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We've been doing that for a little while now people seem to appreciate it news of Intel's 10th gen desktop CPUs
Sticking with 14 nanometer process. It's gonna be code named Comet Lake s which I think has been kind of leaked around a little bit
Already, it's gonna be up to ten physical cores up from eight on the current gen flagship
I nine ninety nine hundred K, which I'm happy. I'm never gonna have to say again
And it looks like you might need an upgrade to your motherboard because it's gonna need more power more and more TDP
Increasing to around 125 watts on the top end
It's expected to be called LGA 1200
What do you think it's another new socket already so many sockets. We've had so many sockets
like I mean, come on, it's just
Yeah, I think like it's getting to the point where if you lined up on a wall all of your like Intel sockets from the
Beginning just the amount that you would have would actually be ridiculous
We've you tried to have like a collection of all them
Like there's a Chinese boards that you could get that would work with like they were like old z170 and it worked fine with like
The 9700 K maybe I'm misremembering. I
Yeah, there's there's some there's some there's been some funky stuff like that a few separate times actually
I enjoy those types of things
My favorite stuff is when they do that kind of I know it's not the exact same thing
But when they do that kind of stuff with graphics cards
Well, they're like, oh it's not supposed to work this way or like here's two different to do the totally different graphics cards
we're gonna sell them to you a totally different price points and people are like
I just make the lower end one better. Don't worry about it
I don't know the the latest leaks adding the latest like desktop 10 core like mainstream leaks
Onto like all of the other 10 core leaks plus the actual like 10 core launches
Every but they're calling everything 10th gen but like there's two different laptop parts
And then we've got the high-end desktop stuff coming
Probably before this stuff in 2020 and the high-end desktop stuff is gonna be on x299
So we'll probably keep that socket. Maybe at least that was the update a couple of days ago
that's linked in the bottom of the the Tom's Hardware article, but like
These are all different like it's a big deal to port the memory controller the LPDDR 4x memory controller
Like it's a big deal to port that from the newer process to the older process CPUs and Intel's telling their investors like no
No, we're shipping 10th, you know, you know the 10th generation mobile CPUs on the new process
Everything is fine and then stuff like this comes out and it's like well those aren't gonna be on the new process
Come on
Yeah, the Tom's article is actually pretty good
I like that they laid everything out here as well going all the way back to Skylake
That was pretty nice. So you can see from Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake refresh and Comet Lake
Yeah, love that little refresh in there
It's been kind of interesting how max TDP on this side has been going up consistently. Yeah
Well, and it's also all lies because like yeah, nobody is using a 9900k at completely stock settings. I mean, that's just crazy
Why why it's it's does it hurt you when people get unlocked processors and then don't do anything with them?
I mean, it's to the point where like all the motherboard manufacturers have it as like one option like multi-core enhancement
Like you just turn that on and you get free performance. Like, well, how would you not do that?
Yeah, and it's like actually pretty good these days
I remember when they first started doing those auto overclocking things. Some of them were kind of junk, but now they're
Actually quite decent at overclocking your CPU. So it's like yeah doing it manual is more fun. But if you don't want to
Press press the button. Hooray
Really really simple really really simple performance and that's what they're they're they're doing it for you at the factory now too with the
Ks, which should be out in a couple of months
So that'll be fun five gigahertz all core out of the box. Dang. That's actually pretty crazy. I know
I think the the the hardest sell here right now is that Intel is not winning like anything in the PR realm at the moment
Everybody's rah rah AMD as far as I can really tell it's it's it's hard for Intel to
Stay on their feet PR wise in the in the CPU section at this exact point in time
So coming out and telling everyone that they're gonna have to upgrade their motherboards is a little scary
I realized that they they can't also not be able to upgrade their motherboards
scary, I realized that they they they can't also not do that because to push this they apparently need more TDP, but like
Yeah
Yeah, Wi-Fi 6 support though. Well, I'm kind of excited for the x299 stuff
Which is probably gonna come out sooner
Because you know, you may have up to 48 PCIe lanes for the leak from that and that kind of stuff
That may be exciting. But here's it like there's there's more than just getting a new motherboard that's disappointing
And one of those things is like memory support
So like the Tom's a hardware article is like all the new x299 CPUs that are 10th gen
Really? I mean are they really 10th gen that are 10th gen are gonna support 256 gigs of memory up from 128
And it's like well not so fast there Tom
it's we're just now getting memory densities that will support 256 gigs like technically Threadripper will only do
128 gigs but then oh wait 32 gig DIMMs. Yeah now they're 256 gigs fine
They're now two and it's not that the hardware changed. It was always there
It's just nobody was making the DIMMs to do that
But if you had like a 79 like a 7960 X you could use registered memory with those like 512 gigabytes of memory was fine
And then Intel got wind of people actually using registered memory on those CP
I mean ECC didn't work, but you can still use it. You still got the capacity
Yeah
They'll got wind of people doing that and they just they just turned it off and they're like no and it's always been like
That I was like no, no, really. I'm running 512 gigs of memory on this on this x99 CPU Intel
That is what you need to stop doing. Yeah, these new processors if somebody wants to run registered memory
Adam
What does it hurt but but our product differentiation Wendell no
Segment we need to slice I you know
Are you gonna have to buy Xeon it's like or the new Mac Pro
It's like you got to buy the new Mac. You want 64 PCIe lanes from Xeon
You gotta buy the Mac Pro because otherwise you're only gonna get like 48
Just put your put your Mac Pro in your server chassis. You don't worry about it. It's fine rack mount it
Are you interested in those at all?
