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The big news I mean Johnny I've yeah
Johnny I've is leaving
Apple, but it's also not the end of the world because he is going to continue to be involved okay. Yeah, so
Apple might be okay. I guess or I mean it all depends on whether you think Apple's okay now
No, so for better for okay. You know what we'll talk about it more later
Intel Intel's internal memo reveals that they are
impressed by AMD's progress
Now that is a high praise indeed that is for it to be in an internal memo
That's pretty high praise, but again like I said before we killed the stream internal memos are basically just blog posts now
Have you read the memo though? No it's
It's pretty impressed. We'll talk about it. They must have are also known. This was going to hit media and going to hit AMD
Yeah, I guess I I don't understand what they could possibly get okay. We'll talk about it more later
Yep, it's way more 2.0. Spec announced and it's amazing and probably I'm assuming still won't work at good distances
And a laser can identify people based on heartbeat at over 600 feet away, which sounds totally not creepy at all
I want that intro. Let's roll that intro boom
Those headphones is that causing echo. I don't know
I don't know how to turn the volume down. I don't even know where they're plugged in to. Where are they. Where are they.
Oh, they're plugged in way back there
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Oh here comes a train. That's what we needed. Yeah, that's what we needed more more issues today. Yeah
Perfect. It's Friday ladies
I will say in the amazing video that I don't know if it's on YouTube or not yet
But the high refresh rate gaming video yes that actually hit YouTube yesterday. The train segment was hilarious
That actually happens far more often around here than you guys would probably think I mean
It's one of those challenging things where the only place that you can find affordable commercial real estate
Go figure happens to be next to the train tracks because nobody wants to live there
Because nobody wants trains rolling by all times of the night and day when they're trying to sleep or go about their daily lives
Yeah, it's just something that we have to deal with because I
Don't even I don't even know if there is any industrial
Not near train tracks not near either train tracks or like a superhighway superhighway heavy trucking road. Yeah, something like that
Yeah, so anywhere where you're where you're gonna have a ton of noise pollution
That's where you stick your commercial zoning at least here in the in the Vancouver area. So
the reason the reason that it was particularly bad in that video and that it interrupted us more than it normally would like sometimes we
Would just roll through it like right now the trains going you guys can't really hear it
Was because in order to shoot high refresh rate video
We had to have the bay doors open to get as much natural sunlight in as we possibly could
That's why it was a problem
Interesting. So every time you double your frame rate you lose an f-stop. Is that right Brennan lose a stop?
Yeah, okay, so when you go from 30 FPS
Which is what we normally shoot at to
60 you lose a stop when you go to 120 you lose another you go to 240 you lose another you go to 480 you
Lose another then you go again to a thousand you lose yet another one
So by the time you turn something up to a thousand frames per second
If you were trying to use the same lights that we're using right now at 30 frames per second
You're basically looking at a dark frame. Yeah, like there's not much left
Actually, could we could we compare that
Or could we
Yeah, yeah, like do we have enough apertures on this camera?
This is great. Oh
Hey, we got the readout on OBS. So everyone needs to see that that's kind of cool. Nice
Okay, so we're here. Yep. This is 30 frames per second
So there's a stop. So remember this is going from 30 to 60
Okay, so now we're at 120
This is what it would look like at 240
That's what it would look like at 500 frames per second. And then this is what
So guys to put that in the proper context it looks so bright now the on-screen displays. Oh, yeah, do you mind Brandon?
Thank you. So to put that in context right now
We're shooting with two six-foot softboxes in order to well look natural
So so yeah, so you basically need direct sunlight now normally when you're shooting in direct sunlight
You would actually apply what's called a neutral density filter and D filter
Directly to the front of the lens in order to block out a ton of the light
But when it's high refresh rate you're dealing with you want as much light as you can possibly get even with as much natural light
As we could get some of it was still
Pretty dark, especially in the upcoming mouse latency testing video that we'll be releasing in the next little bit here
People are discussing aperture. Oh like aperture science. Wait, didn't Jake turn monitoring off. Those headphones are still clearly
Yeah, they're loud. We just unplug them. Not a problem. Yeah, I could
Is it around the back? Oh, sorry. I thought I was on the front. No, it's way around the back. Okay, that's
Oh boy, oh geez
Like bury them put them under your shirts
Cool
Okay, sounds good. This is the problem. I run into whenever I'm not the one who sets things up because it's like it's not complicated
it's just you know, which
Which audio source is mapped to which output?
But like if I didn't do it, I don't know exactly the way that someone else configured it
Yeah, and there's also hardware ways to do that with our setups
It's like your dad setting up your home theater system in the 90s. Like no one's allowed to touch it
You know a lot anything Logitech Harmony remote changed my life
because it's
Relatively speaking once you get your IR blasters
position
That's the main challenge is getting your IR blasters in all the right places so that it actually
Consistently activates and deactivates things also I had to contact
Logitech support to change. I think it was either my TV or receiver
I had to get them to add the menu option for power on and power off
Instead of a toggle. No, it was my home theater PC. That's what it was. So the only option by default is
power toggle and
As if any way if you've ever used a universal remote before you'll know why that's a freaking
Problem. Yeah, because as soon as it desynchronizes
Every time you try to turn the system on it turns it off
Yeah, and you end up in this stupid flip-flop and you have to get up off your butt
Which is what you didn't want to do always play video games or watch TV
yeah, you have to get up off your butt and go manually turn it on and off and
So so get this I complained about this they went. Oh, yeah, that's a known issue
We have to go into your harmony account and add that option for you and I went that's not a solution
So yes, my home theater works perfectly
But can I recommend a harmony remote to someone else who has a media PC as part of their TV setup?
