I'm comfortable with my nails.
Alright guys, welcome to the WAN show.
We've got a bit of a, uh, wait, what?
Hahaha.
What?
Is it my hair?
Yes, no.
Okay, well welcome to the WAN show guys.
We have a fantastic show for you today.
We're down in Seattle for PAX Prime
and we're streaming out of a pedophile's basement.
So, um, you know it makes us feel pretty uncomfortable
but the fact that we're not young
is really encouraging because
I mean, my understanding
of the whole pedophile thing
is that it has to do with
animals and sock puppets.
And, uh, we don't own
any animals or sock puppets because
we are adults.
I have animals.
And sock puppets.
Okay, so this is a problem for me.
Anyway, but seriously you guys, TimmyTechTV
so youtube.com slash TimmyTechTV
Timmy come on over here.
Not a pedophile.
I'll go the way B-roll went.
Alright, I can come back here.
Can you put that on your business cards?
Definitely not a pedophile.
Definitely not a pedophile.
You know what's funny is Edzel, or
Diesel, so Edzel has revealed
his true name, what am I?
Edzel? Yeah, so Edzel
has revealed his true name on Twitter
so if you want to follow Edzel on Twitter
it's at Edzel Iago.
Um, the business card he handed me
when he came for his first
day of internship actually said
definitely not a serial killer on the back
and I was like, so one murder?
Two?
At what point do you cross over to serial killer?
I don't know. Anyway, so
Tim has generously
allowed us to stay here
saving me probably around $3,000
on this trip, so
all I gave him was a PAX Prime
pass, so you know, hey
I think it worked out great for everyone.
Especially me.
So anyway, do you want to just pimp your channel
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hopefully other people don't.
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we've got some great topics for you today.
The Star Citizen requirements
look freaking awesome. So good.
Like, this is, we haven't seen this since
I don't know, like a title. Crisis 1
I think. Where they basically came
out and said, nothing will run this.
So calm down. It's fairly consistent.
When you went to go buy a new game, you'd flip it over
and read the system requirements because you had to.
Nvidia may release a GTX
790, we don't know. More rumors.
More rumors. Battlefield
4 is apparently going to run at 720p
on PS4. Whoa.
Big surprise. So you can run it in the 720
penis. Whoa.
Enjoy all that 720 penis.
Enjoy all that 720 penis.
I mean, those console guys, they eat it up.
That 720 penis.
We're running 1080p plus penises?
Yeah, 1080p plus
penis.
No, there's no penis
in it after that point.
Why? Why are you going to bring penises
into everything? So SSD
overclocking could be a thing on
upcoming Intel SSDs.
Can we just jump into that one right away?
No, we're not doing that right away.
Because first, we are going to run
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That's actually the
oh, okay. Well, that's not necessarily
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topic that Slick really wants to get into
for some reason. And I'm not
really quite sure why. So I'm going to have to scroll
all the way down because apparently
he put the, ah yes, here we go.
So this was posted on the Linus Tech Tips forum.
I'm going to let you introduce it since apparently
this is, you have got to be kidding
me. This was working before. So
yeah, we're going to go ahead and we're going to unplug
that and then plug that
back in. And we're going to hope that this
works.
Because, so
far, so far
things have gone not too badly today.
Well actually, they've gone
terribly today. In fact, that could be a whole
land show. Not for me, things have gone well today.
In and of itself, yeah. Between your
audio issues and
our battery for that camera that ended
up not working with it at all in spite of
the fact that they're socket
compatible. Just tweet the
articles. Okay, because
this here
should work right now. This was
working like a minute ago.
So, you know what,
if I do this
there is a chance that it will just brick the whole thing.
So we're going to tweet the articles guys.
So if you're following on, if you're following
me on at Linus Tech
on Twitter, Intel CPUs
can overclock but so can their
SSDs. So this was submitted
on the forum. Here we go. Tweeting.
By
Guas5373
so the original article is from
TechPowerUp and
basically I think this is the most
insane thing ever. So it could soon become
possible to overclock the controller
and NAND flash on your SSD if
Intel has its way. The company is set
to demonstrate how to overclock Intel
branded SSDs using its extreme tuning
utility at IDF 2013.
Which is going to be in September.
Okay.
So basically what they're saying
is it's going to be just like any other overclocking
where you're going to get a performance benefit
but there will also be
potentially
reliability issues as well.
Stability. Stability issues.
So 560 megabytes per second
seems to be the practical maximum bandwidth say to
6 gigabit per second SSDs have been able
to achieve. It can always be handy getting your
SSD a few dozen more megabytes per second sequential
speed at the expense of stability. That's insane.
But you run 8 SSDs.
I run 8 SSDs. That's already suicide.
Why do you care? I run 8 SSDs
in RAID 0 that haven't been
overclocked to be
unstable. So while they could die
and while I am
multiplying the chances
of data failure by
well a lot.
It's a ton.
Okay, because the way it works is
you actually have to multiply
the chance of failure. Because you're adding the failure rate every time.
Yes. But
hold on a second because
at least those SSDs are known good.
At least they're stable.
So if someone takes 2 and overclocks
them you think that's insane. But if someone takes 8
and doesn't overclock them you don't think that's insane.
Yeah, because when you overclock
when you overclock them they're running
outside of spec. We already know
that on a CPU even if
you, okay, CPU
perfect example. So when you
dial in an overclock
you dial it in
and you leave it. Pretty much forever.
Am I right? Okay.
So we already know that
when you dial in your overclock on your SSD
you're going to do it while there's no critical
data on it. Correct?
In this situation if you're overclock
SSDs you're not going to put critical data on it.
So your concept is you would put
no, so you would just take the risk
that your OS would just break.
And because, okay, look, look.
CPUs, the max overclock that can achieve
What critical data do you carry on your SSDs?
Exactly. I have a 16 terabyte server.
Most people have storage drives.
Okay.
If they're going to run RAID 0 SSDs
Hold on. They probably have storage drives. Save games
Do you have all your save games
mapped somewhere else? Yes.
Is average consumer
able to do that? If they're running a storage drive
that's the easiest thing on the planet. Let's even say
not necessarily. Some games map
your save, like, freaking all over the place.
It is a nightmare.
Steam doesn't remap most of them. No, it doesn't.
They usually go to documents. Usually.
Almost always. Except when they don't.
Almost always. Except when you go play that old
retro game that you really wanted to play
and it goes and puts it in the program files
folder. Which is in the steam docs.
And then your SSD overclock
becomes unstable and you lose it and now you have
to play that old game that you wanted to play
over again just to get to the point
where you left off.
I think it's insane.
You don't mess around with storage.
I install old games on my storage
drives anyways.
That's not the point.
The average overclocker, look at
the level to which overclocking has been dumbed
down at this point. You press the button and it
overclocks your computer. Just because
someone is comfortable overclocking
doesn't mean they should be overclocking
their storage. I don't think everyone should do this.
I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't think
anyone should do this. Would you overclock your
SATA controller?
I think it would be fun. I think it would be interesting.
It would be interesting to just
because, ok, remember
you have worked with some crazy
errors. Like that stream machine
ok, that's
the kind of bullshit
that happens when you have
unstable
storage. But the people that are overclocking
every single thing inside their entire computer
it will be impossible to diagnose anything.
Because their RAM will be overclocked
their CPU will be overclocked, their SSD will be overclocked
and you'll never know where the error came from. But those are the people
that don't care and want to tinker with
their computers and are expecting problems. They want their
computer to be broken, basically. They're expecting
problems. I wouldn't overclock storage
on anything that wasn't
no, I just wouldn't do it. It's insane.
I find this very surprising
from the man that runs 8 SSDs.
8 stable SSDs that
work. I don't
think it's going to throw them that unstable.
Ok, you know what? Speaking of
unstable, Star Citizen hardware
requirements separate the men from the
boys. Why is this unstable?
It's not unstable. How is that a segway?
Because I don't want to talk about that anymore.
I should bring Josh in here.
He doesn't want to talk about something. He just chooses the
subject.