No, I'm suspecting now. Yeah, I didn't think so. I just thought you know, I thought I'd ask
It is really interesting that they didn't change the socket. So
I think they used the quick path lanes like Apple. I think was leaning on Intel. I don't know
There's no this is completely unsubstantiated
But it looked like Intel was kind of leaning on Apple or Apple's leaning on Intel
Yeah, I have 64 PCIe lanes because if you look at the way the PCIe layout is in the new Mac
it's actually kind of interesting and
You know the same server 36 47 socket, you know, where are you gonna get the pins for that?
I think that they reuse the quick path like what you would normally have for the interconnect for a two socket system
I think they recycled those into PCIe lanes because there's a lot of things that they don't have to do
It's because there's legit only enough pins there for 48 PCIe lanes
So they got another you know
A few lanes to take it up to 64 PCIe lanes for Intel not having the capability to do quick pack
Okay, that's actually pretty interesting. I
Could be wrong about that, but that's my suspicion. Yeah
It's really weird too because like these leaks say that the new high-end desktop processors are still gonna be x299
But I figured they would just go ahead. I mean if they're doing the Apple stuff
They just go ahead and do 36 47 on the desktop unless they're having massive production problems and then it's like
Which I think they kind of are so
That's true that's fair. Yeah
Who really knows though?
Okay, I want your thoughts on this one too and we might as well go over this subject where we're changing topics we're gonna talk
about
Study shows that Americans are waiting around three years to replace their phones now
That's the old like standard laptop replacement time that I used to expect from people when I was selling computers when I was a teenager
So that's that's quite a bit up there compared to phones from back in the day
I know for a while there it was relatively common for people swap out their phone every year
And it started creeping up my my kind of goal personally is usually two years. How often do you replace your phone?
Well, probably about every 18 months give or take but I'm physically very hard on
On my phones. I mean, I'm thinking about like the computational horsepower of like the galaxy s8 and
Like using the galaxy s8 today, that's pushing why like two and a half years. That's fine. That's a fuck. I mean
It's totally okay. There's not really like any super compelling features
Of a phone that would make you want to to really switch which is sort of sort of crazy. Oh, I hear a train
Yeah, yeah, the train rips by here once in a while
So 18 months, but you think that's like almost due to physical wear and tear more than yeah
I think the physical wear and tear is is for me
it's more than functionality because
I've got a I've got a burner phone. That's an LG g5 and it's basically okay. I noticed it's a little slow sometimes
Okay. Yeah
Yeah, I think
That's similar to it for me. Do you run cases?
Do you have cases on your phone? I don't remember if you did or not. Yeah, okay
Even with the cases you have a lot of physical wear and tear. Is that from dropping it or is that just from?
Just manhandling your phone using it. Yeah. Yeah, and no matter how careful I am with it
I'll break it like this case isn't super old but like the corners are already really yeah. Yeah, and
I like pocket lint and stuff gets in all the speaker drills and and then people are like, well, I can't
some lint in a tiny microphone hole
There's even for me like I know Ben gate was a long time ago
But I tend to find that after a while most of my devices have some form of curve in them. Yeah, yeah
And they're like even my switch has a little bit of a curve
My my laptop is a little bit of a curve my phone
I think has a little bit of a curve and I'm just like this. I don't know what I do
Whatever it is. I'm slowly killing everything
One of the things that I think that we might see in next-generation phones that people probably would like
Is the ability to use it as more than just a phone like Samsung has their decks stuff that they've had
I think since the S7
It's just USB C and then it you get HDMI and USB peripherals
And so like you can get a little dock and they were like $200
Yeah
They're like $25 and you plug that in and that is actually a reasonable experience at this point
The X on like an s9 a galaxy s9 or the the new s10
Is not unlike a Chromebook and it's not a bad experience
Yeah, it's it's it's kind of interesting that phones are getting that fast and that fluid
And that I guess for probably both of us because I would I would argue more or less the same thing
I'm starting to replace them because
The wear and tear in them is getting relatively high and I could swap the battery and sometimes maybe I do
but
The rest of the wear and tear on the system is so high that it kind of makes sense to replace it every
You said 18 months. I'm gonna go with around two years for myself
And I've even I've adopted a slightly different strategy now, which I've only done once
but I'm planning on doing it this next time around too when the
This is a pixel 2 and I bought it right around when the pixel 3 came out and when the pixel 4 comes out
I'm probably gonna buy a pixel 3
They're quite discounted if I get it fresh out of the box the battery is still pretty good
There's no wear and tear on it and it's just as fast as I needed to be
I'm quite a power user on my phone, but the apps that I use are like the floatplane app
Twitter
Gmail
YouTube
Like I'm not using super high performance applications. I don't really play games on my phone
Other than some Pokemon go but like whatever
I don't know
Phone is like asking it to be a hotspot and then destroying the battery and yes again and then destroying the battery again
Yeah, we're getting three an average of three charge cycles a day
You have me as a hotspot and you're doing something fairly intensive on my system
And you're plugging me in for power at the same time. This is brutal
I'm running at a million degrees right now
Yeah, that's not great. Yeah
But can you imagine if phones are modular?
