Hey, welcome to the WAN Show.
I'm so disappointed because I always try and find like a ridiculous screen grab of you
for the thumbnail on Vessel.
And that one's too early in the show for me to be able to screen grab it tonight later
without getting the YouTube UI.
So just can you make that face again for a sec?
Yeah, look at that.
There we go.
Hey, would you just make this part of the routine like making our, getting our thumbnail
sort of taken care of?
So we'll just like, what is wrong with you?
That surprised me so much.
Well what's interesting about that though is now we actually know at what point in the
video people are actually hearing what we're talking about at the beginning of the show.
Turns out not at the very beginning.
So now we know that and we did before, but we couldn't quantify it and we haven't yet
because we weren't timing it.
Welcome to the WAN Show guys.
It's good to be back into the, I mean, our first proper WAN Show in like four weeks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's, we did the, we did the recap, which was cool.
We had everyone on, but it wasn't, you know, the, the WAN Show and like not everyone could
make it.
And then I bailed on Luke like one hour before the next one after that, which was awesome.
That's brutal.
And then we were streaming from CES last time with like the, Oh man, that was awful.
The equipment wasn't working, the, the computer wasn't working.
That being said, Edzalyn and Vaughn did a really good job of setting it up.
They just, they didn't have much at their disposal.
And it broke and all of those things.
And, and then, and then, and like we didn't have any of our like lower thirds, like, you
know, where, how would you guys know where to buy all your Linus Tech chips merch?
Or what the name of the show was.
For like our Twitter handles.
Yeah.
If it wasn't for the lower third.
All of that is the most important information.
Exactly.
Ryan keeps on taking pictures.
Speaking of most important information, why is your Twitter handle above mine?
I don't, I didn't do, I didn't make it.
I'm going full on conspiracy theory.
He thinks he runs the WAN Show now.
Let's do a drop pull.
I want to know, I want to know, I want to know what you guys think of this.
Okay.
It's drop pull time.
Technically in the last month I've been on the WAN Show more than you.
Does Luke run the WAN Show?
Okay.
He runs the WAN Show with a yes and no and a turnip.
And a turnip.
And I think that, uh, I think that we all know what the, uh, what the answer is to any
poll that involves a turnip.
Turnip.
So go ahead guys.
Go ahead guys.
Hit those results.
Let's see those results.
In the meantime, let's introduce our topics for the day.
Yes.
We have a fully prepared doc.
Luke and I have actually prepped on the topics.
We're, yeah, 80% for me or so.
Yeah.
Good.
All right.
So an iPhone leak has quote unquote officially because remember a leak is still a leak.
Not a, you know, you know, a poo for example, you know, like a, you got to take a leak.
That's not, yeah.
You know, you're not like, you're not sitting down and pulling out the phone and getting
a leak is only stage one jet pack joy ride going on.
Right.
Like, okay.
That the headphone Jack will be removed from the iPhone seven done done.
Palmer lucky founder of Oculus says that your computer sucks and is currently in the process
of building a propane cooled personal rig to a presumably game in VR.
Although it depends who you ask and it also depends on how seriously you take the sensationalist
headline and take a note of context and two completely different things.
Yes.
More on that at 11.
Also some parents somewhere got an $8,000 bill for some FIFA microtransactions from
their kid who is not like eight or seven years old as you might expect, but actually 17.
We'll talk about that later.
And mush can announced a $500 four terabyte SSD, but try to buy it.
It's not available.
This is very interesting.
There's a couple of interesting things here.
Number one is that 64% of our audience is diluted, which is fascinating.
And number two is that the hard cores, okay, the guys who tune in right at the beginning
of the show, look at that engagement, the number of viewers we have versus the number
of poll results returned is really high.
That is incredible.
That is you guys, you guys, you guys are hardcore.
You guys are cool guys, and now you're cool guys are going to watch the intro.
They can't hear me while the intro is rolling, right?
Of course not.
I can't say whatever company secrets.
I can't put the, okay, this scene, this scene is being kind of a derp and I'm having trouble
putting the, uh, the, the Squarespace and tunnel bear logos that maybe you guys will
just have to imagine that you've seen at this point in time.
Someone made a compilation of all my stupid business ideas that I came up with for Squarespace.
Do you ever know?
Do you end up seeing that?
No, I actually haven't watched any of our CES content at the end of all of my CES videos.
I came up with some reason why you might need a website and at the start of the show there
was tons of easy pickings reasons why you might need a website near the end of the show.
It got pretty difficult because I made a lot of videos.
So like at the Zotac suite, they had this really weird looking chandelier.
So I started talking about how like you might need a website to sell it, sell your chandeliers,
but I'm, I was sort of talking about how the concerns of distribution process, uh, like
lanes and stuff that you might need for chandelier distribution, right?
Uh, for one of them, I talked about teleportation devices.
It got weird.
Did you ever get to the point where it's like, you could start a service online where people
send their wine bottles where like the cork is kind of stuck and you can't get it out
and you send it to us and we like get it out for you and then send it back to you.
I came up with one where you could make a resume because you lost your job because you
ran out of ideas.
Cause I ran out of ideas.
I was like, wait, no, that's technically an idea and I'm fine.
Do you have that resume?
Have you sent it to tech syndicate?
All right, so why don't we move into our first topic of the day?
It's going to be a good show for you guys.
Um, this is actually posted by the CBC and was posted on the Linus tech tips forum by
the digital doc door.
Oh yes.
Oh yes.
My friend.
This was here.
So Pembroke parent gets an $8,000 Xbox bill after sun racks up charges.
Lance Perkins says there will never be another Xbox system or any gaming system in my home.
Overreaction.
I don't know.
I don't know actually.
So I would love to say yes, it's an overreaction, but I also didn't get a credit card bill for
over seven and a half grand.
Now to put this in the correct perspective, we're talking Canadian rupees here.
So that's only about 5,000 us dollars.
Probably roughly about there.
Yep.
But it's still a $5,000 bill.
And uh, do you want to join us?
Sort of explain how, what the lead into this was, what the lead into this was like, how,
how do you end up, how do you end up with an $8,000 Xbox bill?
The kid literally is like, I'm not even really sure.
No joke in the thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Although he too was shocked about the amount, uh, contacted credit by the amount.
So sun confessed to using the card illicitly.
So he wasn't supposed to, the card was given to him for emergency reasons from his dad.
He used it illicitly, he was not supposed to do this, but he was shocked that there
was seven, over seven and a half thousand dollars in charges.
Like, okay, at what level there, there's a point where you're like, okay, maybe if I
do like a $10 micro transaction once a month or something, they probably won't really notice
and it's not a huge deal.
At what point does that go to like, I'm just going to micro transaction every single possible
thing.
And here's the thing that I really need to understand.
Can I, can I hear from some FIFA players?
Okay.
Let's Twitter blitz this.
You got to blitz us.
Okay.
At Linus tech on Twitter.
Okay.
What can you buy in FIFA?
What costs?
What do you buy?
And here, here, this is the, this is the other real killer.
This is, this puts it again, it's, it's all about, this is what the WAN show is, putting
it in the appropriate context while knowing nothing about the story.
This was, I don't know what you can buy.
This was done in a month.
What?
Well, because they got the bill.
It's a single bill.
I didn't even think about that.
What did you buy in a month?
That's obscene.
For five grand US in FIFA.
Like how many, how many like amazing Brazilian soccer players can you, can you buy to put
on the same roster or whatever it is that you're doing in a month?
FIFA coins and FIFA packs, FIFA points to open packs to get players for building your
own team.
You don't get all the players when you buy the game.
And how much do players cost?
What?
Okay, hold on.
Let's, let's, let's get on, let's get on this Twitter blitz.
Let's get on this Twitter blitz.
We've got to, we've got to make this, we've got to make this happen thing.
Okay.
Uh, got to make this happen thing?
It's cool.
It's fine.
What are they even talking about?
We're a professional show.
Okay.
We're a professional show that doesn't have the Twitter blitz thing.
Put it there.
Well, I'll put it here.
Apparently you run the show anyway.
Give me a Wilson.
That sounds dirty.
Wow, it does actually.
I meant like, give me a Wilson.
Give me a Rusty Wilson.
Okay.
So Jack McLaughlin helpfully says packs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Six packs, eight packs.
About 115 FUT packs.
Different game type.
FIFA ultimate team.
