Fication was wrong apparently.
Mmm, oops.
Oh, and we're live!
Hey! Welcome to the WAN Show! The selected resumed extremely quickly today, and we've got a fantastic show for you today, starting of course
with the artesian build-a-scandal!
Why?
Why would you take a big dump on your community members in public?
It's been really entertaining to watch.
I mean, if you want to take a dump on your community members, you should at least do it privately, like Nintendo does.
So we'll be talking about both of those. What else we got today, Luke?
NVIDIA hacked, DLSS source code leaked, and lots of other bad things.
Yeah, it seems to be a pretty substantial hack. What else we got?
Epic Games bought Bandcamp. I did not see that coming. I don't know anyone that saw that coming.
Oh, I did.
What?
100%.
I don't believe you.
Obviously, it just made so much sense to roll the intro.
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Actually, I have a spicy take to start us off with. What's the title of the show?
Don't...
Never hate on your community?
Never hate on your community, yes.
Does that mean you can't make fun of Twitch chat anymore?
Twitch chat's not my community.
No, they don't count?
No.
Okay, sounds good.
They're awful people.
I never want to be associated with Twitch chat. Love you Twitch chat.
Okay, starting us off.
Yeah, so I have to confess I was not keeping abreast of this whole drama.
So it's been it's been summarized for me here by one Nicolas Bouluff.
And I'm going to hope that he's got all the details right.
But basically Noah Katz, CEO of Artesian Builds.
So I have to confess I had never heard of before.
The first thing that I said when I heard all of this was I'm sorry who?
And it's like it's not a knock.
I just there's there's literally a thousand boutique PC builders out there.
I mean hell I think both you and I probably qualified as boutique PC builders at some point in our lives.
Yeah, like I would I would try to find people who needed builds done and I would go to attic.ca and ncix.com
and I would use my premier partner membership to get slightly better pricing
and pass my savings on to my pocket while you pay the full price.
You know, like it was that's how contractors work that it's actually how it works.
Yeah, so I just can't I can't keep track of every possible boutique builder out there.
So it's not it's not a knock against them.
And I think they if I could make an assumption.
I believe they mostly sponsored streamers and neither of us really watch streams, right?
So probably part of it is that's probably part of it.
What is a knock against them is what happened next?
Oh, yeah.
They seem to have some kind of program where they do giveaways of like gaming PC's they stream building them.
Apparently they're a pretty significant PC builder streamer.
The only one that I really know is Robi Tech.
Yeah, and that's only because we collab with Robi Tech seems like super swell, dude.
Yeah, but apparently they're one of the bigger PC build streamers
and on their stream. They drew an eligible streamer.
Kia pia. I don't know.
Well, whatever this is that sounded cool.
This is the channel. Okay.
Oh intended for mature audiences.
Well, I certainly won't be looking at that.
I'm not a very mature boy drew an eligible streamer for a giveaway
then refused to give it to her because she was not popular enough.
She was not part of the criteria.
She hit every other criteria except this was the quote 2,000 followers is under my threshold,
which was not defined.
And then some this is no okay all followers combined still under 5k across multiple socials.
I was trying to be generous what trying to be generous.
Here's the reason this person has three months of ambassadorship and not a single click.
This is an ambassador giveaway said no a cat CEO of artesian builds which they are to be clear.
They were an ambassador. Well, not anymore. They were an ambassador.
Yeah. So my understanding is the requirement is that you have to have a link to them in your in your bio
or a little banner thing. Yeah.
Okay. And then what were what were the other requirements?
You have to honestly I hated the video.
It was so cringy to watch that.
I don't fully remember because I haven't rewatched it since like the beginning of this candle,
but I think it was just you just had to be an ambassador to be an ambassador.
I know you had to have the thing in the description the banner.
Yeah outside of that. I'm not really certain.
I don't think it was very much. Huh?
Okay, sure. So basically the deal was that if if someone clicks through and buys the computer you get a kickback.
I see I see.
Okay, and basically because there was no click-through and no sales.
They kind of changed the rules on the fly after having drawn someone live
and then who had who did have the banner and had had the banner as well.
Like they didn't just add it quickly for the stream.
It was already there. It had already been there.
So here's the thing and then they roasted them.
It's not it's not like they just said no which was already bad
because honestly if you wanted to do a giveaway and you're like,
okay to be eligible for the giveaway you have to have this many click-throughs
or this many subscribers or whatever.
That's that's its own thing.
But if there's none of those terms laid out
and then the person doesn't meet your magical in your head requirements
and then you just roast them for it live
and then like do this like success fist bump like yes,
we were able to not give it to this small struggling streamer.
I don't he obviously didn't say that
but like he was very stoked with himself that he was able to deny this person the computer.
So here's the thing if you're going to have an ambassadorship program
if you want to get the benefit of a whole whack load of small streamers going out there
and putting your banner under their streams which cumulatively I have to assume is non negligible.
Then you're going to have to eat it once in a while
and give a prize to someone that might not have an amazing
ROI for your business from like a dollars
and cents standpoint and at the end of the day,
you know, the attitude is a problem the attitude is obviously a problem.
But to me, it's just a matter of Integrity.
I am not going to name any names for what I think are pretty obvious reasons,
but one year at our Christmas party,
we had a very substantial perk.
I will I will call it.
It was it was a large valuable interesting thing that happened.
And we had someone who attended who we knew was probably not going to make it
and it was one of those things where we we had made the decision,
but we were in a position where it wasn't about stringing someone along it was about that.
It was Christmas and the you know,
I just don't have it in me to give someone the boot,
you know, two three weeks before Christmas that it my in my mind is it is a monstrous is a monstrous thing to do.
I mean, obviously there's never a good time to dismiss someone.
I hate I hate firing people.
It's it's caused problems for me in the past how much I hate firing people,
but it's we decided to do this thing and there was a big debate among senior managers that kind of went.
Okay, so do we do we give them this thing?
And the answer was yes because the deal is if you're in the LMG family,
you are in the LMG family until such time as you are not in the LMG family.
And then a really funny thing happened was Luke knows this on a scale of 1 to 10.
How would you describe the giveaways at the LMG Christmas party?
Oh just I don't want to be cliche but like break the 10 like go I've I've never witnessed anything on that scale
and I I went to early packs when it was nuts.
And when my we would literally there would be three of us
and we'd fill my dad's work van with giveaways every year at PAX back then that wasn't even close to the Christmas party scale.
So like yeah, we did stuff this year that wouldn't fit in your van.
Yeah, it was pretty good.
We had yeah.
Yeah, this 16 was like going around delivering things to people's houses had to rent a u-haul anyway.
Yeah, the point is that particular individual also walked away with like six or seven grand worth of Christmas party giveaways.
And the reason I'm telling this story is not because I think I'm some kind of amazing guy
for treating people with the the basic of having the basic attitude of if I say I'm going to do something then I need to do it.
It's that I consider that to be basic and everyone needs to just do that.
That's all I have.
That's all I kind of have to say about that.
So that whole thing took place a few years ago.
It's it's all it's all water completely under the bridge.
That's why I feel like I can kind of talk about it.
I'm not going to name any names.
Nobody nobody I guarantee you people aren't going to be able to get nobody will be able to guess it.
It's just one of those situations where it doesn't matter if you kind of would have rather that prize went to someone who's going to like maybe still work there in a month.
If you said the way it works is if you participate in in the games,
and if you pick the right thing to put your your your name in and you get drawn then darn it you do it.
Yeah, that's it. That's all there is to it.
Yeah. And and I agree with all of that and then it gets so much worse.
Oh, no, because he rose to the person and then it goes on the community.
Backlash was was really really intense OTK parted ways.
Who is OTK one true king?
They're like a twitch group.
Is it like a like a Christian group or something?
Or like no no no OTK Network.
Okay. I think it stands for one true king.
Okay, cool. Sure. It's a twitch streamer group of people.
Cool shortly after Mizkif who I believe is in OTK said that apparently the PC that they gave him was absolute garbage bleep.
Poop poo poo. Yeah poop with an S.
All right, Nick mercs a streamer partnered with artesian spoke out and said that he is reevaluating the relationship Intel gaming is looking into it.
Pestily which is a Tarkov streamer and video creator cut ties with them Community Outreach in a in a positive sense.
It's also been really strong J's 2 cents is building or this is built so I guess he's already done built her a PC.
She's already up to almost 20,000 followers now.
So like bit of a bump. I also think that's just on twitch like he mentioned less than 5k for all socials or whatever.
I think she's above 20 just on twitch and this was probably written a bit ago.
She might even be higher than now. I think it's like 25,000 now.
I had opened it up before 23,500 high Larry is so so that's pretty epic.
Also artesian's apology video can probably go in the like Smithsonian equivalent of terrible apology videos.
There's such amazing highlights like when he says that future PC giveaways will be able to go to any type of creator regardless of their size.
He does like a big defeated sigh right before he says that part which is just amazing like super high quality.
He has amazing quotes that I'm not gonna be able to do because I don't I didn't like just watch the video.
Yeah, he mentions at some point like we're going to focus on getting like even better and I'm like,
dude, you need to focus on the better part not even better.
Like you're not you're not in a good situation right now.
It's rough Christopher Ye found out that artesian is throttling GPUs to combat thermal issues.
Apparently one creator asked him to take a look at her PC
and he found that evj's overclocking program had been installed with a 10% throttle applied.
What which is which is just epic a kind of skeezy and be completely unnecessary.
It's a huge throttle and then video GP will throttle itself on its own.
What are you doing? It's been doing it on its own for like a while now.
This is not even new just just epic just bullet after bullet after bullet.
