I'm doin' it! I'm doin' it! For a live! It's WAN Showtime!
Or rather, it was WAN Showtime a little while ago, but we ran into an issue.
Can I get that tangle of fans, actually? Alex, do you mind?
Yeah, so, just to give you guys some idea of what sort of problem we were dealing with before the show here.
Well, this is part of it, and Alex probably has some other parts of it, but not on hand,
because he's actually still working on the video that we were-
Oh, yeah, oh, that's good, that's good, yep.
Yeah, we got, uh, there is going to be- there's gonna be some definite, um,
you know, school of hard knocks engineering going on in this video right here.
So, that should be pretty good, but we've got a great show for you guys today.
I think, as you may or may not have noticed, I have- Wha- what's this?
Hi, everybody!
Aww, I- I- I- see, I don't understand the politically correct culture these days.
Are we even allowed to do that? Dr. Nick?
Yeah, like, I don't know, is that like an- like a- is that Italian, or like- like, are you allowed to-
It's Dr. Nick. Yeah, no, I-
He's a minority, because there's only one Dr. Nick.
Yeah, so I don't know if you're allowed to do that. No, I was recently-
No, that's canon, you can do that.
No, I- no, I was recently informed that, um, you're not allowed to say, uh-
Max is a member of a Facebook group, where you're not allowed to say y'all,
because it's cultural appropriation.
And I was kind of sitting here going, but that's just a word, isn't it just a-
It's appropriating whom?
Um, not who you'd think, is all- is all I'm really gonna get into.
Interesting.
But, um, yeah, I just thought- what's it called, a conjunction?
Yeah.
Yeah, I thought it was just you all.
It is.
Yeah, I thought that, but-
Guess it depends who started it, but I think the people who started it are part of an imperialistic,
capitalist society, it's fair game.
Because that society is grounded and formed around appropriation, that's all they do.
Hmm.
That's all we do.
Alright, well, we've got a bunch of great topics for you guys today.
Uh, Intel launches Xeon W for workstations,
further separating their server Xeon products from their Core i7, Core i9,
and Core i- whatever else, and oh also Pentium, um, consumer products.
And Ryzen Threadripper gets rounded out with the final chip, the 1900X, it has arrived.
Yeah, I don't think anyone was really waiting for it, but we'll talk about that in more depth later.
AMD is rumored to be losing $100 or more on every Vega 64 they sell,
which would be pretty bananas if true, although I have no guarantee whatsoever that it actually is.
And what else we got here?
And Linus's phone number and email are probably on the internet now,
as there's been a huge Instagram breach of 6 million users' data.
Oh.
Yeah.
Great, I'm glad we're covering that.
Hey man, news is news.
This is unbiased objective journalism.
You're looking into it right now, aren't you?
No.
Fake news.
That's Luke sitting on the couch in the intro.
Fake news.
No, that's me on the right.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, the right.
Wait, what?
All right, so for those of you who aren't familiar, this is James.
He's one of the new writers.
I don't even know if it's fair to call you guys new anymore.
Have you been here, what, like six months almost?
Something like that?
I don't know, five? Five?
Since February.
February.
That's like six months.
Yeah, that's like six months.
Yeah.
That's freaking.
Thank you, Colton, CPP.
Crazy, yeah.
Oh.
I mean, people are apparently throwing things out there.
So James is actually the one who prepares the WAN Show document
for us every week and has been doing so for about the last...
The entire time.
Yeah, pretty much since you started, right?
The week I started, yeah.
Yeah, so the first week he did it, it kind of sucked.
That's not true.
And then the second week, it was like pretty decent.
And since then, I mean, honestly, it's
been kind of hard to tell the difference, which either means
that James is a rock star or means that Colton was just
frankly never any better at this than some guy who started
it about two weeks ago.
Bit of both.
All right.
So first topic here is Threadripper.
I know it wouldn't be it wouldn't be WAN Show.
I wish I could...
Without all the Threadripper news.
See what I have to work with here.
He gets touch screens.
Oh, yeah.
Poor you.
This trackpad sucks.
A 2016 LG Gram.
And who has the 2017 one?
Me.
It's a way gram mirror.
Because that is the way of the world.
That's the curl of the girl.
Big dog, big dog.
And then table scraps dog.
Oh, that's how it's going to be.
All right.
So the original topic here was posted on the forum by Onotek.
And basically, I don't know.
I don't even know.
I don't get it.
How is this even newsworthy?
Why is this even in here?
You can explain it to me.
There's Threadripper in the title, dude.
That's news.
Am I right?
Unfortunately, yes.
Anything Threadripper related is news.
But this is a SKU that beyond a very limited use case, frankly, I don't really understand.
So the Threadripper 1900X has the same 64 PCIe lanes as the other Threadripper SKUs.
It's got the same LGA, whatever it is, TR4 socket as the other Threadripper SKUs.
It's got a nice, you know, high base clock, 3.8 versus 3.6 GHz for the 1800X,
which is the lower-clocked, actually very similar version of kind of the same processor,
because this is only an 8-core chip.
So it's more comparable to the 1800X in terms of its performance than it is to its bigger brothers,
the 1920X and the 1950X.
Right. To spin it another way, it basically almost is the 1900X, except with a slightly higher base clock.
You mean the 1800X?
The 1900X is almost like the 1800X, except it has a higher base clock,
and it basically grants you access to all the X399 goodies for 50 bucks more.
