Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen.
We've got a fantastic show for you guys today.
Lots of great topics.
Naturally, the big news this week is Facebook has decided with all the stuff that they've
got going on right now, all the controversy, you know what the solution is?
Change of name.
New name.
Move to a new city.
New name.
Yeah, honestly.
That's right.
That's right.
Facebook is now meta.
We're going to be talking about that naturally with all of our recent controversy.
We're going to be changing our name as well, so we're going to get you guys to weigh in
on that.
Let us know what you want to see.
Linus Media Groupie, Mick Linus Media Groupface is one of the front runners right now.
In other news, Intel soft launched their Alder Lake CPUs.
We're going to be talking about that.
I might talk a little bit about my attempt at getting my hands on an engineering sample
so that I could publish data about it early.
My failed attempt so I can get into some of the technical issues that I ran into around
that.
What else we got this week?
The N64 collection on the Switch is disappointing.
Is that really news though?
What else do we have in here?
A Copyright Office is lessening the legal risks of DRM on repairs.
That's good.
That is good.
That's good.
I like it.
Let's roll that intro.
Good job guys.
Artist formerly known as Linus Media Groupie.
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
And the show is brought to y'all by Secret Lab, Ridge Wallet, and Pulseway.
All right, why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day?
Oh, we didn't even mention what's going to be another one of our major topics this week.
We got to talk about Linux Challenge.
We didn't touch on it at all last week.
So obviously we're not going to spoil everything for you guys, but Luke and I were both shooting
our parts of part three.
I haven't seen what Luke ended up doing, but you know what?
We'll get into it later.
First, we got to talk about Facebook being in turmoil with whistleblower leaks and a
new name.
So they've topped headlines this week and actually quite, man, they've been in the news
a lot lately.
They have.
And yeah, I'll get into it in a second.
That's really funny is the last the last couple of weeks being in person has made it so much
easier to not do that.
And it's like we're it's like we're back in our in our houses again, dealing with stream
delays.
OK, so the Facebook papers, OK, released by whistleblower Francis Hoggan.
Hoggan drilled the company's business practices in front of Congress for creating a structure
of incentivization on growth while harvesting resources away from important safety programs.
Revelations from the documents have intensified concerns about Facebook's influence, particularly
on children's and teens mental health.
I mean, man, my mind is blown right now.
Facebook is not good for the mental health of kids because my kids, that's the first
thing I did.
I got them Facebook.
Got them on Facebook.
I got them on that Facebook.
Get them on Twitter.
Make sure they're on that Facebook.
How else are they going to talk to their boomer relatives?
Yeah.
I mean, that's what Facebook's good for, right?
That's mostly what I use it for.
One hundred percent of what I use it for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Anyway, revelations, as Hoggan was testifying, Facebook's representatives tweeted and emailed
talking points rebutting Hoggan's testimony.
One of their main points, Hoggan didn't work on many of the issues, including teenagers
and child safety that were covered in the documents that she downloaded.
Well then, well, then the fact that you didn't work on these documents means that you couldn't
possibly be qualified in any way to speak about them.
You know?
Yeah.
So fine.
Cool.
In other news, Facebook has decided to rebrand their corporate entity to meta.
Like as in metaverse, you know what I noticed, too?
You mentioned that the people use Facebook to keep in contact with their elderly relatives,
right?
Yes.
You notice how it's an infinity logo that's just kind of droopy?
Like a saggy infinity logo?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess that's...
Oh, man.
What is there to really say about this?
In my opinion, it's how lame they focused on...
They tried to meme it.
I don't know if you picked up on this, but they 100% tried to meme it.
Their Twitter right now is horrible.
If you go to twitter.com slash meta, because it's not Facebook anymore, if you scroll down
a little bit, they just like are tagging other random people.
Wonder what ordering groceries in the metaverse will look like at HEB.
Hey Balenciaga, what's the dress code in the metaverse?
Like being like, please, please interact with us.
We need more people to see this, please.
It's just horrible.
It's so bad.
They even retweeted, not even retweeted, they made their own tweet about the fact that he
had barbecue sauce on his shelf, which was like the most obvious planted BS ever.
Like it's just stupid.
No, that wasn't accidentally left there.
Get over it.
Like this is the worst meme generation ever.
I actually cringed so hard at this stupid barbecue sauce thing because a few people
tweeted out about it.
Be like, Oh, I found it.
There was barbecue sauce on the shelf.
It's like, no, that was there on purpose, guys.
It was horrible.
It's terrible.
Don't fall for it.
Okay.
Okay.
Silence brand.
Oh, damn it.
I was going to do it.
I was going to be like, no, no.
I think I'm actually up on the Zoomer lingo for this.
Yeah.
It's trash.
I just, Oh my goodness.
This is terrible.
Zuckerberg.
Okay.
About the change.
Okay.
So the new name reflects the company's push to build an avatar filled virtual world known
as the metaverse as it battles it's deepening public relations crisis.
Zuckerberg stated together, we can finally put people at the center of our technology.
Wait, what?
Together we can finally put people at the center of our technology.
What the hell was Facebook ever before?
It's a, it was a social, it was social media platform advertisements were at the center
of that technology.
Okay.
That's fair.
That's 100% fair.
Okay.
And together we can unlock a massively bigger creator economy.
Yeah.
Because people first means that an embodied identity stays with you across apps so that
ads can target you even better.
That's advertising first.
It's still the same thing.
Luke.
Darn it.
We came full circle.
We were so close.
We did it again.
Now we're going to have to rebrand.
How about taco?
We're going to make food now.
We're done with this.
Oh my God.
Okay, so they also announced a new VR headset dubbed project Cambria, which I find oddly
similar to Cambridge analytics.
A second I read Cambria, I was like, Oof, you could have thought of a name that was
a little further away from one of your current controversies.
Yeah.
I mean, that's not really a current controversy.
They've had, they've had so many hot, spicy, sexy new controversies that I think that
one barely even registers anymore at this point.
Yeah.
That's the thing about the news cycle, right?
Because it's just, we're going boys.
We just say, okay, what's new?
What's new?
What's the worst thing that happened today?
Nevermind yesterday.
Yeah.
So.
But yeah, new headset, by the way, Oculus is gone.
Not a thing anymore.
So while the new headset is dubbed project Cambria, Oculus headsets are no longer called
Oculus headsets.
They're meta.
No, this is brilliant.
Because now people like you can never be like, um, Oculus has broken every promise they ever
made after the Facebook acquisition.
Because now that would be nonsense.
You'd be saying this company, what are you talking about?
What company?
You broke every promise they made after the acquisition by this other company.
They've only existed for three years.
What company are you even talking about?
Yeah.
That company is not a thing.
And that company you're claiming acquired them is also not a thing.
So I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's all just meta now.
Okay.
Come on.
Oh, so now, now what we're going to have to say is that the company formerly known as
Oculus broke every promise that was made after the acquisition by the company formerly known
as Facebook.
Nice.
Oh man.
Beautiful.
So discussion question.
Okay.
This is from Colin who put this topic in the doc for us.
Thank you, Colin.
The heat is turning up on the social media mega Corp is more regulation and absolute
fact at this point, or will the status quo remain?
There's a lot of money behind it.
It's a huge amount of money behind it and money can often dictate what happens.
So I don't know.
I think the status quo is going to kind of just keep marching on.
Francis Hoggins says, breaking up Facebook, isn't the answer.
Fixing the algorithms is, but the problem is that algorithms are inherently sort of
a trade secret for these companies, you know, as a, as a creator on YouTube, which is you
know, owned by alphabet.
Haha.
See if we're going to, if we're going to, if we're all going to pretend that these companies
are a different thing, let's use all of their pretend names.
So we've got, we've got meta and we've got alphabet.
Okay.
So, so if we're going to, as a, as a creator on YouTube, I kind of see this from both sides.
On the one hand, I understand that the, the opacity, opacity, wow, that's a word I don't
say out loud a lot, whatever the, the, the opaqueness, the, the lack of the lack of opacity,
the opaqueness of these algorithms creates a lot of distrust among users, among government
regulators, among competitors who are also beholden to these platforms.
It creates this incredible power imbalance, even partners, partners like me who are kind
of going, okay, well, I sure hope the algorithm treats me well today and important.
And I can spend a lot of my time trying to understand it and I can, and I can increase
the odds of my business being successful by understanding it, how it works, how to make
it work to my advantage.
And that, that creates a lot of stress and a lot of uncertainty though, because I can,
I can never absolutely know how it works because, and this is sort of the other side of this
coin, in order to build the most effective possible algorithm in the machine learning
AI age, even the developers can't necessarily know exactly how it works.
That is just the way that it is.
You, the way that it works with machine learning is you basically say, okay, here's the desired
outcome, whether it's, I want the highest possible watch time, or whether it's because
I want the highest possible engagement.
And unless you put an importance on other things, it will cleave those things out of
the way in order to get as much possible of the desired outcome.
Exactly.
And sometimes that can end up breaking things.
So the developers will go in and they'll go, they'll tune it, they'll go, oh, okay, we,
we swung a little bit far this way, let's, let's kind of tune it back this way.
But the, but the bottom line is that even the developers of these algorithms don't 100%
know exactly how they work.
That's just the nature of the beast.
And if we forced them to open up their algorithms and how they work, we could create a situation
where a significant investment has been made into this technology that is now effectively
just put out there in the open.
And I could see a lot of open source advocates, for example, being very in support of that.
But the point I'm trying to make is that I, I, I, I see it both ways.
You know, this, these are, these are, these are non-trivial, these are non-trivial tools
to develop.
And as a company, I think you expect some kind of return on your investment, right?
Yeah.
So I don't, I don't have the solution.
Yes.
For certain.
Yeah.
It sure isn't changing your name.
I don't, I don't think anyone's going to stop calling Facebook, Facebook.
Yeah.
Maybe, you know, analysts writing seeking alpha articles or whatever, you know, where
they, they're advising people, you know, a stock to invest in or whatever, they're going
to want to make sure they use the correct legal name of the company or whatever.
But I don't think that your, your mom or your grandma or whatever is going to stop calling
the company that owns Facebook, Facebook.
Speaking of which, we've mentioned a few times that the audience for Facebook is, is much
older than the audience for a lot of other social media platforms.
I wonder how they're going to react to the icon on their phone looking different and
being called something else randomly.
I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to say they probably won't notice or care for the
most part.
Because it's just going to be notification based.
Yeah.
I think it's just going to be like, I mean, I, maybe I'm over, maybe I'm more, maybe I'm
underthinking this, but you know, from my point of view, you have enough muscle memory
for where an app is installed on your phone or whatever else.
You just, I, there, and it's not like they're not going to do a really gradual shift in
the branding.
Like they've changed their, they've changed their, their logo before they changed the
font of the F or whatever.
And I'm pretty sure they've changed the, the logo design for things like Facebook messenger
in the past.
So I don't foresee that being a problem.
I think, I think it's just going to be that people will kind of go, Oh, for some reason
Facebook, their logo is an M now, or apparently someone in the chat is saying Facebook isn't
getting renamed app itself is still going to be Facebook.
But what I'm expecting over time is that they might want to have some of the parent company
branding in there.
Kind of like how when you open up WhatsApp, it's like WhatsApp by Facebook.
So we're probably going to see WhatsApp by, by meta.
