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I'm gonna scooch over a little bit.
I don't think we ever actually got Brandon
to fix the framing here, so if you wanna just kinda
scooch in a little bit, you can see that we're a little bit
off at the moment.
So we have some great topics for you today, guys.
The first up is does the NSA have ties with Bitcoin?
Is that a thing?
I'll let that percolate for a moment.
I was gonna say, I expected you to flow to the next topic.
No, come on, that's a huge topic.
That's hugely important. I know, I agree.
That's why I spent a bunch of time looking at it.
Next one, and this probably doesn't deserve to be
a headline, but we thought it was pretty funny.
If there's anyone from Samsung watching, guys,
we actually could help you with this in all likelihood,
like make better commercials.
Way better.
Because, man, they have made some bad commercials
in the last year or so.
Their new Galaxy Gear went, oh, this isn't a Gear.
This is a smartwatch that doesn't suck.
Oh, sorry.
Whoa, shots fired.
Anyway, sorry.
So Samsung, we're gonna talk about
our latest commercial.
We have our special guest, Soldier Knows Best,
AKA Mark Watson, or probably the other way around.
Mark Watson, AKA Soldier Knows Best.
I don't think his parents named him Soldier Knows Best.
That would be epic.
That would be awesome.
That should be the new thing.
Instead of like tomato and buttercup,
it should be like Soldier Knows Best.
Yeah, we could start a trend.
We could see if we could, like,
you know how people want trending topics on Twitter?
They want their topic to trend.
Oh my god, your kid's name could be like hashtag.
Trending names.
The charts for most popular names.
We have to do that.
That would be amazing.
Okay, we also have Riot Games
is restricting League of Legends players
to what games they can play while they're streaming.
And you can buy an artificial heart in certain countries
for around 200,000 American dollars.
Around 200,000 American dollars?
Well, I'm just gonna buy, like, seven of them just in case.
Well, I know it.
Are we what?
Are we not live?
We're theoretically broadcasting right now.
That's sort of.
Is this on?
And people are like, it's not there, it's not there.
404.
GG.
GG.
That was a pretty good intro, too.
Thanks, Razorcombs.
Apparently Whiskers just started playing Mass Effect 3.
You can leave now.
Apparently we're on now, what?
There's no video.
Oh, we're good?
We're up.
We're up.
So is that 60 second delay now?
Wow, is it like, what, four minutes now?
All right.
It's just like slowly progressively getting worse.
Awesome.
Because fan interaction wasn't hard enough
with a 60 second delay, they just had to make it even bigger.
Yeah, we should just have like a six minute delay.
Just so we can ask a question and then do an entire topic
and then get the answers to your question.
Yeah, in Twitch chat, no less, which is,
no, I mean, Twitter will actually be faster,
except no, because there'll be delay there, too.
Anyway, you have another topic, I'm sure.
Okay, so I don't even know where people are at,
but actually, no, I didn't.
No, you didn't, that was it.
Intro time, boom!
Is it gonna work?
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So.
So some people just finished the intro
when you started, when you started finishing
your little sentence there.
Some people had loaded, like I loaded the intro
when the intro was done.
Cool.
So there's just like random, I don't think it's 60 seconds,
it's like 10, 30, 60, four minutes, I don't know.
I don't know.
You're wherever the heck you are at and that's about it.
Speaking of places that you can be at,
you can be at a brand new heart.
Is that a place?
Okay, that was probably stretching a little bit
for a transition there.
But at any rate, we're gonna head over to Linus's screen
where we're going to show everyone
Linus's personal information.
Oh, no, wait, no, there's none of that here today.
Okay, not too bad.
So this was posted on the forum
by our special member, iamjizd.
I am jizd.
Anyway, okay.
The original article is from The Verge.
We're gonna pop back over to my screen here.
So this, my friends, is an artificial heart.
This is being produced by Carmat,
or I guess it would be Carmat because it's a French company
and it has been successfully transplanted
into a human being for the first time.
So there are actually several countries
where you could, I guess, qualify,
right now it's still very much in experimental stages,
but you could actually qualify
to receive one of these hearts.
So you have to qualify to receive one of them.
Well, right now it's in trial,
so it's only for people who are at the end stage
of heart failure and they're gonna die anyway.
I've always wondered about that
with certain medications and stuff
where they're like, no, we won't let people take it.
And the person's like, I'm gonna die in a day.
Yeah, no, that doesn't always apply,
but luckily it does in this situation.
Yeah, so there are some challenges though.
So of course the cost of $200,000
will be a bit of a challenge.
Yay, Canada, hopefully that gets covered by MSP.
I hope.
Watch them just be like, nope,
we're just not gonna do this at all.
No, you can have like the knockoff heart
that rather than including cow tissue is just a cow heart.
It's like, but it doesn't fit in my chest cavity,
what am I gonna do?
Nope, they just build like a little bridge around it.
That would be awesome, Iron Man style.
You could have one huge peck, just like so.
Yeah, and it should have like a glowing light on it,
Iron Man style, that would be amazing.
I'd be so down.
That would be kind of awesome.
Kind of like a super overly powerful heart
that glue all the time.
So anyway, speaking of being overly powerful,
it actually only lasts for five years,
which isn't to say that it would definitely
not last longer than that,
it's just to say that that's as long
as it is guaranteed to last.
So $200,000 every five years amounts to,
I can't do math, I'm sorry,
for $35,000 a year or something along those lines.
Somewhere around there.
Somewhere around that range, $40,000 a year.
I think the idea is more you get one
and then hopefully you get through the queue
to get a real heart.
And there's an interesting thought,
you brought this up earlier.
So could we be looking at a future
where we're not necessarily turning people
into the million dollar man every other day
and replacing all of their organs with fake stuff,
but as things start to fail,
could you use an artificial one for a little while
until a donor comes up?
Like could we use this to keep people alive
and then pass it along to the next one?
So I was thinking even the most volatile parts in this,
obviously I haven't done like an engineer's analysis,
but from just reading about it,
I would assume would be the valves and stuff
that are made out of the tissue
from the stack of the cow heart.
So what I was thinking is if you take it out,
like if the person doesn't need it anymore
and they get a real heart,
the next person down in line could take it,
they replace the-
Refurb, refurb heart.
They refurb the parts that are used up,
like the cow tissue parts
and then put it in the next person.
It's just like, I don't know if it saves someone's life,
like it's kind of gross, but if it saves someone's life,
that's cool, like I don't know, I'm down.
Unless it saved Hitler's life.
And then that's not, he's dead.
Unless that movie.
All right, you know what?
We were gonna do this topic later,
but I think we're gonna have to get into this now.
I'm so down.
I think it's stupid.
I think it's amazing.
I'm probably gonna back it.
It might be amazing, but it's also phenomenally stupid.
So I'm gonna go ahead and fire this up here, guys.
Sometimes stupid is what we need.
Hopefully my volume is correct here, guys.
Sorry, I'm gonna screen share with you for a minute.
This might take me just a moment to set up.
That was from a different stream,
so we're gonna go ahead and move that.
No, no, I know it's not working right now, just hold on.
Okay, this one, there we go.
Hold on, yeah, no, everything's good.
Bloop.
All right, here we go, guys.
Kung Fury.
It's about a two-minute-long trailer.
We might just skip through it a little bit here.
Actually, I think we can probably
just look at the opening scene.
That might be all we need to know.
All units, we have an ongoing shoot
at a 24th and North West Street.
I'm on it.
Kung Fu Renegade College.
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
So, this is on Kickstarter, and I mean,
if Far Cry Blood Dragon was parody,
this is just mockery, I guess,
but they seem to be taking it the right direction,
the right amount of serious.
I'll give them that.
So, they wanna make this.
They're asking for 200,000,
which is actually really not that much.
By now, they might've even made it.
Yep, they made it.
They actually made it sometime between
when we were preparing our document for today.
When I checked earlier, they needed $7,000 more.
Now they're over by, yeah.
28 days to go.
Actually, okay, so I didn't actually show you guys
the part of the trailer that will make my joke make sense.
So, that was where the, yeah, there we go.
The evil nemesis.
He goes back in time.
Adolf Hitler, AKA Kung Fu Rec.
Hitler.
I love the hacker, too.
This is the kind of movie where you'd probably just kind of,
I think it'd be hard to sit and watch by yourself.
Yeah.
But if you have a bunch of goofy friends,
and you're all hanging around, having fun,
and doing whatever it is that we do, buying closed doors,
then it'd be the kind of thing that I think
would be pretty fun to watch together.
But not probably the kind of thing
that I'd sit down with my wife and watch.
No, probably not.
Different movies.
Unless your wife is goofy and likes that kind of stuff.
Really not.
No, I know.
Actually, I tweeted something the other day
that was pretty funny.
It was something like,
me, why don't you think my jokes are funny?
You used to think my jokes were funny.
And she's like, no, I didn't.
I mean, humor was really not the way that I won her over,
but I thought, I think she's pretty funny.
I had someone on Twitter get very concerned
about my wife not appreciating my humor,
but I think that particular viewer
can rest assured that our relationship
can handle a little bit of back and forth, playful banter.
And I was gonna say,
and you both have your own sense of humor and it works.
Yeah, I had just finished taking a shot at her
for being a little bit on the bigger side,
so you know how it is.
She's not.
Yeah, she's not, so.
And I'm hilarious and she was making a joke
about me not being funny, so I guess.
Yeah.
All right, so you know what?
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say
about the whole hearts thing.
How would you feel about a secondhand heart?
Hit us up on Twitter and we'll have a look
at what you guys think about that.
Because, okay, would it be any worse
than getting a literal secondhand heart?
Because otherwise, the dude died
and you took his organ.
Now it's the dude luckily didn't die
and you get to utilize something
that he no longer has to utilize.
Well now, hold on just a minute.
Let's talk meantime between failure, okay?
Because the human heart will have an MTBF of whatever,
let's say 70 years, who cares?
Okay, so we'll just come up with another 80 years, whatever.
Sure, whatever.
Okay, before that will fail,
depending on, your mileage may vary, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Depending on how, you know.
There's a pretty big variance there.
Used it is, you know?
Did they drop that hard drive?
Did they put a pickaxe through that monitor?
They put a pickaxe, dude.
Did they, you know, what could you, you know,
did they like eat Big Macs, you know,
from the day they found out they were gonna die?
Yeah, just like shove, shove like fat
through their water cooling.
Yeah, like just put that in the IV.
Like how abused was this heart?
So, okay, that versus the artificial one,
which is like rated for five years of operation.
So do you want a used heart
that would have potentially lasted longer
but you don't know how long it had, really?
Or would you want like a new one
but that's used a bit, but that's refurbed?
I'm thinking, I don't know, to be completely honest.
I don't know.
Just let them tell us.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, let's hear, hold that thought.
Yeah.
Okay, so once they're done,
you can say what sort of your take on this is.
Sure, sure.
So let's go ahead and move into our next topic here,
which is R9290Xs with aftermarket coolers
are showing up on Neweggs.
So let's go ahead and pop this open here.
This was posted by Nathan Tech on the forum.
And actually, oh, sorry.
Just give me one moment here, guys.
Bloop.
All right, posted by.
One moment, please.
One moment, please.
Technical difficulties.
Imagine, what, on this show?
Never.
Never, never, not today.
Not today.
But this is not this day.
There will come a time when the courage
of Linus Tech Tips fails.
Anyway, so it's a Gigabyte Winforce card.
If it's anything like other Winforce cards
we've seen in the past,
it probably uses a non-reference cooler,
but a reference PCB,
but they have cleverly concealed
the back of the card from us.
So we actually aren't 100% sure exactly what this is,
but I'd be surprised if it is a non-reference PCB.
Gigabyte hasn't really done too much of that
over the last little while, but.
Which is nice and not nice,
because you can easily water-cool it and stuff.
Wait a minute.
This is an R9 290.
What are they talking about?
They said 290X in the thread.
All right, Nathan Tech, you're in trouble.
Well, I don't, what is this X?
Does this mean not X to Nathan?
All right, well, whatever.
It's an R9 290.
You know, I'm less excited about this than I was
back when R9 290 launched.
Do you want to sort of talk about the methodology?
I think the most important thing,
we just did an overclocked test, okay?
So we took our GTX 780 and our R9 290
and overclocked them both as high as we could
on their stock reference coolers.
Then we took those same two cards,
liquid cooled them
with the same custom liquid cooling solution
and overclocked them as high as we could
and saw what kind of results we got.