So for 50 bucks more, you get the privilege of buying a more expensive motherboard.
Right. Quite a bit more expensive motherboard.
Yeah, a lot more expensive motherboard, not to mention that now you can go buy quad-channel memory.
Quad-channel memory that will probably never be necessary for any kind of reasonable workload for an 8-core processor.
Now, to be clear, I can come up with a...
Thanks, Bixby.
I don't know what prompted Bixby to start yakking over there.
Now, to be clear, there are a couple workloads I can think of for this.
So for example, ASUS released...
What was it? I think a 19 PCIe slot motherboard?
I'm gonna have to double-check this. It might not have been 19.
Yeah, here it is.
ASUS debuts the B250 expert mining Ethereum motherboard with 19 PCIe slots.
Um, so with a Threadripper chip, you could theoretically do, like, what, like 60 of them?
So you could literally just cover, like, an EATX motherboard in PCIe 1X slots and power adapters.
Apparently, I didn't even realize this. It's not just graphics cards.
It is also 1000-watt-plus power supplies that are running into huge supply issues right now.
I was talking to a system builder.
Oh, right.
Yeah, I was down at Puget Systems yesterday, as some of you guys are probably aware if you saw the stream,
and they're like, yeah, it's like actually a problem. We're having a hard time getting 1000-watt power supplies.
Which may also explain...
Okay, you go.
...why Corsair didn't want to send us their AX1500i for that build that we're doing.
Because they can probably turn around and sell that thing like Billio.
Yeah, but what's worth more to them? The retail price of that power supply or whatever exposure we hope?
Well, I don't know. That's like a $400-plus power supply, so it's pretty significant.
Yeah, but the ad inventory on our channel is worth more than $400.
Yeah, maybe.
The one 1000-watt power supply that is no problem for us to get is the $1000 one, though.
That puppy's 1200 watts.
Is it 1200 watts?
It's 1200 watts.
I thought it was 1000-watt.
No.
Do you want to talk about the build that you have coming up?
Kind of, but it's kind of secret, too.
No, I don't think it's...
Oh, well, okay, we don't have to...
It uses an embargoed case.
Yes.
Okay, uses an embargoed case.
But I know you guys saw some of the low-end stuff that we're always focused on, okay?
And you guys were like,
Linus, why are you guys always doing all the low-end stuff all the time?
I want something that I can't afford.
I want to see a $6,000 Threadripper build.
And James is here to answer the call.
Yes, I am.
It's pretty badass.
It's got 128 gigabytes of RAM, which...
I didn't even know that.
It has eight DIMMs.
But wait, more importantly, they're all RGB.
You see, this is what I have to deal with around here.
I'm no longer even in control of the ship.
It's just like, it doesn't just hit icebergs.
It calls to the icebergs.
You've got icebergs working on the ship.
It takes like a big hook and it kind of goes,
Where'd the icebergs be at, beaches?
And it pulls them in and kapow!
You don't even know yet.
Six months in, this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Okay, and I can't take full credit for all the terrible puns
that have been in the videos recently either,
as you guys can clearly, clearly see.
I think that we've hit peak pun.
We're on the way down now.
They've all been used.
Like in the first build guide I did, which was the RGB build guide.
Yeah, every paragraph was a pun
because you could talk about the chassis or the case
and say, in this case, but now that's been done.
Yeah, but that was your first time doing it.
I had already done it many, many times.
So should we just keep them coming?
They're always fresh every time.
I think we do keep them coming
because, you know, if you do that,
then they'll always be in a state of ecstasy.
Or cringe.
I'll admit, it took me longer to get that than it should have.
I had to look.
All right, so why don't we get back to the 1900X.
So basically, the point of this chip is if you need quad-core...
Wait, okay, you need quad-channel memory
and you need a ton of PCIe lanes,
but you don't want a high-core count processor.
Or maybe, and this is the pitch that I've heard
for something like a 7740X on the Intel side of things.
Maybe you want to invest in a platform
that has greater opportunities for upgrading in the future
and you just don't have the money to spend right now.
So would that be someone who's maybe...
They're getting this for a professional use case,
but it's still their side business.
They haven't jumped in fully.
Because we're talking about a high ceiling here.
Yes, we're talking you could go all the way from 8 to 16.
Or word on the street is that AMD would love to deliver
even more cores than that in their gaming lineup.
And it wouldn't be that much of a stretch
because to my knowledge, the TR4 socket
is not that different from the server socket.
So there's already 32-core processors there.
How much more of a challenge is it
for them to deliver a 32-core on the desktop
assuming that we could figure out
how to cool the bloody thing?
Which is actually...
Maybe we'll talk about that in a little bit more depth later.
That's a video that Anthony's been working on
like a taming the beast.
Is air cooling or water cooling a better answer
for these super high wattage new CPUs like Threadripper?
And the answer may surprise you.
Ooh, I'm hoping this is going to be a callback
to the D-Wave quantum computing.
It's going to be up there.
Oh, right.
Like we have to pull a vacuum to cool a 32-core Threadripper.
It's got to be superconductors and...
You know what, I've already filmed it
so it's far too late and that's not in it.
So you'll just have to sit and be sad.
All right, let's move on to the quote-unquote
freaking huge Instagram breach.
Apparently I'm screwed.
I haven't read this article yet.
It was posted by Ollie on the forum.
The original article here is from Ars Technica,
but maybe James would like to explain
exactly how I am screwed because of this.
