I have this anxiety of the things I didn't do.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
To the Wan Show.
To the Wan Show.
We've got a fantastic show for you guys today.
We are back in the studio,
back bringing you the latest in tech.
And boy, do I ever have some stuff
to talk to you guys about.
I have tried the OLED Switch now.
Oh.
And I'm ready to talk about my experiences.
I did not get to host the short circuit
because I was busy doing other stuff today and it sucks,
but I did manage to go crash Anthony's party and try it out.
So I'm gonna talk about that.
That's cool.
Also, I ended up entering a feud with TeamViewer
over this last week,
because I've kind of had to do a little bit more
remote desktop-y type stuff.
I'm reformatting my personal rig, as you guys know.
Maybe we'll give you some updates
on the Linux gaming challenge.
We don't want any spoilers, obviously,
but we are gonna be talking about that.
What else we got today, Luke?
I'm gonna scroll down.
Twitch has leaked, just like the whole thing.
And Luke in particular.
I mean, you might've noticed he works
on a video streaming service.
So I'm sure he has an interest
in the contents of the Twitch leak.
Also our headline topic.
I didn't say it, so you better say it.
Steam tech.
Oh yeah.
I thought you talked about that earlier,
but I guess not.
Valve dangles Steam Deck internals in front of all of us.
They show us all the insides, how to remove some of it.
And they announced some very cool things
for Right to Repair.
And I was getting called out
on our title for the video today.
I have more to say about Steam Deck.
This is in the pre-show.
Do you really have more to say, Linus?
No, but I am not the only host of the WAN show.
Hey, there we go.
Okay, Luke, this is a new leaf, okay?
New set, new attitude, new Luke first show.
I'm not even gonna do it.
I'm not even gonna talk for the rest of the show.
You go ahead.
That's rough.
You go ahead.
Well, run the intro.
You can do that without talking.
No, I can't do it.
You can't even hold it.
You can't even hold it for the intro video.
You look like it's gonna explode.
You guys didn't even see it, but it was there.
All right, I'm talking again.
Oh wait, okay, let me see if I can figure out.
Jake showed me how this is supposed to work, I think.
I thought they were supposed to be up there by default.
No, I don't think so.
There we go.
The show is brought to you by Honey,
as well as Seasonic, as well as SquashBiz.
Now, I toggle those back.
Okay, this is really not that great.
That's fine.
Let's go back to the white.
All right, let's jump right into our headline topic today.
Valve dangles Steam Deck internals in front of users,
says, no touchy.
This was prepared by Anthony Young, sort of.
It's a little complicated.
So Luke, did you watch Valve's video?
Yeah.
All right, what are your thoughts?
I had the same thought you had,
partway through watching through the actual just video
before I watched you guys watch the video.
You watched both.
I did.
So you watched an actual video,
then you watched someone else react to the video.
I didn't know you guys were gonna react to it.
How does it feel to be Gen Z all of a sudden?
Well, I watched you guys react to it
because I was looking for a float plane showed out.
Yes.
So I watched it at like one and a half speed or something.
Right, okay.
But anyways, I watched the original video and it was good.
I'm very happy they made it.
The other option was, oh no,
there's two other options as you kind of talked about.
So I'm happy they made it.
They picked like the middle option.
Not making it would have been worse.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think they should have worked with you guys.
Ah, yeah.
And like for a lot of the same reasons,
like I'm watching, we had the same reactions.
Like the, okay, we're gonna unplug the battery
and then the battery's randomly plugged back in.
We're gonna show like the thumb sticks out
and then thumb sticks are gonna be back in randomly.
It's just like, ah, like the cutting was a little weird.
But again, I really don't wanna hammer on them
too much for it because at least they made it at all.
Now here's something though.
I ended up getting called out in the comments
under that video.
I think I had a couple of people tweet at me saying,
Linus, you didn't even understand, okay.
It was like satirical.
It's like the portal sense of humor.
And I'm sitting here going, no, it's not.
No, I don't think so.
And again, I mean, it wasn't a horrible video.
No.
It just could have been better.
Yeah.
And like to be clear,
they did obviously have a sense of humor about it.
This is funny.
We actually missed this in our reaction video
because we thought it was over.
But at the very end of the video,
they say something along the lines of,
and if you've been following all of these instructions,
you won't have done any of that stuff.
And then they close out the video.
So absolutely they had a sense of humor about it,
but I guarantee you that it was not intentional
for them to be working on the machine
with the battery plugged in.
After they specifically said, unplug the battery
in order to work on the machine,
because that is actually very important.
It seemed like they shot everything.
Yeah.
And then voice over it,
and it really didn't line up all that well.
Yes.
So they had to like cut it kind of oddly.
Yes.
I thought the presenter was like actually pretty good.
But anyways, it was an exciting video.
Him specifically calling out,
and I heard it as well.
He only really specified,
I think it was the thumb sticks.
Yeah.
But any amount of like replaceable parts
is gonna be really cool.
And especially the thumb sticks.
Yeah.
Because like, and I believe Anthony called this out,
but thumb sticks on things like the switch, like, oh my.
I mean, another thing I got called out for
was sort of pretending that joystick drift
is somehow a Nintendo exclusive image.
Oh no.
Problem, issue.
That's the word I was looking for.
And no, that, I mean, it's certainly a very famous one.
It's certainly been a huge problem in very recent memory.
But to be clear, joystick drift is an enormous problem
no matter what kind of joysticks.
And someone in the comments put it really well.
They're like, no, no.
Joystick problem, joystick drift,
joystick failure is a problem for joysticks.
Yeah.
Every joystick will fail
and it's kind of inherent to the design.
You know what finally failed
is my old Thrustmaster Top Gun.
Oh no way.
Yeah, it wasn't working the last time I tried to use it
and I opened it up.
I was like, okay, so these are just potentiometers.
Is this something that I can,
a few short Google searches later.
Nope, no PNG.
If I really want another one of these,
eBay is the way, I will just buy another one
because you know what the problem is,
is at the time that was bought for me as a kid, right?
I was like seven or eight years old
or something like that, maybe nine.
And it was kind of a small joystick
so that I could use it as a kid.
Well, nowadays, any high quality joystick,
because the joystick market has consolidated a lot.
There used to be tons of vendors,
all kinds of high quality sticks
because joystick games were far more popular.
I mean, MechWarrior was like maybe not triple A,
but at least a single A, double A title.
I also think while like Microsoft Flight Simulator
is like a thing today,
it was, I would say proportionally
a much bigger thing in the past.
Yeah, I think that's fair to say as well.
So that whole genre of space sims and flight sims
was enormous back then.
And so we had all these options.
Anyway, the problem that I have now
is that every high quality joystick
is really designed for adult hands.
And so I just, I don't, I can't reach all the buttons.
It sucks.
I find a lot of the high quality ones,
like the Warthog, which is a really nice one.
It's very heavy.
And like the grip is one thing, but it's very heavy.
And that can almost result in it being slower.
I think we talked about this before.
The Top Gun is really fast.
Twitch reactions were really good with it.
To get back to the joystick drift,
I think the reason why I kind of jumped
to Nintendo right away is one,
I think the Switch controllers probably get abused
a lot more than other controllers.
Yeah, that's fair.
Just slipped into a backpack.
Shoved in bags and stuff like that.
And also Switch controllers are really expensive.
So I think you got a little bit of a combination.
I'm not trying to like hammer on Nintendo specifically,
but I think it's a problem.
I mean, we can hammer on Nintendo for their controllers
being way too expensive for what they are.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
So that's why that like immediately came to mind
is if there was a more easily user fixable Joy-Con thing,
that would be great.
That would be really, really cool.
Elimination, Twitch TV says no.
MechWarrior 2 was definitely AAA back in the day.
Everyone played it back then.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
So other than that, I mean,
is there anything else to really say
other than good guy, good guy Valve?
What do you think that they could do better, if anything?
I'd like to know,
and like maybe this can come down the line,
but I'd like to know the full list
of like replaceable hardware that they're gonna be offering.
You guys mentioned probably not the PCBs, whatever.
I don't know, but I would like to know specifically
what the offer actually is.
Sure.
I think that would be cool.
And that's, I mean, that's going to happen
because eventually they'll have to make them available
somewhere and then that's your list.
But yeah, no, I think it's good.
Something I said to you after I had watched that video
was that I'm really stoked that like
from between the framework and now this,
and there's a topic we're gonna be talking about
later on in the show that has to do with Microsoft,
which is really exciting.
There's a lot of brands that are making repairability
a selling point.
I'm completely okay with that.
Right to repair and repairability are things
that I am very happy to be sold to me,
to be completely honest.
Now here's my challenge for Valve.
I think they've done a really great job with the Steam Deck.
So I don't really have anything to add to that.
I think committing to replaceable components
and designing it from the ground up
to be more easily repairable is great, A plus.
Now take that philosophy and apply it
to your other bloody products.
I had an issue with an index controller a little while ago
where what happened was definitely not my fault,
couldn't have been me, but one of the joysticks,
like the topper of it, the actual joystick itself
was no longer attached to the controller.
Did you hit something?
I mean, with the cut.
With your beat saver?
Luke, I'm trying to tell a story here.
I'm trying.
Okay, keep going.
I actually, I don't remember, I didn't notice doing it.
I don't remember doing it, but because I never,
ever used them, it could have been missing for weeks
and I wouldn't have even noticed, right?
Because what would I use a joystick for?
All I do is waggle my arms around like this, right?
And so everything is a pointing interface.
I literally don't touch the joysticks ever.
Anyway, the point is I contacted Valve Support.
I was like, hey, look, I just want a new joystick.
The ribbon cable is still intact
and the sensor is still there.
I just, do you, I'll buy it.
I recognize that this was 99% my fault.
I own that, but I would like to,
how do I get replacement parts for it?
And they're like, we will send you an entirely new controller.
So obviously as a customer,
I'm perfectly happy with that solution
because it means that I get a new controller
and I can start playing beat saber again,
but I also have to wonder, okay,
what happens to that controller?
And it's not just replaceable parts that will wear,
or that could fall off,
that could be broken like a joystick.
It's also batteries, right?
Like every device with a lithium battery in it
is going to be e-waste in 10 years.
It is that simple.
It will.
And that's one of the reasons that people ride on Microsoft
about using AA batteries in their controllers.
But that is in my humble opinion,
that is Microsoft having the bravery to,
in spite of public opinion, do the right thing.
Because if you care about the environment at all,
you should be getting AA rechargeable batteries
and using them for years and years and years
instead of putting disposable batteries in it.
Cause I see that argument made like,
oh, Microsoft is being so irresponsible
because disposable batteries, landfills, Xbox controllers.
Just stop buying the ones that you can't recharge.
The really shocking part to me
is how inexpensive rechargeable batteries are now.
Why is anyone ever buying a disposable AA battery
in the year 2021?
Yeah, you can even buy ones where you like,
you flip the top open.
The capacity sucks.
Do they?
Yeah, the capacity sucks.
How long are you playing with an Xbox controller for?
Yeah, just, it's really low.
It's really low.
Cause cells are, they're packed tight.
I don't remember what I used it in,
but I had some for years and I thought they were fine.
Hold on, AmazonBasics AA batteries, okay?
Rechargeable, here we go.
How much are these stupid things?
I don't know what PowerOwl is.
Okay, so a 16 pack of 2000 milliamp hour AA batteries
from Amazon is $22 and 99 cents.
Okay, a 20 pack of alkalines, disposables.
And then there's also no waiting
cause you can just hot-swap.
A 20 pack of disposables is $8.
You only have to use them three times.
I don't even, you know,
it used to be that when I gave away kids toys
and stuff like that,
I would painstakingly open up every single one
and double check and make sure
that I didn't leave my rechargeable batteries in it.
And I still try to empty them
because you're not supposed to leave them
with a battery in it.
But if there's something at the bottom of the pile
and I'm like, oh, did I check that one?
I'm not gonna worry about it too much these days
cause they are literally like a $1.25 each.
And we still have Sanyo Eneloops here at the office
that we still use for our mic packs
that have been in service for almost 10 years.
Yeah.
Yes, they don't last quite as long.
Oh, I'm sorry, but I think that Microsoft
has done the right thing to continue with AA batteries.
And I think that they should never take flack
for releasing a device here, there, this is my hot take.
Nobody should ever get pushback for releasing a device
that uses standard, easily replaceable batteries.
Yeah, that have rechargeable options,
which they basically all do.
Which they basically all do.
I mean, you can even get decent rechargeable nine volts now.
So that's what we use for,
we have a microphone that has a wireless receiver
that uses nine volts.
And so we just, we have rechargeable nine volts now.
It just blows me away.
It blows me away that anyone,
like I have Xbox 360, Luke, you were over the other day.
And he's like, oh, this is nice.
It was nice.
Yeah, cause I have Xbox 360 controllers
that are still in service
and still get exactly the same battery life
that they did 12 years ago
because I put new batteries in them.
It's not rocket science.
It's great.
And Eneloop's like, yeah,
Eneloop's are a little bit more premium,
but they're honestly still,
how much did you say the 16 pack was?
The 16 pack, are Eneloop still around?
I thought Sanyo sold the Eneloop.
They seem still around, they're Panasonic now.
Okay, that makes sense.
The 16 pack was $23.
Okay, so I don't know how many are in here.
