Real spicy topics.
I am on a two week streak of having no hot takes
on the WAN show.
And I'm afraid that it is about to end because I am angry.
I dropped in on Anthony's short circuit unboxings
of both the Mac studio and the new studio display.
And I think it would be fair to say
that I was quite upset by both of them.
Rage inducing.
But for one of them, I was upset in a positive way.
Oh, whoa.
That's right.
We're also gonna be talking about
the million dollar unboxing.
What else we got?
That sounds cool.
I have no idea what that is.
Xbox cloud gaming beta on Steam Deck.
I should have seen this coming, but didn't.
I don't know why, but I didn't see it coming.
Also Dr. Disrespect is developing an FPS game
that will give fans the chance to win an opportunity
to buy an NFT.
That's not a news topic.
That's just.
Okay.
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Let's jump right into the first topic.
Obviously we talked previously on the WAN show
in reasonable enough depth.
You guys, you guys, you watch the Apple event,
you know what's going on.
Two of the big products that Apple announced
are the Mac studio lineup featuring their new
up to M1 ultra chip, which is actually pretty cool.
The technology behind it,
the way that they're taking two separate GPU's
on two separate dies and fabricing them together
is something that has been conceptualized in the past,
but has not actually been done.
Apple did it.
I mean, they leapfrogged the supposed GPU specialists
when they do the whole fricking SOC,
like it's a feat.
But what was really frustrating about the Mac studio
was that Apple was just like,
oh, you want to upgrade it after the fact?
Well, you know what?
We were super cool about that with the Mac pro,
but for the Mac studio,
you can just go and take a giant fart, I guess,
because there's no upgrade ability.
Except.
Except maybe there is.
Anthony opened it up,
which is relatively straightforward.
You just pry off the little rubber ring on the bottom
and there's some screws.
The screws could have easily been somewhere else.
So you don't have to destroy the adhesive
on the rubber ring.
Thanks Apple.
But no, heaven forbid we have any screws
or engineer a little locking mechanism for the ring.
That would have been,
might come undone.
Technology like that simply doesn't exist.
Oh, of course not.
I walked in, Anthony was opening up the Mac studio
and I was like, hey, what's that thing?
And he picks it up.
He's like.
What is this?
SSD.
Not only can the SSD be removed and replaced,
but there's actually an extra slot.
An additional.
There's an additional one.
Not just like wired in,
but actually the hardware there, right?
Well, no, no.
Like there's a new, yeah, there's a slot.
I mean, why would they put a slot there
if it's not connected to anything?
Now.
Crazy.
Here, we have no way to confirm this yet,
but here is my worst case scenario.
My best case scenario, okay,
is that Apple will have these slots in there
and users could conceivably upgrade their storage
in the future without resorting
to external Thunderbolt storage.
That's my best case scenario.
We'll have companies like OWC releasing third-party SSDs
that you can upgrade your Mac with
or whatever the case may be.
That's my best case scenario.
You wanna hear my worst case scenario?
I think I can assume.
One of the things I noticed about the SSD module
is that it doesn't appear to have any DRAM
or any controller on it.
Now, there are DRAM-less SSDs these days
that you can achieve reasonable performance with,
and Apple does have DRAM right on package on the M1 series.
So conceivably, it could be using a small carved out amount
of its own DRAM to fulfill the same function.
Kind of actually, I kind of doubt that one
to be perfectly honest with you,
but it is conceivable that they could be doing that.
And we also know that the M1 series SOCs
contain SSD controllers.
So it is my worst case doomsday scenario guess
that Apple may actually be locking the capacity
through firmware with the excuse being encryption
and security.
Right, which is a commonplace excuse.
In spite of the fact that clearly it has not one
but two SSD slots, back to why it might have two,
why would you have two if it's not upgradable?
Surely Apple would only ever put in one,
unless these are just dumb.
They're just dumb NAND packages
that the SSD controller interfaces with.
And if there was any kind of change
and a proper handshake didn't occur
between the controller and the packages,
it would just not work.
That is my worst case scenario.
What do you think it is?
Oh, you had to pick one.
And not like pick one that you want it to be,
but what one do you like suspect is going on?
I think that unless there is enough consumer backlash,
like we saw with, what was the thing they backtracked on?
Oh, locking the screens, locking the screens too.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, locking the screen serial numbers.
I think unless there's enough backlash,
and frankly, I doubt the Mac audience,
particularly for this product,
what's it start at like four grand or something like that,
or $2,800 for the non-ultra one?
I suspect that the audience for this product
simply isn't loud enough and numerous enough
to register on Apple's upset-o-meter
compared to the iPhone audience, right?
When the iPhone audience is mad
about something as mainstream as not being able
to get a fricking screen replacement at the mall,
that amount of noise is gonna be up here.
Mac studio users, okay, then we've got, okay, Mac users,
studio-level Mac users,
ones that might actually care
about upgrading their own stuff.
I mean, we're below the level of the table by that point
in comparison to the-
It's a pretty small percentage of people,
and it's a small percentage of people
that if they're buying this product,
their price is probably not their absolute
number one concern, you know?
So they'll probably just pay to upgrade to something else.
It's a very business-focused product.
So I'm, I don't, the truth is I don't know.
I just don't know.
Are you guys testing it?
Are you guys gonna try to figure it out?
I don't think we have two Mac studios coming,
but that would be a cool way to test it.
Just plug a second one in and see what happens.
I'll have to check.
Maybe we do have two coming.
If so, that's absolutely a video
that we'd love to do next week.
I'm frustrated.
And the thing that frustrates me the most
is that you can tell that Apple understands
the value of modular components
that are easily replaceable when it benefits them.
Supply chain stuff, et cetera, et cetera.
Right, yeah.
Well, that's exactly it.
Apple does lock their boards, right?
Their main boards to an amount of RAM now
because they went and they put the DRAM on package, right?
So that's not on die.
That means you've got your SOC die
and then on the same like substrate,
on the same little green PCB part,
on that same package, they've got their DRAM chips, right?
And there are benefits to having the DRAM
as close as possible to the processor.
We see this on GPUs, for example,
rather than try, if you've got too many chips, right?
Rather than put some of them out here farther,
you'll see them put them like in between the PCIe slot
and the GPU die itself.
They want all of them as close as possible.
There are absolutely benefits
in terms of performance for that.
But supply chain wise,
the more variations you wanna have of your product,
oh, we've got this, these different processors
and these different RAM amounts
and these different storage amounts,
all of a sudden this becomes an exponentially multiplying
number of different SKUs you have to maintain
if it's all fully integrated.
So Apple does have to do that with the different CPU SKUs,
whether you want max or ultra or whatever else,
as well as RAM amounts and then SSDs,
oh man, if you had to have one of these
and one of these and one of these,
one of these and one of these and one of these,
one of these and one of these,
it becomes a nightmare, right?
So the SSDs are understandably modular,
but then Apple stops understanding why that's important
when it isn't about their supply chain management,
when it's about keeping parts out of landfills,
or it's about convenience
when you're deploying a fleet of machines
and you wanna quickly be able to have your technicians
perform maintenance on something
and get it back out into the field.
They just develop this kind of amnesia
about why that would be important.
And it's incredibly frustrating to me
because the issue is that Apple engineers
things to be worse.
They go, they put actual real work and money
into making something worse.
And it just makes me angry.
It should probably, yeah.
Anyone who spends time and energy and money
to make the world crappier is just not worthy of my respect.
There's a lot of that, unfortunately.
That's just the way it's gonna be.
We're not gonna, I don't accept it.
I'm frustrating.
So moving on.
I don't have any counterpoints.
I hate that kind of stuff.
So I disagree with you.
I haven't watched Marquez's video,
but a lot of people in floatplane chat
are talking about it.
Something about giving them a shout out
for environmentally friendly packaging,
but then saying, oh, but you can't upgrade it at all.
Yeah, I mean, it's a very mixed message, isn't it?
The impact of a little bit of plastic
compared to the impact of e-waste is not even close.
I think the environmental friendly packaging
is very easy, very, what do you say that?
High visibility wind.
Yeah.
And the non-upgrade ability is,
not a lot of people are necessarily gonna notice it,
but the impact is actually higher, which just really sucks.
So, yeah.
Some people in the chat are saying
this take isn't very hot.
Well, I'm feeling hot.
Yeah, I think the anger and the frustration is high,
but I think a lot of people agree with you.
I am now, and then, so the best part of this
is that I was on my way to the million dollar unboxing.
Yeah, okay.
I walked through the Mac studio bit
and I was like, what?
And then I was walking back from the million dollar unboxing
to the WAN show and Anthony had moved on
to the new studio display.
And Anthony pulls me over and these are things
that I haven't really looked at in detail yet.
I have been sort of unplugged for the last little while.
I haven't been on social media a ton.
And so I wasn't ready for this, but he pulls me over
and he goes, yeah, what do you think?
And I'm just, I'm like, kind of looking at it.
I'm like, I don't know, it looks kind of like an iMac,
but like, you know, thicker and Mac-ier, iMac-ier.
Sure.
And he goes, oh yeah, well, what about like the power cable?
And I'm like, oh yeah, okay.
And so I'm like, oh yeah, it's nicely braided.
And I look at where it goes into the back of the machine.
I'm like, yeah, the tolerances on the, I don't know,
on the plastic molding are pretty nice.
I go pull it out.
It's like not coming out.
I'm like, oh, is there like a locking mechanism
or something?
He's like, nope.
I'll pull a little harder.
The power cord.
Is fixed.
The six foot power cord.
I don't know.
I thought this one was good.
Is permanently attached to a thousand plus dollar product.
I thought you said you liked this one.
I thought it was one bad one, one good one.
No, no, I was happy about the potential modularity
of the Mac studio.
Oh.
The studio display, that's an atrocity.
Oh man.
I mean, hard wiring a monitor.
It's been a long time since I've had to do a cable repair.
Are you actually stupid?
No, for serious though.
No, that's really brutal.
They even engineered a mag safe,
like power delivery system for the M1 iMac.
They have some of the best cables in the industry.