And I'd like to take a moment to clarify
the way that we overclock,
because there are a lot of overclocking results
out there for these cards
that just aren't the way that we overclock cards.
So we'll have people say,
oh, well, you guys were like 100 megahertz lower
than you should be on that card.
Well, you know what?
We run into a lot of situations
where there's one or two or three or four or five games
that all run just fine at a particular overclock,
but then the one game that crashes
can't handle anywhere near that speed for whatever reason.
Maybe it's drawing more power.
Maybe it's, we don't know.
A lot of the time it seems to be a total mystery.
But the point is,
is we believe an overclock is not stable
unless it's stable.
Always stable.
Always stable.
So talk a little bit about the methodology
and why a non-reference 290
or at least a non-reference cooler
might not be that exciting right now.
So one thing is that we set all of our overclocks
at 1600 P as well.
So even if I'm running the benchmarks at 1080 P
and you see all the 1080 P benchmarks,
those overclocks were set at 1600 P.
Stable's not stable.
Unless it's stable at all resolutions in all games.
So even if I'm scaling down, the overclock stays.
And I would traditionally be able to get that overclock
higher because it's easier for it to run 1080 P,
but I don't because it wouldn't be always stable.
And I try it in all the hardest possible games to run.
A synthetic benchmark is usually easier to run
and I've found and will cause less crashing
than a game will.
Yeah, anyone who validates an overclock for a review
with a synthetic benchmark,
take that with a big grain of salt
because we've found, I mean, okay.
Back when I was flashing GTX 265s, were they?
The golden edition ones from MSI, yeah.
You could flash those to a 270 or something like that.
And initially I had been validating them with Firmwark
to make sure that they were stable with the new BIOS.
And then I discovered at the time
that that was a flawed methodology
and you had to actually use games in order to validate them.
That made the process take a lot longer,
but then I had committed to do it.
So we've, yeah, we've found quite a few times
that even one game will throw it off kilter
or it won't even necessarily crash,
but you'll start seeing errors, like very noticeable errors.
And it's like, okay, I need to tone this down
and I'll pull it back a little bit and wait until it,
I actually see it be completely stable
for the entire run through
with a whole bunch of idle time beforehand.
Cause I let the card heat up completely
and then I run the benchmark to make sure
that if you were gaming for a long period of time,
it's not just going to randomly shut off on you.
Yeah, I think that's all I had to really explain for them.
I was trying to ban someone just now
and I had some difficulty.
I might've clicked the wrong person there.
If you go find, the best way to do it
is copy and paste their name or just read their name
and then type slash ban space their name.
So then you don't click the wrong one
cause there's no pause button for the chat.
So it's impossible to use the actual buttons
to moderate people because-
Got it.
Ah, I'll show you impossible.
Actual ban is the right one.
Yeah, I know.
I know ban is the left one.
Yeah, I'd ban some guy who kept taking some annoying,
at least I tried.
Boom, got him.
All right.
Okay, so here we go guys.
So what we found with the 290
is that while it hits that certain temperature,
there is more overclocking headroom,
but when you remove the thermal limit,
what you actually run into very quickly
is it doesn't have enough power.
I can't shove enough power at it
to get it that much faster.
So what I'm excited for is some type of aftermarket PCB,
which is gonna have some type of custom power
so that I can get that thermal limit down
with the aftermarket cooler,
which should get it away from that 95 degrees
and then actually have custom power
to ramp it up even more.
Yeah, so we're maybe not that excited about wind force,
but we're pretty excited about maybe something
like a direct CU2 card from Asus.
Yeah, that's actually the one I'm really excited for
because usually those will have custom power.
All right, so we're gonna have our guest segment
pretty soon, but let's take a little while here
to go through some of your tweets about used hearts.
So just as a reminder, guys,
if your tweet does not actually include anything
about used hearts,
then we won't be addressing it at this time.
What's the point with crashing kernel drivers?
See, that is not related to hearts.
Sounds like a great idea,
but could there be incompatibilities
with different heart sizes?
I think heart sizes are similar for the most part.
Are they not?
Yeah, but a little kid isn't gonna be the same size.
But I'm sure they'll have the small model.
Okay.
I don't think that's gonna be a huge deal, to be honest.
All right, someone says,
I want to go full cyborg.
That's from the Supajinge.
And then on the other side of that argument
is mind flow the rid, farid?
Okay, Mike says,
Guys, the human body rejects upgrades,
so you could be subjecting that person
to a life with fists full of pills daily.
No reusing.
Well, okay, but hold on a second.
Why not reusing?
Because you could-
I don't get the reusing part.
Yeah, I mean-
The first part's like,
okay, but you're only doing fists full of pills
until you jump out of the queue
and don't have to use the artificial heart anymore,
and you can use the real one,
because that's, I think, more the point.
So would Maximilian figures would prefer a heart
that is designed by nature to do the job,
provided that the condition is good?
But-
See that?
Would take a refurb one.
I get that.
I don't care as long as I can live.
Really like the artificial heart idea.
If it keeps you alive,
it's probably a good robo heart,
and I will get the iPhone app.
Thank you, Luke Cowden.
You'd be able to track it really easy, bro.
If an artificial heart would keep me going long enough
to get a new heart, I would go for it.
So not necessarily wanting to run
an artificial heart forever,
but if it can keep you in the game long enough
to get a better chance, then-
Ha, this is great in Twitch chat.
Who is this?
Sir Lockjaw says,
never go full cyborg, lol, or XD, whatever.
I foresee a wild dystopian blood dragon future
where mercenary hitmen will go around
harvesting cyborg hearts for profit.
That is actually crazy, but not that crazy.
I mean, if you, okay.
You think about it this way.
If you're willing to pull a knife on someone
for their phone, which might be a few hundred bucks,
are you willing to gut them for 200 grand?
And like, if it's all metal,
if you just walk around with like a really powerful magnet
and just like threw it at people,
and then if it bounced off,
we're like, oh, oh, sorry, pick it up.
Then if it sticks, you're just like, shank.
So that's interesting.
I could see it happening.
And especially with, what was it?
Like, I don't know how necessarily true this is,
but I was talking to my grandpa
and apparently I don't want to bring this up again,
but apparently the Microsoft smart bras are a big thing
in his outlying community to the point where they sold out
and they're like, how are we going to get more?
Because he lives in an old folks community,
so they want to keep track of their heart rate.
So it's actually a thing and they totally sold out,
but apparently some dude found a way to utilize something
in the smart bra to GPS track people,
which is like, I don't know, I don't know.
This is just my grandpa read it in his local newspaper.
So I haven't looked up any additional information.
This was not planned for this document.
Take it with a grain of salt.
But if you could like GPS track people
with artificial hearts,
right, straight up hunt people
for their artificial hearts.
And there's already, I mean,
there's already black market organs, this is a thing.
Yeah.
And if something is artificial
and not actually made of tissue,
it doesn't die at the same speed that a real organ would.
There's the cow tissue.
Yeah, but you could refurb it with new cow tissue.
I'm assuming if you're stealing hearts from people,
you had some kind of a plan for what to do with it.
And you know what, you know,
a dirty doctor somewhere that could help you with that.
I mean, that's.
That's crazy.
Woo.
Anyway.
I wonder what that'll do.
And like, that's all tinfoil hatty stuff.
Who knows?
Yeah, but the problem is that the tinfoil hat guys
have been right so many times lately.
I mean, what are we supposed to say at this point?
Speaking of tinfoil hat.
I just don't necessarily want to fear monger,
but it is possible.
Oh, actually, not speaking of tinfoil hats just yet.
We have our guest segment, hopefully.
I don't think I've seen Mark in the TeamSpeak yet.
I could maybe fire an email over to him or so.
Let's go ahead.
Maybe I'll just see if he's on Hangouts.
He definitely got the email with the TeamSpeak info because.
Yeah.
No, no, I saw him in the dog,
so he's definitely been having a look.
Hey, you were Ram.
So hopefully we can have him join us pretty soon here.
In the meantime, do you want to do a quick fire topic?
Do you want me to jump into the next one
or do a quick fire one?
Yeah, let's do a quick fire one.
Let's see if we get in touch with them right away.
All right, let me scroll down real quick.
So this, if I can find it real quick here.
So the Google versus Apple media mentions.
Do you want to bring that up at some point?
There's just, Google has been talked about the most
in 2013, which is honestly not that surprising
because I find that Google has made a lot more splashes
and I think things that Google didn't even necessarily do
brought them into the news a lot more than Apple.
Things like CyanogenMod and things like Samsung trying,
Samsung and Intel trying to move themselves away
from Android and a lot of that kind of stuff
actually made a lot of talk about Google
where Apple's just kind of their own little ecosystem
sitting there.
So I think it's, Google was talked about a lot
and then things to do, like other people trying to do things
with Google products was talked about way more
than it has been before.
And that created this giant media bubble around Google.
Oh, sorry, I'm sending emails, oh that's inconvenient.
And ever since Steve Jobs passed away,
honestly, Apple's been relatively complacent
with their big thing where they released the information
about their garbage can computer
and the Apple iPad Air, I believe it's called.
Oh my God.
Did you not CC him?
How did he get there?
I don't know.
I don't know how he got that if I didn't send it to him.
That's kind of hilarious.
Please use reply all.
I thought I did.
Apparently only clicked replies.
Let's let him know his best didn't get the teaspoon info.
Jeez.
Anyways, gonna continue talking about this.
Yeah, the iPad Air and iPhone 5S and the trash can computer,
the iPhone Air and iPhone 5S got a lot of talk about it,
but the trash can computer, while it got a lot of talk,
wasn't super consumer and so there wasn't tons of people
talking about it and the iPad Air is just kind of like
a slight upgrade and the iPhone 5S had a few things,
but they weren't super interesting.
So they didn't release any giant hype machines this year.
Well, I mean, it was the usual hype,
but honestly, there was a lot of stuff that they did do
that I thought was really cool.
I mean, including their productivity software
with their OS, I thought was a huge deal
and upgrading people to OS X Mavericks for nothing,
basically anyone who already owns an Apple OS
on a PC they purchased in like the last,
I think it was like three to five years
or something like that, was gonna get a free upgrade
to the latest OS.
I mean, that is game changing and revolutionary,
but I guess they're not exactly the first to do it.
But they're the first to do it with something
that I'd really consider to be a professional grade thing.
You could make the argument that Android
has now reached the point where it's a viable OS,
but at the beginning it was free
because you couldn't give it away.
And you look at something like Google Docs or Drive,
whatever they call it now,
you look at Google Docs the same way,
it's like, yeah, it's free, it doesn't friggin' do anything.
You know, yeah, I'll continue using Excel and Word
and all those applications that are truly more powerful,
whereas Apple's releasing their full software suites
for nothing to anyone who buys the OS.
But that's not, it's not Google Glass.
It's not the future.
So I guess there's just less buzz around it.
Seriously, it's killing me here, man.
Going on Twitter, just sent you an email.
I have no idea how, oh, we probably found the Doc
from just the share, when you shared him on it.
So at least you managed to do that.
I'm gonna share people through this now.
Okay.
Because Google automatically goes,
oh, someone in this email isn't shared on the Doc.
So I actually have no idea how that worked.
But either way, it's working now.
It's working now, oh good.
I can jump into a.
He says, hey, what's up, just got your email.
Yeah, our bad.
You can join us at any time.
Just let me know when you're ready.
All right, so why don't we move into our next topic then,
which is going to be along the lines
of tinfoil hats, actually.
I would like to, because we were talking
about tinfoil hats just briefly before.
This is a huge topic.
This is a huge topic.
Well, I think he's gonna need a while.
So here we go.
All right, we can always pick up where we left off.
So this right here was posted by 99VW on the forum,
and the original article is from Rooter.
So I'm gonna let you handle most of this one.
But basically, the NSA arranged, allegedly, okay, whatever.
The NSA arranged a secret $10 million contract
with RSA, one of the most influential firms
in the computer security industry, to build in a back door.
Interesting.
So it mainly affected one of their products.
If I can get the name here real quick.
I can't remember the exact name of it,
but it was one of their products specifically,
and they sent out a bulletin after they got called out
for this, after they got called out for this,
they sent out a bulletin telling all the companies
to stop using it, because they're like,
oh yeah, it's got NSA stuff.
But only after they were called out,
they knew the whole time.
They were paid off the whole time,
but they freaked out when they were discovered.
It's interesting how this is working,
because it's constantly just like,
oh yeah, we figured out everything the NSA has done.
Oh wait, here's a whole bunch more stuff.
