Okay, I believe we're live. Welcome to the WAN Show. Am I streaming on the right one? Yes, I hope so.
So, I know, I know, we are about as late as we've ever been, and I did promise that the new streaming equipment, video capture equipment, would help significantly with that.
But there is also a reason why we haven't done our official, like, the WAN Show set was updated video yet, and that is because we haven't really done anything about our audio situation yet.
We definitely need some kind of piece of dedicated mixer hardware. That will definitely happen at some point.
But basically, in a nutshell, I was super loud, Luke was super quiet, he's Skyping in from TwitchCon right now, the little, like, volume thing in the corner, you know, the bling bling thing, was crazy quiet.
The playing back videos that we recorded from last week were crazy loud, and then playing back videos we were test recording just now was, like, normal, and then apparently it's all normal and we spent a bunch of time diagnosing something that wasn't a problem, other than that our system audio is infected by gremlins on the streaming computer, which shouldn't surprise anybody.
Are you surprised, Luke? Sorry, this is so funny, I looked towards my webcam in your picture, but actually I should be looking over here. Hi, Luke.
Hello, how's it going? You have a very nice hat. Do you want to explain your hat?
Oh, yes, I was working on my PlayStation 4 water-cooled project that is hardly my project at this point, because Jake did most of the work, but basically my intro involves a rant about the PlayStation 4 Pro and how, like, if I had to upgrade my PlayStation 4 and spend $400 every three years to get better graphics,
well, that's starting to sound an awful lot like being a PC gamer, isn't it? Anyway, the rant involves Doritos and Mountain Dew and this hat and anger, so it should be pretty good.
Also, I saw someone in the Twitch chat saying, Linus, you should be spending time with your baby instead of being on a land show.
And I would love to, except that my baby is still safely tucked away in mama's uterus, so there will be no spending time with that particular baby other than, like, kind of poking it through her stomach, which doesn't really appeal to her, nor does it really appeal to me.
I gotta confess, I am not that into the whole unborn babies thing. Like, you know, people-
I'm not into the whole unborn or born babies thing.
Yeah.
One step further.
I mean, the thing though is, like, people are like, oh, it's magic, it's just as magical as an iPhone, and I'm just kind of like, you know what, I cannot get the scene from Alien out of my head.
Can you tweet on a baby belly? I don't think so.
Tweet on a baby belly? Yeah, okay. Oh, sorry, we're back to the iPhone comparison, sure.
But, like, some people get all, like, oh, it's the magic of, like, they want to put their hands on and, like, ooh, the baby's kicking.
The other night, I was, like, mostly asleep, and I had my arm over my wife, because we're adults and we're allowed to do that, and the baby kicked so hard through her stomach that I jolted awake, flipped out.
I'm like, ah, and I woke her up.
I am not a fan.
Not a fan of baby in the tummy.
So smooth.
Yeah, so when the baby's out, we'll talk, and the baby will not respond, because they don't speak English yet when they are born, and they're therefore not a lot of fun.
Not that I'm saying people, you have to speak English to be fun, I'm just saying being able to communicate at all is super helpful.
It's like, you could just say, I'm hungry, instead of, ah, ah!
Oh my god, I got so limited sleep last night, that because of one of those situations, I'm not going to add way too many details, but, ah, bird, way too much time is exactly what happened.
Yeah.
Just reinforcing why I don't want one.
Fair enough, man. Alright, we should roll the intro, speaking of things that...
I do want an intro.
Yeah, I do want an intro, let's do that.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, so why don't we get things started with our first big topic of the day, the Galaxy Note 7.
This was originally posted by Daring on the forum, the original article here is from TechTime.
TechTime, TechTimes, the TechTimes, alright.
Linus is screen sharing, oh, look at that, he's still there, ah!
That's right, that's what I spent 45 minutes setting up today.
At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
So, Galaxy Note 7 replacements, they might not explode, but they might overheat and drain the battery while charging.
Samsung just cannot catch a break here, can they?
I would assume, because the losing charge while it's charging thing, it was losing 1% of power every second, first of all, that seems a little insane.
Second of all, he's probably not using a first party charger, not that that even matters.
Not that it should matter.
But he could be using like a 0.5 amp charger.
Right.
Something that's not made for charging notes.
Still, losing 1% of power every second while charging.
That's still insane.
That's still, like, something's wrong, although this was one user who was reporting this.
I think he might be exaggerating a little bit, because that's 100% to dead in under two minutes.
So, Samsung said this problem is completely unrelated to batteries.
They haven't stated if the problem is present in units replaced in other countries, aside from South Korea.
So, so far, everyone who's encountered the issue has been in South Korea.
And the good news is there are no reports of devices catching fire, at least.
Yes.
So, that is a small victory, a very small inconsequential victory.
In other news, it really doesn't get much better for Samsung here.
Are you posting links in the chat, by the way, or am I doing that?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, the next one here is from hardware.slashdot.org or money.cnn.
I'll go with slashdot.
Wow, slashdot.
That's like a blast from the past.
Right.
I remember slashdot from like 10 years ago.
Apparently, it still exists.
So, there's that.
Ah, Samsung may have a new problem on their hands after the US warns Samsung washing machine owners after explosion reports.
There's a picture that goes along with it if you want to show that.
Oh, yeah.
Where is that?
Post that picture in the chat.
All right.
Let me see if I can figure out that picture in the meantime here.
Ah, yes.
There we go.
So, the scariest part of this one is this could affect units all the way from 2011 to 2016.
So, here's a picture of, you know, what appears to be a bowed out washing machine.