Lightning was a fantastic.
There's no way that this monitor draws more power
than an entire computer.
Oh man.
And then it's so expensive and the amount of money
that it would have saved to make it like mag safe even
would have been like nothing compared to the total cost.
That's amazing.
That's great.
I just can't.
I can't.
Have you ever seen another hardwired monitor?
Yes.
I have seen old CRTs.
I don't think they were hardwired for power,
but I've seen, I believe the VGA cable hardwired
to a display before.
Interesting.
And it was stupid then.
And it's really stupid now
because that was a long time ago.
Is there any reason whatsoever?
Like, is it?
Compared to using like a regular C13
or whatever the standard power cable is,
there could have been depth concerns plugging it in,
but Apple already had shallower cables for their IMAX.
They have mag safe.
And what's super cool about,
no, I guess that wouldn't really benefit
the studio display, but a reason to do it
other than just actually hating their own customers.
I don't, I can't think of one
because why would you put someone,
I mean, in the...
You think they're trying to make it like actively dangerous
to not get AppleCare?
Aside from the technological advances
of the last 30 years, right?
There are other reasons that you would think
someone in that cappuccino sipping company
would have come up with the thought
when they looked at this product and gone,
like they're based in Silicon freaking Valley, right?
This is the center of the universe for alt work,
like standing desks and fricking like fancy ergonomics.
Okay, and they built a monitor
that could potentially be incompatible
with a standing desk.
Who's building out a fancy office
with like with ape caveman desks
that don't move up and down in Silicon Valley.
They're gonna start selling like a desk mounting power bars.
Nobody at Apple thought of this.
I have to be the one.
Oh man.
Oh, that's great.
Sabin 1001 says you can get an extension cable, Linus.
Yeah, I could.
How much is it?
You know what?
How much is it?
I'm gonna go get an extension cable
that's gonna look great with my new studio display.
One moment, please.
Yeah, no problem.
This is amazing.
I actually had no idea this was the thing.
He mentioned that he's been off social media.
I haven't really been, which like, you know,
maybe I should have.
Yeah.
Yeah, this goes perfectly with my setup.
Wow, you know what's really in these days
in trendy, you know, web 3.0 workspaces?
Thick cord.
Big thick extension cables.
This one has a lock on it.
Space age technology.
Unbelievable.
This should really just be part of the decor here.
One moment, please.
Just gonna.
This is, this is what we're into now.
This is, this is peak trendy.
Hey, we're just gonna have that there.
Otherwise, how could we possibly run our monitors?
Okay.
Fan, fan fantastic.
You want something even more fun?
Oh, what's worse?
Anthony's here.
Anthony, every time I've talked to you today,
I've ended up angry.
So can you, can you just stop?
Okay, come on, come on, come on over here.
That one's not on.
So you'll have to come stand with me.
Sup Anthony?
I looked it up.
Apparently Mac rumors like reported on this
and they deleted the article.
Are you serious?
If you search for Apple studio display,
removable cable or power cable,
that's like the first thing that shows up in Google for me.
Click on it, it's gone.
Go to my, go to my screen, go to my screen.
Why?
Mac rumors right here,
PSA studio power display cable is non-removable.
Click.
Page not found.
Woo!
So that potentially indicates
that they heard from Apple,
cause I can't think of any other reason
that they would pull it down.
Unless they're like uncertain,
unless they don't have one yet.
Cause I don't think Mac rumors
officially engages with Apple.
Like I don't think they actually seed them devices
or anything like that because they report on leaks.
Is my understanding.
I could be wrong about that.
I haven't looked deeply into that.
I sanity checked just to be sure
that they didn't remove it because it was wrong.
I do not see a way to remove that cable.
There is no button, no nothing.
The cable was just there.
Okay.
We got it.
We got it.
Yeah, float plane chat.
Thanks Tony.
So just a second here.
Okay, well, let's read the article together, shall we?
This is on a web.archive.org.
Apple studio display features a built-in
non-removable power cable on the back
that even when attempted to be removed with force
does not come out despite the pro display XDR
featuring a removable power cable.
British YouTuber Ollier demonstrated the unique quirk
about Apple's $1,600 starting price display in his review.
Apple studio display also features
non-interchangeable stands,
meaning customers must choose which stand,
including evasive mount adapter they want upon checkout
as it cannot be changed at a later date.
It was made available for pre-order last week.
So this is it.
It's just a simple.
Yeah, so they say don't have one though
is the answer to that.
So they were making an article about a YouTube.
The only reason I can think of that they might pull it down
is that Apple is angry about this coverage,
but I wouldn't think Mac rumors would respond to that.
So why?
Don't know.
And then if Apple's upset about this coverage,
does that truly mean that they truly didn't realize
this was a problem?
You got to wonder, like, do you have,
kind of have to wonder how far up in an ivory tower
an executive would have to be to not realize
like fucking immediately upon seeing this product,
that this is a game breaking issue
that needs to be engineered,
that a solution needs to be engineered for?
I don't know.
There's a tweet from at reckless also known as,
this is verge, right?
Yeah, editor-in-chief at the verge
saying that he unplugged his display
and he has a picture of it.
But is this, there's a difference, right?
There was the, what was it?
The more expensive one had a removable cable, right?
So is it possible that this is that?
Wait, what?
Hold on.
Is Anthony still here?
Can you grab him?
Can we bring the display?
Yeah, let's do it.
MacRumors reported what they had seen.
It was an early sample.
Apple directly contacted them, said it was incorrect
and wouldn't be that way.
Okay.
Wow.
The plot thickens.
The plot thickens a lot.
Yeah.
Cause I pulled pretty hard.
I don't even really, like I'm looking at the,
I'm looking at this thing
and I don't even recognize this
and I don't see how that seamlessly goes in there.
We've got lots of questions in floatplane chat.
Nishloka says, why would MacRumors
outright delete the article
rather than just issuing a correction?
That is pretty weird for sure.
Uh-huh.
Very interesting.
Is it a twist and pull?
Ooh, interesting question.
Is it?
Okay.
What does Nyla say he has?
I mean, it's got it.
I think that power cable looks the same.
Like the really nice braiding on it looks the same.
He says he has the studio display.
Okay.
Okay.
Hmm.
Okay.
Apple studio display, yeah.
Well, it looks like they're gonna take a minute
to get over here.
No, I don't have MacRumors in my phone list.
I can't give them a call now, unfortunately.
Sorry, if anyone from MacRumors wants to reach out,
I'd be happy to add you to my phone book,
but it could be like the HomePod cable
where it's not meant to be removed, but can.
Okay, yeah.
Actually, yeah.
I didn't even think about the HomePod.
Apple actually has a recent precedent for a move like this.
It's just so ridiculous.
Okay.
I'm calmed down a fair bit now.
It still should have been MagSafe, obviously.
Are you prepared to potentially break the monitor
trying to pull it out?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
We're gonna go for it.
That was something I was a little worried about.
I'm trying to see the shading in the photo
is a little difficult,
but it looks like it might be a turn.
Hey, sup Jake Bellavance,
our producer is heading over here with the monitor.
Okay, you ready, Luke?
Yeah.
Okay.
Here, let me give you some space.
Oh, okay.
You wanna do the honors?
Me?
Yeah.
We can break more products?
Hold on, let me just, here we go.
Okay.
Okay, so you guys can see it here.
Oh, okay.
Okay, that's why the picture looked weird
because there's this oval hole in the stand.
Okay, yeah.
So the picture is taken through the stand.
Taken through the stand
because the stand is not removable because, you know.
Okay, Luke's going for it.
It doesn't feel good.
Can I turn it?
Like, can I grab it?
Yeah, you can grab it.
There's a, here, there's just a little mouse pad here
that you can use to kind of rest it on
so you don't scratch it or anything.
I mean, scratching it might be the least of our concerns
at this point.
Maybe he's just super jacked.
You could try twisting it.
Like try unscrewing it maybe.
Okay.
The stand being in the way is super annoying.
Holy crap.
I heard like the sound of things bending
and it did not come out.
Now, something to note, guys.
I feel like pulling much harder is gonna like.
Is that any excuses Apple might have
about ours being an engineering sample or whatever
would be obvious bull spit
because Apple doesn't see it as anything.
And this is a retail unit that we purchased.
It's hard to turn it.
People say twisting will break the pins.
How about try push it in, push it in first.
Maybe push it in and twist.
I don't.
There's no pushing in.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Support.apple.com.
Important handling information for Apple Studio display.
Note.
Power cord is not removable.
The power cord is not removable.
Well then what is.
Yeah, and like you can miss.
I don't understand.
Maybe he has the XDR or maybe he just has,
maybe he genuinely has like a weird unit.
Or maybe he's just confused.
Do you want to give it a shot?
I can hold it.
It really doesn't feel like it's going anywhere though.
Like.
Okay, yeah, I can, I'll take a shot at it, sure.
I mean, should we just rip it off?
That will.
I mean, we haven't, we haven't reviewed this yet.
Maybe wait for then.
So uncomfortable.
It's really hard with the stand there.
Oh God.
Okay.
God.
I mean, that looks like the picture.
Okay.
It pulled out.
I just had to give it a good two-hander.
And I felt the frame flexing while you did that,
to be clear.
Like, this is not, it's clearly not designed
for that to happen.
Do you want to put it back in, see if it still works?
Here.
It's like a coil or a spring.
Yeah, there's like a metal spring
that goes into this little groove here.
Yeah.
It's not glued.
It's not glued, nope.
It's just a really, really tight fit.
Like this is probably put in by machine.
And you can actually see on the plastic where the screws,
sorry, I can't really show it to you guys very well,
but you can see on the plastic where the screws
just like mangled the, it's kind of like a flange here.
And again, I felt the whole frame,
the whole like metal frame of the monitor flex
and strain under the pole.
Like that was not a...
And then what's really stupid is that putting it in
is gonna suck.
It's keyed, so it only goes in one way.
Probably need to press from here.
Yeah, I got it.
Oh, no, plugging it in is easy.
Not too bad.
Getting it out is hard.
