What is up everybody, happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show!
We have way too many topics this week.
This is a serious problem.
Switch modder Gary Bowser has been released from prison with a life destroying fine.
Meanwhile, game devs have been cracking down on hardware level cheats.
This is going to be a really interesting conversation.
What else we got today?
Seagate was hit with a 300 million dollar fine for violating an export ban.
And where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
Gameplay trailer accused of being filmed IRL.
It was that convincing.
Okay.
Everyone was fooled.
That.
Everyone.
That's the title tie-in today.
Everyone?
Really Luke?
Everyone.
Let's just roll the intro.
We'll talk about that later.
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Obviously we're going to have to jump right into our headline topic, which is the gameplay
trailer that fooled the world.
Are we showing it?
Or are we just going to talk about it?
Yeah, we might as well.
We might as well show it.
I mean, what's IGN going to do?
Copyright strike us.
Oh, we could have just brought it up from like the creators.
Okay.
That's fine.
Yeah.
I mean, that's fine.
You guys are, you guys are going to want to go check it out on your own screens because
you're watching this through our compression.
Yes.
Now there are some things that are very, very convincing about this.
In fact, I think the approach of the building is probably the most hyper-realistic looking
part of this gameplay trailer.
The fact that this gets blown out as the camera's apparent automatic exposure adjusts to the
darker environment here on the protagonist's left.
But this flashlight, come on, come on.
It looks like a video game flashlight.
And okay.
To be clear.
I thought it was pretty good.
To be clear.
Okay.
I'll bring it back up.
I'll bring it back up in a second.
I am not hating on the people that were initially bamboozled here.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But when the game developer came out and said, no, this is in engine.
This is rendered on just a gaming computer.
This is just the game being played.
And people are like, no, I don't believe you.
And they, and they, they actually can't tell at that point.
I mean, really, really.
Okay.
So we'll go back.
Let's go back.
Let's go back to the game.
So I want to, I want to talk about this flashlight.
Okay.
And the way that it illuminates things.
That is not how a flashlight works.
The light bouncing is not true to life at all.
I think it's pretty good.
I think it's better than most games.
No.
Okay.
No question.
No question.
No question.
But even after, so what happened is this gameplay trailer was released.
People basically went, it looks like you're cheating.
It looks like you just recorded body cam footage and you're trying to pass it off as a game
trailer.
You're trying to pull some kind of scam, right?
And he comes out and he goes, actually no.
And he posts a no clip version of it where he's flying around.
You can, you can technically fake a lot of what happened in that no clip version.
You can technically fake anything.
I agree with Linus actually, but I'm just, I'm throwing some counterpoints to try to
make it more interesting.
You can technically fake a lot of what happened in the, in the no clip.
Sir, you can fake a battle with a sea dragon in Shang Chi.
That doesn't mean that what he did is not perfectly valid evidence.
I completely, ah, okay.
Hold on.
I actually have a bit of a counterpoint for that.
Okay.
Let's bring up the no clip.
Let's bring up the no clip.
Okay.
Unrecord, unrecord.
I actually, I have it on my screen full screen.
You've got it?
Okay.
I'm coming over to you.
Go for it.
So I'm going to go back to the beginning.
Okay.
This is it.
So here he is in the environment showing the, the way the auto exposure, quote unquote,
handles things.
And then he goes, also, that is not the angle at which arms come out of an actual body.
So no.
Here we go.
Those reflections in the water look great jump cut slightly.
And I want to make it really clear.
I am not saying that this is an ugly looking game or that this, this hyper hyper realism
appearance that it has is not hyper realistic.
It's hyper realistic.
It's amazing.
It just looped.
This is back to the beginning.
Okay.
So, okay.
So some of my arguments, there are easily things that this developer could have done
to make the, the no clip proof significantly more obvious as actual real proof that's not
actually that like hard to fake at all.
I think that they did it this much so that there's just the slightest bit of doubt in
some people, because that is getting us to talk about it.
I think this was tactical.
That's fair enough, which is fair enough.
However, I think the, I think the developer is very smart and did this entirely on purpose.
Personally, I did not need the no clip because there are some fairly obvious tells.
And I mean, maybe part of this and the people after the no clip basically saying, I still
don't believe you, la, la, la, la.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you guys because, and maybe part of this is that I do this for
a living.
Like I pixel peep and evaluate the graphical fidelity of things and look at new rendering
features and their implementations.
I actually do this for a living, but to me, there's some things that stand out.
If you sent this to me and said, okay, what is this?
What is this bokeh effect here?
Obvious post-processing.
That is not real bokeh.
I think another thing that really, really benefits all the footage is because it's trying
to recreate this effect of like janky body cam.
It does a bunch of stuff like this where it actually, it looks, it's intentionally lowering
its quality while having really, really high quality assets.
So that, that makes it so much more believable is these, these like actually really rough,
like kind of bad screen effects that they have going on make it so much more believable.
It's a, it's a very interesting effect.
The way that they handled the motion, the way that they handle the perspective and the
camera shaking.
So cool.
That this is, uh, you know, like piloted by expert.
So I have some theories that, um, just like in Tarkov, there's independent head control.
So in Tarkov, if you hold down your middle mouse button, it doesn't matter where your
firearm is located.
You can look around like this with your head.
And I think that's going on in here.
And the, the developer, whoever has just ran through the scenario a bunch of times.
So they did it at really realism effective times, if you know what I mean.
Sure.
So when there's already that thing where you can kind of move where you're aiming and the
perspective of the, the like head of the person that you're controlling doesn't immediately
move.
So you have the firearm slightly disconnected.
That's something most people wouldn't be used to and wouldn't imagine that a game would
be capable of doing.
Like Counter-Strike Valorant, something like that.
They don't do that.
It's fixed.
There are games that do this already.
This one's implementation is extremely good and I think it's doubling up with some independent
head control and a player who is extremely adept at making this feel real.
Sure.
Like I think this is almost acted, I would say.
You know what I mean?
Sure.
Yeah.
I could see that.
I mean, it's a trailer.
Yeah.
They went through trying to make it feel like it was real, which is what they should have
done for the trailer.
But I think it's, I think we've got messy post-processing here.
The smoke.
Yeah.
The smoke is absolutely video game smoke.
The smoke is wild.
Yeah.
The angle of the arms is also wrong again.
And it's not, it's not like, to be clear, it's not bad smoke for a video game.
It's just also it's video game smoke.
Yeah.
The way that this darkness that he's standing in here is so dark, that's not correct.
Like black.
Daylight coming in here, this would be blown out, but this would have a lot more light.
And again, okay, I'm like, I was, I was actually kind of arguing with Riley about this before
the show because I said something along the lines of, where's my, where's my chat with
Riley?
I was like, really great while you're looking that up, really great area scans of where
this is.
I was like, it's obvious.
It's not real.
These people never seen a game before, must be console gamers, modded crisis can look
almost this good.
And he's like, I was, I was kind of trolling because I knew that he thought it.
Yeah.
I was, I was obviously messing with him a little bit, but he's like, bro, me and apparently
75 of the internet were like, whoa, upon seeing it.
It's definitely a whoa.
It's pretty crazy.
I was talking to Jaden about this because he's really into game engines and understands
a lot of their limitations and stuff like that.
We've had conversations in the past about different, uh, game engines.
I'll, I'll like comment about how some game looks good and he'll be like, no, it doesn't
because of these reasons that I'm like, oh, that's actually a pretty good point.
But another thing that I, it only occurred to me now that my eye is trained for is not
just the video game graphics, pixel peeping, but cameras.
I spend so much of my life working on one side or another of a camera.
And so when I see something like this, like this, this is such a perfect example where
I go, no dog, this, this, uh, ceiling, this rooftop, this roof up here absolutely has
strong reflections on it because of the reflectiveness of this water.
This is not correct.
Um, it's very obvious to me because I know what a webcam should look like.
Um, but see, you can see it's doing a much better job of it here after our protagonist
takes even just a few steps forward.
That wouldn't happen in the real world.
It would be more gradual.
That kick animation though.
Come on.
But the door movement and stuff, the door movement's pretty good.
Like there, there, there.
I don't want to, I don't want to trash on certain aspects.
That's very fake.
Very fake.
Very fake.
What is this flashlight?
Look at it.
Come on.
You can get extremely focused flashlights.
Yeah, you can get extremely focused flashlights, but they wouldn't have a beautifully defined
circle around them like this.
Yeah.
Dog.
No, this looks great.
Oh yeah.
One of the things that I thought of in the, in the no clip demo to make it like more believable,
he should have done object interaction.
He should have like picked an object and like moved it around, replaced it somewhere.
Right.
But it's, it's area scans.
So I don't even think you can.
Right.
Do you want to explain what area scans are?
Because I think a lot of people are probably looking at this going, this is blowing my
mind.
Does anything have this kind of graphical fidelity?
Because there was another demo that popped up recently of like a village or something.
I'm going to try and find it, but it was also photorealistic and apparently done by a single
developer.
Don't quote me on any of this though, because I'm a little bit.
Again, when I was talking to Jayden about this before the show, he looked up and, and
I think if I remember correctly, I don't want to misquote him.
I think he found that they like worked with some company to get scans.
And he was saying that like the area that they scanned isn't necessarily, yeah, Quixel
mega scan.
There we go.
I think that's what he said too.
So it's not necessarily that the area that they scanned is in this exact configuration,
but they could have made it, they could have like, you know, cut it up.
So through this door might've been like some, I don't know, medical room or something, but
they're like, oh, we don't want that.
We want that to be another part of the warehouse.
So they just like move it there and they can do that.
But these are, these are, this is like an existing area that they could have chopped
up or just not.
So when you notice things like, like something that stood out to me on my like first pass
was the, the green.
When I first looked at it, should I be on these green, oh yeah, here we go.
These green banners or whatever these are, I was like, oh, they all have unique graffiti.
Like why would they like bother to do that?
And then that's, I almost immediately was like, is this some type of scan?
And then, yeah, Jayden, without me even prompting, like immediately looked it up and yeah, it
was.
That's another thing too, because it's a scan, three dimensional things like for example,
the textures, we see some, some dumpsters and stuff inside later.
Those textures do not look three dimensional enough as you move around.
They're quite flat.
Look at this banner.
Yeah.
Really quick.
This just looks like it's a different color when you get close.
Yeah.
It looks like it's shading.
It's flat.
But as you go by, it's, it's, it, it's flat, right?
Yep.
If this scan technology improved to the point where you could scan in three dimensions,
like two, like more finely, obviously this is a three dimensional scan.
And it might've just been that like, they didn't spend enough time on that one like
sheet of plastic or whatever that thing is on the fence.
And like maybe if they got more detail scans of that individual thing, they could have
actually gotten that depth.
But it's, it's really impressive what they're able to do with this like photogrammetry scanning
stuff.
There's also, there's people that have been scanning buildings using this and then just
bringing in the untextured like depth maps and then texturing them with mid journey textures,
which is really, really interesting.
One way or another, even if it's not the kind of thing that, you know, I can look at
and go, wow, this is definitely body cam footage.
Cause it's definitely not, it's not, some people are talking about the flashlight still.
It's not just that it's a perfect circle.
That's pretty normal.
What it is, is the way that the flashlight is static.
Okay.
So the edges are kind of blurred here.
If we go back to it again for a second here.
Yeah.
Atari and full plane chat just said you can 3d scan.
Yeah.
That's why I said like, they might just not have taken as much time on that, like one
sheet of whatever.
Cause it's probably not that big.
So come look at this.
Here's something that they could do to improve this a little bit.
You see how it has this, this kind of halo around it, a real person holding a real flashlight
would have jitter rotationally and side to side and up and down.
It has no rotational jitter.
So it's just a static.
It's a map applied to the light output that is coming from this gun.
It's always the same kind of haze.
That's what makes it look unnatural.
That's what makes it look incorrect.
Not true to the real world.
Some people are still in the chat saying, I'm actually still questioning this.
Freddie Wong has done videos where he shoots actual video made to look like a video game.
Guys, no, this is an engine.
It's just getting that cool.
Check this out.
This is the one I was talking about from Taichi Kobayashi.
It's not quite as, because of the way the camera moves, it's more video game like.
It's not as convincing.
You can see kind of some fish eye to the lens, but, and yet the lens is not quite where your
eyes would be.
It doesn't have that vignetting that gives it that really convincing like goggle effect.
I think that's part of why the other one's so convincing too, is it really feels like
you're looking through goggles.
But in terms of the scans, in terms of the photo realism of this, guys, games are coming.
They're going to look like this.
This is fricking cool.
It doesn't matter.
That waterfall doesn't seem legit.
Yeah, but it...
But that house, oh, for a second there when there was none of the outside, that looked
like it could have been a Google maps screenshot.
It looks like a picture and look how different and like independently waving like all this
greenery.
It's the greenery on this one.
I'm not going to play the whole thing because I want you guys, I want you guys to go watch
it.
It's just UE5 environment art, Cliffwood village.
Go check this out guys.
That's wild.
I've never seen that.
It's oh, it's beautiful.
It's art.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, that's okay.
So that's one of my like biggest, I guess, uh, red flag concerns about this thing is
how many people it convinced and how realistic it is.
Like it's very, very impressive.
Yes, there's some tells, but it's extremely impressive with a little bit of AI and a little
bit of a little bit more polished, a little bit AI give it three or four years.
The old, when I was first growing up, I thought you were, I thought you were getting into
how this could be like dangerous, like faking things or whatever.
Oh, that is where you're going.
Oh, good.
When we were first growing up, it was Pixar.
It didn't happen.
Right.
And then that pretty quickly was like video or it didn't have video or it didn't happen.
What's truth now.
That's like gone.
Jayden was saying, you know, you combine a bunch of these things, you combine as far
as this has gotten in regards to realism with the movement and stuff like that, you combine
that with lower the resolution a little bit and it'd be tougher for me to tell, like part
of how I can tell is how sharp it is.
Yeah.
Although, yeah.
That's something I didn't even mention.
It looks too good for like body camera, webcam, or like GoPro footage.
It's too sharp, too high quality.
A lot of those things are very, they're, they're buying for like the entire country's police
force, right?
So like they're, they're, they're usually going to be pretty cheap.
They don't look that good.
Um, but yeah, you combine deep fakes in terms of how people look.
You combine the, the like voice, uh, emulation stuff that people are doing.
Uh, you combine a lot of the stuff that we see in here and even slightly improve all
those things by a little bit and the average person is not going to be able to tell like
at all.
Yeah.
This is wild.
And as long, as long as you can have a legitimate debate where there's a significant amount
of people on both sides, then what is like representable truth other than eyewitness?
This is great.
Bixby in the floatplane chat says live stream where it didn't happen.
I mean, have you seen some of the unmaskings that have happened with like, um, uh, the,
the biggest ones that I'm aware of were some live streamers in China where they were pretty
much wearing the appearance of a completely different looking person.
What?
No, I've never heard of this.
Really?
I've never heard about this on the show before.
I don't think so.
Ah, okay.
Hold on.
Let me see if I can find it.
A beauty YouTuber exposed during live stream.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Uh, here we go.
Yeah.
This is it.
This is her.
This is her.
So it's like real time, uh, appearance modification.
You see those like filter things on, on TikTok and stuff.
Yeah.
Exactly.
They don't exist elsewhere.
And when you're running them on more powerful hardware, you can do more outlandish things
with it.
So live stream where it didn't happen.
Nope.
Yeah.
We have nothing left.
The second it's video or it didn't happen live stream where it didn't happen is already
basically out the window.
Well, it's harder to apply those effects live.
I mean, you look at again, back to Shang-Chi.
If you can do it, dragons are real, um, not live, not real time.
If you can do it, not in real time, being able to do it in real time is coming.
That's what I'm saying.
Like eventually a computer will get fast enough and it can just do it.
It's fine.
Yep.
It'll be, it'll be right around the corner.
Companies like Nvidia will make sure that happens.
I do want to jump into the LTT merch stuff for this week a little bit sooner than we
normally would just because I don't want to see people ordering this and not taking advantage
of the promo.
It's very unusual for us to do this, but we actually have a launch promo coming with the
item that we are announcing this week.
Uh, meet, meet the wag hoodie is a little tiny wag hoodie for your dog.
It's so cute.
It has all the same features and quality that you've come to expect from the regular human
sized wan hoodie, but now in a convenient size for small to medium sized dogs, it also
has some dog specific features.
So the hood can be buttoned back to keep it out of the way of your furry companion.
There is a leash hole that passes through the hoodie into the inside so you can run
your leash through it.
It does have a kangaroo pocket here.
Um, does it actually go all the way through?
Hilarious.
It does go all the way through.
We actually went way over the top in terms of the quality of the construction.
Like it's even got the same, uh, built in orange accents on the sleeves.
Um, but anyway, the point is that on the back it's got this little kangaroo pouch and a
waterproof zipper that you can put, you know, I don't know, um, extra like emergency doggy
bags or condoms for all the action you're going to be getting because your dog is so
cute and you strike up so many conversations.
I can't believe your dog has a hoodie.
Small to medium sized dogs.
If you go on the site.
Oh, right.
Right.
So I was going to mention the promo.
We won't do launch promos, but we do have one today.
If you buy the wan hoodie and a wag hoodie, um, it's your, it's 24 99 for the wag hoodie,
but if you buy them together, you will get a $10 discount that's applied automatically
at the checkout.
You can match your dog.
So you can match your dog and it's not super resistant.
So if your dog was like a little bit big, it would be okay.
Uh, yeah, but do please follow the size guide very carefully.
We are hoping to expand our available sizes to accommodate larger dogs, but not for now.
Not for now.
So cute.
Um, I don't know what you're talking about.
Pretzel parkour.
Um, I don't know.
Apparently we no longer accept a perfectly working customer support.
Yeah.
All you can do is contact support and we'll try and get you sorted out.
Um, I mean better for us to not take your money than to take your money and like not,
you know, deliver it, I guess.
We're doing okay.
Just needs to contact customer support.
Yeah, you got to contact support.
Look at this.
Hey Ripley.
I can't believe Jake put this thing on his cat.
Wait.
What?
Yup.
Oh man.
It is so fun that we have so many of our staffers come in to, um, you know, model the merge
and bring in their dogs.
What a fun shoot.
Hey, there's Dennis and Charlie.
Good boy Charlie.
Ah, that was a weird spot for my cursor with it on his eye like that.
I love how his cat doesn't even seem to like mine.
No, no.
Arlo's chill.
Whatever.
What a sweetest sweater.
Arlo gives zero F's.
Uh, we have a couple of other things to announce this week.
We have two new limited edition sticker packs, computer cats and gaming dogs.
So these are going to be in the bonus bin.
I mean, you can just buy them, um, if you really want to, but they are bonus bin items,
I think.
I'm pretty sure they're bonus bin items.
Um, so these are actual dogs of Linus Media Group.
I don't know all of their names.
Maybe that's...
It is a bonus bin item.
It's a bonus bin.
Okay, good.
Maybe that's something we specify.
Uh, but I do know this cat is Dash.
That's my cat.
Um, I'm pretty sure this has got to be Arlo.
I'm not sure all of the other cats necessarily, but yep, they're, they're all actual cats
of actual people who work here and I'm sure Sarah knows, um, who they belong to.
And then the final thing is we have just launched our mystery plaid.
So the latest addition to our popular mystery series.
If you want to get a deal and you don't necessarily care what color of plaid flannel you get,
you can pick up the mystery plaid flannel for $39.99 US.
It's the same great quality, just in a mystery color.
So if you, uh, check out the woop, yep, there it is.
It could be this, it could be a this, it could be a this, or it could be a this.
Very cool.
All right.
Someone asked, is there a, uh, behind the scenes video of the photo shoot of the Wag
hoodie?
I don't know.
And that, that could be a kind of fun idea is behind the scenes of some photo shoots.
We have, we have done one.
Yeah, we did one with the three down jacket, but I'm not sure if they would have thought
to do a behind the scenes of this one.
Uh, that would be a great question for our community, uh, coordinator who I, yeah, it's
not off probation yet, but I bet if you posted it on the subreddit or something, if you're
like, Hey, attention, LMG community coordinator, don't post a bunch of other random stuff.
Cause the only one I'm going to flag for him is this one.
Um, but if you're like, Hey, is there a behind the scenes coming?
