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We've got a great show lined up for you today.
We'll be talking about... okay, this is not a major topic, but it's pretty unusual and
comical.
A woman was caught trying to smuggle CPUs into China under a fake pregnant belly.
Like a lot of them.
We'll be talking about that.
Well, ARK GPUs are getting a massive upgrade in performance, particularly in games that
use older APIs.
We're going to be talking about that.
What else we got?
And, uh...
This one's a big topic, why don't you care about this topic?
Wait, which one?
You have no love for this topic at the top.
Where are you?
The highlighted one.
Oh yeah, a Nintendo DMCA's YouTube documentary about a dev's pitch for a 2004 Zelda game
that didn't even get made.
And there's, like, reasons why this is really weird.
We'll talk about that for sure.
I don't want to talk about the Bill Clinton thing.
I'm going to continue conversations about GPT, because you're stuck here with me no
matter what, so I'm going to do it.
Alright?
I mean, that's fair.
Yeah.
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I think the first one has got to be the CPU smuggling story.
The pictures are just wild here, alright?
This was so random.
I jumped onto the forum to check out the tech news section, as I do sometimes, to see if
we can find anything more for WAN.
And I came across this, posted by Big Strunes, thanks Big Strunes, tries to enter China with
over 200 Intel Alder Lake CPUs hidden inside fake pregnant belly.
This wasn't like a couple.
That's so many.
Okay, these are Alder Lake CPUs, so these are high-end chips.
We are talking somewhere in the neighborhood of, hold on a second, calculator, 200 times,
let's say they're not even top-tier chips, like maybe like 400 bucks or something like
that.
We're talking like, with the iPhones, nearly 100 grand worth of merchandise under this
fake baby bump.
And apparently, the way that they caught her was that she claimed to be five months pregnant,
but obviously-
Someone well-informed.
Yeah, obviously had neither ever actually been pregnant, nor ever seen a five months
pregnant person, because her belly was absolutely huge, and she was apparently walking effortlessly,
which caused a lot of suspicion.
Interesting, okay.
So after careful inspection, the customs agents discovered she had used duct tape to fix and
hide smuggled goods beneath the fake silicone belly.
So 202 Alder Lake CPUs and nine iPhones.
Not a baby.
The original source here, wait, where's the original article?
Overthought 3D is at least one of the sources, so we've got that.
The next paragraph goes in to say, the strangeness about this situation, aside from the obvious,
is that customs would have eventually noticed the components and phones once Zhao walked
through a metal detector.
Do they have pregnant women walk through metal detectors?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
So like, what the heck?
Yeah, there's nothing about a metal detector that would cause any kind of-
Ma'am, your baby is metallic.
Yeah, exactly, right?
How could she have possibly thought this was going to work?
I think that another really kind of key part of this conversation is what is the deal with
sneaking CPUs into China?
There are, okay, well, there are a couple of answers here.
Let's talk about the more traditional reason to smuggle electronics into a country.
One of the things that I heard through the grapevine, allegedly, allegedly, was that
the online site, which I don't believe exists anymore, or if it does, it's under completely
new management, none of the people who would have been involved in this scheme would still
be there anyway, but allegedly, Tiger Direct, okay, e-tailer that you guys probably remember
from the days of ZipZoomFly, M-Wave, all right?
Back in the day, I'm talking about, okay, the big four were Newegg, Tiger Direct, ZipZoomFly,
and M-Wave, like back in the early to mid 2000s.
And allegedly, Tiger Direct, one of the ways that they were so successful was through taking
advantage of Intel's MDF programs to a degree that just no one seemed to be able to figure
out or care why they were doing so well.
Okay, so they were based in Florida.
As far as anyone outside could tell, they weren't really selling that much online.
Newegg was based in California, and as far as anyone could tell, was selling a lot online,
but Tiger Direct always seemed to sell a lot of Intel CPUs.
And what was really unusual, so said the word through the grapevine, what was really unusual
about it, was that it was a really different skew mix from all the other major online sellers.
Because typically, especially back then, high-end would sell really well online.
Like at NCIX, our best-selling cards were like your 70 series, 80 series cards, like
for on the Nvidia side, like your high-end GPUs.
Whereas someone like, I remember talking to my Zotac rep way back in the day, and he was
saying, you know, oh yeah, you guys are like the biggest seller of high-end cards for us
in the country.
And I'm sitting here going, we sell almost nothing, how do you even have a job?
And he was like, oh, well, we sell a ton of like sh**-tier cards, but it's all through
like Best Buy or whatever else.
And that's pretty typical.
That's why when you walk into a retail store, they don't have like $6,000 AVR receivers
on the shelf, because just the density of customers who are gonna buy that sort of thing
is not high enough.
They're not just walking into a store for that.
It goes through installers, like VARs, value added resellers, or it goes through online,
like online boutiques where if you're able to cover like half of a fricking country,
you could manage to, you could afford to keep three or four of those in stock.
You know what I mean?
You can't just put them at 250 locations and what, just one each, you're gonna have at
least two or it's not really in stock, is it?
So it was typical for online sellers to sell a lot of enthusiast tier hardware and for
retail sellers to sell a lot of low end.
Now, Tiger Direct had retail stores, but so much of their sales, it's like Celerons, Pentiums,
like low end stuff.
And what I heard was that the reason for that is that anytime they needed to hit an MDF
target or pump up their volumes through Intel so that they could get marketing funding,
is they were buying like literal containers of CPUs.
And then they were going on to container ships down to Brazil.
Oh, okay.
So a bit of a different operation, but same idea.
Different operation, same idea.
And the reason for that is that Brazil has absolutely like, I don't know how to say this
without using cuss words or just unbelievable import tariffs on electronics.
If you see a Brazilian, like an actual Brazilian who lives and works in Brazil holding an iPhone,
they are a baller because everything, all electronics just have these wild import tariffs.
And it's so frustrating because you look at it and you go, why?
Like, okay, sure, you want revenue for your government or whatever, but maybe how about
something more reasonable?
And then people could actually afford any of this stuff and import volumes would go
up and like, probably it's a net gain all around.
And then you have better technology in the country and that's good for entrepreneurs.
Like there's obvious reasons for less friction when it comes to international trade, particularly
around electronics.
But I don't know, anyway, the point is the smuggling operation that allegedly was taking
place out of Florida was at least understandable because if you could get those CPU's into
the country, even though you were gonna have to find people who are gonna like buy them
like cash price under the table or whatever else, the difference in cost between a smuggled
one and an officially imported one, it's like double or something like that.
A prime is saying that it's apparently been to promote in-country manufacturing.
Yeah, but that's not gonna happen.
As far as my understanding goes, it didn't really work.
I mean, they've been at this for how long now?
It's not happening.
Very long time, yeah.
Intel ain't putting a fab in Brazil.
I remember really old school, like I watched this really old school, like mini doc on smuggling
Xboxes into Brazil, like original ones.
Like this is an old topic.
Yeah, not a new thing.
Anyway.
But so someone brought up that this is maybe to get around some of the Trump introduced.
Well, there's no single American administration to blame for this at this point, but there
are significant export restrictions on electronics into China.
Yeah.
And so if you simply, whether it's a high import tariff that drives up pricing or whether
it's a shortage that means you simply can't get them.
I mean, we've seen around the world, nevermind just in Brazil or just in China, we've seen
around the world what people are willing to pay to get their gaming fix if there's a shortage
of something like say, for example, GPU.
So this $80,000 worth of CPU's, I don't know about the iPhones, that one I can't really
figure out, Apple sells in China.
I don't know.
There's other stuff that I really don't get.
Like it always kind of blows my mind when people will travel to Vancouver and like go
shopping downtown at like Fendi or Gucci or whatever I'm sitting here, but you don't have
Gucci where you're from.
Maybe I'm totally off base here.
Maybe it's just like a mindset thing when you're traveling, you're just like, yeah,
I already spent $4,000 to be here.
So what's another two grand on a bag?
I don't know.
I don't understand the rationale behind it.
Apparently Apple is now assembling the iPhone 13 in Brazil, but not the iPhone 13 mini.
Okay.
So they won one.
They won one.
They got one.
How's the rest of it going?
Just ridiculous.
Sweet.
But yeah, I just thought that was funny.
Yeah.
So we've seen what people will pay when there's a shortage.
So it's possible that this $80,000 worth of CPU's is worth, I don't know, a hundred thousand,
150,000.
I mean, clearly there was money to be made if she was going to risk, I mean, jail time
making an attempt like this.
Can I help you?
Sorry.
I got it.
We're fine.
Yeah, no, it's.
And this has got to be pretty much guaranteed jail, right?
Trying to smuggle over a hundred grand worth of something into a country.
Yeah, I would think so.
The amount of money involved.
I'm pretty sure that would throw you into jail here.
Yeah, that's a lot of money.
So I don't know what kind of desperate situation she's in that she feels like she has to do
this, but I hope for the best for everyone involved.
And I think it's time for us to move on to our topic number two.
Yeah.
What are we going to talk about next?
Intel Arc.
All right.
There's some stuff going on.
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Arc GPUs get DX9 support.
And Luke refuses to update his drivers.
I do, actually.
As part of the Arc challenge.
I am taking a stand.
Let's talk about that first, then let's talk about how much better these drivers are.
Okay.
So we got an email from Intel.
I'm not complaining about the fact that I got an email, just to be very clear.
The person who sent it is a very nice person.
It was worded nicely.
There's no issues with the email.
We got an email telling us that there was this new driver, so I was like, okay, cool.
I clicked on the link, went to go download it, then I was like, wait, I complained about
Arc control, Intel's overlay software thing.
It's very annoying.
It's extremely annoying.
Don't you just love how when you turn on your computer, you just can't use it for a while
until Arc control decides to load and then you can make it go away and then you can use
your control on your computer?
Even Microsoft's own built-in notification pop-up things in the bottom, they sit over
top of the expanded system tray.
You cannot interact with anything in your system tray.
So if your computer has been to sleep for a while and it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom, I'm trying to use my computer.
Nothing, nothing should sit over top of me interacting with my PC.
Anytime I am doing something like I run into this with like text, text input, for example,
if I am typing right now, you do not put a window, a focus window in front of me with
a highlighted okay button, for example, in the event that I maybe press space bar or
enter, either of which will activate it and have no idea what just happened.
That may not happen.
And yet it does.
Sorry.
That's an aside.
No, that's completely fine and very valid.
But yeah.
Okay.
So I left the email, I went to art control, went to go check if I could get an update.
I also wanted to make sure that didn't like automatically update without me being at my
computer or something.
So art control does display in the top corner, what version of the driver you currently have.
Okay.
I'm still on the old one.
Cool.
First one check.
Then I go to the driver page on art control.
This page has not changed at all.
There's still the big banner.
I complained about this in the video.
There's no like update button that you would expect from a piece of software like this
that updates your driver for you, which is like the entire reason why most people would
install these types of pieces of software.
Because that's the main value add that they have.
But that button doesn't exist.
There is a banner image that says like download here thing.
And it talks about warzone 2.0 in the banner image.
So I clicked on that being like, maybe they forgot to update this picture, because that
is the same picture that has been there since I installed my card.
I click on that.
It brings me to an article about the warzone 2.0 driver update thing that they had, which
is the same page that was there when I first installed my card.
So I'm like, okay, so they haven't updated anything.
I must've gotten like an early email notification.
That's not a hundred percent fair to a user experience.
So I don't really want to update right now, but just out of curiosity, I clicked the download
now or whatever it was called button.
And it brought me to the correct download page.
So that link was working.
It brought me to the new driver, but I was like, there would have been no reason for
me to click this because nothing led me to think that there was a new driver until I
clicked this button.
So I would not have done that if I didn't receive the email.
So I exited out, informed them of all that kind of stuff.
A few different web, like review sites, written sites, wrote articles on it.
So maybe if you were quite the techie and followed a few review sites, you would have
seen it that way and been able to update that almost justified it for me.
But I was like, I still haven't been told by user by Intel as a normal user that this
thing exists.
So if I just followed tech to get my parts list and then built my computer and then ignored
it, which is pretty normal.
That's very normal.
We see a lot of that.
There's a ton of that.
That's what I used to do.
Yep.
I would not know that this driver update just happened a hundred percent.
There's no way that I would have known.
They told me that I would be getting a notification for it.
Maybe I did.
I loathe the ARC notifications.
So I purposely ignore them as much as possible because it makes me really mad.
So maybe I got one.
Maybe I got one while I wasn't at my computer.
Just sending one notification is not good or acceptable.
A way that I've seen some things do it before is your tray icon updates with a little light.
Like exclamation mark or a dot or something like that's a better way to handle it.
There's something here.
And then when you click on that, it should tell you when the screen comes up, like, Hey,
there's a new driver.
Yeah.
Because the driver update is basically the only thing that I want to hear from you.
If you are a graphics card manufacturer, nothing else matters to me.
Not at all.
And you can pack some other stuff in when you send me to your driver update.
You can have some billboards along the way.
While I'm installing the driver, you can tell me about some game bundle you're running,
but like, realistically, if I'm installing your software and you are a first-generation
company, right?
So this is Intel's first generation of GPU.
If I own your product, there's nothing to upsell me to.
I already own it.
You don't have to market to me like with Nvidia.
I kind of get it.
You install their drivers and it's like the new RTX blah, blah, blah has blah, blah, blah,
or whatever.
And it's like, yeah, sure.
Fine.
Fair enough.
But with Intel, I already have your one fucking card.
So unless you're making it better, I'm not interested.
Or you know, they'll have, or like, uh, we have a game bundle now, buy a whatever and
get a whatever.
I don't care what I'm going to go buy a second.
No, I'm going to go buy the game.
I even thought this was kind of funny.
If you, if you have the art control software, there's a giveaway that they were doing where
you win a computer with an arc in it.
And I'm like, I have, I have, I have one of those.
It's like being at Disneyland and they let the prize is a ticket to Disneyland.
You want a ticket to Disneyland that you have to use today?
Yeah.
It's like, I mean, to be clear, I sure I'll go stand outside Disneyland and scalp it like
I guess, but you might as well just give me the cash at that point.
Yeah.
Like you're giving me another arcing card that I can sell.
It would have even made more sense to me if it was a system without a GPU and they were
like, Hey, you get to upgrade the rest of your rig.
Now here's the latest rig to put around your art.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like that would have made more, but it was like, Nope.
The main selling feature was that it came with an art and I was like, I have one already.
Come on.
But I mean, I'm not going to dog on them for giving away free computers to people.
That's cool.
It's a good, it was just funny.
That's all.
But okay.
So yeah, I still have not updated to this new driver despite knowing that it's apparently
actually super awesome and we'll get into that in a second.
But I'm kind of holding onto the stance of that.
I'm not going to do that until arc control.
My arch nemesis, as far as I can tell at this point is going to inform me in some reasonable
way that there is actually an update, which it hasn't done so far.
So I'm just going to keep trudging around on the, the old driver,
uh, LBS seven 25 C and float plane chat says, Luke, do you have Intel support assistant?
Every time I boot my PC, it tells me about the new arc driver.
I'm pretty sure I do, but, but again, like arch nemesis, that's pretty good.
Um, I don't, I, okay.
First of all, the, the arc control notifications cover all other notifications.
So if it's informing me, it's true.
