What's up, everyone?
Welcome to the WAN Show.
We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.
Of course, one of the big topics is it's the end of an era.
This is officially my last day
as the CEO of Linus Media Group,
which is both a little hard to process
and really exciting.
So I can talk a little bit about that.
Maybe we'll do some Q&A since I still haven't done
that full-blown excuse of Q&A.
Sorry, sorry, I will do it.
Maybe you shouldn't do Q&A because of that.
YouTube is now offering you a stellar deal.
Free, free videos if you've got ad blocker enabled.
And after that, you're blocked, you're done.
We're gonna be talking about this as well.
What else we got, Luke?
I should have been more prepared for this as per usual.
We launched a new channel.
You've been sitting there for an hour and a half
waiting for me.
I didn't think of which two topics
you wanted to talk about.
No, I didn't.
Even if I do though, you take them.
So game linked, new channel launched.
Actually great, already exploded.
Gonna get a silver play button already.
Going well, the first video is number six on trending.
It's awesome.
I'm excited.
You should be too.
Moving on, we have other things.
I'm gonna pick this one.
I have no idea what it's about.
Hashtag milk gate.
Wow, that's a really small topic.
Is it?
Sure, I guess we'll make sure to address it.
Oh, okay, I see what it is now.
I'm actually extremely not interested in that.
So I'm gonna move forward.
Oh, here we go.
I love it.
An AI topic.
Game publisher fires staff, hires AI editor.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go, Dan.
I was also not prepared.
The show is brought to you today by Corsair, iFixit,
and Blackpoint Cyber.
So this is it.
Tomorrow.
Well, not tomorrow because tomorrow is Canada Day,
statutory holiday.
Do you have a hat too, Luke?
Jessica, our WAN show writer,
provided us with Canada trucker hats to wear during the show
I'm not sure if mine is gonna last the whole show,
but it's very style and I am liking the sparkle.
So tomorrow is a statutory holiday,
but the day after that,
our new CEO, Mr. Taren Tong, will be starting.
It's not really a jarring,
okay, this day is the last day
and everything's gonna change.
It's not really gonna be like that.
I mean, there's gonna be a transition period.
He's not even going to be in office full time,
like five days a week until probably sometime next year,
just because of some integration challenges
and that sort of thing.
But this is it.
And I've had a lot of time to think about
what's gonna change,
but realistically what I would like to do
is kind of open it up to you guys for a little bit of Q&A,
not merch message, Q&A.
We'll get to merch messages later.
Of course, if you wanna ask questions,
you can do it with a merch message,
lttstore.com in the checkout.
You just fill out the little merch message box.
And then when you complete your order,
it'll go to our producer, Dan,
who I can't show you
because I don't have a stream deck in front of me,
but hey, there he is.
What's up, producer Dan?
And he will go through and curate some for me and Luke
to talk about later.
Man, the number of people that have asked me about it today,
I have to confess that this week has been so busy
and I have been feeling so crummy.
I think I'm just kind of jet-lagged
and wasn't sleeping enough for my trip to New York
that I actually didn't realize
until multiple people asked me how I was feeling today.
And I was like, pretty good.
I'm tired.
People don't ask me how I'm feeling today,
generally speaking.
I think they care.
I pay them to care or whatever, right?
Slash S, guys, I'm kidding.
But more than one person sort of went out of their way.
And then finally it was Mark, our editor, Mark,
who actually said, how are you feeling?
It's your last day as CEO today.
I'm like, oh, right.
There's definitely a few things that have changed already.
And I'd say the biggest one
is that when I don't want to deal with something,
I'm just CC'ing Taran and going,
when he starts, he can deal with this.
Have you encountered any of that, Luke?
No, but I have encountered running into problems
and just not even contacting you in the first place
and just talking to him directly
because that's what you told me to do.
Okay, then the system works.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
Has it been helpful?
Honest, honestly, honestly.
I want like, you know, we're doing this live, Luke.
We're doing this live.
He doesn't even get a chance to defend himself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I have appreciated the conversations.
I think we're actually quite aligned on a lot of stuff.
I've brought up some concerns and some ideas
and he's listening to the ideas.
I don't know that he's taking them.
He doesn't have to take them, whatever.
But he seems, you know,
invested in making things better, which is cool.
He seems to care and he's listening to stuff.
But part of the problem has been that he,
I mean, he's not full-time yet, right?
So he can't really action a lot of these items yet.
So I'm excited for him to be here full-time all the time
instead of like, every time I call him,
he's like in an airport or something.
So it'll be nice that he like actually has time
to dedicate to this.
So like, we'll see.
But at least from my point of view,
the process is already working.
There's been stuff where I've been like, this needs work.
And either I would bring it to you in the past
or sometimes just not even bother.
Cause I know you don't have the time to deal with it anyways.
But now there is like someone who that is their whole job
is to deal with some of these things.
So it's like, cool.
Kefuddled and Constantine 607 in float plane chat here
have both asked kind of similar questions.
How relieved are you that you can focus more
on what you find fun?
How much extra time do you feel that you'll get?
And I gotta say, I actually don't know right now
because I'm still making a lot of decisions.
I have extra side projects that are an additional drain
on my time right now.
For example, okay.
I was late for quite late for work one day this week
because I was, this is pretty exciting.
I was doing a walkthrough of the shell building
for the badminton center.
They're getting ready to hand over keys in about two weeks.
And we walked through the whole thing to kind of look
for any deficiencies and any of that kind of stuff.
It's not a CEO duty, that's for sure.
But it definitely took time
that I wasn't able to spend making videos.
I think that part of the challenge over the next little bit
is gonna be figuring out ways to use the little bits
of time that I'm freeing up from CEO stuff
to train the new CEO to kind of make decisions,
if not exactly like I would,
make decisions that I would agree with ultimately
at some point.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And I don't think that's gonna be a big problem.
And then the other thing is figuring out
how to smooth our production processes.
I've seen so much feedback from the community
about this transition that honestly is sort of confused.
And when I say confused, I mean that people are confused.
The day after we made the announcement,
actually I don't know if it was the day after
or a couple of days after,
but we uploaded a video building a $100,000 computer
to play Minecraft, right?
And the number of comments on that video
talking about how great it was to have Linus
with his energy back and just focusing
on what's exciting to him.
Guys, there were a bunch of delays, okay,
from the various parties that were involved in that video.
It was shot literally two to three months prior
to when we uploaded it.
We actually hadn't even got a signed job offer
from Darren yet.
So there's a lot of people kind of seeing
what they wanna see.
And in the same way, as we've gotten close to the deadline,
I've actually seen a lot of people talking about
how they're noticing like a difference in me,
like maybe I'm nervous about it or something.
I'm like, guys, not only are you operating
with a significant tape delay between when I film a video
and when you guys are seeing it,
but you're operating with a super inconsistent tape delay.
So if we go through the last handful of videos
on the channel,
here, I'm just gonna put a quick filter in here for views,
let's say greater than a million.
Arc Studio was a huge waste of money.
That was probably only about a three to four day turnaround.
That one was really fast because Riley really wanted
to get this channel launched.
And so we pushed, we made it happen.
The RTX 4060 review, that was like a three day turnaround,
but then we get into something like the, okay,
the $800 solid copper cooler.
That was probably two or three weeks.
Only you can fix GPU pricing, here's how.
That was about two weeks.
So it's all over, oh, the framework factory.
Man, that was, so we shot that at Computex.
That was two weeks as well.
And so it's just all over the place
and you can't read too much into it
based on the upload date is all I can really say.
Zero Point asks, as CEO,
does Taran have higher fire capacity over employees of LMG?
Meaning he could technically fire Linus
while Linus is the owner.
Okay, so that's a bit complicated
because while Taran is my boss and I do report into him,
as the primary shareholders,
Yvonne and I are also his bosses and can also fire him.
So if he tried to fire me,
I would need to hear a really strong argument for why.
I could be wrong about this,
but I think on paper he could absolutely fire you,
but then you could just fire him
and then hire yourself back.
Yeah, I could appoint myself as CEO.
Yeah, so like.
Which I really don't wanna do.
No, but it would be meaningless, right?
Like it doesn't matter, yeah.
John Nee asks, can you elaborate a little bit more
on why Taran and not someone else at LMG?
The honest truth,
and I know LMG people are gonna watch this,
so I better have a really good HR friendly answer.
Honest truth is not gonna be that great
and it's not gonna be that HR friendly,
but it is going to be honest.
The honest truth is that LMG is a super,
super young company.
Internally, I'm old and I'm gonna be 37 this year.
Like I am one of the oldest people on staff,
definitely top like five to 7%.
So think about that, right?
Who internally actually has the real world experience
being out there, seeing how things are done
and who would be able to come in
and approach this task with a balance
of doing things the way that Yvonne and I
are gonna feel is right and fair and just
and bringing new ideas to the table.
And there's just, you know, there's not a lot of people
that I would trust to take on that job.
And if not him, I was probably just gonna keep
doing it myself.
Cause the truth is it's not like I'm terrible at it.
I've set the strategic vision for this company
for 10 and a half years, right?
Like I'm, I clearly don't totally suck.
I do think there's some issues in regards to
there's this topic that comes up in business space,
which is like the CEO that gets you to 2 million
and the CEO that gets you to 20 million
and the CEO that gets you to 200 million,
all this kind of stuff.
Like they're very different people.
They're very different approaches, all that type of stuff.
I do think we have some of those problems
and like, regardless of who's steering the ship,
I'm excited about Taran coming in
because I think he might be able to bring better approaches.
I think a lot of our stuff is stuck in the like
earning 2 million range, which doesn't work
at our company size anymore.
So I think there's things that like his experience
at some of these big companies, Corsair, Dell, et cetera,
is gonna be very helpful for a bunch of people
who have been working within our own bubble for a decade.
We don't have the vision experience from outside sources.
I also don't think that it's gonna be
just all money-grubbing.
Just make more money, make more money, make more money.
Well, no, but you have to, to a certain degree
or else you can't keep the lights on and pay people.
So like there's like the give and take, right?
Yeah.
Like I had people internally asking me about that as well.
Like, hey, you know, when Taran comes in,
is the first thing he's gonna do gonna be to, you know,
turn off the snacks bigot?
No.
You know, is he gonna get rid of Summer of Fun?
Is he gonna cut back on perks and benefits
and stuff like that?
And I'm sitting here going, if anything,
my expectation is that Taran is running this
as an employee for the employees, right?
Yvonne and I are the ones who, if we save a dollar,
take it home at the end of the year, not Taran.
So if anything, if we give him the mission of be a human,
grow the company, but do it right.
Be kind, be fair, be not a monster.
I mean, that's one of the things that Yvonne and I say a lot.
You know, people will ask us about something
that's not technically policy or whatever else.
We'll just sit here and go, well, we're not monsters.
You know, like if someone doesn't have any time off left
or whatever, but something happens
that's not technically bereavement leave,
legally speaking, but is really awful.
We try to be real people, right?
So my expectation is that he will continue
to run the company that way.
And he will actually have less of a conflict of interest
when it comes to making financial decisions
because he will not be personally enriched
by saving a nickel for the company.
Regelier says, this is from Flowplane Chat,
don't forget Linus is an actor.
Don't kid yourself that you understand
exactly what he's feeling by the image you see on the screen.
I would say the closest that you guys get to real talk
is the land show, which is I think why you guys are here.
But yeah, obviously like I'm not lying to you.
I have integrity, but I am playing a character
to a degree in our videos.