I'm sure he'd be happy to figure that out for you.
It's going to be like a million of those threads now.
No, I mean, I'll just tell him to ignore them.
So it'll be fine.
I don't want to create unnecessary work for people guys.
There's no point.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
Why don't we jump into our next big topic?
Switch modern released from prison with life destroying fine.
This is a tough one because on the one hand, one of our other topics is going to be, Hey,
thank goodness for a large fine for a change, because if you don't have the fine reflect
the magnitude of the criminal action, then companies will just treat fines as cost of
doing business and shrug them off.
But in this case, we are talking about an individual, but an individual who engaged
in commercial activities as part of their criminal endeavors.
Let's get through this Canadian fellow Canadian Gary Bowser has been granted early release
from his 40 month prison sentence on grounds of good behavior and undisclosed health problems.
The background here is that Bowser pled guilty to trafficking mod chips that allowed pirated
games to be played on Switch consoles in late 2021 as part of his involvement in Team
Executor.
Bowser was not a modder himself.
His role was primarily PR and marketing.
While Bowser's plea deal spared him substantial jail time, he's still facing a fine of $14.5
million of which he has only paid $175 through menial jobs at the prison library and kitchen.
Should Bowser get another job upon his return to Canada, his pay will be garnished 25-30%
to service the fine that he owes Nintendo.
Bowser is 52 years old and has physical limitations due to his ill health.
Assuming a typical life expectancy of 81 years, Bowser would have to earn $500,000 a year,
not including living expenses, in order to pay off his debt before he dies.
This really does seem like cruel and unusual punishment.
Yes.
The thing you brought up with like, oh, we have another topic about a company getting
slammed with a fine.
Usually we don't.
It is interesting that today we do happen to have one, but it is actually very uncommon
and something that we very often talk about is how these companies getting slap on the
wrist fines for like five to 10% or less of the profit that they made doing a certain
venture just does nothing because that's just a cost of doing business for them.
The scale of this is quite egregious though.
The fact that there's no timeframe during which his wages are garnished.
And look, I was about to draw parallels to child support where I say, look, we're not
talking about another innocent life that Gary Bowser walked out on and is refusing to support
or something like that, even with child support, when they become an adult, you're no longer
obligated to pay it.
How does this make any sense?
And coming back to a punishment that is proportionate to the means, to the capabilities of the person
being punished or the entity being punished.
On the one hand, I'm looking at it going, yeah, okay, so I'm garnishing wages, I guess
is better than taking 100% all the time, forcing him to put up a cup on the street and then
literally take that and give it to Nintendo, obviously, I guess it's better than that,
but it is clear, it is obvious that this 14 and a half million dollar sentence is completely
unattainable.
And he's also just probably screwed.
Like if we can have a probably unfortunate conversation here, cost of living right now
is insane.
Well, yeah.
Like a huge percentage of people I know if their wages just got deleted by 25 to 30%,
they're just screwed.
Yeah.
They're out.
They're just on the street immediately screwed.
So like, and he's stuck with that for life.
And as far, there's nothing in, there's nothing in our, our, our talking points about this,
but I would have to make the assumption that Nintendo would have thought of him just declaring
bankruptcy and walking away from it.
Hence the, uh, hence the wage garnishing.
So there's just no way out.
No.
I mean, honestly, if like the chance that he's going to start making, would it be better
off in prison?
Very possibly because I honestly, I don't like a minimum security prison.
If he doesn't have job prospects lined up that are very, very lucrative, then he's going
to be on the street anyways.
Like I I'm, I I've been trying to think of like solutions.
Yeah.
What would you think if it was like he, it doesn't start getting garnished until he makes
a minimum of some amount of money per year.
Okay.
I mean, I have to be able to earn a livable wage before the garnishing starts.
We can play kind of point counterpoint here a little bit.
Like I'll play devil's advocate just to be clear.
That's what I'm doing.
But my defense to that, if I'm Nintendo, right, is, well then he's just going to carefully
not declare any income above that amount and we get nothing.
Yeah.
As a country, you can't just take another homeless person though.
Like you're, you're like basically you're, I know if that rule, I know you're playing
devil's advocate.
I know.
But that's what they would say.
I get that.
But as, as the country of like Canada, I would just be like, no, because it's going to cost
the country a ton of money in this situation.
Sure.
But if I'm Nintendo, I'm kind of going, well that sure as heck isn't my problem.
And my copyright was infringed.
Yeah.
So welcome to the limitations.
I don't know.
Yeah.
It, I don't think a company should be able to just like decide that someone's going to
be homeless for the rest of their lives.
That's crazy to me, like unacceptable and absolutely ridiculous.
And what's really mind blowing to me is how, I mean, I guess that's sort of part of the
cruel and unusual punishment, right?
Is the unusual ness of it.
Countless, countless people have been involved in, you know, whether we want to talk about
a, what were they called?
Our four chips or whatever for the DS, like in, it was a court, not a company.
So I've, I've heard, sorry, sorry.
I just, I see a bunch of people saying it was a court, not a, not a company that is
like in a lot of ways true because the company can ask for whatever.
And lawyers and all this, this whole structure will encourage you to ask more than it's the,
it's the whole bargaining thing, right?
I want to sell this thing.
I'm going to ask for like, start high, settle less high.
Yeah.
So they're expect, it's going to be a very difficult conversation to convince them to
ask for what they actually want because nothing is structured to work that way.
Also it's Nintendo.
So what they want probably is blood.
Yeah, probably.
They're like massive jerks.
But the court did push it through.
Yeah.
So it really, it is on the court and that's just,
I'm just mad at everybody.
I just want to make that part clear.
Like it's, I'm not, I'm not saying the court is, is not to blame, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I just think this is whatever.
I don't personally care.
I don't know enough about that kind of stuff.
The result is not okay.
Yeah.
Our discussion question here is actually addresses how unusual this harsh punishment punishment
is and kind of asks the question, does this actually reduce piracy or, I mean, knowing
what we know about human nature, the way people gamble, right?
Are people just going to keep making mod chips?
I think it's going to be way worse.
Are four cartridges and whatever else, knowing that they probably will escape any kind of
punishment at all and probably someone else is just going to get strung up to the tree
while they continue to run amok.
All I've seen online about this in a, in a lot of the circles that I end up seeing is
just people deck thumping, like just pirate everything from Nintendo you possibly can.
That's the main communication I've seen out of this.
Like they're not, they're not succeeding in P in making people not mad.
So now there's some, there's some really good points that are being brought up by the float
plane chat right now.
Um, vinyl says, I've seen allegations that the mod chip company, not him personally,
but the company brought in an astonishing amount of revenue, uh, up to $10 million over
time.
And that is fair enough.
That is well within Nintendo's right to chase that lost revenue.
But it's pretty clear that Gary Bowser doesn't have it.
Yes.
So what, just because he was the one that you managed to nail down, so you shouldn't
go.
So, so are it feels like they're, they've gone after like a low level mob crony and
you know, pretty much book on them.
Yeah.
Staple them to the cross and kind of gone, ha ha.
We did it guys business when the boss is still walking free.
This is not the win that you think it is because if organized crime has taught us anything,
it's that there's always someone low down who is going to be put in the way to take
the fall to the machine, to satiate whoever or whatever else.
I'm not saying that what, what Mr. Bowser did is justifiable.
I'm not saying that it was legal.
Um, I'm just saying that compared to almost anything else that I have seen, uh, this really
does seem to fit the definition of cruel and unusual punishment to, to not just penalize
what someone has, but what they will ever have, uh, when we're not talking again, we're
not talking about a situation where it could be justified.
We're not talking about the livelihood and wellbeing of a child, um, you know, that had
no choice in the matter.
Um, I mean, I guess Nintendo had, well, they did have a choice in the matter actually.
They didn't have to pursue such a ridiculous punishment.
Yeah.
And like the court, the court put it through.
So just like re upping that.
Yeah.
Yes.
The court put it through massive problems.
Nintendo had the option to get the, to get the verdict and basically say, well, we're
happy to reduce this.
We're happy to reduce this, but let this be, cause that's a big part of what Nintendo thinks
is such a win here is that this is a precedent now.
Now they've got a precedent to point to and go, yeah, that's right.
Don't do it.
But it could have been, they could have made an example out of Gary Bowser without actually
destroying the rest of his life.
And you know what, from my point of view, if this had then come up again, case number
two, and they'd gone, all right, we're litigating this again.
We've got our precedent now.
We're throwing the full book at them.
I could even see it.
At least they fired a warning shot.
I still don't think so because like there's no, there's no limitations on this.
I'm not saying it would be right.
I'm saying it would be better than this.
I wouldn't have even thought, I wouldn't have even thought this is possible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The fact that there's no statute of limitations whatsoever.
The fact that the cost of living, like the livable wage in, I think he's in Toronto.
I don't know.
I don't remember the cost of living livable wage in Canada in general, but especially
in like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, these types of places is so high.
Like the cost of living in Canada versus the average income is a really, really rough calculation
right now.
Canada is constantly falling in average GDP.
Like you, you look at like the States versus Canada and the States is incomes and Canada's
incomes are going up at relatively similar rates, but Canada's cost of living is going
up at a higher rate.
So like we're getting less, like whatever you call it, play with money after your cost
of living constantly, Canada is getting really, really rough to be in.
Now he has to do 25 to 30% more on top of that.
And as far as I know, doesn't have job prospects lined up.
Like what does he do?
The other thing that's really offending me here, I think sofa King stupid over on Twitch
is proving their username kind of inaccurate here, points out, and this is a really good
point that maybe part of what we're so mad about right now, even if we didn't think of
it is the number of white collar crimes like this, that by comparison, just get a little
slap on the wrist.
That was our intro point, man.
Oh, I don't know.
I was just mad.
I was talking about companies, I guess, but yeah, I'm talking about even individual white
collar crime.
Why is the Wolf of Wall Street walking free?
Yeah.
How, why, why, why doesn't he owe whatever for the rest of his life?
To be clear, I don't, I don't know the exact details of, of what went down in that particular
particular takedown.
The point is that it doesn't matter, right?
There's plenty of examples like the, I mean the 2008 financial crisis, did anyone even
get jail time?
Pretty, I don't think so.
I don't know much about it, but I don't think so.
Yeah.
I think I remember reading that there's like one or two like fall guys.
Right.
When it was like a huge array of people, like it should not have just been that.
One per, apparently one guy, yeah.
As if one person did the whole thing.
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm just, I'm pissed.
I hate this.
It's stupid.
You shouldn't be able to condemn someone.
And that's basically what they did.
That's basically what this is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, oh, oh, here's a perfect example.
Oh, what's, what's her, what's her face?
The one that, that had the, the college, the college like scholarships company or something
like that.
College scholarships, scam startup, man, I, this is really great.
Charlie.
Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was, oh yeah, yeah, here we go.
The startup founder who fooled JP Morgan into spending $175 million on, on her startup
by just fabricating accounts.
I don't, I don't actually think she's been sentenced yet, but this reminds me, I've read
a really funny article and I'm funny and weird.
It was an article that investigated how many of Forbes is 30 under 30 eventually ended
up like in prison.
It was like a lot, like Sam Bankman freed her, the, the Martin Shkreli, I don't know
if he was Forbes 30 under 30, but it seems like he probably would have been, might've
been on the list.
Not sure.
But then there was the one with the fake, I think diabetes testing thing, Elizabeth
Holmes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Hold on.
That, that, that was her thing.
I think.
Elizabeth after Olson and before banks, according to my search history anyway.
Anyway, she has appealed her unjust conviction apparently.
So like, okay.
She wants to stay out of prison.
Someone in Twitch chat said, didn't Gary Bowser commit wire fraud, install ransomware on people's
devices and a bunch of other non Nintendo related crimes.
Isn't that what he got really messed up over at no point in time in this conversation?
Did we ever say that he was a good person?
Yeah.
I don't know anything about him.
Not even once.
Nope.
What, what I, what I said, what I started out with was that in the Canadian charter
of rights and freedoms, et cetera, et cetera, I think we have a constitution to actually
now I think about it.
I can't remember what the documents are called.
Doesn't matter.
The point is that cruel and unusual punishment is not cool and this really feels like it
to me.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's move on to our next segment here.
I just want to explain merge messages.
Those of you who are new to the show might think, Ooh, I should send a super chat or
some Twitch bits.
Hey, how about you don't do that and instead of feeding some more money into the overflowing
coffers of Amazon and Google, you could send a merge message instead.
The main benefit is that instead of just digital pixels on a screen, you can get digital pixels
on a screen and your order in the mail from lttstore.com all you have to do to send a
merge message, which you'll get your little shout out, you know, Hey mom or happy birthday
Janice or whatever it is that you want to put down there.
You can get that popping up on the bottom of the screen and you will get your order
in the mail.
Did I already say that part?
Right.
In order to do that, all you have to do is go to lttstore.com, check out whether it's
some of our new items like the wag hoodie or the mystery plaid flannel, and then in
the checkout you will see a box that will prompt you to fill it out if we are live and
leave us a merge message.
We will go through them to the best of our ability.
I am not going to promise that we are going to get through all of them.
Oh wow.
Our dashboard has been upgraded.
This is super cool.
Uh, hold on a second.
I'm just going to show my dashboard real quick.
We now have merge messages per minute.
Oh, where'd it go?
In queue.
It was here.
Yeah.
Here.
Here we go.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I thought it was cool.
We just upgraded the dashboard.
Okay.
What?
It's an announcement.
So you're going to see it.
Did it, did it go?
Is it going to go?
I don't know.
It might go.
Something.
Anyway, the point is our cool little dashboard got some upgrades.
Hey, thanks.
Floatplane team.
Um, and so we'll go through them and to the best of our ability, answer as many of them
as we can.
Dan, you want to hit us with some merge messages?
Sure.
First one that's up here from Bucky.
It's eager for a bigger wag hoodie.
He's got a 90 pound GSD 38 inch chest.
Any advice for an unemployed embedded C programmer with no online portfolio?
How to catch up on programming shifts from the past 20 years?
Yeah, I knew that ending was coming.
Sorry.
I'm not trying to laugh at you.
Um, wow.
Whew.
Uh, embedded C. I mean, Luke.
What go ahead.
Oh yeah.
Hmm.
Uh, do you want to is a question that I would ask because there are still jobs for that.
Like do you want to just look for one of those?
Uh, you don't technically have to have a portfolio thing.
What is this?
What did you do?
I didn't do anything.
Nothing.
There's something else going on.
Uh, okay.
That's really wacky, but anyways, um, sorry.
That's extremely distracting.
I'm going to click on another window so it stops doing that to me.
All right.
We're good.
Um, I, yeah, I would just try to continue with the job in your fields.
There's work for embedded C programmers.
They're like definitely is, uh, I know you don't have an online portfolio, but you, if
you've been doing it for 20 years, it sounds like you should be able to pass a coding test
or something else.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
Basically you're saying probably it would be easier to change careers outright instead
of like instead of like fully re-educated, well, no, not a hundred percent, but instead
of like fully re-educating to like some web programming set up, which is actually very
different than like embedded C programming, I would just try to stay in that lane where
there is definitely still work, right?
Not probably as much work, but there's definitely still work.
If you do want to flip over, there's an absolute vast ocean of free programming, learning tools.
Learn to code, I believe is literally a website.
I know it was like a saying a while ago, but I think it's a website now.
There's Leetcode, there's code, free code camp.
There's uh, if you want to pay for courses, there's some courses from, is it called Udemy?
I believe it's Udemy, right, that are supposed to be really good.
There's tons of places to relearn, but yeah, you don't have to.
You don't have to.
All right.
Hit us again.
Okay.
Next up from Pablo.
Luke, do you think that would be latest generation of AI tools?
Mike is muted.
Luke, do you think that with the latest generation of AI tools, that today's youth are going
to be depriving themselves of background learning just by getting exactly what they ask for
from the model?
I feel like that exact same question, but asked in a slightly different way with slightly
different parameters, could have been asked about things for the last huge amount of time.
I think I would like to think, I don't know if this is true or not, I would like to think
that most people are naturally curious and will learn more than they need to about things.
And if you want to hit a certain level of excellence, they're going to have to do that.
So I don't know.
I think it will compromise it in the exact same way that people are generally not as
good at mental math as they used to be because of the calculator, but it's not like people
can't do math anymore.
All right.
Hit us again.
All right.
Let's get into some rapid fire now too.
Linus wears the best place to post pupper pics.
Pupper pics?
Yes.
Of their dogs in the wag hoodie.
Oh, I mean, I'd love to see them on the forum.
That would be freaking awesome.
Also, the reviews on lttstore.com do support image uploads, even though almost nobody uses
that feature.
So we would love to see pictures of your dog in the wag hoodie.
And for that matter, we'd love to see pictures of your guys' setups with the desk pads or,
you know, drinking from your water bottle, extra points if you Photoshop a speech bubble
that says lttstore.com while you're drinking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, on the ABCs of gaming, I had a couple people send me pictures of them reading it
to their little ones, which is super touching.
There.
Okay.
These are rapid fire, so I'm supposed to go really fast.
Any meet and greets jewelled for LTX?
Yes.
It's called LTX.
Awesome.
I'll be all over the place.
The rest of the LTT team will be all over the place.
And we're going to have a ton of awesome creators there, some of whom are going to have graciously
offered to do meet and greets.
I'm really excited.
After you started merch messages, did YouTube or Twitch give you any push for getting away
from super chats or bits?
No, I think YouTube was appropriately embarrassed that super chats were not working properly.
Yeah, they actually were working for a bit and they seem to be broken again, so that's
pretty cool.
I don't know what else to say other than, hey guys, I mean, you know, it's not like
I turned them off.
I'm happy to, I'm happy to take money on YouTube if people just want to throw it at the screen
and have their chat highlighted in the, in the side window or whatever, by all means
go ahead and do your thing.
But I just think that merch messages not only work properly, but they are a much better
value for our viewers.
Yeah.
Also some flow plane people just pointed out, you can edit your reviews and add a picture.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
So if you, if there's a review that you've already left and you want to add some picture
context, you can do that.
I am buying this screwdriver to put together $20,000 worth of Ikea kitchen cabinets.
What tech in the kitchen that is nice touch, you would recommend?
A drill, a kitchen drill.
No, I mean like do not use a hand screwdriver to assemble that much Ikea furniture for the
love of all that is good.
Please use a power tool.
Luke, what's the, what's the most frustrating bug you have ever had to deal with?
It broke him.
The one where I start thinking and then all I can see is an hourglass turning around inside
my own brain.
Uh, I'm not going to give a specific, but literally anytime I go to be excited to show
something to Linus and then it just like immediately shatters in front of my eyes, I'll just, I'll
just insert that scenario instead of a particular bug.
It happens a lot.
I'll like be messing with this thing all day and then I'll be like, all right, sweet.
It's like our scheduled meeting time to go show Linus.
He clicks on one thing and it's just like, I do have that effect on things.
I mean it's good cause then we get to try to fix it before we release it.
But like, yeah.
And last one, any updates on the LTT laptop bag?
Uh, yes, we're working on it.
Amazing update.
All right, let's jump into another topic here.
Aim devs are cracking down on hardware cheating.
We've talked a fair bit about hardware cheating in the past, but what's funny is this particular
method of hardware cheating is not really what we focused on.
So we had talked about things like, um, a robot arm that would move your mouse for you
to point at an enemy.
So a type of aim bot that would be pretty much impossible for software to detect because
there are no additional processes running alongside the game.
This still actually wouldn't stop that because a lot of those use normal mice, right?
But the thing is that this kind of hardware cheating isn't something that I ever really
thought about in spite of the fact that I'm a bit of a keyboard mouse supremacist.
I still didn't think of it.
Activision, Bungie, and Ubisoft are evidently cracking down on cheating via hardware modules
that allow the user to bypass standard software anti-cheat detection.
So the kind of anti-cheat that they're detecting is users who are disguising their keyboard
and mouse as a game controller and then competing in game controller lobbies with the obviously
superior keyboard and mouse plus the like auto aim and aim lock that you get with a
controller unbeatable because now you can snap onto people way faster.
You can switch targets way faster and all this other kind of stuff, but it will hold
your aimer on the person.
It's three skills, three 60 no scope aim lock.
Yeah.
Right.