When I turn on my computer that that's happening, um, what's the point in that also I have learned
that arc control just disables my whole computer while it's loading.
So when it does that, I leave, I'm not kidding.
I leave my computer.
And that's not me just being like, I'm going to ignore this notification.
That's what I've been doing the whole time before I got this email, everything I wake
up in the morning, I do work from home.
So one of the first things I do is I turn my computer on, uh, just so I can make sure
like, I don't know, it's going to boot because I need to be there for meetings or whatever
else.
So one of the first things I do is I turn my computer on and then I go like get breakfast.
So what I've done since I installed arc is I get my computer to the point where our control
is going to rip control of my own computer from my hands until it finishes loading.
And I leave and I grabbed breakfast and I come back to my computer and then it's done
booting up and I eat.
Some people are calling Luke petty over this, but I actually disagree.
Luke is trying to experience the product as he would experience it if he wasn't a member
of the tech media.
If I did not directly get emailed that message, which again, I'm not complaining about receiving
the email.
Yeah.
I'm just saying if I didn't receive that email, um, yep.
It's good.
Um, and it was well explained as well written, like nothing went wrong there.
My whole complaint is purely with art control that he wouldn't have known.
So the idea is actually just to maintain the integrity of the challenge, which is that
if he wasn't on an email list, then he wouldn't have known because like when we did the Linux
challenge, we didn't take help from Linux community members that would not have given
us help.
Yeah, we could have.
I would have, I come on, like think about the way that the Linux community wants to
promote Linux and they, and they do.
And that's a good thing.
It's good.
It's overall a good thing for the world to promote Linux, which is a big reason why we
did the challenge in the first place.
So but with that in mind, so through that lens consider with the reach that we have
and how much attention, how many eyes were on the Linux challenge, how much support the
Linux community would have thrown at me personally to fix a problem that I had.
But that was not the purpose.
The purpose was to experience it as though I was not me and not broadcasting these challenges
to a million or 2 million people.
And I think that's, I think it's an important perspective with that said, looking at these
numbers, I will be installing that driver first thing when I get home.
And I want to, cause this is sick and I have to give them props where props is due.
I mentioned in an email back to them about this stuff cause I informed them of everything
that I just said because I want to give them the opportunities early and often to do cool
things.
But I informed them that like we, we actually played star citizen.
I straight up did not expect it was going to work like at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was expecting that we were like throwing it under the bus and then it was fine.
Well it was as fine as star citizen ever is, but yes, it was, yeah, it was a little choppy
here and there, but it was on my old card as well.
And I almost got stuck in my ship again.
But that's normal.
Like there was nothing that I was like, okay, this is Ark's fault.
It was just like, okay, this is playing star citizen in 2022.
So I was quite impressed with how well it did that.
It's been completely fine in Halo since I turned off reflections.
I've actually had very, very few problems in game over the last little while.
And this is a huge performance jump.
Yeah.
I mean, on the one hand, like I kind of want to talk about Intel's 1.2 gigabyte driver
downloads and, and the slow servers that they are serving them from.
But on the other hand, man, if they're going to pack this kind of a feature improvement
into these drivers, I guess I'll get over it.
I'll download five gigabyte driver updates if you're going to do that.
What we're looking at here is DirectX 9 games and their relative performance going from
driver 3490 to driver 3953.
This is based on 1080p high and 1440p ultra settings across six games.
So over here, this side is 1080p, this side is 1440p.
And it's not clear if we're looking at, you know, one percentile minimum frame rates or
if we're looking at averages or whatever else, but there's no denying that these are substantial
improvements.
I mean, CSGO has been an extremely sore spot for Arc performance, well, really since the
very beginning and a 1.79 times performance improvement is enormous.
Like we joked in our review.
We said like, Hey, Intel couldn't help noticing, bud, that your brand new GPU is getting outperformed
by a card from, I forget what it was from like eight years ago or something like that.
And yeah, it was a high end card and this is a mid range GPU, but still yikes.
Well, this at least puts Arc within, you know, modern GPU performance, even if it's not going
to be at the top of the charts, this is enormous.
The bigger news though, the cooler news is how this happened.
It's not like all of a sudden they managed to make the Arc texture of the 700 series
cards better for DirectX 9, it's actually still running.
I guess it would be Vulcan, I guess.
Yeah, it's still running Vulcan, which is a modern API and Arc has always been solid
for DirectX 12 and Vulcan games.
It's just using a translation layer.
I'm not sure if it's Vulcan.
It might actually be translating to DirectX 12.
Don't quote me on that.
The XVK?
Yeah.
No, it would be Vulcan, right?
I think so.
Oh crap.
I think we're getting this wrong.
Guys, guys jump in if we're getting this wrong, but I'm pretty sure, so, sorry?
It's Vulcan.
It is Vulcan.
Oh, good.
Okay.
So they're using what is actually like one of the foundational components of, what would
you describe it?
How would you describe it?
Well, what's Valve's name for their...
Proton?
Yeah.
Proton.
Do they still call it Proton?
I think so.
I thought they might've rebranded it.
But it's one of the foundational elements of Proton, which is what Valve is using to
take DirectX games that were never designed to be run on Linux, convert them on the fly,
as you are gaming them, gaming them, as you are playing them, into Vulcan.
So is that wild or what?
Yeah.
DXVK, Vulcan-based implementation of D3D9, D3D10, and D3D11 for Linux slash Wine.
For Linux slash Wine slash Windows.
Apparently.
Yeah.
That's cool.
So Linux API hackery being used to make Intel's...
Like 79% performance increases in CSGO on Windows.
Yeah.
That's sick.
Like anything else in the world whereby instead of running it natively, running it through
a translation layer gets you an 80% performance improvement.
That's pretty wild.
So I think what we saw, I don't know if it was one like first percentile, whatever stuff,
but apparently it was a 2.3 times boost in 99th percentile FPS in CSGO.
Okay.
Ptorz says they aren't just using DXVK, but their code contains some components of DXVK.
And no, it's not related to Proton other than that Proton also uses DXVK.
I know I said that DXVK was one of the foundational elements of Proton.
Is open source cool or what?
That's pretty sick.
This is a very, very good use of it.
I'm very happy about this driver update and I hope it treats you well and we'll see if
I get to use it at all.
Apparently it's an even bigger boost to 99th percentile FPS.
That's what I was just saying.
And then Shrout tweeted about it's 2.3 times.
Oh, did I totally miss that?
You did.
That's okay.
I'm sorry.
I was checking some what people are saying in chat.
There was some, okay.
I want to address that really quickly.
I'm going to go off the rails.
Actually.
Hold on.
Can I go off the rails really quick here?
Sure.
It's not that I ignore him.
Okay.
People thought I was so...
Oh, are we talking about the same thing?
Go for it.
No, you do it.
You do it.
I was going to say it's, people keep saying like, Oh, like there was a lot of comments
about this on our GPT chat.
They were like, Oh, Luke's talking about stuff and he's ignoring them.
That's not how it works.
We both do the same thing and it's always worked this way.
And I'm sorry, but it's always going to work this way.
If the other person is talking, the other one is going to be trying to either listen
because they know they're going to throw back with something and they know they can continue
the conversation, or they're going to be doing something to try to find ways to continue
the conversation after that person is done talking.
In the GPT conversation, he was typing stuff into GPT, getting examples to show on screen,
learning about it.
I was creating an account.
Yeah.
He's like doing things in order to keep driving forward.
It's not, it's not that we're ignoring each other.
We don't just sit here and like think about bananas or whatever.
Like if I'm on my phone during the show, he's doing something.
I could, I can tell you, you can be damn good and sure that what I'm doing is either something
that is on fire and I must be aware of, or it is related to the show.
Yeah.
So you might not be like dragging on the every word of the other person, but we're still
engaging.
I would never drag on every word you say.
That's probably fair enough.
I think the word you're looking for was hanging on.
Draw on?
To hang on?
Sure, there we go.
I got there.
It's probably good that he doesn't because then there'd be more of those.
I would tease him so much more.
But yeah, like don't, don't worry about it.
It's fine.
He's not like, I know I had so many people diving to defend me and I'm like, it was never
a problem.
It's like weird gamers.
Like I appreciate that you, you care.
But I'm fine.
It's going to be okay.
Oh man.
But yeah, like it's, and there was some people that pointed out like, yeah, I mean he was
writing prompts to GPD, whatever, but like, yeah, those things happen.
It's okay.
It's fine.
I do the same thing.
Just everything's all good.
Yeah.
We're actually okay.
Yeah.
One of the other things that's okay is the best way to send messages to the show is using
merch messages.
Why don't we do a couple and then if you guys have anything you want to pick up on LTD store
or if you just want to pick up a gift card so you can send in a merch message, don't
use super chats, don't use bits, don't use anything like that.
Use merch messages because that way you can throw money at us just like any other live
show.
And then magically you will get merchandise in the mail in a while.
Yeah.
I mean it's December, so like, you know, it'll show up, it'll show up.
And we do have something to talk about on the show today.
Linus plushies have been moved to the bonus bin.
It is unlikely we will bring these back.
So you are going to want to tack one onto your order while you are there.
For those of you who have forgotten, Linus plushies are, Oh, actually, you know what?
I might as well show you how to use the bonus bin.
So if you were going to pick up a screwdriver, it would add to your cart.
Look how wonderfully this website works.
Oh yeah.
Then you would expand the bonus bin and you can grab anything from the bonus bin.
We've got cute little shoelaces that come in a power supply thing, the 2022 sticker
pack and the Linus plushie.
Go ahead.
You get one.
Throw that in there.
Yeah.
You only get one.
You can see the thing.
The thing goes away.
So that's the promotion for this week.
Go check it out and send in a merge message.
If you want to interact with the show.
All right.
Oh yeah.
Want to throw us a merge message, Dan?
Sure.
I got one here from Dimitri.
Linus.
How's your knee after the fight?
I've had a torn meniscus repair surgery in the beginning of this year and recovery.
Wasn't fun.
Um, fortunately it wasn't torn, torn again.
It just felt like it's been a bit of an ongoing thing for me.
It just felt like the existing not perfection of it was aggravated.
So there was a span of, I was limping for a day or two in enough pain that it was hard
to sleep for three to five and in enough pain that it was hard to enjoy myself properly
for a couple of weeks.
Um, now I have pretty much forgotten about it.
Um, and I'm pretty sure I can do my thing.
This is my, is my knee.
Okay.
Test.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I know what this is.
Yeah.
Are they going to be able to see very well?
So I basically go, okay, how are we feeling?
Jump on the knee.
Okay.
I should be able to go all the way down and all the way back up.
So that was just in case you can tell those like a single foot squat.
Yeah.
If I can do that without agonizing pain, then it's, it's great and I will not complain.
Not even a little, but there are times like it's definitely not a hundred percent.
And particularly when, what, what kind of, what kind of force would like this be called
like lateral force or like, yeah, so if there's lateral force on it every once in a while,
because it feels so good day to day, every once in a while I will do something.
So there was a big hunk of ice at the back door there.
Um, and I went to just like, kick it with my left foot from the side and it went, nope.
Not that.
Not a hundred percent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But as long as I don't do that, uh, it's like really good.
That feels really similar.
This is not a tech topic, but that feels really similar to my shoulder thing where like it
feels fine all the time.
And then I'll draw really far back to throw something and I'm like, Oh yeah, I can't do
that.
All right.
Yep.
Uh, when I say enjoy myself properly, uh, I mean, uh, I played badminton recreationally.
That's like, that's my main game.
And if I, if I can't, if I can't play badminton at the level that I want to play it, it's
pretty frustrating for me.
I don't, I don't like being injured.
So I'm always like, I'm one of those people that I'll be like, uh, I had a, um, a rotator
cuff problem that, Oh man, that one plagued me for a long time.
It wasn't until my, um, my, my brother-in-law actually like told me how to fix it because
like doctors I talked to were just like, Oh yeah, I don't know.
It's like sore, I don't know, massage and just like wait for it to get better.
And it would just never get better.
And finally he's like, Oh yeah, that's like, that's like, okay.
As long as it's not like a, you know, career ending, like horrible, horrible one, that's
a super easy fix.
You just have to be on top of it, like zero weight, like do this, just do this, do this,
do this, do this, just like, just forward, backward.
And so I'm the kind of person that's like obsessive when it comes to trying to recover
from an injury.
So I'd be like driving and I'm like literally all the way to work because you need those,
you need like many, many, many, many, many repetitions with zero weight, uh, in order
to like build up the muscle.
So the thing can actually even recover.
Um, so I tend to be, I tend to be the same way, actually someone just said this in chat,
this is not medical advice.
This is not medical advice at all.
Not even a little bit.
It worked great for me.
It might completely destroy your body, consult a doctor, consult a physio, put them, put
them together in a room and have them argue it out to figure out what the best approach
is for you.
All right, there you go.
This is not financial advice either.
I am not a financial advisor.
For legal reasons, he actually said nothing.
It was silent for the last 10 minutes.
Negev says, I'm surprised BC doctors didn't know what to do.
Well, it's not that it was that at that time I didn't even have a family doctor.
It can be quite challenging getting a family GP these days and there's a number of complicated
reasons for that.
But the point is that as far as I could tell, the clinic physician that I was seeing just
didn't care.
There you go.
Um, I have a good doctor now though, which is, uh, for, for hopefully she doesn't like
get hit by a bus or something, but yeah, she's just hard to like appointments are all three
weeks out, whatever else, but I don't know.
People want legal and relationship advice now.
No, no, no, no.
The show's over.
Show's a Dan.
End it.
End it.
Cut it.
Linus legal tips.
No.
Um, do you want another one?
Uh, sure.
Sure.
I got one here from Austin.
Uh, Luke Linus, when you first started having extra cash to spare as an adult, what was
your first luxury purchase?
For example, mine was Spotify premium and he really wants to hear Luke's answer.
You know, mine actually.
Ah, hold on.
You might have forgotten.
It's been a long time.
We've known each other for a long time, but you know what it is?
PB monitors.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
Yes.
Well, you should probably give them a little more detail.
So my, my like one of the first things I, man, I'm good.
I had these two really old monitors.
You can actually see them.
I think if you go to the original oil cooled computer video that we did, that was in my
like room thing when I used to go to BCIT it's a, it's actually a pretty funny video.
I'd suggest checking it out, but I had these old junkie monitors and it was the worst part
of my setup because him and I, as we've discussed quite a few times, have an agreement where
he keeps me in good computers.
That doesn't mean peripherals that does not include monitors.
So I've always had to get my own monitors.
And so one of the, one of the, yeah, one of the first things I did was I got some they're
actually pro arts.
I got two pro arts and yeah, they were sweet.
Yeah.
Well back then not every monitor was IPS.
Yeah.
Like that was, and they were a really nice IPS.
They were, they were wicked monitors.
I was, if I remember correctly, they're on a pretty sweet sale, but they were still like,
that was definitely a Lux purchase.
And the fact that he bought two was a very unlike Luke thing to do classic.
Classic Luke would have bought one and used whatever rat bag monitor LCD, TN, IPS, CRT.
He wouldn't have cared.
It could have been, it could have been like an old TV and like, like 1366 by 768 and like
consume 200 Watts at idle.
He would have put it next to that, like the one nice monitor.
Yeah.
So that was, yeah, that was a very unusual Luke move.
I am back to three different monitors now, but they are all ASUS monitors.