Do you want to try getting it out again
or should we test it?
But if Apple's official support documents specifically say
the power cord is not removable,
then I guess their intention would not be
to provide longer alternatives?
Yeah.
Okay, let's see if it comes out easier the second time.
That's what I was thinking.
I mean, yes. A little easier.
So is this not designed to be plugged and unplugged?
Because you said there was the wear
that happened on it, right?
Like it might actually become less reliable.
Well, no, I can see they're spring-loaded
inside the female receptacles.
So I would imagine it's fine.
Uh-huh.
Oh, man.
You wanna plug it in, see if it works?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it'll probably work.
Me too, but I think we should prove it.
Yeah.
I kind of want you to plug it in
with the extension cable just as like a-
Yeah, yeah, turns on.
No problem.
Okay.
So stupid.
So I guess the title of this video
is more true than we thought.
Yeah.
Why?
Other than hating your customers, why?
Can you imagine being the engineering team
designed to work on this?
That's the thing you guys have to remember.
Every time you see anything in the world,
a team or an individual or a team of people worked on it.
They set out with a goal and they spent time and energy.
The actual human life was invested to make this worse,
to make this worse,
to be consumer, to be anti-consumer,
and to make sure that every power cable.
Remember when Apple stood up on their soapbox
and talked about how iPhones wouldn't come
with lightning cables anymore
because of concern about the environmental impact?
Remember when they told the EU
they couldn't change over from lightning to USB-C
on the iPhone because of concerns about all the cables
that would end up in the landfill?
This cable plugs into nothing but this display.
And when this display is obsolete,
it will go straight to the landfill.
Good job.
Good consistency, Apple.
Brutal morons.
Super unstable.
Thanks, Bell.
Get this out of my sight, please.
I don't mean to be rude to you.
Thanks, man.
That was like, the second time it was clearly less effort
that had to go into it before it came out,
but it was still like,
I still felt the whole monitor strain, like.
All right.
That's rough.
Let's talk about something way cooler.
Okay.
The bar for that's pretty low,
but million dollar unboxing?
Oh.
The Floatplane team worked on a new feature for LTT store,
allowing us to embed videos.
I suspect this wasn't one that was, you know,
like a huge amount of work,
but basically we now have two pages,
one for the screwdriver, one for the backpack,
where we show the full details of these products.
These are just in unlisted videos on YouTube
and allow you to sign up for an email notification
for when these products become available.
That's right.
They're finally just about here.
So just cause I know some people from Shopify watch this,
just including the video where the images normally go
is actually just supported by Shopify.
Cool. All right.
Yeah.
Excellent.
So we are,
we want to get an idea of whether people are more
into the black or the black and orange color.
There's still changes that we can make
to which plastics we shoot at this stage.
I am extremely excited for people to get a chance
to really see these products in detail.
We haven't really shown them close up yet.
Is this Andy's B-roll?
I think Andy might've done these shots.
If that's true, then freaking awesome.
Anyway, you can pick a color
and sign up to get an email when they're available.
We still do not do,
I just don't believe in taking your money for pre-orders.
The reason for that is that there are still potentially
things that can go wrong.
And if we're gonna say, don't pre-order anything,
then we need to,
I think we need to walk that walk
and not solicit you guys to pre-order.
Although it certainly would have removed
some financial burden from this project.
Love the bit storage, man.
It's freaking awesome.
Let's get a closer,
we'll get a closer look at the orange top here.
Absolutely quality plastics and molding.
I think the part of the video
where I talk about that's a little bit later,
but we show how it's basically impossible
to find the mold seam on the handle bit.
You can, if the light's right,
you can see it if you know what you're looking for,
but the average person would not notice.
It's just a really high quality mold.
Right.
Man, that's it right there.
Is it glorious or what?
Do you have one yet?
No.
Oh man.
Oh man.
Yes, it's expensive,
but there's a lot of things about it that were expensive.
There was a lot of tooling costs.
Every one of these components is custom.
We had to create molds for it.
Oh yeah, here's a little tip, Apple.
There are situations where there might be
a functionality reason
that you have to create something semi-proprietary.
These bits are 20 millimeter,
which is not a typical size for screwdriver bits
in a multi-bit screwdriver.
The reason we did it this way
is that the less steel you have
between the shaft magnet and the screw,
the stronger the magnetic pull.
It's got, it's super, super strong magnet.
Makes sense.
And it has shorter tips.
So the bits will, I had it happen once now
in like six months of using this driver
where the bit comes out
instead of the bit coming out of the screw,
like after you've screwed something in, it's really good.
Every other multi-bit screwdriver I've ever owned,
it's like kind of a problem.
It's really annoying.
Yeah, it's really unique.
And you can pick up, easily pick up screws
and then reposition them when you're building a computer.
Obviously it's built for building PCs, right?
So we went with these 20 millimeter bits.
The other reason for them was that we wanted the shaft
to have a lower profile.
And to be clear, just cause there might be some,
you can use other bits.
I'm getting to that.
Okay. Yeah.
We wanted the shaft to have a lower profile
than Megapro's other products,
but we didn't want to give up the ability
to store 12 bits in the driver handle.
Now we could have just not used this mechanism.
We could have just gone like snap on
and just had a screw off top
and you just dump all the bits inside.
But that we really liked this functionality.
It has a really nice feel to it.
It's almost like a fidget toy.
Yeah.
And we wanted 12 bits.
We wanted this profile.
And this is kind of an afterthought,
the additional magnetism,
but it was something I cared about a lot.
I asked engineering, I was like, look,
specifically Kyle I talked to about this.
I want the strongest possible magnet in there,
the biggest diameter.
And that was before we even talked about any of this.
So we ended up with 12 millimeter bits,
which meant that we had to re-engineer something
in order to maintain compatibility with standard bits,
because we care.
We had to redo the mold for this in here.
It used to be a circle.
So it actually sat in between the bottom
and top bit storage.
And the reason for that was to act as kind of a guide
to make sure that they would stay in their own lane.
Right?
Okay, yeah.
We turned it into what we call the ninja star.
And the reason for that is that it allows you to put
a full length normal bit in here,
up to 40 whatever millimeters, 40 something.
So it allows you to put a larger bit in here
if you're willing to only accept six,
and it'll just clip in on both the top
and bottom pieces here.
So you can engineer for improved compatibility,
or you can engineer for worse compatibility.
There are actually two ways to do this.
Hex Dot says Robertson bits, but no torques, dot, dot, dot.
We are gonna have bit packs available at launch
that will allow you to build any bit loadout
you could possibly want.
We're gonna have pretty much everything for it.
And they will be very reasonably priced
because we know that the screwdriver
is already a significant outlay for you guys.
Yeah, so we're super excited about people
being able to have their own custom 12 bit loadout
exactly the way that they like it.
As for the backpack, yeah, this one I'm super excited about.
We know it's really expensive.
We are well aware of that.
This is a really high quality bag.
I am absolutely jazzed for you guys to see this thing.
Let's see if Fandy has done any of his,
a gorgeous, a B-roll on this one.
4K, get that 4K, oh yes.
You're gonna have to watch the video.
This one's like nine minutes long
to get through all the details
of what makes this thing special.
But it's just carrying capacity,
build quality.
If you're interested in this product,
that's exactly what I would want.
Yep, I just kind of,
basically it's a what's in my bag video
because I've been using our latest sample of it for,
I guess not that long for this version of it,
but I use every version of it.
I just daily drive it so that I can bring feedback
back to the team,
hey, this zipper pull is a little bit difficult.
Or I really found I didn't end up using this pocket.
If it was easier to reach, that would be way better.
This zipper should go the other way.
Just little things like that
that I try and get back to them about
as we have made our way through the many,
many revisions of this product.
Orange inside, that's for you, Luke.
Yeah.
I know you're a fan.
I actually just love that so much.
So yeah, it's 249.99 US.
It's a lot of money,
but we believe that it's competitive with bags
that are a lot more expensive than that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So is that, so what,
did that have something to do with the million dollar
unboxing or was that just its own topic?
Nope.
That was just a more, more better topic
that I would rather talk about
than Apple just being mean and rude to their customers.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
All right.
I, there's something wrong with my laptop.
I cannot open any additional pages.
Oh, cool.
But should we do like three to five
merch messages real quick?
Yeah, we should.
Yeah.
Oh shoot.
I did not reload the page.
I guess I don't need to.
You're probably fine.
Yeah, this seems fine.
Cool.
Spicy Olive says, podcast consumer here.
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What was it that you used in your house again
that was proprietary
and have you solved your signal conversion
to home assistant?
I haven't yet.
It's an American standard heat pump system
and Jake and I have some work to do on that.
Drew L.
Love the WAN show?
Hey, me too.
I'm finishing a basement soon.
One room will be an office slash gaming room
and one the main TV kids area.
Any tips on a decently priced sound system
for the play area?
Any general suggestions for the office gaming room?
Man, wow.
That's a really open-ended question.
Decently priced sound system.
I mean, really, I would say
the most decently priced sound system
you're gonna find is secondhand.
Speakers are an area of technology
where there has absolutely been advancement,
especially on the very high end.
And I would say on the low end,
there's actually been a fair bit of advancement.
Like $50 in-ears are a lot better today
than they were when I was in high school.
But in the mid range,
yeah, there's been advancement, absolutely.
But if you find a really nice pair of speakers
from like 10 years ago,
they're still really nice speakers.
So I would say that if it's going
in like the TV slash kids area,
I would either go, you know, simplicity, right?
The last thing you want is kids tripping over a cable
or whatever else.
And I would get like-
Knocking over a speaker stand.
Yeah, I would get a decent soundbar.
Soundbars are an area that have improved a lot
in the last bit.
I'm really impressed with the Sonos Arc,
although it's very expensive.
It sounds amazing for a soundbar.
I like hated soundbars when they first came to market.
They were awful.
They're great now.
Sony has a super cool product.
We did a sponsored video.
So take this for what it is.
They're not sponsoring anything
about what I'm saying right now.
But Sony did a, Sony sponsored a video on their,
what's it called?
