
and the external aesthetic of the computer would,
because they're status symbol things, right?
Yeah, but remember-
I mean, Apple could probably find a way to make it
so that like, oh, it's a status symbol to have the bump.
Of course they could.
I mean, they managed to turn it into a status symbol
to have a different color background
on your stupid text messages.
I mean, like, let's get real here, right?
It's not about what it is.
It's about what it represents.
And if what it represented was, hey,
I've got the latest gen MacBook that has this like banging,
you know, awesome webcam in it or whatever,
I think they probably could have gotten away with that.
Conrad says, I like the notch.
Think of it as giving you more screen area
rather than taking away a small area.
It's, that's what Linus was just saying though.
It's they're going for function over form.
Yep, absolutely.
Because that argument is purely,
I'm getting more screen area, which is fine.
And there is a positive argument for that,
but that's a very kind of not Apple approach.
I mean, except when, you know,
they pulled the same thing with the iPhone 10
and put a notch on that display.
I mean, there's clearly a precedent for this.
Yeah.
There's other really good things about the display.
I mean, it's got the same mini LED backlight
as their other XDR screens, or at least the same approach.
I haven't actually looked at exactly
what the performance is like.
We're not hands-on with it yet,
but it looks freaking, looks freaking awesome on paper.
It's got a high refresh rate.
It's got, it's high refresh rate.
So it runs it up to 120 Hertz.
And more importantly, it seems to be adaptive.
Anywhere from 24 to 120 Hertz,
that's going to be great for battery life.
And for, I mean, dare I say it, gaming on a Mac?
Hey, they've got Apple Arcade.
There are games you can play on a Mac.
You could, I was about to say, you could,
you could run Windows.
No, you can't.
The SSDs are up to 7.4 gigabytes per second.
That's utterly meaningless.
Other than just that,
it tells us they're running on PCIe Gen 4.
It doesn't, it doesn't actually tell us
how the controller handles random transactions,
which is really more meaningful
in terms of real-world performance.
I had a good question in the floatplane chat.
I've scrolled way past it now, but someone was like,
hey, would you guys consider, you know, editing on M1 Max?
And I think, I think it was MaxMAX,
like the top end M1 Max.
Right, yeah.
Already annoying.
If you're editing on M1 Max, do you guys use ProRes?
We are a premiere shop for the time being,
and right now we're shooting on Sony.
So no, we're not recording in ProRes.
And I think we're gonna be moving
completely over to Sony cameras.
The performance, especially in challenging
lighting conditions is just outstanding.
So there would be, there would be no reason
for us to make a move right now like that.
And at any rate, we would not be using notebooks for that.
We'd be waiting to see what Apple comes out with
for a desktop, and I think the entire professional community
is waiting with bated breath to see
where Apple goes with the Mac Pro.
I'm gonna come out and say,
I wouldn't actually be that surprised
if they did one more generation of Intel-based Mac Pro.
Cascade Lake, or excuse me, Cascade Lake,
no, not Cascade Lake.
Sapphire Rapids is the upcoming Intel Xeon architecture,
and the word on the street is that
Sapphire Rapids is gonna be pretty ballin'.
So that would allow them to,
without doing a complete redesign,
release an updated Mac Pro that maintains compatibility
for Afterburner and whatever other workflows
people have built around that particular machine.
Yeah, and I wouldn't be too surprised either
because I know Gelsinger's trying to make it a thing.
Yeah.
Five days ago, Gelsinger mentioned,
this isn't in the docs, I don't have this
perfectly in front of me.
Pat Gelsinger, Intel CEO.
Yes, mentioned that he wants Intel back.
Sorry, Apple back, he wants to be working with Apple.
I mean, he got Intel back.
He did, yeah, mission accomplished.
Round two.
Good job, everyone.
Yeah.
Pack it up, we're going home.
We did it, but yeah, he wants Apple back.
So I mean, they're kind of already going down the M1 line.
I don't think they're gonna abandon that necessarily, but.
Not in mobile, not anytime soon.
Yeah, but there's other options, so.
Oh, people are freaking out over us changing cameras.
Total Wire says, what happened to the Blackmagic cameras?
Honestly, they're just, the footage is heavy.
There's no clear image quality benefit
going from 8K to 12K, at least not on that sensor.
They don't perform well in low light.
We're just.
What about the reds?
Recording to over USB-C to SSDs has been extremely flaky.
As for the reds, we are gonna hold on
to two of our three reds, two of our four reds.
We've got a V-Raptor, we've got a DSMC2,
we've got a weapon, and we've got an Epic W.
We are gonna ditch the Epic W,
and we're gonna ditch the V-Raptor,
because we don't feel like acquiring new media.
And we've got a ton of accessories for the old reds,
but I think that in terms of day-to-day shoots,
they're probably not gonna see a lot of mileage anymore.
I mean, we've got a ton of hours on those cameras.
They have absolutely, they have serviced.
They've done some work, yeah.
Extremely well. For sure.
And they're still gonna continue to be useful,
because if we wanna do something like a car shoot,
everyone, everyone is set up for red DSMC2,
which is the same body size and shape
as the Epic W and the weapon.
So when we hire out a crew to man a camera car,
like, we're gonna put the red on it,
because we don't wanna screw around, you know?
You don't wanna waste everybody's time.
So we're gonna hold on to two of our 8K reds,
one of which does 8K 60, one of which-
It's not ditching $50,000 worth of cameras.
Oh no, they both do 8K 60.
Yeah, we're not, what do you mean?
They're not being ditched.
What?
That is like, Linus casually talking about
ditching $50,000 worth of cameras.
Like, nah, dude, that's not how anything works.
I'm gonna sell them, dog.
What do you think this is?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, no, no, they're all going-
I didn't even have to like, know that.
There's just no way that's gonna be a thing.
They're all going up for sale.
Yeah.
I think Brandon wants to keep a Blackmagic Pocket around,
but I think that's gonna be, that's gonna be the end.
Yep, so we're going FX, FX6, I think,
is gonna be our main workhorse.
FX6, Sony.
I can't remember the models.
Their models are confusing to me,
but basically it's the A7S III sensor
in a more flexible body with more IO
and more controls and all that kind of stuff.
We're gonna have an A7S III or II,
and then I believe there's one other body size
that uses a very similar sensor,
and they talked me into getting one of those
or something, I think.
I can't remember the exact details,
but we're gonna come out not too far behind
because the Sonys are priced really well,
and there's a sort of camera shortage right now,
so we're gonna be able to take advantage of that
to get rid of some of our cameras
at not as much of a loss as we would have had to take.
Yeah.
So, yeah, at least we won't eat it too hard
on some of those mistakes that we made.
Yeah.
Do we wanna finish off the Apple stuff?
Do you wanna talk about AirPods and HomePod Mini,
anything like that?
Yeah, AirPods, they generally look great.
MagSafe charging fixes one of the only problems I have
with Apple's wireless charging on their headphones,
just kind of, I mean, I don't have this problem
because I'm actually using that Put It Anywhere You Want pad
that we got that was actually the first short circuit video.
I took it home because I was like, this thing's great.
You just chuck it on it, and it just charges.
So I use that,
but if you're using a regular Qi charging pad,
you kind of have to play around with it
to get it in just the right spot,
and MagSafe is great for that.
I like the shape.
I think the Pro shape is way more comfortable
than the AirPods first and second gen shape,
and the shape looks extremely similar, maybe the same.
I haven't looked at that closely at it.
I'll definitely check them out.
I wanna review them
because as much as you'll pry my AirPods Pros
from my cold, dead hands,
man, that active noise cancellation.
I'd be really interested to try out the new Adaptive EQ.
Longer battery life sounds great.
To be clear, actually, you know what?