I'm not sure you're screwed,
but it's only $10 US to find out how screwed you are.
So what happened was it started off as a bug.
What a value.
That's what your privacy is worth.
So what started off as a bug in or an exploit
available from Instagram got totally scaled up
by some industrious hacker.
Basically there was a bug.
Some kind of data security research firm
thought that this bug could not be exploited
in an automated way,
but then this hacker who ended up contacting Ars Technica
did manage to automate it
so that he was able to scrape this giant database
of Instagram's 700 million users
at a rate of, what is it, a million?
A million accounts per hour.
A million accounts per hour.
So he managed to get six million accounts into a database.
Then he put that database online in a queryable website.
It's 10 bucks a query.
You can type in an Instagram handle
and get either a phone number, an email, or both.
Wow.
So this person contacted Ars Technica
and actually provided them
with a 10,000 record example spreadsheet
of the type of data that he had scraped.
And then they had some statistics from that spreadsheet.
So I think it was 4,000 out of the 10,000
had both emails and phone numbers.
Wow.
And then the remaining 6,000 had a mix.
And then if you were looking at that spreadsheet
based on the usernames,
they found out that they were verified actual accounts,
not just bots or whatever.
And they also found out that looking at the emails
and the phone numbers just based on area codes and stuff,
it seemed like the personal data matched the accounts
and it looks real.
Interesting.
So to be clear, not everyone got breached.
So I mean, even at a rate of a million accounts an hour,
it would have taken almost two weeks
to download the entire 700 million user records.
But it's still a significant problem.
And I mean, another thing is I guess realistically
there's not 700 million active users, so...
No, actually if you look at graphs of user to post ratio,
like the vast majority of Instagram accounts
have never posted.
Right.
They're just created.
So probably you're okay,
but also maybe you're super not okay.
And...
Depends if there's any logic in the scrape
and how it targeted people.
But the biggest risk here is that for some exposed people,
it's their email and their phone that have been exposed.
And didn't you get hacked one time?
Because someone had your email and phone number?
It was a little more complicated than that.
But yes, it is possible if you have someone's phone number
and you know who their carrier is,
and you can manage to convince their carrier
that you are that person,
it's possible to get a SIM issued in that number.
And then you can use that phone to break into other accounts
that are using two-factor authentication
with the phone number as a backup.
So, good luck everyone.
And let's go ahead and move on to our next topic.
Amazon turns thousands of Twitch streamers.
That's us right now.
Hey.
Which is why we can't show you anything.
Oh, no, no, can't show you that.
Into product pitchmen.
Poor ladies, as it were.
Original article here is from Bloomberg.
You know I like the Bloomberg.
I always like to throw a couple of Bloombergs in there.
Sure, that's fine.
So Spencer Soper says,
Amazon.com Inc. will pay commission to gamers,
artists, chefs and others
on its Twitch interactive video streaming service
for selling products to their fans through its retail site.
I mean, to be clear,
it's not like Amazon wasn't already paying Twitch streamers
to sell products to the people who were viewing.
I mean, it's no secret that Linus Media Group
is a member of the Amazon Associates affiliate program
and anyone who's a member of the program,
if someone were to buy a product through their affiliate link,
they would get a commission.
I mean, that's something that legally you have to disclose.
The only thing that's new here.
Yes.
And they're calling this program The Gear on Amazon.
The only thing that's new is that they've integrated
these affiliate links and widgets
right onto streamers pages.
So assuming that we could at some point
just point down and say, yeah, check out these headphones
in this little picture right here.
And I think the commissions are probably the same.
It says you can get a commission of up to 10%
and I think most affiliates can get that
provided you sell enough volume.
But the lower end is usually 4%.
Yeah, at the low end, it's usually about 4% higher
and it depends on the category as well.
So some categories and I believe this is posted publicly
so I don't think...
Oh definitely, you can just Google it.
Anyone can join an Amazon affiliate program.
You scroll down to the bottom of Amazon.
There's like a become a partner or something link on the bottom.
You can do this with Etsy and all sorts of websites.
Affiliate dash program.
Yeah, it looks like you don't have to be logged in
or anything like that.
So like digital services, for example,
some of them are actually not percentage based.
Like if you sign someone up for Prime,
then you get just a fixed bounty.
Sometimes they'll do bonuses.
But yeah, here we go.
So some...
Oh, Amazon gift cards don't get anything anymore.
Apparently, neither does wine.
That's a funny thing that
because I would think there's enough margin and alcohol
that you could afford to...
That's kind of a little British turn of phrase he did there.
Funny thing that.
Oh, wow.
I liked it.
Well, thank you.
Video games and game consoles are a 1% commission.
Ooh, see that's going to be harsh for the streamers for sure.
Yep, televisions 2%.
PC components used to be closer to like three and a half to four
and now they are two and a half percent.
Toys are three.
So basically the stuff that's easy to sell
where there's like so many like gaming sites
and gaming blogs and game streamers
where they just really I guess feel like
they don't have to work that hard at it.
Really low commission rates.
But then you move up into digital music.
Physical music.
Handmade things, groceries, digital videos 5%.
You move all the way up to like headphones,
musical instruments, business and industrial supplies.
Oh, now you're talking 6%.
And you can get up to 10%
for men's and kids private label digital video games,
luxury beauty Amazon coins and Amazon fashion women.