And then finally apparently we dodged a bullet because as you mentioned,
we did neither of us have heard of these guys before but apparently they wanted to work with us super bad.
There's clips on Twitch of him like begging his community to to reach out to get us to work with them.
Etc. Etc. Etc. And we just never did it all really.
Yeah, apparently Noah said on stream that artesian is the PC company.
Linus would have started if ltt was a PC company.
Okay. Nope.
Um, I can't say that I would have throttled a GPU.
Yeah. Oh, that's too bad.
I mean, I oh crap. I'm doing the thing.
I said not to do what right in the title.
It says it says not to it says not to hate on your community because he's technically part of the community artesian is part of my community.
Okay rip asterisk with some exception.
How do I get out of this Luke?
I don't know dude, whatever I know I'm I'm everything's a guideline not a rule.
I was honest. I was on a streak not very long.
I had one week going with no hot takes no controversy.
Why are you bringing controversy back?
It's got to happen to Linus Tech Tips.
Got to happen. Oh, oh, I see a merch message have people that we've got new products available on the store today.
Yeah. All right. We'll talk about them in more detail later,
but we have better and more dark cable ties are so much amazing or now they're like awesome.
Now packaging is sweet to the packaging.
Okay, stop stop stop. We're gonna talk about it later.
Okay. Okay. What else what else is there to say about this?
There's a comment here. It doesn't say J's two cents built her a PC.
Yeah, I mentioned that. Yeah. Oh, did you yeah, that's sick.
That was fast to he turned that around quick.
That's crazy. Like he's already got a video about it something that I really like.
Is she like local? Is he like handed to her or what?
I haven't watched a video. That's a sick machine.
I'm sure it is. Why is this thermal readout sideways?
Come on Jay. No, I'm kidding. He think he can fix that in software.
He can fix it with the EVGA utility.
Did you just all you got to do is turn the GPU clock speed down 10% it'll turn right around.
Brutal something that I've always really liked about being in the like PC hardware community.
Is that yeah, the creators in it always seem to have each other's back.
Well, heck yeah, who else is going to have our backs?
But like you see a lot a huge range of different other communities on the internet.
It's not really that way right whether there's manufactured conflicts
because they're just trying to like create fake battles because those get views.
Or there's actual conflicts. Beef. Yeah, beef.
Whether it's real or fake seems to be in a lot of other communities.
That's but the the computer hardware community always is actually fairly tight-knit.
A lot of people in the PC hardware community are just straight up friends with each other
and everyone has their back pretty hard.
So I was I was actually I saw on Twitter that Jay said like I'll build you a computer or whatever.
I thought that was super cool and just everyone rushing to to Kia's defense was was awesome.
It's good to see good to see. I love it.
Way to go PC community. Yep.
In other news Nintendo is removing Nintendo game emulation videos particularly on
are they're removing videos that feature their games being emulated particularly on the steam deck.
Now. I actually had a little chat with one of the creators that has been affected by this
and we've got a theory that we share but why don't we go through Anthony's take here first,
which is in the WAN show doc as steam decks reach consumers
hands videos of using the steam deck as a switch emulation machine are being taken down by the big N
for the uninitiated Yuzu a switch emulator is able to run on the steam deck and PCs
and has some pretty desirable features such as higher resolution rendering game mods higher frame rate support
and more it does not however support Nintendo's online Nintendo switch online services.
Nintendo is famously anti emulators except when it comes to using emulation in their own products
and which was really awkward. It was the was it the mini ness or the mini SNES.
Didn't they use like emulation code to from somebody else if I recall correctly.
Yeah, the next classic is based on open source emulation software.
Yeah. Yeah. So Nintendo is very against it except when it benefits them.
Let's wait we can sell this. Let's be very very clear that they have a line in the sand for when it's okay
and when it's not and when it comes to emulating current gen consoles,
it turns out that they are especially litigious now currently the only way to legally dump your own switch games
is to have a modded switch which is relatively uncommon
since Nintendo fixed the recovery mode exploit in 2018 and firmware 8.0.0 patch the browser exploit in 2019.
I had an og switch and I actually gave it away at the Christmas party
because I had treated myself to an OLED one and I was like, oh that was really stupid.
I still have one. Yeah, I might have access to a second.
Yeah, it's fine. I'm over it realistically.
I can afford to just buy one on eBay if I like need to dump a game or whatever,
but I'm just very mad at myself. Yeah. But anyways,
that means most switch emulation is piracy in the legal sense.
That is literally this time literally downloaded from the internet.
Yeah. Yeah. The question of whether it's that's truly piracy.
If you own the game is thought to lean towards.
Yes, legally only dumping your own is only dumping your own.
Yeah, your own ROMs. Yeah, it's legal legally protected
and even that's not settled in Nintendo's eyes,
which is obviously from an ethical standpoint freaking ridiculous.
If I have a copy of the game sitting right next to me on my desk while I play that game not not install not lent to a friend sitting there right there in front of me
while I play that game on my PC because I want save states
or I want to play at a higher refresh rate or resolution
or I want to use a controller that doesn't cost 90 Canadian dollars
and is kind of ass right like there's a lot of reasons that I might wish to do it that way.
I personally do not consider that to be from an ethical sense wrong.
Jaden mentioned in flow plane chat that there was apparently one time where they sold a Mario ROM downloaded from a ROM site.
Oh, really? I vaguely remember something about that.
But yeah, someone that was like was tasked with like creating a ROM to sell on some some digital store
and they're just like yeah, I'll skip the work and download it.
So here's the thing Nintendo is within their right to protect their intellectual property from software piracy.
That is absolutely the case.
However, none of what we just said empowers Nintendo legally to take down videos
simply for showing their gameplay or showing that it is possible to do these things.
So that's where Nintendo utilizing copyright takedowns gets into pretty murky water.
Now, this is probably the most interesting part of all of this.
I have a video featuring Nintendo Switch emulation with the Yuzu emulator.
My video is still up, but my new friend.
Okay, the Fox PHAWX not F-O-X.
So not the local radio station.
No, no, not that either.
So I'm so sorry.
I don't know how to pronounce your last name too, but Kerry Golomb, Golomb?
It doesn't matter.
The point is Kerry ended up with a whack of videos taken down
and I believe it was one of or some of his videos being taken down
that ultimately prompted the news story that caught my eye.
It was in my Google News feed that made me finally introduce myself to Kerry
because I've been aware of him for quite some time,
but just hadn't really had an occasion to talk to him.
And in our back and forth, I'm not going to put any words in Kerry's mouth
because I think it's up to him how he wants to address this whole controversy
and I don't want to put him in a position where he feels like,
because of what I said he said, Nintendo might, you know, come after him
or feel like he would, whatever, right?
Like I don't want to put any words in Kerry's mouth, but I will say what I think.
And I think the reason that this has been,
this has mostly flown under Nintendo's radar up until now,
but all of a sudden is enough problem that they went and removed
not only Kerry's Steam Deck emulation videos,
but also previous videos showcasing Switch emulation was to send a message
basically to attack a small creator who doesn't have the financial or time,
the financial means or the time to defend themselves as a kind of like warning shot.
Because the reality of it is Nintendo did not use the correct mechanism to attack Kerry.
Streaming gameplay footage, I don't believe has actually been tested in court,
but my understanding is that it would be pretty defensible from a fair use standpoint,
particularly in the context of reviewing a hardware device
and using that software to demonstrate and that intellectual property
because really it's only the source code would be copyrightable.
It's the trademarks.
It's the imagery that Nintendo feels is being violated
when people show their gameplay footage.
So in the context of using that software to review a hardware device,
that is highly transformative.
Maybe arguably affects the market for the original work.
So that's where some game streaming does run into a little bit of trouble.
I'm trying to remember off the top of my head what the other two pillars are,
pillars of fair use, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, the four factors.
Here we go. Purpose and character use, the nature of the copyrighted work.
So it's a game showing a game being played on a gaming device.
I think that's pretty defensible.
The amount and substantiality of the portion taken, obviously negligible.
I mean, you're not getting the story. You're not getting the gameplay experience.
You're not having the fun. You're just seeing it running on a screen.
I think that it would be pretty defensible if we actually made it there.
But Akash Kumar points out in the Twitch chat that fair use is an argument.
It's not a legal definition. You would actually have to litigate it.
So Nintendo either is kind of going, okay,
we're going to send out a warning to the community.
It's very unlikely we'll actually end up in court over this.
Yep. And this is not the correct mechanism,
but we are basically threatening to do something else
if you don't get in line and stop showing switch emulation.
So naturally, my response to this is that I need to get my hands on a switch that allows ROM dumping
and I'm going to make a video. I'mma dump some ROMs and I'mma run them on the switch.
You ready for the next part? All right, did I say on the switch?
I'm going to run them on the Steam Deck.
Yeah, I'm going to have the cartridges right next to me showing that I fully backed them up
and I am and I'm running them on my Steam Deck and I'm going to see what happens.
I've got my switch has a cool clear purple plastic back and should be old enough to roam down.
All right, I can bring that in. Well, that sounds pretty interesting to me
because the reality of it is I don't think there's any legal foot to stand on
and I can play my Nintendo games on my Steam Deck to my heart's content using my Yuzu emulator.
So I'm very excited.
There's a question here from Anthony that I think is really good.
Does the Streisand effect make this much more likely to spread?
I mean, we're talking about it on this show.
There's probably going to be other people talking about it.
I've seen news articles about this already that are not from us.
Will this literally just make it worse for Nintendo?
What do you think? I think absolutely.
I don't know. I mean emulation is not like it's not new.
