Do we call this stuff out?
Hey there, ladies and gentlemen.
Hey.
Welcome to the WAN Show.
Riley.
It's a show.
Riley and I were just in the middle of discussing
what you do on the WAN Show
cause he hasn't been on it in a while.
And.
Well, I was on it actually.
Guess we're jumping right in.
Two or three weeks ago.
Oh, were you?
But I screwed it up.
You screwed it up?
I didn't click the,
and that was me.
Yes.
That's my fault.
Ah, yes.
Was that?
No.
He didn't know that.
I didn't know it was you.
I knew that a thing went wrong.
Oh, wow.
My coworkers protected me.
So now I'm going to have to add WAN Show
to the list of things that we can't trust Riley with
along with RTX 2080 reviews.
You know what you can trust me with?
New apparel.
Pimping the merch.
Hey.
Love it.
So I've actually got our like oldest merch
and then Riley's decked out in our newest stuff.
We can talk about that later.
Anyway, we've got a bunch of great topics
for you guys today.
We're going to be talking about
the new eight core Core i9 MacBook Pro.
Of course, I have some sort of mixed thoughts
on this machine.
We've yet to get one in the office,
but I've been following the latest developments
pretty closely.
We're also going to be talking about
YouTube's controversial move
to change the subscriber counter.
So it's harder to tell just how many subscribers
a channel has.
What else we got?
We got Nvidia super something.
They teased something on social media.
They released a YouTube video.
I don't even know if I want to give them attention
for that kind of nonsense.
Okay, we're not going to talk about that.
No, we'll talk about it at all.
We'll talk about it.
It's just going to be me ranting angrily
instead of actually speculating.
Well, you can speculate.
I can't wait.
All right, what else we got?
Oh, well, we got the Huawei nonsense.
Oh, good.
We could talk about that a little bit.
Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
We got 5G.
So many things.
And first, but first we've got the intro.
See you later.
There's music here?
Yeah.
I always, I never know because you play the intro
and it's like, do we keep talking?
They can hear us talking right now.
Oh yeah, they can hear us talking over the music.
It's just, it's one of those things that we could fix,
but we didn't.
Corsair.
Wait, what?
Squarespace.
Squarespace.
Madrina's.
Madrina's coffee.
Oh hey, Madrina's is a sponsor.
Well, they can't see you drinking it like that.
Well, that's why I tried to make it extra loud.
All right, guys.
So why don't we jump right into our, oh, shoot.
I think I left the title wrong on a float plane.
Poor float plane.
Nevermind.
Nevermind.
No, it's great.
I just needed to refresh the tab.
Freaking awesome.
Love you so much.
All right.
Oh, oh wow.
It is so terrible.
Oh.
That Luke isn't here today.
Oh no.
No, no, I mean it's, wow.
That came across wrong.
We're adding co-host the WAN Show with Linus
to the things, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so the reference I'm making there, guys,
is on Riley's first WAN Show,
I made a joke that he wasn't qualified
to review the RTX 2080,
and people got upset because it wasn't a joke.
He's not.
And the difference is that I am qualified
to review it badly.
So if you don't want that.
Look, everyone here has their different specialties.
Anthony's our GPU guy.
He's more qualified than either of us.
I was just poking fun at Riley.
So that's the reference I'm making here.
Maybe we just shouldn't, you shouldn't just,
we shouldn't even address that.
But Riley, Riley, the thing that you're not qualified
to talk about compared to my usual co-host
is actually the latest by creators for creators
video streaming service that popped up on the internet.
Have I heard about this?
I doubt it.
It actually, it happened pretty quietly.
And I'm just, I'm trying to remember
what it's called right now.
Ah, yes, here we go.
Here we go.
So I really, I wish Luke was here
because we would have a lot to say about this,
but guess what?
There is another creator created video service out there now.
So they've got a handful of creators,
including MinutePhysics, SciShow, who else is on here?
LowSpecGamer is on there.
These guys are all on it?
These, yeah, these guys are all on it.
Oh, dang.
This isn't actually-
So we have a new archenemy.
Oh, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that at all.
Like their shtick is honestly so different
from Floatplane that it, I couldn't be,
I couldn't be less concerned about it.
Like it's-
When do we launch a concentrated strike?
A concentrated strike?
When do we send the strike force?
I mean- Just kidding.
Love all of you guys.
So their jam is that it's mostly like science
and intellectual creators.
So I'm- Like us.
I'm kind of thinking that our strike force
probably doesn't have to be that hardcore.
Oh.
I'm generalizing, I'm generalizing.
I shouldn't- Well, we would have the gadgets.
I shouldn't generalize.
They're just like sitting there in coffee shops
thinking about like the questions of the universe
and we're like, you know, building weapons.
I don't think we have much capacity
to build weapons either.
In fact, I would give them more weapon building street cred
than us for sure.
Maybe, maybe.
Okay, look.
I sure wish this was a thanksgiving.
I turned it right from the get-go
into something where they have to be enemies.
We can be friends, you know?
This is the problem.
What are you doing?
This is the problem with not just having
proper USB ports on laptops.
Oh, right.
You got an adapter.
You got a dongle there.
Yeah, I think this dongle hub is broken.
You're trying to live that dongle life right now.
I hate that dongle life.
Back in a moment, ladies and gentlemen.
And this, in addition to the fact
that eight cores is too much.
Not, well, it's not too much.
It's too much for an Apple laptop.
This is also why you don't buy the Apple MacBook Pro
because they don't have enough USB ports.
All right, we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about that later.
I'm upset.
Okay, here we go.
Let's try this again.
Freaking stupid butt.
There it goes.
Dongle is rubbish.
You're right.
Back to seven, two, nine.
This dongle's bad.
Hey, Colton.
What's up?
Got a bad dongle.
Yeah, show me your dongle.
Bad dongle.
E-waste pile.
E-waste pile.
Oh!
Oh, he stepped on it.
I did.
I mean, I wouldn't use the word stomp.
Colton's an absolute mad lad.
I definitely wouldn't use the word crush, but step.
Step, yes.
Boom, roasted.
All right, so, oh.
Oh, what?
Is it?
Hold on a second.
Did they block my account?
You know, I just really want to talk about.
Did they?
You're trying to log in?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm logged in.
I'm trying to log in to your competitor's site
and they deleted your account.
No, no, I wouldn't.
Honestly.
Okay, so speaking honestly, no.
I do not consider this a competitor.
And I don't mean that in like a casting shade way.
It'll never be at our level.
I just mean that it's really, really different
from what we're doing.
So I signed up for a trial account.
They have a seven day trial
and I was obviously really curious.
Hold on, let me just make sure that this is muted.
Yep, good.
I was obviously really curious
to see how they've got it set up.
Like, what's their shtick?
Right.
So it looks like one of the things
that they're using to stand out.
So you can really see from the categories,
explainers, history, music,
science and engineering, technology, writing.
Like they're really focused on like kind of STEM categories.
Right.
And then also music and gaming and film and TV.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, this would be good to have Luke here for this.
And then they've also got originals.
So Grand Test Auto has done some originals.
Isaac Arthur has done some originals.
Polyphonic has done some originals.
I mean, they just launched.
So honestly, there's not a ton going on right now.
Touchscreen works to scroll through this deal though.
So that's pretty cool.
I can do that.
See, huh, check that out.
Let me just see.
Yeah, CGP Grey, we'll go ahead and click on that.
So you can see people are uploading
some of their back catalog,
but it seems to be right now mostly.
Oh, interesting.
Okay, so I do know that CGP Grey has some involvement
with the project.
He appears to be listed as a,
I don't want to get the terminology wrong.
I want to say co-founder.