Are there any twitch streamers in the like the beauty cosmetic space
like they're on YouTube?
You know what to be perfectly honest with you.
I have never watched a twitch stream outside of tuning into Luke's
with like it muted to kind of talk to his chat.
I don't really I don't really get it.
Okay. Yeah.
Well, I'm old and stuff.
So like I'm like I'm like shaking my cane on the front porch
like old man style like my kids are going to be like,
yeah, I watch you know, whatever Gamertron person.
I'm going to be like go outside.
Go kick a ball like go go go just do anything anything but that
but I'm going to be wrong
and those people are going to be like the the superstars of that generation
and it's and it's I'm going to be old and I accept that.
So there you go. At least you're still saying going to be old.
Yeah, I'm 31 now.
I feel pretty old. All right.
So let's have a look at our next topic here.
Oh, yeah. Wait, did we go through like what's different about it?
Really? Apparently the commissions will be available to 22,000 twitch partners.
I really think it's just the widget.
I think the 23,000 partners might just be the number of partners.
They have like partners is just like creators who have signed up
or streamers who have signed up for the affiliate program.
Is it not? No, it depends because there's different yeah,
there's different tiers of twitch partners.
That's something that I do know because I know that Luke even though he like doesn't
at times hasn't met like certain partner requirements as a partner.
And then I like I think we are even though we definitely don't meet the partner requirements.
So I guess yeah, so it's a little bit complicated.
All right, but as far as Amazon's concerned,
this is kind of just their their version of YouTube.
You know how Amazon touches everything right? Mm-hmm Prime is their Netflix.
They've got grocery now this even though this is a much much smaller version of a video platform.
What did it say? They have 10 million viewers a day crazy,
but you're compared to YouTube as nothing.
So speaking of nothing,
let's say your phone had nothing on it in terms of storage.
This is pretty cool. A SanDisk just launched their largest ever microSD card.
But wait, it's exactly the same size as the other ones.
You mean it's still micro? How else would it fit in the slot?
Come on, you guys clearly we met the capacity.
It's in it's the largest ever it costs two hundred and fifty dollars.
But if you for whatever reason felt like you needed to carry around
like what would that be? That's like what 15 blu-rays worth of data?
If you need if you felt like you need if you had a phone that was capable of playing back,
like I don't even know. Can you do that? Can you play back like an MKV on a phone?
I guess it's probably possible like there's VLC.
Are they powerful enough? Yeah. I mean do they have a hardware decoding for that?
Not sure actually Android Oreo might I know that Oreo just added some new codex like from Sony.
There is a proprietary Sony codec that Oreo is supporting.
It would depend on the hardware though.
So it would be if the if the Arduino GPU has like hardware decoding for that quality of H.265.
I mean probably people are probably correcting me in Twitch chat.
But yeah, I guess there's probably no reason you couldn't play back full quality blu-rays on your phone.
Plus a lot of phones are getting HDR now. Other than that it would be really stupid
because honestly on a phone screen,
it is pretty hard to tell the difference between like a decent 720p video stream
and like the highest quality that you can stream on Plex let alone like a full blu-ray quality.
But here's the question that was on my mind when I read this headline.
Yeah, I kind of thought big deal like can't they release a headline like this every month?
Like is this just an incremental upgrade because these you know,
just like processing power like these things are just on up and to the right at all times.
Yes and no. I mean it has slowed down even in the time since Linus Media Group was founded.
All of this stuff has slowed down significantly.
I like it used to be that you got a new like doubling of hard drive capacities.
It felt like every few months and you know in the okay.
So here in the time since I've been a PC enthusiast,
so it must have been in around 2003-2004 when you went to the store
and bought like a decent sized hard drive. It was 120 gigs.
Well, I remember the first computer that my family bought it was 30 gigs.
Okay. So in 2003-2004 like an enthusiast would run out and buy a hard drive
that was anywhere from 80 to 120 gigs and you could get higher ones,
but they were like pretty pricey.
Okay, when Linus Media Group started that was 2003 that was 10 years later.
13. It was about 3 terabytes.
Since then, so that is that is what and a factor of what so times 10 times 3.
So that's 30 times the size in that 10 years.
So since then we've gone from 3 to 12.
So we've managed to 4x and it's been almost five years.
So think about that.
Well, I actually catfished you a little bit
because the answer to my questions in the show notes
because this new 400 gigabyte card is going to be the new world record holder for this format
and the previous holder that they're displacing was
Samsung who had 256 gigabytes.
Yep, and that's just last year, but it had been a little while.
So that's something that you might not be factoring in
and honestly, I think the bigger deal for mobile storage for flashcards
is really going to be a speed increase versus just continuing to ramp up the capacity
because we've got standards like shoot.
What's that?
There's a new super small card standard.
It's escaping me right now,
but we've got standards coming that are going to perform much more similarly to a full speed SATA drive
or even a PCI Express drive and this card sure 400 gigs,
but it only copies data at a hundred megabytes a second.
So it would actually take a really really long time to fill it up.
Like I don't it's not like you could use your phone as like a super high speed,
you know external drive for your laptop when you're on the road
and your video editing or something like that not at those kinds of speeds.
No, that's bunk.
So I don't really understand what you're going to be keeping on it unless it's something ridiculous.
Like oh, I need to carry my blu-ray collection with me.
Yeah, eventually this is just going to be your your way way way cold storage backup.
