Welcome to the wad show we're getting technical and we're getting sweaty apparently cuz like
If I gave you a bear hug right now, like it would be gross, you know, it would be gross
But I'm so used to it from sports that it's like it's only a little bit gross, right?
I guess in the shower when you guys hug each other you're wet from the shower
Wow, you know, I never like a minute in I never I don't think
I
Never actually played a sport that involved
They did I like group showers. I mean much to my much to my regret because
Yeah, I did football you play football actually football didn't out of all. No way. Yeah, how does football?
It was hockey football is all about like the bum slapping in the showers and stuff is my understanding everybody
Hmm like you pretty much never had locker rooms because I didn't play school football
Right and we're in Canada right where football is like not a nearly as big
All right, so things that are things we have a great land show for you guys this week
John Carmack joins oculus as CTO but remains working for id software
Okay, so it's he hasn't completely gone off his tree
He's uh, he's evidently making a major bet on VR and oculus in particular
Which is cut to be really exciting for them, especially after the tragedy recently
Yeah, where one of their co-founders was was killed in an accident. So
That's that's kind of a big deal
lab grown burger cost
$300,000 tastes gross apparently
The jobs movie has been sort of critically
The
Blown up a little bit was who is is outspoken on everything important to listen to yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
Has come out and said that a
Very main particular scene in the movie just didn't happen at all
And it's he's not too worried that it didn't happen because obviously certain you're telling them too much about it. This is the pre thing
Okay
Really you've got all you've got to be kidding me. Okay. Well I blamed I blame diesel for this
I
Without further ado, it's August 9th 2013 and I don't have my headphones
Yes
The green machine is attached to my neck which will obviously contribute to the sweatiness
Our special guest today
If you guys don't already know if you didn't see the YouTube announcement is the one and only yosh from fractal. Yes
Yes, yosh. Well, he works for a Swedish company, but he's not but he's not Swedish. No, he's about as American
I just found out he lives in Iowa. Yeah. Yeah, you just found that I had no idea
It was I knew he was somewhere east of here
That's not really saying a whole lot
I
Didn't like that area
Well, no, I I knew that he was on the continent of North America
I knew that was south of the 49th parallel and I knew he was east of here
These are all the things I knew at any rate Josh is one of our favorite industry affiliates. He's
He's the former CEO and president and whatever he wants to call himself of biohazard computers, which was a boutique
System builder that actually did some really crazy stuff. I mean when we talk about boutique system builders, we're talking paint jobs
We're talking like water cooling. We're talking like all kinds of cool
Yeah, no, Josh was not much crazier than that phase change all that kinds of awesome. Awesome. Awesome stuff
So should we jump right into it? What do you want to hit first? We have so many great topics today
We can jump right into the top of the list if you want to talk about cellular companies in Canada
Did you put things in order this week a little bit because I'll be kind of impressed if you manage to do it
It has an interesting flow where it mixes it up
So if people want to see a range of stuff, all right
Cellular companies in Canada are crying foul about the Canadian government
facilitating the entry of
Verizon Wireless into Canada
now
This is this is actually kind of funny the source for this one or at least where I first saw it was from the NCIX
Forum, so I guess I better give Turwax over there who I've actually
Had a number of exchanges with over the years
He's got like 5,000 posts on there the the credit for this one and I want you guys to watch this video
It's not that long
Canadians deserve a level playing field fair for Canada. This is the closest that
Publicly I've ever seen the main telcos here in Canada collaborate
So Bell Rogers and tell us are like this should give some idea how like
Sleeping together. They all are because it didn't take long to get a nice
Shmexy looking little website about how it's totally unfair to allow another wireless player in and I just I just want you guys to watch
This I want to know if you can relate to this. Tell me if the telcos we're gonna do a Twitter blitz after this guys
Tell me if the telcos in your country are this friggin brutal
Hi Michelle
Kick us off here
Will there be thousands of jobs lost
Think about it experts are saying most of their good jobs will stay south of the border most of their profits, too
Then this US giant gets to use our existing infrastructure that took us 25 years to party and they don't
Contribute they sent so Canadian taxpayers will be effectively subsidizing the whole thing
I believe communities like the Moncton's of Canada should get the same technology that the big cities do
That way my neighbors can be as productive and as plugged in as people in any other part of the country
It makes me proud. It's a very Canadian thing
But now our government is allowing a giant US cell phone company to buy up small Canadian operators
Companies like mine aren't allowed to buy since we can't bid they'll likely even get a huge discount on the price
Effectively a Canadian taxpayers expense, but it gets better
Better for them, even though this company is four times as big as all of Canada's cell phone companies combined
They're basically getting a huge discount to enter Canada. Will they care about employment in Canada? I think you know the answer
That's not fair for Canadians. Will this giant US company virtually ignore small communities like mine and focus on big cities
It makes me angry that the government is selling us out
You know, we teach our kids to play fair that's about as Canadian as it gets
So why is our government giving a giant US corporation special treatment? That's not real competition. It doesn't sound fair for Canadians
Ottawa should do something about the loopholes fast. It doesn't just hurt. Oh, wow. I can't even watch this anymore
Holy crap. I don't think I made it all the way through last time either because that thing is two
minutes of the most
Inane drivel, I think I have ever seen in my life
It's this big old sob story about like mega corporation. I'm sorry
Their Verizon Wireless is only four times your size and you're kind of sitting here going boo-hoo poor me
Certain things that I like in there are just things that are completely blatantly wrong where they're like small communities
We'll have all the technologies that big communities have my grandpa lives in
near Winnipeg rural farmland area
Cannot get anything other than like dead slow dial-up and there goes my phone again
And like it sucks. He doesn't want it to be that slow
He's an older guy and won't use the internet that much but when it takes him a few minutes to load a basic webpage
Yeah, and when I can't show him anything that we make because it's on YouTube and that's too much for dial-up. It's kind of
Messed up. So that's just blatantly wrong. And then the whole fair play thing fair for Canadians
It's already not fair for Canadians. We pay way too much. It's it's fair for you jerk. It's not fair for us
I mean the thing that bothers me about this is all you need to know about someone's business model and someone's profitability
You could you can know everything you need to know about a company without even looking at a public company's financials
If the local sports arena is called the Rogers arena
Then Rogers had way too much money left on their balance sheet
knows they're gonna have way too much money left on their balance sheet for the foreseeable future and needs a major spend that they can just
kind of
well justify somehow because naming sports arenas is a terrible terrible terrible ROI and is basically just a way to burn money so
That it kind of goes away quietly
That should be all you need to know about how much of that money could have been spent on the infrastructure
That would bring oh, I don't know high-speed higher speed internet connections better cell phone reception more advanced technologies
Whatever else the case may be or improving customer service
Which quite frankly out of all of them the ones I've had the best
experience with at least on the cell phone side has been Bell and Rogers tell us is absolutely terrible and
Speaking to former tell us employees the amount of bureaucracy and BS that goes on there
Do you remember the story? I told you the screwdriver story the screwdriver story
How many people does it take to put a piece of RAM in a server at tell us?
You said I think it was four right? It was I believe it was three. Okay. Well, it was the one guy who wanted it done
Who was my buddy? Yeah. Yeah, and then it was someone to open the case. Yeah
someone to install the RAM and then
Was it I thought I thought it was one person to slide it out one person to open it one person to put the RAM
In one person to close it one person. No, no. No, that was me joking about it. No, the third guy had to supervise
Oh, yeah. Yes. So the third guy was a supervisor and I'm sitting here going you know what boo friggin who you don't have enough money
Maybe stop wasting it on things like that. So let's go to the Twitter boards and let you guys give us your take on the whole
How
Bad would you feel for your incumbent telcos if your government basically stepped in and said well, hold on a second
Let's try to actually improve the quality of service whether the improvement in quality of service is for urban areas
And I do understand their point where yeah Verizon's gonna come in and they're gonna go after the biggest whack load of customers
Of course
But you know what you guys
What you could do is you could spend some of the money that you have from your current customers because you know
What's coming upgrading your infrastructure and accessing the customers for eyes and can't touch for now make it hard for them
Don't make a whiny video
Be aggressive give us the wireless rates that we know that you can
To clear them to clear some things up the auction that they're talking about the unfairness that they're talking about is for the 700
megahertz spectrum
New entrants so say Verizon are able to bid for two of the four blocks of the new spectrum
they're like allowed to bid for two of them and
Incumbents or current ones are only allowed to bid for one each each each group
That's already here is only allowed to bid on one Verizon would be allowed to bid on two
That's what they're so mad and and they're and they're and they're butthurt because they're not allowed to bid
Because that's anti-competitive that we're not allowed to bid
What about all the little guys that you guys drove under by?
Overbidding for any existing spectrum that has been up for auction over the last however many decades
It's been pretty much impossible
It's been impossible for anyone else to get involved unless it's mandated by law
Such as that local cable company Delta cable where Shaw is not allowed in that municipality for whatever reason
I'm not quite sure what it is
But the reality of it is these are the same things you guys are all
Complaining pants about that you have been doing to other companies for all of these years. So
There you go, that's what I have to say about all right Twitter boards
Been on holiday for a week with no phone or internet
Hey speaking of things that telcos need to get into the whatever century we're in about the fact that you being on holiday
Why is this all glitching out? That's kind of weird screen region. Let's try that again add screen region
Roaming charges if that's not a you know archaic thing. Yeah
Like
If that's not a bunch of like
skeevy
executive sitting around a table sort of behind closed doors
Collaborating and colluding to keep rates as high as they possibly can. I don't know what is
JK, okay, you're gonna have to message us again when Josh is actually on our government does have a fiber initiative
Which all line providers have to be included in New Zealand is pushing us forward. I
Got no problem with government mandated everyone gets to be involved
Yeah, it's pretty much like in the UK all the infrastructure is based on BT
They own all the lines and dictate everything and that's exactly how it is here the guys who own the lines
just call the shots and
Hopefully, you know, hopefully the move to wireless spectrum where instead of it just being like oh well
You know you collaborated a hundred years ago to build these phone lines which has absolutely nothing to do with how the world works today
Therefore you own all of it and we can't do anything with wireless. At least it can be
Controlled somewhat moving forward and there will be a balancing act
I mean, it's not like if Verizon comes in here and steals all the business
They won't which they can't because they don't even own enough spectrum to do it in the first place
And it's not like the government's gonna be like, yeah, you guys are never allowed to bid on spectrum ever again
It's just gonna it's gonna be a balancing act in the future and they don't want it
No
They don't want that and I just and I guess the thing that bothers me most about it is the three of them are like
Getting in together to band up about it because Verizon might not come in and play their game
What I don't like is well, it's not fair for Canadians
It's not fair for Canadian and they're saying they're gonna take a massive amount of the jobs
They will take some of the jobs
But I guarantee you
Technicians are still gonna need to be up here and if technicians still need to be up here offices still need to be up here
Yes, there will be jobs up here. You're not gonna be able to service Canada without employing any Canadians
So that's actually not possible for an ISP anyway, so yeah, Brad seems to have
Well the same sort of wow, this is kind of weird. Okay. There we go. The same sort of negative feelings about Australia's telcos
Australia does have similar challenges to Canada large landmass small sort of dense population centers
But it still could be better. I would be very happy. There's no good data plans here top speeds are one megabit. Yeah
Bring on the competition the Canadian telcos need to man up indeed
August 9th way to go. Yeah, you did it again, and I'm in the merit. I say boo-hoo and I'm in the Maritimes indeed
You're you're brutal, dude. Okay. I know this is safe to click on you guys are you guys may actually like love this here?