So at the very most, we might see some kind of logo or branding redesign, but it's not
going to be anything that's going to make it difficult for people to find the app on
their phone.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Cause, cause alphabet.
Yeah.
Did this whole launch announcing their, their new company, their name and stuff.
And then after that it was kind of like, whatever, like they, they didn't really push it on any
of their other products or anything.
Right.
It's just like, Oh yeah.
The parent company's alphabet.
Yeah.
Sure.
Whatever.
This one doesn't seem to really be that way.
They're renaming Oculus headsets there.
They're pushing the brand name really hard.
So how much of this is like, can I just go tinfoil hat for a little bit here on yet?
Yeah.
Let's go.
Can I go a little bit tinfoil hat?
Okay.
So how much of this is this sort of mega rich individual that absolutely has sort of zero
connection to how most people are living their lives, sort of deciding that what's probably
best for us.
Let's put barbecue sauce on a shelf.
Since we're, since we're never going to rise above the station that we're in, in our life
anyway, that what we should probably aspire to is spending the vast majority of our time
in sort of virtual reality, interacting with people virtually because you know, virtual
tourism and virtual skydiving is all that's going to be left for us by the time this,
this sort of mega ultra rich individual and his ilk have hoovered up all of the wealth
that exists in the world and we better get used to it.
And you know, this is sort of this, this move to start getting us acclimated, like I'm this.
Yeah.
Does it not feel like supervillainy?
These weird, like awkward tweets of him asking like, how are you going to order groceries
in the metaverse?
They're like, they're like threats.
They're not questions, you know, you see what I'm saying?
Maybe I'll go to the grocery store.
You'll do what we tell you you're going to do.
I don't know.
We run the metaverse.
It really does.
It really feels kind of supervillainy to me.
I mean, he's a, he's a supervillain, so it makes sense.
All right.
Well, that's all I have to say about that.
Why don't we, why don't we chat about the Alder Lake soft launch here?
Intel took the wraps off their 12th generation core lineup, codenamed Alder Lake.
They are claiming a 19% increase in IPC over 11th gen built on the Intel 7, formerly known
as 10 nanometer enhanced super fin process.
No AVX 512 turns out people didn't care on the mainstream platforms.
And it took up too much die space, but we are getting PCI express gen five.
That's right.
Luke, gen five, DDR five, 128 gigs max memory capacity, dedicated B clock support.
I don't know what dedicated B clock support means, but maybe that's just a typo in my,
in my notes here.
One of the biggest things is new power definitions.
So I want to, I want to be careful about applauding this because it's the kind of thing that should
have been done ages ago.
But Intel is finally disclosing multiple power limits for their CPU's.
So what was TDP PL one is now processor base power.
Okay.
So that's the power of the CPU is able to access at any given moment.
And what was PL two is now maximum turbo power or MTP defined as the maximum power of the
CPU can access during boost.
And in the past for, especially the last generation Intel was releasing these CPU's with a hundred
plus watt TDPs that were regularly sucking back 200 Watts or more.
So I want to applaud the greater transparency, but you see how quiet the applause is because
this should have never been a problem in the first place.
Still technically audible.
Thanks guys.
And I mean, I mean, it's not just Intel, like overall it's whether we're talking about,
you know, Apple with their intentionally vague performance graphs or Intel with the things
Intel does, there seems to be this trend towards de-technicalifying consumer facing information
that you publish.
Like it used to be not that long ago that Intel would publish a complete, oops, a complete
matrix of all the different core counts and all the different boost clocks that the CPU
could reach.
And they just, they just, they just published it.
And so you didn't have to guess, Oh, if I have like a, a, a, a two core, a game that,
you know, utilizes predominantly two cores, what kind of performance will I see in that?
What kind of clock speed will I see in that compared to if I have one that's going to
manage to hit four or one that's limited to just one, they used to just publish it.
And then they just stopped.
And I remember complaining about it at the time.
And then I guess I just got sort of slow boiled over here.
Cause I sort of forgot about it.
And now that they're sort of giving me back an inch, I want a model.
I want all the proper specs back.
Tell me everything.
Stop hiding.
Intel's performance testing claims that the new CPUs are at worst equal to, and at best
up to 30% faster than AMD's Ryzen 5000 series.
However, speaking of Intel, publishing consumer facing data that is questionable.
Intel's testing used windows 11 pro and took place before the fixes for windows 11 scheduler
bugs that caused high level three cache latency on Ryzen.
So how it actually performs is still unknown.
Although what we do know is that it consistently beats 11th gen by at least that much.
So it should be competitive based on what we know about how 12th gen compares to 11th
gen and how 11th gen compares to Ryzen.
But obviously when we do our review, we're going to be laser focused on 12th gen versus
Ryzen 5000, because that's what you guys want to know.
Now I don't know why Anthony put this in here, but I'm going to share it with you guys.
Here are some facts about Alder Lake.
Alder Lake is an artificial lake in Washington state created by the construction of the Alder
dam in 1944.
Alders are trees comprising the genus allness in the Birch family, but tell us the Alder
is a hardwood that is useful for furniture and other structural use.
The catkins can be edible.
A catkin is found mainly on male plants and is a cluster of petal flowers on a stem used
for pollination.
Alderwood is sometimes used for smoking fish, coffee, and other foods.
And Alder bark contains an anti-inflammatory and has been used by indigenous peoples to
treat poison oak and other rashes for many, many years.
Electric guitars have been made from Alder since the 1950s, thanks to the total qualities
the wood possesses.
Our discussion question is, will AMD's V-cash be enough or will AMD need to pull off some
kind of different magic trick to stay ahead?
Oh man.
I don't know.
AMD has made some pretty bold claims about the kinds of performance increases that we
can expect from V-cash.
But really to me, the main discussion point for all of this is, are we back to Intel and
AMD leapfrogging each other on a yearly or every other yearly basis?
And is Intel finally going to be making the same kinds of investments that AMD has been
making over the last few years to really drive performance forward rather than just being
content to sit back on their laurels?
Are you excited?
Yeah.
No, this is really good.
Okay.
This is really good.
I think this is like stage two of the resurgence of the CPU wars because they were dead for
a long time and then AMD came out of nowhere and stole the crown and then Intel just kind
of sat around and now they're both fighting and that's good.
How would you respond to the people who inevitably are going to tweet at you upset about how
much faster the new generation of CPUs is and how worthless their last generation CPU
is when they turn around and try and sell it on the secondhand market?
They're lame.
I don't care.
They're lame.
What do you mean?
Rude.
Rude.
What do you mean?
Rude.
Rude.
Things should get faster.
You can't just sit there and be salty about your thing not being as fast as the new thing.
You should want progress, right?
Yeah, but there's a whole generation of PC enthusiasts that thought that when you buy
a 3770K you get to keep it for 10 years.
Basically it basically holds its value for the better part of a decade.
I know people now that are playing modern games now on 3770 and 4790Ks.
Yeah.
They're fine.
They are.
They are still fine.
And honestly this new one, even though there's the big jump, your previous one's going to
be fine, dude.
Like it's just a thing.
You're going to be all right.
Don't stifle innovation.
Controversial take.
Better stuff.
Controversial take.
With so much of our gaming performance limited by the GPU, especially as 4K displays have
become, I mean 1440p got affordable first.
Nowadays 1440p is like you can find that on Craigslist for next to nothing.
You want a 1440p display.
It's a great resolution by the way.
It's a great resolution.
Personal favorite resolution.
Me too.
If I had to have a personal favorite resolution, okay.
But 4K displays even are quite affordable now.
And given how much of our performance bottleneck is actually, has actually been shifted to
the GPU because we're trying to push so many pixels, do we need faster CPUs for gaming
right now?
Might as well take them.
You got to take them, dude.
Okay.
I mean, yeah, obviously it's better than a kick in the teeth, but that's not what I asked.
Do we even need them?
I think not really for most use cases.
I'm sure there's some game out there.
Everyone's going to be able to find a game that like is really CPU bound.
Sure.
Like an esports title that's kind of capped around 250 FPS, we've got 360 Hertz monitors
out there now.
You want to like really keep your frame times as low as possible, et cetera, et cetera.
So there's going to be use cases out there where like, yes, it's beneficial.
I think the average user is not going to see a huge benefit between like this gen and previous
gen, but I still wouldn't say that that's a reason to not care about the benefit.
We got to crank this hardware because like, I think the people making the games be less
scared to pump more things into it that could hamper performance if the performance of the
computers are super cranked.
I mean, we all know that the performance of modern generation computers is not really
the issue.
It's all about how fast the modern generation of consoles is.
The better the tech gets on the desktop side, the next time a new console comes out, there's
a higher chance that it's going to be better off.
That's true.
That's always want for more.
That's how consumerism works.
So speaking of which, there's this really cool banner that comes up here every once
in a while.
All right.
Talk about your banner.
Yes.
Okay.
We made this cool new thing.
If you've watched the land show to the end before, you've seen us do super chats.
No more super chats.
Don't send super chats anymore.
For real though.
Please don't send super chats.
I know it's been a meme for a while, but now it's like actually a thing because we have
this thing that's going to show up at some point.
Not right now.
Don't worry about it.
That is a opt in thing that happens when we are live streaming.
It could happen during the wan show.
It could happen during a Linus game stream.
It could happen during something else.
PC build or whatever.
If you don't want it on something, you're going to have to let us know.
Hey.
Yeah.
I'll just, I know I'll just have it on all the time.
Yeah.
And, and it, it as an opt in, if you decide to, when you're doing your contact info on
the checkout, you can have your, your purchase show up on the stream.
And along with that, you can send, Hey, there we go.
Along with that, you can send a message and at the end of the show, we'll read the messages
just like super chats.
Yeah.
I don't know if I can promise that we'll read all of them just like super chats because
there's already so many in the show even before we announced the new feature, but we will
do.
We will try.
We will try.
Yeah.
Really the motivation behind this is to be clear, not to make more money.
In fact, our margins on LTT store purchases are actually lower percentage wise than our
margins on super chats.
The idea is just that if you are going to spend money in hopes that I might read your
message on stream, you might as well at least get something for your trouble.
If I don't read it, there you go.
So this is just a way smarter way for you guys to contribute to the show because instead
of just giving Google money for no reason that they frankly don't need, you can give,
you know, our t-shirt printer and our warehouse guys over in Richmond there.
You can, you can give them something to do.
Give them, give them some money to make.
You know what I mean?
Keep, keep the machine, keep the machine rolling here rather than keeping the machine rolling
at Google where I think they're, they're rolling pretty good.
Yeah, exactly.
So Pierce Beilenburg says it's a bad idea.
No, it's actually a genius idea and it wouldn't surprise me if we have other creators reaching
out to float plane being like, I need this.
This is the best thing ever, very, very shortly.
Yeah.
And we're going to keep trying to make it better.
We've already had some feedback about, about a few various things we're going to implement
those.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's cool.
Mika Masaki says, if you had CAD prices for your local peeps, I would buy merch.
We do.
We do.
The Canadian price is the price on the website times the exchange rate to CAD.
That's the Canadian price.
Well, look, the issue is that our costs are in US dollars.
So if our prices were in Canadian dollars, we would just be coming in every morning and
moving them around based on how the exchange rate floats, because we need to keep our margins
consistent.