This is your Amazon Glacier micro SD cards micro SD cards.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, I got the whole business here amazing amazing amazing storage density.
Don't mind that the cost is just completely uncompetitive with tape.
Don't worry about that.
Also the the incredibly complicated controller we need to access,
you know, what I mean,
what would that be that would be like,
you know a thousand micro SD cards in the space of a single tape drive cartridge
like what controller is that
because you'd basically be looking at like us an incredibly complex SSD controller by that point.
All right.
What else we got for today?
What else is interesting with this orbitouch stuff?
Yeah, sure.
Why not normally organize the show notes with more boring things
or niche things at the bottom and this is pretty close to the bottom,
but I feel like I'm here and I think it's kind of cool.
Sure like the screenshot is in the show notes.
So we should just open it that way.
So basically we've been on like this wonky keyboard kick for a little while.
Hey, I just work here.
So I've done like three alternative keyboards.
We did the advantage to which is an ergonomic one.
Then we did the safe type keyboard,
which is just a more obscure or ergonomic keyboard.
And now we've done the orbitouch,
which is coming up on the on flowplane and on YouTube soon.
So the orbitouch is a keyless keyboard.
It's got these two domes that you move around in a coordinated fashion.
The process is called cording.
So basically there's I think eight or so different clusters of letters on the one hand
and you point to one cluster
and then with the other hand you specify which symbol in the cluster you actually want to do.
Sounds like a cluster to me.
Okay, but beyond the actual keyboard,
the company's actually ported this same typing method to VR.
And while the keyboard is aimed at people who have low finger dexterity in VR,
it's actually probably just the better way to type for everybody.
Right because you just you just gesture for which key you want to press.
Unfortunately, your link doesn't work because you linked to your own inbox.
Oh, I didn't know that worked that way.
Yeah, no that that that's definitely show my inbox,
but I've not logged it.
I you have the keys sort of go to LastPass get my password go to my email.
No, I can't I know I don't have your LastPass information.
That's not how LastPass works.
I actually can't look at what you store in it without locking you out.
So I'm using it wrong. I shouldn't put that in there.
Anyway, the point is everyone has everyone who's used VR has
probably felt a little silly holding these kick-ass touch controllers
and then using them to like laser beam a letter on a key.
Yeah, it's actually really inefficient
and the worst part about it is that whenever you're pointing at a letter
when you pull the trigger it like moves your hand a little bit.
So typing with any kind of reasonable speed is actually pretty difficult and fatiguing.
I mean if you're the if you like to like Tom Cruise
and always hold your touch controller out like that instead of Brandon Leeing
and holding it close to your body you after all that typing time your arms going to get tired,
you know speaking of your arms getting tired.
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Maybe and like my notes are wrong
because it wouldn't be the first time that we did something like that.
It's just a vestige of the let's go find out.
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You're killing me here. All right, moving on iFixit.
So iFixit, do they really need an introduction at this point?
Probably not, but we'll do it anyway.
Hey Alex, can I have that iFixit kit that we were just using to complete a project that we just did?
Is that a ProVantage 2?
There you go guys, iFixit.
They've got the guides whether it's an iPhone, an iMac, a Dell computer, some other phone.
If it's a device, iFixit's got a guide for how to tear it apart and sometimes how to put it back together.
And they're also leading the charge in terms of repair it yourself culture.
Because they not only provide the guides, they also have an extensive range of replacement parts,
including really hard to find stuff like weird little adhesives or gaskets that are required to put a system back together.
And tools like, yes my friends, the ProTech Toolkit.
It's now only $59.95 and includes their 64-bit driver kit which has pretty much every bit you could possibly need.
And a bunch of other cool stuff for prying, picking, poking, anti-static-ing.
Thank you Bixby, I wasn't talking to you.
Can I mess with this thing for a sec?
What, Bixby?
Yeah, no, God, no.
This thing?
Um...
As a noob, I have found two things in particular that I like about this.
Yeah, we actually hired a noob as a writer, like...
Never built a computer before.
This is kind of a, yeah, well I was gonna kind of get to that, but it's kind of a funny story from his interview.
Um, I, one of the questions that I asked every interviewee was,
um, tell me about some projects that you have on the go right now.
So, Anthony, one of the other writers that we hired at the same time,
he's like, oh, yeah, well I've got all these, like, retro consoles that I'm repairing and, like, soldering back together.
Um, Alex tells me about his, like, dune buggy, like, creation from scratch team that he participated in.
Man back shit probably shoots potatoes at the sides.
Yeah.
James is like, I built my own computer.
That's, no, that's not what I said.
I said, okay, well, what do you mean, like, building your own computer?
And you said, uh, actually, I would consider that to be pretty basic.
And I was like, oh, okay, hope I make it to the next round.
Yeah, so somehow, somehow you ended up around here.
Okay, so given that perspective, I was blown away by the fact that this puppy spins.
Because then you can just hold it in one hand and as you spin it, you don't have to reset your hand.
That's just amazing.
There's so many people face-palming right now.
And Tool of the Week, this puppy, is this the Spudger?
Uh, I actually, you know what, I'm gonna confess.
They all got cool names.
I can't remember which one's the Spudger.
I think it's the black pokey one.
I'm pretty sure that's the Spudger.
Whatever this is called.
I'm just gonna give it a newer name right now.
I don't know if we're allowed to do that.
I use this thing to just...
Yeah, this is the Spudger.
You're gonna get us in trouble with every sponsor.
