Welcome to the WAN Show.
We are 21 minutes late and Linus isn't even here.
Well Linus, that's why we're late.
Yeah.
I was here on time.
James was here many hours before on time.
Trying to figure out
whether or not we should start it without him.
Yeah.
I think he's gonna relieve me soon.
Yeah, they're filming a video like right there,
so us talking is probably gonna be super annoying for them,
but they told us to do it, right?
You said do it.
Not our fault.
Welcome to the WAN Show.
We got great topics.
User benchmark controversy.
They change the weights of how things are scored
and it moves some processes around in the ranking system
in some funky ways and some people,
especially the AMD crowd, are very upset about it.
And Cloud Fair stops servicing 8chan.
But free speech!
Oh my God!
They're a private company.
Anyways, AMD Epic 7002 series Roam processor.
I'm not even gonna say anymore.
All that and more on the WAN Show.
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Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Whatever they call it.
It's all AdSense taken home.
Demonetized for hamster dance.
Yeah.
It's fatty, fatty, fatty.
Oh bang, super fast.
Honey.
Honey, just fast as honey.
Squarespace.
Squarespace.
And Rizwole.
Rizwole.
Rizwole.
Rizwole.
Oh my.
AJ is crying right now.
What is it?
He's absolutely bawling at this moment.
Anytime I say anything French,
I think the hair and the veins on his body are just like,
like partially wolverines.
Okay.
Did you know that in America,
the Kia Sportage is pronounced like Kia Sportage?
Really?
Yes.
Like in ads instead?
Yeah, that's what I heard.
Whoa.
Sportage.
Interesting.
Speaking of Sportage, Cloudflare terminates.
They did this, right?
They terminated the, okay.
So Cloudflare terminates 8chan.
That's, I believe,
I mean, Cloudflare isn't like a server host.
So they probably terminated like DNS set up
and all this other kind of stuff
so you wouldn't be able to get there.
But they didn't like delete the, you know,
they don't have that type of relationship, but.
For all intents and purposes,
the website's down until you find a new replacement.
From what I've heard, they did.
And then that's gone now too.
Right.
So what happened was they got another.
Hot potato.
They went to a competitor whose name is on here,
but I'm on the right part of the doc.
Sure.
Epic?
Epic?
Yes.
And then it was.
Epic with a K.
That's the most hype, like most Epic type of Epic.
Absolutely.
Epic in turn though,
was relying on the services of Voxility,
who pulled the plug on Epic
after it learned that 8chan had moved to Epic
because they had the same philosophy as Cloudflare.
Okay.
As far as I know, you still can't get onto 8chan.
Okay.
I think.
I'm not gonna try right now, but.
I tried earlier and all I got was,
like literally if you just type in 8chan,
all you get is articles about how it's down,
about like all the recent news about it.
I can't even get it.
It used to be fun when this kind of stuff would happen
and you would get like the FBI website seized page.
Have you seen those?
It should just be like a gif of an FBI guy.
We're taking your website.
What are you doing here?
Let's see.
Like a guy, like a detective guy.
Yeah, these.
These were Epic.
Yeah, those are cool.
Show them.
Yeah.
What do your LFI's see?
Seizure of mega upload.
Da da da.
It's like so aggressively official looking.
Seized in the background,
repeated over and over and over again
and then it's like government stamps.
It's like strobing, government seizure, government seizure.
It's like the purest form of justice porn, I think.
We did it guys.
Let's put our stamps and stuff all over it.
It's us.
We took it.
So yeah, okay.
So what happened?
This is related to a recent.
The recent tragedies.
Yeah.
Particularly the shooting in El Paso.
So I'll just read it here.
The suspected gunman in the recent El Paso shooting
appears to have been inspired by the forum website
known as 8chan,
which is of course related to 4chan
but even less moderated.
Even less?
Yeah, some people call it Infinichan, Infinity Chan.
It's basically described as like a blank piece of paper.
You can just write whatever you want there.
Okay.
Anyone can start their own little microblog there.
All right.
It's unmoderated.
Okay.
For the most part.
It appears that this gunman posted a 2300 word manifesto
to the site just 25 minutes before beginning his attack.
That guy is online.
25 minutes before.
Like.
Well, we'll see.
The plot stickins.
Okay.
Okay.
Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan
before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Oh.
Yes.
So it's, I think there's at least three big tragedies
linked to 8chan at this point.
That's pretty intense.
Yeah.
The El Paso shooter specifically referenced
the Christchurch incident
and appears to have been inspired
by the largely unmoderated discussion on 8chan
which glorified the previous massacre.
That's a dark stage of humanity.
If you have unmoderated conversation,
it just turns into that.
Ah, I think that there's a few different things going on.
I think when populations get significantly large
or sufficiently large,
there's just a minimum percentage of crazy people.
And when there's billions and billions of us
and we can all connect with each other,
as long as you speak, you both speak English
or you both speak the same language,
you can find each other.
And everything's so broadcasted
and people won't shut up about their names
and they get glorified to a certain degree.
Yeah.
They can find each other.
Yeah.
And when there's just so many people on earth
and they can find each other like that,
there's bound to be a handful of them
that congregate in the same space.
And on top of that, I think that there's,
like people get radicalized.
Like you see this other content
and it pushes you into places you haven't been before
and you actually get worse.
And so there's a feedback loop there.
It's like riot mentality, but website-based.
Yeah.
So I just, I find,
and this has been talked about a million times
by people way wiser and more intelligent than me,
but it's really, really frustrating
when something like this happens
and they broadcast pictures and their writing
and their name and everything,
because it makes them famous within various circles.
Well, on the bright side is
I was researching this story today
and I still don't know the dude's name.
Perfect.
Okay, cool.
That's cool.
Good.
So what happens was Cloudflare steps up
and they made a big blog post statement
saying why they pulled services from this particular website
which is, they stress not something that they want to do.
We have some quotes here saying,
we reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible.
Like we try to host a lot of companies
that we think are bad people in the name of free speech
and giving platform to as many voices as possible.
But there's a line quoting again,
but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated
they directly inspired tragic events
and are lawless by design.
HN has crossed that line.
While removing HN from our network
takes the heat off of us,
it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online.
That's a big thing.
A lot of people are saying, well, like,
this isn't gonna do anything.
The site's just gonna go back up online tomorrow
and if it doesn't, another site like it will.
Websites are really hard to squash.
There's a lot of places you can go to stick around.
And yeah, I mean, the people that were on here
are still gonna be on the internet, so.
Yeah.
Although I think, I don't know,
sometimes when you remove a forum like that,
you just have to find somewhere else to hang out
and maybe you de-radicalize a little bit.
Maybe.
But it's the internet.
I find it interesting that they're not onioned,
because that's not even hard anymore.
I paused for a second before I said that,
because I was like, maybe I should give them the idea,
but then I'm like, it's pretty freaking obvious.
They're internet people.
Yeah, I think I probably figured it out.
A-Prime is here, he must hate something about the show.
No, I didn't realize you guys were.
I thought he was an enderman for a second.
What's an enderman?
Like those Minecraft games, where if you look at them,
it's like a problem, and he just like stands there
and takes things every once in a while?
And you're like holding something?
I feel like the fact that I've never really played Minecraft
is like a kid never having played Lego.
Yeah.
I feel like it's a, what a shame.
Yeah.
What a shame you never played Minecraft.
Yeah.
And what a tone pivot we just did.
Yeah, absolutely.
Back to the dark stuff.
Okay, so Instagram made a response, because.
Well, what happened was, after the Cloudflare thing,
the CEO of 8chan made a video,
and it's pretty interesting, it's really free speechy,
it's really, like there's a superimposed Benjamin Franklin
like picture in the background, like a wolf t-shirt almost.
Okay.
And he basically says like, look, we abide by the law,
we're always forthright, we work with the police
like within minutes of these attacks,
like we're not evil people, I'm not an extremist,
and this is a blank piece of paper
that people can use for whatever purposes they do,
and sometimes evil people like this use it in evil ways.
Okay, because that's not, free speech doesn't mean,
as far as I know, literally everything in America,
because I'm talking about the American one.
This is not my own country's laws,
so I'm not 100% on top of it,
but as far as I know, you can't do
like calls for violence and stuff.
So it's not purely a blank piece of paper, as far as I know.
Because that's not allowed.
Yeah, there's definitely limits.
Yeah, you're not allowed to say certain things,
like free speech to a certain degree.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
But then there were certain things
that he called out as facts,
like he said that the shooter posted not on the manifesto,
not on 8chan first, but indeed on Instagram first,
and he then also says that the manifesto
was not uploaded by that same user.
