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Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever. Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever.

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It does, mine does.
So get wrecked.
Welcome to the one show.
The good audio show.
Yeah, the show that as long as you do not
have daylight savings time is still half an hour early.
Heck yeah.
Heck yeah, bud.
Oh man.
We don't operate in these confines
of localized ideas of time.
Yeah, you know man, like,
you know, time is like,
you know, really it's just a measure of like the sun.
You just think it's this time
because the man tells you it's this time.
The man tells you what time it is.
Yeah.
So we're telling you what time it is.
It's WAN show time.
And WAN show time happens when a wizard decides
that it arrives.
Yeah.
Late, whatever.
Anyway, Mac OS finally supports eGPUs
over Thunderbolt 3.
Nice.
The Exynos model Galaxy S9s
apparently are significantly worse
than the Snapdragon ones,
which sort of runs counter
to what we had talked about on the show a little while ago
where it seemed like Samsung was going to be nerfing
the Exynos ones.
Yeah.
So we'll get into that a little bit more later.
What else you got?
Apple releases iOS 11.3 to absolute critical acclaim.
No, not necessarily.
We'll see.
We'll see you later.
They're not necessarily against it either.
It's just not the most exciting thing.
AMD strikes back at GPP,
which is brand new, never heard before news.
No one had any idea that AMD was against GPP at all.
Let's roll the intro.
Fake news show?
How much of that donut did you just consume?
Like actually like half of it?
Oh, you didn't do the sponsor thing.
Okay.
I'm fine.
Oh man.
I'm fine.
I'm fine.
Okay. Well, we, I think, do we have to-
Oh, that's good.
I think that's the wrong lower third now.
This is the part where I smile, right?
It is the wrong lower third now.
You clicked it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, shoot.
I got it.
Thanks anyways.
I appreciate it.
Here we go.
All right.
We made it.
The big news this week is of course about us.
Oh.
We broke up with Tunnel Bear.
We broke up with Tunnel Bear.
Apparently we have already got an email.
Yep.
From one of Tunnel Bear's co-founders.
Yep.
That is pretty upset.
And I don't know.
I'm not going to go into, I mean,
I'm not going to say anything that you guys
couldn't probably assume,
but what I will say is that we stand behind
everything we said.
We asked them for comments.
We gave them two weeks or three weeks, two weeks I think.
We gave them two weeks to like-
I wasn't sure if we were saying that part,
but that's pretty important in my opinion.
We gave them a couple of weeks to get back to us
and be like, yo, here's our plan
to make sure that none of this is a concern.
We did not hear back from them.
Yep.
And I've used PIA in the past.
We have other people here on staff that have been using it.
Actually some of them for quite some time.
I used both concurrently.
Tunnel Bear I liked because it was just so fast.
It's really quick to get going.
Yes.
That's true.
But then any more long-term installations I used PIA for.
So, you know, everything has a place
and PIA's place is in our video descriptions
and Tunnel Bears is figuring out
how to explain selling to McAfee.
Yeah.
I mean, and as I said in the stream,
so I'm just kind of, I just want to reiterate
for anyone who didn't watch the stream today,
as I said, we actually don't,
we're not aware of any huge problems
that will arise due to this acquisition.
Honestly, we don't know that anything will change
or go wrong or be bad or anything like that.
What we do know is that it gave us
and many members of our community reason to doubt
that things would continue to be status quo and fine,
and that we couldn't get a comment from them
for a couple of weeks.
So we kind of went, well, let's look at the other options
and being who we are, it was not hard to get VPN services
to return our phone calls.
You know, knowing what the endorsement
of our community does for a particular service,
they were like, yeah, we want to talk.
How's now?
How about now?
So that was a big thing and yeah.
So there's some, you know,
there might be some frustration on Tunnel Bears side
and we kind of are sorry for that,
but the flip side of it is that just, you know,
we have to, when you go through-
The internet moves fast.
When you go through something like an acquisition,
people need answers like right away,
and when it's something as serious as your online privacy,
especially with some of the crap
that's been happening lately.
Oh yeah, yeah, tons.
Like there's no waiting around for a month to hear back
if the service that our viewers are using is like still cool.
Still okay or not, yeah.
All right, so why don't we jump into our first-
Got some Fs in the chat for the Tunnel Bear sponsorships.
Really?
Yeah.
Speaking of Tunnel Bear sponsorships,
I have to pay respects,
but you'll probably get banned by the bot, so don't.
Oh yeah.
Okay, it's only-
It's only for 20 seconds at a time, but look at that.
What?
Why did you encourage them?
Why did you do it?
I'm just watching the bot just like covered in carnage.
Just like, it's not even a ban hammer.
I think they overpowered it.
It's a ban steam roll.
I'm not even kidding.
Did the bot crash?
No.
Wait, no, maybe it's turned off.
Or maybe, yeah, maybe not.
Maybe it's temporarily off.
All right.
Epic.
So, okay, let's jump into our first like external topic
for the day.
This was posted by Vegetable Stew on the forum.
And the original article here is from MacRumors.
Boop, looks a little something like that.
Apple releases macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 with eGPU support.
And this is actually pretty exciting
for a couple of reasons.
Number one is that I'm excited to finally
be legitimately excited about Thunderbolt ports
on the MacBook Pro and on the iMac Pro,
because I initially saw the iMac Pro and I went,
wow, it's got Thunderbolt ports.
That means that even though it's like a locked down,
sealed up Apple product,
the most important part of it
that might need to be upgraded within the next,
I'd say three to four years can actually be upgraded.
It's the GPU.