Constantly, that hasn't stopped for a really long time.
So it's mainly like passcodes to gain access
to different networks and stuff like that,
like security keys that were broken.
But it brings up the question like,
if you're a company that were using these things actively,
and then just got informed that this was going on,
how pissed are you?
Like this 10 million dollars passed by the NSA,
like is there gonna be giant lawsuits about this?
I would be pissed.
Apparently he doesn't have any additional insight.
But.
Yeah, I'm not an encryption expert
by any stretch of the imagination, but.
Basically, yeah, it's just never ending at this point.
And if, the bad part is too,
is that they were warned and it was brought up
that they were using a methodology
that was like easy to predict if you knew what it was,
and people knew it was from the government.
So people were like, hey, why are you using this?
And they just kind of ignored it the whole time.
So they definitely knew, and they were paid off,
so they definitely knew,
and it wasn't just like just executives that knew,
it was known by other people as well.
So it's kind of ugly.
And when I saw this, I decided to start looking through
like, okay, I knew the NSA was behind some encryption stuff
because I've watched a few different things on Numberphile
and a few different other YouTube channels
that have talked about how they make these
like random number generator engines
and how the NSA is behind a whole bunch of them.
And so I did a little bit more research
and found something that a few other people have found too,
which is that the NSA is behind SHA.
And SHA is used for my TrueCrypt containers,
which I use personally, and I decided to go,
okay, well, what else is used as SHA?
And something else that uses SHA is Bitcoin,
which is really interesting.
So tinfoil hats again.
This is from motherboard.vice.com, blog right here.
Is Bitcoin a government conspiracy?
You know, it's one of those things where six months ago,
I'd have been like, no, what are you an idiot?
And then now, you don't even know anymore.
So remember guys that Bitcoin's sort of founder,
we don't know if this is actually an individual.
We don't know if it's a group of people.
We know that the suspicion is that this person
or people own something to the tune of 1 million Bitcoins,
which would be worth, you know, over a billion dollars
or less than that to become a valuation.
Wherever it's sitting right now, who knows.
Wherever Bitcoin's at at the moment,
we do know that they own a lot of it.
We do know that they were involved in the creation of it.
And we do know that we don't know who this person
or people is or are.
And that the NSA is behind their main encryption algorithm
and that encryption algorithm covers there,
if I can find it in here somewhere,
their proof of work, where is it?
Bitcoin proof of work encryption for the blockchain.
So like as you're calculating things,
all of that encryption, the backend is done by the NSA.
Interesting, I don't know.
And previously, it's somewhere in this Vice document,
but previously it was spoken that the NSA was talking
about cryptocurrencies and online decentralized currencies
before Bitcoin came around.
And their investment part of the NSA started moving
in those directions before Bitcoin even came around.
And then randomly Bitcoin props up
and it's like backed by SHA and blah, blah, blah.
It's just kinda, yeah.
I'm curious how much Bitcoin is worth right now.
No Gox.
Yep, if I could type on this keyboard,
then that would be, then that would work.
I was like, what are you going to?
I've managed to take Gox.
Yeah, I saw it.
So, last trade was 765.
So, okay, the 1 million Bitcoins wouldn't be worth
a billion, it'd be worth around 765 million right now.
So still incredible, still a lot of money,
but all right, so I don't think I see Mark
in TeamSpeak yet, so maybe he's coming soon.
We can also cover this one right here, China Mobile.
Ah yes, China Mobile has finally made a deal with Apple.
So this has huge implications.
Oh, here he is.
Oh, there he is.
Actually, okay, well we might as well just drag him
right in there.
The user was moved to your channel.
I probably have to go like this.
Hey Mark, are you here?
Oh, oh, oh, it's not here, is it?
Nope.
All right.
But that's here.
But what's here?
I don't know.
Oh, really?
Okay, sure, go for it.
Hey Mark, are you here?
Yeah, oh, are neither of us wearing a headset
that's actually connected to that?
All right, let's try that one more time.
Mark, are you here?
All right, well, do you want to jump into the next topic?
Sure, I'll jump into the next topic.
This is what happens when we don't get the test call
done ahead of time.
I love this.
All right, maybe if someone would reply all on emails
that we don't have this problem.
All right, let's do a very brief topic here.
The Internet Archive adds 70s and 80s games
to, well, the internet.
One of the big problems with emulation,
so for those of you who don't know what emulation is,
I'm sure most of you do, but that's.
Hey, wake up.
That's faking the hardware of an older gaming system,
for example, and then running it on a PC.
So we can emulate systems like the Super Nintendo,
older systems from Atari,
but the legality of emulation is very much a gray area.
So for example, Nintendo might have a property
that they haven't, let's say, blades of steel.
I don't know if blades of steel is on the Wii store
or whatever else, but okay,
they might have an ancient property for NES
that you can't buy, so unless you buy it used,
which they're not making any money on,
you actually can't obtain it.
You can't buy NES hardware from them.
You can't buy the game from them,
so basically they're just saying, no, you can't play it.
Too bad, but it's illegal to run an emulator
to use a PC as your NES
and then get a ROM of the game and load that and play it
because I guess they're licensing so they can say,
well, no, you're not allowed to do that,
even though they don't make any money either way.
So it looks like some of these older game console makers
have gotten past that little hurdle
and decided to just allow their games
to exist on the internet.
So quite a few older games,
including things like Donkey Kong as well as,
okay, apparently we're ready to go on that.
So Donkey Kong as well as Pac-Man, Frogger
are just going to be available.
So the five consoles that are supported right now
are the Atari 2600, Coleco Vision, Magnavox Odyssey,
Philips VideoPak G7000, that's also the Magnavox Odyssey,
the Astrocade and the Atari 7800, which is really cool.
I mean, I think this is a huge step forward in,
what is that sound?
It's this keyboard.
Okay, I think that's a huge step forward
in the maturity of these game developers
or these license holders where it's just like,
okay, well look, we're not making money on this
in any way now, we might as well make it available online,
make it ad supported, make it donation supported,
do something, but let people play the games
if they really want to.
This ties into something we'll talk about later actually,
which is like the, should you have your kids
play older video games topic,
but we'll talk about that later.
All right, so big welcome to our guest
with whom we have a bit of a miscommunication there.
Hi, Mark.
Hey, what's up, guys?
Hey, we're pretty good.
I think you got a little bit of reverb going on there.
I hope that's a setting on our side, but I'm not 100% sure.
That's probably me, I always have an echo here.
I'm in the loft right now, so it kinda sucks.
Can't really hear my videos too much
if you're not using headphones, though.
You know what, I was watching one of your videos
the other day and I actually was,
I did happen to be wearing headphones
and it sounded a little bit funny to me,
so I guess that's just the unfortunate cross to bear
of living in, hopefully it's like a super sexy cool loft.
Damn right it is, the ladies' loft.
There we go, there we go.
That loft is probably in that video,
the Kung Fu video that was earlier, yeah.
All right, so Mark, for those of our viewers
who don't know who you are,
of which there may be three or four,
why don't you introduce yourself
and tell them a little bit about what you've been doing.
I mean, you've been on YouTube about as long as I have,
so you're basically a veteran at this point.
Tell us about yourself.
Well, you know, basically I've been doing YouTube videos
since like 2007 and I started off just looking at the iPhone,
the very first iPhone, and went on YouTube,
checking to see if I can, oh, can y'all hear that?
Oh yeah, yeah, we can hear you.
That's good, okay.
And so yeah, my first video was just, you know,
covering the first generation iPhone,
then I just went from there.
So I started as a hobby like most people did
and now I'm able to do a full-time job with it,
and so I'm not complaining, being able to work from home,
to be able to do this is awesome,
but yeah, just being a tech YouTuber is just a good thing,
as you probably know.
So tell me about how you've evolved over the last,
I guess that's about almost six years now.
Thanks.
Well, I would say that, you know, it starts off,
you know, when I started off,
I knew nothing about video editing,
I knew nothing about anything at all,
but tech I just do that I like to talk about it
for the most part.
And so just the aspect of just making videos,
I was brand new to it and just had to learn on my own.
And so, you know, of course, you know,
over all the years, all us YouTubers,
we get better and better as we learn from other people
and we share things with other tech YouTubers.
And just for me, it's really just trying to keep at it
and stay active.
And you're gonna try to evolve your channel
and evolve your videos,
but also try to make them still feel familiar
to your viewers.
So that's kind of been the slight chance to do that.
But you know, it's something that every day
you just try to get better
and every day you find out something new.
So tell me something,
when you started off seven years ago,
and you're basically like webcaming it,
because that's what we were all doing at that point.
I mean, the expectation, I think,
I feel like was quite low in terms of production values,
in terms of the professionalism of the content.
Do you think that the barrier of entry for new YouTubers
has become much higher
and that is much more difficult
to break into it these days?
Yes, I would say that, you know,
because I think the word is out right now.
And, you know, back when we started,
I know when I started,
I didn't know you could make any money on YouTube.
But, you know, as you start to do it
and that's caused us to really start doing it
because it's a hobby,
because we really love to do it.
I think now some people are in it just for the money
and the people who really just are in it
for the love of it,
they kind of can get overshadowed by those people
who are really trying to make money
and get a lot of views.
So yeah, I think now it's a little bit harder,
but I still see new people every day come up on YouTube.
There's a lot of young kids that were just,
you know, very young kids when I started
and now they're semi-adults
and, you know, doing their own thing.
It's always an opportunity for somebody to jump in here.
You know, that's actually,
that's an interesting take on it.
I mean, one of the things that I usually say
to people who ask me, you know,
how do I become a YouTuber is,
unless you're passionate enough about it
to do it for free
and to put your heart and soul into it for nothing,
don't even bother,
because you're not going to make it.
I mean, people, I think, treat our jobs like,
you know, like it's easy.
You get all the latest tech for free
and then you just like play with it and make a video.
Well, that's the easiest job in the world.
I think what they don't understand
is the sweat, blood, and tears
that goes into uploading content every single day
or every single week or whatever your upload schedule is
and how much of a toll that takes on you.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, I know when I first started,
I mean, and even now I still buy a lot of the content
and a lot of the products that I, you know, I review.
So it's always been an investment.
And, but that wasn't the point.
It was just the point of me really enjoying talking
to people and helping people out,
making a product decision.
And it's really the thing that you want to do in life.
I mean, we're kind of fortunate to be doing the job
that, you know, we love.
Some people have to do a job just because they need
that money, you know, and they have to kind of sell for it.
So if you're going to get into YouTube,
you need to make sure you get into something
that you really like to talk about,
because other than that,
you're going to run out of things to talk about.
And people will see that you're really not
that interested in it.
They can kind of see through that.
So yeah, but YouTube is hard.
I talk to my friends and family, they think I just,
well, I kind of do just sit in my underwear sometimes
and make videos, but they think that's it.
You know, a video takes five minutes to do.
And I'm like, no, it takes a little bit more work than that.
So that's always a conversation I have with my friends
and family, but they're starting to come around.
Yeah, I had a great conversation with someone
on badminton court of all places.
We were doing like kind of a mix up the partner's thing.
And this was someone I'd never played with before.
And she was like, oh, what do you do for work?
And I'm like, oh, I make YouTube videos.
She's like, she kind of waits a second.
She's like, oh, okay.
I mean, what do you do for a job?
And I'm like, I make YouTube videos.
And she's like, no, I mean, like,
when you're not making YouTube videos.
I'm like, no, I make YouTube videos, man.
Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah, so even people that I've told
I've been doing YouTube for a long time,
they still think this is like my main job.
They still think I'm doing military full time.
And they ask me, well, how are you doing the army
and doing YouTube videos?
I'm like, I'm just in the reserves now.
YouTube's my full time job.
You can make a living off of YouTube now.
All right, so speaking of making a living off of YouTube,
I'm assuming that you have big plans for CES,
which is coming up in a mere week.
What are you most excited about at the show?
And what are the chances we're gonna see you
wandering around on the show floor there?
I'm really excited to get the CES bug again.
I get sick every freaking year I go down there.
But no, I'm really excited for the CES
because I think this year's gonna be a good year.
I think every other year's really one of those years
where we really see a good amount of new products
that kind of, something that decides to say really big TV.
So I think this year the companies will be bringing it in.
Yeah, I'll be walking around the show floor.
I'll be there from Sunday until probably Thursday or Friday.
And of course, I'll be tweeting and stuff like that.
And I know Revision3 and Discovery will have a booth
somewhere in the show floor where if anybody
wants to come by and hang out and talk to me
or any other of the people on the network,
you're more than welcome to.