One of the big honchos.
One of the big cheeses.
What is this?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want contact us.
I want about us.
Ah, dang it.
Yeah, I got it.
Cookies, I know, I know.
We should send them a message
that we're talking about them right now.
Here we go, here we go.
Hold on a second.
Yes, community, co-founded.
Yes, co-founded by Dave Whiska, CGP Grey,
and Philip Detmer.
So you can see here
that he's actually got videos on here that,
this says eight years ago, though.
There's no way they were working on this eight years ago.
So I had seen one from him that said a year ago,
and that was the oldest video that I'd seen.
But I think that might just be an older video of his
that maybe is from like, I don't know, Patreon
or something like that.
Oh, but-
And maybe you can manually key in a date.
These are all exclusives?
Is that what you're saying?
No, I don't know exactly what they are.
So I've only spent a few minutes poking around.
I'm not gonna actually play any of the content
because guys, go get your own trial.
Yeah, like I'm not trying to get in trouble
or anything here.
But basically, these guys are taking
a completely different approach.
So they're doing $5 a month
that subscribes you to the entire site.
Whereas for us, we evaluated the model
of a per site subscription and couldn't really find a way
to make that make sense.
So maybe they've, obviously,
we're gonna be looking further
into what exactly they're doing.
So maybe they figured out something that we haven't,
but hopefully that goes really well.
So we're doing a per creator subscription,
more like what someone like a Patreon is doing.
And their other thing is that they're going invite only.
So it's supposed to be like a curated list of creators
that are kind of educational.
And this actually ties in really well
with a video that Veritasium released earlier this week,
talking about the changes in the YouTube algorithm
and how they affect creators.
That was a really good video.
Did you watch it?
Yeah.
That's good because it was in the writers meeting notes
as required viewing.
I watched it before you told us to watch it.
Did you?
Actually.
Excellent.
Ahead of the curve.
So as a recap, Derek from Veritasium
basically made a viral video, super viral,
33 million views or something crazy like that.
And then a couple of days later,
did a post-mortem on why and how that video went viral
and how YouTube's algorithmic,
I don't want to call it favoritism,
but how YouTube's algorithmic tendencies
tend to be towards videos
that just get an excellent click-through ratio.
Have a lot of tiny balls in the thumbnail.
Yeah.
Or just anything else that's very enticing in the thumbnail
because at the end of the day,
YouTube wants to keep people watching on the site
as often as possible and for as long as possible.
That's how Google makes money through YouTube.
The more ads you watch, so much the better.
So you kind of went, so here's the thing,
your more niche content
or your kind of more dry sciencey boring explainy content
that gets 4% of the people who see an impression for it
to click on it is just not gonna get
that prime real estate the way that something more
sensational that gets 25% of the people to click on it will.
Right.
And you can't blame YouTube for that.
They want people to watch videos.
That's the way that the algorithm decides
is the best way to serve people the content
that they want to watch.
But it still means that for people who are not able
or not willing to engage in the whole,
you know, we filled our backyard with Thai beanie babies
or whatever like that kind.
Which is very interesting.
A dump truck of Thai beanie babies.
From a scientific perspective.
Yes, very scientific.
You know, the ragdoll physics and.
So people like that are looking
for a way out of the algorithm.
And one of the things that WatchNebula.com says
is there's no algorithm.
And that makes sense given that this is,
yeah, given that this is like a curated list
of supposed to be educational or intellectual creators
for sort of, I don't know,
whatever kind of audience would want that sort of thing.
They're anti-algorithm.
Yes, they're anti-algorithm.
I mean, the cold hard truth is that even
if they wanted an algorithm, that's a lot of R&D.
That's true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're like, we're doing it, it's a choice.
Okay, we could add an algorithm.
It's easy, we could have done it.
I mean, yeah, it's one of those things
where Floatplane is also anti-algorithm,
the way that we see it.
A creator's page, that's their page.
That's not our page to advertise other creators.
Especially because on Floatplane,
you're paying per creator,
so it's not like you'd be able
to watch that other creator anyway.
Exactly.
But also, the cold hard truth is that even
if Floatplane wanted to build a recommended algorithm,
we would be a decade away
from anything approaching the sophistication
of what someone like a YouTube is doing.
I could start working on that right now.
You got this?
Yeah, it's no problem.
I've watched the YouTube trending page a bunch.
I know how it works.
So 225 Perfect says, Patreon support helps
to bypass the algorithm, at least somewhat.
That may be the case,
but Patreon is always going to be limited.
Well, not always.
I mean, they could fix it, I guess,
but for now, they're limited in one key way.
They don't have a way to economically serve video.
They don't have a way to economically serve video
on their site.
So they're never gonna be a one-stop shop.
And that was what we identified for Floatplane,
and that's what the,
I keep forgetting names.
Like combined Patreon and a video platform.
That's what the standard shows team seems
to have identified for WatchNebula.com.
I see.
Where you're going to want a way
to both engage with the creator,
and support them, and actually consume the content
in one place.
So for my part, I wish them the best of luck.
I think that there is a ton of room
for alternate video platforms.
I think that, I mean,
I also have concerns about fragmentation.
I think that's definitely something
that stands to become a problem.
If this and Floatplane.
There's a million.
And the one Jordan Peterson is allegedly working on.
And like-
If there's a bunch of people who see Floatplane,
and they're like, we should do that.
You know, that's a problem.
But at least they saw that we were first.
Are we?
Because it looks like they've launched
before we formally launched.
Wow, wee.
You can go sign up for Floatplane right now.
That is true.
That is true, you can.
Yeah, so I don't, I don't know.
Yeah, it's too bad Luke's not here,
because he could probably,
he'd probably be even more angry than I am right now.
No, no, I've talked to him about it already today.
And I'm really mad.
Why are you so determined to be mad about this?
That's just my instinct.
I get defensive, you know, this is my tribe.
Yeah, no, it's-
You better watch it guys.
Yeah, no, it's a non-issue.
I mean, they're, okay, the tech is really different.
So they're using Amazon AWS for their backend.
We've already dug into that.
They are, one of the key points of differentiation
seems to be originals.
That's not something that's a major focus for Floatplane.
It's more like, okay, behind the scenes and early access.
That's where we kind of see the value.
But the way that I think creators are going to see it
is they could use either of these as just like
a toolbox of sorts anyway.
I suspect that I haven't actually seen
their creator agreement,
although I'd be fascinated to, obviously,
but I suspect they don't lock people
into a particular way of using it
because they describe themselves as a toolbox
the same way that we do.
So you could probably upload early access stuff there
if you wanted.
So our other major point of differentiation
is video quality.
And that's something where because they're on AWS,
they either can't or won't be competitive with YouTube on.
So their 1080p is three megabit.
Do you have context for that?
Okay, yeah, that's pretty low.
So to put it in perspective-
I knew it was probably low.
Yeah, YouTube's is somewhere in the neighborhood
of I think eight to eight, if I recall correctly.
So more than double.
And it does make a noticeable difference.
Our 1080p is, I believe, closer to 15.
So it's closer to the bit rate of YouTube's 1080,
which is why, excuse me, 4K.
So that's why Floatplane at 1080
looks as good as YouTube at 4K.
We're actually getting really close to launching 4K
for Floatplane, but it's taking some time
because we're honestly not quite sure how to roll it out.
Do you think you can fire up a straw poll for me?
I can do that.
Okay, Riley's gonna fire up a straw poll here.
My electrician's calling.
Sorry, Brian, I can't deal with that right now.
What are we asking?
LOL.
We're gonna ask people what they wanna see
from Floatplane's 4K,
because we've had some internal debate about it.