Alright, I'm tweeting this out.
If I remember
quickly, it's like 8 gigs of system RAM.
So this was posted on the forum by
I gotta look this up.
Lucio Se. So anyway,
directly translated from Google
Translate. This is awesome. So
get this, guys. 8 gigs of RAM and
64-bit are a minimum.
Buh-bye 32-bit.
Buh-bye. And you know what? Good riddance too.
Because I don't see any reason
why the game should be designed
to only have to use enough memory
so that it can run on 32-bit. You know what? No. Forget it.
64-bit. We've had
three iterations of Windows OSes
and if we want to talk OSes that aren't
Windows, it's been going on longer than that.
That are 64-bit
and the processors have been around.
Any processor that's capable of running
64-bit. So if you're one of those people
who bought Windows 7
32-bit,
like, sorry, dude.
I was at a booth today.
This won't take long. I was at a booth today
and I did my little intro explaining how we're hardware
viewers trying to get into the game stuff.
And he's like, oh, you'll love this.
We made our game so we can work on everything.
I was like, uh...
Did you slap him?
I was like, uh,
we'll just talk about the game.
So anyway, 8 gigs of RAM minimum.
Now get this.
For optimal settings, you'll need a high-end PC
with the technology in 1.5 years.
Love it. We haven't seen this
since Crysis, where they basically
came out, or Far Cry.
I mean, Far Cry 1 was a great example
of this. If you had a 9800 Pro
or X1800 XT
or whatever was the high-end card at the time,
Far Cry was like, yeah,
we don't care. Yeah, we don't care.
Because, whatever.
Because we don't care. That's awesome.
I love it. Because
how much fun is it, because
you know what, the temptation...
Here, something you would never have the
discipline to do would be to play through
a game at low details
and then go back and experience it
again two years later with
everything maxed. If you could max it now,
you'd max it now. I think it
improves replayability to have
the game continue to look better.
I've done that. I've done it?
I've absolutely done it.
I mean, I couldn't run Half-Life 2
at max settings when I first played it.
I can't remember what game, but I knew I've done it
at least once. So I think
it's outstanding. So they're saying
something along... Okay, so
it'll run fluently with maybe a future
GTX 880 or 890
and they're saying something like a GTX
770 would be
expected to be adequate for only medium
settings. So a last generation
top-tier card, like a 680, which is about
equivalent, medium.
Go
Chris Roberts. You're awesome, man.
That's so cool. You and everything
that happens that's anything
to do with you and all that.
Alright, so our
next article, we're trying to burn through these
because Slick's gotta get to the BYOC
and I gotta drive him there, so... He's gonna give me
to the last 10 minutes. Yeah. Wait, what?
They kick you out after? At 12, yeah.
It's not all night? No.
Oh, I assumed that it was
like, you just couldn't get in and out.
It's a big convention center. They can't have people overnight.
Oh, well, that's unfortunate.
I'm sorry. It's okay.
Okay, so I'm tweeting
this article. I totally
misunderstood how that worked. I thought we were gonna
like, squeeze you under the
door Indiana Jones style and
that was gonna go really well.
So, The Verge
published an article
Google Blocks Chromecast App that lets
you stream your own videos and there's an update
now. I'll let you cover this one because you...
So basically, everyone freaked out
because Google Chrome
or not Google Chrome, Chromecast was not
allowing people to stream their own local content.
Let's see if he can keep his train of thought if I do this the whole time.
It was absolutely ridiculous.
And then Google comes out and is like,
actually, it's just not working yet.
So we're blocking it because it's super buggy
but it'll be available later.
Which is
kinda like...
It goes to show
you like, here's
the problem with the way that the media
works right now. And you know what? We're as guilty
of it as I think almost anyone
out there. We've done it with at least one or two things.
We've done it with at least one or two things and the problem
is that there's not
many actual sources of information
because so much of it
is coming from social
or coming from
a few sort of
I don't know, are they trustworthy?
Are they not? There's not much actual
investigative journalism being done
these days, but there's an awful
lot of content
gatherers. So sites like
Reddit are great for
spreading things, but they don't really generate
much. And that's not to say Reddit doesn't
generate anything, but again, it's user
generated. So the problem is that
when something gets reported
often very little fact checking is
done and it just goes
everywhere.
So everyone thought this was a big thing and they're all
trying to stop you from playing your local content
blah blah blah blah blah and in the end
it's just like, no, it was buggy so they disabled it so you
wouldn't screw things up.
It's like, okay.
It's not really a problem.
Kind of sucks for now, but like
it's Google, they'll fix it. I'm not too
worried.
With that said, this
could be the most interesting thing I've
seen out of Google
in a while.
I mean this is the kind of thing that really takes
the, I'm holding up an iPhone so this is a bad
example, but this is one of those things that really
takes the phone experience and
really enhances it in a way that
five years, good job,
five years from now people won't even
think about that this was
never an option. Oh, the new patent.
Yes. This is pretty cool. Their new patent
allows you to change security
settings for your phone
based on your location.
So it's taking that location data
and allowing your phone to
adapt to where you are.
So for example,
you could be at home
and instead of requiring a passcode
you could just swipe it. So like here's
a scenario. My iPhone 4 I have
set up to wipe the phone if
more than five failed attempts are entered in it.
My baby
picks up my iPhone 4. I'm getting the nod
from Tim over there because yeah, he's
got kids, he knows. So my baby
will pick it up and start mashing at it.
He knows where the lock button is. He knows what's up.
And he's like, you know, mashing at it
and I'm like, I run over and I'm like, no
because I haven't backed it up in a few days. Please
don't do that.
Whereas this would allow it
if I'm not out and about, he could just swipe it
open. But I could still have the security
if I leave my phone on the sky train or something
along those lines. And I mean
there's other possibilities here too. Like what if
I could say, allow applications
to access my location
data as long as I'm not
10 kilometers from home.
So I could have my tweets
track my location as long
as I'm not somewhere where I don't want people to know about.
Which is, that's a thing.
That's a really big thing. Or
like geotagging photos. You know what?
Don't tag the stuff that's at home.
Tag the stuff when I'm like
outside of excellence. I mean, how cool
is that? Even just your like small little
area like where you go shopping and home and that kind of
stuff like that could, don't geotag that.
But then once you're out in the city, you're out wherever.
Like, I'm gonna sound
like a noob here, but do you remember when
I caused some trouble for myself
by tweeting
a photo through a third party
app and not Twitter that I had taken
on my phone and it still had
all of the metadata on it, including the
exact coordinates of where I took it.
I didn't realize
that that was just
gonna be there and the app
wouldn't automatically pull it out if I told it
my privacy settings, I don't want my location
shown, didn't even think about it.
But stuff like this you shouldn't have to
think about. Will my mother think of that?
No. She's gonna, no one
is even gonna tell her. Most, most
mass majority of people don't know that pictures
can store location data.
Mass amount of people. So this
could be the solution. I mean, I kinda
hate that Google's patenting it
or I hope that they license it for
you know, a penny or less than a penny
or something like that. I really hope that this is something that
becomes completely
widespread, but either way
it's a really cool idea
and I'm really happy about it.
Um, let's
talk Bethesda. Did you go to their booth today?
I have been avoiding
saying to get work done. Okay, fair enough.
I will be going though.
Okay, you're gonna cover that booth, right?
Yeah, cause I mean
So here, let's talk about this.
Bethesda is pushing to drop
Xbox Live gold fee
for Elder Scrolls Online players.
If we're gonna preface this, it won't happen.
It's not gonna happen. Other companies have
tried it. It didn't work for them. It's not gonna
work for Bethesda. But the idea is
that they're saying it doesn't have to go
through their servers at all, apparently.
Like Microsoft servers, that is.
So what they're claiming is that if it doesn't have to use
any of that, it should be free for the players and they don't want
to, they don't want to give them any of the gold
services. They don't want any of the gold
services to be working. They don't want them to
have access to market, or
whatever. I don't know what the actual new gold services
are, but they want it to be able to bypass that
completely and have it all connect directly
to their own servers. I
don't think it's gonna happen.