It doesn't say, but it's a fairly,
yeah, 16 for 40.
Even that is perfectly reasonable.
I would say those aren't the pros or whatever,
but those are gonna be premium batteries.
You only have to get five uses out of them and that's it.
Now there's certain devices that sometimes I'll just go,
you know what, it's not worth it.
Like a TV remote control.
Rechargeable batteries do tend to drain faster on their own,
like just passively.
They're a lot better now than they used to be
back in the nickel metal hydride.
Nickel cadmium, I guess,
was some of the earlier rechargeable batteries.
Cause remember our hydra devices back then,
the big one was digital cameras.
And so when you would load up your four AA batteries
into the grip of it or whatever,
and you'd get like,
oh my man, I'm taken back, Luke.
I'm taken back.
It used to be a thing,
and this would have probably been before your time.
You probably would have been too young
and not caring about digital cameras yet by this point.
Cause you're like four years younger than me,
something like that.
So when I was like 14, so you would have been 10,
so it probably wouldn't matter.
Digital cameras on the store shelf used to have
as part of their spec sheet,
how many shots you could take.
Yeah, I remember that.
Okay, you do remember that.
And it would be substantially less with rechargeables
because the rechargeables of the day
had really poor capacity they took forever to charge
and they would drain while you were not using them.
Nowadays, it's not nearly as bad.
Although there are devices like a TV remote
where you will get three or four years sometimes
out of a single change of batteries.
And it's, you would just be constantly changing out
your rechargeables compared to how often
you would have to put in disposable.
So there are situations where I do get lazy
and use disposables rather than just buying more and more
and more rechargeables for my entire house.
But it really doesn't,
it really doesn't come up that often anymore.
Right, yeah.
I don't even remember,
I don't even remember what we were talking about anymore.
We were talking about something to do with the valve deck.
The index, the index controller.
And I don't even know,
I don't even know that the right answer
with the index controller is to put,
to put AA batteries in it.
It would probably be too heavy.
With that said, I mean, Oculus managed it,
but the index controller also has a lot more functionality
than the Oculus, than the Oculus controllers do.
Yeah, so maybe that's not the right answer,
but having it be easily accessible
with a little screw panel so that you could at least
not throw away the entire controller would help.
Cause you can, I know, I know like my brother
and some other people that I know have,
have had wireless headphones
and they replace those lithium ion batteries anyways.
Sometimes with ones that are even bigger and stuff,
which is kind of nice.
All right, so Anthony has a few notes in here
about the SSD.
Valve claims it shouldn't be upgraded.
It has an EMI shield on it
that is right next to the wifi module or the wifi antennas.
Would you buy a third party backing
that allows you to put a larger SSD in it?
Would that just be like, have you pre-ordered one?
Yeah.
Actually you have, okay.
Okay, so then.
I pre-ordered one the day we talked about it on Wancho.
As a future.
I actually pre-ordered it in the background
while we were still on Wancho
because I wanted to not get too late in the queue.
All right, I'll allow it, I'll allow it, I'll allow it.
So then, okay.
If someone makes something like that available,
do you plan to buy it?
Um, not immediately
because I would self-analyze my use case
to see if I actually really needed.
Eight terabyte Steam Deck anyone?
But like, do I, am I,
my games drive on my computer isn't even that full.
I guess that's fair.
You're mostly like a play a game and then.
Move on.
Move on kind of player, aren't you?
Yeah, I guess that's fair.
For most of the things that I tend to go back to
are usually like indie games that are tiny.
Gondomar says, WTF, Luke bought something.
It must be really good.
Holy shit.
I'm pretty excited for the Steam Deck.
I think it's gonna be really cool.
Now, I think that transitions us pretty well
into our next topic here,
which is obviously going to be getting you guys an update
on the Linux gaming challenge.
If you guys have been checking out the stories
that I've been uploading on the LTT channel,
there's a couple of little early teasers in there,
but okay, without giving away too many spoilers,
I think it's, we've both recorded our,
or we've at least got down what we're gonna say
in our pre-installation blurbs.
Cause the first video is gonna be me sort of talking
about the process of getting started.
So I actually, it's like 500, 600 words.
And I go through, I've got a rant about how utterly useless
every best Linux distro listicle is.
It's kind of hilarious.
There's this one, man, this is gonna be too many spoilers.
I don't even care.
Let's just, let's talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
I read through one where you're already ready for this.
I know it.
Under Ubuntu, okay, you've got,
you've got that it's easy to use and beginner friendly
and kind of a pain to set up.
How can you have, this is the same listicle, okay?
It has pros, easy to use, beginner friendly, cons,
kind of a pain to set up, which one is it?
I found a few, I found a few YouTube videos.
I wish I could remember the creator names from
cause they're actually quite good.
But what I found was more useful was if I was comparing
two very specific DEs or two very specific distros.
Now that's another thing.
So it came down to like something more narrow.
Everything's full of jargon.
So you just said DE, what is a DE?
If I didn't know anything, if I didn't know enough
about the modularity of Linux, for example,
if I was really coming at this
from a just normal gamer perspective
and people started talking about DEs,
even if they didn't shorten it to DEs,
even if they said desktop environment.
You'd probably think it was the distro
they were talking about.
And to be fair for most people,
like I would argue that when most people think about,
say Mint, they're just automatically mentally bundling in
that you're using Cinnamon.
I would argue that when most people are talking about Solus,
they're thinking of Budgie.
When they're talking about Ubuntu,
they're thinking about Gnome.
Like, yes, you can have other ones.
A lot of these come packaged with other ones.
They can get Ubuntu Budgie, but like most people,
if they just say Ubuntu,
are probably talking about Ubuntu with Gnome.
Sure.
So the first bit is me sort of,
it ends up a little ranty,
cause it's just ridiculous.
Coming in as an absolute no nothing.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised
if you immediately read one article and go, forget this.
This is too much.
I think the distro and desktop environment selection process
is probably too daunting alone for the average user.
And so after that, I basically,
I talk about what the process was like for me.
I run through what my plan is,
and then we're gonna cut to Luke.
He talks through what his plan is.
And then I don't know if I told you this,
but Anthony is going to listen to each of our plans.
No, no, he doesn't get to talk to us.
So part of the whole challenge is that Luke and I
have to do this the way a normal user would.
I mean, I've had developers reach out,
multiple developers from major distributions to talk to me
because obviously they want me to use their stuff.
And not just that,
they don't just want me to use their stuff
because it's a good marketing exercise.
I think they're just really proud of their work.
And so they should be.
And I think that's probably very genuinely a thing
with the open source community.
Absolutely.
I would 100% give them that.
Absolutely.
But that's not representative
of the normal person's experience.
And in order to be the best that I can be,
in order to be the best ally that I can be
for the open source community and for the Linux community,
I should try to tackle this as a normal user should.
And I should be able to give my honest feedback
without someone preemptively guiding me through.
So even though we are gonna have Anthony there
for the benefit of the viewers,
Anthony doesn't get to talk to us.
Interesting. Okay, cool.
Yeah, no, 100%.
So from there-
I wanna address one thing before we go forward
cause I saw another comment about it.
Yeah.
I think I spread it further when I tweeted out
like which four of these distros
do people think I should use?
Yeah.
And I included Fedora
and then in brackets for the meme.
I don't mean that Fedora the distro is a meme.
I mean that Fedora the name is a meme.
It really is a meme.
Come on guys.
Like we use it.
We use it.
It's good.
It's really stable.
It's great.
Just the name is a meme.
Okay. Okay.
Sorry. Let's keep going.
All right.
So I mean, oh my God, even the Red Hat logo.
Yes.
Like-
Yes.
Like come on guys.
Clearly self-aware.
Clearly at least some of the people at Red Hat
are self-aware.
Anyway, the point is after that,
so after Anthony critiques our plans,
it goes into a vlog
and I don't know how you shot your portion,
but mine is me with like my phone and no,
okay, there'll be some spoilers.
Not too many spoilers,
but I end up back and forth between my desktop
and my server room,
which is on the other side of the wall
where my machine is actually plugged in.
A fair bit.
Oh wow.
A fair bit.
Okay.
Cause I mean, you gotta remember,
you gotta remember you can't take anything for granted.
Right?
I'm a thunderbolt dog for literally all of my peripherals.
Someone at Floatplane brought up
that that might be an issue.
I have a very, very unusual setup.
Definitely.
All of my audio is routed through a GoXLR,
a device that has quite literally zero acknowledgement
from the manufacturer of the fact that Linux exists at all.
And all this Elgato stuff.
I don't actually have a ton of Elgato stuff at home.
I've got my key lights,
but key lights,
my workaround is going to be using the phone app,
which they do have.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Okay.
I can't be giving you too many hints.
We've got to work through these problems on our own.
I have another solution already.
Do you?
Okay.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
So Elgato key lights,
I have those and I have a stream deck, but.
I'm just sad I wasted time now, but anyways.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't use my stream deck.
So.
Yeah.
I don't really care.
Yeah.
Anyway, the point is,
I, oh, okay.
I'm not gonna.
Okay.
Part one.
The part one challenge is to install Linux,
choose a distro,
install Linux and play a game.
That's it.
It took me longer to find the screw for the M.2 drive
than it did for me to finish the entire first challenge.
Okay.
I am a smart boy
and I keep all my M.2 screws in my motherboard.
Even when I get a brand new board,
I take all the M.2 screws and I put them in.
It was your motherboard.
It wasn't there.
Really?
Yeah.
Well.
Bro.
I did it with my new machine.
So I have all my M.2 screws.
Oh, it's the, that ASRock Aqua one.
Isn't it?
Hey, look, price was right.
Oh, it was fantastic.
I'm still stoked.
I'm not complaining.
Your computer was free, sir.
I was only using it as like a reference
that I did the rest of it relatively quickly.
Show off.
Anyway, the point is I did not get it done that quickly.
Okay.
So part one is to play a game.
I actually did not, strictly speaking,
complete the part one challenge in like three hours.
Not strictly speaking.
Not strictly speaking because my intention,
when I actually created the original,
here, I'm not signed into Trello on this machine,
but when I created the original,
like Trello list of all the parts of this series,
part one is supposed to be install and play a game
on the distro of your choice.
Part two is supposed to be,
I got to pull up Trello here
because I can't remember exactly.
I think it was, yeah.
Install like Steam and play a game.
Linus was-
Because Steam was the easy one.
Okay.
Part two is get your game streaming
set up working perfectly.
So mics, levels, capture, camera.
I have to get a VPN working so that I can download assets,
like just sort of general use stuff.
Part three is get as many game launchers running as possible
and run a game on them.
So we're aiming to get as many of the big ones as we can,
and even maybe some smaller ones.
Part four is going to be fun.
I've talked to James about this now,
and it's going to be, hey, by the way,
gaming is not the only thing you do.
Do some other stuff.
So we're going to have challenges
like edit a quick video together, create a document,
zip up some files and send them to someone,
print something, watch Netflix,
something to do with Excel.
And don't do any of those things now.
Don't get ahead of yourself on that one.
No practicing for that one.
Okay, that one I'm not ahead on.
Okay.
The other ones I am.
All right, okay.
Well, I'm ahead on some of the streaming stuff too.
Okay, okay.
So I'm already working on it.
I'm just making a lot of notes
because I think it's going to end up
being a lot of screen capture
and a lot of like kind of ranting about stuff.
So as long as you're making notes
and as long as you're screen recording as often as you can,
then I think we're in pretty good shape.
That was one of the reasons actually
that I got some of the streaming stuff going.
Yeah, that's the same for me.
Before I even finished challenge one.
Oh, wow.
Because I wanted to be able to screen cap.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Right?
Fortunately OBS is a thing and mostly operates the same.
So I was able to get that going.
And then part five,
I think is honestly just going to be the conclusion, right?
So we summarize and we make an ultimate decision
about whether to go back to Windows or not.
Talk about killer apps that we miss.
Talk about killer apps on Linux that we're going to miss.
What are the things we found that we really enjoyed?
What are the things we hated?
So now let's get back to part one
and talk about how it is that I did not manage
to complete the challenge.
When I wrote this down.
Right, right.
That was why I brought my phone out.
I wrote part one,
get Linux or actually GNU slash Linux
and play a game with sound.
That's what it says verbatim because yes,
I even make jokes when I'm the only one
who will ever read them.
I couldn't get sound working.
Sound.
Couldn't get sound working.
I've heard.
It magically fixed itself the next day.
I didn't do anything different.
And I have screen capture of it not working
and then it magically works.
I promise you I did nothing.
And it's Linux so it probably didn't update itself
because it would wait for you to ask you to do the laptop.
Okay, there we go.
That's interesting.
Yeah, I remember like way back,
one of my times using Linux, like way in the past,
getting sound stuff working on one of my laptops
was quite a hurdle.
But this time I just had to change the device.
It was actually...
Yeah.
I was pretty lucky.
I had some challenges.
I had some challenges.
Okay, so tell me this.
Tell me this at least.
I've already got a killer app on the Linux side, by the way.
Proprietary or open source and video driver?
Proprietary.
You went with the proprietary driver?
Yeah.
It's a piece of crap.
Yes, it is.
I'm struggling with it right now.
It's kind of shocking.
I haven't done enough of it
and I wanna do a lot of documentation of it actually,
including some benchmarks that I wanna throw in
that I think might be kind of fun.