And again, I gotta include some disclosure here
because LG did sponsor the video about them,
but their latest tone freeze, outstanding.
Extremely comfortable.
I'd say that they are the closest thing
to AirPods Pro comfort that I have yet encountered,
and the only reason that I haven't tried to daily drive them
because they are a way better experience on Android.
LG's app is not perfect,
but it's a lot better than the company
basically maliciously going out of their way
to make the product not as functional on your phone.
So the only reason I'm not daily driving them
is that Plouffe, who was the writer for that video,
immediately after we stopped filming it was like,
wow, you kind of sold me.
Can I take these on my trip I'm going on and try them?
I was like, oh yeah, I was gonna take them, but sure.
I mean, you did all the work, so.
So I really wanna try out the tone freeze.
Again, disclosure, they sponsored the video on it,
but they're not sponsoring this.
They sound really solid and they're extremely comfortable.
So I'm really excited to see the new third gen AirPods
cause they look like they're gonna be really comfortable.
HomePod mini, who cares?
Apple Music.
Oh yeah, right, the cheap voice plan
so you can only use Siri.
That sounds like the kind of thing
that's just extremely broken.
Really weird.
Yeah, if Siri was so great, why is it cheaper?
And why are you-
That's a really weird location.
Why are you inconveniencing your customer who pays you?
Yeah, it's a really, really, really awkward limitation.
If you can afford to license the music,
like if you can afford to pay the licensing cost
of the music to stream to this customer,
then at that price,
then shouldn't they just be able to listen
to the music they wanna listen to?
It's really odd.
Yeah, it was really odd.
Almost as odd as if I were to forget to talk
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Hold on, can I, wait, they do?
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Hold on, can you show me this?
I don't think Corsair has controllers.
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It's a green screen game?
Yeah, it's probably-
So put something that isn't a racing game there.
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Okay, hold on, hold on.
Maybe this is supposed to be,
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Oh, who does that?
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I did not recognize the name on the docs.
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Hold on a second.
You know what?
I think I was on their blog just the other day.
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Man, you know what?
I'm not supposed to eat the jerky that they send me,
except on stream.
But I was like gaming the other night.
I was just like, I mowed down an entire pack
of the maple Buffalo bacon.
Which speaking of the Linux challenge,
I don't know if you saw my Steam message last night.
What?
No, I didn't.
There's another, so, okay.
So we've brought up that not only do I probably game
significantly more than Linus.
Yeah.
So I spend more time on it.
Oh, you're not going to go after me for this, are you?
That's so stupid.
I also work on it.
Well, I'm not going after you for it.
You're going after,
the fact that you're bringing it up
means you're going after me for it.
Linus has a separate computer that he plays VR games on.
What would you have me do?
I can't play VR games.
What would you have me do?
What would you have me do?
I would, I would, no, no, no, no.
You don't get to turn this around.
What would you have me do?
You got to take a month off.
What?
Look, Beat Saber is part of my exercise regimen.
Seriously.
I'm not even, okay.
Okay.
So would you have me, okay.
My lighthouses are literally wired into my attic space.
They are under 18 inches of blown cellulose insulation now.
All the wiring for it.
What would you have me do?
You don't know.
Do I have to move them?
Why?
What do you mean why?
You wouldn't have to move them.
Have you seen my personal gaming machine?
Would you have me carry it downstairs?
You could wire that one.
You could reformat your Media Center PC to Linux.
I don't actually want you to.
I just want it to complain.
I don't actually want anything to change.
I was streaming Beat Saber last night from, yes,
my Windows Media Center PC.
Oh, streaming too, interesting.
I was streaming because streaming is,
it actually incentivizes me to go for longer.
Having the chat to interact with keeps me going.
They request songs and stuff like that.
And so it keeps me motivated to keep playing.
I do not think that that was an entirely unreasonable thing
for me to do.
And it's the first time that I've actually even,
no, it's the second time I've played.
It's the first time I've streamed.
I was not going to be playing a different game otherwise.
By the way, this is the first week
that we haven't managed to film a part of the challenge.
I wanted to propose something to you.
Can we change it up and do the do regular stuff one
next week rather than the get all the game launchers
working one?
Because I think we're both probably farther along
on that one.
I know you're farther along on the game launchers one,
but I'm not.
I'm like done that one.
Yeah.
So can we do the like perform regular tasks one first?
Cause I've spent most of my time screwing around with that.
Doing regular tasks.
Far less of my time actually playing games.
In fact, if I had a gaming addiction,
I think one of the best things that I could do for myself
is install Linux because it turns it into such a chore
to get it working that it's like,
it honestly does take some of the fun out of it.
Yeah.
There's also like lots of other problems.
To be clear, I have not put a ton of time
into solving some of these problems yet.
So once I do, it is entirely possible
that you guys will see,
you guys will hear an entirely different tune from me
when part three or four,
whatever it ends up being rolls around.
And also to be clear, our stories are quite different.
We've had very different experiences.
There'll be some similar threads.
There will be some similar threads a hundred percent.
I might be distro hopping.
Really?
Yep.
I've considered it already.
But I've already invested so much.
That's the, I don't want to.
Manjaro things.
Yeah.
I've already set up so many things on Manjaro
that then if I then have to not only figure out
how to do one another distro,
I even just have to figure out how to do them again.
Like I'm getting to the point
where I'm kind of comfortable.
When I need to install an application,
I can either use PAMAC,
which is their like graphical user interface version,
or for whatever reason, I can't find it through PAMAC.
I know how to use Pac-Man.
I know how to override the by default
blocked Arch user repository.
I know how to go get things from there.
Like I've kind of figured out how to use my computer.
I really don't want to start over.
One of my things, and I don't want to start over either.
One of my things is I've shown you,
I've complained to you and shown you at least once
my windows lagging problem, right?
Yeah.
I finally was like, I have to solve this.
I'm so tired of this.
Cause part of it was like, I just started using
like maximize and minimize and stuff like that
to move windows around more and snapping
so that I wouldn't drag them.
Cause it was like actually just driving me nuts.
But it got to the point where I was like,
sometimes you just have to drag things.
And it's really annoying when it just lags
all over the place.
And it's like genuinely a horrible experience.
So I dove into it.
It's been an open issue on my desktop environment
since 2013.
So I, I think I have to go.
I cannot stay here.
It is not home.
I must leave.
So I think I have to like redo basically everything.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that because there's still like
more than two weeks left in the challenge.
Like there's a lot of.
Well, that's my whole thing is like,
am I going to deal with this windows lagging issue
that I know I can't fix?
Yeah, for a really long time, genuinely.
And like, I don't, I don't think so, no.
All right.
And I, I I've seen some comments in,
in floatplane chat about it.
And I saw some comments about this online.
I have a really overly powerful computer.
It's not that, it's really not that.
Yeah.
Aren't you running like a 2080 TI?
Titan RTX.
Yeah, okay.
So better than a 2080 TI and a Ryzen 5950X.
Tons of RAM.
That is literally.
It's on an NVMe drive.
That is literally as good as it gets.
Every application loads directly off the NVMe drive
that Linux is installed on.
Yeah, okay.
Like it's.
People are saying switching desktop environments
isn't too hard.
It's just tedious.
Yeah.
I don't think it would be hard either.
I've had a bunch of different, Jayden even pointed out,
I'm using a different distro to Luke
and I have the same windows lagging issue.
I looked into it.
Yeah.
This is very prevalent.
Right.
This is a lot more than just the one I'm running.
There's literally dozens of people with this problem.
Yeah.
I even, I, I, yeah.
I've looked into it a fair amount.
There's just fix the issue yourself.
That is a Linux thing, but it hasn't been fixed since 2013.