Okay.
All right.
Ultimate team packs.
Huge on YouTube.
A couple dollars a pack.
Okay.
Coins and packs.
IMO.
It's pretty awful.
The dollar bill is stupid.
FIFA sucks.
CSGO for life.
Thank you.
Ayush.
More cowbell.
Now I remember why we don't do as many Twitter blitzes.
Lots and lots of packs.
There you go.
Okay.
So what is FIFA ultimate team?
Coins for packs.
Coins for packs.
Pokemon cards for your online team.
Billions and billions of FIFA coins.
So at what point is Microsoft or EA somewhat responsible for building in prompts that are
all like, yo, are you sure?
At what point are they responsible?
Cause I mean, you look at, okay, look at, look at NBC.
Okay.
NBC Canada anyway.
Like do microtransactions need to get gambling style laws because they're too easy to purchase?
The lottery, the lottery is the BC lottery association or whatever that organization
is called is required to spend a given amount of their earnings on gambling addiction awareness
campaigning.
At what point is Microsoft or EA required to step in and do something about this?
Because it does it like going back to this story, Microsoft basically said that there's
a setting that prevents miners from making purchases without parents permission.
Xbox responded, said they would look into it.
And the credit card company basically said that unless Lance charges his son with fraud,
there is nothing they can do.
He will have to pay the bill.
To be completely fair.
I hate credit card companies just as much as everyone else, but the credit card company
here is totally right.
Yep.
They didn't do anything wrong.
Yep.
They facilitated the payments that has nothing to do with them.
They did a good job.
Probably.
Maybe your limit shouldn't be that high on something that you're actually, you know what,
that's a very good point because I have had a credit card since I was 16, 16, 15, 15 or
16 as, as young as you can be my credit card limit until I was in my early twenties was
$500.
Yeah, me too, by choice, not because I couldn't get a bigger limit, not because, you know,
TD visa didn't call me and be like, Hey kid, would you like a bigger credit card limit?
Yeehaw.
That happened.
But I was like, no, because I need to learn how to use a credit card responsibly, which
means part of my thing was like, even like I know credit cards are actually pretty good
at getting your money back if there was fraud.
But I was like, even if it does happen, I just don't want to deal with something that's
high of a bill and I am not going to buy, this is for like buying small things online.
That was the only reason why I had mine.
I immediately locked it up and just knew the number and was like, okay.
And I mean, here's a little thing that people don't know is that you can preload your credit
card if you have a $500 limit on your credit card.
Cause like I would build computers for people all the time when I was in high school, early
university.
And what I would do is I would take my, I would either collect money from them ahead
of time, or I would take from my checking account if I was expecting payment after the
fact.
And I would just load into my credit card, which doesn't cost you anything.
And then I believe the way that it worked back then anyway, is you would have to do
multiple $500 transactions, but you could do them back to back to back.
And if the sales rep is nice and patient with you, that's no big deal.
If you're going into a store to buy some computer hardware or whatever else, it ain't rocket
surgery and same thing.
Like if you have a PayPal account that's tied to your credit card, you can use your credit
cards overloaded miss to overload into paper.
Like there are ways to work around it if you don't trust yourself, which I wasn't ready
to do yet.
And that's self-awareness and logic.
That's not like being weak.
I've got people saying, I refuse to get a credit card.
I don't like the idea of spending more than I have.
Then don't spend more than you have.
Like I'll, I'll, here, I'm going to be a completely upfront with you guys.
I have multiple credit cards personally and through the business that have limits in the
ranges of tens of thousands of dollars each.
Business cards need that.
Do you want to know how much balance I have ever carried over in my life?
For me personally?
Zero.
Yeah.
Nothing.
Yeah.
I use it as an enabler in order to buy things that I wouldn't be able to with traditional
methods like say things online.
And for rewards.
And for rewards.
The rewards are the bomb.
Getting that cash back check.
Costco cards.
Free money.
Are really good.
And we're talking, I'm not advocating for like, use your credit card for everything.
I personally do because I'm responsible.
But the thing too though is that you have to be responsible, log into your bank account.
Okay.
I find it easier.
I know I'm lazy about tracking things.
I find it easier to track my debit card so I don't use my credit card for as much as
I probably should in order to get the rewards.
But I see the ability to track it better as worth it.
So if you're willing to, see for me, I actually use my credit card for everything.
So I'm still only tracking one statement.
Mine is still through my bank.
Your bank is the ghetto.
Your bank is the ghetto.
We've had this conversation.
You can't live track purchases.
All of them.
They come in later.
Sometimes up to like a week down the line.
I hate you.
It's so bad.
Basically, I just have to like estimate what it's going to be and then figure out what
my bill is at the end of the month.
And I'm like, all right, that's pretty much what I was expecting.
Anyway, there is no, and here's another thing.
There is no reason that you can't pay your credit card bill more frequently than once
a month.
Whoa.
And I used to do that all the time because I had a $500 limit.
So I'd spend 450 bucks of cash that I had and then I would go pay it so that I'd be
back up to my limit so I could use my credit card to get my rewards.
I mean, we're talking grade four math here.
Okay.
Like we're talking, we're talking addition that you don't even have to do because screw
grade four, we got calculators for that shit.
Like it is not a big deal.
You just have to be cognizant of what you're doing.
And it's really funny.
I don't see a credit card.
Like I basically removed the credit from the thing.
I don't use it for credit really.
Right.
I just use it to enable online purchases.
Tell me this, what burns a hole in your pocket more, a credit card or cash?
Actually, I want to straw pull this too because I want to talk about this.
Okay.
Um, what's easier to overspend credit card, American cash, not Canadian cash, American
cash.
Yes.
I'm going to get you to elaborate on that because, uh, okay, okay.
Tell me about this.
It all looks the same.
So the, the wad, when you're in Canada, the wad gets smaller as you run out of money.
When you're in the States, sometimes the wad gets bigger.
That's very interesting.
Cause you spend, you spend a 20, you spend five bucks with a $20 bill and it might give
you back 15 ones or like one 10 and five ones, which just massively increase the amount of
bills that you have.
And this is interesting too.
Cause when you have a pile of Canadian money, it's quick to look at this and go, I have
likes amount.
Yeah.
That's color coordinated.
That's kind of worthless.
There's a bunch of blue in there.
Those are literally the lowest denomination bills we have.
So I'm not a baller.
Yes.
It looks like a monopoly money, but actually that's fine cause it's very quick and easy
to figure out what you have.
That's why they color coded in monopoly by the way.
Whereas this, I could flash that and that could be $3 or it could be $300.
I love, I love seeing like super gangster videos on YouTube where they're throwing money
around and then pausing and being like, that's a one and that's a one and that's a one and
that's $3 and nothing that you just did matters.
Go to the dollar menu at McDonald's and have yourself a meal.
I had someone comment on, do I have glitter in my hair?
Yes I do.
Channel super fun video incoming.
I can't, I can't really tease it, but let's go to that straw poll for a minute.
I want to see those results.
So this is interesting and this actually backs up my experience as well because I have since
the day I got a bank account when I was like 11 or whatever, 10, something like that.
So when, since I was a young kid, when I first got like a savings account, I have always
used my debit card for pretty much everything.
Like I'm a, I'm like a plastic generation kid.
Yeah, me too.
So for me, the only time I would ever take cash out would be when I had the intent to
spend it at a place that only accepts cash.
Like Craigslist or Richmond.
Like Craigslist or yeah, the entire city of Richmond.
So for me, cash in my wallet is cash that's already been subtracted from the bank balance
for me.
So it's like, it's like, it's like free money.
It's disposable.
It's not real anymore.
It feels like it's not supposed to be there.
It's supposed to be in the bank or it's supposed to be with someone else.
I've already written it off.
I've already allocated it.
It's probably not counted on your cost sheets anymore.
It's probably been withdrawn from that.
Exactly.
Because I never factor cash into my monthly balance sheet.
So for me, I find cash a way bigger problem than the card because the card gives me stress.
The card gives me, sorry, how much is it?
You have to check something.
There's some amount of unknownness.
There's some amount of checking and balance.
The cash is just like, whoa, no big deal.
This doesn't change my bank balance.
Woo.
Venti cappuccinos for everyone.
So it's interesting to see that actually more of you are having that experience than people
who are like, oh, I can't handle the, I can't handle the credit card.