I don't think people like don't know about well,
I shouldn't say that because there have been some extremely ignorant responses to my tweet about this
and I'm not like saying like they're you know,
these people are dumb or evil or anything like that.
They're just extremely ignorant. Like you'd see people saying there is no reason to emulate a game.
There are lots of reasons to emulate a game.
I mean, we mentioned some of them already.
If you want to play them at a higher resolution or if you want Nintendo games that throttle really hard
when there's too many things going on on screen.
I mean Breath of the Wild is a launch game and it like doesn't run great.
Yeah, it gets pretty rough. Like I mean save states are a huge one speed running in flow plane chat.
There's so I wasn't aware of Yuzu. I am now and I will be using it.
I'm like in my experience from growing up. Usually it was generations past that were emulatable.
Yeah. Well the fact that the switches go underpowered like that's fair.
I mean, it's a phone from like six years ago.
Like that's what actually runs the thing.
So it's it's not it's not to be clear massive massive respect to the engineering
that goes behind creating an emulator for any console,
but that particular one we didn't have to wait a long time
for the computer hardware to get powerful enough to do it.
Yeah. Yeah save states save lives Conrad a hundred percent.
So yeah speed running. I mean,
that's a community that has absolutely contributed to Nintendo's footprint as a gaming company,
but they just they tend not to not to see things that way.
It's in this very black and white sort of narrow view.
And yeah, I invite Nintendo to issue a copyright takedown of my video claiming that I have infringed upon their footage
because I will not have and that'll be interesting.
Yeah. Yeah, I intend to dispute it.
I think in no small part because of these types of things
and I genuinely mean it quite strongly that in no small part
because these types of things Roblox is now worth more than Nintendo.
Really? Yeah. Well, I heard that I haven't I don't like look up the information myself,
but I was I was informed that that is the case crazy Roblox is like birdies got me for a bunch of reasons.
There's videos about that on on the YouTube's but yeah,
they're worth like a ton and Nintendo if they keep going after content creators is is they're going to keep having issues.
I've got another really cool example of why emulation is super sick.
It's it's a great way to be able to run like filters on your like if you like a particular look on the game,
like if you're playing a SNES game on an LCD instead of on a CRT you can add scan lines.
You can add anti aliasing for example to PS1 games making them actually look better than they did on the original console.
There's yeah, like I said, it's it's just kind of amazing to me like people who who think emulation.
I there was this big argument on I think it was Twitter where someone was saying how how hard emulation is
and I said something along the lines of like I'm sure your nephew could do it.
Like it's oh, I thought it like the creation of emulators.
No, like like playing running your own emulators.
It's not it's not hard like it's it's very it's very cases.
It's like notably easier to be completely honest.
I don't know to be clear like I I don't remember the last time I played a pirated Nintendo game,
like especially a current one like I own a switch.
I also own a but I don't own that switch anymore.
I own a switch OLED.
I actually am I Luke's not going to like this but I buy almost all my stuff through the Nintendo eShop.
I don't buy physical costs. I want to keep track of that.
I put a big fat micro SD card in that thing and I just like download my games.
I got my kids ring fit adventure for Christmas.
You're like very likely just going to lose all those games like but then I guess you can just emulate that right?
Yeah, so there's a valid use for emulation.
Nintendo screws you over because of some like shop going offline or whatever.
I will utterly shamelessly emulate those games.
Yeah shamelessly and now that you have a steam deck.
It's like not even that different of a format.
So that's the big theory.
I wanted to talk about that's why I think Nintendo is issuing a crackdown on this right now
because up until now emulation of particularly the switch has been a niche use case.
It's been people who are sitting at their computer for the most part.
Nobody has media PC's especially not ones that are powerful enough to run you zoom for the most part.
Nobody has handhelds that are actually running this thing at least not in any volume
like a GPD Win or an Aya Neo.
Okay, there's there's hundreds of us out there, right?
Like it's not the steam deck is going to ship millions of units all of a sudden this is
and it's in a form factor that is admittedly much larger than the switch
and particularly the switch light but in a form factor that is now competitive with the switch
and so all of a sudden Nintendo's going owes to know people are going to figure out this is a thing.
We better make it go away.
I changed my mind.
There's definitely some Streisand effect going on here.
Did you see this is totally off topic,
but did you see gay Ben was delivering steam decks?
I did see that so I love it.
I absolutely love it.
It's great.
I am still in hashtag no email gang unfortunately,
so I have no idea what I'm gonna be getting mine, but it'll happen.
It's fine.
I would offer to win one but I'm using it every day.
How's that going?
You know what?
I haven't actually used a desktop computer since I switched to it
because I've been like it's kind of a hassle.
I gotta like set every I gotta plug in my USB hub and stuff.
So I just haven't touched my computer, but I've been playing lots of games.
I spent I put like 12 hours into Horizon Zero Dawn.
Okay, so you've been using the steam deck a lot just not as a desktop.
Yeah.
Yeah, I haven't actually like used desktop mode on it yet.
But no no, I've been using it live.
How's Zero Dawn running?
Because when it first came to PC, it was really problematic even on Windows.
It's been okay.
So I have I definitely have some stuff already to talk about in my 30-day steam deck video.
For one thing Horizon Zero Dawn ran probably the first like six seven hours completely problem-free
and then I started to get these like really awful stutters
as I was getting deeper and deeper into the game
and I don't know what that has to do with
because it's not really getting more graphically intensive.
I would lean on it being Horizon Zero Dawn's problem
more than I would lean on it being the Steam Deck's problem.
Well, that's the thing is I don't care.
At the end of the day if you're going to be a console,
it doesn't matter. I bought your hardware.
There's certain standards.
I bought the game that you said is verified for your hardware.
Oh, it's oh, it's a verified game.
Yeah, it's a verified title.
So as a consumer, right?
So you're talking to me Linus the Enthusiast who understands well protons hard.
But as a consumer, I don't care that doesn't matter.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think it's a pro like like I big fan of Zero Dawn.
I love the Horizon series. When I first got it when it came to PC,
I got into a situation where I had a repeating game crashing bug.
I could not play the game. I went up to the next year progression bug.
Yeah, like right away.
Okay, full plane chat says that it's it's it's Gouda on PC now.
Okay, cool. That's good.
It's been quite a while and and they did dedicate to fixing it
and there was a lot of patches coming out.
I just haven't retouched it since I trust full plane chat.
I'm sure it's fine to be clear.
We're talking Horizon Zero Dawn Ducky that not the latest one not not forbidden.
Yeah. So anyway Zero Dawn and then it gets worse.
So I started to have issues where the right joystick
if I put the deck to sleep
and wake it without completely relaunching the game the right joystick will work in the menu,
but won't work to rotate the camera in game.
This is just Zero Dawn or just Zero Dawn so far,
but that's what I've spent most of my time playing
and these are things that I'm noticing more as I'm not benchmarking games
as I am playing them like actually putting tens of hours into a game.
Yeah after I started getting those stuttering issues.
I ran into a complete full system hang.
I had the screen just go black and it was gone.
Fortunately. I had just saved
and then I've also had some really bad stutters where for like 10 15 seconds.
It's running at like one FPS
and that was happening for like a bit
and then I did a reboot and it was fine.
There's also some kind of hassles on on like a Nintendo console
when you update it updates the console
and when you update the game it updates the game on the steam deck
because so much of the software magic that's going on is proton
when you update the console like half your freaking games update every time as far as I can tell
and I think that's why but I haven't validated that with valve.
I'm just I'm just trying to experience it as a consumer would
and I just feel like every time I turn on the damn thing half my games are running updates
and because I threw a one terabyte microSD in it.
I have like a freaking ton of games on it.
Just because I wanted to like have a big game library on my trip
and I was like, I don't know what I'm going to play.
I'm going to I'm going to pick up something.
I ended up picking up Horizon Zero Dawn.
I'm sure we could talk about Horizon Zero Dawn a fair bit
because honestly, I don't think it's very good.
But that's fine.
Okay, I shouldn't say it's not very good.
I should say it's flawed.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the first 10 hours
and what I'm running into now particularly running at like 25 to 30 FPS.
On a controller on a little screen is that some of the big dinosaur machine things have
extremely small weak points and are a real chore to fight
and because it has a very light touch to its RPG character progression elements
where basically you just invest skill points into sort of being better into skills
like being better at stuff.
You don't just get like jacked and start just one arrowing everything just like getting around
is kind of a pain in the butt like the enemies respawn so quickly
and some of them are so tedious and so resource intensive to fight.
I don't remember that being you can run away from them pretty easily.
Maybe I just did that which is a plus
but the other thing that really bothers me
and this is something I'm sure we could do a full podcast episode on
is that unlike Zelda Breath of the Wild with its in my opinion
excellent weapon breaking mechanic.
Yeah.
Horizon Zero Dawn has almost no dopamine hit for me when I'm looting.
Yeah. Oh, no, that's for sure.
There's like no reason to fight.
I get like crappy like upgrades for my weapons
and my armor of which you can only put like at max
it seems like three things on it
and I'm only you know 20% progression through the game
and I've already got ones with three slots.
There doesn't appear to be any meaningful difference in defensive benefit other than you know,
elemental defenses and stuff like that from different gear.
I don't remember is Horizon one of those games where it includes like collectibles
and stuff in its game progress percentage?
I don't know because there's a lot of games where you like beat it at like 40%.
I either way I'm like not that far in.
Okay. I'm pretty sure I'm not that far in because I've done a bunch of side stuff as well.
So so there's so it's just not that and the crafting materials are just really arbitrary.
Yeah, like you just need oh you need one of these to do a thing go hunt raccoons
and I notably did not like the looting and progression systems.