They all follow a very similar ID, so they look like they fit together, which is kind
of nice, but it's one of the pro arts because one of the pro arts still exists.
The other one is dead.
A newer, like 1440p gaming monitor, that is my main screen.
And then very recently because my other pro art died and I liked having three monitors
at home, I got another 1440p monitor monitors tend to be like, ever since I got those pro
arts, something in my brain was like, I'm always going to have nice monitors.
And I was like, I don't have to buy my own computers.
I should probably like have some nice monitors.
So I've, I've kept myself in, in good monitors ever since.
So mine's a little bit complicated because I did buy myself.
Okay.
First of all, I'm not sure how you define luxury.
I wouldn't necessarily think that everyone would define luxury the same way.
Like I think Luke, Luke's computer being something that actually makes him money might not fall
under the definition of luxury for some people.
So if, if to you luxury means superfluous you know, yeah, he, obviously it could work
without, you know having really nice monitors or whatever else, but he also didn't go top
of the line.
And there's a, there's a, a health argument to be made for, you know, not having to like
squint at your display because the contrast is so low, like you know, keeping your, your,
your like, like even, even just like comfort, you know, like there's, I don't know if everyone
would define that as luxury.
I also don't know that everyone would say that Spotify premium is a luxury purchase
though.
Like the example that was given here, a slightly nicer sort of relatively low cost monthly
subscription.
I don't know that everyone would consider luxury where some people might think luxury
is like something utterly unnecessary.
So your question is a little complicated for me because I don't know where the line would
be between adult and kid.
And I don't know what is luxury and what is not, but I can certainly tell you some early
things that I spent probably too much money on and would, could be considered luxury purchases
when I was in man.
So while you think someone in chat said, man, I wish I could buy a $3,000 monitor with a
cord you can't remove.
That's not something I bought for sure.
Good reference.
Yeah.
Almost all of my, almost all of my early stuff would be tech.
So if you disqualified tech, I would have a lot harder of a time coming up with stuff.
Like I bought my, I bought my 4,400 plus, which was a $700 CPU when I was still in high
school, I think.
So I wasn't really an adult, but that was certainly a luxury purchase.
I didn't need a dual core.
Was that in high school or like right after high school?
I don't know.
It was, it was around, it was around the, it was around that time.
Um, man, I remember my monsoon MM 2000 speakers.
Oh, okay.
That was, I was actually pretty sad about that.
They sounded so good and I took them back because they had kind of like this weird idle
hiss.
Uh, and they were so near to me because I was using them as surrounds for gaming.
So they were really close.
It was so near to me that they were really annoying.
So I took them back to London drugs being like, no, this is too annoying.
I don't like them.
And I got the Logitech Z six eighties instead, which sounded like absolute ass compared to
the monsoons.
And I went back to the same London drugs and I was like, I'm sorry, I can't keep these.
I want the monsoons back and whatever, whatever it is that they do with open box items was
not keep them in the store and sell them back to you again.
They were gone.
And then I found out they were discontinued.
And that was like the last pair of monsoon MM 2000s in existence that I had had, um,
When did the, when did the Corsair speakers come into the picture?
Oh, that was, that was much later.
I had, uh, I had clips for me to ultra 5.1s was like a super luxury purchase for me pretty
early on.
Like all of my luxury purchases are going to be, are going to be tech stuff.
Like I drove a 91 diesel Jetta that, um, that my parents made a deal with me.
I had to drive any of my four siblings anywhere that they needed to go, but I got a car, but
I had to pay for gas was the deal.
Interesting.
I still think I came out ahead, but they did pretty well too, because we lived in the middle
of nowhere and it was a 20 minute drive to anything.
Yeah.
And gas was expensive.
That adds up really fast.
Well, diesel wasn't then.
Oh, okay.
So, okay.
It was a, so it was a pretty good deal.
Someone brought up, um, that my fish tank could have maybe been interpreted as a Luxe
purchase.
Maybe I don't think that fits the, the idea of the question because it did say, uh, when
you started having extra cash to spare as an adult, I didn't build it when I was an
adult and it took me like three years to save for or something doing like referee jobs and
like shoveling gravel for people and like doing random, like that wasn't, yeah.
Extra cash luxury.
Yvonne and I bought really nice furniture when we moved into our place.
Solid wood furniture.
You've talked about that a bunch too.
That was really expensive.
That we still have to this day and intend to keep for our entire lives.
Yeah.
So is that luxury?
It certainly is a luxury that a lot of people would never be able to do, but it's also.
Taking a financial hit now in order to save money longterm.
Pretty pragmatic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Luxury, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Interesting question.
Yeah.
It's a really cool question.
All right.
Why don't we move into our next topic?
Okay.
Um, Nintendo DMCAs.
No, that's a big one.
Let's save that for after sponsors.
Why don't we do the quick, quick update regarding Yuffie port forwarding?
Yeah.
Okay.
So we just talked about port forwarding.
Uh, I was doing that thing that we talked about earlier in the show last week where
I was like sort of paying attention, but I was like working on stuff for the next topic.
So I wasn't paying a ton of attention and I probably could have stopped this before
it got to where it was.
Um, because Linus was like sub summarizing something and it came across in the wrong
way.
Um, port forwarding is not a just like safe thing to randomly do for anything you could
ever find that could possibly need a port forward.
I was too blase about it last week.
Yeah.
So there, there are absolutely ways that, uh, vulnerabilities on services that are using
open ports can be exploited.
This is totally a thing that people do.
And one of the ways that people do it is through junky IOT devices.
That is absolutely a thing.
I have no idea how we got here, which is one of the reasons why I wasn't really paying
attention last week because the whole topic was about how Yuffie was lying about how they
did their implementation.
Uh, I had not watched the video where the person talked about how, in order to do it
the way that they said they were doing it, um, and I'm super paraphrasing here, sorry
if I say it incorrectly, I think there's actually a quote, um, I will read the quote.
So Rob from the hookup said the images in the notification need to be hosted on an internet
facing server without authentication.
And they need to be highly accessible in order for the notification speed to be fast, which
is important when you're doing like home security stuff that totally makes sense.
Uh, if you wanted to serve those images directly from your home base, uh, which is kind of
how it's described as it would work, uh, you technically could, but you would need to expose
it to the internet directly via port forwarding, which would absolutely represent a huge security
risk.
That would be a newsworthy issue.
Yeah.
I wouldn't want to open a port for some random like IOT web camera thing in my house.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Um, but they, they don't do that and they never said they're going to do that, which
is again, why I'm like, what, um, well, I, I said that, uh, you know, obviously it would
be better if it went straight from your device to your, uh, you know, other device.
Yeah.
And there's, there's been other stuff brought up where some people tried to dive to our
defense and they were like, you don't need port forwarding to do local notifications.
And it's like, yeah, but okay, that's true.
But the second that you leave your house, which is I think the bigger point of the notifications,
um, it wouldn't work anymore.
So you would need to, if this product was designed with user, uh, with user data protection
in mind, there's no reason that it couldn't be configured in such a way that it would
have no access to the rest of your network.
Um, these are a thing, these are absolutely things that do exist.
The main point, the only thing that matters is that there are other ways and yes, just
opening up a random port to a random IOT device from a company that turned out to be a big
liar.
Don't do that.
Is bad.
Um, but if they just weren't a bad company that was being a big liar, um, we wouldn't
be having this conversation in the first place.
And that's what matters.
They said that it was something that it wasn't, they lied about security stuff.
That is the actual point that matters.
Linus's point about, uh, open ports last week.
Bad.
Don't do that.
I don't think anyone was going to take action based on that.
I don't think anyone ran home, jumped into their routers control panel and opened every
single port that they have.
I don't think it is going to change a single action that anyone did, but it should be clarified
as wrong.
So we are doing that now, but also like I wouldn't freak out about opening a port for
your Minecraft server.
If you have to.
Well, that's the thing, right?
Is that's the point I was trying to make is that you already open ports.
If you want to access anything on your local network from outside your local network.
And so if you do that, then this may not be that different, but it also may, because as
we are, as we are discussing right now, IOT device companies are not following best practices
when it comes to keeping your data and keeping your network safe, open ports for like random
stuff that could be not very well maintained that is, that is vulnerability prone.
Like I would be, I would be concerned about opening ports for different things.
And you should hope that it's done properly.
Is there ways around this?
You could probably figure it out with some VPN thing.
Maybe their app could run that way.
I don't know.
Like there's, there's ways that they could have done this.
Guys.
Plex.
Yeah.
The, the saying you can't access anything from home.
That's not really.
But there's okay.
The reason when you access Plex from outside, the reason that the bit rate is limited is
because it's actually going through Plex's servers is my understanding.
Oh, I have no idea about any of that.
And there's also people who brought up what else?
Someone brought up something else.
Not traversal is a thing.
There's lots to it.
None of this matters.
And I would love to stop talking about it.
Neither of us are networking experts.
Yes.
We hire people for that.
Yeah.
And we have some, we have some good ones.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, to, to send traditional notifications to a device, not on your network at home.
My level of understanding would say that you would need to open ports for that because
of the type of data that is leaving your house.
Can you have data leave your house without opening ports?
Yes.
You can send emails.
Um, but yeah, to, to do a, a, a traditional notification to your device away from home,
I believe the standard approach would be to open a port.
Should we do that?
No.
Is that something that Eufy did?
No.
Is that something that Eufy ever said they did?
No.
Um, and I, in my opinion, having a company blatantly lying about features be okay because
technical people should know that it wouldn't work that way is not an excuse and makes no
sense and I don't know why we're talking about it.
Um, so yeah, I would dive back to Eufy lied about security stuff.
That is the only part of this whole story that matters.
Um, cool.
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaking of a network magic, uh, we, I think we're going to make a video about it at some
point, but then we weren't like, we couldn't really find like a title or angle on it that,
that we thought would perform well enough.
Uh, but zero tier is a super cool way, uh, to gain access to data remotely on your own
network.
Um, that does not require port forwarding.
I have no idea what kind of black magic they're using in order to make that happen.
The point is that it can clearly be done.
There's other similar things as well, more in like the, uh, the corporate sphere.
Uh, but yeah, there's stuff like that.
There's other interesting things like you could set up your own VPN, um, so that your,
your device is seen as on that network.
Like there's, there's lots of other stuff regardless what matters ones that could be
easily set up by the average IOT buyer matter in this, in this instance, but I don't think
the average IOT buyer is going to dive into the control panel of the router and open some
ports either.
Yeah.
So like I just, I don't think any of this is, is relevant.
What matters is they claimed it was stored locally and it's not, they lied about security
stuff and they, we should be going after them for that.
Nothing else in this realm is important or matters.
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What did I say we were going to talk about?
I don't know what you said.
The Nintendo thing.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Let's talk about the Nintendo thing.
This sucks.
It's weird.
The, the source that we picked this up from is I think Kotaku and it, everything about
it just sucks.
Did you know gaming's video about just, basically they posted a video two months ago.
Okay.
They were planting the pitch that retro studios made to Nintendo in 2004 for a final fantasy
tactics like Zelda game.
Months later, Nintendo issued a copyright takedown, forcing YouTube to remove the video.
What?
This is not even a game that was ever made.
And given that this is from 2004, in 2004, it was pitched that was 18 years ago.
Clearly that game is not happening.
Yeah.
It's odd.
Did you know gaming has published hundreds of videos about the history of Nintendo games,
but this is the first takedown notice from the company.
And this is a note from Riley and strangely, they started with the one that makes the least
sense.
The video's primary source was the original 22 page pitch document and an interview with
its author, retro studios programmer, Paul Tozur.
No footage from early game builds was shown because there were no game builds because
the pitch wasn't successful.
Why would Nintendo go after this video?
Did you know gaming told Kotaku that it's one of the few videos on the channel that
documents a piece of Nintendo history that was first uncovered and reported on by us?
So this is original reporting from primary sources that aren't even Nintendo.
Yeah.
I don't even really get it.
Like in this, I mean, I guess it's a DMCA thing.
So if they wanted to, if they wanted to get rid of it, you have to like take it to court
because it's always presumed that the person who places the DMC down is correct unless
you go to court.
Right.
I think that's how that works.
Uh, you, you, uh, well that's, I think you're describing more like the process for fair
use.
Okay.
Um, but you can, fair use would be a defense of a copyright claim.
So yes, sort of.
Yes.
But like, they can't fight this through YouTube unless they go to legal.
They can appeal it through YouTube.
But then it's entirely up to Nintendo to just say no.
Right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Um, yes.
Yeah.
So like they, they have no real recourse.
If Nintendo decides that just like, nope, we don't care.
We disagree with you.
They can hard line it unless they get to court.
So like, what?
Now did you know gaming also told Kotaku that they heard during production of the video
that Nintendo didn't like how many former Nintendo employees were discussing unreleased
Nintendo games?
What does that matter?
Which, I mean, I can understand why they might not like it, but also, um, go fuck yourself.
Like that's not, um, especially, I mean, we're talking 18 years ago, right?
So yeah, I, I get it.
You know, when people have an NDA and there's proprietary information that they are privy
to as part of their employment agreement, and then they leave and they start talking
about that stuff that was considered to be proprietary company information, especially
if they're trying to profit from it.
That is, that is absolutely an ethical gray area.
Um, however.
Mostly for the people who, the person who disseminated that information to, did you
know gaming though?
Yes.
It's not, did you know gaming themselves?
Exactly.
Did you know gaming is just doing what journalists do, which is finding information and telling
people who want to hear about it, that information, they have done nothing wrong here.
And so for Nintendo to go after them is what makes no sense.
Nintendo could absolutely have a Bulletproof NDA with whoever, and they could absolutely
take legal action against that person.
That's within their rights.
That's that's, I mean, I'm telling you why they don't like people giving this information.
Well, because they probably feel like they have an agreement that that information shouldn't
be out there, but they're going after completely the wrong party in this exchange of information
here.
Did you know gaming did nothing wrong here?
Yeah.
Um, now this is what, what, what is this?
Sorry.
What is this tweet?
Did you know gaming has been poking and prodding in Nintendo's history for far too long.
Frankly, the best thing would be for Nintendo to sue them into next year in hopes they finally
go away for good.
Whoever you are, are you an idiot?
We don't want any form of journalism.
That's weird.
That's a bad take.
Are you, uh, hello Nintendo?
Um, is that you?
There's there, there's nothing really else to say about this other than that Nintendo
seems absolutely determined to be the most hated company in gaming.
Uh, it's, it's tough.
It's tough.
You know, when you're going up against blizzard, um, Activision blizzard, excuse me.
Uh, but boy, are they ever like really given it the old college try.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And in other, I guess, slightly more positive news, uh, Nintendo has at the, I don't know
if I would say it properly apologized, but they have acknowledged, uh, the official tweet
says a software update for Pokemon scarlet slash violet version 1.1 0 will be released
on 12 slash one.
Please visit our website for more information.
We take the feedback from players seriously, and we'll continue to work on improvements
to the games.
Um, I take issue with this.
I don't think so.
I take issue with, we take the feedback from players seriously.
I actually, um, I, I, I disagree.
It impacted sales numbers a little bit.
Yeah.
I think that's the issue.
If they took feedback from players seriously, uh, whichever Mario party is the first one
that came out on the switch would have been fixed to make it actually playable.
It's utterly unplayable.
