I think you're supposed to tweet too.
Oh, really?
Jake, why would you tell me to go live
if you knew that we needed to tweet?
Welcome to the WAN Show guys,
you get to hang out for an hour with James and Anthony,
also known as Anthonames.
I can tweet for you.
Janthony?
I'll tweet for you.
Anthonames.
Anthonames?
I mean, that is a name I guess.
It's the first time this combination has happened.
I feel like it's a no compromises solution here.
No compromises.
If you love Anthony but hate James,
you still get Anthony.
If you like James for some reason, he's here too.
We've got a great show for you guys tonight.
We're gonna cover all sorts of crazy stuff,
including a comparison of the Google Play Pass
and Apple Arcade.
Yeah, and that should be pretty good.
We've also got the Amazon hardware event
and the Checkmate iPhone exploit.
This Apple Arcade thing is actually more interesting
than I thought.
Roll the intro.
Let's get into it.
Let's get into it.
Swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming.
Yeah.
Switch.
Ready, ready, ready.
Almost on time.
Almost.
Do that.
That.
Berta gear.
Berta gear.
I'm in your chair.
Summer jerky.
Displate.
Cool.
Oh my God.
We're terrible.
I think this is gonna be a good day.
It's gonna be a good weekend.
It's a Friday.
Aren't we doing an actual video
on this Google Play Pass versus Apple Arcade?
Yeah, I think so.
I think, isn't Nicholas on that?
Or was it Jake?
Not sure if it was Jake or Nicholas.
I don't know, but I'm actually surprised
at how cool this topic is.
So, I believe that the Apple Arcade subscription
came out first, and that's something that was announced.
Hey you guys, be quiet over there.
It's something that was announced at the Apple keynote
along with the iPhone 11.
Yep.
And that one seems simpler.
It's basically just you pay five bucks a month
and you get games.
Basically, yeah.
But Google's answer to that,
which they must have had in development way before,
I don't think it's like a, oh yeah, Apple, hold my beer.
It's like obviously something like this
they've had in the works for a while.
Anyway, their answer isn't just games.
It's a lot of games, but it's also apps.
Okay.
Like I hadn't been keeping up on this
because I'm a filthy iOS user for some reason.
That's so weird to me.
Yeah, it's weird to a lot of people.
But like I've got this MacBook Pro,
I hacked it to have continuity, and yeah, it just works.
Son of a.
Google Play Pass is a paid subscription service
for Google Play that allows access to
around 350 apps and games,
removing ads as well as the upfront
and in-app price of the game.
So if an app is normally $2 to buy it,
that price will be gone.
Or if there's freemium stuff inside,
that would be included as well.
So how do they handle stuff like,
oh, you need this much, this many gems to continue?
I don't.
I don't know.
I think it just, it's like.
You're out of energy.
Do you just like charge it to your Google Play?
What was the code that you typed in in Starcraft
for more money?
Oh.
Not black sheet wall, not power overwhelming.
Someone knows this.
Chat?
It's gonna be so obvious.
Anyway.
They haven't caught up yet, I don't think.
So it's gonna start with about 350 apps and games,
but they say they're gonna add more stuff every month
with titles like This War of Mine and Cytus coming soon.
And I think when you're going through the Play Store,
if one of the apps or games that you see on the Play Store
is within the purview of the subscription,
it's gonna have a special logo on it.
They made like a Google material design
stylized ticket logo.
Looks like an Admit one kind of ticket.
Maybe this Android Police link.
Oh god.
Let's see here.
Do they have any?
Yeah.
There it is.
I think that's a nice little logo.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of cute.
Play Pass, it's so hard to say.
Play Pass, because I want to say Google Pay, Pay Pass.
Pay Pass is coming to the US this week
at a price of $4.99 a month,
with availability extending to more countries soon.
And you can do a 10 day trial, of course.
And what's cool is it works kind of like the family plan
on Google Play Music, where it's a family pass.
So if you pay the five bucks a month
for the Play Pass ticket you get,
you can give that to up to five different family members.
And it's totally exclusive,
or like they're mutually exclusive.
So if you download a certain game, it doesn't affect me.
Everyone's kind of like segregated in that way.
Okay, so is it unlimited like the Apple Games Pass is?
Apple Arcade?
What do you mean?
Like I think, actually let me just quickly pull this up,
because it's here in my app store.
Arcade, yeah.
So all you can play, free for one month.
Oh, so they give you a one month free trial on iOS.
Whereas they give you 10 days on Android.
But iOS looks like it's just games,
whereas again you said Android was games and apps.
That's right.
But here's something that's actually
super interesting though.
The thing with the Apple Arcade,
it has all these constraints
that kind of change the whole nature of the thing.
So on Apple Arcade, it's all games, no apps.
The games are exclusive to Apple's mobile platform.
So there can be games on there
that maybe also are on Switch or on Xbox,
but none of the games on Apple Arcade will be on Android.
Okay?
Okay.
In addition to that,
once the games are available,
if the game's in Arcade, it's not available on iOS,
not in Arcade.
You can't just go to the app store and get these games
and play the paid version,
which is how it works on Android.
If I don't have the Play Pass,
I can still pay two bucks for the game,
or play the free version of the game
and then buy all the free to play,
or pay to win stuff that's in the game.
And so this kind of changes everything
because when you're using Apple Arcade,
you're playing games that have
a completely different design structure to them.
Yeah, so when you consider most mobile games,
like they have gems or some kind of premium currency,
how do you convert that to a all-you-can-eat pass?
I don't exactly know how Google's doing that,
but what I'm saying is they don't have to even
cross that bridge on the Apple Arcade.
The game doesn't have these built-in mechanics
to keep you playing and stuff.