So that's why the pricing is all in US dollars.
All right, let's jump into our next topic, which I think has to be Linux challenge.
Okay.
Nice.
Yeah.
How was your week?
My kids are mad at me.
Wait, why?
Because I bought them, I actually bought four copies of Minecraft Dungeons about two weeks
before we started the Linux challenge.
I bought, I bought four copies of Minecraft Dungeons and I have refused to play Minecraft
Dungeons with them for now the last three weeks, because, and this is really funny,
the Minecraft launcher on it exists on Linux.
There's actually a first party version of the Minecraft launcher that is Linux native
freaking ready to rock.
Okay.
You want to play some Minecraft, play some fricking Minecraft, play some Minecraft on
that Linux boys.
Okay.
You want to play Minecraft Dungeons?
Oh, oh, oh, yeah.
Can't help you with that one.
You better head to Lutris.
You better head over to Lutris and you better find some super out of date guides that do
not work at all.
And then when you're done with those super out of date guides that don't work at all,
you better find some really great comments that are all like, Hey, yeah, Minecraft Dungeons
is on Steam now.
So you can just play it through Steam with Proton.
Isn't that fantastic?
No, it's not fantastic.
I already paid for it.
I paid for it in the Microsoft freaking stupid launcher.
And unfortunately you can't just port your key over.
So there's no way to play it through Steam.
I have to play it through the Microsoft launcher and it won't let me install it and Lutris
won't work.
So my kids are mad at me.
They're like, why is your computer still broken?
Like, look, okay, this is complicated.
It's complicated.
Look, look, junior, it's not broken.
It's just not working.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If that makes, if that makes any sense.
So that's been, that's been a source of frustration in my household over the last few weeks.
Um, I mean, my kids were delighted when I did get Minecraft working and I, and I, and
I did get discord working and they were able to, I mean, my daughter was playing on Linux
and had no idea she's officially a card carrying Linux gamer now at, you know, however many
years old she is.
And I think that's, that's really cool.
So when I, when I talk about my frustrations, I also want to highlight how amazing and how
cool it is that this is a thing at all, because even five years ago, Linux gaming was like,
if you want to basically compile the game yourself, it's come very far.
That's one of the really big things that I've learned in this challenge is that, is that
gaming on Linux has come extremely far in the last little while I've had some, I've
had some wins and I've had some losses over the last little bit.
Um, there's been a few games that I, I just dove into expecting probably not to work.
And I did, there's also been a single game that I dove into completely expecting to work
and it didn't.
Um, so I don't know.
I was, I was blown away by how easy it was to get Anno 1800 going.
Anno 1800 was, a lot of Uplay stuff has actually been all right, which is really interesting.
You know what I want to be careful of though.
Okay.
So I just said something that I want to be, I want to be, I want to tweak a little bit.
I was blown away by how easy it is now that I have three weeks of daily driving this thing
under my belt, because it is still everything that is going to be said.
Okay.
So the part one is already out on float plane.
Part two is going to be coming out probably next week on float plane.
Um, part three is going to be probably a week after that and all of the things that I've
already recorded in those previous parts where I say, look, this is not easy.
It's all still true, but it's also true that once you orient yourself and you have some
idea of like, what are the buttons you can push?
What are the levers you can pull?
The troubleshooting process is worse than windows, but manageable.
If you're, if you're pretty techie, yeah, definitely worse than troubleshooting on windows.
But a big part of that is just documentation.
I think one of the biggest challenges for me in part three was how hard it was to find
because you're asking for so many stars to align.
You're asking for someone else to have familiarity with the program that you want to use.
You're asking for them to be using the same distro and in some cases, even the same desktop
environment, that can make a difference.
And you're asking for them to want to help you.
And finally, you're asking for them to have had all of those other stars align recently.
That's the biggest one for me.
I found a lot of guides that are from like two years ago and you try to implement it
and it's just like, wow, dependencies are all over the place.
Things are missing.
I, in a lot of, in a lot of cases, I've been able to piece those guides together.
I've been able to see the steps that they took.
And while I can't put my foot in the exact like pattern that they did, I can go down
that same path and kind of figure it out, find the same things and hack something together.
But yeah, I don't know.
I didn't expect the crew to work.
The crew.
I specifically went to go play the crew because I didn't think it was going to work.
And it worked?
And it worked.
Like effortlessly or?
Absolutely.
Effortlessly.
Wow.
I had, I had, uh, you play connect Ubisoft connect, whatever stupid renames.
I had that working.
So I was just in the launch and I was like, oh, it's just kind of scrolling through games
and I got the crew for free like years ago.
For sure.
Yeah.
So I was just like an Nvidia game or something like that.
Like a giveaway game or something.
Yeah.
So I was like, oh sure, whatever.
I installed it, launched it immediately, perfectly worked.
Sound was working.
Everything was working.
It's great.
Um, and, but then grid two didn't work.
Good.
Two is a steam game, but it's, it's something, I don't know if it's DeNuvo or what I think
it's games for windows live.
Okay.
Yikes.
Yeah.
It's, it's some DRM thing.
Sure.
I don't remember what it was.
I think grid two has problems like on windows.
I wouldn't even be surprised.
Don't quote me on that.
Don't please don't quote me on that.
I Googled it for like a second.
It came up that there was, it was a DRM style problem and I was just like, you know what,
whatever.
I don't need to play it right now.
Um, what else has been going on?
I there's, there's one thing that my, my girlfriend controlled me with super hard at will, um,
which is I don't have a media center PC.
My computer is really close to the TV, so it's really not required.
I have a, not even that long HDMI cable that just runs from my computer to the TV and whenever
we want to watch something or do whatever that requires my computer, we just switched
to that input and everything's fine.
I have the TV, TV set to disabled in my display manager so that my mouse doesn't try to go
over there when I'm not using it.
Um, even though it's disabled, if she turns the TV on while I'm using the computer full
lockup full hard lockup for, for I'd say anywhere between one to like three, three and a half
seconds.
And of course, because this is just how everything works, it'll always happen at the worst possible
time.
Can I just say that my experience with Linux desktop has not jived with a lot of what people
have told me and with my own experience with Linux on server, Linux on servers, the whole,
you don't have to restart it.
It's crazy stable, whatever it is that you're talking about.
That has not been my experience in no particular order.
I have experienced, um, the system refusing to reset correctly.
I have experienced the display refusing to go to sleep.
Yep.
I have experienced, um, failing to wake from sleep.
Uh, actually it's wakes from sleep every time for me, but so I've been, I've been pretty
good.
50 50.
I've been pretty good on that so far.
And, uh, what was one of the other really, Oh, not being able to force close apps.
That one's yeah.
That one was very surprising to me that you had that problem.
I just, I am just having, and this was a really weird one.
Unfortunately, it was one of those things that is impossible for me to have documented
because what happened was I rebooted the system and I went to sign in and it said, your credentials
are wrong.
And this was quite early on.
And I was like, there's no way my credentials are wrong.
This is a password that I have typed in a lot of times because it's, it's, uh, it's
just a phrase that I've typed a lot of times.
It's just, there's no way, but I'll try again.
Didn't get it.
Try again.
Didn't get it.
And I was like, did I do that thing again where I typo my password twice when I'm creating
it in the same way I've done it before.
It's terrible.
Terrible.
I had to reformat a windows server install that I set up, got everything exactly the
way I wanted and then rebooted and was promptly not able to get back into it.
Anyway.
I was like, did I do that again?
So I was like, I hunt and pecked it.
I was like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, and I went to, it wouldn't let me sign
in.
I was like, okay, I must've done that again.
So I rebooted it just to see, typed in my password, logged in.
I've never, I've never seen, and I swear to you.
So I couldn't record this because A, it involved reboots and B, I'm not going to record myself
using a password that I like use for my computer, a bit of a weird one.
That's just really stupid.
I'm not going to do that.
And so I can't prove it to you, but I swear to you on my mother's grave, it happened.
She's not dead.
And she probably won't have a grave.
She's more into cremation, but that's not the point.
The point is I swear to you, it happened.
And to be clear, like, it's not like windows doesn't have its own bad behavior.
I had, I had a problem with my video drivers, they got that in common.
I had a problem with my video drivers for a long time where my display wouldn't go to
sleep.
I finally solved it.
It ended up being like a bunch of Googling.
I had to go in the command line, I had to go search for what process prevented the machine
from going to sleep last, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it was a whole thing.
Anyway, managed to figure that out.
And even in part one of the Linux challenge, I showed this bizarre thing that my computer
was doing where it was like the up arrow was locked on.
So I would press the start menu and it wouldn't even let me restart it.
It would just go da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
Windows, yeah.
Has all kinds of problems.
So the windows search barely works.
Windows has had issues with sleep and wake forever.
But yeah, but before you sanctimoniously declare that Linux is so, so, so much better, maybe
just kind of kind of do a little reflection and maybe see if you're just more used to it.
Because as a user of both now, hey, yeah, they're both bad.
Both have flaws.
They both definitely have flaws. There's things that could be absolutely way better. Something
that didn't make it into into the video that I shot today. And this would have been the most
appropriate spot for it. Maybe I'll put it in part five. That's more of like a summary
is the way that fonts, fonts and text size is all over the place in my desktop environment.
Oh, not mine.
Yeah, it's just it's it's I'm not the kind of person who's
all like, oh, the lines on these, this new iconography, blah, blah, blah. Like,
I don't really care about that kind of stuff. But having fonts just like
markedly different from one window to the next is pretty distracting for me.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, it's pretty annoying. I, though, have not had the same issues that you've had with smoothness.
The actual the actual KTE desktop environment, like interacting with things,
has been great, save for Dolphin. Can I just say, if you're a Dolphin developer,
you are not going to like part three. Dolphin is a piece of garbage.
Oh, this is going to be yeah, it's going to be really interesting.
Yeah, I switched over to I forget what it's called. I think it's the Ubuntu default one.
It's called two different things. It's called files, but then it's also called something else.
It has like it has like another another name file manager Linux. I'll double check.
I'll figure out what the name is.
Maybe Dolphin just isn't for you.
Nautilus, Nautilus.
Oh, man.
Yeah, Nautilus has been has been at least better from a functionality standpoint.
But there's all kinds of like little weird,
stupid things that are not cohesive, even when it's working really well.
So, for example, I opened up a zipped file or a zipped folder rather.
Excuse me, is as I guess a zip would be a file that contains the point is I opened up a zip.
All right. And that opened up in whatever my default file decompression application was.
And in Windows or in Mac OS, you would be able to take one of those files if all you needed was one
of them, and you'd be able to drag it over into your file manager. So finder or Windows Explorer,
whatever the case may be, you'd be able to drag it over there and it would just
extract that file and it would copy it there.
Well, no, not not in KDE on Manjaro, at least. Maybe other distributions handle this better,
but no, instead you actually need to like a caveman, click extract and find the target and
extract it to there that way.
You could have just done it through command line, bro.
No. No. If I want... Look, that's something that comes up a lot. We've done a couple of streams.
Luke and I together have done a couple of streams just troubleshooting things. We did one
last night, actually, when we were trying to get this... We were trying to test this feature
and also try and get OBS updated with a plugin, which was... Boy, was that a journey. And also,
we got Anno 1800 working. So those were our missions last night that ended up taking a
total of about two and a half hours, I think. It took a little bit.