No, I can't because that is a phenomenally
Stupid solution to the problem that should just be an option
Because for pretty much everything else in my setup, so I could decide
What the activity was so for your activity you can decide what the commands it sends are
Okay
So my TV has power on or power off or toggle I can decide
And what that's when you launch and when you end the activity you can tell it which ones to do
But for whatever reason PC didn't have that option at least when I said so as someone who never so mad had a harmony remote
Why do you even have to tell it that it's a PC?
well when you you have to tell it it's a PC because whenever it's takes the IR input, which is
Watch PC is what I call mine
So watch PC it then needs to blast out one after the other all the things that go with it
So it has to say receiver fire up
receiver change to this input
We and then it has to go TV fire up TV. Make sure you're on this input. Then it goes
PC wake from sleep
So it has to know what that code is supposed to be. Yeah, okay
so
Maybe so mad because I was like holding my old Microsoft Media Center remote
I was like, okay, we have on and we have off so clearly those codes exist because some devices don't have it. Yeah
And that's just a problem on the device level. Yeah, and I knew
So so basically if you want to recommend this to any one of the homes theater PC
You have to say buy it like before you even leave the store or no, you'd have to set up an account
You have to get home and part of the account creation process is calling gonna have to yeah
You're just gonna have to get now in Logitech's defense. The harmony support team was excellent. Okay
But it still made me really mad that I had to talk to them
Something that I should be able to do within the menu talking to anybody makes me mad. So like I
totally hear you
Why don't we move into like the big news this week? Yeah, Johnny I've leaving Apple
So for those not familiar, he's the bald guy with the British accent in the commercials
Yeah
Unapologetically plastic guy. Yeah
So he's he's their chief designer was hmm chief design officer
He's leaving the company Apple announced it on Thursdays. That's yesterday
He's considered and you know, I guess it depends who you ask. I'm sure there's by many people
I'm sure there's lots of people internally at Apple who were like
Yeah, maybe it's time to move on, you know, it depends who you ask I suppose but he's considered one of the most important people
at Apple responsible for the industrial design and the look and feel of all
Major Apple products including the iPod iPhone and the Mac which really raises the question. What do all the other people there do?
No design department, yeah, I'm actually serious right now
Because they have so many designers
It's it maybe like taking his ideas and actually creating them
like does he just draft ideas maybe and
Here's another question
Apple doesn't actually have that many products or okay another thing to be fair about with Apple is they seem to over credit
Individuals really hardcore, right? So that's why I like this individual person is responsible for everything that happens a lot with Apple
So maybe he's the chief design officer. So maybe he ran those things for all major products
But I have that's not the way that it gets communicated. I completely agree
But that has been a thing with Apple for a long time. So either Apple basically runs on like eight people. Yeah, or
There's maybe something else going on because this has been true for like the history of Apple. So
Anyway, sure people are gonna be on me including iPod iPhone and Mac
So he's worked at Apple for more than 20 years and he's gonna start his own design business called love from
With capital L capital F, which I'm sure is very important extremely Apple will be his first client
So he says while I will not be an employee. I will still be very involved. I hope for many many years to come
He doesn't have an immediate successor
so
Yeah, interesting. There's a couple of Alan Dye and Evans hanky
I will report to Jeff Williams the Apple's chief operating officer while I've
Reported directly to Tim Cook. There's a note in here
This is I've was first noticed by returning CEO Steve Jobs because of his colorful design concept of the iMac
So was he the like carry it by the handle colorful
Transparent iMac guy if I recall correctly. Yes, that makes sense in terms of timeline. Yeah. Gosh, I'm old. Okay. No, right
So anyway, that's both a big deal and then also sort of a nothing burger just because
He's still gonna work with Apple he's just hot take I don't think they've had very inspiring design for a while
Well, okay. So this is where I
Okay, so this is where if it gets kind of
So I say a lot
that I feel like
Apple products are designed for people who don't have a lot to do
So if you look okay, hold on yeah quick pause sure when's that competition happening? Uh,
Oh, not for a few weeks, I think okay. Yeah, so what he's referring to is the editing showdown
Jonathan Morrison from TLD is gonna be coming up here to compete in an editing showdown with our very own
Taron van hemert there was just OBS like you guys should have a like quick
Hot takes about the other platform thing before the competition like independently so Taron and
Jonathan will make their own comments
But I am not there to editorialize. Oh, I will be mostly hosting the showdown
Oh cool. That's okay. We also are working on a panel of celebrity judges
Okay, I'm not going to comment on their status yet because I don't want there to be any like pressure on them or anything
But I have certainly reached out for the premier side of things. We wanted a panel of four judges
Two that are more steeped in final the Final Cut ecosystem
Okay, and two that are more premier folks. Okay, and so I have reached out to Eber from Hardware Canucks as well as
Nico from the corridor digital crew. Oh cool, and I have received
Receptive responses from both but neither of them are confirmed. Okay, so I would love to have them on our panel of celebrity judges
But it's always complicated coordinating people with such busy schedules. Oh, yeah here in the studio
Yeah, yeah creators are difficult to wrangle it really and I don't blame them at all. I totally got it because my schedule is
Stupid. Yeah, I literally have no idea when he's in the country or not
Okay, so back to my back to my point about Apple products seemingly being designed for people who don't have a lot to do
Have you ever used Apple's calendar app?