Like it's, it's a huge advantage.
Yeah.
So after Activision announced a new hardware pass through, so that's what it's called a
hardware pass through detection system for call of duty a few weeks ago, a large glut
of these devices apparently flooded the second hand market.
This is a cool, um, maybe unintentional positive side effect of like gacha mechanics is that
it actually punishes people for cheating because when you lose your account, you actually lose
in game items that have your own real value.
Anyway, those are very, very much a side discussion.
I still wish we'd go back to you buy the game and just have the game.
As far as my understanding goes, a lot of them just don't care and they'll just buy
the skins again.
I mean, okay.
Cause like the, the Tarkov people that cheat a huge percentage of them buy the most expensive
possible version of the game, which is like over two times the normal price and just has
like more like inventory space and stuff because they just don't, they're paying for the cheat
too.
They just money is their whales, right?
I always sit down with my kids and I'm like, okay, is that real?
No.
Do we pay for that?
No.
All right, good.
We can continue.
Now, an obvious solution to these issues would simply be to ban all pass-through devices.
However, and that's why this is here, you would also be catching folks who rely on things
like the adaptive controller crossfire controller is insanely powerful.
This is actually like one of the coolest devices that is released in a really long time because
if you see all these little like kind of dots at the top, those are all extensible
things.
Like I think it's in here.
We could take it out if we want it, but there's a huge rack of plugs on the back that you
can plug more things into the adaptable controller.
I had a friend recently who, uh, I think they like that.
So basically every, every function of the controller has its own three and a half millimeter
Jack that can be used to plug in some kind of, of device that is, uh, that is more, more
usable too.
So if you, if you're, if your arm is like locked to your side for some reason, uh, you
could have a joystick that presses up into your Palm and you move it around like this
using your whole Palm instead of just your thumb.
Yeah.
The joystick connectors are USB and they're on the side.
You could have a button that's near your head and if you have mobility in your neck, so
you could like lean into it, you could press a button using your head.
I had a buddy recently who severely damaged one of their wrists and I had suggested that
they use one of these and in order to gain input into a game that they could use while
having their hand in a cast.
These things are actually amazing and essential.
Yes.
So I was so proud of Microsoft when they released that and I still think that's extremely cool
that they're supporting it.
And so if we were to ban pass-through devices, it would be really hard to tell the difference
between a bad pass-through device for cheaters and a pass-through device for people who just
want to play the game.
Yeah.
Bungie in particular has emphasized they're focused on players who use these devices to
gain an unfair competitive advantage and has explicitly reassured players who require adaptive
tools to participate that they will not be banned.
I mean, I'd be surprised if the odd...
Get accidentals.
Yeah.
There's probably going to be some collateral damage here, but hopefully we can avoid too
much of that because that is the last thing that people who rely on their adaptive controller
to play need to deal with.
In addition to device detection, the Bungie security team will be monitoring gameplay
for unusual patterns of player behavior to indicate cheating.
However, it is still possible and even likely that these systems will sometimes flag players
with a legitimate need.
Discussion question here.
Bungie specifically defines cheating as using an outside tool to change the intended experience
of the game, in this case by removing a challenge.
Is this a good understanding of cheating and how would you define it?
See, I wouldn't just say changing the intended experience of a game.
I would say changing the intended experience of the game for another player because changing
the intended experience of the game for myself is modding.
Changing the experience for someone else is screwing them over.
And you know what?
I had wanted to talk about this actually when we were discussing the Gary Bowser verdict,
where I basically was going to say like time equals money.
And in a sense, that 14 and a half million dollar sentence is basically like handing
down multiple lifetime sentences if that's all that this person could ever earn.
You kind of get what I mean.
And so to me, it's the proportionality of the sentence that just makes absolutely no
sense here.
Yeah.
So in this same way, you know, the way that I define wrong is in the way that it affects
someone else.
Now, obviously there are limitations.
If someone were to, um, you know, follow me around and just sit there being upset and
offended every time I used the word the, I would kind of go, well then leave a goodbye.
Also enjoy life as someone who's just perpetually offended by everything.
Um, by running, he never said the sentence.
Yeah.
I was careful.
Respectful.
Very good.
Wasn't on purpose.
I was trying to catch you.
But in this case, there is a reasonable expectation from that other player that they should be
able to play the game without somebody impeding them in a way that was not expected nor intended
by the game developer.
So in our mutually understood definition of what this experience is supposed to be, you're
affecting not only your own, but you're affecting someone else's and in a way that is detrimental.
And it's clearly the definition of cheating to me.
It's clearly trying to break rules because like with the, with the keyboard mass as a
controller thing that we're talking about, you can play with a controller or you can
play with a keyboard.
You're screwing with things to make it think that you're doing something that you're not.
So there's clear intention here.
Yeah.
I think the intent is another really, I think the intent is important even if it's difficult
to prove.
Yeah.
Either way, I mean, I'm generally pretty receptive to anything that makes the gaming playing
field more level and that rewards people who play the game properly and punishes cheaters.
In this case, all I hope is that we don't see too many innocent users caught in the
crossfire.
Should we talk about the big Seagate ban?
Yeah.
Or rather the fine for violating an export ban.
I feel like I've done all the topics up till now.
Seagate Technology Holdings has admitted to wrongdoing and agreed to pay 300, agreed to
pay a $300 million fine to settle allegations that it sold 7.4 million hard disks to Huawei,
violating a 2020 export ban.
This is the largest single administrative penalty ever levied by the US Commerce Department's
Bureau of Industry and Security.
And it is meant to represent double the estimated profits Seagate accrued from the illicit sales.
Seagate's annual net income for 2022 was 1.6 billion and their estimated profit from sales
was a period because we don't have that note.
I'm not sure what happened there.
But you know, profit's gonna be a lot less than ref.
Probably 150 million based on that the settlement was meant to be double the expected profits.
That makes sense.
So we can solve for X here.
Let's go.
Yeah, yeah.
Very good.
Some background information.
In August of 2020, the US Commerce Department expanded export restrictions against Huawei
after they allegedly tried to obtain advanced technologies to undermine US national security.
While Huawei's two other primary suppliers stopped shipments, Seagate continued sales
for 11 months as Huawei's sole supplier.
Seagate even extended multiple lines of credit worth $1 billion to Huawei to help them purchase
more hard drives.
And to be clear, everyone knew that this export ban was going on.
Oh yeah.
It was like the biggest news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We talked about it on WAN show.
That's even like the probably one of the smaller ones titled like every news agency.
They 100% knew what they were doing.
So here's what I want to know.
On the one hand, I think you and I probably both agree that if a corporation breaks the
law, the fine should be such that it really isn't worth it to break that law again.
And I think we would probably agree that this is positive in that sense.
But here's my problem with it is that it sort of comes across, maybe not hypocritical, but
I guess the cynic in me looks at this and goes, huh.
So it turns out that you do know how to properly punish this sort of behavior when you actually
care.
But when the transgression is against the individual user, it's like, eh, I don't know,
$4 per user, you know, class action, whatever.
Actually most of it just goes to the lawyers.
This seems like a good system.
Where is this justice for individual users, particularly when it comes to data privacy
or when it comes to other rights violations?
How is it that someone like a TransUnion, man, I remember being so mad, TransUnion's
own website back when I had to sign up for credit monitoring because something, something,
my insurance wouldn't cover me unless I had credit monitoring something, something, and
it doesn't matter.
The point is I had to have this stupid service that I signed up for for credit monitoring
because of some identity something incident that took place.
And TransUnion's own website had a, like a, a help article talking about the importance
of two factor.
And at the time TransUnion's own accounts didn't support two factor.
I pointed this out to the rep and they're just like, hmm.
And how many, how many breaches have they suffered?
And so I'm saying, at least one, yeah.
I mean, we're not talking breaches of trivial things, right?
Like, you know, oh man, nothing's trivial.
Nothing's trivial when it comes to, to personal data, but we're talking, you know, sin numbers,
which are our equivalent of an SSN, right?
A social security number.
These are things that while technically can be changed are a Royal pain in the butt to
change and can be extremely beneficial to ne'er do wells, right?
Like there's, there's databases out there that are going to have basically every piece
of information that you could ever want to keep out of people's hands pretty much across
the board at this point, because nobody is actually punishing this stuff in a way that
is meaningful and forces them to take data security seriously.
I mean, we went through, this was an interesting conversation.
I was complaining to Luke about how our new password manager takes a long time to open.
And he was like, well, let me tell you about that.
That's because they are actually decrypting it.
The reason our old password manager was so fast was because it wasn't being stored at
all times in an encrypted manner and I'm like, oh, well that's frickin' amazing then!
The usability of the stuff we're using now is, is genuinely worse in like a lot of ways
in my opinion, but theoretically it's more secure.
So on the one hand, yeah, I'm happy, but on the other hand, no, I'm actually like pretty
pissed off, right?
Because this is just yet another double standard and I'm, I'm just kind of tired of it.
So yeah, show us you actually mean business.
There.
Dan, that just still says the thing we're doing.
We did too.
Dan's keeping us in line.
It's supposed to be additional topics.
Additional ones.
You can do as many as you want until I tell you to do something else.
Oh, Oh, all right.
Cool.
Well, your average consumer posted a review of the LTT backpack.
Tech reviewer, pack rat, and lover of big backpacks, Judner Ora reviewed the LTT backpack.
He's at pros, huge capacity, highly functional, comfortable, doesn't cause strain after long
periods wearing it, well-built, great material and layout.
He loves all the pockets and the compartments and anti-theft features and RFID blocking
cons might not be for everyone.
Sometimes you don't need big and it can be visually plain, somewhat boxy, a major downside
for people looking for a more potentially in their opinion, stylish backpack, very loud
orange inside would prefer teal.
Really?
Oh, dang it.
I mean, it's teal-ish.
When I'm looking, it looks like black.
No, no, no, look over there.
Oh.
So he wants the Luxe bag.
Anyway, carry on.
Summary quote.
This is directly from him.
If you're in the camp that you don't care about Luxe, you just want it to work well.
You want it to do its job to the pinnacle of how it should be done.
This bag is absolutely for you.
I'm taking that as a W. Big win.
I'm taking that as a W because Judner is a bit of a bag head at that.
Okay.
That came out wrong, but I think you understand what I didn't think it was that way.
You bloody bag head.
Okay.
No, not like that.
That's a thing.
No, I don't think so.
It kind of sounds like it's like a weird insult.
Dan, can you, can you confirm is that, is that a thing?
Just call someone a bag.
Okay, perfect.
He claims to be British.
Anyway, the point is that, um, bag enthusiasts.
Okay.
I, I'm going to finish the quote.
Cougar Hunter.
Wait, sorry.
What?
I'm going to finish the quote.
I need to stop Linus.
Uh, if you do care about Luxe, it's tougher.
Kudos to Linus and the team.
They made an amazing product worth every penny.
You just got to see if it's something that fits your style.
You know what?
It's all fair.
It's good.
I, I consider that very fair because we knew what we were doing.
People talk about how it's boxy and I'm like, yeah, that's how it fits so much stuff.
Like perfectly snugly under an airplane.
It's basically the size of an airplane.
Carry on.
Like, what do you want from me?
That that's, that's by design.
It's because we expect people to be able to, this is great.
Oh, I love this Judner's list and a picture of everything that he carries in the bag.
This is fricking awesome.
Okay.
One laptop, sometimes two that's by design because we know that so many people will have
a personal and a work laptop with them sometimes at the same time, particularly for like when
they're traveling.
Right.
Three tablets.
Okay.
Extra phone.
Yes.
Three portable gaming devices.
Okay.
Really man.
I mean, you know what?
These do address very different needs.
A switch, a steam deck and a pocket.
Yeah.
I think.
All right.
Bunch of cables.
Heck yeah.
Two pairs of headphones.
All right.
Love it.
Two SSDs, USB hub and a portable charger, man.
I love this because honestly I've only, I've only spoken with Judner a handful of times.
Like I wouldn't describe us as best of friends.
I definitely respect his work and every interaction I've ever had with him has been extremely
positive, but this is not just like, it's not paid.
It's not, you know, my buddy doing me a solid or anything like that.
This is what they call, what's, what's it called?
Earned earned media where someone actually saw the product, felt it was valid enough
to not only cover it, but actually daily freaking drive it, use it for an extended period of
time and we still get the positive review.
I don't think, I don't think we even sent one to him.
I would have to confirm that.
I have no idea.
I don't know, but I, I think, I think he might've bought it either way.
Like I said, I've, I've been following his work for a long time and I, I respect him.
I don't think he would be the kind of person who would give a favorable review just because
we did provide a review sample, but I actually don't know, so I'm going to, I'm going to
find out.
I will find out.
I'm calling the person who would know, Mr. Nick light who needs time off when you can
talk to Linus about work.
This'll go through at some point.
Maybe.
Hello.
Hello.
Tell us.
Hello.
Unless, unless you have reached the voice.
Oh, seriously.
Okay.
Unless it's all of us trying to do work and Linus just won't stop playing vampire survivors.
What are you talking about?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I would never do that.
You just call him in a different way.
Yeah.
That way, if he's like banging or whatever, he'll know it's important.
Is he out of breath?
Hey, you're, you're live on the wan show.
Hello.
Hey.
Okay.
Hold on.
I got to, I got to turn you up a little bit here.
Hey, I just wanted to know, did we send Judner a backpack or did he buy it?
Uh, I think he bought it.
Okay.
But you're not aware of us sending one to him.
Uh, not to my recollection, but it's been a little while, so it is possible, but I think
he bought it.
Okay.
If I don't remember it and you don't remember it, I'd say that's a pretty solid chance that
we didn't send it to him.
Okay.
Thanks, Nick.
Okay.
No worries.
Bye.
Bye bye.
All right.
He's back to whatever he was doing now.
I don't have a second to get back in the mood, but by now he's probably, you know, settled
in.
Anyway, the point is, Hey, thanks for the review.
Uh, appreciate it.
Even if it had been more constructive, I would still have appreciated it.
We really do value honest feedback.
Um, but I'm definitely more excited about double use.
I'll say that much.
Uh, Oh, ah, okay.
You know what?
No, we'll talk about that later.
Sorry.
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
Uh, space X starships successfully explodes.
Okay.
That's, that's not actually that misleading.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Pretty much do go on.
Space X launched its new star ship rocket system yesterday.
A few minutes later, the rocket experienced what space X Twitter account called and their
live stream and lots of other things, eh, cause I, it's actually an actual terminology,
a rudd or a rapid unscheduled disassembly before stage separation, I E kaboom much online
commentary has framed this as a failure, but it wasn't.
It was a test flight for a new, more powerful rocket system.
The flight was unmanned and there was no reported injuries or, uh, or damage to property beyond
the rocket and its payload.
That is not true at all.
Uh, but I'll go into that in a second.
Space X has previously warned that the odds of success were low and the primary purpose
of the launch was to collect data and data collection.
Did they do, um, a bunch of things was very useful.
The launch pad is gone.
So there was damage to more things than, than just the rocket and its payload.
Uh, cause the launch pad was like burnt to an absolute, it's literally gone.
There's a hole.
Right.
Um, so that wasn't intended.
Uh, and there's some, there's some ideas there.
Um, there was environmental damage.
Yeah, I'm assuming so.
The, uh, the whole launch pad is gone and there's a huge hole.
So I, you could call that environmental damage.
Um, they have some plans of how to deal with that in the future.
A lot of them actually, and I'm sure they'll address it, but that's, this is one of the
whole goals of this thing, right?
Unintended, someone in Twitch said unintended launch pad removal.
Yeah.
You know, they, they rapidly prepped the site for new development, curable space program
style.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think is sweet.
Um, someone apparently got hit by debris.
Did they actually, uh, that's what someone's saying.
A car got hit 500 meters away, which is 500 meters from a launch site.
Probably shouldn't park your car there.
Well, no for next time.
I mean, yeah, but also like it could have been a lot more than 500 meters too.
Yeah.
I'm not going to believe any of those things unless I see official details.
Ooh.
Is this a screenshot of the launch pad?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm coming over to your laptop.
Yeah.
So damage to only the Starship is a not so much, uh, cause there used to be a flat launch
pad there.
We call that a whoopsie doodles.
Yep.
But again, like they, as far as my understanding goes, they were aware that there might be
some problems there and they already have plans for fixing it for next time.
This is what tests are kind of about, right?
Like there's going to be problems.
The fact that it blew up was not, um, was not actually like an issue.
It was fine.
They went into this 100% expecting that that could be a very likely outcome, right?
If my understanding was correct, they expected it to land in the water and be like not properly
recoverable even if it didn't blow up.
So like, yeah, it's a thing.
Yeah, but yeah, that's cool.
If you haven't seen it yet, I don't think we're going to show the footage here, but
you should go watch it cause it's actually like really cool.
Yeah.
It's pretty wild.
Yeah.
I've read some theories.
I don't know how much of this stuff is true, but some of the issues with the launch pad
are why some of the boosters didn't actually fire properly.
Um, so the booster is not firing properly.
Might not be as big of an issue as we initially thought because I think it might be related
to the launch pad.
I don't know if that's true or not.
I've seen a lot of information on this that has already been debunked.
Um, so yeah, look into it yourself if you want.
The amount of armchair scientists has been very fun to watch.
These idiots, they should have done this thing.
Yeah, sure.
Dude, whatever you say, like there's all, there's plenty of things as far as I can tell
from actual real sources that like they did think of, but you're going to think of different
things forever and at a certain point you just need to test what you got.
It's kind of like, it's kind of like a lot of the things that I see in the comments under
our videos, like, um, a really good one is at some point I was talking about how we've
reordered more screwdrivers and someone basically was like, after the failure of the backpack
and screwdriver, how could he possibly be ordering it?
Okay.
Come outside your, your little bubble that you live inside for two seconds.
Or like, would you even be willing to consider that I am a just marginally rational being
for a moment and that I wouldn't throw good money after bad.
If I'm ordering more, okay, if we're working on Luxe backpack, if we're working on new
colorways of the screwdriver, if that's happening, could you not consider a reason other than
me being phenomenally stupid that I might be ordering more of them, right?
Like I'll write if it, sorry, I actually worded that wrong and maybe I am phenomenally stupid,
it was probably successful, right?
Otherwise I would be phenomenally stupid to be ordering more.
So if your brain can't handle any reality where I'm not just spectacularly dumb and
these were a failure, maybe the problem is you.
And it's the same for looking at stuff like this, like, uh, yeah, a lot of experts do
work at Space X and they've done a lot of stuff that's quite frankly just mind bending,
but it's time-changing.
Yeah, utter failure, lttstore.com says, hbkirb over on Twitch orders more failed products
that mysteriously sell out.
It's probably a conspiracy.
I'm probably hiding those products in a warehouse somewhere, just shoveling them in there so
that I can pretend they're sold out so that I can order more.
Apparently there was, yeah, I have, I don't know if this is legit at all.
I'm not even going to show it, but there's, there's a van and it shows it getting hit
by what looks like some flying.
No, apparently it was parked there to record the launch and they knew the risk and that
is real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chat was talking about that a fair bit before.
Well, okay.
I mean, if that's the case, then it sounds good.
Cause yeah, when like, if you go to watch these things, you have to be really far out.
That's still damage.
For sure.
So it definitely still wasn't just the rocket.
Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I never thought it was just the rocket.
But yeah, really, really, really cool to see.
I have had like no time since the launch to actually like look into it because I've
just been very busy, but I'm excited to look into it more.
And I've heard lots of really cool things and I want to see more of it.
I watched like just the little, like, you know, three, four minute clip.
Yeah.
And that was awesome.
So I'm excited to watch more.
Nemzi in float playing chat says these guys clearly don't understand the concept of a
whale or how many you have.
It's not actually the whales that drive the store success.
Like we have.
What do you mean?
I could totally see a whale buying 50,000 screwdrivers.
Why not?
That's not how that works.
Like we have stats and there are people whose lifetime spend is very high because like as
much of their wardrobe is LTT store as mine is, but there's only so many shirts you can
buy.
Yeah.
Like there's a limit, right?
You can't go full like, you know, I'm trying to think like Candy Crush whale on this, Rise
of Kingdoms or whatever the mobile games are called.
What's that cringe one that everyone's mad at people for taking sponsorship money from?
Not Clash of Clans.