It's unclear right now.
I mean, this is not the world's most gorgeous wall in the first place.
No.
But it's unclear to me if this hole in it is a result of the washing machine explosion.
The picture is documented by a Texas woman who claims it exploded during use.
She's part of a class action lawsuit against the company currently.
Wow.
Samsung currently has declined to comment on the litigation at all, which is not super surprising to be completely honest.
With this type of a claim, they would want to do investigations before trying to claim anything.
So, I'm not too surprised that they haven't said anything yet.
But they have issued a statement that said they're talking to U.S. authorities about how to address safety problems.
Said in the statement that in rare cases affected units may experience abnormal vibrations that could pose a risk of personal injury or property damage when washing bedding, bulky or water resistant items.
Want wall.
You know the like Fight Club thing?
The like Fight Club thing.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be talking about it.
Investigating car accidents and seeing if there's been enough of a certain type per car for it to be worth doing like a recall or whatever?
Yeah.
I wonder if like there's going to be like Fight Club 2 and like pretty early on in the intro it shows him and he's like, I investigate phone explosions and washing machine explosions to see if it's worth doing a recall.
Oh, someone's got to, someone's got to parody it at least at some point.
That would be so awesome.
At some point it's bound to happen.
I mean, all Samsung needs is one more to reach that magic three number because one's a fluke, two is sketchy and three is a trend.
So I mean, the problem is that Samsung makes pretty much everything.
So all we need is for like a printer to explode.
Or if you're from Korea, like anything.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
They make like everything there.
If I remember correctly, there's like Samsung toilets and like Samsung, whatever the heck you want.
We almost put a Samsung air conditioner on the roof of the building actually.
Oh, our air conditioning for the server room just went in.
Oh, cool.
So there you go.
So that's a thing.
Is that loud now?
Well, it'll be just as loud until such time as I do something about the air vents that are in the door for the old ambient air cooling system.
Okay.
But at that at that time, yes, it could potentially be less loud or sketchy.
There's a UK advertising agency named Asa.
Wow.
That is investigating Hello Games, which is the No Man's Sky guys over false advertising, mainly things like having screenshots and I believe videos.
Yeah, screenshots and videos that depict large scale combat and ship flying behaviors that didn't actually make it into the game.
And I think they could go a little bit farther than that.
Those are probably just they're like cemented.
This is very easy to target kind of stuff because there was also a large amount of other claims that didn't end up being true at all.
So, yeah, I kind of have a feeling that Hello Games is going to lose this.
And I also have a feeling that the entire Internet will be okay with that.
This could have a huge impact on the way that games marketing is done in the future.
I mean, it is not unusual.
Watch dogs.
It is not unusual to end up with a situation where a game developer shows off a trailer or, you know, some kind of a concept.
And the finished game, though I can't really judge Star Citizen as they haven't finished the game yet.
And the finished game ends up not having those features or those levels or whatever the case may be.
It's seeing in World of Orca.
Right.
And while this one, you know, looks pretty open and shut because it's fairly egregious that this large scale combat that the screenshots and videos on the page depict is not in the game.
I think it would be harder to go after a situation like Watch Dogs, where it is a graphical difference, because while you and I and probably everyone in the audience can very easily see the difference between the E3 demonstrations and what we actually were delivered in the end.
I think it's going to be harder to argue in court because I would assume that the judge and jury wouldn't fully understand what's actually going on.
Whereas if you go, look, there were big ships and they would go pew pew and now there isn't big ships that go pew pew.
I think that's a more straightforward case.
I mean, some of the complaints about No Man's Sky are also regarding misrepresentation of the graphical quality in the game.
Right, which is great, but I think the main ones are the functionality things and hopefully they'll also hit them with other things as well.
Hmm.
So the complaints target Steam, but the ASA said that the ruling would apply to any other advertising for the game.
So that could be YouTube videos and or the games listed on the PlayStation Store.
This could be very interesting. I mean, as it is, game developers keep things pretty under wraps while a title is in development, but this could drive them to be even more careful.
I mean, could this potentially apply to something like a demo shown at PAX, like if I'd played Wolf Among Us is a game that is one of the few games that I've ever demoed at PAX,
just because usually the lineup at places like PAX is such that I'm just kind of like, you know what, I can either wait six months for the game to come out or I can wait six months in this lineup.
And at the end of one of those six month periods, I will get a demo and at the end of the other one, I will get the entire game.
So I think they'll have a better time getting away with that, because that could be I think you could pretty easily put a sign somewhere on your booth and say, like, game is subject to change or some crap like that.
But when it's on your store page.
Yeah, OK.
Well, go ahead.
Is that the screenshots and the videos of the stuff that they are trying to directly sell?
Right.
Then how does that apply to like early access stuff?
I don't know.
And another complicated thing here, too, is like so going back to the to the PAX game demos, let's say, for example, that the difference, OK, because we've seen this before in movies, right, where the trailer will actually contain a scene that ended up getting cut.
Right.
Yeah, that's the thing.
But there's a difference between a ha ha ha a cut scene.
Oh, no, there's a difference between a cut scene and completely pulling core functionality out of the game.
So if you're going to go, OK, yeah, our game is gratuitous space battles and your trailer has the like a cut scene and then it has like a to like legions of ships blasting each other.
And, you know, some some cinematic is gone from the completed game versus like you can only fly two on two that those are very different things.
So in something like a PAX demo, if they were to say, OK, yeah, our game is like a top down, you know, platformer.
And then someone sees that that is marketing.