You know, that I find that too easy to spend.
Very, very interesting.
I find the credit card annoying because I don't know the number off the top of my head
because I don't use it that much.
So if I ever buy something online, I have to like look it up.
That's a good point too.
PayPal is actually another one.
PayPal is easy.
That one click, Amazon, that one click with the save credit card.
That's one thing that I do for my own checking and balancing kind of thing with PayPal is
I check it every single time before I use it.
Right.
I will not buy something without checking it.
I'm pretty good at checking all my stuff.
Just the one thing is that it's basically impossible for me to accurately check my credit
card.
So I don't really like using it too much.
I'm going to get a different one.
There's a problem with like my address and stuff, which is why I can't get a new one
because my bank won't update my new address.
So when I try to file for a new address, you've lived there for like two years.
When I try, when I try to file for a new card, they check my previous card and they're like,
your address is wrong.
As your boss and as your friend, okay, so as your friend, yo dog, get a new bank as
your boss.
I am offering you a $4 a month raise to get a new bank and pay for your stupid bank account.
Sometimes in life you get what you pay for.
And then, okay.
If Yvonne needs the backup on this offer of a $48 a year raise, okay, just send her this
clip of the video.
She'll be like, no, really Linus said if I, but I want to see proof of performance.
I want you to show me your debit card and your credit card from your new bank that it's
a real bank.
Oh my God.
That's so beautiful.
All right.
So, uh, let's, let's, uh, uh, this article was posted crap by who, um, blippity bloopity
someone on the forum and it's not listed.
Okay.
So Oculus is Palmer lucky thinks liquid cooling, uh, digital trends.
Liquid cooling is so 2015 uses propane for his PC gaming rig.
Hold up.
I want to defend Palmer here for a second.
He super didn't say that at all.
Nowhere anywhere was he like, oh yeah, water cooling felt 2015.
He was just like, I enjoy computer hardware stuff and I want to do something cool and
I'm going to do liquid propane rig.
And it like sounds super bad ass.
It was posted in like a short little blurb thing on Reddit during a huge Q and a where
everyone is freaking out about the price and exclusivity things about Oculus and shutting
down a whole bunch of those things and stuff and it was fine.
So, so basically the guy, the dude's just like a cool techie dude.
Yeah.
He's experimented with liquid nitrogen cooling in the past.
Um, it's a huge pain to work with.
I actually don't know if that was a revelation from him or just something that, uh, I mean
the, you know, it's really, it's really interesting.
You can always tell how, how new someone is by their suggestion that, oh man, what if
you did like a liquid nitrogen cooling PC?
Not how it works.
Okay.
Liquid nitrogen to have, okay.
To have, to have a liquid nitrogen cooled PC that actually recycled the liquid nitrogen
and like, so like recondensed it or something before running it through, I don't know what
kind of insulation you'd be looking at to have that.
It is not a 24 seven setup.
It is a suicide run benchmark setup.
It is not a thing about as drag racing your computer.
It's not, yes, you're drag racing, you're dragging it to the track and then drag racing
your computer.
Yes.
You don't drive it home.
Yeah.
That, that, that computer literally doesn't have a, what was it?
What was that revelation that I had recently?
Um, yeah.
Okay.
It's, it's, it's literally, it doesn't have an alternator.
Okay.
To save weight.
I was like, Oh yeah, that makes sense.
But it never occurred to me.
Yeah.
What would a race car need an alternator for?
You start it to start and then that that's it.
You go, you don't recharge the battery.
What are you doing?
Wasting power off the drive.
Right.
Um, so, so anyway, liquid nitrogen, not a thing about as hardcore as it gets is phase
change with some people going as far as to run like cascading phase change systems where
you've got a phase that cools a phase that cools another phase that cools the CPU.
So he's not even actually getting that hardcore, but he's working on a project that would have
a small powerful PC with no heat sinks and fans that would be cooled by liquid propane.
This is totally different, totally hardcore in a very different way.
So by, by not that hardcore, it's, it's, it's, it's not that cool.
Not all right.
Okay.
It's very cool.
It's not that cold there.
It's like cascaded systems that can get a CPU under load down to like nearing triple
digits.
We're talking really, really cold.
This is not even that practical because like you could actually run a system like that
24 seven if you were willing to put up with the noise.
This is kind of like the way that we did our mineral oil PC system where we submerged in
mineral oil for like not even better performance.
Water cooling is literally better than mineral oil in every possible way, maintenance time
to set up cooling performance.
This is just a cool project.
Super bad ass.
Super BA.
Yeah.
So do you want to explain a little bit about how it works then?
It's cooled by liquid propane, like he said, it's boiled into, okay, when we say boiled,
the boiling point for propane is not negative 42 degrees.
Not a hundred degrees.
Yeah.
So it boils like at a really low temperature just to be clear.
It's boiled into gaseous propane and an expansion block.
It can compress back into a tank under really high pressure if you wanted to, or it can
vent out of a burner nozzle for super cooling to sub zero temperatures.
If he had more time, he says that he would vent the propane to a small turbine generator,
which we hooked up to the power supply, which is actually pretty freaking cool, but he can't
justify that kind of work right now, which kind of totally makes sense.
Cause he's busy building the rift.
Yeah.
Which is kind of sick.
That's negative 42 degrees Celsius.
One thing that I hate about Palmer and Musk is that they can both do multiple things that
are way cooler than what I'm doing.
It's like, oh, I want to do a single thing that is that cool.
We do stuff that's pretty cool.
I built the mineral oil rig.
He's doing a liquid propane rig.
Way to up me guy.
Yeah, that's true.
We could contact three M about that other, that other material.
You remember what that stuff's called?
We can do cool things.
We built seven gamers, one CPU, which was technically me and not you, but you know,
the fallout ring was cool.
Well, lime tech kind of had a lot to do with that.
That's true.
Actually without lime tech's help, sorry, Taren, without lime tech's help, that rig
would not have been a thing, but, uh, you know, I was talking to John who I think has
a minor in chemistry.
Really?
Were you?
No, this John.
Oh, that John.
Really?
He has a minor in chemistry?
I think so.
John?
I don't want to yell too loud.
Sorry guys.
So I won't.
Hey, John.
There he is.
That was really fast.
You have a minor in chemistry?
Yes.
Yeah.
Are you cooking meth?
This is a loaded question, isn't it?
Okay.
See you later.
So I've been talking to him and we might try it.
Oh, it was, it was John, not Yvonne.
You're good.
Too many people that work here now.
I know.
I know you can be like, Nick.
Anyways, John has a minor in chemistry.
I've been talking to him.
We might try to do some cool stuff with some things.
That's literally all I'm going to say right now.
All right.
Cool stuff with some things.
I'm into that.
I'm into cool stuff with things.
Yeah.
Does it involve the butt?
Technically it would be part of the person who did the thing so that it involves at least
one butt.
Okay.
I like it.
Yeah.
Is there a way we can involve six butts?
Maybe.
One at a time is okay.
I can work on, okay, probably.
Okay.
Excellent.
Speaking of butts, this is a pretty butt idea.
This is posted by section 35 on the forum.
Original article here is from Forbes.
You're going to pop that up on the screen.
Is it the 35th section of the butt?
I'm contingent of what?
It was posted by section 35.
All right.
Posted by Gordon Kelly on Forbes iPhone 7 leaks confirm and this is quote unquote confirm.
In fact it says that right on the article except it's this kind of quote.
Also Forbes is getting up there as like one of the more annoying websites to go to.
Yeah just throwing that out there.
Confirm Apple abandoning the headphone jack.
I love the quote unquote confirm.
I know you just said that but like oh my God.
I love that.
It's a good way to acknowledge.
At least it's not the click bait headline that's like Apple get rid of the headphone
jack.
Then you click the article and it's like maybe.
According to like some dude.
Like the Vive pricing thing.
I know this was a rejected topic.
I'm just going to put it down here real quick.
No let's talk about it.
Okay we're jumping off the rails.
We're going to get back to the iPhone 7 leak.
Hit that.
Hit that topic.
This isn't a video that's coming soon to YouTube and is already on Vessel.
I barely touched on it in the overarching thing of the whole thingy.
But a bunch of sites recently have reported on the Vive being $1500.
And they've been kind of losing their source as it's been kind of trickling down the line.
If you go all the way back which took me a surprising amount of time.