I specifically remember that extremely extreme.
So the cyber Pope says Breath of the Wild had zero meaningful difference in gear also.
That is true.
But the difference is that Zelda Breath of the Wild had the weapon breaking mechanic.
Yeah, and the weapons got significantly more powerful.
So you were able to fight more powerful foes
and there was this inventory management element that as a as an RPG player
who actually enjoys painstakingly managing my equipment and inventory,
you know, like I love Final Fantasy Tactics.
For example, I enjoy that whereas with Horizon Zero Dawn.
I was 10 hours in still using my starting bow.
That's boring. I want a new bow that is better and like yeah,
I got the like accurate like long-range bore or whatever that takes a thousand years to reload
but like give me give me a rapid shot bow or like one that makes my knockback way less
or it's like something give me something interesting.
And so it was really yeah, it was really it was really boring.
Someone in chat said that you beat the story at something like 40%
so you're probably like half or slightly over halfway through.
I've all but I like I said, I've also done a bunch of side stuff.
So I don't know I I'm just yeah,
I'm not and then I reached this point where you have to clear three enemy encampments.
That is just clear gameplay padding is too much.
Yeah, we clear one enemy encampment
and then there's like this stealth segment that's like a pain in the butt.
And then there's this like bird this like giant freaking bird that you're given no briefing whatsoever.
It has this gigantic area of effect attack and I'm just sitting here going.
I finally shoot the thing down and I get some like weapon enhancement coil.
It's not even better than what I already have.
I'm like when you only that's one of my big criticisms of the earlier Zelda games is there's like nothing to get you get all these rupees
and there's nothing to buy you don't care.
But that's why Breath of the Wild was so interesting to me
because the in-game economy had a meaning there was a purpose to it.
You actually wanted to sell stuff.
You wanted to like turn your your raw materials into things that you could sell for more
so that you can get that that like better armor that you needed
and get the like that that weapon that you're going to need to take down that thing
so you could steal its weapons so that you could farm those things
and a looting system that Breath of the Wild reminded me of that.
I've been kind of chasing forever and Breath of the Wild is the first thing that's given me kind of a taste of it is actually original Everquest
because an original Everquest way back in the day when I was like 10
if you if you were running around and you're like four pixels of awesome
if you saw a skeleton or whatever enemy and he had like a sword and a belt that was what he had
you would get a sword and a belt right it was so cool
because you could you'd run it you'd be running by and you see a bunch of normal skeletons
and you'd see one with a sword you'd be like oh dang he's actually stronger than the other ones.
Can I beat him if I can beat him then I get those things
and like I don't know it was just it was very cool.
It was very satisfying. Do you want to something interesting?
I say I'm a fan of the Horizon game.
I haven't played Forbidden West or whatever it's called.
I've only played the previous one and I also haven't beat it.
Oh, so wait, which one did you play? I really enjoyed the amount of the game that I played.
Which one did you play? Just that one. Which one? Horizon Zero Dawn.
Oh Zero Dawn. Oh, really? I just never beat it.
Oh, I really enjoy the amount that I played and then I had to give the PlayStation back to work.
I just never. Oh, I see. I was like, I'll play it later and then I never really played it later.
Then it came out on PC and it was just crashing and I was like, I'll play it later.
I still haven't played it. So I've probably played it more than you. At 20% in probably.
Yeah. Okay. Because I played the first like I got out of the first area.
And then I did like a little bit after that, but it wasn't like a ton.
I found the beginning very fun, but I have probably not gotten to the parts that you've got.
I had a lot of fun in the beginning too.
But one of the things that is bothering me is that in the very very beginning you fall into this cave
and there's these like voice recordings that are like, holy crap.
I'm in this dystopian future and like was this like a weird cult or something?
I am now 12 hours in and I haven't revisited that.
Oh, okay. I assumed the storyline went back there.
Well, I'm sure it does. Okay at some point.
Yeah, just not like Assassin's Creed does that a lot too.
Assassin's Creed will be like you're in the you're in like the the current year timeline.
If you like a few things and then you go into some ancient timeline,
you'd never really come back into like the very very end of the game for one very short mission.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. And then it's just over.
It's like what the more recent games have kind of given up on that a little bit more.
But apparently Forbidden West fixes a lot of those things.
Oh, yeah, that's another one. I've seen so many complaints that the melee combat in zero
and Zero Dawn is terrible.
And here's a terrible thing about it. Apparently you never change your weapon.
You just start with a spear and then you can just put like boosters on it and that's it.
You'll you'll you'll you'll you can use any weapon you want as long as it's the spear you started with like,
okay, I really yeah, I found the progression to be a little not great.
I remember that I really liked the world building.
And the environments and the and the story that was presented to me at the time and beautiful.
Oh, yeah, absolutely gorgeous at 720p this big but but it's beautiful.
Yeah, and that's the thing is in Breath of the Wild.
Okay, Horizon Zero Dawn you get like these maybe a 30% boost to your damage
or whatever with one of these things,
but if you don't hit the enemy in exactly the right spot 30% boost on three damage is for damage.
Like it's not helpful if you're hitting them in the armor,
whereas in Breath of the Wild once you get late-game weapons,
you can just walk and if a bokoblin or however you pronounce that that bokoblin,
I don't even know it doesn't matter the point is if they walk up to you just like donk them
and it does barely even any you know endurance damage to your weapon
and you can you can dispatch them and move along like you can move.
I don't I don't like just not being able to move around freely through areas that I have already cleared
and I get that the hunting element is a big part of the game like
like being a becoming a skilled Hunter or whatever,
but I don't want to have to be a skilled Hunter to just there's ways that you get around that
because they could like I don't know that we're getting into like game development stuff,
but there could be like a natural fear because you're you're a predator,
right? So like the the lower level the robot animal things could start to fear you
and just run away naturally so you can travel. Yeah, they do that in what you might call it.
That's really really bland RPG that I just played on switch briefly default to yeah,
they like once you've defeated a certain amount or whatever they just start fleeing
and then what's great is you can you can like sheepdog like kind of heard them into a corner.
This was this was one of my favorite things to do was I would I would like take an area
where they're all kind of wandering around on the overworld
and then I would like get them all into this like one corner
and then I would I would throw back one of the like attractor things
and then you chain fights in that game if they're all within range of you.
Okay, so you would do I would do I think my record was like eight or nine or something like that.
Was it over? Did I break 10? I can't remember.
So I did so many fights in a row and there's this multiplier.
I think it maxes out at 3x.
Don't quote me on this but I was I it's a game that is designed to be broken.
So that was the part that the story was utterly just just disposable.
It was bland completely bland characters had like kind of a little bit of personality,
but overall just not not that well done.
It's one of those games where it's like you what you think throughout the game is like completely like,
oh boy big plot twists and whatever.
But what I enjoyed was the tinkering like that kind of playing around
and like maxing out my jobs on my characters and stuff like that.
And I forget where I was going with this.
But basically they yes, they could have an mechanic like that,
but it doesn't need to be there or I don't know.
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Oh, oh, oh.
I think we should talk about these.
How interesting.
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The tech industry responds en masse to Russia's invasion.
Should we go through this?
Yeah.
On Monday, Twitter added labels to tweets by Russian state media
and has paused ads and recommendations features in Russia and Ukraine.
Microsoft is helping Ukraine defend against cyber attacks.
They've removed RT, Sputnik, etc. from the Windows store and their Start platform.
I don't even know what that is.
And today they suspended sales of hardware and software in Russia.
Also today, both Intel and AMD announced they have halted all chip sales in Russia and Belarus.
YouTube followed meta in pausing monetization for Russian affiliated media channels last week.
Videos from blocked channels will appear less often in recommendations
and following a request from Ukraine, RT and other channels are no longer accessible in the country.
Apple halted sales, pulled Russian state media apps from the App Store
and disabled traffic reports on Apple Maps in Ukraine to deter tracking there.
Many game publishers, including EA, CD Projekt Red and others have halted sales in Russia and Belarus.
There are many more examples.
It appears that any company still conducting business as usual with Russia is now the exception, not the norm.
We are no longer working with any Russia or Belarus based entities
and we are not shipping LTT store products to Russia or Belarus.
That was set up earlier this week.
It's not huge, but you know, for our part, we're just kind of looking at it going,
well, it seems like the correct thing to do.
So there you have it.
Something that I feel like a lot of people are getting confused about here
is that just because we're condemning what's going on right now,
this totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine,
doesn't mean that there aren't other horrible things happening in the world
and that we do approve of those things just to be very clear.
And that there hasn't been other horrible things that have happened in the past.
Any violence towards civilians.
You know what, honestly, I'll take it further.
Any violence is, you know, harming another human being.
I don't think there's a major religion on Earth that's like, yeah,
you should definitely harm other human beings.
Like, I'm pretty sure like as a species, we've all kind of agreed for a long time that it's not cool.
But you know, hey, people in power, they do it anyway.
And that sucks. It's kind of where I'm at on that.
Yeah. Yeah, it's been, it's been rough.
The Russian ruble fell 30% in value on Monday.
Apparently hasn't fallen further because MOEX, the Moscow Stock Exchange, has been closed all week.
This is an Anthony Young note.
Notably on Monday, a Ukrainian official sent a letter to ICANN requesting they block Russian domains.
Today they responded that they won't be able to as they have no sanction levying authority,
saying essentially ICANN has been built to ensure that the internet works,
not for its coordination role to be used to stop it from working.
Yep. Russia blocked access to Facebook in the country.
Russia is blocking many Western media-based, Western media-based outlets.