Oh, that's cool.
So are you gonna be spending a fair bit of time
in the Revision3 and Discovery area?
Yeah, I'll be there a lot.
But most of the day I'll be just roaming the show floor,
getting some footage and then probably going back
to that area to edit or back to my hotel room.
But yeah, I'll be back there a lot.
We'll be doing some live streaming
and other things like that.
Normally we're in the back, far right-hand corner
if you're coming in from the hallway in the auto area
that is like every year.
So we're normally in that back right-hand corner.
But I'll let people know for sure
on my Twitter or Facebook where we are.
Cool, that sounds fantastic.
So okay, it's funny that you mentioned
that there'll be big TVs because this will be,
I believe, my fifth CES now.
And I think I've been staring at 80-inch sort of 3D
or 4K TVs that none of which I can still buy
since I first started going.
I know, man, every year, see, I mean, they're beautiful.
Don't get me wrong, but they're out of the price range
of most people, but yeah, I'm on my way
to see something different besides a big TV.
Hopefully they can do something different.
I think you remember me talking
when we were walking on the show floor.
I was like, there's so many TVs
that I've never heard of or seen before
and they just never come out.
Remember at Computex, that huge booth
that was like as big as Intel's booth
and had like 3D TVs and all this stuff.
And I'm like, I have never heard of you.
I have never seen any of your products anywhere.
I Google you, and as far as I can tell,
you don't even exist.
What are you doing here?
Exactly, you know, everybody gotta get their shine somehow,
but yeah, I was in another CES last year.
I wasn't really wowed at the things
that were coming out of it,
but I had high hopes for this year.
Well, for every amazing product at CES,
like the first time I saw the AR drone at CES,
I was kinda blown away by it.
I was like. I love that damn thing.
I, look, I just took it out earlier today
when I got home from traveling.
I actually just took it out
because I got some friends coming up tomorrow
and we're gonna be fine, that thing on the rooftop,
so it's gonna be fine.
Nice, see. I love that thing.
That kinda thing is cool, that blows my mind,
but for every one of those, there's like one of these.
I don't know if you're gonna be able to see this
on the stream right now, but if you give it a minute,
this is called the Hipshot Dot,
and basically what it is is it's a suction cup
that sticks to the bottom of your TV bezel,
and then it has an adjustable length, like, wire thing
that you, so you stick what is essentially an LED
in the middle of your TV that shines onto the TV
and gives you a red dot sight
as if you're looking down the irons
or as if you're using a red dot sight
even when you're not zoomed in
to improve your accuracy in games,
and I look at this and I go, really, 29.99?
This is basically a cheat.
Yeah.
And you could replicate the effect
by putting a red piece of paper in the middle of your TV.
My favorite thing is on here, they're like,
oh yeah, it's the only thing like this
that's EMP proof, because in the game,
if an EMP bomb goes off, all your electronics turn off,
I'm like, yeah, because you're cheating.
Like, not because it makes sense,
only because you're cheating.
I mean, what do you do when people at booths like that
walk up to you and they want you to cover their product?
I mean, do you cover it,
or do you just kind of politely say,
no, I'm quite frankly, that isn't interesting,
and I'm sorry.
Did we lose him?
I don't think so.
Oh, my bad, my bad, here I am, here I am.
Yeah, I don't want to just kind of say
I'm kind of busy right now or something like that.
I don't like to give bad reviews,
so I just like the review products
that I'm really interested in,
and if it's something I'm not interested in,
I don't want to take the product from them
and not review it, you know, I just want to,
you know, I'll be back later.
Go to a meeting?
But wait, can we scan your badge?
Can we scan your badge?
No, you may not scan my badge.
No, no more emails.
Oh, God.
All right, so are you, uh?
All the CES emails.
All right, so this is pretty interesting.
Apple was apparently slapped with a $670,000 fine,
which really is a slap.
Not that much.
Not a, that's not exactly a barbell to the face
for a company like that,
but in Taiwan for interfering with carrier prices,
and I mean, you follow Apple probably a lot closer
than either of us do.
What's your take on Apple's strategy
outside of North America, and what is this?
What are they doing?
You know, I don't know.
I think Apple now, they know they can get away with it.
Like you said, I mean, that's a mosquito bite to Apple.
I'm pretty sure Tim Cook carries that
around his back pocket every day.
So I think it's gonna be, I don't, you know,
I don't agree with Apple's wonder for sure,
like most people don't.
I think it's something that is affecting the consumers
out there that's not fair, you know,
to everybody else out there in the market.
And I think Apple, in order to put them
to send a message to Apple,
they don't really have to hit them
with a bigger fine than that.
And to me, I don't understand why Apple needs to do this.
They don't need to do this.
They're not some small company trying to come up.
They, I know they're trying to break into new markets,
but they should be just fine.
They shouldn't have to do these type of tactics,
and when they get called out on it, you know,
they'll start to hopefully fill the ramifications for it.
I mean, it's funny that you say
that they need a bigger fine
in order to make them really notice, but I mean, okay.
The article on bgr.com, it's like,
well, they may be fined an additional 1.67 million.
We're still not talking about numbers
that they actually feel.
Or we'll care about it all.
Or we'll care.
I mean, you wanna hit them with millions and millions.
I mean, if you're gonna do something like that,
or some vans or something like that,
in order for Apple to get that message,
but I mean, I don't blame, if Apple has the money
and they just see, okay,
we're just gonna fine them a few hundred thousand dollars,
you can't really fault Apple
for continuing to do what they're gonna be doing
because that's nothing to them.
They're really about to hit them hard.
I mean, that's actually an interesting topic
for a Twitter blitz.
Guys, if you wanna hit us up at LinusTech on Twitter with,
tell me this, if something is illegal,
but not hurtful to anyone, it doesn't harm anyone else.
Let's say, for example, HOV Lane is a great example
of something that is, we're not talking drunk driving here.
We're not talking you can kill someone,
you're cheating the system
and you're getting somewhere a little bit faster.
It's like that person who goes to the express checkout
at the grocery store that says 10 items or less
and they clearly have 14 items.
It's not right, but it's not,
you're not stealing or killing or raping people.
It's not, I mean, it's a crime, but it's not.
So that kind of stuff, these sorts of soft crimes,
why don't we call it that?
Do you do the math?
So for something like the HOV Lane,
if it was, for example, a $20 ticket
and there was about a one in 30 chance,
let's say you did your commute every day
and once a month, they're there
and you save yourself X number of hours
and if you paid yourself $10 an hour
and you had to pay the fine once a month,
do you do that math and would you just keep doing it
or is that wrong?
We'd love to hear from you guys
and soldier in the meantime,
why don't you tell me your thought?
Is it okay for Apple to continue to do things
if they're just willing to, quote unquote,
pay their debt to society?
Because that's the theory,
is that once you've been caught doing this,
you may commence by contributing more money
for police officers to patrol and catch you
or whatever it is that they use that money for.
I think it's something that they should stop doing
just because it's the right thing to do.
I mean, you have enough money where this,
I don't see how much money by them doing this
is really gonna get into their pockets.
It's not gonna be worth the reputation
that's gonna be the reputation
that they're gonna take from this.
And then again, the common consumer
is not gonna recognize that they may not hear about this
on CNN or somewhere else like that.
Just us geeks will probably hear about it.
But I still think that,
I think there's a lot of good morally right people
over there at Apple that they should just say,
hey, we'll try to do this the right way,
let's stop doing this
and set an example for other companies at least.
We could hope for that.
I mean, the issue is that
you've got these companies that wanna play
their side of the law and then play the side of the law
that doesn't work that well for them.
So they wanna litigate against everyone
when it comes to something like patent infringement.
And then when it comes to competing fairly
and not price fixing,
then well, that law is not that important,
but the other law is.
So, yeah.
Just doing whatever benefits.
It's a corporation.
It's a person, but it's a person
that is allowed to screw around without any Chinese.
All right.
Now, again, you're more of a Mac guy
than anyone sitting in this room over here.
Tell me your thoughts on the Mac Pro,
the new Mac Pro, 2013 Mac Pro,
whatever people wanna call it.
Well, actually, I just got mine in.
I haven't taken it out of the box yet.
So it's kind of teasing me over here,
but I'm just rubbing it in my underwear.
But no.
Oh.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
But I think the Mac Pro is interesting
because I think it's a really nice machine.
It looks awesome.
But I don't think a lot of people have problems
with the original design of the Mac Pro,
at least with the customization you can do with it,
how easy it was to swap out parts.
And Apple kind of went the extra mile
to make this thing as small as possible.
And it kind of limits the power users
who now have to have a knowledge,
they're gonna drive stuff up via the lightning board,
or a lot of extra things now.
But I think that Apple, at least they finally updated it.
I think it is gonna be a powerful machine,
even though some people don't think it's that powerful.
And we will probably talk about that here in a second.
But I think it's a cool machine.
I think at least Apple, I'm just excited to see Apple
trying to finally make amends with the Pro market right now.
You know what?
That is a really interesting take on it
because if nothing else,
at least they're finally throwing a bone to the Pro users
who were using Final Cut and were using Mac Pros
and had actually invested in this platform
and then just got completely abandoned.
They stopped getting software updates.
They stopped getting hardware updates.
They were just getting ignored by Apple.
But my problem with it,
I think actually you hit the nail on the head
because people can talk all day
about how powerful or not powerful it is,
but it's not made of magic.
It's got an Intel CPU in it.
It's got AMD graphics cards in it.
It's got, you know, friggin' whatever,
Kingston RAM in it, who cares?
Samsung chips, whatever.
On paper, it's as fast as it is in real life.
It's the same thing.
It doesn't matter.
To me, the issue is the form factor here.
They created something designed for professionals
and for professional use and with an aesthetic
that I really feel will appeal to professionals
and a price tag for professionals,
but there was a major misstep here with the form factor.
And I don't know if you've seen that picture,
but if you Google Mac Pro 2012 versus Mac Pro 2013
in a Google image search,
you find this hilarious image of a 2012 Mac Pro
with a bunch of upgrades, including a DVD burner,
four hard drives, a Blu-ray writer,
an audio interface card, a video capture device,
and a fiber channel thing,
and what that would look like if you ran it
on the 2013 Mac Pro with power cables
and Thunderbolt daisy chains all over the place.
I mean, to me, is someone who appreciates the aesthetic
of this six-inch by however tall it is, I forget,
18-inch, 12-inch, whatever it is,
is someone who appreciates that aesthetic
that you're gonna want 24 daisy chain Thunderbolt cables
with power cords for each of those individual devices
coming out of that machine?
Right, I think most won't, and that's the thing.
Apple, they're innovative.
I mean, they make cool machines.
The fact they can get into something this small is amazing,
but I think at the end of the day,
when all the hype calms down,
yeah, I think people are gonna be like,
oh, I kinda miss the form factor of the old Mac Pro.
I really wish they'd probably just slimmed that down
a little bit and still gave me those same options
to pull off that back cover or that side cover
and really get inside of it.
So yeah, this picture's hilarious.
When I first saw it, I mean, I was roping,
but it's the truth.
So I think, again, just like they're doing
with iMovie and Final Cut,
they're really trying to go for those prosumers,
those people who are kind of not really
Pixar professionals, but they're trying to do
a little bit more with their machine,
and design-wise, that's the first thing.
You always gotta catch that person's eye,
and with this new Mac Pro, definitely gonna do that.
Yeah, I guess that much is true.
I mean, we can also spend a little bit of time
talking about the power of it.
So there was a post on linustechtips.com where,
and this is really funny to me.
So here, let's hold on.
Let's fire up my screen here.
So the post was by Top War Gamer,
and the headline is a little bit incendiary here,
but even at $7,000, the new Mac Pro is only 8% faster
than an iMac, and there are some valid points here
because the new Mac Pro uses Ivy Bridge E
versus the Haswell architecture
that's actually one generation further along
compared to Ivy Bridge E that is in use in the new iMacs.
So there's a 10% performance per clock per core
deficit there already for the Mac Pro,
but it makes up for it with more cores,
and then there's also the fact that it's clock lower,
so having, particularly in professionally
multi-threaded applications, like something like
Final Cut Pro, video rendering, advanced photo editing,
things like that, more threads actually scales
quite effectively, but more clock speed
always scales very effectively.
So most people may be better off actually having
a Haswell-based iMac versus something like a Mac Pro.