No, it's utterly worthless
Like you just Google calendar is great. You can't sit even Google Calendar. Okay, so yeah, that's good
So even Google Calendar compared to there's a third-party app called business calendar. That's only available for Android
it's not available on iOS and
it is
full beast mode like
Tiny text you can configure it this way you can have like tiny text so you can actually read everything
And you can actually tell what the hell you're looking at meeting coordination in Google Calendar is fantastic, though
Yes, so that's the main thing. I like using it for Apple's calendar app by comparison
Simply has no way to configure it with the same degree of display density
Okay
So it seems to make the assumption that you either
Don't have a lot on your plate or you have all the time in the world to drill down and look at things
Oh, you mean like, okay, I thought you meant in terms of one like you want to be able to read everything of one task
But you mean you can read your entire day by making it all really sure you can read the entire month
Oh, like all the agenda items for that day from the month view on this business calendar app
and it's just it's a whole other level like
I I was telling Yvonne because she had issues with she had some issues with Android cuz let's face it
There's some issues with Android
Yeah, she had some issues with Android and I said look why don't you try an iPhone for a bit and she tried it?
And she was like, this is completely unusable because there isn't a replacement
She tried every calendar app for iOS also really annoying
I have to carry one now and it won't stop yelling at me about Apple pay
Yeah, yeah, I know right and like everything else. It's like hey, you should use this feature. I'm gonna pop up 10 million time
I don't want this to turn into a rant about iOS. Yeah, but
If you don't have a sim in it, there's no way to disable that. Hey, there's no sim installed
I know you're an iPod right now. Okay, I don't care
But it cannot handle that it's like no I am iPhone. Yeah, I am a phone. Where is your SIM card?
I deserve a SIM card
I was born with SIM card privilege
So yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at this asteroid week says
Our asteroid says week mode in business calendar is the best
yeah, yeah, pretty much is so it's way way so I
I end up I end up with this sort of
observation almost every time I go to use an Apple product because the amount of sort of manual
drilling down of things
Just annoys me and you know what iPad OS look at this
Just annoys me and you know what iPad OS looks like it's going to address a lot of my complaints
That's about iOS on a large screen device. iPad has been very interesting. I
Apple seems determined to resurrect this sort of I
Won't say failing but I will say stumbling business unit
they've had a really hard time convincing anyone who already has an iPad that they should get a new one and
That's been my I still the only tablet in my house is an iPad 2
Because a lot of the things you're gonna do with it doesn't really matter
You can still do it just be fine put the kids in front of it when I need a break. That's basically its only job
You entertain the young ones
Like and the thing too is that I don't even use it for that that often but it's still perfect for that because functions
It's an iPad. So you leave it for two weeks and the battery is still alive
You can never do that with an Android tablet. Yeah, and
So the very occasional time that I use it, it's ready to rock and I can go take a nap
The nap machine the nap machine this machine creates the I nap that would actually be an adorable commercial
They would never do that
Apple's marketing collateral is all about what a creative intellectual person their product turns you know
But like getting a rest
It would be cool if they just named it like a million different things and they could even go back to that like put the
Eye there and then rotate the word and they could like like for this person
It's the I nap and it creates naps for them for someone else
It's like the I create and they can throw that yeah crap in and then for someone else. It's it's I game whatever
I feel like that could be actually kind of entertainment. They would never do it. No, they would never do it speaking of things
I thought they would never do Intel internal memo reveals. They're impressed by AMD's progress. Yeah, this is kind of hilarious
This is wild. So I'm gonna try and bring up the actual memo because it's freaking awesome. Okay?
Yeah, here it is on tech powerup. If you guys want to read the whole thing, make sure you head over there
But basically, here we go
We are now entering the latest
Chapter of the tech industry single long-running business rivalry Intel and AMD have been competing for many of the same chip customers for more
Than 50 years. Oh, wait. No, this is dang it. This is tech powerups introduction
Where's a Intel's thing following in these blah blah. Oh, here it is
Why AMD is now a formidable competitor?
Wow was actually that alone a subheading in the internal memo that alone is huge, right?
Oh, man, so they basically go. Yeah, they've had two years of greater than 20% annual revenue growth
Thanks, basically to Rison and epic and then they pretty much attribute it not entirely
But a big part of it to the strategic refocus on premium high-performance products now, I
Do have to look at that and go I feel like it's a little bit
Oversimplified and or even misleading. I'm sure if AMD could have built high-performance products five years ago. They would have
They just had
Nothing. Yeah, like they had straight-up
Nothing until right now. I mean, it's not like it's not like Zen doesn't scale down to low-performance products
They can do a quad core processor if they want. Yeah, I mean, okay back to a particularly dark time in AMD's history
They could build a tri core processor. They really wanted to yeah, they just
Don't that was awkward. They're not stuck making
Just that like it scales down just fine. The issue was they just had
nothing
Anyway back to back to the art back to the memo though
So key AMD competitive threats are from high-end products
I also think that's kind of that's kind of another funny one because what do you mean by high-end products?
specifically the key AMD threat is across your entire product stack all the way from like
Hundred to two hundred dollar CPUs, which last I checked is pretty low-end. Yeah all the way to
Many core data center products, which yes is a high-end product
Maybe what they're referring to here specifically was AMD's focus on AP use because that was the whoops
AMD's focus on AP use because that was the only thing that they could build that had competitive performance
And only because their onboard graphics were so much better than Intel's not because the CPU cores were competitive
Maybe that's what they mean by this. But like I think again, that's
The little a little misleading because almost everything Intel's built in the last few years on the consumer side is an APU by AMD's definition
Yeah, the height of the APU war was kind of a pretty weird time
It was a very weird time because everyone wanted to like I think people wanted to support AMD
So everyone would flex the APU GPU performance
Yeah, and then no one would run it that way because it wasn't really good enough for almost anything
Yeah, really awkward time. Hi Ed. What can I do for you?