So I don't think I'm going to give a shot at it
because there's a lot better people
that I'm sure have looked at it.
Oh man.
It's yeah, it's on a lot more distros than this one
with a lot more desktop environments than this one.
There's two that I'm kind of looking into right now.
I haven't decided yet, but we'll figure it out.
All right, man.
We've actually got a lot more stuff
that I wanted to talk about today.
Did you see that a Carmack apparently pushed
for an unlocked version of what was it like?
What is it like the OS or firmware?
I actually, I only skimmed the article this morning
when I was still groggy, but I just,
I just thought it was super cool because the Oculus Go
doesn't have to become complete e-waste
the second that Facebook servers stop, you know,
providing updates for it or,
or stop making the store accessible to it.
Like, you know, something like the original Nintendo Wii,
you know, when you lost access to the Nintendo store,
it's like, oh, well that sucks.
What if I just like wanted to buy more content?
How hard could it possibly have been
to keep maintaining this store?
I mean, it's not like the hardware is changing.
So you could have just left it on a,
on a computer in a corner somewhere, like,
or, or, you know, you could take an approach like this
where you let the community take over.
This is so cool.
This is the first thing that Oculus Facebook,
ever since the acquisition has done,
that I went and that I go and look at it and I will go,
wow, this is so cool.
Like, as we wrote when Nintendo, oh, wow, this is funny.
Ars Technica even talked about
Nintendo shutting down the online servers
for Wii and Nintendo DS back in 2014.
There's no reason that continued online support
for these consoles should be at the whim of a company
that obviously has no financial interest in them anymore.
Exactly, exactly.
They should take steps to release versions
of their server code that allow players
to run their own online infrastructure
after the corporate servers are no longer available
because this is going to destroy entire generations
of not just gaming experiences,
but of computing experiences.
Like you can still go back
and you can experience a Commodore 64
the way that it was experienced back in the 1980s.
You can still do that.
You cannot go back and experience a gaming machine.
Like even, even going back to Windows XP,
like the fact that so many of the gaming services
were online, like you can't install Steam on it anymore.
There are games you might've bought
that you can no longer run on the computer you bought them on.
Yeah.
We're losing, not just, you know, freedom as consumers,
we're losing experiences, we're losing history here.
And it's- This is a huge issue in gaming.
It's the most obvious, I think, in the MMO space.
Sorry. It's the most obvious
in the MMO space. Oh, 100%.
Because the second an MMO goes down, it's all gone forever.
Unless like a pirated community version comes online.
But a lot of times those are missing certain elements.
Missing a lot of things
because they're usually trying to reverse engineer.
So they have to kind of guess how certain mechanics worked.
In a lot of cases, like a lot of the player impact,
whether there was really any or not, is now gone.
Like there's a lot of issues with it.
So this is cool.
Honestly, I'd like to see it be a legal requirement.
If the only way to access your service
that your customer buys, that they pay for,
is through an online server that they run,
if they shut it down, they need to publish it.
That'd be really cool.
I would be very enthusiastically
in support of whatever that was.
I mean, I'm sure if you're someone like an EA,
for example, we can actually use this
to transition into one of our other topics.
You might not be super happy about that
because why would people buy FIFA 2021
if they could just keep playing FIFA 2020
or 2019 or 2018 or 2012 for that matter?
Like if they don't really care about the roster updates,
and certain people will,
but there's definitely going to be a financial risk
to that kind of annual update business model
if people can just continue to play the old games
on community servers and not have to deal with the crap
that comes along with playing it off of VAs.
Not that it will-
What about dealing with...
I feel like we should dive down this topic a little bit.
Sure.
Because I think I immediately jumped in support of that
and I'm still in support of it,
but I think there's some interesting problems
in the modern world, like transactions.
Sure.
Because you're still losing content,
whether you're for that content or not.
I think a lot of people, especially in the MMO space,
when you have to buy the game upfront
and then you have to pay a subscription,
there's a lot of friction.
There's a lot of people that don't like the fact
that there's also digital content stores
in pretty much all of those games.
But there's also games that aren't MMOs
that are server-based that have either microtransactions
or something else.
Yeah, how do you solve that?
Because...
That would probably take the company developing a system
that then makes those way better
because you'd probably have to make it
some form of in-game reward,
which is what people want anyways.
So they'd have to improve the game.
Or they'd have to hand over the keys
to this transaction engine
so that some third party is now making money.
I mean, honestly, that's an interesting model.
So basically what you do is you then say,
okay, we're not going to support this game ourselves anymore
but you have some kind of reasonable,
and you'd probably have to mandate this,
but you have some kind of reasonable split
and someone else can take up the mantle.
And you have to share your income records or whatever.
Yeah, or you have to license it
or whatever the case may be.
But basically, I think you could create
a legal framework for this that goes, okay,
it could provide a number of different options
but at the end of the day, what it falls to
is you have to license it to someone
and it turns into a reverse auction.
So it turns into more like a consignment store.
So you price it at whatever.
And then if no one will take it,
you keep going down, down, down, down, down, down, down
until someone agrees to say, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we'll do it for that.
And so you get these kind of tier two gaming companies
that are ultimately kind of maintaining these older games.
I think it could work.
I think that-
I'm sure there's problems we haven't thought of
but it sounds super cool to me.
I'm sure there's a thousand problems
that we haven't thought of.
And one of the biggest problems that we haven't brought up
is that you would need lawmakers
that actually understand the issues at play.
And that's clearly not a thing
with the number of not just boomers
but like aging boomers who just clearly have no idea
what's going on in this high-tech world that we all live in
that are in positions of power these days.
We're gonna get into something related to that in a moment
but first let's talk about,
I used EA and FIFA as an example for a specific reason.
And that's because that relationship
might be coming to an end.
That's right.
One of, if not the most financially successful game licenses
might soon be up for grabs
because the current contract between EA and FIFA
ends in 2022.
Yeah, just before you keep going,
if you're not a sports gamer,
which I find a lot of people either
basically only play sports games
and maybe racing games
or they don't play those pretty much at all
or maybe just racing games kind of float in between.
But FIFA makes an incredible amount of money
on microtransactions.
And there's some really interesting content online
about that so maybe something to jump into.
So the partnership started in the early 90s
with FIFA International Soccer on the Sega Mega Drive.
New York Times claims talks have stalled between the two
to continue the relationship.
FIFA reportedly wants more than double
the cut that they were receiving before FIFA,
more than double the cut they were receiving before.
FIFA 21 apparently generated 1.34 billion in revenue
for fiscal Q4.
Fiscal Q4, that's a single quarter.
This is a $5 billion a year business.
Wow.
Now to put this in perspective,
EA's full year revenue was, wait a second.
Yeah, this seems to be confused.
So hold on a second.
FIFA 2021 revenue EA, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
In its fiscal Q4, okay.
Apparently this article that was the source here
made a mistake.
Maybe they mean at the start of Q4
for the year it was 1.34?
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
This is very confusing.
EA's full year revenue reached 5.6 billion.
29% of that total came from ultimate team modes.
Oh, wait, hold on a second.
Okay, yeah, I think something got lost
in translation a little bit.
So full year revenue for like ultimate team mode.
Wait, what?
Okay, you know what?
I have no idea.
The point is FIFA generates a ton of money, billions.
And it's a massive percentage of their take home.
But yeah, whatever.
FIFA ultimate team, buy packs, get player cards,
make a team, whatever.
The point is if this deal, if a deal isn't reached,
don't expect a FIFA game anytime soon
because it'll kind of take a minute.
To make a brand new soccer game from scratch.
Although they could partner with Konami or 2K
who both have soccer games or European football, football,
soccer, not American football.
I don't know, whatever.
I'm not gonna get into that.