HT-A9 or something like that.
But it's a soundbar that has no bar.
You just put four speakers around the room
and they do a calibration with each other
and you can kind of put them anywhere.
You don't have to,
so if you have one like kind of a little to the left
and this one kind of way out to the right,
and then these two are kind of at the back,
they just do some DSP funkery
and try to compensate for the size and shape of the room.
So if you want surround,
that's a really cool way to go.
If you're just thinking like music,
like ambient music or putting on kids songs,
picking up an old Sonos amp,
but one that is still compatible,
getting the oldest one that's compatible
with the S2 version of the app,
or is it called S2?
I can't remember.
But the newer replaced version of the app
is another little pro tip.
I got some for cheap on eBay.
I did a video about that
when I put in ceiling speakers in my house.
You can find that one.
What else can I really say at this point?
Your dad's old speaker equipment is probably still good.
Yeah, that's a really good way to go.
Man, don't buy a receiver new
if you don't need the latest HDMI version or whatever else.
Like if you just want amplification,
you can get super high-end receivers from many years ago
that have just ballin' amplifiers in them,
but don't support the latest at most.
And if you're just trying to drive
like a nice pair of bookshelves,
man, frickin' awesome.
I still run Linus' old one.
Yeah, yeah, I know you do.
There you go, that's I guess what I have to say about that.
Any general suggestions for the office gaming room?
Make sure you put in enough ethernet.
Never, never don't put in enough ethernet.
That's one thing I'll say.
Matthew S, been watching since the 10 series launch,
looking to start my own GPU repair company sometime soon.
What advice would you have for starting a small tech shop?
Love the show.
Good question.
Okay, equipment, no matter how expensive it is,
is not expensive.
Staff is expensive.
Like, do you know how much a Luke costs
to employ for 10 years?
You know, I'm serious though.
Compared to any piece of equipment
that I've been using for the last 10 years,
Luke is, wow, anything I've been using
for the last 10 years.
So like the most expensive,
Luke is a solid two orders of magnitude more.
Obviously Luke has improved.
You know, he's aged like fine wine,
whereas equipment ages more like milk, right?
Yeah, a little worse.
But it's something to understand
is that adding headcount to a business
adds to your monthly expenses
and adding equipment adds to your capabilities
without adding ongoing monthly expenses.
That is unless it's software
and the company that you're engaging with
has figured out software as a service.
That's a whole other separate conversation.
But that's something that, you know,
I think any small business owner or startup
should absolutely keep in mind.
You know, don't overdo your space.
Think space efficient, right?
Use your vertical space.
Don't spread out horizontally.
That's another thing.
Getting a space that's too big
is absolutely something that you should avoid
as a small business.
You can always move.
What else could we say?
While equipment and machines and whatever
has maintenance costs,
employees generally expect raises.
But at the same time,
if you don't have anyone helping you,
if something happens to you,
even if it's temporary,
so you get knocked down with long COVID or whatever, right?
And you get knocked out for two weeks to a month.
If you have customer orders in the shop,
if you have GPUs,
cause you're trying to fix GPUs,
if you have GPUs in the shop
and you are unable to fix them
and you don't have anyone working with you
that can fix them,
that's gonna be really rough for your company.
And be creative.
Don't be afraid to pick up stuff secondhand
on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace.
Like a drawer is a perfect way to store GPUs
for things that are in progress.
And cardboard is a great way
to build a custom divider system for a drawer
that you can slot them into vertically
so that you can fit more.
Just lots of little things.
Be scrappy, be creative.
Don't overdo it right out of the gate.
Let it grow, let it become sustainable.
Those are all things that can give you
a much better shot at success.
Let's do one more and then we'll do our next topic.
Sure.
Dustin asks,
I was curious if you guys saw Corridor Crews AI voice video
last week, what are your thoughts on this tech?
Any plans to automate sponsor spots?
I didn't see their video, but I did see,
I was chatting with Tom Scott
about a tool that he's been using
that actually allows you to edit
according to a transcript of the video.
And if you make a small mistake,
use AI voice recognition to fix it.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, to just fix it in post.
Wow, that's nuts.
Which is really cool.
Oh, that's awesome.
We don't have any plans to automate our sponsor spots
or anything like that,
but I am absolutely into machine learning,
accelerated video and audio techniques these days.
Like you guys saw the upscaling video
that we uploaded earlier this week,
probably where we took the first NCIX Tech Tips video
and we tried to upscale it to 4K.
Turns out there just weren't enough pixels.
It ended up being nightmare fuel, but.
Yeah.
With something that's like 720p source,
man, the results are kind of amazing.
You don't have to be a hundred person,
digital art studio these days
to generate those kinds of results.
It's just, it's really cool.
Let's move on to our next topic, shall we?
Yeah.
Do you wanna talk about Million Dollar Unboxing?
I do, what is it?
Okay.
We have been working on this project for over a year
and the genesis was Keoxia, formerly Toshiba.
Yeah, okay.
Keoxia, flash memory and SSDs.
Keoxia wanting to sponsor some kind of cool project.
And I just, I threw out an absolute long shot,
long shot idea.
Cause one of the things that was more commercial
slash enterprise storagy that we did
that was really successful was the petabyte project, right?
Where we deployed a petabyte of storage
across two 45 drive storinators.
Problem is Keoxia doesn't make hard drives.
Keoxia makes SSDs.
So I was like, man, you know what we should do?
We should do a server with a petabyte of flash.
And they were like, okay.
But here's the thing.
You can't just put a petabyte worth of SSDs in a server.
Yeah.
Right?
You can't just buy NVMe JBODs and just stack more SSDs.
You would, by the time you installed that many SSDs,
you'd be getting a small fraction of the maximum performance
because no CPU exists with enough PCIe lanes
and enough compute to run that kind of data through it.
Like, so it required partnership with AMD
who provided a total of 512 Epic CPU cores
across all of the CPU's, 512 cores.
Okay.
The whole thing has literally terabytes of RAM.
Terabytes of RAM.
Okay.
We've got eight Nvidia A100s.
So those are, what are they?
Like 400 Watts each or something like that.
They're AI accelerators.
A total of seven servers.
A petabyte of flash.
Obviously a custom power solution
because the whole thing sucks like 10,000 Watts.
We didn't have anything to plug it into.
And Jake and I unboxed it.
And the idea is that we should be able to get
at least close to the maximum theoretical performance
of our flash array by architecting it this way.
Supermicro was involved.
Micron was involved.
I already mentioned Nvidia.
Infinite cables had to build a custom cable for us
for just to power it to plug into the only like 30 amp,
240 volt plugs that we have for our machinery in the shop.
It's wild.
Oh, infinite cables also built us a fiber optic cable
to run from the shop to our server room.
So we could actually like edit off of it.
Obviously we're not even gonna touch
the capabilities of this thing.
We're gonna have to do like some AI benchmarks
and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah.
It's gonna be a whole series of videos,
but I am so excited.
Gonna run full plate chat was like Linus causes
the singularity.
Yeah, I'm so excited.
This will be beyond a shadow of a doubt,
the most powerful hardware that I have ever touched
and probably will touch for the next three to five years.
It's insane.
I'm pretty sure it's raw,
but someone's asking one petabyte usable or raw?
I don't know yet.
I guess we'll find out.
Wow.
Yeah, I'm not actually sure.
It's been a long time since the last call I was on.
Jake has done most of the coordination on this project.
Okay.
Oh man.
Yeah, I'm absolutely jacked though.
Jacked.
Bean 710 asks, do you get to keep it?
Are you kidding me?
Kioxia might leave us with some drives,
but beyond that, no, no, no.
I mean, that'd be awesome, but no.
Oh man, the switch that, sorry, not Mellanox.
Nvidia, they acquired them.
The switch that Nvidia sent over, network switch,
does multiple terabits per second of switching.
Terabits!
Multiple terabits!
That's pretty wild.
How long, do you know how long
you're gonna be able to keep it for?
I don't know.
There's no firm end date for when we absolutely
have to box everything back up and send it back.
It takes up a lot of space.
They sent over an entire rack to house the thing.
Well, right?
I mean, it makes sense.
It's just nuts.
One U of switching.
We've got six U's of one U dual socket epic servers.
Then we have a four U that contains two more epic servers,
two terabytes of RAM, the eight A100s.
This thing is knocking futs and I'm so jazzed.
I'm so jazzed.
You guys are gonna love it.
Whole series of videos.
So the first video is us just basically
uncrating the thing.
You wouldn't believe how much the compute unit weighs.
I could not believe it.
It weighs as much, it weighs like it's full of hard drives.
Okay.
But it's just full of heat sinks.
Yeah, I was gonna say just metal.
It's just, it is metal AF.
I love it.
That's awesome.
Charlie says that system might be an awesome contribution
to an educational institution.
Guys, I'm not, it's not mine.
It's not his to give away.
It's not mine.
And I don't think these companies are probably interested
in just handing the hardware over for free to anyone.
I suspect they'll end up being trade show models
so that they're able to do demos and stuff like that.
This stuff doesn't just,
like it's actually, I believe the sticker price
is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars
for this setup.
It's utterly insane.
I don't know if it's actually a million dollars
because we don't know.
There's no retail price for any of this stuff.
That's fair.
Honestly, there being no retail price
probably makes me assume that it's even more
because anytime you get custom stuff done,
it's super expensive.
I mean, the engineering that went into
making this whole thing run at that kind of speed.
Like I said, we could have easily just put
NVME SSDs into an enclosure.
I just had it not really work very well.
Yeah, yeah.
It had it limp along at 100 gigabytes a second or whatever.
Which sounds cool.
Which is a lot.
But comparatively to what it should be able to do,
it's like nothing.
Exactly, this is gonna do way more.
Linus, you must buy it.
Don't send it back.
If I spent a million dollars
on a petabyte of SSD storage
that consumes up to 10,000 watts,
which obviously we have to pay for power for,
my wife would probably divorce me.
She wouldn't actually.
Speaking of ways to not get divorced.
She'd be furious.
She would be really mad.
