Welcome to the WAN Show, everyone.
We've got a fantastic show for you guys this week,
and I have to apologize in advance.
This show is in fact live.
B-Zero burying this QWO.
Look, that's my proof that we are live,
but beyond that, I am cutting off the chat
because I have not seen the new Star Wars movie yet,
and I cannot risk you pieces of human garbage out there
who thinks spoilers are funny, ruining it for me.
Do you care that much?
You know what?
That would be a great topic.
Add it to the WAN Show document.
We'll talk about it later.
In the meantime, I need to fill you guys in
on what's gonna be on the show today.
iFixit has done their teardown of the new Mac Pro,
gives it a nine out of 10 for repairability.
Fantastic.
Okay, is it safe to assume
that Apple has turned over a new leaf?
No.
Okay, of course not.
We'll talk about that more later.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, Dell, and Tesla
have been sued for using child labor.
Womp womp.
Yikes.
The New York Times has done a location tracking expose,
basically telling us what we all knew
but try not to think about, and it's pretty uncomfortable.
Yeah.
And what else we got here?
And Apple, Amazon, and Google unite
to create a universal smart home standard.
We're gonna tie that in
with the discussion about location tracking.
Yeah.
It'll be grand.
You'll love it.
Let's go ahead and roll that intro.
Intro, intro, intro, intro, intro.
Oh, I went over to, I went to look at the chat
and I was like, ah.
Oh, it's gone.
Sorry chat, you're gone, you're done.
Like my stream Beat Saber tonight,
I was thinking I might stream tonight.
I'm just gonna, like, normally I have the chat on
cause I take song recommendation stuff tonight.
I'm just gonna be like, yeah, whatever.
We're listening to my music.
I'm doing exactly no Q and A and I'll,
oh, whoa, my intro's already done.
Holy crap, that went fast.
Talking about, talking about stuff during the intro.
Look at those sponsors.
So canadasupply.ca, got that Ridge wallet, got that Displate.
All right, so why don't we jump into this right away.
Now our Mac Pro actually just arrived
and spending over 20,000 Canadian rubles on a computer.
Sorry, Mac people, that's all it is.
It's just a computer.
Makes me extraordinarily uncomfortable.
So I am trying really, really hard
to get all of our content made
so that we can return it within the 14 day window.
That sounds very important.
So unfortunately I haven't managed to do like,
I haven't managed to like tear it down
or anything like that because the second it arrived,
it went onto Anthony's desk
and he started running benchmarks.
Although we do have a bit of a problem.
One of the cool things about the Mac Pro
is how highly upgradeable it is.
So we actually went and made our decision-making process
about the hardware that we were putting in it
based on that we knew
that it was going to be highly upgradeable.
Now, Intel did manage to pull some strings
and they've gotten me the 20 core 32, 15 X
or whatever it is.
The top end 28 core, did I say 24 core before?
Doesn't matter.
I thought you said 20.
Whatever, the 28 core processor,
the top end one that Apple ships with the Mac Pro.
They got me one of those, but it's taken a long time
and they're only loaner units
and they actually haven't shipped to us yet.
So we're going to have a span of like
between the Christmas holidays
and how soon we're going to need to return the Mac Pro
and how late the chips are going to reach us.
We're going to have a span of like two days
if we're lucky to actually make all the Mac Pro content.
And you've got to do it.
Cause that's, that computer is more expensive than my car.
Actually, no, my car is more expensive, but like.
It's more expensive than two of my car.
Not by that much.
Yeah. And I just bought a car a year ago.
Yeah, there you go.
That's a bit better.
Like it's not an old car.
It's more expensive than my car when I bought it in 2013.
That's amazing.
And it was even like a decent used car.
Yeah.
Like what are you driving?
A TAL?
Accurate TL.
Accurate TL.
Yeah.
Yeah. So that's crazy.
Anyway.
It also, okay.
I have a little bit of a bone to pick.
Sure.
Not much of one.
Cause I don't know how many people are like that.
Just remember we're on Twitch
so you can't touch it on stream.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nine out of 10.
It's a desktop.
Right.
I keep trying to look at the chat.
Right. Yeah.
It's a desktop.
Well, just because it's a desktop
doesn't mean it's repairable.
Technically the garbage can was a desktop.
Did it sit on your desktop?
Okay, but it's like a standard format tower.
Did it go on top of the desk?
Often.
Yes or no?
It went on the floor.
Yes or no?
Often went on the floor.
It looked like a garbage can.
So can a normal desktop.
It looked better on the floor.
Yeah.
Okay.
But it did go on.
It was a desktop.
It was a desktop.
And even previous Macs have not necessarily
been particularly upgradable.
Like we tried to do a tear down
of a Power Mac G5 a little while ago
and it was a nightmare.
Like the number of special screwdrivers
and stuff that you needed and oh, well,
no, you can't take that one out until you've done that one.
Right.
The fact that they actually put enough thought into it
to open the case, you just twist the handle
and pull the whole thing off, comes right off.
The case buttons and LEDs are not attached by cables.
They're just contact points, which is pretty sick.
And removing the housing cuts power to the machine
which is also super sick.
Oh no, why are you here?
Do you guys know that FlowPlane's not live right now?
Yes.
FlowPlane's not live right now?
Yeah, we know.
We know?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
I do.
Oh, why are they not live?
I'm not sure, but AJ's on it
and multiple other people are on it.
We're working on it.
Oh, okay.
We have already addressed that to the chat.
Everything is fine.
Oh, okay, cool.
Neat.
Well, I dragged the window over.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So I gotta get this out of here
before I accidentally read something cool.
Oh, okay.
So yeah, that is super sick.
I have actually pitched that design
to case manufacturers before.
Like, why exactly is it that we have to have
these stupid wires?
Like, why isn't this just like, like contacts?
Because the funny thing is we've seen it before.
What's their face?
Is it NZXT that was doing it for a little bit
with their case fans?
Oh, uh...
Who was it?
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I thought it was them.
So the idea of having like your fans
connect to these little modules, really short wires,
and then it just goes together
and you've just got a spring-loaded contact point.
That's awesome.
It's a great idea.
So I love it.
Yeah, you would like, you would take out
like a fan module basically and install your fan in it
and the wire for your fan would wire into the fan module.
So it's all nicely put together.
Then you'd click it into your case
and that would run out past.
It was really nice.
So inside the Mac Pro,
there's a switch to pop open the cover that hides the RAM,
which is also user replaceable, which is a good thing.
Now, okay, I did see the expose
that Apple is using the cheapest memory,
but I'll give you guys a little knowledge bomb here.
Everyone uses the cheapest memory
in commodity desktop systems.
And once again, I'm sorry Mac people, it's just a computer.
This doesn't surprise me at all.
And it also doesn't particularly matter.
Now the CAS latency of those modules
was not particularly good, but to my knowledge,
load reduced DIMMs are not known
for their exceptional latency.
They're actually architected significantly differently
from normal ECC registered DIMMs.
So I have a video coming about this
where I load up a single motherboard
with two terabytes of RAM,
which by the way is a half a terabyte more
than the Mac Pro can handle at this time, just saying.
So I load up a motherboard with two terabytes of RAM
and I go through what makes a load reduced DIMM different
from a regular registered ECC DIMM
because the cold hard truth is you cannot put
one and a half terabytes of regular registered memory
into a single socket machine.