Like when I do something, you know,
grossly negligent with a water cooling loop,
I know better, having some fun, just chill.
You know, it's okay.
And the funny thing is like, Luke,
I actually don't know anymore.
Am I an okay actor or am I not?
Because the community is all over the place on this one.
I have a hard time with this
because I think I've known you for too long.
So like I'll watch some video
and I'll be able to like see in your eyes
that you like don't care about the thing.
But all the comments are like,
well, it's so awesome that Linus is so into this thing.
And I was like, is he though?
I don't know.
Part of that though is you get to talk to me off camera.
Yeah.
And so you can extrapolate like,
well, he didn't care about the other six things
that are like this thing.
So this is probably not right.
Yeah.
But the funny thing is, I get more.
Oh, sorry.
I was just going to say, if I think about it more,
that might be an argument for you being a good actor
because the comments were convinced.
So like, yeah, I don't know.
I get more comments about what a bad actor I am
when I am not acting, honestly.
And I think part of it is that the average YouTube viewer
simply cannot tell the difference
between acting and not acting.
Like, what was that awful apology video this week
with the ukulele?
Even videos like that will typically have
like a greater than 50% like-dislike ratio.
We can't see it anymore,
but like the Suicide Forest video
had a greater than 50% like-dislike ratio.
Yeah.
Over half of people were like, this is a good apology.
Right?
So I'm looking at it going,
I think people just can't tell, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's probably true.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Rimwar asks, Linus, what about when you drop stuff?
Are you acting then?
Okay.
I am a bit of a butterfingers.
Yeah.
I-
Is that a hundred percent of the what's going on?
I make problems worse for myself
when I am in a hurry or I am inattentive.
And when I am hosting a video,
I promise you that most of my attention is somewhere else.
I'm thinking about what I'm saying now.
I'm thinking about what to say next.
I'm also thinking about where's my camera operator.
What zoom do they have on the camera right now?
So how is the shot framed?
Where is any co-host that's with me?
Are they talking?
Are they talking when they're not in the frame?
Is this something where I have a chance to stop?
And am I gonna remember exactly the intonation
so that I can stop the shoot,
have the camera turn, get that?
Or are they like in a weird spot
where they're like halfway out of frame?
I have a lot on my mind when I'm hosting a video.
And so that makes the problem worse.
Yeah.
And like the thing is,
even when you're reading a script, right?
There's a lot to think about.
There's a really good exclusive on FlowPlane.
You guys should go find it
because I didn't really realize
what I was doing at the time.
But the feedback on this video was so good
that I think based on the community's response,
I think it's worth watching.
But when Ryan Shrout and Tap,
Tom Peterson from Intel's graphics division were here,
I did a little coaching clinic on how to host.
And this is even with Ryan Shrout, who's hosted a lot.
And people were like, oh, that's really good.
That's actually really helpful.
So the point I'm trying to make is there's a lot on my mind.
And it's not always easy for you guys
to tell what's going on.
And sometimes I feel like people see what they wanna see.
So in our 4060 video,
you see how I'm completely not giving you a chance
to get in here and I'm deflecting to a different subject?
I was thinking about that the whole time I was talking.
So in our 4060 video,
the reason that my read of the A-roll was so crap
was that it was never intended to be used.
Our brilliant plan for that video
was that I would review the script
while I was on vacation in New York.
And then I would just record word for word
with the intonation and the pacing exactly like it would be,
but just on any piece of crap camera and microphone,
I would send that clip back to the editor
who could then integrate all the graphs and visuals
and all that stuff.
And then I was supposed to land back in the studio
Tuesday afternoon, which would give us time to reshoot it.
And then because it would be basically exactly the same,
plunk that onto the timeline, export,
and nobody's working too late that evening
because it was a Wednesday morning embargo.
Unfortunately, my flight was delayed by a lot,
by six hours and then another hour,
hour and a half on the tarmac.
And then, oh, this one killed me
because I was gonna be on time for badminton.
And then they slowed down in the air.
They slowed down from 1500 miles an hour
to 700 kilometers an hour to 750 kilometers an hour.
And the time to arrival went up by like 40 minutes.
And then the baggage dispenser got jammed.
Anyway, I made it, but I only made it for like the last half.
It was pretty annoying.
So that footage was never meant to be seen,
but then I've got people extrapolating
like all this stuff from it.
Like that I couldn't be bothered
or that I don't even care anymore
and I'm just reading whatever script
people put in front of me.
Like here, example.
Oh, that is completely the wrong folder.
Oh, that's the right folder, pending.
Nvidia RTX 4060 review.
So just to give you guys some idea
like how much I change things.
Here we go.
I think V3 is the one that I got.
Anyway, Luke, do you wanna talk about
what you wanted to talk about?
Cause I know you're not gonna drop it.
Oh, no, I can't.
I mean, you filibustered long enough.
We can just move on if you want.
No, it's fine.
I think sometimes there's,
you won't necessarily intentionally drop something,
but you'll put yourself in a situation
where it's very likely.
That's fair.
Yeah, I think sometimes,
like if you, the one that always kind of gets me
is on the stage at LTX 2017.
When you dropped the, like the laptop,
it's like, yeah, except you weren't opening it on a table.
It was kind of like, you were like literally,
it's like, yeah, I didn't purposely go base jumping.
I just hung myself 90% over the cliff.
And then it just happened.
I don't know why.
I feel like that's kind of a thing.
I think we should suggest this to Jessica
as a segment for WAN Show.
Luke guesses if the drops were real or kind of,
because I gotta be honest with you,
that was not intentional.
I have a hard time with that.
I have a hard time with that.
So I'm on the stage, right?
And we didn't have cameras.
There was no camera for me to-
2017 was Jake.
I didn't have an overhead.
What?
2017 was Jake.
LTX 2017 was, it was what it was.
We did what we could.
Anyway, so I didn't have any cameras.
So in order to show people,
I wanted to tilt it forward and I didn't realize
just how curved the packaging was.
So my intention, if you actually watch really carefully,
I intend to let it fall,
but I intended to let it fall out of the top into my hand.
You kind of get what I mean?
Just the level of risk in this situation, man.
Like I-
When it slid out the bottom, I wasn't ready for it.
I can accept you saying that you didn't intend for it
to like hit the ground, but you still-
It didn't hit the ground.
It didn't hit the ground.
I caught it.
Whatever it hit or however it worked or I don't know.
It's been a long time.
I caught it.
I caught it.
I just, I feel like you put yourself in these situations
because of the views.
And even if it's not, even if it's not on camera,
cause you're saying this wasn't on camera,
the reaction from the crowd was big.
Like I feel like it's an entertainer mentality.
No, I lied.
It fell.
It hit the ground.
I'm watching it right now.
So, okay.
I've got it up.
I've got it up.
So what I intended, I have my right hand there
and I'm about to, yeah.
No, no, no.
I had it tilted more vertical and it didn't come out.
And then I actually adjusted it back
so that I could go back to, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's when it fell.
I remember watching this
and the second I saw you tilt the box up,
I was like, that laptop's gone.
Yeah, immediately.
And I was like, why is he dropping it?
And then I saw you do your thing and then it flew out
and I was like, okay, I don't know man.
So just to give you guys some idea
of exactly what it is that I do here.
Our intro went from 188 words
to when I was done with it, 145.
So I trimmed literally a quarter of the fat from it.
It's not that I had just review the script and then read it.
The rest of the video went from, oh boy, here we go.
Went from 1862 to 1431.
Again, very aggressive cutting and this is my superpower.
I did that without losing any valuable information.
So don't.
Yeah, people are asking like which video,
I feel like we're missing.
This is the RTX 4060.
Okay.
Yeah.
So just wanna give you guys an idea
of how this actually works.
And my writing team is great.
We have a world-class team here at LMG.
I'm taking absolutely nothing away from them.
But guys, you gotta understand,
they're involved in one, maybe two videos a week at most,
whereas I'm touching 10 plus most of the time.
So I just see it a lot more and the meta changes so fast.
That's something that I think that is gonna be really good
when Taren comes coming back around
to our actual topic of conversation
where he can focus on the business stuff
and I can really focus on this creative stuff.
Cause there's stuff too,
like you wanna be able to focus on creative stuff more.
And I would also say that like,
I ain't saying you did that bad of a job, my dude,
but you didn't necessarily have a ton of time
to do some of the CEO-y type of things, right?
So like having someone who can really dive
into that type of stuff and actually has the time to do it
is gonna be nice.
Cause there's even some things that like
it wasn't that important.
So maybe someone didn't bother you with it,
but like if there was someone who it was their whole job,
it's like, yeah, it could be cool
if that was like worked on or whatever else.
So I don't know.
I think it'll be very good.
I think you and Yvonne are like hyper over leveraged
and reducing how hyper over leveraged you are
is probably gonna be just like good for everyone.
So yeah, I think it's good.
A couple more questions from people.
New York Islanders asks,
is anyone unable to immediately upgrade
to the plus subscription on float plane?
I wanna get some LTX merch and get the digital pass.
So if you could just message support
and if there's anyone else that's having the same problem,
we can get you sorted out.
That shouldn't be a problem.
And B Trombone asks,
is there anyone you don't have to cut down
at all in the scripts?
Realistically, the most experienced writers
are the ones that are the lowest touch.
It's different.
I'd say a really good example of someone who came in
day one as an experienced good writer is Nick Plouffe.
Okay, so he came in with a ton of writing experience
under his belt and I would sit down
and look, I'm calling him out
because he's actually grown extremely fast.
Like I am not by any means down on the guy right now.
He's done great, but he came in
and I would sit there and I'd go,
sir, you wrote two intros.
That's a very written media thing to do
is you have like your teaser thing
and then you have some more BS
so that people have to scroll below the fold
and they can load more ads.
It's just a habit.
It's not anything he did wrong.
It's just kind of the format of written media.
And then I would take entire paragraphs
and I would just cut them.
I'd be like, okay, did this change the content?
And he'd read it and he'd be like,
nope, or I would take descriptions,
really jargony, how many megahertz and whatever else.
And I'd say, what if I just said,
here's the specs and we had a slide.
And he's like, yep, that would be all the same information.
And those habits take a long time to break.
Writing for YouTube is just not the same
as writing for anything else.
And I think that we've seen that time and time again
when traditional celebs try to succeed on the platform.
There's been a handful that have really taken off
looking at someone like a Jack Black, for example,
who is just beloved, whether he's game streaming
or in a movie or whatever, right?
But the vast majority, not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
All right, what do you wanna talk about next, Mr. Luke?
Should I pick a topic?
I've been answering merchant messages.
I can grab a topic if you wanna switch it.
Do we wanna do the YouTube one?
There's probably a lot of merch messages today, hey?
There's a couple.
So I was just trying to get it headed off early, you know?
YouTube.
Did we talk about the big merch drops yet?
Should we just do that now?
Cause they're kind of big.
Can you screen share?
We might as well.
Oh, can you show them?
I don't have them.
I don't have them.
Have what?
I don't have the PCMR merch.
Give me.
Give me.
Hello.
Is this it?
Cause I know there's more stuff than this.
Ah, you have to go to the website.
Okay.
LTT store, my laptop.
There we go.
PCMR collection.
May your frame rates be high and your temperatures low.
We have, as you can see here, a sweater, a mouse mat,
a t-shirt and a water bottle.
Because of course we have to have all of those things.
That's how the store works.
They are unsurprisingly our favorites right now.
The hoodie, I think this is a unique pattern.
So this isn't like the color block.