So right now, our 720p already looks great
because it's competitive with 1080p bit rates
on other sites, but people don't like that.
They don't want to click 720p when they have a 1080 screen
because they feel like they're getting short-changed
and they're not having the full experience.
Yeah, and you can tell them,
720p is just as good as 1080 all you want.
Or they'll be like,
look, I'm having performance problems
because I can run 1080 on Netflix and YouTube,
but I can only run 720 on Floatplane.
Right.
And be like, oh, okay.
And the thing is you can't explain to everyone in the world
the difference between resolution and bit rate
or the relationship between resolution and bit rate.
So your resolution is just how many pixels
by how many pixels.
You could have a 4K resolution image
that is at like a two kilobit per second bit rate
that basically just looks like kind of shifting colors.
Yeah.
It looks like nothing.
Like a postmodern art project.
The pixels are there, but there's no information.
That's the bit rate.
Except that which you choose to glean from it.
Yeah.
Through interpretation.
That could be, wow.
That sounds like an art piece.
Yeah, we could actually do this.
Yeah, modern art museum.
LTT gets into art.
I know, right?
So then on the other side of things,
the bit rate only tells you sort of how much data stream
you have to work with.
You could have a very high bit rate
and a very low resolution
and you reach a point of diminishing returns.
Like if you're running at 240P
and then you go to 60 megabit per second.
So for context, that's about like an HDR Blu-ray.
It's still gonna look pixelated and crappy.
But it's gonna look really a lot better on a 4K screen.
No, it'll look as good as it could
given the limitations of the resolution.
Each one of those pixels will be as good as it could be.
Exactly.
So you wanna find a balance.
So anyway, we've got this issue with messaging
where people get upset
because they can't run the same resolution on float plane
that they can on other sites.
So in order for our 4K to really look a lot better
than our 1080P,
we're looking at bit rates in the range of 25
to 35 megabit per second.
And that's getting close to a 1080P Blu-ray.
Now, the problem with that
is that even people with a 50 megabit per second
or 100 megabit per second connection
to their internet provider
might run into problems streaming this
because of network overhead,
because of nearby neighbors who are busy
torrenting the Game of Thrones finale
or whatever the case may be.
Sure.
And their service isn't able to sustain that.
Also, sometimes you can run into kind of routing issues
where it kind of goes around or it takes a bunch of jumps.
And even though you've got the throughput,
your connection quality isn't great.
So you end up with buffering or lag.
And as a young video serving service
that's building our own CDN rather than using AWS for,
because otherwise we wouldn't be able to do this
really, really high quality,
we don't have endpoints like on every block.
Right.
Or Netflix's jam, you know,
once you reach that kind of a scale.
Gotcha.
So here's what I want to know.
Okay.
Everyone out there, not just Floatplane peeps,
do you want us to A,
downgrade our 1080p bit rate
and then serve a 4K file
that is a slightly higher bit rate than YouTube's 4K?
Serve higher bit rate 4K.
Okay.
Option number two, leave our 1080p the way that it is,
so about equivalent to YouTube's 4K,
and then have like a CPU internet connection murdering 4K.
Serve way higher bit rate 4K?
Yeah, I'm talking like 30 megabit a second,
like crazy stupid for internet streaming.
I mean, those are really the main options
because I pitched Luke on having multiple 4K files
that we could dynamically switch between
so that people could press 4K and feel like
they're getting the 4K experience,
but so that if their internet connection sucked,
we'd be able to just switch over to the lower bit rate one.
And he was like,
what are you trying to do to me?
Please.
Look, storage is expense.
Do you know how much storage cost?
You pay for the storage.
Do you really want multiple 4K files per video?
I'm like, okay.
So go ahead and create that poll.
Like that?
Yeah, sure, whatever, that's fine.
All right.
So create that poll.
I want to know what people want to see.
I'm going ahead and fire up your screen here.
Do you want to post that in the YouTube chat?
Do you have the YouTube chat open?
Is this the link?
I've never actually created a straw poll.
You've never created a straw poll before?
Is that it?
Yeah, throw it in the floatplane chat first, I guess.
Oh no, that's Twitch.
What?
I don't have the floatplane.
I wasn't signed into floatplane
because I'm not signed in on this.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Are you signed into anything?
Ah.
Oh man, do I just have to-
Oh, here, I'll put it in the doc, dude.
Type this, man.
Okay, that works, that works.
Where are you putting it?
Very top?
Very top.
Very top.
All right.
I will post it in the chat.
Boom.
It's there.
It's taking a hot minute to...
There it goes.
Dang it.
I pressed refresh on the page right as it popped in.
Here's the poll, guys, in Twitch.
Boom.
All right.
That's Luke.
Here's my floatplane chat.
I'm Luke on Twitch.
Boom.
All right.
Oh, I see an interesting suggestion
in floatplane chat already.
How about this?
How about you stream at sort of the better
but not ridiculous quality,
but then have the download be available
in murderous quality?
Okay, so that doesn't get around Luke's concern
that we are still outputting multiple 4K files
for every upload,
but I will consider it.
It's just that, like I said,
storage is really, really expensive.
Yeah.
How about codec?
H.265 and VP9 are quite a bit more efficient.
Yes, that is a good suggestion,
but unfortunately, it's challenging.
Hudson Tody says,
why not have a variable bitrate on the fly
instead of different files?
That's complicated.
Don't get, don't make me get started on that.
That's like really, really complicated.
Look, like we're hiring more people,
but we would need a lot of stuff for that.
All right, so I'm gonna go ahead.
I'm gonna load up the results here
and we can have a look.
Seems like most people want us to leave 1080p as is.
And just murder their connections?
Okay.
Well, it looks like that's the way we're going then.
Well, why would you want,
I mean, most people are gonna be watching in 1080p.
No, they won't.
I think most people just click highest quality.
Well, that must be the highest quality one.
Yeah.
And then if they get stuttering,
then I feel like they're gonna be unhappy.
I mean, for me and when I'm on YouTube or anywhere
where I only go to up the quality
when I think that the quality visibly looks not good enough.
Like on YouTube, if I'm like, this looks a little blurry,
then I'll go to the quality and check.
That's an interesting perspective.
I used to go, I think when 4K first came out on YouTube,
I used to go click on 4K
because I wanted the highest quality every time.
But now-
I think they also never defaulted to 4K
back when they first rolled it out.
Right.
Well, actually I think if you uploaded in 4K, I'm not sure.
I think it kind of intelligently scaled
based on like what you were watching.
I think it really depended.
I think at that time,
they didn't just automatically set people's playback to 4K
because just the average computer
was much slower.
So the landscape has changed a fair bit now
and YouTube does automatically select 4K
when it notices you have a screen resolution
and a connection that can handle it just fine.
I see.
I mean, another option is always going the Netflix route
where they just don't give you the choice.
It just is whatever.
It is what it is.
Yeah, enjoy.
Go watch some Crave.
Or don't enjoy, yeah, exactly.
Or not Crave.
Crave.
We have Crave up here in Canada and the States it's-
Do they have Crave in the States?
No, it's HBO now or show,
because Crave is like HBO Showtime
and anyways, whatever guys, don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it guys.
Hey, should we talk about like news?
This is news.
Oh, well, yeah.
You don't think standard and-
No, I think it's important.
Nebula is news?
I always forget that, you know,
WAN Show is more kind of just about like,
we're just chilling.
No, WAN Show is about the news.
So why don't we talk about YouTube changing
the subscriber counter?
Now I know this is something
that you feel quite passionately about.
This was posted by Tech Dreamer on the forum.
I'm just going to go ahead and bring up that thread.
And it is obviously a very polarizing topic.