Oh, why do I let you come on this show live?
I was talking to the iFixit ladies at LTX and we were making all sorts of good names for these things.
This should be...
This is a pokey.
Anyway, this is great for opening boxes.
A lot of people who work here just have, like, knives on their keychains.
Like Linus does, Tyler does, they unbox things all day.
I haven't got to that level yet because I'm a minimalist.
On my keychains, I actually have a separate keychain just for my car key and the key that unlocks this office.
That way on the weekend, I don't have to have those extra two keys.
That's how much I hate things being in my pocket.
So this thing is awesome for just opening up a new box of fans.
Love it. Totally worth the price of admission.
All right.
Well, I'm sure that most of you will find...
Over at iFixit.com slash Linus, 60 bucks.
I'm sure most of you will find more complex things to work on with that.
Speaking of working on complex things, Alex, are you done with that or...
Yeah, it's done.
You're done?
Okay, cool.
Okay, do you want to come on and join the show?
Okay, cool.
All right.
I actually get to go home.
Did he? What time is it?
Oh, wow.
It's six.
Oh, well, I can't make you join the show.
But if you want to, then you can.
Otherwise, I'll just sit here and be a show all by myself.
Yeah, see ya.
Goodbye.
All right.
Oh, how do I make this?
So, Alex, do you want to have that?
Do they know who you are?
I don't know if they know who you are.
I think some of them, maybe?
I'm not totally sure.
Yeah, Alex is a Toronto Blue Jays fan, apparently.
I actually didn't know.
You watch baseball?
When they get into playoffs, yes.
Okay, so you're a typical Canadian baseball fan.
Yeah.
It's like, well, we've only got one team.
And gee, 182 games is a lot to watch in a year, so...
Yeah.
I'm just...
Yeah.
I'd say the same about hockey, but being a Toronto fan,
then I wouldn't watch a game in the past 20 years, so...
Are you a Toronto fan?
Yeah.
What?
It's the closest team.
It is not!
Montreal is the closest team.
Montreal is evil, though.
Not to mention that anyone else is the closest team
to being worthy of your fandom.
I mean, that's a factor as well.
They're just...
Toronto.
I don't know, I wanted to be a Rebel.
Everyone in my household is a Montreal fan,
and I was just like, you know what, no.
I'm being a Toronto fan, and it stirred things up.
All right, well, speaking of fans,
these CPUs are definitely going to need fans,
because they have a lot of cores.
Wow, that was a great segue.
I still got it, baby.
So this was posted by Ezzy on the forum,
and the original ArtiTech is a...
ArtiTech?
Article is from over on a non-tech.
Intel launches Xeon W CPUs for workstations.
So, there's some good news here.
The good news is, I guess, that now on the workstation,
you can get support for up to 512 gigs of ECC,
so that's Error Correcting Memory.
It goes all the way from 4 cores to 18 cores in the Xeon W family,
so I guess that's cool.
Extended memory support, vPro, Intel's ANT,
standard reliability, serviceability,
and availability features.
So it's good in that there's a higher-end workstation platform,
but it's kind of sucky in that basically Intel has gone
from quite a few generations ago
where LGA 775 and 771 were pretty much a little piece of tape apart,
and you could kind of like mod one to the other,
and you could pretty easily run sort of workstation chips
in mainstream boards and vice versa,
to now this requires an all-new chipset,
and we've got sort of their enterprise server Xeons,
we've got consumer, and then we've got this in between,
and there's not a lot of interchangeability
in spite of the fact that there's really no compelling reason
for why that would have to be physically.
Yeah, like 1366, you could just take an i7 and plop in a Xeon,
and like it wouldn't even matter, right?
Yep, in fact, I mean, running server-grade processors
in consumer motherboards is something that I have personally done,
like back in the day with my Opteron 165 on socket 939.
The great thing about the Opteron 165 is that it was a good value
because it ran at a super low clock speed,
but by putting it in a consumer board, you could overclock the stuffing out of it,
and you could get great performance per dollar.
This is just artificially locking down the performance per dollar that's available,
and just, you know, there you go.
With that said, I don't think there's really any, I think it's, okay,
I guess Intel's other behavior over the last little while has made it less of a factor
because it's not like anything that's not an X or a case queue is overclockable anyway,
and these chips are going to come in more expensive than the equivalent core i9s anyhow,
so there would be, other than the secondhand market,
no compelling reason to go and buy one of these if you don't need ECC memory support.
And also there's that they just have, is it functionally any different than i9,
or they're just locking you out in many different ways for different markets?
No, it actually really doesn't look that different,
so if you go ahead and have a look at the lineup here, and let's go ahead and go down.
So here you go, here's how they're differentiating it.
There's Expert Xeon Scalable, so this, the equivalent used to be the E5 2600,
so this is what we would have used for projects like 7Gamers1 CPU,
and like dual socket motherboards, that kind of thing.
Xeon W is what would have been E5 1600, and then Xeon E3 is entry,
so this would probably be what would have previously been like LGA 1155X Thezeons,
where you don't actually get like the quad channel memory or anything like that,
you just get ECC.
So AVX 512 acceleration, yep, okay, so yeah, pretty much you get a 4,
a couple 4 cores, a couple 6 cores, an 8, a 10, a 14, and an 18.