All the way into the butt of the source.
It ends up on a Taiwanese website which is just saying that like I think the exact translated
quote was like foreign financial investigators or analysts or something.
So like nope.
Some guy says.
Some guy said to some guy maybe if that even happened in Taiwan that it's maybe $1500 because
he's speculating.
And then everyone else was like oh my god Vive $1500.
The whole internet freaked out.
Oh my god it might be $1500 I'm betting no.
I'm betting on no as well.
I'm betting on no because I really have to because I want one.
I'm actually kind of on the I'm kind of on the Vive bandwagon right now.
From CES that's actually super fair.
From before CES I would think you were crazy.
But like Vive at CES is a pretty pretty bad ass piece of kit I could paint for days.
Like no seriously yeah crap what is it called?
I don't remember but it's awesome.
Something brush.
I don't care but I'm going to buy it.
Art brush or something.
Wicked demo.
Oh man.
And like I know they already had it for the original one I know but it's a totally different
ballgame now.
The screen is way better.
The tracking on everything is astronomically better than it used to be.
Yvonne didn't get sick.
Yeah.
On the Vive.
Yeah.
She gets sick on everything.
Yeah.
She gets sick on boats.
I mean it's like she gets such it's like everything gets sick playing portal.
Yeah.
On a flat screen.
Yeah.
In front of her.
No big deal.
It's gotten way better.
Like completely when I saw it I was like what because it looked totally different there's
a camera on the front.
So did I tell you what the camera on the front does?
No.
Okay.
Yes but I'm saying no so that you'll explain it for the purposes of the show.
Again this is coming out in the video on YouTube next Thursday I think it's already on Vessel
as of yesterday.
It was a little bit rushed but I think it's good.
There's a camera on the front of the Vive now.
I made a joke which I'm hoping everyone realizes is a joke because there's something in front
of me so you can't see my face making the joke which is a little bit worrisome but it's
fine.
That no one told HTC that it wasn't a phone.
Ah.
So they put a camera on the front.
Anyways.
As long as they didn't put a camera on the inside for like VR selfies.
That might eventually be coming not for VR selfies but for eye tracking.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's not a thing yet but maybe eventually.
But the camera on the front is for a couple things.
One is what people are calling the cat detection system and I don't remember the actual more
proper name for the whole system but whatever don't remember that it's in the video check
it out.
What it does is it you know how before it would set the boundaries and give you blue
outlined walls for where the walls were.
Now those walls can be set up by you and by actual walls in the room because it can see
them.
And if you look at like if you look down here you would see the table and all the stuff
on the table but just like blue grid versions of them not the actual things.
And that will help you with the cat detection system which will make it so you don't like
step on your cat.
Right.
Which is I didn't realize how incredibly important that was.
Until you killed a cat.
Several cats.
Until I realized that people aren't going to be doing this in demo rooms with people
walking around.
Yep.
It's going to be done possibly by yourself at home and things are going to go wrong and
it's going to be a problem.
Much like masturbation.
Except usually I think that's fine.
Things can go wrong.
That's fair.
Especially with a VR headset on.
And the butt.
And the butt.
Yep.
So moving on to what is this show even about?
iPhone leaks.
iPhone leaks.
No hold on we'll get back to that in a minute actually I wanted to do that I wanted to do
that Twitter blitz that I forget what it was about.
There was a thing.
Logs onto the WAN show first thing Linus says are you cooking meth and after the ad him
talking about butts.
Yes that is this show.
Novak 7000 by the way is that fluid I love how someone knew what we were talking about.
Yes.
Please mention the giveaway deadline.
Do you know what it is?
No.
For that Super Micro?
Okay.
I don't.
Okay we don't know.
We need to contact Super Micro.
They're actually the ones handling that.
They'll be shipping it directly to you.
Yeah.
Make it rain Canadian money.
Cash definitely.
Oh was that it?
Was it the Twitter?
No.
I don't think so.
Okay forget it.
Moving on to the iPhone 7 leaks.
So basically here's where we're at.
There's a pair of sources within Apple's Chinese supply chain that have independently confirmed
that Apple will ditch the headphone jack from the iPhone 7.
Can we say independently claimed?
Yeah.
I think that's probably more accurate.
I'm not even saying.
Nope.
Hasn't there been rumours about this since forever?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure.
Like this is probably happening.
I think going back to the 5 or the 5S it was rumoured that Apple would completely lose
their mind and take away the headphone jack all in the name of making the device slimmer,
something that literally no one has asked for and even Apple with the camel hump battery
pack has acknowledged is not necessarily the right answer.
Yeah.
So like I'm not saying it's, it's just, it's a claim.
It's a claim.
So the expectation and honestly like this more than the Beats music service, which is
what a lot of folks speculated the Beats acquisition was all about.
This might explain the Beats acquisition.
The last couple generations of products from Beats have been markedly better than the earlier
ones, which if you're being honest with yourself, if you own one of them, I'm sorry you paid
so many hundreds of dollars for it.
It's a piece of garbage, complete piece of garbage.
Newer ones actually even considered by experts within the audio file community, which is
about like having a, you know, like a card in your wallet that says I'm a cool dude,
but take it for what it is.
Experts within the audio file community acknowledge as being actually pretty good.
Um, but the cable is so danceable, but the kid, yeah, I know danceable cables.
I know.
Anyway, so this could explain it because how was Apple going to get support from a major
headphone manufacturer to move away from the three and a half millimeter Jack?
I mean, Apple has asked for leaps of faith before.
Okay.
Wire up your three and a half mil Jack so that it's, he works with our volume control
and not someone else's, but still, you know, carry sound regardless of the phone that you're
using.
Uh, how was Apple going to convince someone to make this leap, put a lightning connector
on your pair of headphones unless they just ran out and acquired the number one largest
market share headphone maker in the United States, which by the way, beats last time
I checked was, yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
I am surprised that it would be that big of a jump because I think we just feel like an
adapter.
Yeah, I guess you could make an adapter, an expensive adapter, but it's probably an expensive
adapter out of price ranges and no one's going to want to make, I don't know.
Then again, people paid $300 for beats by Dre back in the day.
So um, anyway, yeah, so the, the move is apparently, again, this is all speculation at this point,
um, to help Apple engineer thinner new models as well as drive users towards wireless headphones
as well, which wireless headphones are really not wireless headphones.
Yeah.
I don't want a thinner phone, literally don't want any of this stuff.
I don't like wireless headphones.
I mean, they're don't want a thinner phone.
There are decent wireless headphones out there and they're going to drain my battery and
I might have to disconnect my watch.
We'll have to deal with batteries and you'll have to, yeah, so, um, so again, more rumors.
Apple will introduce audio output profiles to compensate for the loss of the headphone
jack.
Um, so we'll set the iPhone seven to switch between different wired and wireless output
profiles depending on the scenario and I guess, yeah, what is there, what else is there to
really, to really say about this?
Wait and see.
Yeah.
Wait and see, um, it's probably not a million years till the seven comes out.
I mean, I get like the, the, the, the very big picture, like the, the, the huge picture,
there was actually a rumor, uh, this week that Apple was because of a regulatory pressure
working on a tool to help users migrate from iOS to Android.
Um, this, this kind of ties into that, which Apple denied outright.
They said, actually we're working on getting users to migrate from Android to iOS and it's
going great.
Um, this to me, like, so, so Apple's, so Apple's philosophy where it's more, it's all about
making it more difficult to get out of their ecosystem, the apps you've invested in, the
accessories you've invested in, all these things.
If Apple can snag you for a longer term purchase that is a big ticket purchase, then they have
effectively locked you into their ecosystem in a way that they actually couldn't before
because even content you've purchased on iTunes, which is a great way to help lock into an
ecosystem.
Oh, I've got a bunch of movies I can, or I've got a bunch of songs I can only listen to
on my iPhone.
Well, you can, you can still listen to those songs on other devices.
No, no, this is, this is the ultimate.
It's like, uh, it's like Nvidia locking you into buying there cause Apple has to fight
for the customer every generation and they needing to buy a, this is going to be terrible
and people are going to hate this analogy that I'm using, but it's like needing to buy
a G force version of a game instead of a radio on version of a game.
Yes.
Okay.
So Apple probably recognized this in the iPhone five, five S five C era where they didn't
capture the hearts and minds of the customers as well as they have more recently with the
six S and you know, they kind of must've thought to themselves, well gee, we have to fight
for the customer every generation.