I know it's not part of the challenge,
but it might be interesting anyways,
of like the,
what am I pronouncing?
Novu?
Novu?
I don't know.
The open source driver, whatever.
So that one versus 470 versus 460,
which are the two official video drivers.
Right, sure.
But like I've had some issues for sure.
Yeah.
That would be-
It just feels gross.
Like, I don't know.
Have you like thrown windows around
and done stuff like that?
A little bit.
I've noticed that compared to my windows experience,
things are a little bit more like.
Yes.
Yeah.
Even with like,
do you have the refresh rate fixed?
I managed to get my refresh rate sorted out pretty quickly.
That was one of the first things I did
cause I get triggered when my screen
is running at 60 Hertz these days.
Yeah, it was really apparent.
Yeah.
I thought that was the whole problem at first.
It felt worse.
Like 60 Hertz felt worse than 60 Hertz.
Yes.
But now that I'm at 120, it's totally fine.
What about G-Sync?
I haven't verified that it's running.
I have verified that it's running.
Okay.
But I cannot find a toggle.
If for whatever reason I wanted to turn it off.
Interesting.
So that's where I'm at on that.
Cause remember like my,
someone in the YouTube chat pointed out,
and this is very true.
My setup is super cutting edge and exotic in a lot of ways.
Like G-Sync over HDMI is,
you might think, yeah, G-Sync, that's not new technology,
but G-Sync over HDMI only came up really
in the last year or two.
Yeah, you have quite a few unique challenges.
And a year or two is not a long time
if you don't have really excellent cooperation
from the manufacturer to get something working in Linux.
Yeah.
Especially when it's super high end,
because the priority for Linux in general,
in my, from my perception is openness and sustainability,
not like cutting edge gaming.
And that's just the way it is.
So a lot of the cutting edge gaming stuff that I have
and that I do is just not going to be a priority
for most Linux developers.
Now, the reason we're doing this challenge
is that it's hopefully changing.
And the Steam Deck is a big part of that.
That's why we transitioned from talking about Steam Deck
to this, because Steam Deck will be running Linux.
Yeah.
But it's gonna take time.
Another thing someone brought up
is you're also running an Nvidia GPU, right?
Yeah.
So we almost certainly would have had an easier time
on both sides if we were running AMD GPUs.
Yeah, possibly.
But then I wouldn't be running G-Sync at all.
Actually, I'm thinking, yeah,
FreeSync over HDMI is a thing on that monitor.
Oh, actually, I don't know.
It's not the LG TV, it's AORUS's monitor.
I have no idea how it behaves with FreeSync.
Not sure.
No idea.
But yeah, there's a lot of differences when it comes down
to hardware.
I was even kind of wondering,
I don't think a Titan RTX is a super common card.
No, but it's similar enough to the 2000 series.
It's basically a 2080 Ti,
which is basically a jacked up 2080.
I'm not actually expecting that to be a problem for me.
I will tell you though, just, man, I don't know what it is.
I think I just, I attract misery sometimes.
The first game I tried to play, I was like,
oh, I've really been enjoying Cave Story Plus.
It's an older game.
It's Linux native, got a Linux native client.
First game I picked has issues
with launching off to the side, okay?
So like part of the frame was cut off,
has issues with controller support.
The sound wasn't working.
And for whatever reason, this particular game,
not every game, other ones are fine.
Cross-code was fine, Broforce was fine.
This particular game doesn't support
cross-platform cloud saves on Steam.
So I had no sound, couldn't see part of the frame,
couldn't use my controller and my save file was gone.
So that was my very first Linux gaming experience
on my new machines.
I definitely ran into the cross-platform cloud saves thing.
That's unfortunate.
That didn't really make it into my notes.
Okay, well, it's in mine, so.
Just for me, that wasn't like starting to game on Linux.
That was specifically transferring from Windows to Linux,
which I guess is part of it, but yeah, I don't know.
Either way, first game I launched was FTL,
had none of those issues, just didn't have my save.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
But it worked, yeah.
So, yeah.
There's been a lot of, yeah.
Have you tried another launcher?
Another launcher, sorry, what do you mean by launcher?
Like Bnet, Origin?
Oh no, no, no, not yet.
I haven't even gotten as far as playing games
with Proton yet.
I'm not, I've only put maybe,
well, remember, first I put three hours
into getting Cave Story running with no sound.
I did manage to fix the off kilter rendering.
I ran in Steam big picture mode.
What I was trying to diagnose at the time
was actually the controller support.
I was like, oh, well, big picture.
You just solved it.
Part of big picture's whole jam is,
just making it super easy for controllers
to work in Steam games and in the interface.
So I figure, okay, if I go right into it from the interface,
I think the controller issue ended up being kind of pepcak
and I was just kind of overwhelmed by all the other issues
that had cropped up in this game.
Like I think I didn't select controller
before trying to rebind my thing.
Like it's kind of a weird interface that that game has.
But anyway, I-
It can be sometimes a little hard to differentiate
between pepcak and the user experience
just being pretty rough.
Yeah, so I did solve the off center thing
with Steam big picture.
It would go right dead center.
And then I tried it again, not in big picture,
and it was off to the right again.
And then the next day, when I came back
and sound was working,
it launched without big picture dead center.
And I was like,
okay.
All right.
I'm gonna play this game a little bit.
Yeah, that's cool.
Oh man.
The launcher experience is interesting.
That's all I'll say.
Launcher experience.
Okay, well, hey, I have that to look forward to.
Make sure you're working on the challenges
kind of one at a time though, Luke,
otherwise things are gonna end up kind of sloppy.
I only added one other launcher, to be fair.
Okay, all right, all right.
And I was just, I was very curious.
I haven't gamed on Linux at all before.
Basically every time I've installed it,
it's been on a laptop and it was for school.
Right.
So they were always for like software development
or just like studying education and productivity stuff
in general anyways.
So is it Lutris?
Yeah.
Lutris is like super cool and very powerful.
And I don't want to add too much more to it.
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
But I was very curious in like trying out Lutris
because I've never tried it before.
These are my notes for part two already,
just to give you some idea.
I mean, honestly-
I'm kind of getting worried
my size just be really boring.
A lot of it's, well, maybe that'll be refreshing
for the Linux community,
because honestly I can tell you right now,
the Linux community is going to absolutely hate my part one.
They are going to hate it.
And some of them will probably hate me
because you just, honestly, I couldn't,
I couldn't write some of the stuff that happened to me.
Like I couldn't make it up.
Truth was stranger than fiction.
And the thing is, anytime I say anything,
whether it's positive or whether it's negative,
there's going to be a small subset of users
who are going to say he's shilling for this
or trashing that or whatever, he's got some agenda,
he's got some hidden motivation, right?
And I guarantee it now, mark my words,
someone who didn't watch the show,
didn't see me make this prediction,
is going to accuse me of fabricating
some of the things that went wrong for me.
To make it more dramatic.
To make it dramatic or to dunk on Linux or whatever,
maybe they think that Bill Gates' vaccine
in my 5G reception is making me chill for a bit.
I don't know, I can't put myself
in the head of these people,
but I guarantee you that based on my experience,
someone will not believe how badly it went for me
and will find a way to make it about my hidden agenda here.
And then hopefully, yeah, hopefully my side does,
at least my part one, because I haven't done the rest of it,
so maybe we'll switch sides later on.
But hopefully my part one does contrast that
because the biggest problems that I had
required sometimes slightly more than,
but pretty much just a restart.
Right.
That was pretty much it.
I was surprised how much I have to restart on Linux.
Windows has kind of fixed that.
There is some stuff you can get,
I don't remember exactly what it's called,
but there's a live updating tool
that makes it so you don't have to restart.
Yeah, I don't know.
I was just surprised.
I booted up and was just doing stuff,
nothing with a brand new fresh image.
It was like, hey, you need to restart your computer
because we did some stuff.
Oh, really?
Okay.
I mean, yeah, I guess Windows does it all the time too.
I guess I just don't notice because it just schedules it
and then just runs it in the middle of the night.
We did some stuff, like it did it automatically?
Yeah.
Okay.
We're having a very different experience.
Pfft.
I'll just say that much.
Nothing happened automatically on my side,
which was, I mean, I haven't revealed
what distro and desktop environment I'm using yet,
but that is gonna be part of it.
This is great.
H77, Linus, the Linux community is here to help,
not slam a new user.
We are here for you.
Ah.
That's rich.
Get it?
Yeah.
Yes, you know what?
I'm sure that it's a minority of extremely toxic users,
just like any fan community.
There's gonna be a minority of really toxic users.
There's just, there's a special kind of toxic gatekeeping
that seems to go on in the Linux community.
Absolutely.
You're gonna get called out in this video.
Sorry.
There is extreme, there's a lot of extremes.
There's toxic gatekeeping and then there's people
that will just like stop at nothing to try to make sure
that you know the door is open as wide as possible.
Yeah.
And sometimes to your detriment.
Like, no, no, it's really good.
It's really good.
It's really good.
There's no problems ever.
I'll help you.
You can call me anytime, night or day.
It's like, right, but I don't want to talk to you
for three hours a day.
Yeah, I just want to use my computer.
I don't want this to work.
Is there anything so far,
and maybe this is going too much into it,
but is there anything so far that you've really liked
or has gone really well?
Hold on, SpeedStyle says the Linux community
is here for you now until they see your video
and can't wait to correct everything you should have done.
Yeah.
Yeah, pretty much.
So it's not so much that I've seen things
that I absolutely love about Linux.
As much as I've been reminded that I should really make sure
that I'm not coming at this
from a completely one-sided standpoint,
and my rants should include rants about Windows.
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Something I complained about with Linux in general
is that there's a dozen different ways to do things.
And from a normal person perspective,
I don't want a dozen different ways to do the same thing.
I don't want that.
I want one good, fast way, maybe an alternate way
in the event that that way is not working.
Like, you know, looking at you, Finder,
you know how you can't manually refresh the contents
of a folder in Finder because it should just work?
Yeah, it should, but sometimes it doesn't.
It doesn't, yeah.
And it needs a refresh button, Apple.
Anyway, the point is, I pointed that out.
Like, I found something that drove me really bananas.
And I pointed out that Microsoft has actually done
an astonishingly bad job of that.
They started transitioning to their new style control panel
with Windows 8.
Windows 8 was when they started transitioning
to remember the new control panel.
Yeah, when did Windows 8 come out?
Windows 8 released, it's like 2008 or something?
2012, okay, 2012.
This was nine years ago.
Nine years ago, Windows came out
with this new control panel.
There is still core functionality in Windows 11,
nine years later that you have to go
into the classic control panel for.
So make up your mind, Microsoft.
Do we do it this way or do we do it that way?
Just let me have the classic control panel,
in my opinion, but yeah.
Exactly, well, that's a whole separate conversation.
I ran into another thing where I had just like,
I signed into Steam and all my like friend requests
and crap popped up in the bottom right corner
and I couldn't see anything in the bottom right corner
or click on anything until it went away.
Like, yeah, this is a terrible experience.
It happens to be exactly the same
terrible experience on Windows.
I haven't tried it on 11 yet,
but on Windows 10, it's exactly the same way.
If you get like a handful of notifications at a time,
it's limited, I think it's three,
and then they go away and there's not enough time to click
and it stacks back up again and you just can't click
anything in your system tray until they're gone.
It's horrible, it's like the people using it never,
it's like the people designing the product never used it.
It's that kind of thing.
Like I searched for, this is great,
I searched for Explorer, okay,
in the start menu of one of our ingestations
to shoot a completely unrelated video yesterday.
And get this, guess what the top highlighted best match was?
Well, okay, first of all, what do you think I wanted?
I'm assuming you wanted like,
actually, I don't know, why would you search Explorer?
Explorer? Yeah.
Well, what, like, what do you think
I might've been trying to do?
My brain immediately jumped to like
the starting web browser, but that's Edge these days.
So File Explorer, but why don't you tell me?
I wanted File Explorer. Yeah, okay.
Okay.
And it should come up with that
because Explorer, the web browser doesn't exist anymore.
So File Explorer should be the first thing that comes up.
So it comes up with Microsoft Edge.
Okay.
So somebody manually intervened, clearly,
manually intervened in the search results
and said, nope, nope.
That thing that is an exact character for character match
is not the best match.
It's this other thing.
It's this thing that we really want you to use.
Please use it.
Please, please use Edge.
Please use Edge.
We're gonna re-engineer how open width preferences work
to make it way harder to not use it.
Please use it.
Please use it.
I mean, it's infuriating.
And so I guess, yeah, I haven't been reminded.
I haven't found so much things
that are so much better with Linux
as I found things that are also horrible about Windows,
but that I just didn't really think about
because I glide right through them.
Like, okay, here's something that has bothered me
on the particular desktop environment I'm using.
When you click the button that clears away all your windows
and takes you to the desktop.
Okay.
Okay, when you click that, it does what you would expect.
And then if you, if you Alt-Tab and like find something
you want and click it, it brings everything back.
Oh, okay.
Like, who thought this was what I would want to do?
I just.
I've had two things so far that I actually liked a lot.
One of them was the media control area.
Sure.
I've really, really like it.
Like something that I enjoy quite a bit
is sometimes when you have something playing
in a browser tab, you and I both have some,
some issues when it comes to browser tabs.
Yes.