All right, let's get into this whole situation
where the Missouri governor vows to prosecute the F12 key.
This is going nowhere.
Hit me, Luke.
Let's do it.
Let's talk about this.
Missouri governor Mike Parson, Parson probably,
is vowing to prosecute the St. Louis post-dispatch
after the newspaper uncovered a security vulnerability
on the department, and it actually really is one,
on the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education
or the DESE website.
The vulnerability, social security numbers
were being included in the source for pages served
by the teacher credentials lookup portal.
Horrible, super bad.
Massive vulnerability.
The governor described decoding the HTML source code,
bit of a interesting phrasing there,
to find this info as a multi-step criminal process.
Wow, I'm going to jail.
Referring indirectly to a browser's inspect element
or view source function,
which is built into every single browser
and is how the internet works.
Yeah, big, big, rough one there.
Therefore, the state of Missouri has declared war
on the F12 key.
The governor followed up with a tweet saying
that it wasn't a simple right click attaching screenshots
of Missouri law rather than actually substantiating
this claim in any way, shape or form.
Just in case you don't know, HTML is what is sent
to your browser to inform your browser
of how to do things.
It is public, it is interpreted by your browser.
That is why things like ad block and whatnot,
other stuff can kind of work because it is interpretation
of what is sent to you.
That's why things can look different on different browsers,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
It's, yeah.
The server should not be sending this info to begin with.
We're talking about the social security numbers.
It shouldn't be sent in any way, shape or form,
obfuscated or not, encrypted or not, doesn't matter.
That should not be sent, like I don't want
the encryption key for my social security number
to be sent in through HTML on someone's webpage.
That would be really stupid, that'd be horrible.
Even if it's encrypted, just why.
Anthony's discussion questions on this are amazing.
How far could this go seeing as Governor Parson
seems to be doubling down on being an out of touch Luddite?
Can HTML source code provided by a web server
ever be considered private information?
Could this be legislated?
It's a good question too.
And perhaps most importantly,
should journalists be prosecuted
for discovering vulnerabilities
and disclosing them to the public?
It's like an author putting someone's social security number
in the index of a book and then being like,
you're not supposed to look there.
Don't look at that.
That's illegal.
That's illegal.
I don't know.
You don't have permission to have it.
This is ridiculous.
There's no way this goes anywhere.
I can't believe he doubled down.
I can't believe. I can.
Why are you surprised by this?
Like in politics, there's basically two ways of behaving.
One is you acknowledge you made a mistake and fix it.
And the other is to do what politicians do.
Double down.
You double down.
Make some drama, you name up there.
I mean, to be clear, not all, not all.
And I'm not gonna get into any kinds of generalizations,
but it doesn't surprise me that much.
Yeah.
Is what I'll say about that.
It's disappointing.
Hopefully, if this goes any further
than it has already gone,
it gets immediately thrown out by someone
with an ounce of reason.
Can I just say that I am determined
to not be this out of touch to my kids?
I will not accept it.
Yeah, it takes some action though, right?
Like especially when you get to the point of retiring.
Like there's that whole thing about where
a lot of people's health just like tanks
the second they retire,
because they just stop doing anything.
They stop thinking about anything.
They just like shut down
and humans don't really work that well in that environment.
So you just gotta keep doing stuff.
My mom, I don't know if she's watching this,
is taking an IT course.
That's pretty cool.
That's great.
And she's like actually doing pretty okay.
She published a website.
I love it.
It's pretty simple, but it's there.
It's cool.
She knows more about HTML code than this guy.
Nice.
Yeah, all right.
Man, that almost felt like our regular show reference.
Did you ever watch regular show?
No.
Okay, there's this character, Muscle Man,
and his punchline for like every joke is,
instead of your mom, it's my mom.
It's like, you know who knows HTML code
better than this governor?
My mom.
Yeah, pretty much.
All right, as if we needed more reasons,
we have another one to hate DRM on games.
Nice.
It looks like Alder Lake
may have incompatibility issues
with older DRM protected games.
Oh my goodness, this totally makes sense.
Intel's developer guide states
that the problem is that older games
that are no longer actively being patched
include DRM that may get confused
by their big little architecture
because some DRM uses CPU detection as part of its routines
and big little is going to be confusing to it.
And if you've been following the WAN show for a long time,
you'll know that Denuvo and some other ones,
but definitely Denuvo does that and to a big degree.
So, yep, makes sense.
So there's some questions here.
Could we possibly get around this with a virtualized,
like a virtual, like a kind of a transparent to the user,
hey, let's quickly pass through all of our hardware to a VM
except not efficiency cores because they're confusing.
Could we run this in like a compatibility mode?
Is that something that, you know,
Microsoft and Intel could work together on?
That seems possible.
I think so.
But you'd have to get Nvidia to play ball.
They would have to allow a GPU pass through in that way.
And I suspect that they won't do it
because the second they allow that,
you're going to have people using it as a workaround
to finally get proper GPU virtualization
working on consumer cards.
It is kind of a way that people have gotten around things
in the past, though you can emulate
different types of hardware, so.
Well, it wouldn't be emulation.
It would be Nvidia allowing their GPU cores
to be sliced up in the same way that CPU cores now.
They only allow it on their enterprise cards now.
I believe you can also do with emulation,
but you'd lose like an incredible amount of performance,
so it wouldn't be a thing for a really long time.
If it's only older games, it might be okay eventually.
Eventually, yeah.
I think this would be a really, really tough thing to do
in the near future.
Yeah, I mean, you can emulate,
actually, you know what, that might be,
that might be a pretty good answer
because you can emulate old CPUs already,
but you wouldn't even have to emulate the CPU
because your CPU, you could just pass through.
You could use virtualization for the CPU,
and then you could emulate the functionality of the GPU,
which might be somewhat easier to do.
My understanding is CPU emulation is more difficult,
but don't quote me on that.
I don't know, yeah.
In fact, I'd love it if there are some developers
in the audience that could help point us
in the right direction on that.
Anyone on Floatplane Chat?
Luke's gonna be checking on it.
I'll see it.
For the next little bit here.
There's a couple more discussion points here.
Intel is apparently working with DRM providers,
such as Denuvo, to ensure these new platforms are supported.
So that'll be great for newer titles
that are still being patched by their developers,
but there is no telling what's gonna happen to older games.
They're probably gonna get abandoned.
Is it gonna be worth upgrading to Alder Lake
if it means that you can't easily play
a bunch of your older games?
Should the DRM for these titles simply be turned off?
Okay, well, that's an obvious answer.
Yes, yes, it should.
And that has happened.
We know it's possible.
Yeah, it's 100% possible.
I mean, like, GOG is evidence
that that is totally possible and totally a thing.
According to leaks from Micro Center,
pricing and specs for the Core i9-12900K
are as follows, 16 cores,
so eight performance, eight efficient, 24 threads,
so that's two per performance core
and only one per efficiency core,
3.2 gigahertz base, 5.2 gigahertz turbo,
30 megs of level three cache,
425 watt thermal power, we'll see,
DDR4 3200 or DDR5 4800
and coming in at $669, nice.
That's a lot of money.
That part's not nice, but the number is nice.
You know what else is nice?
LTT Store finally has gift cards.
That's right, my friends.
There's no way Sarah didn't do this artwork.
You can get LTT gift cards in various denominations,
10, 25, $50, $100,
I love that it looks like a mouse pad,
and $250, that's right.
Give the gift of lttstore.com to your loved ones today
at lttstore.com slash products slash gift card.
Hey, pretty cool.
All right, you know what?
There was that story that I said on the pre-show
that I was gonna tell about how it feels
like people take my on-camera persona,
like when I will tease someone
or when I will get angry about something
extremely seriously sometimes,
and to the point where I kind of feel like
there's some people in our viewership
that cannot tell the difference between video content
that they're watching and reality.