So BBC reporting to using shortwave radio, just like in World War II.
That's hilarious. Elon apparently sent Starlink stuff to Ukraine,
which I thought was not necessarily a huge, you know, starry-eyed fan of Mr. Musk,
but that's a cool move. Good move in a decent amount of places in Ukraine right now.
That's the only form of communications that are reliably working.
He's also made it so that you can use it on like moving vehicles and stuff,
which I do not believe was possible before. Cool.
So that's pretty sweet. There's also been this feud going on between Elon and Roscosmos,
the Russian space agency. There's been a few different things.
There was a threat, more or less, from the Russian space agency saying like,
hey, we could drop the ISS because Russia is generally, they have,
oh, I'm going to say something wrong here. I'm sorry.
But as far as my understanding goes, they are in control of thrust, basically,
keeping it up there. And he was like, if we're no longer able to do this
because of various reasons like sanctions and all this kind of stuff, who's going to?
It'll just drop out of the sky. It might drop in Europe. It might drop in the US.
It doesn't fly over Russia. It's not a problem to us.
And apparently Elon just responded with a SpaceX logo.
And apparently they've already figured out how to just like click in Dragon modules.
There's going to have to be some like adapters made and stuff, but they can do it.
And then there was another thing saying like, oh, well, you're like,
you're not going to be able to get people into space anymore.
Like Russia has always gotten people into space. And that's true.
Generally people have flown on Russian rockets.
And then Elon again was like, we'll do it.
So I think this has been quite beneficial for SpaceX to be completely honest.
True Scott says, Linus, the vast majority of Russians do not appear to be in support of the war,
even a large number in the Russian Army.
So don't hate on Russians. Hate on that bleeped word, Putin.
Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, I have never said hate on Russians.
Yeah. Russians, the people. No problem.
Yeah. The individuals, be they Russian or not,
who are launching missiles at civilians, well, they're monsters.
But unfortunately, we're not in a position to do anything.
The only way that anyone else can put pressure on the Russian government is to put pressure on Russia,
the country, and unfortunately, the Russian citizens are caught in the crossfire here.
So at the end of the day,
the only people who can do anything about the regime that is leading their country are the people who live there.
I can't. Yeah. So that's where we're at.
Yeah. Yep.
It's a you don't you don't hold the people accountable for the leader's actions,
you know. Anyway, in other news,
Nvidia hacked DLSS source code leaked maybe switch to question mark.
Yeah, this is pretty rough. They've now confirmed that they were hacked.
L.A. L.A.P. S.U.S. dollar sign lapses.
I don't know is claiming responsibility. Apparently they made off with one terabyte of data.
Demanding Nvidia releases their drivers as open source and distribute under a FOSS license.
They also want mining limiters turned off.
Of course, if they don't, they've threatened to leak chipset files graphics.
Can I just say I called it? Do you remember?
Do you remember when I was like, hey, the mining limiter,
when there's this many billions with a B, when there's this many billions of dollars at play.
There it's a matter of time until someone gets bribed or something.
Nothing can keep that mining limiter in place.
Yeah, I think this wasn't the exact way that we expected it to happen.
No, it sure is. We also don't know exactly how they you know,
they were hacked. The mechanism could have been social engineering.
We don't know that. Yeah. Anyway, carry on.
Yeah. They also want the mining limiter turned off. If they don't,
they've been threatened to leak chipset files, graphics and silicon info for existing and upcoming GPUs.
They've already leaked some names at a hopper or well known,
but Blackwell is new. TechPowerUp was handed a list of files claiming to be the DLSS source code.
Apparently it looks credible enough. Includes a programming guide document that makes sense of the code.
Data miners found references to NVN2 and NX in the source code.
NVN2 is thought to be the switch graphics API. NX is the switch code name.
It also includes references to T234 and T239 chips,
which are Ampere based SOCs and some of the data goes back as far as 2019,
which is when the switch programmers started. Wow.
Also, yeah, it has now been added to the dock because this happened,
I believe very recently. So I'm actually, I'm happy that it's in the dock.
I'm kind of surprised it's good. It's good that it's in the dock.
It's not good that it happened because doxing, this is the same thing,
like as we were just talking about how you shouldn't be hating on the Russians,
right? Like this is the same thing. Nvidia hackers apparently leaked the credentials for 71,355 employees.
That's not what to do. No. It's not.
What credentials? I'm not 100% sure. Email addresses.
I mean, if they're just Nvidia email addresses, those are easy enough to guess.
It was my understanding before the show that it was like personal information.
If it is just email addresses, that's still, I mean, it's annoying,
but I thought it was like actual personal information.
Nvidia also only has like more like in the neighborhood of 20,000 employees,
according to the Tom's Hardware article about this.
So interesting. I haven't, I mean,
I haven't seen the information myself,
so I don't know what exactly it is.
The hacking group is also asking for a million dollars for access to Nvidia's light hash rate cryptocurrency mining limiter.
So I guess we'll see if anyone pays that. I suspect it's a matter of time before someone does.
What's going to happen? If Nvidia caves, we might see more cyber attacks.
If they don't, how useful could the chipset files and other information be to competing brands?
Oh, very useful. Like the source code for DLSS,
if I'm Nvidia, I'm absolutely quaking in my boots.
They do have a hardware component that makes it more difficult to compete with.
But my,
my belief is that access to the source code for DLSS would give
engineers at competitors like AMD or Intel or even like a Qualcomm,
for example, would give them a lot of hints as to what they need to do in their hardware to utilize this software.
I was going to say, like, even if you don't use, like, say you don't copy paste any part of it,
the ability for that source code to expand your knowledge base is enormous.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, utterly enormous. So this is this is intense.
This is this is one of this is maybe bigger than the twitch leak.
I was going to say this is one of the biggest hits I've like ever seen like this is this is actually crazy.
And a terabyte might not sound like that much if we're talking about,
you know, blu-ray rips a terabyte of code.
There's a lot of code. Is that I don't know that it's all code.
No, we don't know that it's all code. But if it is, that's a that's a lot of codes and enormous.
There's like no way there's a lot of code, but but there's clearly a lot of it in there.
Yeah, and I don't think it's like all videos. So it's got to be just a monstrous amount of data.
This is this is absolutely crazy lapses.
You got to be got to be terrified of them boys then people epic games buys band camp.
This is news. It's weird.
Like why it's really weird. I think that's basically everyone's response to it was like,
huh? What? Yeah, I don't know.
I thought band camp was owned by Apple.
No, that's a different band camp. Oh, that's like band camp the software for making music.
Yeah, there's like other more different band camp.
Yeah independent music platform.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
So you didn't even know what band camp was actually literally more weird twitch chat is half.
Oh, no garage band. Never mind. Never mind garage band is the software half of twitch is like,
what's band camp and the other half is like,
oh, I love band camp. What even is this indie music platform?
Okay, I had yeah, I had no clue band camp is famous for being one of the best platforms
for independent music that provides artists with an average 82% revenue share.
That's pretty cool. Whoa. The rest is split between band camp
and payment processors that doesn't fit with the split that epic games take.
Yeah, that could be interesting. Unlike many other platforms band camp takes 15% by default,
but actually drops their cut once an artist makes over $5,000 annually.
This is to enable artists to make the transition from hobbyist to professional.
That's pretty cool. During the pandemic band camp introduced a program called band camp
Fridays where the company waived its revenue share
for all sales on the platform to artists who were unable to tour.
I haven't heard of these guys, but they sound freaking cool.
Yeah, this is awesome. I love it.
But why in the press release epic states that they have a vision to build out a creator marketplace
ecosystem for content technology games art and music
and more could epic want band camp for their back end and web storefronts
maybe to help improve the awful epic game store.
That's fair. Or could this be related to Unreal Engine's ever-growing presence in Hollywood?
Perhaps epic has much larger media aspirations. Dude,
epic does so much stuff like epic worked on.
I don't remember the name of the system,
but I was watching a video on it recently where there's architects like legitimately using VR
as part of their workflow now. Yeah, you know how like in a lot of different spaces VR
has been used in these like demos.
Yeah. Yeah, but it wasn't like it was mostly to like kind of show off to clients.
Yeah. This is like legitimate use of VR in an architecture space
because they're using Unreal. Oh, I see.
And they're like actually they're there they built some system
where they can import their I don't know what it is CAD
or whatever of these these buildings or these giant spaces
and they're making it so you can walk through them right
because a big problem that they had with the CAD designs on a computer is
when you tried to like enter the building doesn't really feel like you're doing it.
Yeah. So the experience of the architecture was hard to mentally absorb.
Right. Yep. It makes a lot of sense
and you add like new unreal features to it and actually looks really good.
It's like okay, that's pretty cool.
So yeah, I don't know epic like they do a lot of stuff.
They don't just do games. So maybe it makes sense.
Yeah had never heard of bandcamp before apparently it's pretty darn cool.
So sweet Rivian bumps their prices up by 20% people get mad Rivian says never mind.
I saw snazzy was snazzy was all over this super mad to be clear.
I mean, yeah, I'd be mad if you're if you say the price is,
you know, whatever and not that long ago
and you go on a big media tour and you say the price is that
and you have everybody saying what a great deal your truck is
and then you Jack up the price by 20%
because a deposit for a reservation is not a down payment.
It's just a reservation. Yeah, it's a little disingenuous.
I guess would be the best word for that.
This is yet another reminder of why you shouldn't pre-order did people people have reservations for Cybertruck,
right? It doesn't think I think so.
I think he does. That's a thing right? I think so.
Was F-150 lightning even announced when that reservation went in?
I don't know. It's like out now.