Oh, subscribe negative one.
Yeah.
That's funny.
No, well, here's some behind the scenes.
Before we started the show, I was kind of like,
oh, this doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
And Linus was like, what?
That's not what I said.
That's a perfect impression.
That is not what I sounded like.
I sounded quite different from that.
Okay.
So in a nutshell, do you want to explain what's happening?
Well, I don't actually entirely know what's happening,
but I can try.
Wait, I'll tell you what's happening.
All right, tell me what's happening.
So YouTube appears to be changing the way
that they're displaying subscriber counts.
You can see it in the GIF that's on screen right now.
They're basically going to round,
they're going to start rounding it.
They've been doing it for some creators.
Yep.
If you go on YouTube,
you've been able to see this already happening,
but now it's going to be kind of standard procedure
for them to round to like the nearest, whatever it is.
They actually give some examples, I think, in this post.
And they've always done it in some places.
Right.
Like for example, actually,
I'm going to pop out of this now,
and I'm going to jump into my own YouTube dashboard here
for a second.
And yes, it's GIF, guys.
Linus says GIF too, don't get at me.
Why are you throwing me under the same bus?
You can say GIF if you want.
I have no problems.
No, I'm a GIF person.
I grew up saying GIF.
All right, that's what I am.
But did you?
Yeah.
Really?
I never said GIF.
Oh.
For the first time I saw it, it was GIF.
And then when I heard somebody say GIF the first time,
I was like, what?
Oh, that's interesting.
But now I've learned to accept it.
I'm like, hey, you know what?
You want to say GIF, fine.
You want to say GIF, it's fine.
I say GIF.
See, I only switched over
when the creator came out and said that-
Oh, really?
It was GIF, not GIF.
That was just a bonus for me.
And no, no, yeah.
And then everyone got all mad about that.
So just to be a troll, I started doing it.
Cause I've noticed you said it in the weekly meetings.
Yeah.
Cause I didn't know that you said it
until like a couple of weeks ago or something.
You said it for the first time.
I was like-
No, I did switch over.
We had an argument with it in my carpool.
Oh.
Who are the wrong people in your carpool?
James, David.
Oof.
Lloyd.
No.
Yeah, it's a GIF
and you display them on your Giraffix card.
Ah.
Hey.
Oh, you're just doing it to be rude.
No, not at all.
And I'm just out here trying to be a good person.
No, no, no, no.
GIF, GIF.
Okay, anyways.
Two subscribers.
Yeah, I was looking for a spot where,
you know what?
It might be on mobile.
Oh, here we go.
If a channel has 4,227 subscribers,
the public subscriber count will read 4.2K.
Yeah.
Which basically just gets rid of the last,
you know, two or three or four digits
based on, you know, whether you're in the thousands
or the tens of thousands or the millions.
Yes.
Now, the one exception to this
is channels that are under 1,000 subscribers.
Those ones will still display with complete granularity
because the rationale behind this change,
which is actually what I find most obnoxious,
like none of the rest of this stuff really matters to me,
the rationale behind it
is that what they're trying to prevent is dislike bombing
or, excuse me, unsubscribe bombing.
Right.
So there was a recent controversy between-
Toddy versus James Charles.
Two people about whom I know and care nothing,
quite frankly.
I don't really know anything about them
except their names.
They, I read-
Make up people.
I read one article on a particularly vapid site
and it told me everything I need to know
about not needing to know anything about any of this.
But basically what happened was there was some sort of like,
oh no, they didn't drama on YouTube.
And one of these people,
I don't even know which one, don't clarify it for me.
I really don't care.
James Charles is a bad guy. I don't care.
Toddy is the good guy, girl, person.
What?
Ooh, okay.
What, you think we're gonna get in trouble for that?
No, no, no, just I-
I'm just joking.
You know what?
It doesn't matter.
The point is, the point is,
one of them I think lost like 2 million subscribers
or something like that over a very short period of time.
Yeah.
And so what YouTube is trying to do
is remove the instant gratification that people get.
Oh, you thought I was being weird when I say good guy.
No, Toddy is the girl.
I don't-
Okay, just to clarify.
I don't know.
These are just-
Yeah, yeah, no, keep going.
Toddy is a random assembly of characters.
Right.
It's not-
Gotcha.
That's not even a name, Toddy.
Okay, sorry, I interrupted you.
Okay, so what they're trying to prevent
is people unsubscribe bombing
and getting that instant gratification
of seeing the subscriber number go down
and then news outlets start jumping in and reporting on this
and going, they lost 100,000 subscribers
and it's all over.
And then it becomes this negative feedback loop.
And at the end of the day,
YouTube doesn't want people unsubscribing.
Right.
They don't want people to stop watching.
Yeah, they don't want that.
Even if they're unsubscribing from somebody
and subscribing to another person,
well, maybe that's a neutral.
But from my perspective,
removing this sort of,
this insight that we have
into how the platform is operating
is really frustrating
and just makes our jobs more difficult.
So one of the things that,
one of the tools that-
You don't like that YouTube is telling us about this?
No, what I don't like is that YouTube is removing
yet another piece of bloody information that we have.
So- As well as the public,
because the creators themselves still have the access
to how many specific subscribers-
That they have themselves, yes.
Okay, so just to be clear,
I still get an accurate subscriber count
within my dashboard,
but you guys will not be able to see
exactly how many subscribers I have at Linus Tech Tips.
Now, the thing is,
there are third-party sites like socialblade.com
that allow creators to keep tabs
on how the platform is doing overall.
So we can track how many views other creators are getting.
We can track how many subscribers
they are gaining or losing.
And it's a really valuable tool
for figuring out what the overall trends are
on the YouTube platform
without relying on useless tools
like the YouTube Trending tab, which is useless.
You know how I know it's useless?
Because of how many of my videos end up in it
that honestly aren't doing very well.
Like I shouldn't be trending.
This is clearly not trending.
I don't know how you define trending.
I just watched an interesting video
about the Trending tab today,
which was saying that in Canada here,
if you're on the Canadian version of YouTube,
the Trending page is completely different
than it is in the US.
I didn't know this.
Sure is.
It's all like traditional media on the,
it was a video by Coffee Break,
if you guys know who that is,
but it's all like traditional media,
like late-night talk shows
and like real news outlets and stuff on the Trending page.
And in Canada, we go down,
it's all YouTubers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's totally different.
So whenever I'm down in the States,
I do notice that.
The other funny thing is my Creator Studio app
gives me a notification every time I hit Trending.
So when I'm in Canada,
Oh really?
Like every other day I get a stupid,
you're trending, let your audience know notification,
but I'm on Canada Trending,
which is utterly worthless.
Right, right, right.
Whereas US Trending,
I think might actually matter a little bit.
I wonder if like, I guess,
oh wait, they know where?
Yeah, they know where-
No, you're getting a notification
because you're in Canada.
Yes, but also I think we get served
to Canadian Trending a lot because we're Canadian.
Now YouTube has told me straight up to my face
that it doesn't matter
where you geographically upload from
in terms of how the algorithm serves it.
But it might not matter to them,
but maybe the algorithm has some subtle biases.
I don't buy it.
Because it's like,
when's the last time I got a recommendation
for a technical Guruji video?
Never?
Yeah, well, I couldn't answer that question.
Yeah.
Well, when's the last time you got a recommendation
for a technical Guruji video?
I don't know who that is.
Exactly.
He's only huge with over 10 million subscribers
in the tech vertical.
I'm looking up who it is right now.
But obviously because he doesn't speak English
and he's located in-
Okay, I don't feel bad.
He's based out of Dubai?
Yeah, he's based out of Dubai.