The game, like the board game version of it has so much unnecessary instructional and
animation flush with no way to skip any of it.
No way to turn it off.
The fact that that was not patched and fixed means no, they actually do not take player
feedback seriously.
They take a hit to their wallet seriously.
I think by that time that game had already kind of sold, I think it had kind of run its
course and they just stopped caring.
Like I guess we'll just make a new Mario party game or something.
Yeah.
I notably like a lot of Nintendo stuff, but I have been under, uh, it's not good guy Nintendo.
It's like never a good guy Nintendo.
I think it's time for me to just stop giving Nintendo money.
I didn't buy this.
And it's easy for me to say when I already have a switch OLED and most of the games that
I care about, but like breath of the wild too.
Maybe I just won't buy it.
Ooh, you liked breath of the wild a lot.
Yeah.
I had like almost a hundred hours in breath of the wild.
I really enjoyed that game.
I have individually more or less stopped supporting Pokemon games a long time ago.
Um, I haven't bought a Pokemon game in forever because they're just, yeah, the same game.
They're the same game.
Very uninspired in a lot of ways.
And when they did this, like what a joke.
I, it's actually amazing to me that like almost anyone thought this was acceptable.
Like damn dude, when it costs the same amount as breath of the wild breath of wild released
a long time ago, breath of wild looks better and runs better.
It's like, what usually games start looking better and running better.
The longer a platform has been out because developers get more used to, and just the
industry as a whole gets more used to what that device is capable of and pushing its
limits and all that type of stuff.
That's a very normal thing.
Usually launch games don't run as well and look as well as games that come around near
the end of a console cycle.
The switch has been out for a long time and this game is like at an unacceptable level
of performance that you would have expected from a very poorly forced out rushed, like
failed launch game, not a, not this just, I don't know.
Very disappointing.
Actually not even very disappointing.
I'm not disappointed.
I expected it.
It's very like expected.
I don't know.
I don't know if I want to do it.
Just block it out.
No, just, just, just commit to not buying anything from Nintendo.
Yeah.
I don't.
Oh, because of the DMC.
That's a good thing on the video.
They've always been doing that.
Well, not just that, just because they suck.
They just suck.
They hate their customers.
And I don't understand why.
Do they suck proportionally more than any other individual group?
Or are you just going to block out buying video games because like, do they suck more
than EA?
Are you going to keep buying EA games?
It's not, it's not just that they suck.
It's the spectacularly anti-consumer way in which they suck.
Is EA pro-consumer?
The fact that there is intentionally no way to back up your game, save data, unless you
pay a monthly subscription should actually be illegal.
I don't know why.
I don't know.
I can't tell you what law they should have broken.
Hashtag not legal advice.
Hashtag not legal advice.
But from my point of view, the save, the save data of a game is, is an integral part of
the purchase that you made.
And the fact that that save data is tied to the console, a thing that can break.
And we know breaks that has no way of having that data recovered.
If it breaks is utterly unacceptable.
And it's not, we're not talking about like the old, you know, old cartridge days where
the battery could die and the save games could go with, that was a technological limitation.
We're talking about a console that has a fucking micro SD card slot on it that they choose
to not allow you to use, to update, to, to back up your save data, unless you are migrating
to a different console.
So they've shown, I mean, they showed with the Wii that they are completely capable of
creating a data migration tool.
They choose not to, yeah.
And the fact that it's handheld exactly, it is so much more likely to get lost or broken.
Yeah.
That's just, it's so that's one example, the not fixing Mario party to make the bloody
thing playable.
I actually timed it once.
I forget what the exact timing was, but it was literally less than half gameplay.
Yeah, that's not great.
Yeah.
You gotta be able to, you gotta be able to skip it.
This is not a usable game.
And the way that they bully creators.
To be clear as well with that, cause I think there's been some, some, some misunderstanding.
It is playable.
It's just horrible to play.
Which one?
Mario party.
Yeah.
Like you can play it.
Yeah, but I won't.
Yeah.
It's a complete waste of time.
Like even my kids just want to play mini games.
They don't like the board game version because there is so much sitting around.
If you haven't played it, I don't want to hear your opinion on it because you don't
know.
Play it once.
Okay.
Note how much tutorial and instructions that you don't need.
You don't need to be reminded that red squares are bad every fucking time.
Like multiple times in a single play session.
It's not necessary.
You need to be able to turn that stuff off.
It's like a really simple, like every time you load up the game, like, do you want hints
slash guides or no?
It's like, you know, the, you know, the like cringy stupid thing that they do with Mario
cart where at the end of the, at the end of the grand Prix, they show the leaderboard
the entire leaderboard with all the final scores.
And then they have this just infuriatingly long.
I don't know if it's skippable, but it's just this stupidly long animation with a suspenseful
third, second, we know who won.
You already showed me why if it's skippable, it's fine.
I'm not even sure.
It's been a long time since I've played.
If little kids want to sit in, you know, the suspense, they missed the, you know, flashed
up updated scores or whatever.
Yeah.
Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.
I understand.
These games are for kids.
I get it.
But why not make them usable for anyone else?
Yeah, it's annoying.
Yep.
I don't, but I like them.
It doesn't quite.
I like to play the games though.
I don't know.
I don't know if.
Can I take a stand here?
Yeah.
I don't know if it's quite, if it's quite there.
I would, I would dig into like, um, yeah, like, where's this, where's this line
drawn because like there's other companies in gaming that have done horrible things and
are doing horrible things, et cetera.
So like how many, how many places are you going to boycott?
They're just so consistent about it.
Yeah.
They just consistently hate us and will not, that will not pass on an opportunity to remind
us.
Um, okay, hold on, hold on.
X war two on float plane says that's for bragging rights and to rub it into whoever lost.
Fair enough, but mechanics to allow bragging rights while also making things skippable
have existed since the SNES days.
Rocket league allowed the winner to control if it's skipped or not.
Easy.
That's not a bad one.
Yeah.
Rocket league makes it so that everyone has to skip, but it shows in the corner who hasn't
skipped yet.
So you can like, so you can shame people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
To be honest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Moving on.
Okay.
Uh, Oh, we should do a couple more merchant messages because I'm sure there's a whack
of them.
Yes.
Yeah.
We've got some good ones here.
Um, Linus as a proponent of optane is the boost it gives worth the price for daily drive.
No, no.
Oh, do we still use them in the editor rigs by the way?
I think so.
Oh, I think we should take them out then.
Uh, well, my big thing, uh, with optane was that I wanted the lowest possible latency
in the editing rigs across the board because we had observed in the past that when there
would be, um, access latency spikes to the main video editing server, premiere would
crash.
And that was on a very old version of one X server, which is our, our, our main editing
server.
And so my rationale, not that I had any sort of reasonable, um, proof for it was that the
lower we could keep overall system latency, probably the better stability would be in
premiere.
Uh, and because we don't need high capacity storage in those systems, the cost to go optane
was actually negligible because we would just put a low capacity optane thing in instead
of like a moderate capacity, high quality SSD, because you won't be able to get a high
quality normal SSD in anything but sort of a reasonable capacity anyway, only the like
really cheap stuff is available in super low cap.
So the price difference was actually pretty negligible.
Um, isn't optane like dead?
Yep.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll miss it.
All right.
Got another one here from Robert.
Second time buyer, love the screwdriver.
Have any of you ever felt pressure as a public person to speak out on political things?
Not giving an example.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
Um, like I've literally like, it doesn't actually depend how you apply the word pressure because
yes.
Um, but we've had like, we've had big Reddit threads about how we didn't speak on something
or other.
But the worst is when you do talk about something, uh, you know, the second that I, for example,
condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine, um, immediately my entire timeline is lit up with
why aren't you condemning these other things?
Yeah.
Uh, what do you think this is?
Okay.
Well, no, no, that's not, I didn't, I didn't say I thought that was okay because I said,
I like waffles.
It does not mean that I hate pancakes.
Yeah.
What I said is Russian warship.
Go fuck yourself.
That's all.
That's a good one.
Debbie.
Sure.
I've got another one here from David Linus.
If given the option, would you ever be in a movie?
There's a book consumed to be filmed called project hail Mary.
You should read it while reading it.
I pictured you as the character, Steve hatch.
Look him up.
Okay.
Uh, I mean maybe enough time has Pat.
Hi.
Hey.
Oh that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes.
That's what I'm going to talk about.
Okay.
Maybe enough time has passed that this is clearly like not happening.
Is that, is that the answer?
I don't know.
Are we okay?
Should you do this?
I think as long as we don't name any names or reveal any plot details, I think we can
probably talk about it at this point.
That seems fine.
Okay.
I did act in a movie.
Um, it was like, hold on, I'm going to, I'm going to look it up cause I'm probably going
to get the date wrong.
Um, Luke actually helped out a lot with it because some key parts of the plot were highly
technical and or related to hacking.
And we were told that super whack.
We were told that it was kind of important to them that the details of, because it was
kind of a central plot point.
We were told that the details of it, um, were important.
They, they, they wanted it to, you know, obviously the suspension of disbelief, right?
But they wanted it to not be completely fucking stupid.
You know?
Um, so Luke and I actually spent many hours, uh, thank you, Luke.
Not all of it got approved and if this thing comes out, there's going to be like, if it
comes out, it's going to be brain dead stupid.
I'll say that I will say that because Luke and I went through our version, made sure
that everything kind of made sense.
And then from my understanding, and I could be wrong, it could actually end up being really
good, but from my understanding, so many significant things changed after Luke and I kind of went,
like, we've nailed down all your technical stuff.
It actually kind of makes sense.
Um, by the way, you need to like fundamentally change some stuff because that is shockingly
dumb.
There was some like, actually like really bad stuff.
I was, I was CC'd with the script writer, not realizing it when I like, like, like any,
any eighth grader should know that that is fucking stupid.
Um, I didn't go quite that hard, but that was my tone.
Um, anywho, so Luke and I, Luke and I made a bunch of changes and we're like, okay, it
actually is kind of coherent now.
I thought our changes were pretty good actually.
Yeah, it was, it was like the, the, the, the people, people are going to be asking for
the Luke and Linus cut at some point.
Um, the version that I looked at after those changes were made that pretty much undid a
lot of the changes and took a third path in many other ways was kind of bad.
Yeah.
Pretty dumb.
Yeah.
He sent it to me and he was like, well, I'm sure glad we spent many hours making this
not stupid.
Um, at some point I, I had, I had asked, uh, about, or, or, okay.
At some point there was a discussion around me being credited as like a technical advisor
for like the stuff.
And I was like, yeah, it should be both of us, but I think that would be super cool.
Um, and after we got the like final version, I was like, Hey, not only am I chill with
you guys not putting me in the credits, but I would actually prefer to not do not credit
me with this because this is no longer even remotely intelligible as far as the tech side
goes.
It was kind of fun to do.
It's just disappointing that they, they didn't.
Yeah.
It was a fun process.
And like, honestly what it turned into was Luke and I just like broing out and talking
about tech.
Cause it was like, Oh, what about the feasibility of this?
And like, Oh, this scene makes absolutely no sense for this character.
How about we not have that happen?
Because it also makes no sense in any way.
Yeah.
Um, and we like essentially rewrote a lot of, a lot of the movie.
Yeah.
Um, so we just got hung out.
The only difference was we didn't have a camera pointed at us.
Uh, so it's like, fine.
I'm not even mad.
And like, it's not, I wasn't being, neither of us was being paid for it.
I didn't offer to pay you.
Did I?
Cause I wasn't being paid for it.
Yeah.
I don't like think so.
I don't know.
Yeah.
We ended up just like hanging out.
Yeah.
Um, it was mostly cause we were like interested.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Here's the latest update I have on it in, uh, September of 2021 I emailed someone and
basically said, Hey, just wanted to see if anything came of the redacted movie.
Uh, my email is just checking in.
Is it dead?
Seems dead.
And I got a reply, uh, actually quite a bit, uh, uh, no, no.
Shortly after that.
Yeah.
Shortly after that.
Not dead.
It's still in post-production.
And I said, um, Oh, cool.
All right.
Any idea when it's coming?
And then I heard back nada, it will be up to the studio.
That was over a year ago.
Um, when it was actually shot was, here's my call sheet from November of 2020.
Yeah.
So it was shot two years ago, a year ago.
I was told it was still in post-production and um, I haven't heard anything since then.
I haven't followed it up since a year ago.
Maybe I should, so like maybe, maybe it is still, maybe it's still a thing.
And some people are making comments.
Uh, someone said that there was so many complaints about hacking scenes and movies being bad
that a bunch of scriptwriters started trying to make them intentionally bad stuff like
that.
That would explain a few movies that I've seen.
We didn't try to make it like hyper realistic to be clear.
There was parts that were just like, if you were watching it and you found electronics
remotely interesting, you would have been like, what is even happening?
So we tried to like fix that.
So like things actually made like some amount of sense, um, that, that was more the goal.
We also tried to make it like kind of fun.
So we, we added some things that would just be like entertaining, but yeah.
Yeah.
So uh, anyway, I don't know, maybe it'll show up at some point.
I will not be telling you guys anything about like, I, I, I sign an NDA, I'm obviously going
to respect it.
I'm not going to tell you guys anything about anyone who was involved in it like theirs.
And I can tell you guys, there's no way that you're going to get it right.
If you try to take anything that we talked about today and figure out what exactly we're
talking about, there's no way, there's just no way.
Uh, so if it comes out, um, I'm pretty sure my appearance, my appearance is classified
as a cameo.
I'm not even going to be in the credits or anything.
I'll just like be there and you'll be like, what?
But you probably won't watch the movie anyway, so you probably won't see me and you probably
won't be like, what?
But yeah, yeah, yeah, so, so I was, it was, it was fun.
It was interesting.
It was cool.
Uh, I would, I would totally be down to do something like that again.
Like I said, it was for like no pay at all.
I just didn't, I didn't care.
I have a job.
I don't need to make money acting and like, I'm not a good actor.
So obviously not going to expect to be paid to be an actor, but it was, it was definitely
fun.
It was fun.
It was not a porno.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can confirm not a porno.
Nobody needs that on that subject.
Actually Markiplier released his OnlyFans for charity, for charity, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
What charity is it?
Are we doing this?
Are we doing this for Markiplier's OnlyFans live on the show?
I, I'm not going to lie.
I did just Google Markiplier OnlyFans.
Um, yeah, there it is.
I'm going to get the real time blur going here.
Okay.
All right.
All proceeds will be donated to the Cincinnati Children's Hospital in brackets, my hometown
and the world food program.
All proceeds, all proceeds.
Wow.
That's one way to, you know, drop it out.
Yes.
I mean, whip it out, whip it out.
Yeah.
Clunk it on the table.
Be aware that this is real and I am really me.
Simply read this in my voice.
Uh, okay.
Yep.
This is, this is a thing.
There's one post and three media posts.
There are 28,000 likes on the one post, which indicates to me that there are at least 28,000
people who signed up for this because you can't like it if you don't subscribe for free.
Okay.
So how does that work?
You have to buy the media?
Uh, I don't know.
I as I have to confess, I have only used OnlyFans as a, as a creator and for a meme, I don't
actually know too much about how it works.
I don't.
Someone in the flow plane chat want to like out themselves and explain how that would
work because, because part, somehow the money has to go to charity, right?
But subscription is for free.
So subscribe to see users post.