Hold on. I'm gonna see if I can find one. There you go. So one of our viewers has acquired a Pikachu onesie, so
Go ahead and burn them on that as much as you want. That's awesome. I think it's awesome
Do you think newer FX 80 350s will be worse overclockers now that the best chips are being badged is 95 90s
That is actually a very good question. We should probably talk about that later
You want to throw that on the dock while I continue the splits sound card for HD 5 5 8
Anything from a sousa's zonar line would be a great option
You don't necessarily need one with a beefy amp because that is not a high impedance pair of headphones
Perhaps they should pull their fingers out of their collective butts
I think is the word you were looking for instead of complaining like spoiled kids
Yes, indeed. What are my opinions on the new LG G2? I don't know
I asked for an eval unit to check out and sort of nothing ever happened
So I don't really have much of an opinion. I'm looking for a beast card to hang any game 780
Hard to go wrong with 780. However, one of our topics later on is the rumor that a me's Hawaii series
GPUs may be coming soon. So stay tuned for that
Was that an aperture science water bottle? I saw you drinking from yes, indeed. It was
Hydrogen monoxide containment unit I think is the terminology we're looking for not water bottle. So there you go
Let's see if we've got anything more a little bit more on the Twitter blitz 4k content needs at least 20 megabit per second down
I'm all for more competition help us get closer to the awesome. I want indeed
Someone says refresh X split and what is that blue green light on the vengeance box behind slick? I?
Got no idea
Yeah, all right
4570 s versus 8350. Those are very different chips
The 4570 s is super power efficient and the FX 8350 is anything but super not. Yeah
Like super like power. Yeah, like just super power, man
Like like pedal to the metal and efficiency to the winds. So I guess decide what you want and then buy that
What do you think of deleting the chips? I think it's kind of risky
Cool, though. Seriously America has this stuff to Comcast pretty much has its own region while Verizon doesn't come into my region
It's that whole territorial monopoly things. You know what I would love to see
Guys from the states coming up to Canada and sort of pooping all over the collusion that's going on here
And I'd love to see guys from Canada go down to the states and poop all over the collusion there would absolutely
Love to see it because it's needed and I think eventually they're all going to just collude with all of each other
But at least initially we might see some improvements
Which will maybe get us a little bit caught up in terms of fighting for any amount of time will probably help
Yes
You'll at least be able to sign up for like some kind of ridiculous deal and then try and hold on to and grandfather in forever
Yes
That is the secret. I mean I went honestly, okay
I'm putting on my my old NCI hex hat for a bit when new egg launched in Canada
Like we were pooping bricks like leading up to that launch
every every day was
another conversation about sort of you know, what are they gonna do to
To address sort of the differences in the Canadian market because we knew things they didn't in fact NCI X still knows a whole lot
Of things I can look at new eggs
offering I can go yeah, they clearly haven't figured this out yet about the way business works in Canada and
anyway, we were we were pooping bricks and that was scary and
when
when new egg launched in Canada NCI X countered with one of the most aggressive sales in its history as a company and
Customers don't always understand how much it costs to put on a sale because it wasn't Black Friday. It wasn't Boxing Day
there weren't manufacturer rebates that we were able to
Leverage it was just okay. Well, here's all of our money. Just here you go customers. We I guess we don't need this anymore
And and then new new eggs a grand opening sale was pathetic
It was like some outdated. Phenom was like remember yours the highlight. I took some of that NCX money. Yeah
Crazy say I took a lot. I think I built two computers for other people out of that sale and took some stuff myself
Yeah, it was kidding. Oh, it was like bat crap crazy
so I don't remember where I was going with that, but
Yeah
Why don't we move on to our next topic? Shall we? What do you think we should do next?
Maybe maybe a little while sure
I like that screen one if you want to talk to you because we should be getting Josh on here soon
Yeah, let's get Josh going soon. Where is the screen one Amazon working on paperweight? Oh, okay. That's your topic. So you better
You better cover that one. All right, so Amazon is working on a new screen technology
This is an article from quartz comm QZ comm go ahead. So basically they're gonna be putting LEDs
Horizontally along the panel and then it'll bounce light along the hole
What do they call it a nano imprinted light guide?
It'll bounce it all the way across and that will make the light hit the screen and then reflect out towards you instead of the
Light shining directly at you. It'll be a reflection which is more realistic when looking at paper books
And it's supposed to be a huge improvement make it a lot better experience for the user
much less eye strain when you're reading for a long period of time and just
Yeah, it's very interesting technology. No one else has done it and they're not gonna compromise on things like color depth and
Resolution or anything like that. So this is so really using a traditional LCD panel
Yeah, actually, this is something that a lot of people get confused about should I buy an LCD or an LED?
They're the same thing. It's the backlighting that changes a liquid crystal display is
Is available in a wide variety of different forms and it's the most common flat panel display type anything from your old
Calculator uses an LCD display. It's monochrome
It has no backlight backlight about to talk about that in a moment
Anything up to even sort of even the LCDs you might find in a rear projection TV
a while ago back when the larger LCD panels were too expensive to manufacture so they would make small ones and then blow a
Massive backlight through them to project onto a screen or something like an LCD panel that you might find at your typical computer
Which would typically have cold cathode lights behind it fluorescent lighting and now has moved to LED
So the LCD panel itself is an image that doesn't inherently emit any light
That's where o LED is different because it emits its own light
You have to put some kind of a light source behind it. So in this way, they're not actually putting it
Necessarily it's
You can use that same LCD panel tech to to reflect light instead of shine light out from behind it
So so it's it's supposed to make it a much better experience. It's called light guide
They're called. Well, the the technology is called light guide their screen is gonna be called paperweight and Amazon has recently
Acquired a like kind of a company that's working on tablets
So people are thinking that instead of just making e-readers
Amazon is gonna take this tech and make a tablet and there's a lot behind this and it's in this
In this quartz web page, which will be on the dock which we will upload with the live stream later on
Fascinating. So Amazon is realizing that e-readers have gone down. I think it's like 12% in the past
It's so dead. Oh, yeah, come on
So so Amazon is trying to respond to that by making a tablet which has gone up
I think it's like 78% in the last year or something like that. Oh, yeah, it's ludicrous
I was looking at did diesel send you the same article that was looking at I think smartphone shipments and tablet shipments
Oh, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's like you're kind of looking at the numbers going
How many how many hundreds of millions of them does everyone not have one yet?
But there you go evidently not this actually ties into one of our other news articles
Which is maybe the last one we'll do before we get Josh to join us
And that is the rumor that Amazon is working on a game console. So an Android based game console
I don't this isn't in the doc. I don't know if you know about this
So it's going to be so it would go head-to-head with something like the Ouya which I think
Everyone's kind of in agreement on was kind of a failure
The like things have changed since it got released and they made improvements
but it's still and this is the danger of kick-starting something based on specs that are
Current and then how long it takes to really bring a product to market. I mean something like Nvidia shield
If Nvidia were to wait like if they had two business units internally
Tegra and shield and shield wasn't allowed to touch Tegra technology until it was released publicly
Shield would be months away. Yeah, because it takes so long to bring an actual finished product to market
That's why someone like Ouya never stood a chance because they're going to be working with off-the-shelf
components rather than working with what's coming next so
Ouya is sort of a bad example because I think it just never really stood a chance
But with someone with the clout of Amazon
Banking on this whole Android console thing with someone with the clout of Nvidia banking on this whole Android
Console concept thing with shield which by the way, our shield is coming coming on the way
I haven't seen tracking yet, but it's like it's a little way
Yeah
This is this is interesting because more game developers are gonna come back on this because there's shield people are gonna want to be making
Games for Android because of shield and then when Amazon steps behind something like this people are gonna be want to making want to be
Making Android games because of Amazon's console. So one of the problems with Ouya is everyone went emulators and then kind of stopped
Because everyone just wanted emulators now people are gonna be actually interested in developing games for this platform
Which is really important
Of course for those of you who are gonna sort of attack him immediately for this
Of course developers were already interested in Android games
But they were interested in touchscreen Android games that were meant to be played on a tablet and a phone now
Android is moving forward to what someone like Nvidia has been trying to get towards
Controllers the first Tegra. Yeah, which is we want console graphics on this thing
Because we ultimate and like this is the scare
This is the scariest part of it is like how how upset is Nvidia that AMD has every design win in the next-gen console
Maybe not at all because they're going for because the next-gen console is gonna be a 10-year device
You look at how quickly Nvidia is ramping up the power or not. Just Nvidia
I mean, I'm harping on Nvidia because they're kind of in the thick of all this
But you look at how quickly the GPU power on these mobile devices is ramping up
We could be looking at another few years because we've already pretty much caught up with Tegra for we've caught up to current gen console
Few more years especially with yearly iterations
We could have caught up to the next-gen consoles and with a device that
Doesn't have to have a Kinect plugged into it and doesn't have to hook up to your TV and
doesn't have to do whatever you don't care about and maybe doesn't have the same DRM restrictions that you can root and you can really
Get into and you'll probably be able to record more easily and all this other kind of stuff is the console dead
That's actually a really interesting statement and possible, but we won't know for years, but we won't know for a few years
Maybe maybe guys like Microsoft are too hard to take down
Exhaust pretty big they're pretty big, but they're falling pretty hard pretty fast
Maybe that's why Microsoft is banking on things that aren't necessarily gaming
And maybe that's it football, but other all those other guys have TV convince me Android can't handle things that aren't gaming
Asus cube anyone. I
I'm not playing this battle, you know, Google Chromecast anyone like
Gen 5 of that thing
It's already incredible with a tag rod aid in it like I don't know anyway good good luck. Good luck ps4
Good luck Xbox one was nice knowing you
Why don't we go ahead and fire up comms here and see if Josh fractal has managed to?