She'd be like the kind, she'd be quiet mad.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's scary.
Like that's not even, that's not even.
Yeah, Yvonne and I don't have a relationship
that's like you do a thing wrong and you get divorced.
I mean, neither of us has ever even slept on the couch.
Like we have a, you resolve something until it is resolved
and then you move on from it kind of relationship.
But she'd be really mad, super mad.
Yeah, she'd be mad.
Terry, what do you wanna do?
Sponsors.
Oh yeah, yeah.
She'd be mad if I didn't talk about our sponsors.
Gotta talk about them sponsors.
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Man, I just feel spent, you know?
Like this topic, this is all the notes on this, guys.
Apple lied and is dumb, but just,
I just, I've used up so much of the energy
that I had for the show today.
We're just going to have to chill.
Yeah, we got to chill.
We got to chill for a little bit.
I think the remaining topics are pretty chill.
Okay, you want to start us off on something cool?
Xbox cloud gaming beta on Steam Deck.
Today, Microsoft announced a beta version
of Microsoft Edge for the Steam Deck.
I'm always, I'm always trying to say Stream Deck.
It will enable Xbox cloud gaming
with Xbox game pass ultimate on the device.
That's huge.
Microsoft uploaded comprehensive directions
showing users how they can install Microsoft Edge
and enable, of course you have to install freaking Edge,
and enable Xbox cloud gaming.
You didn't expect them to be totally naughty, did you?
Right, just like, come on.
I have a Linux device.
Do I really need Edge to follow me
onto this Linux device?
Come on.
There are quite a few steps to configure it,
including some command line typing.
Wow.
And shortcut making to put it on the front screen.
Related slightly earlier this week.
Oh, right.
Yeah, Google product director, Greg Hartell
announced that the Steam on Chrome OS alpha launched
despite it not being ready for testing
and also despite it probably not working
on most Chrome OS devices, but sure it's coming.
Yeah, and there's a discussion topic here to talk about.
Does cloud gaming on the Steam Deck
actually make it more compelling?
Is Microsoft's aggressive push to put
Xbox cloud gaming everywhere going to pay off,
especially when the Steam Deck is kind of sold
on the hardware that can run games locally?
Well, the Steam Deck, in my opinion,
while valve does focus on running games locally,
in my, from my experience using it,
it's such a compelling device for local gaming,
network gaming and cloud gaming that-
All of the above.
Yeah, I think it's just all of the above, yeah.
Like Steam, I can never remember what the,
it used to be called Steam in home streaming.
So that's what I'm gonna call it.
Works great on the deck.
Like great.
The H.264, I don't know if it's H.264 or H.265 actually,
I should check that.
But whatever their hardware decode is
on that custom chip from AMD is great.
The latency is great.
You know, I played Halo Infinite on it, competitive shooter.
And besides, you know, crappy joystick controls,
it was great.
And you know, the same can be said
of something like Xbox cloud gaming.
Yeah, you're adding latency.
Absolutely.
But cloud gaming will continue to improve
and it could easily get to the point
where we're only talking another couple of frames
of latency and it could be better
than playing on an old flat panel TV, honestly.
And I think to the core question,
does cloud gaming make the Steam Deck more compelling?
Maybe not to you as an individual,
but I guarantee you it does for someone.
For the mainstream, absolutely.
One thing that I really hope
is that this doesn't become an excuse
for companies that have cloud gaming offers
to not push to make their games more compatible
with being natively played on Linux,
AKA SteamOS mobile gaming.
That would really frustrate me
if this ends up becoming a reason that gaming on Linux
doesn't experience its big, big renaissance.
Yeah, that would be genuinely very frustrating.
So I hope that's not the case,
but if that's not the case, then yeah, why not?
Being able to do more stuff on it sounds great.
I don't see any negative towards that.
I'm not a huge fan of that type of stuff.
I don't like subscription services for games.
I like owning my individual games.
I might play a game on launch and it's pretty fun
and then I get distracted by something else
or busy or whatever and then I can't play again
for another year and I don't wanna buy another subscription
to be able to play that game
that I already paid a subscription
to be able to play in the first place.
I find that very frustrating.
So yeah, it's not a huge thing for me personally,
but I like that it's an option
because I know people that use cloud gaming services.
Yeah, especially if you use Game Pass.
Game Pass is an amazing value.
It is.
I can't say it enough.
It's an amazing value.
Just wait until, wait a few more years, right?
Netflix used to be an amazing value.
All your content in one place with one low fee.
Now Netflix is like over 20 Canadian dollars
and doesn't include content from anyone else
and some of the other providers
are starting to bundle together their services.
It's becoming a cable package again.
Yep.
Ah!
Yeah, it's brutal.
But yeah, I don't know.
Options, options are cool.
Why don't I have more options?
We can probably skip that topic
because it's just lame.
Which one, the Dr. Disrespect one?
Oh, we're talking about that.
Okay.
But first, first I want to talk about AMD confirms
no overclocking support on the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
That's right.
AMD's hotly anticipated 5800X3D,
the first production CPU with 3D V-cache technology
now has a release date
and a dark portent of things to come.
This is definitely written by Anthony.
Yes, it was.
It's essentially a 5800X, eight core 16 threads,
but with lower core clocks and a mind boggling
96 megabytes of level three cache up from just 32.
AMD says the extra cache is meant to improve performance
with discrete GPUs,
although it's not clear how it will interact
with the recently released direct storage API
and future titles that will take advantage of it.
Oh, by the way, we have a video coming about that,
that we just shot today.
Anthony researched and shot it.
So he'll be hosting it.
Before we get too doom and gloom,
I want to insert one note that's further on in the doc
that says AMD promises that this is a one time limitation
for this specific skew.
And it will be overcome by the time future 3D V-cache
CPUs launch.
So this is, I mean, it kind of feels like this product
is like a stop gap solution.
Yes.
Like a Frankenstein, just, okay,
we wanted something to respond to the 12900K
and this is going to be it.
It's going to be available for 450 US dollars on 420.
Nice.
And AMD says it will be the new world's fastest gaming CPU,
but it will also be the first consumer Ryzen chip
that won't be overclockable.
Which again is a little rough, but.
So the reason for this is that, wow,
you can't even change the voltage.
The reason for this is that the cache needs
a strict voltage limit of 1.35 volts.
Interesting.
Infinity fabric and memory overclocking is still supported.
So you could push your memory speed super hard.
Very interesting.
Which does matter.
I mean, the reality of it is traditional overclocking
on Ryzen is kind of a dead meme anyway.
Like it doesn't do much.
AMD already is red lining these chips out of the box
for the most part.
Depending on how you want to define it,
traditional overclocking is just dead in general.
Yeah, Intel is red lining things pretty hard as well.
I mean, at least they still have all the levers and dials
and you can turn them if you want,
but it might result in instability
and like heat that cannot be overcome by mere mortal coolers.
AMD also announced a number of other CPUs
to go alongside the 5800X3D
and these are going to make things really interesting
in the budget range because we've got everything
from four core 4 gigahertz boost Zen 2 chips for $99
to Zen 3 6 cores for a 199.
That 5600 is looking real spicy.
Actually 4600G with $154 for Zen 2 core,
six of them and Vega 7 graphics.
That's pretty interesting too.
I really wish they were RDNA 2,
but I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for that.
Discussion question, is overclocking basically dead?
Yeah, we made our way there.
Thanks Anthony though.
And yeah, kind of, should we get a SUSE or someone
to make us a, yes, this will fry your CPU BIOS
so we can overclock it anyway.
How long before a modified BIOS does just this?
Well, based on that AMD had to request
that motherboard manufacturers
remove overclocking capabilities for the CPU.
Clearly they existed.
They were there.
And caused some kind of reliability issue.
So, I mean, the question that that sort of raises for me
is, is this CPU going to be very reliable?
Because increasing the voltage makes it die sooner,
but does it have the same kind of reliability
we've come to expect from AMD processors?
I wonder.
I feel like probably.
If you could get your hands on a motherboard
without the limitations,
it would be kind of fun to do like a,
we're gonna stream until this thing is dead stream.
Oh wow, that would be kind of hilarious.
I have another impromptu topic of conversation.
Okay.
Our fiber over the air internet connection slash,
well, it's really, it's a network connection
because they also access our internal infrastructure
over it.
But the fiber over the air solution that we set up
for Creator Warehouse went down.
But I was still right because the reason it went down
had nothing to do with Ubiquiti's dishes
and everything to do with the fact that
Jake scrounged together SFP to RJ45 adapters,
like modules that were not technically spec'd
for quite the distance of our runs.
Oh.
And so it flaked out.
So we replaced it with ones that were spec'd
for the right distance and it has been back up
and running smoothly ever since.
Sweet.
So I, man, I'm so stoked on not having to just buy
a new internet connection for that place for no reason.
And the fact that it's faster and the fact that just
with zero pain whatsoever, they have total complete access
to our internal infrastructure.
Like for their computers, they just plugged them in
over there, plugged them into the wall
and they might as well have been in the same building.
So cool.
Having like local networking across multiple buildings
without being a campus is just like super sick.
That's awesome.
I know, right?
Yeah.
We're going to do it for the lab too.
Yeah, that's-
Put another dish on the roof.
Heck yeah, boys.
We're going to have like, we're going to have like eight
dishes on the roof of the main building at some point.
And then, oh man, oh man.
When we have like a bigger office someday,
we'll have to make sure that it has line of sight
to this one, right?
Put like a big tower on top of it, right?
You're going to end up having buildings that look
like research centers.
We'll have multiple hops because we'll have all the storage
at the main one and we'll just have like offsite,
satellite storage, all that.
No, it's going to be amazing.
Nice.
Under parking lot, dark fiber when.
Okay, so I don't know if we actually talked about it
in the rooftop air fiber video, but I think conceivably
it could be possible to stealth bury an armored fiber cable
between here and the lab and do like 25 gig
from here to there.
You probably could.
Yeah, you could probably get away with that.
If you like showed doing that, that might be, you know,
not great, but you could probably get away with it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Yeah, so-
It doesn't really harm or bother anybody.