Would you have to pay for the media things?
I don't know.
You get the post for free or like how does it, apparently there's no nudes.
It's only tasteful.
Okay.
So what does that mean?
Yeah.
What does that even mean?
We were wondering about this before the show.
Is it like, I think nudes can be tasteful and I think except the non nudes can be untasteful.
The dong or is it like,
Is it different for women?
We could consult Yuffie.
Yes.
You buy the post.
Everything but the taint and balls.
I'm sorry.
Balls and taint.
Balls and taint, yeah.
This is a reference to a previous man show.
I would not cover those up, but that's fine.
And then it's tasteful.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't, I don't know.
But I mean, if you're into that, if you want to see Markiplier in that way, you can subscribe.
You can buy.
I don't know that I need to like, I could end up meeting him at some point and I just
don't need to have seen him naked.
I have met him.
This is a, I actually like this story because it's so uninteresting, but I'm going to say
it anyways.
Uh, I was going to Pax.
I was doing my normal Pax thing where I'm hanging out with my friends and I've gone
to Pax with for a million years and we went to that Starbucks.
I don't drink coffee, but some of the other people I was with wanted some coffee in the
morning.
We went to that fancy Starbucks, the one where they like test out different beans or whatever.
I don't know anything.
I don't know what this is, but we'll see it after.
And he was standing there with the lady and he hadn't been hoarded yet.
People had not recognized him yet.
So I have no idea if he knew who the heck I was, but I saw him from across the room
and I just did a head nod and he did a head nod back and then I completely ignored him
because I was like, I'm not going to be that guy.
I was interested in going up and saying like, Oh, Hey, I'm from this thing.
I was going with her.
But I was like, I don't want to be the person who starts the inevitable wave that is going
to happen whenever Markiplier's at PAX.
So I was just like, I'm going to be a bro and just stay over here.
It was cool.
Chi GPT has got us covered here.
A tasteful nude photograph is one that is artistic or aesthetic in nature and does not
depict explicit sexual activity or genitalia.
It is a photo that celebrates the human body in a respectful and non objectifying way.
So no dongs, no tacos, but buttocks and breasts probably okay.
So that's the one that I'm wondering about.
Yeah, but I think it would have to be without the, so I would say cheeks are fine, but you
know, starfish, not so much.
Right.
But the top, that's why I'm saying is it different for women?
That's not genitals though.
That's still considered a secondary sex characteristic.
So that's tasteful.
Look, I am not, I'm not the one defining it here.
So if lady plier did a, one of these, she could be topless.
The definition of a tasteful nude photograph would not change based on the gender of the
person depicted in the photo.
Okay.
All right.
I had no idea.
It is important to note, however, that different cultural and societal norms may affect how
a new photograph is perceived and the same photograph may be considered tasteful in one
context and not in another.
Ultimately, it is a matter of personal judgment and individual interpretation.
Thank you, chat bot.
Yeah.
Cause there's a lot of the, obviously there's like the free, the nipple movement and like
all this other type of stuff.
Like I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what's going on, but yeah, if you want to support Cincinnati children's
hospital and or the world food program, and you want to see Markiplier in a state of undress.
Yeah.
Check it out.
I mean, he's sexy.
The the, the photo that you can see on OnlyFans is genuinely hilarious.
I don't know if that's like a good idea to show on the show or not.
I showed it.
Okay.
Yeah.
The champagne bottle.
The champagne bottle covering that.
It's very funny.
It's that is, that is tasteful.
I would say that is tasteful.
It's aesthetic.
Yep.
So, all right.
Yeah.
Moving on.
Okay.
What else do you want to talk about next?
Did we talk about the.
Oh wait.
We were supposed to do some merch messages.
Ah, very good.
Okay.
Hit us, Dan.
Yeah.
That segue was too perfect.
Too perfect.
This is from Maximilian.
Love the backpack and screwdriver.
Linus, I wanted to ask your take on innovation in the VR headset space or lack thereof.
It feels like nothing has happened since the index, not counting the incremental updates
from Meta.
Well, I wouldn't call what Meta has been doing incremental.
I mean, you got to, yeah, you got to understand a lot of what's being done is on the software
side.
I think as hardware enthusiasts, we can tend to be dismissive of software innovations and
you could, you know, you could look at like the, the GPU space and kind of go, Oh, there's
like nothing happening that they only, we only get new GPU's like every three years
now.
This is ridiculous.
But on the software side, there's a lot happening to enhance our gaming experiences.
And I think we've just got to learn to be, even if it's, you know, not as fun, not as
exciting.
We've got to learn to be a little more, more open-minded.
I mean, I would also argue that the newest update, while expensive, is a nice jump for
people that wanted to jump in hardware.
Oh, you mean the Quest Pro?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the, the, how slim it is.
Like the, the weight drop, a few other like that's, those are not the easiest things to
accomplish.
I don't know that the complete package is really my cup of tea.
I'd rather have something more like an index too.
Oh yeah.
I'm not, I'm just saying there is innovation happening.
I'm not necessarily saying it's the exact stuff that I would want.
I would also argue that if there is a company throwing, as far as I can tell, infinite amounts
of blank checks at a project, it might not seem the most worth investing in as a competitor.
While they seem to be burning to the bottom, might as well let them do all your research
for you.
It's a lot easier to reverse engineer than to originally engineer.
So I think competitors right now, if anything, are probably just sitting and waiting and
going like, yep, keep doing it.
And then we'll do similar things later.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Cause like, it doesn't, it doesn't look like, I mean, look at Facebook's finance or meta
or whatever.
Look at meta's financials right now.
Like this doesn't look like the most exciting thing to jump in, jump into at the moment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I think we're going to continue in the VR, the VR lane.
We got one for him from Jerry.
Hi Linus.
Have you looked into base stationless, full body tracking, like slime VR or Haritora X?
Even though I daily my index, it's a lot of fun to put my quest and play VR chat with
my whole house as a play space and with my slimes I made.
You ever heard of these?
Slime VR full body tracker.
Uh, no, I can't say that I'm familiar with this.
They raised a million dollars.
I just like completely missed this evidently.
Oh, okay.
So they're just trackers that the inside out, um, tracking on the quest can see.
Oh.
That's clever.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's super cool.
Yeah.
No, I'm sorry.
I can't say, I can't say I've seen that before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's cool.
I mean, when you do chat VR, um, I mean, the concept of being in a state where I have nothing
else to do that I must do such that I can just sit and talk with someone.
It's like foreign to me at this point, like on it, honestly, I, I just, I wouldn't actually,
I wouldn't actually, I've had a lot of people ask me like, do you want your kids to like
run the company or like, you know, are you grooming them to be YouTubers or whatever
else?
And I'm kind of sitting here going like, I don't regret any of my choices.
I don't, I don't really believe in that or at least I, you know, I try not to, um, but
I don't know that it's the best either.
Um, like I, I, I wish I could just, there's a lot of stress involved with talking on the
social ladder.
Just talk, you know, just hang out.
Um, like hanging out is not really something that I get to do very often.
Work ending when you go home is a completely foreign concept for both of us.
Yeah.
It has been for a decade.
Um, yeah, there's definitely downsides to it.
Especially around here, like trades are cool.
You can find immediate work.
It ends when you go home.
Yeah.
Like the, the demand for people in trades right now is wild.
Absolutely wild.
If you're any good.
Oh, not even if you're going to show up when you say you're going to be there, you will
find work.
Oh yeah.
I promise you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know people that would employ you.
Yeah.
Seriously.
I'm not exaggerating.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
Job security cause there's way too much to work on, um, immediate employment out of school.
A lot of places that will employ you as an apprentice and, and pay for or partially subsidize
your, your education.
Um, good pay right out of school, yada, yada, yada.
It's also, uh, it can also be kind of a downer for me.
Like if what I'm actually after is just like casually interacting with people, being a
public figure and showing up somewhere like VR chat.
What are the odds that I'm just going to get to be anonymous and I mean that, that happened
in star citizen, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like, that's the thing.
I love that star citizen is like the metaverse, but before the metaverse was coined, it's
just a star themed metaverse, metaverse brandings stupid.
I hate meta as a company name.
It's so annoying.
Oh man.
I, I don't, I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but I don't see myself not calling it Facebook
meta.
It's like, it's like a real, much longer name now.
Oh well.
Okay.
I've got another one here from Lori.
Do you have any ideas on how to collect community suggestions for products review in the labs
like voting, but somehow normalizing by product type popularity?
I mean, we could, we could do like a submission system through the site or something, but
the goal for labs is to not need suggestions.
Yeah.
The goal for labs is to test everything.
Everything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, once we get kind of caught up, the idea is that we could occasionally go back
and test very consequential older products just in case people are using them and want
a comparison point for some new thing that they're considering.
But the idea really would be to test every damn keyboard, like every one that comes out.
So that whatever it is you're looking for, it would already be on the site.
That's the goal.
All right.
Why don't we find another topic to jump into young man crashes, the game awards rants about
bill Clinton.
We can talk about that.
It's arrested.
Neither of us have seen the video.
So should we watch it?
I've seen the video.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I thought you hadn't.
Uh, I didn't watch the game awards, but I didn't understand what the heck people were
talking about.
So I watched the like 20 second clip or whatever it is.
That's far more enjoyment than I got out of it.
I just like, didn't really care the complete and utter confusion of the people around him
is what I'm enjoying.
That was probably more funny.
Um, the internet loved this, I was like surprised that it was able to happen.
Um, but that's about it.
I don't know.
Valve was giving away a 512 gig steam deck every minute during the game awards, which
is pretty crazy.
It's pretty cool.
It means I guess they, uh, are doing okay in terms of catching up on their production.
Yeah.
Um, Elden ring one game of the year, which is like, I think that was pretty expected.
Um, I don't know if I've ever watched the game awards.
Not that it's a bad thing.
I just don't watch any award shows, right?
Like at all.
Um, yeah, I, I can't say that I'm that interested in awards shows.
I feel like a lot of the experience can be had by skimming through the summary article
the next day.
Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not against the concept.
I'm just not, I just personally just, yeah.
Apparently he was potentially arrested.
Paul Tassi from Forbes got in touch with him.
He couldn't talk about being arrested.
Um, he says, build Clinton is his hero.
Um, and he didn't think he didn't know who better to dedicate the award to.
So he's still memeing, I guess.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
All right, let's move on.
Apparently the kid has pulled a couple other stunts previously.
I didn't know this part.
Uh, he shouted free Hong Kong at a world of Warcraft panel in 2019.
He held up a sign that the Clippers game about Hong Kong after pretending it was a sign for
the team.
All right.
Neat.
Um, Austin, Mr. Krabs asked, Hey Linus, can you quickly touch on the decision behind stopping
the they're just movies podcast?
I gotta say, um, it was a bit of a, it was a bit of a shocker for me and a frustrating
one.
Um, and I've talked to, I feel like a lot about people assuming the worst of me lately.
And this was, why did you, yeah, why did you shove the dagger in the back of they're just
movies?
Uh, yeah, this was, this was yet another situation like that that was really frustrating for
me.
Like I understand I'm sort of the, the, the front man here.
Um, and not every decision that I make is, you know, necessarily a understandable to
everyone.
Um, or right.
Uh, I don't always get it right, but for people to assume some kind of, of malice or some
kind of evil or whatever else, uh, when we're making a business decision and doing something,
it just feels so unfair.
Like sure, by all means ask Austin, Mr. Krabs is doing it right.
Ask me.
I'm not actually that difficult to get in touch with.
Um, but why would you assume for example, that, you know, man, I've read some super
frustrating stuff like, you know, what is up with Linus not being able to give some
of his employees, you know, a little bit of time, you know, three man hours a week to
record this passion project.
Why is it always about all about money with him?
And I'm kind of sitting here going, well, okay, there's so much wrong with this.
A it's not one hour each, but you think it's the whole, it's edited, right?
So they actually do record for longer than that.
They have to edit it.
They let, okay, so you're, Hey, you're wrong about the time commitment.
It's a lot more than you think.
Um, B it was, I wasn't even the one who brought it up, like the, the, the discontinuation
of the, they're just movies podcast was not a Linus initiative.
So you're just making assumptions.
Um, there, there are business reasons why it probably doesn't make sense to continue.
I can tell you it's not profitable, but that is not the reason that it was ultimately shelved.
Um, that was the reason it would have been killed a long time ago.
It was, it's yeah, it was a team decision and it's one that I don't know if the, if
the team behind the podcast is going to talk about how everyone feels about it individually,
but ultimately it was a team decision that was made and we're not able to move forward
with it.
That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm evil.
It just means that for Linus Media Group Incorporated, it doesn't make sense to continue that project.
Like what do you come on guys?
Oh yeah.
Evil Linus shoots down small podcast.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Um, blaze Henry one says, Linus, you're taking random criticism on the internet way too personally.
My personal critique of you on the internet.
Yeah.
The thing is that it is personal, right?
It is personal.
It's this personal attack that is just based on an assumption rather than being based on
something that I've actually done and a lot of the time flies in the face of every public
action that I've ever taken before and since.
So it's just, yeah, very, very, very, very frustrating.
We've taken a lot of criticism over the years.
Sometimes it's super founded.
Sometimes it's not.
Oh, sometimes it's very valid.
And it's, it's, I, and that's one of the reasons it sucks when it's wrong, I think.
Yeah.
Because you take critique seriously and we are always trying to do better, which is why
when the critique is not helpful and not based on anything and just sort of random vitriol,
random anger, um, that I just, I don't know how to deal with it because I can't block
it out.
I have to, I have to filter through garbage in order to find these nuggets that really
do make me a better person or make us a better company.
Which does happen.
It happens a lot.
Your, your feedback is valuable.
Some people have abused this, but all the wan shows or anything else that I'm in, I,
I load all the comments, which sometimes takes a while and then I control F for my name every
time because I want to know there's, there's good stuff, which is nice, but there's also
negative stuff.
And sometimes the negative stuff is very legit and I should act on that.
And I try to, I don't know.
And sometimes it's not legit and it's really frustrating.
Yeah.
And that's just, I don't know, that is what it is.
Yeah.
And you know, I totally get it.
Um, that's, it's, it's frustrating when a show that you love gets canceled.
Um, and, and I, I don't want us to develop a reputation for creating things, um, letting
you fall in love with them and then ripping them away.
Well, we don't want to be Netflix.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
I guess more on point.
Yeah.
The number of shows that Netflix has left hanging on cliffhangers forever is it's, you
know what, is there an equivalent to the killed by google.com site for Netflix shows that
have specifically ended without wrapping up loose ends?
Like I wouldn't count something like the dark crystal because they kind of, it kind of ended
it right.
And because it was a prequel, you obviously know where it's going from here.
At least HBO has the courtesy to cut them before they're even finished.
Uh, no, no, no, the NFL, the abrupt, uh, uh, people are discussing it, but no, there doesn't
seem to be an equivalent site.
There is a, there's a decider, some website, um, I don't know, uh, has like a list of all
of them updated as of December 20 or December 2nd this year.
So it's pretty new.
Um, but there's no like killed by google style thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
That would be, that would be really interesting to see because I know they've done it a lot.
Oh yeah, definitely.
And like to the point where it's really hard to motivate yourself, I feel this, it's really
hard to motivate yourself to get invested in a new show knowing that there is a huge
chance that they're just going to rug pull you and you're never going to know what happened
to, to, to, to, to, to the poltergeist living in Sarah's attic or, you know, whatever character
or plot point we're talking about.