The shooter did not upload it.
He may have written it, but a different user uploaded it.
Obviously, if that's true,
then it would have been someone working with him.
Yeah.
And he also says that Cloudflare
has an impending initial public offering,
and they just want good PR in the lead up to that.
Okay, so something to talk about in Cloudflare,
I say this every time something like this
happens on one show, which is fairly often,
is Cloudflare is completely within their right to do this.
Of course.
They're not the American government,
they're a private company, they can do
whatever the hell they want.
We work with Cloudflare.
They could take full plane and line of tech tips
for them off their service if they wanted,
because that's completely within their rights.
So sometimes the free speech argument
when you're talking about a company
doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Right.
You can go after their policies
in regards to how they deal with that,
because an example that I like to bring up
is that the forum does not have anything like that
at all.
There's no free posting rules on the forum.
It's a tech forum.
We have an off topic section,
where you can talk about some stuff,
but we usually try to stay away from political things,
we usually try to stay away from whatever.
The reason for that is there's no paid moderators
on the forum, and those kind of topics
create a lot of work, and they're all volunteers.
That is actually the reason, is because
we have a bunch of volunteer moderators,
and when you do that, they can't moderate
the rest of the forum, which is actually
the important parts, in my opinion.
Just go somewhere else.
It's a tech forum.
There's a big old internet out there.
Exactly.
So I like to defend the company's ability
to do whatever in that regard,
because we have a similar problem on the forum.
This is obviously a ridiculously different scale,
but I think it is definitely up to the companies
to do whatever.
Now, Cloudflare has positioned themselves
for a long time as a defender of these types of things.
So that's where it starts to get a little bit interesting,
because Cloudflare has refused to take down
a lot of different websites.
Well, in their own words, they're struggling
to create a policy that can be broad and consistent
and applied again and again.
How do you word that perfectly,
so that it aligns perfectly with your values
across all these myriad situations
that are just getting crazier and crazier every day,
it seems like.
How do you make a blanket rule?
Yeah, so I can sort of understand the response
to a certain degree, because they've positioned themselves
as that entity that will defend kind of whatever.
But then I just want to keep in mind
that it is a private company, it's not the US government.
That law doesn't really apply.
Well, their mission statement is something like
to create a better internet.
And the definition of better, though.
Yeah.
It really depends, does that mean career?
It's really big, yeah.
Or does it mean safer?
Yeah.
Who knows?
So after the CEO of HN made that statement,
actually Instagram or Facebook responded,
saying Instagram said that the shooters manifesto
wasn't, was not first uploaded to Instagram indeed.
They did find an Instagram account
that was tied to the gunman and they disabled it,
but it had been inactive for over a year.
So who knows?
What does this HN CEO know?
What is this Facebook PR person telling us?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of interesting how it's turning into like a,
no the crazy guy posted something on your site first,
kind of battle, that's a little funky.
I don't know, none of this is good.
But when the Christchurch shooter did this thing,
he streamed it, was that not on Instagram that he streamed
or was it Twitch?
Facebook I think.
I don't think it was Twitch.
I'm not sure, oh right, yeah, good call.
I'm actually not sure,
but I think it was a Facebook owned entity.
I thought it was Facebook itself.
Okay.
Facebook.com.
But I'm really not sure.
But that one had weird ties to,
like he called out, subscribed to PewDiePie
and he did all this stuff,
which was like really stupid
and didn't make any sense at all.
And there was a bunch of other stuff that,
it's really interesting how it's kind of the reverse
of the like NASCAR idea,
where like when one of these crazy things happen,
everyone tries to figure out anything
that they had any interest in
and then applies evil to that.
You know what I mean?
So, speaking of evil,
that was awesome timing.
So out of focus.
And that's the end of that topic anyway.
Yeah, perfect.
Cause I didn't really want to talk about it anymore.
What up, what up ladies and gentlemen?
What topic?
Oh, this is not my laptop.
What topic is no fun and no good?
Eight Chan taking,
or Cloudflare taking down Eight Chan.
Oh, lordy.
Yeah, we thought we'd get rid of that
before you showed up.
Yeah, that's a complicated topic.
I actually had wanted to talk about that.
Okay, throw your input.
Cause I feel like a broken record
on these types of topics.
Oh.
Oh yeah, I love bios updates
that are completely like,
okay, I can postpone it.
Wow, there's a countdown.
Unflet, sure.
Nothing should ever automatically bios update.
Can we just agree on that?
Yes, we can.
We can.
You know what?
No, I'm gonna play devil's advocate.
How?
Because in the event.
I just watched a video from Paul
and he said one of the highest shame things to do
is have your computer brick
because power goes out while it's bios updated.
In the event, remember this is a device in this case
which has a built in UPS, effectively.
Okay.
So there's that, they do have.
That does help.
They do have one safeguard in place.
This is really not going well.
I think it went away.
Nevermind, it went away.
There's an error.
There's a weird error.
Like unrecognizable error.
Okay.
Okay, okay, okay.
Oh, we did it and it did it again.
Okay, now it's hard for me to do this
but I'm defending this behavior right now.
Okay.
I'm playing devil's advocate here.
All right, what's that box?
I don't know, just hold on for a second here.
Okay, there's some kind of horrendous
CPU security exploit.
Okay.
The only mitigation is like a microcode update.
Okay.
Your computer's bios, it should update.
It should like make you do that.
I don't think it should automatically happen on a timer.
No, I don't really disagree with you.
I'm just being an ass.
Okay.
I think it should tell you and be like,
yo, you should like really do this.
But yeah, I don't think.
Okay, so on the subject.
Because what if your battery's low?
Well, you'd think it would check.
Like the bios can read the battery percentage.
Are you sure that did?
Maybe.
It didn't look too sophisticated.
Okay, so hold on a second.
Let's talk about the whole 8chan thing that went down.
So my main take on this.
So there's a couple of things.
I am pro free speech.
But here's the thing that a lot of the people upset
about Cloudflare blocking 8chan seem to have overlooked.
Free speech.
I mean, okay, there's a number of ways
that free speech gets misunderstood by the average person.
Way number one,
free speech is protection from government persecution.
Not the right to just say anything you want
to anyone you want with no ill effects.
That is not what free speech means.
So the other thing too,
is the general concept of your rights ending
where someone else's begins.
Cloudflare is a private enterprise exercising.
They're very similar to free speech.
Like there's a lot of things
that are not technically speech
that get protected by free speech.
But they are effectively exercising
their free speech rights to not deal with
or have any association with 8chan.
Okay, point number three,
that seems to get misunderstood by a lot of people.
The United States of America is not actually the world.
I didn't bring up that one.
I did bring up the previous point.
That's usually one of your favorites.
Yeah, I know it is.
Yeah, no, I brought up the like,
it's a private entity thing,
but I didn't bring up the America
isn't actually the entire world argument.
Okay, I don't know that one just,
I get such a kick out of that one
because I always get these messages
whenever I'm in another time zone.
Linus, why are you uploading at three in the morning?
Because East Coast USA is just one of believe it or not
more than 24 time zones.
There are a lot of time zones, it's amazing.
You'd be floored.
You'd be floored by how many time zones there are.
All right, so we can go ahead.
We can move on to the next topic.
Yes.
Why is this not, why is this doing this?
How many times do I have to load my browser
to the perpetual Wancho document?
Okay, what have you guys talked about so far?
Just the 8chan thing.
That's it?
I think we should do the user benchmarking
because it's in the title.
Okay, let's do that.
So the user bench controversy.
So we were actually supposed to talk about this
when we did Wancho live at LTX.
Oh.
So we said it was one of our highlighted topics.
We were like gonna talk about it.
And then people got mad at me because they were like,
you guys are covering up for Intel again.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, chill for a second.
We got all wrapped up,
like giving away cool stuff to the audience.
Like we were just like having a good time
and actually we didn't cover a ton of topics that day.
No, not at all.
For some reference of how much I've completely forgot this.
I'm the one that decided it was our headliner topic.
And I got him to pose for it and everything.
And I don't think I'd ever seen this before.
So the only reason I brought this up
was because I saw a couple of comments
that people were like,
hey, you guys said you were gonna talk about this.
I was like, yeah, we did actually.
Okay, we should do that.
I hope you called it out as your call to topics
because I don't remember this literally at all.
So user benchmark or user bench or whatever it's called.
Yeah, user benchmark.
Which I have actually never heard of.
Should I have heard of user benchmark?
Let me go make.