We have to keep innovating on what is effectively becoming a block of aluminum and glass that
sits in your pocket and has a couple of antennas and you make phone calls and you listen to
music and watch movies on there.
They're becoming very commodity.
So if Apple can figure out how to, how to have something tied to it, that is a separate
longterm investment.
The phone people are used to upgrading every one to two to three years, but a pair of headphones,
I think people believe that they should get five years out of a good quality pair of headphones.
So if Apple can sell you a headphone that only really works without an awkward, weird
and or expensive adapter with their phones, then you're going to have to keep buying the
Apple upgrade.
It's yet another way to lock you into the ecosystem, which I personally find abhorrent
because there is no practical reason to do this other than to make the phone thinner
and lighter, which nobody asked for.
You're not going to get a sound quality improvement unless you go and put like, no, I can't.
Unless you use, unless you use the data connection that is lightning to have a bigger battery
powered amp and DAC in the headphones, but then you're putting a bunch more weight on
your head.
So you could make arguments and someone exactly, and someone will come up with something that
leverages the lightning connector for, you know, blah, blah, blah, bit rate, HD sounds,
blah, blah, blah.
Did you just say this is the best way to get high into audio files?
Also, it would have made sense.
So I disagree with this move.
I think it's a big load of crap.
And apparently a lot of people agree with me because they're already petition circulating
how many signatures?
I think it was almost 300,000, like really close to 300,000 signatures.
I signed for lulls because I do legitimately think it would be a terrible, terrible idea.
And I also legitimately think that the petition will do jack all.
I mean, breaking standards that have been standards for literally, you know, decades
and that are just fine.
That no amount of silver cables or, you know, what other, what other stuff have people tried
to do to the, to the quarter inch and the whatever, whatever it is.
Haven't they done like the carbon fiber wrapped cable because it keeps the electrons inside
better and stuff like there's been some weird stuff.
Nothing has actually really improved that.
I mean, when we're talking professional applications, you can start talking about balanced XLR or
whatever else the case may be.
But when we're talking about what an actual normal consumer needs and a device that fits
in their pocket, you need to get the monster cable for your 3.5 millimeter.
Yeah, the three and a half millimeter Jack has served us just fine.
And like there were times when I was really wondering if it was the end of the three and
a half millimeter Jack.
I mean, do you remember for a bit there, the early days of like Discman's when every three
and a half mil Jack failed within like a year or two on every device.
And you always had to like hold your Discman with your finger, pressing the connector.
Like yeah, man, I carry my Discman around in my hand cause it's cool.
Usually I can only hear in one ear when I don't do this, but that's improved so much
industry wide that has improved dramatically in the last five to 10 years.
It's never really a problem anymore.
Yeah.
It's never a problem anymore.
Your micro USB port is going to fail before your three and a half mil Jack Apple, please
don't do this.
There.
I would prefer if you did not.
All right.
We've got more, more Oculus, more Oculus stuff.
So original article here is from ours Technica and it was posted by what just happened?
Sleep probably or monitor turn off, there we go.
Not sleep, just monitor turn off.
We should probably disable that.
Well, it's not usually an issue.
We don't normally talk about a topic for that long and I touch it a lot more often.
I mean, I'm all about touching it often.
He likes touching.
So next topic here, another Oculus thing posted by cube on the forum and I see now I've gotten
totally, this is such a great headline.
Usually ours is a lot more responsible than this.
Oculus founder, your crappy PC is the biggest barrier to VR adoption.
Okay.
This was taken out of context.
Okay.
So to put it again, that's what the wind show is.
It's all about putting it back in the appropriate context context.
Bring it on.
Cause my system's locked up here for a second.
I think like basically to tie into this, Nvidia has been saying that 13 million PCs will be
capable of running Oculus stuff, which is essentially, it sounds like a lot.
It's not.
Yeah, it's really not.
At all.
It's like 1% of PCs.
Less.
Yeah.
It's less than 1%.
It's a low number.
That are capable of, I forget what the word they used was, delivering a good VR experience.
Not even like, great, cause that's another thing that I've been noticing is that on the
Oculus website, they're like, is it recommended or minimum specs?
Whatever it is.
They're like, you need a 970.
And every time I look at that, I'm like, Ooh, I don't know.
Because you need minimums of 90, not averages of 90.
And I think people constantly forget about that.
Frames per second.
Frames per second.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like, it's kind of an issue.
Lucky is saying that in terms of VR adoption, high end graphics hardware should be pushed
a lot harder now than it was in the past.
And that's actually probably true.
Because if graphics card makers are releasing, they're like, we want everyone to buy this
card and it can't run the thing that everyone's talking about.
That's really embarrassing for them.
Yep.
And you know what?
That trend has actually been going for a while.
I mean, subtle things like Nvidia removing their GTX branding from anything that's not
actually capable of running games at 1080p.
That happened over the last couple of years here.
Even you know, this is really interesting.
I actually have it.
We've got a lot of great videos coming soon.
So his VR thing should be like, nothing's definitive, but like should be like the excellent
showdown on Rift versus Vive.
And then I've got something really interesting coming about buying a gaming PC at Best Buy.
We literally went with a credit card.
Best Buy knew nothing about this.
We went and bought a PC, a gaming.
We went and asked a sales rep, I want to buy a gaming PC.
What should I buy?
And I was floored to find out that it actually had like a decent graphics card in it.
So that...
Was not a thing when I worked there when I was a kid.
So that trend is already happening, pushing towards instead of selling the thing that
has a palatable price point, selling the thing that will actually do the job is already happening.
And sorry, I'll let you carry on now.
We're not there yet, is where my previous point was talking about, like the 970 sketches
me out in terms of VR gaming and that's a 970.
Like you should be fine with the 970 for like whatever you're doing.
People with 980s, I'm like, I probably...
Good luck.
Because most of the like native VR games that are built specifically for VR will probably
be fine for you.
But for people that added VR support after and that wasn't the main focus of their game,
you might still have a pretty big problem.
That's an issue.
So he has said in the near future, that demand will push PC tech to the point where even
that crappy PC will be able to power a convincing VR experience, which is cool and a really
good point and a really good quote.
And it's more talking about the long standing statement that Oculus has had, which is where
they're aiming for mass adoption.
Yeah, they missed it this time, but I don't know, you probably could have figured that
out even if it was just in minimum specs and not even the surprising price of the headset.
It has also said that if normal PCs get good enough to run VR, then the majority of people
will be able to buy a relatively cheap headset and just use whatever computer they already
own to drive it.
That's talking again down the line, different headset, not talking about this version of
the Rift, not talking about normal PCs right now.
Talking about once a crappy PC reaches that level, a crappy PC.
So the quote was kind of taken out of context and he's using the evolution of cell phones
and the pricing of cell phones as an example of how that whole thing shook down where you've
gotten and cell phones are an example.
There's a thousand examples.
Digital cameras are another great example where at the beginning they were like, at
the beginning they were very trash.
And if you look back to the early days of VR, yep, it was all trash.
And then came, you know, which for me, the PowerShot A20 was like what happened when
I went, okay, a digital camera is actually good enough to be somewhat usable, but I spent
like $600 on it.
And now that technology, you know, the PowerShot A20 and much better than the PowerShot A20
is so commodity that it's inside every cell phone.
And that's the adoption curve.
That's what it takes for something to go mainstream to the point where a crappy phone is better
than what was the $600 Cadillac experience however many years ago.
And another thing that I said not to spoil the entire video that is coming out on Thursday
is that...
The Web Show, Luke's upcoming video edition.
Yeah, it needs the Android butter update or the like 3GS release for it to really explode.
This is not where VR is going to get big.
This is where VR is going to get big with the small percentage of a small percentage
of a small percentage which is computer hardware guys that are into really high-end stuff and
have enough money to afford it.
And our dorks.
And our dorks.
And it's going to be wonderful.
Which is okay because...
We're going to enjoy it and it's going to be awesome, but that's what needs to happen
right now.
And then hopefully a little bit after that it'll be the hardcore guys that can afford
it but the price is cheaper and then eventually it'll be everyone because it's easy to get
and easy to use and everyone likes it.
It has to go through these stages and that's fine.
That's more what he's saying.
So there you go.