And an example of this is I was looking back
at one of our videos recently.
It was on wake up tech.
So it was five gadgets designed to help you wake up.
And one of the things that happens in that video is,
do you remember how we got on this subject?
Like what it was that someone was mad about
that I was sort of confused by,
like obviously this was a thing that was not real,
but they were super mad about it.
I think it was something in the pre-show,
but I don't remember.
Yeah, I can't remember.
Anyway, the point is there was a comment on this video.
Oh, oh, you said you were a genius.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right.
The number of people that hear me say things like that
and hear you say, well, I don't know,
you always told me you're a genius,
so I just assumed you were.
You know, like the number of people
that seem to take comments like that
and interpret them as how I actually feel
and how you actually feel, it just, it blows my mind.
What do you mean? I do feel that way.
Like communication is not literal, right?
Like there's tonality, right?
There's, you have to understand the relationship
between the people who are talking to each other.
You have to assume the best of people, you know, right?
But anyway, I can see that there's a lot of people
that don't really seem to be capable of that.
So there's a scene in that video
where as part of our B-roll,
I'm sleeping in bed and Alex comes up with a cup of water
and throws it in my face suddenly.
And I wake up and I start like screaming at him.
And there's a comment that's like,
wow, Linus is normally so chill
and it's really weird to see him so angry.
I'm looking at it going, thank you.
Thank you, because that is so flattering.
Apparently my acting skills are so Oscar level
that you cannot tell the difference between me obviously
pretending to be angry.
I mean, why would there have been a camera pointed at this?
If I was actually sleeping, why would I be in the office?
Why would there be a camera rolling?
Why would Alex come up and throw water in my face?
Why would any of these things happen?
Sounds totally normal to me.
If your brain goes straight to,
this is an actual thing that actually happened
and Linus is actually angry.
You gotta take a few steps back and go, hold on a second.
How would the chain of events
that brought us to this point ever have possibly occurred?
I was mostly just surprised you guys
threw that much water onto a bed.
Oh, it wasn't that much.
And that was my main concern.
I didn't care how much water he threw at me.
I just wanted it to be little enough that A,
it wouldn't cause something to grow in the bed
or something like that.
And B, if we had to do another take,
it wouldn't be obvious that the bed was already soaking wet.
If we dumped a bucket of water on it,
you better get it right on the first take.
And we've had problems with stuff like that in the past.
So I don't know, I just,
that was a story I committed to tell during the pre-show,
which is on Twitch and Floatplane.
If you YouTube viewers are wondering what pre-show.
And so I said I would tell it
and I was just kind of like, I was flabbergasted.
And it just, it reminded me of so many times
that I'll read comments that people are like,
really taking seriously, wow, this Linus guy,
like, you know, what an egomaniac.
When you guys got to understand
that I lean into that persona because I think it's funny.
Like, can we all just, can we all just chill?
Like, you know, yeah,
I think I'm a reasonably intelligent human being.
But when I was talking about, right, in the pre-show,
I was saying something like, yeah,
cause you know, my genius level ideas
or something like that.
No, I don't actually think I have a genius level intellect.
It's just, it's just funny.
It's just, it's funny to be verbally ironic,
to say one thing and to mean another
and to have everyone be in on the joke
because it should be quite, it should be quite obvious
that no one should actually be that much
of a like hot air balloon, right?
And yet we have, I guess it's not funny anymore
because there actually are people
who unironically do seem to think and behave that way.
So maybe, maybe I need to not make jokes anymore.
Maybe jokes aren't funny anymore, but I,
no, I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that.
Jokes are still funny.
And if there's going to be a handful of people
that don't get it, then I guess it is what it is.
Yeah.
It is what it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mitchell T says,
that's why we have so many problems in politics
because people believe what politicians say.
Yeah.
Linus not realizing that this is hypocritical.
So, okay, I've read a lot of YouTube comments,
probably literally millions at this point
because I've read thousands of comments
on thousands of videos.
I'm pretty sure, let's say over a million,
definitely over a million.
There is a big difference between people
that are in on the joke.
You can tell.
There's a big difference between people
who are in on the joke and people
who have not understood the joke.
Because you'll often see the ones from people
who have not understood the joke
about things that aren't a joke.
Like it was not the punchline.
It was just a thing that you would have no reason
to glom onto and be like,
ha ha, I am big brain next level,
ready for some r slash whoosh
when people don't get how in on this I am.
There's a huge difference between that
and people who just seem to have no idea
what I was saying or doing.
Maybe they weren't paying attention,
whether it's language barrier,
whatever the case may be.
I'm not gonna be 100% in terms of being able
to tell the difference.
Nothing's perfect, especially not people.
But I've seen enough over the years
that there are definitely some people
who completely misunderstand.
And sometimes it's not even a comment
on one of my videos, right?
Sometimes it's a comment on someone else's video
where I came up as a topic of conversation
and someone will make a remark that's like,
yeah, I stopped watching after X,
after it was clear that Linus doesn't pay his staff well
or something along those lines.
And it's like, yeah, it's funny to joke
about stuff like that.
Actually, when that became a significant PR problem for me,
I was like, Luke, you need to kind of stop joking
about that because yes, in the early days,
like in the very early days of the company
and especially when you were at NCIX,
which wasn't my fault, I wasn't even signing your paychecks.
Yes, you were making extremely bad money,
but I really don't think that that's fair or true anymore.
And I think that I've taken steps to make it not a problem.
So can we stop joking about this
because some people are taking it really seriously.
And between us, it was just kind of like a meme,
but like, yeah, it did end up becoming too much of a thing.
And-
So I stopped, but yeah.
The one that I think we've managed to get away with
is the Colton firing jokes.
Nobody seems to actually take that one seriously,
but I could be mistaken.
Maybe I just haven't seen the comment about it
from someone who actually is deeply concerned
for Colton's mental health with this looming threat
of being fired forever.
Because I believe I was the original-
Yes, I used to fire you all the time.
The only thing that was annoying when that was a thing
was when random audience members would take it too far.
Right.
And then it was just like, okay, just relax.
Can we just be bros and joke with each other?
Can I joke about firing him
and can he joke about me not paying him?
And can you guys just let us do our thing?
Jammer responded, by the way.
That's the person who made the comment about something.
You were responding to their comment.
Sure.
He said, while complaining about people reacting too much
to his online content,
which is not what he's complaining about.
Yeah, no.
See, this is an example of like,
clearly this is not some r slash wush stuff.
This is like, you've just completely misunderstood
what I was talking about at all.
And then the continuation of that,
but now he's overreacting to their online comments.
It's not about overreacting.
It's about like, yeah, like not understanding.
It's about misunderstanding.
Misinterpreting, not understanding.
Yeah, in order to overreact to something,
you have to have like somewhat even remotely
the correct reaction to it and then take it too far.
But if you just have completely missed the point,
it's not an overreaction.
It's just nothing.
It's just random.
It's just putting words on the internet
that have no connection to anything.
I had completely forgotten about this
and I don't remember what video it's in,
but Geomaster337 said LMAO, I remember that segment
where Luke got pissed at Linus
and quit at the Langley house.
I, that was such a huge ego boost.
I had people call me concerned about that.
That was the biggest acting ego boost I've like ever had.
That was amazing.
I don't remember when or why, but I, yeah.
I want to go ahead and I want to just kind of deflate
both your tires and mine a little bit.
Oh, I'm not a good actor.
Because when I was saying before too,
the ego boost it was for my acting skill,
I just want us to all take a step back and go,
this is YouTube where YouTuber apology videos are believed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, even the worst YouTuber apology videos
typically manage a greater than 50% like dislike ratio,
which tells you that half of the people watching it
bought that.