I love the g5 like the end of it pops off and you can replace the battery and so like I've replaced the battery in it
Like twice and I still use it as a hotspot for the network that it's on and for like that use case
It works. Great. Although one day a couple of weeks ago. I was using it and
It came unglued like the screen and stuff just popped off
It's probably time to get a new phone. I mean, it's had a good run for like four years
what was like in like
2014 I think there was some super popular with media
Project of like a modular phone. Oh
That was aggressively monitor. Sorry kick-starting thing. I think so
Yeah, so that turns out it was a fraud. Those guys didn't do anything literally nothing. It was it was a yeah
It was completely completely fake phone blocks
Yeah, they are was that it. No, there was there was a fraud recently where some guy was like look
Here's your little compute module. I'm not sure why I'm not sure why I'm not sure why I'm not sure why I'm not sure
Here's your little compute module and you put it in your phone
But you take it out and you put it in a tablet or you take it out and you put it a little laptop
But it just okay becomes whatever you need. It was like complete fraud
Huh, okay. Yeah, so phone blocks phone and then BL OKS
This looks like what I can put on my screen. This is what I was talking about and it looks
Exactly the same as it used to our suggestion a phone that you can easily upgrade repair customize a modular phone
The bigger picture and then they like build the blocks into the back of a monitor or a laptop or whatever else
We are not building it
There are other companies that are something
Have a look
The thing that I was talking about was
Dragonfly future phone
Dragonfly future phone. It was a dragonfly future phone
Convertible dual screen notebook meant to dramatically simplify computing its slingshot section was a 7-inch Android phone with a stylus
there's only one part of the device and you could like it was modular and
it was like yes, this is where we need to go with the future and
No, oh
Geez, they raised almost a million dollars. Yeah Canadian
straight up fraud
Yikes
It's interesting that we're on the on this topic, let me
So this is you know a blast from the past this thing is ancient this is a sharp Zaris SLC 860
This is from Japan. And so this is a handheld computer. So like think GPD before GPD was a thing
Yeah, yeah in Japan. It's got a compact flash slot and it's got a built-in storage and an SD card slot as well and
in Japan
you could get a cellular compact flash card for this and use it as a phone and for messaging and as a hotspot and
All of the cool stuff and it's like I don't know why but like this form factor has gone away
But it's also it the screen would turn around like a tablet and so you could use it
You know screen out or you could open it up and clamshell it and it was fine
it's a little bulky by modern standards, but I haven't seen a
Portable cellular. Yeah device like that and I don't know why because I think there are a lot of people out there that would use it
Yeah, I think I think the
So something I noticed that was written in the doc
I'm gonna I'm gonna loop around to answer your question a little bit here. Is that
Where is it?
Samsung and Apple users still replace their phone more often than the rest of the public
About every year and a half. This might be a reflection of how those are viewed as more premium brands that attract
More enthusiasts as well. I think a
Lot of people even if they won't admit it
Buy phones as fashion statements. Yeah
So I think that thing that you just showed while being super cool is also kind of a brick
And not it might be it might be interestingly fashionable within a certain crowd
You know what I mean, but I think it's not like a standard fashion object and like there's there's probably a higher percentage of people
That are buying phones for enthusiast reasons in this audience
But I think across the spectrum. There's quite a few people that are like, yeah, I buy phones based on specs
And really the spec that they're looking for is like the name
Apple or Samsung or whatever else? I know a lot of hipsters that are still rocking like the iPhone 7 though
Okay, but that might also be because the Apple stuff is just a complete wasteland
And I'm an apple just that might be it like that could be that could be part of the problem
Of course, you can get your new Apple credit card now and Apple will be more than happy to finance you that new iPhone 10. Oh
Yeah, no problem at all. Maybe they'll give you a sleeve so they can protect it from you
What are your thoughts on the we don't even have this in the in the dock?
But what are your thoughts on the the fact that that card apparently gets stained from denim and leather?
That's I mean, could there be a more quintessentially Apple story?
It bends in your pocket you're holding the phone wrong it gets stained from the things that you put it in I
Mean really because it's like, you know
Everybody's always on about Apple engineering and like how much thought Apple puts into things and then stuff like that happens
And it's like did you even do any testing like really did you do any testing at all?
Yeah, I'm just bringing up the Apple card site right now
What kind of heathen would put this card at their leather wallet?