Manage to get his headset figured out. Did you manage to do a test call? No, no boy
I was I was zoned out working on the dock when he first got it installed and then I went to invite him and he
Had he had left at that point. That was my bad. All right, you know, we should just like take a
Josh fractals online. All right. Well here. Why don't I let you kind of talk about that?
Well, I do a Twitter blitz here. And of course, they're on the same computer
so that oh
Wow, wow shots shots fired already this this this guy is hard to
Kind of hard to deal with having him on our live stream here. See if I can
See if I can get this to actually work. I'm not that impressed with X split today. I don't know. What's uh, I don't know
What's going on here? But this is this is some
Some serious business nonsense that is making my life difficult here
so we're gonna go ahead and recapture that screen region that I've already captured a couple times and
Apparently, oh, that's weird razor comms does not
Get picked up by X split which actually makes sense
Because a game streamer who's using comms for voice communication wouldn't want their bloody X split
They're they're calm stuff all over the place. All right. Well at any rate
Let's go ahead and fire this fire this baby up
Alright Josh, so just click the headset button in the top left hand corner. Thank you. Yo Josh. How goes bro?
Let's go on. How you doing?
Pretty good. I noticed that you jacked up my style with your your guest picture here
And
Josh is listening to the stream not to raise her comm so he needs to go ahead and turn off his stream so he can
Talk to us already
So you think I jacked your style
You hardcore jacked my style. I was the first one to do a picture like this. Obviously. Yeah, except for Steve Jobs
Well set for that guy, but I mean, what did he ever do? That was he probably wasn't the first one to do it anyway
Well, yeah, you never know. But I mean he made it popular and sexy. I mean in the bright trademark
Yeah, I actually did worry about that
like I wondered if it was okay for me to take a picture of myself being all like
Glasses and maybe like the particular finger orientation made it a curved design that they could patent
Yeah, I think your pinch zoom in your chin in that one. I'm not quite sure though
So, how are you how's I how's fractal how's business how's the PC industry and well
How is it Tom? Do you cry yourself to sleep at night? Because you don't still run your own company biohazard. I think it was called
Man, we're starting quick, aren't we?
First of all, I guess I'd like to be the cool one and say happy birthday to fatal flex
They've been posting over there in the comments. So can you guys give them a shout out for me real quick?
Birthday see there we go. Um, no work work has been good work has been busy
You know, I've just got back from copy text where we partied it out for a little while. I mean worked very hard
You know we got
It's just it's not one thing. It's another but it's going good. It's good. It's good
Yeah, you guys have done some land presidencies presence recently
Oh, so for those of you who don't know this is Josh from fractal design formerly of biohazard computers
He is an enthusiast at heart
This guy has done more hardcore stuff with PCs than I have done that is for certain and he works as the
What's your title like lap dog to the president of fractal or something like that North America?
Well, it was gonna be just taller than Linus, but that didn't really narrow it down at all
Broad categories, so yeah VP of marketing for North America
That that would be my official title
Alright, so do you want to talk fractal stuff first?
Or do you want to just kind of jump into some of the I know there was that one?
Topic that you were jumping at the bit to talk to us about do you want to get right into that?
Yeah, it just depends. Do you have a seven second delay?
You might want that
What something a delay so that you can bleep out swear words
Let's let's just let's just let's just do this thing
Alright, so this is I said I sent this to Josh and I got back an email let like but what is that like four?
In the morning your time. Yeah, it's about four in the morning. Yeah, which was yeah, that's perfect. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah
Slick wasn't cc'd on the email. So here we go. There's an indie go-go
On that is but must be the stupidest thing that I've ever seen on the internet this video thumbnail right here
Should probably tell you pretty much everything you need to know about this indie go-go
Which is basically like two nerds and guys, you know, no disrespect or anything
but you're two nerds sitting on chairs in the middle of a yard and I'm just going to
Skim through a little bit of this indie go-go and then we are just gonna blast this thing
Between me Josh and slick. I don't think they're gonna have any anus left
Careful wording man
You guys have a 3.8 gigahertz overclocked 6 core i7 processor
6 gigabyte video card 32 gigabytes of RAM
All booting from a solid-state drive. I mean this would normally resale from about three to four thousand dollars if you could even find it
But if you could find it, oh man, I got I'm starting early here originally we're gonna go cheaper than that
I'm fighting back the rage right now
So don't you think this could lead to awkward conversations with big industry producers
I mean you're undercutting their prices quite a bit awkward conversations. Like how overpriced their computers are we're okay with that conversation
Right, well then I'm just trying to make sure you guys aren't getting in over your head
I mean, there's a lot of big dogs out there. I think we've made our purpose clear
Right if this project gets off the ground then we've essentially declared war on all companies that make gaming computers
Unlike most words where it's a win-lose
We're totally okay with either outcome on one hand. We make super awesome computers specifically for gamers on the other hand
We force the big guy
Anyway, so basically the summary guys is that these guys have an Indiegogo actually here
I'm gonna go back to the Indiegogo. So they've actually got four thousand contributors. They're basically saying that
$4,000 $4,000 worth of contributions. They have 12 contribute
So there's a comparison matrix down here that has
Alienware what they charge for a system and build it yourself and what it costs and they're in a vision gaming which has a
3970 X 32 gigs of RAM the 79 90 a 512 gig SSD and a final price of a thousand dollars. I
don't know if they're deluded or if they're just
Scammers one thing I've wondered is I'm giving them as much
Insane degree of benefit of the doubt that I can possibly imagine is that they have found someone online
That is claiming to be a distributor of these things and is claiming if you buy enough and pay us upfront
We will give you all of this for this price
So they decided to make an Indiegogo planning to do it without enough research figure out that this person is a scammer
Tell me Josh
Boutique gaming system builder who you know, really, you know wasn't
Well, okay. Okay, two things two things. Tell me this Josh
hmm
How much margin did you make selling gaming PCs? Oh
Oh
Hell like four thousand percent four thousand percent cuz I touched it
I mean I had a picture of me on the side of it which that I mean right there. That's just a bonus
It's a work of art
Yeah, the thing is like you had a figure, you know, I was definitely high-end fatigue
So our stuff was you know, very expensive average box was like 8 to 12 K. So we had
sizable sizable margin and we were still at like
30
40 percent
Like above hardware be us gonna realize when you're going into that level of boutique the amount of work that goes into your overclock
And you're stress testing it. It's like that's you know, the labor comes into it. Yes
So hold on. I'm not talking gross margins. I want to hear net margins
After you pay yourself labor, which probably isn't for that great of a salary. Oh
I obviously I was worth so much more. That's why I moved on to modeling but you know after that dried up
I came back to tech, you know
So I would say you know at the end of the day
The problem was Tuesday. I own the company. So I started myself, right? So I was probably
Maybe between 10 and 15 percent 10 and 15 percent sounds about right, which is not
And that's a boutique. So to put that in perspective someone like an NCIX might be making about half of that
So for those of you watching right now who think there's like massive margin in gaming computers
There is but it isn't at the retailer level. It isn't at the distributor level and
It's not at the system builder level. It is at the
Manufacturing level guys like Asus guys like Intel. These are public companies
All you have to do is look at their financials, you know how much they're making on it
that means that if something costs a thousand dollars to the end-user and
You we know that the distributor price for it is you know
$950
The the retailer and the distributor didn't make that much on it
So Josh tell me this when you were a boutique builder building systems that might have cost thousands of dollars
If you could even find them
How much did it cost you to buy an extreme edition? Oh
Let's see here it was pretty straightforward because Intel locks their pricing at per thousand unit orders, right?
I mean, it's like the way that breaks down is like when a you know extreme edition came out back then
You know, they're a thousand bucks and it's like or you know
999 yeah, and it was like that's per thousand CPUs and I think people have this unrealistic view of
You know how much business lot system builders are doing? It's like a huge boutique system builder may be doing like
Between two and four hundred systems a month, you know, and you know, it's a kill me
it's like people think you're getting like all this hardware for dirt cheap and we'd always get these things like I
Want an extreme edition. I want this I want that and I want this but I want it for like half a retail
Cuz I know you guys get it cheap. I'm like, it's you know more than I do man because
Certainly not getting it cheap and that's why we went that route is like to make any margin on it
you know you had to put some sort of spin on you had to do like
Overclocking liquid clean stuff like that that people weren't doing and
You know people wonder how come there's always bloatware and crap where on PCs
That's where Dell and HP and the big guys made all their money
That was all subsidized like they were selling half the time the hardware nearly at a loss
Making up the money on like, you know, Samantha kicking them 20 bucks per system or shipping or?
The other little things that they could do that really helped that or you know
Even things like office trials that ship on your computer as enthusiasts
We kind of look at that and we go as if I'm gonna activate it
but someone like my mother might actually do that and that's where the margin on that PC through an affiliate code of all things like
Even someone like Acer has to make money through like an affiliate program for Microsoft Office on the computer that they shipped you
Yeah, well, it just it drives me nuts it like so these guys are obviously blatant idiots
I mean, it's either so first of all, let's just start poking holes in this
I don't even know where to start because there's so much crap. It's insane. Like okay, first of all, you know
We found that we buy in bulk we save gee
That's a unique business model that I don't know Walmart and everybody else's heads is the beginning
Yeah, a new egg new egg never figured that out about buying in bulk and getting processors for cheaper. Yeah, exactly
It's like ooh, I'm glad you guys cracked this one and no one else has been able to figure it out and then second of all
It's like we started looking we got these contacts in the industry
It's like who that inside track that you developed after a week and a half on Craigslist, you know
I don't know exactly where they think they got this information
And then the other thing is it's like if we can crowdfund this if we can all order these motherboards these video cards
It's like okay. What motherboard am I getting? You know, it's like yeah
Okay, what chipset would manufacturer? I think that's the least of the holes in this. Oh, yeah, it's a big hole though
Yeah, yeah
So, okay like another reason why you know any system builder has to make margin on it's like who's gonna support the damn thing
You know, it looks to me
I'm gonna give them the benefit of the boat at the benefit of the doubt. I think that they're not scammers
I think that they're morons and what they think is that if they get
Because look they're asking for a half a million dollar
Goal and their campaign only receive funds receives funds if they reach it by the deadline
So it's not one of those blatant scam ones where they're like, yeah, we're gonna keep the money regardless
So I think that they naively think that if they manage to put together
500
systems as a single order that they'll be able to go to someone like Intel or
EVGA or Asus or whoever else and say hey, we're big shots
drop your pants in terms of pricing for us and
You know a thousand dollars is our budget and that's a lot of money because we're 15 and we're however old they are and we think
Whatever they think that a thousand dollars is a lot of money
And they think that they can achieve it that way and it's just not gonna work
Josh has built systems for people on an insane level you've built systems for people I've built systems for people
None of us made a ton of money out of it
the first thing that I say anytime someone posts on the forum that their plan is to start a business selling systems is
Do it for fun. It better be a side job and it better be yeah
Yeah, I mean, you know the overhead in it is ridiculous. I mean aside from
You know just the standard business model. It's like keeping up with high-end hardware
I mean, you know working in front of the curve is you know?