Obviously, those videos don't get served to me.
Now, okay, that one's in a different language.
That's a very extreme example.
But I still don't believe that it doesn't matter at all.
The Social Blade thing is extremely interesting.
Yeah.
I forgot about that
because Social Blade takes advantage
of the publicly available statistics that are there.
And now they won't have access to that.
So we can't even go to like,
we can't even stock other channels.
It doesn't appear to be-
Which is one of my favorite things to do.
It doesn't appear to be confirmed
whether Social Blade will be affected
because Social Blade is hooked into YouTube's API
rather than just screen scraping the data off of the site.
But my strong suspicion is that
if they're trying to prevent news outlets
from reporting on unsubscription bombing,
they're going to remove this data from the API as well.
Has Social Blade said anything?
Yes, they have, actually.
I believe the latest statement is that
they don't know how it's going to affect them.
Okay, has it rolled out completely yet?
No, it doesn't roll out until sometime in August,
if I recall correctly.
I just got signed out of the doc.
Later this year, it says.
Yeah, I think it's August.
Okay.
Yeah, I think it's August.
Okay, huh.
Effective August.
Okay, yeah.
We'll make this more consistent
by always showing abbreviated sub counts publicly.
So Social Blade said, upon closer look,
it may affect our data display, but only time will tell.
So-
Yeah, that's okay, now I'm with you, I'm against it.
I'm against it, this is bad.
You know what else is bad?
I'm upset.
You know what isn't bad?
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All right.
Delicious.
Why don't we jump into, what was our next topic
that we had lined up here?
Oh, 5G could break weather forecasting.
I had not heard about this.
Yeah, I had seen like a reference to it
in a couple of stories before,
but apparently it's like, it's actually kind of a problem.
And it's also a problem because all of these companies
are racing to get to 5G first.
And we're not really taking the time to realize like,
or to explore what problems this would cause.
So there's no calm before this storm.
Hey.
Hits us that we didn't see coming.
The storm of great data speeds.
The storm of actual like debris in the air.
Real storms, we didn't see it coming.
So NASA and the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration have been sounding the alarm
that the wireless spectrum used for 5G networks
could interfere with data collection
that is used in weather forecasting.
Now, I don't know if you've noticed this, I certainly have,
but weather forecasts are sure a heck of a lot more accurate
now than they were when I was a kid.
Are they?
I mean, back then the joke used to basically be
that the weatherman was like,
and remember this was back then, so it was a weatherman.
Not anymore.
Okay.
And now it's the weather reporter?
But what is the gender neutral weather?
Meteorologist.
Sure.
So anyway, back then the joke was that just like,
you know, before the news started,
the weatherman would take a dart and throw it at a thing
and then that was the weather forecast.
Because honestly, you know,
back in the late 80s, early 90s,
they didn't have the kind of big data that they do now
and the kinds of like super computer generated
weather models that we rely on now.
Full 3D with ray tracing.
Yeah, so like if there was a hurricane approaching the coast
they could be like, yeah, there's a hurricane a coming.
Yeah, but now we're like,
we can do facial recognition on it.
Now we can do, yeah, that's hurricane Jemima.
We know.
Well, nowadays they'll be like, yeah,
it's gonna rain for a few hours in the afternoon
and then it's probably gonna be sunny after that.
It's like, no, no, that wasn't the thing.
That wasn't the thing at all.
I didn't check the weather when I was a kid.
Like, so I can't really do that kind of direct comparison.
I feel like.
It's probably cause you didn't read the newspaper.
Well, I read the comics.
Yeah, me too.
That was all I read.
I was just messing with you.
So on Thursday, Noah's acting chief Neil Jacobs
testified on Capitol Hill that the interference
from new 5G wireless radios could reduce the accuracy
of weather forecasting by as much as 30%.
That's a significant chunk.
He said this would result in coastal residents
getting two to three fewer days to prepare for a hurricane.
Now, how does that make sense?
I mean, surely like hurricanes
that are two to three days away,
you can collect data like way out there
where there's not a lot of 5G signal.
Well, I mean, maybe if it's close to the coast.
All right.
You don't know whether it'll be a hurricane or not.
And this could lead to less accurate predictions
about where these major storms are going to make landfall.
Such errors in these predictions
could cost people their lives, he warned.
At the cost of, also we could have faster data speeds.
Right.
Is it worth it?
The FCC began auctioning off the 24 gigahertz spectrum
in March to wireless carriers
who plan to use it for new 5G networks.
And earlier this week, democratic senators wrote a letter
to the FCC asking that the agency refrain
from issuing the licenses to auction winners
until a solution can be found.
You wanna throw up the source?
People are asking for it.
Oh yeah, sorry.
The source is CNET and The Verge.
You know what?
We're gonna go with CNET.
What?
No, it's a joke.
I'm not biased.
It's just, it's just,
no, I don't want your notifications though.
Oh man.
Stop that autoplay video scene.
Wait, no.
I like CNET.
Stop.
The autoplay videos, you know?
Stop.
Man, space footage of storms is amazing.
Aw, inspiring.
It looks delicious.
You know what's weird though,
is it really looks round from here.
The earth?
Yeah.
Were you-
That's weird.
You a flat-
Oh no, you know what it is?
You a flat earther dude?
You know what it is?
Uh oh.
Is it's, see, I always thought
that it was a rectangle, right?
Cause the map on the wall in school,
but actually it's more of a pancake.
That's why it looks round.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm just kidding.
Wait, I need you to explain to me
what you're talking about now.
No, I was pretending to be a flat earther.
Okay, gotcha.
I was just messing with you.
So you know how sometimes
you'll pretend to be offended so well
that people think you're actually offended?
Yeah.
Sometimes I'll pretend to be an idiot so effectively
that people think I'm actually an idiot?
That's my whole life.
Wow, this WAN show just got really real.
5G though.
Anyway, so the 24 gigahertz frequency band
is really close to the 23.8 gigahertz
that NOAA uses to collect data for weather prediction.
And the concern is that they will interfere
with the sensitive sensors on satellites
that are monitoring atmospheric conditions.
Okay, so that explains it.
So if we're talking about satellites
and just like general noise and interference,
this is kind of like a bunch of people
getting on their 5G phone and playing some PUBG all at once
could result in kind of the weather monitoring equivalent
of someone flipping on a microwave
when you're trying to stream Netflix
on a 2.4 gigahertz network.
Right.
Got it.
No, I thought the whole thing with 5G
was that it's short range.
That like, well, I guess in cities maybe
it's more of an issue where it'll be blocked by things.
Well, remember too though that regardless of frequency,
if you focus the signal enough,
you can get incredible range.
Like 2.4 gigahertz WiFi can be used over many kilometers
if you have a point to point dish set up.
Right.
So without really deep knowledge
of how the weather collection apparatus works,
we can't say for certain what its range might be.
Yeah, I don't know.
So one suggestion has been that we could turn down
the power emitted by 5G wireless radios
to help prevent some of this interference.
But obviously if you turn down the power emitted
by the wireless network,
you're gonna interfere with its range,
which obviously the wireless carriers
who just spent a lot of money for this spectrum
are not gonna be super stoked about.
Now, I wonder how much of this is
because most of the 5G deployment that we've seen so far
is in cities, right?
Where it's like, you know,
there's a node on the corner of a building or something
that'll cover a certain area.
Like we can be fairly certain that that's not gonna like
escape out and interfere with something
or maybe it will, I don't know.
But I feel like I've seen a lot of talk
about trying to build out an entire 5G network
that has the same kind of coverage as 4G or LTE.
But I don't think...
I call BS on that basically.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like that will be A, possible
or desirable if this is true.