So the iMac Pro, if it supports eGPU,
can have its RAM, its storage.
I mean, with some difficulty of course,
but it's RAM, it's storage and it's CPU upgraded
to up to an 18 core processor,
up to, I think it's 256 gigs of RAM.
It's a lot.
Which is a lot, only four sticks.
So you've got to buy like really high density modules.
But still you can do it.
But you can do it.
And then it's got, I forget,
it's either one or two SSD slots.
But I mean, honestly, a machine like that,
it's got 10 gig LAN.
You should be using a high performance NAS
for your bulk storage anyway.
So it makes it like a legitimately pro machine.
I was so disappointed when I found out
that the iMac Pro didn't support eGPU
unless you boot it into Windows.
So the hardware was obviously there,
but Apple had it turned off in Mac OS.
So it didn't support eGPU unless you booted it into Windows.
And I'm still disappointed about this one.
It still doesn't support a display target mode
or whatever they call that, target display mode.
So you can't continue to use it as a monitor
for your like next generation iMac Pro or Mac Pro.
Especially because it is actually a really nice monitor.
So that would be nice.
That would be super swell.
But here, let's have a look
and see if there's sort of anything else to add here.
So the rest of the update includes
support for business chat conversations
and messages in the US, whatever that.
See, not being sort of immersed in the Apple ecosystem,
I actually don't know what that is.
Me neither.
Allows jumping to the right most open tab
using command nine in Safari.
Oh boy.
Okay.
Safari is so bad.
You know, the one thing that makes it completely unusable
for me is the fact that it doesn't support favicons.
Every tab is just gray.
Oh.
Yeah, so I like, I can't tell what anything is.
That's actually unusable for me.
Yeah, like with the number of tabs.
Yeah.
You became a tab monitor.
I did, I was so good.
I corrupted him.
I was so good.
I corrupted him, it's great.
Like never beyond five.
I regularly use like 25 to 35 gigs of Ram with Chrome.
Now I'm right there.
Yeah.
You don't even have an ultra wide yet either
because let me tell you.
Okay, my work computer is an ultra wide
and at home I have three monitors.
Okay, okay.
You know what's up.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, so it's completely unusable for me.
What else we got here?
You can sort Safari bookmarks by name or URL.
What are these updates?
These are updates?
Why are they all for the browser?
Display privacy icons
and link introduces a smoke cloud wallpaper
that was previously only available on the iMac Pro.
What?
Is it some more Safari stuff?
Okay, so let's focus on the eGPU stuff
because that is by far the coolest thing about it.
The most exciting, so here's the features.
You can connect additional external monitors
or displays with your eGPU.
That's pretty cool.
So not only being able to connect additional displays
cause you could do that already,
but being able to drive them off of a different GPU.
Very cool.
You can charge your MacBook Pro while using eGPU.
So that's pretty cool if you're into mobile.
You can use an eGPU with your MacBook Pro
while the built-in display is closed.
Okay, that I probably would have mostly taken for granted.
You can connect more than one eGPU
using the multiple Thunderbolt 3 ports.
That's cool.
Yeah, but any PC can do that too.
No, I know, but like, yeah.
And you can use virtual reality headsets
plugged into the eGPU.
They don't have favicons.
I know.
I'm trying to give them credit for everything.
I know, I know, I know.
Like give them what they can get.
I mean, I'm sure there are Mac people in the chat
that are like, actually Linus, there's on the app store,
you can actually get this thing.
It's like $7.99 and it'll add favicon.
Or everyone just downloads a different browser.
Everything on the Mac is like that.
There's like a fix, but it's like a $17 download or whatever.
And it like fixes some of the BS in Finder.
And you're just like, yeah,
this would probably be free on Windows.
And Linux, it would definitely be free.
People are like, next topic.
No, okay, okay.
No, no, this is a big deal.
I was actually getting to the sort of the climax here,
so to speak.
You can run an Nvidia GPU on your Mac.
Yeah.
Properly, in a supported way.
Because up until now, the only way to,
like Nvidia has Mac OS drivers, they released them,
but the only way to run a modern Nvidia card
would be to be using a Mac Pro from like 2013 or something,
or to be using a Hackintosh.
Thanks Bixby, I really wasn't talking to you right now.
So I think this is gonna help a lot actually,
because like the MacBook Pros have been really popular
for a long time, especially for editing.
That's right.
And now if you can, yeah, do some stuff on the road,
but also dock it when you come home
and edit more heavily there.
That's right.
I think that's actually really cool.
I think that's fantastic.
And I mean, not just editing.
I mean, you look at any GPU accelerated workloads,
whether it's a simulation or whether it's rendering,
whatever the case may be, like if you want,
I actually don't know if Nvidia has Quadro drivers
for the Mac, so don't quote me on this one.
But if you had the ability to run a Quadro on Mac OS,
and again, okay, I don't know if like SolidWorks
supports it yet or anything like that.
The point is we're moving in that direction
and choice is always good.
In the same way that if you were able to choose
between AMD and Nvidia on a PC,
it is good that you can choose between AMD and Nvidia
for your Apple experience too.
So that's the thing that I'm most stoked on.
Actually, this is interesting.
We've got someone asking,
why is it that Apple only uses AMD?
This is from near rut, near rut a time?
I don't know.
I don't know what that says.
People are saying no Nvidia official support.
Okay, so we'll give it a little bit more time
for Nvidia GPUs to be officially supported.
Yeah, I was just gonna say,
I think that's gonna become a thing over time.
They gotta do the first step.
But well, I don't know.
With Apple, you never know.
They may actually lock it down.