Well, this is the same.
We talked about this about google a while ago with the whole killed by google thing
is it makes you not want to adopt new google services, which then makes them kill more
google services.
So it puts them in this position where like they can't release things that are going to
work because everyone's so sketched out about it being pulled anyways.
So I think, I think sin for the win is trying to do the thing that you said where you will
see their comment.
You won't because they did it wrong, but I thought you should hear this at Luke, you're
looking super healthy and your hair is fantastic and we just want you to keep living your life
at its best.
Oh, thanks.
I, uh, I, yeah, I've lost a ton of weight, like actually a lot, probably more than your
son weighs.
Um, uh, and I still have more to go, but I'm starting to get to the point where I'm shifting
gears where I want to start building muscle more than I want to start losing weight.
So I'm getting, I'm not there yet, but I'm getting into the area of the actual just raw
weight that I want to be at, but I'm not at the composition that I want to be, if that
makes sense.
I'm still carrying too much fat.
Lundo spark asks, do we have a new name for the lab formerly known as lab 32 I think we're
settled on LTT labs for now.
We couldn't really come up with anything way better and we already own the domain, so it
is what it is.
Yeah.
We reserve the right to change things.
Yeah, we, yeah, we could, we could totally still change it, but we haven't yet.
Apparently someone registered killed by netflix.com in 2020 so someone else had the same thought
for sure.
Yeah, they should do something with it.
Speaking of Luke being wonderful, Luke hosts videos again now.
Oh yeah.
Good job.
Lots of really positive feedback on both the OVH infrastructure tour and yeah, it was like
I told you I read every comment that has my name in it and I, I do do that.
That took a long time with that video.
Um, yeah, yeah, I, it was weird.
I looked at the channel and half of the videos that were up were by you and half of the videos
that were up were by me and I was like, what year is it?
I know.
Right.
Um, I was like, this feels a lot like, uh, like, like 2015 or something, but yeah, I
don't know.
Not particularly.
It just happened that we had decided to do the arc challenge thing a while ago.
We had done the Linux challenge thing before, so that wasn't new and we had decided to do
that.
I would go to, he called dibs.
I did.
I did.
I really wanted to do that.
Uh, but we, I, I, I called dibs on doing the OVH tour in France quite a while ago and then
they all just sort of happened at the same time.
Well, Luke being in the art in his own arc video was not supposed to happen.
That too.
Yeah.
That wasn't made up for a funny intro just his entire part got cut from the video by
accident.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it, it was more like chance than anything.
Nothing's really like changing.
Um, I have, I have more people to manage now than ever.
Um, yeah, he like does not have time to be in videos.
I'm not a regular video host.
I do.
Once I'm actually working from office, I would like to do things like, um, like tech links
a little bit more off and stuff like that.
Yeah.
That'd be great.
I don't want to be a complete stranger, but I'm not, I'm not a, uh, regular host, you
know, you're not going to see me on the channel as much as you did recently.
Um, but yeah, I do wish those videos did a little better.
I will say that, um, but one of them was a sponsored video and one of them was, um, one
of the cutting room floor almost.
Yeah.
So it's probably okay.
Oh, it did hunt 1 million.
There we go.
Oh yeah.
No, that's fine.
Yeah.
You know what else is fine?
Check this out.
What's this?
Oh, there we go.
LTX 2023 baby, July 29th and 30th, 2023 at the Vancouver convention center.
I will see you there.
Yeah.
I'm actually super excited because it's been a long time since I've been to a convention.
This has been the longest in my life since I ever went to a convention that I haven't
been to a convention.
Yep.
So it's weird.
I'm excited.
LTX is coming back.
We are branding the land whale land.
That is official.
Cool.
Like it is so stupid how some of our branding comes to be, uh, was that why that one?
Your suggestion?
I can't remember.
Yeah.
I don't remember.
I can't remember who suggested whale land anymore.
Um, but it was just based on like a silly conversation.
A lot of them are off the cuff.
Yeah.
Um, and Sarah just did such a bang up job of the branding for it, the artwork that it's
just like, how could we possibly start bringing back like the whale with the chain?
Well, yeah.
That's one of my favorite logos.
The whale with the chain is never going anywhere.
Anything we've like ever had.
So I'm actually very stoked.
Whether it's, whether it's at LTX or whether we do more standalone land events, uh, I believe
we are going to stick with whale branding for our lands.
I think we're going to continue to offer whale perks.
So like, you know, $5,000, $10,000 tickets and just like build packages around it that
actually hopefully make sense, which is insane.
But yeah.
And for everyone else, like just normal, like normal pricing, but you know, whale land,
I don't know.
Whale land.
Sure.
Yeah.
Um, general admission.
We have pricing up.
Single day is 35 bucks.
Two days is 60 bucks.
The BYOC is a hundred dollars.
So that will be the whale land as well as a two days of admission.
Oh, or is that in addition?
It might, that be, might be in addition.
Don't quote me on that.
We're done in addition.
I think that's in addition.
So it's a hundred bucks for two days of whale and that actually makes way more sense.
50 bucks a day.
Uh, there's add ons.
So you can do office tours, merch packs, uh, either LTX or whale land, merch packs.
And look at that.
We've got VIP packages, including the whale $10,000, multi-day access, dedicated BYOC
seat, $5,000 customized computer, reserved main stage seating, express line punch card.
That's right.
We've got lines, VIP meet and greet session, whale merch pack, office and labs tour with
transportation and lunch hotel room, Friday to Sunday food provided during the event.
Special thanks on ltxexpo.com and more the whale package.
People were asking if there was going to be whale merch.
I've already seen questions about that.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
That would be.
Yup.
Yup.
Ticket sale.
Wait list is right down here.
You guys are going to want to jump on that.
I have questions.
Uh, they might be answered on the site and I might have questions.
I have answers and they might be wrong because I'm not the one organizing it.
Chase and Colton are on top of that.
So whale land was, was overnight.
Yes.
Uh, it looks like it is.
Wait, hold on.
Yes.
Because usually in expo halls and stuff, this appears to be overnight to me.
It's so sick.
Oh, that's exciting.
You're not sleeping that weekend are you?
Probably not.
Let's go.
Dude.
That whale land, my dad was up until like, your dad's hardcore, he's an absolute mad
lad.
He was up until like, I think it was like six or something.
And then he had to teach a class the next day and he just did it and then came back.
One of my buddies that was there stayed there until super, super late, drove home, noticed
there was something wrong with his truck, wrenched on his truck until the morning, got
his truck working and then came back.
Like half the people we were with didn't even sleep.
If you noticed, one of them just started doing pushups before we played left for dead.
I didn't notice that.
You know him.
I can say his name.
It was Daris.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He started doing pushups for left dead cause he's trying to get his blood flowing cause
he hadn't slept.
He was trying to get amped up before he played us cause we were like the team to beat, right?
I love my, my like old school group of friends from high school and my dad go, who's like
part of that group of friends, to be completely honest, go, go pretty hard.
We're used to going to PAX and we're always frustrated cause PAX closes the land like
pretty early to be honest and like I get why, yeah, there's liability concerns and lots
of things.
Absolutely.
It's a lot cooler if you don't have to do that.
So I am stoked.
I hope to see some of the people from the last whale land at this one that there's no
way they don't show up cause that was a good crowd.
Yeah.
That was a blast.
It was a lot of fun.
Yeah.
Yep.
And if you miss them, maybe it's time to disclose this.
If you miss them at the LTX whale land, I might be working on access to a location that
could potentially result in like quarterly land parties.
Do you not know about this?
No.
Oh.
That's cool.
I like this.
How did I not know about this?
Here, let me just give you a hint.
Okay.
I did sort of know about this.
I just didn't know it was like actually happening.
It's happening.
Cool.
I had heard the grumbles of it potentially happening.
It's happening.
Okay.
That's wicked.
Yeah.
It's happening.
Very cool.
It's one of those things where it probably like, as long as we don't lose money on it,
like we did with whale land from a business standpoint, I think it's great for community
engagement.
It's just a lot of fun.
I like fun.
It was a really fun weekend.
What's the point of being a successful business owner if from time to time you don't just
take some of that money and just do something because you want to?
I can say this now as like a, we know how as in we have done it instead of a, we know
how as in we have the concepts, but we know how to run a good land.
Yeah.
It was fun.
Yeah.
It was like really fun.
There was activities to do a lot of time and the people that showed up and we pressed people
about this a lot because we said like, don't even bother showing up if you're not going
to want to engage in group activities and we're going to have a bunch of events and
group activities.
But people did that.
It was great.
Like the, the basically everyone, I didn't really notice anyone there that was just being
like super antisocial, total wet blanket.
Yeah.
Everyone was engaging with stuff.
We would do like non computer gaming activities.
Like we did chair curling and like the whole place was up.
Oh yeah.
It was wild and hanging out and throwing chairs around and stuff like it was, it was a, it
was very entertaining.
I'm excited about this one and I'm excited about the potentiality of, of quarterly ones.
Hobsel Toff asks, if you're going to do it quarterly, can you sell a lifetime ticket?
No.
No.
I mean the cost is like of running it every single time.
It's not like software, um, you know, where like you develop it once, sell a perpetual
license for it and then, you know, people have to like buy new versions of it later
or whatever.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
The actual cost is like every time.
And I can tell you right now, like at a typical land admission, you know, like 30 to 50 bucks
a day, there's actually not as much margin as you would probably think, uh, especially
here in Vancouver where, uh, rental rates are so, so expensive.
When you're taking a dedicated space that big up, um, there's things other people could
do to make more money using it, which means it's going to cost a certain amount.
Exactly.
I mean, yeah, sure.
If it was a million dollars or whatever.
Yeah, fine.
But like, that's not what I'm sure.
That's not what you guys are talking about a $69,000 lifetime pass.
I mean, tell you what, if you'll pay that much, I will, I will personally sign your
golden ticket that gives you admission to every future Linus media group and associated
companies event.
All right.
Yeah.
With a regular level ticket, you don't get the, you don't get the whale ticket every
time.
I think you'd actually lose money on that really quickly.
Yeah.
Take like two years.
Oh man.
Uh, I, I'm going to confirm that the BYOC is extra.
There.
I did it.
I'm, I'm, I'm pretty darn sure.
Uh, Oh, actually, you know what?
I have notes.
Holy crap.
There's a whole bunch of notes I'm supposed to be talking through.
There is.
Um, it's con so it'll be in the west building.
So different building than last time.
It's a newer building with more control over the lighting, the ability to more with signage.
We're going from 78,000 square feet last time to 112,000 square feet to accommodate all
the improvements we want to make.
It's going to be huge.
Uh, there'll be the expo itself, office tours, giveaways, local activities, as well as the
overnight whaleland.
There you go.
Confirmed.
Let's go.
All ticket prices are in USD.
Onsite purchases will be in CAD, but that price will just be converted from USD.
So the price will be the same.
Yeah.
You will set up to be notified ahead of when tickets are scheduled to go live.
If you are an LTX 2020, remember the one that didn't happen, VIP ticket holder, you will
be contacted by our team before tickets go live with the email you used to purchase your
2020 ticket.
We want to make sure that you, if you, if that was what you wanted, you don't just get
scooped by someone else and you don't get a chance to get it.
That's cool.
Um, ticket sales are expected to go live around the end of January and we'll update ticket
info on the website before sales.
If any major changes occur, we are going to need volunteers.
You can sign up on the site to get notified when we start going through applications.
Shout out to the awesome volunteers from LTX 2019.
Oh, if you want to know about booths and activations, we actually have some confirmed booths and
activations.
Uh, we have tidbits of info on those currently listed and we'll add more as we get closer
to the event.
Oh, okay.
Well, hold on a second.
I want to know what we have confirmed.
What's what's confirmed.
What's going on here?
Uh, expo, uh, Oh, Oh, here we go.
Returning classics, the retro lounge.
So it'll have more retro games, arcade machines, phone charging stations, comfy seating, and
more.
The case toss and LTX classic.
That's good.
The goal is the same as always throw a computer case as far as possible.
We're going to add additional lanes to help reduce wait times.
LTT store, not com will be there so you can buy merch in person.
Uh, CPU D lidding and GPU repasting will be making a return LTS is not liable for any
damage that may be caused as a result of your tear down or modification of your components.
Uh, and the build a PC workshop, we will be allowing people to learn the basics of computer
building with real working hardware.
It might not be working, but it'll be real.
Um, they might have to get that fixed by the end of the workshop.
You should have a computer that actually boots and runs, except you don't get to keep it.
I really don't think we should do it that way.
I think we shouldn't.
Yeah.
You should just take broken hardware.
Well, anyway, we'll figure that out.
Clearly there's still internal discussions to be had.
Uh, we have some new stuff gaming at different frame rates, uh, so you can like really feel
the difference.
So we're going to have, uh, since mine sweeper was getting a bit stale this year's high score
challenge will be 3d pinball.
So get practiced up and you'll be able to do your first 3d print.
If you've never done one, we're going to have like an HDR experience booth.
It's one of those things that's really hard to describe, but really easy to experience.
Uh, we're going to have like keyboard and switch testers.
So you guys can try all that kind of stuff out.
All the windows is pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's actually sweet.
That's cool.
See how computers have evolved.
So you'll be able to just like sit down in front of them and like try and do stuff, which
is pretty cool.
Uh, we'll include games that were prominent on each OS.
So you can kind of go through that, uh, that evolution for yourself.
Lots of, lots of stuff to interact with is really the goal.
Do we, um, this, this might, maybe I shouldn't, I don't know, do our, uh, is, is Bob and rod
coming?
Uh, I don't know if we've explicitly reached out to them yet, but if they're not there,
I'll be disappointed.
Yeah.
So we'll have to get that, uh, sorted out sooner rather than later.
Yeah.
Uh, Bob and rod are our friends from BS mods.
Yeah.
Uh, Rod's probably watching, uh, rod, consider this your formal invitation.
Yeah.
Whatever we got to do to get you there.
You just let me know.
Yeah.
Cause they did, they did like a hardline tube bending thing last time.
Yeah, those guys are utterly amazing.
Yeah.
They were awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Rod's in the float plane chat.
Yeah.
I figured he is.
There he is.
All right.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
We'll see you there, man.
Uh, man.
Haven't seen them in three years.
It's been a long time.
Yeah.
What the crap?
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
Don't yourself COVID for real though.
Yep.
All right.
Um, special guests.
If you are part of the media or a content creator and you wish to attend LTX, please
email info at LTX expo.com.
Um, as with last time, we have a, I'm not going to say blank check, but a huge budget
for flying out creators.
It was a really, really cool element of LTX 2019 that there were just so many creators
there, lots of collab opportunities.
So even if, you know, meeting up with fans, isn't necessarily your favorite thing, um,
it's just a ticket plane ticket hotel and expo ticket with really no strings attached.
You can come and do it however you want.
If you just want to get together and hang with other creators, uh, you know, obviously
we'd prefer if you spent some time with the, with the attendees as well.
Um, but we're, we're not going to have any kind of commitments or anything like that.
Um, come on out and, uh, we, we just want to get as much of the tech community together
as possible.