Okay, I have, maybe I've heard of it at some point.
But user benchmark has never actually been
part of our benchmarking suite.
You're sharing screen sharing by the way right now.
It's never been part of our benchmarking suite
here at Linus Media Group.
I have never run it out of idle curiosity.
So I thought it was something else.
No, I've never seen this either.
Okay, cool.
So anyway.
Apparently they get millions of website traffic
every month.
So that's cool.
Apparently they recently adjusted
their score weighting mechanism.
So previously they weighed single core performance
as 40% of the score, quad core as,
or quad threaded.
Jump back real quick.
I can sort of show.
Quad threaded performance as 50% of your score
and multi-core performance as 10% of your score.
I have fixed it now.
So you can see on their scoring things
they have percentage values, user rating percentage values,
single core, multi-core.
I don't actually see the quad core thing
which is the highest weighted one.
So not sure, but don't worry about it.
But they have everything like set on the top here.
Okay, so they came out and they were like,
however, due to unrealistic scores of many core CPU's
like Ryzen 3000 series,
Userbench changed their weighting system as follows.
40% single core,
58% quad core
and only 2% multi-core.
So previously it was 40% single core,
50% quad core and 10% multi-core.
So they dropped the multi-core by a lot.
All right, so this riled up AMD fans
who want to see their team's processor
at the top of the chart.
And you guys shouldn't be fans
of microprocessor manufacturers
because I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, okay?
They don't care about you.
What?
I know.
They care about their shareholders.
I'm sorry Luke.
This hurts my feelings, I appreciate it.
I'm damaged now.
Anyway, so this riled up the people who are fans of AMD.
And to be clear, I'm not down on being excited
about competition in the marketplace.
I'm excited about that, but I'm not a fan of AMD.
I am not a fan of Intel because at the end of the day,
business is business and that's all it is.
Okay, so there's riled up AMD fans
who are fans for whatever reason.
Because the $120 quad core Core i3-8100 now beats,
oh wait, no, sorry, this is a point of clarification.
So here's the thing though,
AMD processors were not the only ones negatively affected
in terms of their perceived value by these changes.
So the $120 quad core Core i3-8100 now actually beats
Intel's $2,000 18 core Core i9-9980XE in the rankings
because of its higher boost frequency, oops.
So user benchmark has hundreds of thousands
of benchmark submissions in its database
that influenced the purchasing decisions
of nearly 10 million visitors each month.
Wow, this sounds like an ad for user benchmark,
which I've never heard of.
Following the July, 2019 cohort,
we noticed the CPU gaming and desktop indices
were overestimating all CPUs with core counts beyond eight.
So we updated that index.
So this is basically them sort of clarifying
why this was done.
You know what?
I understand why AMD fans are mad
because their Threadripper CPUs now don't look as good.
But the thing that people have to understand is that
while I don't necessarily agree on 2% as the right number
for workloads that will take advantage of a Threadripper
for the average user, it's definitely less than 10%.
Yeah.
And like from the wording that I've seen,
it literally says it's geared towards gamers.
They say that in the text on their website.
So I think user,
I think what they could do is a couple of things.
They could improve this system
by either updating it frequently
because if the idea is that they wanna wait,
they wanna wait the workloads that are likely
in the present day more heavily,
that makes total sense.
That absolutely makes sense.
Or what they could do is they could allow you
to run it a couple of different ways.
So you could run it in like today mode
or you could run it in forward-looking mode.
As software gets more multi-threaded,
I'm gonna care more about that.
I wanna buy a future, I hate the F word,
but a more future-proof.
A future-proof processor.
Yeah, no, one of the things that I like about that concept
is just you could even pick the future one
knowing that you have some use cases now
that could use multi-core more.
And just be like, I am a future man.
Future man.
But I like the idea of being able to mess with it
so you could go like, okay, multi-core
is this percentage important to me.
Quad-core is this percentage important to me.
Single-core is this percentage.
Some of the problems there
is some people aren't gonna recognize
how important single-core is
due to a whole bunch of reasons
and other various things, but yeah.
I mean, it's interesting.
I do agree with multi-core being down.
Again, but I don't know about the 2%.
I don't know about 2%.
That seems pretty low.
On the other hand, and if they're looking at it going,
yeah, an upcoming 32-core Threadripper,
or wait, there's a 32-core now, isn't there?
Yeah, so an upcoming 64-core Threadripper
or something like that.
For the average user's workload,
no is not going to perform 80% better
in, I don't know, Far Cry 5, whatever, Battlefield 5.
It's not actually materially faster
in workloads that most average users are gonna be running.
No, I will restart later, computer.
Wow, it's really annoying.
You know what could be kind of fun?
Yeah.
Benchmarking, not that this news matters enough
to necessarily do this,
but having a video where you benchmark
the i9-9980XE versus the i3-8100.
Just go, like, how does-
Wait, we've done that video.
That exact video?
Not quite, but I think we did $100 CPU
versus $1,000 CPU.
Okay, so close, but we're talking 120 versus two grand,
but similar, very similar.
Let me see if I, I don't remember exactly what we,
oh, no, we did, as a $600 CPU,
10 times more powerful than a $60 one.
That's pretty close.
People hated that video.
Why?
They were just mad.
I don't know why they were mad.
Yeah, it has like a 10-
That's a lot of dislike.
It's like a 10% dislike ratio.
I don't, I don't get it.
What were people mad about?
Oh, some people were mad
because I kept calling it a Core i7,
because this was back when Core i9s were new,
and I was like-
That was a hard vocal shift.
I don't blame you too much.
Is the $600 Linus more powerful than a $60 loser?
What even are these comments?
Yes, title is clickbait, $64 instead of $60 reported.
Oh, get over it.
Okay, you know what, piano banana,
let's answer your question.
I'm watching every video from you for years
and have an important question you never answered.
What should I do when I want to share my mouse and keyboard
between multiple computers at once?
Wait, are they just joking about,
it must've had like a synergy spot.
It's gotta be an ad spot.
It has to be an ad spot.
I'm sure you mean sponsor spot.
Oh, sorry.
But yes.
Spawn.
There was a sponsor spot for Synergy.
Oh, very, very funny.
There was a lot of synergy ad spots.
Sponsor spots.
We don't do ads online as tech tips
because ads might compete with Google's ad formats.
That's why we only do sponsor spots.
I am so sorry, Google.
I apologize.
I will take whatever punishment you deem proper.
Go sacrifice a marshmallow to our overlords
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You can sacrifice them into your tummy.
That's perfectly acceptable.
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Yeah, Honey is the sponsor that has been spamming everyone
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Okay, yeah, so we've followed up on that.
Okay.
So this is awkward.
You know what?
We're talking about the regular lower 30s.
So we have talked to them about that.
And I think what we're gonna do
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That's the biggest problem.
It was terrible.
I've just been clicking a Linus Tech Tips video.
And I'm like, I didn't click WAN Show
because this is a bunch of WAN Show spots.
I'll get a tech link spot.
And I'm like, what are you really looking at?
I think that's one of the nights
that I just literally didn't sleep the night before
because something crazy was happening at FlowPlane.
I look so haggard in that video.
Oh my goodness.
I watched it and I was just like, oh no, oh no.
I'm happy they're focusing on Linus
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I'm like, no, stop.
Please.
That should be fixed by Monday.
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Okay.
So there have been some epic battles.
You've been so excited about this.
On YouTube over the years.
Some epic battles.
Oh!
One epic battle.
Oh, no, we're going that direction.
One epic battle was between the epic rap battles,
characters Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.
That truly was a spectacular episode of epic rap battles.
More importantly, there was the epic battle
between T-Series and the one and only Felix Kjellberg.
Is that how you pronounce it?
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
PewDiePie, okay?
PewDiePie.
You know, for top, top subscribed channel.
Now-
Kjellberg, I like it.
We're not in a position,
we're not in a position to battle
over the top most subscribed YouTube channel of all time.
But there is a rivalry that has actually been heating up
over the last little while.
And so I just want to take this opportunity to say it.
Marques, MKBHD, I choose you.
Consider yourself called out because,
now people who creep YouTube stats might know this already,
but most of you probably don't.
Marques actually, what, four years ago?
Five years ago, I think, skyrocketed past Linus Tech Tips
for most subscribed tech channel.
Then Lou actually blew past both of us,
but we're not talking about that.
This is a race for the silver medal.
Second English speaking, okay, technical guruji,
technically over 10 million subscribers.
Second English speaking tech YouTube channel
across the 10 million subscriber mark.