It can be like games used to be,
when they thought you paid for the ticket
and now you can take the ride,
and the ride can be all myriad things.
The ride doesn't have to be designed
to give you these dope mean hooks
at very specific intervals to keep you playing
for another five hours and putting more coins in the machine.
Yeah.
So that's why we made the title of this episode
what we did, because it's kind of like,
those are kind of the games I want to play.
Yeah, if they can make a story-driven RPG or something
that doesn't require any microtransactions,
that sounds great to me.
That's the kind of thing that's very rare on a mobile device.
But I don't see how that can translate over to Google Play
unless they make $20 games
that you can purchase on the Play Store.
Yeah, and the other side of it is that
if there's really, really huge games
that are on iOS and Android,
those games are not gonna be on Apple Arcade
because those games aren't gonna,
the opportunity cost of missing out on all this revenue
from the different platforms isn't gonna be worth it
for those games to just be exclusive to Apple Arcade or.
Well, I mean, that really depends on
what you define as worth it,
because Apple probably has quite a bit of cash
to throw at people to do that.
Yeah, that's one thing we don't know
is how they're being compensated.
So we had some, there's some notes here
about how Google was gonna compensate developers.
Initially, they planned to pay developers
based on a formula that focused on
how much time the games were being played.
But that's problematic, as it encourages
the creation of games that require players to grind forever
in order to boost developer payouts, right?
Like, if I'm getting paid per time you spend in my game,
I'm not gonna have, I'm gonna have a game
that is just tedious, or like a long, bloated game.
It's like a dark incentive.
What happens with idle games,
where like you have a timer going in the game,
and then you come along and get a bunch of stuff later?
Like, does that count as playtime, if it's idle time?
What do you mean by idle time?
Have you ever played?
Okay, so there's these games on mobile,
and also on web browsers and stuff.
Basically what they do is, while idle,
like a score will start counting up,
and then you can come back into the game,
make some decisions, and then leave it for a while,
and then you can come back and make some more decisions,
that kind of thing.
Like, time ticks on, and you kind of want time to tick on.
If I'm playing Harvest Moon 64,
and I want winter to be over, or something like that,
I kind of just, I leave it on.
It's not quite the same, but yeah.
Sorry, it's been a long time.
It's been a long time for me,
I'm referencing Harvest Moon 64.
Well, have you ever played the original Harvest Moon?
On SNES?
Yeah.
No, I don't think so.
I prefer it, to be honest.
Really?
Yeah, I don't know why, but.
It's basically the same game.
So, in response to the developer outcry,
Google's FAQ now reads,
developers earn a royalty that is based on
algorithmic methods that incorporate signals
which capture how users value all types of content,
from weather apps to narrative-driven indie games.
That sounds hard to build.
How?
How are they planning to do that?
Algorithmic methods, Anthony.
We're gonna incorporate signals.
The same way that, did you see the tweet
that I made earlier?
I typed in iPhone 11 Pro on YouTube.
Oh, that's what that was.
Yeah.
And it was like, oh hey, you must be looking
for the related content, The Last of Us 2.
Like, this is the algorithm they're gonna compensate.
Well, did you click on it?
Well, it'll be its own algorithm, obviously, but.
Well, I mean, same people.
Well, yeah, but it's counterintuitive,
because no, that video does not seem to be
like a super-related thing,
but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep people
on the platform, which is their main goal, right?
They wanna just maximize watch time.
Yeah, I guess so.
Like, maybe people who like the iPhone 11 Pro
are like, really big into The Last of Us.
But were you in an incognito browser,
or were you just on like, the art?
Oh, it was on my browser, so like, it might've been.
But it said related, though.
Specifically you?
Yeah.
The Last of Us?
Never looked it up.
At least not on these computers.
You probably love it.
Probably.
I just don't know it yet.
I actually haven't played it, I don't know why.
I think David loves that game.
Should we cover this Amazon hardware now?
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't know what this is all about.
This is the first I've heard of it.
Yeah, so Amazon had, at their headquarters in Seattle,
they had a big hardware event,
where in pure Amazon fashion,
they announced like, 17 new products,
many of which are just like, random,
and you'll probably never get.
So they did that.
But there's some interesting things in here.
They're doing earbuds, the Echo Buds,
which somehow incorporate Bose active noise canceling.
Oh god, there's so many ads.
So most of these devices, if there's a theme,
it's more Echo devices for the home,
and like, iterating on the devices they already had.
But the other theme is taking Alexa,
I guess I shouldn't say that.
Sorry everybody.
Nevermind.
Taking the assistant out of the home and on the go with you.
So that's the idea with the Buds,
and it's also the idea with two kind of more novel devices,
which are kind of interesting.
A pair of glasses, which are prescription compatible,
and they don't have a camera on them,
they don't have a screen on them or any AR stuff,
they just have Alexa built in.
Dang it, I did it again.
Yeah, Echo Frames, so they have Alexa built in?
Like, what are you supposed to do with that?
Is it paired to your phone or something?
I don't think the,
I don't know if the frames are paired to your phone,
but I know that the loop is paired to your phone.
The loop is, the Echo Loop is a ring.
And admittedly, it still looks pretty not normal.
Like if I saw someone-
That's pretty chunky.
If I saw someone wearing that,
I would know something was going on.
Oh, I can't see that.
Yeah.
The ring, the loop, Echo Loop for 100 bucks,
is an Alexa enabled smart ring
featuring two tiny microphones
and a button for activating the device.
It pairs with your phone and it will vibrate
to let you know when the assistant is listening,
as well as when you're receiving a notification
or a call.
You can actually program one single contact
onto the device and call that one contact.
But apparently you have to like talk into it
and like put it to your ear to listen.
That's a little weird, but that kind of makes sense.