And I didn't how badly do you need them?
We can get that next week cool
First thing next week. Cool. Thanks Ed
Okay, so let's let's have a look at some of the other some of the other subheadings here
So man, this like this is like a scary time to be Intel like I can see why they're sending out this memo
It's like look guys. We have to acknowledge this stuff. AMD has recently been gaining some traction and winning public cloud offerings
That's a pretty big deal
Yeah, AMD's upcoming next generation Zen core products codename Rome for servers and Matisse for desktop will
intensify our desktop and especially server competition
Identify the forward firepower
The latter is likely to be the most intense in about a decade
Which is another way of saying AMD had nothing for ten years. Yeah, and it's true
okay, I
Mean they're even acknowledging the notebook and the notebooks and business PC competition. That's incredible
Now this is again sort of misleading by leveraging TSMC 7 nanometer manufacturing
AMD no longer manufactures on chips. They got to get that in there. AMD can drive higher
and higher performance
Um now they they acknowledge it later on in the memo, but that's not really the main
Reason that AMD is able to drive higher core counts. And yeah, no no performance
Yes, global foundries did stumble. We know this
but
AMD wasn't on TSMC 7 nanometer node for Ryzen Gen 1 and
Ryzen Gen 1 was a return to competition
Really? It just has more to do with AMD is modular approach to their core design
That is a big part of the reason that AMD can drive higher core counts and AMD has been driving higher core counts than
Intel for a couple of years now
The big thing that's happening now is the IPC improvements with Zen 2 that are making these
Many core desktop processors now competitive even in single-threaded tasks
Allegedly, this is all still based on AMD data and or leaks. What can I do for you?
What can I do for you? Oh, yes. Here's a prompter remote. Thank you, Dennis
so one thing that I think is kind of going on in parallel to this is
Intel's
community communication and marketing whatever you want to call it not necessarily PR to
The masses because it seemed to be pretty on top of at the very least communicating with enterprise level stuff
Right, but enterprise level stuff other than trust in terms of it will work
It doesn't really care that much. No
They'll use because a lot of these so the thing that you guys got to understand is for a consumer
They buy something with the expectation that it has already been validated for them
If you're designing a supercomputer like if we were to go to the very very high end of the enterprise space
If you're designing a supercomputer you are in some ways
expecting the hardware to have problems and you are expecting that you are that you are
Engineering a solution around them as part of your design process. That's the reason why you'll see the latest supercomputer
Spinning up when there's literally a generation newer hardware available to consumers or to the SMB
Market or whatever the case may be because that design process happened, you know 18 to 24 months ago
So yes, they get early access to the hardware so that they can work on this design
But there's there's only like there's only so much you can do like the silicon's just not finished yet
Yeah, but I think I think I noticed something so I could I went to a lot of conventions
I would go to PAX is like crazy and all this kind of stuff and Intel started doing something where they pulled out of
Conventions. Yeah was in conventions. Yeah for a very very long. They were huge at PAX up until like a couple years ago
I think yeah and Intel was like at the start of PAX and Intel was a big deal there and they held a big deal
position for a very long time and their booth kind of shrank and
Eventually, it became a little bit less experiential and check out our crazy products and it became look at our partners products and stuff like that
But it was still there. It was still really interesting. It still brought actually a lot of people in
Compared to many booths on the floor that were hardware based. They were very active
I know like Corsair was really active and stuff too, but they were very active
And then an AMD didn't really exist
AMD was not what are you doing?
I'm spamming twitch.tv slash Linus tech in the chat because people are complaining about the leg
We don't know what the issue is, but it's something to do with YouTube
But then again, it's happening
Yeah, so for whatever reason our stream is perfect on twitch
Just go actually most confusing part is that it is working on twitch, but yeah, that's cool. So here we go. But yeah, so
Right around when Intel who had this like literally complete market share
Although there's only two of them for processors showing up at conventions
They disappear
AMD shows up and AMD showed that that was literally the most perfect timing for AMD and the worst timing for Intel ever
because Intel loses this like and I know our wine conventions is like ridiculous and
Terrible and hard to track but don't talk too much about that though. We have our own convention. Yeah
But to tie into that convention
The sentiment you get from those people. Yeah, and these are influence really strong
Yeah, and then they're gonna go talk to their friends and they're gonna talk on forums
They're gonna do everything else so it spreads out like crazy
And when you can have that interaction as a hardware company in person
Which you almost never have it's super value and that doesn't mean that Intel not showing up all of a sudden generates negative sentiment
Like it's not that simple but Intel loses their opportunity to say
You know, hey, we're good to right around the time that AMD is coming in banging this. We're awesome right now
Drum, we're super awesome. Check it out and like AMD shows up with crazy booths now that are really interesting
They're doing giveaways. They have like their booths are banging and they show up out of nowhere
Yes, it's just really it and that seems to be happening. Not just at the convention level. That's somewhere where it's extremely tangible
You can see it happen Intel disappeared AMD showed up
Yeah, and they completely took over the convention space
I've been asked as a longtime Intel user by I forget whether it was over Twitter on our forum or something
I but I've been asked would you consider an AMD chip for your next rig? I was like, yeah, of course
Like the only reason that I'm not running AMD now is that it isn't the highest performance solution right now
Because the thing is and I don't want like this is not this is not a flex thing
This is not like trying to rub it in or anything like that, but I am NOT
Budget-constrained for my computer. So I have had a lot of people ask me over the last couple years
Mm-hmm. Well AMD is competitive. Why are you still running Intel?