Raid Shadow Legends.
Raid Shadow Legends, right?
Like we're not talking about people spending tens of thousands of dollars on lttstore.com.
You can only use so many screwdrivers at once.
No, we actually just really did sell over a hundred thousand screwdrivers.
I think we're up to about 125, 130,000 now.
We're moving.
We removed the counter, but I mean, I'm all about transparency guys.
So we're still moving on average about 200 to 250 a day.
It's wildly successful.
And no, it's not because we have somehow bamboozled people into buying it.
There's just one person.
It just takes them that long to add 250 to the cart.
It's just, it's, I'm telling you, man, it's just, it's just one way, one whale runs the
whole store.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Everything released is successful.
Yeah.
I mean, it's got to be just that one, it's not cause they're good products.
It's just one big whale.
Yeah.
Any, any opposition I've had to anything that Elon Musk has done is actually just a big
smokescreen because we're BFFs and he orders everything off of lttstore.com just as a personal
favor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I, I've got to kind of run interference on this whole thing.
That's where my like 40 chess theories about him trying to offload Twitter while he secretly
turns it into the everything app.
But people won't see it coming because I'm out here talking about how he's actually trying
to get rid of it and then the value is going to go up and the shares are going to be worth
so much.
It's a, it's a brilliant plan.
We should probably talk about Twitter.
Oh, what?
Not much.
What part?
Well, I lost my check mark.
What did they do?
Oh.
To be clear, neither of us ever had personal ones.
I was, I was actually so far ahead of the curve on this one.
It's not often, look, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to take this W where I can because it
is so rare that I am ahead of the trend.
Okay.
I was already too cool for a blue check mark.
We had one on the corporate account and that was really important because it reduces impersonation.
Well, that's really the main reason.
It reduces impersonation and we don't want a situation where people are getting scammed.
Twitter seemed to care about that before, so they would verify notable personalities
and companies and we treated that account as our, as our corporate account and we continue
to, it's at Linus Tech.
But once I handed Linus Tech, which was my personal account before, once I handed it
over to Linus Media Group Inc and then started my personal Twitter, which is at Linus G.
Sebastian, even once they opened up Twitter verification to anyone who applied for it,
as long as you verified your identity, I was like, no, no, I'm going to be, I'm going to
be verified by my follower count and by my irreverence here on everything that I am tweeting
at people.
And if you don't know that that's actually me, then I guess you just don't know.
Guess you're, guess you're not in the know.
I am just as unverified as I was before, but slightly less irreverent because I haven't
really posted that much.
I came out of semi-retirement to mock someone who suggested that I couldn't afford the $8
a month for a blue tick.
And I was like, let me tell you, $8 a month, utterly meaningless in the context of Linus
Media Group's operations here.
If we don't have a blue check mark, it's because I decide not to.
It also isn't $8 for the company, right?
So it depends.
It depends what you're trying to do.
I forget how the like $1,000 a month one works.
I haven't really looked into it that much because frankly, I don't care.
A free speech platform where you have to pay to be heard is not a free speech platform.
That's simply not how that works.
What does he call it again?
I don't remember.
Town Square.
No, no, no, no.
He's like free speech, but not free.
I don't know.
Anything you have to pay for is not free because it doesn't apply to the people who can't pay
for it.
He had a term for it because like you could still tweet, you just don't get the promotion
or whatever.
Oh, right.
Which is exactly what Twitter was accused of doing in the past.
No, I'm not trying to defend it.
He had like a word for it or a phrase for it or something.
I don't know what it was.
It was the kind of thing that if you believe it, then...
Free speech paid reach.
Yeah, I think that's it.
Then you...
I don't know, I guess.
Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.
There you go.
Sure.
Anyways, moving on because Twitter sucks and always has.
No, I want to talk about our plan.
We have a plan.
For Twitter?
Yeah.
Okay.
So depending on how things go over the next little while with Twitter, it could be that
we continue to engage on there the way that we always have.
It could be that it ends up not making as much sense.
If the audience dwindles, then we might not continue.
But whatever ends up happening over on Twitter, I think what we're going to do is we're going
to lean hard into YouTube community.
Yeah, the reach is better.
It engages more directly with our core audience, which is on YouTube.
On the occasional times that we have posted what we put on Twitter, which is usually just
like kind of shit posting and stuff like that, it's been received extremely well in YouTube
community posts.
I will also say for the FlowPlane people, if you're not already on the beta site, I
would suggest doing it because it's way more awesome and stuff.
But another...
You might've noticed a lot of little features coming out over the last few weeks.
Another one of those that we're planning, which is very close to being ready, is configurable
notifications for sub channels.
So you might already see if you're subscribed to Linus Tech Tips that, well, that's a collapsed
sidebar too.
But you can see how there's like all the...
Sorry, one sec.
One sec, I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
There we go.
You can manually collapse it, but there's one little update now where click the little
arrow.
So you can expand and collapse that without re-navigating where you are.
Oh, okay.
Oh, cool.
Okay.
So yeah.
So that changed like literally today.
But we're going to have another sub channel for these like social posts or community posts
or whatever they are.
We just don't want to add it right now because right now you wouldn't be able to turn the
notifications off for just that.
And if you have notifications on for everything that Linus Tech Tips offers and LMG Clips,
which is going to be added.
It'll be a little overwhelming.
And the social posts and everything else, it's going to be very overwhelming.
So we're waiting to add some of those until this feature comes in, which is like literally
right around the corner.
And then you'll be able to manually configure notifications for each sub channel however
you want.
And then we'll have all those types of things on here as well.
So you won't be left out.
We've got some good extras on Floatplane right now, by the way.
This is an early access video that's coming up this weekend.
What happened?
Nope.
This is an early access video that's coming up this weekend.
Sports branded tech products are a pretty bad deal.
I just watched the intro.
It's great.
It's really good.
Okay.
We can show the intro.
Oh, you don't have to?
Yeah.
Okay.
Nope.
No sound.
Sports ball!
Boom, red, touchdown!
Between the pipes was great.
And then just immediate.
So relatable because the second you pulled those onto screen, I had the same reaction.
I was like, Oh, what are those?
You know what?
That's actually part of our intro laws.
We've been working on how to write better intros lately with the writing team.
And one of the laws is that the first 20 seconds has to contain something that makes it broadly
relatable because no matter what it is, whether it's a 25 year old voodoo brick, say for example.
Oh my.
That's actually pretty cool.
I'm excited for that.
Whether it's something like that, or whether it's a brand new graphics card just released,
$1,600, we have to find some way to make it relatable.
So with the voodoo brick, say hypothetically, if we were going to make a video about that,
a way to make it relatable might be to tie it into the evolution of multi GPU technology
over the years.
Where it came from, what it became, where we think it's going because multi GPU is not
gone.
Yeah.
And it's coming back stronger than ever.
Mark my words.
And we make a really strong argument for that in the video.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Anyway, or with the $1,600 GPU, I mean, most people will never own that.
That's not opinion.
That's a fact.
Most people will never own that GPU.
But how can we make that more broadly relatable?
Well, we can talk about how the performance and the features that we're seeing here first
and are excited about here first are going to make their way down to lower price points
until whether it's two or three or five years down the line, it will be attainable to most
people.
And really us covering this card is us just showing it to you early.
You could think of it that way.
So I think that's the angle that we would take if we were to make a video about micro
LED technology, which I am also really hoping to do so.
But nothing's actually locked in on that.
Right.
The last thing I had wanted to show you guys over on Floatplane is that we've got a really
great series of exclusives going on right now.
This one's called their first time.
I enjoy those.
Those are great.
Nick and Colton react to their first times on camera.
Really cool.
They brought extras from the working for LMG.
So these are full, I believe, uncut.
I haven't watched them because I'm not allowed, but I believe they're uncut interviews from
that video.
So you guys can can watch through those if you want, if you're over on Floatplane platforms.
That's another that's another popular punching bag for haters is how much we suck.
Oh, yeah.
And how bad Floatplane is.
There's like there's a post on Reddit right now with like fifteen hundred upvotes or something
like that about how awful Floatplane is and how we're failures and whatever.
It's like you can actually you can actually do the math.
There's some I mean, there is some fair criticisms in there.
Absolutely.
For sure.
However, one of the criticisms could have been dealt with if they had just clicked the
link in the video description, which does take them to the page that has the pricing
and has the content.
So we actually realized that there is an issue with that.
So that is completely true.
But if you view it on a mobile phone, so not in the app, but on a mobile phone, it collapses
it and you can't see the pricing.
So we're like, oh, so we'll we'll fix it.
So shout out.
We will fix that.
But it is not a failure.
And that's not just, you know, huffing copium.
It is actually not a failure because it actually generates millions of dollars a year in revenue,
which is more than what most of the haters have done.
So, yeah, like we know the front page sucks on other stuff.
We will make the front page better.
And at least lately, we've been showing off new features often enough that people actually
believe us that we're working on other stuff.
Yeah, that's nice.
We really were working on the other stuff before.
It wasn't really showable.
It is now.
I really like that.
I know we literally just talked about it, but OK, so the little arrow that you guys
saw next to the channel where you could expand and contract the sub channels that used to
be attached to clicking the channel at all.
And Jaden got it in today so that you can just click the arrow separately.
And now it's like a fidget toy for me.
I just sit here and expand and contract and expand all the time.
We're going to keep working on quality of life features.
This is a really cool just message.
I happen to be looking at floatplane chat.
TJ Ford 10-11 says, I've been experimenting with using AI tools to assist with building
customer websites faster.
Is that something I should disclose to the customer?
Oh, uh.
Does a carpenter have to say what brand of saw they used?
Yeah, I don't think so unless if you are using anything private that you are giving
to this AI tool and it is a externally ran tool, that could be like a data privacy issue.
So if you're using like if you're feeding it customer data or you're feeding it things
that are covered under an NDA or a non or any other, you need to be very careful about
that.
If you're just using a better hammer than the other guy, whatever.
If you're like, oh, I need to make some button that does something and I want you to help
me do it and it helps you do it like, well, who cares?
You don't have to disclose.
That's the way I see it.
That would actually be like weird to disclose in my opinion.
Like if your contractor was like, by the way, just I use a McClellan thought you knew.
Yeah.
I use, yeah.
What was that?
I was going to say like the Walter or something as a, as a McClellan hammer, it defeats Bob's
knife is we do not have a knife.
I think that was the brand.
It doesn't matter.
I don't know.
Anyway.
But yeah, if it's something like that, it'd be like, why are you telling me?
I don't care.
Yeah, but you do care about our sponsors.
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All righty, amazing.
Thank you, Dennis.
That was very helpful.
Live laugh.
Leo.
Okay.
Uh, merge messages.
She'll sell three of them.
Okay.
Dan hit me.
Okay.
Let's see.
Sorry.
You got to give me some time in between the, yeah, you're the one who put it there.
No, I'm getting, I'm new at this.
It's a new system.
All right.
A couple of merge messages.
This one.
You're new.
Yeah, I am.
Uh, Luke.
Got him.
How do you handle having your boss also be your landlord?
I am beginning to have problems crop up because of this, uh, like being held to different
standards than my coworkers.
Oh, interesting.
Uh, be better.
No, I, um, wow.
Toxic.
I don't know.
Uh, I mean, are you sure that's what's happening or is this something that your brain is just
running with?
Um, I mean, it could be, it might also be happening.
I'm not saying it's not, but like, cause like I could see that power dynamic making the
boss slash landlord feel like they could push this person harder knowing that there's no
escape from them.
That could absolutely happen.
There's also a level of shared frustrations where like if they're, if not taking care
of the lawn when that was explicitly part of the deal for their low rent, for example,
which generates complaints from the neighbors.
How could you, that could, that could bleed into, you know, shared frustrations at work
and stuff.
Uh, but yeah, I don't know.
So that's, that's, it could be totally legit, but I do think you need to evaluate the situation
and make sure that you're not making it a thing that it isn't at the same time.
Cause that is a relatively common thing in these types of dynamics where you feel like
you're being persecuted for something when you might not be.
And I'd always recommend talking to people.
Start with an I statement.
I know it's like cringe or whatever high school counselor stuff, but start with, I feel and
get it out there because if you don't get it out there, you can't expect it to magically
resolve itself.
Even if they're doing this on purpose.
Hey, at least it's good to know and be closure, right?
Be open to the idea that you don't really have the whole story.
Um, so like let them explain their side of it as well and hope that they'll be open to
hearing your side as well because that's what it takes to have a functional relationship.
I'm assuming you're relatively close to this person considering they are your boss and
landlords.
So the fact that they agreed to both or you agreed to both or something, it's probably
not just chance.
It was probably an okay relationship at some point, I would guess.
Yeah.
So you can probably get, unless you work at like Fox con or something and you're like
living in there like onsite dormitories or whatever.
We're assuming that this is like a Western arrangement.
Yes.
That's all right.
What's next.
Okay.
Next up.
Howdy LTT.
Each of us makes a dismissive comment or gesture whenever they want to switch topics.
I wow.
That's crazy.
Or just a head shake.
Can y'all call each other's out?
Uh, I think both Luke and I are direct enough to just say, alrighty then moving on and just
change the topic of conversation.
I think, I think our tell is telling the other person that we want to move on.
Yeah.
Basically treats the, um, like the emoji, like the single emoji as punctuation for the
conversation.
Like I think that's pretty well understood.
Yeah.
If you don't, I think reacting to it because modern messaging systems, I guess that's the
new one.
Less of a thing a bit.
Oh, okay.
I think, I think if you send a whole message that is just like a thumbs up emoji, it's
like, yeah, this is over.
If you send just a react, I might interpret it that way, but I might also be wondering
if you're going to do that and then send a message in response.
I'm just trying to find like some, some examples of us just, okay, LOL.
That's a good, that's a good conversation termination.
That might not be like a, I want to stop talking about this now.
And that might just be a, I don't really have anything to add.
No, cause I have perfect examples here.
Okay, so we were talking about the, the Valentine's party with AIs and then I basically go, yeah,
so the party just took place with them interacting with each other.
My brain is broky.
Then I sent thinking of streaming today, but kind of feeling asocial and posted a picture
of my, my bike painting thing.
And then you said, you don't have to stream painting it.
It could just be a stream and you could not interact with chat.
And I said, well, I don't know what I'm doing.
I was hoping chat could help.
And you say, LOL.
Well then, and that's the end of the conversation.
Well, see, but that's one of those situations where I'm not, I have another one right before
that I messaged you and I say, Oh, we were talking about the housing market and you have
that stick guy that's like, come on, do something.
And I go, well, I just make sure you check out a house with someone who knows a fair
bit about renos.
If you can, might help recognize any corners they cut, but it'll still be impossible to
say what they covered up or painted over.
And you go, well, probably, uh, something, something, some stuff.
Um, and I go, it doesn't hurt to keep your eye on things hurts a little.
And you go, yeah, LOL.
And the conversation's over.
Yeah, I think LOL is the ultimate conversation termination because I'm trying to terminate
the conversation.
I don't really have anything else to add.
Right.
But that's terminating the conversation.
Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah.
But it's not like, I think what he's saying is they are like done with this conversation
and want to move on.
Well, I don't know.
I think maybe it's, maybe it's Austin's own perception of the dismissiveness.
Like to me, Luke's not being dismissive.
He's just done talking about it and that's okay.
Yeah.
Like I'm okay with that.
I guess you gotta be secure in being able to acknowledge that what you're talking about
ain't that interesting.
Or there's just, yeah, just nothing else to add necessarily.
You know what?
Oh man.
So that kind of makes me think about how you and I used to complain about WAN Show topics
before when people would go, wow, this is really interesting.
And they'd put it in the WAN Show doc and we'd go, this is not, it's interesting, but
it is not a topic of conversation.
It's like a statement.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not, it's a thing, but there's no real room to discuss it.
And so maybe you need to recognize that sometimes you think something is a topic of conversation.
Like, okay, I'd say parents are the classic thinking something is a topic of conversation
when actually it's just a boring statement that no one cares about.
You know, Timmy took his first steps today.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Cool.
Hey, look at this funny thing Timmy said on video.
Lol.
That's not my kid.
I don't give a s***, right?
Like it's no, no, I'm serious.
Like I, I, I value a human.
I assign value to a human life.
I do.
That particular one is not any more or less interesting to me.
A ton of interaction with that one in particular.
Sure.
Then maybe, yeah.
But I'm talking the stereotypical parent who's just never met this person's kid.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
No, I'm not a psychopath.
I just, I just don't have a connection to all eight, eight billion or however many people
there are on the earth.
This is definitely a thing.
Being a psychopath.
No, no, no, no, no.
I thought it was being a sociopath.
I mean, no, that's okay.
So no, no, it's also not being a sociopath.
Like I said, I do assign value to human life.
I do have emotions.
I just don't, I just, I don't have the emotional bandwidth to be that invested in more than a handful of lives.
I have not a lot of friends, but the ones that I have are extremely close and extremely dear.
And I just don't have the brain space.
I mean, maybe this is just an ADHD thing at a certain point because I can only pay attention to so many things.
I think it's also very normal though.
And I think a lot of people that would go against what you're saying in public settings might not actually feel against it inside.
Right.
So I'm just saying the quiet part out loud.
I think a little bit.
Yeah, I think that, I think so.
Yeah.
So I'm going to keep doing my LOLs.
I don't consider it dismissive.
I just consider it.
You're not terminating the conversation.
It's not anything to add.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Every, wow.
Now that I'm aware of it, every time we talk, you end the conversation with LOL.
This is three in a freaking row here.
Oh, I ended one with a JFC.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which is, I'd say an equally just, it's essentially a reaction emoji.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
But there's often things we'll say to each other or share with each other that like, there isn't necessarily a conversation to be had.
Yeah.
And we're like, honestly, like, honestly, I'm busy right now and I don't have time to sit and text with you for 20 minutes.
It's just, I saw this haha.
Yeah.
See you later.
That's all it really needs.
I don't know.
You'll take as however much time with it you want.
I don't really care.
Dan, I'm lost.
There's no sign.
I don't know what to do.
I don't, you only did two.
I don't know how to, Oh, this show.
Well then the sign should still be there.
He's going to put the sign back here and we can watch him.
No, we're going to watch him put the sign back.
So mad.
There it is.
All right.
There's your sign.
Hit me again.
Hi Luke.
Hey, what's up?
Uh, did I broadcast it?
Conversation's over, forget it.
Okay.
Next merch message.
Uh, hi Luke.
I'm currently in networking class and I know that you guys
have touched on this before, but I was wondering what are
some of the larger costs of video streaming and why are
those costs so high bandwidth?
Bandwidth is rough.
Yeah, but why that that's what they want to know.
Oh, who do you pay for bandwidth?
Cause they charge a lot.
Uh, I don't know.
You have to pay for transit across networks that other
entities own is a big part of it.
Yeah.
And then like having good routes.
So routes is like, uh, you, you might have a server who's
like negotiated route to your house is fantastic.
So if you watch a video, it's great, but the person down
the street, you think it wouldn't be that different, but
they might be on a different ISP and the negotiated routes
in your country might be poor for that.
So like companies like YouTube have fantastic distribution
everywhere with really, really great routes to basically
everyone, but that's not that simple, right?
So like we do a bunch of our video distribution through
CloudFlare.
One of the reasons why we do that is because CloudFlare
has very, very good global coverage all over the place.
We have this float VPN thing we've talked about before
cause we always like having fallbacks.
That's part of FlowPlane's whole thing.
So we can fall back to our own setup whenever we want,
but to be able to get the amount of coverage to the amount
of routes that we would have with CloudFlare, the scale that
we would have to go to would be kind of crazy.
It wouldn't make sense.
By the way, is this broken?
Kyle R's thing here is stuck here.
He's holding it there because that's the question we're
currently discussing.
We're doing a broadcast thing and it also pauses the queue
so that other merch messages aren't getting lost.
That's why you have the giant circle.
I think that was entirely Conrad's idea.
It's really useful.
It's pretty sweet.
Okay.
But yeah, so like there's all these routes problems, but
you would think, you would think,
and this is where it gets expensive and also complicated,
where with CloudFlare,
they're one of the biggest internet companies there is.
Yeah, ever.
We should have perfect coverage like everywhere.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, yeah, why, why don't we?
Nope.