Um, we won't be able to accommodate everyone, you know, obviously if you've got like 400
subscribers, um, and someone with 40,000 or 400,000 subscribers also want some of that
budget, we're going to have to try to, you know, make it make sense, have as many people
there that people want to do meet and greets with and stuff like that as we can.
But uh, we're, we're going to try to accommodate as many as we can.
That's when it comes to trying to like help people travel there, um, financially.
But like, yeah, you can get, you can get media tickets, no prob.
Um, also if your company wants to partner with us, go to ltxexpo.com slash partners.
Uh, you can follow ltxexpo on Twitter if you want to get updates or a Facebook or instagram.
Oh, I have a question.
Have to disclose another investment.
I haven't actually made it yet, but I've said I'm going to do it because I think it'll probably
be fine, but I haven't actually written a check.
So if you guys are ultimately super mad about it, then we can just not do that.
Um, so it's like, it's not too late, but they like really needed an answer and I think it's
pretty, I think it's pretty chill.
Um, I'm not, I can't really name any names, but I will try and give as much detail as
I can in the interest of you guys understanding what it is about, uh, without causing any
problems for the people involved.
So someone who worked on a network storage product that I have really enjoyed using for
a long time, uh, is no longer with that company and has a plan to create a NAS software that
is basically everything that I've been, that I was asking for about that software and everything
that, um, you know, he, he and I have agreed on for a long time needs to be done to make
DIY NAS more accessible to just average people.
Um, so he is planning to, to start up and has asked me to come in as like an angel investor
and basically give him a year or two of runway to get this thing off the ground.
Um, obviously there's some equity changing hands, but it's not, um, it's not about that
for me and it's not about that for him.
He's already got some really interesting partnerships and he's already got some money from an established
NAS software company on whose product he will be basing his.
So there, there's, there's already some momentum and I am, um, very supportive of like his
vision for what an, what an easy to, what a user-friendly NAS should be.
Um, and he just, he doesn't want to go to a random investor.
What I'm trying to say is he could, but he would rather not.
And so he came to me saying, look, Linus, I think this is an amount of money that, um,
you can probably afford.
I think that you understand my vision and believe in the product.
From my point of view, we don't review NAS software anyway.
Uh, we use it and we will continue to use it, but I don't see that as something that
as long as we are sufficiently disclosing every, everything that anytime we're kind
of covering that stuff, which we very rarely do, I don't see it as a, as a huge conflict
of interest.
But, um, yeah, so no one seems to really care.
So maybe I just don't even need to keep talking about this.
Yeah.
One of my friends was like, Hey, it's cool.
I mean, you, you do review laptops and you invest in a laptop company and that was fine.
So like, yeah, I mean, the thing is like, I, my personal commitment to you guys is that
I'm not going to let it affect anything.
I haven't let it prevent, I haven't let my investment in framework prevent me from recommending
another laptop over framework.
At the end of the day, you guys are just going to have to trust me.
And this is really like, this is really frustrating for me because I know of other tech creators
who have undisclosed investments.
We're not actually required to disclose anything.
I mean, we also know of tech creators that have taken, oh,
I don't want to start up drama.
Yeah.
I'm just going to keep going.
Yeah.
Um, so the thing is like, on the one hand, I think you, it's, it's really easy to pick
me apart and say, Hey, Linus is invested in framework.
So he, you know, whatever, uh, is bad and stuff.
Um, but the reality of it is like, guys, um, take the devil, you know, I guess it's what
my takeaway would be.
Yeah.
Um, and so, yeah, I, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to pull punches.
I think that again, this is, this is a guy slash company who knows that I'm going to
be his biggest critic as an investor.
And because we've got had a long time, long-term working relationship, I'm, I'm comfortable
with it.
So that's, that's why I have soft confirmed, uh, the amount will be quite similar to my
investment in framework.
So it's about a quarter million us dollars.
And um, if it comes to life, whether I make back any money or not, I'm going to be stoked
on that investment because I really want this software to exist.
It would be nice.
Yep.
There's just, there's something wrong with every DIY NAS software.
And the tipping point for me was when I was at home, I had gotten the email like a week
earlier and been like, I don't want to deal with this because I, I don't want to think
about what's involved in saying yes, but I don't want to say no.
I understand why they're coming to me, but also they're putting a lot of pressure on
me.
I kind of wish I wasn't in this situation was kind of was what I was thinking.
And then, um, for, for a number of reasons, I had to set up a NAS with something other
than Unraid.
So I'm, I'm using Unraid as my main like virtualization NAS and it's got all my hard drives in it.
And I was, um, I was setting up a NAS that was going to be using SSDs for a significant
amount of the storage.
Unraid still doesn't support trim on SSDs, which is catastrophic for both performance
and the lifespan of the drives.
And I was like, well, that's not acceptable.
So you know what?
I'm a set up true NAS and I was going through setting up true NAS and I started drafting
an email back to, back to this person with everything about setting up true NAS that
is just needlessly obtuse.
And I talked to myself into it.
I was like, clearly the product that I want to exist does not exist and it might not,
it might not be needlessly obtuse.
Is needlessly obtuse.
Don't make me show it to you.
In a professional stance.
No, it's neat.
Oh, well, yeah, sure.
But I'm talking about personal at home NAS, which like doesn't need to be overly complicated.
There are some people that are gonna gonna have home labs and they want that level of
complication because it's like an experimental ground for them.
There's no reason for it to not work out of the box.
No.
You can have complication and you can have it be endlessly configurable.
I'm not arguing with that, but it should work out of the box.
Or if you press a thing that doesn't work, that contradicts another thing, it should
tell you.
If you're gonna pop up an error message, it should be a verbose and helpful one.
No, I reject that.
I think an error message being verbose and helpful makes sense.
I don't necessarily think-
But that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
I don't know a hundred percent what you're describing, to be clear.
That's what I mean by obtuse.
Well, that's not always what that means.
Okay.
Because you could mean there's too many options or too many settings or whatever else.
No, no, no.
Okay.
So obtuse means like it's kind of like needlessly complicated or like unnecessarily difficult.
So here's something.
Yeah, but okay.
You can't rename the root zpool-
Okay.
Unless you use the command line.
You can do it in the GUI.
There's a GUI place to rename it, but you can't.
You just can't.
Okay.
But you can totally do it if you just like enter two commands.
So why don't you put a thing in the GUI and on the backend, it just issues those two commands.
That's fair enough.
Okay.
That's obtuse.
Yeah.
Okay.
So an SMB network share can be created, but cannot be accessed unless you create a dataset
for your zpool and happen across the little dropdown to set it to SMB type.
That's obtuse.
So you would want it to automatically do that?
That took me two days to figure out.
I would want it to prompt me.
When I create my SMB share, it should say, hey, you haven't created a dataset for your
zpool and set it to SMB type.
Or you haven't set your zpool to SMB type.
Clearly, I want an SMB network share and if there's a dependency, I should be prompted.
If you have a GUI, it should operate like GUI software.
I think that's fair enough.
I do want to defend like command line straight up versions.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's not my problem.
My problem is if you have a GUI that has a field and there's no operating system breaking
problem that prevents you from changing that field because you can totally just do it with
two simple commands, then you should be able to just change it.
That's obtuse.
That's what that word means.
Yeah.
Also like every other NAS software I've ever used, missing the most basic of buttons, the
restore everything to default button.
Yeah.
How on earth does that not exist?
Anyone can accidentally change something, anyone, no matter how experienced.
There should be a, hey, just reset to defaults both with or without destroying datasets.
Factory reset settings is a nice thing to have.
So this is just, this is the kind of, oh yeah, it was a total pain in the butt to verify
that I had installed to a mirror.
Once you're booted, it's like not obvious that your boot drive is mirrored, which was
really annoying, hidden behind some stupid dropdown, deleting a random extra directory
required a command line for some reason, like just obtuse.
Which again, requiring command line, I don't have a problem with on its own, but when it's
for normal users, then yes.
If it's to delete a directory that like I can view, but just is impossible to remove
unless I go into the command line, any who obtuse.
And so that's, that's, that's my hope.
That's what I hope this would solve.
That's what I hope.
Oh man.
I feel like we were looking at the topics for this week's WAN show thinking like, what
are we going to talk about?
And we have been live for like over two hours and I told you, we can, we can riff on stuff
sometimes.
Yeah.
iCloud now has end to end encryption and the CSAM thing where they're, where they're searching
for child sexual abuse material in iCloud photos has apparently been scrapped.
They will still be monitoring iMessage.
The FBI is none too pleased about the increased iCloud encryption saying in a statement, this
hinders our ability to protect the American people from criminal acts ranging from cyber
attacks and violence against children to drug trafficking.
The British are apparently super upset about it as well.
Obviously we are, we take a realistic approach.
We are mostly pro encryption, pro personal privacy, but also understand the other perspective,
I think is kind of fair to a fair way to, to frame our stance on this sort of thing.
I also just, I don't know, man, I don't, I don't trust Apple that much.
I mean, I guess technically, technically this is, this is verifiable.
It's just that the way that Apple protects their Chinese users data is not very protected
at all.
It's I don't know, they've, they've, they've shown a willingness, they've, they've, they've
gone to, they've gone to bat for user privacy before.
Like the San Bernardino killers case was a, was a really high profile one, but then they've
also completely caved when the stakes are high enough like that.
If you go into, if you go down the rabbit hole on that data center that they are mandated
to store all Chinese users data on and how it's like essentially run by the CCP, okay.
And once you have physical access to a server, nothing else matters.
So Xbox games are $70 now though.
Yeah.
Are PlayStation games as well?
I don't think so.
Can we just, can we talk about the fact that this is even news?
Like the fact that games were pinned at $60 basically from my childhood until now is incredible.
Yeah.
How much would that be doing a inflation calculator thing?
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Let me, I'll, I'll do it real quick.
I'm looking up.
Uh, so, oh, this is probably Canadian modern warfare two on PlayStation is $90 Canadian.
That doesn't, that's probably about 70 bucks.
Yeah.
Cause I thought, I thought PlayStation did it already.
That's why I was saying this, but maybe I was wrong.
I don't know.
In 1992, if I purchased an item for $60, then in 2022, that same item would cost $127 and
45 cents, which in fairness, if you buy like a complete package or all the DLCs, many games
actually do cost that much, but there's been this, there's been this, um, unwillingness
or inability or whatever it is, there's, there's been this, this block that has kept game developers
from especially con console from deviating from this like 59 99 sell price.
Yeah.
I think they would have to all do it simultaneously for like the triple a 69 $9 price thing, um,
or whatever it is, but are 59 cause that'd be six.
Apparently PlayStation has been $70 for PS five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Sony blinks first.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's.
And that's a difficult thing to do because you're competing against another console.
And if that other console, all their games is 10 bucks cheaper, like, I don't know, that
can be rough.
Yeah.
This is pretty big.
Uh, Adobe is going to be selling AI stock images.
I have so many issues with the art.
They brand this as amplifying human creativity.
I mean, I think it can, but when it's trained off of other people's art, it's such a huge
issue.
I went to someone commented on last episode, um, saying that they were stunned that I had
never heard of something, uh, in the notes, there was some thing they, they fed GPT three
prompts into this other thing and it gave them interior design stuff.
And I had never heard of the thing that they used and it was an AI art program.
Yeah.
So I went to go check it out the front page for this.
I don't already don't remember the name.
It doesn't matter.
The front page for this AI art thing puts, I think it's like six or nine random recently
generated AI art photos on the front.
One of them was like almost freaking identical to something that I've seen before.
So I like called my girlfriend over and showed her and was like, I know where this photo
came from and I want you to see it before I go look for it so I can prove that I called
this.
Yeah.
And I went and found the original and it's like almost spot on.
It looks like someone did some like fairly mild filters in Photoshop where it's like
done.
Like it's really close.
People are trained with other people's art.
It's not the same at all.
That's a bad take.
It's, it's like when you, when you farm it out this way, it becomes not similar.
Yes, of course people are trained off of other people's art.
People are trained off of other people's everything.
That's how like learning works.
But when you have it copy, it becomes a bit of a problem.
Now these things being original works becomes very questionable.
Their generative AI policy prohibits submissions based on third party content, including text
prompts referring to people, places, property, or a particular artist's style without authorization.
So the prompt can't be a particular artist's style, but it can be trained off of that artist.
That I don't know.
They're saying that they are going to seek to compensate people whose art is used to
train the AI.
And of course, this is a process that we have no way of actually validating as outsiders.
Yeah.
We're heading into interesting waters.
Apparently some PlayStation five games are $80 by the way.
Oh yeah.
Hmm.
So that means Xbox games are still cheaper.
Yeah I guess so.
Depending on, depending on which one.
Is it $79?
When they say it's $70 now, is it $79.99 or is it $69.99?
I don't know.
I would hope they mean $69.99.
Yeah.
Yep.
Man.
Ah, see, I'm already, I'm already screwing it up.
We're supposed to stop calling $69.99, $69.99.
We're supposed to call it $70.
I don't know if it's going to work.
James is right, but I just don't know if it's going to happen.
Oh, merch messages.
What about them?
Hit me Dan.
I'm going to hear from Elliot.
What do you think the education system can, will do to counter the use of AIs like chat
GPT for cheating?
I guess, you know, you could also think about these Adobe AIs as well.
Luke and I talked about this afterward.
I mean, I think one of the big things is going away from assignments that are right this
thing and moving towards assignments that are more based around critiquing or validating
a thing.
I think that, I mean, you know, what's interesting.
I was thinking about this after we talked and one of the things that we did in our,
in my like challenge English class was we would actually have to write the entire assignment
in class sometimes.
Is that valuable?
This comes back to the calculator question.
Yes.
Okay.
It's, well, it's valuable for the teacher because it's valuable for the student.
Oh, okay.
Yes.
Like is doing five times five valuable in a world where you have calculators?
But that's not what you're doing because in this case we're talking about essay writing.
So what you are doing is you are practicing the process of making an argument, which no,
you are not going to be able to replace with an AI because you're going to have to make
arguments verbally as well.
So you are, you are training the skill of creating an argument, backing it up and then
summarizing your argument.
That's what an essay is.
And for the teacher, they are, they are then marking, not just your, your grammar and spelling
or whatever else.
They are marking your thought process, your ability to construct a cogent argument, which
is arguably the most valuable possible life skill.
If you cannot convey your ideas in a convincing way to other people, what possible hope do
you have?
That's why I liked, we've talked about this before when my, I've found a teacher that
wouldn't mark me on my punctuation quite as hard all the time because there was no way
I was going to ever get that right.
Yeah.
Because of the dyslexia stuff and whatnot, like it was always going to be a problem.
So it was nice when he started grading on those things a little bit more and that makes
sense.
You know what?
Something very fun to do is ask GPT how classrooms should operate in a world that has GPT in
it.
Oh, interesting.
It actually gives like pretty good answers related to kind of what you were just saying.
Oh, cool.
I wasn't actually in disagreement.
I was just challenging the statement.
But like, it's, I won't have to fire you.
Oh, good.
My job remains.
As long as you don't actually disagree with me publicly, that was an almost straight face
delivery of that.
I am 100% joking.
I feel like I have to clarify that these days.
Good.
I don't have to fire you.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's interesting.
It talks about just doing things in, in when it would be a problem, potentially slightly
different ways.