The memory controller just cannot handle it.
So a load reduced DIMM allows you to have
what is effectively multiple DIMMs
sandwiched into a single slot
at a greater density than you can do normally.
So you know the chips that are on your actual memory module?
They can have what is effectively
sort of multiple like chunks.
So you can have ones that are like four times,
essentially four of those chips, but like just in one.
And normally having a bunch of those
puts a bunch of extra load on the memory controller.
With a load reduced DIMM,
instead of your memory controller communicating directly
with every single one of those chips,
there's a buffer chip that handles it
that's kind of right in the middle of the module
and that they all communicate with.
So it just reduces the load.
I wanna say kind of similar to the concept
of fully buffered DIMMs from back in the day,
but without a bunch of the extra heat and power consumption
and other issues that fully buffered DIMMs dealt with.
So there you go.
There's really no getting around that, I don't think,
but we'll investigate it more
once we actually pop ours open
and see if even all of them are shipping with the same RAM
because it's quite common for memory
to be multiple source.
Look at GPUs.
GPUs have that all the time.
The mining community became very aware of that.
One thing I wanna ask you
is what do you think about this getting a nine out of 10
and having a non-user replaceable SSD?
That is, you know what?
I didn't even think of that.
But now that you mention it, buy-
Because that kind of bugs me.
Because think about the things
that are gonna fail on the computer.
Like it's a nine out of 10 by Apple standards for sure.
Fair.
For sure.
But not having a way to replace the SSD by yourself.
Because there is a thing over top of it
that is bound to a T2 chip,
blower fans, if you remove that,
you trip the T2 chip, it's a no-go.
Yeah.
And the fact that if your motherboard dies,
the only ones who can repair it are Apple
without you suffering data loss.
Like to me, a drive failure is like,
I mean, it should be one of the most
user fixable things ever.
I mean, do you think-
That's a big enough deal personally
that that should drive purchasing decisions basically.
Do you think the main motivation behind the T2 chip,
because to be clear, an encrypted drive is a great idea.
It's a great way to ensure better security,
better data security for your customers.
But the way that Apple does it is entirely unnecessary.
It doesn't have to be bound to the motherboard
by hardware like that.
Do you think the ultimate motivation here
is to kill the Hackintosh?
Oh.
Because-
I actually didn't consider that.
If there is no way for anyone outside of Apple
to change the boot drive of a Mac,
then there's no reason why anyone should have to download
Mac OS.
The only way to get Mac OS-
And now it's on-
Would be on a pre-installed drive.
All of their Mac OS devices have non-user,
because their laptops are non-user replaceable.
So I give the Hackintosh community like
three more years, maybe.
Oof.
Big oof.
Big oof.
That's sort of my, that's my take on this.
I think that is ultimately what Apple's after here,
because there is no other reason
for them to lock it down like that.
The encryption could easily be handled on the drive itself.
And just to fully confirm,
the laptops also have T2 bound SSDs, right?
Yes.
So the one recent machine, if I recall correctly,
that didn't have a T2 chip was a refreshed version
of an iMac or something.
Was it?
Shoot, I don't remember.
It might've been, it might've been a refreshed iMac,
non-pro or something like that.
Don't quote me on that.
But as soon as Apple has the entire lineup refreshed,
my assumption is that they are going to start phasing out
the ability to install Mac OS on your own.
And they are basically going to be the gatekeepers
of Mac OS being installed on hardware.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had some pretty major update
and then remove downloads.
So like you can't get the major update now.
Yep.
And just like create separation almost immediately
and then push from there.
Yep, and the thing is like for a time,
and the Hackintoshers are used to this,
for a time you'll be able to run your hack
on the older version of Mac OS
because even a lot of people with legit Macs
will run an older version of Mac OS.
Like Justine of all people was telling me,
she's like, yeah, yeah, no, I like never update right away.
Forget it, forget it.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, Mac users and Windows users,
we aren't so different, are we?
Yeah, no, that's not a bad idea.
Delaying updates often very good.
All right, so I actually totally agree with you now.
I hadn't thought of it at all, but that is 100%.
Like I would knock two points off for that.
Yeah.
Not being able, in the middle of the night,
not being able to pop a new drive in
and reformat my machine and get up and running
is a huge problem to me.
And if it was as simple as Apple having like hardware DRM
built into their compatible drives,
like I said, I've got no problem
with drive encryption schemes.
That's good.
That could actually be a user-friendly thing.
So if there was a way to take
like a validated Apple approved SSD
and pop that thing in there
and get my system back up and running,
yeah, fine, I don't have to like it.
I don't have to like that it's gonna cost me extra
for the special magical Apple one,
but at least I can accept that.
That is still user serviceable,
whereas this is not user serviceable
in a way that is a huge problem.
And I think something that you said there was pretty good
and where you were like,
if you're comparing this apples to apples,
that was not originally intentional,
but then I did recognize it before I said it.
If you're comparing this Apple to Apple,
maybe the nine out of 10, okay.
Cause the case has some really nice features.
There's some really like single screw removable devices
that are safe to be done that way, et cetera.
The IO boards are held in place by thumb screws.
Freaking awesome.
That's pretty sweet.
Like there's a lot of cool stuff.
Single switch for the PCIe card.
So it's a little rail with hooks
that secures anything in its path.
The power supply, oh wow.
The IO board, video card and power supply
all come out from the same side of the case.
The power supply is held in by a single screw.
It's freaking awesome.
Very easy to work on.
Gains a lot of points because of that.
But I think it almost becomes like capped
in how high it can go
because of the intensity of the negativity
around the non-user replaceable SSD,
which is in my opinion,
one of the most important pieces
to be able to replace as a user.
Now the rest of the storage is upgradable.
Can you give them back half a point or a point for that?
It's better than nothing.
Which is what you get with a MacBook.
But then we're trying not to put the Apple filter on there.
Because a normal tower that would just,
it's not even that that would be a feature
that's just like,
your car has wheels!
No, it's $400 for the wheels.
You know about this, right?
Was that the reference?
No.
Oh, it costs $400 for the wheels for the Mac Pro.
Like there's wheels.
We didn't buy the wheels.
Good, good.
Yeah, that's probably,
now that's a user upgradable feature.
You could go get some wheels
and put them on your Mac Pro.
Put some rims on there,
you know, get some spinners.
You can put some really big wheels.
So the good stuff,
you can remove the cooler and the CPU.
So the good stuff,
a fair number of the modules can be swapped without tools,
uses mostly standard screws and connectors.
I personally think this is a big deal.
Apple created their new magical PCI express slot
with more power pins at the back,
but then they also have a place
to just plug in modular cables
and provide power to other cards.
Like they're actually...
There are certain parts of the computer
that it seems like they're inviting you
to upgrade and work on.
Like, yeah, and not just that,
but it's not even like an invitation necessarily.
And Apple might never intend
for any first party card to ever use
like a standard, ew, ugly,
oh, wow, it's a cable, yuck, you know, connector.
They might never intend for that to happen,
but at least they're accounting for that it might.
Whereas with the trashcan,
it was like, it is so perfectly beautifully engineered,
all one thing, you'll never need to touch it again.