Frustrating time-consuming and yeah, you know by the time like, you know, the extreme edition drops if you're one of the high-end guys
It's like you already work on the next thing, you know, it's like by the time it actually comes to market
Okay, that's all and you know, I have to agree
I don't think these guys are scammers merely because a scam would be put together a lot better than this
I mean, this is like so bad
It's got to be you know
Blatantly real like they genuinely think that they've stumbled across something and that they're gonna be able to help people out
It's like, you know a scam would
Be more believable. I think that's how a scam works. I
Wonder about the four people who have evidently bought it and they've got a lot of perks at different levels that I'm also looking at
Going like are you guys bloody insane?
$25 for a 256 gig USB Drive
250 bucks for a 79 90 that was the main one that got me. Yeah, it's like okay on what planet
What are you planning to ship these systems like to ship the system in 2016 and they're just gonna like troll eBay
Okay, they're planning to ship them in October
But if the plan was to like troll eBay two years from now and dig up like, you know old extreme editions and stuff
This might be doable
Well, here's the thing if they got all the parts right now two guys
It would take them till October to build 500 system. I mean they ever think about that
It's like we're gonna hire some people to build all these by October from watching the video
I think it's only the dude on the right who's building all of them actually. Oh, yeah guys the brains behind it
There we go. That's a solid that's a side if you build 500 systems
I can tell you right now based on sort of an industry standard two to three percent
Defective rate on any component within the first month. They are going to get back. So it compounds right because you're building a system
So let's say a system has eight components in it for the sake of argument
That means that the chances of a system going defective within 30 days
Unless they're burning them in I mean, what about the power that it's going to consume to burn in all these systems
They're building 500 systems at the same time
Anyway, the the chance that one of them will be defective within 30 days is probably at least
Three to five percent if they're lucky as an inexperienced builder never mind the ones that get damaged in shipping
Tell me Josh, how much do RMA's cost you as a system builder? Oh, yeah. Well, that's the thing
You know, it's ridiculously expensive because say you sell the whole system, you know
The first thing is it's like I think my video card that okay. We'll see anybody here
I don't know how to fix it if they want to send the whole system back. So, you know, assuming you can sidestep that
It's the other thing is that they're working with high-end hardware. We had our largest failure rates on enthusiast class hardware
Because it's pushed so high, you know, and you would think which they're probably thinking from a general mindset like oh this video card
It costs three times as much as a mainstream one. It's gonna be perfect
It's like no, it's probably gonna be flaky, you know, and and if you're gonna take all these you're gonna overclock them
Okay add to that. That's the other thing. You know, you're looking at your failure rate
I assume these guys are you getting trying to overclock because they'll read on that on some forum somewhere
Yeah, I can do that. All you do is push the voltage as high as it goes and then just crank up the multiple
Oh
Yeah, I can range on this all night, but you know, you want to move on I totally understand
I just saw it. I was like really really this is and the scariest thing is that they've got backers already like oh
Is it like their moms? I'm hoping so. I'm hoping so could be considering the money
We'll get back if they don't get it funded. It definitely could be another thing is I think okay the guy on the right
I watched the video. I didn't pay way too much attention
But the guy on the right I believe is the technical guy and the guy on the left
I believe is the business guy the guy on the left should be fired
Unfortunately, the guy on the left, you know
The hard time finding a job anyone Google's this because his name is attached all over it and the guy on the right is gonna
Have a really hard time finding a job because I believe his name is attached to this as well
So if they try to look for a job in 22 days from now when this fails
It's gonna be rough if anyone Google's their names
I think it I think you're giving them too much credit for the size and momentum of this project
I don't think anyone will ever find it
My thing is I thought it was I it was better without the video. Like I watched the video and it got worse
I see what you're trying to do, but just fail left and right
I should tell them if they want to do a better pitch video next time. They should reach out to Linus media group and
We should just just for laws we should just produce the stupidest possible pitch
You know what? That would be kind of a fun project like Indiegogo pitch video like fake sort of thing
I don't know if that's been overdone yet kind of sort of
did it but not for jokes and not and it wasn't fake but for
The the Kickstarter one that we did we did a Kickstarter. Oh, no, we didn't do I didn't get any of the money
We did a video that got posted on Kickstarter for that thing
Omni Omni
That got posted on there. Okay started it worked really well. So I don't know. Okay. So anyway, there you go
You know what? Why don't we move into something else?
I'd like to do one topic and in the meantime guys hit us on twitter at Linus tech and
Let us know what questions or comments you have for Josh
Remember former boutique system builder current VP of marketing at fractal design for North America
And it was awesome. I'm sorry, and I'm always awesome and always awesome and you're right
All right, so Josh speaking of staying on the sort of bleeding edge of
CPU technology and all that crazy stuff. Here's an article from WCCF tech I
Mean these guys I don't know the credibility is sort of I mean they had an article about I think it was like
1216 core FX is not that long ago. And now there's one about how they're possibly
abandoning FX processors AP use all the way
What's your take on this? Oh
You know, I don't know I mean it gets to a point almost
you know with
The big guys that you believe anything. I mean things have gone back and forth so much
You know, I know AP is definitely a focus for AMD right now as far as like abandoning FX
I don't see it being that drastic
if you look at the benchmarks you look at like a lot of the forms you would think that
AMD is completely screwed because they don't win all the benchmarks but like when you look at you know
The buying public like hey, that's cheap processor. I'll get that for my next bill
That'll do what I needed to do if I'm gonna build
You know my mother and internet and email machine it's like, okay fine
Yeah, I'm gonna go for that and I think that's called the Xbox one. Yeah
So, yeah, I don't know I don't put a lot of stock in it. I mean, it's that's your thing
Okay, like what are the odds that website would have the scoop? That's what was really happening
You know what? I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and I'm gonna think they're right
Because they've been falling behind I mean performance per watt octoron walked in and destroyed everything
AMD owned fabs at the time they owned the technology. They had some serious business
You know, I don't know if you want to call it planning or luck or whatever word you want to use
But Intel was basically sitting on their butts and AMD came in and what their butts in the server space
trickled that technology down to the desktop and
Kicked some butt for a little while
Now they haven't done that in a long time
AMD is more focused on that mainstream consumer and you look at what they see as the definition of an
APU according to AMD
Core i3 core i5 and core i7 processors from Intel that have onboard HD graphics are AP use
so you look at
Intel where they still have dominance when it comes to Xeon when it comes to extreme edition when it comes to workstation grade
Processors they still have dominance there and they're barely paying any attention to it
For AMD is the overhead just too much at this point to even bother are they better off to just focus on the?
heterogeneous
CPU architecture, I guess I can't call it a CPU any but a heterogeneous architecture that uses a CPU and
graphics type of
processing in order to achieve
What it needs to do and are they right to bank on that in the future because is it possible that a quad-core?
CPU with a very powerful graphics
Processor on it would actually be able to outperform a more traditional six core eight core CPU
In the tasks that we need I mean diesel the intern was complaining to me the other day that his workstation doesn't support quicksync
because now that
Technology that uses Intel's onboard HD graphics to accelerate video encoding is starting to show up in the professional tools
And I'm like I thought I built you the beastest
Machine with a six core extreme edition and all this RAM and a quad row and you want a friggin consumer grade device
because we're moving towards that being more practical for the future and
It makes sense and to be honest with them starting to rake in money on the console side
Especially in the next upcoming months and still bleeding money
They released a statement recently about how they're gonna be profitable soon. Yes, they said next quarter
Maybe dropping certain segments will help them be profitable soon
well, you know, I think that part of it comes into the fact that like
Certain product wings are just marketing wings, you know
I mean you look at halo cards and stuff like that when you're looking at graphics
It's like you know Nvidia is not making their bank on Titans and 780s. It's amazing how many consumers think they are but yeah
It costs five times as much as a consumer grade card or you know performance cards like yeah
And you sell about what five percent of what you sell in the mainstream
So, you know five percent is very aggressive
Yeah, and the thing is like so if you're going into like the nuclear arms race of graphics
It makes sense because if you win that top rung then you get every rung below it
so it's more of a marketing investment anything else and
When you look at largely what the bread and butter what AMD probably sells right now? Yeah
It could make sense to I guess kill off the FX brand if they want to move more towards an AP
Because it's also about application, right? I mean, it's like if you say what has a faster zero to 60, you know
Ferrari or Ford f-150
Everyone's gonna say Ferrari. It's like okay now do the same thing on a muddy road
Which one has a faster zero six, so it's all about how you're tasking and like you said with diesel work on video
It's like okay. Yeah that might have more raw processing power. But for what I use it for this works better for me. Yeah. Yeah
Although I'm trying to get away with throwing a Kepler GPU in his system because he's found a really cool plugin for premiere that uses
CUDA to accelerate
Outputting h.264 using the onboard encoder, but you know what he wants, right? He wants a Titan doesn't he and he wants both
What and a Titan because diesel are you still here? Oh
No, he's not here today. He can use one for one thing in the other for the other thing. He wants two graphics cards
No, if he could do it. No, I don't even care. He's not getting two Titans in his workstation. He doesn't want two Titans
Oh, I know
Yeah, he wants the Quadro because he wants 10-bit color and then he wants the Titan for CUDA
He's not getting the Titan you can have like a 770 or something you're so cheap, I know I'm like the worst person ever
Frickin employees, it's like why do I even need them?