Because it's faster
It might not be the best option if you're building different price your computers exactly
So depending on what kind of a price point you're targeting
Yeah, AMD might make a ton of sense and I've recommended AMD plenty. But no, I haven't been using it because
Why would I?
Well that looks like it might change
So depending on how our evaluation of rise and third gen goes. Yeah
It's very possible like people people treat me like I've never had an AMD computer
You know what just for fun. I'm gonna try and list out all the processors I've ever run
Oh, I can't remember this every time you do this. I'm like, I have no idea what I had. It's gonna be really hard
Okay, so the first CPU I ever owned was a Pentium 90 like this was my personal tower
I inherited it from my uncle. It was a Pentium 90 in like the early 2000s. It was like
Pretty slow. Yeah. Okay, so then the first rig I ever built for myself
Athlon XP 2500 plus heck yeah bought me that 2500 plus baby
Then I got a 2500 plus mobile because it overclocked a little better overclocked that thing to 3200 plus but guys
AMD fans speaking from the heart for heart to heart here
Okay
We were deluding ourselves if we thought that a 3200 plus was actually equivalent to a 3.2 gigahertz Northwood C
Okay, it was not that was not a thing. That was real 2% of the audience understand
Yeah, it's going on next CPU was I believe it was a claw hammer. I want to say it was a
3200 plus it was the one with less cash
Was it or was it North something shoot? Okay, so no no
Okay, so sledgehammer was FX only and then
A claw hammer was the single core whatever it was a socket
754 single core Athlon 64
it was a huge upgrade and the reason that I went to that was because at the time games were
Predominant basically exclusively single threaded so hyper threading while it was nice for your overall system responsiveness
Did not make a difference for games and games was 90 plus percent of what I did on my rig
So I picked up an Athlon 64 single core
Okay, my next upgrade was to socket 939 and the reason that I had to go from 754 to 939
I was super pissed off like that's another thing
AMD fans are so quick to point it Intel for retiring their you know, their motherboard chipsets so
Frequently and making you buy a new motherboard
It's like don't don't imagine for a second that AMD's hands are clean in all of this either
Socket 754 lasted for like 10 months or something stupid like that
I can't remember what it was and 940 on the desktop was even worse
So I went to socket 939 and picked myself up. This was the most expensive CPU I ever bought for myself
It was a 4400 plus and the reason I went for that was because it was the first
Consumer dual core processor not counting like I don't even know was itanium multi-core. I don't know it doesn't matter
The point was it was the first dual core processor that you could buy for the desktop
It was the full 1 meg cache. Was it 1 meg per core or 1 meg can't remember
compared to the
4200 plus which had less cache so that meant that with overclocking you could get full
4800 plus performance which was other than the FX line which was basically dumb because it was just an overclocked
The other thing so other than the FX line. It was the fastest consumer chip you could get so from my 4800 plus
What did I go to I?
Got an op Tron 165. Are you noticing a pattern here?
Noticing a pattern a lot of AMD why AMD isn't that funny most of my growth was on AMD chips as well
So I got an op Tron 165 and the reason for that was it overclocked slightly better
That was around the same time. I picked up as rocks very unique
AGP and PCI Express board because I had an AGP card at the time
And I wanted to move to PCI Express later cool
It was a great overclocking board shockingly other than the fact that you couldn't run one T on your memory timings
No matter what you did. I tried everything
All right from there. I went to the e6600
Now why would I do that well because Conroe was a performance?
Revolution it was a complete game changer it absolutely curb stomped the aging Athlon 64 and AMD
Didn't catch up so from there
I went to q6600 from there. I went to Q 9650 very temporarily I
Borrowed that one from work um. I think it was a QX 9650 excuse me borrowed that one from work
Deleted that I believe I was the first person to ever deal it a QX 96 you did it a work
Don't worry about it. Oh um
Interesting from there. I picked up a core i7
920 man that was a beast of a chip got myself. This was right around the time that key Monda went out of business
So keep on that yeah remember Kim on yeah, yeah, so they're a neon
Consumer lineup of memory I don't even know if this is interesting to people they might not even be watching. I don't care
So they're a neon brand they had these one gig dims that they were liquidating for I think our cost was
20 bucks a pop and at the time
That was nuts. Yeah, it was wild so NCIX bought
Everything that we could take and internally we were buying them at cost so it was sick
So I bought so I still have some of that a neon memory, okay
Hold on one one quick second here
Just sort of interest in that era upgrading your RAM was like a huge deal, so I mean a lot yes
And no no we were a little bit after that RAM was not affecting gaming performance anymore
especially because on the 1366 platform it was
Oh
Okay, triple channel memory. Yeah a little bit before six memory slots, so when I had were they two gig dims
I think they were two gigs for 20 bucks
They were if they were two gig dims for 20 bucks, and you could get the one gig ones for 10
I just remember when when when we first started playing like EverQuest I
Never played ever everybody had to go get more RAM
I had a life ever Wow everybody that I knew I had to like go get more RAM in order to play ever quest
But everything else works. I had a job and a girlfriend I
I did not I was younger though
Anyway, so sorry so okay, so I went to a 920
Then I think at some point
I moved to like like an extreme edition on that platform that I borrowed from work my extreme
That's the only reason why I can switch to Intel originally
Was because I got a retail edge extreme edition, and I was like this deal is way too good
Yeah, so of course the price performance here is wild yeah, so retail edge speaking of retail edge
I believe I went three thousand series through retail edge