Oh, okay.
Cause even CloudFlare doesn't have like perfect coverage to
everywhere.
There's certain places in Australia, surprise, surprise,
that have issues.
We've, we've notoriously had some issues in Germany,
certain routing problems in Germany.
We just have lots of problems with it.
Even when we're trying to feed through one of the biggest
multi-billion dollar,
like data distribution companies in the world,
we still have problems there.
And we can, we can work on it ourselves.
We can, we can set up new partnerships.
We can try to expand our partnership map,
do a multi CDN things.
So that if, if quality to somewhere is low,
we switch over to some other CDN, all this type of stuff.
Yeah, Ramsey asks,
I assumed you'd use Akamai for streaming.
And I believe we can.
We can.
Yeah, but we have our-
costs agreements and other stuff.
We have float plane CDN,
but then we also have fallbacks to cheap CDNs and also
expensive CDNs.
And we can actually dynamically choose which one to use to
deliver the content,
depending on what's most favorable for the particular user.
We don't always get it a hundred percent, right?
But the team tries really hard.
Akamai is extremely expensive. It's a really, really good,
very high quality, but very expensive.
Yeah.
So we want to avoid that whenever we can,
but we'll do it if we have to hit us one more time.
Okay. Well now we're going to move on to some potentials.
So we've got a lot of these rapid fire to go through.
Oh, okay. We can do some rapid fires. Sure.
Yes. We have about 20 to do.
We should have a timer for rapid fires.
That would actually be a good problem.
That'd be cool.
I'll make a note of that.
Okay. My wife and I are not gamers,
but we do have a laptop with a mobile 20,
80 and 32 gigs of Ram, as well as two Logitech controllers.
Of course you do.
What are some games we can play together
that aren't too expensive?
Play it takes two.
Classic.
Hi everyone. I've been trying to...
Portal is also great.
Overcooked.
Ah, Overcooked is great.
Yeah. Overcooked is super casual.
Hey, we should talk about that game we played
at the retreat.
Mage Quit.
Mage Quit.
Mage Quit is so much fun.
If you and seven friends want just like a chaotic
arena brawler, don't practice.
Don't.
Don't like train up because you'll be way too OP.
But it actually won't be fun.
Yeah. Go in all of you cold.
And it'll be like the most fun you've had gaming
in at least six months.
I promise.
I haven't, I haven't like bounced around
and cheered that much for a game in a very long time.
Probably, probably since the whale land
to be completely honest.
Cause that's what, that's what it's all about.
Yeah.
Even playing field upsets.
Anyone could win it.
Yeah. Like it was so much fun, especially at like
one of my favorite moments was really early on when we
like still nobody had any idea what they're doing.
And you see two people who it's like, everybody else is
is knocked out or dead or whatever it is in that game.
There's two of them left.
Clearly neither of them knows what they're doing
but they're like fumbling around, trying to figure it out.
And they're whiffing and just, you see them whiff
and something blows up in the wall.
We don't know how one of the abilities works yet.
So we think they can avoid it, but they actually can't.
So we're all like cheering for them to avoid it.
And they get obliterated, man.
It was, it was very fun.
There's no like, we have never talked to them.
There's no agreement or anything.
We just, a bunch of us played it and it was very entertaining.
Yeah. We had an exec retreat and I was, I, I
I think wisely packed eight controllers.
It was pretty sweet.
The ROG Ally, an external GPU and a long HDMI cable.
And I was like, if all else goes to absolute shit
At least we can play some games.
At least we can play some video games during the night.
And it was a good call.
I knew because I'm very wise and a good leader.
No, but seriously, I, I gambled
that the best thing to do would be to find a game
that nobody had played.
So I just was digging around trying to find eight player
local multiplayer games, which is shockingly hard to do
in the new steam big picture interface.
Valve, come on.
It's, it was, it's un-browsable.
Go ahead, go try, go try to browse local multiplayer.
You, you actually more than eight, more than four players
like accessing custom tags.
And we figured out some of them was like, okay
it's four players locally.
You can connect four other players
but they have to be like external clients or whatever.
Mage quit actually worked with seven people,
local eight, eight people.
Sorry. Yeah.
So, yeah. So I, I was like, yeah, this'll be
this'll be the activity.
And I was like, yes, it was awesome.
It was.
And the steam room was great too, actually.
Our sauna rather.
I guess it's more of a sauna.
Okay. Sorry.
Hit us again.
That was not that rapid fire.
We'll do better.
That's good.
Good answer.
Hi everyone.
I've been trying to properly engineer my water loop
but struggled to find data such as head loss
and heat load for radiators easily.
Will this be something the labs could test?
Probably not, because it's not really
like a fixed function equation.
Your tolerance for the temperatures
of your devices could allow you
to run a lower cooling capacity radiator
and still be comfortable with it.
So say for example, you were comfortable
with your devices running at 90 degrees on water.
Well, good news for you.
You can use a small radiator
with slow fans and you're good to go.
It just means that your water
your coolant temperature will be higher
which is going to make it less effective
at pulling heat off of your CPU or your GPU.
The good thing about that is the hotter the water gets
the more effective the heat exchange is with the air.
So you might be a different kind of user
who wants to see 65 degree load temperatures
with super low RPM fans as well.
In which case I'm going to tell you, okay, well
you're going to need probably about eight
to 10, 120 millimeter rads.
So let's go.
Yeah, it really, it really just depends.
It depends on your, on your, on your tolerance.
I would say that the general rule of thumb
used to be a single 120 millimeter
per heat generating component.
So if you had three CPU and two GPUs
you'd want a triple 120 mil.
I would say that's probably out the window these days.
And it's more like a 140 millimeter
per heat generating component
or about one and a half 120s per heat generating component.
And then if you have lower tolerance for noise
then you're going to want to go a little heavier than that.
As for the pump, get a D five.
That's the answer.
Lang D five or some rebrand of it.
Someone did clarify apparently mage fight
goes up to 10 mage quit goes up to 10 local players.
Oh, well that's great.
I only brought eight controllers.
So I didn't think to check that,
but if our exact team grows
and or everyone is able to make it next time
we're ready to go.
Let's play some mage quit.
Nobody better practice.
Cause that would be totally OP and dumb.
I swear I will not play because yeah, the, yeah.
It's more fun to have no idea what we're doing.
I mean, everyone's struggling in the same way.
It was a big part of the entertainment.
There's a game I'm really excited to play at LTX.
It was actually indie dev by one of my old colleagues
at NCIX.
Do you remember Tom?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it probably looks really cool.
Tom made a game.
Did he actually like dev it or did he do all the art?
I think so.
I mean, I don't know.
Cool.
I mean, he, I think he said he did.
Maybe he lied.
Maybe it's AI,
but I'm not going to ask him to show me what kind of hammer
he used.
Good rear differential.
Let's do the next one.
Anyway.
I played it for about two minutes just to kind of make sure
that it functioned enough to, but,
and I'm not going to touch it again.
And then we'll, we'll have some fun with it.
Nice.
Yeah. I'm excited.
What's your best tech related dad joke.
I can never do this on the spot.
Yeah.
You can't do a dad joke on the spot.
That is not a dad joke.
Yeah.
Question, question denied.
Well,
moving on.
Hey Linus,
have you ever considered making a slim version of the LTT
backpack for someone that typically carries a lighter load
of accessories and likes a backpack instead of a laptop bag?
Yes.
Yvonne's been daily driving our current prototype.
And I think we're really close to getting the comfort nailed
down after which we're going to have to get another
prototype that actually has all the pockets and zippers and
everything on it because hers is really bad.
It's just blank.
It's just the shell because we're trying to nail down the
strap positioning.
So it doesn't have a handle on the top and the number of
times I've interacted with it personally or watched someone
else interact with it and go for the handle.
And it's just not, there has been hilarious,
but we're getting close.
It's going to,
it's going to actually be not that different in terms of
total capacity.
If you load it up compared to the existing one,
it'll be less,
but it's not as much less as it looks because we moved the
water bottle holder to the outside.
Yeah, but it's, it's more,
we're trying to make it fit on the,
the Maria's and the Yvonne's of the world.
Maria is one of our, one of our other staffers here.
I'm currently pursuing a major in electrical engineering,
microelectronics and graduate in three to four years.
Do you think Intel would hire someone like me?
I don't know. I should,
I should hope you've looked into that before entering that
program.
I think the best way to do that with Google would be
Googling Intel jobs.
Yeah. And Intel hires all kinds of people. Yes.
Like you could, you could have a marketing, you know,
whatever, and they would probably hire,
I'm sure there's a position there somewhere.
I mean,
you could be the world's most overqualified janitor at Intel.
I'm, you know, there you go.
Hi uncle Linus.
If you could have any games remastered with the kind of
graphics shown in the first clip that you did at the start
of the show, what game would it be?
Also 10 hour WAN show, please.
Okay. First of all, no.
We should do at LTX.
We should just turn WAN show into like us gaming at
whale land.
I have some stuff that would allow that to happen.
What about like, man, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to come up with a good answer,
but the one that jumps into my head is I'd love to play
like an Anno game where you can really zoom in to like a
photo realistic world with AI generated people that are
going around and like for no reason other than just digital
sightseeing almost like some kind of builder game with that
level of photo realism would be kind of,
would be kind of cool to me.
I know that's probably not what you were asking.
I like the answer though. It's interesting.
I just immediately went to like.
Morrowind.
Yeah, he did.
Because of course he did. All right. Yeah.
We can carry on. We all know his answer.
Well, what are your thoughts on someone bringing their steam
deck to whale land?
I would expect them to.
It happened to last whale land.
And the steam deck ended up being an unnatural advantage in
one of our competitions that they slayed.
It turns out that 3d cadet table, the, the, the,
the windows XP pinball game has been ported to Linux and
runs so much better on the steam deck than it does on
windows now at much higher frame rates.
And not to mention that this is much more natural than
whatever it is that you're doing with a keyboard.
So they absolutely slayed the next,
the next runner up by playing on their steam deck.
And we were like, well, I guess I have to accept it.
He got the score.
Wasn't outside of the rules.
Nope.
You're all workaholics,
but what maker creative things do you enjoy doing when you
have free time? Painting, fiber arts, doodling?
I think that for me,
well, okay, fine.
I was talking about my paint booth earlier.
I'm planning to paint my bike.
So I haven't actually fired up the sprayer yet,
although I will this weekend somehow got roped into,
I volunteered to help James paint his walls because I have
experience with that.
And I knew that I would be able to help him do a much better
job with even just a few hours of setting him up for it.
And somehow I got roped into helping James paid his kitchen
cabinets,
which is not something that I am super experienced at,
or in fact even have ever done before,
but I do have the equipment for it.
So we're going to be muddling our way through it together,
which will be fun.
But the real reason that I have this spray equipment is so
that I can do up my motorbike in this color scheme.
So that's not actually, that's like a mock-up.
Yeah. Maria did this up for me.
And I contracted her out of hours to just kind of mock this
up for me because I'm lazy and don't feel like figuring out
how to do it.
So that's something I'm planning to do.
So I guess that's kind of what you're asking.
I like fixing stuff.
I don't know if that really counts.
Yeah. I'm not like super knowledgeable or good at doing it,
but I enjoy it.
I don't know why, but over the years,
I remember being colossally disappointed many times by how
not handy you were.
With what?
Well, see, I grew up on a hobby farm and I know that your
dad's like super handy.
And so there would be just things that I would take for
granted that you would just know how to do,
like paint a thing and you'd just be like to,
to quote Yahtzee,
it'd be like watching a cat try to fly a kite.
Like you just incapable.
And I didn't understand it because you weren't stupid.
You just, you know, the story, my dad,
like, so my dad was around a ton when I was like quite
young, but when I was in like my teens,
when you would do a lot of this type of stuff,
yeah, they're really long story, but he had to,
he didn't have to,
but he stepped up and got a bunch of jobs and stuff and was
like, it wasn't absent father because he was around.
Yeah.
But the time that he was around would be like, oh,
I have two hours between my jobs.
Let's like hang out for a ball or like, well,
he's probably like too tired, but like you throw the ball,
I'll watch.
And then a lot of times there's something needed to be done.
He wouldn't have that much time.
So he would just like do it so I could observe,
but I often wasn't doing it myself.
Yeah.
But I mean, since then he's like,
show me more things and stuff.
Right.
But yeah.
Yeah. See, I don't know.
Like I just, I was not by choice,
but I was very often dragged into things.
So I just, I just know all kinds of things.
I've done a bunch of like distributed labor tasks,
but not things like paint this thing.
Like we, we reroofed my parents' house.
Right.
So like I've done roofing.
Sure.
I did a pretty good job of that.
Yeah.
It's quite different actually.
I've done roofing, interior, exterior,
and I'm not talking like professionally.
So like some roofing, interior, exterior painting,
I've treated infections on horses' feet,
cared for livestock, built out buildings,
like repaired gravel driveway,
buried that fawn that the dog killed,
operated an excavator.
Like I just, like there's just so much,
dug fence posts, both by digging them,
pouring concrete and embedding them,
also by post pounding.
Like there's just, on a farm,
even if it's not a for-profit farm, there's just-
There's a lot of stuff to do.
There's so much to do.
It's utterly never ending.
See, like I've gone to,
cause I grew up out there, but we didn't have one.
So I've gone to like friends' houses
and helped them with farm stuff that they had to do.
But there's a big difference.
Yeah.
Like my friends didn't, weren't really helpful
when we were like, you know, loading the barn with hay.
Right.
Like they were, they'd kind of do a couple
and then they'd get bored and they'd wander off
and I'd get it.
I didn't get bored.
You probably would believe that to be fair.
Yeah, yeah.
You probably would have been a lot more helpful
than my friends were.
But like, I mean, I still didn't live there.
So it wasn't a constant.
People are asking repair gravel driveway.
What is that?
So you don't have to do, you don't just lay down gravel.
So potholes develop.
And then the way that you put it down,
you just have to kind of get a feel for how much of it
to shovel and wheelbarrow out and how much to fill it
so that when it settles, it'll actually be smooth
when you drive up it.
Like just gravel drive, gravel,
oh man, our driveway was so frigging long.
It was over a hundred meters long
and the incline was like this.
So like getting out of there and the snow and stuff
was brutal.
I had to, I had to, I had to often run
because I was usually late.
Up to my bus stop, uphill both ways of course.
I hated that driveway.
Curse that driveway.
If you guys want to see it, it doesn't really matter.
Here, here's the, here's the place where I grew up.
Blah, blah, blah.
Well, grew up after 11.
So I lived in Ladner until, until then.
Here we go.
There, this is my parents' hobby farm,
or at least what it looks like now.
So this used to be a riding ring for horses.
There's ponds here.
It's kind of hard to make out.
This is, this is all my parents' former property.
They don't, they don't have it anymore.
Not now, don't like show up.
And we're not, we were not crazy wealthy.
My parents were teachers.
This land was empty when they got it.
It was a big stretch for them to get it.
And it was basically like worthless compared to now.
It's probably worth a fortune.
Like estates out here are totally a thing.
You can see like other people
with their fancy paved driveways and whatnot.
Yeah, we didn't have anything like that.
In fact, oh, is this paved now?
I think so.
Looks like it might be, might be paved now.
Also many, many of these buildings,
whether it's the, the pump house is hidden over here,
were actually built by my parents themselves.
All of this was just like dirt and blackberries.
It looks like a lot of landscaping has been done
since we lived here.
See my dad, like my dad built this,
like that garage that's in our backyard.
Yeah.
But I was like too young at that point
to be able to contribute much.
He also did this like custom solar panel array
for our pool.
Chicken coop's gone.
But I was also not very useful at that time.
Barn's still there.
A lot of stuff was either I was too young
or I was already now out of the house.
And like the gap where I would be useful
at like contributing and also learning things was,
he was very busy.
It was just unfortunate timing.
But he's, he's definitely gone out of his way
to educate since then.
Fun fact, if that place is ever on the market
and you're into high quality drinking water,
it has a drilled well that by luck,
we managed to hit some kind of underground spring
or something.
And it has the best drinking water
I have ever encountered in my life and never runs dry.
It's like the highlight of that property for me
and probably something that wouldn't even show up
on a real estate brochure.
Nice.
Honestly, I spent my childhood bathing in water
that people would pay like $6 for a little bottle of
and it would still taste like crap
because it's been in a plastic bottle.
Yeah, yeah.
Obviously.
Plastic bottles.
Yay.
Anywho.
Oh, more topics.
And I'm signed out of Google docs
because why wouldn't I be?
Luke, hit me. See ya.
Reddit to charge for its API.
This is actually very interesting.
It's more companies than just Reddit.
Reddit has announced it will be charging businesses
to use its API.
No direct motive was given for the changes, cough, cough,
but data scraped from Reddit is known to be a major
component of several prominent AI training databases.
Likewise, Reddit is planning to go public later this year
and could use future income from AI development
as a draw for investors.
The announcement stated that the changes were directed at,
in quotes, third parties who require additional
capabilities, higher usage limits and broader usage rights,
end quote, and will take effect following
a 60 day notice period.
While Reddit claims to want to keep its API accessible
to developers that improve the Reddit experience,
the vagueness of the announcement caused concern
among developers of third party Reddit applications.
CEO, Steve Huffman described the company's
authentic conversations as particularly valuable to LLMs
saying in quotes, there's a lot of stuff on the site
that you'd only ever say in therapy or AA,
or Alcoholics Anonymous.
Or never at all.
Or never at all.
And that is a surprisingly transparent truth.
Discussion question.
Kind of refreshing actually.
Yeah, to be honest.
Reddit is full of incredibly intimate conversations.
Is it right to use them for AI development?
Is it right to sell them?
Well, when you post it on the site, you kind of...
I'm pretty sure that's even just in the terms of service.
Yeah, you give it to the site.
If it's posted publicly, that's public.
That's the thing that happened.
You know, when I was all outraged
about companies using private data,
I was talking about private data earlier.
I wasn't talking about public data.
If they were doing this with like PMs on Reddit.
Yeah, that's a whole other ball of wax,
which I mean wouldn't necessarily surprise me,
but that would be different though.
Stack Overflow too.
That's the really crazy one in my opinion.
Stack Overflow is talking about the same thing.
Oh really?
I mean, this lockdown is happening.
I mean, we've even been talking about it.
You know, how are we going to publish information
on lttlabs.com in a way that is not going to just
train the machine learning large language models
that are going to replace any need to navigate to our site?
We've been trying to figure out how to slow down AI
and capitalism gave us the answer.
I think this might literally be it.
If these companies slapped down
expensive enough API agreements.
Yeah.
Like Reddit and Stack Overflow, just those two things.
It's such a huge portion of these training models.
Absolutely enormous.
And what's really interesting is some companies
are basing functions of their company around ChatGPT already
and the tools that came from ChatGPT.
So if those suddenly get worse because of stuff like this,
that'd be very interesting.
Very interesting indeed.
But yeah, I think that's really all there is to say
on the topic, to be honest.
There are other companies that are doing this.
I know Stack Overflow and Reddit.
There are other ones as well, but yeah.
Someone asked if I would consider purchasing
my childhood home to keep it in the family.
No, it's fine.
A house is a house to me.
I mean, my family is my family
and the house is just the house.
But Arjun from the social team said,
hey, just heard you on the WAN show.
There will be a short behind the scenes
of the WEG hoodie photo shoot.
Oh, sweet.
Currently editing it.
Cool.
There you go.
Nice work.
Got the answer there.
Good job.
All right.
Amazon offers louder dialogue.
Okay, dialogue boosting.
Yeah, it's just like,
so you don't have to buy a soundbar, I guess.
Oh.
It's an accessibility feature,
but probably has a broader audience
considering how many TV viewers report using subtitles
most or all of the time.
And this is probably more consequential for the industry.
Samsung is considering switching to Bing.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, so this is why Google is actually so upset.
Man, I sent an email earlier today
and I remember just being, it didn't matter, right?
It didn't matter at all
because it didn't change the meaning
of what I was saying in any way,
but it just irritated me
because it's so utterly unnecessary.
Okay.
Read this bottom email.
I think everything's here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Here, read this bottom email.
Just read it out.
Oh, thanks for letting me know.
Would love to get an update from them
when that's resolved so I can use it.
I found some alternatives,
but none that I particularly trust.