So we've done some streams. To be fair, we kind of sat there with you, like AFK and Anno,
just talking to the stream for quite a while. Yeah, that's true. The actual diagnosing portion
still, I think, was like an hour long. No, it was more.
Okay. Yeah, it was more.
Because we didn't even start streaming at the beginning of that.
Right. Yeah, we were at it for quite a while.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the point is, we've done
a couple of these streams going through some of the challenges that we've faced live. And there's
a lot of comments that come up a lot. And one of the really popular ones is just use the command
line. And I can get things done in a command line. I'll create a Windows storage space stupid array
thing in PowerShell, or I'll... As long as I have some instructions to follow, I'm not familiar with
a lot of the syntax for Linux. But you got to remember, I've been using computers since the
Windows 3.1 days. If I have to go in and cd dot dot whatever, I know the syntax for Windows so I
can find my way around a Windows command line, but I don't know the syntax for Linux. So a lot
of the time I'll end up fudging my way through it to a far greater extent. But it's not like I'm
completely incapable of using it. It's not like I don't understand the power of it. It can be
outstanding. But what the people saying that have to understand is that you are completely off base.
The average user... The average user is not... As soon as they see that, they're going to be like,
what is this? I thought this was a computer. I thought this was finished.
One of the benefits, I think there's some drawbacks, but one of the benefits of having
a bunch of different distros and desktop environments and stuff means that there can be
like no GUI, no desktop environment, command line only, really like sick infrastructure server
setups that you have, whatever, stuff like that. It's like insane uptime and whatever else.
There can also be GUI experiences that are much more advanced for very advanced users that
maybe work in the infrastructure space. And then when they want to come home,
they want to be using the same type of operating system. It's very cohesive for them. Flying
through the command line is second nature. It's basically like walking. There's all that kind of
stuff. But if we're trying to accomplish this goal that has been touted for quite a while now,
it's the year of desktop Linux. Everybody's going to be using Linux. We're going to have
massive penetration on the market. You're not going to get the whole world to use command line.
It's just not going to happen. And there are certain tasks like copying a file from
one folder to another that like maybe you're Mr. Fast Fingers and you can get that done
real quick in command line, but it's also really, really quick, especially if you know certain
shortcuts and like middle mouse clicks and stuff like that. To drag and drop.
Yeah. It's objectively faster. I will 1v1 you. I will 1v1 you copying some files from
one folder to another. Rust. Okay. Like I just, I get it. It's great for lots of things,
but some of the things that it's great for, it doesn't need to be great for. One of my issues
with Dolphin is that it doesn't allow you to copy files into a folder that requires
administrative privileges and not just you have to open Dolphin as administrator,
or you have to go into that folder's permissions and edit them. Actually, it does not allow it.
And one of the responses on the, I believe it was on the Manjaro forum. I don't want to say
the wrong thing. So I'm just not going to say where it was. It was on some forum,
but one of the responses from the community was, well, you shouldn't want to do that.
And I was like, but I do because I need to copy. Actually, it came up a couple of times
already in the first just few weeks of daily driving Linux. Once when I wanted to install
a specific version of Java so that I could get the game client for Forged Alliance forever working.
And once when I wanted to copy that OBS plugin into the OBS plugins folder.
So it's come up. I do want to do that. Now I need a way to do that. And the answer was,
well, you shouldn't want to do that. Use the command line. If you're a power user enough,
you should be able to use the command line. No, if I'm a power user enough to copy a plugin into
a folder, that doesn't mean I need to use the command line. I should just be power user enough
to go and tick a box, get administrative privileges and copy the thing. On the other hand,
I really like how Mint does it. I just right click in the folder that I need
better permissions on. That I need temporarily better permissions on. I just open as root.
And then there's this like red banner at the top that is like, you have this folder currently
open as root. And I can do that in Nautilus. Yeah. That's sweet. I actually really like that.
One of the worst gatekeeping things that we ran into during one of our community streams was
someone critiquing us for trying to get Forged Alliance working.
Yeah. Like, well, who even plays that game anyway?
Yeah. We do.
We do. That's the point.
Why would they choose that random game? Because we play it. We don't choose games based on what
runs on the platform. That is the definition of ass backwards. You choose games based on
games you want to play. And then you go with the platform that supports those games. That is how,
if you need evidence, because you don't believe me, that that is how the world works. Look no
further than Nintendo. Does Nintendo make a single piece of hardware that could stand alone as a
piece of hardware? No? Okay then. It's almost like people choose platforms based on content.
Switch is kind of interesting.
It's kind of interesting. But it also has, at this point, what, a six, seven year old mediocre
arm based processor in it. For the price, I think that if...
Also, I want to add that there is a guide for that game that we play. There is a guide that says,
like, this is how you get it working on Linux. So when we dove into it, there was some amount of
expectation that we would be able to get there. And to be fair, I got really close. I was able
to get the launcher open and there's one bug remaining that there are some kind of antiquated,
but like I was talking about before, I can probably figure it out steps to troubleshoot.
I think I might actually be able to get it working. I think it is possible, but it is a
journey because that whole guide, which is pretty long, none of it works. You have to change
everything. But again, it's a bit of an interesting experience, but it's not that
interesting experience when you're getting berated by the community. But yeah, it's cool.
I want to get it working. So my bottom line on this, my take,
and you can hate me for it, is that the Linux community needs to stop relying on the command
line as a crutch for creating user experiences that are actually usable. They can't just say,
well, the GUI doesn't need to do this because it can just be done in the command line. Because
until that attitude changes, I'm never going to be able to get my brother-in-law using Linux.
Again, though, until that attitude changes in the noob-friendly distros. Because I don't think
the Linux community needs to change as a whole. I don't think we need to noobify the elite user.
Arch is going to be arch. Yeah. And that's great.
Fine. Yeah. But there's a lot of noob-friendly distros that I think could learn a lot from...
And this is honestly, and this was something I was also going to discuss in part five maybe,
but we'll see. Maybe I'll leave it out. Maybe I'll just talk to you guys about it now.
One of the other problems that I see is that this kind of UX research that a company like
Microsoft or a company like Apple spends significant amounts of time and significant
amounts of money on, whatever the end result they end up with might be, they at least
apparently do the research. One of the things they spend so much time on is having people who
are not familiar with the product come in and use it and provide feedback. They watch them.
They watch them use it. And I mean, that's one of the things that Windows is always sending
telemetry data about is how people are interacting with the software. Do they actually use this
button? Can they not find it? Things like that. And that's something that Linux, I don't see
outside of a mega corporation like Valve coming in and doing this. That's something that I don't
see a way for Linux as a community to fix. Because one of the things about the Linux community is it's
the Linux community, not the broader internet or computer using, or just existing on this
planet community. And unless you have money, actual resources to throw at it, how are you
going to coordinate those kinds of focus groups? If I'm supposed to be, what's the one that claims
to be the most Windows-like? It's not Mint, is it? No. Mint is quite Windows-like, but I don't
think so. I think there's one that's basically- Zorin. Zorin's the one. How often, even if
they've done it, how often can Zorin really afford to round up a bunch of Windows users off
Craigslist or whatever, put them in a room in front of a Zorin OS desktop environment and
watch them, watch them try to interact with it? It's not reasonable for a project that is
largely contributed to by people who are donating their time.
Yeah. AJ, that is the worst take ever.
I feel like you get a way better experience with Linux if you start using it without a GUI,
then everything makes way more sense. We started out from the start. We're like,
hey, we're gamers. You can't game without a GUI. Okay, text adventure games.
Okay, text adventure games are real people. You can load games using a command line.
Got them. Also, I think AJ might be coming from an infrastructure developer education standpoint.
And if you are trying to learn Linux, honestly, if there's someone in the audience that is wanting
to get into an IT career, something like that, and they need to learn the Linux distro and they
want to jump into the flames, jumping into the flames without a GUI. Yeah, honestly, that's
probably a good idea because you're going to be forced to learn this stuff. You're going to get
very used to the syntax, the usability of the command line. These are going to be ways that
you're going to have to interact with these servers and you're going to have to interact
with these different environments. So yeah, you might as well jump right into it. This is the
problem with addressing these types of things because they're such a wide user. If you want
Linux desktop, you want average users, you want gamers, you want all that kind of stuff to be
using Linux, things have to be a little bit more smooth and clean with the GUI. Things need to be
a little bit more straightforward, stuff like that, because people are going to want to come
home, sit at their computer, which they haven't been at all day because maybe they don't work in
IT or whatever else or I don't know, and jump into a game to play with their friends. They don't want
to sit there for an hour troubleshooting some random thing, doing whatever else, learning
command line, doing that kind of stuff. They want to play the game. I mean, the social aspect has
honestly been the biggest impact that I didn't foresee. I knew that I was going to spend a bunch
of time dicking around troubleshooting things. I knew that I was going to spend less time gaming
than I otherwise would have, but what I didn't anticipate was that my kids are going to be mad
at me. What I think you probably didn't anticipate was how much of your gaming social life revolves
around trying the latest open beta or playing. That's not a new thing. I have always been super
into playing, and people that knew me when I was 14 know this. I used to apply to be a beta tester
for every single MMO that ever came out. Yeah, it's actually really sucked. If I was better at
using Linux, if I was more educated, et cetera, it might be an interesting experience to try to be
one of those first people to run into the wall and try to make these things work. But at that
point, you're basically like, you better be a contributor or something. That's a new hobby
right there. That's a whole new hobby. If I want that new hobby, that's a very cool new hobby.
Someone else out there might want to do this, and that's fantastic.
I don't. Do you want to play video games?
Yeah. I want to play with my bros. I was able to play one day of the Battlefield 2042 beta
because that was the one day before I installed Linux. Luckily, it was a terrible beta,
so I didn't really miss out on much. But there was still some FOMO there. I see my friends in
Discord. I know they're playing it. I don't even care that it's a trashy game.
Yeah, it doesn't matter because sometimes a game being trash is part of just being part
of the gaming community and people being like, yeah, that game's trash. And you're being like,
yeah, I know. I totally saw this crazy bug where their eyeballs popped out of their head.
Yeah, and you just troll around with your friends.
They just clipped through the wall.
The medium is almost unimportant. Yeah, it's definitely part of it. You
jump in Discord while people are playing the game and you get one of them to Discord stream
for you so you can see what's happening. At least Discord works.
That's sad. Yeah, you can watch someone else's Discord stream.
You're not totally isolated from your gamer friends.
If you try to Discord stream, no one's going to hear the audio because that's
not a feature that's on Linux. Hey, got him.
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
Oh, really? I had never tried to...
This is part of my script for the next part, so I don't want to necessarily go way too into it.
Right.
But every piece of communication software that I've used, and you can probably guess what they are,
have some form of issue with screen sharing. Every single one of them.
Yeah. Okay.
Some form of issue. Some of them are really not a big deal and a lot of people aren't
going to notice it. Right.
But some form of issue. Yeah, that's really frustrating.
Hey, Blinken says, seriously, guys, move on. This has been...
Okay, moving on. The package manager in Mint is sweet. It's actually really sweet.
Like, I'm really starting to like it a lot. I'm actually coming around to Panac as well.
Yeah. Microsoft Store is trash.
Okay. Microsoft Store is better than Panac, but...