I disagree.
You disagree?
I bet you a certain percentage of them don't care.
Oh, okay, that's fair.
Okay, fine, fine, fine.
So my math is wrong,
but I think it is fair to say that there is a significant,
a significant amount of the audience
that is actually so, I don't know,
is it ignorant?
Is it disconnected?
Is it optimistic?
Maybe they just want to believe in the good in people.
Maybe I'm just cynical.
And that's why it's so easy for me to look at this stuff
and go, yeah, if you actually cared,
you would commit to some kind of something,
some kind of self-inflicted punitive action,
or you would do something,
you would commit to something moving forward.
And a lot of the time you'll have these commitments
to something moving forward,
but committing to, I won't do that again is,
I won't do that specific thing again is not reform.
That's just, oops, I got slapped on the wrist
and I didn't like that slap.
I want this to go away.
And to be clear, I have made apology videos.
I have, but when I've done it,
I've done it in a way that I think was sincere
because it was sincere,
or like I've done it in a way that I think felt sincere
because it was sincere.
The most recent example of me having to apologize
for something was when, without doing my homework,
I called out Tim Sweeney and Epic Games
for some of their claims
regarding the PlayStation 5's storage architecture.
And my apology was sincere
and it wasn't just to Tim Sweeney and Epic Games.
My apology was to you guys because I screwed up.
The other thing is that I didn't wait.
When I screwed up, I came and I owned it,
even though it's something that I could have easily edited
out the segment of the WAN show,
only I think that the most upvoted tweet
about the mistake that I had made-
There wasn't a lot of traction.
Had literally like a dozen or so likes.
Yeah, there wasn't very much traction.
Like dozens of likes.
This was not something that had gained a ton of traction
in the community.
And it was something that I could have easily
just brushed under the rug.
So the reason I made a video about it
was because I felt terrible.
I screwed up.
That is not the kind of mistake that I should be making.
And I want you guys to be able to trust me to,
at the very least, I want you guys to be able to trust
that if I make a mistake like that again,
I will own it again.
And so we can continue to have this relationship
of mutual trust.
I'll trust you guys to keep watching.
You guys will trust me to keep making it worth your while.
Like we rely on each other.
So that was why it mattered.
Or that was why I felt it came across sincere
was because I was.
I wrote it myself.
That was another thing.
There were a lot of people that assumed
that I had a lackey write it for me,
but I had a writing credit on it because I wrote it.
It was my words.
There's a lot of apology videos that you watch.
You just go, you don't talk like that.
You don't, you've never communicated like that before
in your life.
This is clearly something somebody else prepared for you
and I don't buy it.
There's also like, this is the thing where like,
he's literally given an example
of an effectively apology video that was legit.
There are apology videos where they don't talk
like they normally talk,
but it's because they're breaking their persona
and like coming to you as really who they are.
And like, there is some legitimate stuff out there.
There's just also a huge amount of not legitimate stuff.
I also want to address something
because I think I have a funny comment for it.
Someone mentioned about how my self-esteem dropped
because of the acting comments.
No, that happened a really long time ago
when I tried to be an actor when I was a kid
because I am a son of my mother.
So therefore put into every single extracurricular thing
you could possibly imagine.
So I tried to be an actor.
I got less gigs than our dog.
At that point in time,
I knew that was not going to be a thing
and that was okay.
And I moved on.
That was the right thing to do, man.
Yeah.
Man.
I can sort of act being angry and there's no other...
Yeah, you can do angry pretty well.
There's like pretty much no other emotion I can do.
Well, the thing is like,
the thing about acting that I've found,
because just in appearing on cameras so much,
I've had to get better at it.
The thing about it is that a lot of the time,
anyone can do it.
It's just when you're put on the spot, it's hard to do.
Like if I'm sitting having a conversation with a friend
and I want to act mad at them,
or I want to act sad about...
I just, you know, like if I just want to just like
goof around, it's so much easier.
Whereas when you want to like be serious,
like you can get 60% of the way there
just by like acting like you're acting.
Like that's one of the best bits of advice I ever got
is pretend to be acting.
Don't act, just act like you're acting.
Because that helps you elevate it to the level
that the camera needs in order to interpret
what you're doing.
And anyone can get 60% of the way there.
It's to get to that next level
that professionals, you know,
they'll have like these, you know,
traumatic life experiences that they'll like call upon
to like really get them miserable and stuff like that.
The people that can cry on command, like that's nuts.
That's next level, right?
But it's, so that, like being able to do that,
like on command, when the cameras are rolling,
when there's all this pressure
and there's like 40 people around you watching you,
that's really hard.
And I think that's where you see this difference
between the acting skill of a YouTuber or an influencer
and an actual professional.
What is, so I was actually,
do you remember those funk?
The JB crazy says it's because deep down
you are a hangry Luke.
Do you know the, do you remember the funk commercials?
Yes, I do.
There's one of those in particular.
I think my hand gets like fused to the mouse or something.
You did a great job.
I was pretty proud of that.
What, is there an example of something
that you're particularly proud of
that you've done on YouTube
that was more like acting based?
Um, hmm.
Cause there's a difference too.
There's presenting and like putting
a little bit more enthusiasm behind it
instead of just your normal amount.
And then there's like acting,
which is kind of a different thing.
I don't know, nothing that I can think of
that's super intentional.
I don't think I've ever done anything really good.
I don't necessarily think I have either,
but like is there one thing
that you thought you did better
than possibly something else?
I don't know.
Honestly, I'd probably have to lean on the community.
Like I can think of things that I did
that were really funny.
Like I think that time that we did the bit
where I was reading off of like a hostage,
like I was held hostage with a gun to my head
and I was like reading off a script.
We got me all made up.
Like I'd been beat up and stuff.
I remember this, but I don't remember what it was for.
Yeah, it was for an Intel review
because I basically like roasted them
a little bit before that.
Oh yeah.
And so I was like reading this statement.
We had a blue gun to my head
and I was like reading this statement.
To be clear, Intel didn't put us up to that.
And if anything, I'm sure they would have appreciated
if we hadn't done that.
Yeah, yeah.
They've been great to work with over the years.
Can I just say that?
Like, man, Intel has taken a lot of crap from us.
Some of it deserved, some of it not.
And they've continued to work with us in good faith.
They've continued to try to improve the products.
I can't say the same for every company
we've ever worked with.
They make mistakes, they do.
We make mistakes, they've made a lot of mistakes,
but they move past it.
I respect them.
They're professional is what I'll say
about working with Intel.
But anyway, like I thought that was really funny.
I was looking at something the other day.
Oh yeah, I was looking at the office fundraising video
the other day.
Whoa.
I was looking at it because I was-
That's been a minute.
Yeah, I was working on my DDR5 script
and I was like, oh, I wanna,
because in my mind I wanted to open up the DDR5 video
with, wow, it's been,
DDR4 has been with us for longer than you think.
Like, when do you think DDR4 came out?
Wow, yeah, what the heck?
2014.
Yeah, I was thinking it was really early office, wasn't it?
Because I remember getting new DIMMs for a project
and it being like a problem.
2014.
And so I opened that video with,
you ever wake up?
And so that's why I was looking at that wake up tech one
because I wanted that shot of Alex splashing on me.
So I was like, you ever suddenly wake up and realize,
oh my God, it's been seven years
since that thing I thought was yesterday.
And so I'm using the splash
and then I'm using footage
from the office fundraising video
because we're all like baby face.
There's like seven of us working here.
And it's to kind of put in perspective,
like for those of you who have been watching us this long,
DDR5 has been with us since Linus Media Group
was working out of a house.
Like what?