Why is trust capitalized?
Why is trust capitalized?
I don't know.
Why?
I find the way that I type on my phone,
if I'm going really quickly.
I didn't type.
Oh.
Chat GPT wouldn't have made that mistake.
Yeah.
Why did it capitalize trust?
Yeah, it's weird.
I didn't bother to correct it.
It didn't matter.
It didn't change the meaning of what I was saying,
but it's just no wonder Google
is in freak out mode right now
because they've sat here.
They've sat on their butt for a super long time.
Complacently not making basic things
like calling by voice or dictate proper capitalization
and punctuation while dictating.
And their competition has come up and created GPT for.
They found a way to, instead of try to keep biting,
just leap ahead.
One of the problems with this is the previous topic though.
This is literally what I was saying
as part of the previous topic.
Certain companies are hitching up with Chat GPT
and being like, okay, this is tons of efficiency
or it's better for whatever reason.
We are going to move in this direction
and that could bite them in the butt.
If certain things happen
and maybe the data set can't be used anymore,
or maybe OpenAI needs to start paying way more money
to be able to access these things
so they have to increase their fees, whatever else.
That's not gonna help Google.
Oh no, but it's interesting.
Samsung is in negotiations with Microsoft
to switch the default search engine
on its devices from Google to Bing.
Just for context, in case you didn't know,
the default search for basically everything ever is Google
and Samsung sells a heck of a lot of phones.
When news on the potential deal became public,
it led to a sharp fall in Google stock
and reports of panic within Google search division.
Google reportedly pays up to $3.5 billion every year
for its position as default search on Samsung devices,
as well as $20 billion for Apple devices.
Samsung has switched to Bing before,
back in 2010 for some Galaxy models.
However, this could also simply be a negotiation tactic
on their part.
I've heard their scuttlebutt that Apple is also looking
to either switch to Bing or at least leverage Bing's
newfound relevance to renegotiate with Google.
These are multi-billion dollars a year.
Oh, I did mention the Apple one, okay, cool.
This is really funny.
On the subject of auto-completion,
SecaITguy in Floatplane Chat says,
I never mean to say the word duck.
Spoken like an iPhone user.
All right, Netflix ends.
I didn't even know they were still doing this.
Netflix has ended their DVD mail service.
This September, Netflix will be finally ending
its 25-year-old DVD mail service,
which brought in 145.7 million in revenue last year.
That's a lot more than I thought.
The DVD division had a dedicated fan base
among users without consistent internet access,
as well as those who preferred its broader selection
of more obscure titles, many of which are not
widely available on most or any streaming service.
But the DVD division has slowly shrunk over time.
It once posted a selection of over 100,000 titles,
while now it's unclear exactly how many titles
the Netflix streaming service carries,
but its US library carries around 6,000 titles,
similar to what was carried by a single blockbuster
video location at the chain's peak.
Our discussion question, what should happen
to Netflix's DVD collection, and what alternatives
are there for people looking for unusual titles
or low-cost physical media?
Well, what should happen to their DVD collection?
I really hope they don't just recycle them.
That would suck.
Maybe if they just left them with the last person
who rented them, like I don't know.
Like honestly, I'd rather they not just end up
in the garbage.
Keep the service going for a while,
but you just don't have to return it anymore?
Yeah, that'd be kind of chill.
That'd be super cool.
That'd be pretty sweet.
For people looking for, man, what alternatives?
Do I say it?
Like what do you want from me?
If rights holders won't make their media available
at that point, I mean, that's down to your own
personal moral compass, right?
Like, you know, if you want to watch it,
like why is someone standing in your way?
Why do you, why tolerate that?
Privateering.
I didn't say it.
It's becoming more popular.
If it is available by legal means, of course, you know,
you it's, it's how creators are compensated,
but if it is not available by legal means.
It's not like you could compensate the creator
by buying it if you can't buy it.
What do you want from me, right?
It's very interesting to me that like, honestly,
three years ago, people didn't really talk about
piracy that much.
Oh yeah. It was kind of dead.
Yeah.
Spotify, Netflix.
It's like steam.
You had pretty good solutions for everything.
The golden age of not having to pirate content.
And now like Nintendo's doing the things that Nintendo does.
Oh yeah.
Stuff like this keeps happening
and people's cost of living is going up
and their wages are not matching it.
And also like this perfect storm is coming back
for people to put the hats back on.
It's really, it's interesting to me that the industry
is like allowing this to happen.
And that they don't see what's happening.
Yeah.
Instead it's like, oh, well, we'll just hike the rates.
Well, no, actually that's not a response.
I mean, Disney seems to be kind of waking up a little bit.
Apparently they're going to be loosening the restrictions
that they've put on licensing their own IP
to third-party services because they figured out
what a gigantic hit to their bottom line it was.
Like Disney Plus, while it has generated
like a hundred and however many million subscribers
is not a huge W for them compared to staying-
There's too many services.
Staying focused on what they do best,
which has apparently run theme parks these days,
and creating content and licensing it to a wide variety
of providers all over the world.
Like it just, it's like, yeah, duh, we had a good thing.
Everything was working.
And now, yeah, guys, you had done goofed it up.
I'm not going to subscribe to Disney Plus
and Prime Video and Netflix
and whatever HBO's thing is called now.
What's it called?
Just Max now?
I can't even remember.
I can't keep track.
I don't know. They keep changing it.
All the different services.
I can't even keep track of them.
There are certain things that do make sense to me
on a separate service.
I don't want to pay for sports ball.
I don't need it.
I don't care.
I don't have time to follow it.
I shouldn't say I don't care.
I actually do sort of peripherally pay attention
to what's going on.
Like I kind of know whose favorites to win
the NBA Super Bowl or the, I'm kidding,
or the Stanley Bowl or whatever.
Like I do that.
I do it on purpose.
I do kind of know who the major players are.
And most of that is just so that I can have conversations
with people.
It's like, oh, LeBron's the all time leading scorer now.
We can talk about that a little bit
and how that's super cool or whatever.
But I don't have time to watch the game.
So I don't want to pay for the broadcasting rights
that whoever I'm giving money to has to pay
in order to have cameras in the stadiums, right?
But if it's TV shows, just, yeah, I can't.
Yeah, I can't.
Yep.
People are upset.
People are upset about my sports ball stuff.
Formula football.
Yeah, I like it.
It's good. Oh no.
Someone doesn't like the thing that I like.
Yeah, this is hilarious.
Syncplane on Floatplane.
Great username, I think.
Didn't they change from HBO because it makes people think
soft core porn when they hear it?
What?
Not necessarily that, but apparently, yeah,
they changed the branding because it makes people think
of like very adult content and they want to do more.
Like it's Warner media who owns them now, right?
So that's where you're going to get this new Harry Potter
television series that frankly feels very unnecessary.
I'm not even going to wade into the controversy
around the author.
I want no part of any of that, but.
Isn't that media's whole thing right now
is like resurrecting dead series and just making it bad?
I mean, I guess.
Like that's a pretty consistent trend.
I'm not surprised it's happening.
It's just, it's happening to everything.
How do we ruin this?
But there's talks about remaking Princess Bride.
If you want it to be more on the nose.
Okay, hold on a second though.
Princess Bride came out in like 1984, 88, whatever it can't.
It's old.
Yeah, it's old.
It's at least old.
Harry Potter's body isn't even cold yet.
Literally.
For real though.
The actor is like still.
Like young.
Yeah.
You know, I just, I meant, I just, I can't.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Twilight is apparently also getting a TV series.
Yeah, you don't want to talk things that are unnecessary,
but no, the thing about the Harry Potter one
that feels particularly unnecessary is that they were good.
They were already good.
Twilight, I mean, at least you could make the argument
that maybe they could make it better this time.
Probably not though.
Rough.
Yeah.
Another topic?
Sure.
NYPD adds semi-autonomous robots.
I mean, do we really have to say much other than that?
Oh, good.
They have thermal cameras, two-way audio,
can patrol a pre-programmed path, follow a person.
Yeah, not yet, apparently.
That's probably good.
Yeah, it's a matter of time.
And the Red Cross wants gamers
to stop committing war crimes,
which sounds kind of stupid on the surface,
but actually kind of makes sense to me.
I know this is probably me with a hot take here,
but yeah, for real.
I mean, we don't accept, say for example,
video game depictions of extreme sexual violence.
So why is it that we have this tolerance
for here are some of the things that the Red Cross outlined
as in violation of the rules of war
and that are classified as war crimes?
So that is shooting combatants
while they are downed and cannot respond,
targeting non-combatants, so non-hostile NPCs,
targeting civilian buildings.
The Red Cross apparently even partnered with Let's Players
to stream via its Twitch channel
with the purpose of the campaign
seeming to be to raise awareness of the rules of war.
And it's a pretty great message because-
I didn't watch any of it
because I don't really watch streams,
but I saw some of the titles
and I thought it was really smart.
Fun little challenge to do.
I think gamers are never gonna care about these rules
as long as they are detrimental to gameplay.
And right now they would be detrimental to gameplay.
Like first thing is a genuine mechanic
in a lot of battle royale games right now.
Sure, but then is there not an argument to be made
that you should be considered to be out of the round
if you are incapacitated?
No, so that's like, it would take game developers
to make this a thing.
I even really like the give medical aid
to anyone in need, friend or foe.
Very interesting.
Making a mechanic where you or your team
receive some form of benefit
for administering medical aid to a downed foe.
And it like then like makes them respawn or something
as the mechanic, but then you gain like extra points.
It's super interesting
because you would have to be administering it.
So it takes you out of the game for a second as well.
But like you could make it fun
and make it so that it's not a war crime anymore.
But it's possible in my opinion.
Yeah, I think it's totally possible.
Yeah, I think watching some of the streams,
like if you're into watching streams could be fun though.
I personally enjoy-
The challenges.
Yeah, inflicting like custom rules in games
because it makes it very fun.
It's fun to watch other people do that as well.
So maybe check some of it out.
Yeah.
And now it's time to check out WAN Show After Dark.
Are you guys enjoying the more structured
sort of show format that we have now?
Let us know in the comments.
Can you even tell?
Yeah, can you even tell that we changed anything?
So Dan's got kind of guidelines
for how long we should do some topics
and then when we should explain merch messages,
when we should talk about what's new on LTT store this week.
And then the idea is to have the main sort of
tech discussion be a little bit less encumbered
by talking about LTT store or merch messages
or whatever else.
So we kind of get through it in the early part of the show.
So people who only care about that only have to watch,
I think we've been live for about two hours,
something like that.
And then while still allowing us to address
the vast majority of the merch messages that come in,
or at least a good number of them.
I don't know if we're gonna get to all of them this week.
You guys went absolutely wag nannas for the wag hoodie.
I couldn't have estimated that we were gonna move
this many of a dog sweater, but hey, I'm here for it.
It was a passion.
It was a passion project,
a labor of love from the merch team.
It was not something we expected to be a big profit center
and it still won't be at that price, but like whatever.
It's fun.
You gotta have fun.
All right, Dan.
Okay, we're gonna go right into curated.
You guys can go through some of the potentials
and respond by a text if you want or curate them
if you see something good.
Luke, are you going top to bottom or bottom to top?
I'm currently going.
Are you a top or a bottom?
I'm currently on top.
And you're a power regardless, right?
He has strong typing power.
Oh my.
For curated.
Oh, curated message.
Kyle asks, hi, Luke.
I'm currently in a networking class
and I know that you got-
We already did this one.
Well, why is it still there then?
Get wrecked.
That's my fault.
This is from Christopher.
You talk about wanting to expand LTT store
into becoming a more mainstream product producer
or whatever the terminology is.
My question is,
would you consider sponsoring professional athletes?
Yeah.
Yes.
But not in the ways that you probably think.
Sorry, I'm just finishing first type.
Okay, it's really hard to multitask typing a thing.
Oh, did you archive it already?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Do you want to sponsor athletes?
Okay, that's okay.
I can read it there.
Yeah, I would.
But the reason that we would sponsor an athlete
would be to overcome a perceived deficiency in funding
for a sport that I'm particularly passionate about.
So for example,
we actually did do a sponsorship deal for this year
with a local badminton club.
They're called Clear One.
And we sponsored their team.
But what I made really clear to the club owner
was that I don't actually really care
about my brand on the jersey.
Quite frankly, from a marketing perspective,
my reach is a lot greater than theirs.
Like I don't need the logo on the jersey.
It doesn't matter.
He wanted to do it, I think,
because sometimes it can look good to have good partners.
And so he really wanted our logo on the jersey.
But I kind of went, yeah, that doesn't matter to me at all.
What mattered to me was that his plan for the funding
was to use it for afterschool programs
to kind of jumpstart afterschool programs
outside of Richmond where badminton is really popular
and into other parts of the Lower Mainland
so that they could provide coaching time
to kids that otherwise would never pick up a racket.
So that I was really interested in,
but just sponsoring an athlete,
other than as a vanity project,
doesn't really have a ton of value to our brand
from a business standpoint.
That doesn't mean that I never make an emotional decision.
I just mean that I have to look at it objectively first
before succumbing to my emotions.
So with that in mind, like as a vanity project,
would we ever consider sponsoring an athlete?
Yeah, sure.
The sport that I happen to be passionate about is badminton
and it is woefully underfunded in Canada.
I think for the 20, I want to say 2016,
was that a Summer Olympics?
I think it was the 2016 Summer Olympics.
It had literally zero dollars of funding.
So the athletes that managed to get there had to do it all
by the straps of their own boots
and that's absolutely ridiculous.
So that's the kind of thing that I could get behind.
Like we wouldn't go after like the biggest in the space,
but if it was someone who otherwise
just wouldn't get a chance to compete,
that's something that we'd consider.
Okay, next up.
I've been prepared for a lot of applications.
This one's from Jordan.
It's not something we're doing right now.
Badminton funding is all tied up in opening our own center,
which is hopefully coming late this year.
Everything funding is sort of currently tied up.
It's just, he's saying it's maybe something,
maybe one day we could consider.
We've already had a bunch of people ask, by the way.
Really?
Not right now.
I mean, historically.
Oh, okay.
I didn't even know about that.
Yeah, it's like a thing.
Hey Dan, hit me.
With the rise of direct storage and games needing SSDs,
would using PrimoCache to cache the most used data
on a hard drive or slower SSD be a good alternative?
Or could it interfere with DS making it skip cache?
That's actually a really good question.
And I think that it is possible
that a solution like PrimoCache could interfere
with the proper functioning of direct storage.
Obviously I haven't tested it yet
because I'm being asked this question
for the first time right now.
But if direct storage thinks it's operating
off solid state media, which it doesn't necessarily have to.
So the latest direct storage update actually has a provision
for directly streaming assets off of a hard drive.
It's up to the developer whether to use that or not.
And I would hope that most developers
would try to use direct storage properly
and we can just all move into the solid state era together.
But you know, hey, if you have it as a fallback
I could see that being really valuable
for people who aren't ready
or able to move to solid state yet.
But I would think that regardless of that
confusing direct storage and making it think
it's pulling off solid state
when actually it's a solid state cached hard drive
could be a problem.
And I wouldn't want to do that
because the whole point of direct storage
is that we are eliminating extra hops in communication
and pulling data directly off of devices
expecting it at a certain speed.
If it's coming in slower
I think it would probably result in gameplay anomalies.
Hi Luke, how does Floatplane handle technical debt?
And is there anything you've learned from these challenges
that you can apply at LMG?
Apply at LMG.
Not really.
Cause it depends on how you define Floatplane I guess.
Cause Floatplane the company does a lot more stuff
than Floatplane the website.
Technical debt in regards to Floatplane the website
is a problem we've had for sure.
There was a long time there where for various reasons
that I'm not going to go into
cause it would take an extremely long time
to talk about all of it.
We were chasing features a little bit harder
than we probably should have been.
And that resulted in quite a considerable amount of tech debt
that we're, we currently over,
we overcame a fair amount of it recently
in order to release this beta site,
which hopefully very soon will be just actually
be the main site, but there's more work to be done.
And we're going to be doing that for a pretty considerable
amount of the rest of the year,
solving a lot of those problems.
But ideally I try to do, you know,
10% time on maintenance to avoid it.
We couldn't do that for a long time,
which is why we are where we are.
Tech debt is like not doing proper maintenance
or falling behind on versions or revisions
of different pieces of software or services that you use
or not keeping up with different frameworks
that you should be using.
Like maybe you're using one that gets basically deprecated,
if not actually deprecated,
like maybe the original developers are like,
oh, we're still working on it.
Just that you only ever see commits
like once a year or something.
Yeah.
Okay, next up.
I saw Colton at my local mall the other week.
I wasn't sure if I should approach him.
It made me think,
what is the typical etiquette expectations
for those less in the limelight that work at LMG?
Good question.
Those less in the limelight, why don't you answer it?
Was it our etiquette?
I wasn't sure if he was talking about himself.
Yeah, himself.
I don't really know.
I've been trying to work through that in my own head.
It's awkward, I guess.
I would like to assume
that most people would appreciate the interaction,
but probably just don't take forever.
Yeah.
I think that's the big one,
is sometimes people will approach you and they'll say,
hey, I don't want to take any of your time.
And then they will proceed to take a bunch of your time
and show you pictures of their cats
and pictures of their computers.
And it's like, that's fine,
but there's a time and a place for it.
And that time and place is at an officially sanctioned meetup
so I'll see you at LTX.
Right now I'm meeting with my family
and I'm paying attention to them and not you.
And I'm not working.
Cause that's the thing is as much as I'm, you know,
actually just I'm so blessed, right?
To have this community that has rallied around us
and it's like the coolest thing ever.
This is my job.
And like, I'm at work when I'm doing that.
Sometimes I can choose to do it on my own personal time,
but in the mall, I didn't, that wasn't my choice, right?
That was your choice.
I wasn't in control.
So with that in mind, I would say that in general,
your best bet is because we also don't like being watched
surreptitiously, right?
I can tell.
And just because I ignore you doesn't mean I can't tell.
So we don't like that for sure.
So your best bet is, you know, that, Hey, love your videos.
See you later.
I would personally always rather know if you're going to be
stuck in the same vicinity as me for a while.
I would personally appreciate if you earlier rather than
later. Yes.
Yeah. If you acknowledge, yeah.
And if you're like, I'm feeling awkward,
I don't really know what to say.
Even just the like, Hey, love your videos.
Hey, love the WAN show.
Hey, love your thumbnails, whatever it ends up being,
or just that like a, Hey, I see you.
Cause then like, I don't know.
I know that's cool.
Yeah. That's I appreciate knowing personally.
And like, I think at this point,
it's pretty fair for someone like me or Luke to assume that
we're being listened to in public.
So we try to speak in coded language if we need to talk
about anything that's confidential,
whether it's regarding product or the internal workings of
line of speedy group or float plane or whatever else.
But it's still, not everyone's going to do it.
It's still good for us to know, you know, that, you know,
whatever I'm saying could be posted on Reddit in 30 minutes
or less.
And even if that's like, obviously not your intention,
it's still just nice to know,
because if I end up figuring it out way later on,
I'm going to feel very awkward and uncomfortable,
like wondering,
and now I have to run through everything that I just said
since I've been in this area or whatever else.
And it's, it's a little uncomfortable.
Okay. Next up.
Hi Linus.
I work at SAS company that specializes in software for the
gym industry. As you've worked towards opening your club,
is there any technology that surprised you?
Surprised?
I'm very surprised at how behind the times,
the public address industry seems to be.
It is very much dominated by contractors,
value added resellers.
It's it's like completely ass backwards.
PA, like public address.
Okay. Yeah.
Really?
Yeah. The, the fact that it isn't just commodity,
inexpensive hardware and just some IP based thing that just
this thing on and just goes is mind blowing to me.
The fact that they want like subscription services and cloud
this and whatever that like make one so easy to be clear,
there are situations where that would make sense.
If you're going to have a hundred different zones and you're
going to need like a team of three operators,
cause you're at some stadium or whatever,
and you could be paging multiple things, whatever, right?
Like there are situations where that makes sense.
But the fact that there isn't just, you know,
aside from just, you know,
running a long cable to your karaoke machine, right?
The fact that there isn't just kind of a basic one,
at least that my contractors were able to find was mind
blowing to me.