So if someone sees that, tries that game and it turns out to be a racing like a mobile racing game or something like that, then I guess it becomes a gray area and a question of just how misleading it was.
What happens to if that communication comes through game journalists?
Like, say say someone goes to a show and it's not an interview and they play the game and they describe their experience and everything that they describe in their experience.
That could be seen as a form of marketing.
And then if that's not actually how it ends up going.
Hard to say, because unless they pay the games journalists and the games journalists opinions are their own.
Then that's not officially right. OK.
But what if it's still kind of an interesting area, because if you're going like this game has battles in it that have 400 ships versus 400 ships.
Yep. That's stated as a fact. Yep. That's not like this game has battles with a lot of ships and then the game journalists version of a lot is four.
I don't know. That's true.
I mean, I really want to see how this plays out.
Another thing I want to see how it plays out is Twitch news.
Twitch announces Twitch Prime.
I think we've already seen how this played out actually. There is an insane amount of subs randomly on the Linus Tech channel.
Oh really?
And like this whole stream I've been watching Twitch chat and every once in a while you'll see like, just subscribe with Twitch Prime.
So what Twitch Prime is to kind of help people out a little bit is Amazon Prime now has a component under it called Twitch Prime that doesn't cost any amount more money.
You get it when you have Amazon Prime. It gives you one subscribe per month to a channel. I believe you can like move it around but you only have one.
So you'd be able to switch it once a month I believe.
You get some extra prizes. I think they said swag in Hearthstone and Smite, although I'm not sure what that swag exactly is.
I think they were talking about getting certain games on launch and then discounts on physical copies of games from Amazon.
Now I checked that out and literally every single game that I was able to find that was discounted because of being a Prime member was discounted by 3 to 10 cents.
Whoa! Alright, rock on!
Hopefully that changes or something.
No, no, no, Luke, I could get it shipped for free.
Yeah. There you go.
You also get a badge which is like a little blue crown. You can see a bunch of people in the chat right now have little blue crowns.
I guess the YouTube bot won't be able to see that but I just described it.
Hold on, hold on. I got this, I got this, I got this. Line us to screen. Blue crowns, blue crowns. Okay, there.
Gigantic blue crowns. Enjoy.
Give me one second. I'm trying to pick up the official list of perks just to make sure I didn't miss anything.
But I think that's basically it. It's going to be interesting because this is part of the Amazon takeover, right?
So if you're giving everyone that already had a Prime account a free subscribe which is giving partners more money.
We've already seen with this channel, like last week there was almost no subscribers.
This week there is a large number of subscribers. There's literally two people just did it in chat right now.
I don't know how to check. Sorry.
It's in your partner panel and stuff. So if you go to your dashboard and then you go to partnership.
I'm the world's worst Twitch streamer. I legitimately have no idea how the site works.
Let's see if I can figure it out for you.
It's like, okay. No, no, go ahead, go ahead. Keep explaining how we have more Twitch subscribers and how that's good or something.
Anyways, it's exploded for us and I'm sure while the change in growth might not be as big for other people,
because we might have more people watching here that don't normally watch Twitch because we're not average content that is on Twitch.
We're way above average.
And we basically just got subscriptions as well so people didn't necessarily know that you could even subscribe to us.
We're in like kind of a special spot, but everyone's going to see growth and a lot of the growth could even be like,
some dude's girlfriend has an Amazon Prime account and he's like, hey, mind if I link my Twitch so I can get a free sub?
Or dude's mom or girl's mom links her Amazon account to the kid's Twitch so they can get a free sub.
I'm still confused as to how the whole Amazon Prime thing is not just an enormous cash sink.
As far as I can tell, it is.
Okay, so let's break it down right from top to bottom.
Amazon will pay me to tell you about Prime if you sign up.
Then they will give you free shipping on everything, which as far as I can tell, if you buy like...
Okay, because the benefit of Prime initially was supposed to be that it encouraged repeat shopping, right?
Because you wouldn't have to think about shipping costs when you were shopping on Amazon.
Okay, so if you buy like one thing a month, there goes the entire Prime membership for the month.
Probably, unless it's something very small.
Okay, so there's that. Plus there's video streaming.
So Amazon Prime costs more than a Netflix account, unless your Netflix is 4K I think, then I think they're pretty similar.
I can't remember how much Prime costs to be perfectly honest with you.
But anyway, so they have Amazon Prime Video.
So there's all the licensing costs associated with something like a Netflix service.
Maybe not all of them.
Actually, I have two Prime accounts. I have one Canada and one US.
I have never looked at Amazon Prime Video. Maybe I should do that.
Anyway, so there's the licensing costs associated with that.
There's the cloud storage they give you.
You can store an unlimited number of photos using Prime.
So far, what is Prime costs again?
$79.99.
For the year?
Canadian, it's $79 flat, sorry.
And that's a 13 month membership.
Okay.
So it's probably about $59 American.
Okay, so it's $11 a month apparently on Amazon.com.
Okay.
Okay.
$11 a month.
So out of $11 a month, so far we have spent all of it.
Times lots.
And then at the end of all that, they're going, okay, you can subscribe to a Twitch channel for free, which is $5.
And we will give some of that money to the Twitch channel.
One second, sorry.
So once again, oh, oh, oh, Luke had a bad burrito.
Bad burrito.
He's running to the bathroom, folks.
Oh, that's the bathroom.
Someone's already in there.
Oh no, there's been a negotiation.
There's been a negotiation.
He has been negotiated back to his chair.
Someone need ice?
He's going to go to the bathroom on his chair.
Nope.
No, I'm good.
I'm good.