Is it?
Nope.
Nope. Yeah.
Unique pattern.
PCMR stuff.
Is this in collaboration?
Like do we have to work with PCMR to do this?
Yeah.
Interesting.
Isn't that cool?
Yeah.
So it's the same great shirts.
Actually the hoodie is new.
I don't believe we have a zip up like that.
The water bottle is the same great water bottle
you guys know and love.
Now in PCMR.
That's cool.
The saying on the back.
That's pretty sweet.
I like that.
And the mouse pad.
Just a super clean black and yellow mouse pad.
PCMR branding in the top left.
Oh, and there's a pin.
You can rep it.
An enamel pin.
If people are into that.
I missed that one.
Which is why I said, ooh.
There's your mouse pad.
So we're doing this as a drop.
So if you guys place an order,
your whole order will ship once all the PCMR items are in.
All of them say backordered.
That is not actually true.
But we are going under promise over deliver here.
Truthfully, I don't remember which ones are here already
and which ones are coming in a little bit.
So if you just order it, you will get it
by the time we say you will get it.
But some of them may actually ship a little bit earlier.
So I like this back view of the sweater.
I don't actually know why.
Well, you can't see it very easily on the stream.
Can I?
No, I got it.
There you go.
Let's go Luke.
I like the like yellow bar at the bottom
that lines up with your arms.
I think that actually looks really cool.
I don't know.
Like stuff like that.
But yeah.
The collab is with the subreddit.
PCMR collection.
Very cool.
And I believe, I'm going to have to go to ltxexpo.com
but I believe Pedro from PCMR is actually going to be at LTX.
That would make sense.
That would line up.
Yes.
Yep.
Pedro is going to be there.
Cool.
Along with basically everyone and their dog.
Should we just do all the announcements right now?
Sure, we might as well.
There are other announcements.
I'm trying to find it in the doc.
I don't know why.
Here we go.
Okay. So there's the new merch, PCMR collection.
We mentioned all of that.
Floatplane LTT supporter plus tier $10 subs
can now order LTX exclusive merch.
All orders, including these items will ship out after LTX.
Keep that in mind.
That means you won't get them for a bit.
Where do you order that stuff again?
I'm probably going to screw this up,
but you have to link your,
I haven't actually seen it work.
So that's why I'm going to screw this up,
but it should be on the actual store
and you just link your account.
I'm sure Conrad is screaming right now.
LTT store.
Nick too.
Here it is.
So it's a collection.
That makes sense.
So lttstore.com slash collections slash LTX dash exclusive,
or yeah.
Okay. It's just a button at the top of the store.
So at the top of the store,
I'm going to go to my laptop.
You can, it's covered right now.
No.
No, there it is.
There it is right there.
You can, you can see it for a second.
It's behind all the merch messages that are coming in,
but yeah, there's home gear, clothing, all products,
LTX exclusive.
And then if you click on this, you can see all the stuff.
I love the whale plush.
I think that's cute as heck.
I'm also really outdid yourself.
Oh, there's a whale key chain.
That looks awesome.
Yeah. Yeah.
You can grab these things.
You have to be on the $10 a month or just the like supporter
plus tier, if you're a yearly subscriber, and then you,
you link your float plane account to the LTT store.
It verifies that you're subscribed and all that fun stuff.
And then you can order these things and they will ship
after, after LTX, and then you'll have your cool stuff.
I I'm pretty into like this whole design,
the like Nebula kind of dark with the purples and reds and
whatnot. I think it looks awesome, but I know, right.
Anyway, the team did such a great job.
If people ask like,
why do you have so many people working there?
Who do you think makes this stuff doesn't come from air.
Speaking of how many people are working here,
if you want a job,
there are a ton of postings on the website,
including to come work with me.
Do you,
are you a front end developer and you want to work on float
plane? Come apply.
We're hiring two different people,
two different front end developers for float plane.
There are also tons of other positions, a writer,
which is engineering focus for Linus media group,
a mechanical designer slash engineer for creator warehouse,
a tax and financial analyst slash accountant for Linus
media group, a social media group.
It's a lot.
Yeah. There's a lot hiring positions right now.
At this point,
we hire so much that if you want a job here,
I would just load this webpage up every once in a while,
because it's like constantly changing.
There's constantly people there and people at the company
are starting to like vie for position in regards to getting
their job postings shouted out.
So yeah, please, please apply.
We need you.
What else have we got in here under announcements?
There's so many announcements.
What's going on.
Got a lot going on Luke.
I'm going to jump to game linked.
Yeah.
First video.
Should we do an actual news topic?
Should we do a news topic?
Okay. There is kind of a lot of announcements.
Yeah. Let's break off for a second.
You want to talk about the YouTube 33 videos?
Yeah, let's do it.
YouTube is experimenting with a new policy
that limits ad block users to three videos
before preventing them from accessing further content.
Some users received a pop-up informing them of the change
and telling them to either subscribe to YouTube premium
or whitelist the site.
We have a screenshot here.
Here's the wording.
It looks ad blockers violate YouTube's terms of service.
For everyone who was arguing with me about that, by the way.
Moment of silence because rip you.
It looks like you may be using an ad blocker.
Video playback is blocked unless YouTube is allow listed
or the ad blocker is disabled.
Ads allow YouTube to stay free
for billions of users worldwide.
You can go ad free with YouTube premium
and creators can still get paid from your subscription.
And then there's two buttons,
allow YouTube ads and try YouTube premium.
This is going to generate some backlash.
Okay. So there was a little bit more here.
Absolutely.
Wait, was there?
No, I was just talking about the screenshot.
YouTube says users will receive several notifications
requesting they allow ads.
And in extreme cases, disable, oh, playback.
My dyslexia made that ad block instead of playback.
And I was like, whoa, I thought they were gonna use Chrome
to disable the ad block,
but no, they will disable playback
on accounts that don't comply.
In other news, Twitter now appears to be blocking users
from viewing content unless they log in.
No logged out viewing.
Can't get past a block list.
For a long time.
Guys, the cold hard, like honest truth guys
is that passive like image-based ads
do not pay to keep servers online.
They do not pay for people to work on websites
or channels or games or any of the services that you use.
That's not an opinion.
That's math.
They don't, they just don't.
So that's why we ended up with all of these obnoxious,
that's why we ended up with all these obnoxious moving ads
and talking ads.
And that's why it's escalated.
And that's why suddenly there's a war against ad blockers,
because I don't know if you guys have noticed,
but interest rates have gone.
Free money from VCs has gone.
And all of a sudden these services
that didn't really care how profitable they were
or at least cared only a little bit
are looking at their books going,
oh, the free ride's over.
We can't just set our company valuation
based on how many daily active users we have.
That's not revenue.
So you guys are seeing a change here.
And I think honestly, the backlash about this
is in no small part and boy,
we're going for the hot takes today,
but is in no small part due to entitlement from the viewer.
We've gotten used to everything being free.
That's what happened.
Whether it ever should have been free,
I mean, that's a longer conversation,
but the way that it is now,
we've spent a long time with things being free
and now all of a sudden the free lunch is gone.
You know what was really interesting for me?
I watched an old episode of the Simpsons the other night.
I'm trying to remember what it's called.
It's not from the golden age.
It's kind of pre golden age, late season two.
It's called Homer versus Lisa and the eighth commandment,
which is like very, very religious for modern TV,
but something that, yeah,
you would see in the late eighties, early nineties.
And Homer steals cable.
He has a guy splice him in
and at the end of it,
he comes around to that theft is wrong,
which is obviously the message that any television program
is going to end with.
The moral of the story is that
stealing from a nameless faceless corporation,
we'll make some jokes about it,
but it's still stealing and Homer repents
and turns off his free access
because Lisa is worried about eternal damnation or whatever.
And I'm looking at it going like, this is the Simpsons?
Also people would freak if they aired this today.
People would flip.
Look how mad people were about what I said ages ago.
And there's a lot of them are still mad.
And it's like, I don't know what to tell you.
I never even went as far as the Simpsons.
I never said, wow, you are breaking the eighth commandment,
you know, which is like the rules to not go to hell.
I did not go that far.
I just said, you need to be aware of what you're doing.
It affects creators.
It affects their income
and you need to be aware of what you're doing.
That's all I ever said.
Never said, don't do it.
We've even shown you guys how to do it.
And it's been really interesting
seeing people attack me for that hypocrisy.
They've shown people how to do it
and they say not to do it.
Right, but you imagined the second part.
That actually was something you imagined.
You just have to know and accept.
Yeah, I don't know.
So this is, man, this is.
Back in my day, pirates called themselves pirates.
I'm surprised, I'm surprised they're doing this.
Like they could have, tell me this, Luke.
Could they have done this five years ago?
They already had immense market share with Chrome.
Like it would be as simple for them as saying,
okay, look, we're just gonna like break the functionality
of ad blockers in Chrome
and that would eliminate a lot of ad blocking.
In fact, they've taken steps towards that.
Yeah, I actually suspect culture wise,
this might've gone over better
if they did it like five years ago
because there was a bunch of other sites
doing very similar things back then.
There are still some sites doing that today,
but not as many.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting doing it now.
There is really no real YouTube competitor.
There was some sites kind of thinking about it back then,
but not super seriously.
I know Twitch kind of tried a few years ago
and then sort of gave up
and I had some internal conversations with some people
I won't name at Twitch who basically were like,
yeah, I mean, they've kind of mastered VOD
and for us to be able to catch up with them in VOD
is going to take an extreme amount of time,
an extreme amount of money
and it's honestly just not worth it
because they're so ridiculously far ahead.
And that's just, yeah, that is a thing
and I don't really see anyone coming up against YouTube
because to be able to come up against YouTube properly,
you don't just need to make YouTube,
you need to make one of the world's
most effective ad platforms.
You have to do both at the same time.
Absolutely, yeah.
And you're going to have to do it in house
because anyone taking a cut on that
is going to make it so much worse.
So yeah, it's kind of rough.
I honestly think a huge part of YouTube's problem
is they suck at marketing premium.
People in chat are like, oh, you said you wouldn't name it.
Then you said Twitch.
No, I don't know the people.
It's a person at Twitch.
Yeah, yeah.
Shoot, what was I saying?
Yeah, I think they do a really terrible job
of marketing YouTube premium.
The number of people,
I actually was tweeting at someone today
who frankly rightly has a bone to pick with YouTube, right?
Is YouTube perfect?
No, but they basically said,
let's see if I can find it.
Yeah, I'm aware of YouTube premium,
but I'm sure the amount that creators are getting
is not remotely what YouTube is pocketing.
That is not true.
Out of all of the major social platforms,
YouTube is by far, like by a country mile,
the most equitable when it comes to sharing revenue
with creators, it's not even close.
Something, something.
There's a reason that major TikTokers,
ex-Viners, major Twitch streamers,
there's a reason that YouTube doesn't have to give them
a hundred million dollar signing bonuses
like Kick is handing out
in order to draw people over to YouTube.
They, I gotta find some wood to knock on.
They actually do for the most part,
try to do right by creators.
They make a lot of mistakes.
Absolutely, and they can be outright incompetent sometimes,
but they give more YouTube premium revenue to creators
than they do to themselves.
That simple.
I've always found this kind of interesting.
I know a lot of people that pay for Spotify premium.
Yeah.
I know you and me that pay for YouTube premium.
I know no one else that pays for YouTube premium,
but YouTube premium does fantastic things
for your YouTube viewership.
And it also gives you YouTube music.