You know, unless we provide upgrades,
oh, we never provided an upgrade, oh crap, now what?
So at least they're leaving the door open
for, you know, if Apple gets bored of professional users
who use desktops again,
at least AMD might have the option of going,
oh, Apple, can we please make a new graphics card
for your customers who would really like a new graphics card?
Please, Apple, can we make one?
And they might be able to say,
oh yeah, sure, go for it.
And then AMD, if they don't feel like it,
might just be like, you know what?
We're not gonna use the weird PCIe slot.
We're just gonna reuse one of our normal designs
and put a BIOS on it that makes it Apple compatible.
Yeah, yeah.
The bad.
Apple still keeps the-
Oh, wait, wait, wait,
free public repair manuals and videos, that's good.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay, the bad.
Apple still keeps the keys to certain repairs
like proprietary SSD,
like we just spent a long time talking about.
And some of Apple's repairs manuals
include or entirely compromise a-
Comprise.
Comprise, reading is hard.
A disclaimer insisting that you contact
an Apple authorized service provider,
when in reality the repair could easily be done
at your desk.
I don't blame them for that.
I don't think that's that bad personally.
I think the entirely comprised of is a bit of a, you know,
but they also didn't need to give you that.
Yeah, they didn't have to give you that at all.
So I will retract my thing.
I don't actually mind that, to be honest.
If you needed to look in the Apple specific manual
about how to do this,
maybe you should bring it to a repair person.
Maybe you should.
If you're not comfortable, maybe you should.
There's nothing wrong with that.
If you're not comfortable working on your 25,000
potentially plus dollar computer, maybe you should.
Or maybe if your boss isn't comfortable
with you working on your up to $50,000 machine.
Sure.
Which hopefully they didn't spend 50,000
because the upgrade prices are terrible.
So what I was talking about with the SSD thing,
where like it should maybe drive purchasing decisions,
is you could buy a decent one,
but with like a beast SSD
so that you don't have to upgrade that in the future,
but you have upgrade avenues for other parts.
Yep.
So that's like, it's interesting that they did that.
The problem though is that the entry-level machine
just makes absolutely no sense.
It's like we paid 20 grand for a computer
with an eight core processor.
Right, but you could like do a single GPU
or like there's a few things you could do.
Yeah, I mean.
Or a single card.
I mean the single card though,
it's like basically a glorified RX 580.
Like it's like.
It'd be nice if you'd order it with no card.
Yeah, honestly.
Just, you know what, I'm just,
I've got a crappy video card kicking around.
Yeah, yeah.
From my like.
I'll buy some previous Bitcoin cards like nothing.
Yeah, I upgraded to RTX.
I'm just gonna.
Yeah.
What's up, Nick?
You should talk about.
Merch.
Lttstore.com.
Merch.
Lttstore.com.
Nice shirt, Nick.
I'll buy Lttstore.com.
Lttstore.com.
I love toy trains.
Oh yeah.
Ltt stealth hoodie is now back in stock in every size.
And this could be it, ladies and gentlemen.
I am not sure if we are going to keep stocking this one.
It's been a great mover for us.
Yeah.
But all good things must come to an end.
We've had quite a number of people messaging us saying,
hey, what happened to the Swacket?
When you guys restock in the Swacket,
I still don't have a Swacket.
And I'm like, you ain't getting one.
Cause I said.
Too late, nerd.
This is a limited time item.
Yeah.
So it's like, there you go.
Ltt stealth hoodie, if you guys want one,
make sure you are getting on top of that.
Also stealth water bottle is back in stock.
We blew through basically all of these back when we did the
stealth bundle.
So that's why they've been out of stock for a while.
There you go.
We've also got, oh wait, is the golden black one in stock?
Or should I not be talking about that?
That's not in stock.
Oops, sorry.
That's not in stock.
Ignore it.
But that'll be back.
Hey!
Stealth water bottle.
Hey!
Yes, that'll be black early next year.
Okay. Early next year, black and gold's coming back.
All right.
Listen to your feedback.
And we were looking at different water bottles.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
We're going to do a big one.
Yeah. So that'll be cool.
All right.
Got another great topic for you guys.
Sort of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Dell, and Tesla
sued for using child labor.
So in the first lawsuit of its kind,
they are being sued on behalf of 14 Congolese families
whose children were killed or permanently injured
while illegally mining cobalt
for electronics made by these companies.
Fouled in the United States District Court
for the District of Columbia by human rights group,
International Rights Advocates,
the federal class action lawsuit alleges
that the company's aided and abetted
a system of forced child labor
and had specific knowledge of the conditions
these children were working in,
but did not act in order to protect their profit margins.
That is not great.
Nope.
Each of these companies has specific policies
claiming to prohibit child labor in their supply chains.
That does in fact make it worse.
Their failure to actually implement these policies
to stop forced child labor in cobalt mining
is an intentional act to avoid ending the windfall
of getting cheap.
Cobalt alleges the International Rights Advocates
in their complaint.
So cobalt is an important component
of lithium ion batteries that get used
in many modern electronics.
In the lawsuit, the families argue
that their children were illegally working
at cobalt mines owned by Gencor,
the world's largest cobalt producer.
They then supplied the cobalt to Umicore,
a Belgian mining company and metals trader,
and then Umicore then provided the cobalt to Apple,
Google, Tesla, and Dell.
They also implicated, oh boy,
I hate it when I have to do this,
Xijin, Huayu Cobalt, a Chinese cobalt producer
who works with Apple, Dell, and Microsoft.
Wow, oof, that's rough.
So last year, the Democratic Republic of Congo
produced somewhere between 60 and 70%
of the world's cobalt, and a third of that was artisanal
or subsistence mining, independently done
outside of formal employment with a mining company.
So I guess that's where you might run into trouble there.
So in the complaint, the Congolese families
go into vivid detail, explaining how abject poverty
made them desperate enough to work in the mines,
paying as little as $2 a day for this dangerous
and demanding work.
In one instance, a child went into a Gencor-owned mine
after his family could no longer afford his school fees.
A tunnel collapsed on him and his body was never recovered,
according to the lawsuit.
Others have been paralyzed.
Okay, all right.
I mean, what even is the dollar amount
that's right for something like that?
How do you sue for children dying?
Okay, I don't know if this is the right
applicable point in time.
I don't know legal stuff way too much,
but there's a certain point, and I was talking to someone
about this the other day when it comes
to government construction.
You know how, so this is completely off topic,
but you know how very often any government construction
project goes way over budget and way over time?
Yeah.
It blows my mind that at a certain point,
you don't just go like, you don't get that company anymore.
That's ours.
Goodbye.
Gross misuse.
You're not allowed to be a company.
I don't know if this is the right case.
How do you do that?
I don't know if the government construction thing
is the right case.
I don't know if that's a good idea ever,
but there's at a certain point, if it's like,
yeah, you effectively murdered children.
You don't get to make large decisions
about people's lives anymore.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Well, I mean, the idea is supposed to be
that you go to jail.
I mean, that's supposed to be it.
But I think the corporation model makes that difficult.
Very difficult.
Yeah.
So that's true.
So I see what you're saying.
So you're saying, okay, you just wasted,
you know, $14 million of taxpayer funds.
You need to be accountable for this in some way.
Instead of us just being like, okay, well, whatever,
it's taxpayer money anyway, and just paying you.