Well, okay, I shouldn't say better. I don't know about that.
I shouldn't say better because one of the cool things about Panac is that it can
search other stores or repositories, including ones that are only sort of compatible with my distro.
So that's a double-edged sword, right? Yeah.
On the one hand, it means that I can end up with applications that only sort of work.
But on the other hand, it means that the Manjaro developers don't have to go
hand validate every single package. And I was able to get, for example, that OBS plugin.
The package that I used was... I forget if it was Snap or if it was a Flatpak.
It was not. It was not from the Manjaro official repository.
So it was something that I actually had to use Panac and override...
Or was it from AUR? I don't remember. It doesn't matter.
The point is, from something else, it did work.
I am now happily functional, which is all that I really asked.
Yeah. Someone in chat said,
I've spoken to Discord devs about the solutions to the Linux screen sharing issues.
It's just that there's very little point fixing it because so few people on Linux
use Discord compared to the amount of effort it would take to fix.
I mean, honestly, that's the biggest problem forever, because looking at...
Okay, Lutris, right? Ooh, yeah. Ooh.
Anno 1800. Okay, so Luke and I both ended up managing to install this game
via different methods, which ended up resulting in us having different versions
of the game installed, which made it so that we couldn't play multiplayer.
And you might say, well, how on earth could you possibly manage to do that?
Well, okay, here's the thing. You've got three different ways to install it here.
Okay, you've got all these comments.
Also have Git from Steam.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But here's the thing, okay?
Only 356 users have added this game to their library.
Through Lutris. Through Lutris.
And I think it's fair to say that the majority of Linux gamers are using Lutris.
I don't know that, but I would wager that.
If you want to play anything other than Steam games, and you don't want to box with wine
tricks or something like that, which I still can't quite figure out.
In fairness, I haven't painstakingly read through all the documentation or anything
like that, but it is not intuitive at all. I'll say that much.
So we're talking, there's hundreds of us, literally.
Literally.
There's hundreds of us.
And even popular games, I was blown away.
What was that one that was kind of a major esport that had almost no users?
Rainbow Six.
Siege.
Yeah. See, this is one of the problems, though.
You mentioned we installed it in different ways.
Yes.
I have had success.
I mentioned earlier in the show, I installed The Crew directly through Uplay.
Yeah.
So that wouldn't show up on Lutris.
Because the only install that would show up on Lutris for that would be the fact that I
installed Ubisoft Connect.
But then supposedly, the Lutris way was the more correct way, right?
Like when we were streaming this last night.
At least for Anno.
For Anno.
Yeah.
I got it working.
So I used Lutris to install Ubisoft Connect, rather than using Lutris to install Anno.
And then, however, the launcher integration works for that.
And so I think I had the more multiplayer compatible version, but I think Luke had the
more performant version.
That's what we think was going on, because my game actually ran pretty smooth.
Mine was definitely slower compared to running it on Windows.
Like, 100%.
100%.
I had to turn things way down, and I got it stable, but it was sucking back those resources.
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What else we got to do?
Okay, right.
You were going to talk about that comment.
I just typed a reply to him.
You typed a reply?
Oh, okay.
All right.
All right.
Let's move on then.
Yeah.
N64 on Switch.
Kind of sucks.
Why is it disappointing?
Disappointing.
No, I challenge your assertion that it's disappointing.
It's Nintendo.
What were you expecting?
Can't be disappointing if you expected poor performance.
Yeah, I have not subscribed to this.
Wow.
So surprising.
Crap.
I just refreshed this page and they're all gone.
You have them, right?
I've got them.
Thank goodness.
Why did you do that?
I didn't mean to.
I was just trying to scroll and it refreshed.
Oh, so yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
Yeah.
I have not subscribed to this, but I have heard through the power of the Internet that
it is a suboptimal experience.
I have heard that the performance is bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
It includes the following N64 games with more coming at a later date.
Dr Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Mario Tennis, Sin and Punishment, Star Fox 64, Super Mario
64, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Win Back Covert Operations.
Was that a popular game?
And Yoshi's Story.
I love how that one's just like...
It's something.
Maybe someone's a huge Win Back Covert Operations fan in the chat.
The expansion pack comes with the Sega Genesis Classics collection as well, which is $29.99.
I mean, the issue isn't the games that it comes with.
The bigger issue is that the performance is apparently dog poo.
And it's even missing some features, like blur effects are changed or absent in the
Switch versions.
They've removed fog in some areas of Ocarina, which is like...
Let's have a look.
Wow, that actually kind of kills the vibe here.
Fog was kind of a pretty big deal on N64, actually.
Well, it's how you got away with having such crappy draw distance, right?
Yeah.
But a lot of the times, really talented game developers will use those limitations to
inspire creativity.
Like boating through the fog is an experience, right?
Right, yeah.
So they take that limitation of draw distance and they make it into part of the gaming
experience, which is very cool.
Yeah.
And you can see on the Wii Virtual Console, it's fine.
It's only on the Switch version that it looks older.
Yeah, it looks really bad.
Markedly worse than on the original and on the Wii Virtual Console.
Wii Virtual Console is going to be the definitive edition of that one, for sure.
I mean, at least if we never get anything else.
Yeah, yeah.
Wow, what a disappointment.
Pretty disappointing, especially when the price hike was pretty high, actually.
Especially when the community has done so much more to preserve Nintendo's history than
Nintendo is willing to do for themselves.
Yeah.
And they want to charge quite a bit for it.
Regular Switch Online is 20 bucks annually.
Switch Online plus the expansion pack is 50 bucks annually.
Can we just get on with it and make it so that we can just buy a license for the game
and then guilt-free play it on whatever we want?
Would be sweet.
I mean, honestly, if there was any way to port my save game over, I would much rather,
like if I was going to do another playthrough of Breath of the Wild or play the expansion,
because I was kind of thinking about it because Breath of the Wild 2 is coming,
I would much rather play through it on my computer at 60 frames per second.
Obviously, because the Switch is, it's anemic.
This conversation actually reminds me a lot of that game that people didn't want us to
try on Linux, Forge Alliance Forever.
I think they do it in a really cool way.
To play Forge Alliance Forever, you have to like prove that you own a copy of Forge Alliance,
which you know what?
Sure.
I'll go buy this copy of the game and then I will have the way better experience.
Like the developers behind that are fantastic.
I'm constantly stunned by the stuff that those...
It's almost all community done.
It's almost no paid work.
And it's amazingly well done.
Like they're a very impressive, like kind of just homebrew community dev team.
Very, very cool.
But I would way rather go play that experience.
And it's really cool that I can do that.
And I'm happy enough to buy the game and the Forge Alliance devs are happy enough to do
that little verification process and make sure that I've bought the game.
And everything's all cool.
I'm not trying to pirate this game, but I would rather play the community experience
because it's just way better.
And they're actually maintaining it unlike the original developers,
which I believe have been bought out.
Gas-powered games got bought or something.
So they don't care about it anymore, which is fine.
But the community does, which is great.
And I would like to play the community version.
So yeah, some type of purchase verification thing would be cool.
Yeah.
Mr. Marker says, Nintendo should just sell ROMs on a website to use on PC,
but that would never happen.
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, never say never.
I mean, it's no secret that Microsoft has wanted to get Nintendo games on the Xbox.
And I would have said that's impossible, but I also would have said that it's impossible
for Microsoft to get Sony to bring their platform exclusives.
And yet, here we are, right?
Yeah.
So the impossible is now possible.
Pigs are up.
Black is down.
Like, I don't know.
I just don't know what world is anymore.
Yeah, yeah.
In other news, YouTube is demonetizing low effort made for kids channels, apparently.
So if your children's content is deemed low quality, encourages negative behavior attitudes,
or is heavily commercial, you will be demonetized.
This sort of content was already on the way to being removed from YouTube Kids,
but now it's actually happening on regular YouTube.
So anyone not adhering to guidelines could be booted from the partnership program.
Other protections for kids are on the way that include defaulting videos for users age
13 to 17 to private, enabling take a break and bedtime reminders, and no longer leveraging
interests data from targeting kids and adults, or for targeting kids and adults with ads.
So discussion question here is how much of the internet should be regulated and how much
is the parents' responsibility to keep their kids safe?
Ugh.
I don't think most parents are qualified to keep their kids safe.
And I run into this a lot.
And I'm not saying they're stupid people or they're bad people.
I just run into a lot of parents that don't even know what Discord is,
let alone how to monitor their kids' conversations on it.
It also takes a rather extreme amount of oversight to track what your child is watching online.
It really does.
And it's not exactly a secret these days.
Yeah, when I was growing up, my dad was tech savvy, so I couldn't get away with anything.
But most the parents of my friends had no idea how to check a history on a browser.
Oh, for sure.
100%.
So that didn't matter.
Yep.
But there's more advanced stuff than that.
And every YouTuber on the planet is talking about VPNs these days and et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.
So being able to stay on top of this stuff, yeah, it's tough.
That's very tough.
It's also a YouTube platform, and they can do whatever they want.
Yeah, well, I don't think this is what they want to do.
I think they could make more money marketing heavily to kids.
And I think that the fact that they've waited so long to do this demonstrates that that is,
in fact, what they would prefer to do.
Yeah, okay.
However, I guess better late than never.
Oh, teamseas.org.
We've apparently dropped from number fifth to number eighth.
I actually don't know how to check that.
If you open it and then scroll down a little bit and click on most trash.
Oh, okay.
Instead of most recent.
There we go.
So I'm going to find out who's the most trash.
So where are we at?
Oh, there we go.
Right there.
Oh, of course.
You know what's the funniest part of this number?
Nice.
I did not specify that.
And you know who handles the money here, right?
Yeah.
So somehow Yvonne managed to manage to work a 69 joke into our stupid donation for TeamSeas.
So if you guys didn't see it today, we just did a little video calling out TeamSeas.
Go check it out.
Basically, it's all about removing trash from the ocean.
So every dollar MrBeast's partners have agreed to remove a pound of trash from the ocean.
The goal is to remove 30 million pounds by the 1st of January next year.
So guys, go check it out.
As far as I know, this is the largest YouTuber collab ever.
So yeah.
Yeah, get on that.
Knock me off the front page here.
I'm into it.
Do it.
Yeah, why not?
Ah, what else we got we need to talk about this week?
Copyright office.
Yeah, you're so enthused about this topic.
Tell me more.
Copyright office lessening the risks of DRM on repair.
It's just that it's lessening.
That's such a whiff.
Tell me why.
Just go further.
Be harder on this stuff.
I don't know.
Like there's so much push right now.
We're seeing multiple companies embrace the idea.
Framework and others.
I'm sorry.
I just can't remember the names.
Valve.
Yes.
100%.
Yeah.
Good call.
There's that phone.
Yep.
Yep.
Fairphone?
Yep.
Okay.
Got it.
There's there's other stuff.
I think probably coming out.
Microsoft is doing that internal investigation into whether right to repair is important.
It's a little wacky, but at least they're trying.
We're seeing companies embrace the idea of right to repair, which is fantastic.
People like Lewis Rossman and others are really, really, really pushing this stuff.
Marques did a video about it a couple months ago.
You guys did.
It was very good, by the way.
Oh, I said Marques.
Yeah.
And so did you.
Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Yes, we did.
I just, I thought you misheard me.