And then that was right around the time that I became a product reviewer
And I started more legitimately getting chips that I could use in my personal rig from work
Yeah, so I've been running Intel since then and actually my personal rig even though
I upgraded it I did publish a video about that recently I ended up downgrading it again, so I'm still running a 59 60 X
So I am looking for an upgrade. I need Thunderbolt
Which might be a problem or maybe I could just run discrete cables, I don't know I'll figure it out
USB 3 extension cables are a bad time from my experience though. Yes, Nick is standing here very patiently
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Hey, you did a really awesome shout out for the merch and then the stream died
I did and then the stream died okay guys
Oh, right
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So question about BYOC stuff. Is that like roped off or less? Okay. Yeah, so the
You guys are starting ahead of the game because most conventions don't rope off BYOC
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Right. It's DreamHacks BYOC. They're doing it right so they know what they're doing. That makes sense
So DreamHacks freeplay is right here. The BYOC is right here the freeplay admin and the BYOC admin is here and here
This is the stream studio. I think they're planning to bring some streamers out or something. Yeah, this is the VIP special guest BYOC
So that's where you'll set up cool flow playing people main stage
Meet and greet with creators of which we have like two dozen coming now
I love how the flow
Where all the floating people are is gonna be right next to meet and greet for creators so I can just try to like poach
People as they finish their meet-and-greets. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, very cool. We're doing gladiator jousting motherboard house of cards
We have an entire palette of PCBs
So people are gonna be able to like build up you're gonna try and build the tallest house of cards from PCBs
There'll be prizes nice. We have so much
prizing
Nvidia sent over a hundred pounds of grass. I was gonna say wasn't it like you did it based on weight or something? Yeah
Yeah, it's like RTX 2080 TIs
2070s
2060s
Zotac is sending three pallets of prizing have they gone mad son
What?
That's amazing. What are they even drunking?
It kind of makes sense. Okay, I'm gonna give you another packs history thing. Sorry early day early days of packs
It was much more hardware-based
Like I remember one year Nvidia was an entire wall in the singular convention center that there was
A singular convention hall that there was and like many many many more hardware booths and back
then we would come back from conventions with like bags of swag and we would often like
Technically make more off of swag than we spent on the tickets and the trip in general
Which was like wild but that happened many times right now
You're lucky if you get like a few t-shirts because it's all gaming companies
I'm not that surprised that this is going on because it's a hardware based convention
So the hardware guys are just like yeah, I take a bunch of stuff. So which is so cool. We have
3,000 people coming each day assuming that we sell the rest of the tickets and like Saturday will be 3,000 people
Yeah, so I'm not saying everyone's gonna get like a full outfit and a gaming
Oh, yeah
no, but we are doing our best to source as much spread it out give away swag as we can and
Really? We want to encourage participation
Yeah, if people participate they will walk away with something if people don't participate. It's gonna be a lot tougher
Yeah, that's kind of the way that I want it to be. I want LTS should be highly interactive
Yeah, absolutely that totally makes sense. So back to the layout razor is gonna be there
This is gonna be fun. There's an escape VR. There's actually a lot of VR experience
So is the escape VR like a room that you have to move through or something?
I don't know exactly how it works, but it's a third-party company that like does these cool
Yeah, so it should be pretty cool
They can't hear you cuz you're off mic
It's an escape from a VR environment
There's trussing. Yeah, don't worry. It's fine
There's also like regular VR gaming
And then there's VR which isn't really VR because it's more just reality, but a camera
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Mm-hmm remote remote cars board game lounge
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And when his stuff cool so this year
There's actually gonna be a bunch of different like hardware brands there physically and it's gonna be hardcore to like CPU deleting
We're gonna have a booth for that again. So Roman der Bauer sent over a bunch of his deleting tools
He's actually gonna be there by the way, that's cool GPU repasting that's happening
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Dream hacks indie playground case toss is back and you get to toss an old
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Dream hack indie playground. That's actually I love the indie parts of these kind of shows. So it's gonna be sick. Don't miss it
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All right, we've got a couple more topics that I think we really wanted to talk about today
Um displayport 2.0. I hate displayport. Yep. I love it when it works. Yep. I hate it when it doesn't work
Yep, and it just it seems to not work for me at the most inopportune times if you have a monitor
Basically exactly next to your computer
Fantastic if you have to do anything funky with it ever it's horrible
Yeah
It's wild. Hopefully they fix that stuff in the new version. I don't know how much I trust that but you know
Hopefully it's crazy fast 80 gigabit per second of raw bandwidth effective bandwidth of seventy seven point three seven
Which is pretty nuts 8k at 60 Hertz HDR
8k at 60 Hertz greater than 8 greater than 8k 60 Hertz SDR 4k at 144 Hertz HDR
HDR and two times 5k so dual monitor. Yeah, if you wanted to daisy chain, yeah, okay at 60 Hertz, so
Basically, this is the biggest leap forward in displayport bandwidth ever. So one and one point one
Were eight point six gigabit per second. So you could do 1440p at 60 Hertz, which was a big deal at the time
Yeah, one point two double that more a little more than doubled that so you could do 4k 60 Hertz
That was a big deal because prior to that to run 4k you had to do two cables dual cable