Like you-
I don't know what the answer is,
but I've always felt like something more drastic
should happen because of how intensely consistent it is.
Right, yeah.
Like it happens every time.
So you feel like if you go
millions and millions of dollars over budget
on like a public job,
that it's effectively like stealing from the public.
Yeah.
Cause is it really different?
So if we talk about, you know, and honestly,
I'm just, this is very stream of consciousness, guys.
Don't hold this against me.
And I don't know anything about that industry.
I'm very likely glossing over things.
We're just discussing.
Yeah.
Okay.
So anyway, so you're basically saying, okay,
well, what's the difference between tax fraud
or tax evasion where you don't pay taxes
or tax wasting of the taxes that were already paid?
If the idea is just that the public purse
is the resources that belong to all of us.
And this should apply not to just to construction.
That was just a very easy in your face example.
Just cause it's always over budget.
Yeah.
But I'm sure there are other things that happen
government level that are massively over budget.
They're just not as in your face.
You don't drive by it all.
Well, yeah, like what's his face?
The recently disgraced head
of the Canadian Conservative Party.
What's his name again?
Can't remember.
Boy, he wasn't charismatic.
No, Andrew Scheer.
Yeah, Andrew Scheer had something like,
so he was, it was first found out
that he was using public money
to pay for his kids private school.
Okay.
So that stole money.
So, well, okay.
But not just that stole money to put his kids,
to keep his kids from the education system
that as a government worker, he's supposed to be making.
Oh my God.
Yeah, okay.
So there's just a little bit of like
general hypocrisy in there.
Now they're investigating him
for somewhere between 700 and $900,000
of just like personal use of,
I forget if it was like campaign or donor funds
or like just public money.
So it was just like really, really bad look.
Yeah, he stepped down now.
They're in trouble.
They're such a leadership vacuum there.
It's like between the Canadian Conservative Party
and the American Democratic Party,
just like the half.
You gotta find a person.
Yeah, half of North American politics
just has no idea who they should put in charge.
Basically MTC, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyways, I've always just felt like,
and like I've seen software projects go down the same line.
I'm not trying to pick on construction people.
I've seen software projects go down the same line.
We have.
Okay, the difference here,
it's very fair.
The difference here is if we were proposing
like a government project, I would expect.
You didn't give me a quote.
No, and I had no idea.
You were smart enough to not give me a quote
and you did say that you didn't know.
And you did tell me that the scope of the project
was unreasonable.
And I said, well, let's give it the old college try.
And you know what, if that's the agreement.
Here we are three years later, finally in beta.
Hey, and doing pretty okay.
We've had some stumbles, some of which were not our fault.
Yeah, you're probably watching this.
C word.
I am mad again.
Yeah, I'm mad at the C word again.
The only angry emails I have ever sent
in the entire time of working on float plane
have been to only them.
And I just, I think this whole time,
I'm like, they probably think I'm just a jerk.
I don't think they do because every time you've been mad,
it's been for very reasonable things.
I hope so.
Like never replying to emails.
Yeah.
Or not performing like core functions
of their service. The job, the job.
You had one job.
Come on, please.
And if you can't do that job,
your second fallback job was to notify us
that you couldn't do that job.
Or respond, like I just, anyways.
They know you're mad right now, right?
Like they're not gonna find out
while they're watching the show.
It's pretty clear, I think.
You think so?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you know people from there watch this show, right?
Yeah.
If it's not pretty clear, I'm way too Canadian.
One of the two.
Because I like tried to make it pretty clear.
Anyways, moving on.
But like when you are massive, massive,
many hundreds, if not thousands of employees,
companies that do this thing for,
like this is everyday stuff.
You build bridges.
You construct massive buildings.
Like that's what you do when you've been doing it
for possibly generations.
Yeah.
You should probably be a little bit more accurate.
Now stuff can happen.
Sure.
You can be excavating and it's like,
we just found T-Rex fossils.
And.
They're in the way.
Archaeologists are gonna be up in this biz for 36 months.
We can't build the thing.
And you should have.
And we had all this stuff,
we had all these equipment brought in already.
What are we gonna do?
And you should have insurance for that.
Oh, I see.
That should be on you.
And if that increases the cost, sure.
Okay.
Cause you know what?
Maybe all of this stuff should be more expensive.
It just shouldn't go over budget.
I see what you mean.
Okay. All right.
We just derailed super hard.
We should do ad spots.
We were talking about Apple, Google, Microsoft Dell.
Okay, back to that.
If the allegations are true, that's terrible.
At this point, I can't say that it would surprise me
that much for a number of reasons.
I mean, number one is I do know that Congo
is basically where Cobalt comes from.
And Congo is not known for, sorry,
the Democratic Republic of Congo,
whatever they call themselves these days.
They're not known for having stringent labor laws.
And I don't wanna say that if you want Cobalt
and the only one producing Cobalt is doing it incorrectly,
that's the only way to get it.
Like you can have policies and you can stick by your policies
that you need to be auditing your supply chain
on a very regular basis.
But I will say that it's possible that in a place
that is as poorly regulated as that,
that they could clean everything up
when the auditor's coming in
and you could feasibly not know.
But if you're following your policies
and they are well-conceived ones,
I would say that there's not really much excuse
for not knowing.
I mean, even at our size and with our resources,
we did manage to track down that one of our employees,
one of our factories that was producing LTT merch
was not up to our standards.
There was no child labor involved as far as we can tell,
but the working conditions were not considered acceptable
for us, so we are currently in the process.
There's an item that's probably gonna be in shortage
over the next little bit
while we're sourcing a new factory to work with.
So like, if we can do it,
I think Microsoft and Google can do it better.
I am technically detached and not even just technically,
I am detached, but I mean, I'm wearing the merchant stuff.
One thing, I think that is super cool
as like a customer person.
We're trying, but I'm not gonna say that we're perfect.
We could have caught it earlier if we'd been more diligent.
Quite perfectly transparent.
But I still think it's cool that at the very least
it was cut off because that almost feels like the,
remember when we were doing the Sennheiser and Omron tours?
Yeah.
And we were like, no, no, no, no,
you guys gotta show the like failure bins.
Right.
And neither of them wanted to show the failure bins.
Yeah, yeah.
I think just like dealing with that at all,
I think a lot of companies wouldn't.
Right.
And the fact that you're letting it go into shortage
on the site and doing the work to change the thing,
I can tell right now that you feel bad
because you're refusing to look at me,
but at least something was done.
And I think that's cool.
Maybe it could have been done a little bit faster.
That was also the first time it's happened, I'm assuming.
Yeah, this is the first time that we've caught anyone.
So maybe things will be done a little bit more routine-like
in the future or something.
We're gonna try.
I mean, I've talked about this before.
It's difficult.
The reality of it is we are a one person department
right now.
Lloyd, well, one and change.
Lloyd and sort of Nick.
Lloyd and sort of Nick are the only ones working there.
And Lloyd has only managed to make one trip back to China.
We do have some concerns as a media outlet
with sending people to China.
We are working on sourcing not in China.
In fact, not all of our stuff even now is sourced in China,
but getting overseas and having basically
a week's worth of productivity lost in travel
and time zone shifts and stuff like that.
When you are the vast majority of the team.
It's tough.