Who even has leather wallets anymore? No, we must everyone is carrying like that little clip thingy
Like this is how it's done in a modern world. You know wallets are out. No one carries a wallet
It's a clip. You need it. You need a money clip. That's all you need
Card is here
It's just it's so I
Don't even understand because like okay, I'm sure it's it's helpful in some places but it's not like it doesn't
Whoops, there's twitch
It doesn't have the numbers on it, which is cool for security reasons, but then that to me means that it's
Probably mostly a physical card. Yeah, cuz cards that people want to use for online
They usually want to see the numbers on it or they put it in their phone or whatever
But as far as my understanding goes Apple pay is or Android pay is like everywhere in the States
Is it not am I wrong about this? I don't have first-hand experience. This is anecdotal from other people
It's definitely not everywhere. And in fact a lot of places are not even chip yet
Okay, I did know the chip part I find that kind of hilarious I
Just that's so it's so weird to me that that's even a thing at all. But yeah, yeah, it's it's just I
Don't I mean the level of security dumb is just really bad
I think the Apple app is supposed to generate like a one-time-use credit card numbers
which is part of the reasoning for not having the
Not having the number on the card
Thing you just go and you hit a button
And it gives you a one-time-use credit card and that prevents your credit card number for me stolen in the first place
They copy was it privacy calm didn't they do that? Yeah
There's a I think even discover has had a one-time-use credit card numbers for like five years, but no
So no one noticed. I
Love that idea. I always actually really like that. This is not an ad for privacy calm, but I always really liked that concept
I don't think you can do it in Canada. I'm pretty sure privacy calm does not work for Canadians
So get rekt me, but I always thought it was a cool idea for a service
But yeah, I find it kind of funny
I I don't personally like my wallet the inside of it is
fabric lined
It's not leather lined and someone was saying like oh you can't put it in your purse and I'm like
I mean, I don't have a ton of experience with purses
but most purses I've seen are not lined on the inside with leather and
Most people that I know they said you can get it stained from denim. Most people I know their pockets
It's not denim. It's a different type of fabric. So I think there's like a little bit maybe
Overreaction I could I could but people are gonna hate me for saying that but I just think like it's probably not gonna matter in
most cases I
wonder like there is
There is something
Socially wrong with producing a card that is
Built like as if it's gonna last 50 years like Apple is gonna issue you your 50 year card
It's gonna last 50 years because it's made out of titanium
Yeah, you know it's quality and it exudes quality and it's just like this really amazing thing
But in reality those things have a lifetime of like three to five years
They should they should be disposable and recyclable and so like if an Apple is really doing what their mantra says
You know, they're putting a lot of thought into it and making you know, like our
Genius leads to this simplicity then it should be something
Disposable and just durable enough and that's it
yeah, I um, I
Hear that for sure, especially because you might lose it and stuff
Part of me goes. Well, if you can exchange the numbers all the time, you don't really need to expire the actual physical card
Yeah, but the tech on the card
Would be made a module soon like pop out the chip and pop in a new one. Oh
Apple making something you can upgrade
Can you imagine while pushing there were at the when?
At the when AMD had the epic server launch thing the flash memory summit thing was going on as well
And Toshiba, I think it was Toshiba unveiled a new
NVMe interconnect that is very small and very compact and it's like Apple is in a position market wise to push
IC vendors into new packaging technologies that would allow things to be modular like okay
There's not enough room for dims anymore. All right, great
Let's figure out a way to do socketed BGA or let's figure out a way to do like
Whatever Toshiba was doing with this socketed NVMe. Why yeah, why can't we do that?
There's been some i've seen a few really cool white papery kind of stuff
about various NVMe drives that that could be mounted in different ways and stuff and it's
Super cool. I just think I
Don't know I do wonder every once in a while
Like if if Steve Jobs still was around what would we be seeing right now
Would he be pushing for those kinds of things? Yeah, just be laughing all the way to the bank. I don't know
He could he could
Be pushing these things. He was kind of a fan of closed system in a lot of ways
Especially a little bit further back, but I don't know
I don't know. It's it's interesting next up. We've sorry. Oh, sorry one of the ODM demos of that
Toshiba NVMe was actually using the case to the laptop as a heat sink for the NVMe to get better performance because it was so
Tiny compared to a regular NVMe and but they were like look the case and retention mechanism for this is metal and conducts heat
So you just put a little thermal pad on there and if it's like an aluminum unibody
It's going to conduct that heat all you know, and it's not going to be uncomfortable
And it's not going to be uncomfortable. It's only going to warm up by like two or three degrees C
But that's enough to sustain three gigabytes per second read and two and a half gigabytes per second
Right on something smaller than a postage stamp and it's like oh my gosh
These guys have invented a new modular interconnect. This is going to be amazing for future laptops and it's like wait
Shouldn't this be the kind of thing?
Why come on guys
Oh, what's next moving us on some Facebook employees were aware of the I'm sure you heard about this
I'm, you guys probably even covered it the Cambridge Analytica shadiness
Apparently, should we not have done that?
Who knows
Apparently they were aware of it all the way back in 2015. Oh, wait, you mean, okay. Yes, you should not have done that
I thought you meant was that wrong to cover it and I was like
News is confusing to me. I never know what we should or shouldn't do
Apparently, sorry. Well Zuckerberg's whole attitude with that was like
All right. We got all this we got all these people's private information
Does anybody have any idea how we can make a bunch of money with it Cambridge Analytic was like, I don't know
Let us have the data and play with it. He's like
Oh sweet, okay. Yeah, sounds good
Although the story about a Cambridge Analytica is handling of the data
in the run-up to 2016 US election didn't break until 2018
Recently published internal messages show that some Facebook employees knew that something was amiss
With Cambridge Analytica all the way back in September 2015
I like the the one of the internal investigations from Facebook was like well, this is worrisome
But we can't find where they broke any rules
Hmm
Okay, that doesn't mean you shouldn't stop things. Yeah, I mean that's that was the gist that I got
This wasn't technically against the rules, but
Is this something we should discuss as a company at Facebook or is this something we should worry about? And so
I mean there
Did the left hand know what the right hand was doing?