Like, except, I mean, it's $100.
It kind of is $100, but-
Wait, what, it kind of is?
Well, they have this like day one feature on their website.
It's part of Amazon where they have these kind of
startup-y kind of beta devices
where they're only making a limited number of these things
and you kind of have to get invited,
like given the option to buy it.
And then you can give them the $100 and it'll be,
it's kind of like a big beta program.
And then if the device is successful
and they take your feedback,
then they'll double down and make a bunch of these things
as they do.
Yeah.
Cause like smartwatches exist.
This seems like a big problem for them
because this is big, like that ring,
like that looks like it goes between two knuckles.
Like it is huge.
Yeah. You're like, your hand would not be flat on a table.
Yeah. Like that would be very inconvenient to wear
in my opinion.
I don't know why they thought it was a good idea.
Like maybe it'd be good for kids,
but then kids would never get it on their fingers.
So I don't know.
I think they do offer a few different sizes of it,
but I don't know.
Like I don't use echo.
I don't, I'm not in that ecosystem.
I use the Google assistant.
If there were a Google assistant ring,
I don't think I would care to wear it.
I don't think it does enough for me yet.
But that said, I am super stoked that Amazon does do this.
I'm stoked that they push out these like semi useless
products.
I'm stoked that they make these like weird products,
like a microwave and everything.
And that they just kind of shard out so many different
things that maybe aren't the most polished,
but I'm thankful because what it does is force the
competition forward.
Cause now Google, like if this is going to be getting any
traction at all, then maybe Google thinks, Oh dang,
it's time for us to make our glasses or it's time for us to
make our ring.
And then Apple thinks it's time for us to make our glasses.
And it kind of just makes everybody compete a little more.
And then we eventually may get the,
to the goal where maybe I can get a pair of pixel buds
that don't pair to my phone,
that have the Google assistant and the assistant is advanced
enough that I don't even need my phone.
Like when smartphones came out and still to this day,
there's so many things that you can't do with them compared
to a PC.
The screen is super small.
It's super inconvenient to use my smartphone screen to do a
lot of tasks,
but it's good enough to do tons of other tasks.
And if the assistant gets better,
if the assistant gets to the point where it can like, Oh,
you just got a new email from so-and-so.
Do you want me to read it?
Sure. What's it say?
Blah, blah, blah.
And then I can reply to it and I can do all sorts of things
like that.
If I can get even like 60% of the things I could do with my
phone, just done with the assistant, then that's,
that is truly disruptive.
You can be in a developing country where you don't have
a thousand dollars for a new smartphone,
but you might be able to get together $40 or $60 for these
kinds of headphones.
And suddenly that's like a whole new game changer.
I see Amazon's products like this as like precursors to those
kinds of devices.
Okay. So like, it's kind of like,
almost like an alpha really or pre-alpha because they're,
they're gauging interest.
And to me that makes that angle makes sense because when I
think about it,
it wasn't that long ago that smartphones required a tether
to your computer.
Like you had to like sync your contacts to your computer.
You had to sync your music, your photos.
You couldn't actually like fully use your smartphone without
your computer.
And even iPhones when they first launched needed iTunes.
Yeah. Yeah.
iTunes required iTunes like iPods and iPhones required
iTunes up until I think, was it the four or four S?
Maybe it was the five.
Was it that long?
Well, they went,
I think the first intermediary step was that iTunes came up
for windows.
Yeah.
And then you can use your iPod with windows because
previously it was a firewire Mac device,
which I think you can also use on windows to this day,
if you have a firewire card, which is actually kind of cool,
but yeah, like you,
you used to be that you did not have an independent device
other than your computer.
Your computer was like the hub that everything plugged into,
but the more devices like this become independent.
Yeah.
The broader the accessibility becomes for everybody,
you know, in not even, not even just in the first world,
but like the third world as well.
Well, I think it's weird though, is it's to me,
I don't have a lot of appeal for the echo devices because,
and I mean, I don't use it and I'm sure this is a narrow
view of it, but to me, it seems like it's shopping focused.
Like they're like,
Google's goal is to deliver their main product Google to you.
And that's answering questions like helping you query and
sort information.
Whereas Amazon's goal is to sell you stuff.
So like,
I'm not that interested in this ring that helps me order new
toilet paper when I'm out and about.
Oh, you don't want one of those Amazon,
what were they called?
The buttons?
The buttons.
The dash button?
Yeah, the dash, the Amazon dash.
I don't know.
That was such a great April fool's joke.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I know, I know.
Maybe it's just cause I came to Canada later.
I have a couple of friends that have echoes, but.
Yeah.
The Google ecosystem is more,
let's say robust at this point, IMO.
Amazon does push it forward in other areas earlier than
Google though.
Like they acquired ring before,
was it before that Google got nest?
It's certainly before.
I think it was before.
It may not have been before they actually acquired nest,
but it was,
they were doing stuff with the ring before Google was doing
anything with nest.
Cause it was only in the last hardware event that they
unveiled all those integrated,
like nest and assistant in one box kind of things.
And it seems like they're heavily subsidizing that stuff
too, which is helping, I think for adoption.
Well, there's no way like anyone else would sell these,
like the ring for a hundred dollars.
Although it's not that.
I wonder how much technology is actually
in that little ring.
I know.
Well, there's speakers and microphones and haptics and a
button and Bluetooth, obviously.
Haptics is tough to get in that small form factor.
Did you hear about this checkmate?
Oh yeah.
It reminds me of a, well actually reminded Jake first,
but it also reminds me of that.
The green poison exploit back during the,
it was back in like the 2010s, sometime like 2010, 2011,
somewhere around there was an unpatchable jailbreak that
yeah, took advantage of some flaws.