The hard part is getting from the green belt
to that building.
Oh, cause you're on the-
Yeah, we're like buried in the middle of the building.
But if we could somehow stealthily get it up to the roof-
You totally could.
You still could.
I have an idea.
You totally could.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Yeah, I know you definitely could.
Just tell me, cause it's going to be in the video anyway.
So we're going to get caught.
You know those, how they like repair road lines?
You could asphalt over it.
Okay, I thought of that, but getting up the building.
Yeah, I mean, that's probably fine.
Cause once you're actually against the building,
it's going to look like-
Like it's supposed to be there?
Yeah, like there's this whole concept in,
there's this whole concept in guerrilla infrastructure
that once something is there,
as long as it looks like it belongs there,
everyone's just going to assume it belongs there.
Right.
Like a lot of people will actually just start using things
as if they were intended to be there,
even if they had nothing to do with putting it there
and it wasn't supposed to be there.
Right.
So like if you run a cable up the side of the building,
as long as it looks properly installed,
potentially even painted the same color as the building
or something like that, no one's going to mess with it.
So we go get a couple of little like chips.
Oh, okay.
Genja Gremlin says, look into micro trenching.
We do that from time to time with my company.
Oh, interesting.
The pros and cons of micro trenching.
That's a little spooky because that could potentially
be seen as like actually damaging
preexisting infrastructure.
Wow, all right.
Anyway, it's almost all soft ground
from our building to there,
which is why we think it might actually work.
There's very little non-soft ground.
Yeah.
So I don't know, we'll see.
Theorica says, be careful if you're going to do any digging,
you can get in a ton of trouble.
Stuff that isn't buried too deep
that you definitely do not want to damage.
So yeah, so if we use an armored cable,
that's another thing.
Nobody walks back there ever.
Yeah.
It is actually conceivable that we could just
lay it on the ground.
Yeah.
It could get damaged, but like, oh, well.
We'll have our, we'll have air fiber as a backup anyway.
So Kasama in Twitch chat, just get a real long
ethernet cable.
It would be, it would be beyond the range.
Yeah, I think, I don't think you'd want to bury it.
I think you'd want to kind of run it along things
and try to keep its route managed
and then make sure that there's like brush or whatnot
so that people wouldn't want to walk there, you know.
We'd have to make sure that we,
we'd have to make sure we're wearing like,
like safety vests while we install it and like hard hats.
Just like have a clipboard.
Yeah, just like look super official.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll see.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Get a little dirty ahead of time.
Wear a toque.
Ganja Gremlin says, it's not that armored.
Squirrel, squirrel Ella's, squirrel as whatever.
Chew through it all the time.
I think you mean squirrels.
True Scott says, go through the sewers.
Thanks True Scott.
Really helpful.
Thanks for taking, participating in full plane chat.
Appreciate you.
If this was a video game, they would do it that way.
I swear it like almost every video game,
you end up going through a sewer somehow.
Yeah.
It's so weird.
I don't know.
I know, right?
I mean, the last thing, man,
more immersive gaming can't come late enough
for sewer levels.
When they have smell-o-vision for sewer levels,
it's gonna, oh.
Oh boy.
Make sure you encrypt your traffic over it.
Someone could cut and get into your network.
Yep. That's good advice.
Absolutely.
Yep.
Anything that's accessible like that,
you would absolutely want to encrypt,
but that shouldn't be a problem.
It would still be way faster,
like way faster than even fiber over the air,
which we got, it's weird.
We think it's cause it's an early access product
from Ubiquiti, but we got one gigabit down
and three gigabits up and it should be like symmetric.
Yeah.
So yeah, we're not really sure what's up with that.
Okay.
Dr. Disrespect.
We're doing it?
Dr. Disrespect developing an FPS game,
which we knew already, right?
Yeah.
That will give and will give fans the chance
to win an opportunity to buy an NFT.
Which the whole like last two thirds of that aside,
as far as my understanding goes,
before streaming, he used to be a level,
oh yeah, it goes into it right now.
So, his new game studio is Midnight Society, okay?
It was co-founded by the streamer,
former Call of Duty creative strategist, Robert Bulling
and Halo 5 multiplayer designer, Quinn Del Hoyo.
Well, literally no other details have been revealed
about the upcoming first person shooter.
We do know that the game will contain
everyone's favorite feature, NFTs.
The company promises that the game will be
the most community-focused online PVP
multiplayer experience the world has ever seen.
They hope to use the collective strength of the community
to go hands-on during crucial early development milestones.
Typically game studios will pay employees
to do alpha and beta testing in QA,
but Midnight Society is graciously offering
a select group of 10,000 community members
a $50 founder's access pass.
So that's a cool half a million dollars
that will provide access to early builds,
discord channels and the chance to vote
on key design decisions.
Pause for a second.
I understand that we are against this general concept,
but I would like to say the way that this is written
is very inflammatory when this is not,
this is actually very standard practice these days.
This is not like, whoa, these guys figured out
that you get people to pay to test your game, what?
Like that's been happening for a long time.
So, okay, I just want to make that clear
that this is super normal so far.
The pass holders will also be able to mint
a unique procedurally generated tradable visor design.
No longer normal.
With different levels of rarity.
They just put NFTs and loot boxes
and paid early access together.
Let's go.
It's like one middle finger wasn't enough.
They gave you all three middle fingers.
They grew another arm to give you another middle finger.
Oh man. Beautiful.
These will be created using environment friendly
NFT technology.
Good.
Not a Miriam.
And purchasers will be able to sell their stupid pass
on marketplaces after a 30 day lockdown period.
Okay, who wrote this?
Oh, it's our new writer who's not off probation yet.
Okay. That's a little,
that's too much color commentary in a new story.
Okay. A S.
It is very clear that the person that wrote this
does not like it.
Super nonplussed.
Yeah.
Super nonplussed.
The founders pass will not be first come first served.
Instead, you get to apply for the chance to pay them
for this vaporware.
The application process,
I'm not even changing the color for writing here.
The application process is live
and applicants will be judged on various criteria,
including, but not limited to seniority in the community,
activity in the community, how active of a gamer,
a creator or developer they are in general
and their vision for what makes a good PVP shooter.
Okay.
Founders pass holders will also get first priority
in being part of an elite class of rulers within the game
and company who get to decide on future items
and assets that will be included and sold in the game.
Hopefully they get to mint more of them
because they're making this sound like an investment,
which is just, that's brilliant.
You know what the worst part is?
It's really smart.
Is that Dr. Disrespect is going to be a billionaire
off this project.
Oh, it's going to be huge.
Yep.
Yep, yep, yep.
So should we just like, can I be a billionaire, please?
Can we just embrace this?
No.
Okay.
I'll disown you.
I know.
I disown me.
Just sucks.
Like pyramid schemes seem like an extremely good way
to make money.
They're so easy, yeah.
I know.
I'm trying to find-
Jayden's all mad.
Jayden, you'll develop what I tell you to develop.
I feel like if you got him to make NFTs,
that might not actually be the case.
I think he might just quit.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
I'm trying to find,
I know on the Linus Tech Tips Twitter account,
there was something posted very recently.
Here it is.
It's a picture of the guy wearing Beats
and it says I bought these headphones.
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Picture of the guy wearing Beats.
I bought these headphones for their looks.
The response is that's absolute nonsense in 2010.
And then picture of a dude who bought a mouse
is this mouse has three times more RGB than any other mouse.
And then the response is I'll take two.
I feel like this is like in a lot more spaces
than just hardware.
Like I think back then the purchasing of skins in game,
like think of horse armor, right?
The reaction of horse armor was super negative.
Now, if you look at Lost Ark,
people are frustrated that the North American version
doesn't have enough cosmetics to buy in the store.
They want more of the purchasable cosmetics
to come from the, I believe Korean version of the game
into the North American one.
Cause they're like, dude, I can't buy enough stuff.
This is really frustrating.
And that has been just,
I think honestly seeing that happen
and seeing the community in general,
just be like, yeah, true.
Has made me, that was one of the strongest,
most like I'm a boomer moments I've pretty much ever had.
It's like, cause to me, that's just so wrong.
Yeah.
My kids will not buy in game cosmetics.
It's crazy.
If they do, I will literally kill their allowance forever.
There's some stuff like if it's a completely free,
like in League of Legends,
if people are like, I play this game a ton
and it's completely free
and I want to like show some support to the devs.
I don't mind that.
When people spend like two grand on cosmetics
in League of Legends, which absolutely happens.
I know more than one person who has done that personally.
That's when I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
It's time to stop.
Yeah, like, come on.
To be clear, I'm not talking game functionality, right?
Like if you buy, like I know a League of Legends
has like a character rotation
for the ones that you can play for free, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, so if you buy a character
that you really like to play,
that's at least more akin to an expansion pack.
It's actual functionality.
And it's a free game, right?
That's another important part to add on top of this.
It's a free game and Lost Ark is a free game.
They do have like a monthly thing.
My silent protest is that when I play Halo Infinite,
which I'm not right now,
cause I'm doing all my gaming on Steam Deck.
I'm a default skin.
I play gray.
Default chat, dude.
Default, default gray.
Yeah.
I won't even use the ones that I earn for free.
And it looks, I don't know.
It looks good.
I don't really understand.
Yeah, I don't know.
So there's a few more notes from the new writer.
Discussion question.
This is so stupid.
They are selling a monetization scheme
and then promising the game will be good.
I hate this so much.
Is decentralizing game development just a new attempt
to avoid paying employees for work?
This uses all the classics scam rhetoric.
Get in on the ground floor.
Just one small investment in the future.
Decentralized.
Buy now or miss out.
Why did you make me read and write about this Linus?
Why?
That's not really how the discussion questions
are supposed to work.
That's quite an extensive statement.
Yeah.
That being said, don't really disagree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Okay, what else we got?
Yeah, that's rough.
That's a game I'll never play.
Oh, YouTube forces.
The Vance app to shut down private tier community
in shambles.
And I wouldn't say shambles.