It's yeah. Yeah, you can buy one assuming you can find one in stock.
Theoretically you can buy one. It's a bit of a problem.
Doug DeMuro called it out in his review.
The truck is way too cheap. Oh, that's interesting.
Okay. What else we got here?
So this wasn't just new orders. The price hike included all current reservation holders.
Yep. News came alongside announcement of a dual motor all-wheel drive variant of the R1S SUV and R1T pickup trucks.
Rivian basically blamed it on inflationary pressures increasing component costs unprecedented supply chain shortages and delays,
which is fair enough. Customers were peeved began canceling their pre-orders and droves
and they rolled back the price hike on pre-orders as of March 1st
and are offering customers who canceled their pre-orders the ability to reinstate them.
So that's good. There's a discussion question saying will Rivian be able to build back consumer trust after trying to pull this charade?
Yeah, probably. They said never mind.
Yeah, and if the product is ultimately great,
then I feel like I mean,
okay, I shouldn't say this because I don't really understand truck buyers very well.
Like I'm not it's a hard mindset for me to put myself in as someone who doesn't own a truck and will never own a truck.
I just don't really get it.
So maybe maybe you guys just need to tell us will will Rivian get your trust back?
Like as someone who doesn't have a pre-order in I'm not that mad.
If I had a period and I'd have been pretty mad. The reason why I think I the reason why I said that I believe it'll be okay.
Is because the sentiment that I've seen online so far is kind of like,
okay, like people were super angry and then they said oh never mind.
You're fine. And if you cancel the order,
you can reinstate it and you'll still be fine. We'll honor your previous price.
Everything's okay. And then the whole internet kind of went.
All right on to the next thing like the amount of care doesn't seem to be super strong anymore.
So I think they kind of clawed that back probably fine.
So yeah, I wasn't mad because I don't have one but I also don't have one because I just like,
you're not going to pre-order. I'm not yeah,
I'm not going to I don't put down deposits for vehicles that don't exist yet.
That's not going to be a thing that sounds like a pretty good way to go.
Well, I mean the flip side of it is that if I'm like a snazzy or something like that,
I saw a tweet from him like a while back saying that I think it was his model 3 like paid for itself in the videos.
He did about it or like almost did or something like that.
Yeah, so I could see why he might you know,
put in an order and be mad if it's going to cost 20 grand more than he expected.
That's course gosh darn it. That's another video.
He's going to happen. I don't know if he's making 20 grand on a single video.
Probably not but I don't know like car content would help if you join floatplane finally.
Yeah, maybe car content apparently drives like massive massive CPMs for some people.
We haven't seen it. So I don't really get it.
But I've heard from other car creators that car videos are just like stonks CPMs.
I feel like you'd have to do it more often. Yeah, maybe maybe I don't know.
Maybe we're just too like pigeonholed into the tech niche.
Yeah. The newest crypto is Ruby.
That's funny. Do you have anything else?
Do we do merch messages? Yeah, we should do them.
Now's your last chance to get in a merch message.
If it doesn't come in like real soon, we're not going to do it.
Nick says looking forward to reading the ABCs of gaming with my daughter.
What are your thoughts on S.A.M. on RX series AMD GPUs?
I just got it running and I'm unsure if it helps with my FPS.
Does it depend on the game? S.A.M. This is a thing I'm not familiar with yet.
One moment, please. S.A.M. Oh smart access memory.
That's right. It makes a small difference.
There you go. And yes, it is heavily game dependent.
Archive, Josiah, what do you think of the ASRock server motherboards that take consumer grade CPU's?
I think it can make a ton of sense as long as you don't need features that are specific to server grade CPU's.
Like say, for example, support for much greater amounts of memory and whatnot.
It's like a huge differentiator, right?
Michael, will you be testing the steam deck with an external USB-C hub that supports both power delivery and holds an NVMe?
I haven't yet. I have tested it with hubs that have, you know, USB and Ethernet and power in and it works with those.
But I haven't tested it with one like that. That does sound pretty cool.
Cheaper 2280 NVMe, still able to plug in and 3D print a holder so it would clip onto the deck. Seems like a cheaper option to add more storage with power delivery.
Yeah, that's that's a pretty cool use case. Why don't you make a video about it?
Huh? I'll shout it out on Wancho. Dawson, if you did a budget build, a thousand US dollars is the budget rig right now.
Would you recommend the same things you did on your most recent budget build or would you make any changes?
Okay, so GPU prices seem to be falling. A little bit, yeah.
Arc, theoretically, should be showing up imminently. I would say, hold on a second.
I know, I know, normally I say buy what you can afford at the time when you have the budget and enjoy it and don't, don't look back, don't look forward.
Just, you know, focus on the now and enjoy yourself. But that is not the case today.
Today, I am going to say I would wait a little bit. I would hold off, particularly on a GPU.
Nick, how many cable ties do I need to buy to get a water-cooled Steam Deck video?
I mean, it's honestly, I think someone smaller and more agile than us is going to end up doing it first.
We've got so much stuff in the queue right now. I just don't see how we're going to be first to market on that one.
Anonymous, Linus or Luke, what are your thoughts on Pokemon or slash did you grow up with it?
I'll let you handle this one. We both did, didn't we?
I played like Pokemon Blue. I didn't watch the show. Did you play, did you do anything with cards?
Nope. What are your thoughts on Pokemon as a parent?
I think that as long as my kids don't waste too much money on it, it's fine.
They like sorting their little cards and trading them with their friends.
I have only taken the Pokemon cards away from them twice and both times it was because they were,
once they were fighting about them and another time one of the cousins was over and made an unfavorable trade evidently
and was really upset about it and I was like, look, if it's a game where not everyone is having fun, is it a good game?
No. Okay. Pokemon cards away. I don't want to see them for the rest of the weekend.
So that was, that's about it. That's my, that's my parent stance on Pokemon cards.
As long as I don't fight about them, I don't give two hoots.
I liked it a lot. I'm honestly, I'm going to put a hot take out there. I'm very disappointed with modern Pokemon games,
like deeply disappointed and I think they should like be ashamed, like genuinely.
I think it's, I think they have done nothing with one of the best IPs that has ever been made.
The games have really not evolved much further than they have been in the past.
People have made third party games that are knockoffs of the Pokemon IP,
in some cases just straight up doing it,
knowing that they're like pirating the IP that have been hugely successful and then crushed because they're stealing the IP, obviously.
But it was hugely successful and the whole fan base that was playing it was like, yes,
finally a Pokemon game that isn't red and blue version 82. This is great.
And then they just close it down and they make red and blue version 83.
And it's really lame. Do something with your darn IP.
Arceus or whatever it's called. I haven't even played it.
I've heard from a lot of people that it is a fantastic game
if you've never played open world games before.
And if you've ever played an open world game before, it's terrible and I'm not surprised.
It also looks like it's 10 years old. What are you doing?
Right. Stop. Make something cool.
That's fair. Like think about the amount of money that Pokemon Go has made.
Yeah. Has the feature set really evolved as much as it should have?
Evolved. I like it. No, it hasn't.
Okay, stop it. Anyways. Or better yet, don't stop it.
Yeah. Bryson, what are your thoughts on Bungie threatening to ban Destiny 2 players?
Okay, sorry, one sec. Legends Arceus is actually a huge change to the classic formula.
Yes, you're right. Finally. That should have happened like a decade ago.
Don't kid yourself. Also, it's not enough. Sorry. Let's keep going.
I saw a tweet earlier that we should do an LTT store oven mitt for our hot takes.
I think that's a great idea. That'd be great.
So, thoughts on Bungie threatening to ban Destiny 2 players for trying to play the game on Steam Deck.
So, it is ironic to me for a game developer, and the keyword is developer, to be so closed-minded,
to have what almost feels like a kind of irrational normie fear of Linux and Linux users.
That's my perception of this. I haven't dove into it enough.
Is it just like an anti-cheat thing? Yeah, it's an anti-cheat thing.
So, I feel like there's this perception that if we try to support Linux, it will open the door to more cheating, is sort of my guess.
And on the one hand, that is sort of fair enough.
Every platform that you have to support with your anti-cheat is another bunch of mitigations that you now have to deal with.
But I also feel like there's just kind of an unwillingness to tackle this that this is stemming from,
as opposed to an actual rational analysis of the reality that we're living in.
I think it's a not good look for a company that just got acquired in this battle that's going on between Sony and Microsoft.
Toxic Mantis says they will ban users who try to bypass anti-cheat.
Anyone on Steam Deck will get put back in their game library.
So, guys, maybe get us a little bit of clarification on that one in the chat.
Sorry, guys, we don't have a ton of detail on this because it's just like a merch message that someone sent.
So, two things from fullplane chat.
One person said Pokemon goes money mostly goes to Nantic, not the Pokemon company.
Yeah, and then I think they haven't done enough with it.
I don't care who's behind it. And the Pokemon company has plenty of money.
Yes, they literally print it.
Yeah, if you could have, okay, if you could have a machine that prints dollar bills,
or if you could have a machine that prints Pokemon cards, which would you take?
Oh, the Pokemon.
Obviously.
Yeah, like it's worth more than a dollar bill.
It's actually a money printing machine.
There's also another person that said Lapsys has another data leak from Samsung,
apparently 190 gigabytes, including stuff to unlock the bootloaders.
Oh, wow. Whoo. Spicy.
That group is going nuts.
This is this is going to go down in history.
Wow. Oh, wow.
Apparently Bungie's anti-cheat and filters ban people for using utilities and like hardware monitoring software and stuff.
Wow, that's pretty stupid.
Okay, Michael B. Steam Deck looks sick.