So I mean, the hardware is all things that we know,
and the original article was actually from Macworld,
and it's funny to me that they benchmarked it in this way,
because I really don't think it tells the whole story,
but they basically said, look, it's only about 7% faster
in our benchmark, speed mark, that we developed
that apparently doesn't really seem, in my mind,
to represent the real world advantages of the Mac Pro.
There's no doubt that for professional video rendering
or 4K video work, this is gonna be a big deal,
but I really don't think that 7% faster was fair.
It is a very powerful machine.
Yeah, yeah, it's, as these machines start
arriving on people's doors, we're gonna have benchmarks
out the window, and I know you guys are gonna definitely
do your thing on it, and yeah, so you can't just take
one benchmark out of it, we have to see the sum of them,
but I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be just slightly
more powerful than iMac, that's kind of impossible.
I think Apple will be very stupid to do that,
but it could happen, all the benchmarks come out,
but I don't think that's gonna be the case.
In some applications, it will be true.
Single-threaded applications, it will be true,
but in multi-threaded applications, it should do quite well.
Now, speaking of multi-threaded,
what configuration did you get?
Well, for this one, I just got the base model,
just because I wanted to get it before I left off the CES,
but I think after I get done reviewing this one,
I'll probably go ahead and send this one back in
and then get something more, at least six ports.
Little more oomph for you there.
Just a little more, just a little more.
We'll see, we'll see how this performs
with my kind of workflow.
I mean, I don't need that much, to be honest with you.
But yeah, so I just got the base model for this review.
So what do you have, honestly, I'm a little bit guilty
of not even looking that closely at the configurations
of the Mac Pro.
What video cards does the base model have?
The base has a D500, I believe.
Just one?
Oh, I think we lost him again.
No, that was dual, my bad.
So sorry, a D500?
And just one?
No, I think it's dual.
It is dual, okay, it is dual.
What I would love for you to do,
and of course, I don't sort of dictate
what content you do in any way, shape, or form,
but what I would love for you to do
is find a way to fully load up the machine
and then go ahead and.
This is the quad-core, $3,000 quad-core.
If you scroll down, it's a.
Yeah, dual, dual D300s.
So I'd love for you to find a way
to fully load the graphics cards and the CPU
and then just put a microphone next to it
because Apple's claims of 17 decibels under load
or whatever it is they're saying seem ridiculous to me,
particularly for higher-end configurations,
but even for the base model, that just doesn't seem right.
And no one has properly benchmarked this yet.
The best I've seen, everyone's reviews
seems to be basically the same so far,
and they're just saying, okay, yeah,
we played back some 4K video,
and we tried doing a little bit of 4K editing.
We put some filters on it.
It could be because certain things are covered.
They can't talk about certain things yet.
It's possible.
There can't possibly be an embargo on a product
that's shipping to end users.
That's impossible.
Is it already landing anymore?
Yeah, I just got one.
I thought he got one as a review unit.
No, no, Apple doesn't like me.
Oh.
No, yeah, they started shipping, I think, early this week,
so I think people started getting them
as early as Tuesday or at least Thursday.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So there you go.
I would love for you to tell us
how loud is this thing actually
because the amount of heat being dissipated in there,
just, it doesn't seem right to me.
Right.
And even Apple's whole explanation of how it works,
where you have one heat sink
that is actually being shared by three components,
so that heat sink can be used when two things are idle.
It can be used to cool the first one even more.
Well, okay, Apple,
but what about when all three of them
are working really hard?
Then how cool does it run?
How quiet is it really?
That's what I wanna know.
Okay, I will definitely test it out.
I appreciate that very much, actually.
All right, so let's move on to our last guest topic here.
And wait, did I ask them for a Twitter blitz
at one point there?
You did, you asked them for a Twitter blitz
about the FTC in Taiwan, for a trade commission in Taiwan.
Ah, yes, okay, so hold on.
Let's see if we have any for you here, Mark.
All right, so, okay.
Here's Andreas' take.
So your fines should be based on your income.
So if you're a millionaire
flying through a Swiss village with your Ferrari,
it should cost you a few hundred thousand dollars
because you have the money.
So the punishment should rise proportional,
proportional, wow, can't talk right now.
Yeah, proportionally with your income.
Sounds fair.
Put Apple on child support.
Put Apple on child support, yeah.
Yeah, alimony.
All right, Hamdas says,
I think that these actions make a company earn easy money
and that's why the biggest brands,
even supermarkets, are taking this approach.
So basically, I think that sounds like an acknowledgement
that there's nothing we can really do.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think in the long run, in a week,
we were probably not gonna hear about this again,
and then Apple was gonna,
and unfortunately, I think they're probably
gonna get away with it.
I guess it's a stop.
All right, so Ober1 Kenobi says,
no victim, no crime.
Okay, that's one way of looking at it.
Depends how you define a victim.
Yeah, because I mean, if you waste someone's time
by hijacking another lane and you get an advantage
that they didn't have, are they a victim, maybe?
And then if someone should be going faster in that lane
and are now going slower because you're in it.
Ryan asked me to stop using Adblock on the Stream PC.
I'm not using Adblock.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
No one in the office has Adblock installed.
Yeah, we do not have Adblock.
I'm sure there's at least a few articles here
that have ads all over them.
All right.
Someone asked, what would we do?
Okay, so here's something.
Is it a victimless crime if someone takes your video, Mark,
and re-uploads it if they don't claim monetization on it?
I mean, for me, because I don't care,
to be honest with you.
Because a lot of people have uploaded
almost all my videos on their channels.
It doesn't bother me.
So at least for me, it doesn't.
But I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who,
hey, I created the content.
I'm the owner of it.
I don't want anybody else to upload it
under some other false name.
So I can see why other people would be pissed at it.
We've had other people upload our content.
We don't usually ever really care.
I issue takedown notices sometimes
when I'm gonna have time.
But when I'm busy, I just kinda leave it.
Yeah, but then there's still technically a victim there.
Not pressing charges doesn't mean that there wasn't a victim.
Okay, that's a good point.
All right, so let's talk about Google Glass 2.0.
I've actually had one for a little while.
You've got one.
But the key difference between you and me
is that I never tried the first Explorer edition.
So I would love to hear your impressions
of Glass 2.0 versus 1.0.
Well, I would say, you know, hardware-wise,
I mean, just one of the major differences
is just the fact that the 2.0 ships with this,
the model earphone, earbud,
that you can use now to kinda be better for audio
if you wanna talk under the phone call
or listen to any type of video on there.
Right.
And then the second edition is gonna be available
to be able to use the prescription lenses
instead of just the sunglass and the clear glass lenses,
which is definitely gonna be useful
for people who can use glasses.
But other than that, they feel pretty identical
on my face, same weight, they're still pretty sturdy.
When you put them on, they don't come off easy.
You know, so I would say if you use 1.0 and you use 2.0,
it's not gonna feel any different on your face.
Camera quality just seems to be the same.
And other than just the model earbud
and the prescription lenses, that's basically hard robots,
the difference that I can't really actually physically tell.
How do you like it?
How do you like the glass experience
or being a glass hole, so to speak?
Well, I'm definitely a glass hole.
Well, I've been wearing it for about two months now
and I wear it a lot of places in public places
and just privately and I'm just chilling at home
just using it.
And I would say that it's something that
after I get done testing it,
it's not something I would carry around everywhere I go.
At least not if I'm walking in a group of friends somewhere
and going out to hang out somewhere.
I don't think I'll take people to glass
unless you're doing something cool like paintball
or something and I wanna get some video of it.
I think it's really just for when you're by yourself
and you're going out doing something
and you're out in the town doing whatever.
It's just a good by yourself product,
but just when you're in a group of people,
it's just too much of a distraction, I think.
And it's just that I don't find myself wanting to use it
when I'm with a group of people just walking around
or chilling, drinking or whatever.
But I think overall, it's a cool device
and the people that have used it,
they've been kind of mixed on it
where there's gonna be something
that they will actually buy when it comes out to market.
But I think there's a future in it,
but it really comes down to augmented reality
that Google is trying to do with it.
To be able just to walk and not have to activate it
or touch it, but walk and you see the subway station
like it's showing in the video
and it tells you it's closed.
It'll tell you that the train is running late.
You know, that is what we're really far off from.
But I kinda see where Google is going for
and they're constantly releasing updates for it,
which are making it better.
But I think when it comes out next year, hopefully,
even at a good price point,
I still think it's gonna be a lot of people
hesitant to buy it.
Yeah, I think a big thing is gonna be glass etiquette
or like I'm sure someone will spin it,
glass etiquette or something, whatever.
But I think that's gonna be a big thing.
I think it's gonna have its own environment around it
where if you do something,
it's automatically perceived as rude.
Like there will become manners and etiquette
with using Google Glass and like areas
that you just really shouldn't have it.
Like if you walk into a hospital or a doctor's office.
Right.
I'm assuming people are gonna expect you to take it off.
Right.
And like I think stuff like that is gonna evolve
once it becomes more of a consumer product.
Yeah, it's really common sense, you know.
Go to the bathroom, take your glasses off,
put it on the top of your head or something, you know.
I think that, I mean, that's just common sense.
There's gonna be stupid people out there, of course,
in any product, but I think the end of the day
is really just gonna be to people who aren't wearing it.
There's a lot of people think I'm always recording them.
And I'm like, look, I'm not recording you.
When I walk into this room, I'm not recording you.
So that's the biggest,
and I think that's gonna be the main problem
that Google Glass is gonna have to try to come over.
It's just gonna be getting people aware
to the fact that you're not always recording.
And the only thing I can really think of
to be able to do that is have a little red light
on the front that indicates when you're recording.
That's the only thing I can really see.
That's the only way I can really see them getting around that.
Right, but even then, I mean, to educate people
that there's an indicator for recording.
I mean, okay, here, this might sound really bad,
but I wore my Google Glass through an airport in Canada
where there's really no talk about it
because I don't know if you know this,
but Google doesn't ship Glass to Canada.
I actually had to go down to the States.
I had to find someone.
Actually, it was Austin Evans
who let me use his credit card to order Google Glass
and ship to someone in the States
where I went down and picked it up and hand-carried it over.
So there's like none of them in Canada right now,
and no one even really recognized it
or thought it was a problem
that I was walking through an airport with this thing.
So when you consider that's the level of ignorance
that's out there about it now,
how do you educate everyone
that there's a recording light on it?
Come on.
I mean, I think it's gonna be the coverage of it.
I mean, there's already been,
when Google Glass finally explored this
and started just coming out,
I mean, the major networks, CNN and everybody else
were talking about it,
and that's one of the topics they were talking about,
the camera, the privacy issue of it.
So I think Google's just gonna have to do a really good job
at getting that word out.
They were to add that red light on there
just to get that word out.
Hopefully the public, the consumer public
will be able to hear that.
Again, most people won't, to be honest with you,
but that's the only way I can see them
really getting them out of there.
I mean, it's better than nothing.
I think that red light would be better than nothing.
I think people who are wearing Google Glass
won't mind having the red light on when they're recording.
I think that in the end of the day,
it'll just help out those people
who are kind of privacy conscious police officers
and other people.
I mean, the lady in California got a ticket
for wearing Google Glass.
But I think that's the most important,
mostly due to the fact that they can't use cell phones
or stuff like that.
But it's that type of ignorance by the police officer
that it's something that it's kind of hard to get over,
but Google's gonna have to try.
I don't know if you can probably really try this
just with the mainstream media.
It'd be interesting if they could make it really obvious
by changing how they actually do the red indicator.
So like if they had to go all the way along the side
and be a little late so that it's super obvious
and make it breathe or something.
So people know this is doing something right now.
It might not be educated enough to realize it's recording,
but hello, flashing light, like something's going on.
Yeah, and I know Google probably doesn't want to do that
because I understand they definitely just want,
they'd like the look of Google Glasses to be clean.
But it's, I mean, you're already seeing it get banned
from a lot of different places already and restaurants
and of course, casinos are gonna ban it.
But it's gonna get to the point where a lot of people
are gonna be so ignorant privacy activists
that they're gonna want us to just keep,
that everybody's just gonna ban it and it's gonna be like,
hey, in certain places it shouldn't be banned.
But I don't know, that's the one thing.
But everything else about Glass I love.
But that's the one thing that I've just encountered
with other people while using it.
All right, well I think we kept you a little bit,
about 20 minutes overtime, sorry Mark.
But I guess maybe, okay, I think, yeah.
Well I'm just trying to figure out,
I actually have to go pick up my baby tonight
so I can't let the show run like an hour over time.