And that's exactly what's happening here.
From the iPhone 4s to the iPhone 10,
all devices are impacted.
That's everything from the,
I think the A5 processor up to the A12 or A11.
A11.
A11.
Yeah.
So basically that could mean that jailbreaking is back.
But it's a big if right now.
This isn't, this is an exploit.
Right.
It's an exploit.
And we don't know if this exploit is going to develop into
actual jailbreaks.
That's true.
It all depends on what the exploit is capable of doing.
If the exploit can actually enable unsigned code to execute,
then all bets are off.
That is absolutely 100% the case.
That's how the Nintendo Switch got hacked.
That's how the Sony PS Vita got hacked.
PSP got hacked.
They found a way to run unsigned code and they ran it.
The PS3 got hacked in a different way, but that's,
well, I mean, it kind of both ways.
So backing up a bit here,
a newly announced iOS exploit could lead to a permanent
unblockable jailbreak on hundreds of millions of iPhones,
according to researcher Axiom X who discovered it.
So most generations of iPhones and iPads are vulnerable
from the iPhone 4S on an A5 chip to iPhone 8
and iPhone 10 on the A11 chip.
The Apple patched the flaw in last year's A12 processors,
though, meaning that iPhone 10S, 10R,
and the 11 and 11 Pros from this year will not be affected.
So this, this exploit is called Checkmate with an eight
in the name.
And it's, it's a boot ROM vulnerability,
which gives hackers deep access to iOS devices
because this is the code that runs when you boot up.
It's the first code that runs.
You can't, you can't change this.
You can't patch this with, with a firmware update.
Yeah, so if you can gain access to the boot ROM
at a low level, no matter what that boot ROM is,
then yeah, you have control of the system.
But they have to,
you have to do this with a hard line plugin, right?
Like you have to have a USB plugin?
Yeah, probably there may be an alternative.
I don't know exactly, I don't think they say.
Yeah, it's a tethered exploit for now,
meaning that it can only be triggered over USB,
which means that each time you restart your device,
you'll have to retrigger the jailbreak.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that's, that's what a tethered jailbreak means.
It was kind of a bummer back when I was
like jailbreaking iPhones.
And I think it's a big reason why people stopped doing it.
That and the fact that like Apple has actually been adding
more and more of that jailbroken functionality
that people have come to expect from,
well, their jailbreaks.
But like, I think it got to the point,
didn't the Cydia store shut down?
I thought it did.
So, okay, hold on a second.
If you, the guy who did this or the group who did this,
a lot of people would think that part of this is immoral.
I can imagine Steve Jobs saying, you know,
like this is our property and you guys are ruining it
and you're making the iOS experience like worse
for everybody.
But they actually have their own kind of rationale
of why this is better for everybody.
They said that this will make iOS better for everyone
because jailbreakers and tweaked developers
will be able to jailbreak their phones
on the latest version.
And they'll not need to wait around,
they won't have to stay on older iOS versions
waiting for a jailbreak.
And for that reason, they'll be safer.
Yeah, there are security implications
of using older versions of iOS.
The thing for me though, is that my iPhone 6S Plus
is not gonna get iOS 14.
But if I can stay on iOS 13
and this processor is vulnerable,
then what I can do is I can jailbreak this
and add features that are later added to iOS.
So Apple wouldn't like that
because then you're removing one incentive
for you to upgrade to the next device.
Right, and right now there are very few.
Lots to review.
Nick's here.
Hey.
Hey Nick.
Hey.
Scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot, scoot.
You guys have stuff on the other side.
Did you guys tell everybody about the good news
of lttstore.com?
Lttstore.com, what's that?
Wow.
So we're launching a new shirt today.
Did you talk about the new shirt we're launching?
No, not yet.
Where's your new shirt, James?
Oh, here it is right here.
Oh, I'm supposed to wear this?
Oh.
I mean, theoretically, yeah.
That's why it's here.
Oh, what size was this one?
Was this a small or a medium?
This is a medium.
Yeah, that would not fit on me.
So we're launching new design GPU.
Woo.
We'll have another new design theoretically
next week as well.
So just so you guys know.
And then we're also running.
I heard there's a sale.
Is that like it?
Yeah, we're running the final elemental promo.
So if you remember the last time we did it,
four for 50, we are honoring the same deal.
Four for 50 elemental t-shirts.
It gets automatically applied to your order
when you add four elemental t-shirts of any size
and slash or color to your cart.
Okay, so you don't need a promo code or anything.
You just select four, put them in the cart.
Select four, put it in.
Get them while they're hot.
We had a similar number available last time
and it lasted less than eight hours, I think.
So.
Really?
Get them while they're hot.
Ha, ha, ha.
Okay, bye.
There he goes.
Okay.
I guess we don't have any photos on the site yet.
You can't tell that was a Naruto run.
You can.
Now everyone's doing it.
Yeah, we're gonna get the photos up very soon
but they can see them here.
Yeah.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Yeah, we took photos today.
It was wearing this.
I don't get to keep one.
I'm keeping this one.
I mean, what else are they gonna use this size?
You just wear it home.
Just wear it home.
That's all I've been doing.
I haven't had to shop for clothes in a while.
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Does this pop out?
Yeah, it feels like it pops out actually.
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It feels like it's clipped in.
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Yeah, don't scratch your butt later.
Yeah, it is absolutely ridiculous how spicy that is.
So yeah, they've got 13 different flavors.
They also make hot sauces,
including this nice Reaper sauce,
which yeah, she's tried this as well.
And it's actually really good.
You don't do hot?
When stuff gets too hot, I'm like kind of there,
but kind of not.
What about this one?
Give that a sniff.
Oh yeah, that sounds perfect.