Sometimes it can be kind of hard to find it.
Yeah.
And like, if, if I restored all my tabs
and then it's like buried somewhere,
like it can actually be a serious pain.
And yes, there's the little speaker symbol on the tab,
but when you, when you got a lot of tabs open,
it's pretty small and you know.
So this one will show you the different media things
that are playing in the sound control panel.
Right.
And you can just pause, play,
do whatever you want individually right there.
That's pretty cool.
I really like it.
It also, if you had like some native app,
like say shop or not Shopify, Spotify,
or one that's looking locally, those,
all the controls for it would be available in there as well.
That's pretty cool.
Next song, pause, everything.
And then the other thing that I really liked
was during the installation of the operating system,
instead of like asking if the operating system
can steal your data in 47 different ways.
Yeah.
It, it just had essentially a like,
hey, if you want to do productivity things,
check out these apps for these things.
Right.
If you want to play games, check out these apps.
I like how easy it was to encrypt my drive.
That yeah.
On install.
Yeah.
Why isn't that just an install option on windows?
I mean, Microsoft,
you're the only major operating system left
that doesn't just have a quick and easy way
to encrypt your boot drive
when you install the operating system.
IOS, Android, Linux, and macOS all prompt you
like right when you're setting them up.
In fact, iOS and Android is encrypted by default now.
Like it's, it's ridiculous.
Now my volume panel is not as good as yours.
I think I noticed a problem with it almost immediately
because I have so many audio devices on my computer.
Yeah.
That when I went to scroll through them with my mouse wheel,
because the indicator to move it manually
is like this little tiny thing.
I started immediately moving the sliders.
So the scroll wheel does both.
Yeah.
Move like tilting or not tilting,
but like rolling through all the interfaces
and also adjusting the sliders.
So it's like impossible to use.
Our layouts are so different
that that wouldn't even be possible on mine.
The thing that I really liked,
like really, really liked about that,
like it was a slideshow,
but essentially a suggestion slideshow is the,
the new user experience there is so strong.
Cause if I, if I'm genuinely a fresh user to Linux,
Yeah.
I probably did some amount of research.
Yeah. Or not.
What if you just want to play video games?
You also might've done none, right?
And you don't want to pay for windows.
And what if it's that simple?
I actually really like a lot of them,
but the application names are often quite different.
Yeah. I, I, I wanted to open something and it's like,
would you like to use Kate?
Yeah.
And I'm like, what is Kate?
Yeah.
Like I have to, I had to Google it.
Yeah.
On windows it's like, would you like to use notepad?
Notepad. That's pretty self-explanatory.
Really straightforward.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what I really, really liked about that
was it went through basically all the standard things
that you'd use your computer for.
Yeah.
And it gave you like, these are, I don't know,
not necessarily the best,
but in a lot of situations pre-installed options
or very easy to acquire and use things that you can do
to get this really genuinely wide range of things done.
Right.
And I actually thought that was awesome
because if I was a new user,
I would have very likely either written that down
or taken pictures, but like been way more prepared,
genuinely way more prepared to actually use Linux
than I would have before that slideshow.
So I'm gonna give them lots of credit for that.
Floatplane chat's freaking out.
They figured out what desktop environment I'm in.
Well guys, wait for the video
cause there's definitely still gonna be surprises.
Luke actually knows one of the surprises
that is going to be in the video
because I couldn't help it.
I was like messaging him at midnight.
I'm like, have you ever seen anything this wild?
Genuinely no, actually, which is pretty crazy.
It was absolutely wild.
Okay, can we talk about Kate for a second?
Sure.
Because the reason I was using Kate
was because I wanted to download a script from GitHub
that I wanted to run.
Can I just say for a moment
that no offense development community,
but the fact that on GitHub,
a script doesn't just download in a text format
is the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
Acquiring things off of GitHub is a little weird.
It's actually brain dead.
That when you download a script,
it downloads as an HTML file.
And then the best part is that on Linux,
file extensions don't mean file extensions.
File extensions mean a helpful little hint
about what might be inside it.
So it's literally got a text file or like a script file.
I forget what the extension is, extension.
But when you try to actually run the script,
it's like, this is an HTML file.
I'm like, why is this an HTML file?
Why is it that the way that I acquire the script
is to copy paste it into Kate
and then save it as that extension and then run it?
Why is it so ass backwards?
Everyone's calling you stupid
because you didn't click get raw.
But it's just, it's one of those things that are,
it's just, it's a user experience thing, right?
Like if you're used, if you're very used to GitHub,
yeah, it's not a big deal.
But if you're a new user to GitHub,
it is genuinely an odd experience to get things from GitHub.
It is.
Oh, that's great.
So here, okay, so here, okay.
So raw does, I still have to copy paste it.
What are you talking about?
Unless you write, I guess you could right click
and right click and save link as, save link as sh file.
Okay, is that gonna be a proper script
or is that just gonna be another HTML file?
I haven't done that in a long time,
but I think it should be okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
Sure, I forget how I ended up actually downloading it.
People are saying like, or curl W get the link,
et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, sure.
The problem with a lot of this stuff is.
You have to know.
Yes.
You have to already know.
And if you don't already know, it's not obvious.
A very difficult thing to get across in this video
because a very large amount of people
will just not accept that.
I know, I know.
And it's like, it's like back to Rich 77's comment.
We're here for you.
We're here for you until you do something
not exactly the way that we think you should do it.
But the reality of it is guys,
is developers do not get to pick
how users interact with their product.
And there's a lot of stuff.
Like I was looking up potential solutions
to a couple of problems that weren't like,
it was where the user experience
wasn't like kind of a hundred percent up to par
with what I would want.
It wasn't that it wasn't working.
Yeah.
It's that I could,
it would have been better maybe if I did some work on it.
And through Googling almost all of the solutions
that I found were telling people to go.
It's like, here's a link to the homepage
of the Wiki for this thing.
Yeah.
Go have fun.
Which you know what?
If I'm in a tinkering mindset, fantastic.
Yeah.
But if I just want to play my video game right now.
Not fantastic.
Not great.
This was a really good one.
I found a guide for how to fix something
and it was like, okay, run this script.
How?
How do I run a script?
I have never run a script on Linux before.
And if I can't even manage to get
a properly formatted script file,
because I keep downloading it as an HTML,
even though the extension, the extension was SH,
but it wouldn't run because it was an HTML file
hidden inside it.
That is not intuitive.
I mean, it's surprising to me that engineers
and like science, I would think science minded people
would think a label should not mean what a label is.
How could you possibly defend that?
Defend a file extension that is not descriptive
of what the crap the file is.
I haven't experienced this problem.
So like, I'm not really sure.
LMAO making me face pump.
There's a lot of comments like that.
There's a lot of comments that are like RTFM
and it's like, yeah, but the whole point
of what we're currently analyzing
is the new user experience.
And people don't want to have to sit down
and bust out the manual when they use a new thing.
Yeah.
And it's way better these days.
Sure.
Even compared to, I think the last time
that I ran Linux seriously was probably four years ago.
Yeah.
It's already way better.
And like, I genuinely think that at least the distro
that I'm using is outpacing
what I think Windows is currently doing.
I genuinely think that.
I think they're moving faster.
I think they're gaining features faster.
I think they're on a really good pace.
But in terms of user experience,
especially new user experience,
they're definitely clearly behind.
Hypercrusher says that's user error
for not knowing how to use GitHub.
No, it's not.
It's absolutely not.
Believe it or not, believe it or not,
there's a whole wide world of people out there
that have trouble figuring out where to find the photo
they just took on their iPhone,
let alone how to use GitHub.
And as long as you hold onto that mentality
that those people should just learn better.
Linux adoption is gonna be very,
very difficult and out of reach.
That's just the cold, hard truth.
And you can not like it
and you can sit and be angry about it or whatever,
but that's it.
That's it.
It just doesn't, it is what it is
and you can accept it or you can not accept it.
It's that simple.
And there can always be distros that are,
distros and desktop environments, whatever,
that are much more noob-friendly
and ones that are really hardcore.
Like I think a pretty genuine user error
would be to like,
no, I've never used Linux before
and I'm not even very familiar with computers at all.
I'm gonna go to Arch.
Like the whole internet did not tell you to do that.
No, nobody told you to do that.
One extremely simple Google search
would have told you to specifically not do that.
So like, figure it out.
But there are desktop environments and distros, et cetera,
that advertise themselves as user-friendly
and they're getting a lot better
and in a lot of ways they are,
but they're not a hundred percent.
Yeah, Gremlin Injector put it really well.
People are missing this.
Normal users are not technical.
File extensions already are a pretty technical concept
for most people.
I mean, here this is actually a really,
this is kind of gonna put us on a bit of a tangent here,
but I was reading an interesting article
where a professor was not complaining,
but noticing, talking about,
opening up a discussion about
that many of the students coming through their classes
were not familiar with the concept of a folder structure,
like a folder tree.
And I kind of went, what?
I mean, this is a generation of people that have spent their,
they've grown up their whole lives
surrounded by electronics and computers.
How is it that they could-
Powerful search.
Powerful search, exactly.
So you can sit there and be elitist and go,
not knowing how to use GitHub is user error,
or you can recognize that these are,
and we're talking, these are people in university.
And again, you can go,
well, just because someone's in university
doesn't mean that they're more educated.
Well, actually it means that statistically speaking,
they are probably more educated
than the people who are not-
Maybe just not in this particular-
Maybe not in this particular way, believe it or not,
there's a whole wide world out there of other things
that people spend their time and energy on.
What?
What, right? No way.
I know, it's crazy, right?
And so it's not that mind blowing,
even though for me, it was this utterly alien concept
for someone to not actually have a very good understanding
of the folder structure,
because even the fact, like it reminds me of how,
there's that anecdote that's been floating around,
who knows if it's actually true,
where the kid asks their dad
why they have a 3D printed save button,
when they find a floppy disk, right?
The very concept of a folder structure is archaic.
When's the last time you had a folder inside,
nested inside a folder with a bunch of files in it, right?
Like that's very 1980s, that is 40 years ago, right?
When that idea of paper filing just being a fact of life
that everyone is familiar with was a thing.
I mean, when I was a kid, we still had phone numbers,
we're still kept in a Rolodex, right?
Yeah.
And so this concept, this tactile experience
of rifling through things to find things
that you were looking for
was very much a part of my childhood,
but we've got an entire generation of people
that just search for stuff.
And you don't get to pick how the world uses things.
I think a really good example here is Tarfief101
on FlowPlane said, and he's talking about GitHub,
he said, no, it really is user error
because there is, and then in all capitals,
no download button for individual files.
You just did some really weird special stuff,
like probably saving the entire webpage,
which is just as dumb as saving a YouTube page
to try to get the video.
A few messages further down, Ferna182,
I'm a developer and the whole save link as on GitHub
and then getting the HTML inside
of what I thought was the actual thing
I was trying to download happened to me way more times
than I'm willing to admit.
Of course it did.
It's just weird.
It's not a fantastic user experience.
It's not.
Acquiring things off of GitHub is weird.
I couldn't find a download button,
so my natural workaround was save link as.
No, I didn't save the entire webpage.
Why would, how would I even do that?
We're talking about mistakes that a technical
but not developer person could make.
I don't think most people are trying to download
the entire webpage.
They're not, but right click save link as
is a pretty decent workaround when for whatever reason
you can't find a working download button
or like download's not working
or you want it to go faster and there's like a delay.
If you like click through, it's a site you use all the time
and they have one of those like five, four, three, two, one
things like there, it's just, it's a workaround
that people might be expected to be familiar with.
So he then replies to us saying this,
but that's how browsers work, not how GitHub works.
Examine all of the comments around your message.
Yeah.
That's the way I'm gonna answer that.
You've been roasted as much as you need to be roasted.
You're cooked enough.
We go any further and that turkey's gonna be burned,
not juicy anymore.
The answer is add a download button.
The answer is why isn't there a download button
and why wasn't there a download button many years ago?
That's the answer.
Way more obvious, yeah.
Oh man, anyways.
It's mind blowing.
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Let's go back to main for a second here
because it's just hilariously vindicating
that I talk about all of these reactions
that we're gonna get from the Linux community
and we've got a lot of people saying, no, no, no, no,
it'll be fine, it'll be fine.
And the second I come out and be a human,
be vulnerable and say I didn't know something
and that I made a mistake,
you've got these toxic members of this community.
You suck, you should know that, RTFM.
Jumping down my throat, like ready to pounce.
And it's like, I get it, I get it.
You're an expert and you feel like everyone
should be an expert in this.
And Linux might be your baby.
Yeah, sure.
And we're saying your baby isn't perfect.
But the thing is like, I don't know, man,
see for me, and this is,
we're getting into like relationships again, right?
Like where we, I think we've talked about this
on the show today.
It's like, I never tell my wife,
you're the most beautiful woman in the world.
Lots of husbands tell their wives that.
And I'm sitting here going, well, I'm not gonna lie to you.
Like you're not,
I'm also not the best looking guy in the world.
Don't have the biggest schlong.
Like, so what, so what, you're Asian,
you don't even need me to have the biggest.
That's not.
The fitment is fantastic.
Yeah, see, right.
The margins here are amazing.
What I'll say is it seems like we were built
for each other.
So the point is, the point is that if you love something,
I feel like you should be able to be honest with it.