VR is a thing for the super rich who also are willing to allocate that amount of their
expendable excess income.
Not super rich.
No, for the super rich or the people who are willing to take what money they have and allocate
a lot of it to this experience.
In some communities that I've been, I've seen people talking that have been saving for this
launch since DK2.
That includes me.
I knew this was coming.
It's fine.
I didn't think it was going to be this expensive.
I actually didn't think they were going to hit their target.
I did think it was going to be over $350 or whatever they were guessing, but I didn't
really think it was going to be $600.
And you didn't think the Canadian dollar would have fallen 25%?
I didn't think it was going to end up being like actually almost $1,000 because rip Canadian
dollar.
But yeah.
Yeah.
All right, so let's move on to ways that you might be able to save some, oh, so let's move
on to our sponsors ways to make sure that Luke can afford to buy an Oculus.
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To be honest, I think I made it kind of fun.
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I had fun with it too.
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And then what we decided after that meeting was that, no, that's really hard.
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It would be really hard to do it accurately.
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Tunnel burpaderp, you know?
And, and you just kind of go, okay, I want to be like, as if I'm from Great Britain and
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I'm not Burkle.
I can't do it either.
It's fine.
I just don't even at all.
Yeah.
It's better not to because I can't tell me something.
Why is it okay for me to imitate an accent as long as it's an accent that it's mostly
other white people who have, let's not get into that on this show.
Okay.
But it's not, but, but, but if you do a Great Britain and you say Australian, Oh no, that
they'll still be upset about that.
But in general, like, like it would be politically correct sort of for me to do an Australian
accent.
No one's upset about that.
But if I were to run around doing a Chinese accent, no one would like that.
That would be wrong.
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No, I just, it's, it's the stereotypical, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not racist.
I have a black friend, you know, the whole, like the, the, the, the white people defense.
Um, no, but I legitimately have a Chinese wife, which I think maybe does give you some
legit straight up.
My kids are Chinese.
Okay.
I don't know where she is.
So there you go.
I mean, and, and, and with that said, then am I allowed?
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know these rules, I'm really bad at PC stuff.
Hold on a second.
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Oh, I meant politically correct.
If my nuclear family is literally half Chinese, because my wife and all of my kids, actually,
if any of my kids weren't half Chinese, that would be a serious, slight issue.
That wouldn't technically be your nuclear family.
It could be.
Cause I would argue that a step kid is a, is a nuclear family.
So I could have technically come in with like a half white, half ginger kid or something
like that.
Um, so, so if my nuclear family is half Chinese, am I allowed to do the Chinese accent?
And I literally, I don't know.
And does this and does this, this is a Lisa's channel and does, does the fact that my wife
is only really ethnically Chinese and culturally Western.
Does that affect it?
Because she doesn't speak, she was actually born in Brunei, but doesn't speak a lick of
Mandarin.
I just don't even, I just stay super far away from this stuff cause I have no idea.
Everyone's saying no.
Everyone's saying no.
It's probably no, because you are not individually, I don't think it includes the nuclear family.
I think it's just you.
All right, so let's move on to our next topic here.
That was too much fun.
Uh, oh, the problem with overclocking on non-Z chipsets.
So this was originally posted over on Tom's Hardware and news has recently surfaced that
some motherboard manufacturers, notably ASRock and Supermicro, have found a way to overclock
Skylake CPUs on H class chipsets, so cheapo motherboards.
And Luke talked about this at CES, there's actually Supermicro's doing a giveaway, which
Luke hosted, which some of you asked about.
Of the whole system.
Of the entire system.
I don't know when the deadline is.
But this is not as cut and dried and like, woo, party time!
As people might have initially anticipated.
So while you can overclock on a non-Z chipset, which Intel has enforced for quite some time
now, you're gonna have to have a K unlocked CPU, and you're gonna have to have a Z enthusiast
grade overclockable chipset.
There are some limitations, so what do we got here for limitations?
So it kills your hyperthreading, theoretically.
On some boards.
On some not Supermicro ones.
Yeah, which is interesting.
It kills your hyperthreading on other ones.
You're unable to use C states to reduce voltage and power consumption when the system is idle,
and I think there's some crashing problems, but the main thing is unable to use C states
and kills hyperthreading.
Asus states that using modded chipsets will also lose support for some instruction sets.
Hardware modifications and firmware support must be added to work on a chipset like H170
or B150, so this has to be something where the motherboard maker is like, going out there.
When talking to Supermicro, they have to do custom BIOS stuff, there has to be a custom
chip to bypass the Intel thing, there's a lot of custom work that has to be done.
So like they were telling me, there is an increased cost.
So these cost more than each series ones as well, so if you're just buying it as a motherboard
and not planning to overclock, that's a terrible idea, because it'll be less stable and cost
more.
And Asus' take on this is that any non-Z170 boards designed to overclock would have significant
reliability issues and could result in numerous CPU and motherboard failures.
So an Asus representative basically said that to develop and sell these motherboards to
its users would damage its standing among PC enthusiasts and made it clear that it felt
producing motherboards with modified chipsets would be a huge liability and that it would
be irresponsible and a disservice to its loyal customers.
Ever since Supermicro told me about that, I've been really interested in what it's actually
like.
So you could say things like, okay, an H170 board designed to overclock wouldn't be reliable,
but part of the problem might be that an H170 board is typically designed with components
that are not designed to overclock.
And that's the thing, and then the Supermicro guys have added more heatsinks.
So if you build an H170 board that's designed to overclock, then maybe.
Who knows, but then you're bypassing things, which might cause stability problems there,
there might be other issues, like, I don't know.
I really want to get my hands on one and just mess with it a bunch.
So the Tom's Hardware article is actually excellent.
So ASRock has two H170 motherboards and one B150 motherboard and one C232 chipset motherboard
with overclocking features.
Gigabyte didn't say much.
MSI kind of expressed concerns about reliability and all that, but part of it is I don't know
how seriously to take the reliability concerns, because sometimes a reliability concern is
just that, a concern.
It's a concern because we haven't tested it.
This is new and it's sketchy, so, uh-uh.
So we're not sure.
Which is fair.
Yeah.
I'm completely honest.
Which is totally fair.
Yeah.
And ASUS's stance where they're like, we don't want to do this because we don't know a lot
about it, and we have some concerns, so we're not going to do it.
And we're frankly not worried about, you know, Supermicro's H170 overclocking board taking
away a significant amount of our market share.
Like, that's a totally valid-
That's probably a good stance to go with.
As the 800-pound gorilla in the motherboard industry, that's a pretty safe and responsible
approach.
I also think Supermicro's approach is probably exactly what they should do, too.
They're trying to carve out a space in the gaming thing for motherboards, and this is
an aggressive way to carve out a space other than just making a green motherboard.
Because the reality of it is, there's not a whole lot of ways to differentiate on the
motherboard these days, because the costs are controlled by factors that are outside
of ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, Supermicro, whoever you want to name.
I mean, Intel charges everyone the same amount for a chipset.
And that dictates that a Z-class motherboard is going to be over $100.
I got some interesting looks in the Supermicro suite when I was like, this is cool, and mostly
mumbled that part.
And then was like, because motherboards are so boring.
I had to reiterate afterwards, I was like, because there's no differences, and this finally
makes them different.
And then they were like, oh, OK, OK, I'm like, no, no, it's fine.
But yeah, look at the ASUS suite.
I covered their boards this year.
I don't know why it got so many views.
One of them was white camo, one of them had some RGB lights and an RGB header, and the
other one was small.
And there might have been like AI suite features that accompanied those boards that made them
better.
When was the last time you installed AI suite?
Well, OK, the last thing I got excited about that ASUS changed was that you no longer have
to install AI suite to use their onboard fan control.
So there is still room for innovation, but it's fairly incremental.
How nice your UEFI is.
Yeah, there's a fair bit of that.
Which is like, and in Gigabyte's defense, their 1080p UEFI does look very good.
It's pretty clean.
It does look great.
For the like 10 minutes that you see it.
Yes.
It's pretty cool.
Because most people are pretty fast at UEFI now, especially because you can use a mouse
and arrow keys and go really quickly.
It really doesn't take that long to select that dare boot device.
OK, so this is supposed to buy NAEAEASNES that bit on the forum, and this is kind of
funny because I'm going to be I'm going to give you guys an unusual insight into the
inner workings of Linus Media Group, where our Predator 240 and 360 coverage was not
very well received, actually by a variety of parties.