So something that Alienware did
is on their gaming notebooks,
the ones that have the GPU dock,
their proprietary connector on the back,
they actually intentionally locked out.
And I don't know if they're still doing it,
but they intentionally locked out Thunderbolt eGPUs.
And you know it's intentional.
I think I talked about this
with like an Alienware 13 review a little while back.
You can tell it's intentional
because contemporary XPS models worked fine with eGPUs.
And there was a specific error message
that said that Thunderbolt eGPUs
are not supported on this model.
And so it is possible
that they would do something like that.
So let's sort of not put it past them.
But okay, so there seems to be some debate
in the comments here in the Twitch chat.
So wish I was dead 1990.
Nvidia says Nvidia does offer official support.
Yes, they do for their GPUs.
But what I think people might be saying
is that Apple is not currently supporting Nvidia GPUs
with their eGPU enabled macOS.
And I believe it would be possible
for them to allow or disallow.
So having not actually tried it yet,
and right now our iMac Pro is still broken.
We have a video coming on that.
Very long story.
Do you know anything about this?
Yeah.
Okay, very frustrating story.
Okay, I haven't heard an update in a while,
but I know everything about the beginning.
It hasn't gotten any less stupid.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, it's still broken.
It's right there.
Are they still refusing?
The video coming, but it's, I mean, it's right there.
That's a super broken, broke dick screen on the front of it.
So anyway.
Understood.
Apparently they killed Thunderbolt 2 support.
Okay, sorry, I can't.
Will you discuss the proof
that Intel cherry picked CPUs for reviewers?
No, probably not.
Anyway, because, wait, we like did a video.
We showed ours was the same.
I'll be your chat filter.
I got you, man.
Okay, okay.
I'm getting triggered.
He's getting flustered.
I'm getting triggered.
Where was I going with this?
Right, right, right.
No, actually I think, yeah, I'm pretty much done.
Apple eGPUs, I think we're pretty good.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing.
It's a good thing.
We're excited.
We hope that things are better.
I'm quite happy because I actually think,
like, especially you got us those blades.
Right.
Hold on, hold that thought.
Yep.
Why Apple only uses AMD?
There's a big thread on the forum about this this week.
We had someone asking in Twitch chat.
My tinfoil hat theory,
I don't think Apple's ever explicitly come out and said,
this is why we straight up will not work with Nvidia.
But I think in Apple's mind,
Nvidia still owes them like a billion dollars or something.
Whoa.
Because do you remember that whole scandal back in,
it must've been like 2012, 2011, something like that.
Way back when Nvidia's, again,
don't quote me on the exact year or the exact model,
but I believe it was 940 MX graphics cards or 640,
whatever it was.
Was it like an Apple only?
So I don't know if it was an Apple only skew,
but basically what happened was Nvidia was doing
on motherboard GPUs for Apple that because of this problem
with the type of solder and the way that it was soldered
and the way that that machine heated up and cooled down,
they were basically,
the solder joints were basically all failing,
like actually all of them.
And Apple at some point ended up having to issue a recall
and they did not, 860 M people are saying,
maybe it was the 860 M.
Yep.
So Apple and Nvidia, to my knowledge,
did not reach an amicable agreement
about how they were gonna cover the costs of that recall.
Since then, to my knowledge,
we haven't seen an Nvidia based machine out of Apple at all.
And so there's people talking about how
maybe Nvidia wants too much margin
or maybe this or maybe that,
or maybe Nvidia won't give them the supply
or whatever the case may be.
I don't think it's any of that stuff.
I think this is just actually tech giant grudge match 2018.
And I don't see how they would ever resolve this
because frankly, both of them are fairly,
maybe arrogant isn't quite the right word, but-
I know what you mean.
They're both pretty my way or the highway.
Yeah.
And pretty inflexible.
You know, I don't know, I don't actually know that.
They're both big giants
that expect everyone to bend over for them.
Yeah.
And like, now they're angry at each other.
So, and they're both just kind of staring at each other
and nothing's happening.
Yeah. So I think,
I think Apple would actually build their own GPU
before they would put Nvidia products in their products.
And it's not even that crazy.
Yeah.
Like Apple has the money to shut out anyone.
And Nvidia is basically printing money right now
to the point where they got to kind of sit there and go,
yeah, we don't need you, we don't need Xbox,
we don't need PlayStation, whatever.
We'll just, we'll keep selling,
we'll keep selling Teslas to data centers all day.
Have fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so as long as neither of them has any reason
to check their ego,
I don't think this is ever going to get resolved.
And you even see like the way that they continue to behave
with Nvidia snarkily providing drivers for Mac OS.
Your move.
I bet you that pisses off Linux quite a bit.
Oh, well.
I never thought about that.
Rough.
Okay. Well,
nothing that you or I can do about any of that.
No.
All right.
Why don't we jump into our next topic here?
This was originally posted by
Die Hard Live.
Die Hard Live.
I can never read that.
I got you.
It's too late to speak.
No, never.
The original article here is from a non-tech and
Or Die Hard Live maybe?
I don't know. Live Live.
No, wait, no.
I think you got it wrong.
I think it's Die Hard to Live.
Yes.
Die Hard to Live.
Yep. Okay.
We got this.
We got this.
We can read your name.
Wow.
So contrary to what we thought earlier
from actually also reading an article on a non-tech,
it looks like the S9
with the Snapdragon 845
actually crushes
the Exynos
9810 equipped phones.
In web browsing, video editing,
photo editing,
writing?
Wrong.
In manipulation.
Oh no.
Phone benchmarks really are very confusing.