But we are adding another person soon.
And so what we are hoping is that as we go on,
we can be more and more diligent.
I think my big thing is, and I can feel the feels bad,
but I think my big thing is most people wouldn't feel bad
because they would have never tried.
I guess.
Yeah, I guess that's...
And even if you look at some of those shops online
where you can just design a logo, put it on something,
I guarantee you tons of that stuff is made in shops
that would be below most people's standards.
And no one checks.
Yeah, that's fair.
I think the vast majority of groups would not check.
Especially at that size.
I think with these guys though,
especially because they have these policies in place.
I mean, does that to you make it worse?
The size of those...
Because then it's just hypocritical.
Personally, yes, it does make it worse.
Also the size of the companies,
the amount of people working on the logistics
and stuff like that is also a lot more substantial
than a one-person crew.
I do also sympathize with the point that you brought up,
which is, and I have no idea
because I don't know anything about the logistics of Cobalt.
Where else are you gonna get Cobalt?
I don't know.
Maybe there is other places, maybe there isn't.
I genuinely have no idea.
If that's the only place,
then I would hope that they would be trying to do something
about improving that situation.
But I also understand that the wheel
he needs to keep turning.
So they're the largest producer.
Where's Cobalt found in the world?
Usually not mined alone.
Cobalt light, whatever.
Democratic Republic of the Congo is listed first.
Mainland China, great.
Zambia, frigging great.
Russia, good luck.
And Australia, okay.
But Australia's number five.
Australia's listed last.
I do know Australia has a lot of mining.
They also have a, I don't know what he's titled over there.
I'm gonna assume prime minister who's like super away
on a vacation in Hawaii while their country burns,
which is fantastic.
It's really, really cool.
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James is sick.
That's very.
Why is he holding a duck?
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What else is in this collection?
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That's pretty cool.
That one's pretty sweet.
He looks so pro there.
Yeah, he does.
This looks dirty.
Okay.
But this looks cool.
Yeah.
Well, who else do we have?
Ah, yes.
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Okay.
Is Dennis's car like iconic?
Is that even his car?
I think that is.
I think that's his crappy Civic.
I think that is.
He actually drives a very similar model Civic
to the one that I had for so long.
I don't, I never thought it was iconic.
I think James's might be the best.
I think James's is the best.
Mind you, Alex's is pretty cool too.
Literally.
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I was like, he literally looks like a wizard.
And then I realized that that's definitely the goal.
Laptop wizard.
That's fantastic.
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Wait, I don't even know what other people,
oh man, now I have to go through them all again
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Oh no, James doesn't have one.
Dennis has one.
Dennis has one.
I woke up like this.
Yep.
That sounds like a thing he would say.
Okay.
I have to know what mine says too.
Does it say?
Oh, it does.
The Lambo.
Oh, okay.
That's not.
Whatever.
Other than that, mine looks really cool.
It's fine.
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Moving on, on the show here.
Should we take a break from major topics
and talk about Star Wars?
All right, let's do it.
Have you seen it?
No.
Wait, no, we talked about this already.
I'm an idiot.
All right, cool.
Have you seen anything about it?
Do you know anything?
Don't, if you know anything,
if you even know if it's like supposed to be good.
I don't know.
I haven't watched the trailer.
I know how you deal.
I don't even know who's in the movie.
Okay.
I, okay.
I know one person who's in the movie
cause I could not avoid the headlines about,
shoot, I forget his name.
I'm not even gonna assume.
The one who lost the script.
I have not, I have seen the headline
that they figured out who it was,
but I didn't click on it cause I didn't want to know.
Okay.
Well then good.
I didn't give you any hints that you didn't already have.
Okay.
So what was your question again?
Do you actually really want to go see it?
If I actually really wanted to go see it,
I would have seen it already or I'd be seeing it tonight.
I don't even have a ticket.
Yeah, I don't either.
Now, I don't want it spoiled.
Yeah.
When I get around to seeing it,
I would like to have the full experience.
I would like any plot twists.
Have you liked any of the movies
that have come out since Disney purchased?
Remind me what they are again.
So we've got Force Awakens.
Yeah, Force Awakens is the last one
that I bought the Blu-ray of.
That should give you some idea.
And I only bought it for Force Awakens
because I like wanted to own the whole sequel trilogy
and then just didn't end up buying.
Yeah, I don't even remember what the second one was called
to be perfectly honest with you.
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
And then there was Rogue One.
I would say Rogue One was the best of them,
but critically flawed.
Yes, okay, I like that.
I agree with that to be honest.
Then Solo.
Did you even see Solo?
I eventually watched Solo on my phone on a plane
and that was all it deserved.
Okay, so are you even gonna go see this one?
Yeah, I'm gonna go see it.
Okay.
Because my wife will wanna go see it
even though like she's...
That's the funny thing too, is she's not...
Okay, how do I put this nicely?
She likes the prequel trilogy
more than the original trilogy.
So to call her like a good Star Wars fan, you know,
like a...
You know what made me appreciate the prequels a lot more?
Yeah, the sequels.
Well, yeah, okay, that's fair.
But the books.
Really?
Which books?
I think episode one, two and three actually helped a lot.
Really?
Because they go over like what's going
in the character's head and stuff
and it adds a lot better context and reasons.
So if the acting had been better,
maybe they would have been better movies.
Writing.
Or directing.
Or directing.
Or editing.
Yeah, honestly, it wasn't until Force Awakens
that I really gained a proper appreciation
for the prequels.
I went back and rewatched them
and I was like, at least they were super, super imaginative.
In the 2010s, the prequels are a lot stronger
than they were when they first came out.
I don't know necessarily what that means.
I'm not gonna dive into that too hard.
The VFX in Phantom Menace was not good enough yet.
Phantom Menace was rough.
Two and three were a lot better.
Two and three were a lot better.
Okay, the Duel of Fates, though,
was like actually pretty legit.
Yes, and there were terrible,
there were terrible bits in Attack.
I actually completely forgot that Anakin love story crap
was in Attack of the Clones until I asked someone.
I was like, was that in that one?
But like, yeah.
I haven't watched them for a while.
Oh, that makes sense.
It would have to be.
Yeah, it's horrendous.
Oh, okay.
So that sucked.
But another thing too is at least
there was sort of a cohesive story.
Yeah.
I have no idea what's going on
and I shouldn't have to read books
to know what's going on in a movie.
And I'm not afraid of reading books.
But I think the Marvel movies do an amazing job of this.
If you wanna read the supplemental,
or the supplementary literature.
That's cool additional information.
You can.
Not required.
But you don't have to.
You don't need to go read a novel about Pym particles
in order to have any idea what's going on in the movie.
Yeah.
Am I excited?
But not, so actually excited is the-
Am I actually excited?
But the other one-
I am afraid to be excited.
Okay.
I want it to be good.
But I don't understand how it can possibly be good
when basically everything that's happened
in the previous two movies has kind of been nothing.
It's like watching Arrested Development.
So here's an additional question.
Yeah.
Do you want to go see it or do you feel obligated?
I want to want to go see it.
I was the kid who-
So you feel obligated I think.
My copy of the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels,
The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology,
The Essential Guide to Characters,
my copies of those books,
literally Star Wars encyclopedia volumes
were so dog-eared that they didn't-
You know when the two corners fan out
to almost double the thickness of the actual book
from having the pages flipped so many times?