Marques, consider yourself called out because,
and I'm sure you noticed this, man,
we actually passed you for subscribers about,
what was it, about six months ago, Brandon?
Does that sound about right?
Okay, now with that said,
the race is gonna be super interesting
because Marques actually passed us again
about two or three weeks ago.
But then, check this out,
so he's gaining an average
of around 4,800 subscribers a day.
Yeah, yeah, that was a Note 10 launch.
Don't worry about it.
So he can be very spiky,
but he's gained an average of about 4,800 subscribers a month
and he's sitting at 9.054 million.
Now, by comparison, the Linus Tech Tips channel-
4,800 subscribers a day.
A day, sorry, a day, a day.
It's like 140 a month.
By comparison, the Linus Tech Tips channel
is a little behind.
We're actually about 80,000 subscribers behind,
but that is not an insurmountable difference
when you look at our daily average,
which is about 5,500.
So-
We could win this fight.
Also, one thing, a little bit of a hot fire,
he's a B plus rated, you're A minus, so-
Yeah, so Social Blade.
Social Blade knows what's up, right there, A minus.
You like that?
You like that A minus right there?
It's green, his is yellow, just saying.
Yeah, so.
All right.
Marques.
It's on.
What's up, bro?
It's on.
So I'm challenging Marques to be the next one,
the next tech channel to 10 million before us.
And I'm challenging you, our community,
to help, help me out here, please.
Because-
We've been watching it internally.
Like, it's something that I don't think I've met a YouTuber.
They might deny it in public,
but I don't think I've met a YouTuber
who doesn't creep other YouTubers on Social Blade.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We all use Social Blade to like,
you're like, hey, how are other people in this space doing?
Yeah.
It makes sense.
So we talk about it internally, but now it's public.
So I really need you guys to help me out
because I am now officially out of the closet
when it comes to my YouTube stat watching habit.
And I would like very much to not be embarrassed.
So guys, share Linus Tech Tips with your friends and family,
preferably the ones that will actually watch
because it can actually affect us negatively
if people subscribe and then don't watch.
It makes YouTube think that like,
people subscribe and don't like the channel
because the content sucks.
So like, find someone who's actually techie
and make sure they subscribe.
If all 7,000 of you do that today,
then we can at least keep pace with him
over the last couple of days
because he's had a nice little bump from the Note 10
that I had not anticipated necessarily
before conceiving of the idea
of challenging him on the WAN Show today.
You should pull a Mr. Beast
and buy out all the billboards in an area,
but just to troll really hard,
buy them all out in his area.
So that when he like, drives around and stuff.
So don't say anything because we have some plans.
And I don't want you to accidentally say anything
that we actually have planned and ruin it.
Okay, so we'll talk offline.
Sounds good.
But yeah, we're, okay, tell you what, tell you what.
I can't tell you guys this unfortunately
because it would really, it would really ruin a thing.
But I'm gonna tell Luke
and you get to judge by his reaction how funny this is.
Dot picks up really.
Okay, I'll be very quiet, I'll be very quiet.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10,
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25,
26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38,
37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 45, 46, 48, 48, 48,
49, 49, 50, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51,
51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51,
51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51.
51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 52, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51,
51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51, 51,
Okay, okay, sorry.
So anyway, Marcus, I choose you, bring it on.
That's all I have to say about that.
Oh god.
If he responds with anything anywhere near that amazing, this is going to be absolutely
fantastic.
Officially best tech feud of all time.
Wow.
Because the tech feud between AMD and Intel is officially over.
Intel is just not really participating in the feud anymore, it seems.
Oh wait, I didn't mean to actually share my screen there, that doesn't matter.
The original article here is from our bud, Patrick Kennedy, over at servethehome.com,
and his headline pretty much says it all, AMD Epic 7000 2 Series Rome delivers a knockout.
So if in the consumer space, AMD got competitive with Intel and managed to pull out ahead in
given workloads, particularly multi-threaded workloads, because when we talk about AMD
being great for gaming with Ryzen 3rd Gen, we're talking AMD caught up to Intel, and
they now beat them a couple times, but Intel still at the top end of their stack is the
best performing CPU strictly for gaming.
When we talk about the server land world place thing in the clouds, those are workloads that
are inherently heavily multi-threaded, an area that AMD has cemented a firm grasp on
when it comes to performance leadership.
And this is bad.
So remember that video I made a little while back where I talked about how I can't hold
tech stock because it would be a significant conflict of interest, if I didn't feel that
that was too much of a conflict of interest.
Here's the thing, I make my money through ads and sponsorships and merch sales and all
kinds of different ways.
So the way that I look at it is like, okay, I can't have my hand in every honey jar, okay?
So playing tech stocks is gonna be a honey jar that I just cannot ethically participate
in.
And you know what?
I need to be comfortable with that because I have all these other ways that I make a
very good living.
I'm not complaining at all.
So I'm just gonna be like, you know what?
I'm not gonna do that.
But if I had had the opportunity, I legitimately, even though I don't actually participate in
stock trading, I would have bought so much AMD that day.
And honestly, it was not because desktop Ryzen was like gonna be competitive or whatever.
That was what the word on the street was.
That was what AMD was broadcasting, shouting from every rooftop that they could.
The thing that I was actually excited about was this.
That is the Epic announcement.
Wow.
Okay.
So when we go back to, when was Computex?
Like sometime in June.
Okay.
So Computex is like what?
Mid June.
Oh yeah.
No, this is the spike, right?
Yeah.
Early June.
Here we go.
So it was actually pretty similar.
This kind of like downward trend and stuff like this stuff can be all over the place,
but you gotta remember when you're buying a stock based on the quality of the product
portfolio, right, and the competitive position of the other players in the same market, we're
not talking about holding something for like a month or two and going, okay, that was my
gains.
I cash out and like you flip it and buy something else.
Because the thing is for an actual competitive advantage, not just like, oh, there's a rumor
of a buyout or a merger, blah, blah, blah, like that kind of stuff that really causes
stocks to spike and decline or like large shareholders dumping to artificially deflated
and then buying in low or whatever.
Like there's all kinds of things that can affect a stock.
If you want to capitalize on something real, like the actual position in the market of
the company, you need to take a longer position.
And what I had an inkling of at that time was that over the next couple of years, AMD
was going to win back significant market share in a space, not gamers, guys, there's no margin
in gaming chips.
Like there's a little bit, but come on, not, not gaming chips.
I'm talking the big stuff.
I'm talking $7,000 CPUs of which to go in one blade server of which there are four per
freaking like you like server of which there are like, you know, 16 or 18 per freaking
cabinet of which there are a hundred in a data center.
That's the big business.
That's the big money.
That's where AMD is going to be coming back in their next quarterly earnings report.
Maybe not even the next one, because after you launch a product like this, it takes a
while for those big requests for quotes to come in, or I think it's actually short for
request for quantity.
I think it can go either way, whatever.
That's where those RFQs come in and you know, you look at it, you, you, you put together
a quotation, the buyers take it, they talk to their upper management, blah, blah, blah.
There's a whole process, but it's going to, yeah, it's going to take a quarter or two,
maybe even three, but that's where AMD's quarterly earnings at some point in the next
year are going to look like this.
That's where it's going to spike hardcore.
And that's where I was looking at it going.
That's why I would want to take a position now heed my warning.
Since I said that, since I made that video, AMD has already spiked significantly.
And I am not in a position where I am advising anyone to buy or sell stocks.
That is not my job.
I am not an analyst.
Remember, no matter how good things look, stuff could go wrong.
Dr. Sue could die of how excited she is about how amazing her company is performing right
now.
Or a fab could have a problem.
Yeah.
TSMC could explode.
Okay.
That could actually happen.
China could get really upset.
Yeah.
Remember, remember when what was it?
Floods in Thailand that like, well, with that said, WD and Seagate stock actually spiked
because of that, because they just sold hard drives for more margin.
But anyway, that's a whole other thing.
Something I've been.
Yeah.
The point is stuff can go wrong.
I'm guaranteeing nothing, but this was what I was actually amped about, but couldn't really
talk about because I had nothing concrete to go on at that time.
Zen 2 is a freaking beast.
I wish I had my swear button so I could bleep myself because I wanted to use a different
word.
Okay.
So epic 7,002.
Can you show your doc for a sec?
I can.
Yes.
Uh, James, why?
We need to do like a word count thing for how many times AMD and Epic were typed in
this.
Well, AMD is having a pretty epic run here.
It's amazing.
Every single line, AMD epic, the AMD epic, the AMD epic, AMD.
Pretty much.