Like you actually just have to do it by device
because like look at this kind of stuff.
The reference design for the 845 crushes everything
in the writing 2.0 test.
Yeah.
But then the S9 Plus gets beat by a Snapdragon 835 S8.
And yeah.
Okay.
But then a Pixel 2 XL is like way below both of them.
The Exynos wins in data manipulation.
So.
Randomly.
And loses in everything else, I think?
Yeah, I don't even know what to tell you guys.
But basically they've determined
that the Exynos 9810 variant of the S9
is significantly slower than the Snapdragon 845.
The Snapdragon one is available in Canada,
US, China, Japan, and Latin America.
And everyone else, including Europe,
gets the Exynos 9810.
So they've identified the root cause
as a very conservative scheduler and DVFS mechanisms.
So, you know, I was actually kind of,
I was kind of bummed out that I ended up
with a Snapdragon version.
And.
The intro is playing somewhere.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, I started playing it for like a second by accident.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yeah, for just like a second.
And then I skipped away from it.
Okay.
It was my bad.
Okay.
I was kind of bummed because initially
it looked like Exynos was gonna perform better,
but then now the Snapdragon performs better.
And actually-
Oh, do you-
I have Snapdragon.
Oh.
Yeah, but I had Exynos last generation.
I think last generation that was better or something.
You know what?
I'm at the point now where phones haven't been slow enough
that it's mattered for like probably about three years.
So.
Yeah.
With that said, my iPhone 6 is really freaking slow now.
Like really slow.
I'm kind of tempted to go in and see
if they'll change my battery.
Okay.
No, the iPhone 6 isn't that old.
iPhone 6 release date.
Here we go.
Two years?
2014.
Oh wow.
Bro.
Oh, well three and a half years ago.
Bro.
Yeah, okay.
The 6S really was a lot faster too.
But yeah, and like once you hit three years for a phone,
I find two years you start to really feel it.
It's really slow though.
Yeah.
Like super bad.
At a year and a half, I usually start-
At a year to a year and a half, I start really noticing
battery problems.
Right.
And then at two years, I'm like, there's battery problems.
It's also kind of slow.
Things are getting in.
At three years, it's like, okay, I want a new phone.
Bugs are not getting fixed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Apple releases iOS 11.3.
Yes.
The original article here is from apple.com naturally
because nobody else would consider this newsworthy.
Oh, I wanted this.
The only thing I have to say about most of this
is that it's pretty boring.
Yes.
We're getting new AR experience.
Okay, we got to straw pull this.
We got to straw pull the hell out of this.
And it doesn't count if you were just like tooling around
with it for 10 minutes.
Okay.
I want to know who here has actually used.
No, you don't have to use it like all the time.
Yeah.
Okay.
Have you, you know what?
Like an option for both.
Okay.
Have you actually used AR?
But okay.
The reason why I keep on saying this is
I'm sure a ton of people,
because we have a very interested tech,
interested audience have opened the app.
That's not what we're talking about.
Yeah, that's not what we're talking about.
We mean like some form of extended use, not persistence.
I'm not saying every day, but like you,
you actually really like kind of got into it.
How about this?
Okay.
So the poll is, have you actually used AR?
Okay, cool.
We've got no, we've got tried it once.
It's lame slash not ready yet.
Sure.
Used it for something practical.
Like, and it has to have actually worked
like not a ruler application where you measured a room
and it wasn't right.
Like if it was, if it was right.
And that, that was actually useful for you.
That counts.
And then we've got use it consistently.
Cause I want to know, is anybody actually using AR?
I have laughed at one video of AR.
Are we counting Pokemon Go?
No.
No.
We are counting things that are being advertised as AR
because Pokemon Go was more like pointing your camera stuff
and then Pokemon kind of get inserted into the scene.
It is technically augmented reality,
but there's nothing spatial about it.
And it's very old school style.
It's not an augmented reality device
that uses any kind of newer technology
to actually embed the graphics into the real world.
It's just mostly putting them over top of your camera.
Okay. What about Snapchat?
Snapchat?
No, that's not.
It fixes onto your face.
It does use tracking.
It's slightly newer than Go in terms of the tech.
I know what you're talking about.
I know this still isn't it.
Yeah. That's really not it.
Okay. How do we define this?
That's, that's the thing.
It's hard.
Okay. No guys, I know it is AR.
I know it's technically AR, but.
I think he's talking an application
that is specifically AR focused.
Snapchat is more about showing pictures
that has an AR element.
You know what?
That's a great way to define it.
So I'm talking about Ikea's furniture arranger.
Okay.
And I don't just mean you used it
and you put in the furniture
and you like thought, oh, this app is pretty cool.
I mean, you actually used it.
Like you went and bought something
based on the experience you had with it.
Or like a game that overlays itself onto a tabletop.
I'm talking an AR where AR is central to the experience.
And we know Pokemon go use AR kit.
It's just very basic.
We want something a little bit more hardcore.
Okay.
So no Pokemon go
and something that is absolutely our focus.
Okay.
Someone in the chat ban all ARs.
Let's get into, let's not get that confused.
Chat's like, hurry up so I can click no.
Look, we're on it.
Okay.
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Next up, we've got Synergy 2.
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between multiple computers.
Be they Windows, Mac, or Linux based.
They've got a brand new UI that makes the whole thing
straightforward and easy to set up without having to know
like the IP addresses of the machines.
Their new networking backend allows you to basically
have it automatically work with complex networks
that Synergy would never have worked with before.
Their SSL encryption has been moved from the pro
to the basic tier.
So all users can benefit from encryption.