Some of you complained about it, said we rushed it, we did rush it, by the way, said we rushed
it.
EK wasn't happy because they said we rushed it.
The plan wasn't to rush it.
No, the plan wasn't to rush it.
But the reason it got rushed was that it leaked and that is traffic.
It leaked.
It leaked.
It failed.
And we ended up having to get a new unit and something, something production schedules,
et cetera, deadlines.
We ended up having to kind of rush it.
And we talked about in the video how it leaked.
And so EK wasn't super happy with our video because we were like, yeah, it leaked.
And then the coverage of the product honestly wasn't as good as it should have been because
it leaked and we were in a rush.
So this is, this is just kind of funny to me in sort of like a mean spirited way.
I like EK.
They're nice.
They're nice blokes over there.
They, they helped us with the seven gamers, one CPU project.
They helped me with the personal rig update project.
They provided the blocks, not only blocks, but like consultation on making sure that
everything was going to work and also creating a custom part to make seven gamers, one CPU
function that didn't exist before and will likely never need to exist again.
We just, we've got the one and that's all that ever needs to exist because no one should
really build a rig like that.
Anyway, so I like those guys, but this is kind of funny.
They are recalling the predator 240 and 360 units that we reviewed because 10% of them
leak.
Not actually in the way that ours leaked.
Nope.
In a completely different way.
So for ours, one of the fittings didn't seem to be pre-attached from the factory tight
enough.
Yeah.
Not at all.
But anyways, and this is actually between the, I believe it's the top and the bottom
of the CPU block, a O-ring issue, et cetera, et cetera.
To give them some credit, they've got some ballsiness with them.
If you contact EKWB for replacement or refund, they will do so and they will also refund
a customer for any computer component damage created by the leakage.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
That's what they say.
We'll see if they actually, if it happens, tweet me.
Yeah.
If I get an affirmed refund for computer components that died from the leak, tweet me.
Yeah.
And tell me what you had to do to get that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That'd be very interesting.
I'm sure, like I'm sure there's going to be hoops.
Like EK probably wants you to send them the component.
There should be some hoops.
Yeah.
And there should be some hoops.
At the very least a picture showing water damage of some sort or something.
I don't know.
Yeah.
That's too easy to fake.
If I was EK, I would want someone to, with the predator, but they have to ship back anyway.
I would have them put the predator and it's a bunch of broken components.
Just jam it in a box.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not like it has to be meticulously, painstakingly packed.
They're broken.
I would want that box.
I would want it back to them and then I would go, okay, all right, here's your Amazon credit
to go buy it or we'll buy it for you.
We'll ship you new ones or whatever.
I expect them to do something to figure out how to handle that.
So anyway.
A lot of companies in this situation I think would say, send us your things and we'll replace
the things and completely ignore all the things that that thing would have killed.
Oh, that's been done.
Yep.
That's been done.
And Swift Tech, again, I love my bros over at Swift Tech a lot, but the Apple G GTX,
I can't remember, they have just completely lost me on their naming scheme for their water
blocks.
Yeah, who knows?
Yes.
The Apple G GTX, Swift Tech basically washed their hands of any responsibility for things
like corrosion occurring because of problems with the anodization.
They basically went, well, you should have been using Hydrix fluid from Swift Tech.
That's not our fault that your block corroded.
So get rekt son.
That's really unfortunate.
Yeah.
It's not Apple GTX, it's ApoG.
You didn't say that.
Someone in the chat did.
Oh, I was going to say, yeah.
You got it.
Fine.
Okay.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
I did not say this.
But yeah, I had kind of a, cause like I hosted that video.
So when this news came out, I was kind of happy in a horrible person kind of way.
Yeah.
Definitely horrible person kind of way.
Duck Dodgers posted this on the forum.
And the original article here is from Torrent Freak.
This is interesting.
Cracking group warns no more pirated games in as little as two years.
So this is from, so the founder of the notorious Chinese cracking forum 3DM is warning that
given the current state of anti-piracy technology in two years, there may be no more pirate
games to play.
And this comes after attempts to breach the Denuvo security protecting just cause three
pushed the group's cracking expert to the breaking point.
Now with that said, a lot was made of Blu-rays copy protection, which by the way, as someone
who believes in paying for content, but also believes in enjoying the content that he's
paid for the way that he chooses to enjoy it.
I have, I don't know if I should say this.
I have definitely ripped DVD discs and Blu-ray discs that I own.
I have definitely done that.
Those files are definitely on a server for my private consumption when and where I feel
like I want to consume them.
So Blu-ray, speaking from experience, a Blu-ray disc is about as easy to rip as, you know,
using clone DVD back in the day when it was DVDs, where you basically click a button.
So do I necessarily believe that, you know, the Denuvo security protecting just cause
three will never be broken?
No, but what I do believe is that encryption technology is continuing to improve in such
a way that we may get to the point where cracking games that implement newer security measures
all the time may become so time consuming that for people who are actually amped to
play the game, like, you know, near the release time, they might end up just paying for it.
Because otherwise you could end up waiting three, six months in order to enjoy the game,
by which time all your friends might not even be playing it anymore, because let's face
it, whether we like it or not, gaming has become more about the multiplayer experience
than about the single player experience by and large.
I'm talking AAA gaming, not necessarily like mobile gaming.
So if you take away that social experience, well, what's the point anyway?
So Denuvo is a secondary encryption that actually protects existing and underlying DRM products.
And another example would be FIFA 2016, which is still protected by Denuvo and was released
over three months ago.
Doesn't FIFA games often take longer?
I thought that was a thing.
When I was reading this, it's one Chinese cracking forum.
There's often times if you follow things, there's often like the one group that seems
to be really good for a while.
Like one group would just kind of figure it out for a while and then it will kind of trade
which one's doing what.
Certain games just always seem to just have problems.
Maybe no one in that group cared.
Maybe no one on 3DM is a FIFA fan.
I don't know.
But not enough demand is a really interesting reason for something to not end up getting
cracked.
And if the game's old, if it's like yesterday's news, then is it inherently not enough demand?
Probably.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Like maybe not.
But possibly.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I also don't crack games.
So...
Me neither.
I'm not a...
I don't really personally care.
I'm not a cracker, so to speak.
Ohhh.
Although, hearing the news about Alan Rickman...
Oh, I just found out like right before the show.
I love Alan Rickman.
Yeah, I haven't...
I've been just...
Well, yesterday I was completely busy with that.
Super fun.
And then I wrote and hosted...
I wrote one video and hosted two videos.
Like that was my day yesterday.
I didn't even touch my phone pretty much.
And then like today...
I don't even know what...
Oh yeah.
Today I went to a funeral.
I think that's one of the...
Oh wow.
Indeed.
Wow.
I felt really bad immediately after saying that.
Saying it in context actually seems worse.
I don't know why.
That's probably one of the first...
I could be wrong about this.
That's probably one of the first celebrity deaths that felt somewhat personal.
Yeah, Robin Williams kind of hit me pretty hard.
But like Alan Rickman...
Alan Rickman hit me a lot.
Like my favorite movie when I was a kid was Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
I've watched it since as an adult.
It's a terrible movie.
It doesn't matter.
But it's not the point.
Yeah.
That movie was like freaking awesome when I was a kid.
I watched that movie over and over and over again.
And he has had probably more iconic impactful roles for me than almost anyone else.
I rank him right up there with Harrison Ford and Tom Hanks for me.
Like he's awesome and should feel awesome.
Something that I didn't really get and I've always wondered about celebrity deaths and
stuff in the past, I've always been like, wow, I'm surprised the amount of discussion
there is about this.
Someone said something.
I don't remember who it was.
But they said it's, we're not sad because we knew them.
We're sad because they helped us know ourselves or something.
Something along those lines.
And I was like, whoa, that makes a lot of sense with Alan Rickman.
So much.
I was like, okay, I get it.
That's why I'm sad.
That's exactly why I'm sad.
Yeah.
And it's like sometimes a defining moment in your life can be a song you listened to
or a movie you watched or just like a line that was delivered with a...
It's art, right?
Always.
It's art.
It's intangible.
Alan Rickman in Harry Potter is like a huge thing for a lot of people.
And the thing is, to go to why this matters, last night when I was going to the store,
I ended up looking for the entirety of the Harry Potter series.