You should read through Patrick's article cause it's great.
But pretty much almost across the board, except at the very low end, Epic is just, I mean,
it's just crushing it.
I mean, for a single socket, we're talking 128 PCI express lanes versus what is it?
It's either 46 or 56, something stupid like that.
Like over double the PCI express lane count when we're talking big data and machine learning
and stuff like that.
A lot of the processing isn't done on the CPU anymore.
It's done on GPU's.
So this, these or not even GPU's, I mean, there's other specialized processors.
Intel just released their FPGA thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Intel themselves seems to know this.
Okay.
But other than that, you need massive storage.
You need PCI express for that.
Everything is PCI express now.
They've got way more memory bandwidth.
They actually run it faster.
Memory speeds, DDR4 3200 versus 2933 and they've got two more channels per chip.
They completely re-architected the way that the memory actually connects to the CPU.
And this is really cool because I was actually doing a video on Intel skull trail the other
week.
Remember skull trail?
Yeah.
Okay.
That was Intel's dual socket gaming enthusiast platform.
It was eight cores at a time when nothing had eight cores in the consumer space anyway.
And I was blown away because I pulled up task manager and I noticed that it only had one
Numa domain.
And I was like, Oh my God, it had a Northbridge.
So the CPU's, the CPU bones connected to the Northbridge bone over the front side bus and
the Northbridge bone connected to the, the FB dim memory bone.
So there's no latency penalty for this CPU to grab data from Ram that's connected to
this CPU's integrated memory controller because there is no integrated memory controller.
Okay.
But integrated memory controller is still has a benefit over that archaic architecture
because basically having a Northbridge means everybody gets a latency hit instead of only
when you have to cross into another domain.
Now with Epic second gen, AMD actually architected effectively a more Northbridge like system
with fewer Numa domains, except it's all on, it's all on chip.
So there, I forget what they call it.
What's their IO hub thing that they're building into the thing.
They made the IO die, the center of the server, blah, blah, blah.
I forget what they actually call the damn thing though.
Sorry, you'll have to forgive me.
I don't remember what their, what their term is for it.
But what this means is that the best case scenario.
So just like with the Northbridge, the best case scenario for memory access actually gets
a little bit worse, but the worst case scenario gets way better, especially in dual socket
configurations.
What's that?
I think it's still called Numa nodes.
No, no, no.
The IO hub.
The IO hub has a name.
Yeah.
I forget.
I forget what it's called.
Okay.
Let's give, let's give Patrick's articles some shout outs here.
It's pretty awesome.
Let's just find it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, Patrick, you don't label your pages.
Dude, was to move the traditional Northbridge functions, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et
cetera.
Come on.
You're killing me here, dude.
Okay.
Something, something, something, something.
I'm dying.
Andy's approach is different.
Integrated server controller hub, the SCH.
I think that's it.
Uh, no, that's not it.
Is that it?
Maybe that's it.
You know what?
It doesn't matter.
I don't care what they call it.
The point is, the point is they have smoothed out the latency for memory accesses.
They have sped up the memory.
They have more channels.
They have a 15% IPC uplift over first gen epic, which is freaking phenomenal.
They have up to a 64 core product.
I mean, we are talking Intel's dual socket servers having a difficult time competing
with AMD's single, single socket chip and ignoring price, AMD's 64 core chip.
The top spec one is like 7,700 us dollars.
A single Intel 28 core.
Okay.
Single one is 10 grand for their top spec chip.
Now, you're going to get those at lower prices if you're buying in volume or blah, blah,
blah, whatever.
Just assume that AMD's got discounts on offer two, depending on how much you're buying.
The point of the matter is just that Intel is not competitive and then their pricing
is out of whack.
There is basically, now I want to get Epic in house here.
I want to play with it.
I want you guys to play with it for like a video transcode server.
I'm working on it by the way.
So I want to get Epic in house, but as far as I can tell, outside of some very specific
use cases, like if you must have AVX 512, which is an instruction that AMD has not implemented
yet, if you must have it, AMD don't got to back, but that's about it.
I was going to say for a vast majority of other stuff, AMD list prices on competitive
parts are 25 to 35% of what the compute performance would cost to get from Intel Xeon comparables.
That's compute performance costs, not like chip per chip.
So that's actually like more important.
That's savage.
It's savage.
It's savage.
We're bringing that back.
It's savage.
We're going to like 20 to 18.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Savage beating.
It's like, it's hard to watch.
You know?
Yeah.
It's hard to watch.
Like Jake Paul?
Yeah.
Oh, equally hard to watch.
Nice.
I don't know.
I've never watched a Jake Paul video.
It might be great.
I wouldn't know.
Speaking of things I wouldn't know, I wouldn't know how to get rid of Nick other than to
tell you guys about the hoodie I'm wearing right now.
Oh, really?
Oh, it's not?
I thought they just took pictures now.
Oh, okay.
This is not on sale yet.
Sorry, Nick.
What can I do for you?
Did you see the thing that lights ain't you?
Oh, that.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's talk about that.
Also, did you guys talk about how like there's a rumor that Dr. Sue's going to IBM or whatever?
What Dr. Sue might be going to IBM?
Well, like there's a rumor.
There's a rumor.
It doesn't seem very substantiated to me is that she directly responded to it being like,
this is not true, which to me makes it more true.
She said it's not true.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Denied a rumor she wants to be IBM's next chief exec.
That would be lame.
That would just be a lame move.
I was talking to Anthony.
We're like, maybe IBM just buys AMD.
I don't know if IBM could buy AMD and retain the x86 license though.
I think that would be the issue.
Yeah.
There'd be like no value to it.
The licensing around that kind of stuff is crazy.
Yeah.
And also there, that would be a significant market consolidation because IBM and AMD actually
AMD is poised.
That's a really interesting thing too.
They're also poised with these massive many core CPU's, PCI express gen four, they're
poised to take on IBM potentially in applications where firms wouldn't have to completely re-architect
because that's one of the things that IBM does so well is they focus on the interconnect
rather than focusing on just the performance of their power cores.
So they're like Z series in particular is really designed for like many, many transactions
and connect all the fricking things to it.
And AMD is really taking a very similar approach with x86 that Intel has largely ignored over
the last four years.
So if I was Dr. Sue, I mean, I don't know what her executive bonus package looks like
or what IBM could offer her, whatever the case may be.
But if I were Dr. Sue and I were looking to leave a legacy behind, I would probably try
to make it at AMD and just kick IBM's ass instead of joining them.
Just for like a bill and Ted level overview of this.
It's just boring.
Stay at AMD.
It's more fun.
Yeah.
It's like interesting.
It has made the industry so much more excited.
Exactly.
Stay.
Like I was so way more fun.
I was so bored of CPU's for a bit there.
Yes.
Like everyone was.
Yeah, no, apparently that's false.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So apparently that rumor about Dr. Sue being somehow related like your niece or something
to Jensen's like second cousin it's or it's no, I thought it was outright false.
Lisa Sue related to Jensen one.
Here we go.
That auto completed for me.
Sue technically her grandfather is Jensen.
Huang's uncle.
They are not exactly niece and uncle, but relatives is what this says from 2018.
I don't know.
I had people calling me out when I was talking about it and they confirm her grandfather
being someone's uncle.
That's relatively far.
It's like detached second cousin once removed or some crazy, yeah, whatever.
Okay.
I can't find anyone to go far enough back.
Cause I thought one of them denied it, didn't they 14th cousin, 32nd time removed Nick and
I are related.
Yeah.
All right.
Whatever.
It doesn't matter.
Let's uh, let's move on to something pretty sick.
Uh, Oh, apparently our Twitch title is wrong.
Dang it.
Whatever.
Oh, what do you have?
Oh wow.
Okay.
Nick wants, Nick really wants me to do a March update.
Okay.
I'm not that into the suede hat.
Can I show them one of the other ones for context?
Someone was wearing one earlier.
Who was it?
I think I know what it is.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we're working on a new hat for tech linked.
Um, it's going to have like this little metal thing in the corner and then it's either going
to be like a plain kind of suede style.
What do you think of that material?
It feels quality.
It does, but I think it's a different kind of personality that wears a suede hat versus
the other one.
What's up?
The like, you can see.
Oh, well yeah, that's just like, that's a characteristic of suede.
But that's what I mean.
That's one of the reasons why I probably wouldn't be super into it though.
Yeah.
I think I have as a completely outside person.
This is very trendy right now, but I like snapbacks.
You like snapbacks?
I'm that guy.
But this is trendier.
This is what people want as far as I know.
So I like the heather one.