I was such a Star Wars kid.
I read so many of the books.
I remember this one time.
My sister creased one of the pages
in one of my pristine books in my full series
of copies of the Young Jedi Knights collection.
Have you read those by any chance?
Not the Young Jedi Knights.
I have since read a lot of Star Wars books.
And I'm usually constantly having one-
They're written for adolescents.
So the writing level is not particularly high,
but I would say they did a way better job
of character development and some kind of plausible
ongoing story arc for Han, Leia, and Luke
and their offspring and all that.
So Luke never ends up finding the right person
and settling down.
He just opens a Jedi school.
I think it's on Yavin 4, so where the old rebel base was.
Leia and Han are off doing whatever it is
that they do in government and whatever the crap.
Han's kind of uncomfortable with being settled.
It's written by Kevin Anderson and, who's the other one?
Rebecca something, I can't remember.
But they've done a bunch of Star Wars literature.
So it ties in really nicely with the old EU that's now dead.
There's more than one EU that's dying anyway.
Sorry, I didn't realize that as I said it.
I mean, expanded universe.
And anyway, the kids are attending Luke's school
and they actually have to train to be Jedi.
They're not just magically Jedi overnight.
You know what was really, really sad?
I watched an interview with Mark Hamill
when he's reading the script for The Force Awakens.
And the whole time he's like, this is exciting.
I'm really excited for my big entrance, basically.
And you can understand,
that's not even a pretentious thing, really.
He's Luke freaking Skywalker.
He's Luke Skywalker, yeah.
We're all excited for his big entrance, him included.
That's great.
And he's reading through and he gets to the fight,
I was gonna say duel, but the fight between Finn, Rey,
and I forgot his name because I don't even care, Kylo.
And when the lightsaber's stuck in the snow
and it starts to shake, he's like, this is it.
This is when I come in.
And then he's like, I read that Rey caught it.
I was just like, what?
She didn't train on Dagobah?
And the thing that drives me nuts about that
is that was his signature thing.
Sorry, I don't wanna get into this too much.
My next followup question is have you watched Mandalorian?
I don't have Disney Plus, so no.
I totally have Disney Plus by my own subscription
and I'm not using someone else's subscription for Disney Plus.
Okay, go ahead.
It's great.
Is it?
Okay.
It's not perfect.
There's parts where you're like, that are kind of funny.
There's also a few parts that you're like,
lore-wise, that makes no sense at all.
But they're not that bad.
Okay.
Those parts of it are really not that bad.
There's parts of the show that are just freaking adorable.
There are parts of the show that are epic.
Some of the fight scenes are fantastic.
Some of them, not quite as much,
but some of them, like understanding that it's a TV show,
it's great.
So...
It is the first piece of content from Disney,
Star Wars related, that I've been like, yeah, this is sick.
And I have now watched not all of the episodes,
but the vast majority of them.
And I'm like really excited to finish off
what is currently available
and then watch the last episode when it comes out.
Okay, all right, all right.
I will consider watching it.
I have a harder time picking up TV shows.
They are such a big time commitment.
They are.
Like it's rough.
This one is, I think, only 10 episodes.
Like I decided to watch Dark Crystal
and then it was like, you know,
a week's worth of not going to bed on time and being tired.
Like it just, it kind of sucks.
Like it kills my productivity.
Good night, Nick.
Well, are you out all of next week?
Yeah, most.
We're in on Friday.
You're what?
We're in on Friday.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Happy holidays!
Okay, bye.
Yeah, so back to, oh shoot,
where was I going to go with that?
Oh yeah, have you seen the like 45 minute thing
of all the times Mark Hamill talked about Star Wars
without talking about Star Wars?
It's so great.
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I did watch some of it.
Yeah, I watched almost the entire thing
and it's just like, it's hilarious.
And his opinions on a lot of this stuff is so,
in my opinion, on point.
He's in line with the fans.
He's a fan!
Yeah.
And it's not often that you can say that.
Like there's a lot of Hollywood phonies out there.
Oh yeah.
I do not get that vibe from Mark Hamill at all.
No.
At all.
He seems to really...
He has respect for people who are great at their jobs.
He calls out people who he thinks
are not great at their jobs.
He just seems to be actually an honest guy.
And as a kid who loved Luke Skywalker,
being able to grow up and be an adult
who loves Mark Hamill is sort of like,
you can't expect that to happen
more than a couple times a generation.
Like it really just doesn't happen that often
where people in person are as worthy of being looked up to
as they are on screen when they're playing a character.
And something I'll say too is about,
cause I've been watching The Mandalorian with my girlfriend
and it's been fun cause she, we pause it a lot.
And she asks a lot of things about like
the lore behind different stuff
that isn't pushed in your face in the show.
There's a lot of, I don't want to spoil too much.
I'm not going to say any actual events.
There's a lot of fan service that isn't shoved in your face.
Right, okay.
There's a lot of stuff where you can like
recognize what that thing is,
but they don't like address it and go super far into it.
But they lead you enough down the path
that there's enough context clues that you're like,
oh yeah, that's that thing from whatever.
That's super cool.
So it's been fun to like answer those things for.
But my favorite thing about the show so far.
Yeah, go ahead.
I find those things kind of bother me though.
Cause it's like a gigantic, it's a galaxy.
Like if it's like an object,
the odds of it like showing up in, okay, it's fine.
I don't want to get too far into it,
but it's usually like a category of things
that we haven't necessarily seen in the movies much,
but they might be in the games or the EU.
I've really, really enjoyed how they've handled characters.
Right.
All the, and not just like,
there's a ton of characters that I do not like
in the new Star Wars movies.
One of the ones that I find most egregious is.
The Stormtrooper captain,
Captain Phasma.
Yeah, they could have done so many cooler things with her.
She's a super bad-ass in Game of Thrones.
And then she's just like barely there
and then gets beat in a super lame fight against Phasma.
I'm not trying to ruin things.
Game of Thrones?
The actress in the armor.
Oh, the actress, okay.
Yeah, like she can clearly do amazing things
and then they relegated her to some boring stuff.
Anyways, the captain, what is it?
Captain Hux?
I don't remember his pre-named thing, but Hux.
I've only, I only watched the second one once.
I only saw it in the theater.
That was it.
This guy.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Yeah, the first order.
He sucks.
Yeah, he has no purpose whatsoever.
Because he's so incompetent.
Yeah.
The empire was really scary.
At no point in time I've ever been like,
oh no, the first order.
Oh geez.
The whole first order just doesn't make any sense.
And like, one thing that I really like in Mandalorian
is the enemies are,
like there's times where you're genuinely concerned.
And you know, like, he's obviously, but whatever.
You're like, okay, ow.
Yeah, all right, that one is scary.
I'm worried now.
And like, that's cool.
Yeah.
And the good characters, there's like reasons, you know?
And like, it's just,
I think the writing just seems so much stronger.
Yeah.
Same guy that did the animated series.
Oh, okay.
Which I know you liked a lot.
Yeah.
So it's not too surprising that I liked it.
I have no idea how much people do or don't like this topic
because I have no way of checking the chat.
So if you guys hated it, sorry about that.
And if you liked it, sorry about this.