One thing I don't know is how these base frequencies and turbo frequencies compare to the core i9s,
and pricing is still unclear, but what we can at least kind of figure out
is that this looks pretty darn similar to the 7900X,
and it is another $440 for pretty much those, you know, enterprise features and ECC memory.
Well, in fairness, the...
And you don't get overclocking anymore, I'm assuming.
2125 actually doesn't look that horrible.
Yeah, but why would you buy a quad core at $400?
This is basically what, a...
Well, how much is a 7700K?
A 7740K, right?
And a 7740K can be had for cheaper than that, and it's overclockable.
And I wouldn't run out and invest in this kind of, like an LGA 2066 platform for a quad core processor.
That's just like, kind of dumb.
Yeah, it's like not too bad if you're in a situation that you're never going to have.
Yeah, so that's kind of where we're at on that.
Actually, oh, this is cool. So Ian from Anantech went ahead and did a little comparison chart here.
So 70...
Here's a comparison between the top SKUs on each platform.
So the super high-end one, which actually now gets a new socket.
So that allows it to have more cores, more PCIe thread...
Excuse me, no more PCIe lanes, but far more cores,
up to 28 cores and 56 threads and 6 channel memory.
That one's going to cost you anywhere from $10,000 to $13,000 for a Xeon 8180.
And then on the sort of the high-end workstation slash high-end desktop platforms,
you're looking at $2,000 TBD, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say around $3,000 or $3,500.
You get a few more PCIe lanes, so the same as the very high-end Xeons,
and then you get very similar clock speeds.
Actually, a little bit more on boost, a little bit less on base, and a lower TDP,
and then more memory support and registered memory support.
So, yeah, I can... I guess that's a thing. Why don't we move on?
Yeah.
But are we still on Intel?
Yeah, Core i7-8700K benchmarks have been leaked.
This was posted originally on the forum by I'mNotSure.
James forgot to put that in.
Oh, I wish I had gotten to this one when he was here.
This was posted by RavenShrike on the forum, and the original article here is from WCCF Tech.
Goodness.
So this is a really, really interesting chip,
because word on the street,
according to, you know, the leaked box art here,
and the leaked benchmarks here is that per-core clock speed and performance
is gonna be pretty frickin' similar to the CPU that it's replacing, the 7700K,
except that it's gonna have six cores on what will presumably be
a similarly-priced mainstream motherboard and chipset platform.
Six cores! Mainstream!
I'm excited.
Intel ran out and finally delivered us a high-end desktop platform
worth writing home about,
and then went and made it irrelevant to the vast majority of consumers
for whom six cores is, like, definitely super enough
only a few months later.
It's exciting! It's a great time to be alive!
What do we got here? What are the leaked specs?
So it's a 3.7 GHz base frequency with boosts up to,
well, the only really interesting one is 4.7 GHz on one core, so like...
You think that's the only interesting one?
I am going to argue with you.
I think the 4.5 GHz two-core boost is actually more important
with how many games these days are taking advantage of two cores.
That's the same as the 7700K, isn't it?
Yeah, I think so, but the word on the street, though,
is that we're looking at a 10% IPC improvement.
So this thing could show up and absolutely kick the stuffing
out of the computer that anyone who... any chumps out there
who ran out and bought a 7700K.
It could be like the old days,
where every generation we had this deep buyer's remorse,
and we felt like there was actually enough of a performance improvement
to be worth going out there and buying a new one.
So word on the street is that it's going to cost $350 when it launches,
but with a 10% IPC improvement, similar clock speeds,
so you're looking at 10% faster right out of the gate,
plus that it could be up to 50% faster
in heavily multi-threaded benchmarks and applications.
I mean, this thing could show up and be legitimately like 140%
in the real world, 140, 150% the speed of a 7700K
in something like video encoding.
And I guess also that's really bad news for AMD,
because that's kind of their buttery zone right now,
where they're like, we have many cores.
It is going to put some pressure on Ryzen 7.
With that said, I mean, AMD has shown a definite willingness
to roll up their sleeves, like they're rolling up the sleeves
all the way to the point where like...
You are so white, oh my God.
Roll up the sleeves all the way to the point
where there's no sleeves left anymore
when it comes to adding more cores to CPUs just because YOLO.
And also they probably have a lot left over like in the tank for Ryzen,
like hopefully as they continue to improve it,
we'll see just generally it being better.
Well, when Jim Keller left AMD,
so he left for Tesla, if I recall correctly.
So he left AMD to go to Apple, then he left Apple to go back to AMD
to like rescue them, as far as I can tell,
and then left to go to Tesla.
AMD made it very clear that his departure
did not mean the end of the Zen architecture.
Zen 2.0 is already mapped out, is my understanding.
So we already went through that topic.
We already went through that topic.
We already went through that topic.
Galaxy Note 7 owners will apparently get a massive discount on the Note 8.
So that's cool.
Goodbye, Nick.
Bye, Nick.
Oh, I was so upset about this topic.
This was posted by MiniBeats on the forum.
The original article here is from PC Gamer.
You guys should go check it out.
Why are you upset by that one?
I'm upset because it never got released.
I liked the Nvidia Shield Portable.
Really?
And a prototype.
All right, choose your words carefully, Mr.
and Joy's being employed here.
I just never really saw the appeal of it.
What's not to like?
It's a handheld console that plays Android games
and that streams your PC games.
So Android games are never great,
and PC games are only best played on a PC.
What about PC platformers?
Yeah, what about...
Okay, I played through all of Tomb Raider on the Nvidia Shield.