Their new background service runs on all platforms
and lets users control all of their machines
before they've even logged in,
which is pretty sweet as well.
And they've removed the concept of server
and client computers.
So users can now share their mouse and keyboard
from any computer without having to reconfigure.
So check out Synergy 2 at seamless.com slash Synergy
slash WAN 4.
Bringing us finally to the big controversial one.
Someone just asked when is a Savage Jerky
going to be acquired by McAfee?
I just thought that, I just thought that was kind of.
Is there someone equally evil in the food world?
Monsanto.
That we could, what is that?
You have not gone down conspiracy rabbit holes.
I see.
No.
Oh, okay.
Don't worry about it.
I don't.
Let's just keep going.
You know what?
Hold on a second.
I'm taking, no, I'm taking off.
I'm taking off the sponsor lower third.
We'll get to PIA in a minute.
Okay.
They're like, so.
Who are they?
I'm not super up on it.
I used to be really well informed.
They have something to do with.
Apparently Nestle is evil.
Literally everyone.
What Nestle?
Nestle, they have a few things.
They're a giant company.
So there's going to be some stuff.
I know they were pulling water out of BC
at some like under the table kind of rate.
Okay.
Okay.
That was like a huge thing up here for a little while.
Their bottled water is like, pardon my French, awful.
Like it is awful.
It's like the worst.
It tastes like pool water like that.
You know, that, that, that cheap one that comes in,
that, that the crinkly bottle,
the crinkly bottle that everyone rebrands,
but that is Nestle.
It's awful.
It's the worst bottle of water.
I would rather drink tap water in like LA.
You know how like the New York times said that BC has the
most corrupt government of all of North America.
I did hear about that.
Yeah.
So that was part of that whole thing because it was like
super under the table and they were buying it for like
essentially nothing, just huge amounts of water.
Apparently they have child labor issues in Ghana.
Tried to buy all the rainwater rights in Bolivia.
Yeah. They're a.
Stop producing.
The like water wars,
which are starting to just kind of starting to happen now.
And people have been talking about happening for a long
time. They're on the front of that for sure.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Someone says they wouldn't even douche with Nestle water.
Okay. That's a little far, I think.
Huh? Someone says LA tap water is actually excellent.
And excellent is spelled wrong.
It's probably from the water.
Sorry. No offense.
No offense.
We love all of our Californian viewers.
You guys are great.
Your water, not so great.
Anyway, sorry. What were you saying?
Anyways, Monsanto has something to do with genetically
modified organics.
Oh, whatever.
I don't remember to what degree.
Oh, okay.
But there's like insane amounts of conspiracy theories
around them. I don't know if they're true.
They might be true. I have no clue. I'm not informed.
I'm sorry.
If I remember correctly at one point in time,
they were like aggressively pushing farms to use their
stuff and trying to make it so that they're like,
wasn't seeds that weren't theirs. And I don't know,
but I don't know if that's true or not.
So many on subs on follows so many for what?
Oh, the California water. Yeah. Yeah.
Look, look, look, look, look, look.
We have the greatest water in the world.
We actually do. We live in a rain forest.
Yeah. Like, sorry.
It's just hard to compare.
Yeah. I'm just, I'm,
I'm being an elitist and it's not nice and it's not fair.
Please don't unsub and unfollow because I'm sorry that I
hurt your feelings.
That sounds sincere.
Hopefully.
Cause like, I actually don't give a crap.
Our water is better and they should just deal with it.
Totally.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Like some, some, some, some,
somebody in chat is saying they Sue farmers for seeds that
blow into their land.
So like the wind kid,
someone else is saying Monsanto kills GMO seeds and Sue's
farms for using their sea.
I don't, I don't know. There's a lot of stuff.
I don't know what's going on.
I just, people don't like them. I don't know.
Okay. All right. Okay. All right. All right. All right.
So anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, PIA.
So reasons to use private internet access.
IP cloaking hides your true IP address and your geographic
location.
It allows you to browse on and browse that browser,
keeping your identity hidden,
which is especially important for our political dissidents,
journalists, human rights activists, et cetera.
Well, that's what's going on right now.
I'm going to China.
Oh yeah. Yeah. You should have it.
I brought, I think the last time I was there,
I think I had like five or six installed just so I could
like check which one had the best out connection.
You can avoid data mining and targeted advertising.
You can block unwanted connections.
You can unblock websites,
allowing you to bypass lots of government censorship,
censorship, and firewalls,
allowing you unrestricted access to more of the internet,
and you can save money.
So not only is PIA extremely affordable,
they actually allow you to hide well,
where you're from and browse websites that have different
pricing depending on your location.
So travel is a key one here.
If you browse as though you are from Asia, for example,
little inter Asia,
short hop flights are often much cheaper than if you look at
them from North America, little pro tip.
Oh yeah.
I think something legally changed in China with VPNs,
by the way.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
So,
so obviously you're not using one when you're there.
No.
Totally not.
I will check my Gmail by using team viewer to my nope.
Nope.
That doesn't work.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that.
Oh yeah.
That's right.
Team viewer doesn't work there.
I remember trying it last time.
Yeah.
Well, I'll figure something out.
Anyway,
you can connect up to five devices at the same time.
They have over 3000 bare metal servers and 44 locations
across 28 countries.
And you can get, go sign up there.
There you go.
There's your link.
Pretty simple.
Boom.
Why is tech tips with dashes?
You want to hear something crazy?
Yes.
I don't know what the numbers at now,
but the last time I looked at it,
it was like a couple hours ago.
We've already had like 700 people sign up with our link.
Wow.