So I guess we gotta let you go.
Sorry we were a little bit late,
I'm sorry about that email not arriving in your inbox.
Well not actually, not being sent from Luke's Outbox
because it would have arrived in your inbox
had it ever happened.
Well it was sent from my Outbox, it just didn't go to him.
Yeah, it went to me, not to you.
My bad.
Anyway.
Hey, no problem guys, sorry, I'm reading a chat room,
sorry for my audio, this is my first time
using Teamspeak and I don't know why it's so bad.
I don't know why it sounds so bad, but yeah,
sorry about that, but no problem on the email guys.
Just thank y'all guys for having me on.
Thank you very much.
So just one more time, tell people where to find you,
where they can follow you on Twitter
and find you on the YouTubes and all that good stuff.
Well you can find me on YouTube, just soldierknowsbest
on Twitter, soldierknowsbest, take the S off in the nose,
they have some characters.
But on Facebook, facebook.com for slash SKB fans,
but this is just google soldierknowsbest,
you'll find me on there.
Now I'm not just an Apple fanboy chat room, I see y'all.
All right, all right, hold on, hold on, we got you.
We got your first nine videos up here on my screen right now
just for lulz and it's Jailbreak iPhone,
MacBook Pro Penren Review, MacBook Pro Battery Review,
MacBook Pro Heat, Gaming on the MacBook Pro,
Crysis on a MacBook Pro, Half Life 2 on a MacBook Pro,
How to Upgrade RAM in a MacBook Pro,
and Apple Rumors slash News V1.
Those were his first.
I watched them put those up there,
that was my first video, I was in my beginning stages
of an Apple fanboy and back when I really first started,
damn, look at me, man, I look stupid.
But I came out of my total alpha phase a long time ago.
I haven't seen those in so long, that's a long time ago.
Thank you so much for joining us on the show today.
It was really nice to meet you finally.
I've been keeping an eye on you over the years
as we've both grown our YouTube audiences
and been making tech videos
in these completely different spaces,
but it was nice to finally meet you.
Yeah, you too, man.
Again, thanks for having me on, man.
Y'all take it easy, man, enjoy.
Take care.
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Someone thinks Linus flipped off the stream.
I did not.
You, you, you forced,
you did it.
You forced me to.
Yeah, because I'm so strong
that I could force you to do something physically.
Well, you used your whole arm and hand
to pull down a single finger.
I guess I forced you to do things physically before.
All right, so moving on to our next topic, Riot Games.
Speaking of forcing people,
Bens, they're players, professional players that stream.
Dota 2, what is this?
Those are some of them.
Heart of the Swarm?
Yeah.
Oh, that's right, that's right, okay.
Because I was like, oh, this is a list of MOBAs,
but that's not a MOBA, but right.
MOBA, it's something else, and any MOBA.
Yeah, and any MOBA.
So Riot is basically including in their new contract a clause
that says you may not stream competing games,
and there's actually a specific list of games.
And there is a fair amount of debate right now online
about whether this is an okay thing for them to do,
or whether this is a big load of cow pie.
Let's get your take first.
So mine is, when I first read it,
I was like, wow, that's bull crap.
Brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr.
Going to war with the keyboard!
Because I read a very sensationalist version
that someone had linked me, which wasn't this.
And what it was basically saying is
no League of Legends player is allowed,
this is what the sensationalized version was saying,
not the real version,
is no League of Legends player
is allowed playing other games.
Okay, so to be clear, guys,
this is how the rules actually go down.
So the following companies and or products
are not to be advertised during
or adjacent to League of Legends content during the term.
I mean, remember, you're signing a pro,
I mean, if you played in the NBA,
and you're all like, yeah, well, hey,
I'm like, I'm off court right now,
so, you know, hey, I'm like, you know, I'm a go, like,
playing a different basketball league or whatever.
It says adjacent, it's like,
you can go play these other games.
You have no problem with that.
You just can't advertise and stream them.
Yeah, and then this brings into the equation,
my notes on here somewhere is, is streaming free time?
Because when you're signed up with League of Legends,
you're streaming to promote the whole idea.
So that's the point.
So if you're streaming isn't actually free time,
you're working.
Yes, so and it really, it's only specific games.
So no Blizzard, which is.
Yeah, Blizzard just gets completely crushed.
Goes to show you what the relationship is like
between Riot and Blizzard at this point in time.
Valve's okay, except Dota 2,
because it's a direct competitor to LoL.
I don't think anyone actually calls it LoL, do they?
Well, yeah, some people do.
All right, Heroes of New Earth, Not Okay,
Rise of Immortals, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Most of these make a fair bit of sense.
Some of them don't really, but most of them do.
And there's some that I'm surprised aren't on here.
And you can still play other games,
because someone brought up,
oh, well, that's gonna make all streams boring,
because what are you supposed to do
during the 30 to 40 minute queues
that are possible at really, really high ranks?
Because sometimes there isn't enough
really, really high ranked people
that actually get into a game altogether,
and it can result in these huge queues.
These are the only games they can't play.
They can still go play games.
Yeah.
I used to watch a streamer that used to emulate
super old games and play NES classics in between these games
and that was awesome.
Honestly, this isn't as restrictive as I would have thought.
So they have the list of games that you can't stream,
and then they also have, okay, so no gambling,
no OTC, or no prescription drugs.
So OTC drugs are even okay.
You can pimp Advil all day if you feel like it.
No firearms, handguns, or ammunition.
No websites displaying or related to pornography
or pornographic products, and no tobacco products.
I mean, they're leading a lot in play here
that many professional athletes don't have.
You're even allowed to promote alcohol.
Yeah, you could have drunk streams or whatever.
Yeah, you can have drunk streams.
You could have drunk streams with like,
you know, I don't know, what can people do
with Red Bull and vodka and throw some OTC pills in the mix.
You can have all kinds of fun on your stream
if you really want to.
It's just a matter of not being allowed
to do a few specific things
and stream directly competing games,
and I can understand that.
So back to the NBA example.
The NBA gonna let you go, with a few notable exceptions,
things like the Olympics, where they allow it,
but that's exactly it.
It is at their discretion.
They allow it.
They allow you to participate
in another league's tournament play
because you are sort of an asset for them,
and you have to respect that.
I mean, there was a hockey player
that was killed in a motorcycle accident here in Canada
a few years back, Luc Bourdon.
And what sort of what got talked about a fair bit here
was he shouldn't have been on a motorcycle
because in his contract states,
he may not ride a motorcycle in the off season
because he's not allowed to injure himself
because he's an asset to his team
and he has a contractual obligation to not hurt himself.
And they're not going that crazy.
And one thing, I think a lot of people expected me
to be on the other side,
and I might have been if there wasn't a few certain things.
One of them was the very specified games list.
Apparently you do have that.
Apparently I do have Adblock.
I didn't install it.
Must have been Edzel.
It was probably Edzel.
Because he was using this as an editing machine.
Well, I'm turning it off.
I don't know how to turn it off.
I've never used it.
I've never used it either.
I couldn't tell you.
You can uninstall it.
Sure, I'll uninstall it.
I will uninstall it now.
I don't know how to turn it off.
Okay, you talk about what you think about this
while I stream me uninstalling it.
Okay, sounds good.
So what the hell was that?
Anyways, so I think a lot of people
expected me to be on this other side,
but I wouldn't have if there wasn't certain things in place.
Like the list of games, which specifically was like,
you can't play these ones.
You can still play other games, just not these ones.
And that's while you're streaming.
They allow you to play whatever the heck you want
while you're not streaming.
And then they also bring up that they wanna drive it forward
this way to be able to supply things like salaries
and more intense sponsorships and more solid,
basically like a more solid situation
where you're not constantly worried
about your quote unquote employment
is they have to start doing stuff like this.
I don't know how to uninstall it.
Go to your, what?
I don't know how to uninstall it.
Doesn't it just have like a Chrome add-ons thing?
No, no, no, go to the Chrome add-ons thing.
Remove from Chrome?
Can I do that?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yay, here we go.
All right, yay, Linus removed ad blog.
They didn't actually know how to do, okay.
So like, I think, yeah, they're limiting their players.
But one thing that I've noticed in the esports community
is someone wants to get into esports,
but then they're scared.
They're like, oh, I might be good enough
to get on a team and start playing professional.
Not me, but I'm saying someone else.
But they're like, oh, there's no future in this
because it's so volatile.
If I lose a few tournaments in a row, I might be gone.
They're trying, I think they're trying
to make the whole situation a lot more stable.
They're trying to make it so sponsorships are bigger.
They're trying to make it so that their sponsorships
can be bigger because they can rely on these people to.
I didn't know it's a plugin.
Yeah, I was trying to like,
what are you doing?
I didn't know.
I thought maybe it was something you actually just install.
I thought it was an application.
I've never, all I know is I don't use it
because it hurts content creators.
I've never used it either.
Look, it's not on my laptop.
But like, I don't, of course it was a plugin.
I don't know, man.
Anyway.
Someone says apparently Riot reversed the statement.
That's interesting.
Either way, honestly, I'm not even against it.
Because they're stepping into a more professional space.
It's kind of awkward when you see a League of Legends player
trying to compete in a different game anyways.
Right.
When they're supposed to be training for a tournament
and they're like, oh, you're playing Han or Dota.
It's like, what, what, what?
I don't know.
All right, well, let's.
Move forward because apparently it doesn't matter anymore.
I hate this laptop.
Just drag that, drag that.
Wow, that is so ridiculous.
All right, so guys, this is awesome.
I think you'll probably love this.
If you haven't already seen it, it's amazing.
Oh, hey.
It's incredible.
Wanna see something cool?
Yeah, sure.
Here, give me your number.
Okay, it's 543-677.
Who has a six digit number?
Oh my God.
Hello.
Hey, free lady.
Hey.
All right, so basically it's two and a half minutes of that
and it's like the most brutal thing ever.
It went semi-viral, so it's got 2.1 million views.
It looks like Samsung has disabled comments now on the video.
They were enabled back when I was looking at it.
They have also hidden, they've disabled likes and dislikes
because it had about an eight to one
dislike to like ratio last time I looked at it.
And it is just absolutely brutal.
It's like, there's a club scene later
where he uses the watch to basically pick up this chick
at a ski lodge, which is not.
If you're having trouble picking up girls,
buy a Samsung gear because this is true.
It will work.
I promise you, don't believe me,
I promise you that this will work.
It literally has a female attractivity magnet built in.
It's a new, it's like a gyro stabilizer,
but it stabilizes them towards you.
And I love how he was wearing the watch
over top of a ski glove.
Was he?
Yeah.
Awesome.
It's like, what, what are you doing?
And he drops his phone and he's like,
oh wait, it's probably miles away.
I'll track it with my watch
because I don't want to bend down
and look exactly where it is.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on, hold on.
Okay, okay, maybe we're not quite done.
I'm so sorry.
Don't worry, there's some more there.
I got it.
No, it's cool.
No, it's cool, I'll find it.
I'll find my phone.
Oh, you mean it's directly down?
Oh my God, that was difficult.
You mean that thing that I could have just had someone
call me so that I could find it?
You know the way that we used to do it in the dark ages?
Yeah, sure.
Continue, you're standing here right now.
All right, so the boyfriend spills a drink.
Ah yes, he spills a drink because he's taking his phone
out of his pocket.
Oh my God, I'll be right there.
And then they were like, what,
are you already on a call?
Because he's just like, blah, blah, blah.
I don't even know, man, it's brutal.
And then the phone that was mysteriously
on the other side of the thing,
she's like, where's the music coming from?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my God.
There's too much epic, you can't read.
I know.
You should've just played the whole video.
I'm sorry, I should've just played the video.
Okay, so they're out having their little romantic thing
here, here we go, here we go, here we go.
I don't hear the sound anymore for some reason.
That's weird, I wonder if I got unplugged, nope.
Okay, well whatever, he plays a song on the watch
and then she's like, where's that music coming from?
It's like my phone, it's like over there.
Because you leave your phone on like a railing
when you're having an intimate moment
out on a like balcony thing here.
So like, yeah, play.
There we go.
Where's the music coming from?
Yeah, genius.
It's like when I'm at a ski lodge,
I go out of my way to leave my phone
as far away from myself as I possibly can in plain sight.
So basically, Samsung needs to buck up
and get us to make all their commercials now.
Yeah, yeah, we've made better Samsung commercials
than that one.
Actually, we've made much better Samsung.
Samsung commercial, Apple, let's just have a look.
Oh yeah, that's probably not gonna bring it on.