Yeah, I think we've got to chalk that up
to typical wireless carrier nonsense.
I mean, you look at like the Canadian carriers.
Oh, coast to coast coverage.
And it's like...
Yeah, they mean coast to coast,
like if you're in a major city.
Here, let's have a look at the Rogers coverage map.
Oh, Rogers.
Oh, you guys are adorable.
Yeah, I mean, if they can barely get out of here.
Stay connected with Rogers wireless.
5G, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, so Canada is a pretty big country.
And...
Oh my gosh, BC is so bad.
Yeah, the white parts are not covered.
Only the yellow parts are covered.
So it's like, yeah, the important areas,
like Toronto, the center of Canada.
Yeah.
You know, newsflash, the center of Canada
is more like here in Northern Manitoba.
We should be paying more attention to Manitoba.
Yeah.
You know, hey, Manitobans in the chat represent.
If you're in rural Quebec, you are like,
you better hope you have a landline
because you certainly don't have wireless coverage.
Actually, no, Rogers is particularly bad back East.
Frequency spectrum is 5G going to operate at 24 gigahertz.
Yes.
We've got another topic.
Now, you really wanted to talk about this.
Let's go ahead and fire up the video.
What did I wanna talk about?
Oh, super?
You wanted to talk about this.
I didn't, well...
No, you wanted to talk about it.
I'm gonna let you talk about it.
So this is Nvidia's teaser video.
This could be an Uber card.
Uber means super.
Did you know?
I don't know what you're talking about.
That's German.
Oh, no, okay, yes.
Uber.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not Uber like the cars.
All right, all right, all right.
We have no idea what that's gonna be.
It's a cryptic tweet talking about some kind of product
that has super in the name or on the physical product or-
You said you wanted to speculate.
I did not say that, but we can speculate.
All right, you go first.
It's probably a graphics card.
So it was posted-
Super powered RTX 2080 Ti.
It was posted from the GeForce account.
Yes.
Which would suggest that it has something to do
with PC gaming.
However-
Shield, new shield, super shield.
That's actually, I think-
Super soldier serum shields.
This is gonna be a, you know, like a, this is Captain America.
Captain America's got the super soldier serum.
Yeah, yeah.
You know about that.
It's been a while.
Yeah, so they're gonna have a shield.
Nvidia shield.
Wait, they also have shield in Marvel.
Yeah, no, I'm talking about Nvidia shields.
This is a different shield.
The Android TV.
It's a shield.
Okay, are they not super?
They're, I don't know, I hope not.
Okay, here's my prediction.
Yep, it's not a new product at all.
Hold on, I'm gonna bring up the video again
real quick here.
Uh-oh.
Okay, not a new product at all.
And you know, too, because you have inside information.
But rather, yeah, everyone knows Linus Media Group
is wholly owned by Nvidia.
This is our parent company.
Yeah, so you're an Nvidia employee.
There's a shocking number of people
who actually seem to believe that.
Yeah.
Okay, so look at this, look at this.
Hold on, hold on.
I think that this is an intentional typo
and that this is going to be a collaboration-
With Supreme.
With the, see, see?
Do you get a Supreme vibe from that?
No, that's a different font.
Hold on, hold on.
Is it that different?
Okay, hold on, hold on, we're gonna switch.
Where is it, where is it?
Okay, here we go, here we go.
You got too many tabs, dude.
So, Supreme.
Oh, crap.
Super, Supreme.
Linus.
Okay, they're pretty different.
One font is serif, one is sans-serif.
I'm going with- Good gravy.
I'm going with super-eme graphics card.
Super-est, super, super-ee.
It's pretty super-ee.
It's super, super-ee-me.
Super-ee-me.
I don't think so.
I saw a couple of people online saying that like,
ooh, it's got a collaboration with Supreme.
I don't think so.
I mean, James says, what could it be though?
Software?
So, I mean, we know AMD is probably gonna launch new GPUs.
Okay, we've had a leak about Navi GPUs.
So, they're probably gonna talk about those at Computex.
So, Nvidia probably posted this
to steal some of their thunder.
And it's, I mean, my best guess, my best,
I don't put money on things, but if I did,
I would probably say that it's some sort of supercharged
RTX 2080 Ti, because there's already a Titan RTX.
So, the last time Nvidia used super in their branding,
and I'm not talking about EVGA
with their super overclocked cards, was super phones.
This was back in 2012, 2013.
So, here's a CNET video about an Nvidia super phone.
I remember them actually bringing one
to our office at NCIX.
Is this like the, oh, right,
cause they were like, okay, we've had the smartphone,
now it's the time for the next evolution.
The super phone.
Yes, oh man, forget it.
We're not doing this.
Ads.
Okay, whatever.
Anyway, the point was,
they were gonna put their Tegra processors in phones,
and their Tegra processors weren't particularly amazing
on the CPU side of things,
but they had Nvidia graphics technology in them,
so they were gonna be great for gaming.
And super phones, I believe, a couple of phones
did actually end up getting at least announced
with Tegra processors in them,
but then it never went anywhere.
It was a complete dead end.
The iPhone was just completely dominant at that time.
Yeah, this is way back like six years ago.
That's like the year that I started all this stuff,
so I don't remember.
And it was dead by 2013.
It was like a 2012 kind of thing
that they were talking about.
So that to me might suggest
that if they wanted like a super tablet,
that might be something to do with it.
Oh, maybe this is the,
cause we've had a couple leaks and rumors this year
about a new Shield gaming portable device.
So maybe it's a refresh to Shield
based on like their super.
What a dumb name though.
Super.
Super Shield.
I mean, is it any?
Is it any?
Well, that's why I was like,
oh, if it's a graphics card, I can see that
because like what else, you know,
they've got the TIs, they've got the SCs,
they got the OCs, like how many more things
can we put on top on the end of GPU names?
Super is like super edition.
I'm like, okay.
It's a weird adjective.
Is it any dumber than like,
is it any dumber than Captain America?
That was a joke.
This super serum or what I'm like,
no, no, Captain America is not a joke.
Don't you talk.
He's a very serious character.
I agree.
I was just gonna say,
don't you bad mouth Captain America.
I just mean, is it any dumber than that?
He's a hero.
Is it any dumber than Batman?
Like we, but.
Wow.
So from my perspective,
the validity of a brand really comes from
how good the product is
rather than the other way around.
Right.
It's not like you decide that a product is good
based on hearing the name that makes you feel like.
I can decide that the product name is dumb
without knowing what the product is.
Right, but over time,
I postulate that you will accept it.
Yeah.
I bet you've accepted what a stupid name Kijiji is now.
I've never used Kijiji and I still think it's dumb.
Okay, what about iPad?
Have you accepted iPad?
I mean, I accept it as a fact of life.
We all thought it sounded like feminine hygiene products
at the time.
Ha ha ha.
I.
When's the last time you thought of that?
Well, okay, how about this?
Do you accept how Apple refers to its products
without articles?
Like they don't say the MacBook Pro, a MacBook Pro.
No, I actually do not accept that.
Okay, well.
iPhone is an amazing experience.
iPhone is not a proper noun Apple.
This eight core process,
we didn't even talk about that,
but this eight core processor makes MacBook Pro
the world's best MacBook.
Makes the MacBook Pro?
Okay, we should probably talk about that
because that was sort of the, okay.
So what do I call it then?
New MacBook Pro.
If I can't say the, I'm stuck.
It's just MacBook Pro with the type of display it has 2019.
That's stupid.
They should really start getting creative again.
You know?
Yeah.
Like go through.
How about super MacBook Pro?
Superbook Mac edition.
Superbook.