Knaaps says in the flip lane chat,
didn't Ubiquiti try to get into public address?
I don't know,
but based on my experiences with their products so far,
I would love for them to do that.
They're not cheap, but they're a lot cheaper.
Like man, I got quoted.
I, I, I, I can't even find that.
Basically I got quoted like tens of thousands of dollars for,
and it was like a dozen, no,
maybe like 16 speakers or something like that.
And whatever the point is, it was,
it was outlandish, like absolutely ridiculous.
These speakers were like 300 plus dollars each,
even though they were just speakers,
there was no smartness in the speaker.
I blah, blah, blah, first party vendor, blah, blah.
I don't care. I just need anything that vibrates.
So I was pretty annoyed.
Sorry, it was just replying to a new incoming one.
All right, next up.
My whiz smart light bulbs recently updated
and a new feature they added was motion sensing.
They say it uses wifi signals to disruption,
wifi signal disruption to sense movement.
How does this work and why isn't it more prevalent?
I have no idea.
And.
It would be incredibly hard to detect,
but your big fleshy body does interact
with waves through the air.
So like, I don't know how the heck you would measure that.
Like consistently.
I understand it's a thing that happens,
but I don't know how you detect it.
Like if it's in a, if it's in a desk lamp, right?
Like, or like a bedside lamp,
how does it tell the difference between a very close cat
or a far human?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
I mean, I believe it could be done.
Yeah, I just don't know how you do it.
It's weird.
Just weird.
Okay, next up.
The destroyed van that was hit by the concrete
at the launch pad is still transmitting.
It was our camera van, NASA space flight.
We still can't go to the pad to collect it yet though.
Oh, hilarious.
Enjoy your tech set Kevin.
Oh, so it was actually theirs.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it isn't external, whatever, whatever.
Well, yeah, but no one said external.
They just said no other damage.
Oh yeah, that wasn't a question.
I just thought that was fun to include.
No, because someone in floatplane chat
or Twitch chat or something, I don't remember which one,
was like, oh, they claimed it wasn't,
there was no like external damage done.
It's like, yeah, well there wasn't, it was their own van.
You talked about the launch pad though, as like a damage.
Yeah, yeah, sorry.
They were saying.
Oh, okay.
I misunderstood you earlier then.
Okay.
So then, all right.
Wait, what?
No, I don't think you did.
Yeah, I did.
I think you're misunderstanding me now.
I don't think so.
Okay.
Earlier, what I thought you were saying
was that someone else was saying
that there was no damage to anything other than the rocket.
That's what the doc said.
Oh, well then that's not true.
Correct.
Because that van was damaged.
Yes.
NASA space flight's van.
And the platform.
Yes.
Which is what I said.
Then we're good?
Yeah.
That's what we got there.
I like it better when mom and dad fight.
This is awful.
Stop being so agreeable.
All right, next up.
Hi Linus.
What are some crucial tips or advice for-
Oh, also NASA space flight is a third party group.
Wow, that's a very confusing name.
But cool.
And I follow you on Twitter, I'm pretty sure.
Neat.
I thought it was official.
What are some crucial tips or advice
for a new company to make a product?
How do you go from prototype to finding a manufacturer?
What are some big mistakes to avoid?
There's so many questions today
that are like six questions in one.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
I try and not to.
I think what I'm gonna be doing in my text responses,
I've been ignoring anything past the first question.
Okay.
I think we're gonna have to make it
one question per merch message.
It's actually getting like,
I just answered one that was like four questions.
Yeah.
Whoa.
So some crucial tips and advice
for a new company to make a product.
I think the biggest one is don't rush.
Don't launch it until it's ready
because you will regret it.
Recalls are so much more expensive
than another round of sampling.
That's the bottom line.
That's the biggest piece of advice that I can give you.
And I'm not addressing the other two.
Okay.
Hit me, Dan.
Okay.
Since you mentioned a keyboard and mouse
is better than a controller,
how would you prove it to a stubborn non-techie friend
that doesn't understand that it is
in cases like shooters, at least?
I would say that if whoever it is
does not accept the superior control
of a mouse in particular,
I don't think that a keyboard is especially superior
to an analog joystick and all the other things
that your fingers could do on some kind of controller.
But if they can't grasp the finer control
that a mouse affords compared to a stick,
there's probably just not really much
that you can tell them or show them
that would change their mind
because this is no longer a rational conversation.
It's an emotional conversation.
And the more you try to contradict them at that point,
the deeper they're gonna dig in
if they behave like a person often does.
And since this sounds like from your tone,
it's a conversation that you've had multiple times before,
I would say that if you weren't successful before,
you're probably unlikely to be successful
and it might be better to just drop the subject.
My experience that leads me to that advice
is that I have been in a committed relationship
for 18 years.
No, I'm kidding.
Actually, Yvonne's very easy to get along with
and she's quite rational, which makes my life much better.
But yeah, not much you can do about it.
I'm gonna interject with one.
This was in potentials from anonymous.
Just got back from HIMMS, a health tech con in the US.
It was a lot of privacy and security experts
talking about AI this year.
They recommend siloing LLMs
or building them custom for health.
Any thoughts?
Called it.
This guy got them.
He called it.
Yeah, that's a hundred percent gonna be a thing.
So there you go.
Okay, next up.
Hey DLL, I'm a US truck driver
who has been listening to the WAN show
while I drive for a long time.
What are your thoughts on self-driving semi trucks
and the possible impacts on jobs that were road safety?
Oh my.
So this is tough, right?
Because I hate to be the bearer of bad news,
but it's coming.
Oh yeah.
And this is another really tough conversation, right?
Because when we talk safety,
we have to talk safety from a statistical standpoint, right?
So autonomous semis could be safer
even if people die as a result of their widespread adoption,
which is hard to wrap your brain around, right?
Because what we'd like to think
is that these autonomous vehicles
could reach a level of perfection in their operation, right?
But that's not realistic.
And even if they're not perfect,
as long as they're better than not necessarily you,
you might be a great driver who would never make a mistake.
But as long as they're better than the average,
the transition could make sense.
And what we also know, thank you capitalism,
is that even if they aren't quite better than the average,
companies looking to save a buck
will be just champing at the bit to adopt them.
So they're coming.
Regardless of the impact on road safety to a degree,
as for the impacts on jobs,
I think both Luke and I are,
whatever the word is for people
who kind of take an adapt or die stance,
AI is coming for creative jobs too at this point.
Hey, I thought we had a lot more time,
but we're staring down the gun barrel going,
okay, well let's act now or die.
And we choose to act, right?
There's songs right now
where people have spoofed Drake's voice
and they're like popular and people listen to them.
Yep.
It's coming for us all.
Yeah, we've got, this is someone there.
It's someone in Twitch chat.
There will always be an operator.
Think trains, think planes.
No, there won't.
Not necessarily.
Okay, that's a scary one.
Let's move on.
Hey DLL, with the,
with it being possible to hide a Trojan attack
in USB devices, such as a drive or keyboard,
do you think there's a concern that cheap USB products
from unknown companies could be malicious?
We've got a great video coming on the OMG cable,
really spooky device.
Are you familiar with that one?
I recognize it, but I don't think so.
It's basically a rubber ducky,
but in the form of a completely nondescript USB cable.
It doesn't look like it's capable of carrying
any sort of payload.
I just looked it up.
Yeah, Tanner has been playing around with it
over the course of this week
and it's going to be a wild video.
It's going to blow people's minds
if they haven't heard of it.
Yeah, no, it's like really bad.
So a USB condoms are going to become a more of a thing now.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
We need to distribute those.
Could we put the OMG cable in a USB condom
and then distribute those
and then screw people over that way?
What are you even talking about?
Nothing is safe.
Nothing is safe.
Oh, great.
I think they're devices where it just passes
through power pins, right?
That's right, yeah.
So it doesn't allow for data transfer.
So if you want to go to like a public spot
or something like that,
you can be a little bit more safe.
Yeah.
Okay, next up.
Hey, Linus and Luke,
if you could have one tech tip telepathically message
to every person on earth
in whatever language they understand.
Turn it off and turn it back on.
Yeah, I guess.
Let's go.
What would it be?
All right.
I guess if you push in new ones,
it pushes them down for me.
Saving for a backpack.
The last one lasted 14 years.
I'm sure the LTT one will as well.
Hey, Luke, if your current car were to go kaput,
what would be on your short list for replacement?
My car will never die.
Yeah, it's a Honda.
It's a Honda.
It's never going to die.
But if it did, through no fault of its own.
Probably, yeah.
Probably that's probably more likely
to be completely honest.
Probably another one.
Same age.
It would also be mint Honda boy, Honda boy.
Same age.
Yeah, probably not the actual same generation,
but I do like certain things about it.
About it like not being a modern car in some ways.
Not having Android auto sucks.
That part does kind of suck,
but I do also just have a phone.
So it's not the worst thing in the world.
Someone said it's supposed to buy my 2020 TLX.
Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
I don't think I'm actually going to do that, but yeah.
Someone mentioned that they have a 2020 TLX
in the exact color that I want,
which is like the same but modern version of mine.
I'm like, that's kind of cool,
but I don't want to do that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I really like my current car and I fit in it well.
And I'm like decently tall,
but I'm also just a very weird proportion.
Yeah, he has like legs that are the same length as mine
in spite of the fact that he's like eight inches,
nine inches taller than me.
Yeah, my torso is like, is ridiculously tall.
We have to compensate by boosting my chair.
Yeah, but my legs, like my legs are actually not very long.
My torso is just really, really long.
So sitting in cars is like
a particularly annoying thing for me
because my head will always be in the roof.
There are cars that even with like the best I can do
with setting up the seat,
I have to pull the sunroof back
and shove my head up in the sunroof
so that I can sit properly.
I'm pretty particular about like the fit in the car.
And my Acura is legitimately like pretty much the best
I've ever dealt with.
So unless they've screwed that up in the many years
since mine was made, because mine's a 2009,
which means it was, you know, probably made in 2008.
It's very possible they've screwed it up,
but I sort of doubt it.
They don't make actually just TLs anymore.
They make TLXs, which is the other one
and TL merged together.
So maybe they have screwed it up, but I don't know.
We'll see.
Hopefully I don't have to choose anytime soon
because my car is never gonna die.
So it is what it is.
We can all hope.
Okay, next up.
What is your top tech product, non-LDT
and new game you can't wait for?
That's another two questions.
Thanks for the infotainment.
More hot and lukewarm takes, please.
I'm struggling today.
Honestly, my top tech product right now
has gotta be the ROG Ally.
I'm really excited for it.
Double the performance of the Steam Deck.
It's so much quieter.
I can't emphasize enough how much quieter it is
and how important that is to me.
I finally played Stray.
It's fine.
Little over-hyped.
But I...
Is it at least like a cool new take on a game?
I enjoyed how little help it gave you.
Cool.
And I don't remember the last time I really just...
Like I just meowed for no reason.
Like I was just role-playing a cat.
Goose game?
Yeah, but that was more just like...
It was for a reason.
Isn't that being a goose though?
It was just being an asshole, right?
Isn't that being a goose though?
Yes. Okay, sure.
Fine. That's fair.
That's fair.
Then other than that, like I...
Sure, it is different.
I will admit it is different.
Yeah, I was in my character.
I played it in a combination of on the ROG Ally
and then I also played it in the theater room.
I finally got my fiber optic connections
running back to my computer
so I can play in my theater room
without violating the spirit of the AMD challenge,
which yes, is still on my radar,
even though it's been kind of a nothing burger.
Yeah.
I'm gaming.
It's been three months or something?
I'm PC gaming.
Okay.
It's on my radar and Stray was perfect.
In fact, Stray was too perfect.
On the Ally, I'm very confused.
All of my notes for this AMD challenge
are gonna be worthless
because there will be so many driver revisions
from when I did my testing
and you and Jake finally get around to doing yours
that it's not even gonna make any sense.
You know what?
No, maybe that's part of the story though.
The progression?
Yeah.
You just weave it in.
There's always a way.
We'll make it work.
That's how we do.
I got distracted by incoming again.
Where is my brain today?
Got him.
Let's see.
As a software dev manager of a hybrid,
I feel my work's company push
to get people back into the office
is sidelining remote employees.
How do you avoid the same issue,
especially on the float plane side things?
Well, at LMG, we called everyone back to the office.
So actually we do allow some work from home.
The problem is that so much of what we do
is not work from homeable.
You actually cannot operate a camera from home.
And in the interest of fairness,
because you'd be amazed how petty
and political things can get,
even regarding things like which departments
have which kinds of snacks in their snack supply.
It's easier for us to have a policy
that can be applied to everyone.
So work from home is like on a pre-approval basis.
It's not, or rather is on a per approval basis
rather than just being pre-approved.
And that's the way that we've handled it
is we've always been an in the office company.
And so we're an in the office company again,
now that it's no longer essential
from like a public health emergency standpoint
to do remote work.
And the quality of the product is better.
Simply put, it just is.
Full plan has the same policies before COVID
that we do now.
We just went back to those.
Okay, Nenhancer says no adult is amazed by work pettiness.
The amount of drama that can be caused by a coffee machine,
let me tell you.
I wish one day they'll let me touch it.
No.
It's theirs.
If I- I've never even seen it.
If I see another complaint generated
by that coffee machine,
I will personally throw it in the garbage, personally.
Why are people complaining about a coffee machine?
It doesn't matter.
If I see one, if I see,
if I hear another fucking complaint
about that coffee machine, I will throw it away.
I'll do it myself.
Okay, well, how about another merch message?
Hey, Luke and Dan, and maybe Linus as well.
In all of your years working at LTT,
has Linus ever had an I'm Linus Sebastian
and this is my company moment?
I curated this for you
because I was really curious about your response.
Yeah, it's happened.
Really? Okay, yes.
Yeah, it definitely has, more than once.
I mean, yeah, I don't think I can recognize it.
I will round this corner in a way
that you might not expect though
and say it's very uncommon.
Okay.
I think it would be probably less common
than people watching would expect, but it does happen.
I don't know.
Sometimes you gotta flex the veto power.
Sometimes it's in like cool ways
where people like want you to.
It's not always in cool ways, but like sometimes it is
where like everyone will be like,
yeah, we probably shouldn't do this
for like all these different reasons, but they all want to,
but there's like a lot of logical reasons
why we shouldn't do it.
And then you'll be like, screw it, we're doing it anyways.
And it's like, yes, but like,
Like examples.
I don't have great examples for this.
Maybe Whaleland would be something like that.
Whaleland would definitely be one of those versions.
Yeah, like this is a perfect example for that.
A lot of people are going to come at you with the,
okay, well, I do business decision things at your company.
I need to explain to you
how many different ways this is done.
And like, we shouldn't do it.
Technically based off that.
And then you can veto and go like,
well, we're doing it anyways, cause it's cool.
And I want to have a land.
It's like, okay, sweet.
Okay, but what about times I've done it that it's not cool?
Yeah, I know this has happened,
but I don't have a example right now because honestly,
again, it doesn't happen that often.
So like, I don't think it's happened very recently
and I don't remember.
It's happened though.
I don't know.
It's just not that common.
It's not weak.
Dan, Dan, you got anything?
No, I think you're very level-headed and reasonable.
Oh my God.
Don't be such a kiss ass.
I've only known you for like a year.
Go more, go more.
You gotta get a raise.
Okay. Let's see if my wife,
You can have a go XLR.
Can come up with anything.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, my soul just left some of my body.
Hello?
Hey, you're live on the WAN show.
Hey.
We had a question.
Oh, shoot.
It's not there anymore,
but basically it was along the lines of,
has there ever been a moment in LMG's history
when Linus has had a,
I am Linus Sebastian and this is my company moment.
And I thought you might have a good one.
You mean besides the time when you told me
you had to have 51% of the company when we started it?
Okay.
Yeah. That's probably pretty good.
Thanks, hun.
See you at home.
Thanks for coming in with the save.
Appreciate it.
You win.
See you later.
Got him.
See, there's not that many, but they happen.
They definitely happen.
There's just not that many.
In my defense, it's purely symbolic.
Sure.
It's true.
Sure.
It's true.
Sure.
We have no prenup.
We are a 50-50 marriage.
So half of my 51% of the shares belong to her
and half of her 49% of the shares belong to me.
We should get into the share conversation
and talk about times that Linus said,
screw you, it's my company.
Or we can go to the next-
Yeah, but you haven't even been able
to think of any, smart guy.
Well, that's one.
I mean, I, okay, I don't make unilateral decisions.
Unilateral decisions, okay.
We can go to the next one.
Okay, occasionally I make unilateral decisions.
It's rare.
I try not to.
It is genuinely rare.
I think there's also cases where like,
if you're leading pretty much anything,
you're going to have to sometimes,
even if it's just for like efficiencies case,
cause like you can just go around in circles
about something forever.
And eventually someone has to make it stop.
Okay, yeah.
Here's one where there was a lot of internal conversation
about why we don't cover paying
for alcohol at company events.
So we'll cover food, we'll cover entertainment.
We don't cover alcohol.
In some cases, actually there's an exception.
We do cover two drinks at the Christmas party.
But aside from the Christmas party, just at events,
you are, as long as it is safe,
welcome to purchase and consume your own alcohol,
but we don't pay for it.
And this was a very circular conversation
with both employees and people in the leadership team
where it was like, you know, we're being prude.
It's just because you don't drink.
It's this, it's that, it's that, it's that, it's that.
It went around and around and around and around and around.
I basically went, look, it's a liability concern.
The last thing I need is people behaving in ways
that are inappropriate on company time, on company money.
There are, whether you accept it and acknowledge it or not,
doesn't really matter to me
because this has been a problem.
Not just, you know, anecdotally in the news or whatever,
but even at companies that people here were at previously,
this is an actual real problem
and it simply isn't going to happen.
And the conversation is now over,
was pretty much where I came at it from.
And, you know, part of it is the fact that I feel like
I've already given a bulletproof argument
and I don't really feel like
we need to keep talking about it.
And the other part of it is that, you know,
the people that I'm discussing this with
are coming at it with no skin in the game, right?
Like if there's a, if there is some kind of event,
even if it's a 1% or a 0.1 or a 0.01% chance
of some kind of something bad happening,
I'm the one who's liable, not you.
So this is my gamble, not yours,
which means I make the call, not you.
And that's one of those examples.
And that's one of those moments.
Yeah, they're just not common, but they're going to happen.
And then, right, the other part of it was, you know,
I also just don't see why this really matters.
I'm sorry, your entertainment budget isn't big enough.
Would you like no entertainment budget?
Because the last time I checked,
that ain't in the employee agreement.
This is not a requirement.
And, you know, yeah, I mean,
maybe sometimes I do get a little salty about this stuff.
Like the fact that within two months
of us implementing free snacks,
the fact that it had managed to generate disgruntlement
blew my mind.
We went from having no free snacks to it being political
and generating complaints and hurting morale
in seemingly an unfathomably short period of time.
And, you know, my immediate response,
fortunately I have people around me
that help me be more measured.
And I also am a pretty experienced business person,
I guess, at this point.
But my immediate response to something like that is,
okay, no snacks then.
Like no soup for you.
Like why on earth am I paying money
to generate complaints, right?
Yeah.
We have not done away with snacks.
In fact, we have expanded the snack program,
but I, you know, I do, yeah, I'm a person, right?
And this is, I mean, this comes down to that same,
that conversation that comes up time and again
about whether LMG should unionize, right?
Like from my point of view,
well, that's the decision that needs to be made
by the LMG staff.
It's, there's nothing I could do to prevent it,
but me as a person, as an emotional being, you know,
I would feel like I failed.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that
because we do actually try.
We do actually try to make this a great place to work.
And we try to make it the kind of place to work
that you wouldn't need protection from us.
And we would want you to not feel like you do.
I mean, if you did, then ultimately that's your choice,
right?
But I would like to believe that as long as we continue
to put in our best effort,
that you won't feel that's necessary.
But like I said, there's nothing I could do
to prevent it legally.
Okay, last curated merch message.
I know this is a big question,
but assuming AI and robotics continue to advance
at the rate it has been,
would you ever be comfortable with an AI or an AI robot
taking care of your children or the elderly?
Children know elderly,
anything that gets them off my case.
There's a movie about that.
Is that, is that the quiet part out loud again?
There's a movie about that?