MacBook, there we go.
Yeah, let's watch it.
Ah, it's like three and a half minutes long.
Okay, it's too long.
Whatever, anyway.
If you look for the upgrade your MacBook or notebook
with a Samsung SSD commercial,
then you can definitely check that out.
All right, so we've got our next topic.
This was an article on The Verge.
Actually, speaking of exciting Verge-related stuff,
we are hopefully going to have Joshua Topolski
joining us on the land show.
So he's the editor-in-chief of The Verge.
We should dress up in suits or something.
I don't know what to do,
but it's definitely gonna be a special occasion.
So we are hoping sometime in January,
but it really depends on his schedule,
but we are in the planning stages.
To dress up in suits and have apple juice in wine glasses?
No, I don't think we should do that.
Growing up gamers, should your child play classic games?
Is parenting the key to preservation of the classics?
Now this is actually,
we've had this conversation before,
where I was like, you know what?
Maybe what I should do is I should only give my kid,
because, okay, I've always, after Super Nintendo,
I've always been one generation behind for consoles.
I usually, I actually own PS2, Xbox 360, Super Nintendo.
I own a PlayStation 1.
No, I don't have a PS3 anymore, got rid of it.
So I actually own quite a collection of consoles,
but I only buy them once they're like 70 bucks,
and the new generation ones out,
because I figure if I'm always a full generation behind,
then I can always have a full library of games
for that console to justify my $70 investment.
And they're usually super cheap games at that point.
Yeah, everything's super cheap.
It's a super cheap way to get access to exclusive titles,
and because I'm so far behind,
then I'm enjoying them at the same rate other people are.
I'm just, you know, it's eight years at this point.
So this was a bit of an anomaly.
Eight years behind.
So if I were to have the only gaming system in my house
be a Super Nintendo, would that bother a kid?
They would have the same childhood gaming experience
that I did.
But the flip side of that is that I've been now
The flip side of that is that I've been necessarily right?
Who cares?
Just because I had that experience, and it was great for me,
doesn't mean that it's the be all and end all.
Could they grow up playing, you know, Mario Kart?
Eight.
Eight, thank you.
And New Super Mario Brothers 3D World
or whatever the new one's called.
That looks so cool.
It actually does look like a lot of fun.
You're getting Wii U, right?
Yeah, that figures.
I wanna play it, by the way.
Yeah, no problem.
We should do some after party stuff,
because it'd be really a lot easier to hook up.
Yeah, we could totally get that set up here.
Now that the whole set up actually works,
we could just plug right into there,
and there were volume adjustments.
And the old Wii controllers and old Wii games work on it.
So Twitter blitz us, guys.
Hit us with your thoughts on
should your child play classic games,
but in the meantime, what do you have to say about this?
So my thing is that it's kinda like old movies
and old music and old cars and old everything.
They're art forms in their own respect,
and my thing is I like how the guy
that wrote that article did it,
because he exposed his kids to it,
but let them enjoy it.
He didn't force it upon them.
He just kinda showed them.
Like he showed them an old arcade cabinet
for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I think it was.
But then he kinda let them journey into it,
and he didn't force them to stay there,
but they ended up playing through the whole thing,
because they enjoyed it.
I like that aspect,
because you shouldn't force something on someone,
because if you force old games on kids,
they're automatically not gonna like them,
because they're gonna be like, oh my god, what is this?
But I think you should just expose them,
because history's in this form,
that's interesting history in my mind.
But is it culturally relevant anymore?
I mean, that's another thing to consider,
is there'll be things like payphones
that will, even though the gameplay
might still be excellent.
So I guess something like Final Fantasy VI
would be an example of an excellent gameplay,
excellent story, and still not culturally irrelevant,
because it doesn't make a lot of pop culture references,
and it doesn't have cellphones in it,
or, well, lack of cellphones.
Wait, it does have a lack of cellphones.
Oh no, anyway, it doesn't have payphones in it,
it doesn't have things like that,
whereas a lot of older games would make references
to things that just aren't relevant anymore,
and might not be relatable.
Yes, but then at the same time,
if your kid is exploring by playing this game,
if they're interested in games in general,
and then they're exploring because they wanna play that,
if you kinda just sit there by them while they're playing,
they could be like, Daddy, what's that?
And then, that's, it's interesting,
like we always, we learn things constantly
that happened in the past,
and it helps us understand things about the future,
that's kinda how history works,
because history repeats itself,
and you can just learn like where we came from,
and like understanding the beginning of something
often makes you understand how other things work.
Like everything's built into your phone now,
but what's a level?
Like unless you actually see a level,
like an old school level, what's a level?
Because your phone can be a level.
It doesn't work very well.
Well, they will at some point.
Well, then you're right,
I don't think they work very well right now,
but like once that kinda stuff becomes not as relevant,
understanding how it works,
you kinda need to see where it came from,
like original computers are way more interesting
in my mind than like this laptop.
You take a part of this laptop,
and it's like, okay, there's some stuff.
All the computers can be like,
oh, so that literally travels along this,
and goes to that, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and it's interesting to see where it came from,
because it's like, okay,
a graphics card is a lot more than I kinda realized it was.
Right.
When you finally see like,
oh, this was the thing that made graphics before.
It did a lot, and you can see how everything flows,
and like it's basically an entire computer in itself.
A lot of people don't necessarily understand that.
So I don't know.
I think if they're interested, they'll dive deeper.
But it's also like,
if your kid doesn't give a crap about video games,
do you really need to force it on them?
No, I don't think so at all.
I mean, there's,
I guess this is one of the other real questions here,
is are older games better?
It depends on what you like more.
I mean, I recently played the remake of Another World.
Have you played that before?
I don't think so.
Okay, anyway, there's a remake of it on Android,
and it's infuriatingly difficult.
It's adventure game logic.
So basically, there's only a few actions.
There's like, there's fire,
and there's, I think there's like duck and jump maybe,
and then you can move back and forth.
Like there's only like two buttons you can press
the whole time pretty much.
And it's a puzzle.
And a lot of the time, I found myself frustrated,
even in the remake, by the,
there not really being hints that I understood.
So for example, there's one spot where,
spoiler alert, okay, there's one spot,
my just like a 20 year old game.
There's one spot where you're supposed to look
into a disco ball and see a guy walking underneath it
and time it so that you shoot up the disco ball
so it hits him, okay?
To me, the disco ball looked like it was spinning
and glinting, so I didn't get that puzzle.
I had to look it up.
I'm just like, well, if I didn't understand the puzzle,
how can I be expected to solve the puzzle?
But on the other hand, the ones that I did figure out
on my own that were similarly difficult and ridiculous
were much more gratifying than a modern game.
And that's something that feels like it's missing
from modern gaming.
I feel the same way.
And another thing to appreciate and understand is that,
especially with the NES era,
like original Nintendo Entertainment System,
not even SNES to the same degree,
but the original NES was they added time to complete
by making it more difficult.
So to make a game longer, they would make it
so you had to practice on a boss.
You weren't expected to kill him the first time
like you are with modern games.
Book time event, press X to not lose.
Yeah, basically.
Now it's like, oh no, you died
because you didn't know that attack animation.
Now you know that attack animation.
You got him again.
You make it to the next attack animation and then you die.
And then you try it again.
You have to progress, so that's different.
And it takes, it's that whole thing
where kids can't fail in school anymore.
A lot of times you can't fail in a video game anymore.
If I die in a modern video game, I'm like, what?
Yeah, and it's, you know, I find,
I'm actually just playing Batman Arkham Origins now.
Yeah, I finally started it.
I finished Arkham City.
So Batman Arkham Origins, I'm at the,
whatever his stupid name is.
No, no, it's not a spoiler.
It's a boss fight.
Okay.
Whatever, it's the, oh crap, death something?
Death?
Arkham Origins boss fight.
There we go, Deathstroke.
So it's the Deathstroke boss fight
and basically this boss fight is one long quick time event.
So you just have to time it.
And at the normal difficulty level,
which I'm used to playing at,
I would typically, when I gamed more,
I'd play first person shooters on hard
and I'd play anything else on kind of normal.
So I'm playing on normal, but unlike Arkham Asylum,
which I don't think had telegraph
little like notifications on normal difficulty,
Arkham Origins does.
So they've actually dumbed it down
even in the last like three years, four years,
however long it's been since Arkham City.
But I kept, as an older school gamer,
I kept looking for a quick way to beat him.
Like it's Super Mario World.
You know, any of the bosses.
Even the first boss, Iggy,
on the little platform that goes back and forth,
you can either jump on him and then like jump on him
and kind of fight back and forth or,
and you can do high jumps and try to knock him off,
but the timing might not work and it might shift
and you might go the other way.
Or if you have the mad skills,
you can just jump on him and do low jumps,
hop, hop, hop, hop, boom,
and then do a long jump on the last one
and land yourself right back in the middle of the platform.
There's a fast way.
With this boss, there's no fast way.
With certain bosses,
you could even just sprint the whole time
and he'd jump and you run under him.
Yes. If you're ballsy.
That was old school Super Mario Brothers.
But with this one, it's just like,
no, you just have to have the 10 minutes
or whatever of patience to sit and wait for the telegraph
and block it and then don't retort too soon
because then he has an unblockable thing.
Like to me, that's not entertainment.
I mean, it's very cinematic,
but if I wanted cinematic,
I'd go watch the Batman movies,
which frankly are better.
Yeah, to be completely,
well, that's because that's what they're designed to do.
I was talking to someone the other day
because they asked me why the heck
I keep on buying old school games.
And I just, what did I just buy?
Shadow something.
Not Shadow Gate.
No, I'm not going to remember the name of it now.
I thought it was Shadow something.
Anyways, I like just bought some super old school NES game.
They're like, why do you keep buying that?
And I was like, well,
a lot of times I have more fun with these
than the newer games
because they're really super challenging.
And from what I'm finding with the newer games,
I'm enjoying stuff like Skyrim,
where it's just like super crazy exploration
and all that kind of stuff.
Not like the shooters as much
because we've had Call of Shadow Duty 19
and I'm kind of done with it.
Right.
Indie games too.
Indie games are becoming super interesting.
I noticed this year compared to so many other years,
a lot of people's like top,
a lot of game reviewers top five and top tens or whatever,
heavily populated with indie.
Right.
Like quite heavily and like game of the year,
a lot of the times, indie games.
Other than the people that were like
Bioshock, Infinite, Doom Raider, blah, blah, blah.
Like just everything everyone expects.
All the AAA stuff.
Yeah, people that tried to mix it up at all.
It was just tons of indie stuff,
which is really interesting.
All right, so let's go ahead to our Twitter blitz
that we wanted people to weigh in on.
Woo, 188, look at that.
Oh, 201 more.
All right.
This is definitely something people want to know.
Like Morrowind.
Morrowind, yeah.
And you know what?
The thing about older, more difficult games is
I went into Morrowind having already played Oblivion.
So I was never an Elder Scrolls player.
It's hard to do that.
And I quit Morrowind after like 10 minutes
because I was like, this is stupid.
Because I went the wrong way down a path
and got like crushed.
I'm like, well, what?
Especially from Oblivion to Morrowind,
it's hard to go back because of two.
The quest system back then was not as matured as it is now.
Oh, it was like write it down.
Yeah, write it down or your dude writes it down
in a journal in an unordered list in a journal.
It's as things happen.
So like, good luck.
If you got the expansions, it updates the quest system.
But if you didn't, it's still the old school way.
And that's just way too hard for somebody.
I enjoyed it because I just kind of wandered and explored.
For the longest time, I thought this guy's name
was like making fun of me, saying that I was a sellout.
Yeah.
Linus Forsell, no, his name, Linus Forsell, okay.
I think it'd be great to introduce them
to the older generation of games.
That way, maybe they can also appreciate the change.
And that is actually the approach
that I was talking to him about,
where I was like, well, maybe what I'll do
is I'll, on an accelerated path,
let them have access to first SNES, then N64,
then GameCube, then something, something.
And then at the end, we finish with the epitome
of gaming systems, which is the Dreamcast.
And then that way, they can appreciate the,
sorry, I can't even keep a straight face.
So they can appreciate the evolution,
even if they don't have to wait five or eight years
in between consoles.
I mean, that might be an interesting approach,
but really, what's the point of forcing them?
Yeah.
What if the other kids their age
have more recent titles than consoles?
Will they feel left out or excluded?
I don't think so,
because they can play those games at their house.