Well, Intel has their muscle books.
Oh yeah, that's gonna be great.
That's a name I decided was stupid
and that I wouldn't like the product
before it ever actually happened.
Okay, so Apple released a new MacBook Pro
with Intel's new eight core Core i9 processor.
This is a crazy freaking mobile chip.
It's not in here.
Don't worry about it.
And our immediate reaction to this device
was that if Apple couldn't manage to tame
the six core Core i9
that was in the last generation MacBook.
Oh right, cause that was the one that overheated.
It was a six core one.
Yeah, that was the one that had the whole scandal around it
where they didn't have the,
basically the allowances in their software
to let the CPU just go to 100, 105 degrees
without throttling.
So it was turning down.
It was not performing the way it was supposed to
even underperforming the quad core variant
that had come before it.
But they, wait, they released an update, right?
They released an update that fixed it in Mac OS
but not in Windows.
Because at the end of the day,
what they were doing was they were like
kind of playing around with the power States
and playing around with the thermal threshold
to allow it to not drop below its base clock.
But it was, I mean, it's cooking in there.
Yeah.
It's absolutely cooking in there.
So we speculated that the new ACORE MacBook Pro
was not gonna be a better situation for sure.
So we figured it was gonna thermal throttle.
Now, Quinn from Snazzy Labs has already posted on Twitter
that it doesn't thermal throttle.
He says it just barely
manages to maintain its base clock.
However, I think you guys can always expect
to get the non,
the non-Apple point of view from us.
So we definitely have one on the way.
It's already been ordered.
Are you messaging me right now?
Is that, why don't you just come in and talk to me?
Oh man.
You seem like you had such a great rant going.
Oh, maybe.
Yeah, I didn't wanna stop that.
Okay, whatever.
The point is you can always expect
the alternate side of the coin from us.
So we are going to be addressing some of the criticisms
of our last video about Apple's thermal throttling
in our review of the MacBook Pro 8 core 2019 mid retina,
whatever the stupid thing is called.
So stay tuned because from my perspective,
there's a lot of different ways
to define thermal throttling.
So thermal.
Okay, so you can say if it doesn't go below its base clock,
it didn't thermal throttle.
That's one way of defining it.
That's correct.
You can also say, you got your one word, thermal.
Okay, so it's heat.
Yeah, you got your other word, throttle,
which is vroom, vroom.
Okay, so anything other than the best
that it could possibly perform,
you could make the argument is throttling.
Now the base clock, a bit pedantic,
is not the same thing as the all core boost.
So even if the laptop is maintaining its base clock
per Intel spec, so that's what Intel rates it for
with its TDP, like its thermal rating,
that doesn't mean that if that chip
didn't have a better cooling solution,
it couldn't perform a lot better.
Sure.
So all core boost is what Intel rates the chip
to clock up to, assuming the power and thermal overhead
is available for it to turn itself up.
So these, I wonder if, does Mac,
does Apple have like a specific list?
Like, do they say this is the base clock,
this is the boost clock?
They only advertise boost, if I recall correctly.
They only advertise boost clock.
A lot of manufacturers do that.
And we criticized Apple for it and people were like,
well, yeah, but what about?
And so in our video, we're gonna make a point
of also criticizing other manufacturers for it
because it's stupid regardless of who does it.
Because, you know, we talk about Apple a lot,
but I'm sure a lot of these other, you know,
Windows laptops with heat intensive processors
also don't get all the way up to their boost clocks
all the time.
So the thing that bothers me particularly about Apple is,
and Quinn actually talked about this in his tweets,
they advertise a boost clock that that chip
is just never gonna see.
Apple does.
Yeah. Right.
Because they advertise a boost clock,
but he's saying that it doesn't even, barely gets past
the base clock.
So the maximum boost clock is based on a single core
or a two core load.
And the base clock is based on the minimum
that it should run at, at that thermal rating
that Intel assigns to the processor
for all cores being loaded.
So they're completely different measures.
But what he said was that it manages to maintain base clock
in an all core load and he didn't manage to see it
hit its maximum advertised boost clock pretty much at all.
But if it works fine, and if you, you know,
you can go in GarageBand and make your little songs,
then it, what's the, what's the difference?
You know?
I'm gonna move on to Super Chats
because I'd rather talk to someone else right now.
Hey, at least we'll remember to do them this time, eh?
Yeah, well.
Come on.
Richard Lehman says, love your channel.
It's given me many ideas for my new computer.
Nice.
No problem, Richard.
Carlos says nothing.
Love you, Carlos.
Here's two bucks.
Tommy Gun 1928.
Were you born in 1928?
Well, I thought that was the question.
We don't have a lot of,
we don't have a lot of elderly viewers, but Tommy Gun.
All right.
Hey Linus, what laptop are you using during WAN?
This is an HP something, elite book of some sort.
I don't know, it's not great.
It's a fancy laptop.
I'm not gonna recommend it.
Giovanni Giorgio.
Oh, I daily drive a Razer Blade Stealth,
but I don't know if I'm gonna recommend that either
because it's the old one, not the new one.
I don't really like the new one that much.
I need to find a new laptop that is like my go-to.
I use the LG Gram 17.
That one's pretty cool.
I really wish it had a touchscreen.
Yeah.
I'd be super into it if it had a touchscreen.
That's true.
I'd be like, Riley, that's my Gram now.
Sorry.
You could, that's fine.
All right, Eric, thoughts on Thunderbolt 3 for phones?
I don't really have any.
It sounds like unnecessary power consumption to me.
I don't know what you'd do with it.
Yeah, I don't know why you would,
I mean, unless you wanna use your phone
as like a super powered flash drive or something.
USB 3 Type-C already has many, many of the benefits
of a Thunderbolt 3 port.
Like if you wanted to run an external display
and some peripherals or whatever,
you can already do that.
Maybe that'll be important when Android Q comes out
because it might have a desktop mode.
Even then you could use Type-C for that.
Yeah.
Do your display and your peripherals, your networking.
Like this right here is not a Thunderbolt dongle.
It's just a USB Type-C dongle.
It got your HDMI, you got your three USB ports,
you've got your power pass through,
you've got your gigabit LAN,
you've got your micro SD and your SD card reader.
Like this is all I could possibly want on a phone.
And it's pink. Honestly.
And it's pink, isn't it?
So that's fun.
Yeah, I like it.
Rose gold, excuse me.
Sorry, sorry.
Jeremy says, YouTube Premium gave me
a free Super Chat to send.
Yay. Thanks.
Benny says, what do you think the best monitor is?
I think the best monitor is coming
and I need to make sure it's not under embargo
before I tell you guys what it's gonna be.
One moment, please.
The best monitor, like out of every single option there is?
That's a bold claim to try and make.
I'm going for gaming,
just because that's like what I assume they're asking.
That 4K 144 Hertz, G-Sync.
This embargo doesn't say anything about an embargo,
so I'm going with it.
Asus has their PG35VQ coming.
So it's a 3440 by 1440 ultra wide that does 200 Hertz
and has like, I don't know, a bunch of dimming zones
and HDR up the butt and like all that good stuff.
So I'm going, I'm finally getting an upgrade
for my Predator X34.
It's gonna be bigger, it's gonna be badder.
You already have one on your desk up there.
I get better than to ask these things on the WAN Show.
Jamaican says, hi, Riley.
What's up, dude?
Mikel, yeah, he can't respond, so I don't.
Just saying, what's up?
Mikel says, quick question.
My computer will be an idle
while the mother is on or off.
The computer will start revving really hard
and the only way I can get it back to work again
is if I do a hard reset.
Have you ever experienced this problem?
My computer will be an idle
while the mother is on or off.