Oh, this is nice.
Yeah.
I really like this one and this one actually.
They look the same, but they're not quite actually.
Oh wait.
Are these ones the same?
Oh, Oh, it's the pin.
There is another color of heather that's a little lighter.
I think the dark one is the one that I did.
I don't normally like gold, but against that, like the gray heather, I think it looks pretty
good.
So that's pretty cool.
That's not actually the one that I am most amped to talk about right now though.
So I'm going to go ahead and pop out this hangouts window because we are finally working
on the LTT merch that was like Thanos inevitable.
Yes.
How close are we to this?
Uh, we're, it'll, it'll be a while.
It'll be a while.
So first, first there's going to be a mouse pad.
So we're actually going to throw this up.
We're going to pull people on this.
Can I?
Oh yes.
I can pick a design to tell us what designs they like best by doing pre-orders.
So we're going to do, no, that's a disaster.
It's a bad idea.
So we're probably going to do a 10 key list and a full size size with like a nice reasonable
mousing area.
Full size, like this kind of, okay.
So we've got kind of your, okay.
So something that we've done intentionally is left the mousing area, mostly blank.
So that's to make sure that we don't have any tracking issues introduced by the graphics.
Now most modern, like high-end mice won't have an issue with that, but we want everyone
to be able to use them.
Here's a more colorful version.
It's kind of like winter slash Northern lights kind of inspired.
Here's just like an LTT circle logo inspired one.
I think this one's a little busy personally.
This is my first time actually seeing these by the way, guys, they look like they do kind
of look like dongs.
I think we're out.
The first thing I said, yeah, we're out on the dong, we're out on the black and white
dong design and probably the orange dong design too.
I, yeah, we could just do something a little bit more abstract like this.
This is dead on arrival.
Yeah.
Here's, Oh, the tech link actually looks really good.
Yeah.
I like that.
That one's that was sharp actually.
The tech linked branding lends itself really well to like clean, cool designs.
Yeah.
And yeah, I'm going to throw out all my socks and buy a bunch of these.
It is inevitable.
Yep.
It was going to happen also.
I don't know if you guys can see this, but yes, confirmed.
We are working on a sandal.
Okay.
Can I petition?
I don't know anything about what you guys are doing.
Yeah.
It's going to be a while guys.
Like you'll be wearing these sandals next summer.
Okay.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I mean if it makes it by then I'm happy.
Everything.
If everything goes according to plan, you will wear them next summer.
You guys now need second layer bottoms.
So like not underwear bottoms because then if you do that with this, you'll have every
piece.
So I actually don't want, I would be every, I just killed that project, but that would
be every.
Okay.
Here's the, I didn't.
Well, yeah.
It was like a month ago.
You could be a hundred percent LTT.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Chill out for a second here.
Chill out for a second here.
So pants are really tough.
Sizing is really challenging.
Not like jeans.
You got to hold on.
Even then you got to accommodate all the different waist sizes, all the different leg lengths
and all the combinations thereof.
Okay.
So there's a huge like front-loaded investment to bring in all these different sizes.
That assumes that you can even figure out, you know, how to make the clothing fit nicely
with all these different body shapes and types.
Pants are hard.
Number two, what kind of pants?
Because jeans basically, you're not going to take on, I don't know what a popular jean
brand is.
Levi.
Sure.
You're not going to take on Levi's.
G star.
Yeah.
Sure.
So the pitch that I got, the pitch that I got was joggers.
Now I don't think I, they're basically very similar joggers are pretty much trendy sweat
pants.
And the thing is I didn't actually kill the project so much as I put it on indefinite
hiatus because, um, see the thing is, okay.
So the reason that I put it on indefinite hiatus is that from a, um, from like a being
excited about the merge standpoint, I don't wear sweat pants and I don't wear joggers.
Those are probably closer to joggers than they are to sweat pants.
Honestly.
The dream hack ones.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
They're very joggery sweat pants.
Yeah.
Like they're more fitted and stuff.
They're not just like, I'm sick today.
Yeah.
Those are, those are, those are probably basically I would basically, yeah, I would basically
want something that isn't, I'm sick today pants, but isn't jeans like, okay.
I don't know fashion, but yeah, something you could wear out, but we're not trying to
compete with jeans.
So, um, uh, what's her, what's her name again?
The uh, um, the mom of all the, the famous Kardashian people, uh, Kris Jenner.
So believe it or not, it was actually after a presentation from Kris Jenner of all people
where she was talking about how, how they decide on which business opportunities to
pursue because when you're the Kardashian slash Jenner clan, you have basically an endless
supply of people pitching you on endorsing their product or branding or whatever, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And she went, one of the most important things for us was to focus on what we're passionate
about because then you will never get bored of it.
What's up?
I actually don't, I actually do wear hats very rarely.
I used to wear a hat every day.
Okay.
That's fair.
So I actually like, I can understand the hat and when I go out on the weekend and I'm like
out in the sun, I will, I will take my hat.
Yeah.
I do wear my own.
Remember when you used to wear them all the time?
So um, so, and besides the hat project was actually already complete when I attended
that workshop.
So anyway, the reason that I killed the joggers and fast tracked socks and mouse pad, I just
want to eventually have more colors of water.
Italy eventually happened.
So what I told Lloyd and Nick, sorry, no, that's okay.
So what I told Nick and Lloyd was we're going to do it, but we're going to do it after we've
explored the things that I'm like really excited about and passionate about.
No, that's cool.
Like I am, I don't care if it happens in 2025 I just want to eventually be able to walk
out of the door wearing purely LTT here.
I hate it when the ice breaks free.
But the fancy new jacket takes the brunt of the blow and it wicks right off.
It does actually.
This is not actually a jacket though.
Okay.
Can you get the terminology right?
I'm sorry.
Okay.
This is the swacket.
What?
Swat jacket?
Sweater jacket.
Sweater jacket.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So feel the material here.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's kind of like athletic sweater.
Okay.
Feel the material here.
Definitely jacket.
It's kind of like athletic sweater between the, so you can still get soaked while only
getting a little bit soaked.
It's a swacket.
Okay.
Nice.
And it also has like more like out at night features like this is reflective.
Which is actually cool.
Reflective strip from front and back.
That's cool.
And I will also say it hit the sweater part of the sweater jacket combo and still wicked
off.
Yeah.
So my joke about getting soaked is not actually good.
So it's designed to be a little bit shoutier than stealth hoodie.
Yeah.
It is a bit more expensive.
Maybe about $30 more.
It's like particularly not stealthy.
But it's YKK zipper.
The material quality is really different.
Like it's higher.
Not that stealth is bad, just that this costs more.
And it retains one of the key features of stealth, which is of course the secure foam
pocket.
I'm just going to throw in there really quick.
The material on the stealth hoodie is actually like particularly nice.
We've had a complaint that I don't think is going to get solved, but Brett from UFD tech
was like, dude, I'm left-handed.
I know.
That's the video.
I don't think there's any solution to that.
I mean, we could do like a one-off for him, but other than that, no, we don't plan to
do like a left-handed design.
He'd probably freak out.
He'd probably freak out.
We made something one-off.
Is that possible?
I mean, anything's possible.
Is that doable?
Technically.
They are actually working on an order of stealth right now.
Is it possible to...
What size is UFD?
I don't know.
Medium.
Medium?
Is he a medium?
I could see if we could get him a lefty one.
Okay.
Can you see what you can do?
I'll see.
All right.
So guys, we are not doing a left-handed skew because it's just another...
It's a nightmare.
It's another inventory item to manage.
We're not going to do it.
It sucks, but you can go like this or you can pass it to your right hand.
Yeah, but...
It's totally possible.
UFD has pimped our merch so hard that just for him, we will try.
Yeah.
I'm not promising anything.
So anyway, we've got a bunch of different sandal designs to look at.
Some of them are immediately off because anything you can't run in like this, you're done.
You're done.
It's out.
My biggest thing is you have to like it and want to wear it like a lot.
So well, there are key considerations for me.
Like I do expect, even though I'm wearing sandals, to be able to run in them.
Yeah.
And so it has to be a design that straps in securely.
For your video where it was, I think it was Taran, where you had like a battle with him
about the pros and cons of sandals versus shoes.
I won that.
I know.
Because the sandal needs to win that.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
So it has to have everything that is good about a shoe.
Some of these designs actually look kind of sharp.
I think that's mainly just socks designs.
Is it?
Well, it's not like the sandal stuff is like by accident and we should absolutely coordinate
the sock design with the sandals, which is I think why he provided it this way, but some
of this is looking pretty...