Whole game.
Never felt like I was having a bad experience,
and the graphics were freaking awesome,
because it's a portable platform.
Okay, but I did not enjoy Tomb Raider at all.
I played a bit of it and was like, ugh.
GTA V.
There, fine, GTA V, who cares?
Any game that plays well with a controller played great
on the Shield Portable.
And basically, yeah, this prototype,
which looks like it has some seriously awesome improvements,
smaller bezels, that was like one of the only things
that I really felt like had to be fixed.
They changed some of the button placements.
It looks a bit more ergonomic.
Oh, man.
Just one prototype.
Made it into the wild, and that's it.
I even sent, like, and I...
Shield Portable was something that I would send
fairly frequent sort of pings to our Nvidia up about,
like, hey, when are you guys, like, doing a thing?
That's a new thing,
because, like, there's kind of an old processor now,
and they just never replied and never replied.
And it made me sad.
Screen was apparently brighter.
It shut down instantly instead of taking a couple seconds.
And, yeah, so I'm sad.
Apparently nobody else is sad.
Yeah, I couldn't care less, really.
Well...
Thanks.
Speaking of things that we couldn't care less about,
actually, this does seem kind of important.
YouTube begins isolating offensive content this week.
They won't be able to run ads or, and this is interesting,
be shared on other websites.
So Google announced this in June,
that they would begin isolating YouTube videos
that weren't directly in violation of its standards
but contained controversial religious or supremacist content.
So the videos that fall into this category,
aside from not being able to run ads or be monetized,
won't have comments disabled
and may have a warning screen appear before they play.
This is meant to curtail engagement
and minimize the video's reach.
So creators affected by the policy will receive a note
and will be able to appeal the decision
if they feel like the restrictions are unwarranted.
Well, I guess, first of all, how do they flag it?
Because I know their last rollout went horribly.
A lot of people got falsely flagged.
So if they're able to improve that a bit,
that's an improvement, I guess, but...
Let's see how it goes, is all I have to say about that.
Yeah, I don't have high hopes for that,
and what was the other thing that I was going to say about this?
It also seems like it's going to have a lot of people
that are just saying, like,
oh, they're just trying to, like, hurt my free speech,
and then they might almost get more shares
out of being, like, my free speech is hurt,
as opposed to just not being...
no one really caring.
All right, so let's move on from that
to something completely uncontroversial.
I just wanted to check. I haven't checked the document yet.
Do you guys have the Juicero news in there?
The Juicero news?
No.
Oh, I did hear about this, though.
I thought, you know what?
I think James specifically asked me
if I wanted the Juicero news in here.
Oh, they're shutting down.
And I specifically told him yes.
I don't know how to spell Juicero.
G-U-I-C-E-R-O.
I think you mean J-U-I, but sure.
J-U-I...
Yeah, no, he didn't put it in.
Okay, so hold on, let's go grab an article here.
Here's Verge's article.
Juicero is shutting down.
Apparently they're trying to get bought.
So that's pretty cool.
I'm so surprised that they're shutting down.
Said no one ever.
All customers have up to 90 days
to request a refund for their purchase
of the Juicero press,
regardless of when they bought it.
Employees are being given 60 days notice.
So have you seen the insides of one of these, though?
It's super impressive.
The level of over-the-top engineering is insane.
It's like they gave someone their first engineering job,
and they were like, make it the best.
And instead of them doing anything
besides making it the best,
they only made it the best.
The aluminum's like this thick in spots.
It's crazy.
There's no purpose for it to be like that,
and they must be losing heaps of money,
but if these are all just going out,
if you're a creator or you've modd things,
just pick one up off the side of the road.
There's amazing stuff inside of it.
Fair enough.
All right, here's something uncontroversial,
equally uncontroversial.
The Pico Goblin,
the ultraportable first fully untethered VR headset.
Their claim to fame for this thing
is that it doesn't require a PC,
it doesn't require any cables,
it doesn't require a phone, nothing.
Mind you, I could have designed the Pico Goblin
by taking some double-sided tape
and a Samsung Gear VR or a Google Cardboard
and taping them together,
because to say that it doesn't require a phone
and then tell me that it's running
a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 CPU
with a 5.5-inch 2560 by 1440 resolution display,
3G high-speed connectivity,
don't say how much, but LPDDR4 RAM,
16 gigs of eMMC 5.1 ROM,
and a 3500 milliamp-hour battery
is basically like telling me
that you guys engineered a phone
and then glued a headset to it.
That actually sounds a lot like the specs for the LG G4.
Specs for every phone ever.
With that said, it's cheap,
so it's available for pre-order for 269 bucks
if you wanted a craptastic VR experience,
because unless it's tracked outside in right now,
we are not there yet.
But where we are is at the end of the show,
so Alex, unless you looked like you were gonna say something.
No.
Okay.
All right.
I'm rolling the outro.
Goodbye, people.
They can't hear you. There's music.
I'm pretty sure they can still hear us a little bit.
Well, they can. Yeah, it's just uncomfortable.
Some people complain.
I don't know. I kind of like it.
G4 was 808, dude.
Not even close.
So, yeah, why don't you just get crapped on right there?
Does anyone actually care about the Snapdragon processors, though?
Um, yeah.
Like, they matter a bit,
but they're all kind of the same thing.
Well, like, they get faster.
Okay.
I guess so, yeah.
Yeah.