Is YouTube music as good as Spotify?
No, but people will point out the cost of YouTube premium
as that being a really big negative.
And of course it is.
It's like $14 or something like that.
It would be great to not have to spend $14 every month.
That would be fantastic.
But Spotify for an individual is 10 bucks.
So it's four more dollars
and you get all the music is like,
maybe it's not as feature rich as Spotify.
Two more dollars.
It's two more dollars.
YouTube premium is $12 a month Canadian.
Oh wow.
So it's two more dollars like that.
Man, for me, YouTube premium wins that every time.
I don't know.
I don't really get it.
Cause like, okay, sure.
Spotify is better or something.
I've never really had it.
I am not a fan of a few things in YouTube music,
but if I look up a song, it's there.
It'll work.
And like, I don't want to pretend the product's perfect.
Like I have a family plan,
which is 23 Canadian a month covers up to five people,
but sharing it with my kids is totally broken.
So for example,
when I want to allow my kids to sign into Sonos
with their YouTube account,
it can't because they have minor accounts like kid accounts.
And I'm sitting here going,
hey, if this is a family product and there's like a,
it comes up as some like G suite permissions thing
for me to change,
except that you can't buy a family account
with a G suite account.
You can only buy it with a personal account
and a personal account can't change G suite permissions.
I reported this like four months ago
and just never got a reply.
And I'm like, okay.
So I guess my,
if my kids are to have proper access to YouTube music
through our Sonos speaker system,
they will just have to,
I'll have to flood their birth dates
or something like that for a secondary account,
at which point, oh, good.
Now they've got access to full fledged YouTube
and everything in Chrome and I can't lock anything down.
This is ridiculous, right?
Yeah.
Man, if you ever want to be frustrated,
try to manage family accounts and family permissions
from any of the major.
Anything, yeah, exactly.
Like all of those products seem to be developed
by people who do not have children,
have never used it.
And yeah, to be clear,
I'm not dogging on people that have Spotify.
I just find it interesting that YouTube Premium
seems to have such low conversion.
Like I feel like so few people get it,
but it offers a lot.
It feels like to me, it offers a ton.
And then you look at-
You're sitting here going, who doesn't have Spotify?
Yeah, exactly.
Spotify has like insane buy-in,
like tons and tons of tons of people have Spotify.
And I understand it's like podcasts and music.
But then I feel like a lot of the-
I've seen a bunch of-
I didn't feel like this before.
I've seen a bunch of comments in Floatplane right now
that people are saying that they have Spotify
because of the podcasts that are exclusively on Spotify.
So that's interesting.
People are saying you're a YouTuber though.
Yeah, but I don't really watch our own content too much.
I'm mostly watching other people
and I don't watch other people because I do YouTube stuff.
I just watch other people because YouTube
is like one of the best places on the internet
to get any amount of information.
I don't know.
Some people are saying they pay for both.
Yeah, I think that's not super common, but yeah.
That was tactful.
Yeah, Malvain in Floatplane Chat says,
as a tech dad, so much rage
in managing my kids' permissions.
Yeah, I didn't by default have permission
to play multiplayer games with my kids
even after I enabled their accounts for online play.
They're my kids.
That should just be obvious.
We should all take that for granted.
You get ads on podcasts with Spotify Premium?
Oh my God, no idea.
Oof, not into that.
The main reason why I have YouTube Premium
is because of no ads.
Yeah, anyways, yeah, let's move on.
Oh, this one's kind of fun.
You wanna do the Activision topic?
Oh, sure.
Anything that messes with cheaters is super A-OK in my book.
I see fake, I know you're sick,
so I'm gonna try to read most of the topics.
I see fake people.
Activision makes cheaters hallucinate.
Call of Duty developers have introduced a new anti-cheat
for Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone 2
that will introduce fake enemies called hallucinations
that only cheaters can see.
This is similar to previous anti-cheat methods
from last year in CoD Vanguard
that rendered all legitimate players invisible to cheaters.
The decoys can be used to punish and disorient cheaters,
but also to detect and confirm cheating.
Interesting, that sounds like it's, hmm.
The developers are also, sorry?
The developers are also retiring
a different cheat mitigation called quicksand,
which froze or slowed in-game movement speed for cheaters
because it unnecessarily impacted the game experience
for normal players, interesting.
These in-game roadblocks are sometimes used
instead of booting in order to study cheaters
and the technology they use to cheat.
Yeah, I know there's quite a few games
that they only do waves of banning.
They don't just ban on detection
because they need to sit there
and try to study the cheat
that's being used for a little while.
Well, if it's like, it's rats, right?
You don't wanna kill one rat, then another rat,
then another rat, then another rat.
You wanna get the whole thing before they make more rats.
Yeah, I think the rats analogy is very, very good here.
Valve banned over 40,000 players
using third-party clients to cheat
after they accessed a honeypot stage in Dota 2.
That was fantastic, that was a very good story,
which was a secret area invisible to normal players.
Valve then fixed the exploit they had been using.
Until 2020, Fall Guys had a relatively forgiving
cheater flagging system,
which would send persistent cheaters to Cheater Island,
where they could only match against other cheaters,
resulting in games where every single player
simultaneously warps to the end.
That's amazing.
YouTuber Script Kid created fake cheating software.
Oh, this was, I love these videos.
I actually love these videos.
I've watched a bunch of them.
YouTuber Script Kid created fake cheating software
for CSGO that punishes users in-game.
Example, causing them to throw a grenade at their own feet
and unbinding the movement keys.
He'll also make it so that like the second you mouse
over an enemy, it just throws all your guns on the ground.
Like other stuff, it's so funny.
It's funny to watch them freak out
when it happens and stuff too.
But yeah, very good.
Oh yeah, it mentions that right after that.
Force them to throw their weapons on the ground
or over the edge of the map.
So good.
What is the value in shaming cheaters in this matter?
It's just fun.
Screw them.
Yeah, it's hilarious.
I mean, like they're unfairly, you know,
targeting legitimate players.
And so why shouldn't they be unfairly targeted
in absolutely everything that they do?
I think it is fairly targeted though.
Absolutely.
Screw it.
I don't think it's unfair.
No, I mean, I'd hate for a legitimate player
to get caught in the crossfire, right?
That's obviously the part of the conversation
we have to have here.
But, I mean.
I think that's pretty rare.
And we're not exactly like death rowing them, right?
Like you're just messing with their game.
So I think if this does happen to a legitimate player,
the impact is relatively low.
Here's a question for you, Luke.
What would we do if we found someone cheating at Whalen?
Ooh.
Do we actually pick up their computer,
put it outside, tell them to leave?
Do they have a one-year ban?
Do they have a lifetime ban?
Because that's not cool.
No.
The fact that you ever thought it was cool
and ever thought it was okay to do even once
tells me everything I need to know about your character.
You know, we're trying to do an in-person event here.
We're trying to have some fun.
Like, do they ever get to come back?
Because someone else will take their place.
No offense, everyone.
You know, love you all and all of that.
But if we empty a seat at Whalen,
another but will be in it in no time.
I almost feel like it's a lifetime ban
or the alternative is they have to make a public video
that they put on their preexisting social media accounts,
like saying that cheating is bad or whatever.
And then if they do that, it becomes a one-year ban.
And they have to leave immediately no matter what.
You're out of that event.
You're gone.
Yeah.
Do they have to leave it up for a year?
Yeah.
I think so, yeah.
Because like there's different levels to this, right?
Like if I, I don't know.
And I think it's unfair to determine for other people.
But like, if you're like 14
and you cheat in some video game,
like that doesn't, I don't know.
Your moral compass isn't a hundred percent set up yet.
You might just be kind of messing around.
Like, you don't really know.
But like, if I went to some LAN event
and was trying to like cheat to kill people
in Halo CE or something, like I should be lifetime banned.
Like there's different layers to this.
You don't even have prizes.
Yeah.
Who cares?
And even if we did, who cares?
You know, we're trying to have fun.
Yeah.
And you're ruining the fun, so get out.
I don't know.
But I do like the idea of like,
there could be a path to redemption.
And then when you come back, like everyone's going to know.
So like good luck cheating again.
And if you cheat again, obviously it's,
it's lifetime forever, but yeah.
I'm feeling a lot of people in float plane chat
are feeling a two year ban.
I think I'm feeling a two year ban.
Well, okay.
Do they know the context of the other potential whale lands?
Have we talked about that?
Maybe not.
So the plan is that when the badminton center
is up and running, one half of it.
So there's seven courts down one side,
seven courts down the other side,
and there's a wall in between.
So half of it, one side,
we haven't decided on a cadence yet,
but whether it's every six months,
every quarter, every two months,
we're going to be doing about 250 seat lands,
kind of overnight, Saturday, Sunday kind of thing.
And just, you know, putting together some,
some for fun tournaments and ladders
and kind of cool stuff like that.
The idea is to make the events
as kind of drag and drop as possible.
So I told Chase, who's our events coordinator,
the goal is three to four hours of rollout
and roll back up and stuff into the corner.
So nothing will leave the site.
Every switch, you don't unplug a cable.
You just leave all the cables plugged in.
They're all labeled for which seat at that table
they run to, like everything's just land in a box.
You can like coil them up and put them in a bag
and like tape the bag to the switch or something.
I don't know, whatever, but like it's, yeah.
So it'll still be organized.
It's not like there's this cable mess,
but you just, you don't have to unplug it
because you're not shipping it anywhere
or anything like that.
So the idea is that you would actually miss
potentially somewhere between two to four,
five, even six events if you were banned for a year.
So with that in mind, I don't know, maybe a year is okay.
And by a one year ban, to be clear,
I didn't mean that you could come back to the next one.
You know, like if you got banned at LTX 2023 for one year,
I don't mean, okay, now you can come to 2024
because we didn't have any events.
Like you'd be able to come to 2025.
Okay, all right, yeah.
I don't see a lot of people,
like I could see a lot of people wanting to do that,
but I feel like coming back,
there would be so much shame involved.
If you could get over it,
I feel like people would be good sports about it,
but I feel like a number of people
wouldn't be able to get over it.
And people are talking about like, you know, okay,
what if you're screen peaking?
It's all context dependent, right?
Like if everyone is screen peaking and you're all memeing
and it's not a serious game, obviously not.
But if you are upsetting someone else,
if you are degrading someone else's gaming experience,
what the you doing here?
Yeah.
Just leave.
Immediately.
There's just no question in my mind, right?
Like it's not acceptable.
There's a big difference between like horsing around
with your friends.
Like if I'm like bumping Linus's chair
and like very obviously like looking at his screen
and doing whatever,
and we're both having a good time about it,
that's completely fine.
If you and your friends are doing the same thing,
that's completely fine.
If you're running some script that makes you better
at the game and just making it unfun for other people,
that's not cool.
And if you're like playing in a tournament
against someone else,
and you're unfairly using the position of your seat,
like if they're the next row in front of you
and you're seated so you could see their screen
if you like sat up more and we keep seeing you
like doing this,
we probably won't like kick you out immediately,
but we'll tell you to stop.
Yeah, I think that's a really good point.
I think the level of like insidiousness
would have a big impact on how I feel about it.
Like if someone came in with cheats loaded
into the firmware of their mouse or whatever.
That's why I was kind of talking about, yeah.
They're gone.
Because I can't trust them again.
Whereas if they're like just goofing around
and being an idiot and they do something stupid,
we're not talking like pre-meditation, you know?
It's like your second and first degree murder difference.
Right?
Yeah.