I'm like super highly on your display, which is really cheesy. It was bad time. It's not good
1.3 and 1.4 could do up to
25.92 so that was actually a pretty small leap forward 4k 120 Hertz or 8k at 60 Hertz with DSC
Which is if I recall correctly that acronym is the compression or the lossless compression
and then
Finally DP 2.0 with I love this
I love this the like the acronym for the code name for it. Whatever you want to call it is
UHBR, which sounds like uber uber uber 20
77 point three seven gigabit per second. So this is a tripling in speed
huge nuts absolutely huge
So they've got not just one but a few different bitrate modes the fastest mode in displayport 2.0
We'll top out at 80 gigabits per second of raw bandwidth. So about two and a half times that of 1.3 1.4
It also introduces a more efficient coding scheme resulting in less coding overhead
So as a result the effective bandwidth of the new standard will peak at 77.4. So that's three times the physical characteristics
The port itself is staying. Yes
That's good both the port that we have now and the USB C connector via the DP alt mode
both the official ports for the new displayport 2.0 standard and the number of pins and resulting high-speed data lanes is remaining
Unchanged so it will continue to operate over four lanes
It also retains the packet based approach to communication
Which means that image data continues to be sent as packets over a fixed bandwidth link as opposed to pixel centric pixel clock approaches
And so what has changed is that the rest of the physical layer has been almost entirely replaced
So Thunderbolt 3 Oh with Thunderbolt 3, which is now a royalty-free standard. Yeah, and it's going to be called USB 4, I guess
Except not quite because I think Thunderbolt branding Intel is still going to be using as sort of like their
best-in-class implementation
Yeah of the USB 4 standard that is
Sort of that has a lot of optional components
So Thunderbolt 3 is truly bi-directional full duplex link two lanes allocated for each direction
Oh
And displayport is focused on sending large volumes of data in just one direction
So displayport 2.0 reverses the two inbound lanes to outbound
Cool, that's actually that makes a lot of sense. I'm stoked as long as it actually works. Yeah. Yeah
And I guess actually that's kind of oh, yeah, we can talk about the laser one. Sure
Yeah, so it's a new device developed by the Pentagon
After the US Special Forces requested it basically everyone has a cardiac signature
And they can read that cardiac signature with an infrared laser. Apparently it works through typical clothing like a shirt or a
Jacket, which surprised me Wow, but apparently not a thicker like winter coat
but still a jacket which blows my mind and I'm assuming they're gonna have I'm
I'm kind of wondering if they're including like windbreakers as a jacket hard to say
I don't know what if it's to do with thickness or to do with layers?
Layers might be a problem too. I'm not sure
But but yeah, apparently cardiac signatures are already in use for security identification. This has happened before
Canadian company that I'm gonna butcher the name of but I think it's Naimi has developed a wrist worn pulse sensor as an alternative
Alternative to fingerprint identification a little a little crazy
Apparently it can take a little while for it to kind of lock on but it does work at a fairly far distance
So it's only really effective if the subject is sitting or standing not really like moving around and stuff got it
Yeah, so 200 meters it works from pretty wild
That's crazy. Pretty wild
Um, so one glaring limitation is the need for a database of cardiac signatures
But even without this the system has its uses, but you could probably pretty easily get that
Especially at like passport stations. Mm-hmm where people have to stand there for a while. You just install it and grab it. Yeah
Yeah
Because you're handing them a passport you're giving them your name and all your information
So you have to match that up and create a national database relief called Jetson in practice. It's likely to be used alongside
facial recognition or other identification methods, but
In the long term the developers believe in addition to identification. It could be used to scan for arrhythmias and other conditions remotely
And hospitals could monitor the condition of patients without having to wire them up to machines, which I guess is cool
Yeah, but it's just yet another way that Big Brother will be watching and there's no real preventing it at this point. Yeah
this one's kind of hard to
Screw with the future is now. Yeah, just start wearing like a plate over your chest
I was thinking about but it's not just that because I think it can see it through your skin in general
Yeah, I guess they don't even have a cardiac signature in like your arm, right? Yeah
So you'd have to have clean clothes
It's only solution lead clothing. You'd have to have clothing that like ripples
Intentionally like actively ripples. You'd have to have active clothing active active IR camouflage
All right, then
You guys see you again next week same bad time the same bad channel. Bye. See you later
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Lazy ak-47 says saw you in a pulse wave commercial any other commercials. You're in or will be in no, not at this time
But it is a service that Linus media group does offer like commercial production
It's not something that we publicize a ton
so the only reason we ended up doing that with pulse way was just cuz like I
Don't know. We just kind of ended up chatting about it. Like it wasn't yeah
I don't even know if it's on our website. But yes, it is something that we do. But no, there's nothing really planned right now
Bob says cupcake or cupcakes
You know, I'm not a cake guy or a cupcake guy neither. Give me a good muffin. Oh
Yeah, okay on this topic cuz wonderful the same about this to chocolate chip cookie oatmeal raisin cookie
Oatmeal chocolate chip. Whoa, I don't think I've had that
It's amazing oatmeal is just better in my opinion
Okay, sorry, we can keep going. I'm not that into chocolate chip cookies because they're usually
Crappy cookie. Yeah, and they just try to get by on the chocolate. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Yeah
Ilia Linus, will you ever tell us about that colorful dragon tattoo you had about a half year ago?