Could you hear me the whole time?
Yeah.
Oh, she could too.
Oh, okay.
Well, that's awkward.
He's taking a drink.
For people that don't know, I am at TwitchCon.
What I was doing here has changed a fair amount.
So I'm streaming from a hotel room and that was someone else's room service who ended up in my room.
Yeah, so the plan actually, this is great because it brings us right into our sponsor spots for the day.
The plan was for Luke to be streaming from the Razer booth.
Yeah.
Check out the Razer broadcasting suite below.
And the talking points for Razer, there's actually a bunch of stuff that they're showing off that's,
well, that they were going to be showing off in their booth at TwitchCon
when they arranged to sponsor us to be down there covering TwitchCon and streaming from their booth.
So the Stargazer, the tiny webcam that clips onto your laptop or monitor and does everything a green screen setup does for background removal and more.
So it actually features Intel's RealSense technology, so that's the depth sensing whole camera thing.
So it can cut out things that are far away as opposed to things that are a different color, which is pretty darn cool.
As well as the Siren Pro, the mic that any streamer should look at first.
XLR input helps aspiring streamers take their audio to a professional level.
You're using that, right?
I am actually using the Siren Pro right now.
The thing that I like about the Siren Pro actually is not necessarily that.
See, I'm not using the XLR, though I probably will at some point.
Probably should at some point.
The thing I like about it is it's one of the few mics I've found that just kind of works out of the box.
Like you just set the thing and then it doesn't peak, which is nice.
That's really all I ask for.
That's all I'm asking for.
It doesn't seem that complicated.
But we've tried like six different mics on the line show.
Yeah, and then they're also featuring the Ripsaw, the world's first USB 3 capture card.
I actually don't know that it is the world's first USB 3 capture card.
Okay, I know why you said that.
I said the exact same thing because of the thing that I'm using right now.
And we're wrong.
Oh, are we?
The Ripsaw came out first by like a few months.
Oh.
It was close.
How about that then?
Yeah.
Okay.
No delay when recording and it comes out with just about every cable you need for PC and console streaming out of the box.
So it shows you what I know and you can check these products out at the link in the video description,
which will be there when you are watching this on YouTube.
Or another possibility, and I'm going to go ahead and paste all these links into Twitch chat for you guys.
Or another possibility for those links would be to see them on the Twitch VOD.
And Twitch now has the capability.
This is the last part, sort of big part of the whole upgrade announcement thing that they've been doing.
Twitch now has the capability for you to just upload VODs straight up.
So you don't actually have to stream to Twitch in order to have your video appear on Twitch.
And this is a weird reversal for them, isn't it?
First, they don't want you to leave your Twitch VODs on Twitch.
Now they want you to just upload videos to Twitch.
Yeah, they've totally changed.
Although that probably came with like Amazon just being like, servers!
Yes, that's what Amazon, that's what Jeff Bezos sounds like.
We're going to have him on the show.
He's going to sound just like that.
We're going to be like, hi Jeff, welcome to the show.
He's going to be like, Amazon!
We have servers!
And we're going to be like, wow, that's great Jeff.
Thanks for coming on.
The Fire Phone wasn't very good, but it wasn't my fault.
Two things that's interesting about this to me is one,
I think the amount of people spamming pre-recorded question mark is going to be way too insane on our stream.
I know.
My main problem with my stream is consistency because I go on work trips and stuff.
So I could legitimately pre-record them and then just have them play.
What, what?
One interesting thing is if they're just going to show up in your past broadcasts when you upload a VOD,
or if you could schedule one to play on your channel through Twitch.
I don't know how any of this works yet because it just shows up in your past broadcasts.
I don't think it's going to be super successful because that's unless they change like how people look at things on Twitch.
Because right now going to someone's past broadcast is very manual.
Yeah.
And it's tedious and they're usually not titled correctly because Twitch streamers are irresponsible.
And yeah, it's just horrible.
So if they could have it so that like you upload it, it goes into your past broadcast and then there's like a settings thing somewhere.
We can be like play this file at this time.
And that could be kind of interesting for people that legitimately just replay stuff.
Like there's certain gaming tournament channels that will replay their tournaments while various tournaments aren't live.
So you can go watch them at different timeframes and yes, it is prerecorded, but it's kind of like going and watching TV.
Yeah, it's kind of like watching like a match replay like you would on TV.
And would make it so that those guys don't have to have computers that are just set up constantly just playing like video files and streaming video files all day.
So that could be kind of cool, but I have no idea if it's going to work that way.
I'm sorry. Oh, go ahead.
So I have no idea if it's going to work that way. I just hope it does.
I'm sorry for contributing nothing to that last exchange and just repeating what you said.
I felt bad.
I've got some serious conspiracy theory nonsense going on here.
We've got people saying that you are prerecorded and that I am not and that I am actually live and that we're just extremely impressive.
Yeah, that would be amazing.
If that's even true, I would just give it to you at that point.
Yeah, right.
Oh, Noctua21 is saying we should ask NerdFusion about playlists.
I actually, I should probably talk to Sevetus over there and see what he thinks.
I'm hanging out with him probably tomorrow and Sunday, so I'm sure we'll talk about that.
Cool. Tell him I think he's nice.
Sure, will do.
Or that I'd hate him. It doesn't really matter.
I could talk to him myself.
Sorry Anki, what?
Anki gave me Maker Faire tickets.
Wow.
Nice.
So my plan to hang out at TwitchCon is maybe changing a little bit.
Dun dun dun.
Alright, this was originally posted on the forum by MasterDisaster and I think that pretty much says it right there.