I can't remember what the other company that
tried to do it was, but they've already told
Bethesda. They're like, yeah, it didn't work
for us because if they did it for us, they'd have to do it for everyone.
And it probably won't work for you
because if they did it for you, they'd have to do it for everyone.
And they really would.
I mean, it's
one of those things where, you know, Bethesda
however much
weight they might feel like they have
to pull around. You know,
if they did it for Bethesda,
Valve's gonna be like, yeah, yo,
what's up.
Blizzard's gonna be like, yo.
And all of a sudden,
you know, Activision, Blizzard
Activision, right, so like everyone
is gonna, you know, Call of Duty's not
gonna require it, and Diablo 3's
not gonna require it. And all of a sudden, what's gonna be the
benefit of an Xbox Live gold membership? Nothing.
Because you'll be able to play multiplayer
for everything. And you know what, the fact of the matter is
especially with anything that's a PC port
these developers are gonna have their own
server infrastructure anyway.
Just to play, actually no, I
do agree with this.
With console players, like, one big thing
is Steam, you can add games to it.
So people can see your Steam presence in other games
like playing them that aren't even in Steam. So I've added
Starcraft 2 to my Steam. So when I go in Starcraft 2
Xbox Live subscriptions
you can see people in multiple
games and talk with them that way.
If you didn't have an Xbox Live subscription
you wouldn't be able to do that. So if they're bypassing
Xbox servers, you wouldn't be able to do that.
Okay.
Uh, so?
That's just
that's a value that it has.
It's a value that it has, but it's a value
that, I mean, I wish, I wish
that, I wish that
Xbox was a more open platform like PC
so someone could just come along and build
XFire or
or a Steam type of
But it's a console, so it won't happen.
But it's a console, so it won't happen. So all of this is just
None of this will happen.
None of it will happen, but
you know, they tried. This was posted
on the Linus Tech Tips forum by
TopWarGamer, so
thank you very much for posting that.
Although, I'd prefer if you
fleshed it out a little bit more next time, man.
It's like a one-liner.
I guess it could technically
we don't know, it hasn't happened yet, but like
No, it's not gonna happen.
I will bet money. Okay, so
Yeah, how much money should we bet?
I don't know. I'll pony up five bucks.
Is this legal?
Ooh, I don't know. Okay, moving right along.
Speaking of my son playing around with
my cell phone, one in ten
five-year-olds
apparently has a mobile
phone. Will your five-year-old
get a mobile phone? No.
But you know what? The reality
of it is, things are changing
so much and so quickly
that I can
say that now, but for all I
know, maybe you will.
I don't know. But at the same, like, I think it would be
more, I read
into this article and one big thing
is that a lot of them were using
the phone and the data on the phone more than
their parents were. Okay. If
I was giving a phone to a five-year-old
I would want to give, like, a flip
phone. So they
can have contact.
Okay,
hold on. Why don't we, why don't we, why don't we
take a step back.
So, so the, hold on,
so the whole, the whole thing here, I'm going to tweet this out so you guys
can follow along with us here because I can't
show you things on my screen because
we can never have a wan show that doesn't have
any issues because that's how
we roll, suckas.
That's how we roll, suckas. So this is posted
by ETRJ on the forum.
That guy keeps changing his image
so I can never recognize him right away.
You know? I think it's been that one for a while.
Yeah, for a little while, but before it was a
different one and I think it was something else.
I actually go by images. Oh, I do too. Yeah,
I can't, I can't remember names but I can
remember faces so that translates.
Alright, so anyway, the whole thing is that
more than one in ten of youngsters spends more
than their mother or father on the phone
so only a quarter
capped their youngsters' contracts while
just 3% said they disabled data on
the phones so they could only be used for making
calls or sending text messages.
So only 3% of these
parents who are buying phones for five-year-olds
so we can sort of agree that they're either
ahead of their time or they're completely insane
one of the two and there's a fine line.
There's a really fine line.
What could a five-year-old need a phone for?
At five years old, what, like are you in
school? You're in kindergarten. You're in kindergarten.
You're in kindergarten at five.
Here, okay, I'm gonna pitch something
as a parent. If I could install
and this actually ties in really well into
the Boyfriend Tracker app, if I could
install an app on their phone
that I could know where they are
and I could get an ETA for when they're gonna be home
from school, I could see them walking
I could see their last location, for example
which is a way that a lot of those apps work
so even if someone were to
you know, kidnap
them and you know
bail on the phone, and you could
I mean, you can train your kids, don't get
in the car with someone or whatever else, but if someone
snags them and you train your kid
yo, you keep that phone on you
you keep it turned on, but you keep
it silent, is that
worth sort of the
risk that they'll make a long distance call to
Timbuktu and you'll pay a few bucks for
Can you even like disable long distance
calling? You probably can. I mean
Android is so customizable.
Would you consider
giving your five-year-old a phone if that's
what it was for? This is the thing I was getting into, is I would
consider it, but see, my thing was the flip phone.
Right, but that wouldn't have any
GPS or anything. But what you just said makes a little bit more
sense, but then you'd have to do stuff like
restricting data limits, doing all that kind of stuff
because for GPS you don't need like anything.
Right. So restricting data limits is like super low
and like full of blood. If I just wanted to know where my kid
is. And like use parental control.
And the thing too though, I mean guys, I'm not talking about
this for 16-year-olds. No. By the time
we're talking about older kids, it's a
different story. One, they can pay for
their own bloody phone if they want one, and
number two, is they
they kind of, they have their
own minds and they have their own
deal at that point. Whereas
if I was looking at it going, okay, well I've got my
phone plan, which is what it is,
an extra SIM might cost me nothing
if I switch over to a family plan,
and I have an old phone lying around,
which by the time my kid's five,
will be four years from now. So like,
he'll be inheriting like NHTC1.
Which will be chipped and scratched
and cracked or whatever else by that point,
but it'll be functional, you know,
um,
if it costs me nothing, what do I care?
On the other hand, are
we teaching our kids to be too dependent
on electronics? Or
are we enabling them to
function in an increasingly electronic
world? You can probably, there's probably
something you can get for Android that blocks all
numbers, and then have like
and then put it on a specific allow
list. Then you can allow like yours
and your wife's. Oh yeah, for sure that exists.
I'm sure, 100%. You can allow like yours
and your wife's and maybe like the kid's
teacher. Right. And then
that's it, and then you can only call and
text those numbers, and then it's super restricted
on data. Lockdown YouTube, lockdown everything.
Lockdown everything, and just have it like the most
lockdown thing ever, so they don't really use it.
I don't know, like I guess, I mean if we
were to talk about it in this kind of a use case
scenario, maybe I don't have a problem with this.
That makes a lot more sense, but I think this article
is insane. I think it's more to do
with, you know. No one's doing that.
Yeah, no one's doing that because 3%
were disabling data, and a quarter
were capping the contracts. So these
are just kids, like little
kids with like smartphones.
Smartphones. And I don't think they have the
discipline at that age to go, oh okay, that's
enough of whatever free running
game, temple run game of the week.
That's not even like,
you can't expect that out of a five foot.
No, you can't at all. Yeah, which is
why people should be using, and like again,
like you said, this isn't a 16 year old thing.
Yes. This is completely different. Totally different.
Totally different thing.
Take that track wrap off, blah blah blah blah blah.
But like, yeah.
You know what, I'm gonna fire up Twitch chat
here, and I'm gonna see what they have to say about it.
Okay, something something, don't buy
$1000 mobile phone for a child
by a bodyguard instead.
Well, okay, but remember, what we were
talking about was like, more like them inheriting
your old phone. The old throwaway phones or whatever.
Someone says, what's the point of having
a phone when most of the features are disabled?
You must be like
2014, because
as someone who was
alive and using phones,
when the only functionality they had
was to be a phone,
they're still useful.
They're just not toys.