Is it one of those situations where it's like maybe we shouldn't do this, but we can make a whole bunch of money
There's a lot of industries that are built that way. It's like an industry will do something that is completely amoral
And then they will get you know cemented in business wise and then they will help erect laws
That will make it so that other companies can't do that. Yeah. Yeah
pretty epic I um
I just hate this whole situation. It's all terrible
I'm not surprised people knew about it almost always
I'm, not surprised people knew about it almost always in one of these situations if if a news article comes out saying someone knew about
It or it doesn't
It's still probably the exact same conclusion. Someone probably knew about it
Um someone at one of these companies probably knew you could have assumed that before this article came out
um
Someone someone has to know that facebook handed over all of that data to some random analytical company was just like good luck
Um, and and if that's happening, it's fairly easy to assume bad things will be happening with that data
It's not exactly a big jump and some people inside on facebook would have known that so
Um, it's it's also
Not it's it's the same
pattern
as has existed since
any kind of industrialization it's like
Ford knew that the pentose gas tank could burst into flames at the drop of a hat
But the you know, how many people are going to die as a result of that? Is it worth recalling the entire line?
Probably not a lot of people are going to die. We can probably pay off for people to die from the
You know the gas tank that burst into flames. So let's not bother recalling the gas tank
It's kind of like that but with people's privacy. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, somebody even said here somebody had to transfer the data
And slash or give access to it. Yeah
And like almost any reasonable human being that's in that position is going to go, huh?
This is weird
Right. I don't know like it's it's interesting that this article came up
I just think it's it's no real new information if you if you think about what happened in general
No good beat goes unpunished
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Holy cow
That's amazing 50 off is pretty beefy like the the discounts that medrinos gives is kind of nuts
It's fantastic the uh
The thing that I decided I didn't want to say during the sponsor spot was their um their whole
We're gonna plant 10 trees for each display
Trees for each display. I was gonna be like slowly replace the amazon
Too soon, yeah, okay, i'm gonna leave this out
I don't know if that's the exact messaging they want but uh, yeah, that's a scary thing that's going on
And we got like we got we had a drought here and it was just like everything is dead
And there was just there's no water and then it rained torrentially yesterday and now everything just doesn't know what to do
Yeah
Yeah, um
In more fun things related to fire, uh, walmart is suing tesla over defective solar panels
This is actually kind of impressive it's not their batteries it's the solar panels. Yeah
which is
I haven't personally heard of before
Well, i've heard of battery units connected to solar panel units lighting on fire
Well, it can't it can't be
like
It sounded well the report from walmart said that there were there were cracks and poor electrical connections
Yeah, like improperly installed panels. And so this could be like the panels are fine
But the army of contractors that tesla found because their products
Uh, it just sort of went really badly and one thing that I wondered was like are these the same
ingredients as like the solar
Uh roof tiles that are supposed to be like solar shingles or whatever or is this some other?
commercial product but I I would totally believe that like
If there was not a good electrical connection that that would totally start a fire
But then walmart was like let's shut it shut down all the panels on all of our stores and another one caught fire
It's really weird
Apparently they had to like ask for them to be shut down
So maybe there was some mismanagement there as well
Over 240 walmarts. Sorry. Oh, we missed that one. Yeah, whoops
Uh over 240 walmarts have solar panels on the roof from tesla
But walmart says they've caught fire on top of as many as seven stores
Um after a pattern of sorry, that seems like a lot
That's a pretty high percentage. That's a very high percentage. I would like to see
Where they all are because your contractor idea is very interesting to me actually and if they're all in kind of a similar area
That could line up pretty well
It's the same group of people
Walmart says tesla's own inspections uncovered a litany of issues with the panels including cracks loose connectors
And incorrect grounding like window was just saying, uh, the the lawsuit is for millions of dollars
Though the companies have stated they're working together to try to solve the issue
Not a good look for tesla as their position is a luxury brand for the public
Obviously, they don't want to have people thinking there might be shoddy worksmanship
i'm, pretty sure that tesla could just be like we'll put these in like
50 more walmarts for free just hush up about it and we'll fix these problems with these other ones and walmart will will say
Yeah, everything's fine. Totally good. Now. It's all this free electricity
I mean so this this could totally be a negotiation tactic because oh, yeah seems hyper sensitive to any kind of like pr issue
Because they've got a madman at the helm
Well, and also if tesla, um, not even sneezes
if tesla goes like huh?