I like this one actually.
I think this looks pretty good.
So my question about the whole like Kris Jenner stuff is like, where does the kimono fall
in that?
I have no idea.
I don't actually pay any attention to their merge crap.
So do you know what the kimono is?
No, it's Spanx with an extra scooping of cultural appropriation.
I don't know what Spanx are.
Do you know what Spanx are?
It's like those like...
Why would we know this crap?
Why do you know this crap?
Like not leggings, but like under garments to like tuck all the fat bits in.
Oh, okay.
Maybe I should know that.
She called it a kimono and then, cause she's Kim and then everyone got upset.
I actually give beyond the excellent message that was in part of that talk about business,
I give so few cares about the actual content and products over there.
I've had a minor, I might be one of the people that buys a whole bunch of element shirts
to expand their clothing because we, I had my dad over last night, yeah, that was epic.
I had my dad over last night to look into a plumbing issue at my house and we figured
out that the hot and cold water is unreliable because when they plumbed the apartment building
that I'm in, they run the cold water right next to the hot water and it heats up the
other pipe.
So we've, when I've been washing my clothes, they've all been shrinking.
So all my shirts are effectively larges now and they're supposed to be extra larges.
So I've like lost weight, but look heavier, which is sweet.
That's really cool.
So what are the other considerations for the sandal, durability, sandals.
It's okay.
Sandals always fail in the same spots.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Here.
Yeah.
There's just like a handful.
You've got less stuff holding on.
Yeah, there's a handful of spots that they fail.
You can see this is totally detached here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
I mean, how long have you had that though?
I expect a long lifetime out of my sandals.
Yeah, no, because I think this is the like second or third pair since I've known you.
No, it's probably like number four.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's like one every one and a half years or so.
It depends on when they fail.
No, I think that's, I think that's pretty reasonable.
So if we can, if we can get to that kind of level of quality and remember I wear them
every day like this, these are my everyday carry, um, every day strap, weaponized sandals.
Yeah.
So, Oh, which mouse pads do we like?
Uh, I can't figure out how to get back to the mouse pads.
I can't close this for some reason.
So I don't know.
Like escape isn't working.
I can't.
Are you guys doing a feedback thing?
Are you guys doing a straw poll or some other kind of, I think they're different files.
I think we're going to put it on Twitter.
Yeah, no, I know they're different files.
I just, I can't close this.
I don't know.
I don't know how to close it.
Oh wait.
I know what the problem is.
It's a separate tab.
There's you.
Well, there's your problem.
Uh, all right.
So yeah, I don't, I don't want to look at that right now.
I want to look at the socks.
So I like this one.
What do you think?
I like the top left one.
Yeah.
There's a little bit of color in my socks personally.
But what about doing like a different color?
We don't have to be married to orange.
I like orange.
I like the, are you guys doing one?
We don't know yet.
It's going to really depend on minimum order quantities.
We found a supplier who seems like fricking legit.
Like they make socks for brands that I've heard of, which is cool.
And like, not Hanes, like brands that make like high end hiking socks and stuff that
I have heard of.
And I was like, okay, cool.
So we found like a really good factory, we think.
But their minimum order quantities are like 3,500 pairs, stuff like that, like really,
really high.
Per size or in total?
Like dangerously high.
Like, like per, I actually, Lordy, I don't know.
Cause I was talking to Jono about this before the show.
And if you guys are vetting as well as you've vetted for everything else that's on the store
so far, I'm probably just going to throw all my socks away and get these and I'm not exaggerating.
We're going to do our best, but making like a sock that would satisfy me, which is what
it has to be, is not going to be easy and might even take longer than the sandal.
Yeah.
So, but that's, but that is why I'm probably going to do that.
So you know, the minimum quantity thing, maybe I'm going to make you start buying merch at
some point.
Well, I know.
Okay.
I'm going to have to.
Cause like, I can't just give you your entire wardrobe for free.
No, I know.
I know.
I actually don't want here anymore.
I was fully expecting to buy all of that.
I'm being very clear about this.
The I'm probably going to do an underwear swap at one point in time.
I've kind of decided that.
You're not the only one.
We have gotten so many orders for specifically like two packs of underwear, which is like,
nobody orders two packs on their first order.
Yeah.
That's cause they already have a pack.
Yeah.
And like three is laundry once a week with a buffer.
Yeah.
So I'm going to come to the point where I get a little bit annoyed when my LTT underwear
are not clean.
Cause then I'm like, now I have to wear some other junk.
I'm just like, that sucks.
Can't put other junk on your junk.
No, exactly.
All right.
Do we have any more topics for today?
Oh, there's some stuff.
Oh yeah.
Apple is locking iPhone batteries to the phone.
So the original article here is from iFixit.
So Apple has announced that only Apple batteries can go on iPhones and furthermore, only Apple
may install them.
RC mail posted this on the forum.
So if you replace your battery in the newest iPhone, so the 10s, the 10s max and the 10r,
a message indicating that you need to service your battery appears in settings, battery
next to battery health.
This service message is normally an indication that the battery is degraded and needs to
be replaced.
However, even if you put in a brand new battery, a first party Apple battery, you take two
iPhone 10s and swap their batteries, they will both display the error.
That is unless an Apple genius or an Apple authorized service provider authenticates
a battery to the phone, that phone will never show its battery health and will always report
this vague ominous problem.
So the way it works is that there's a Texas Instruments microcontroller on the battery
that provides information to the phone like capacity, temperature, and how much time until
it fully discharges.
There's nothing inherently wrong with that.
As far as I, I don't know of a phone that doesn't have that feature.
I mean, Apple's is a little bit custom, but like basically the thing that has changed
now is that the chips in the newer iPhone batteries include an authentication feature
that stores the info for pairing the battery to the iPhone's logic board.
If the battery doesn't have the unique authentication key, the iPhone's logic board is expecting,
you'll get the service message.
So I wonder if anyone can figure it out and if it would be even remotely worth it to swap
the microcontrollers.
Apparently yes, that would work.
Yeah.
It's extraordinarily difficult.
But that's what I mean.
It's more work than it's worth basically because, and this is something that is sort of, I guess
a saving grace of this move, other than giving you that message, it doesn't have an effect.
So you know how if your battery is degraded past a certain lifespan, Apple can throttle
the performance because it can't deliver the peak power that the phone needs in order to
perform its best or whatever.
Apple's degraded message here doesn't force the phone into that mode or anything like
that.
For now.
Hold on.
It just says degraded and otherwise the phone operates normally.
The problem as you ruined my transition to is that this is yet another bloody slippery
slope for Apple to lock down their devices even further so that nobody without Apple's
permission is allowed to open a device and service a device that you own.
Even Tesla is improving in this regard and like they do not have a good track record.
No.
So I don't really have anything else to say about that.
Like I do, I understand Apple's point to a degree.
You know, every time an iPhone blows up, it makes the news.
Apple doesn't want that and if they could, you know, look back at some telemetry data
that shows that that phone was giving a message to their owner that the battery needs to friggin'
be serviced and be like, well, that wasn't the battery we put in there.
That would be very nice.
That would be very nice for them.
I'm very conflicted on Apple right now because I kind of really want an iPhone as my daily
driver because it would be very nice for security reasons and the sign in with Apple stuff that's
coming and all that kind of stuff is really cool.
On the other hand, do you know how much a battery swap by Apple costs?
Exactly.
Right!
Yeah.
So there's like, there's the like, I really like privacy things and I really like right
to repair and right now they're not going together at all and that's pretty frustrating.
That being said, how many times have you had a battery swap in a phone that you actually,
well, you're a bad person to ask for this.
No, go ahead, ask me.
How many times have you had a battery swap on a phone that is your personal daily driver?
Oh, yeah, no.
Because I know you've had them for like the security phones and stuff, but that doesn't
really...
Yeah, no, no.
Like I've done phone battery swaps, but I change phones so often.
You know, the Note 9 might be my first one based on how the Note 10 looks because I'm
not upgrading to it.
Can we do a quick straw poll?
Sure.
I want to use the new polling service, but it's not ready yet.
Sure.
Hit me with that straw poll.
What do you want to know, Luke?
What do you want to know?
Should it be like more than once?
Can we assume that getting a battery swapped one time in a phone is not that big of a deal?
Sure.
Is that fair?
Yeah.
So have you had your battery swapped in your phone more than once, yes or no?
Sure.
Okay.
Yes, no.
And then, these types of polls have a tendency for people to only answer if they're in the
upset category.
So I want you to answer this.