I put in my reservation for one.
Do you think the Steam Deck will get support for Windows 10 and 11?
Yes, it will.
Anonymous, I love all the products you guys develop.
I know you get a lot of questions about upcoming merch that people want to see.
My question is, are there any products you have already looked into in the past,
but can 100% confirm you will never offer in the store?
Huh. A product we will never offer.
Um. No.
Why would you commit to something like that?
Yeah, I don't think there's anything that we've confirmed.
I mean, there's stuff we will probably never offer.
I don't think we have industrial fishing boats.
Yeah, I don't think we can contribute a whole lot to the fashion jewelry industry.
I don't know if I'd say that. That might happen.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, hard to say.
I mean, we don't want to, yeah, we don't want to close the door on anything.
We want to, we want to keep exploring new ideas.
So someone in chat has challenged me. Thanks, Twitch chat never change.
Someone in chat has challenged me on my Pokemon Go innovation thing.
I have a really easy example, just literally off the top of my head.
They've based all the nodes in Pokemon Go off of,
is Niantic the name of the company?
What is the name of the original game that they made that I played a billion years ago?
I'm trying to find it. Why can I not remember that? Ingress.
Oh, right. All the nodes are based off Ingress.
This was, this was like, I remember when Pokemon Go first came out,
I did like no research on it. I saw it on my phone.
I went for a hike because I was like,
I want to find like Geodude because Geodude's one of my favorite Pokemon.
So I'm going to go for a hike.
I found like three Pokemon on the entire hike
and then figured out that you're supposed to go to like McDonald's
because that's where the freaking things are.
I'm like this doesn't make any sense for the Pokemon universe.
For on launch, sure, that kind of makes sense.
The fact that it's still based on Ingress nodes at this point,
or at least most of them are, I haven't been keeping up with it, is crazy.
How is it not based on trails and parks
and like all the stuff that Pokemon is supposed to be freaking based on
if you play the games this whole time?
It makes no sense and it sucks and that is so solvable, dude.
They made so much money.
You should be mad.
If you're a fan, you should be mad.
I play Pokemon Go with my family.
We play like every summer, like kind of quit in the winters
then when it's like good weather to go walk around, we all play together.
And I like it for that.
It's cool.
It's also nowhere near where it should be.
That's fair.
Okay.
That's fair.
Sorry.
Glad you're enjoying your expensive edition pillow, Stervil.
And Uber Fuzzy says he did say never children's clothing because regulations.
No, I said not children's clothing now because we're not insured for it.
That's where I'm at on that.
Mr. Mineheads says condoms question mark.
It is very unlikely that we would do anything that has that kind of liability.
Yeah, there's got to be intense liability with that.
Or maybe there isn't.
I mean if you just say like hey, it's not a hundred percent then.
Well, I guess you're the guess you're the unlucky one.
Got him.
Everyone hundredth one has a hole poked through it.
Kyle says if color accuracy of monitors drift over time do camera sensors too.
Can you color calibrate a camera sensor?
Yes, and yes.
If for in general, it's not really necessary but for scientific use absolutely you would need to you would need to calibrate any kind of sensor.
Ace a Linus.
I've been wanting to ask you about your raccoon story since in an earlier stream pre-wan show with the one true Jake.
What is it was your story with raccoons?
Oh crap. What is my raccoon story?
I don't remember.
Your raccoon story.
I'm sorry.
I don't remember.
I do remember saying I was going to tell a raccoon story,
but I don't remember the context of what we were talking about.
Yeah, I don't know and I don't remember the story.
I like I can't even give you any context clues because I don't remember either.
I don't remember what it had to do with at all.
Huh? All right.
Oh, I'm sorry guys.
Ryan says hey Linus and Luke.
What's to what to what would be the feature you're each most excited about for the upcoming LTT backup.
I'm assuming means backpack.
Oh backpack most excited about I don't know.
The Backup is your shirt.
Are you sure?
I don't know.
Well, I like if we if we stick with backup,
what does that mean? I don't know.
I'm not sure that's why it is.
Well, we're working on that data restoration thing from the vault with what feature you most excited about for now.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's why that's the that's all I had.
Well, you haven't responded to that email by the way.
I know I know I'm way behind on my emails.
I like that the size is right can fit a ton of stuff in it,
but it's like perfectly fits under an airline seat which I benchmarked on my last flight.
Yeah, it's great that that I think would probably it still fits a ton of stuff
but isn't as ginormous as my current bag would probably be a big benefit for it as well because I yeah,
like if I go on a plane with my current bag,
there's no way it doesn't even remotely fit under the seat.
It has to go in overhead compartment with everyone else's like full luggage, right?
Yeah, so I don't know.
Oh someone asked something that I thought was a good question.
How's the vault going? Vault restoration is actually going really well.
Wendell's helping so you know that that's like OP.
Garrett says I love the neon design.
How do you think Steam Deck will affect the desktop Linux market share in general?
Oh a lot.
I think a lot of gamers are going to run Steam OS like 100%.
I think basically every other gaming distro.
See you later, buddy. Are you going to do any content on running it on a standard desktop instead of a Steam Deck?
I think that what I'm actually more tempted to do is run it on something like an Ioneo.
Like I want to run it on competing handhelds because even though the current Ioneo is not is not competitive with the Steam Deck
in terms of price to performance.
I think that smaller companies like a GPD or like Aya like 1x player.
I think that those guys are probably going to iterate faster
and like PCs to consoles a console like a Steam Deck might come out
and be the king for price to performance
and PCs might start to make up ground while a console has this longer development cycle.
So I'd be really interested to see what it's like to run Steam Deck software on one of these other consoles
and the fact that Valve is being so open about everything is so cool.
I mean, I shouldn't say it's that cool like they profit from it either way,
but it's cool that unlike the other companies that profit from you buying games either way.
They're being sensible about it. That's cool.
I'm reading in full paintjet that potentially Wendell is running Steam OS.
That's cool. Wendell runs like everything,
but that's cool. I think that's the kind of thing that Wendell would do,
but I don't think it's like ready to freaking rock for just your average user yet.
That's my understanding of its current status.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Wendell's also like OS agnostic.
So he's probably just checking out because he's interested.
Yeah, it's Team OS Xbox. How cool would that be? Chris says,
Hey guys, been watching since the Langley house days. Keep up the excellent work.
I just picked up a pair of bone conduction headphones and I've been enjoying them.
Just curious what your opinions are.
Everyone that I've tried doesn't sound good enough for me to be willing to accept the trade-off.
I think Conrad runs them. Really? Conrad, if you're in chat,
I think you do. H. Kristoff.
I'm talking about Wendell from Level One Techs.
Gregory, buying gift cards for the future backpack release.
Okay. All right. Is there a spot for an AirTag
and maybe a Lambo pink interior color in the future?
I don't think we have an AirTag spot,
but we probably should. AirTag spot for backpack.
The second part of his question is, also Luke,
have you ever considered allowing musicians to use full plane as an online ticketed concert streaming service?
They could. Right now we have garbage time on the platform who is extremely entertaining.
I mostly unfortunately have to watch his vods because I can't always watch his streams
because they happened like right in the middle of my work day and I usually can't do that.
But it's fantastic and his whole channel is like exclusively music.
So yeah, why not? Jacob,
I believe Alex is planning to cover the Kia EV6.
Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure he is. Christopher.
Been a fan since OG Kitchen. Love you guys. Question.
Do you ever think certain components will be fast enough?
Will there be a time when the focus will be on size and power only,
not raw performance being the leading stat for consumer gear?
I mean, I think that happened already. Look at phones.
Definitely has. Right? Like that was that shift from computing needing to be about go faster,
faster, faster, faster, faster to, okay, this is good enough.
Laptops, tablets, phones, actually went laptops,
phones, tablets, but whatever, that's not the point.
Yeah, I think it already happened. Because you have to consider various use cases, right?
So the like internet browser, music player, email or word editing use case that a lot of people have.
Picture editing, very basic video editing,
that kind of stuff is coverable by relatively low end hardware at this point.
Yeah. And a lot of people are only doing that.
Once you end, once you bring high end stuff into it,
whether it's like high end video editing or gaming or whatever else,
that's where your top end kind of blows up.
And Gadget says that if you try to run Destiny 2 on the Steam Deck,
you could get banned. But ban those players who try to circumvent the restriction.
Okay, so maybe you have to actually try to circumvent the restriction?
I'm not sure. Seems pretty brutal to just outright ban anyone that tries to launch it.
But then it's also might be hard for them to tell the difference between someone
who's just trying to launch it on Steam. I don't know.
I don't know enough about anti-cheat to speak authoritatively.
So I'm just going to not talk about it. Pirate or Ninja asks Paul H.
I'm going to go Ninja. All right. Thanks for the order. Andrew says hi Linus.
Thanks for the great merch. Hey, no problem.
Do you think shelling out $200 plus is worth it for a Thunderbolt 4 dock?
Well, if you need a Thunderbolt dock, that's pretty much what they cost.
I run dual external monitors with my XPS 15,
and I'm plugging two USB-C dongles and a C charger is a pain. Have a great show.
So I mean, yeah, it just comes down to how much is that one cable solution worth to you?
It's certainly convenient. Thunderbolt's amazing.
But I think a lot of people would say, yeah, two cables is fine.
And a dongle. Jeff says got my first LTT underwear last week.
They ain't cheap, but dang, they're good. Question.
When Windows 11 got two more packs. Nice. We see so we see that so often.
One pack, two more packs,
because that's the right amount for a full week and then a little bit of a buffer.
Yeah. When Windows 11 came out,
I heard it was not good for gaming. Needed optimization, bug fixing, whatever.