There's 47 news articles written about it. Like it's absolutely nuts the the amount of times you have like some crazy
car accident
With a whole bunch of miscellaneous cars involved and then like some tesla driver not an autopilot drives into a wall
and every automotive related thing and every mainstream news outlet all at the same time's like
Tesla ran into a wall. Oh my god
Like it's the the news surrounding them is absolutely bonkers. So like i'm not saying this is a good thing
He had seven solar panels installation catch on fire. He screwed up pretty bad. But like
I don't know
This is a this is a deal between walmart and tesla
They're gonna figure it out walmart's almost certainly going with what you suggested which is some type of
Negotiation play they probably want free installations where they want
where they want free checkups on all the different places which they should at the very least have free checkups and some
Which is at the minimum what they're going for
But knowing tesla they'll end up with free installations as well
Because it seems like the relations are um
not I mean
I imagine there's a they're high enough dollar value that it would make sense to just put in cellular monitoring because
Like tesla is connected at all times to the entire fleet to monitor everything
And let's say they're baking a bunch of times because somebody has come up with some crazy story that seemed plausible
based on the available information and then all of a sudden tesla trots out like
The black box recordings and video and just all kinds of other stuff and it's like wow
That's not creepy at all that my car is recording all of that at all times
They could probably do that with the test or with the uh solar installations as well
yeah, I think um
I mean, there's probably people in twitch chat freaking out because we're wrong about something but if it is external contractors
I would like to think that they would have some first-party tesla
Approval process where they like send out a one two-person team just to check the install and make sure that it's okay afterwards
Because finding things like cracked panels and whatnot that should be pretty easy to do
Like a cracked panel should never be installed
Yeah, so
Yeah, I don't know are they cracked because somebody walked across the installation because they had to get like we surrounded the air conditioners with
Solar panels and then you know the compressor died and the crew had to get to the compressor to replace it on the air conditioner
It's like well, maybe we shouldn't have put the solar panels in a 360 degree radius around here
Maybe we should have left the walk path
I don't know
Yeah planning goes a long way
It goes a long way
A used solar panel shouldn't be used. Okay. I don't know. I don't think that ever came up someone in chat
tagged me and was like a used solar panel shouldn't be used and i'm like
All right, sounds good
Let me move down here a little bit more
Dude dude, what are the news we have android q
Does this interest you android q google is uh, they're they're going with android 10 instead of android q is the is the news
They're breaking the trend of dessert themed names
I love how the notes in here say they could have gone with uh, one of the words suggested was quinoa
I don't think that would work. They they generally go with
With dessert dessert based things. Come on. John. I know you're looking at the dock right now. Um
officially the reason is that people in some parts of the world didn't understand the naming scheme due to linguistic reasons
Or just not being familiar with certain desserts, which does kind of make sense
um
the question that I have for you is
Is q the 10th letter of the alphabet because I don't think it is hey
I'd have to follow their uh
Their scheme for a little while
But yeah, I I also if I ever have to find where a letter in the alphabet is I have to read out the whole
Darn alphabet. I'm one of those people so
Uh, they could have gone with quench gum, I guess that's the only candy that I could find that literally started with q
I mean o for oreo. They've not that's not unprecedented but
No, yeah, I thought it was kind of surprising when they started. Uh,
They started using branded things. Was it kitkat? Was that the first brand? Yeah. Yeah. I was like that's
Really weird actually and then they did oreo later on a few other things
Apparently, there's a dessert from luxembourg that starts with q
The tech tech linked twitter posted it out
But then okay that actually lines up with what it said at the beginning of this doc, which was uh,
one of the reasons is it's being blocked due to linguistic reasons or people just not knowing what certain desserts are
If you you and me both can't think of a dessert that starts with q and apparently there's one from luxembourg randomly like
Okay
I don't know
I don't know. Yeah
That's whatever man
I would like to see google turn android into a full like merge android and chrome os
And build a desktop operating system or build
Something more toward a desktop linux
Oh more desktop linux I um
I'm, i'm just going to stay on topic for a quick second and then i'll jump back to what you said. Um
I I think
They could have just
Dropped the alphabetizedness
And just started calling it random desserts
Yeah, that would have been good like who cares if it's in alphabetical order just call it
I don't know ice. Oh, they already have ice. Just call it something. Don't worry about it. But I want it
I want an android klondike
Yeah
Sure
I mean they they went with the branded thing. So like whatever roll with it harder gummy bears. Yeah, sweet
Um, but yeah, I know I I I agree having
What do they even call the desktop version right now?
Is it android os?