That's, and I think that the kind of love
that is fanatical, that is not objective,
is not actually as, is not actually as fulfilling.
Like I was reading an article about like 17 things
a boss should never say to an employee.
And one of them was good job.
And there's a reason for that.
And the justification for it was actually
very well fought out.
It's because it's not specific.
It's vague.
What was good?
What was good about it?
How good was it?
It doesn't tell you anything.
I think you can say good job,
but you have to follow it with why.
There has to be context.
There has to be context.
So you can't, there's no point lying to people.
And if you just say everything is great,
your words mean nothing.
You lose all the gravity that the sentiments you express
could have possibly had if you just constantly talk
about how great something is.
And I take a lot of flack for being super negative.
Like I'll see people, Linus complains about everything.
But so what?
We all should.
And you also don't.
Yeah, well, that's a whole separate conversation.
I mean, and a lot of the time
when I complain about something,
it's just the thing that makes me really angry.
It's not when something is bad.
The thing that makes me angry is when something is bad
out of complete and utter negligence or malice.
So the fact that the iPhone doesn't have T9 dialing,
when it's literally something that an Apple developer
could build in less than a week
and would require basically no maintenance,
it's an insult to their users.
Like it's just, it's utterly unbelievable.
I think there's also, I think there's a lot of,
if you aren't just lying all the time
or saying things that you're entirely unqualified to say,
like if you had truly done an assessment
of all like appropriate aged partners
that you could have in the world,
that would be ridiculous.
And I-
Probably not an attractive trait for a woman.
I was just gonna say,
she might not even wanna be with you if you did do that.
I tried out every lady in our geographical area
and you're the best.
No, you said world.
This would be a big project.
Yeah, a big project.
This would be major.
Like-
Man, you'd need to drink a lot of fluids.
Get a lot of chicken soup going.
This is a weird topic to go to from Linux.
Yeah, this is a weird WAN show.
But I think if you focus on things that are true
and you can fully qualify, they mean more.
I think so.
There's that whole concept where like,
oh, like you ask your partner
if you like look good in something.
And then they say yes.
And you go, huh.
And you go ask like your buddy.
Because you might get a,
you're worried that the response from your partner
is colored, right?
Yep.
It's rose tinted glasses, whatever.
So if you are more straight up honest
and clear and objective,
then those compliments mean more
because you know they're legit.
Absolutely.
I think there's value to that.
For better or for worse,
my wife knows that if she makes food
that isn't very good tasting, I'll tell her.
Because she's the kind of person
who genuinely cares about self-improvement.
And in the same way, if I-
She probably doesn't want to waste her time
if she's cooking food for you.
You don't want to cook something that-
If I set up, I mean, one of the, okay.
So let's talk about one of my jobs around the house.
If I set up the universal remote for our media system
and it's in a way that she can't-
It's annoying.
It's annoying to use, or it takes too long
or whatever else.
She's not going to just-
Grin and bear it.
Quietly, exactly.
She's going to tell me so that I can fix it
because we want to improve each other's lives.
More overall and deeper appreciation.
We're in it to win it, right?
Like we're on the same team.
So you have to be able to be honest with each other.
Luke, please don't make this worse.
Sorry, dude.
This is so great.
NH4X4Tracker says, most people don't care about T9.
Here's another comment a little bit further down.
Thorium 220 says, I started using T9 dialing on Android
because Linus mentioned it in a video.
Thanks, mate.
This is great.
Most people don't understand what it is.
That's why they don't think it's amazing.
That is the only reason to not think it's amazing.
It is actually the fastest way to dial a phone number,
hands down.
Other than if you have your nine favorites or whatever
and you just hold one button,
that is the only way that I can think of
that could be faster.
It just makes me very, very angry.
Very angry.
That's not the best example of something
that is just sort of utter negligence
that it's not included.
I think probably a better example would be something like
accessibility and right to repair.
Like hiding screws under a sticker that is destroyed
when you remove it over nothing, over absolutely nothing
is far more hostile to the user than not having a feature
that I personally think is great and so do a lot of people.
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What else do we want to talk about today?
I feel like we got a little bit derailed.
There's someone in the floatplane chat
asking for help finding a file
in Ubuntu gnome file explorer.
I find that very funny, but let's continue.
Good guy, Microsoft.
Let's...
Funny timing for that topic.
What, Microsoft?
Good guy, Microsoft.
Oh yeah, sure.
Microsoft agrees to independent third-party study
looking at right to repair.
I will also point out
that a lot of floatplane people pointed out
that it's very funny that one of the difficulties
that you've been having with Linux is GitHub
because Microsoft owns GitHub.
That is quite entertaining.
Well, okay.
To be clear, I didn't say it was an issue with Linux.
So my issue with Linux was that it wasn't obvious
where to like put a script to run it.
Right, yeah.
Like I...
Would you have needed that script on Windows?
No.
It's part of the experience.
Okay, okay.
I guess that's fair.
I would argue like finding scripts online
to do things for you is probably part of the experience.
Yeah, it shouldn't be.
Expecting the average user to run a script.
I mean, the problem with scripts
is there's such an enormous like security problem too.
Because just copying and pasting scripts off the internet
to be clear, like I'm doing it, but you shouldn't.
That's not a good best practice.
Again, that's the kind of crazy sort of,
I don't know what to call it.
Is it doublespeak?
Is it...
It's one of the most contradictory things
about the Linux community is that on the one hand,
it's like, it's open source.
It's all about security and privacy
and all of these sort of pillars.
A lot of that is genuinely, okay.
And on the other hand,
it's like the only way to do basic stuff is to,
unless you are an extremely technical user,
like a part-time developer,
is to download random scripts off the internet
and execute them in a terminal as a super user.
Like, are you serious right now?
A lot of the security stuff is that you assess that script.
I know, I know, I know.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I know.
That's like saying the safest car
is the one that you just build yourself.
Like most people shouldn't build a car.
Like, I don't want to spoil this too much,
but just for some context,
remember the screenshot I sent you?
No, I'm sorry.
You're supposed to be a security professional.
Every user should be a digital security professional.
Oh no.
They're going to hate us so much.
It's going to be a problem.
I'm trying, honestly,
my experience so far has been pretty clean.
Oh my goodness.
Remember when you sent me the videos of the problem?
Yeah.
And I sent you the screenshot back?
Yeah.
Yes.
So they're expecting you to read all that.
I know, I know.
The funny part is you saw how far I scrolled through that,
right?
It's a lot, but they're expecting you to read it.
That's like, that's like literally, literally the,
I forget if it made it all the way to the Supreme court,
but like literally the American judicial system
has decided that EULA's are not enforceable
because nobody reads anything that long.
And that includes agreeing to things.
When you're executing a script?
Basically any scenario.
A lot of people too long didn't read,
even if it's only a few lines.
And sometimes it's a lot more than a few lines.
So I don't know.
Anyways, good ground Microsoft.
This has nothing to do with Linux.
Microsoft has taken concrete steps to facilitate
independent repair of its devices,
following pressure from shareholders.
This comes after months of negotiations started in June
when investor advocacy nonprofit, as you so,
filed a shareholder resolution in regards to
right to repair and environmental concerns.
Microsoft will study how increasing access to parts
and info can reduce contributions to climate change
and e-waste, which does, I will say,
sound like a very new Microsoft thing.
That sounds like something new Microsoft would do.
So it's kind of in line.
Yeah, that sounds like something that new Microsoft
probably should have figured out in two seconds,
instead of spending months on it
and needing an independent third-party commission.
I agree.
Let's talk about all the wasted resources
of a third-party investigation being done
when you could just do the right thing immediately.
I'm sure they could figure it out.
I'm sure they could call Lewis one time
and Lewis would happily get there like immediately
and walk through how they could do all of this.
I'm pretty sure that they could sit and turn off the TV
and for like four seconds, sit and think.
And they could probably come out.
I don't think they have to talk to Lewis about this.
Should things be easier for end users to repair?
Hold on, hold on.
I'm thinking.
Yes.
Yeah. I did it.
I guess I was giving them too much credit.
I got there.
Reading this line in particular,
we'll study how increasing access to parts and info
can reduce contributions to climate change and e-waste.
Yeah, like just get over it.
It will do that.
Thanks.
Just start increasing the info and availability.
This is the same company for whom I fix it.
Repairability score of two is considered a win.
Okay.
I mean, we really like the-
Maybe we should change it from good guy, Microsoft
to like hopefully finally getting close Microsoft.
It's amazing to me.
And I mean, this is one of those funny things
because maybe again, I'm just being a right
to repair elitist, assuming that other people
have put the kind of thought into this that I have.
And maybe it just isn't obvious to other people.
This is not the same.
Because this is like, this is a company
that's probably got pound for pound,
more genius level intellects on staff
than most other, almost any organization on earth
other than like Mensa, right?
Like we're talking about,
well, you have to be a genius
to be a member of Mensa, don't you?
I don't know.
I mean, I've never looked into membership.
I assumed I'm not genius enough.
The point is that this is an organization
that has enough smart people in it
that I don't, I'm not inclined to give a lot of credit
for them investigating this
because there's absolutely no way.
Sorry, I changed gears here.
No, I was trying to play devil's advocate.
Okay, it's possible that just because
they're genius level intellects that doesn't mean
that they've given any thought to this whatsoever.
The issue though is that companies like Microsoft
and like Apple are clearly putting so much thought
into making repairs more difficult
that they couldn't possibly have made those decisions
without also examining the alternative.
If I can try to jump on the devil's advocate side of things,
I could say that there's whatever started it
probably set a pretty significant amount of momentum
and it's been difficult to kind of gear change
and there's been no real kick
to actually start that gear change.
And then lately there's been much more of a kick.
Well, let's hope, let's hope we can keep some momentum here.
I'm hoping that's it.
We have not talked about the Twitch leak yet.
Okay.
How are we this far into the show?
And we have not, okay, we also,
oh my goodness, this is madness.
We haven't even talked about how
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We've got new, wow, did I make exactly the same face?
That looks like a palette swap.
Look at this.
Is that, or is that not exactly the same picture?
Hold on.
It's not, the hair is slightly different.
That is actually a different picture.
That's kind of amazing.
Anyway, the dark aqua is here.
We got gray.
We got a blue now.
I don't know if I've ever seen any store
that has as many pictures for products as the LTT store.
You know what's the crazy part about that?
Is that it's not even that much work.
Like it's a lot of work and it does cost us money,
but it's not such a crazy amount of work that I think,
you know, large organizations couldn't just do it.
Should we have a few more?
Yeah, it doesn't seem that complicated.
Anyway, they're $19.99.
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So we're getting everything sorted out.
All right, let's talk about Twitch.
Twitch leaked the whole thing.
Source code, creator, creator compensation.
Apparently there could be more coming.
I saw that.
Apparently this is part one.
Yeah, I don't even like at this point, no.
What else is there?
What else is gonna be?
A bunch of ISOs of like people's computers.
I have no idea because it's a lot.
It's the source code.
It's a lot, not all,
but a very significant amount of creator compensation.
I believe it goes down to like 10,000 creators or something.
It's like 1% because there's an insane amount of Twitch.
Am I the top 1% then?
Because I think my information was leaked.
Nice, I'm the 1%.
I think that's what it is.
I'm not entirely certain.
I mean, I became a top 1% OnlyFans creator in like two hours.
Heck yeah.
So that was pretty fun.
Just flexing.
Nice.
OnlyFans flexing.
Sorry, I got to do OnlyFans flexing.
I got to take some clothes off.
Is the male nipple thing still a thing on Twitch?
I have no idea.
I have no clue.
I'm pretty sure we've broken it like a few times.
I'd be willing to show you guys my nipples,
but I don't actually need to get banned off Twitch.
It's not really a needle mover for us.
I was gonna say, now everyone knows how much you make.
Yeah, yeah.
That could be an expensive nip slip.
Yeah, exactly, right?
Yeah, even though it's not a needle mover,
it's still expensive.
Yeah, it's a lot better than a kick in the teeth $29,000
over two years. For sure, yeah.
Anyways, 125 gigabytes went into the torrent link
that was leaked onto originally 4chan,
along with a pace bin, I believe the pace bin.
The pace bin was gone by the time.
I got an email from Luke at 5.30 AM.
Before you ask, I've got it.
I've got it all.
I did it, Ott.
You did.
Look how red he is.
I have nothing.
I am good boy.
I think Jake had it before you.
Maybe, I don't know.
You gotta, I still have Stuxnet.
Nice, Stuxnet.
You gotta just archive this stuff, I don't know.
It's interesting.
I mean, once it's gone, it's...
Someone in the FlowPlane chat said that a big D move
that Twitch could and would be really interesting
if they did is just go like, you know what?
Screw it, just put it on GitHub.
There's no way, not Amazon.
Wouldn't happen, but it'd be sweet.
That's not Amazon's way.
Yeah, there's absolutely no way.
Hands off desk, I'm sorry.
Get your heads out of the gutter.
I just do this when I'm sitting down.
I don't know why.
Anyways.
Muscle memory.
I was just waiting for you to bring it up again.
All right, tell us what's in there.
Twitch has confirmed the breach has taken place,
but denies credit card info or login details were exposed.
I have heard that people claim that password data
was included, but was encrypted.
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't change your password.
That means that you should change your password.
Change your password for Twitch.
Just do it.