So anyway, that was the point of that.
I think that I did a great job in that video.
I think it was really funny,
but like, I don't think I've ever done anything
where I feel like, oh yeah,
I really like I acted the hell out of that.
I really just don't think it's ever happened.
Yeah.
I'm trying to find the funk mouse commercial
so that I can show the stream.
It's on float plane.
I don't know if it's anywhere else.
I legitimately don't know if it's anywhere else,
but it is on float plane.
Got it.
That makes sense that it wouldn't be live anymore.
You know, YouTube just is full of such weird stuff.
What is this?
What is this thumbnail?
How does this have 9 million views?
Like, I just can't.
I don't know.
I just can't, you know?
If you can find it, that would be great.
In the meantime, why don't I do some super chats?
Sure.
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I might actually have another idea for where to find it.
Nope, nope, that's not gonna work.
All right, let's do some super chats here
while Luke works on that.
Oh my goodness, there's so many.
You guys are not supposed to send this many super chats.
I need you guys to like, I'm...
Okay, how do I do this?
Because I feel like a lot of people will say,
yeah, don't send super chats
because they know it's gonna prompt a flood of super chats.
This is not that.
I cannot read them all.
I actually do not want that many.
Okay, thank you.
LuckDragon, build the far right oligarchical fascist PC
of pure capitalist greed
to offset the extremely unfunny socialist PC
that y'all equated to communism.
Okay, so this is a perfect example of a comment
where you're not the one whooshing everyone.
You're the one who got whooshed.
The fact that we equated socialism and communism
in that video is political commentary.
The commentary is that so many people
criticize both of these systems
without understanding what either of them is.
That's the joke.
That was the whole joke.
That's why we're like her, her, her left,
her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her,
sickle and hammer.
Oh, I know.
I know.
Please, I know.
And it was funny.
You just didn't get the joke because you were the joke.
Ooh.
Well, what?
Ooh.
What?
I'm sorry.
I just...
Boom, roasted.
That's like, and to be clear,
lots of people don't get the joke
because there's this hyper-polarized environment
that we're all in right now
where everything is immediately awful
and the worst thing ever
because it's the opposite of me and everything I
and all my friends and family believe in.
No, no, there's room for nuance.
There's room for shades of gray.
Come on.
Okay.
I got it, by the way.
Good.
Why don't I just get through these
and then we'll show your excellent acting.
Javier Pan says, it's super expensive and the notch is ugly.
I mean, it's no more expensive
than any other MacBook Pro, come on.
Sir Myself sent this literally like two hours ago
before I complained about it.
I know you don't like super chats, Linus.
Stop.
Isaac asks, what inventory software do you use
to keep track of all your tech?
I'm looking for some options.
We're actually just switching.
We were using Asset Manager, which is okay.
And now we're using, what is it called again?
It's built on an open source system called Snipe It.
We've done a very significant amount of custom work,
but yeah, it's built on Snipe It.
Snipe It's very cool.
I'm not trying to discount them.
I'm just, we've done a lot of custom work
to make it better for Linus Media Group specifically.
We're still waiting on you guys to switch to it,
but yeah. So Raven Rock,
again, you don't get it.
Raven Rock says, it's just a joke.
Tell that to people like me
where socialists killed thousands of people, lol.
No, socialism is not a system of beliefs
that has anything to do with killing people.
Don't buy into the branding.
What you're doing is you're buying into the branding
just because something is branded socialist.
Say for example, the BC Liberal Party, okay?
The BC Liberal Party has A,
actually no political affiliation
with our Federal Liberal Party,
which is extremely confusing.
And B is actually the more right-leaning party
in British Columbia compared to our other major party
that actually wins any elections, the NDP.
So you could say, wow,
if only the liberals didn't do all these
fiscally conservative things,
well, screw you liberals,
but you've actually completely misunderstood
what's going on here
because our liberals are not actually left-leaning.
And even the whole idea of this political spectrum,
this right and left,
all it does is oversimplify things
to the point where we're just trying to apply these labels
that are not fitting.
You can't just label things.
You have to look at individual policies.
A policy of killing people is not a socialist policy.
That's a policy of being an asshole.
People are telling me to try to stop you,
but I think this is an important thing
for Lance to get off his chest.
There's someone from Sweden saying our socialism
is very different than Stalinism or whatever.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
In Canada, socialist policies like universal healthcare
literally do the opposite of killing people.
Like they literally do the opposite of killing people.
So you've got to try to look past the branding.
Thank you.
All right, all right.
That's stuff done.
That is my last on the subject.
The extra port hater has to be Riley.
No, not so much.
Let's just blitz through a bunch of these.
Andrew says the webcam isn't important to me at all.
I don't think the quality of your webcam
is important in any context.
Sorry, Andrew, other people talk to people.
So okay, I got to stop.
You're right, Andrew.
Antagonizing all of our most committed viewers.
Boom, roasted.
Want to get roasted by Linus?
Super chat.
No, no.
If you say that, they're going to send super chats.
I'm not roasting anyone else.
Okay, yeah, sorry.
Jake Eagle the Eagle says yo Linus,
new indie game dev here.
Been watching you guys since middle school.
Completed my first build a few months ago.
Finished my second a couple days ago.
Going to be switching cases on my current Sunday.
Hey, love that you're enjoying the hobby.
We enjoy the hobby too.
It's freaking awesome.
And we love it.
Thanks, Axel.
Wants to know when we'll restock the black long sleeve.
I think you mean short circuit shirt,
unless you mean Wancho hoodie,
which is the one that I've been wearing.
So the Wancho hoodie is on a ship.
It's a matter of time.
It's coming.
As for the short circuit long sleeve,
we've been trying really hard to get our own garments going
and it has taken some time, but we are getting there.
We are getting there.
All right.
Dad says, hi, I'm not expecting this to get answered.
If it does, cool.
I'm thinking about upgrading from an LGA 2011 Xeon 8 core
to a Threadripper 1920X running a Windows VM under Ubuntu.
And I was wondering if it was a bad idea.
Only you can tell me if you need more cores.
If you need 16 cores, hey, go for it, buddy.
1920X, I believe that's the 16 core or is that the 24 core?
It's also something I've been kind of recommending
to people lately, which might sound lame, but it's not.
Check out Riley's video on not running ultra specs in games.
Wait, no, the 1920X is a 12 core.
That's right.
The 1950X is the 16 core.
I got my wires crossed.
I forgot that gen one maxed out at 16 cores.
Man, yeah, it's gonna be,
it's not gonna be as big of an upgrade
in certain things as you might think,
but if you really need a lot of cores
because you're big into virtualization,
then it could be a big improvement.
I do think the 19,
I do think the first gen Threadrippers
are a pretty good deal,
especially because you can still get boards new,
at least you could recently.
I talked about this when I did
the badminton streaming setup video
for my son's badminton school.
I went first gen Threadripper
because boards were still available new,
which means that used boards were cheap
instead of the opposite of that,
which happens when you've got
the boards having been discontinued
and the boards start to die,
the CPUs are still working
and the board premium starts to go up and up and up and up.
So I found that it was a very good value for me,
but your mileage may vary.
Alex says, hey, random question.
Has Valve addressed games
that require a separate launcher regarding the Steam Deck?
I think that's something that they are working with
and yes, they have talked about,
or they're working with other game developers
and launcher developers
and that is something they're working on.
It is a big issue with their 100% of the Steam library
is gonna be compatible thing, so.
Matthew says, hey Linus, please bring the beanies back.
You literally are teasing us as long as you speak.
They're back, they're back.
Yeah, the QC issues were to do
with the stitching on the inside.
We fixed all of the original inventory,
so it's back in stock
and we've got a bunch of new colors now as well.