Chrome os chrome os chromus, right? Of course
Um having that be beefed up would be pretty nice
Yeah, that'd be cool another option on the scene
Well, there's crouton where you can like run android apps or run
linux apps under chrome
And there's like a new version of that, but I haven't played with it
But one of the one of the guys I know was messing around with it and it looked pretty legit
um
But also chrome's ability to run android applications like that's fairly mature at this point. And so that's almost the promised land
Yeah
I um, so give me one second. I just have to take care of that really quick. Oh my god
YouTube listen to me. I don't want to watch the ass. There we go
I didn't want the audio for the youtube ad to come through the stream
And I kept pressing pause and it would immediately unpause it and keep playing and I was like no
I know you want your revenue, but this is also i'm watching my own channel. So that's not supposed to happen. Anyways, stop it
Um, okay, let's let's let's move on this one's fun just in the
internet of terrible things
terrible things
smart ovens
Are starting to have a mind of their own
Uh, the the june oven has been turning on in the middle of the night and heating up to 400 degrees fahrenheit
One user left his potatoes in the oven to cool, but they turned uh
It turned them black
They end up being totally burnt
fantastic
June ceo is blaming users for the issues always a good stance to take
Uh saying that they're accidentally activating the oven through the app. Um
Which is which is fantastic because apparently it's happening while people are sleeping
um
I just I just I don't know i've i've never
it's
It should almost be illegal to preheat your oven through your phone like
In countries would possibly go wrong. Yeah, but like in countries with government-funded
funded
fire
like fire halls
Like I feel like this is just directly going to increase I I feel bad enough when I when I do sous vide remotely
But I know I keep in mind that like it doesn't go over 100 degrees. Like it's not it's gonna
Be relatively calm. It's probably gonna be like a a stick that's like 60 degrees. It's probably okay
Um, well one fix is to add even more internet of things things to monitor the internet of things things
So that we know what's happening
So like if you get like your google smart home director detects that the internet of things oven has come on at four o'clock in
The morning the advanced ai algorithm is like that doesn't sound right because you know, our user does not work third shift
So perhaps I should spam them with lots of notifications on their phone to be like
Hey, the oven is activated or the ai could take it upon itself to deactivate the oven so that uh, you know
It doesn't burn the house down and then a few years later from there
We have that same ai that's now pissed off because its user keeps ignoring all of its warnings
Turning on the oven when the user isn't home being like now the user will never come home
All my problems are solved. I think that we saw this future like the end of this future in the movie wall e
It's just like what is like people just didn't know what's going on
Yeah, I just I thought that was ridiculous that was fun that was posted uh, our source for that was the verge
June smart oven. Is there any smart anything that actually makes sense? Like
A lot of fridges now have us built in screen smart phones
Well, I mean like appliances yeah, yeah, I'm kidding
I'm going to buy a house when I buy a house it usually comes with some of the appliances if not a lot of the appliances
if not a lot of the appliances, yeah, and
Am I gonna buy a house and have a 15 year old smart fridge that is basically a security vulnerability nightmare
That's probably already mining bitcoin for some guy in russia. I mean
Is that just out of the box? Yeah
You don't know
Yeah, no, seriously. I um
It none of it makes a lot of sense to me. I do I do enjoy my sous-vides
Sous-vides, um
and I do kind of like them being somewhat smart devices just because
Well, mostly that so that's a june oven. Okay, so it's a toaster oven. Um
I do like my my jewel being smartphone connected, but that's just because it takes
It doesn't get that hot. So it's not that big of a deal
And the functions that it has a smart like you can't you can't tweet from your jewel
like you can't earn your uh, so jewel when I say jewel all the
younger people
And i'm that person now, uh, I think i'm saying the j-u-u-l
smoking thing which I still have never seen in in real life, but
Um, i'm talking j-o-u-l-e the sous vide kitchen appliance
Um, if you have your your jewel it's going to take a while to cook things and you probably pre-prepped everything
That's going to go in it. So you you preheat it from your from your phone, which it doesn't get that hot
So it doesn't really matter and then once it's preheated you just go dunk your thing in
And then you can monitor from your phone when it's going to be done and in some cases it's going to be
Like three hours if you're cooking, I believe a frozen chicken breast
So like it can be a while. So being able to monitor from your phone is kind of cool
And it doesn't get that hot so I get that but with like some random toaster oven that can get to 400 degrees
And you can preheat it from your phone. Like that just that seems extremely unnecessary
That's where I store my manuscripts
Perfect perfect
That's the other thing is like if it's if you have a smart connected devices device
I i'm sure I can find some that are legitimate. Although I can't really off the top of my head right now
um the scope
Seems to always be too much for me
Like why does it do these things?
Like there was a there was a story recently of a girl who?
Her her mom tried to ban her off of twitter. So she took her like laptop away or something or her phone
Uh, so she tweeted from her like ds
And she took her ds away. So she tweeted from the we so she took her dwee away
So she tweeted from the fridge and I was like why why can you tweet from the fridge like what? Oh, man
That's the world we live in now, but just like come on
That's ridiculous. I am like i'm sure there's some use case where you have like a private twitter account
and
Just your family is able to follow that twitter account
And then you can like go in the fridge and be like I press the milk button and it auto tweets out like hey
Mom, give me some milk
Like sure. Okay, but there's got to be easier ways to do that too. I don't know why i'm reminded of this but uh,
When asterisked, you know the open source phone system thing was new. Yeah, uh, I set up an asterisk system
and
Uh just for just for the lulls
One of the extensions you could dial in this corporate phone system would take you to play zork the text adventure
And it would read it would text to speech read you what was happening
The commands so i'm pretty sure we could set it up so that you know, just touch tone phone dialing we could get twitter going
Yeah, probably I don't yeah, I don't even think that would be that hard twitter's so freaking simple
Oh, man, obviously like attachments and stuff wouldn't work. But
Uh, there's a service for prisoners. So like prisoners are not allowed to have technology at least in the u.s
I mean you guys probably have like fancy resort prison in canada
But but in the u.s
It's like most they're not allowed to really have that kind of technology, but there's a service
that people on the outside can subscribe to and so like you
You add your own social media to it like the prisoner's family or whatever like, you know, say you you know
Say you accidentally ran over somebody and you're going to go to jail for two or three years for manslaughter
And but you want to keep in touch with the family, but you know, it's prison. Uh,
The service will print your twitter feed and mail it
And it's like they have you know, they get your they get your feed but in mail form once a week
Oh, man
That's that's actually wild
That's actually wild, huh? I kind of
oh
That's a lot of do you get like a book?