Yeah.
I'm not that surprised to be honest,
because I don't know.
I think that's crazy.
There was a little bit of a response when tunnel bear.
Oh, well not when tunnel bear came out and told everyone,
but when people figured out that tunnel bear was being
purchased by McAfee, there was a, there was a response.
And I think people were looking for maybe a new home.
And we showed them the door.
New homes.
Oh, my,
oh, I don't have a lower third for LTX,
but LTX is going to be awesome.
It's July 14th at the Richmond Olympic oval.
I'm actually so stoked.
He's going to be there.
Absolutely.
I'm going to be there.
It's an LTT meetup and tech convention focuses on letting
people get their hands on cool technology.
Oh, this is cool.
I took a start at $35 Canadian.
So that's like $27 US.
It's not too bad as long as you can get here.
Yeah.
You can check it out at LTX expo.com and travel.
Yeah.
This is cool.
We have a booth list now.
This like just went up today.
I think.
What's yesterday's this?
We don't know how many K's it will be yet.
Oh, I didn't know what it was.
Yeah, no, I know.
And why would it be that long?
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's just, that's the blacked out thing, right?
You have a little blackout with a K on the end.
It also might not be there because it depends on,
so Nvidia announced a new Quadro like two days ago.
Well, don't tell people too much and they figured it out.
Well, no, no, it's fine.
It just like, I don't know if they're gonna send us enough.
Oh.
So depending on how many of them,
cause it's 32 gigs of Ram on this thing.
So depending on how many they send, we could go crazy town.
Yeah.
And depending how many they don't send,
we could actually not end up taking it at all.
Because one of our old Quadros died at some point.
So we don't have enough Quadros to run the old machine.
Okay.
So it depends on Nvidia support,
whether we'll be able to have it there or not.
Yeah.
So yeah, main stage.
This time we're putting a cage around the case toss.
Cause that was super dangerous.
Yep.
Are you gonna take part in the key swap competition?
Key swap?
Keyboard key swap competition.
Oh wow.
There's a real change to how we're running it this year.
It's gonna be a lot more like prize and like event focused.
I heard about that.
I don't think I'll win, honestly.
I usually do keyboard key swaps
when I'm like watching a show and I do it really slowly.
We're gonna have CPU shuffleboard.
I'm definitely doing that too.
CPU shuffleboard.
I wanna do like all these things.
Heat sync install race.
We're gonna probably have our multi-headed VR set up there.
Just some, oh, a CPU delidding booth.
We're hoping to find a retailer
who will like actually allow you to buy a CPU there.
That's yeah.
Test it.
Yeah.
I suggested that a while back.
And make sure it still works.
I think that would be super cool.
It'd be super cool.
We're maybe gonna have a LAN there.
Ooh.
A don't be YOC LAN.
So Intel has like a mobile LAN force.
They are apparently considering showing up.
That would be so cool.
Yeah.
So I've met those guys.
I'm sure, well, they might through the show
but I'm sure they don't know me as an attendee
but I've met those guys at PAX for 11 years.
Yeah.
And they're super cool.
Yeah.
I like their stuff.
So there's gonna be lots of stuff there
and we're bringing back some of the just like
stupid carnival games like the bungee run
and the hamster ball race and pedestal jousting.
The bungee run was super fun.
Yeah.
BS mods is gonna have a booth.
I don't remember what they're gonna be doing with people
but last year they did a tubing bend, right?
Yeah.
Hardline, hardline.
Hardline, hardline sort of tutorial thing.
So it's gonna be great.
And vinyl.
It's gonna be great.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
I'm really excited.
Based on how good it was last year
plus all the improvements that have been talked about.
I think it's gonna be really good.
Oh, apparently the PIA link is dead.
Like did the site crash?
No, I doubt it.
Yeah, I would be pretty surprised.
Oh, Ed sent me a message.
Something about re-enacting something.
Oh, yes.
You want me to do it now?
Oh, how long are you gonna be?
I can do it now if you need.
I can do this photo too.
Oh man.
Yeah, I need to do a photo for my visa application
for going to-
It works, dude.
Yeah, okay.
No, no, the link works you guys.
Did we copy the wrong link?
Do you wanna throw that in the chat?
Sure.
Okay, yeah, throw it in the chat.
Okay.
In the meantime,
why don't we jump into one of our other topics here?
We haven't even touched like the bottom part of the doc.
They're not mean news topics.
AMD strikes back at the GeForce Partner Program.
This was posted by Num Lock 21 on the forum.
The original article here is from DigiTimes?
Yeah, DigiTimes.
Apparently the slash pages part was not included
in the link that was pasted.
Oh.
So now it's there and everything's pretty good.
Sorry guys, we're working on it.
Do you have a switch?
Did you get Kirby?
Yeah.
Oh, nice.
Do you have a switch?
Well, technically.
I'm not gonna be able to play it for a while,
so like if you wanna borrow it.
Oh, no.
The only switch I have is the like work switch.
So I would just borrow it.
I'm sure you could borrow that.
I meant the game.
You can borrow the game.
Oh, oh, oh.
They want me to go do a thing.
Can you handle GeForce Partner Program?
I know nothing about it, but sure.
Yeah, you know what?
No, hold on, hold on.
Let me find something.
Well, how much more do we need to do?
Oh, oh, dang.
Uber settled with the family of the woman
that was killed by the self-driving car.
What did you think they're gonna do?
I don't know.
I thought it was gonna get dragged out, so to speak.
Oh.
Oh.
You know what?
That's my cue to exit.
Is that the end of the show?
No, no.