At least, you know, if they peek at a screen,
you know, maybe at the crime of passion.
Yeah.
So it's a moment of desperation they're losing
and they're like, oh God,
the invasive thought took over a little bit too much.
Whatever.
We can tell them to stop.
If it's a tournament, people will be watching them anyways.
We'll tell them to stop.
If they don't stop,
then we start getting actionable about it.
If they do immediately stop them going,
oh yeah, sorry, that was stupid.
It's like, okay, whatever.
It's not great.
I don't want to babysit people.
You know?
I don't want to tell people twice.
Yeah, I agree.
I do agree.
Anyway.
All right.
We can move on to our next topic.
Ooh, do you want to play Jessica's game?
Merch messages and then game?
Oh, sure.
I can't see Dan's stuff.
So Dan, you might need to message me on Teams
with whatever you're showing me.
He was just talking to me through the headphones
and you can't hear that either.
Yeah.
Yeah, but we got to do three merch messages.
If you want to leave a merch message, go to the store,
buy something.
When you're in the cart page,
there'll be an option to leave a merch message for the show.
We will receive said message and then either respond
through like a text thingy here
or by answering the first merch message verbally,
which we'll be doing now.
Or potentially if it's like a support related question,
we might send it off to the support team
and then they'll respond to it sometime next week.
It all depends on the question.
So yeah.
Awesome.
Yes.
Give us three.
Sure.
First one up here.
Hey DLL, my GF loves the woman's merch.
Anymore on the roadmap?
Yes.
Also.
We have like a lounge set.
So it's like super loose,
like comfy shorts and a tank top.
And we also have one second.
You know what?
I actually have a very special guest
who might know the answer to this question.
It's technically work.
So I don't know.
Anyway, one second.
Okay.
There's people there.
I'm gonna be that vague cause he muted his mic.
So I don't know if we're supposed to talk about it.
The people wanna know what we have coming
for women's merch.
I already got the lounge thing.
You're really far from the mic though.
So you're gonna.
Is this the mic?
Yeah.
There's.
It's and the dress.
Oh my God.
Okay.
We're working on leggings and like comfort pants.
The leggings are amazing.
Like I want a hundred pairs of them.
I'm so excited.
Yeah.
Yvonne was saying that the leggings are like
just out of this world.
Better than any of the like, you know, standard.
You can just say Lulu London.
That was what they compared it to in the merchant.
Yeah.
And then we're also working on like a set,
which is cool.
It's more of like a comfort lounge set,
but both Yvonne and I dig it.
Like it's so awesome.
Aside from that.
Yeah. I don't know.
Okay.
But lots of good things on the go.
Okay.
Wait, while I'm here.
Oh, uh oh.
I heard that the dinosaur dust pad is selling the best
out of all the LTX merch.
Does that mean I get to make more dinosaur merch?
Oh.
Answer the question.
Wow. You're gonna do me like that.
On the spot.
Answer the question everyone.
You know the answer is yes.
I think I just got absolutely.
I think you got told.
Yeah. I think you got told.
I just got played.
By the way, I'm going to be doing this at work more.
Is one heck of a way to.
I'm not CEO anymore, so what am I gonna say about it?
Very true.
I guess I better start having visions of dinosaurs.
I was gonna say,
your future visions now include dinosaurs, by the way.
There you go.
That's pretty sick.
For those of you who are wondering it's craft night
and I would have had Yvonne come over
but she never wants to talk to you guys anyway
when she drops by late.
I think she gets, she gets real shy about it.
And having Sarah over here during when show is very unusual.
So I thought I'd,
but I'd have her come over and say hi to y'all.
All right.
Well, okay, fine.
You heard it here first.
I guess we're doing more tech dinosaur related merch.
Sarah, you have to work tech into it a little bit.
You have to work some tech into it.
Okay.
All right.
We've got a deal.
All right, deal.
Next up.
Love the steam deck and the framework concept.
Your thoughts on a handheld conversion kit
for the framework, 13 inch main board and battery.
Would love to make one,
but need a compatible screen.
Not yet.
Not yet.
I think that sort of thing would be super,
super cool in the future.
But the challenge right now is that board with the battery,
it's just too big.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's not going to be manageable.
And by the time you put, so if you,
if you tear apart a device like a steam deck
or like an Ioneo or like an ROG Ally,
they are so, so, so careful to optimize the Z height,
the thickness.
And if this thing is chonk, right?
Like huge before you even put buttons on the front of it.
Right?
So you've got screen, then motherboard with cooling,
then battery.
It's like this thick guys.
I just don't think it's feasible.
Now I would love to see framework do some kind of mobile
gaming device or something like that,
but you got to understand they are still a really small
company, really, really small in the grand scheme of things.
And right now, I mean, look at their,
look at their back orders.
They are taking orders for AMD frameworks,
like six months into the future or something like that.
Their problem right now is not that they don't have a cool
product people want to buy.
Their problem right now is they can't make enough.
So, I mean, it's a good problem to have,
but also you don't want to be bottlenecked, right?
So they they've got other fish to fry right now.
And in the meantime,
what I told Asus when they came to show us the Ally early is
Hey, look at this video that we just did with framework.
Look at this under internalize this,
take this back to HQ.
And when I see Ally 2 or Ally 3,
it's got to incorporate this philosophy
because this is coming.
You guys are either part of it or you guys are left behind.
Those are the only options right now.
And I don't know if it got through, but I hope so.
And that's, that's really my goal here, right?
Like I don't need to make a ton of money with framework.
I am fine.
I will be fine forever.
But if framework can put pressure on everyone else,
then I consider it a win.
Like, obviously I wouldn't mind, you know,
more money in my dragon pile or, you know,
more equipment for the lab or whatever, right?
Like it's not, it's not a bad thing.
If I, if I eventually cash out framework
or something like that, don't judge me.
I'm not against making money,
but what I'm about first is the completion of the mission.
So that won't happen until framework
either grows up and is a real company
or the industry just kind of gets there
and framework isn't needed anymore.
Yeah.
Nick Light says they only get more dinosaur merch
if they send more merch messages.
I don't think you can tell them that Nick.
I think I've already agreed.
I think we've already had a long distance handshake
that more dinosaur merch is absolutely coming.
Designer series desk pad is the currently
number one selling item of the show.
Yeah.
I think it's a bit of an advantage for Sarah's design
that it's the cover image,
but you guys should also check out the other designs.
Zero gravity gaming is super cool.
Maria designed that one and Vancouver skyline,
I think is gonna be the one that runs away with it
in person.
Cause that's the convention center
as well as like the downtown Vancouver core.
And I think Lloyd just did an absolutely beautiful job
of it.
Okay, last one I think.
Hey DLL, thanks for being cool tech bros.
Question for Linus and others if it applies.
It's pretty apparent you have an entrepreneurial mindset.
Is this nature or nurture?
The entrepreneurialness is not innate to me.
I was a lazy gamer once.
I just wanted to clock in, clock out,
go home and play video games.
Fool around with my girlfriend.
I had a pretty simple life for a bit.
I guess I just, I get bored really fast.
I get bored so easily.
And what I discovered that I liked
when I was working at NCIX,
even though it wasn't my money,
I just liked, I liked making number go up.
I got a rush, right?
Like I got a hit from that.
And my original goal was to be a teacher.
And so what happened was I ended up doing both.
I ended up becoming a teacher in the best,
in the most scalable make number go up possible way.
And I just, I completely fell into it.
It wasn't something that I sought out.
I remember looking at this YouTube channel
that I came across when I went down to attend
like an in-person YouTube event in Seattle.
This is, wow, this is many years ago.
This is very, very early LTT.
So like I met, it's Judy's life there.
And I met, oh man, what's the channel called?
What their big like smash hit first video,
grandma's smoking weed for the first time.
So this was eight years ago.
It has 35 million views.
So I met these guys and the one in particular,
just really impressed upon me
that there was a different way to do YouTube,
very different way to do YouTube.
Like they came in going, YouTube's a growing thing.
And we are gonna like capitalize.
We are, every single video is a swing for the fences.
It was the Mark Rober approach
before Mark Rober was absolutely crushing
the entire platform.
And I don't know if they ever had another
just smash hit like that.
I don't know what they're up to today.
The channel is still active,
anywhere from a couple hundred thousand
to 500,000 views a video.
Certainly nothing quite like that.
Kids getting the picture taken with Santa
has 66 million views.
We've got some racy beer pong.
Yeah, no, they've had quite a few bangers over the years.
Some as recent as four years ago,
but it looks like they have fallen off a little bit.
It's always interesting looking at these channels.
Like I have no idea, has this channel been acquired?
Are the original managers even involved?
I have no idea, but it was really eye-opening to me
to see how these guys were coming in analytically
with a laser focus on get the most views possible.
Yeah.
I guess there's a part in here for me.
I have no ownership in the company
in like a legal sense or stock or anything like that.
But in mentality, I feel like I do.
The amount of people here that I manage is vast.
I feel like I have a lot of say in things.
And I don't think I'd really be able
to have it any other way.
Both my parents ran companies when I was growing up.
So maybe mine is a little bit more nurture.
I've always known since I was a little kid
that either I would want to be a part of an organization
where I had a lot of swing or sway
or whatever you want to call it.
Or I would want to-
If you're wearing the pajama pants, then it's swing.
Oh man.
Or I would want to be like running my own thing.
I never really cared too much which one of those it was.
So I'm not like too bothered about how it ended up.
But I do appreciate a lot and value a lot
my ability to enact change at this company.
And yeah, I think that was,
I think it's maybe a little call make, call and be.
I think that's a little bit nature
and also a little bit nurture
because both my parents are that way.
All right, Dan, want to hit us with one more?
Yeah, sure, we can do one more.
Years ago, Linus did a video of a badminton playing robot.
Any chance we'll be seeing one of these
at his badminton slash land center?
No. No.
What you might see is some of the same technology
at some point.
The way that they handled the machine vision
for the calculating the trajectory of the shuttle
so that the robot would go and intercept it
and hit it back was pretty low cost, pretty elegant.
It was just two cameras.
I think they were only like 18 inches apart
or something like that.
Like not much farther apart than your eyes.
And they were able to calculate in 3D space,
depth and everything exactly how far away it was
so that they could get the robot over there in time.
And I remember them telling me,
it's probably in the video, right?
That was a few years ago though, so I don't remember.
But that's probably in the video.
But I think I remember them telling me
that it was within like some obscenely small number
of milliseconds after you hit the shuttle.
It knew exactly where it was gonna be
and could start moving.
Cause it was just calculating it.
It wasn't watching it.
It was watching the first little bit of movement,
just looking at the velocity and deceleration
and trajectory and going,
okay, yeah, it's gonna be about there.
Very cool.
Yeah.
Additional topics if you guys want.
Let's do it.
Man, I am fading extremely fast here.
I started out the day thinking I was probably just sore
from badminton last night.
By midday, I still thought maybe,
but I was like coughing a little bit
and now I'm just like, I need to go to bed.
Oh, can we do Jessica's segment?
I was just-
Stranger than fiction.
That's what you're supposed to do, right?
We're gonna do the merch messages and then the game.
So let's do it.
Yeah, let's do it.
And then we'll do sponsors after that.
I don't know how this works.
I will explain, I guess maybe.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, hit us, Dan.
I have this stuff.
Oh no, I got to do all the things.
Oh yeah, you got, oh wow,
you have all of the extra little bits.
That's awesome.
Okay, so I believe what we're gonna do
is we're gonna go through three of these news items
and there's gonna be three to pick from
from each of the three.