There are alternatives to Vance,
but I want to get out ahead of this before anyone gets this
in their mind because some people did.
I had nothing to do with this.
Guys, do you imagine based on the timeline
It's your fault.
that this actually aligns with us talking about Vance
in our return YouTube dislike button video?
Yep.
Come on.
An organization the size of Google,
a problem that's been around as long as Vance
and you think that they suddenly said, giddy up lawyers.
Here we go.
Come on.
I have it on good authority. This had nothing to do with me.
Nope. Nope.
No, not a single person at Google nor YouTube
had any idea what Vance was or knew that it existed
until they saw your video.
That's right.
I am the one authority that Google employees lean on
to learn about technology.
Yeah, they don't actually like read or watch anything else.
Just minus like this videos.
It's actually a rule that they're not allowed.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's illegal.
So the news broke early Sunday
with a tweet from the developers.
Vance has been discontinued in the coming days.
The download links on the website will be taken down.
We know this is not something you wanted to hear
but it's something we need to do.
Thank you all for supporting us over the years.
The devs then added.
Currently installed versions will work just fine
until they become outdated in two years or so.
But that's a guess.
If YouTube is really about making sure
that Vance dies a quick death,
there'll be some kind of functionality breaking change
to the API that will otherwise appear to be arbitrary
that will cause Vance to stop working.
YouTube Vance was a very popular app for Android
primarily due to its ability to block all video ads
on YouTube without a subscription to YouTube premium
as well as enable other functionality
that was either premium exclusive or Vance exclusive.
It enabled features like background play
and picture in picture viewing
and also enabled the ability to play a video on repeat,
a non-idiotic way to change video quality
and swipe controls to change volume and brightness
while viewing in full screen
without having to pull the notification shade down.
Another handy feature was the ability
to override max resolution
so you could watch 4K video on a 1080p device
allowing for higher bit rate video streams.
It also had an all black OLED theme
and included the ability to share a video with a timestamp,
a feature that is conspicuously missing
from the official app in spite of the fact
that I've complained about it to YouTube numerous times.
It's actually shocking.
Seems like a very easy thing to fix.
It seems like they could probably fix it in an afternoon
and they just don't because.
Alternatives do exist.
None have the same quality or rapid support
that Vance has managed.
So it is a sad day indeed for privateers.
Yeah, I'm honestly stunned that Vance was able to exist
as big as it was.
For as long as it was.
For as long as it did.
Because it's a modified version of the YouTube app
making it way more illegal than alternative,
fully open source alternatives like Newpipe,
hence, like Newpipe, excuse me.
And that's why Google was understandably so upset about it.
Discussion question here is,
what do you think happened
to make them finally take legal action against Vance?
I think it could be-
They're probably prepping it for a bit.
But it could have been,
well, they probably have had it prepped for a long time.
But if I had to guess,
it could have been Vance's recent attempt to monetize.
Oh, I didn't know.
Yeah, through, they did some kind of like an NFT thing
with the Vance logo or something like that,
which bore a lot of similarity to the YouTube logo.
There have been other community speculations
about what exactly happened.
So I don't see any other good guesses in the chat so far.
Yeah, that's about it.
Our other discussion question is,
what changes do you think could make the YouTube app better?
I mean, a lot of the stuff that Vance had
is just obvious stuff that Google should have already done.
I specifically asked a Google contact of mine,
like, hey, did you guys like look at the Vance app
for functionality and the answer I got
was very non-committal.
So maybe they do, maybe they don't.
The shared timestamp thing drives me nuts
because it's actually not super common
that I'll share videos without timestamps these days.
Like that's just how I share things.
It's just how you share videos.
If it's a Twitch stream, if it's a Twitch video,
if it's a YouTube video, whatever.
You could link to a particular point in an article,
you would, it's great.
I'm going to, exactly.
So if I see something on my phone and I'm like,
oh, I want to share this with someone,
then I'm just like, oh, okay.
Well, now I need to go find a computer
or like message this to myself and then I'll do it later.
Cause like, I don't want to send them the raw link
and then tell them to navigate.
I do sometimes, but it's not ideal.
It feels very ancient whenever you have to do that.
Yeah, I hate it.
Why is this still a problem?
Star Wars Sky says, speaking of privateering,
got my ad block shirt in today.
Been wearing it since, feels amazing.
Yeah, the new shirts are super nice.
And a question from Filet O'Java.
Are merch messages working?
Yeah, they're working.
They've been coming up.
They've been coming up the whole time.
If you mean, are they working from a business perspective?
The answer is absolutely.
People love merch messages.
It's so much better than like super chats
or whatever things there are on Twitch.
Cause you get to pay money to have your message read or seen
and you also like-
That part's actually free.
Get your order in the mail.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's great.
Oh, okay.
This is a cool topic.
I had an anonymous employee
from an anonymous large Nvidia competitor reach out
and say, hey Linus, I really feel like your take
was not very good on the big Nvidia leak.
Cause I think you and I were talking about saying,
I'm sure Nvidia's competitors
will be taking a close look at this.
And they basically gave me an um, actually
that I wanted to share with you guys.
So this is from an anonymous person who I have verified
does in fact work for a large Nvidia competitor,
but I will be keeping everything completely anonymous
because I agreed to do that
in order to have the benefit of sharing their thoughts
with you in a way that doesn't endanger their employment.
In the March 7th WAN Show,
we discussed the possibility
that the DLSS source code leak could benefit competitors.
But according to our insider,
a leak like Nvidia's is dangerous to the whole industry
because anyone who looks at it
is now effectively radioactive in terms of employment.
From a United States legal perspective,
corporate IP is protected several ways.
Copyright, patent, trademark, trade secrets,
the legal term for it, NDAs, the ITAR and EAR,
so US export controls on weapons and technology,
licensing agreements and IP sharing agreements
with third parties and even between departments
of the same company and open source licensing.
Effectively, there is no way for one company to utilize
or even look at another company's leaked IP
without facing unnatural amounts of criminal,
commercial and civil charges.
Everyone is ready to sue each other at a moment's notice,
so everyone generally plays it safe.
And this was an anecdote.
At one point, employees quit one company,
took a hard drive full of secrets
and tried to use it to get a job at another one.
Company two said F off and mailed the drives back
to company one.
Interesting.
None of this was surprising and I did not expect
or think at any level that a company approach would be this,
but I was expecting individuals
who were not going to disclose this to their boss.
It sounds like we got a very scrupulous person
who reached out to us.
Which is great.
Okay, this is one more point that they made.
The most legal way to steal ideas from another company
is to poach the employees involved.
And even then they can't just re-implement IP
from their former company.
The only legal and sane, they say,
option is to have them explain the theory
behind the hardware slash algorithm
and attempt to re-implement it in a way
that doesn't violate protections.
Which is I believe exactly what we were saying.
Which is what we were saying could potentially happen
whether the people who don't look at it realize or not.
Yes.
So we'll see.
We shall see.
But yeah, thank you very much for sharing your perspective.
That was extremely helpful and absolutely something
that I don't think we explained very well
or really gave any air time to whatsoever.
How dangerous it is to steal IP.
Yeah, there's no way a company approach would be to do that
because someone on the inside is gonna whistle blow
and you're just gonna get nuked.
Absolutely.
And you gotta understand how inbred the tech industry is.
Like within the time that I've been doing this,
I have seen individuals jump between competitors,
come full circle.
Not even necessarily competitors.
I've seen people relatively large,
like one that I can think of right now
has gone from Nvidia to Logitech.
Yep.
I don't believe they compete in anything.
Nope.
But yeah.
I mean,
just trying to remember.
I'm just trying to remember all the paths.
Dang it.
Okay, so Jim Keller went from, what was it?
AMD to Tesla to Apple,
back to AMD to Intel.
And I actually don't remember the pre-AMD,
but I believe, I'm not sure if he started at AMD.
Like that gives you some idea.
So if you think that there are amongst a team
or an entire company, right?
That there aren't still lingering connections.
You are sorely mistaken.
Yeah.
Sorely mistaken.
And we're not recommending anything
to be super clear as well.
Yeah.
All right.
Is that it for the show?
I mean, we could talk about Microsoft experimenting
with Windows 11 ads again, this time in File Explorer.
Oh, this was drafted by the new writer as well.
Windows 11 just sounds horrible.
So spicy.
Yeah, pretty annoying.
That sucks.
They said, this is the statement.
This was an experimental banner
that was not intended to be published externally
and was turned off.
Yeah, thank you for working on that, Mr. LeBland,
instead of something better that people actually want.
Cool, that's awesome.
Why don't we do some merch messages?
These have actually spurred
such interesting conversations lately.
I'm excited.
Yeah.
Taylor says, how many LTT gift cards
can be applied at checkout?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
It's either one or probably an extreme amount.
Michael L asks, I need some advice.
I'm still using a 6700K with a 3080.
I'm overdue for a CPU upgrade.
However, no, no, with the 38.
I got it, yeah.
Okay.
I'm not big on adopting a latest gen
that has firsts like DR5, PCIe Gen 5.
In your opinion, is Alder Lake stable enough
or would you wait for Raptor Lake?
For me, I would go for it.
I love the bleeding edge.
I'm all about it.
But if you don't like the bleeding edge,
based on, man, because it's the first for big little too.
Like it's not just firsts like DDR5 and PCIe Gen 5.
It's like first big little architecture
on X86 that I'm aware of.
I mean, yeah, I would go for it.
Yeah, I'd go for it.
What would you guys do?
Chat?
I would just base it on how hungry he is for an upgrade.
Like how much do you actually need it?
Like what are you doing with your system?
And what do you need out of your system?
If you don't need an upgrade right now, just wait.
There's no way your 6700K is a problem for 60 Hertz.
But if you're a high refresh rate gamer,
then yeah, 12900K would be a big upgrade.
12700K too, actually.
It's a really good upgrade.
Like 6700Ks, they're not garbage.
They're still pretty solid.
It just depends on what you're doing.
Chat, we want to hear about it.
A lot of people saying go Zen 3.
Yep, Zen 3 is valid and is pretty mature at this point.