Yeah, I was just messing with you guys. It's just a spray-on thing. Oh
That people thought that was real a lot of people did Wow, well, I kept reapplying it so it looked fresh for like quite a long time
Oh, yeah, interesting. I was just messing with people. Yeah
Video suggestion a collab with your bower since he's coming to LTX. Anyway, the problem is that everyone in their dog is coming to LTX
And they're coming for LTX and I'm gonna be like scrambling in the lead-up to LTX and then recovering from LTX
So unless they're like hanging around for a week, that's probably not gonna be feasible
Other side guy, would you agree that car culture and building custom cars and modding is similar to the PC space? Yes
Oh, yeah, definitely. Hey Linus decided to blow five bucks just to see you make a funny face
All right gap to granny
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Brian says Linus if you phase yourself out. I'm gonna Kermit
What is
What is Kermit? I don't know
Uh, David says Linus been a huge fan of your channel for years taught me a lot. Keep it a good work. Thank you
John says Andy will probably move to four threads per core before Intel just to fully
Not kick them. Uh, yeah
They probably will
Oh, what did I click? I don't know. Oh, no the down arrow maybe. Oh crud
Timo I did I got my new LTT hat and hoodie with home door delivery
Post girl did apparently say that so you didn't need to go to the post office. Man. Canada Post rocks in Finland
Great feedback
Glad to hear
Shout out to my wife Claire who is probably listening to this tomorrow says seal team ricks. Hey, cool. Um,
Midland says good evening Linus. Would you ever consider building your own studio? And what would you need in your dream studio?
What a tremendous question
So if I were to build my own studio first, I would start with a ground floor with like a library for kind of like
A quiet place to sit an editing den for all the editors to sit and work together and collaborate
Like a camera area where we can build up our rigs and tear them down and store them safely and like maybe a bathroom
upstairs from that
I put a boardroom
I put my office
I put an office for my wife who does all the accounting so she needs to build her own studio
My wife who does all the accounting so she needs privacy
I put another small office just in case we needed it in the future
Maybe a nice open space so that we could put cubicles or something like that. Nice. Nice. Another bathroom probably. Yeah, then I'd expand it
Okay. Okay, so I'd put Nick in my wife's office
I'd put her in mine and then I'd move over to the other side where there would be three offices
Luke had one of them at one point, but we would have kicked him out by then
We'd leave one of them open for like meetings. Yeah, I'd take one of them
Uh, then we'd have like an open space for the writers another bathroom
The more people you add the more people need to pee. Yeah
I'd move the camera people out into the warehouse at that point
I'd probably start with three warehouse units and I'd do like a green screen
Like an ltt set like a workshop a tech link set and then like some storage area
Maybe maybe a little nook for the wan show then i'd probably get a couple more units
I'd add like an employee lounge and some more storage and then maybe like a hardcore workshop with like modding stuff sweet
Yeah, that's probably what I do smart consider it concise. That's what I do
Um, I was being facetious that's our studio
Yeah, what did he mean
They probably didn't know that we have a studio. Oh, i'm just teasing
We have a studio. Yeah, we got our studio about four years ago. Yeah, um
Well, I could understand why people don't know because we intentionally changed the sets to look like a house
So anyone who started watching in the last year or two
Might not realize that the kitchen that we shoot in all the time is not a real kitchen
That was the whole idea. So we we wanted the videos to look less like a set in a studio
And more like we just shoot out of a house like a normal youtuber but you do videos out in the warehouse sometimes
Not that often anymore that often. Yeah
Weird that makes sense
Nicola i'm going to an english course in vancouver, but i'm missing ltx
Rude what could I do? That's tech related while visiting honestly, not much
Oh
Read it says are you going to do something ridiculous and cool with the corning op go to free g3 cable?
Oh, yeah, go to free geek do that. That's a good idea. Thank you. Um, yes, i'd love to they're supposed to send me one
But they haven't yet
uh, joshua says
There has been a way to add special ir commands to the power sequence on harmony for many years
I think logitech didn't want to blame the company for that
Uh, yeah, so the problem was that I couldn't so you have to pick from a menu
Yeah, we went over all that um
Other side guy i'm o evs haven't particularly taken off because the futuristic design employed makes them look tacky
Um, yeah, that's a fair point. That's only part of the problem though. Yeah a pork says bitcoin is on the rise again
Do you have anything in the works for a mining update? Nope, i'm out
Uh, jake likes tech says this is going toward a new stream pc. That's not the stream pcs. Not the problem
Also, see you at ltx. Okay. See you there
Johnny says og you better make ltx just as big or bigger next year. My boss told me he will
Be pay next year due to he needs me at work in the holidays. I had set aside for going so you better
We will try I honestly can't promise that like we're gonna have two dozen creators there again because that is costing me a pretty
Penny the show itself could expand though. Yes, and then maybe
Certain creators will just want to go anyways
Ryan says do you still ride your sv 650? Yes
Other side guy, what's your thoughts on australia being non-existent in the tech and gaming industry?
It's really far
That's the only reason i've never done it there's actually a lot of tech fans in australia
And there's a huge amount of tech sales that happen in australia. So the community is actually pretty decent
Getting a show out there is extremely expensive if you're not based there because pax has one but I think that's yeah
Yeah, and it's relatively small. Yeah, but again, it's extremely expensive and getting a lot of the creators
out there
Um show like pax is at the scale where they're not generally paying for creators to go
So the creators are going to be sponsoring themselves to go
Or getting sponsorships to go and both of those are way more difficult because it's really expensive
And the roi is a little bit different. It's it's a difficult market, but
Like yeah, the the tech community in australia is actually very large very vibrant. Yeah. Yeah
All right. Bye guys. Goodbye