Yeah, no matter what.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hit me with that poll.
I'm dropping it in YouTube.
You're dropping it in that YouTube?
Good job.
Are you going to drop it in that float plane?
Yeah.
Oh, you don't have the float plane stream up.
You know what?
That's why we wait.
It's already up.
Float plane is fast.
Satwit Kumar.
Have my free money.
Oh, thank you.
Steven Elswick.
Hey, from someone deployed overseas.
Love your channel.
Having your content to watch after a long day is how I relax and go float plane.
Yeah.
You know that if you give us a tip on YouTube, they take a bunch of the money and if you
do it on YouTube, float plane takes a bunch of the money, which is good.
I mean, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know what's really funny?
We have had some people...
We actually need a tip feature because this is probably an additional tip.
He's probably subscribed on float plane already.
We do.
We do need a tip feature.
We have had people that have contacted us asking to pay the higher tier.
Really?
That's why I had you update the description being like, hey, you get all the same things,
and then we had some people be like, yeah, no, I just want to pay more.
Oh.
We're like, oh.
When is 4K going to be ready?
Oh, okay.
Pretty soon actually.
Okay.
Well, we can roll out a 4K option.
That'd be pretty sweet.
Do we have a feature yet to quickly export people's emails if they want to be on a special
mailing list or whatever?
When are text posts coming?
That is...
When are all the features coming, Luke?
The user list export thing is something that was brought up very recently by EboxVox.
I'm sure it was.
And is not currently road mapped, but is interesting.
We're currently trying to fix some things.
Now that we've onboarded some creators, some more problems have surfaced because we haven't
onboarded creators in forever, so we're trying to smooth those over and then keep moving
forward.
Cool.
Okay.
I'm posting the link to Twitch.
Okay.
Because Twitch got ignored for a little bit because I had to sign it.
Hey, can you guys do a show about trying to get FreeSync working on a G-Sync monitor?
We could.
I actually don't know.
I don't know if you can do that because variable refresh rate...
That implementation of variable refresh rate from FreeSync may specifically not be supported
by NVIDIA Scaler, which is like a hardware piece in the monitor.
I don't know.
The answer is I don't know, so I might have said something dumb just there, but it wasn't
my fault.
Or at least wasn't my intention.
All right.
Let's have a look at our straw poll results.
Have you had your battery swapped in your phone more than once?
Wow.
So not many people actually.
No.
And this is from an enthusiast crowd.
So are you...
Okay.
Okay.
Hold on a second here.
So are you suggesting then...
Actually, I have a couple of different angles here.
So are you suggesting that we should just treat a battery swap once every three to four
years as part of device maintenance, and then after that, the phone has probably exceeded
its usable lifespan anyway, so off to the recycler?
Basically.
Okay.
Let me suggest that our enthusiast crowd may have actually swayed this poll the opposite
way you might think.
Oh, because they're buying devices more often.
Because they're probably buying devices more often.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Interesting.
That's part of the problem with like...
Pulling these guys.
Yeah.
Or any specific crowd.
We need a wider net.
That's interesting.
That might actually be very true.
I don't know.
Because I know...
I think the only person in my personal life that isn't me or you, that's gotten their
phone serviced or has worked on their phone to the point of taking it apart and swapping
things, that wasn't like the hot swap removable batteries from back in the day, is one of
my parents.
And that's it.
Right.
Yeah.
So I don't know of that many people that do it, but that's also an extremely narrow scope.
So that doesn't help either.
I don't know.
Ultimate fails.
Any plan to make a left phone pocket stealth hoodie?
Oh wow.
We covered that.
Ethan, free speech laws in the US are sticky.
Some speech becomes an action.
For example, death threats are illegal regardless of how they're conveyed.
Yep, that's a good point.
We did bring this up.
Ilya, hey guys, before LTX, you promised to host the next financial wearing only underwear,
including bras.
Did you lie?
We didn't lie.
We forgot.
And we also didn't promise, but I forgot.
I totally am down to do that.
You don't have to.
It's fine.
Win config.
Today we learned Linus is mostly libertarian regarding speech at least.
Here's the thing.
Labels are bad.
Labels do not promote independent thought.
So no, I would never call myself a libertarian.
I would never call myself a conservative.
I would never call myself a liberal.
I would never call myself right wing, left wing, or even centrist.
Someone's going to grab one of those.
Yeah, I know, right?
And then use it against you.
I would never say that Hitler was... No, I'm just...
Okay.
That clip of me does exist.
Now someone's... I know.
Yeah, I know.
But if it didn't, someone would just defake the rest of it on.
I know, right?
So anyway, I would never use a label to describe myself because a label does not adequately
convey the thoughts that I have about these kinds of complex issues there.
And they shouldn't for you either because just because the other libertarians think
something doesn't mean that you should.
Not every personal liberty makes sense.
Some of them do.
But you have to actually think critically about whether things are a good idea.
Yeah.
David says, depending on if you're talking about free speech as the first amendment protection
or free speech as a concept, because there's a distinction there that is correct.
But either way, what I said stands.
Nope, says you should collab with Mighty Car Mods.
That would actually be sick.
Yeah.
Thomas says, name your upload time and dot beats.
That would be really cool.
MB67, any chance of purchasing a float plane t-shirt?
We don't have plans for that right now, but it is something that we've given some thought
to.
Yeah.
Quidro says, just replaced my GTX 780, willing to sell it to Linus for $500.
Great deal.
I bought it new for 650, have original box and receipt, can't hold it for long, GPUs
are hot right now.
I think that message took about a year and a half to come through to us.
Spaghetti Bebo.
I'm auctioning the domain planefloat.com on GoTad.
Yeah, he's been bugging me about that.
Good luck with that.
We have no interest.
Have fun, dude.
Thanks for the money.
Sarah says, how to overclock a laptop i7, you need to have an overclockable laptop and
then you need to press the overclocking button in most cases.
Captain, Captain Nano, Captain, I don't know what you're talking about.
Can't sleep.
Take my sleep deprived money.
Okay.
Sure.
Thank you, Nick Sean says, unsubscribing from MKBHD.
Not my real dad.
No, don't do that.
This is all about more subscribers for LTT, not less for Marquez because Marquez is a
cool dude.
Um, IQ solutions reached out to my communities for you.
Keep it up.
Awesome.
Val says, bought merchant April to be shipped to Singapore back in April.
Hasn't arrived.
Support has been scarce, uh, because of the windup to LTX.
Okay.
Yes.
Email support.
Again, we will get it taken care of.
If not PM me on the forum.
Um, actually PM Nick, don't PM me.
I get too many PMs.
Uh, Lego man says I am watching while wearing one of my new element shirts I bought on last
one show.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's a case where we did chip it out quickly.
Yay.
Uh, Megan says Luke laughs at everything.
Tell us.
I can't.
I'm sorry.
How about a hat or mouse pad for float?
Okay.
We don't have a plan for flip flip.
Make more float plane gear.
Says Megan again.
Okay.
Elwood says LTT swimwear when LTT kids wear when my son, every time I bring home a new
merch item, he's like, daddy, is there one in kid's size yet?
I'm like, Oh kid.
No.
What am I?
Sorry.
It makes baby gear.
Do they really?
Yeah.
Of course they do.
They're Blizzard.
Yeah.
Um, why not one phone pocket on each side?
We actually like the symmetrical or the asymmetrical look.
I'm sorry.
It was, it was a style decision.
I'm sorry.
I'm not exactly a style expert costs more money.
I liked it.
Not much.
It's a style decision.
Okay.
Well, Reggie says, just wanted to give some support for getting the Epic news in there.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
Uh, joggers are running shoes.
Do shorts instead.
No, no joggers or pants, but depends where you're from.
You might be from like the UK or something.
Oh, you're from Australia.
Okay.
Well that explains the lingo difference.
Um, okay.
I think that's all we have time for today.
Oh, okay.
Nicholas says I carry two replacement batteries to swap on business trips.
Right.
It's an edge case and you know, you're an edge case, so cut it out.
Um, all right, so that's it for the WAN Show this week.
See you again next week.
Same bad time.
Same bad channel.
Except not.
I'm out next week.
I'm on vacation.
It's the same time on the same channel anyways.
I'm on vacay, but I'm not going to see you again next week.
Same bad time.
Same bad channel.
But he will.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause you're not on vacation.
I don't know who's going to be there with me, but someone, probably not physically.
Bye.
That was a good show today.
Oh Lordy, did we not update the float claim title either?
Dang it Luke.
Oh yeah.
No, you got that one.
That was a long one.