I was adding on to it.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I wasn't asking for a pat on the back.
Marques's is really good.
Yours is really good.
There's been lots of stuff out there.
Just do it.
Don't like sort of do it.
So basically the register recommended exemptions to unlocking wireless telecommunications devices,
expanding on the devices that one can jailbreak to allow it to interoperate with or to remove
software applications and allow diagnosis, maintenance and repair of motorized land vehicles
or marine vessels, devices designed for consumers and medical devices.
On that latter point, however, they restricted the repair of video game consoles to optical
drives only.
Lame.
This is in response to a petition by iFixit and Public Knowledge complaining about how
drives and motherboards are married to each other, making repair significantly more difficult.
Right.
But you guys are missing the point.
As soon as you create a carve out for one thing, the manufacturers of these products
that have demonstrated time and time and time and time again that they're willing to actually
spend money to waste yours to build in these preventative measures to make sure that you
can't repair your devices.
They've shown they're willing to do it.
So they're just going to work around it again.
There was a there was a right to repair video made by I am very sorry if you're watching
this, somebody that I don't remember the name of, where they stacked a ton of PlayStations.
Yeah.
And their whole thing was like kind of like, oh, it's a challenge.
How many PlayStations can I stack outside in the wind?
And he has like a ton of them and he stacks this huge amount and eventually they fall
over and a bunch of them like get damaged.
And he's like, oh, doesn't matter because I can't fix them because I'm like not allowed.
It's like, wow, that's brutal.
It was actually like really good because you're like, that's such a waste when you see them
hit the ground.
Right.
Why would you do that?
Yeah.
Because they look in decent condition.
They're a little dusty or whatever.
Sure.
Yeah.
But it's just sad.
Tronics fix.
Yeah, it was a it was a really good video because it made you kind of react.
Right.
It sucks a giant tower of electronics just get wasted onto the ground without the creator
being wasteful, which was so weird.
Like, you kind of want to be mad at the guy because he just wasted a bunch of consoles,
but he didn't.
So you can't be.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's such a frustrating situation.
I think I know this guy.
Tronics fix?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I forgot his channel name, but I've watched his stuff before.
Really good.
Like, not not personally.
I just I'm pretty sure I've I'm pretty sure I've seen his stuff before.
It's good stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really good stuff.
Definitely.
Love it.
Yeah.
All right.
You know, this is really good stuff.
It is finally time for us to go through some of these.
What are we calling them?
What are we?
We didn't really.
What?
Yeah.
What are we calling these LTT store chats or whatever?
We had some ideas.
Okay, let's go with LTT store chat for now.
Okay.
And I think you're going to have to do most of them because I accidentally closed the
browser page and they're gone.
Okay.
Yeah, there's going to be there's going to be kind of a lot, but hopefully some of them
will at least prompt some some discussion here.
When you do super chats, do you often say the person's name?
I would try to anonymize it a little bit just in case they submitted theirs anonymously.
So I would just go with like first name.
Okay.
Yeah, I was going to say one of the one of the suggestions in flowplane chat was to do
first name.
So maybe I'll go with that.
Zachary says nice phone holder Linus.
When is LTT coming out with your own PC case line?
No time soon.
Designing a PC case is extremely time-consuming and challenging and ultimately it's going
to be built by the same one of the same handful of manufacturers that actually has the equipment
and expertise to build PC cases anyway.
So unless we had a really brilliant idea that we felt was a total game changer, I don't
see why we would get involved.
Ben says hello Linus.
Thanks for the awesome streams.
Can we get the file to the fold stand you're rocking tonight?
I mean, you could try tweeting at Nick Callinan because he's the one who brought it over here.
So I'm assuming he knows something about where it came from at Nick Callinan, Nick Heavy
on Twitter.
John says, thanks to your team for what you're doing.
Mape says coworker and I already bought WAN hoodies this week and he bought a WAN lanyard.
Thanks Mape.
Hey, thanks Mape.
Robert says, hey gents, hope you have a great show and a great weekend.
Jeremy says, thanks so much, been waiting for a WAN hoodie and he bought a bunch of stuff.
Alex, big order, says LGA bottle go brrr.
LGA bottle?
LGA, yeah.
LGA bottle.
Oh, oh, oh, that's right because the V2 of the water bottle doesn't have a pin grid array
socket on it.
It's upgraded, we've never actually, I've never really talked about that in the videos
or anything like that, but it's like, oh, that's a V2 bottle, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So you can show it's, yeah, it's got an LGA socket now and it's also got like memory slots
on both sides of the CP socket.
It's quad channel and it supports SLI and this old one's like AGP.
That was not actually something we did intentionally, just our designer for these is not particularly
tech savvy and doesn't really desire to be.
So the motherboard graphic that was created originally was just based on a super old motherboard
for no real reason.
And then this time around, some not as old motherboard was chosen for no particular reason.
So it ended up getting upgraded.
By the way, it's not as old as the old motherboard.
Getting upgraded, by the way, apparently a name was chosen effectively by Conrad.
It could be changed, but I actually liked this one.
It's called merch messages.
Okay.
Merch messages.
There you go.
That's what, that's what we're going to call it.
I'm going to say this guy's last name because he used it in his super chat.
Hurfin says, Hurfin's naked.
Give Hurfin a shirt.
And he bought a mystery shirt.
Okay.
Makes sense.
All right.
Yeah.
Mystery, mystery shirts a good way.
I mean, if, if you're just naked and you're desperate, mystery shirts,
it's a good way to go.
It works.
I mean, at this point, anything's an upgrade.
Mystery shirt.
Ben says ordered my WAN hoodie on Tuesday.
Would love to see video resume on floatplane.
Ah, yeah.
Yep.
And picture in picture in iOS.
Jayden wants to work on that too.
What I would like done first is it remembering where I am scrolling through the comments.
Oh.
When I accidentally turn it or lock it, that would be super, super amazing.
If Jayden's watching, I think it is.
Stop Jayden.
We'd love to hear some more updates on app development on floatplane right now.
Our app developer guy is doing tons of work on the front end for the website.
It's been really, really good actually.
Um, and there's, there's more coming and there's going to be dark mode and there's
going to be a bunch of other cool stuff.
And then we'll be diving back into the ads apps.
Sorry.
Hannah sent in a message.
Thanks Linus.
I'm a female in tech and no one ever believed in me, but you keep me going.
Well, those people sucked.
Well, what they did.
That's stupid.
What did, what did he even say?
What?
No, she, she's female in tech and no one ever believed in me.
Oh yeah.
They kept me going.
Yeah.
They right.
I'm totally on board.
Okay.
Yeah.
See, you were like, you were like, what do they say?
I just, I just didn't hear it.
I didn't hear it.
I'm sorry.
They suck.
They suck 3000.
Yeah.
They're losers.
Don't worry about them.
Um, Sean says, Luke, you made a good thing.
I didn't make it, but good job, Conrad.
Um, I'd give it a five out of seven.
Perfect thing.
I don't know if he's.
I have no idea what that means.
Let's move on.
My favorite number is 57.
I don't know if he knows that or not.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if it's like, it might be a meme.
Someone says, when are we getting the screwdriver?
Is there any updates?
Okay.
Oh, I did not expect.
Oh, is this going to be anticlimactic?
It's not in my bag.
Okay.
Like actually took it out to show it to our, uh, our logistics, uh, company that
we work with for decreasing our shipping costs to the U S was in the office.
And I took it out to show it to him and I must've not put it back in my bag.
Um, the problem is not solved, but our manufacturing partner for it is trying
to put pressure on the folks that are building the ratchets, which is the, the,
the holdup right now.
And hopefully it will be sooner than like late Q1 of next year, but no promises.
Oh yeah.
It's, it's been extremely delayed.
Yeah.
Thanks Nate.
And Jeffrey.
Yeah.
I think that I think the hoodie is sweet too.
Hexagon, all the things.
Indeed.
I'm, I'm working my way from the bottom.
So you feel free to.
Yeah.
You're doing the recent ones, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, Malik says military guy who loves tech.
Keep up the content.
You and the team rock.
Um, Ryan says I can finally order one of these.
He got a wan hoodie.
He said one of the original hoodie when you had to deal with overclockers UK,
but you mentioned they pulled out super stoked to finally get one.
They did.
It was a, it was a big, big suck move by them.
Yeah.
I pulled out at the last minute and I wanted to get pregnant.
Brian, Brian says, thanks for all the information you guys give.
Love the show.
Uh, Joel says there's a software called Argus monitor that lets you set the chassis fan
curve based on GPU temps or any other temp the computer can detect for anyone wanting
to make their own knock to a GPU cooler.
Yes.
I believe there are other softwares you can do that in as well.
But the reason I didn't, and I had some people complaining about this in the video.
The reason I didn't was because I was running them at full speed and the performance still
sucked.
So no amount of tuning the fan harpems was going to make it worth doing.
That was why I didn't bother to go down that path.
But yeah.
Okay.
Argus cool tool.
Thank you.
Peter, uh, how ho how I mean with how, uh, says loving the loving the new make my name
anonymous checkbox.
It's pronounced hoff, not how.
Okay.
My bad.
Wow.
Oh my goodness.
There's some people watching on YouTube that are really confused.
Guys, don't send super chats on YouTube chats.
These are, these are merch messages and they pop up here when you buy something on LTT
store and you go through and leave a message.
By the way, if you're hoping to have us read it out at this point in the show.
Guys, we're wrapping it up.
We're wrapping it up.
So don't do that.
But, um, that, that's what we're reading.
We are not reading super chats.
We, we said that, we said that.
I'm sorry.
Uh, Amy says, tell Adam, I said, Merry Christmas getting started on my shopping early.
He's a fan of yours.
Hey.
All right.
Merry Christmas, Adam.
Melissa says, uh, when shows are weekly ritual.
Shout out to my boyfriend will.
Can't wait to go to LTX expo, hopefully, and got two lanyards, which I think is pretty
cool.
I saw Sarah working on artwork.
Oh, I saw it on your screen.
Maybe LTX, we'll see.
We'll see.
Michael says, LGA bottle burr volume two.
Thanks, Michael.
Oliver says with a massive order, by the way, said, please make pajamas and or sweatpants.
I would love to.
So sweatpants.
Oh, those are coming pajamas.
I want to, but we're not there.
We're not there yet.
We'd have to do a completely, completely custom fabric.
Um, sweatpants can kind of, we all know you don't wear a pajamas, Luke.
Yeah.
Anonymous.
I know they probably didn't know that.
Oh, they know you're totally a no PJs guy.
Look at you.
Yeah.
Anonymous, uh, just picked up two when hoodies, uh, two tech scarves, a Northern lights, desk
pad, an insulated water bottle, and another desk pad comment.
Let's go.
Oh man.
What else we got?
Uh, Blake says, I hope these beanies in quotes and then in brackets, it's a toque.
Are you not even Canadian?
Are large because I have a big head.
Also is LMG still hiring an accountant?
Yes.
Yeah.
You're going to want to go ahead and apply for the position at linusmediagroup.com.
I said, you've missed the follow-up email after submitting the Google form.
Oh, uh, then maybe you didn't qualify.
Oh, I don't know.
Not sure.
Yeah.
I don't know.
If you don't have a Canadian work permit, I can tell you probably wouldn't have gotten
an email back.