That smells pretty good.
It doesn't smell spicy.
It smells like, it smells sweet.
It smells like, like the maple buffalo bacon.
But it's sriracha.
Huh.
Put it in, put it in there.
Oh yeah.
Maximum, maximum heat level.
Holy cow.
Have you ever had that?
I don't think so.
Have you ever had anything with Reaper in it?
I think so.
I had a bite of one of the, wait,
the Reaper jerky pieces.
And yeah, that was, that was enough.
Do you know that, is this the hottest flavor they have
or is the Carolina Reaper one, or don't they,
a ghost pepper, don't they have a ghost pepper one?
Oh, Reaper is hotter.
This is the, this is the hottest one.
Reaper is hotter than Ghost Pepper.
Cause I ate the early hot one on like the first time
I was ever on a WAN show.
When I tried to be really cool.
You actually go check that episode out.
I think you can see my, the iris of my eyes turning black.
Like there's liquid floating in them.
I'm just like, this is nothing Linus.
This is not freezing me at all.
But yeah, it was bad for like the rest of the weekend.
Wow, really for that long.
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Boss Dynamics is selling their Spot robot now.
Oh God, they're selling something now?
Okay, they're leasing the Spot robot.
Do you know which one Spot is?
Isn't that like the dog one?
It's the small dog one.
Okay.
It used to be called Spot Mini.
Now it's just called Spot.
Oh, okay.
So they're leasing them,
and only to like hand-picked companies,
because I think they have limited quantities.
You can't just,
I don't think we could get one if we just wanted one.
That sucks.
Yeah.
But what possible utility could they have?
Why would they be leasing them?
Yeah, I think it's not for everybody.
Like, when you watch their robots on YouTube,
you're like, holy cow, it's doing backflips.
This thing can do anything.
But in reality,
like you're not seeing all the outtakes
of when it falls over,
or all the humans that are in the background helping out.
So there are very specific use cases,
but those use cases do exist.
These robots can't do everything for you,
but they can do certain things really well.
So in the case of Spot,
one example I read about was like,
let's say you're a site inspector,
and once a week you go to like a construction site
and you make sure that everything is laid
where it's supposed to be.
With a Spot Mini,
that thing could just patrol the site every day.
And once the area is mapped,
it can actually detect changes.
So it can just tell you,
he is like, at a glance, this is what's changed.
And then you can look at the 360,
like the stitched footage that it gives you,
and then just kind of do a visual inspection remotely.
So you can do a less good inspection more often.
Hmm, okay.
That's an interesting use case.
I'd heard of lasers being used for that,
like I think there are London metros
that use lasers to do that kind of thing for surveying,
but I guess you can't really do that for everything.
Well, I guess that would require,
that's a human has to set that up every time then, right?
Well, they're permanently installed, I think.
Oh, okay, okay.
But at the same time, that is a permanent installation and-
And it's a contained like static environment.
Yeah.
So like, if you're looking at things that change over time
in an environment that is like, by definition,
always changing because it's like a build site or something,
then yeah, maybe.
I mean, the fact that it can actually navigate as well.
Yeah, so it's like kind of autonomous.
When you first get it,
you have to control it with a remote control
and walk it around the area to map the area.
But then I think once it's mapped
and its parameters are laid out and it's walked around it
and gone up all the stairs and everything,
after that, then it can walk around autonomously
and do all the remapping itself.
And of course, they're famously good
at going over uneven terrain.
And like, if the thing gets knocked onto,
like turtled onto its back,
it can still like wobble its legs and right itself.
And if it trips on stuff, so that's pretty BA.
Well, apparently Cirque du Soleil is looking at it.
It might incorporate them in some of their shows.
Why?
Like, have you been to Cirque du Soleil?
Actually, no.
They usually have like comedians,
like clowns walking around amongst the audience.
I could see them doing something like that with it.
Obviously, it's not doing backflips.
Stereo cameras.
I think it has five cameras to begin with,
like that all of them get,
because there's different models.
They say that it costs about as much as a car,
but cars have a huge range and so do these.
So it depends on the options you get.
I wouldn't specifically say
that the operating environment information here
is especially impressive.
IP54?
I mean, it's less than a phone from five years ago.
Yeah, like it seems like,
then again, there's a lot more moving parts.
So I guess that is impressive.
Payload capacity, 14 kilograms.
Applications, okay, here we go.
Construction, oil and gas for what?
Inspect facilities?
Public safety.
Each one comes with five pairs of stereo cameras
positioned around the machine.
Okay.
Its front cameras scan the ground ahead for obstacles
and decide whether to climb over them
or to dodge them altogether.
So as I understand it,
if something is 30 centimeters or a foot or less,
then it'll mount it and go over that way.
But if it's larger than that, then it just walks around.
And there's a pretty kick-ass looking controller.
Almost looks like a set of Game Gear, something like that.
It's got a big screen on it.
And you can look through the screen.
It shows a feed from the robot's forward facing cameras
and you can send the machine to different way points.
I guess it's kind of like looking at Google Street View.
I guess that would be here in the video here.
Let's see if that shows up here.
It's two minutes long.
Yeah, the video is mostly just this thing
walking through various sets.
It looks like a pretty involved video, honestly.
Looks expensive.
That's clearly CG though.
Three miles an hour.
90 minute runtime.
That's pretty good.
Cause I thought that there are other robots like Atlas
only were ripping around wirelessly for like 15 minutes.
Hmm.
And you can swap the batteries out.
God, I can only imagine how much they charge
for one of those batteries.
Oh, yeah.
You can add additional sensors on its back
like LiDAR laser scanner for mapping environment
in high detail.
And then that's obviously an add on
that weird dinosaur neck thing.
Yeah.