Robotech, about to switch to Linux.
I only play VR.
Might wanna look into that real quick.
Do a little bit of research.
Yeah.
Yep.
Pascal says, hey, as someone who's invested in a big 8K TV,
will there be more 8K videos?
Yes, but I can tell you right now
that given that we're switching over to 4K cameras
for our production, it's gonna be Faco 8K.
We'll just upscale it and it'll look fine
because you're not gonna be able
to tell the difference, got them.
James says, not because it's you,
just because it's really, really hard
to tell the difference.
James says, as someone who daily drives Manjaro,
I'd honestly recommend distrohopping.
It's not beginner-friendly
and KDE isn't particularly beginner-friendly
as a desktop environment.
I mean, what do you mean KDE is not beginner-friendly
as a desktop environment?
It's fine. I haven't heard
my complaints in that regard.
Yeah, there's nothing that's been like,
oh, I can't figure out how to change my mouse sensitivities,
nothing like that.
Oh, Chris says, any idea when the backpack
will be available?
I'm not quoting availability on the backpack.
Vishnu says, I'm on a cross-country trip
on my new motorcycle and the Wancho archive
is the only thing keeping me sane on the long roads.
You guys are great, shout out to Luke.
Need more tech bros like him.
Hey, Luke's a good tech bro.
Nice. 10 out of 10 tech bro.
Heck yeah.
JS2K, in the US, I wish we had the guts
to make all intellectual property go into public domain
after 20 years like we do for patents now.
20 years is plenty of time to recoup
and no code should run that long.
That's actually not a terrible point.
I don't know how it'll ever happen, but yeah.
All right, are we almost at the end here?
Oh, man.
Running into some painful stuff.
Yeah, my brain hurts.
Wanna watch a video?
No, I'm gonna acknowledge one more of these comments.
Oh, is it a political one?
Josh's bookish voyage says,
so if socialist policies literally
do the opposite of killing people,
what does that say about conservative policies
that actively fight against private healthcare?
Okay, for the second half of this,
I have no idea what you're talking about
and maybe there's something specific you're referring to.
For the first part of it,
I didn't say socialist policies
literally do the opposite of killing people.
I said some of them like universal healthcare
specifically does the opposite of killing people
because it's literally healthcare
that literally keeps people alive
instead of them being dead.
You can't stop branding things.
All right, thanks, guys.
Let's watch Luke's video.
All right, I'm jumping over to your-
It's not my video.
Oh, you helped.
I don't wanna, I couldn't do that joke.
Our video?
Yeah, very funny.
Very funny, especially right now.
You've done a good job of making funny jokes.
We do good job.
Okay.
I don't know if there's audio.
It looks like it.
Just bailed.
You did a great job.
Thanks.
You did a great job.
He actually like hurt himself
when he fell off that chair, which is pretty bad.
I think so.
Yeah, we shouldn't have pushed ourselves so hard
for some of that earlier stuff.
Sometimes pushing yourself to your heart's kind of fun.
Hey, aside from archived stuff like that,
that's Floatplane exclusive,
there's some pretty good stuff on Floatplane right now,
including, that's right, ladies and gentlemen,
the first episode of PC or no PC,
our totally non-infringing game show
where people will either win a PC or not win a PC.
Man, that wide camera, I asked them.
I asked them, is it gonna include this like crap down here
at the bottom?
They're like, no, no, no, it won't, dog.
Don't worry about a thing, dog.
So mad.
It looks so ghetto, but the feedback on this
is amazing so far.
Genuinely, yeah, like a lot of the comments
are super positive.
Yeah, it's a really good video.
So that's up in early access.
It's not exclusive, not exclusive.
We've got the new server video up in early access.
So even though we're not committed
to a week's early access,
we're still trying to upload things early,
not least because the Floatplane audience
does a really good job of telling us
when we say something stupid and they've got our backs.
So it's like, hey, thanks, guys.
What was the other thing I was gonna say?
Right, and we're still trying to build Buffer.
So we shot eight videos this week out of a quota of six.
So we actually got some really good stuff shot this week.
We did our ROG X IKEA gaming.
There's an IKEA ROG gaming collection now.
So we did a full gaming setup with that.
We did Ed's Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade.
So you know how Ed's sort of a weird duck?
His house is a reflection of his weird duckness.
That's actually, I'm so much more excited for this video.
It's the weirdest.
Ed's style is really interesting.
He's something, I love Ed, I really do.
Ed is more than just an employee, but absolutely.
I mean, I've been working with Ed for 10 years now.
I love Ed and he's a weird duck.
And he embraces style in a way
that I think a lot of other people don't.
And he embraces his true self
in a way that a lot of people don't.
He's like, yep.
This is me.
I'm a little kooky.
Yep.
So seeing someone's house that's like that
is genuinely exciting.
I'm actually stoked for this.
That's really cool.
It is something else.
To be clear, I'm a weird duck.
I get it.
I get it.
He's a different kind of weird duck.
I think it's just creative types, man.
I think it's just part of the industry that we work in.
Like, I think if you went to a different industry,
you might find a lot more people who are more on the rails.
Whereas, yeah, creatives,
it takes a different kind of mind to think differently.
It really does.
And people that would like YOLO into a startup.
Yeah.
It takes a different kind of person to go,
I am a few months from finishing my program.
Instead of doing that,
I am going to go all in on this weird YouTube thing.
Because it doesn't sound that crazy today,
but you guys got to understand this was nine years ago.
It's really, really not standard.
It was a different environment
that Ed just decided to,
you only live once in two.
Like, I love it.
I love him for it.
It's great.
I think that's pretty much it for the WAN show today
because the last thing I want to do
is manage to get sort of, you know,
jebaited into more discussion.
Yeah.
Nice.
More political chats.
I mean, I just,
I don't think a lot of my views
should be that controversial.
You know, just caring about people
shouldn't be controversial.
And you can't put a label on that
because there's lots of ways that under the umbrellas
of any number of different systems,
you can care about people.
And there's a lot of ways that under any system,
by not caring about people,
you can have it all go to hell.
So if we all just, you know, care about people.
There's unfortunate, yeah.
Yeah, chat's telling me to stop you again.
There are conflicting forms of caring for people,
which makes things a little bit complicated.
Of course.
But you kind of want that
because that's going to drive things forward.
The problem is when both sides
are not arguing in good faith, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
When one side wants the other side to lose
just because they want the other side to lose.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's not good.
When both sides want the country to be better
or the situation to be better or whatever,
but don't agree on things,
that can actually be a very beneficial situation.
Absolutely.
Because at least it means that you're going to try something
and then if you don't try that,
or if it doesn't work, then you can try other ideas.
Yeah.
This is great.
Okay, wicked falsehood,
you're the last chat I'm going to read today.
Oh no.
Chat is whiny.
Governments who kill people are bad.
Yes.
No matter what kind they are,
if they kill people, they're bad.
All right.
Thanks for tuning in.
Governments who kill people are bad.
Their own citizens, other citizens, it's all bad.
That's bad.
Killing people is bad.
Can we just, can we please,
can we please agree on that?
Thank you.
Have a great night.
Bye.
Okay, I lied about one more thing.
Josh's bookish voyage replied again.
Is this an Apple event?
One more thing.
To say, I appreciate the answer.
I get what you're saying.
There's only so much nuance
you can put in a YouTube comment.
Can I just say that Josh just gave a masterclass
on how to interact respectfully on the internet?
I just got schooled.
Yeah, a little bit.
Because I was rude.
And Josh was like, okay, I will see your rudeness
and I will-
That was pretty pro.
I will be not rude about it.
That was genuinely pretty pro.
You know what, Josh?
Josh, you're a good guy.
High five, Josh.
Respect.
Thank you.