Total Wire says go 10th gen.
Oh, interesting.
Okay, go 10th gen.
Stay away from Windows 11.
Yeah, okay.
Well, you're gonna get a lot of different advice down there.
Man, I would just go 12th gen personally,
but hard to say.
Phillip says, what's the possibility of seeing a video
focused on float planes operations at some point?
I need more Luke videos and it doesn't seem like
Scrapyard Wars will make a return anytime soon.
The problem with talking about your like architecture
is that a lot of it is like security and IP and...
We don't, yeah, we don't intend on doing anything
like obscurity through security through obscurity.
Cause that that's garbage anyways.
But like, I also don't think it would do very well
on the channel.
Yeah, it's tough.
Like I've kind of wondered before about like reaching out
to Wendell and like collabing on his channel
to talk about some of the stuff that we do.
Because like he has videos on like Docker
and whatever else and he's into it.
But like, you gotta understand it's all very softwarey.
Yeah.
There's no hardware to show you.
It's all running in just...
Data centers.
Rented, yeah, rented space and data centers.
Literally can't show you physical things at all.
Yeah, the security of those places is crazy.
And we're not getting in there.
We're not getting inside, so that's tough.
So yeah, I just don't, yeah.
And it would like actually be a non-trivial amount of work
when we have many things to work on.
So that being said, I think I'm overdue
to do a tech quickie or something.
So, and I'm here.
I'm here every week.
Curtis, I know Scrapyard Wars isn't coming back,
but what about build challenges between staff?
Most FPS per watt consumed.
Oh, that's kind of a fun one.
Cardboard case again, but with time and a budget.
Best looking wall mount system.
Yeah, there's not bad ideas.
I know that we're planning to do some kind of like
amazing PC building race and it's a play on amazing race.
And like PC race, where we'll have to complete
some kind of challenges to get our parts
to ultimately build a computer.
I think Intel sponsoring it, it should be fun.
I don't know if we have any kind of Scrapyard Warsy things
planned for the time being.
We do want to revisit cardboard cases though.
That was actually really fun.
Draven says, love the show.
Love your server rack home PC setup.
Curious what a good solution for routing
multiple home server racked gaming PCs
to multiple access points would be.
Okay, so a number of ways you could do it.
You could use steam in home streaming
and you could do it over IP,
like an internet protocol, sorry.
I just used IP to mean intellectual property
like very recently.
So I should be careful with that.
You're not gonna get the greatest quality
and there will be a latency delay.
So depending on what you're trying to do,
it may or may not be the best approach.
The way that I am planning to do it,
because I haven't actually revealed this yet,
but I am planning to make my personal rig accessible
from two different locations.
The way that I'm planning to do it
is just with optical display port
and optical USB running through the wall,
both connected to the computer
and the two displays running at the same resolution
and cloned.
It makes sense.
Very rudimentary.
I mean, it makes sense though.
Like you don't need more than that.
Two sets of peripherals, identical,
running at the same DPI settings and everything.
Sweet.
It's gonna be awesome.
Yeah, that sounds great.
It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
Yeah, my other display will probably wake
when I'm doing stuff, which isn't great for security,
but I'm at home, so I don't care.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He also said, Luke, hope you get your Steam Deck soon.
Yeah, still no email.
So.
Yeah, good luck with that.
I'm not holding out hope.
Emmanuel asks, what's your favorite part of your job
and what's the most frustrating part of your job?
Wow.
Favorite part.
My favorite part is you guys.
What?
What?
Cop out answer.
My favorite part is facilitating and witnessing
creation of things that like often don't feel possible.
Yeah.
That's been really cool on the full plane side of things.
Most frustrating part of my job
is mostly talking to vendors.
So you had a pretty good call with one this week.
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw that.
Yep.
That was pretty cool.
The most frustrating part of my job is definitely you guys.
You send me all kinds of conflicting messages.
This was good.
We hated this thing.
We love you Linus.
We think you're crap.
You can't keep doing this
if you want your community to stay behind you.
If you don't keep doing this,
your community is not gonna stay behind you.
Yeah, I know.
On the same video.
It's hard.
It's very hard.
I have, it's like, I'm always reminded of that scene
from Office Space where the guy's explaining
like how many different bosses he has
and how he spends all his time reporting into people.
I feel like I have 14 million bosses.
Yeah.
All with different deliverables
and different temperaments.
Yep.
Yep.
Pretty rough.
Jack Stalgia says,
Hey Linus and Luke, I remember a while ago
you made a video discussing your issues
with random battery gain on Samsung phones.
Is this an issue you're still experiencing?
Currently dealing with this on an S22.
I haven't seen it in a couple,
I didn't see it for a long time on my Note 9
and I haven't seen it at all on my Fold 3.
I have to imagine it's some app
that manages to vampire the crap out of the battery
while battery monitoring apps do not detect it
because I couldn't find anything that would pick up
what was draining my flipping battery.
I don't know.
I only ever experienced it on Samsung phones,
but I haven't been able to,
and I couldn't reliably replicate it.
I don't know.
By the way, I think I struck a chord.
Full plane chat sort of exploded
after I mentioned the talking with vendors thing.
I guess this is a common thing that people don't like.
It's the worst.
It's rough, yeah.
Birdie TX, I'm in the market for a new smartwatch.
I've been using the Pebble Steel for nine years.
I finally died.
I'm sorry to hear that, man.
Pebble, so good.
So good.
Any recommendations?
I've been looking at Garmin watches,
but LTT hasn't reviewed any yet.
Any chance for that in the future?
Smartwatch reviews don't perform well for us.
I think that's the kind of thing
we'd need to create a specific channel,
like smart devices and wearables or something like that,
because they just,
there's a lot of people that really care,
but there's not a really lot of people
that care kind of a bit,
which is what we actually need.
I've been using the Galaxy Watch 4.
It's fine, I guess.
I don't know, man.
I'm honestly considering just switching to an analog watch.
Maybe I'll just get like a Casio calculator watch
or something like that.
Just go retro.
I just, I find it's just not that useful anymore.
I really liked, I loved my Pebble.
It did everything I needed it to do.
Long battery life,
the screen was readable under any conditions.
I just, I don't know, man.
Just so utterly unimpressed.
I feel like I want something more basic.
Yeah.
Just notifications and time, nothing else.
I don't want it to do calls.
I don't want notifications and time.
Like there are times it comes in handy.
I did take a call on it when I was like
on a badminton court and my phone was on the side
and like, it was in the middle of, there was a gap.
I was like, actually, this is from my pharmacy.
I really need to take this.
Hi, yep, yep, sure.
I'll be there to pick it up tomorrow.
Like it's useful, but I don't know.
It runs out of battery in one day sometimes,
just inexplicably.
Yeah, that's right.
I have no, I've done no additional setup on it.
I have installed no additional apps or anything like that.
I use it for nothing other than telling the time
and occasionally looking at a notification
when it happens to work.
And it'll just die in the middle of the day sometimes.
I just don't get it.
That's rough.
Anonymous spent $69 and 98 cents and asked,
you talk about LTT Labs and what it will do,
but could you talk more about Creator Warehouse?
IRC, you said that you would do other stuff
for other creators.
Do you plan to try to make it a one-stop shop
for high quality merchant making products?
We don't know exactly.
Yeah, we'd love to service other creators.
Right now, we don't have a solid structure for that
because we're based in Canada, we ship worldwide.
A lot of creators are in the US.
How do we handle the taxation around that?
It's really complicated.
That's tough.
Wait, you're saying you bought this garment
in the Philippines and then you printed it in Canada,
but the person who actually owns it is in America,
but then the money comes from Europe
and it goes first to them and then to you?
No, no, it goes to you and then to them,
but then the invoice was paid by them and then...
Spooky, taxes are spooky.
Yeah, it's really complicated.
Because they're really difficult to do.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
I mean, we'd love to just pay our taxes.
Yep.
You know, no problem, no problem.
We pay our taxes and we're glad that we have schools
and hospitals and roads and libraries and all that stuff
that matters a lot.
It's that it's so hard.
It's just really complicated.
Thanks, lobbying.
As for making products, I mean,
we want it to just be a place where we like make cool stuff
that we think is really cool.
We had a really cool idea that we found out is patented
and we have a call with a lawyer to find out
if we can get around the patent with a solution
that I think is hilarious
because it's how we wanted to do the product anyway
that might make it not in violation of the patent.
I'll explain it to you off camera.
Okay, sweet.
But that one's probably,
that one's probably a year out anyway.
Unlike the screwdriver and backpack,
if you're tuning in a little bit late today,
on lttstore.com,
you can now sign up for an email list
that will notify you once the, oh, whoops.
Sorry, sorry.
That's not what I meant to do.
This one.
You can sign up for a notification that will tell you
when the backpack and the screwdriver are in stock.
There we go.
Sorry about that.
And what was I talking about?
I don't even remember.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, we just want to make cool stuff
that we think is cool.
There you go.
Yeah.
Last one.
Gregory.
Been watching the channel for about a year
and become a big fan.
I'm wondering how you decide
how many videos each week to star in.
Do you try to hit a certain quota
or is it dependent on how interested you are
in your availability?
Mostly availability.
I try and host and review scripts
for as much of it as I can.
It's just not always possible
and I trust my team to anything I can't do,
they're gonna do, they're gonna kill it.
So it's great.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the great thing about having a team is,
you know, when I have time, I do it.
When I'm on vacation or whatever videos still get made.
Amazing, right?
How many YouTubers can say that?
I'm so proud of the team that we have here.
There, that's my favorite thing about working here
is absolutely the team.
You guys rock.
All right.
Cool.
Bye.
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Scobadoo in theclerplane chat asks,
wonder if LTT will ever have a US-based operation
to make tax stuff easier.
The answer is no,
because that would be way harder.
I am a Canadian citizen.
Ah, owning a US-based business as a Canadian citizen,
not complicated,
not complicated at all.
Yeah. For sure.
That'd be bad, it would be very, very, very, very, very, very bad.
I am pausing the selected, ending the stream, and ending the stream.