So I said, great.
And I totally agree with this.
Jeremy says great design on the limited edition PC or no PC t-shirt.
Heck yeah.
Yeah.
It looks awesome.
Yeah.
Uh, I believe Sarah did that one.
Uh, it's cool.
I'm I'm actually, I'm pretty darn sure that Sarah did that one.
I think she did a great job.
Riley says Linus, your videos have boosted my knowledge and led me to a career in it.
Thank you.
Heck yeah.
No problem PC or no PC limited edition shirt.
There you go.
Luke bought a WAN hoodie and just commented misclick.
Okay.
Luke.
All right.
Eric says big CPU pillow.
Big chunks.
And bought a CPU pillow.
Brandon says finally and bought WAN hoodies in large and medium.
So is that one for one for the SO and one for yourself, Brandon?
Cool.
Cool.
Okay.
Are you almost through those?
Okay.
You got to start going a little faster.
LTT socks and shoes win.
Well, you have to say the name at least.
Anonymous.
Oh, bloody hell.
Killing me here.
Whoa.
Travis got a LTT lanyard orange and white and black and Aqua.
So it's going back to work on site.
Need some snazzy lanyards for my badge.
Yo dog.
I heard you like lanyards.
So I put a lanyard on your lanyard.
Color sync is.
Wow.
Oh, that's kind of smart.
Actually.
That's actually pretty sweet.
I never thought of that when we had a bunch of different lanyard colors.
Fascinating.
Cool.
Nick says, is this how we hydrate in the metaverse?
And he bought a water bottle.
Okay.
All right.
Once the world is back to normal, you should do a video on visiting Fermi National Accelerator
Laboratory.
We've got cool stuff like quantum computers and particle accelerators.
I'm sure Alex would be a hundred percent on the next plane over there.
I have toured a particle accelerator.
I filmed it.
They knew I was filming it as I left.
They said, by the way, no to all of that.
Never show it.
I was like, uh, okay.
Do I know about this?
Uh, I don't know.
Maybe not.
What?
I was there for other reasons.
And then I took vacation time and then on my vacation time, I toured this thing and
I just brought my own camera.
It wasn't filmed well, but they, yeah.
Apparently like some people thought it was okay.
And then like someone higher up heard that it was happening and was like, no, it got
like super killed.
Do you still have the footage?
No.
Oh, so they like, we're like delete that now.
Yes.
Oh, I see.
You mean?
No, got it.
Okay.
Um, Steven bought a, bought two, three packs of underwear.
Said sleeve my button these every day, all else is inferior.
That's only six.
That's not a every day unless you actually do your laundry.
Considering he's saying that he already does it, he probably already owns.
Yeah, come on.
Um, super excited for the WAN hoodie.
Keep up the good work guys from Abraham going back to my, Oh, already did that one.
Navy EMT.
What will come first?
The LTT screwdriver or Luke's crowbar hammer kickstarter?
Probably the LTT screwdriver.
Oh man.
I haven't checked in a while, but I bet you there's no update on the hammer.
Um, it like genuinely takes like half a year every time.
Subscribe to their just movies from William.
Hey, yeah.
Good, good podcast.
Good guys.
Good guys are on that podcast.
3,700 X gang.
Let's go.
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Facebook showed every post by all of them in chronological order.
And it was a good service from anonymous.
Yeah.
I mean, that last bit is still a little debatable.
Um, I liked Facebook.
When I was genuinely in high school, Facebook was happening, dude.
Okay.
You know what?
I guess that's fair.
Maybe I just came into it a little bit late.
Yeah.
I was quickly over Facebook.
I did not like Facebook anymore by the time I wasn't like post-secondary,
but like actual high school when it was brand new.
Right.
It was pretty cool.
Been seeing y'all wear the hoodie and have to have one.
Looks epic.
Please get David to model them.
Winky face.
Wow.
Got a secret admirer.
Dang.
Would like to see the sad Linus Wancho background one day.
Um, Wancho background.
I don't know.
Like my door.
A lot of people think this is a green screen.
This is, this is not a green screen.
It's not.
That is an actual wall.
And those doors are my actual ball.
I have a, I have a wall of doors, so I'm not planning to move my wall of doors to the office.
Yeah.
Okay.
You gotta go faster, Luke.
Uh, I got my water bottle at lttstore.com.
Love your products, lttstore.com.
Yoloing the WAN hoodie versus stealth.
And he got the WAN hoodie.
Um, hope Anthony likes the fit.
Oh, I'm a similar body type.
And just want to be nice.
Okay.
Okay.
I was like, Anthony's been rocking it like every day since he got his sample.
So I think he's doing all right.
He must dig it.
Um, great new feature.
Remember when it was super chat on a previous WAN show, can we get an answer on what the
process of getting WAN on float plane after it airs and why it takes longer than YouTube?
Yeah, Luke, tell me.
Okay.
You guys could have a better computer for this.
Better computer for it.
Well, what's the problem with the computer?
I emailed you this.
Oh, right.
Cause there's the encoding errors.
Yeah.
So this computer for some reason sends like over a hundred, uh, frames, which my guys
are looking at in chunks.
So that part doesn't matter, but it sends chunks at the beginning of every single stream
that are audio only, which the transcoding does not like at all.
And then there's also like key frames later on in the video that just have massive gaps
between them, which the transcoding does not like at all.
So we're working on a system that will like cleanse those problems.
Um, I don't think it's like prodded yet.
Um, but as of right now, we're going to have to like manually download the file, transcode
it locally after cleaning it.
And then I put it back up again.
Now we know that is the issue, which is an advancement.
So that's good.
So it should go up a little bit faster this time, but there will still be a little bit
of a delay.
Um, it is, it is very annoying.
We have never experienced it with any stream ever other than coming back to the office
and specifically streaming on this computer, which is the same computer we used to stream
Wanshow on.
It is not the like streaming cart that they do other streams on.
The other streams are fine, are fine.
They don't have a problem.
It's just this computer.
So I don't know.
Okay.
So we're working on it basically.
Yeah.
Next level challenge, daily drive gaming on a Mac.
No.
Hope you like playing Starcraft.
I think that works on that.
I want to play that new, uh, that new game by the Final Fantasy six dev guy, like lead
dev or whatever lead project lead.
I forget Fantasian or something like that.
Oh, I want to play it, but I'm going to wait until it comes out for a platform that I don't
have to subscribe to.
Yeah.
Cause that's on the Apple keep my save game thing, right?
Yeah.
I'm sure it'll come out for something else eventually.
Okay.
This is long, uh, from Elliot.
Hey, Linus and Luke.
First time catching the show live and first super chat.
It's, it's, it's a merch message message, um, uh, about the Linux challenge.
I know you want to do it without help, but would you ever consider a collab with a Linux
creator after it ends?
Someone like Nick from TLE Anthony knows him who has a lot of experience and great content
focusing on, uh, desktop environments and user-friendliness could be nice to recommend
for viewers looking to dive into it.
I mean, I think we would absolutely consider collaborating with Linux channels, but it
wouldn't be on this channel.
I mean, we have before we've collaborated with Wendell from Level One Text.
Who's awesome.
Uh, who's amazing.
He's the best.
Um, it's, it's just, it's not part of this content series.
This content series is about not having access to those kinds of industry contacts and trying
to go in and Google for answers and, and research it on your own.
Um, like I, I mean, I said right at the beginning of it, if I wanted, if I wanted help, I could,
I could probably contact the lead dev for half a dozen different Linux distros within
a matter of 48 hours.
If I was like, Hey, I'm going to feature your distro in a video and they would hold my hand
and basically do everything for me.
That was not what I wanted.
I wanted to struggle.
I wanted trial by fire.
And this is not a new thing for reviewers too.
You have, why did I ever get it?
You have to seek authentic experiences because you, you get kind of ambushed or sneak attacked
by, by companies that try to feed you golden samples that try to, to kind of fake-o customer
service experience.
I mean, that's why we had Janice and then Sarah act as our secret shoppers.
Um, you know, we wanted to, well, there were a number of reasons that we, that we chose
them in particular.
One was that they legitimately are not super into computers, so they wouldn't have to fake
it or like fake the things they didn't know.
Um, two was that I was, I was looking to kind of prey on any companies that heard a female
voice and assumed anything about them.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I wanted to, I wanted to, to catch any of that kind of behavior.
Um, and three is that they, at least at the time were not that recognizable.
I mean, now they're both minor internet celebrities because of secret shopper, but they were,
they were not recognizable names because a lot of the time in order to order things,
you have to give your real name.
And so we needed to find a way around that because as soon as an order from Linus Sebastian
comes into a system integrator, you can bet your bottom dollar that that is going to get
the white glove treatment just in case you should try it.
You should try to order a computer.
Stop that idea.
I mean, it's like fraud, so don't, but I think so impersonating someone it's gotta be like,
you're not allowed to place orders fraudulently and giving a false name when you place an
order.
I don't think you wouldn't put the name on the credit card.
Okay.
They'd check that the payment details would have to be different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so I don't actually recommend falsifying your payment information, but yeah.
Yeah, definitely not.
Jeremy says been doing the Linux gaming challenge with you guys.
That's actually really cool.
Um, he says all my AAA games are working great.
Only game that is borked is star citizen, uh, but that's not a significantly different
experience from windows.
Oh man.
We'll probably stick it out with Linux as long as I can.
Cool.
All right.
That's super cool.
Uh, oh, Anwar, Anwar, Anwar.
I'm going to go with Anwar said we need LTT NFTs on meta.
That's one of those sentences.
I read an article today that, uh, the, the title was I'm a millennial and I don't recognize
any of the words that they added to whatever dictionary today.
I feel like I, I recognized most of them.
It was things like zero day.
Like it's just like kind of technical terms, stuff that I know what it is.
So I wasn't like, oh, I'm so out of touch.
I'm a millennial.
But that sentence you just said is the kind of thing that, what did that even mean?
Nothing, nothing.
Yeah, I don't really, um, don't like the purchase popups in the stream.
Just use a rolling text at the bottom.
I daily drive Linux for a while now.
I usually run my system for up to three months with just hibernates, no stability issues
at all.
I never could do that with windows due to force updates to instability.
Well, um, the majority of games I've been installing on steam won't launch until I restart
my computer.
So our experiences are not necessarily the same.
There are maybe things we can change about the pop-up.
Like right now it swipes off to the left or,
Oh yeah.
Maybe it should go up to the top.
Maybe it should go up, whatever.
This is very much a gen one experience, but we're working on it.
It's fresh.
It's fresh.
Sick hoodie.
Thanks bro.
Thanks for all your team and what they do from Benjamin.
Michael says, finally, I can get a wan show hoodie.
Uh, Kayden, this is a very important one.
Says potato.
Um, sure.
Love it.
Okay.
We've made it far enough into just the like bull crap, us reading merch messages and super
chats and stuff.
Um, that I'm going to give you guys the heads up because most people will not make it this
deep into the wan show.
You guys are clearly dedicated.
Oh my, we do not have a ton of wan hoodies.
Yeah.
Um, so there's, there's a couple mentions for the hoodie coming up in a couple of videos
that are coming next week.
My expectation is that the second anyone, the second that mentioned drops, we are going
to sell out.
Um, we ordered, um, you know, whatever you guys are, you guys are the, you guys are the,
the dedicated ones.