Someone's gonna make you look good
All right, let's do a Twitter blitz here guys for yosh
We're gonna focus on the questions for yosh
Look at that
R2 it must be because of that pre-roll advertising you're running online as tech tips videos
Well, no, I'd probably be something effective that we're doing
All right, so Greg war says going for the arc MIDI r2 air cooling bill
Should I go for a f140 fans instead of the stock fans? Great question
Josh go
Go for whatever you want. I mean it comes down to
Again, however, you're gonna use it. I mean
To think that we can make one fan. That would be perfect for every solution
You could try
You know, obviously we always have a in towards silence and that's where a lot of our fans have come from
So if you're going for something a little more high-end if you want to do
What you want to do? I mean, that's my biggest thing. I'm not gonna try and push in this somebody into something. I don't want
All right fair enough and you guys all know what I'll say by all the Noctua nff 12s because I truly believe it
Is the one size fits all and that's why I stopped talking because I figured you'd just chime in with that. Anyway, so
All right, that's that same question again
will there be a successor to the core 1000 actually a case that I personally really liked I unboxed it a long time ago and
I was quite impressed by the innovative
cost savings of moving the hard drive mounting to a single slab of metal as opposed to building a complicated cage while
Offering other advantages such as improved airflow through the front because you got your friggin drive cage out of the way and the fact
That it still holds enough hardware. Are we gonna see anything else like that?
Yeah, okay, so then now I have to do the typical disclaimer that they cannot talk about products and they
But yeah, if you look at the rest of our product line, I think you can kind of see what we tend to do
I mean we take
you know, we design our cases we take feedback from our customers and from our fans and
You know, we help we use that to help us build new products because I mean obviously that's who we're designing the stuff for
at the end of the day
So I would say I wouldn't be surprised at all. If you saw something like that as far as timeframe
No, I don't know. Have I seen anything internally? No, I have not
Okay, the core 1000 has been incredibly popular for us and it makes you look tall
So, I mean we got to keep her up. Thanks. I mean the thing about the core 1000 is keeping it within that price range
I don't know how much really could be improved
We I mean you do get some of that right?
I mean, it's like oh we can add this we got that the next thing, you know, it's like the core 1000 at $69.99
It's like okay that kind of just went the opposite direction where the case was at
So and functionality wise I mean it works very well, especially in its intended market
So well, you guys have so much margin anyway that you should be able to sell core 1000s for twenty twenty dollars
You know sixteen ninety nine anyway, so, you know according to those
We got a lead on some guys that we're gonna buy five hundred of them. So we just
Worked out for both of us. Oh terrible
Linus tech and Josh. Do you think there will be an all-in-one boutique system made custom for some rich people?
I'm gonna let you go first
an
all-in-one
Yeah, so when it comes back to the boutique side of things, you know, I guess what I was
When I was doing it was like the cross between like a boutique and a modern, you know, cuz people
Back in the day, you know, like when you were young. Yeah, exactly, you know when you were making cases out of stone
It's like people didn't come in the motherboard like we had ourselves, you know walk uphill both ways and all that sort of crap
But I mean legitimately it's like there weren't a whole lot of features like that. So
You try to tailor it as much as you could to your intended audience
All in ones get a little tricky though. I mean there's it's
It's a very difficult form factor to deal with. It's very difficult to
Basically the investment that goes into designing an all-in-one
Necessitates that you sell a buttload of them and yeah, you basically not got a proprietary design
It's like why don't you design your own laptop is about where it's at
Pretty much. So unless like Steve Wozniak decides to build one like for himself. I
Don't think it's likely to happen now. I did see a gigabyte prototype and I think it was compute X
Yes, maybe was that CES that was an all-in-one that allowed
Aftermarket graphics card upgrades with like standard PCI Express graphics cards
They had like a 580 or something stupid in it at the time and I was like, whoa, that's kind of crazy
But other than that, I haven't really seen much and I really don't think anything like that will ever be wildly successful
Yeah, plus me the people are gonna pay that amount of money
For something custom aren't at least in my experience when we were doing they weren't so much concerned about the form factor
It was more here's what I want to do or I want to trick it out and have this custom paint job on it
I want to have more of like a look to it, but not so much a form factor
All right. Here we go. Josh. What did you major in in college? Oh
Let's see here. Did I go to college?
Other than modeling I'm majoring that every day. I wake up first thing I do is I mean, well, I'm awesome
But yeah, I'm pretty much awesome all day
Now in college believe it or not
And if you watch the first live stream is on you got a little bit of hint of this
I actually majored in criminology and criminal justice and then I kind of accidentally pepper sprayed a bunch of people
Which actually was was kind of related to my major so so that's all
that's like me saying that I
like
Broke my mom's laptop and that's somehow related to my job
You don't have a job, man
I mean you just kind of sit there and then like you get all pouty when someone argues with you and then you change subject
I
Think we're gonna move on to actually
Hey, I have a job my job is difficult reaching stuff on the top shelf Wow
Oh, I didn't hurt feelings today and he goes to the live stream doc and he searches for a new job
Yeah, let me pick something that gummy Josh doesn't know anything about
What do you think of for idiom?
usage in
Last for ponies
I don't want to talk anymore. Oh
Oh slick you got to give it to me if I got Linus to be quiet that is like
That is quite impressive. We should probably have a separate like lower third animation that like can put a little crown on him
That's like achievement unlocked. I'm gonna badge badge on the forum Oh
Silenced Linus and it can be like one of the like the silence icons from a video game like was actually able to silence Linus
badge award for
Adding awards on our forum speaking of me not having they're done. They're mostly done. Oh good work
Well, he was called to win speed. I installed it. He distributed. All right was a huge job. So, thank you
It's me speaking of fist bumps. Yay is
Apparently getting sued for shutting down the servers for games that they're not really running anymore
so this was posted on the forum by each on doe and the article is from tech dirt and
basically
What's happening is
Justin Bassett claims he bought several sports themed games for Xbox 360 for about fifty nine ninety nine each
Relying on electronic arts representation that the games were enabled for unlimited online play
But the games were available for only a limited time
He says had the plaintiff known at the time he would not be able to play the products online for a certain amount of
Time he would not have purchased the products or paid the price he paid for the products
Who
Side are we on here?
Should they have to run servers forever? Should they not I'm unlimited
No, not necessarily unlimited
But the amount of time that EA does run servers is not very acceptable because it's a such incredibly short amount of time now
that this
Document didn't actually state anywhere specifically on it unless it's in the huge 24 page something or other legal document
Yeah, one page to be alone
You might be somewhere in there exactly how long the particular games that he's talking about lasted
But it is very very short period time what he's asking for I believe is a minimum of three years
Which is not a lot to ask for a game
Halo halo 1 was like
quite over hill 2 sorry was quite a while like right quite a long time and
Ness was supported for 24 years like that's too much to ask in my opinion
Ask for 24 years
But you should also be able to ask for more than one or two years
And I think what they were also asking is that EA should disclose
What the window is you can't say unlimited if it's gonna be a year or two
Josh what do you think the solution is here?
Yeah, good question, right?
I mean, I do see both sides of it like, you know indefinite support is not something not gonna ask for but then yeah
Getting shortchanged like well, you know
You bought that last Tuesday and didn't sell the way we thought it would and we want to reallocate that team
So you have till next Thursday to play your game. Yeah, I don't know
I mean, I don't know what the answer is it but yeah, I think like like three years something like that
I think that's feasible
I mean if you look at the investment that you put into it
Like what what do you expect the life cycle of the game to be especially the sports game?
Where you know, I guess replay is a lot higher. You know, you're not looking incredibly high. Yeah
So it's one of those things where it's not like oh, I beat the storyline or I'm tired of going out and just you know
Doing raids or whatever else. I don't know. I mean, but I can rest assured whatever EA does you guys don't like it?
You know what? I think the solution that I would be happy with is
EA running their own servers
For however long they want allowing other people to do so afterwards and allowing third-party servers to be hosted because that's the thing
We've got a lot of the twitch chat going like
Counter-strike still running battlefield bad company to still running quake still running all this stuff still running and it's like well
Yeah, because the community is allowed to keep it running
That's the problem with EA's closed platform when it comes to server hosting
Is that the game runs for as long as they kind of sit there and go like, yeah
And this time it's not just an EA problem just this EA getting sued
So it got into our dark is one of the worst offenders because they're doing yearly releases on their titles
I mean if Blizzard had released, you know 16 star crafts by now
I'm willing to bet Starcraft 1 support would have fallen away at some point
Whereas Blizzard releases so few titles the overhead is especially because a lot of their older
Library is old-ass games where the overhead is much lower. So so there's all of that
but EA
Backs themselves into this corner where realistically if they were fully supporting with a battle net like infrastructure
Every single sports game they've ever made for a period of like 10 years
Would it really take that much though?