The BBC reports, I got this post in the chat here.
The BBC reports that BlackBerry will stop designing its own phones.
How long ago did we say they should do this?
How long ago did everyone say they should do this?
I mean, we weren't the only ones for the last few years saying,
That's fair.
Why don't you just be a software company?
Why don't you just do an Android branch or something and become a security software specialist?
So it looks like they are finally going that route.
I have apparently lost the tab.
But in a nutshell, so John Chan, their CEO, said that he would know by September whether the hardware business would become profitable for BlackBerry.
It is now September and apparently it did not.
So they are outsourcing hardware development to partners.
Chan has stated that further devices, even ones with the iconic physical keyboard, would go on sale.
I always wanted to make sure that we keep having iconic devices, he said.
We just need to find a way to be more efficient and be able to make money.
I think we found the model.
So the company sold 400,000 smartphones in its second quarter, which is less than the previous three months.
Yeah.
You didn't find the model.
Stop selling phones.
I mean, it's a step in the right direction.
But they need to just get off the platform and just start making only software.
Man, I don't understand how they keep doing this.
I was actually reading a couple of other articles about this that aren't the linked ones here and that the notes apparently weren't pulled from.
But basically they've already got a couple of hardware partners.
They've worked with, I believe it was Foxconn and I want to say, shoot, it was some other Chinese phone maker.
Can't remember exactly, but TCL I think is the other one.
So here we go.
This one right here.
So the first touchscreen on the Android device, the DTEK50, that was released in July 2016.
So to reduce cost, this was based on a phone manufactured by TCL.
So the idea is they're going to leverage those partnerships.
They're going to kind of BlackBerry brand existing hardware, which quite frankly I don't think is inherently the worst thing ever.
And then they're going to be putting their own kind of spin on Android in order to, I guess, make it more secure or whatever.
This is something I can't really figure out why Google hasn't tackled.
Like why do we need Samsung's Knox in order to optimize Android for better security?
Well, okay, whatever.
Okay, I guess that's a conversation for another day, but there you go.
Would you consider, okay, here, Luke, you were the last one to review a BlackBerry device on our channel.
The Z10, I think it was.
Yeah, it was a while ago, but yeah.
Okay, so your takeaway from that, if I recall correctly, feel free to kind of jump in and interrupt me here.
But your takeaway from that, if I recall, was basically there were some things about it that were really good, including text messaging.
It was responsive, it was like pretty smooth to use, but not having apps is basically the end of the world.
Yes.
Okay, now there were even, even back then, there were ways to like ghetto sideload Android apps.
But it was not great.
But it was not great.
In fact, it was super dumb.
So would you consider a BlackBerry phone if they have a mostly stock Android-looking skin,
and other than that, it's just a P-H-O-N-E phone and with BlackBerry security optimizations?
It depends, like my most important metrics right now for phones personally are water resistance levels and battery life,
which is like why the iPhone 7 looked kind of cool.
And then all of a sudden it was like, no headphone jack.
And I was like, all right, probably not going to do that.
So it would have to depend on how well they did in those categories.
Right.
One thing that I really, really did like was the BlackBerry Hub.
So for like an efficiency standpoint, it might actually win.
The BlackBerry Hub was a wonderful system.
I liked it a lot more than just like standard notifications because you just see everything in one category.
It made it very efficient to skim through things.
It's like Google Inbox or whatever that was called.
So we all got kind of excited for it for a little while and then the entire phone forgot about.
But like better and for everything instead of just your email, which was super cool.
But like I'll wait and see till they come out.
If they have good water resistance and good battery, I would legitimately consider it.
Yeah, I actually, on the subject of the iPhone 7, I was talking to one of my badminton buddies who got an iPhone 7 and I was like,
so how's it not having a headphone jack there?
And he's just like, oh, I actually haven't really noticed.
I only use my Jaybirds.
And I was just like, wow, OK.
I'm officially no longer mainstream.
I'm officially like an old fuddy duddy for actually carrying around wired earphones at all times.
I have to say though, like their wireless earpods look incredibly stupid.
And I'm not even like I'm not really a fashion dude or whatever, but they just look so dumb.
There are wireless headphone solutions that don't look incredibly stupid.
But theirs are brutal.
And considering Apple often gets described as like a technology jewelry company where like what you're buying is a fashion statement.
Lifestyle.
Yeah, that's kind of brutal because they're ugly as sin.
So I don't know if people start adopting third party headphone options.
I got our Bluetooth.
I see it being a little bit more popular.
But regardless of the power of Apple to make something trendy, I think those headphones are just fundamentally ugly.
And I don't think they're going to be able to get over that.
We'll see. I mean, we will see.
But yeah, you know, white white wires on your on your earphones that that look grungy and yellow in two weeks became a status symbol.
So it's true. There you go.
I don't know, man, but at least they looked cool at the start.
Oh, oh, ouch.
OK. I don't know. For me, a phone like I'll either have to buy a charging and headphone adapter if I were to want to use the iPhone 7 or I would be just unable to use it because I.
So my earphones, I wear them while I sleep.
I always listen to music or podcasts or shows while I'm sleeping because it it helps me it helps me fall asleep.
Like it used to take me sometimes an hour or two hours to fall asleep at night.
I had horrible insomnia to the point where I was like taking sleeping pills sometimes just because I'd be like, I really need to be awake in the morning.
So I will take this sleeping pill now because otherwise I will not sleep.
And this completely fixed it for me.
The best one is I'll watch a show like I'll listen to because I'm not watching it, but I'll listen to a TV show like episode that I've heard 20 times.