Yeah, it's Robot and Frank, phenomenal film,
old guy, his son pawns him off with this like robot
caretaker and he teaches it to do crimes.
Nice.
It sounds hilarious.
It's phenomenal.
It's really, really good.
Cool.
And now we're back into potential.
Still trying to chew away at these.
Do you want to, maybe I can start reading them
or you're welcome to respond via text.
I think I can, are you still going bottom up?
Yep.
So I'm going to jump more into the middle
and I think you maybe read from the top.
Sure.
And we try to parallelize a bit.
Let's go.
Sounds good.
Hi Linus, on Wancho a month or so back,
you talked about carrying your Ludwig B-Day
on the LTT store.
Are you still working on that?
Oh yeah.
How are you liking yours?
It's good.
I wish I had one on every toilet.
I don't.
So I can't claim that my butt is particularly clean
right now, but sometimes it's clean.
Oh.
Who do I file complaints to?
Hey DLL.
You're union rep.
Oh.
We have HR now.
Yeah, we do.
Hey DLL, I can't find.
HR isn't on a particular side as far as I can tell.
HR exists to keep both sides from yelling at each other.
It's a good thing.
Yeah.
Hey DLL, I can't find record of Linus talking
about ZDTV or tech TV ever before.
Did you watch it as a youth like myself?
I didn't have cable.
So no.
Me neither, so also no.
I became aware of tech TV
when I met Chris Parillo basically.
I only knew him as Locker Gnome.
I didn't even know that he had a career in media.
That guy probably did before I met him met him,
but I didn't know as I was chasing him
in YouTube subscriber count in my early years.
You introduced me to both of those because I had no idea
because I also didn't have cable.
I've always wondered other than GPU block and CPU block,
why standard plumbing fittings from the hardware store
are not used as water cooling components in a computer.
Is it a compatibility problem?
Yes.
For the most part,
they use completely different thread standards
than what you would use in a water cooling system
in a computer.
And for good reason,
they often have much longer threads.
They're designed to operate for 50, 100 years uninterrupted.
So you'll have threads that are this long
and meant to be wrapped with Teflon tape
and like threaded in with a wrench.
Like it's not practical to work on a computer like that.
You'd have to have blocks
that stuck this far off your motherboard, right?
So they're just,
nothing would prevent you from using them
if you had compatible blocks,
but blocks aren't designed to use them
because it kind of sucked.
That's how a lot of things used to work.
Like ThermoChill radiators, for example,
used to use BSPP38 or something like that.
I don't know, they were these enormous threaded fittings
and they were lower restriction, but it wasn't necessary.
So moving to industry standard G1 quarter
was the ultimate good play.
Any plans for other styles of the WAG hoodie?
I'd love to match my short circuit one.
Also cat beds win.
Cat beds actually coming sooner than you think.
We are in our second stage of sampling.
Do you know about this?
What, sorry?
The cat beds.
Oh yes.
Yeah, so it's a PC tower with the side panel off
and the side panel is a little bed.
And then we also have a CRT monitor
that the cat can go inside.
Oh my God.
Yeah, I know, right?
There's definitely been some communication challenges
with the supplier, but we are still working on it.
Hi Linus and Luke, longtime fan of the show.
We are expecting our first child in June.
Question, thinking of your kids,
what future tech are you most excited for
or most worried about for them to be using?
Cheers.
AI.
Howdy from the Rocky Mountains.
My wife and I are picking up the book
and sorter for a family announcement.
What advice would you give to people
who are going to be first time parents?
Don't say AI again.
Um, have fun, enjoy it.
I know that's such a stereotypical answer,
but like, man,
I can barely pick up my eldest anymore.
And you know, you kinda, someday,
I won't be able to do it anymore.
And you're gonna wish you could do it one more time,
you know?
Oof.
Catching the feels on Wancho.
Yeah.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Linus is going to the gym with me.
We'll make it so you can lift.
Yeah, but he's coming to the gym too.
He's gonna get huge.
Yoked.
Hey guys, love the show.
Linus, have you played around with Envy anymore?
What are your thoughts on how it compares to Plex?
I haven't.
I've been lazy in spite of the fact
that there are still some things broken in Plex,
like just playing the next show, for example,
is like maybe a 50-50 shot for me on the Android app.
It's really frustrating, but I'm just, I'm lazy.
Do you think it's okay for people,
users in an office, to be computer literate?
What baseline of computer ability
do you think people should have nowadays?
The question is, is it okay for them to be illiterate?
No.
I think that computer literacy is basically a necessity
for functioning in the modern world.
And if you're computer illiterate,
it reveals to me that you are an un-curious person.
Ooh, that's a bad one.
Yeah, because the internet and technology
is your gateway to learning, right?
And so if you haven't figured out
what an efficient learning tool it is,
then you either haven't looked that hard
or you just don't care,
which to me means you probably are un-curious.
An un-curious person.
Linus and Luke, working in and around your industries
and for all the knowledge you have,
no one sees the future.
What sort of, what's some tech
you are completely surprised by that came into being?
Well, I am on the record on WAN Show
saying crypto would never be used for anything.
Like real transactions, not never be used for anything.
I said it wouldn't be used for any real transactions.
When someone made news for buying a house with it
or something like that, I was like,
well, that's a one-off, that'll...
So that worked out great for me.
Yeah.
I thought VR was closer and AI was further.
Yeah.
We still haven't hit that date that I said for VR,
but I don't think it's looking good.
I don't know.
Apple's upcoming headset.
They might launch and save my prediction out of nowhere.
Yeah, some insiders who have tested it
are like, oh, it blew me away or something.
No way to tell if they're telling the truth, though.
Well, hopefully, but yeah, yeah.
Excited, the Wag hoodie is finally here.
Linus, do you think you'll try the Pixel Fold
when it comes out or just stick with the Galaxy Fold?
I will 100% try a hypothetical Pixel Fold
when it comes out.
There are some definite frustrations with the Galaxy Fold.
I'll be very curious to see if YouTube or if Google
on their own device manages to fix some of the problems
I still have with the YouTube app on this one.
If they don't, rest assured,
I will tear them a new one over it.
Luke, I know you don't like and don't shop on Amazon,
but with items being cheaper on Amazon than stores,
it's easier to just buy on Amazon,
especially when money's tight.
What do you think?
Yeah, it's tough.
I don't for the reasons that I have,
but I don't expect that others necessarily do the same.
I also, I'm very cheap in a lot of ways,
and then also I make good money.
So it's not generally a problem for me.
So I will go out of my way and often end up spending more
to get it from mom and pop shops
and brick and mortars whenever I can,
or find alternatives when I can't.
But I am not about to sit here and preach at people
telling them to spend extra money on things
that they maybe can't afford
when they're just doing what they can to get by.
So do what you're gonna do.
Yeah, that's about it.
Any updates on Linus's smart home?
Still using and enjoying Home Assistant?
I've been using it for years
in open source software for the win.
Yep, still using Home Assistant.
Still happy with it,
other than those switches that I'm still having trouble with
with Z-Wave JS or whatever.
I'm hopefully gonna switch over
to those upcoming Inovelli ones, Project Linus.
Oh, hey, how'd their Indiegogo go?
Inovelli, I haven't looked at it recently.
Hmm, okay, adding keyword Indiegogo, I swear.
Google search has gotten a lot worse.
Wow, they raised 222,000 US dollars.
They have nine days left.
Okay, well that is funded.
So yeah, hopefully I'll get switches at some point.
That'll be cool.
Where are we in potential?
There we are.
Oh, Linus, any updates on LTT and Español?
Yes, right now, I think it's like 10 days behind
or something like that,
because there's like gating that's going on
with the AI service that we're using to translate.
Oh, that's unfortunate.
Yeah, well, the workaround
is that we just use multiple accounts
and they're apparently okay with it or something.
Yeah, no, no, no, Ed's working through it
with the goal for him this quarter
is to get it to within two days of release for LTT.
Hey, LLD, what is currently a piece of tech
that you are really impressed with right now besides AI?
Well, PlayStation 5 is kind of killing it.
PSVR too, it's like kind of awesome.
I think the mobile gaming devices just as a pool.
Steam Deck, the new one, whatever it's called.
Ally.
Ally, that one, those things, they're cool.
I love these.
The Ally is, wait, let me get the bell.
No, it's not fun now.
Will it be worthy?
Yeah, he's not gonna do it.
Okay, I love these new stickers.
I was wondering if you had plans to do a bird option.
We have two Conyers?
Ally is cool and that's the truth.
It's actually pretty good.
You waited long enough that no one was expecting it
and it became good again.
That was very tactical of you.
He's getting advanced.
I'm not gonna lie, when I saw the cat and dog stickers today
I was like, a bird one would be pretty cool.
But I don't think, not anywhere even remotely close
to as many people have birds than people have cats and dogs.
I think you're the only one.
No one else here that I'm aware of has birds.
Yeah, and I think the cats and dog stickers
are like the company's cats and dogs, right?
So unless you want a sticker pack of two birds
that are both mine.
You know what?
You know what?
We'll do a pen.
Oh, that's cool.
Oh, that's pretty cool.
That is cool.
Wait for him to send his text message.
No, no, hit me.
Linus, I produce my company's YouTube channel
working alongside with my SME who has ADHD
and is our brand ambassador.
All right.
What kinds of methods have you employed
to ensure your personality shines through the script?
The easiest way is to edit all the scripts myself,
which is not particularly efficient,
but I haven't found a better way yet.
So cool.
Yep.
Sweet.
Have you ever considered incorporating magnets
into garments?
Would love a magnetically detachable hoodie on lttstore.com?
We do have magnets in some of our garments.
Our shorts have magnets and magnetic flaps
on the like side pockets.
I'm trying to think if there's anywhere else
that we use magnets.
Probably, I can't remember off the top of my head,
but I will tell you that a magnetically attaching hoodie
would not be a great idea.
And the reasons for that are a couple fold.
So one is that in order for them to be strong enough,
they would have to be quite large,
which adds cost and complexity in construction
and also increases weight.
And having that around a hood could be quite challenging.
Also, there'd be no way to make it sure
that it really attaches permanently
when you're grabbing on it.
Garments get manhandled a lot.
It's sort of inherent.
And the third reason is that they can be damaged by heat.
So anything that would go in the dryer,
you could risk the magnets losing
some of their magnetic strength over time.
And something like a hoodie becomes non-functional
if the magnetic strength falls too much.
Something like a pocket that's already kind of being held
down by gravity, but the magnet just keeps it clicked
into place is less likely to suffer
like a functionality deficiency
due to the loss of magnetic strength.
So something that we have to use strategically.
I love magnets though.
Pretty cool.
We've got some curated here.
I think you guys did.
Hi Dan, and I guess Linus and Luke.
Two questions.
Do you think you'll ever do a collab with Bitwit again?
And whatever happened to Brian the electrician?
Brian moved and I think we were potentially discussing
doing a collab with Kyle like upcoming.
Like I haven't worked with him in forever
just because of travel and stuff.
But yeah, don't worry, we're still friends.
Hi Linus and Luke.
Watched everything since the parking lot days
before WAN existed.
Any plans to implement a feedback
from the working for LMG videos?
P.S. Luke's mom on WAN show again, when?
Feedback from the working video, Linus can't watch it.
So I believe the rest of us can.
So there's what I can say is there's already
been some effort, but like a lot of the things
that were complained about were already known issues,
which is good.
Yeah, because we did a round of one-on-one interviews
with HR and literally everyone before we did that video.
So I'm not watching the video cause I said I wouldn't,
but I wouldn't expect there to be any surprises there.
There wouldn't be any surprises.
So yeah.
And like there are things that even before the one-on-ones,
a lot of them we already knew and we're working on.
A lot of them are related to just being an extremely
high velocity workplace and there's things being done
to work on it.
I don't know.
Yeah. All the other managers can watch it.
Just, he can't watch it.
You don't.
Joseph asks, when are we going to get a Linus and Luke
review sexualized LTT fan art video, float plane exclusive.
What?
I already typed the response.
We are never doing that.
The last thing we need is to egg you people on.
There is a lot of it though.
What's going on?
I thought we were almost out, but now there's,
Oh, it's incoming.
They don't stop coming.
Yeah. I think Linus, if you start at the top of incoming.
Thanks for making my Friday and Saturday so much better.
LL&D, what's a life lesson you could learn
from an aging piece of technology?
Tape drive, record player, cassette disc.
What speaks to you?
I still love hard drives.
Yeah.
They love the marriage of digital and mechanical innovation
that like the hard drive is one of those, what's,
what's the quote?
Something, something sufficiently advanced technology
is indiscernible from magic.
Hard drives are indiscernible from magic to me.
And I don't, I don't mean that literally.
I understand how they work.
Even if you deeply understand how they work,
it's still just like, what?
There's hurricane force winds inside a hard drive.
And yet it still manages to operate at nanoscale.
Yeah. It's like, I forget,
I forget how a WD rep described it to us once,
but it was like a bird flying three inches over the ground
in a hurricane or something like that.
Like, and, and managing to like perform this task.
Like it's mind blowing to me, hard drives.
I love hard drives.
I like a game cartridges.
I also, okay, here's a controversial take.
I like hard drives because I miss the thinking sounds
computers make.
I don't miss that.
Not even a little.
I know, but I do.
If you watch an old movie and like,
they got to do something on the computer and you hear it,
like, that is so sick.
So cool.
Floppy drives seeking noises, that sort of thing.
Yeah.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah. It's sweet.
Yeah. Electric cars,
putting speakers in their engine bays to make the sound of
ice cars is stupid.
And I don't want my computer to like have a speaker that
makes it sound like it's working. That's stupid.
I just want it to like, actually,
if it's actually a thing, that's cool.
That's it.
M.2 SSD that has a speaker that plays hard drive noises.
I hate it.
Come on, AliExpress, let's go.
Okay. A couple more curated here.
Hey Linus, for transparency sake,
why don't you guys talk about bill of materials bill of
services and how much you make on a product, your margins,
maybe start with today's launch, the wag hoodie.
Other than that, they're none of your business.
I don't really know.
Yeah. If we were, if we were a public company,
we would disclose that because our shareholders have a
vested interest.
Okay.
But if we decide to strategically take lower margin on one
product and make it up somewhere else,
I just don't really feel like I owe anybody an explanation
for that. You know, for us,
it's more about making sure that the quality of the product
justifies the end retail price, you know,
compared to, compared to other,
other competing products out there.
And I just don't really think,
I don't really think it matters.
Yeah. The people are talking to chat,
like even in private companies or even in public companies,
margins are expressed more generally,
or sometimes a business unit by business unit,
but generally not, not all the way down to an individual
product.
And companies consider that to be just highly confidential,
like trade secret information, even like how much margins
they're they're able to make because say AMD knew how much
margin Nvidia was making on an RTX 40 90.
They could take that information and turn it around into a
competitive advantage against Nvidia by squeezing TSMC or
board partners or whatever else the case may be.
So I can see why AMD would want to know,
but I don't see why there would be any benefit to Nvidia to
disclose that.
Okay. Next up Linus,
how has your neuro divergence hindered you on the path to
getting to the successful place you are today?
What strategies do you use to overcome it? Or has it had the,
or has it possibly helped in certain scenarios?
I don't really think of.
How do we divergent from if we are all divergent?
Yeah. I'm about to get spicy here because I don't
necessarily consider ADHD to be neuro divergent in that
sense. I don't really consider it to be a major disadvantage.
I think everybody's a little bit different and we can try
and group people into,
into buckets and sort them by color or by, you know,
the method that they are best approach a problem or, you
know, whatever else it is. But at the end of the day,
all we get is the hand we're dealt and, you know,
you've got to make it work.
And there's definitely been times that not being able to
focus on stuff has been challenging. I mean,
I flunked out of school. That's, that's a pretty,
that's a pretty bad mark.
The beginning of the hack.
Yeah. I mean, I was pretty, pretty useless there, right?
There's definitely times that it's challenging,
but the best thing that you can do,
I think is surround yourself with people that make you
better surround yourself with people who fill those holes,
right? Like, you know, take my wife,
she is super focused,
but doesn't have that same creative dragon energy that I do.
So she found a partner that fills her holes, right?
Which is good.
I was not going to dignify that.
I I'm recognizing some of the words that were said now,
because I was very focused on what I was typing. Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
We have, we have five seconds left
until our end of time.
Let's not leave there.
All right.
We still got some incoming.
Leaving it there would be so funny though.
Just end the stream.
If you say bye, I have to play the outro.
It would be a bit of a flaccid point to leave it on.
We should keep going.
Yay!
Yay!
Nice one, Luke.
I haven't had one of those from you for a long time.
Any more incoming that pique your interest?
How about Luke goes through that while I rapid fire,
try to respond to them.
Sounds good.
Okay.
So you're reading them out to be clear.
Okay.
Sweet replacement to my Aorus three P three X thunder.
Two questions.
Plans for power play compatible sizes of the pads
and any on the accounting team slated for an AMD upgrade.
My wife is actually getting an upgrade
and she's technically on the accounting team.
As for power play compatible sizes of the pads.
Yeah, I think the 30 centimeter tall one
fits right over top of a pad.
You can see it in any of my recent setup videos.
So it just lays across it and that's how I use it.
Hello, first I'm making it live to the WAN show
and leaving a merch message.
Do gift card values accumulate in my account
or is it like I can only use one per purchase?
Love you guys.
They don't sit in your account.
I don't think, I actually don't know how they work.
I've never bought a gift card from my own store.
Technically me either.
Yeah.
I think it is a code.
I don't think it's maximum one per purchase.
I know.
No, you can definitely use more than one per purchase.
I know that.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a code or not.
I think it's a code.
Shopify support.
I don't know.
You could ask support.
Yeah.
Or it is a Shopify discard.
So it's probably very good.
We have a new button in the merch message thing.
What you can do is you can hit support
and then it'll create a ticket for our support team.
And then our support team should reach out to you
via email that you left your merch message.
Okay, next up.
Hey, Dale, that one just disappeared.
Do you think there's a work opportunity
for people with many skills rather than focusing on one?
I'm a shareholder rep at 29 years old,
but I used to be in UX and videography
and with a degree in linguistics.
Yeah, totally.
What do you think, Dan?
That's YouTubers in a nutshell.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, you'll probably have to find a spot
at a smaller company.
Yeah, smaller companies definitely work better.
But yes.
Acknowledge the, well, there.
See ya.
Bye.
Have you seen the Kickstarter for the Flux keyboard?
It's very interesting and something I've never seen before.
Yes, it's cool.
How much time in a given workday
do you guys consider appropriate to give organizing
or documenting, outlying clutter
from projects around your desk?
Well, we have five people, six now.
We have a lot of people in the logistics department,
so they help.
As for how much is appropriate,
well, you're gonna have to do it one way or another.
You can either do it as you go.
You can do it when you're done, but it has to be done.
So it's however much it is.
I didn't really hear the question, but yeah.
How much time should we spend cleaning your desk?
Shout out to Gianni.
Hey, Dale.
I asked Bing to generate some questions for WAN Show,
and my favorite one of the list was
what are some of your favorite virtual reality experiences?
I actually really enjoyed Lucky's Tale.
It was the first game that I played
that I, even though it's like a controller game,
I just felt so immersed in the world,
even though it's just a platformer game.
Lucky's Tale was the first, like,
this is an actual game and not just a tech demo.
Not just like a rollercoaster you sit on
and feel nauseated, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
My favorite experience really was just like
watching people get far too into it.
When you see people like physically react
by like way leaning out of the way
or like jumping because they think
they're actually gonna get hit by it or whatever.
Like being afraid of a cliff,
like walking a tightrope, like ooh.
Richie's Plank Experience is a classic for that.
Yeah.
Okay, next up.
Acknowledge the forgotten chat, Twit.
No.
Oh, and it's gone.
Honestly, how do you folks make money on these?
64 ounce bottle for 30 US dollars and wood quality.
It's great.
Wow.
Thanks, boot lick more.
Love it.
You bought two, excellent.
Great working on them.
Enjoy your animal sticker pack.
And with that out of the way,
we're done for this week.
We'll see you again next time.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
You're welcome for answering your gift card message.
I missed the rest of that chat
cause you sent it at the end.
Oh my goodness.
That's what happens when we pause the queue.
See ya.
Wow.