It wouldn't not take that much because even things like security patches security patches. You'd have to have teams working on them
That's a good point. The security patches point is very good, but hosting the infrastructure
Okay, that I don't think is the problem the problem is the overhead yeah
Yeah people working on it stuff like that and that's interesting and yes
I understand and like I said, yeah is not at all the only company that has done this and had problems with it
Yeah, but it's just obviously they're a huge company. They're gonna come up in our dock. But yeah every week every week
In other news EA actually did something really good. Yeah, I'll bring this one up
a
Little bit really good. It's it's down a little bit from the other one. It's silly guys
What's I hate to bail, but I got a role. All right. Thank you for joining us Josh. You've been a fantastic guest
Let us know in the twitch chat
I'm actually gonna start asking twitch chat to rate all of our guests on a scale of one to five
Start with Josh
Models do not always get highly rated when they are like, you know sex toy models because those pictures are gross, dude
You didn't know what kind of modeling Josh does
Yeah, I'm telling you there did I but you know, I found out
Just cuz gentle eyes just cuz you go Photoshop. I don't know what posters you got on your wall
You know, I tell you what the next time that I do the live stream cuz I will be back
In person and then I can turn around and look at your I guess
Homage to text syndicate behind you there. Hey, it is always right outside the frame at all times
You know how Logan's always joking about he could potentially not be wearing pants. I could potentially have lewd photos of
You Logan slick and every other industry affiliate that I've ever talked to just out of frame
Right here right here guys, and I could potentially not be wearing pants. Peace Josh
Thanks for joining us and we'll see you again soon. So that's cool. I'll see you guys later. Thanks for having
All right
So why don't we move on to our next topic which is that EA sucks a little bit less a little a little bit less
I don't give them that much credit for this. No neither. Do I that's why I keep on saying a little bit
Where is it? Yes, okay
I couldn't find it because it was hiding it the the the title of the article was EA did something good
Which was I wasn't looking for that even so so EA this was posted on the Linus tech tips form by user lightning
Thank you very much for that
EA raises
$18,000 for AIDS research more than 80 staffers took part in the event
Which is a 10 kilometer fundraising walk-a-thon
The money will go to the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and 50 other AIDS service organizations throughout the Bay Area
it was important to be involved etc, etc, etc, and
Yeah, they match the employees contributions, okay, that's what they do so they match the employees contributions
which
totaled
$18,000 but you're EA
Yeah, I mean to me this is kind of like you know, sorry, I can't possibly say it's bad
No, because it's good. It's not a bad thing, but it's like
This doesn't make up for if I don't I don't know. Maybe this is a yearly thing, whatever
Maybe this has just been going on forever
But if this was an attempt to like buy back some of the hate like dude, you're really far off
You should have made a bigger splash. Yeah, it's kind of like it just seems kind of hollow
Like, you know when a
Celebrity gets diagnosed with some disease and then they donate millions of dollars to the foundation. That's trying to kill it
Yeah, and then when it's something that doesn't affect them personally
It's just like they tweet about it or whatever that to me is what this kind of feels like where it's like
Yeah, you could have done more but I don't want to criticize because the reality of it is
Dollars still very good thing. So I'm happy that EA did this me and if it's a yearly thing
Then it's just probably something that's been going on forever. And it's not a huge deal. It's just part of the company
That's very cool. If this was an attempt to like make people like them more than dude
You missed the mark by quite a bit. So I would like to know more about the story, but good job EA
Thank you for donating to raids raids research raids research. No, I think you're thinking of blizzard
I
Mean I just say AIDS research we're on fire today
All right. Let's talk about the lab-grown burger because I totally think this is awesome
So this actually is sort of in line with the conversation that we were having about building an all-in-one
That's a like a boutique grade all-in-one computer when you only build a couple of them something that is by definition boutique
It is extremely expensive. So this is an article from digital trends
unsurprisingly says the headline the
$300,000 lab-grown burger so this was made using
3d printing technology as well as
Simulated meat that was grown as opposed to actually hold on. No. No, this one does use 3d printing or doesn't I know there's something else
So yeah 3d printed lab-grown burger
To build what should be nutritionally and in theory taste wise
Beef. Yeah, so it's it cost three hundred and thirty one thousand two hundred dollars to produce. No one liked it and
It's kind of insane. So here's the tweets from the the BBC
correspondent
Hanny says she expected texture to be softer. It's close to meat but not juicy
There's no fat in the burger. So tasters say not the right flavor
both tasters want ketchup
The lack of fat marbles means that the lack of savory overindulgent finish that we've come to enjoy
That's a direct quote almost direct quote from the article is it's not there
We like that we like that juice and it's not salt and that it's all those good things
And this is a health focused 3d printed burger. Yeah
I'm sure if they see another thing is if you look at the picture, there's
Bun patty tomato lettuce
Yeah, they probably could have dressed up a little more
Put ketchup on it. This is kind of a fun article
I don't know if you read this but they've got other ridiculously expensive foods that you could have bought instead. So
331 gold-nopulant sundaes, which is like expensive chocolates gold-covered almonds chocolate truffled candies fruits and topped with a 23 karat
Edible gold leaf you can get diamond encrusted sushi. You could get three hundred and thirty one thousand two hundred McDonald's cheeseburgers
Which would kill you. Yeah
I mean, yeah
Whatever. All right moving on to our next thing. John Carmack joins oculus as the CTO
so we were talking last week I think about how Nvidia is making their own virtual reality headset and
Some thought that was like a weird prototype
prototype thing and all that kind of stuff
But some some interesting thoughts came up people talking about maybe more mature companies
We're gonna step in and just blow up the field
I saw a lot of comments about this in different places and people were worried that oculus might get run over
He's would pioneer the whole thing and then just get completely run over John Carmack steps in everything changes
Oculus rift is now that mature company. It like doesn't matter anymore. The credibility is there just I mean like
Okay, when you're when you build the prototype that works your credibility goes like this
Oh, yeah
When valve is all like got their panties all wet about what you're doing your credibility goes like this
John Carmack is one of those guys that could actually sit at a round table with someone like Gabe Newell and talk shop
so when he
legit joins your company as the
CTO then your credibility goes like you get one of those big iterations of credibility that he's just talking about
And what's great about him is he's one of those guys that again
this is the credibility conversation where it goes beyond his technical skill because a lot of
Truly visionary guys. I mean, I think Steve Wozniak's a great example, which will help segue into our next topic
where they're
visionaries and their geniuses and they're brilliant but I mean you put them in front of a camera or you try to like talk to
them and you're kind of like
They can be I mean and was is a lot better particularly these days, I mean his Big Bang Theory appearance was awesome. Yeah, but
Having someone who's as eloquent as John Carmack, he's a great interviewee. He's fantastic. I'm not as amazing
Yeah, he's so good. I mean we could just sort of like, you know
wank off John Carmack for the rest of this show I think and
Both of us would enjoy it. I don't know that he would John if you're watching. I'm sorry for saying that
That was totally inappropriate, but you're awesome
And I'm very excited that he's now the CTO of Oculus Rift because I'm super stoked to get it
Everyone else is super stoked to get it and this just makes me much more confident
I mean future of gaming guys future of gaming seriously
That's extremely exciting speaking of which I wanted to bring up something that I didn't have a chance to talk about last week
Oh, I said I was gonna segue into
Into the the jobs movie. Is this better than that? I think maybe okay, let's do it
Our our old things that people tried to make and
Fail that brutally now becoming things that make tons of sense in it
What's super excited about like the power glove turning into peregrine a virtual boy turning into oculus rich
I never replied to an email from peregrine. You probably should crap
They were gonna know cuz I reached out to them about getting a sample so that we could so we could check it out and
Showcase it. I'm gonna email you right now so that you remember
Because I think he said he said no initially because they didn't have any they didn't have any budget for it or something like that
But then I think he reached out to me again
So for those of you guys who haven't heard of it the peregrine glove is I'm just gonna load it up here the peregrine home
Let's go ahead and fire this up. All right, so there talk about power glove versus peregrine. So power glove is
They're actually very different
But the idea of having a controller strapped to your hand and or arm in some way is still inherent in peregrine
So what you do is you have your controlling thumb and you touch different points on your fingers to the contacts on your thumb
On your thumb, so there's contacts along each one of your fingers and you touch it to your thumb
And then those are bound to buttons on your keyboard so you can essentially play games with just your hand, which is interesting
Enables different my favorite thing about it is if you have special disabilities, it can help you a lot
Now you tried it you didn't like it that much initially
I tried it. I didn't like it that much initially because what I was trying to do was and one of the problems is
Certain pieces of hardware will not demo. Well, you have to use it for a while. I actually get used to it
So I sit down try and play dota with this thing and I'm trying to quickly press all the buttons
By tapping my fingers together and it just felt weird because my natural
Muscle memory is not to tap my fingers together when I want to press
Pwer
Right. I'm not having my fingers together
So I'd run up to someone to fight and then instinctively my hand would like go down
So I'm like tap on the keyboard then to be like no wait
I have to press then I'd have to remember like which one was which and it it wasn't twitch and it wasn't instinctive
But if you play with it for a while, it could be twitching instinctive
So I would be interested to play with it for like a day instead of a five-minute demo that I got at PAX a few
Years back, right?
So I didn't like it and
I don't necessarily think you could be as fast because on a keyboard all your fingers will be resting on those keys
But okay, hold on. Hold on think about this for a minute
Okay
Oculus combining I know exactly peregrine and then something like leapfrog. Yep
Combining everything together all these technologies coming in at one is gonna make them all stronger
Omni needs other things to be awesome
Oculus doesn't necessarily need other things to be awesome, but raises up so much when you add other things to it. So, I don't know
So for the fourth time
We are attempting to record the back half of this show
Which I think is actually going to kill
Me and or slick at some point here because between the technical difficulties with the initial stream and
Then the fact that we thought we were recording and then we weren't and then we thought we were recording again
And then we weren't because I think that was my bad that time because I think I clicked livestream and our internet is still down
Okay, and then livestream usually does both so you thought it would be fine. So I did like I was on autopilot
I very rarely use the local record feature because oh
Because this is supposed to be a live show
But it's not
Apparently so back to Ashton Kutcher back to Ashton Kutcher
Anyway, we left off with the peregrine where the clip just kind of dies and basically we're excited because peregrine
Is a glove that you can use to interact with your computer and with not a keyboard and that plus leap motion is cool
And that plus oculus is cool and the way it all integrates is gonna be cool things that are cool Ashton Kutcher
I'm sorry, but punked wasn't cool 70 show was cool
But dude, that was an awful long time ago. And this is a gizmodo article on was
Basically saying in an email. That's kind of not how it happened. Yeah, so it's all I
Want to jump in right away on something that it took me a while to remember before
But in spite of the fact that it's in your notes for this topic
You said it the first time you said it the second time almost forgot the third time within the fourth time
I'm opening with opening. Okay, hit me go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley
It's an amazing movie and is a really good accurate portrayal of the beginning of both Microsoft and Apple
So if you want all the starting of it go back watch that movie. It's an older movie. It's still really good
This has some Hollywood ness going on and I mean there's like this scene in an underground parking lot where jobs is like
Was don't you see it's the future of computing. Holy crap, man
Oh my god, we're gonna change the world and from was is sort of interpretation
And he seems to be a pretty grounded guy with no real incentive to lie about things at this point
not close
We never had such interaction and roles
I'm not even sure what it's getting at
Personalities are very wrong. Although mine is closer