They're just tools. But that's the point
is we would be wanting to give the little one
a tool, not a toy. Yes.
So it is a completely different thing. Someone says
next topic. You know what, we will get to the
next topic. In fact, we are
ready for the next topic right now.
So I'm trying to do some
Guys, I don't know if we're going to be able to do
Twitter blitz today because of the screen
sharing stuff, although maybe we can.
So why don't we schedule a
Twitter blitz for after this next topic.
We're actually doing pretty good burning
through topics here. So
the Boyfriend Tracker
app gets nixed from Google
Play. So this was mostly your topic
so why don't you cover this. I'm going to tweet it out right now.
I can't remember exactly where it was the worst, but
I believe it was Brazil.
I think they got like 50,000 downloads
in two months or something. Yeah, they're doing
really good. And it just
kind of got pretty nuts. I don't
know. So the way this app worked was that
the boyfriend couldn't tell it was
on the phone.
So I think you only need temporary access
to the phone. So you can install it and then
it runs silently. And you can access it
from another phone. I've kind of got a problem with any
app that runs silently on my phone like that.
If it doesn't even put an icon
somewhere, that's a big problem.
I'm not happy about that.
Me neither. But I mean honestly
it probably wouldn't have gotten pulled if it was
called the Child Tracker app.
Because I think it was more of a marketing problem.
So
it's always that arms race right? So there was
another app that you could install
that would detect if the
Boyfriend Tracker app was... I mean
is this what we're moving towards though?
I guess.
Would you allow
a girlfriend
to install a Boyfriend Tracker
app on your phone if you knew it was there?
See... Guys, hit me on the
Twitch chat. Actually, Twitter blitz.
Twitter blitz. Would you allow your significant
other with your permission
to GPS track you?
We're talking Harry Potter style.
The clock showing where all the Weasleys
are. Would you allow it?
No, because of respect issues.
Why? Because I feel like that's not
respectful. But you have nothing to hide.
Yeah. But how can you not
respect me enough to believe that I won't do anything?
Would you say
you know what? If she
completely and honestly came up to me and was like
I want to just... I'm worried
you're going into shady parts
of Surrey lately.
I want to make sure you don't get jumped. I'll be like
I'm fine.
But if she insists, I'll be like okay whatever.
But if it's more like I don't trust
you blah blah blah. I'm going to be like yeah, no.
Okay. So if it's a safety
thing, you accept. So basically
If she lies to me and says it's a safety
thing, then she'll be able to get it on my phone.
So basically like the Patriot Act is
okay with you. No. But
hold on, because that's pretty much what it is.
It's blowing it way out of proportion.
Fear tactics. It's blowing it way out of proportion.
It's the same thing. But it's not
for me. It shouldn't matter why. But it's not
for me. Are you okay with someone tracking
where you are regardless of the reason? It's not for me.
I'm doing it so it helps her mind
and it's a person that is not the
government. It's my girl. That's completely
blowing it out of proportion. I'm not
okay at all with the Patriot Act.
But I don't see the difference.
You can't be like, you like fries
therefore you enjoy killing yourself because
fries are bad for you.
Okay, that is not actually
the same thing.
Okay, what about this?
What if she said
she just
I don't like the idea of it.
What if she was like, look, how about
in the next six months can I just
do a spot check on you for a month
and then I'll never ask again? And it would set me at ease.
What if she's just an uneasy
so you just would not accept that.
But if it was for safety
then you'll do it. But if it was like a legitimate
thing for safety then I could actually buy it.
Ladies, if you want to
track him. But right now? No.
Because I don't go anywhere shady.
You go to Surrey. No.
What do you mean no? Yes you do.
You go through? Oh, you don't go to Surrey.
You've been to my house before.
I live in Surrey.
You should permanently
have been sold. You live in a nicer
part of Surrey. That's true.
Alright, so let's
Yeah, let's just not.
Okay, so basically
guys we are going to
wait, what?
Okay, well we're going to align the Twitter window
because apparently that's a thing.
And it's in the way of my
Twitch thing now which is
freaking genius. So let's go ahead
and see if we can get
Oh, man. And my wireless connection to
my little wireless keyboard thing isn't very good
so it keeps glitching out to all balls.
Alright, here we go.
Someone says you're talking kind of loud. I enjoyed the whispering
because it makes slick even. Oh, it's not even talking about
me being sexy. Okay, well you whisper now.
Well, hello everyone.
Hello. How's it going?
Welcome to the Wan Show.
We're going to get deep into these topics tonight.
Mmm.
Have you heard of performance issues on GTX
760? Sorry, that's off topic.
No, unless I'm able to turn it on
or off.
That's a good point. What if she said,
look, I want to know where you are
but you can manually turn it off
whenever you want and it will show your last location.
I'll be fine with that because then if I did get into
a sketchy situation, I'd just be like, boop.
Okay, so you're okay
with her, but what if she was like, look, I'd like you
to keep it on for the most part.
But turn it off if you ever
want it off. No, because at that point
Because then you'd have to justify why you turned it off.
I'm in a sketchy situation.
Or, I'm not in a sketchy situation.
Okay.
Okay. No, I wouldn't if, yeah.
Okay. Jacob says, wouldn't mind allowing it
if she asked, but I wouldn't propose it.
When someone asked, I'd ask why.
She even mentions cheating. I'm gone.
Says David Lee.
No, not at all. I should be able to
live my own life. Hashtag killed my wife.
Okay.
Edward says, depends
if I can track her too. Do you care
if you can track, if she says, look, let's
track each other.
Let's join our souls
together so that
we always know where each other are.
I just...
It's funny because
oh, this is going to sound bad, but you were
small enough that it like
felt right.
I'm sorry.
It felt so wrong, but it felt so right.
Oh dear god.
So if she says, you can track her too.
It doesn't make a difference. It doesn't make a difference to you.
Okay. And I would put her on the same thing.
Like if you're ever going somewhere sketchy, turn it on.
If you're not somewhere sketchy, leave it on. Nick figures it's okay
if it's both ways. Jason says
no, because that's, that means she doesn't
trust me and doesn't respect my privacy.
Yeah, I would. By the way
ladies, I'm available. Says Kull.
By the way ladies. The one thing I
think is you can do it as like a silent
emergency thing. So if you turn it on
and she starts getting GPS notifications from your phone
she knows something's wrong. Right. That makes
a lot of sense. Other than that, no. Someone
says I'd never let an imaginary person track
my movements. Wow. Can I get a
hashtag forever alone over there?
Seriously, wow.
Geez.
Only if she would keep a record
so that I didn't have to write in my journal.
Okay, I think we're going to
move on to our next topic here.
So uh,
EA catches flak over plants
and zombies. This was actually submitted
via Twitter by
Joseph Chang. So I'm going to go ahead
and tweet out a tweet. I guess I could just
retweet it. Right, lol.
Your account may not be allowed to perform this action.
Are you freaking kidding me? What?
Come on, Twitter. Don't let me down.
I've had a hard enough day already. We're going to
tweet the URL to a tweet. My tweet
was posted. So anyway,
why don't you talk about this
while I set up our...
So the reviews for Plants vs. Zombies
on mobile. I believe this was the Google Play
Store. Yeah. So the Google Play Store
reviews for Plants vs. Zombies are horrible.
And if you're wondering why, it's because
you have to buy the plants.
And I can't remember exactly. I don't have the
laptop in front of me. I think it was something like, by the time
you buy a few plants, it's like $20.
I think it was like $3 for the sunflower plant,
which is pretty much required to play the game.
Come on, EA.
Did you not make enough money from
Plants vs. Zombies? Was it not enough
of a blatant cash-in to do Plants vs. Zombies 2?
They have it at. Have you checked
out the packs? Does it look different?
It does. There's more
units and stuff.
One thing that I saw was the
sunflower thing looked like it had
a sunbeam thing, which is
Well, we're just talking pay-to-win.
Like, honestly.
You know, as evil as it is,
I think Candy Crush Saga
probably did it best, where you
can play the game
no matter what, the whole
game, but if you want to get through
faster, have you played Candy Crush?