Oh yeah.
Because I was like, I actually don't have an easy way to watch this.
You have it at Costco.
That's probably not a bad idea.
Get it at Costco.
It was on during the holiday season.
Very good deal.
I almost bought it.
But Yvonne was like, well, we can get it when the kids are a bit older and they're ready
to watch it because right now they're not ready yet.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Anyway, sorry.
Go ahead.
But I don't.
For a long time, I've been like, it's probably on Netflix.
And that's honestly been true for a huge amount of stuff.
So I just kept my Netflix subscription and things have been fine.
I don't think Harry Potter is, at least not in Canada.
And then I was like, wow, I really want to rewatch this.
I ended up looking up some clips on YouTube and stuff and like, that was great.
But I was like, I want to rewatch the whole thing and I don't want to pirate it.
The Bud Monkey says that he wrote him a very moving letter when he was having some difficulties
when he was younger.
That's interesting.
That's really cool.
He's like a really, or he was like a really great dude.
And reading, reading, wow, what's the name of the dude that plays Harry Potter?
Oh, Daniel Radcliffe.
There we go.
I had the initials.
I had it.
It just wasn't quite there.
Reading what Daniel Radcliffe had to say about him after his passing was really interesting
as well as like a mentor and all this kind of stuff.
Yep.
Anyways.
Yeah.
Well, so there you go.
Yeah.
AMD significantly cuts pricing on our nine nano.
That's literally all we have to say.
It went from $649 to $499, which is actually super compelling and really, really cool.
Yep.
Because that's a solid card.
Someone messaged me and they're like, wow, you need to review the R9 Nano now that the
price is lower.
I'm like, we've reviewed it.
It's been in seven gamers.
It's been in the bomb build.
What have you been watching?
I don't understand.
We have so much coverage about this card.
It's great that it's cheaper.
And everything that we said before is the same, but the price is lower.
So I think you can probably do the math again.
We're coming back to the grade format here, kids.
Okay.
Pull out the calculator.
They're literally a dollar at the dollar store.
All right.
FPS over dollars is how many frames per dollar or it's on your phone.
Yes.
All right.
This is interesting.
Mushkin previews a $500 four terabyte SSD at CES.
Now this is something that I always kind of get my panties in a, in a nod over is memory
companies.
And I'm talking Ram memory.
I'm talking NAND memory.
I'm talking even storage memory.
Okay.
So all like, like, like even hard drive memory, I know it's incorrect use of the word don't
worry about it.
It's not previewing a capacity bump.
So a capacity of storage or, or Ram or whatever at a given price, but it's not available yet
because I could do that.
I could literally show you an empty box. That's a 10 terabyte hard drive at a hundred dollars
release date TBD.
And eventually I can deliver that.
Thank you Moore's law.
Yeah.
However, there is some technology that went into this that is somewhat interesting.
So basically what this is, is it's an update to their reactor series of SSDs that now supports
3D NAND and drive capacities up to two terabytes.
Thanks to a new controller.
Now they are taking that updated controller and they are actually putting it together
with another, like another separate controller that is going to run two of those other controllers
in a J bod, which stands for literally, it stands for just a bunch of disks, which they
might have to upgrade the term for.
Yeah.
Well, just a bunch of drives.
Just about.
Hmm.
Okay.
Anyway.
Right.
I think it is disks.
Yeah.
But they should change it to drives.
Yeah.
Just kind of like how a raid changed from redundant array of inexpensive to a redundant
array of independent, I think.
This is why we can never keep track of things, tech industry.
So it's a four terabyte drive, but spanning drives like this.
So basically in theory, so in theory, the way a J bod works is that data is just kind
of stored on wherever.
And if one drive dies, all the files that were on that drive are gone, but the other
one is completely left independent of the other one.
Just makes you searching two drives look like you searching one drive.
Yeah.
It's basically like if you had like a bunch of USB thumb sticks and you like duct tape
them all together, plug them all in at the same time and then assign one drive letter
to all of them.
Yeah.
That's basically J bod.
Okay.
But with hard drives.
And with crappy performance.
So Muskin says to expect somewhere in the neighborhood of read and write performance
of about 10 K IOPS, which to be clear, we'll still crush a hard drive.
And with that kind of a price for something like bulk media storage, game storage for
games could be freaking awesome for takes like a really long time to load on my computer
because I loaded off a hard drive.
It sucks.
It takes forever.
So there you go.
To be clear, this is not as good a drive as something like that Samsung 3.84 that is on
vessel and not on YouTube yet that we checked out recently where it's got a single controller.
It's enterprise grade drive, but it is really, really cheap.
25 cents a gig, like $500 is still really expensive for a single component in like an
enthusiast grade rig, but it's also not completely outside of the realm of somewhat doable.
Yeah.
It's not $2,000 like that Samsung drive I just referred to.
So love it, but it actually has to actually come out Muskin.
So yeah, that was posted by Rani on the forum, by the way.
This is kind of a bummer.
Intel confirms Skylake crash erratum.
Some bad news from the tech industry today.
Yeah.
I mean, to be clear, this is not the first time that something like this has happened.
It's not the last time something like this will happen for either Intel or AMD.
But it's a bummer and there will be a BIOS update, which unfortunately doesn't help people
who have systems that get crappy BIOS support or who have like OEM systems where the BIOS
update is like difficult to do for no apparent reason and that kind of sucks.
But basically it's causing crashes.
I don't really know what else to really say about that.
The Intel has already given the updated code to their partners.
You just have to wait for the Asus's and Dell's and Lenovo's of the world to implement them
and no one's really given a time frame on that.
Yes.
So yeah.
Hopefully it gets fixed soon.
Yeah, hopefully fixed very soon.
I don't really know what else we got here.
That's like super duper important.
I think technically the show's done.
If you have time, we can after party.
If you don't have time, I can have to party on my own.
Which I'm going to be playing Valkyrie, which is going to be kind of funny because I'm not
going to be able to read the Twitch chat.
I'm still waiting for someone to program a Twitch overlay for HMD.
This is the next level of like, you know, balling Twitch streamers where they actually
get to the point where they can just have someone like that they pay to read them the
Twitch chat.
It's like, I'm really focused on the game.
I'm calling in Jeeves to deal with Twitch chat for me.
Jeeves, what does the red text say?
Tell me what's highlighted, Jeeves.
Actually, this is interesting.
Posted by Mr. Troll.
Original article here is from Overclock.net.
It's just a post on the forum.
AMD has begun shipping around samples of two different Polaris architecture chips.
So four different GPUs.
Basically a full fat, looks like the top tier one and then a cut down top tier GPU.
So that would be your equivalent to, you know, R9 Fury X and an R9 Fury kind of thing.
And then the, what looks like some kind of a step down, but full fat and then a cut down
version of that, presumably some kind of a like, you know, a 380X type of grade GPU or
something along those lines.
It's gotten really gray with AMD because they've reused previous flagship a couple times now
as mid-tier.
But yeah, so anyway, it looks like those have started being shipping around to be clear.
That doesn't mean that they're coming out like tomorrow.
That means probably sometime second half this year.
Which would not be a surprising timeline at all.
Yep.
But what's cool is that for the first time in a long time, both AMD and Nvidia are going
to be delivering like probably, this is my speculation, but it's based on facts that
do exist, rockin' GPU upgrades.
They really better because VR really needs it.
Yeah, the timing couldn't be more dire.
If they were like hibernating for the big boom, now would be the time to do that.
So this is the first actual dye shrink in a very, very long time.
We've been stuck on 28 nanometer for a long time.
20 nanometer planar technology was not ready for GPU.
Leakage was too high, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So AMD, it looks like, will actually be sourcing from both Global Foundries and TSMC.
So they're gonna be leveraging, ugh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's Global Foundries
14 nanometer and TSMC 16 nanometer process.
Although it's not clear if they will be dual sourcing, like AMD, like Apple has done with
the, what is it, A9, I always lose track of this crap, anyway, with the chip in the iPhone
6S, where they're actually sourcing the same chip from both Foundries.
What AMD may be doing is sourcing some GPUs from one and some from the other, like different
products, which would require some doing over of work, but not like a complete re-optimization
and re-tuning of the chip like Apple would have had to do for the latest iPhone.
So I think that pretty much wraps it up for the show.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
We will see you again next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
We'll see you guys next time.