We ordered 4,000 and we have already sold over a thousand and so far all we've done
to promote it is we tweeted once we sent out a message to previous LTT store buyers and
we wore it today.
That is it.
And that might sound like a lot, but compared to our plan, which was like the Northern lights
desk pad.
So compared to our plan where we, we, we were going to do a dedicated short circuit unboxing
when we did the dedicated short circuit unboxing for Northern lights desk pad, it was, it was
insane.
Um, and then remember for desk pad, we also had like a making of video on LTT.
So we weren't planning that for the hoodie, but we were going to follow it up with a bunch
of mentions in LTT videos.
We did two mentions, realized that the sales velocity was way too high and we were just
going to be out of stock of the thing for like four months or something like that.
So the next shipment, there is another shipment in production, but the problem is that it
is not done yet.
So it will hopefully be done in some weeks.
And then after that, it needs to be shipped here and that's probably it's heavy and bulky.
So shipping it via air is not that feasible.
It's, it's not very cost effective.
Um, so it's probable that it'll end up on a sea shipment, which means that with all
the ports and logistics delays around the world right now, it could easily be like anywhere
from, I mean, a month is normal, so it could be anywhere from six to eight, 12, 16 weeks.
I don't know once it's done production.
So if you guys want one, grab it.
Um, don't, don't feel like you'll never get a chance again, though.
This is an ongoing skew.
So if you don't have $90 right now, don't spend it.
Uh, wait, wait, just know that you're going to have to wait for a while.
Yeah.
So that second production is going to be another 4,000 units.
And then we are currently talking to the factory about, uh, like a lot more because I was blown
away by the demand.
I mean, we only sold, well, there was also that thing where you guys originally were
expecting to receive this order in August.
Like more of a summer month.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we were expecting that it was going to be like summer selling hoodies.
So we, we kind of, we kind of under ordered instead it's winter and Q4 and we're selling
hoodies.
So we, we thought we were going to already have the second shipment and we thought we
were already going to have some sales data to put together our future orders.
Um, but yeah, it's, it's kind of blown us away because I know it was eight years ago
or whatever, but when we released when hoodie originally, we only had a total of like 700
units or something.
So 800 or something like that.
I don't remember how many it was, but it was the minimum quantity.
I remember I thought it was insane that we like bought that many and like seeing all
the boxes of them.
I was like, whoa, this is crazy.
It's like over 10 times as much.
Yeah.
It's, it's stupid now.
Like LTT store is going crazy.
Um, and you guys are, you guys are, you guys are huge.
Uh, thank you very much.
Uh, so yeah, don't overdo it.
If you don't have the, if you don't have the funds right now, just don't just wait for
the next one.
Uh, but if you were like waffling, you were like, oh, maybe I'll order it next week or
next when show so that I can do a merge message or whatever, then I strongly would advise
against that.
I want you to make sure you get one now then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Zendrix super cool name by the way.
So this LTT store has the best quality shirts and he got three shirts and a wan hoodie.
Nice.
Epic anonymous, a long time listener.
First time.
Mercher, uh, love the comedic approach to tech.
I played all the days of the BF 2042 beta Luke.
Oh, got him.
Ben says, finally a shirt men actually want to wear.
Got some toxic masculinity over there.
Ben bought the limited edition PC or no PC shirt.
It is a really nice design though.
It's pretty cool.
Designed by a woman.
Just saying.
I don't think that was his calm.
I didn't know.
But it was Sarah.
Sarah does such a great job.
Yeah.
Sarah Lloyd, Bridget, Matthew, the whole team there.
Those guys are freaking awesome.
Uh, Ken, thanks guys.
Computer tech, cyber security instructor, long time viewer trying to get some credit
with my students.
If they see this comment, they get extra credit.
Oh wow, we really buried it deep in the show for Chris Johnson.
Got him anonymous.
Thank you for the excellent work.
LTT helped reignite my passion for PCs a few years ago.
I've been an avid viewer since.
Thank you.
Hey, by the way, guys, there's a, there's a cool exclusive.
That's only one day old on float plane.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
The, um, the making a prebuilt PC great again video, right?
No.
Oh, behind the scenes clip composition, clip comp part two.
Oh, Madison's been putting together some like very BS, random videos for float plane exclusives.
Heck yeah.
Check it out.
They're exactly the kind of cringe you would expect.
Uh, uh, yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, yeah.
So we're going to have to call it at some point here.
Luke, we can't keep doing chats.
I'm kind of getting there actually.
Okay.
I've got two really long ones to do.
Um, all right.
There's a, thanks for all the great, this is from Kellen.
Thanks for all the great content.
Uh, WAN show over the years and recently BTS on float plane.
Hey, heck yeah.
Uh, I've been spending the last week unsuccessfully trying to diagnose hard crashes on my desktop
that has been stable for years.
Crashes so quickly, no event logs other than boot from, uh, improper shutdown show up thinking
the 49 or 46 90 K is trying to give up the ghost.
The only, uh, visual identifier of failure has been minor HTML render issues and browsers
that flash by.
Sometimes this is a truly unfortunate time for anyone who's yeah.
For anyone who's played with dying hardware and picky taste for a replacement rig almost
swore off tech from the crashes last weekend, but it pays too well for my day job.
Might actually not be as terrible a time as you might think because if Alder Lake is as
good as Intel says that is going to shave some serious value off of like something like
rise in 2000, which is very respectable hardware still.
And you might see some upgraders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think now might not, might not actually be a terrible time for you.
Yeah.
Another one, uh, from Joel, bit of a longer one, a note on the Noctua GPU video.
There's a software called Argus.
I read that one.
I think I caught up to you then.
Oh, did you?
Uh, Nick is going to freak out if I don't show this to you guys, we have our second
edition of the leak, the Linus tech tips store newsletter.
So this is an update on screwdriver guys.
We made a lot of tough choices about our screwdriver in the two years we've been building
it.
No, we don't have a release date for you yet.
Yes, we are more disappointed than you are, but, um, there's a really cool, there's a
really cool bit in here about screwdriver bits, because that was something that we did
a bunch of research into.
Um, I know for a lot of industries, screwdriver bits are considered more of like a consumable,
right?
Like you just, you're putting them in power tools.
You throwing them away, like, you know, after a couple of days of use.
Um, but for like someone who builds PCs and that's all they do, you actually basically
forever, a feature of your bits might actually be that they last for a really long time.
Um, and because we've got these shorty bits in the screwdriver, we wanted to make sure
that if people are careful with them and don't lose them, that they wouldn't have to replace
them any more often than possible or any more often than they absolutely have to.
So, uh, Kyle actually wrote up, um, really cool little, little blurb about, um, the research
that he did into titanium bits, um, you know, whether they make any sense, whether they're
actually any better than steel, what makes them better than steel or not better than
steel.
And it's just a really cool, really cool little writeup.
Um, so you guys are going to want to make sure that you go subscribe to the Linus Tech
Tip Store newsletter.
I talked to Nick about it this week, and I think that the goal for the newsletter is
for every time we talk to you about something there to be an educational component, whether
it's learning about supply chain, learning about material science, like this one, uh,
learning about design.
Um, I think having, uh, one of the ones I suggested to him was having Sarah talk through
all of the different colors of tuques that she did not select for our new lineup and
sort of why, like, what is it about these, why do we choose these colors?
Cause it's fascinating.
And it's the kind of thing that if you're just browsing on a store, you don't necessarily
think about it as someone who might not be that into fashion.
Not that I'm generalizing about our audience, but it's quite possible that a lot of the
stuff that, um, you know, Bridget and Matthew and Sarah and Lloyd are working on could be
some of your first exposure to sort of like a higher quality garment.
We see so many comments about the underwear that are like, this is the best underwear
ever.
And it is, it's, it's good, but there is stuff out there that's comparable if you were
willing to pay like a whole ton of money for it.
Um, it's just that, you know, I get it.
Like I, I, I was a Costco shop or Costco sock shopper for most of my life.
Like I totally get it.
Um, but there's a lot to this stuff that I just never really thought about until all
of a sudden I was trying to, I was trying to lead a business that creates it.
Right.
Just get, you get thrown into it like that.
Right.
So yeah, go make sure you're subscribed and uh, give it, give it a read through.
Um, we're gonna, we're gonna try and make sure that the newsletter is not a waste of
your time.
Obviously there'll be stuff like, Hey, you should probably buy this because it's like
a store newsletter, but I want to make sure that it's content.
It's yet another content stream.
And I think that's pretty much it for Wancho today.
Do you have anything else that you wanted to jump in with?
No, no.
There's a few more orders came in.
There's a, but there's a ton more, but I did already tell people the cutoff, the cutoff
was real.
Okay.
You know what?
Thanks, Quentin, Kalador, Sean, Min, Anonymous.
Luke Ninja looted me this water bottle.
I don't even know what that means.
I don't know what Ninja loot means.
No.
Really?
That's like actually terminology.
Brandon, I may spill something on my first one.
Getting another.
I have the money.
Not worried.
Thanks guys.
All right, Brandon.
Thanks, Randy.
I work in IT.
Can I get a button down shirt?
We have a short sleeve party shirt coming.
Um, I don't know if that's quite applicable.
A party shirt?
You haven't seen it.
It's actually pretty cool.
Boy, it's pretty cool.
It's very comfortable.
Um, Anthony, long time viewer.
Just wish pickup was an option.
So I do kind of want to do an LTT store, not com.
I want to call it that.
Nick, are you watching LTT store?
Not com will be our retail location.
It's funny.
It's pretty good.
It's funny.
It's pretty good.
I do want to do a physical location here in Vancouver.
And I would like to offer pickup if we do that.
But man, commercial leases here are absolutely insane right now.
Jagger, I talked about the secret labs chairs when we did, um, when we did ox's, uh, extreme
tech upgrade.
Awesome.
Oh, Nick message.
Nick message.
What's he saying?
What's he saying?
He says LTT, LTT store, go f yourself.com.
Thanks, Nick.
I don't think he likes my branding idea.
Uh, Jamie, thanks for the heads up on limited availability.
I was going to do it next week, but I can do it now.
Heck yeah.
Jamie, uh, anonymous, have a few cookies tonight.
Uh, Todd, great show tonight.
So I have to see you both together.
Love the updated hexagon design.
Heck yeah.
Somebody bought the limited edition, uh, PC or no PC t-shirt and four different colors
of lanyards and just said, cool.
Cool.
All right, cool.
Patrick, uh, with Alder Lake not being square.
When can I expect my bed sized CPU pillow?
We do have some other, uh, CPU pillows coming, including a team red one.
So, uh, stay tuned for that.
I don't think we have an Alder Lake plan yet.
Thanks, Andrew.
Thanks, Robert.
Um, thanks, Michael.
All right.
We really do have to call this at some point.
People are ordering faster than I can scroll.
So, uh, Raphael, when will the new Mac books be reviewed?
So, uh, Jonathan's been working on it.
He's our Mac address host.
Um, Anthony's been working on it.
He's doing the LTT angle and I have not even really looked at them yet other than to be
like, Ooh.
So we're working on it.
Thanks for tuning in guys.
Hope y'all enjoyed the show.
We'll see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel, terrible channel.
It's a bad channel.
Same bad channel.
That's rude.
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