But can they, I don't think they can interact like that though.
I don't know.
Like can one hold the door for another?
They've done it in their presentations,
like in their YouTube videos,
but that can be just pre-rendered as it were, you know?
They could have just pre-programmed that activity.
I don't know if they were like aware of each other
to the extent that they could solve problems like that.
I imagine they are not, but come to think of it,
it wouldn't be that difficult, would it?
Well, but most clients would probably just want one.
So if you have a limited ability to invest your time
on like building out certain features,
you're probably gonna focus on the features
on making one of them better.
And like the team-based stuff,
I would think would come like in B2.
Hmm.
Oh, man.
You see, you buy these things
to make your business more productive,
but then everybody wants to look at it.
And then they become a pet.
Like, look at this.
Look at this.
Isn't that adorable?
It's cute.
Wait, can we show that without being
like just demonetized right away?
I don't know if you can like just watch videos
on your stream.
I know lots of other channels don't do that.
Well, I mean.
The damage is done.
I don't know.
It's an advertisement, guys.
It's a thing we're looking at.
We were looking at the website first.
We can, it doesn't matter.
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Sony launches online PlayStation storefront
for hardware and accessories.
Oh.
Yeah, you can buy hardware, Sony PlayStation hardware
directly from Sony now on their same store.
It honestly feels a little bit strange
that that hasn't been possible.
Yeah.
Till now?
You would think that they would have done that
like as soon as they had the internet.
Yeah.
I mean, you'd think Sony would have done a lot of things
but they actually were kind of behind Microsoft
on many issues relating to online.
If you remember correctly, if I remember correctly
it was PlayStation network was like really kind of jank
at first and they also released streaming
like streaming media later than Microsoft did.
And I think Microsoft actually had an exclusive
with Netflix for a little while.
So Sony was really on the back foot
for a lot of the PS3 generation.
So just to back up PlayStation fans
and gift givers can now visit a single destination
to buy PlayStation games
and hardware directly from PlayStation.
Integrated with the PlayStation.com website
you can now navigate from hardware
and game product information pages directly
to purchasing a PS4, a PS4 Pro, a PSVR system
and bundles as well as headsets,
DualShock 4 wireless controllers,
PSVR accessories, a selection of physical games.
You can actually buy discs from these guys
and voucher codes for PS Plus subscriptions.
And the prices on the site are gonna be the same kind
of thing you're gonna find at the retailers.
It's not gonna be more expensive
but the new online store for now is open exclusively
in the US.
Oh, well, that's why I can't see it then.
They have a couple of bundles here.
You can tell me, do you think this is a good deal?
A PlayStation 4 plus a 12 month subscription
of PS Plus for 400 US dollars,
which is $20 savings compared to normal.
How much does a year PS Plus, is it $60 US or $50 US?
I don't know.
But I mean,
20 bucks is 20 bucks.
It's 20 bucks off.
Do you feel like that's the best they could do
for this epic store launch?
Yeah, you would think that they would be throwing
in a PlayStation Now or PlayStation,
not PS Now, PS Now is a different thing,
but the PlayStation Plus account.
But I guess, I mean, they are giving away games
every month, so.
They also have a PlayStation 4 Pro
and a 12 month subscription of PS Plus for $430,
which is $30 off.
For the extra 30 bucks, I'd go with the PS4 Pro,
but like, I don't know.
It's actually only, it's kind of,
I guess it's an extra 30 bucks,
but it's kind of only an extra 20 bucks in a way too,
because you save more, that's,
that is just gambler logic.
I have a problem.
I mean, either way, 30 or 20 bucks,
like, okay, you're going out,
like you order a pizza or whatever.
Like you can not order a pizza
and get a PS4 Pro instead of a PS4.
Like, I, I don't.
I think I'm going to have the PS4 for dinner.
PlayStation Plus members are eligible
for free one day express shipping.
Do you think a lot of people will end up buying from this?
One day express, honest, I can't see many people doing it.
Amazon is already so entrenched, I guess,
in terms of like online sales.
I don't think that Sony is going to have
the network for like, just the logistics of the shipping.
Well, they might, they might,
they probably outsource that to somebody else.
Well, yeah, but like, unlike Amazon,
Sony has to keep all of this stuff in a warehouse somewhere.
Amazon has a, like a distribution network.
They could be keeping them in Amazon warehouses
for all we know.
Well, that could be, they could,
they might be drop shipping them from Amazon.
So it's really about the portal.
Like, do you think there's going to be
the ability to access this?
Oh God.
Oh, what do we do?
Um, just wait 10 seconds.
Yay, the last minute of WAN Show.
Well.
Is there going to be a link in the store
or from the PlayStation, from your PlayStation,
like HUD, like dashboard on your console,
if it connects directly to the store
and it's displayed in a really user friendly way,
they could get a lot of direct sales that way.
I guess, like, oh, hey, I've got the,
I'm looking at downloading this game
and it's got VR support.
Oh, hey, here's the link to the PSVR.
Oh, hey, I can just buy that and have it tomorrow.
Like, that sounds pretty neat.
But is your auntie getting you a Christmas present
going to use playstation.com
or your partner getting you a gift?
No.
Although it's a, maybe gift cards.
It could be a good place to get gift cards.
Yeah, it would be like, hey auntie,
instead of like going to Best Buy or Walmart,
can you get me a PlayStation store or credit card?
I want the credit on the PlayStation store.
I don't want to go to Best Buy.
Maybe they'll have a, you know when you're at the drugstore
and there's like a wall of gift cards?
Yeah.
Maybe they'll just have their own right there.
Well, they have like PlayStation store cards like that,
that you can like load,
I'm pretty sure you can load value on.
Well, if it's the same store,
then you'll just be able to use that towards hardware.