No. Okay, so there's a timer
on how often you can
get new lives.
So you get five at a time, and it peaks
there, and then you gotta wait 20 minutes
or whatever for a new life, and
you can share, you can buy more
or you can gift them to each other
on Facebook and stuff, and
that doesn't cost anything, so it
spreads the game, which is brilliant.
It gets people to pay, to
play faster, because they're enjoying it, they're addicted
to it, which is brilliant, and
you can have the entire game experience
But it's not really needed. Because it's
not needed. I'm surprisingly okay with that.
Yeah, I'm down. I'm down.
I mean, someone who is a total
cheap person,
like my wife, who won't
pay any money for it, doesn't have to. We'll play her five games
and then that's it, and that's probably fine.
She'll team up with her co-workers at work, so they can all
gift turns to each other. Do you get, like,
gifted turns? Yeah. So you don't
get them, but you can trade them off? You can do both.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's great.
Yeah, very cool. That's cool. But yeah, okay,
like, this pairs in. I don't know if this,
is this a topic here, where they're saying all
of EA's major titles are going free to play?
Uh, yeah, I think we do have
that topic. We might as well jump in. We might as well
jump in there. Okay, guys, so this was a Linus Tech Tips
forum topic as well, so
it was submitted by QwertyWarrior,
which is basically just a, uh,
a smart arse way of saying
keyboard warrior, but I love it.
But only in North America
and other regions where they do not use the
azerty, or qwerty, or whatever
the other things are. Anyway,
so,
Dvorak. Yeah.
So this is on nextpowerup.com
and according to
a recent interview with
their Chief Operations Officer
Peter Moore, epic interview,
moving forward, all
of Electronic Arts' major
franchises would be embracing
a free to play online
business model. Right in the middle of a
fairly normal interview,
just drops the biggest bomb.
And it's funny because
you know what, they were on a roll there.
They were, two weeks I think? Two weeks in
a row, we had, like,
touchy feely, at least two weeks, self
hug, EA moments,
and now they do this, so
he basically said, we don't
ship a game at EA that is offline.
It just doesn't happen.
Gamers...
I'm just quoting. This is a direct quote, man.
Whatever. Anyway, it doesn't happen.
Gamers want to be connected, so their stats
and achievements reflect who they are. Yeah, stats and
achievements, something like that.
So blah blah blah, something something something, etc.
etc. etc.
Moore touted that their existing
free to play efforts with their most successful games,
Battlefield and FIFA, I don't think he quite
understands what free to play means.
Because...
Battlefield, there's, there's Battlefield 3
or whatever. Okay. It's not
Battlefield 3, I don't think. Yeah.
It's like, there's... Okay. So with their
with their most successful, so I guess
they're saying their most successful franchises.
So,
yeah, I don't
necessarily think they're going to take Battlefield 4
or Battlefield 5 and make them free to play,
I guess they're going to look at monetizing
older games this way. I think,
yeah, I think they'll take older platforms and more
more little kind of scaled
down platforms, make them free to play, and this might be a
more major turn for the future as well.
Maybe Battlefield 6 comes out with
fully free to play, who knows. Or something like that.
I mean, I, I gotta wonder
at what point though, because I mean, free to play
has worked so well because it was different.
Whereas, I think
that people will eventually wise up
to that if they bought
the MP5
in Battlefield 4, and they're
buying it again in Battlefield 5 and again in
Battlefield 6, that they've just given EA
$16 for the same gun.
A lot of people, the anger bubble is
growing. The anger bubble is definitely
growing over free to play. Speaking
of anger bubbles, Nintendo 2DS.
So this was a joystick article, I'm
going to tweet this out.
It looks like a kid's
toy, which I guess it is, but
it
doesn't look like a very good kid's toy. I wouldn't buy it for my kid.
My favorite thing was when I was looking
at it, I was like, oh, that doesn't look
very comfortable to hold. No.
And then you see the kid playing, and he's like,
eh, and I'm like, yeah, that
doesn't look comfortable to hold. That doesn't look better.
It, it really looks like
um, like Fisher-Price. And
this, this wedge shape they're going for, you know
Sony tried a wedge
shape for a tablet.
It was a complete and utter failure. They were like,
yeah, well our concept is that we
uh, we want it to feel like holding a book.
If I wanted to feel
like I was holding a book, I'd hold a book.
If I wanted to feel like
I was holding a doorstop, I'd hold
a doorstop. I'd mod a screen into it.
Or two.
And it wouldn't be 3D.
Yeah. My thing is
like, okay, release
a costed down version. Release a
costed down version, that's the 2DS. Okay, that's
fine. That's what a lot of people have been asking for
anyways. Add a freaking hinge.
And I mean, the fact that one of the screens
is smaller, like I understand
the touch screen really is a secondary screen.
But when you look at the, like the, like the bomb
cost for something like a phone, when you actually
like, look at what these screens cost, how
many pennies did they save?
Like, really, pennies. Or even a dollar.
By doing it this way.
And I mean, I understand that a dollar
over 10 million units is now 10 million dollars.
I, I get that. I really do.
But,
okay, so it plays all 3DS and
3DS games, but in 2D.
Which I guess is sort of a step in the right
direction. Yeah. To be honest. It's too
it's too bad that the device itself is 2D.
Anyway.
If it folded, I would actually
be completely on the other side of the team.
Like, if you
So, with that, I'm actually going to segue
into, and I know this is going to be awkward
because this is not Squarespace, so
we, we have gone
through, we have gone through quite
a thing over the last, uh
over the last little bit here.
So we're going desktop.
We're going this. We're going
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for this week.
Which we're actually pretty excited
about. So if you guys haven't heard of Hotspot
Shield, it's basically either
an app or a service, kind of depending
on how you use it. It's definitely a service, but
it's also an app available for mobile platforms
that is a VPN.
So if you're not familiar with what a VPN
is, can you give sort of the networking
explanation of what that means?