I just gotta go do some stuff.
If you wanna go ahead and cover a topic or two on your own,
I'll be right back.
All right.
Sounds good.
Okay.
Oh, man.
Okay, let's talk about that.
Why not?
Let's do it.
Can I bring this up on screen?
I need to go on here.
Hold on, guys.
Operating both laptops is no fun.
Do, do, do.
There we go.
All right.
We're talking about the, that sounded horrible.
What?
The metal grinding.
Oh, yeah, that's how you know it's safe.
Try to only do it once more.
Sorry?
Okay, that wasn't actually that bad.
All right.
Uber reached a settlement with the daughter and husband
of Elaine Herzberg, who died after being hit
by a self-driving Uber vehicle in Temp, Arizona.
The settlement presumably includes a cash payment,
but no details were provided by either Uber
or the family's attorney.
Also, since last week, people in Temp have uploaded videos
of which we can watch, but doing this on his thing
is not great.
So, okay, I think what they're doing is they're showing,
you guys can't see it.
It doesn't work.
Way to go, Linus.
Also, he sounds like he's dying.
Don't worry about that.
He's completely fine.
I know that he's fine.
I know what's happening over there.
I can't show you guys, but basically, in Uber's footage,
it was super, super dark, and it was really hard
to see anything, and people are showing
that driving on that street at that time of day,
it's actually not that dark, which goes pretty counter
to them saying like, oh, well,
the self-driving thing couldn't see very well.
It's actually pretty well illuminated.
And in some of the pictures, it shows quite a bit
of lights going along the side of the road,
which are not very visible in Uber's footage.
It also gives credence to the belief
that an alert driver could have intervened
because they would have been able to see much more easily,
and it makes sense because headlight illuminates farther
than two seconds ahead of a vehicle,
so it should have been able to stop.
So that was the Uber topic.
Left you to deal with the fallout of that.
You showed up like right at the end of the Uber topic,
so we're good to move on to the next one.
Also, that door opening and closing during land show
should never be a thing.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's terrible.
Oh, wow.
All the metal grinding noises going into the mic.
Sorry, everyone.
We apologize.
We're really sorry.
Hopefully this helps your ears, too.
Let's have a little bit.
Okay, AMD strikes back.
Yeah, we can talk about it.
It's kind of boring, though.
AMD strikes back.
Taiwan's Asus Tech, Gigabyte, and MSI are caught
in a dilemma over the development and shipment
of new gaming models, as they are DPP members
but also have long-term partnerships with AMD.
Industry sources said that the three Taiwanese brands
have reportedly adjusted
their new product development roadmaps,
and they may also launch new gaming brands
based on AMD's GPUs.
I mean, I don't see that being very effective.
Like, can you imagine?
Like, what's Asus' brand gonna be?
Like, G-r-public of r-a-m-e-r-s?
You know, Gigabyte, AORU, AOR Mini?
I'm sure their branding departments can come up
with something pretty good.
But MSI's branding is literally gaming.
Yeah.
Like, that's what they call it.
It's just, like, G-t-x-10-a-d-t-i gaming.
Can they just call it MSI AMD gaming?
I doubt it.
I sincerely doubt it.
This whole thing just smells so bad.
And you know what's really interesting?
You can always tell when NVIDIA is in, like,
full-on damage control mode,
because they say nothing.
I was gonna say, they don't damage control.
They just don't do anything.
Yep.
And you know what?
It's not a bad strategy, because it's gonna work.
People are-
Because it'll go away faster.
We're gonna get bored of talking about it.
We already are.
You guys are gonna get bored of hearing about it.
Because there's no proper news.
There's no news.
The other side is upset.
Yep.
If they said anything, then that would be newsworthy,
and we'd have to talk about it again,
and it would actually create a whole new news cycle
of people being mad at NVIDIA.
But as it is, NVIDIA can just kind of sit there quietly,
and wait for this to go away,
and I think they're gonna get away with it.
If everything that's been said about this whole program
is actually true, then that will be a problem.
SpaceX is apparently close
to becoming an internet service provider.
So the original article here is from The Verge,
and this was posted by Monkey Biz-
This isn't new news.
Over on the forum.
This is apparently not new news.
It's okay, I know it too.
It's fine.
We're just gonna keep talking about it anyways.
It's still interesting, and it's coming closer.
And there's been new information that's come out, but like-
So it's satellite internet,
which is not gonna be the fastest thing ever,
but right now is extraordinarily expensive.
And I guess there's a lot of room for improvement
in that particular industry.
And if your whole deal is that you launch things into space,
then getting into the satellite communications business
is probably not that much of a stretch.
So earlier this year, they launched the first two
of their planned 12,000 satellite constellation.
The company is starting out with a 4,425 satellite array,
and the FCC is requiring SpaceX to launch
at least half of them within the next six years.
So SpaceX hopes that Starlink
will become a big revenue generator
that can help offset the R&D and operations costs
for the rocket company.
SpaceX expects more than 40 million subscribers
for Starlink by 2025,
which would be roughly $30 billion in revenue.
So-
Strop hole for what?
Sure.
Oh, right.
We've got to go back to the straw pool results.
Oh.
We never did.
Oh, good call, Twitch chat.
Have you actually used AR?
62% of you say no.
Straight up no.
Not even tried it once.
Straight up no.
28% of you say tried it once.
It's either lame or not ready yet.
So essentially 90% of people.
So literally 2% of an audience
that is hardly, no offense, hardly representative
of the general mainstream population.
Not normies.
Use it consistently.
Here's what, what, okay.