And that's like it's boring and it puts me to sleep.
It's great. So, yeah, problem solved.
All I have to do is wear earphones when I sleep, but I can't charge my phone and listen to these at the same time if he doesn't have a headphone jack.
So there you go.
Everyone's giving me advice in Twitch chat. I'm not asking for advice.
I have fixed the problem.
He's been doing this for years and it works very well for him.
It's great. Anywhere from like 5 to 18 minutes.
Just get medical tape and tape over your ears so that the headphones can Bluetooth in and they won't fall out while you sleep.
No, man. You're doing it wrong.
Brilliant.
Gotta get on that medical tape game.
Wow. The entire Twitch chat is just like, oh, Francisco Elra is officially fired from watching the show.
I listen to this show because it's boring.
That's a little sad, but it's also kind of funny.
So are we, I mean, okay, this demands a straw poll.
Oh, God.
This demands a straw poll, okay?
Are we your sleep aid?
How do you feel knowing that you might help people fall asleep at night?
I mean, I guess that's a useful public service, but like, come on.
Are we your comfy pillow?
That is really not what I was going for here.
So far, 100% of the vote.
Okay, there we go.
There we go. It's getting a little better.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, come on.
Come on.
What?
54% yes.
Guys, fight the 54%, okay?
Vote yes.
Luke, come on.
What's wrong with you?
Hey, the ways I help you sleep, we don't talk about on this show.
We only allude to them.
Right, yeah.
And I can't do it from here, buddy.
Well, I mean, tell the difference.
Oh, we've got over a thousand votes.
That is like, that's significant enough that it could be considered the definition of significant.
I'm sad now.
Okay, well, at least this answers a question that you and I have posed to each other a handful of times.
Why do people watch the WAN show?
And now we know.
Because they're tired.
And it's time to go to bed.
So maybe like our time zoning thing was wrong.
We should actually be going for nighttime instead of like midday.
I had no way of knowing, bro.
I had no way of knowing, okay?
Now we know.
All right.
Hard drives are on the ropes.
Okay, there we go.
No, conspiracy theory, that's why we're late every time.
Because we're trying to be later.
You're waiting for the WAN show, you start kind of dozing off a little bit.
And you're like, okay, good.
You press the button and then you just fade off.
That's right.
Everything's fine.
You drift to sleep, everything's good, and then you never wake up.
Unless you feel refreshed.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
So this was posted by ItsMe on the forum.
SSDs are steadily displacing hard drives in more applications but NVMe.
This is interesting.
This is from Tom's Hardware.
NVMe shaping up to be the dark horse that may put the venerable hard disk drive to rest.
So this is based on Samsung predicting a collision course for SSD pricing and hard drive pricing.
Look at that.
Actually we think that will mean hard drives will be done because...
Well in the enterprise, sure.
Sorry?
In like enterprise, like cloud storage, sure.
Yeah, at the home they'll probably die off quite a bit faster.
But like being able to put critical stuff on a hard drive that you can recover if it
fails, kind of nice.
Storing things on a variety of different mediums is a good thing.
I don't know.
I don't know, I see hard drives becoming...
Okay, so here's the things to look at.
So number one, have we reached the limit of what people actually need to store?
Like yes, people take lots of photos and they take lots of videos on their phones.
And that's one of the things that hard drive makers have loved talking about at conferences
or in presentations, conference calls, where they'll kind of be like, yeah, the data storage
needs of the world is going like this.
But the reality of it is that cloud storage pricing is such that if people wanted to store
their data somewhere where they theoretically don't have to worry about it getting lost
or being vulnerable to a failed device, cloud storage for the amount that most people have,
like a couple terabytes, is pretty reasonable.
Yeah, yeah.
So have we reached that threshold where SSDs are starting to hit that one to two terabyte
capacity, where they hold pretty much everything you could need, unless you have a gigantic
Steam library and you have dial-up internet, so you need to preload everything so that
you'd never have to download it or whatever.
So we're talking edge cases where most people can hold everything they could need on their
phone or their computer or backed up in the cloud, especially looking at the way that,
okay, Google, for example, gives you unlimited photo storage through photos if you allow
them to compress the image.
Yeah.
What else do people store?
You stream all your music.
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I'm done.
This ties into, when did I bring this up?
Like last week?
I was like, when are people not going to have SATA cables anymore?
Yeah, yep.
So like this might, I still think that's a little ways out, but this might kind of advance
that up even a little bit more.
It's going to be really interesting seeing computers that don't need space to put drives.
Yep.
That's interesting.
Yep.
And then I think at that point, everything is either backed up in the cloud or you'll
have the enthusiasts who are, the guys like me that have an un-rayed box in their closet
or something because they want to be able to transcode video on the fly and they want
to be able to do this.
They want to store uncompressed Blu-ray rips on a network machine so that they can play
it back on any screen in the house.
Like there's going to be enthusiasts.
And I think for guys like that, like the hard drive is by no means dead for me, not even
close.
Yeah.
But I'm also at the point where one of the videos that I have coming soon is the most
cost effective 100 terabyte server.
And what I learned when I was working on that video is that with Seagate's archive drives,
which sit at around three cents a gigabyte or something like that, like just obscenely
low cost.
With an archive drive, I can saturate a typical gigabit home network already.
So, you could do a hundred terabytes for, I kind of want to pull up my spreadsheet now
so I don't give you guys the wrong number, but that video is coming soon.
But Seagate's archive drives are 24-7 rated drives.
They run at 5,900 RPM.