Having people do observed original creation a little bit more like you were just talking
about but it also talks about how in some cases, not that one the calculator problem,
like what is really the point if the point isn't something slightly alternative like
maybe you should get them to, to do things that are more alike what they would do with
this output because output is not always going to be perfect or it might not always be what
you're looking for.
So you need to learn refinement and you need to learn like, yeah, you could just grade
harder.
Yeah.
Like that's another thing too.
Like if, if the assignment is a book report on the adventures of Tom Sawyer or something
like that, you could basically tell them, look, you can use any tool you want, including
an AI generator.
But know this, if you get a plot point detail wrong or you have a spelling error, you immediately
lose 50% of your grade because I'll be able to tell you didn't read it.
So you need to know the subject matter cold in order to tell if the AI output is actually
accurate.
I like this one.
Someone said have more in-class debate.
That's an interesting one.
There's maybe some problems with that.
I don't know.
Yeah.
If someone participates in class and like oral participation is sometimes it encourages
the wrong people to participate too much and doesn't allow some of the more thoughtful
people, especially if we're talking like high school, some of the more thoughtful people
to really share what they're thinking.
There's no perfect solution.
So what you really need is a balance of different approaches.
I think really the most important thing, and I've been surprised at how many don't, I've
also been, okay, yeah, I've got a couple of things to go over.
I think it's very important that teachers are aware of its existence and that they don't
necessarily continue following the exact status quo that they have been for a while because
this is going to change the game.
Something that I've been surprised about, people have been throwing around usage statistics.
They got to 1 million users in five days, which is pretty crazy.
And they've been comparing that to other meteoric rises of other things like Instagram and Facebook
and yada yada.
Sure.
I'm actually surprised it's not more.
Really?
Maybe the speed, like five days to get to 1 million.
Okay, sure.
I'm just surprised the number that it got to wasn't actually higher because I'm stunned
that every student that has heard of this is not immediately using it.
Yeah, because the window for using it is very narrow.
Yeah.
The education system is going to respond.
They have to, and it's still online now.
It is now bookmarked and always open on my computer at all points in time because I have
started using it.
Because that's how he's always been doing his work anyway, by cheating, so he might
as well cheat more efficiently.
I mean, if I could, why not?
But because it's not school.
I've never done a real day's work in my life.
If you can take shortcuts that are good, like one of my best friends growing up used to,
this is not how he said it, but he effectively said being lazy is a virtue because, and he's
a backend developer now, it makes sense, because he will find ways to not have to do this repetitive
task or whatever.
It doesn't mean he's worse at it, but he's going to be creative and inventive to
make it so that that thing is better or is now automated or whatever else.
And like, yeah, you should use the tools you have.
But I use it in place of Google search sometimes now, I'm careful.
You got to validate.
You have to validate.
But like, yeah, there's fairly simple things that I'll Google to try to get an answer for.
And I'm like, okay, I got three ads, I got some clearly click baity websites that are
just throwing, like something that I hate doing is searching for reviews of like anything
that isn't a section that has large creators behind it, because you're just going to get
all these websites that are just like Amazon click farm websites that just try to give
you like, oh, this is the top 10, DVD oil, whatever, snowboarding goggles, like scuba,
like anything that you're looking for, it'll just be like, ah, and what are they actually?
Well, probably the top 10 products on Amazon and every single one of them has an Amazon
link because they just want you to use their affiliate so they can make money.
That's all they actually want.
It's not actually good.
It's so annoying.
So with like those types of things, it's nicer to be able to just ask GBT and have it spit
out an answer that is actually an answer right away.
It might not be right and you need to verify and you need to make sure that it's not like
complete crap, but it's usually if you know that it will confidently lie, in my opinion,
it's not that hard to notice when it is.
But you have to be aware that it will do that.
Yeah.
Dan.
Sure.
Do you want to stay on the same vein or switch to something else?
Yes.
Okay.
This one's from Bryant's.
Stack Overflow has banned the use of chat GPT completely, blanket ban, all of it.
Do you think this is the right move?
Do you think we need some sort of AI detection for these kinds of systems?
Not going to lie.
I was reading.
What do you think?
Can you counter the AI?
Okay.
Now the third one.
The third one.
Yeah, the bottom one.
There you go.
Wait, the bottom one?
No.
Stack Overflow has banned the use of chat GPT at all.
So I heard about this.
Do you think this is the right move?
Do you think we need some sort of...
I don't think there's anything they can do about it.
Yeah.
How are they going to prove it?
Yeah.
The outputs from chat GPT seem to be unique.
It's like banning being gay.
People are going to do it anyways.
It just is.
And so all you're doing is forcing something underground, which is not beneficial to anyone.
Yeah.
It's...
I don't know.
I don't really get the...
There's a lot of controversy around this because people think it's going to take their jobs.
I don't necessarily think so.
And banning it ain't going to change that.
That too.
So I'm pretty strongly of the opinion, and I've talked about this offline.
I don't think I talked about this on the show much.
And I felt this much more strongly after watching Theo's video on this.
Am I going to be able to...
Yeah.
So Theo, the CEO of Ping.gg, we use them for our remote calls.
So when I was in France and Serbia and we had to do WAN Show, we used Ping.gg.
We've used them for remote calls for a while.
He makes YouTube videos as well, and he has a pretty good video on using it for development.
Now he's much more of an advanced developer, so he was not as interested in using it all
the time, because I think the best use case for it right now is for people that aren't.
So he's more interested in things like co-pilot and whatnot, because he's actually going to
get in there and write stuff originally.
But he got it to do some impressive things.
He also got it to fail, which is, I think, what pretty much everyone has done who's been
using it.
But yeah, after watching his video, I felt this even more strongly.
I think companies that do layoffs, say GPT-4 comes out and the new chatbot is like crazy.
These numbers are going to be wrong.
If I remember correctly, oh man, what was it?
GPT-3 is on like 300 million or 3 billion functions that it was trained on or something.
That's probably wrong.
And GPT-4 is going to be like, what is it, like four times or five times as much?
Like GPT-4 is going to be a big jump, theoretically.
You have some diminishing returns and whatnot, but it's going to be a big jump.
GPT-4 will be over 500 times larger than GPT-3.
That means that it would have roughly the same number of parameters or connections as
there are synapses in the human brain.
So you think GPT-3 with a chatbot is pretty cool?
GPT-4 is coming, baby.
It's going to be nuts.
So like this is happening and it's going to get a lot better.
Does it have flaws right now?
Yes.
One of the big ones that I've talked about is the rate limiting stuff.
That's a thing.
If it could just write and write and write and write and write, it would be significantly
stronger.
One of the problems that I'm having my normie friends run into right now is they try to
write it, get it to write some code for them and it doesn't work.
And they ask me why it doesn't work and they send it to me and I'm like, oh, because yeah,
I mean, it stopped writing partway through.
It's truncated.
This code doesn't end.
But it's coming.
And I think the companies that do mass layoffs, because whatever version, maybe like GPT-7
becomes good enough that you can replace certain levels of developers with it.
The companies that do layoffs because of that are going to be the ones that fail long term.
And the companies that go, wow, the developers that we have on staff right now are so much
more just betterer that we are producing at a higher rate, that we are more competitive,
that we are this, that we are that, our code base is more stable because people are able
to spend more time working on maintenance tasks, all these different things.
The companies that see that and either they don't fire, they either stay at their current
staff levels or they hire more because their company is more effective at doing the thing
that it tries to do are going to be the companies that succeed.
I feel quite strongly about this.
I think you're going to see companies take short term gains in the way of laying off
people to lower their salary count that they have to pay compared to their income.
And then you're going to see other companies that don't take those short term gains.
They keep working at the level that they have been and they just start massively outperforming
this other company that laid people off and this company that laid people off is going
to go bye bye and the company that didn't is going to notably succeed.
I think and deeply hope that that's what's going to happen.
With that said, there's been some pretty good discussion in the float plane chat about why
Stack Overflow might have banned it.
And there's two good reasons.
One is as a cover your ass move so that if someone does something catastrophically wrong
based on an answer they got in the forum, they can point it and say, well, that was
like an AI generated thing, which is totally banned on our site.
We'll remove it.
Sorry about that.
Number two is because it's spitting out a lot of wrong answers and they don't want to
pollute the validity of the information on their site with these GPT outputs.
So they're hoping that by banning it, they will get fewer chat GPT outputs that will
lead people down the wrong path, maintaining the brand perception of their site.
So I think those are pretty valid reasons.
They should find a way to get chat GPT to pay them for probably learning off of their
website.
But as it's completely open, I don't know if that's really a realistic thing.
Yeah, I mean that makes sense.
It does do a lot of, I've said it every time and I try to say it very often just in case
people haven't used it before and they start using it, it is confidently wrong often.
You can help that a little bit by refining your inputs and whatnot.
But yeah.
There's a meme someone put out, which was like before GPT chat, whatever, I spend, what
was it like six hours writing code and I spend six hours debugging code.
It's like after GPT-3, I spend, I think it's like 35 seconds writing code and I spend 24
hours debugging code and it's like, yeah, there are, there are those types of problems
with it.
So it's definitely not perfect.
It's just, it's just quite incredible to have in the tool set.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think we're selling a Kalinan about that today, the 30 seconds to write code.
This one's from Noah though.
Hey, Linus and Luke, what are your thoughts on using large language models in game development?
It's just all AI today.
I feel like even though they can't have their own opinions, they can be perceived like they
do.
Yeah.
Kind of cool.
It already has been.
If you just like walked up to an NPC, like a random NPC and could have like a long conversation
with them.
I feel like it could be really good for immersiveness, but really bad for game play.
Like it, it's really cool if, again, if you want to go down a rabbit hole, I've recommended
one rabbit hole already this show, but this one's really cool.
Look into the ways that game developers will try to guide the player through the level,
through the experience, be it through lighting or through studying player decision-making
and creating mazes that are hard, but you can totally get through them.
It's incredible.
And so muddying up the important data that the user may gather from non-player characters
with genuinely engaging conversations could be a big problem.
There's also down that same line, in the same way that people who design malls and you see
a ton of this in Vegas, there's lots of like neurological stuff with how you perceive light
reflections and different colors of things and whatnot.
So different malls and whatnot will be designed in a way that they use certain materials on
the floors, in the hallways and different materials on the floors, in the shops to guide
you in different directions and to make it difficult to leave.
That's a big one.
It turns out that you're just a monkey and someone is playing you.
There's lots of ways to influence you and people try to do it all the time.
There's peoples with doctorate.
There's lots of people with doctorates whose whole job is to keep you using certain apps
and services.
Yeah.
That is totally a thing.
They're going to get you.
Okay.
But yeah, I like that idea.
I think Dan even mentioned this in the chat, but one of the problems that I would see with
that is prompts, but you could feed it prompts based on your actions in the game or like
your details about your character, stats about your character, all this different types of
stuff.
I think in game conversation to an interesting, different level, especially because you can
get large language models to speak in certain ways, but you can get it to speak like a pirate.
So like that wouldn't even be, that's probably, that's pretty cool.
A couple of people have brought up how useful it is for dwarf fortress because it generates
so much text, but isn't written very naturally and chat GPT can like fix it right up, which
is pretty cool.
That is cool.
All right.
What's next?
Okay.
I got a super important one here for Luke.
I got an ideal sandwich for you.
Your ideal sandwich.
All right.
Thank you producer.
I think probably two RTX six thousands.
I got so many comments about that.
And I knew I would the second.
So I say RTX six thousand in the, the shadow video and the amount of people that were like
RTX six thousand doesn't exist, idiot, and I'm like, I linked a bunch of people to the
page and then eventually I was just like, I'm not going to respond to these anymore.
Cause there was so many of them.
On float plane.
Why didn't video just keep the Quadro branding?
Yeah.
It would have been a lot better.
It would have been way better.
So that anyone actually knows what the heck you're talking about.
So RTX six thousand is a dumb name.
I was, I was happy on float plane, the ever better comment area that there was only like
one person that said it and people responded being like, here's the link.
This is what it is.
He didn't actually just make that up, but on YouTube there was none of that.
Go YouTube.
But yeah, I'm assuming the sandwiches question is coming from me calling them GPU sandwiches
in that, in that video.
They might just want to know what kind of sandwiches you like.
Also that I don't know.
I like lots of sandwiches.
I'm boring.
I'm a tuna guy.
Tuna is okay.
What about like a, like a Turkey sandwich.
Get that mayo.
Get some of that salt and pepper on there.
Yep.
All right.
Chicken grilled cheese sandwich.
I like black forest ham sandwiches.
Okay.
All right.
So you'll eat anything that moves.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sandwiches are good.
All right.
Fine.
Yep.
A lot of sandwiches don't move.
Sandwiches are beautiful.
Sandwiches are fine.
I like sandwiches.
I eat them all the time.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
I thought that was a real question about sandwiches.
I didn't know what's going on.
This is from a Kalan.
Do you have any tattoos?
Any notable tattoos around the company?
There are notable tattoos around the company.
Yeah.
I don't have any though.
Me neither.
Yep.
You're going to often find that we're rather boring.
Yes.
Like a lot of vanilla.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually maybe not too much vanilla.
Just, just a reasonable amount of vanilla.
Yeah.
Okay.
The next one here is from Ethan.
How long do you think it will take for Intel Arc to be competitive in the creative slash
professional market?
Blender already supports it, but it's my understanding that it kind of sucks.
The long time.
Go ahead.
If you have specific AV1 rendering tasks that are stable, it seems to be quite good.
Yeah.
I think they might mean like at like Solidworks and stuff though.
Yeah.
I haven't done any of that stuff.
Yeah.
I haven't done any GPUs yet.
So let's, let's not put the cart before the horse here.
Give them a second on that one.
Yeah.
They're focused on data center and gaming and there's a whole lot of in between that
I think they can fill in later.
Bill asks if Nintendo wanted to collaborate on LTX expo, would you accept them as a sponsor?
I think we would disclose to them that we're not that happy with a lot of the things that
they do.
They have not been all that interested in working with us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean.
I think probably because we've been quite open about this for a very long time.
Yeah.
I think that one's a non-issue.
And finally, Eric E asks, big fan of the show and the channel.
One of my hobbies outside of tech is cooking.
What are your favorite pieces of tech that you use in the kitchen?
I love my microwave.
You still haven't used it have you?
Technically tech.
I used the jewel once.
Did you?
Actually it was a few weeks ago.
How was it?
Fine.
I didn't leave it in.
I'd used it for steaks.
And I didn't leave it in the like long time I left it in the minimum amount of time.
And that was a huge mistake.
Ah.
Yeah.
You don't do that.
So they were pretty tough.
Yeah.
They were cooked.
It's somewhat.
But they weren't good.
Somewhat defeats like the whole purpose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was, I was in a hurry to cook and I was like, Oh, you know what?
I'm totally going to try the jewel lol.
That's one of its big downsides is if you're in a hurry.
You probably don't want to use it.
Yeah.
Don't use it if you're hungry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got to like know that you're going to be eating a meal in a while and then be willing
to go set it up.
Yeah.
And then it's pretty good.
And it's not, it's not going to make like the best steak you've ever had, but it'll
consistently do a really good job.
Yeah.
And you still need to sear it.
You seared it.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Definitely.
Barrington.
Barrington.
The Linus be like, this water is too spicy.
Yeah.
That's fair.
I think that's pretty much it for the show today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
We will see you again next week.
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Bye.
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