It's just, they need larger denominations
because you're buying hardware.
$400 ticket.
It's like maybe you get like a $500 PlayStation store card
and you can just like buy a PlayStation.
Mm-hmm.
Which seems to be a little bit roundabout,
but I mean, then you get to choose your PlayStation,
I guess.
Yeah, I guess so.
Well, that's it for that one.
Last topic.
Alibaba unveils its first AI chip.
So the backstory to this is in the world of cloud computing
where Amazon has the most market share
followed by I believe Azure
and then like, who's after that, maybe Google Firebase,
I think.
Alibaba actually has like 5% market share, I think.
Weird.
No, wait, wait, they're in the top five
and I think they're the biggest in China.
Bigger than Huawei?
It's all in the notes here, let's see.
Alibaba unveiled its first chip
to power artificial intelligence processes on Tuesday.
The move could boost its already fast growing
cloud computing business
and signals China's growing ambitions
in developing its own homegrown semiconductor industry.
The chip called,
oh, I hate when I have to pronounce Chinese things,
called Hangguang 800 can cut down community tasks
that would have usually taken an hour
down to just five minutes.
The e-commerce giant claims.
Which tasks?
Alibaba said the chip is currently being used internally
within the company's business operations,
especially in product search and automatic translation
on e-commerce sites, personalized recommendations,
advertising and intelligent customer services.
They're not going to be selling this
as a standalone product.
Instead, the company is planning to use the chip
in its cloud computing products
and then offer those services.
I'm trying to find the, I know I have the,
I thought I had the market share things.
What I do have is that Beijing highlighted
semiconductors as a key area of the made in China 2025 plan
that they rolled out recently,
or in the last couple of years.
It's a government initiative that aims to boost
the production of higher value products.
Instead of, you know, just making plastic toys there,
they want to make chips,
stuff that they want to eat Intel's lunch.
Delicious.
China aims to produce 40% of the semiconductors
that it uses by 2020 and 70% by 2025.
That's scary.
That's a lot.
70%.
So are they,
are they planning on just using that deal with AMD
for like their desktop market share then?
Like how many chips are fabricated in China now
versus how many chips would have to be fabricated in China?
Well, I don't know if they just mean fabricated,
but they think they mean designed.
Designed in China.
Cause when I, I've spoken to people who are teachers
in China and their students write essays for them.
And this common theme of these students' essays
is that a lot of things are made in China,
but very few things are designed in China.
And this next generation of kids wants to, you know,
kind of change that instead of just following instructions
from all the other companies.
So I would, or other countries.
So I would assume that they mean like actually made
from like start to finish in China.
But when they say 70% or 40% of the semiconductors it uses,
when they say it, do they mean every person in the country,
like my desktop gaming PC at home,
or do they mean it referring to like the government of China?
Like.
I have to assume that it means the government,
but that being said, from what I understand,
I don't, I don't really, hmm.
No, that's not how it works in China.
The government isn't everything.
It's just, it's state capitalism is what it is.
So yeah, that seems like everything
that the government uses is probably going to be
what they're talking about here.
But with that being said,
in order for that to be economical,
they would need to then be able to sell that
to customers in China.
Because like, if you think about it,
like how are they going to get software?
How are they going to get like support
for that kind of thing?
They need to have a full ecosystem
that they're going to build.
If they're going to build semiconductors,
like AI chips, CPUs, GPUs, all that kind of stuff.
There are GPUs that are legitimately being designed
and built in China and CPUs as well.
So like this is already happening,
but in order for that to take off
and actually be useful for the Chinese government,
they would have to actually also create an ecosystem
that the Chinese consumer would also want.
Well, unless they just focus on business,
because as you said, there are many,
I guess they're like privately owned businesses,
but they have a lot of state influence
that are kind of appendages of the state in some ways.
And so therefore the state can kind of stipulate
onto those companies that they use or do certain things.
So maybe they stipulate that all of these companies
must use China made semiconductors.
And that kind of, that gives you,
you become your own best customer.
And it gives you a lot of volume
and then you have to build out these ecosystems
just to serve yourself,
whether or not it even goes to the consumer.
It seems like a bit of an uphill battle
in that sense though,
but if the end goal is to create something
that is all encompassing,
then that makes more sense to me.
Just creating something for yourself
for the sake of it being something you built,
I can't see that being really the thing
that the Chinese government,
like the hell they die on, you know?
Like it seems like there's something else behind that.
You think their technology is far behind?
No.
Or even ahead?
I'm not sure if I would say ahead,
but just as a result of not only corporate espionage,
that's a thing even in the West.
Like I'm not trying to crap on China here,
but as a result of that, you know, the great leap forward
and just as a result of China's modernization
in terms of its consumer sector
and its electronic sector,
I think that it will at least reach parity relatively soon,
like probably in the next, I don't know.
I hesitate to even-
2025?
I don't know about 2025.
I hesitate to put a timeframe on it though,
because they already have really powerful supercomputers.
Yeah, they had the world's most powerful for a time there.
I think they've invested now.
Plus they have more engineers, more engineering graduates.
They have a lot of new young talent coming up.
More flexible slash non-existent patent law.
Yeah, that does help actually.
Like that's just kind of how America got where it is,
is because patents originally were much looser
than they are now.
Well, they're only,
they can't differentiate based on IP in that way.
So they can only beat people by innovating faster.
Faster, cheaper, better.
Yeah.
Should we do some super chats?
Yeah, probably.
It's been an entire stream.
I think you just,
give me a good one here.
I think that guy just said, shoot me now, please.
No, shout me out, please.
Oh, shout me out, please.
Okay, hi.
Tommy got him 1928.
No Luke, no Linus, still I expect a great WAN show.