How has that evolved? My understanding is it's in pretty reasonable shape now,
but it's still early in the Windows 11 life cycle,
and there's nothing wrong with sticking with Windows 10 for the time being.
I have a little bit of interesting Windows 11 news.
Yeah. Mr. Sam, I got your message.
People have gotten around the requirement to log into an account thing.
Really? I don't think I should say how.
Because I had a super annoying experience today. I installed Windows 11 on Sarah's machine.
Not only did it require me to log into an account,
but before we were connected to the internet and Wi-Fi drivers weren't included with Windows conveniently.
So I had to go get a switch. I called this out on WAN.
There was no way to... I called this out on WAN. I was so mad.
Yeah. Windows is terrible with that.
So it's just going to be a problem. Yeah.
So I don't think I want to call it out because I don't want them to fix it.
Oh, I see. They're just going to fix it anyway.
Okay. I don't know the exact mechanism for doing it, but there's a thing where you go in purposefully with no internet,
and then you do a command line thing to tell the computer to force it to think something's going on,
and then you can get through.
That's so annoying. Jacob says,
Luke, what are some tech companies that you would consider developing for if you were not at LMG?
I just got my CS degree in December and looking for interesting new places to apply.
Keep up the good work. Bought an expensive edition pillow.
Dang. Celebrating the new job before you got it.
Enjoy the pillow. I have no idea.
Come on. You can be a little more imaginative than that.
I have suggested to people that are Canadians to apply at Shopify.
I know two different people that work there,
and they have personally told me that they have had very good experiences.
So I don't know. But yeah, I haven't looked in a long time.
So I don't know. My aspirations when I was growing up was to be a part of a game development studio.
Sounds awful these days.
Yeah. And the one that I wanted to join has been really terrible.
So I don't know, dude. And I know that's like an annoying answer, but I'm not sure.
I'd I would knowing better understanding my personality as I'd grown up as I've grown up.
I would probably try to find some small team that was making something new and like really different.
Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of that and you can genuinely find those things.
There's tons of startups out there. So I would probably do that type of stuff.
I actually man. I really love the more doing things the old way projects these days.
And I think that's just because I'm like getting old. There's a game that I saw that I'm really excited about.
I haven't researched it nearly enough. So, you know, maybe my excitement is totally unjustified.
But here I'll bring it up and I'll show it to you. Oh, it's called Sea of Stars and it looks amazing.
Someone in chat said lo I'm glad you didn't work for Blizzard. That's funny.
I was actually talking about another become. Oh, I thought you were talking about Blizzard.
Oh, right. Right. Right. Elder Scrolls fanboy. Yeah. Until it went. What? Yeah.
Stars, you said? Yeah. The art style just looks so beautiful.
And like, it looks amazing. I do like the art.
It's a retro inspired turn based RPG. Very Chrono Trigger inspired. I jump on this in a heartbeat.
Yeah, it looks awesome. It does.
I really enjoyed cross code, which is another sort of similar thing where it's modern gaming advancements applied to a more retro aesthetic.
Really, really enjoyed it. I really once I scroll down, I saw the playable characters.
I really like that art. That's fantastic. Yeah. So I'm super excited for that.
It's like no, no, it's still in development right now.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll I've got it in my in my stuff. I want to do Trello spots.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm very businessy apparently. Liz says hopefully getting my steam deck next week.
What's the best game you've played on the deck so far?
Well, that's the great thing about the deck is that the games are as good as the games are.
The deck doesn't determine what games you can.
I mean, it does, you know, from a compatibility standpoint,
but any game that will run on the deck should theoretically be a pretty darn good experience on the deck.
If I could add some thing potentially, what is the best experience deck wise you've had so far?
Because you mentioned there was problems with Horizon Zero Dawn.
I'm still really enjoying it. Okay. Yeah, that's the game.
I've put the most hours into on the deck for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, I'd say I'm I'm I'm really enjoying it.
I mean the fact that it runs at all is such a computing miracle to me that I sort of forgive the crashes.
I'm an atypical consumer in that sense. Sure.
Yeah. Christopher says my wife would like to know why there isn't any branding
or design on the women's clothing since that's what she would like to purchase.
I had a really interesting debate conversation.
I don't know what to call it with the ladies in the Creator Warehouse team
when we had our merch meeting this week where... My girlfriend was pretty surprised by that too.
I'm sorry? My girlfriend was pretty surprised by that too.
Okay. So what I said was I was I was also surprised
because I did not know about our first few women's apparel projects until they literally landed in our office.
Oh. I was not aware of them at all.
And it was not my expectation that they would be the things that they were.
I did not know that they were in development.
And the problem here is that as not a woman,
I'm not really, you know, I don't want to mansplain what women want, right?
But as someone who has had my fingers on the pulse of this community for 13 years,
I feel like I know what our audience is asking for.
I know what my woman is asking for.
And what Yvonne wants is what I have but fits her.
Yeah. And that was what I was expecting.
And I feel like what we did instead was equally valid.
We tried to make like good as heck the thing that is like trendy right now and popular.
And so I feel like those are two very valid approaches.
And I feel like, and this is kind of what I said during the meeting,
is I feel like we might have subverted the expectations of many of our viewers
and we might have made something for our customer that we haven't really figured out a business model to address yet.
Because in my mind, that's the customer buying just high quality,
like trendy merch from us for a female like doing that is a different customer from who we might want to address first,
which would be viewers of LTT who have been looking at the male merch for so long going,
yeah, I'd really just like one of those but I was expecting and SOs.
Yeah, I was expecting like couples photos level stuff,
you know, it's the same thing, but it fits us both properly.
And to be clear, when I said my girlfriend was wondering about that too,
she wasn't like, why isn't it there? I wish it was there.
Yeah, I was just surprised.
Yeah, and Yvonne was the same way.
And one in particular that Yvonne's really jazzed about is that that 3D printed like liner jacket
that I've been wearing the early samples of for the last like few months.
She's like, yeah, I want one of those.
And the design that I, the initial design that I got from the merch team was like a women's style jacket.
And I told Yvonne that she was like, oh, because she just wants the one that I have but like fitted.
And so I think there's two sort of very different sort of camps here.
And I feel like what we need to do is we need to figure out what we're,
because at the end of the day, we're going to have to address both.
But we need to figure out our order of operations here.
And it's hard because you also don't want like 10 billion skews and things get difficult.
Yeah. And like we had this interesting debate around what is a standard sweatpant, right?
So my understanding was, well, it would be not low rise and not high waist.
It would be like the middle. And they're like, well, it doesn't really work that way.
Because particularly in women's fashion, it is like, this will be the standard.
And then this one is the standard. And then this one is the standard. And it's like cyclical like that.
Yeah. And then my response to that, well, it was like, well, yeah, but is it sort of a self-perpetual,
is it a perpetual motion machine? Does everyone buy this? And then everyone makes only this.
And then that's the only thing you can buy. Because that's one of the things that Yvonne talks about a lot,
is how difficult it is for her to buy clothing because her tastes are her tastes.
And she doesn't care what's trendy. Do you remember empire waist, like tops?
They look like maternity clothes. I remember Empire.
I remember them saying basically they were like they had like a bust here and then they were tight around here and then flowy.
I remember the yeah. Yeah. So for a period of like four years, Yvonne couldn't buy a shirt that fit her.
And it was just stupid, right? I did not like those. I was like one of my least favorite periods.
And yeah, anyways. Yeah. Anyway, the point the point is that, you know, what I was trying to say was,
well, maybe there's maybe there's another way of maybe we could just make the standard one.
And then it's like, well, hold on a second. You can't use the word standard. I'm like, that's totally fair.
Who decides who the standard one is? Am I mansplaining women's fashion?
Right. So I'm just kind of sitting here going, I don't know what the answer is.
Actually, I do know what the answer is. The answer is, as the only other person in this building who actually signs checks,
I think Yvonne is going to work with the merge team and talk to them about the women's stuff.
Because what I think she brings to the table is that understanding of our community.
And yeah, that totally makes sense. Even if she's not the be all and end all of our customers,
I think she she understands our community and she at least buys women's clothing.
Whereas I don't like, that's another thing, too, is I feel like we have to kind of speak to the the the 98% of you who are supposedly male,
according to YouTube's internal stats that they provide us,
who might be buying something for an SO and choosing something to,
you know, do like a couple's matching thing or whatever the case may be.
So that's kind of where I'm at. Danger panic says, excuse me.
But Yvonne absolutely is the be all and end all. Thank you very much.
Not really. I mean, we do need to address her, but she's sort of got an unusual figure and is,
you know, a millennial like me, not exactly, you know, a young kid anymore with the trendiest taste, right?
Like Yvonne and I both understand that we're not the be all and end all. A lot of the time when I give feedback,
it's really around fit. It's around quality. It's around comfort.
I a lot of the time I'll say, look, I like that color, but ultimately I leave this to you guys, right?
Like I you got to let experts be experts. Yeah.
And so that's where I just how what am I how am I supposed to comment on the fit of a women's garment?
What do I know? I might have wide childbearing hips, but I certainly don't have breasts, right?
So it's tough. Yeah. All right.
I can say she has an unusual figure on broadcast.
I mean, I think that those two roast each other before I have watch the I don't even mean it as a roast.
I think she's got especially for a mother of three. She's rocking.
So like that's pretty unusual. I'm just saying like if that fazed you go watch the rest.
No kidding. I think it's pretty unusual to be 35 with three kids and looking like that.
I'll say that much. All right. And I think that's pretty much it for the land show today.
We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Same bad channel.
Bye.