You have to figure out which one is not true.
Oh.
That's two truths and a lie, but in news story headlines.
And then I believe the loser has something
that they have to do.
We can't say performance for the rest of the show.
Performance, that's right.
What happens if we do?
I don't know, it doesn't seem to be.
That was not qualified.
We get yelled at.
Okay, well I guess it's up to Dan then.
I don't.
Which could be scary.
I don't know.
Last time I left anything up to Dan,
I got my arm and my leg shaved.
Yeah, that was a...
I don't think the compression is too much here,
but it hurt a lot.
I don't work well under pressure
and other people normally get hurt.
Okay.
So let's start with this first one.
I guess you're supposed to hold up the flag
with your choice.
Yep.
Okay, first section.
Number one, Bluetooth E-bike posts live location data
to the cloud without user's knowledge.
So wait, do we have to say if we...
Don't show your cards, Luke.
Don't show your cards.
Okay, but I'm sorry, what are we saying though?
I don't really get it.
So I'm gonna give you three headlines.
We pick the one that is not true.
Okay, so we hear all of them
and then we pick one that is not true.
So there's one false.
Okay, you heard that one, yeah?
Number two, high school changes every student's password
to change me, exclamation point,
informs student body through mass email.
And number three, Elon Musk's boring company
is shipping burnt hair perfume.
Which one is not true?
Okay, do you wanna just give us a three, two, one?
Sure.
Five, four, three, two, one.
Two and three.
Interesting.
So you are both wrong.
What?
It's number one.
What?
But that was so believable.
It really was.
No Bluetooth.
That was the most believable one.
No Bluetooth E-bike are doing the tracking.
Darn it.
I thought it was two just because it was so funny.
I was like, that feels like well-written,
like it feels like a joke that someone had to prep.
That's the worst part, that's the worst part.
Okay, on to round two.
We got owned, okay.
Zero points.
Yeah, what if we both lose, Dan?
Same punishment to both of you.
Okay, so we're not allowed to look at chat during this, hey?
I didn't look, I didn't look.
Yeah, you'd be reasonable.
We can't tell what line this is doing.
As long as you don't have any hardware assists
to aid you in looking at chat,
then we won't have to give you a lifetime ban.
Perfect.
Okay, round two.
Number one, Bose issues a recall
for decades-old speakers due to a fire hazard.
Okay.
Number two, autonomous drones now rival squirrels
in causing blackouts and damaged power lines.
And number three, Japanese Splatoon fan
buys $3,500 worth of Nintendo stock
so that he can complain about the limited hairstyles
for male characters at a shareholder meeting.
Oh man, I almost want you to go over them again.
Okay, count us down.
What was the first one, sorry?
Bose issues a recall for decades-old speakers
due to a fire hazard.
Autonomous drones now rival squirrels
in causing blackouts and damaged power lines.
All right.
We can't let this take too long.
We got one read.
Three, two, one.
Two.
It is number two.
Yes!
Good job. All right, tie game.
All right, for all the money.
Number one, soon you can pre-order this flame-throwing
robot, robo-dog, I misspoke.
Number two, popular ASMR YouTuber revealed
to be entirely AI-generated.
And number three, researchers give robots
live insects for hands.
You can pre-order a flame-throwing robot dog
an ASMR YouTuber is an AI-generated YouTuber
or robots with insect hands.
Okay.
Three, two, one.
One and two.
Oh my God.
Luke is the winner.
Ah!
Luke is the winner.
Got him.
There is no AI-generated AI YouTubers yet.
I'm sure ASMR is a burgeoning market.
Okay, Linus, you're no longer allowed to say performance.
I would have thought someone would have put a lot of work
into making AI ASMR, but I guess we're not quite there yet.
Give it a couple of weeks.
Got him.
That was close.
That was very close.
I was very surprised in these scenarios,
but yeah, that's close.
What are we doing?
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All right, should we go through some rapid fire topics here
because I feel like we've got a lot.
Starting with, can I just shout out Android
for just every time?
So, oh, this video isn't out yet.
Okay, in our upcoming iOS rundown,
I say, I think Apple might have me.
They might have me switching to the iPhone.
And you know what the feature is?
No, classic answering machine mode.
Oh, I thought you just didn't have voicemail enabled.
Um, well I could though.
So with their new feature,
what it does is you can push people to voicemail
or they can just go there naturally.
And then as they're leaving a voicemail,
it pops up a live transcription
of what they're saying on your phone.
So you can decide if that's someone we want to talk to
and if it's important and you can take the call.
That is a game changer.
I want to screen my calls.
There's nothing I can do
to keep my phone number from leaking.
So if I could just screen my calls, we're good.
Well, I already screened my calls on Android.
Well, yeah, but can you see
when they're leaving a voicemail?
I don't, I don't have voicemail.
I just screened my calls.
But I want to see, I mean, I want to see
what they're saying because I don't necessarily have.
That's a whole reason why I use it.
If you call me right now, if you don't necessarily do it,
but if you call me right now, the call will come in
and I'll have three options,
answer, decline or screen call.
And if it's a number that I don't know,
I click screen call and Google tells them
your call is being screened,
tell them what it's about, whatever.
And then when they speak into it,
it will put a text transcript
of what they're saying on my screen.
Oh yeah, no, I don't have that.
This is the reason why I said I wouldn't go to an iPhone
because I like this feature so much.
And now you're telling me
that they're releasing this feature.
So that's, that's, that's pretty big.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow, all right.
Apparently it's a pixel only feature.
Sick.
Thanks pixel.
Anyway.
That makes sense.
My actual point was that
I don't think I can ever leave Android
because every time I start thinking,
Ooh, yeah, iPhone, that's pretty cool.
Blah, blah, whatever.
I just encounter something
that would have driven me absolutely bat crazy on an iPhone.
So I got this,
I got this like home laser hair removal thing.
And the only way I was able to get it
was by ordering from Amazon UK
because it's not technically certified in Canada
or whatever.
I don't care.
Like if it's certified in the UK and the U S whatever,
I will just use it
or other people in my house will use it or whatever.
You can't tell me what to do,
but they can because I'm in Canada
with a Canadian Google account
with a Canadian payment method.
So I'm on the Canadian play store
where the app is not available.
And you know how so many devices
either don't work at all without the app
or have a severely degraded experience without the app
because I'm on Android.
I can just sideload it.
On the iPhone, I don't know.
Maybe there's some way I could get around it,
but I don't have to figure that out because I'm on Android.
So I got it working in like three minutes.
I just, I can't, I can't,
I can't accept that I'm not allowed
to just install whatever application I want.
No, you can't actually tell me what to do.
That being said, if we do want to trash on Android,
the Pixel Fold is out and already definitely busted.
The Pixel Fold is finally available as of this week.
Reviews have been broadly positive
calling the Fold a well-rounded device
with solid performance as promised.
It's the thinnest foldable currently available
at 0.2 inches open and 0.5 inches closed.
The outside display is reportedly
comparatively comfortable to use due to its wider ratio.
And the crease is less obtrusive
because it's vertical rather than horizontal.
The battery life for the device lasted over 10 hours
compared to the Galaxy Z,
which lasted an hour less under the same conditions.
However-
I would love to try all of this, you know?
We even had like a sponsorship deal-
Did they not send you one?
I still don't have one.
What the heck?
You were nodding along
and I assume that's because you used it.
Nope.
This is one of those things
where I fall between the cracks
because my audience is in America
and my geographical location is in Canada.
So Google Canada doesn't have a device
and Google America,
or like doesn't have a device for me.
I don't know, maybe they had some.
And Google America can't send me a device or something.
I don't know exactly what happened.
It doesn't matter.
The point is this was a major launch.
I'm one of the only like prominent tech creators
that actually daily drives a foldable phone
and they just, they couldn't get it done.
I'm like, okay.
Like the reality of it is like,
I don't really want to switch phones right now.
Like I'm using the fold three
because I just couldn't be arsed to switch to the fold four.
Like it's a pain in the butt.
I had so many apps and so many things to log into
and none of it's automatic.
It's all like manually keying things in.
How is it that Swift key, okay.
Doesn't just have a one button.
Yeah, these are my settings at this point.
When I get a new device,
which people do like every two to four years.
Why is it not just like that?
Like it used to be when you went to the cellular store
and they would just have a special cable
and it would just copy everything over.
Like honestly.
Yeah.
Anyway.
However, there are already widespread reports of users
whose phones are already breaking
after only one or two days of use.
Surprisingly, this problem seems to be inside the screen
rather than the inside screen.
To be the, yeah, the inside screen rather than the hinge
with most users complaining of cracked screens
and dead pixels.
The protective plastic layer on top of the folds
ultra thin inside panel
doesn't quite stretch to the edge of the screen
and the two halves of the display
are extremely close when folded.
This can result in users crushing small debris
between the two halves.
The screen on Ars Technica's review copy
of the pixel fold appears to have died
after four days of light usage
due to a tiny puncture in the exposed OLED screen.
And we have a picture here.
Can I just share the doc?
Do you do that?
I don't really.
Yeah, yeah, I do.
I have a picture here.
Just zoom in so they can see the picture.
Give it the old control mouse wheel.
He's got this.
He's got this.
Let's go.
Where's your MacBook at?
Why is the touch not working for this?
There we go.
That's not touch.
That's touchpad.
We got it though.
We got it though.
You can see the screen protector.
Yeah, it doesn't go to the edge.
That seems like a mistake.
I mean, I don't have the screen protector
on my fold anymore,
but as I recall, there was a gap around the edge
just because manufacturing tolerances and all that.
Our question, our discussion question here is
how on earth would they not catch this?
And why wouldn't they fix it prior to launch?
And you know what?
Honestly, what I would say is a couple of things.
Number one is the people who were daily driver
testing this thing
were probably being really careful with it.
Like contractually.
They were probably not supposed to break them.
So while you might catch some real world,
you know, real world wear and tear issues,
you also might not.
And the second thing is that there can be differences
from one unit to the next,
even on the exact same production line.
They may have just gotten lucky
and all the pre-production ones were fine.
And then they went and they moved to production
and Lord only knows, you know,
what went slightly differently
and it's not as good anymore.
I mean, when we did all of our pre-testing
for the carabiners on the backpack, for example,
we didn't have any fail.
And we looked back at the early samples
and they were way more robust
than the ones we've gotten back from people
that have broken.
And it was just the difference in the tolerances
between these two little pieces of metal
that held the little hinged clip piece in place.
By the way, I have really good news.
Tynan and, oh, who else from the engineering team was there?
I'm embarrassed, but anyway, Tynan,
a couple of the engineers from Creator Warehouse
came and chatted with me this morning
and I approved the final replacement carabiner pulse.
So they are going to mass production.
I'm really excited to get that chapter behind us.
Hopefully they're gonna arrive just in time
for our reorder.
I mean, we need new stock.
We've sold through almost all 40,000 units, by the way.
Thank you guys very much.
And to everyone who says, well, what an idiot,
nobody's buying these, you are objectively wrong.
You are just actually wrong.
Thank you guys so much for your support.
And yeah, so I'm hoping that then the new order
will come with those out of the box or at the very least,
we will be able to unite them here in Vancouver
and they will ship together.
So you don't have to go through the recall process.
Yeah, I'm really excited.
Yeah.
The only difference between the new ones
and the last ones we showed on WAN Show
are that they're smaller.
So they don't like, they're not so heavy
and they don't hang out so far.
That kind of makes sense.