The computer will start revving really hard.
I do a hard reset.
No, I've not experienced that problem.
Hey, check, post it in the forum.
Yeah, that would be a really good idea.
Post it on the winesttechtips.com forum.
Other Side Guy says, collab with Mighty Car Mods when?
Alex would die, he would love it.
Yeah, I'd be pretty sick, actually.
Andrew says, my girlfriend won't let me buy LTT shirts,
saying I have too many.
Look at this.
Are you looking into making other LTT apparel
such as pants, socks, and beanies?
Well, this is another shirt.
That's another shirt.
That's our new CPU design.
Yeah.
We also have the water bottles back in stock, lttstore.com.
We have hats.
We got hats, dude.
We're gonna have boxers soon.
Can you see the logo on it?
You know about the boxers, right?
I do.
Have you seen them?
No, I haven't seen them.
Oh, they're sick.
Do I have them on me?
Oh, we have a box full of,
I was supposed to talk about this.
I'm gonna get in trouble.
No, the boxers aren't in here.
Yeah, boxers aren't in there.
Velcro straps.
Table ties.
Yeah.
Jonathan says, why not 1440p next?
That is actually a most excellent idea.
We could do that on Floatplane.
It's still wouldn't address people being upset
that, well, my 4K works for the world.
If you got a 4K monitor,
you're gonna be like, 1440p?
Michael says, go with super quality,
but just call it low, medium, high, and ultra.
Oh.
Huh?
So we could take like a-
But that's deceitful.
What is it?
Duke Nukem or whatever,
where you've just got like,
instead of low, medium, high,
you've got like, hurt me plenty,
and like, kinda-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
False advertising, I think it's called.
It burns when I pee, you know?
Okay.
You shouldn't say that on the show, dude.
That's private.
Riley doesn't know, what are the odds?
I feel like if we had looked at that at the time-
Never tell me the odds.
It might've made more sense.
Jif is for the uncultured.
Do you have a response?
I have no response.
Says Ryu.
What happened in your life
that you wanna be mean to people like that?
That's my response.
Joe Scalen says,
many US carriers limit to 1.5 megabit per second.
Yeah, we have separate files for mobile, don't worry.
It's okay.
Chris says, have you tried the Quest?
What do you think so far? Are we gonna try it?
I honestly didn't care.
Everyone's saying it's really good.
And I know that we don't do that much VR stuff anymore,
and I'm not gonna say, let's do VR stuff,
but it seems like everyone loves it.
Don't do a ton of mobile VR stuff,
because apparently it's really good.
All right, fine.
You're on it.
Nice.
That's your next assignment.
Okay, Riley's on it.
Sick, dude.
Can you add it to Trello?
All right, right now.
I'm not signed in to anything, so I can't, but.
Zion says, G-Force experience with ray tracing update
for superior performance.
Look at the light shading and rendering in the teaser.
I think Nvidia makes all their teasers look sexy,
regardless of what the tech is.
Oh, he's saying the super, wait, what?
So it's gonna be, he's saying that it's gonna be,
super is going to be an update to ray tracing?
Yeah, I kind of doubt it.
Eh, maybe.
Here's another one.
Here's the money I got from buying YouTube Red, says Kian.
Nice.
Tech support says, super is a dumb name,
but so is Linus Tech Tips.
I don't even disagree.
D says, Corey, lol, you don't know,
I just tried it tonight.
I'm waiting, so now, wait,
people are sending super chats
to talk to other people in the chat?
Okay, I'm waiting for the marriage proposal then.
Oh man, I've seen you in the super chats.
It's like a, it's like a personal class,
what do you call those?
The personals?
Yeah, I think that's, classifieds, classifieds.
No, that's personals.
Personals?
Yeah, I saw you on the bus.
Let's get a coffee.
Tejas says, Apple mentions both base and boost clock.
So, for the video, we're going to go through,
we're going to research it thoroughly.
Don't worry, we're going to have some fun with it.
Speaking of having fun, it's time for me to go home
and have some fun packing.
Yeah, heading to Taiwan.
How did you get out of it?
Cause I thought we were going to send you for quick bits.
Yeah, I think I made a argument
that it might not be worth it.
Well, right, and then it was going to cost me
like a couple grand to send you there, so.
Yeah, and I'll probably just end up kind of like
doing the same thing that I do here mostly anyway.
So, maybe the next event, but like, it's a one day,
the thing is it's a one day production cycle.
So it's like, it's hard to do anytime you're on an event.
I've gone to many events and done TechLink now.
We could send you to E3.
I know what I'm in for.
Yeah, there's apparently going to be
some hardware announcements, but we'll see.
Okay.
Maybe a new Xbox.
What about E3?
We talked about this before.
We also know that there's like Switch refreshes
supposedly coming.
Sony announced the PlayStation 5.
Yeah, but they're not going to reveal that until,
Switch I think is coming after E3
and Xbox might be coming at E3.
Which one, is it Sony that for the first time ever
isn't going to have an E3 presence at all?
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
So they're not going to be there.
They're definitely not doing it.
Then again, maybe they'll,
maybe they'll throw their own E3 down the street.
I think they did that.
That's like the pettiest thing ever.
I still remember when Nvidia launched G-Sync,
AMD had their own event,
literally at the hotel down the street.
And they were like-
But did they even have FreeSync yet?
No.
They're just like, look, we got stuff.
They were just like, here, look at this graphics card.
And because everyone had traveled there on Nvidia's dime,
it was like, really kind of rude.
But then Nvidia was super petty about it.
Now I haven't verified this, so it might not be true,
but I heard other editors telling me
that Nvidia had someone outside the hotel watching
who was leaving to go to the AMD thing or not.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
You would think these are like adults.
I mean, I don't know.
It's fair enough.
AMD also like named their products,
like, you know, the X399 and stuff.
Yeah, Ryzen 3, 5, and 7.
And they might be naming their new GPUs.
Have you seen this?
The RX 3080.
Really?
And the RX 3070.
They might, they might.
That's the rumor.
But we don't know.
I hope not because they already created enough trouble
when they called Threadripper's chips at X399.
Because Intel's was X299.
But then X299 was stupid because they went from X58
to X, okay, so hold on, let's go way back.
You've got your X38, your X48, your X58.
So there's a bit of a pattern here.
X68, nowhere to be seen.
You got your X79.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
And then from there we went to X99.
Then we just arbitrarily went to X299.
Instead of like X119 or something.
So maybe Intel's plan is to go X499 and leapfrog AMD?
I don't know.
It's, they're children.
Everyone is children.
Yeah, it's dumb.
If there's anything I've learned in life,
it's that you're born, you go to elementary school,
and that's it.
And then it's just from there on, it's your, yeah.
You become a bigger fourth grader.
That's the amount of maturity that you reach.
And that's-
If you're Linus.
And that's the way I like it.
All right.
So tune in next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
I will be in Taiwan,
so I don't know who's gonna be hosting it,
but it'll be someone cool.
Maybe Riley, cause he's not going.
Wancho?
Yeah, Wancho.
Oh yeah, maybe.
See you guys.
See you later.
And you gotta make sure that you hit the right button.
Yeah, yeah.
When you end it?
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, I already changed the default behavior.
Wait, no, no, no.
On, in this one.
In this one.
I pressed-
Oh no, I know how to do that.
Yeah, well that's what I did wrong last time.
That's a non-issue.
Yeah, see I'm you in this.
I dropped the couch first.
Yeah, there was another problem last time actually.
It was that-
Oh, the sponsors were-
No, no, not that.
There was another more different problem.
It was actually that this button,
make archive unlisted when complete,
was checked by default for a while.
So that's-