Especially, I mean, everyone has a stream key, I believe.
Every Twitch account is able to stream.
I'm pretty sure.
So just make sure that you do it
because you don't want someone getting access
to your account details,
which could be attached to your name
and your personal information
and then streaming things on Twitch that are really bad.
So change it.
Change your password.
Very important.
There was, yeah, basically source code
and user information, passwords, stuff like that.
And the earnings of a lot of different creators.
The earnings have been discussed a lot.
Yeah, that's basically the highlight for the normies.
But what do developers care about?
There's a lot of stuff in there.
Twitch does a lot of things.
Yeah, like what?
Lots of stuff.
They just want to know what the things
the developers find interesting.
Lots of things.
If you think about YouTube or Twitch,
there's things that would be valuable to developers
if they leaked out.
There's things like the player
that could be good for people.
I mean, Twitch's player is not amazing.
You might not want the player,
but there could be some tech in there that's interesting.
There's also like pipeline improvements
in terms of moving data
because one of the things,
especially for YouTube is incredibly good at this.
YouTube is so good at this
that I've talked to people that work at competitors
that have said that they never want to try to get into,
never want to try to genuinely compete with YouTube
in the VOD space.
Like they might have VOD availability,
but they don't want to try to compete with them
on the VOD space
because they're like pipeline and data science essentially
is so far beyond that they'll never get as efficient.
And that's the battle.
Right.
So like, it's crazy.
So there's probably some of that stuff in there.
There's everything.
There's everything that you would need
to essentially make Twitch.
There's also other stuff
that includes things that they never released,
including what people are talking about
as a Steam competitor called Vapor,
which is interesting in a few different ways,
partially because it includes the word vape,
which is like, come on now.
And then the other one, because it's so highly related
to the word Steam.
Yeah.
Which is just like, really?
I also like that it's vaporware.
Vaporware.
That's pretty good.
Apparently Vapor will, or was, or will, or I don't know,
have a 3D chat system called Vape World,
which is like the worst thing
they could have possibly called it in my opinion.
Holy.
Amazon filed a patent in 2017 titled,
Joining Games from a Spectating System.
Oh, that's pretty cool.
Sounds actually genuinely pretty cool.
Yeah, and Twitch being fully vertically integrated.
So Amazon having a game studio, obviously.
Actually, did they have a couple studios at this point?
Imagine being able to join a battleground
in New World that you saw a streamer was in
through the stream. And remember,
this is AWS, right?
So I would be very surprised
if the end game experience
wasn't something along the lines of streaming the game,
not playing on your local machine.
So the entire game runs in an Amazon data center somewhere.
You connect to it.
It's this enormous high performance,
but fully local environment with clients streaming into it.
Everyone is able to engage with,
like they're able to watch in any number of ways.
Imagine if you could watch a battle royale,
but more like in a Hunger Games style,
where your camera can be anywhere, right?
And by Hunger Games, sorry,
I don't mean like the Minecraft play mode.
I mean like the movies,
like where if you could watch an arena fight,
but your camera could be anywhere you want,
like literally an unlimited, practically speaking,
unlimited number of people could connect
and either be playing or observing
and how that would work with a platform like Twitch.
Like they, so they've got the mechanism
to draw new viewers into playing the game
through drops and through exclusive skins.
And they've got all the streamers
that are gonna be inherently promoting it
because you just play whatever's biggest on the platform.
They can use the platform to push the game,
to boost it up and it all runs on AWS.
And the whole thing is just this beautiful little bow.
I mean, honestly, you think about it that way
and Amazon is the bigger threat to Xbox than Sony is,
because that is potentially
a completely game-changing experience.
You look at how much demand there is to get into
what's that stupid GTA 5 IRL like server
that everyone cares about.
Yeah, pixel, something pixel.
Something, something like that.
You look at how much demand there is to get in
and participate in these types of, it's not a-
NoPixel, it's called NoPixel.
Yeah, NoPixel, type of like massively multiplayer,
but remember it's relatively small scale,
but this type of multiplayer experience
because NoPixel almost isn't even a game
for a lot of the players, they're role-playing, right?
And-
It's a formal game, but yeah.
I know, but we can't call it
a massively multiplayer online RPG.
It's GNU slash Linux, okay.
Because I don't think anyone's gonna argue
that GTA 5 is an RPG game, okay?
So yes, there are role-playing elements,
but I think we can agree
that it is still a shooter adventure.
Okay, whatever, I don't know what genre.
Grand Theft Auto is its own genre, it doesn't matter.
The point is that you don't even have to pay streamers
to play that, they wanna be in there
because wherever the hottest personalities
are all congregating is where they're gonna be able
to get the most access to new audiences
and to increase their own subscriptions.
So all of a sudden, the play for Twitch,
which clearly wasn't motivated
by Twitch's spectacular profitability, makes more sense.
And to be clear, I'm not saying
that Twitch doesn't make any money.
I'm just saying compared to the billion dollars
that Amazon spent on it, if the revenue numbers
are anywhere even close to representative
of what Twitch is making, it's not very profitable.
That site is gonna cost a fortune.
There's these like really big,
like the brand takeovers for games are huge.
Yep.
Yep.
Big money.
That's fair.
They'll do like whole site buys and stuff, like it's big.
But a whole site buy, a lot of it is gonna end up
paid to the streamers on these pages
those banners are showing.
I don't think the Twitch homepage
is exactly the hottest place to hang out.
You go to the streamers you like to watch.
So I would say, and you gotta remember too,
so one of the things that's really important
to keep in mind is that the streamer income
that leaked does not include donations
and it does not include,
what was one of the other major ones
that it doesn't include?
Brand deals.
Shoot.
Yeah, it doesn't include brand deals.
But the point is Twitch doesn't get a piece of brand deals
unless they're acting in an agency.
No, it would probably include.
Acting in like an agency role for the streamer
and even for donations.
If I recall correctly,
doesn't Twitch take a lower cut for donations?
Do they even take a cut for donations?
They don't take donations.
They do bits.
Twitch donations revenue share.
Hold on.
How much does Twitch take from donations?
Subscriptions, affiliates earn 50% of the sub.
Some high-end partners keep 70%.
Donations made through third-party companies
such as Streamlabs go to the streamer.
So how does, what's the share for bits?
I'm not familiar with it.
The point is-
Bits is a scale.
Oh, it apparently included bits.
So even though that doesn't tell us necessarily
how much streamers are making,
ah, it didn't include exclusivity contracts, right?
So even though it didn't tell us
how much top streamers are actually making
because there could be donations, bits, whatever,
exclusivity deals, brand deals,
all that other kind of stuff,
what it did tell us is how much Twitch is making
because Twitch is making whatever the inverse
of that number of the streamers are making is.
And so if we're looking at the top streamers
on the platform making like eight to $9 million
over a span of, it seems like about two years,
and then it dropping precipitously from there,
I mean, you can basically figure out
how much revenue Twitch has.
Not quite, not quite.
There's also, yeah, so like Amazon wanted to own the tech
to a certain degree and Amazon wanted to own the watch time.
Watch time was particularly interesting to them.
And I'm sure they're taking a lot of data
from their users as well.
Of course they are.
Which is extremely valuable to them.
But there's also like AWS features
that have come from Twitch existing
within the Amazon ecosystem that they then sell in that way.
Like there's other ways that they've been able
to profit off of there.
But yeah, in terms of subscription revenue,
it is quite revealing for sure.
Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna build a Twitch competitor,
even with the source code.
Never wanted to. I can tell you,
we're not interested in building a Twitch competitor.
Already knew that.
Yep.
And yeah, having the source code makes,
not only would that be intensely not okay,
but it makes no difference anyways, so yeah.
I mean, I think that it's actually kind of funny
how the entire Twitch source code leaked
and nobody will try to clone Twitch's service
with their own source code.
I pretty much guarantee it.
Because the business model,
unless you have those supplementary businesses
that you can use the technology for,
it's just, it's not practical.
It's really expensive.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a few things.
RIP Mixer, right?
If Microsoft, with their much deeper understanding,
I would say even, of gaming,
if Microsoft couldn't make that aspect of the business work,
I mean, well, apparently there were a lot of issues
at Mixer, but my point still stands.
It's clearly more of a challenge
than just building a streaming platform.
You have to actually build a business around it.
EposVoxes in the chat said,
worth noting though, that Twitch only pays
like five to 10% of their ad revenue for creators.
It's nowhere near 50-50 split.
Yeah.
Oh, okay, that's fair.
Yeah, most of what creators are making,
like if you look at how much you're making
from ads on Twitch, it's not, it's not a lot.
A lot of it's gonna be subs.
A lot of it's also gonna be donations.
Donations are huge.
Like if you thought you just learned how much
these streamers are actually taking away,
you're woefully mistaken.
But I can also, I can also tell you
that ads CPMs compared to user donations is not-
Nothing.
I think ads are a very small part of this.
Yeah, ads are-
Yeah.
Ads are not gonna be the game changer
that you might think that they would be.
Remember like website banner ads are sort of,
that's a pretty web 1.0 way to make money.
Now Twitch, because they've got this super dialed in audience
is gonna be able to demand more than some random-
And Twitch also facilitates a lot of like,
okay, like every major FPS player
is gonna play this new game that came out.
We're gonna be the in-between
between you and all these streamers.
Yeah.
And it's gonna be this huge buy.
Absolutely.
Genuinely massive amounts of money transferring hands.
Yes.
Because they're buying out, like I said,
like every major gamer, even non-FPS gamers,
like everyone on Twitch is gonna be playing.
I think Apex was one of them.
Right.
There's been a lot of games that are like that,
that had like essentially no marketing,
but on launch dates, like every Twitch person is playing it.
Yeah.
And you know they're paid to play it
because they're like, we're gonna be playing this game
from exactly this time to exactly this time.
And then going back to regular contents, like, oh, okay.
Widgey Ains says, Microsoft understands gaming.
Microsoft owns Xbox.
Xbox, yeah.
Microsoft pioneered cross-platform licenses for games.
That's a pretty understands gamers
and understands gaming move right there.
Yeah, they don't get everything right, 100%.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
But they're definitely not complete idiots
when it comes to engaging with the gaming community.
Nope, that's Xbox One launch Microsoft.
That Microsoft is gone.
It's immediate.
You don't wanna watch football.
It's like, you're gonna play games like this is gonna connect.
That was an entertaining launch.
Oh yeah, Pithardol says,
Microsoft developed DirectX LMAO.
Yeah, they know a thing or two
because they've seen a thing or two.
Yeah, they've been around.
They've been around the block.
Speaking of a group that's been around the block,
Facebook had a bit of a bad week.
Oh, are we gonna talk about that?
We don't have to talk about it for too long.
Yeah, sure, let's go fast
because there's a couple of things that I still,
I still don't wanna talk about OLED Switch
and my team viewer saga.
Okay, we can go over this really quick.
They were down for, I think it was like six hours.
Publications estimated Facebook lost somewhere
between 60 and $100 million over the outage, epic.
What was really great, so like WhatsApp,
Instagram, Facebook, all of it was down.
Building access was also down
because it's tied into the Facebook platform.
So they couldn't get back in to like fix it.
I have heard, I like verified this,
but I have heard that they had to like contact someone
who had an angle grinder to like cut them into the building
so that they could fix it.
Hilarious.
Which is amazing.
That's all, we don't even have to go into it
way more than that, but just like so funny.
All right, I wanna talk about the OLED Switch.
Okay.
Have you seen it in person yet?
No.
It's better.
Would that even been possible?
Didn't you guys get like a?
No, we didn't get an early unit.
I think it's like on store shelves right now.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Love you Nintendo, but you do a lot of things weird.
They tried to work with us for a little bit there.
Yeah, no, we did get one from Nintendo.
Oh, just late.
Just like a week and a half
after like Austin uploaded his video.
I'm like, okay. Nice, sweet.
I mean, you know what?
Honestly, I can see why console makers do prioritize him.
He hits hard.
Oh, for sure.
No, he does a great job.
In consoles.
Yeah.
I actually don't think that was like an organized strategy.
I think it was just Nintendo being like,
just being Nintendo a little bit.
Yeah.
So I tried it.
The bigger screen, so much better.
Like actually, like I'm looking at it going,
I haven't touched Breath of the Wild since I beat it.
And I'm like, I need to jump back into,
I need to jump back into Hyrule here.
I'm gonna, yeah.
I'm gonna play some more Breath of the Wild.
Definitely, I didn't try the new Metroid game,
but I'm definitely gonna play it.
I've got a code in my inbox, so I'll check that out.
And I had a lot of concerns about blowing up the size
of the screen while maintaining 720p resolution.
I shouldn't say a lot of concerns.
I had some concerns.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It's fine.
I am disappointed.
I'm surprised it's like,
I know you're saying it's okay,
but I'm surprised it's that bad.
I thought it was honestly gonna make not much of a difference.
It's not that bad.
Well, the thing is it doesn't make a huge difference.
It's just that if you have sharp eyes,
you probably already weren't a huge fan
of the 720p display.
And the good news is that it's 720p RGB, not pen tile.
So if it was 720p, but a pen tile sub pixel arrangement,
I was concerned about that,
but it's an RGB OLED panel and it looks pretty darn good.
The biggest disappointment for me, I think,
is that the rumored technology they're working on
with Nvidia to use DLSS,
like to use machine learning upscaling,
did not make it into this model.