They were pretty big.
I'm gonna rapid fire through a couple of topics here.
Spying app hacked.
An Android based phone monitoring app called Let Me Spy
has suffered a major data breach that allowed hackers
to gain access to email addresses, telephone numbers,
and the content of messages collected on accounts.
The exposed-
Who could have seen this coming?
No, no, no.
Name one person.
Name one person who could have seen this coming.
An app that is specifically designed
to collect information about the user
without them knowing who could have possibly,
Luke, I can see, I can see in your eyes.
You have no answer for me.
Who could have seen this coming?
Nobody, that's who.
It would be impossible.
No one could ever figure this out.
The exposed data includes data from the present,
from the present back to let me, oh, okay.
I've just read this terribly.
The exposed data includes data back from the,
includes data from the present
back to Let Me Spy's 2013 launch.
Let Me Spy informed law enforcement
shortly after discovering the hack
and suspended all account related functions
until further notice.
Okay, you wanna hear the kicker?
That basically doesn't matter.
This isn't in our notes, but I read this.
They claim that they delete all data
after I think it's two or three months
or something like that.
That is clearly, clearly, objectively not true.
That's rough.
And also no one could have seen this coming.
The Let Me Spy app, which users can install
on another person's phone
in order to snoop on their communications and activity,
which can collect call logs, SMS messages, and geolocations.
So this is intended for like the suspected cheating spouse
or the kid who you think is sneaking out at night
or whatever else.
I've seen the app icon.
It's just like LMS and has kind of a indistinct looking tile
and just, yeah, just indistinct looking icon.
And if you just kind of buried it
and everyone has that unused system apps folder,
you just kind of put it in there.
I think a lot of people
would never notice something like this.
Absolutely.
The app is typically sold as a parent or employer control
and can be set as invisible
so the device user cannot detect it.
The data breach has further revealed
that a substantial number of the apps users
were actually government officials and US college students.
Interesting overlap.
Okay.
Yeah, really.
Let Me Spy has been used to track over 200,000 phones
since January this year, not all time.
Discussion question,
should this kind of product be publicly available?
Is there a legitimate reason
to have this kind of hidden access
to another person's communications?
I don't think it should be hidden.
I mean, if you're in a relationship
where for some reason you consent,
whether it's for safety,
like let's say you're friends and you both, I don't know,
go on a lot of Tinder dates or hiking
or whatever it is, right?
Like if there's a reason that you want someone
to know everything that's going on,
or if that even, oh man, even then,
or okay, let's say you're in a relationship
where there's been a significant betrayal of trust
and you basically go,
look, I'll do anything to have you back.
I won't go anywhere.
I'm not supposed to put this on for six months
and you'll see, you'll see.
It is possible that with consent,
there could be a reason for an app like this to exist.
But my understanding is that,
again, this comes back to our iOS update,
is that Apple in particular
is actually building in some features like that
but done in a way that is not hidden from the user.
And I believe that Android,
particularly for children's phones,
already has ways of getting real-time location data
from a user's phone.
I don't know about grandparents.
Will the Beast in the float plane chat says,
what about grandparents?
So yeah, it's a legit use case.
But to sneak it onto someone's phone,
I think is just inexcusable.
You're as bad as whatever it is you're trying to prevent.
I think relationships have to be
about communication and trust.
If you have to sneak this onto the phone
of someone you're in a relationship with,
you should probably exit that relationship.
Or get significantly better at communication,
fix your problems, do stuff like that.
I mean, it's not always that simple.
People could be in an abusive relationship or whatever.
This could be a safety thing for them.
Morality is easy from a position of privilege.
But if I was worried that my ex was gonna show up
and kill me or something,
if I could get this on his phone, would I do it?
Yeah, oh yeah.
Because the thing is, in theory, whatever,
police are supposed to protect you or something.
But a bullet's a lot faster than a cop.
Yeah, and a lot of police are in reactive positions, right?
They do stuff after the fact.
They're not gonna camp outside your house
for the rest of your life.
Exactly, right?
Yeah, anyways, more rapid fire.
Gaming publisher fires staff, hires AI editor.
By gaming publisher, we mean gaming news and information,
not releasing games.
Gamers group.
Yeah, Gamers group with a G-A-M-U-R-S, Gamers group.
A publisher that owns a dozen gaming websites,
including Dot Esports, Pro Game Guides, Destructoid,
and The Escapist, fired around 40% of their workforce
back in March.
This week, they were found to have posted a job ad
for an AI editor to edit between 200 and 250
AI generated articles per week,
assuming a five-day, 40-hour work week,
which is pretty standard, with two 15-minute breaks.
This would allow between nine and 11.5 minutes
to edit each article.
The job posting has since been removed,
presumably in response to notable backlash.
Discussion question.
Is it possible to have something of quality
come through a process like this?
Unpopular opinion.
I do think it is possible.
I think it's possible.
I mean-
I think it's unlikely.
I think most of it's gonna be trash.
I think some of it might come out well, though.
And when we say quality, I mean, you can't,
okay, when you say something of quality,
I'm not talking a fluke,
one of these 250 articles a day that is good.
I'm talking quality, like a quality result,
some kind of consistency.
And no, there's no way.
250 articles per week, that is 50 a day,
which works out to what, about seven an hour,
which is one every 10 minutes.
And that assumes that you are just in the zone.
You are as much a machine as your AI helper.
There's no way.
You don't get snacks.
You don't take bathroom breaks.
It's utterly unreasonable.
You don't have mental lulls.
There's gonna be times where you're faster
and sometimes where you're slower.
Yeah, it's gonna be garbage.
It's bad.
Who knows if it's even gonna be happening, though.
They did pull the listing down.
And we've talked about this kind of stuff in the past, right?
There are sites that already do this.
This is a thing that is happening.
So don't think just because they closed this
that it isn't a thing.
I sometimes don't even notice
till I'm like halfway through the article, man.
And I noticed like it's repeating itself.
I'm like, this is AI written.
I'm not staying here.
I will leave.
Yeah, get out of there.
Get out of there fast.
It's rough.
And I'm so close to actually starting to subscribe
to quality publications.
Yeah, we're going back, right?
We're going back.
We're going back to the newspaper model, man.
We're going back to the cable TV model.
Everything has gone this other way.
Everything is free.
Take it for granted for so long.
Actually, speaking of online news,
I guess the big news in Canada this week anyway
is that the Canadian government finally passed
the Online News Act, which forces online platforms
to pay Canadian news corporations
for links to news content that's shared on their platform.
While Google initially seemed willing to negotiate,
it has now declared Canada's law to be unworkable
and it and Metta are claiming
that when the law takes effect,
they will start blocking links to Canadian news sites.
Similar laws were passed in Australia and France
and Google and Metta made similar claims
that they would block news content, but then relented.
However, that doesn't mean that the laws
in those countries have no downside.
In Australia, as in Canada,
the government did not set a specific rate.
Instead, it merely forced platforms to negotiate deals
with news organizations,
deals which no party is required to disclose.
That means that news organizations could wind up getting paid
at wildly different rates,
which primarily benefits the larger organizations
and squeezes independent outlets.
Both countries already
have heavily concentrated news ecosystems.
This is very true.
If Metta and Google do go ahead with blocking Canadian news,
they will likely also cancel existing publication deals
like the one that Google has with 150 Canadian outlets
through its Google News Showcase program.
The law was estimated to pay up to 30% of the costs
of Canadian newsrooms.
What are you gonna do when there's no Canadian news
in your Google News Feed?
Do you use your Google News Feed?
Cause I do.
I do.
But I aggressively block sites.
Do you do that?
That's the only way I find it usable.
No, I just curate.
Actually, I just read what is interesting and over time,
it's gotten good.
I find it'll just, I don't know what it is.
It'll just pick something random
that I've never clicked on.
I was showing my girlfriend a few months back,
it picked some like random country singer.
I've never heard of this person,
never clicked on an article of them, nothing.
It was like every second thing in my Google News Feed
was this person, what they're wearing,
what song they did some interview, some whatever.
I was like, oh my God.
So I had to like block that person from my Google News.
I'm like, I have nothing against this person,
but I don't see them in every second article that I have.
I really have to like cut it down,
but I do use it and a lot of my usage of it,
to be honest, is to get Canadian news
and it sends me quite a bit of it
because that's the kind of stuff that I click on
because I sometimes find that it is very mentally taxing
to keep up with all of the news in the world
and paying attention to the grim state of a lot of that
when you start trying to absorb all of that
because you know, negativity increases clicks.
So a lot of what people are gonna wanna tell you about
is all just the bad stuff that's happening everywhere,
but I do try to keep up on like what's going on
in my local area, so I'm at least somewhat informed.
So yeah, I don't know, kind of rough, not a fan.
I mean, there's always r slash Vancouver,
oh, just kidding.
Yeah, psych.
A dumpster fire right now.
Yeah, we've got like the local city subreddits
and we've got that, but there's even been,
we're talking about everything's going back
to what it used to be.
There's been some vague amount of draw
because of stuff like this.
For me, just wondering like,
do I need to go back to Facebook
just for like local community groups?
I don't use it, but like, do I go back to that
so I can get news?
Like if this seriously negatively impacts
my ability to get news about the local area,
do I need to start using that?
Like I honestly, if Google News kicks everything out,
I don't know what else to use.
Me neither.
Reddit, even in its current state,
even in its pre everything's on fire state,
it wasn't a perfect solution in my opinion.
No, it really wasn't.
No.
So like, I don't know what to do.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
I have some, I have a couple other little announcements.
If we could go back to those for a bit.
VTuber Fillion responded to our recent video
where we used them as an example of the progress
of full body motion capture.
Luke, can you bring up this tweet?
I will grab it.
It's fricking awesome.
It is.
It was very cool.
Oh, wait.
I don't know if I can.
What?
Oh, you're not watching Twitter.
Twitter made it so you can't view things
unless you're logged in.
I can sit here and try to log in
if you want to like give me a minute.
Okay.
But I...
One sec.
Can I screen share?
I can.
Let's go.
Okay.
So Dan, you're going to have to deal with this.
Yeah. This might get a little crazy for a second.
Okay.
Theoretically I am screen-sharing right now.
Dan, is there something that you have to do to activate it?
You might have to add another...
He's figuring it out.
He's figuring it out.
While Dan's figuring it out,
Fillion also offered to VTuber me.
I've actually been meaning to do a VTuber episode
for quite some time and collaborating
with a well-known figure in the space
seems like a really, really cool way to do that.
Yeah, me sweet.
Yeah.
Yeah. I'm kind of excited.
I accept.
I feel like if you do work with them,
you're going to have to try to do a flip.
Ooh.
Maybe on a trampoline.
Yeah.
I can't do a flip on the ground, man.
I can't directly embed your...
Trampoline would be fine.
I think you got to hit the theme.
I can't directly embed your screen-share.
Really?
It's like frozen-ish.
I don't know.
Well, I think...
I ended up the news last...
That is super loud.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry. It's off.
It's off.
I'm sorry.
Okay, I'll stop sharing.
I wonder.
I mean, I could probably just like directly add the Twitter
as a browser source.
No, I'd have to log in in the streaming software.
Well, at any rate, I guess I'll just copy it into the chat
and you guys can go check it out.
Yeah, show a flip lane.
All right, sorry guys.
Frickin' Twitter, man.
A thing that is literally in the wench
as a news topic just screwed us over.
We weren't able to bring up a tweet
because I'm not logged in on this laptop
and they're like stopping you from viewing tweets
unless you're logged in.