Cause we're going to move on to the New York Times
location tracking expose.
The New York Times has published an expose
on the personal location tracking industry
after spending months reviewing a tranche of data
comprising a billion data points
from 12 million Americans in several cities.
So this file represents just a small slice
of what's collected and sold every day
by the location tracking industry.
They can see the places you go every moment of the day,
who you meet with or spend the night with, where you pray,
whether you visit a methadone clinic,
a psychiatrist's office, a massage parlor,
or a massage parlor.
And right now it is perfectly legal to collect
and sell this information in the United States
with no federal law limiting the vast
and lucrative trade of human tracking.
So only internal company policies
and the decency of individual employees
prevent those with access to the data
from stalking in a strange spouse
or selling the evening commute of an intelligence officer
to a hostile foreign power.
I mean, you could probably make a treason argument there
when the time comes, but I mean, it's been,
I don't remember the last time
someone actually got convicted of treason.
Like, isn't the penalty for it
still technically being put to death?
I'm not actually sure about that.
I don't know, I have no idea at all.
Anyway, companies that collect this information
justify their business on the basis of three claims.
People consent to be tracked, the data is anonymous.
Yeah, sure.
And the data is secure.
Let's walk through that, shall we?
Consent, usually you allow location data
because you think it's integral to the function of an app,
like a weather app, for example.
But the seduction of these consumer products is so powerful,
this is a quote from the article,
is so powerful that it sort of blinds us to the possibility
that there's another way to get the benefits
of the technology without the invasion of privacy.
Anonymity, yes, the location data
contains billions of data points
with no identifiable information,
like a name or a social security number or an email address,
but once you have so much data,
it's really easy after the fact to connect real names
to the dots that appear on the maps.
Like who else would sleep at your house every day?
I mean, well, maybe I shouldn't ask.
And then go to your exact job.
Yeah, every day.
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Like you're gonna narrow it down
to like a tiny handful of people immediately.
Yes.
And then with a very minimal,
like I'm talking half hour max amount of work beyond that,
you can probably figure out the exact person.
Yeah, how do we stop this?
Laws, I don't know.
I don't know.
This is beyond me.
Because there are services
that legitimately I would be disappointed
to not have anymore that do rely on-
And would notably negatively impact your life
and reduce your competitiveness against other humans.
Yes.
If that makes sense.
Yep, because you'd be less efficient.
Yep, I'd be more likely to get into an accident
if I had to key in the address in my GPS
instead of Google Maps just being like,
hey, you usually go here on Monday nights.
You wanna go there?
You're more likely to-
One button.
Not get the contract or job or deal or whatever
if you're late because you're-
You didn't know that there was traffic.
Too bad, buddy.
All right, tell me there's good news, Anthony.
Sure.
Is there?
With regard to?
To the hack pro?
Oh.
No?
Not necessarily, no.
Oh, all right, nevermind.
It's not exactly bad news, it's the same news.
Okay, fine.
Yeah.
Anything else?
Merry Christmas.
Oh yeah, Merry Christmas.
Have a great holiday.
Bye.
So location data is also collected and shared
alongside a mobile advertising ID
and anonymous identifier about 30 digits long
that allows businesses to combine location traits
with other information like your name, home address,
email, phone number,
or even an identifier tied to your wifi network.
Data companies say users consent to tracking
when they agree to share their location,
but those consent screens rarely make clear
how the data is being packaged and sold.
So current law.
By law, companies need only describe their practices
and their privacy policies,
which tend to be dense legal documents
that few people read and even fewer can truly understand.
The truly understand part's quite important.
The California Consumer Protection Act
goes into effect next year
and adds new protections for residents there,
like allowing them to ask companies
to delete their data or prevent its sale.
Buyers are typically data brokers
and advertising companies
and also include financial institutions,
geospatial analysis companies,
and real estate investment firms.
I would be surprised if insurance companies
aren't in there as well.
They might pay more than a million dollars
for a trench of data.
Absolutely fascinating.
So tell me something, Luke.
How much location data does Floatplane collect
from its users?
Technically IP logging would have some amount
of location data built into it.
But do we log it?
I don't think so.
All right, let's make sure we don't.
I don't think we keep it.
Yeah, let's make sure we don't keep it longer
than like a short period of time.
We log IP data for a certain amount of time
because we're trying to detect attacks
and various other things.
This stuff is brutal, man.
Like how can we accept this?
But then how do we go back to not having it?
I don't know the answer.
Like I don't actually want legislators
to come in and like make it illegal to collect it.
I just wish they couldn't sell it.
But then, okay, if they couldn't sell it,
then would I have to pay
for every app on my phone again?
Do we go back to-
I'm okay with that.
All right, do you want to go back
to do all the apps?
Let me pay for apps.
Interesting.
I'm actually tired of this.
I like very tired of this.
I sort when I, every once in a blue moon,
when I'm like, oh, what's going on in the app store?
Which doesn't happen that often.
Yeah, I was gonna say, really?
Not nearly as often as it used to happen.
I go directly to the paid store.
Interesting.
I don't want more free apps.
I don't want more junk on my phone.
I don't want to figure out in six months
that they're doing something terrible.
I don't want to deal with the ads.
I don't want to deal with microtransactions.
I don't want to deal with all this stuff.
So basically you're-
Just let me pay for your thing.
You're a grownup with a job now.
Sure.
Because Luke I met nine years ago
or whenever the heck it was,
he would have wanted the free app.
He'd have been like,
he'd have been like,
I'm gonna route my phone
and I'm gonna turn off all the telemetry data that way.
See, yeah.
I'm gonna rob them of their location data
and I'm gonna take their free app.
I would have routed the phone
and then I would have gotten the paid app.
That's right, baby.
Yeah.
That's the loop.
That's the loop that I fell in love with.
Okay, but I would have gotten the paid app.
Oh, okay.
So, well, okay.
What if you couldn't?
What if you could get the free app
but you could just hack out all of the advertisement stuff?
Then that would be fun too.
Well, yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about.
And I'm not,
I might still,
there might be a reason why I don't have to hunt
for new apps all the time.
And I don't pay for Disney Plus.
Not a ton has changed.
I mean, I know that you're on my Google Play music account.
Yep.
Technically family.
Jake asked me like last night, I think,
if I wanted to join him
on like a title subscription or something.
And I was like, no.
And he's like, why?
I was like, well, I technically have it for free right now
through Linus.
And he's like, what?
And I'm like, yeah, don't worry about it.
He's like, well, this one's higher quality and stuff.
Do you want that?
I was like, but it's free right now.
I'm gonna go with that one.
I'm gonna have to kick you off it eventually.
Okay, so we don't currently do IP logging,
but AJ says that we should,
but we would be auto cleansing the logs
after a certain amount of time.
Okay, just making sure.
But we do partner with Cloudflare who does.
Okay.
But we don't have that data.
It's accessible to us through the Cloudflare dashboard.
I see, okay.
But I'm pretty sure our terms of use
wouldn't allow us to do anything with it.
No, we don't sell it.
We don't do any of that kind of stuff.
But we do use it for very important things with websites.
That's exactly the problem that we're running into here
is that there are very important things
that as a consumer and as a business owner,
I value that make it important
to collect this personal information.
Then there's also issues.
But as a consumer, I don't want people
just doing whatever they want with it.