And because they're gonna be playing old school games,
they're gonna kick so much ass
that they'll be able to master those games
in the time that their friends are still figuring out
what a QuickTime event is.
I mean, as someone who played predominantly SNES games,
it's not like I ever had difficulty
going to a friend's house and playing on a PlayStation.
No, it's really easy, especially when you,
if you're used to something harder,
it's easier to learn the new things.
The new, easier things.
Michael figures, a mix is good.
Tom says, classics are more accessible to kids as concepts
and are simpler.
If you want to encourage them to play games,
it would be a start.
It's interesting, because in some ways,
the classics are more accessible.
In other ways, so I would say they are easier
to sit down and play, like to learn the basic mechanics,
but they are definitely more difficult to beat
in many cases.
So something like an arcade-style game,
you know what, your kid could probably beat
the first level of Turtles in Time,
you know, very easily, very quickly,
but good luck beating it on a single life.
Yeah, yeah.
I just remembered the game I got,
it was last night, it was Nightshade from 1992.
Just check out that cover.
Wow, the cover itself is bad.
Well, they can't see it, so hold on a minute.
Nightshade, oh my God.
And I remembered it because of what he said.
He said the concepts are simpler.
The concept in Nightshade is not simpler.
Nightshade is confusing as hell
and really difficult to play,
but there are some games that are very simple concepts,
like the old Mario games are relatively simple concepts.
You go to the other end and you don't run into things
while you're going to the other end.
And don't fall down the hole.
And don't fall down the hole.
And like fairly simple concepts,
but there's also stuff like Nightshade,
which is like repeatedly kick your butt, essentially.
All right, back to our Twitter blitz.
New games are good, but we as gamers lost patience
to play the way we used to play.
There's no way we'll play the same boss 10 times over.
You know what, you're probably right
because I have continued, well,
let's see, this is lack of patience,
but also lack of patience with the new way
of like sitting through things.
But I'm kind of stuck on that Deathstroke boss fight.
I've done it about 10 times now
because I keep just being like,
well, no, there must be a faster way.
And there just isn't.
My thing is like there's a new,
well, it's not that new,
but there's a new like Pac-Man style game,
which is all based around it.
There's different maps and stuff,
and it's all based around getting a huge train of ghosts
because it's not just the four.
And then you can make these massive trains
and then when you eat the fruit
and turn around and eat them all,
you make this like huge combo.
And it's very mechanical.
And while you're playing,
you're really focused the whole time
because you're planning paths and all this kind of stuff.
And it feels very old school.
And I feel that the same way.
You can't just sit there and be like,
oh, I'll be really good at it this time.
And like, I'll try this new thing
and I'll swing this way and do that kind of stuff
with a quick time event.
Cause you're just like.
Right.
It's not the same.
If it's like you are in full control
and you just need to be better,
I find it more driving
and then way more accomplishing when you beat it
instead of like, yeah, yeah, it's out of here for 10 minutes
and I won, like who cares?
I don't know.
All right, so Mango Juice staying figures.
Game developers these days
don't care about storyline or graphics
or gameplay as much as graphics.
And I don't necessarily think that's true.
I mean, look at someone like Telltale Games.
Speaking of which, is Wolf Among Us episode two out yet?
I think so.
Oh, sweet.
I'm pretty sure like a week ago, two weeks ago.
But yeah, I think it depends on coming after the holidays.
After the holidays?
I thought it came out.
Hey.
Come on.
Couple new screenshots available.
Uh, I guess it was more information came out.
Those bastages.
At least Walking Dead season two's out though.
I'm gonna play that.
I have a pass for it.
Nice, nice.
But yeah, it depends who you're looking at.
A lot of indies too are focusing a lot more on storyline
than anything else, to be honest.
It's just triple A's focusing on graphics.
All right, Glass Bomb figures.
I would show my future kid the retro games
and want them to appreciate the older ones.
Ben makes a good point.
I think classic games are being redefined
as the world progresses.
I mean, what is classic?
There's actually a great song.
I don't even remember who it's by
and I'm gonna look it up.
Here we go.
Bowling for Soup, 1985.
Where the chorus is like,
when did Motley Crue become classic rock?
Because it's about this mom who's getting older
and it's like, where the hell did the time go?
But I mean, at some point,
Far Cry 3 will be a classic game.
Think about that for a moment.
And everything else will be like old crap
that no one watches anymore.
And with the odd exception,
like ones like Sonic the Hedgehog might be immortal
to the point where the really old Sonics on the Genesis
still get played at some point in the future
once in a while, but it's more as a curiosity.
It's kind of like how you'd go into a DVD rental store
back when those existed.
Haha, speaking of things that have gone away.
And they would have like one copy of Casablanca
and they'd have one copy of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
And that would be like the classic movie section.
So there will be the few immortal ones,
but for the most part,
the classics will change and evolve in time.
I mean, at some point, is Anchorman gonna be a classic?
I mean, some people would make the argument
Anchorman is a classic,
but you can't call that a classic movie
with a straight face.
But then maybe 30 years from now,
people who grew up seeing Anchorman,
is Dumb and Dumber a classic?
That's interesting.
Maybe, people still talk about it a lot.
Yeah.
That's really interesting, yeah.
Funny you say the whole rental movie store thing
because that's where I buy my old games.
Yeah.
Willow video, as in they like rent out videos.
It's weird.
I've only ever seen people buying games there though,
so I don't know.
All right, well I think that's pretty much it.
I'd like to wrap things up with a reminder, guys,
that we are gonna be at CES.
Actually, next week is gonna be the last WAN show
before we leave for CES,
and then we will be off for a week
because we'll be down at the show and we will be tired.
We will be extremely tired if, by some miracle,
we manage to figure out a way to stream a WAN show that day.
I'll let you guys know on Twitter,
so make sure you're following at Linus Tech.
But yeah, no, it's gonna be tough.
Anyway, our sponsors for the show are NCIX.
They are actually our gold sponsors,
so they are sponsoring the bulk of our team to be there,
which is extremely expensive.
I mean, it's airfare, it's hotel, it's food, it's cellphones
it's all those things that we have to do to make this happen
and they are being a big help there.
And then our two co-silver sponsors
are Corsair and Western Digital.
So those guys are enabling us
to actually make some money while we're down there,
which is something that we actually need to do
in order to make shows like this
and the equipment that we need
to have our shows work correctly.
I found out from Mark why his mic wasn't working right.
He didn't click apply to change over his mic,
so it was like the integrated mic.
And it was our fault, we didn't do a test call with him,
so it was totally not his bad there.
I feel really bad about that.
But for the most part,
technical difficulties are getting better on the show.
You might have noticed we didn't drop any frames today.
There was no glitchiness on the stream
and if the image quality looks pretty good,
that's probably because it is.
We've got a new camera going,
we've got a dedicated internet connection in here
just for streaming, so there's all that.
We need companies to sponsor us
in order to make that kind of thing happen.
And I do have one last sponsor message from WD
and that is their WD Fan Night.
So we're gonna be there.
I actually talked to the NCIX tech tips guys
and it sounds like they might try to be there as well.
That would be pretty cool.
But you are invited to the WD Fan Night.
If you go to wdpromotion.com and slash WD Fan Night,
if you're going to be in Vegas, if you're gonna be at CES,
then you should definitely check this out.
I'm gonna tweet it out right now.
We will be there.
We'll just kind of be hanging out,
being WD fans and all that.
Let's go ahead and, hey, if you're going to be,
and see, this is the process.
This is how I tweet, hmm, Vegas Jamie.
Nope, actually we don't need to tweet at Vegas Jamie.
Okay, if you're gonna be in Vegas during CES,
check out WD Fan Night.
We will be there.
See you there.
Winking smiley face.
You know, if you ever wanna feel ridiculous
about sort of the new age non-classic way
that you type these days, say it out loud to yourself.
Winking smiley face.
How creepy is that?
The winky smiley face is never accidentally put.
No, always intentional.
It's always very intentional.
Always intentional, you know what's actually changed
in meaning a little bit over the last little while
that sort of means I miscommunicate sometimes a little bit?
The sticking out your tongue smiley face
used to be more of a her, her wasn't that silly,
whereas now it seems to be more of a disrespectful
and or dirty thing.
Yeah, some people, I find it depends,
certain people, it's split right now.
I know you used it as a funny thing.
I have a few other friends that use it as a funny thing.
Then I have a whole different category of friends
that are like, it's either insulting or dirty.
So it's split into two and it's really confusing
and I just don't use it.
Because I get so lost as to who I'm talking to
and what opinion they have on it, I'm just like nah.
Because you know what is funny is it depends on the way
that the animation is drawn.
Okay, because when it's just colon and then a P,
it looks kind of like a silly thing
and older chat programs like ICQ and MSN
have a silly animation for it.
Whereas now you look at some of the newer ones
and it looks more like blowing a raspberry.
And I think it really just depends
on how they animate the drawn ones
more than on how the actual ASCII characters look.
I've noticed the most ridiculous one is Google Chat.
All the Google Chat faces are like,
what is even happening here?
I know, I forget what it was.
Open one with me.
Yeah, I'll open one with you but I think it's...
Even that big smiley face is just like, what?
The big smiley face makes no sense to me.
It's like, why?
Why?
And then like the, right.
And then the sticking the tongue out one is like sad.
It's like.
And then there's a slash face one,
which is like, he's, wow.
They look like they're melting.
Hold on, let me just search for something here
so that I won't have to.
That's probably all fine for the most part.
I think it's okay.
All that looks okay.
Okay, I'll screen share.
So this is what we're talking about here
but like these are just ridiculous.
I don't think, yeah.
And for some reason this doesn't even have one
but I'm sure they'd find a way to screw that up.
Surprised one.
That one looks more like a kissing face.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what that's supposed to be.
Let's see, what else is there?
I don't do way too many smiley faces nowadays.
Oh yeah, right, right.
The colon S, which should be confusion.
It's like super sad.
Like super disappoint.
And you know what's funny is the Google Talk ones
used to be really good.
They used to be like little animated ones.
That's colon three.
The crying one is okay but it used to be animated.
It used to be awesome.
Unless that was a labs thing.
Colon three is a cat for whatever reason.
Okay, no that kind of makes sense I guess.
All right, I think we're obviously done the show here
at this point so we should probably just peace out.
Hold up, hold up, hold up.
In the after party we are going to be re-forming
the way that we do build logs.
Oh yeah.
I bet you there's people yelling for build logs right now.
It's crazy and doesn't make a lot of sense
the way we're doing it right now.
So in the after party I'm going to be taking
a whole bunch of suggestions from everyone
and we're going to be cataloging all of those suggestions
and then I'm probably going to have a vote.
We're not necessarily going to use the vote.
I'm just going to see kind of where interest lies
on all the different suggestions.
And then we're going to explore the idea
of changing how we pick build logs
because we have a lot of ideas.
I'm going to throw my ideas into the suggestion list
but we want to get ideas from everyone else.
So link to the after party is twitch.tv
slash luke underscore l-a-f-r.
I'm sure someone will post it in the chat.
But yeah, we're going to talk about that in the after party
and I think, are we doing something else again?
Yes we are.
We have the winner for HTC spare change
for the video entry.
I'm going to tweet out the random entry later on
because frankly I forgot about it.
And I was focused on judging the winner for the video entry.
So this is for an HTC one, which is pretty sweet.
So I'm going to go ahead and download this Excel sheet,
open it, and of course that's going to take its sweet time.
I love how no one actually brought up build logs
until I started talking about it.
And now everyone is spamming build logs.
Get the build logs.
But I obviously don't have any because we're reforming it.
So I don't know what you want me to do.
I hate this about Excel.
Oh, this is so ridiculous.
When something is so wide that you can't scroll
to the end of it because it just goes way past it.
Yeah.
Love that.
All right, so we're going to go ahead and show some
of the honorable mentions before we show the winners.
So this first one is from Panda Diablo on the forum,
also known as Lard Tart Productions.
Lard Tart enters all of our giveaways,
as far as I can tell, and is always a finalist.
Oh, I kept the first for another day,
yet knowing how a way leads on the way,
I doubt it if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh,
somewhere ages and ages hence,
two roads diverged in a wood.
And I, I took the one less traveled by,
and that has made all the difference.
So the theme was change, and this is, you know,
changing your, changing your diet, I guess.
You know, trying to lead a healthier lifestyle.
You know, I think we should end the stream,
and then we should come back.
True.
And we should finish this up.
So anyway, we'll do our, we'll do our outro,
and then we'll be back in like a couple minutes.
Yep.