I hope we did that for you, Tommy.
Hopefully, probably not though.
Harsh.
Folding mouth shout out, please.
Oh, folding month, sweet.
Oh, folding month.
It's the time of folding.
If you guys don't know what that is,
you just download this client on your computer.
It's very easy to do.
And basically you can just kind of offer
the computing capacity of your machine
to the greater good,
which is it's a distributed computing network
of people trying to fold proteins.
And so basically what defines a protein
and what it can do is it's a physical structure.
And that structure is usually like a linear
kind of like foldy thing.
And so you use your computer to look at new structures
and discover them and fight diseases
like Alzheimer's and cancer and stuff.
Yeah, especially anything to do with prions.
What's a prion?
They're terrifying.
But mad cow disease is a prion disease.
Okay.
They're due to a protein folding in an irregular way.
And as a result, it starts to corrupt other proteins.
And yeah, it's really scary.
So folding is easy though.
And I did it last year for like a month and a half.
Totally heated up my house,
which was great because it's winter time.
So I recommend you guys do it.
It's for a good cause.
And if you go through the forum at lionstechtips.com,
you can even get some cool badges by your name.
So I have all this forum clout now because I did that.
All these cool forum badges.
So I don't know the details.
There's actually like competitions and stuff.
And there's an LTT team and you can be ranked
and we're competing against other teams around the world.
I'm sorry I don't have the details about that right now,
but go to LTT forum and join it.
Do it.
Do it now.
Is this our team?
That looks like our team.
Show everyone.
Show us, Anthony.
Woo hoo, Linus Tech Tips team.
Active CPU's within 50 days, 4,865.
I'm impressed.
That's a lot of CPU's.
Team ranking, 10 of 228,803.
We're in 10th?
Yeah, we're only in 10th.
Yeah, but that's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
We can do better than that though.
Let's see.
Oh hey, there's Ben Quigley.
He's the guy who actually shouted this out.
Yeah, yeah, nice.
Nice.
Top 10.
I think we actually have prizes we're giving out.
I think they talked with us on the last WAN show,
but the community has gotten some prizes together
and we ourselves have offered up some prizes
for I guess the main contributors to this.
So everybody go fold.
Folding at home client is what you download
and it's very easy to turn off and on.
Yeah, think of it like Bitcoin mining
except less terrible and also, well,
for a really good cause.
It's medical science.
Super less terrible.
Oh yeah.
What else we got?
What else we got here?
When will the Oculus Quest review be up?
It has been repeatedly referenced on the channel,
but it's only on Flow Plane.
That's Val Jenkins.
Yeah, actually I think Monday.
Is it?
It's this week.
The video did get delayed,
but actually it turned out to have a silver lining
in the delay because since we filmed it,
the Connect 6 conference happened
and they announced at least three things
that are pertinent to Oculus Quest and our video.
So now we've been able to incorporate
those new developments into the video
and I believe it's gonna come out next week.
Nice.
Yeah, it is scheduled for Monday, but that may change.
So do not take that as verbatim, but expect it soon.
Let's see.
Let's do one more.
One more?
Okay, let's make it a good one.
Oculus Quest is actually wicked.
I brought it home and I was very surprised.
I wanted to show all my friends,
but it was my wife who got the most into it
and she is not a gamer at all.
All right, lay it on me.
Okay, TechRevent says,
if you have the smart home and everything else
you can buy into the system now and be, wait.
Is this like, or would you rather, like a hypothetical?
I don't even know what this is actually.
I thought this was something different.
If you have the smart home and everything else
you can buy into the system now and be possible,
be better of with later gen.
Oh, how?
Like, is this a question?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Moving on.
Yeah.
Sorry, Tech.
For some of us who want to show on headphones
alarm headers, my drums, eardrums, lesson learned.
That was Steven Willis.
If the moon was made out of cheese, would you eat?
The Klipsky.
I would eat.
Yeah, why not?
Yeah.
Would you think that it would be a hard cheese
or a creamy cheese?
It would probably be creamier at the center.
It seems like a hard cheese.
It'd be mostly hard cheese.
Would it, the divots on the moon, the craters,
kind of look like those dimples, like Swiss?
Maybe a little bit, yeah.
So it's kind of softer.
It's kind of got that kind of white-gray,
not really, that's like more,
well, it is gray, but it looks more Swiss cheesy.
It'd be so weird to walk on something edible.
Like, imagine it actually-
Have you never stepped on food before?
Not like-
Not even accidentally?
Not to the extent that I could do a bum drop on food.
Like if you were on the actual moon
and it actually was made of cheese,
you know when you like go down and eat snow?
Like you go to an area of snow that's fresh snow
that's untouched.
I'll try not to do that, but yeah.
Like you've never been like thirsty,
like you go skiing or something and you're super thirsty
and then you go into an area like no one's there
and you just like eat a little bit of snow.
I guess they'd be like the same etiquette
with the cheese moon.
Probably, it would also probably either be really hot
or really cold, so.
Oh, true.
Oh, can you imagine it was super delicious
and you were starving, but you're in a space suit
so you actually can't access it.
You just, yeah, it's like water, water everywhere,
not a drop to drink kind of style.
Anyway, this is getting weird.
Let's sign off.
Come back next week, same bat time, same bat channel.
Vertigear.
Vertigear.
Wow.
And make sure you buy your elemental shirts
before they sell out in the next two hours.
Yeah, they're gonna be gone.
450 bucks, baby.
Yep, cannot be beat.
That's a really good deal.
Good shirts are good, good quality.
Roll the outro.
What is the outro?
Same as the intro.
Same as the intro.
hahaha
merr day gay
savage jerky
This is bad.
This is bad.
Bye-bye.
Bye.