Don't forget that my purpose was inspired by the values of the homebrew computer club
So these ideas that of computers affecting society didn't come from jobs. They came from
The homebrew computer club they were widely spoken about there
Paraphrasing Steve Jobs came back from Oregon came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about the great social impact
His idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 to help people at the club build the computer
He wanted to make some money
yes, and
The lofty talk came much further down the road and I never looked like a professional we were both kids
Our relationship was so different than what was portrayed. I'm embarrassed
But if the movie is fun and entertaining all the better
In fact looking at the portrayal of jobs in the movie
Based on what I've read in the biography about him basically being a smelly hippie
Yeah that you wouldn't want like anywhere near your furniture or children
like it really seems like they've
Go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley. Okay there now we've done that topic
Let's move on to the next one that we're doing for the bloody fourth time
HTC one max I can't even remember is this was this did we do this before? I think we did this before before the
Okay, we did the felony thing before the bad thing
Console thing yeah console optimizations. Yes
John Carmack again, I swear we could talk about how awesome John Carmack is like forever. We just did we just did we have
We have now talked about how awesome John Carmack is forever all day all day. We've been talking about John Carmack. You're awesome
So basically the performance boosts
Oh this was posted on the forum by tech fanatic Matt Higby has come out and said the performance boosts
That they are achieving by optimizing their game for multi-core in order to port it to the PlayStation 4 are
already going to be able to affect the optimization of the PC version and planetside 2 is nothing if not a
poorly optimized
Single thread wound single thread only game
so
The thing about ps4 and Xbox one is that they might have eight core CPUs, but man they are not powerful course
No, they are like they are like if you know a vegetarian had bulimia and wasn't taking the proper
Supplements like dude, they've got no energy because they're you know, not supplement
They don't have a correct diet and they're not keeping their food. I don't know where I'm going with this
I'm tired. It has actually been a phenomenally long day and I didn't sleep till like 530
He's got a different way of describing those cores every single time
That was the best one. I think my best you've been worst
Anyway, the cores aren't very powerful. So for game developers to be able to leverage that power
We're talking but what we're talking cell processor all over again where it's that was way ahead of its time
And no one was able to really optimize it as a different architecture and there was a bunch of cores and I'd rather die now
They're x86. So it's like guys get your act together
Optimize this stuff and the PC will benefit as well, which is great because developers could rely on the PC to have these
Uber single thread cores and that's on both the Intel and AMD side
But these more mobile optimized low power consumption APU chips and these consoles unable to do it
Great because games like planets. I've had no real intention of updating the performance of their game who really cares
They're gonna maybe runs well enough. Yeah, it's fine. The people know how much they need to run planets
I'd so now they're optimizing it for the console and now it's just gonna make everything better. It's not a bad thing at all
Speaking of optimization. Wait, did we talk about kudos doomed? I have no idea what we talked about
Anyway, each on though on the forum skip this if we've already talked about it. I don't know
so
Oh
Man, basically AMD shots fired Ron Taylor on AP use gaming in the end of CUDA
basically, the summary is CUDA is a closed standard gamers to
What's this? This quote is so awesome. Just fires. What everything? Yeah all the bullets it fizz out
Okay
So he's talking about fizz X but because there's a parallel being drawn between fizz X and CUDA and that they're both closed standards
Unlike open CL fizz X is an utter failure because it's proprietary
Nobody wants it. You don't want it. I don't want it gamers. Don't want it analysts. Don't want it
So I think that pretty much that pretty much says it
I mean the thing about fizz X is that in the very beginning it was much more terrible than it is now
It was like this weird dedicated card that ran in a PCI slot of all things. I mean nobody really bought it
Yeah, if anyone needed to sort of you know work through their mind that it wasn't doing anything the fact that it ran in a PCI
slot
Meant that there probably wasn't much data transfer going on here. So it probably wasn't I mean that's an oversimplification
It could be doing a lot of work on its side and then spitting out results that don't require much bandwidth
But I'm just I'm kind of making fun of it
And then it got better when Nvidia acquired them and now anyone with an Nvidia graphics card was able to run fizz X
Accelerated kuda accelerated fizz X all that stuff, but at the end of the day, I think that I think he's right
I think open standards like open CL are going to be the future
I mean you look at even companies like Adobe what a major win that was
Yes, six running CUDA that might have just won it for them because okay open platforms and computers go together like nothing ever before
People love open platforms on computers. I
Trying to find a different way to say this than every single other time. I've said it
It's okay just go verbatim and they'll
There's paid which people aren't totally into on computers
Then there's free which is kind of a big deal then there's open which is on a completely different platform
Because the second you bring out open everyone can optimize it for their own
Usage and they can either deliver it for free or they can charge money
They can charge money for it depending on how they how they augment it
But when someone like Adobe backs it, you know that Adobe is going to probably be contributing in some way
Yes, and I mean the thing is that it's not like kudos dead no, it's certainly not dead today
I mean look at something like the Titan supercomputer any kind of specialized application where you're really good like
Specialized hardware and specialized programming languages may actually be optimal for an application like that where you are
Really dialing down into the hardware to get the absolute most out of it and your purpose building a single machine and purpose building
Software to run on it
But then again, maybe that's what Ron's talking about is
Maybe we shouldn't purpose build software and purpose because at the same time if you take an open platform
You can you can hack into it and change things to make it purpose built. Yes
So it's an open is opens great and that's basically what he's saying
So there you go
Yet another thing that that we something talked about before but now we're talking about again
Did we talk about 3d next flash yet? Ah
Yes, no, we didn't. Okay, Samsung changing the SSD game
Again with 3d vertical NAND flash. This is fantastic because
Samsung's already using really innovative strategies to bring more performance to SSD
So things like RAM caching with their rapid technology as well as that weird mode
Well, I don't even remember what they call it. But basically they're emulating
SLC flash operation on TLC flash in order to get a performance boost
That's temporary but very very real and something that many users will be able to realize a lot of the time
Now they're driving capacity
What how many layers is this 24 believe so there's is
Yes, 24 layers vertically. They can stack 24 layers of traditional styled flash
This was posted by muddy mucks on the forum by the way on top of each other's vertically to just oh your capacities are
So we're gonna be talking about smartphones that instead of coming in 16 32 and 64 gig
Like they have been since the dawn of bloody time. We might be talking about
384 gig smartphone. Oh
Yeah, I mean come on like iPad one had the same capacities available as iPad for which is
And you look at Apple. They actually are trying to drive things forward
Look at how quickly they launched iPad for after iPad 3 because we can we can build something more powerful. So here it is
Does it bone people who just bought an iPad 3 a little bit? Oh, I don't know maybe but
Here's a higher resolution display because we can here's a more faster processor because we can and I think if they could deliver higher
Capacities while maintaining their lucrative product profit margins. They would this will enable it. So yay
Stack and stuff find another topic go go
Nvidia tablet market thing. Yes. Yeah Nvidia diving into tablets beyond Nvidia shield, which hopefully ours is going to arrive soon
So what we were discussing was how Microsoft tried to dive into tablets and it was a very very bad thing
very very bad thing and how while this is dangerous and I think jumping into the tablet game at this point in time is
Borderline suicidal posted by Talha on the forum, by the way, there's a maximum PC article that we're gonna go to
It's it's borderline suicidal
but if someone's gonna do it it might as well be Nvidia because they're gonna gain some experience from their shield and they're gonna get
More developers looking into building that style of Android game not necessarily touchscreen Android
Yeah, and then they're gonna come up with the tablet and that tablet will probably like here
Controllers whatnot like it's it's gonna be tiger 5 it's gonna be gaming
And I mean you look at what they're doing on the software side as well
It's more than just the hardware with these guys lately
And I mean that's what it is funny because that that article has a link or has a picture of the razor edge
And that's another company that's trying to differentiate based on not only
Hardware, but also software so you look at what they're doing with comms, which by the way guys
We are powered by razor comms download it here. If you haven't already try it out. It's free
It's voice chat software that doesn't require any kind of server or any kind of complicated setup, and anyway
That's what Nvidia is doing shadow play geforce experience. It's more than just FPS now
Yeah, yeah, and the built-in h.264 encoding in Kepler
May be a big part of this upcoming tablet
I fully expect them you said those the picture of the razor tablet and yeah
But I fully expect them to have some type of controllers
Oh, yeah
I wouldn't be surprised at all probably similar to that style or something like that so and I mean with h.264 encode
Like with shield you're able to use a Kepler grade GPU to push to it, and it can decode it
Yeah
But this is an older architecture now at this point whereas if we have a Kepler based on the tablet
now all of a sudden standards like wide I think
All right, I mean come on who's the put up your hand if you actually used wide eye at some point other than at work
No, so I'm not gonna put up my hand so okay. Why die you know you look at devices like Chromecast
We might be looking at with built-in hardware encoding ways to stream
much higher bit rate much higher quality video streams with dumb dongles on the other end and
By the time that rolls around we might have a next-generation Chromecast or something like that. That's perfect. That's a perfect match for it
Yeah, definitely
Extremely exciting so if anyone's gonna pull it off probably Nvidia probably Nvidia, so it's still crazy
Yeah, it's still insane, but they could do it which is cool
Was that all we did before
We had the radio
9970 rumors, so this is the volcanic Islands series of GPUs which is sort of appropriate because
Permerses post on the forum the rumor is the 9970 will have a 300 watt PTP
Which actually if that's true? I can't imagine. That's true that should exceed the PCI Express standard
I believe I thought it was 275 max. That's interesting. I didn't think about that. I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but anyway
Huge TDP. This is the rumored card the codename is Hawaii. There's also a rumor that they're gonna launch it in Hawaii
It's like a special press event that would be kind of cool
Prepare your water blocks. Oh seriously here I did
We've talked a few times about how water cooling up being as big of a deal as it was before on graphics cards
It's becoming a bigger deal. Hello. Yeah, exactly
Titan this speaking of Titan the rumored performance is that it'll be around 5% faster than Titan
So while we can't confirm or deny the rumors because we actually don't know there's oh wait
There's a lot of stuff in here about specs, so they're claiming 1 gigahertz clock speeds with
4,000 shader units
Effective memory clock of anywhere from 6 gigahertz to 6 7 gigahertz 512 bit bus 4 gigs of DDR 5 gddr 5 memory
I
Guess it's kind of in line with
Even though we can't confirm or deny
Kind of in line with what AMD's been doing it makes sense they slash pricing on the 79 90
Got that driver out slash pricing. I don't know if you saw net linked, but there was a 79 70 for like 329
Which is pretty cheap, so it is pretty yeah
It's looking like they're adjusting pricing in their product stack to make room for these before they even arrive
So
Yeah, it could be a very exciting time for graphics cards over the next little bit here
This cards have been really exciting for a little bit
And AMD has been kind of doing things a little differently like coming out and saying no new
GPUs this year and then just and then releasing one like immediately with the 77 90 I
Was a different architecture, and then like it's like September
Which is last time I checked in the same calendar year as like February when they were saying this I
Says pardon so guys
What does your year start yo dogs? I heard you like sort of
Throwing everyone off a cliff in terms of how closely they're able to follow along with what you're doing exactly over there
I mean, I guess it's good because you know you don't want your competitor getting the drop on you or anything like that, but
Which normally it seems like everyone does but in this case not necessarily yeah, yeah, yeah
All right, why don't we tackle one more topic before we do build of the week?
And then we can sign off for the fourth bloody time on this
Here why don't we do something that we skipped last time Microsoft digs more holes for its console?