It's, it's, you're, you're basically
making it so everyone on the outside
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And is someone else. So basically
the implications for that is, if you don't
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you can use a VPN. If you don't
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I mean, I think one of the strongest
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yeah, I understand this is an American
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right? You know, why
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And you know, I think something like
South Park was one of the things that was most frustrating
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I guess it was Comedy Central. And all
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let's go ahead and move into our next topic
speaking of sponsors for the WAN show, I guess we might
as well, we forgot to wear our headsets
because we barely even remembered
to pack them and we're like running around
everywhere, there we go, Razer Comms
so if you guys haven't tried Razer Comms yet
it's Razer's voice chat
platform that you can
use for chatting with your fellow gamers
it has overlays that don't
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and for all of you guys
when we did our video about
why we were using Razer Comms for
Collins, for all of you guys who were all like
yeah you guys really brought up that
the Skype IP Resolver
thing is a problem, the beta
fixed it, yeah the beta didn't fix it
so we actually have a
huge apology
that we owe to Shaw
our internet provider, we thought
they were throttling us, one of the times
it was an issue with them, which was
just terrible, terrible
luck, terrible timing
which led us to believe, that cemented
the diagnosis for us, so they've
actually only had a problem with our connection
one time
other than that, in spite
of Skype beta being used
the IP Resolver works
we were being DDoSed, so we will
no longer be using Skype internally
at all
Skype is dead to me
so I'm going to be using
I'll be using Razer Comms
again for voice communication
I'll be using Google Talk, I'll be using anything
but Skype at this point, so guys if you're using
Skype, ditch it
it's time, because it is as simple
as anyone knowing your Skype username
they key it in, they see not only
your current IP, but
a history of IPs where you've
signed into Skype, so they're going to have the IP
of your office, your home
your mother's home, wherever you
happen to sign into Skype and use it, so
guys, peace
out Skype, it was nice knowing you
I preferred MSN, thanks
alright, me too, I love those old usernames
everyone's old usernames on MSN
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so good, alright
what do we got here, ah
adblock buying ads, this is fascinating
so this, did you see my notes, oh is it live
again, I feel very strongly about
this
like, super, super
strongly, so I'm tweeting out this thread on the
forum guys, this was posted by Mac
on the forum, thank you very much for submitting
this topic, guys remember you can have
a chance to be featured on the WAN Show, which basically
makes you a celebrity, if you post
in the news section of the Linus Tech Tips forum
so
for a while, I guess
the video, oh, you know what, it might still be set to private
because sometimes the thumbnails load, yeah
the video is set to private now, so
adblock, you know what, here, go
when I checked it, the video was set to private
and the website was not loading
so I actually don't know a lot about the campaign
other than the fact that adblock was
buying ads, which is ridiculous
so they're buying ads for adblock
they wanted to crowdfund
the concept
of them
buying up ad space
so that ads wouldn't
be able to be in it
and it sounds noble at first
but hold on, so they even wanted to
crowdfund something like a Super Bowl ad
and I'm kind of looking at it going, okay, well
A, that's insane, because
that's a lot of money, but B
the people who feel really strongly about adblock
and that the internet should be ad-free
might be willing to pony up
for that kind of a utopian future
and they also need to get on the reality
train, because it ain't gonna happen
the internet would shut down tomorrow
if ads didn't exist on the internet, mark my words
if these guys are buying space
so that it can be empty, they'll just
run out of money and then it won't matter
yes, the internet will
keep being supported by ads
and you know what the reality of it is, is
creators like us do rely on ads
I mean, you know what, I think
this is a great time to give a huge shoutout
to the forum for all the support they gave us
to the First Blood campaign, I mean
I think some people thought that we weren't gonna
talk about how much money we've taken in, we've taken in
over $11,000 already
you guys have been absolutely amazing
and I feel like
we wanna be accountable to you guys
about what we're gonna use the money for
so probably anywhere from half to two thirds
of it is gonna retroactively
cover everything we've spent on the forum up till now
it has been a lot
and then some of the other stuff
is gonna be used to allocate towards some new
backend software we need in order to
I think what we need is an encrypted backend
thing that's like $600 a year
or something stupid like that
it's around, I'm hopefully trying to
work on one that's less than $600 a year
but it's a lot, encrypted backend
we need some new modules for the forum that are pay modules
we've relied on a lot of free ones
and a lot of really generous people
to help us keep things going
we wanna be able to pay generous people who have helped us
keep things going, so Winspeed
has been actually paying out of his own pocket
to host that forum for a long time
we wanna pay him back
so that we can actually be self-sustaining
and the community's
response to that has been absolutely amazing
but what I need to
throw in there
is that $11,000 is a lot of money
but it's not
because $11,000
is gonna pay for all that stuff
and then at some point we're gonna need to run
another campaign and the forum's gonna need to
keep bringing in money and that doesn't
even actually pay for
any of the salaries of any of the people who are working
on it, we didn't factor it in
so
it is extremely expensive
to have people
and staff and make
videos and
buy equipment and have a
place to do it and all of those things
and we rely on ads in a big way
whether it's something that we're integrating in the video
like the sponsorship from Razor Comms, which by the way
download using the Bitly link, it helps
us out a lot, don't know how to
say that in a way that can be more clear
whether it's
through that or whether it's through Google Ads or whatever
else the case may be, if the internet
didn't have ads tomorrow
if adblock became 100%
effective and it could even block me talking
about this right now
I would run out of money and
any creator
would not be able to create unless they also had
a day job, which I really feel would hurt
the quality of the content, I like to believe that
what we've produced since
I was no longer at NCIX
is better than what I was able to make when it
was just like me with a chess tripod
in a corner of my house in the
attic trying to make a video
and not fall asleep while I was trying to make it
because I had to be at work the next morning and I had
only just gotten back home from work an hour ago
so there you go guys
and honestly this campaign makes no
sense, because they're paying for the ad
and it's temporary, they're not
buying out ad space
adblock needs to screw right off, so there you go
with that said, if you feel very very
strongly that you absolutely must have adblock
obviously there's nothing I can do to
stop you, but I do thank the people who don't
use it, and I mean I know there's some
people that do use it on the forum for example
and contributed to First Blood
if that's the compromise that works for
you guys, then as long as
we're finding a way to stay in business
then you know, we're okay
but if there were no ads, that's my whole point
that future of the internet
doesn't exist, we gotta make a makeup channel
no one uses adblock
I know right, the best
all the least tech savvy, yeah
that's what we're gonna do, we're gonna abandon
technology, because you guys are all too tech savvy
for us
Battlefield 4 runs
at 720p
upscaled to 1080p on Playstation 4
I'm gonna tweet this out
go
so yeah, upscaled to 1080p runs at 720p
runs at 60fps though, so
it was a compromise, apparently they
could've done 1080p but at 30fps
so
they're doing the, oh but you want it to be
smoother kind of thing, which
compromise it for consoles
just always compromise it for consoles
I mean, basically my
take on this is, are we really surprised
here's the crazy thing
everyone's talking 4k
next gen consoles are talking
720p on current
games
I mean Battlefield 4 isn't even
running a new Frostbite engine
it's
it's kind of pathetic
were you looking at Battlefield 4 today
they weren't running on Xbox ones
but they were running on
crappy PCs
wasn't it supposed to be simulated basically?
I was like
okay, it looks like Battlefield 3
I actually did
two takes of my whole thing in front of it
one of which was
okay, so it looks like consoles
finally have Battlefield 3
because the last time I saw Battlefield 3
being played on a console, it was on an Xbox 360
and I was like, I was looking at it
going like, what is that Counter Strike?
because I had never seen it run on a console before
I'd only seen it on a PC
and I was like, no, it looks like, hey, they're finally catching up
but what's that alias thing?
and like
frame rates and everything, I was watching people playing racing games
and I was just like, eww
that's disgusting, racing games at 30fps?
are you freaking kidding me?