And you can buy a hundred terabytes of hard drive for, cost per gig is 2.9 cents and a
hundred terabytes for $3,000.
Okay.
So, I think from an enthusiast standpoint, all that number needs to do is fall down to
another half or another third.
And I think a hundred terabytes is reasonably all that most people could need.
And there will always be the exceptions, the people that want to back up the internet or
whatever the case may be.
Let's take this for the only channel where you'll hear someone say, I genuinely think
a hundred terabytes is all that anyone's probably going to be needing.
And obviously, 50 years from now, that might not be the case, but you look at the trends.
We are not on the same path that we were before of going from 480i being an acceptable video
standard to, now we're at 4K.
Explosion in data requirements in order to get to a point where the quality is acceptable.
And now the trend is towards dedicated hardware to handle video compression and video decoding.
So, where the hardware and the devices is so much more powerful that we don't have to
have these obscene bit rates in order to get decent image quality.
And so, I'm just kind of looking at it going, yeah, everything could be compressed on the
fly, everything could be decoded and could be converted on the fly, and I think that
is a ton of storage.
I think it's just huge.
I have yet to determine if I think 4K Blu-ray is worth it.
All my 4K Blu-rays and my Xbox One S are here though, so I'm going to be trying it out
very soon.
Is that what those Blu-rays that you just ordered are?
HDR stuff?
Yes.
Because HDR does genuinely look really good.
Yes.
Is that a good conversation though?
But that's a different conversation, I think, because HDR can also be handled, again, it's
not like going from 480i to 1080p.
HDR can be added without necessarily, okay, so we doubled the capacity of a Blu-ray disc,
going from Blu-ray to 4K Blu-ray.
We managed to quadruple the resolution and add HDR.
So we added a bunch more contrast and color information and quadrupled the resolution,
we doubled the data.
So we're not on that same trajectory anymore.
That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, is I think that we're using processing power,
which continues to increase and is pretty darn impressive these days, even in tiny little
devices, to compensate for what we normally would have just added more storage for.
And that's been partly out of necessity because storage hasn't really continued to scale
in the same way that it has, and I think that's why Samsung is making this bold prediction
where they're kind of going, okay, SSD upgrades, this is actually amazing, 40 million SSDs,
they're saying SSD upgrades sometime in 2012, it looks like, overtook CPU upgrades as the
most common upgrade that people make to a computer.
That makes sense.
And they're also saying that the SSD doesn't have to reach exactly the same pricing as
a hard drive, gig for gig, it just has to reach a point where, and we're there now,
where 256 gigs for an SSD is about the same as a one terabyte hard drive.
So that entry level capacity versus that entry level capacity, they're saying it just has
to be good enough.
And 512 gigs for me is that sweet spot where I don't really feel like I need an additional
storage drive anymore.
I can still have the two or three big games that I'm playing right now, and I can still
have all the data that I need as long as I have a NAS.
And I think everyone should have a NAS anyway.
Yeah, I still don't personally feel like that's enough in my desktop.
Are you a one terabyte guy?
I'm a fork.
You're a four terabyte, what the heck do you have on your computer that takes up four terabytes?
And I have a 16 terabyte NAS.
I know about your NAS, that's an important part of my original question too.
Mine is a slightly special use case though because it's all the games, because I hear
you, it doesn't take that long to download them because my connection isn't that bad,
but I don't want to sit and download games while I'm streaming.
Okay.
So I'd like to be able to have everything available.
I think you should just go iSCSI then.
Because your NAS would support an iSCSI target.
Would it?
I don't know.
It's pretty slow.
That NAS is not that fast.
Alright, fair enough.
It's good at holding things for a long time.
It's not really doing much else.
You know what's funny?
I don't normally notice when gaming off of a hard drive because generally speaking,
game developers are good at masking those loading times.
I mean, maybe part of it is that it's a heck of a lot better than an optical disc
and so many games are designed for optical media still.
But when I do run into trouble...
So my home theater PC, the one in my living room,
actually just has a small boot SSD.
It's actually kind of an older config at like 128 gig boot SSD.
So I pretty much can't put more than one AAA game on it if I want to have anything else on it.
Another thing that I'm going to...
Sorry, I'm going to kind of bring this up.
The amount of people that are not only...
Not necessarily that it's their job,
but the amount of people that are even just doing it as a hobby,
yada, yada, yada,
Twitch streaming, YouTube, all that kind of stuff.
The amount of people that are just doing it for fun,
the amount of people that are trying to get into it,
and the amount of people that are successful at it is huge
to the point where a lot of people that I talk to in my day to day,
when I tell them what I do, go like,
oh yeah, I've been kind of trying that out,
or I tried that out at one point in time.
Storing footage is a nightmare.
Computing stuff is a nightmare.
And Twitch streamers, I know a not that insignificant number of them
that actually archive all of their footage.
Right.
Which is kind of crazy.
I still think that's a niche case,
but I don't remember what I was saying.
The Twitch streaming archive, yeah,
there's a lot of people that are dabbling in things like YouTube right now.
Right.
Yep, that's true, that's true.
I still think hard drives will hold on,
but I think it's going to be,
instead of the thing that everyone buys for every single computer ever,
an accessory purchase.
An accessory purchase, yeah.
So either an accessory purchase for a little external drive,
or when you're ready to move to the big time,
I think NAS, I think NAS moves in.
Yeah.
So this is interesting.
This is one of the challenges for hard drive,
is that there's roughly a $40 price floor.
Hard drives have never been under $39.99,
not unless it's a lost leader or something along those lines.