It's wild west right now.
There's also issues with the like,
you can't sell it thing.
Yeah.
Because like, if you look at something like Discord,
they're like, oh, we don't sell that kind of stuff.
But you look at who owns them.
Yeah.
And if they use it internally and with their partners,
which is I think how they word it.
I don't remember exactly.
It's been a long time.
But they do say like,
we share it internally within our company.
It's like, okay, so you're sharing it with Tencent.
Also known as a wild amount of companies.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
So where does the like linking of companies thing
stop the selling of data?
Yeah.
Because you're not selling it.
You might not sell the data,
but you might sell the whole company.
Sure, that too.
Yeah.
I don't have a solution.
Spooky.
In other news,
we've got I think one more thing
that we promised to get through with you guys.
Apple, Amazon, and Google unite
to create a universal smart home standard.
IKEA is involved too.
So is Signify, which is Phillips Hue and Samsung.
You know what?
There you go, whatever.
If you wanna hear more about this,
you can go watch it on, I've linked.
Yeah, no way.
Right now?
Yes.
Yes.
Good job, Jayden.
That should not have worked.
Oh my, we have, we didn't know.
We're cutting it there.
The FlowPlane app is coming to the app store.
That should not have worked.
It's on iOS, or it's not yet,
but it's coming to iOS.
You're a monster.
That took way too much work.
You know, if you weren't on my team.
This was not my idea.
I don't think I'd like you as much.
I approved it, but it wasn't,
this wasn't my idea.
And I guess I knew about it, I'm complicit.
So the FlowPlane app will be on the app store.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, it'll be great.
What is it, 24 hours?
I don't know.
I don't have an iOS device on me right now.
I'm gonna take my iPhone home this weekend.
It can take up to 24 hours
before your app becomes available on the app store.
Unreal.
Okay, so one thing that we will say
is your login on iOS has to be a FlowPlane official login.
Connected accounts will not work on the app store yet.
They will come later.
That's because Apple didn't want us
to have external login methods
if we didn't also have a login with Apple.
Sign in with Apple.
Which is no problem.
We will support that eventually.
It's just gonna take some work to get there.
And they were not okay with the app being on the store
if it didn't have that.
So once we support sign in with Apple,
which is gonna take some work again,
we will add in the other connected account sign in options.
That being said, if you have a connected account sign in,
you do also have a FlowPlane sign in.
What you're gonna need to do is log in on the main site
on a different device or on your computer
and request a password reset
because it's garbly gook right now
because you're using a connected account.
Set your password and then you can log in
with the connected account or your native FlowPlane account.
So you're totally fine.
Just use your native FlowPlane login
and then we'll add that functionality later.
But yeah, that's the only thing that's missing
from the iOS version is the connected account login.
You know what's cool?
A lot of people have hated on the FlowPlane name,
but for better or for worse,
It's pretty good for searchability.
It's not taken.
I searched for FlowPlane on the App Store.
If I search for like flashlight app,
there's literally thousands, thousands of results.
There's a- Seven results.
So this is flight plan,
which I think we'll have no problem taking over once,
you know, something actually called FlowPlane is up.
There's FitTrack, an aviation app
that lets you track your flights in real time.
Seaplane.
Seaplane, experience the thrill of flying your own seaplane
as you take off and land on water.
Fleetplan, Fleetplan Edocs, DHC2 beaver sticker app.
What even is that?
And FitLogic.
So you know what?
There you go.
The advantage to picking something
that everyone else thinks is kind of meaningless and stupid
is that nobody else has done it yet.
Yeah.
There's a YouTube,
there's a guy that works on a YouTube channel
that I've been talking to for a little while now
about some various things.
And he was talking to me about how
they were performing a lot stronger than they are now.
And a notable part of the reason
is that a really big musician released a song
with the same name as their channel.
And now on YouTube, if you ever search it,
it's just the song every time.
And then all the remixes and covers of the song.
And like with lyrics and everything else.
Yeah, so like that sucks.
That sucks real bad.
Yeah, what do you do at that point?
They're in a really tough spot.
Like it's pretty rough.
Oh, wow.
And like, that's probably not the only reason.
There's other reasons.
There could be other reasons.
But that's definitely contributing.
That's not helping.
I mean, when people can't find your channel
by searching for the name of the channel, that's rough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that hurts.
Speaking of channels,
the response to FlowPlane going into beta was huge.
This week's been nuts.
Everyone at FlowPlane's done a great job.
There was some crazy stuff that needed to be handled
and it was handled very well, I think, internally.
Good job, everybody.
You're fantastic.
We definitely did have some outages,
but we're good.
We figured it out.
Yeah, we figured it out.
Not necessarily like...
I didn't.
Who should have?
Oh, I didn't mean that.
Oh, that.
You mean the C-word company.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
Look, I'm not saying it's like a swear word.
No.
No, no, C-word just is like, you know, a word.
Yeah.
Got a C in it.
Yep.
Anyways, it was a crazy week for a lot of very good reasons.
One thing that was kind of fun-
It's got an F in it, too.
One thing that was kind of fun was a lot of users
thought that they needed to apply
to join the site as a user.
So we got a lot of like dating app style applications
because the creator application form
has a tell me about yourself section,
which is more like tell me about the content you make,
et cetera, but when it's a user signing up,
it becomes like-
I like long walks on the beach.
I like long walks on the beach, et cetera.
That's adorable.
Yeah, that was kind of cute.
We could have messaged that better.
Sorry, guys.
Probably, there was, you know, we're new to this stuff.
Still learning.
So I had to send it a lot of emails being like,
thanks a ton, but here's where I think
you're probably trying to get to.
So yeah, sorry about the navigational issues there,
but yeah, it's been great.
We have actually a very large amount of really awesome
creators have applied.
That's like kind of overwhelming.
Like we thought when we started this
that we were going to have to lean on like, you know,
me building personal relationships with creators
and then like being like, hey, by the way,
we like do this thing.
Do you want to help us sort of get it kick-started
by joining, but actually the amount of positive buzz,
aside from the handful of very vocal haters on the project,
the amount of positive buzz that's going on
behind the scenes, like the number of
multi-billion dollar companies that are aware
of what Luke and the team are doing and are like,
hey, what's going on over there?
What's that?
Oh yeah, interesting.
It would blow your mind.
It's kind of cool, yeah.
Do you have any idea when that interview we did
is going to go up?
No.
Me neither, I should have asked.
No idea, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
Hopefully we don't look like idiots or hopefully we do.
And then we catch everyone by surprise with their pants down.
Anyway, speaking of pants down,
I've got to go home and take my pants off
cause I'm on vacation for a week.
Don't worry, there'll still be videos.
And I'm not really on vacation.
I have like, I have to go visit all of my like four families
cause my family is a fractured divided mess,
but that's neither here nor there.
You said cleaning your garage was vacation.
I think that still means that's vacation.
No cleaning my garage is pretty therapeutic.
Okay, okay, I'm not going to dive into that anymore.
Thanks for watching the show everybody.
See ya.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Yeah, I did that once on vacation.
That was pretty good.
Wow, that sounds terrible.
I actually like that.
Why would you do that?
So that if I'm looking for a red piece,
I can find one obviously.
Wow, that's fantastic.
See ya.
Bye.
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