What I wonder is if the rumored Switch Pro just isn't this.
If this is the new base model,
they upgraded it in some way
so that they could do a pricing adjustment
because the cost difference between the OLED panel
and the old one is not $50.
So they're basically just jacking up the price
of the regular Switch
and maybe we're still gonna get a Switch Pro.
That's kind of what I'm wondering.
Obviously it's cool, it'd be great to have one.
I have been not interested in purchasing one at all
at any point because of essentially that.
I bought it.
Not only is the, I'm sure, that's fine.
Not only is the Steam Deck coming
and that was kind of my big purchase as of late.
Yeah, that's a big purchase.
But I just, I can't shake the idea
that not only is my current one fine,
but there's probably another one coming.
Yeah, I kind of suspect that there's another one coming
because if you're Nintendo,
you're all about charging a lot of money for things
and the Switch is like a $300 console.
Is it 300 or 250 in the US?
I can't remember.
Bestbuy.com.
The United States, I typed in.com, didn't I?
Argh, argh, argh, argh, argh.
Okay, Nintendo Switch.
339?
339, that's gotta be a Canadian price.
Yeah, it's 299.
299 in the US.
So the OLED model is 349.
Did I get?
Now, if I'm Nintendo,
why don't I want a piece of that $500 console pie?
That's where the Switch Pro would come in.
And maybe it doesn't,
maybe you can't take it with you.
I don't know, maybe it's dock only.
I have no idea what could be coming,
but with 8K TVs out now and 4K TVs basically mainstream
for anyone outside of the very,
very bottom level of budgets,
I think they can't ignore it forever.
I mean, Nintendo really does try.
Boy, do they ever make a solid effort
to ignore technological advancements forever,
but I think they're gonna do something.
I think they're gonna do something.
Now, I wanna talk about my TeamViewer update.
I tweeted.
Okay, yeah.
I enjoyed this tweet.
I'm actually excited to see what happened with it.
I tweeted out of anger
because something that I was doing
related to the Linux challenge was I wanted to set up,
what did I wanna set up?
I wanted to know if Parsec would be a viable way
for me to enjoy games
that I absolutely couldn't play on Linux.
I would understand that that's a total hack
because not everyone has two computers,
one that they can remote into,
but I wanted to know if Parsec
would be a viable way for me to play a game
that is completely unplayable
and I didn't even know if Parsec had a client
and so what I wanted to do
was I wanted to set up my work machine with Parsec,
which I hadn't before, I just have it on my home machine.
I wanted to install Parsec on my work machine
so that I could try it,
so that I could install a client
on my Linux machine at home and try to do that
because it's just, you wanna talk about streaming,
game streaming is part of the gaming experience now,
it's a possibility, it's something you can do,
so I wanted to try it.
Anyway, I had to use TeamViewer to get into my work machine
because that's how I access it
and the only reason I had opened it at all
was so that I could install Parsec.
I get this pop-up and you need a little bit of backstory
for why this pop-up is such a big deal.
Tell us what you'll pay, oh, wow, this is,
tell us what you'll pay for a subscription
and stretch the rest of your 2021 budget, contact us.
Okay, let's break this down.
I have a perpetual license for TeamViewer 2012.
I paid, I forget, but it was more than $5,000
for the bare minimum number of seats that I needed
because at the time we were using TeamViewer
to remote into an Android device
that was holding all of our two-factor authentication.
I'm comfortable talking about this now
because we're actually doing things a different way now and-
It's better.
Yeah, it's better, it's more secure
and we're not gonna talk about it
because security through obscurity, hopefully, knock on wood
but the point is that's what we were doing then.
So we had just had an Android phone
that was plugged in all the time,
went through a couple of them before we removed the battery
on one before plugging it in all the time.
That was a good moment.
I just thought they would have better battery management.
I thought they wouldn't just blow up in like four months.
We had two of them do that.
Yeah, anyway, the point is we used TeamViewer
was one of the only solutions.
In fact, I think it might've been the only solution
that was truly cross-platform
where you could remote into an Android device
from a PC or Mac and remote into a PC or Mac
from an Android device and everything worked cross-platform.
So I was like, okay, this is a lot of money
but it's a perpetual license, no problem.
Now with that, I think the next revision of TeamViewer,
they switched to a subscription model
and completely discontinued the possibility
of buying a perpetual license of TeamViewer.
Now, funny thing, because they didn't wanna have to maintain
two different versions of the app on mobile devices,
a legacy one and a subscription one,
your old legacy perpetual license for desktop
gets you the latest version of the mobile app.
Because, and that was just, that was a cost saving measure.
That wasn't because they were trying to be good guys
but you know what a nightmare it is
maintaining a mobile app.
It sucks.
Yeah, it sucks.
Developers are expensive.
And so they were just like, okay, forget it.
So on the mobile side, you'll just get the latest one.
So right around that time, TeamViewer since then
has semi-regularly reached out to me
over every possible means of communication.
They have emailed me.
They have popped up annoying messages like this
in my software that I paid for.
They have even called me
at unreasonable times in the morning
because they don't think maybe I'm on the West Coast
and I am not awake yet at 6 a.m. my time.
They have called me completely stupid times of day
to ask me to upgrade to a subscription version of TeamViewer.
And my answer every single time, every single time
has been no and do not contact me about this again
because I have exactly the functionality I need
from TeamViewer and there's nothing that you can offer me
that would make me upgrade from the version that I'm using.
Yeah.
All I need it for is we use it for remote script review,
for example, like John's based down in North Carolina.
So TeamViewer is a nice way for us to both,
we actually both remote into the same VM
that's running on the server here
so that it has access to all the local resources
that he works on and then we can both edit and stuff.
So it does have a purpose.
It's a good tool.
It's a useful tool.
It's a useful tool, but I can already do that.
It does absolutely everything that I need it to do.
And so I basically finally got frustrated
cause I was like,
I don't even want to use your software right now.
I'm just using your software to install some other software.
So I send out this tweet.
I'm just like, I was just kind of irate
cause I've been troubleshooting a bunch of stuff.
I'm working on the Linux challenge.
$0, you vampires.
I paid for an effing perpetual license of TeamViewer 12.
Stop emailing me,
stop calling me at Eastern time o'clock in the morning
and stop popping up this crap
when I use the software I paid thousands of dollars for.
I tagged them.
I have never seen a tweet from myself anyway.
I've never seen a tweet that I've sent out
generate this much animosity
toward the subject of the tweet.
It appears as though absolutely everyone hates TeamViewer.
And the reason for it is pretty apparent
because even the users who said,
hey, why don't you just click?
Oh, you guys can't really see this,
but now this is not a touch screen, whatever.
There's a little thing down here that says,
don't show this message again.
I was not the only one who noticed this.
And so a lot of people were like,
well, why don't you just click that?
And the answer is because it doesn't actually work.
That's why I'm so mad
because I tell them don't call me again.
And they call me again.
I tell them don't email me again.
And they email me again.
I click don't show this message again.
And they show the message again.
It's extraordinarily frustrating.
They show like a slightly different version or something.
So TeamViewer, TeamViewer replied to my tweet.
TeamViewer support got back to me.
Look at this, look at this.
At Linus G. Sebastian, hi,
we apologize for the trouble with the pop-up.
The self opt-out is available for licensed customers.
Options, advanced, show advanced options
under TeamViewer options,
untick the box for in-product marketing messages.
Okay, I hope this will help you.
All right, I replied to TeamViewer.
And this, I didn't send out a full tweet.
Like I just replied to them.
So probably most people haven't seen
the best part of the saga.
It was like five grand or something.
Can't remember.
It was a lot.
Oh no, this is replying to someone else.
Here, sorry, proper tweet.
How about no pop-up?
Why would I buy a subscription
for something I own a perpetual license for?
Maybe because I hate money?
Let's play a game.
I'm gonna click don't show this again
and go to TeamViewer.
Let's play this again and go see if that box is ticked.
Oh wait, it's not even there.
What?
It is not, it is not there
in the place that they told me it is
because that button only exists
in the subscription versions of TeamViewer.
Oh my goodness.
Major, major egg on their face.
Big egg.
Did they respond at all?
Big oof, okay.
So get this.
They do not reply to this tweet.
Yeah, of course not.
Because they got,
this is like about the hardest
I've seen someone get ratioed in a while.
They got ratioed super hard here.
Did not reply.
Cause I'm sure they had meetings.
Like it's not, it wouldn't be the first time
that I complained about something
and it generated meetings at a company being like,
how do we make this go away as fast as possible?
So I got a call, it did wake me up this morning.
I was gonna say, was it early in the morning?
It wasn't that early.
I should have been,
I should have been up already anyway.
It was at like nine
and I ended up being late for work today.
So, you know, thanks TeamViewer.
Thank you for the wake up call.
The point is I got a call this morning
and they said, hey, sorry about that.
We have marked your account
to not get any of these messages anymore.
Here is my response TeamViewer, wrong answer.
Yeah.
Because the right answer was not to appease the influencer
so that they don't complain about you publicly.
The right answer is to tell me,
we have stopped doing this for everyone
who has a perpetual TeamViewer license.
We have stopped harassing our customers
who already gave us their money
because they didn't give us their money.
Because they didn't give us enough money yet.
That is the correct answer.
It shouldn't be me.
And also I have told you to put me on that list
and until you knew who I was, you didn't do it,
which is the wrong answer.
So now I know for a fact the list does exist
and that when you tell them not to put you on the list
and you don't happen to be a YouTuber,
they just don't bother.
Can you go after them for CanSpan because of that?
Probably, but it's not worth the effort.
Yeah, someone could though.
So I'm sure you thought that you were making me happy
but what you actually did was demonstrate
how terrible your business practices are for everyone else.
Way to go TeamViewer.
Treating me special is just another way of saying
that you don't treat your customers like you should.
Yeah.
Because if you know it's the right thing to do
and you'll do it for me,
then you should automatically do it for everyone.
That simple.
Yeah, so eat a deck TeamViewer.
This segment needs to be clipped and shared all over.
It probably will be.
There's a YouTube channel called LMG Clips.
Yeah.
It's actually fantastic.
We'll email you and tell you about it.
And I'm sure-
We'll call you in the morning.
Just, you know, you might already be subscribed
to LMG Clips, but I don't know if you're a member.
So, you know.
Yeah, this is great.
Linus, where's the framework?
Jake told me I'm not allowed to use my daily driver
laptop on WANshow because I'll leak things.
So I agreed with him.
That was good.
He made a good call.
Good call, Jake.
And so I am not using my daily driver laptop.
Honestly though, we should just both use frameworks
on the WANshow.
That'd be sweet.
It might not actually be the best
because we need to run at standard resolutions
for a capture, you know, for our screens here.
And that display is gonna probably look a little
interpolated because it runs at a weirdo,
like two by three resolution or something like that.
So it might not be, it might not actually be the best
for what we're doing, but that doesn't mean that-
How often do you actually need the whole desktop?
Usually you're just showing a YouTube video, right?
Yeah.
Which you would definitely grab.
It's more just that I, like when you're looking at text
so that you're, you want to be running
at the right native resolution
so that the capture card can support it properly.
And so when you're looking at text,
it's gonna look kind of crappy.
I guess it doesn't really matter.
Oh, the capture cards have probably got it,
got it, got it, got it.
Cause I was gonna say, you can just crop it.
Yeah, love you Blackmagic, but also you're not perfect.
Okay, so I think that's pretty much everything
other than going through some of them super chats.
Super chats.
I missed the first few because even though
I have submitted a bug report for this,
YouTube has not fixed it.
So that's pretty cool.
Hey, I can share you guys on my super chat experience.
You're amazing too, thanks.
This is a super weird way for this to be formatted.
So that's pretty cool.
Hey, no problem Cadillac Bob.
Heck yeah, rapid fire.
JD says, can you say what happened
with the Madrina's partnership?
We don't really comment.
If a sponsor screws over our viewers,
then we will comment about it.
But if it's just, you know, hey, it didn't work out,
but let's agree to be friends,
then we're not really gonna,
we're not about public drama,
dragging anyone through the mud.
Maybe it was our fault.
Maybe it was their fault.
I'm just gonna say that.
Who knows?
Who knows whose fault it was?
Cool.
Millet G says, reminiscing about Net Linked.
I miss the host having their own spin
when introducing the shorter news stories.
Said more quickly than the others.
Please have Riley say Central Park.
He never says Central Park anymore, that's true.
D temp says the red hat logo has been just a hat,
not shadow man for two and a half years.
Yeah, but that doesn't change that it was the logo
for over 10.
Thrackerzod, regarding Last Man Show,
if you're worried about running non-Steam games,
I highly recommend Lutris.
Yes, yes, we're both at that point already, I think.
Scott says, I was looking for a video about T-lines
instead of a reservoir.
Thankful for the old one.
NCIX tech tips number two.
Are T-lines still viable today?
Yeah, they're just a pain in the butt.
Getting all the air blood out of the system
with a T-line sucks.
If you're looking to save a buck though,
it is a good way to do it.
One of the reasons we use T-lines so often back in the day
was that the options for reservoirs were way more limited
than they are now.
Yes?
Someone into the chat called me out for hands
under the table again.
Oh, okay.
Andres Rivero says framework doesn't have
third-party resellers.