Whereas, and this is something that Samsung is saying,
SSDs can scale well below $40 in much smaller quantities,
because the hard drive, no matter what,
no matter how cheaply you can make them,
you still need a casing, motors, heads,
you need the actual platters themselves.
So the platters and the complexity of the motors
and how many heads you need and how many platters are in it,
all that increases in cost as you scale up,
but you can only go down to one platter,
and that costs how much it costs.
There's pretty much nothing we can do about it,
and it's not really going to get any better.
So Samsung also figures that SSDs have displaced hard drives
in 40% of new notebooks,
and they predicted to reach 55% in 2018.
And I totally get it, and I personally definitely prefer SSDs.
Back to my story,
I don't mind gaming off of a hard drive in general,
and I forget a lot of the time
that my media PC has a two terabyte hard drive
to go along with that small SSD,
but the other day I was trying to install a game
by copying the files over the network
while trying to play a game,
and I loaded my game.
It's like Lego Batman or something,
like not the world's most demanding game.
And the game sat there at the loading screen
the entire time that those files were copying.
And then as soon as they were done, boom, game loaded.
It's like...
Yeah, that's brutal.
That's terrible.
I can't even basically comprehend
using a hard drive-based computer as my daily driver now.
Any time I use someone that's set up that way,
I'm like, man, you can make your life so much better
with a little bit of an upgrade here.
And then I point them to my hard drive SSD
configuration video thing.
I'm like, there.
Even if you buy a really small one,
like a 128 gig or something,
you can still live and it'll still be far better.
And 128 gig SSDs are pretty cheap these days.
All right, so TechRacks has convinced people
the video has 10.3 million views,
and apparently I just opened it in another browser window.
Is this old news?
I'm trying to know this.
I mean, it's iPhone 7, so it can't be that old.
So 10 days ago, TechRacks has convinced people
to add headphone jacks to their iPhone 7s.
I haven't actually talked to them about this yet,
but I think it's pretty funny.
As with every iPhone hoax,
every time this happens and it's like,
make your iPhone waterproof with these easy steps,
hit it with a hammer.
You know, like just terrible, terrible ideas.
Tightening the handset in the metal vice,
the screen starts to flicker.
He promises his viewers this is normal.
He just drills a hole kind of randomly.
He doesn't even pretend.
Like he's not even pulling a,
oh shoot, my, yeah, Theo Joe.
He's not even pulling a Theo Joe here,
where he's like trying to look like
there's some kind of science and methodology behind it.
He just pulls out a drill, drills a hole in the bottom
and goes, boom, there, now it works.
I'm amazed he was able to get far enough into the iPhone
that he was able to insert a three and a half millimeter jack
while it was still working.
You know what I noticed,
which I thought was kind of hilarious,
was like, okay, there's this screen flickering
when it's in the vice thing, but he addresses that.
When he plugs his headphones in,
it's still playing audio over the speakers.
I know.
What?
Yeah.
I don't.
I also wonder at the same time, like if.
People are just saying they did it to get attention.
Yeah, and then that multiplies the views on the video
because everyone liked laughing at stupid people.
Right.
Yeah, that seems pretty possible.
Speaking of things that are possible,
I would have never imagined this to be possible.
Tinder for sperm donors.
Swipe right for a sperm donor.
The London sperm bank is now taking orders
for customized dads in the UK.
They released a Tinder-esque mobile app
that lets women filter potential sperm donors
based on traits like ethnicity, occupation,
personality type, eye color, and more.
That's cool.
The search results are labeled with numbers like
donor 1002 instead of names.
So without getting into too many details
about my family history,
what I will say is that sperm donors can lie
and some of them might fill out their forms
saying that they are, oh, I don't know,
say, for example, a doctor
and might turn out to be a milk truck driver.
So I don't know what steps they're going through
to prevent fraud in this case.
But anyway, the app also gives women the option
to create wish list alerts for possible surrogate fathers.
If they already know what they want
and aren't interested in browsing,
it will notify them when their preferred characteristics
become available.
The selected sample will be sent to the fertility specialist
where the woman is undergoing treatment
once an approximately $12,000 payment
is made through the app.
And there you go.
Some critics say, this is great,
this is from the qz.com article,
say that there's a difference between
narrowing down food delivery options by cuisines
and choosing sperm donors by eye color.
The abundance of choice and narrowness of selection categories
they say could exacerbate the eugenic tendencies
that already exist at traditional sperm banks.
Wow.
So yeah, there you go.
It's legal.
What I would hope that it would do
is when you swipe right, say,
so you're like accepting,
it then like sends you a more detailed profile.
Apparently, all the donors in the app
have to be approved by the British Andrology Society,
the British Fertilization Society
and the Human Fertilization and Ambriology Authority
to ensure they don't have any infections or genetic conditions.
So at least there's that going for them.
How do you define a genetic condition?
I don't know, like could stupidity be a genetic condition?
Because...
Even if it runs in your family line.
All right, so thanks for tuning into the WAN Show this week, guys.
We will see you again next week, same bad time, same bad channel.
I probably won't be here.
So Luke, you'll probably be on WAN Show upload duty.
Do you know how to do it?
Uh...
Yes. No.
I think what I'll do is I will screen record me doing the entire thing tonight.
Cool.
I think I do, but it's way safer if you just do that.
I'm just going to do that. I'll put it in the WAN Show folder on the server.
Sorry, we'll take this conversation offline.
Thanks again next week.
Thanks again...
I'm rolling the intro.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Someone in Twitch chat wants me to say,
I'm not my real dad!