Don't
Those movies crashed as badly with the fourth installment as the X I wish it was the fourth Xbox wouldn't that be great I
Love Harrison Ford and Indiana Jones as much as anyone
But speaking of which Harrison Ford is apparently going to be in the new Expendables movie
Really yeah, Bruce Willis was asking for a million dollars a day
they offered him three million for four days and he held out and
Stallone replaced him within 72 hours with on his Twitter
He was like a better actor a nicer guy
And then he said something on Twitter about how like being lazy and greedy is a bad career move or something like that
Well, this is supposed to the whole idea of Expendables was to they were just screwing around was it not
The first movie was terrible, so they couldn't have possibly been trying to make a serious movie
It was supposed to be just like everyone getting back together
We're kind of getting older now, it's kind of the end of our careers, let's just make a movie and have fun
That's I read that and then here. We are three movies into the
Whatever. I refused to watch the second one based on how terrible the first one was I don't think it's for you. I
Think they're having fun on their own
DLF posts on the forum. This is this is a an article from one hit pixel. Oh, this is just terrible
Cuz game streaming is such a big thing and you look at companies like twitch where we stream art where we do our live stream and
Everyone's trying to figure out how to cash in on game streaming
Microsoft apparently thinks the method to cash in is going to be to require users to pay for Xbox Live
Gold one thing is if people are probably going to be streaming multiple games
Just to be completely honest if you're playing a multiplayer game you have Xbox gold anyways okay that much is true
I'm gonna play devil's advocate although. I will okay although I will never ever mark my words
Sign up for a subscription based
Server it's not gonna happen so you're not so I won't sign up for a pay-per-month MMO
I know, but I mean even on PC. I won't sign up for a pay-per-month MMO
I'm not gonna. I don't support that model
It's a I don't like that model free-to-play is getting kind of gross lately though dedicated servers
Dedicated servers are what I want and no I don't I don't I don't think free-to-play is necessarily the right way to go either because
there's a lot of pay to win, and there's a lot of
What I think it was Logan that was talking about just sort of the general level of trolling
Stupiditude that goes on with with free-to-play no barrier of entry. I think it's not necessarily great either, but
Yeah, anyway, so I
mean
Imagining paying for an Xbox live gold membership to me is like if you guys all just refused to pay for it
It would go away. It would be free
They do need people to buy the consoles, and they do need people to buy the games, but everyone just kind of keeps doing it
Sorry go ahead. I'm just the same time Sony had it free. I didn't like it
So the most obvious they had to make it paid so they could fund it more had to is an awfully strong way
Keep shareholders happy, and if they didn't their company could close
When you're publicly traded company you have to do certain things
Okay, fine and and as now this is just something that I scraped up right before the stream started
So please correct me if I'm wrong in the comments
But as far as I know you can record
But not necessarily upload through the PlayStation if you don't have PlayStation Plus or whatever it's called, okay
But it makes a ton of sense that you could just take that file and upload it off your computer
Oh wait no it says right here Sony's share feature for PlayStation 4 allows users to record and upload up to 15 minutes of footage
And is not restricted to PlayStation Plus users record and upload okay? Yeah, so Microsoft says
Allows gold members to record up to five minutes of in-game footage for editing and upload to the Xbox Live service
That's that's the thing too. They can apparently edit it on the Xbox
Why would you want us? Why would what who records a five-minute recording and then edits it on their Xbox?
I mean this is how out-of-touch Microsoft is I saw that and I was like oh cool. You can edit it terribly
It's just gonna suck all you're gonna be doing is cutting it and it won't be that great
I mean looking at how much worse they managed to make Windows Live movie maker than the original Windows movie maker
The original Windows movie maker as far as I have been told wasn't even that bad. No it wasn't that bad
Yeah, Windows Live movie maker isn't even that bad, but it isn't as good as the old one. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway
We should all just go back to that awesome game 3d movie maker
That thing was awesome. You're too. You're too young for that game, but it was awesome
I can't believe it's five minutes anyway
I still don't think this is gonna prevent you from capturing via HDMI using something like an Averme V a live gamer
Portable or something like that my understanding is Microsoft hasn't said that they're going to be enabling
HDCP whereas I believe Sony is still holding to the
HDCP enabled outputs on ps4 just like they did with ps3 so it's not like Sony is perfect on all of this by any stretch
of the imagination
All right, all right
Now to build the looks gone. We have a few more time
Yeah, we do kind of have a few more CBS blocks online subscribers from watching their con content if they use Time Warner
This is like totally not okay, nope to put it in sort of the most
This is posted on the forum by each on doe
holy
crap
In response to Time Warner cutting off access to CBS and a few major markets today CBS has retaliated against Time Warner internet
Subscribers by blocking access to popular CBS shows currently available to watch on cbs.com
this my friends is an abuse of power and is
Nothing to do with the way that the internet should be working
Internet service for I mean, we're not even talking traffic shaping anymore. We're talking about outright
That's my competitor and I want people who support my competitor to be punished punishing your customers
Or anyone else's customers punishing the customer. Is it?
I'm just mad
basically
Screwing over your customer in any way screwing over anyone in any way should not be allowed and this is directly screwing over someone that
Is feeding you money? It's not okay and
this
Time Warner representatives are calling it CBS has moved as an abuse of power
Specifically stating CBS has shown an utter lack of regard for consumers by blocking Time Warner cables customers
Including our high-speed data only customers. So not even a cable TV competitor
From accessing the shows on their free website
CPS enjoys the privilege of using public owned airwaves to deliver their programming. They should not be allowed to abuse that privilege
It's getting real y'all
Everything with different ISPs is getting nuts right now. I hope that they you know what?
I almost hope that they abuse it that they abuse their power as much as they possibly can get away with
So that they get crushed so that there isn't so that the government can't just kind of you know
Be like, well, it's not that bad yet. We're just good
Just crush, you know what?
I hope that it gets to the point where a third of the subscribers in the u.s
can't access a third of the other websites because it's not being served over someone's pipe or someone's butthurt because
Someone else's hub is you know has been with being using I hope that they get that petty about it
So that this all just goes away
That is what I hope because otherwise I don't think it'll go away. No, probably not
All right, why don't we call that it let's do build logs of the week which conveniently I already have downloaded because
we've already done this so I'm just gonna have to find the download and
We are starting with the aqua dreamer
boom
Beautiful, it's just like last time
Just gonna say it's kind of weird doing this again because usually it's it's it's first usually fairly first impressions for you
Yeah, and I haven't seen my PowerPoint other than just stretching the image and going for gold. So
It looks it looks very nice one thing that you brought up the first time
He's got four fans going in some crazy awesome wind tunnel. Yeah. Yeah, the four fans here
It's like fan one fan to fan three fan four and it's just like whoosh
All the air but it shouldn't be loud because those are fan text fans. Those are quite nice fans
He's gone. He's got white white LED strips going all the way around the outside of his case, which looked great
God, yes, and he has awesome awesome sleeving on everything and a lot of nice custom spray-painting
painted graphics card shrouds painted SLR crossfire bridge rather
You had brought up the first time around that it was supposed to originally be a water-cooled bill
But it kind of looks like it's underwater. Anyway, that's a nice night shot. Yep
It's hard to get nice night shots, but it looks it looks great there. He did a really really good job with this system
All right. Speaking of nights. This one's nuts these photos that we have here are in his basically
It looks kind of like a pamphlet advertisement at the end. These are not his build log in progress photos
Highly suggest that you check out all the builds on the build log
There is so much back sweat going into this pillow at this point, but I think it's almost soaked all the way through
It smells awful like here
I want to talk about a Dragon Knight PC. Jeez
Wow, okay Paul Tan has been on build logs the week before he makes awesome incredible computers
I wouldn't be surprised at all. If he's selling this
Paulton of
Computer builders. Oh my goodness. Why don't we just go ahead and open this up Wow, just like last time. It's amazing
It's a cosmos to the front is gorgeous the sides got a window that's gorgeous and custom and holy crap
It gets better than that
My problem with the cosmos too is that it's big for no apparent reason
You can't actually put that much stuff in it, but it looks like he basically gutted it
So one thing that he's done if you notice right away is there's no IO coming out of the back of the case the back
Of the case is on the the right hand picture
So what he's done is rotated the motherboard 90 degrees and custom formed the computer to work well with that
So he's made an exhaust area on the back, which
Can't see a ton of details on there, but it has individual slanting down fins the Dark Knight. How much were you expecting to see?
Oh
Why are you trolling Paul's system because I love it so hard that's
That could be worse, um
Yeah, so he's done a ton of custom work for it
If you want to see his like artist rendering prototype designs before he started building and his whole
Huge amount of pictures build log, please check it out on the forum. Yeah, check out the build log section of the build logs forum
Build logs of the week section of the build logs forum
Okay, so
This system has actually been done for a while
I just have not been able to get Wayler to put it in the actual freakin build log section
So he finally did so we're finally showcasing it
This isn't necessarily something that's kind of along the lines of what we usually put on here gaming rigs
Yeah, not for gaming. Although with six PCI Express slots
At 32 octoron cores and
looks like up to whatever 8 by 16 would be so 8 times 10 is 80 and
Another 5 is 40. So that's 100 probably what a hundred and fifty six gigs of memory or something stupid like that
Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, potentially. So as long as the board actually supports it
Like my SSD and my laptop isn't that big
And we're talking RAM
Wonder if that board supports it. Um
Yeah, so click next it might should even support more than that because if you throw some registered dims in there
I think there are 16 gig registered dims
Sexy
Heatsinks dot RAM
Yep, got custom rack. I was just that rack
Wow
So he commissioned to this rack. It's you can you can get custom design racks from I don't remember the guy's name
They're plastic surgeons that do that
This guy doesn't with aluminum
Aluminum custom design racks. That is some space-aged
Rack armor, maybe that explains chicks and video games
right
That's why their boobs are so big because armor they fight because they it's for leaving on the inside
Because they padded the bra because they have poor self-esteem
Then they had to wear armor and then there's clothing over top
Solved that mystery
What now ESRB
Anyways, sorry, we've done this a lot
Had to make it interesting somehow this is a freaking awesome build and I'm super stoked that way they did it and this is
Purely for folding as far as I know
I don't think he does anything with this system other than fold and they get some like monstrous number of I think it's
350,000 PPI or PPD PVD I think it's ridiculous
I mean whalers far and away the biggest contributor to the Linus tech tips for unfolding team, dude
You're awesome, and I think that pretty much wraps it up for the land show this week
Thank you for tuning in or I don't know. It's not live anymore. So thanks for watching the archive
Thanks for watching the archive yo
peace
Hopefully work this time