Well, I mean, it's not you don't I mean
I guess if you subscribe to like a million people it would probably only be like first 10 pages
But the idea is like if you're taking pictures of your kids
Or like your spouse is in prison and you're taking pictures of your kids or your family and you know
Your stuff's going on or you make a post to facebook like, you know
Uh, grandma's diabetes medicine went up again, then all that gets printed and mailed to a prison somewhere
And then they can just read it and they can reply by
mail like they can send a letter to the service and
You know
Oh my goodness prisoners have a limited ability to send email though. It's very limited
But they can send email
They're sending uh physical mail snail mail. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. That's uh, that's really interesting
I had I had no idea any of that stuff existed
I know I know next to those are my discord notifications that guys sorry about that. Um, I don't know if I can
Mute that give me one second
Do I should be able to oh no if I mute discord I mute you
That won't work. Okay, let's not worry about it. Sorry about the discord notifications my dudes. Um next up in fun government things
Uh faa asks citizens to please not stick weapons on their drones
Well, that's not a problem for here us here in the states because uh, I you know as a
citizen of the great nation of you know
of you know the united states of america if I want to manufacture my own firearms for my own personal use
That is my right under the second amendment
So like if I want to construct my own like if I want to cue from raw metal and the sweat of my brow
Um, you know a 1911 pistol that has no serial number or anything. That is my god-given, right?
Okay
So
Yeah, that's that's amazing so but this okay, but this says that you get fined 25 grand for each violation
Yeah, they're just it's like you're you can't so you can't make booby traps is
What they're flying this under as so like you
Holding a weapon you making a weapon that's totally okay
But you putting a weapon on a drone that's not okay
You're going to accidentally do something bad and for a lot of places have uh been not
Getting any kind of rain or anything the flame throwing drones
That would be bad. That would be a good easy way to accidentally start a forest fire that no firefighter can actually reach. Yeah
They seem to be saying
Was done in response to online videos showing drones when it does specifically call it flame throwers
And it says guns attached to them and I guess that would be
With is is there any laws? I don't i'm not very up on american laws in general, but especially not their firearms stuff
uh, is there any laws about like
Reckless use of a firearm. Yes lots of laws about reckless use of a firearm
So I feel like attaching a gun to a drone would probably fall under reckless use of a firearm whatever that's actually called
Yes
There was a farm in texas that got in trouble. Uh, some ranch owner owned a couple of hundred acres
And he had a service where you could actually
There was like a deer stand and you could sign up and uh control a rifle on a turret
And it was I mean, it's completely safe because it was like a live range
But the deer would come from the tree line, you know into the range and you could shoot deer over the internet that was frowned upon
And so that's not a thing anymore, but that was totally basically okay in the u.s
You could shoot real deer over the internet that's like the most intense version of buck hunter ever
I think in canada or not in canada in alaska. It's still okay to hunt like wolves and bears and stuff from a helicopter
From a helicopter well, okay, isn't that that's totally okay for uh boars in texas, right?
I think so. Yeah, probably yeah, it's just you gotta like, you know not be reckless about it
So it's gonna be those very you gotta you gotta not be reckless about your machine gun from your helicopter
Very low population density. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense
That's uh, that's fantastic
If you do ever come visit, we'll go to the range. You'll have a lot of fun
I um, my grandpa was was in the marines and he's taken me to
Ranges basically every time i've seen him for for quite a while
I'm not saying I wouldn't love to go. Let's do it
I want to actually we were talking about this in the pre-show. I want to come check out your studio and everything
So that would be fantastic
It'd be awesome combination technology and guns
Technology and guns guns are a form of technology as it turns out. Yes
That's always a fun thing to bring up when it's like
People are like, uh, this isn't tech news and i'm like, yeah
Are you sure?
It probably is
Pretty much no matter what we're talking about. It probably is
I think with that though, we can probably conclude the show. Can you tell everyone all the various places that they can find you?
uh
I'm i'm wendell from level one. You could just google me. It's fine
Uh, that's about all you need to do
I'm i'm uh, i'm at uh tek wendell on twitter
And level the number one text
techs.com
So there we go. Not a big deal cool
Does youtube stuff does twittery stuff?
Um and soon I guess we could say that
Yes
Soon float plane stuff float plane level one is coming to float plane. So that's like we're what like yeah five at this point
five or six, uh
Six
Six, I think six it'll be it'll be whoever wins between you and uh, he's he's signed
Whatever sounds good you and science studio
Oh to actually like go live first
It turns out that float plane is actually a nice platform youtube
a little bit of a dumpster fire these days
Yes
That's a win in my department
Success
Oh, man
Okay, awesome. Yeah, that's it for the show guys. Thank you everyone for watching. Oh, uh, actually i'm gonna not forget here real quick. Sorry
uh
i'm gonna jump to
Uh, let's put something on screen that doesn't matter
And then jump here I just want to read off super chats
Oh, yeah, super chat
Is there just the one I think there's just one that's amazing
Thank you random citizen
Yeah, I think it's because we skipped out on reading them so many times in a row
We are so good at this
We are so good at this
Okay, yeah, uh
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Well, thanks gordy tech channel i'll try to sit closer to the mic next time
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