Steam box people, build your own Steam box
and like, okay, I was making fun of
Forza as well, because I was like
oh, check that out, it's got great graphics
just like we've had for years
oh hey, check that out, it's got like surround sound
around like a cool car driving seat
that's modded into a display
just like PC's been having for years
oh hey look, they have surround monitors
just like PC's had for years
oh wait, no they don't
that's not a thing
yes
this is kind of brutal
I know, I know
there's monitors on consoles, but you need multiple consoles
they can talk to each other
that is such a joke
dude, just buy more consoles
you know what, this is the lecture I gave at the meetup today at PAX
where I had probably about 8 people
who I hope heard me
you don't have to buy new PC hardware
I'm going to let that sink in for a minute
go buy a 5870
they're cheap
you can get those things cheap
used, maybe 50 bucks, 60 bucks
that is a very capable card
it is iFinity capable
you can pick up non TN monitors
these days for a hundred dollars
less than a hundred dollars
so for a few hundred bucks
you throw that card into whatever PC you're running
you throw a few monitors on it, holy crap
what a gaming experience you have that cannot be replicated
on a console
like, anyway
this is a big thing in the whole discussion
we're like, oh you can't build a computer that's cheap
it's like, yeah
possibly true
possibly, you can if you go through other meets
yes
you know what, where there's a will there's a way
it is possible to build a PC
that is competitive with a console or better
and is as cheap or cheaper than a console
$500 is a lot of money
and that's what Microsoft's asking for Xbox One
so yeah, I can't like
flail my hands around in front of that PC
and expect it to do anything, but quite frankly
with the experience I've had with Kinect in the past
I'm not expecting it to do much anyway
they had some Kinect demo
that they were showing off today with Xbox One
and like, the whole demo was just like
character customization screen
so we eventually walked away from it
it was just kind of stupid
anyway, we've tweeted out another topic
I want to make sure we cover all of our headline topics
because we notoriously do that
we're like, yeah, upcoming on the Wan Show
things we're not going to talk about after all
so Nvidia is rumoured
to be releasing a
dual GK110 graphics card
so these chips are going to have to be
pretty drawn back, I think
I disagree
and I'm going to, hold on, I'm going somewhere with this
OK, so AMD has
exceeded the PCI Express spec already
with $79.90
so the precedent's been set
OK, whatever, screw specifications
apparently it's game over for that
so this would be
you know, the two graphics cards
are supposedly, so there's supposedly
according to videocards.com
a couple of graphics cards, so a GTX Titan Ultra
and a supposed GTX 790
the rumour is that GTX 790
won't be more than a thousand dollars
they say making such a graphics card
might be a challenge, etc, etc, etc
OK, they're already making
boards
for Nvidia Grid that have four
GK110s on them
so they
clearly have the technology, so to speak
and uh
oh, hahaha
windspeed says when new consoles cost
a thousand dollars in Australia
you can definitely buy a new PC
for the cost of a console, anyway
if they can do that, then I think it's doable
if they could build GTX 295
with the technology they had then
that was a very power hungry chip
I'm just, the only reason why I said draw back
was, I shouldn't have said draw back chips
VRM later on that is going to be ridiculous
yeah, it'll be ridiculous, but Radeon
HD 7990 was
ridiculous as well, and I mean
Nvidia does such a great job
of the electrical design of their cards
they never coil wine for the most part
they've done a great job of cooling, I mean you look
at something like GTX Titan
or GTX 690
how quiet
those cards are, if they kinda
went, OK, well, OK, let's let it make
a little bit of noise, could they
cool the thing? I think so
could they make the board longer? I mean remember
it wasn't that long ago that graphics cards
were getting longer and longer every generation
many, I mean I would go as far as to say
most gaming cases these days
can accommodate a 12 inch card
30 centimeters, it used to be a big problem though
used to be a big problem, but I mean
it's evolved since then, how many gaming cases
these days have removable hard drive
pages that you could put a 15 inch graphics card
in it, and if Nvidia's gonna say look
it's a thousand dollar graphics card
buy a dang case, you know what, you can get
a Corsair 300R for
less than a hundred dollars, go buy a case
if you wanna have this
unbelievable gaming experience
so, I don't know, I don't
I don't, you know what's funny is I talked to
Nvidia today, and they were basically like
come on man, and I was like
come on, and they were like
come on man, you know we can't talk about this
I'm like come on
I got nothing, you know what I did
get though, I got a carrying case for my shield
really? Yeah, they were selling them in the booth
and I was like, yo dog
I want one, it was like a big problem
it took like 15 minutes
how much were they? 30 bucks
I should've just bought one, cause I felt
terrible, the amount of time I wasted
of people who I know make
six figures
was like, whoops
cause like, they had to go get someone
who had to go check with the person overseeing
the entire booth
who had to go and override something in their
system, because they had like an inventory
system, I was like, yeah
I feel really bad about this, cause like
my PR guy was like, yeah we'll just send you one
I was like, dude, it's gonna cost you like 40 bucks
to ship me that to Canada, remember I'm in Canada
he's like, oh yeah, crap
okay, I'll see if I can do it
I was like, thank you, it's so nice
it's really nice
I want a shield, but I can't
I had a
bit of a problem with the buttons on my first
shield sample, the new one's way better
have you tried it? Yeah
oh it's way better, I took it out of the box
because I wanted to ship the other one in the box
because I had to ship the other one back
right, and when I took it out of the box
it's like, I wanna try it, but no
I don't have time
put it down, oh it's so awesome
when I'm done the review, you can play around with it
for a bit, sweet, and then you can
decide, cause you're gonna buy one right, that's your plan
I can't now, oh right, you got a car
oh, but I do want to
at some point, alright, let's
I don't know, let's maybe pick like two or three more topics
and then maybe I can get you back for half an hour of gaming
I'm sorry, I feel terrible
about this, guys, it took us forever to get the stream
set up today, I'm more
sad for the huge
group of people that I've dragged along with me
I blame Comcast
although you know what, maybe I should just back
off on blaming ISPs for things for a while
yeah
maybe
it was just horrible timing, cause Shaw
said they were throwing us that one weekend
guys, hit us up on Twitter, we wanna do
a Twitter blitz here, just hit us with some
random Q&A, and you know what, I wanna
say a huge thank you to everyone who's
watching, we have 2700 viewers
in spite of the fact that we are streaming
at 4 or 5 hours later
completely the wrong time of day
you know, we were supposed to have Marcus Brownlee on as our guest
today, but when I
realized that it just
he's East Coast
so it just wouldn't have worked at
all, although I'm hoping
to make an appearance on the tech at some point
and I'm hoping to appear in a Perillo vlog
cause everyone's here, everybody's
here, so it's gonna be fun over the next
couple days, I'm gonna try and find some time for that
but thank you guys so much for watching
and we're sorry it's at the wrong time, we're gonna be
back to the regular schedule next week
our guest next week is Tiny Tom Logan, and our guest
the week after that is Marcus Brownlee
from MKBHD, so we've got some
really good guests coming up, I think you guys
are gonna love it, so
here we go
topic
EVGA has a mini ITX
Hadron case with an integrated PSU
looks really sharp
Siri apparently responds snarkily
when asked to talk about
Google Glass
your comment is
would this have happened under Jobs? Absolutely
yes, but I said that
but Jobs would have had a response
that's the second line
there, is there would have been an answer
there wouldn't, it wouldn't have just been like
oh yes, glass sucks
it would have been like yeah, glass sucks
here's an alternative
or we're developing this because that glass thing
isn't ready yet, but we're gonna have something that's awesome
so here's some of the snarky responses
I just tweeted out the thread from TopWarGamer
I think
that glass is half empty, Dan
stop trying to strap me to your forehead, Dan
it won't work
glass, I think you've got the wrong assistant, Dan
I'm not glass
and I'm just fine with that
so these are some examples of some of the things
Siri might say
if asked about Google Glass
I don't know, I don't think it's that funny
they're not that funny
if they were really funny
I think it would be way better
it probably would be really funny if it was under Jobs
because he probably wouldn't have let it come out
if it was just kind of weird and lame
Lenovo's gonna start shipping an aftermarket
start menu with their PCs
what a kick in the balls
for Microsoft
it's like, yeah, your concept, we don't like it
because it sucks
and you know what's something
I actually feel kind of bad about this
you know this
I was the head of PC systems when I was at NCIX
so the decision
for whether or not
to just install a start menu
on every Windows 8 PC that we shipped
I nixed it
I said no
because I had concerns about the EULA
I had concerns
about getting proper
licensing in place for the start menu
NCIX compared to Lenovo
is a relatively small fry
I had concerns about damaging
the relationship with Microsoft
by undermining
the initiative that they were trying to do
for better or for worse
but now that Lenovo's kind of
gone down that road
I think the others are gonna fall
you need that
I'm gonna defend and not defend your position
one, it's really really helpful
to have that big guy do it first
two, I think you could've avoided a lot of those
issues if you didn't do it by default
and had it as an option
because if it's a user selected option
I think that opens a lot of doors
even free programs
a lot of them, the way that the licensing works
is that you're not allowed
to install it on behalf
of someone else
that's a big problem
so it would've had to be a complicated deal
and I don't know that NCIX would've even gotten the
kind of attention that someone like Lenovo would've
for reaching out to a classic start or whoever else
the case may be, so
yeah, I don't know
I felt kind of like
I knew the right thing to do
from a user perspective
was install it
but then on the other hand, what if it confuses people
what if they're not expecting to have a start menu
it would have to be user selected
I don't think you could do it by default
I think what we ended up doing
was we put an install
file in the middle of the desktop
so, do you think that's a good compromise?