Like I get that early on in any technology,
it's kind of like land grab
and it's a land grab for like mine share.
Here's the most confusing one.
Why is Apple involved in this?
Yeah.
That's usually their deal,
is to wait until all the really like crappy stuff.
But they've been acting weird for a long time.
Ever since Steve Jobs has been gone,
they've been acting really weird.
Okay, well, yeah.
So like the thing is, someone could say like,
oh, but Steve Jobs pushed new things too in specific realms.
And yeah, you're right.
But his first version would also be awesome.
I mean, yes and no.
I mean, the iPhone didn't have copy paste.
No, but it was pretty sick for its time.
Yes, yes, it was pretty.
The original iPad was kind of big and brick-like.
It was thick and battery life was terrible.
But it was pretty sick for its time.
Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
So AR though, like actually just not very sick for its time
and apparently most of you are pretty much
on the same page as us.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Like there's a difference in the feel.
And it's not even just the percentages
that tell the story here.
The use it consistently category is 35 people.
Like, and you look at the millions of dollars
being invested into this for, I'm sorry,
how many actual like bodies that are using it?
I don't know, man.
And I think in like 10 years,
and I'm not saying that's like the beginning
of it being awesome.
I'm just saying in 10 years in general.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's gonna take that long.
This isn't a prediction of anything just in 10 years.
I suspect it will be pretty commonplace.
Okay, this is terrible.
So this was posted by XRQN on the forum.
The original article here is from XDA developers.
LG is apparently seeking feedback on display notches.
Okay, LG, here's some feedback.
No, no, we are so close.
Like we are actually not that far away
from being able to put these elements
under the display anyway.
You know, have the courage to not, to not.
Isn't it weird that we've gone from like Apple products
are really nice but over expensive and they can't game
so the PC people are like,
why are you wasting your money on that?
It can't play games anyways.
To everyone's trying to copy Apple
even when it's not working.
Like Apple used to copy everyone else
and generally like do it with really nice build quality.
Now it's everyone copies Apple
even though people don't like it.
I don't know.
Apparently some people actually like the notch.
Why?
I don't know, maybe they never watch movies
or they don't want anything in their notification bar.
I like, I just don't get it.
I can't even tell when my VPN is connected or not
because there's not enough room.
Whereas on the iPhone 8, I can tell.
And like my notification bar is maxed basically all the time
and I actually look at it.
Exactly.
Because like there's certain icons
that are probably important things that I need to check
and other icons that aren't as important.
I don't know.
I think we're good.
This is our last big topic of the day.
This was posted by Siffin on the forum.
The original article here is from NPR.
Really?
Oh boy.
Restricted by YouTube,
gun enthusiasts are taking their videos to Pornhub.
Wow.
Wow.
All right, so that's pretty interesting
because guns are sort of a huge, huge vertical on YouTube.
So starting next month,
YouTube is gonna be banning certain subjects
in the firearms category,
prompting some channels to upload their videos
to the Canadian porn site Pornhub instead.
Banned subjects include selling firearms.
Just be really gentle when you close that.
The noise is like AIDS on the mic.
Yeah, that's good.
Good, just leave it.
Perfect, yep.
Selling firearms or certain firearms accessories
through direct sales
or linking to sites that sell these items.
Now that second part, huge like deal breaker.
Yeah, they won't be able to take sponsorships
from gun sites or gun companies.
And if you take their ad revenue completely away,
and take their sponsorship completely away.
What's left?
And the thing is that one of the reasons
that this is happening is that this type of content
is not particularly advertiser friendly in the first place.
So it's not like these guys have other advertisers
banging down their doors.
And while they will maybe find advertisers,
whether they're advertisers that are edgy
and more mainstream publications won't touch them,
or whether they just don't really care,
what it will affect too is the rates
that they'll have to pay
because if there's less competition for sponsorships
or advertisements on these particular channels,
then the rates inherently drop.
Any instructions on manufacturing a firearm ammunition,
high capacity mag, homemade silencer suppressor.
Okay, well that probably shouldn't be a thing.
Or certain firearms accessories.
What if it's legal?
That's the issue, right?
To my knowledge, suppressors are not either in Canada
or the States. No, not here.
They're in States, in some places.
In the States, you can get suppressors?
In some places.
Why?
Why not?
That's the question.
I'm not necessarily arguing back and forth.
It can be.
No, there is no reason for civilian to need a suppressor.
There is actually.
I mean, there's medical reasons it's easier on your ears.
I'm not arguing for either side.
I'm just saying there is arguments
for why you might want one.
Okay.
Do you know how much that entire band of earplugs cost?
It's like $4.
Possibly not enough depending on what there is
and what you're firing.
You'd probably need over ear protection or both.
In some cases.
You could do both.
Do you know how much that over ear protection up there cost?
I'm not arguing.
I'm stating what it is.
They're also banning.
Okay, so the accessories include those that enable a firearm
to simulate automatic fire or convert a firearm
to automatic fire and high capacity mags.
Instructions for how to convert a firearm to automatic.
Okay, those are duplicated.
So in range TV, which has 144,000 subscribers on YouTube
has chosen to publish videos on Pornhub
and a search on the site yields five videos
currently uploaded by in range TV.
Wow.
Do you need something else?
Oh, okay.
What?
Okay.
All right.
Well, that's pretty much it for the land show today.
Thank you very much for watching.
We'll see you again next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Okay, bye.
Hold on, we're still rolling the outro.
It says brush off your dirty right sleeve, please.
Okay, there you go.
Just in time for the show to be completely over.
Boop.
Boop.
Boop, boop.
My favorite part is I didn't even see it.