Shouldn't devices like their laptop or Steam Deck
be sold through multiple channels?
It helps solve the warehouse issue you spoke about
and let smaller shops grassroots slash evangelize
the product at local level.
So, what it doesn't help is it doesn't help
you be profitable.
By the time you run a product through distribution
and through a retailer, you can assume
that you're gonna be giving up anywhere from 10 to 20%
of your margin on the product.
The consumer pays for that directly.
A lot of the need to do that these days is also gone.
Like we've looked at having third-party resellers
for lttstore.com products, but the reality of it is
we don't mark things up.
Like we tend to go for really high quality materials
in the stuff that we make.
And a lot of the time we'll end up spending an extra $3,
which doesn't sound like a lot of money,
but that's the margin that we could have given a retailer
in order to get broader exposure for our product.
So, for something like an Amazon marketplace,
I think it ends up costing only marginally more
if we own our own inventory
and it's just fulfilled by Amazon.
But if you're working through like a brick
and mortar retailer, they're gonna expect
to make considerable margin on the product
that we honestly just don't have.
And I suspect that is quite similar for the Steam Deck
and for the Framework Laptop.
Although neither of those companies have given me
any access to their costs.
But like I said already though,
I don't think it's really needed in the modern world.
Online shopping is very easy and online shopping
on individual stores like Framework is also very easy.
Another thing to consider is that you might think
that a store buying your product means
that you improve your cashflow and it can,
but a lot of times, especially brick and mortar,
is gonna expect anywhere from 30 to 90 days.
I think Costco demands six months payment terms.
So they have the inventory,
but you're actually still the one who owns it.
And the larger the retailer you're working with,
the more that they can put the screws to you
if for whatever reason the product is not moving very well
and they want you to make it go away.
So it can actually end up being very expensive
to load a bunch of your inventory into a retailer
if they demand, and remember, they hold all the leverage
because they have both their money and your product.
And the exposure that you need to reach your customers.
They hold all the cards in that respect, right?
So they could say, hey, look,
you need to give us a hundred dollar rebate for our,
our spring savings sale event
because your competitors are doing that
and they'll work you against your competition like that
in a way that you're kind of looking at it going,
well, hey, this like wasn't part of the deal.
We, you know, we're trying to make this device
that's really different.
We're low volume and we can't really play this game.
I would advise framework against taking that approach
for the time being, but not for obvious reasons.
Like to be clear, that's a very good question.
Just, yeah, I probably wouldn't do it.
They also have a tailored shopping experience.
I don't know which one they sell more of,
but the DIY edition, you like pick things, right?
Yeah.
It's not usually very easy to do
through other types of stores.
Captain Pepper, have you thought about looking
at new e-bikes or e-scooters?
It's been five years since your last e-bike video
and they've been going through a huge boom.
You're right.
The, the reason we haven't really jumped back into it
is that I feel like there are creators
who service that niche really well.
And our big thing is that we don't want to jump
into a conversation unless we have something
to contribute to it.
And I just, I feel like as someone who daily drives one,
you know, Taran is probably still qualified
to talk about it.
But for my part, I haven't really actively used
any e-mobility products in a long time.
I was super into them and I wanted to try out
every kitschy one that came out.
Like back when I did that unicycle review,
like the electric unicycle and stuff like that.
But the reality of it is in my neighborhood
and the places I go and the things I do,
it's just not really practical.
I'm just going to get in the car.
I'm going to jump on my motorcycle.
Yeah.
Taneloo says, can you upload the past gaming live streams
to float plane like your Supreme commander
and don't starve games?
There's only one that I think is missing
and I forget why I didn't put it up.
I think I didn't end up with the VOD for some reason.
Oh.
Yeah.
Mr. Wilson, I remember my first Linux experience.
I had experience installing windows and was stunned
that on the first boot,
the desktop was the correct resolution without drivers.
It was emulating the GPU as a stop cap.
Awesome idea.
Yeah, there are things that Linux does really well
and fairness windows also boots at the correct resolution
these days.
Now. Yeah.
It's been a while.
Linux has been doing that better for a lot longer.
Very long time.
Yeah.
Aaron says, if you're...
Okay, we're getting into a pretty heavy part
of the super chat-ness here.
If your engineering approach is the user
should just read the manual and learn to use it,
then you are taught a very good engineer.
You might actually be an excellent engineer,
but what you aren't is a good UX designer.
And it depends on what you're making, right?
If you're making something that is specifically just
for experts in the field, that's probably fine.
Yeah.
And it might actually be better that way
in a few different ways
because you might have to oversimplify things,
too, in order to accommodate that specifically better
for new users, user experience, et cetera.
But yeah, anyways.
Rosalind Seville has probably the best super chat
of the day.
Yeah, Linux is fine, but it's no Temple OS.
That's true.
Linux is almost nothing like Temple OS.
What you said was factually accurate.
This is another great comment under here.
So I have, I've Googled this,
but I haven't looked at the results yet.
This is fantastic.
Imagine someone makes a Linux distro
that was Windows 7-like.
Okay.
I've Googled this, but I haven't looked at the result yet.
Here we go.
Best Linux distributions that look like Windows.
Linux Lite.
Windows 7 users may not have the latest
and greatest hardware, so it's essential to use it.
It's lightweight and easy to use.
Okay.
Can I replace...
So hold on.
That just looked like Windows 11 and 10
for Windows 7 users.
Looks a bit like Windows.
Okay.
Oh, you know what?
I was expecting one that is...
Oh, hold on, hold on.
Distros that look like the Windows 7.
Control F 7.
Here we go.
Man, the number of Linux distro listicles.
Okay.
Mint.
You can configure it to be the same as Windows XP,
Windows 7, Windows 8, or Windows 10.
All right.
Linux community has got you covered,
but that's also one of the biggest problems
that makes it extremely overwhelming
to figure out which one to use.
Oh, man.
Oh, wow.
There's a lot...
I'm sorry, guys.
I'm not reading all the super chat stuff,
especially because some of it is just astonishingly stupid,
and I'm not out to antagonize our viewers.
I just, I can't make my head hurt enough.
The amount that it would hurt,
just reading out what some of these things say.
So, yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Ah, ba-da-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba.
Okay.
What is this?
Oh, uh-oh.
What's Nick calling me for?
What's Nick calling me for?
He must know he's gonna be on WAN Show.
Hey, Nick, you're live on WAN Show.
Am I antagonizing the users too much?
They're not buying enough lttstore.com?
No, no.
I was just gonna say the UFD stream
is like 1% away from finishing,
so it'd be cool to send a bunch of people over there
when you guys are done.
Oh, yeah.
What platform is it on?
I think they're on YouTube and Twitch,
but I think they're mainly on Twitch.
All right, all right, cool.
Thanks, Nick.
Yeah, you can raid them.
Yeah, UFD stream sponsored by Linus Tech Tips.
Yeah.
I'm not even joking.
It's sponsored by us.
It genuinely is.
Hey, Taylor says my new GPU
from verified actual gamer program shipped.
Thanks so much, LTT team.
My 1070 died last week.
We're pretty disappointed with how high the MSRPs
are of cards now and verified actual gamer program
is pretty much dead at this point
because it feels like MSRPs and scalper prices
have just kind of-
Yeah, MSRPs are rising like crazy.
Equalized.
We did a really interesting video.
We shot it today where you know how one of the hacks
to get a GPU for a while was to buy a system
and then just flip all the other components.
So we did a cost analysis.
We went and bought a system at Best Buy
and looked at everything that was in it
and compared it to building your own
and buying a scalped GPU and it was on par.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, they've closed all those holes.
What was I gonna say?
I don't remember.
Robert Mail says,
first time I've been able to catch a live show or VOD.
Nice new set.
Hopefully I haven't missed much.
You are so full of crap.
First time I've been able to catch Robert Mail.
I was gonna say, I recognize that name.
Yeah.
You super chat every show, let alone watching them.
SDG games.
Is there an audio equivalent to the SRGB color space?
No.
As a creator, what matters most to you
in headphones or speakers?
Well, it's gonna be accuracy.
And then I think what you're kind of asking is like,
like what like the range of performance they might have is
in that case, you're looking at
like a frequency response curve.
So you want something that is able to reproduce very low
and very high frequencies, but it's not like,
like SRGB is kind of like,
it's the subset of all perceivable colors,
but in the audio spectrum,
we've had devices that have been able to reproduce
the entire audible spectrum for many, many years now.
So it just comes down to how well they can do it.
David Champagne is a 2021 Facebook outage survivor.
Yeah, I think I survived all right too.
I didn't notice to be perfectly honest with you.
The only reason why I knew was cause I went to the washroom,
which is the only time that I ever used Twitter.
And I opened up Twitter and everyone was talking about it.
And then I made a like meme
about how flow planes still happen then.
I didn't know that Facebook was down.
While it was down, I found out later.
Cause I was like working.
I don't know if I actually found out during or after
cause I never checked cause I don't care.
Hey, thanks Rhee.
Oh, just accepted an offer to join a fan company
and started watching you when I was 13.
Dang, good for you.
Taking that money.
Get that money.
Dusk Pierce asks, I sent this once,
but when you get the Steam Deck,
can you try it with an M cable?
You're going to have to remind me when it arrives.
I don't have, I'm not logged into like my accounts
or anything.
I don't have a convenient way to write this down right now.
But yes, I'm very interested to see that as well.
Oh, nice.
Fan 24 DRR says I got two LTT store water bottles
from UFD Tech as he passed through Columbus
on his Cannonball run.
Very nice.
Very nice.
Noki1119 says, hey, timestamp guy here.
The last onsite WAN show was on the 14th of December, 2019,
664 days ago.
Do you miss the old set?
I'll miss Luke's birds.
So that computer that we're running off of right now
hadn't been turned on since January of 2020.
So when Jake turned it on,
there was like three hours of updates.
We know how long it's been.
Conrad in float plane chat said I work for Fang as well.
Float plane, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google.
Laul, that's a good one.
I mean, with how much downtime Facebook has had,
I don't think they deserve to be a Fang anymore.
I think it's more based around the money.
Blackjack410 says I just subscribed to float plane.
I don't see this stream.
It's on there.
It's in the live tab.
And I wanted to yell at y'all and ask how long
I didn't have to wait to buy a freaking screwdriver.
Ooh.
Wounds a little fresh, a little fresh.
I got a call from Nick before the show.
The screwdriver is very delayed.
It's like, it's delayed.
It's like new year delayed at this point.
Has to do with the power outages in China
pushing work back to Taiwan where we're manufacturing
a number of the parts.
And other places being pushed back to Taiwan as well.
Other places being pushed back to Taiwan as well.
We explored the option of having some of it done in Canada.
But while the steel stuff could be done here,
the manufacturer we're working with for the zinc housings
is not confident that the zinc work could be done here.
And so it would add, I think, about 10, $11 of cost.
We would have to produce the things in Taiwan.
Then we'd have to send all the materials.
So we'd have to send all the materials to Canada,
then send them back to Taiwan to be assembled,
then send them back here.
So it was going to add other delays,
like logistical delays, even if they could work on it.
Which is a big issue right now.
Just throwing that out there.
And I think it was going to add a cost of about $11 a unit.
We're already doing some of the production in Canada.
We're doing final assembly.
We're doing all the injection molding here.
It's not like this is just over-cheaping out
and we're just trying to do everything
at the lowest possible cost.
It's just the Taiwanese manufacturer
that we're working with is not able to get
a lot of the materials that they need to produce it.
And that has to do with shortages and challenges
going on really across, well, across the world, really.
Oh boy.
Yeah, so it's going to be, it's going to be a minute.
Yeah.
That one was a little fresh.
XP Bill says Linus, why is your name pronounced
a little differently than Linux,
even though it is only one letter different?
Please, very important question.
Because Linus Torvalds is Finnish, I think?
Yeah, Finnish.
I think so.
And so his name, even though it's spelled
exactly the same as mine, is, I think,
usually pronounced Linus.
Yeah, Finnish.
So Linus, Linux, Linus.
Cause I'm not Finnish and I don't speak
anything other than English.
Time to make a new distro.
Like if I was French.
Linux.
That's not going to get confusing at all.
Linux?
Yeah, I'll do, I'll like fork arch or something.
Linux arch, arch Linux, Linux.
Yes, that's very helpful, thank you, Luke.
All right, I think that is pretty much it.
There's, there's Hannah Montana Linux.
Yeah, thank you for that.
Thank you, Linus.
I think that's pretty much it for the WAN show today.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
We may be in person next week,
depending on how much progress Luke and I have made
on our streaming aspect of the Linux challenge.
We'll probably be back to in person after that.
But I think a WAN show is a good acid test
for just how well we have each managed
to get our streaming setups working.
We might do, we might do it a different way.
Maybe we both do like a simultaneous stream on Twitch
one night or something like that.
And maybe we just do WAN show here.
I don't know, we'll figure it out.
Thanks for tuning in.
We'll see you guys again.
Bye.
Oh, oh, oh, we got a raid UFD.
How do you, how does one raid?
Thank you slash raid space and then their channel name.
So slash raid space, UFD, but it's disciple.
So UF disciple.
Okay. So did I, did I do that?
I think.
Okay. There it goes.
All right. All right.
All right. See you later guys.
Yeah, you're doing it.
Yup. Okay.
We are still live on pitch and float plane,
but I have cut the.