that's not a bad compromise
maybe something you could've done is just had a mass copied notepad
to explain what it was
so AMD has updated
their roadmap to reflect 2014
market changes
so they are anticipating
that they will be shipping
70% APUs
while CPUs, which to be clear
are kind of the same thing
but they don't have an onboard graphics core
are going to make up only
30% of sales
in, I think, what are you saying
2014 here, so by the end
I don't know, your dates are all mixed up on this
but the AM3, in 2014
AMD's AM3 socket will retire
after 5 years
and I think they're counting AM2, AM2+, AM3
AM3+, or whatever, whatever it is
anyway, that socket is going to retire
now
with that said
APU is not necessarily a bad direction
particularly
with the way that
applications like Adobe Premiere
are going to leverage
the CPU and
the OpenCL capabilities of that processor
we could be looking at the potential
all that No Film School article
from B-roll isn't in here
with the Mac Mini built into the camera
that must not have synced
I tried to add that one while I was on it
we'll talk about it next week because I want to wrap this up
but anyway, so AMD
is just saying
but the way that that's going to work
it might end up being more useful
to have a quad or a six core CPU
with an equally large
graphics core that accelerates all the other things
your computer does, and more efficiently
so, you know
I think a lot of people are looking at this going
well, okay, it's the death of enthusiast grade CPUs
maybe not
what if a game engine
could be optimized to
leverage your dedicated graphics card
to actually draw the image on the screen
your CPU for
AI
and your GPU component
of your APU for
oh, I don't know, physics calculations
or something along those lines
what if we just need to utilize it better
and the reality of it is, it's not just AMD pushing this
Intel's Haswell
Intel's Haswell
Intel's Haswell
fourth generation core, whatever
Haswell, from Intel
basically didn't do
a whole lot to the CPU component
but they massively beefed up the GPU on there
from AMD's definition, that's an APU
it's also capable
of the same kind of
heavily parallelized compute
performance
as AMD's solution
yeah, and like you said
if they optimize different things for it, it makes a lot of sense
we're looking at a completely different
way of building a CPU
APU could be the future
I can't remember the name of it
I can't remember the name of it
but the thing they're saying PS4 has over
Xbox
homogeneous system
architecture or whatever it is
or whatever it's called
anyway, the point is that the CPU
and the GPU can access the memory
at the same time and share with each other in a way that's
totally unique and hasn't been done before
which would also help that whole situation
that you were talking about
so we could be looking at
I really want to talk about that camera
I got to talk about this camera
I can't find the link right now
I'm sorry guys
but there's a camera being shown off right now
that's basically a 2.5K camera Brandon
so it's a 2.5K camera
that has a Mac Mini built into it
so what that means
is if you were out in the field for example
you could shoot
you could cut together
you could output and you could upload
from one machine
so you get home from your shoot
boom, now you're editing
now I think that a Mac Mini
is ridiculous
for this kind of an application
and makes absolutely no sense
but where I see the potential here
is I actually had this argument
in the car with Edzel
who is Diesel and Brandon who is B-roll
because apparently we're all using real names now
I have now tweeted that article so you can grab it
awesome, I'll just retweet it here
if I can
so
let's retweet that right now
there we go, hopefully it doesn't tell me I'm not allowed to do that
go, go, go, alright
so I retweeted that
so the argument I had was
because they were saying, oh well that's stupid
we always want dedicated devices for things
I went, no, hold on
because, oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Edzel was saying it'll always be cheaper
to have a specialized chip
that just does the one thing when you build a camera
and I said, not necessarily
think about it this way, what's cheaper
a 1GB SD card or a 1GB SD card?
well they cost the same
they cost the same now
because the way that miniaturization works
the way that Moore's Law works
is that you actually get to the point
where the bomb cost of building this thing
is identical whether you
build it at a lower manufacturing process
or a higher one
and just squeeze more into it
it actually doesn't really matter
the bomb cost is the same
so we could get to the point
where if you had a processor that you would have normally found in a camera
that specialized thing
well maybe that's going to be a Tegra 9
or a Tegra 10
or something along those lines
and when you look at the kind of specialized hardware
that someone like an Nvidia or an AMD
is putting into an APU
or an SOC such as a Tegra
where it's going to support
various codecs and hardware encoding
and decoding
and all those things, we could be looking at a situation where
no, rather than ever having
a specialized camera device
we could actually have every camera
be a full system
and then you could unlock functionality like
shooting, editing within the camera
which let's face it, we can already do it on smart phones anyway
so if you could edit within your camera
now all of a sudden, maybe we've got
who knows, maybe it's 6G cellular data
at that point
now, maybe you could be the ultimate vlogger
and you could have a live stream
all the time
in full HD quality
you could sit down and you could edit at the end of the day
if you're done streaming
and you could have this device that's so versatile
and so connected
and it could be the only one you own at that point
you might not need a desktop computer anymore at all
because that might be so powerful
I mean, that is what
this concept
means to me in the future
and it's obviously
a Mac Mini is ridiculous and that's not going to work
because editing 2.5K footage on a Mac Mini
is going to be stupid
at some point
the cost
I mean, I think the bomb cost on something like
a Tegra chip is under $25
so at some point
Tegra whatever the heck
is going to be so powerful
and not more expensive than something else
it's just going to make sense to do it
and I'm really excited about that
I find this interesting because I don't know a lot about film
but one thing that's been happening a lot lately
is the barrier of entry for just anyone
that wants to start making videos
it's constantly going down
and the ability to do different things
seems to constantly be going down
so being able to livestream something
from an event being possible by random Joe Blow
is going to be really ridiculous
it's going to be amazing
it's going to be the next generation
of accessibility
of being able to
socially broadcast your thoughts
to everyone
it's absolutely amazing
and I feel very strongly that it's awesome
that I promised before
and then we're going to peace out
and I'll take you back to the land
we'll go as fast as we can here bro
I feel very bad about this
have I seen Logan yet?
yes
I have not
I ran into him twice
slick smile
why wouldn't Microsoft be able to run
Xbox One software with Windows 7
that could mean you could just make your own PC
because they don't want to
APU probably will happen at some point
you're still in Seattle
you think so?
yeah at some point maybe
because APU is going to be everything
I think they will go that way
are you still in Seattle?
no, I teleported
hey, I'm new to PC gaming
my friend said I couldn't play future games on ultra or high
what do you think?
post on the forum
post on Linus Tech Tips forum
and post your rig specs
if you have a GTX blue keyboard
which are reasonably well built
but don't have the bells and whistles
do it
if you only have 30 bucks
it's that versus membrane
do it
someone says b-roll is dying from work
man down, man down
b-roll is rolling
2 at night here in the east coast
but isn't Intel also an APU?
yes
it's terminology
I'm a GTX 560 Ti on PCIE 2.0
will a newer
PCIE 3 work on my older motherboard?
yes
whoops, didn't know it was a topic
could you explain about the shot incident
in more detail? maybe next week
we've already covered that
really want to know what the big deal is about
Windows 8 not having a start menu
what are they missing? go
it's usability, you're adding so many more steps
why add so many more steps?
more clicks is bad
maybe that's something that they're doing now
that I'm gone
what's your opinion on choosing a device to stream
this is probably the Russian who came up with it
what's your opinion for choosing a device to stream videos
from my NAS and surf the net?
HTPC or Android Mini PC
I go HTPC
but I don't pay a lot for computer
components
I prefer the functionality of an HTPC
but it's much more expensive
a lot of people can get
old computers
it's not that hard to get an old computer
and you don't need a powerful computer
to be an HTPC at all
so I would look into
trying to inherit one from a relative
or even just going somewhere where they
throw away computers
I think we talked a fair bit about AMD abandoning FX
and the rumors circulating around that
do you think that this century is having the most technological
advances and probably the biggest
for a good while?
yeah
is there enough benefit in going
from ATX or MITX price wise?
no
the benefit is more expansion slots
thoughts on the video game high school
season 2 if you watched them
have you watched any yet?
it's been good so far, I've liked it
I liked that they spread out before they only did one game
basically only did one game
and now it's still focused on the one game
but they're spreading out more which is nice
alright, so without
further ado and my wireless link
to this freaking thing is causing
me grief
I'm going to ask you guys
to bear with me while I
load up our outro manually
thank you so much
for watching tonight you guys
you're awesome as usual
and we will see you again
next week
and I really hope that
I can find the file that I'm looking for here
because that is a challenge
that is a challenge
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