I'm having a...
Luke, if you want to throw it into a chat,
I'm not signed in.
Neither am I.
Or we can just forget about it because Twitch chat.
Get on Twitch chat.
Maybe watch on a platform that doesn't suck.
All right.
In other news, we are going to be releasing LTT TV.
Yeah.
This is in collaboration with...
You know what?
I'm not going to give any details
because I don't know what I am
or am not allowed to say about it.
But basically on the LTT channel,
there will be a continuous live stream
of back catalog content that's curated by our editors
and by our writers.
There were quite a few challenges to overcome with this.
And maybe that's something that Luke could talk about
a little bit more.
The original plan was just to encode
like a 12 hour video of a bunch of videos
and then just play it on loop.
But you guys created a better solution for this, right?
Yes.
But hold on for a second because I got Filian's video.
So we're jumping back a little bit.
Okay, let's do it.
Because Filian does the YouTube's as well.
You want audio for this?
Let me do audio.
Can I have audio for this?
Yes, you can.
Is it playing?
No, because how do I make it go back to the start?
Hey wife, do you want to say hi to everyone?
There you go.
There we go.
I don't see your audio.
I can't hear it.
You don't have any audio playing.
I don't?
No.
There's also captioning for the whole thing.
Okay, we'll just read the video.
Hey, there we go.
Do we have audio now?
They can hear it.
You can't.
That's fine.
I've already seen it.
Okay.
Hopefully that's not too loud.
I also can't hear it.
I love the fail flip.
So good.
Let's get it.
Let's get it.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
Very cool.
Okay.
Yeah, the back catalog.
So we had a couple of different ideas
of how we wanted to do this.
What we ended up settling on was that
YouTube accepts two different streams into one stream key.
So that if-
On one channel.
That's not what I'm saying.
One stream key.
Okay.
All right.
Wait, two streams to one stream key.
Oh, that thing.
Okay, well hold on.
First of all,
YouTube lets you have multiple stream keys per channel.
Yes.
So you can have more than one stream key.
Yeah, you can have more than one
currently live stream per channel.
I believe, if I remember correctly,
a good example of this is the
the like Relaxing Beats channel
or whatever that's called.
It's like Cozy Cow or something.
I think they have a bunch of live streams.
So that's how most people are familiar with it.
But yeah, we can have more than one live stream.
You should theoretically only get one notification
for the TV thing
and then you'll get notifications every time
when a show goes up.
So it's not going to pester you all the time
but there will be more than one live stream.
So we can have two streams go into one stream key
so that if one of these computers
loses power or internet or something happens,
it'll fail over to the second one.
So you often see this type of stuff
not done in the exact same way
but you'll see it with IRL streamers
where they will be streaming to a server somewhere.
That server will be streaming up to like YouTube or Twitch
or something like that.
And then if the stream that the IRL streamer has
to the server goes down,
then the server just streams like a we'll be back thing.
So this is different than that actually.
This is two different ones streaming all the time
towards YouTube to one stream key.
And if one of them fails over, it goes to the other one.
This, it doesn't automatically fail
or it doesn't automatically go back
if the first source comes up
in the way that the IRL streamers would have it go.
So what we're planning on doing
is just both the streams are going to be the same.
So if one does fail, you'll have like a loading little bit.
It'll buffer for a second
cause it's switching which live stream it's pulling from
but it'll just keep going.
It'll be as if nothing really happened.
That'll just be one little bit chilled cow.
Yeah, yeah.
They'll just be born a little bit of loading time
and we can feed those streams with like a VLC playlist.
So instead of just editing together one like monstrous file
and then loading up like, okay,
this file will be good for the next 20 or 30 hours.
Let's render out another 20 or 30 hour long files
that we can keep running tomorrow
or it'll all be different or something like that.
We can just set a playlist of videos up in VLC,
feed that into our streaming software
that goes up the pipe to YouTube.
YouTube takes it.
If one of them goes down, it fails over to the other one.
Once that other one is running
and we get the first stream up that failed,
if number two fails, it'll just go back to the first one.
It just kind of goes back and forth based on failures
and we are good to go.
Yeah.
It was actually not that hard to set up.
A lot of that was like pretty well done by YouTube already.
So we just had to do our side
and some of that is gonna be like editing some videos
to like swap some things out, do whatever.
But yeah, that'll be coming theoretically.
I think maybe sometime soon.
I was gonna say more specifically when
and then I realized that that's not in the doc.
So I'm not gonna do it
because I don't know if that's like a leaking anything
or something like that, but yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, moving on.
I don't think we have any more announcement.
There's this billet labs thing.
Yeah, we should talk about that.
There were quite a few people upset in the community
about the billet labs video.
That was the like wild $800 all copper block
that handled both CPU cooling and GPU cooling
with a single like cooling engine
and then cold plates on either side.
And I understand what people are saying.
We used it.
They told us it should work with a 4090
but it was designed for a 3090 TI.
Well, we went for gold and we tried it with a 4090.
The temperature results were bad.
It was clear that it wasn't making perfect contact
and we weren't getting the best possible results.
What Adam asked me to do.
And so Adam was the writer on that project.
And so don't direct any of your anger at him
because he was in your guys's corner.
What Adam asked is if we could spend more time,
put the 3090 TI on it and get real results.
And what I told him was no, because, and guys, come on,
like for real, okay, it's 800 US dollars.
The difference in volume for a build that has this thing
versus one that just has a low profile CPU block
and a creative mount for a GPU right over top of it
is literally zero.
It is negligible, especially when you consider
all the other components that need to go into this build,
pump, reservoir, radiator, power supply.
Nothing would have changed.
Nothing that obeys the laws of physics
would have changed the conclusion,
which is that this is not a product to buy.
If I had recommended this thing,
you guys would have hung me up from the nearest tree.
You would have said, look how out of touch he is.
It's not practical.
And the conclusion of the video was
it seems like this thing exists mostly as a showcase
for the capabilities of these machinists.
So if you ever want something wild made, maybe go to them.
That is still the conclusion.
If the GPU had been five degrees cooler,
that would have been the conclusion.
If it had been 10 degrees cooler,
that would have been the conclusion.
If it had been 20 degrees cooler,
that would have been the conclusion.
So yeah, I didn't do a good job of presenting that, I guess.
It kind of ended abruptly.
That's something that I'm seeing a fair bit of feedback
from people about.
I don't know.
I feel like all the information has been said
by the time we do our abrupt endings,
but we'll see if we can balance it out a little bit.
But I'm not, I don't know guys,
I'm not sure if I can apologize
for not spending another 100, 200, 300, $500
of various people's time sitting in engineering
a work around to a product that no matter the result,
nobody should buy.
And we did have people saying like,
hey, a lot of the issue, Linus,
was that you guys didn't do a custom build
that was really like made for it.
Sure.
But then at that point,
why wouldn't we do a custom build
that was really made for a low profile CPU block
in a regular GPU block?
And then we would have spent half as much
for the whole solution.
Like it just, I'm sorry.
Like it's a cool product, but it's a bad product.
It looks great.
Yeah, it looks super cool.
Are you just saying it's bad
just purely because of the price?
It's bad because it makes absolutely no sense
and nobody should buy it.
And I know that I often say,
you guys probably don't hear me say it much,
but I often say it internally,
there's no such thing as a bad product, only a bad price.
But in the case of this product,
I have enough of an understanding
of what it costs to make it
to know that the price will never change.
So it's a bad product.
Do you kind of get what I mean?
Right, but you are saying it is a, yeah.
Yeah, it's a bad product
because there is such a thing as a bad product
if the price can never improve.
These guys aren't like a major company
that are gonna turn around and go,
oh my goodness, we mass produced these
and we're gonna sell them at like an enormous loss
just to like get rid of them.
They didn't mass produce anything.
So they will just never make anymore.
So it doesn't matter.
The whole conversation is completely academic
because no one's gonna buy it
and they're never gonna make any.
So like, okay.
And the people who wanna do like a wild,
one-off build with it or whatever,
you know who you are.
Nothing I was gonna say was gonna dissuade you, right?
So yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry, guys, I just.
Yeah, cool, cool.
Okay, I'll put it this way.
Cool concept.
Bad product.
Just like aesthetically.
But yeah, there's no way I'd buy it
for 1,113 Canadian dollars.
Yeah, no.
But it looks great.
Absolutely not.
Build a whole computer for what this thing costs.
And that's not even the point.
The point is that you could actually build
a water cooled computer for less than this.
So yeah, I just, I'm sorry, guys.
I can't.
I still wanted to make a video about it
because it was cool.
I wanted to highlight it.
I'm not gonna pretend that anything about the results
would have changed the conclusion.
It wasn't gonna happen.
Are people upset that the conclusion was what it was
or were they just upset with the testing?
They're upset that it seemed like we were lazy,
that we didn't bother.
And I get it.
You know what?
We could have put the extra work in.
I made the call that it didn't.
It wouldn't change anything.
And I felt like we had already seen it and told the story.
So that like 18 seconds of,
yep, well, here's the results with a 3090,
which by the way, once again, okay?
Are you serious?
You're gonna buy an $800 water block
and you're gonna pair it with a last gen GPU.
Really?
So what did you guys test it with, sorry?
With a 4090, which they said it might be compatible with,
but it clearly wasn't.
It wasn't quite compatible.
They have a 4090 FE option on their site.
Yeah, that's new.
Okay.
Yeah, that's not what they sent us.
Either way, it still doesn't matter, right?
Like it's, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
I feel like sometimes people,
they're upset about something
and they don't want to hear
what I have to say about it necessarily.
And it doesn't happen all the time.
Most of the community is actually really amazing,
but there's a vocal minority
that looks at something like that and goes,
lazy, out of touch, whatever else.
No, I'm just really experienced at this.
And I can weigh the pros and cons in my head.
And so can you, if you take like four seconds
and look at this thing, it just doesn't make any sense.
I get the conclusion thing.
And I also get not wanting to retest,
but I do think probably just testing it with the thing
that they knew it worked with in the first place
probably would have made sense.
Because like you're saying,
the test result itself doesn't matter.
But if it's just supposed to look cool,
then it should be seated properly so it looks cool.
The challenge there was like, what?
We're going to showcase an $800 block on a last gen GPU.
That doesn't make any sense.
Nobody spending that kind of money would put a 3090 Ti.
That'd be silly.
Yeah.
All right.
Man, is there any other updates that I have to address?
Oh, the game link launch.
So first up, the first video has, what is it?
Like 600,000 views or something like that?
I can't check the tweet announcement
because I can't check Twitter.
So now I'm going to go to YouTube really quick.
700,000 views.
It hit number six on trending.
It's going to be posting Tuesdays and Thursdays.
So it alternates with TechLink.
So you have TechLink Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
and GameLink Tuesday, Thursday.
The set was created in Unreal Engine
for those who are wondering.
And Jake Baines from the labs team
actually contributed to that.
We are using a Blackmagic Ultimat 4K,
which allows live compositing and video footage.
So the green screen, it's not perfect,
but it's really good.
And there is one controversy that we didn't want to address.
Most people really loved it.
We're really happy with the first video,
but we didn't have all the details about the fan art
that was used in the Destiny 2 cut scene.
The creator was happy that Bungie used the piece
and he posted it to Bungie's community creation site
two years ago, which apparently grants Bungie
the right to use it without condition.
I think we could have a separate conversation
about the scumness of T's and C's like that,
but that was not why we got it wrong.
We got it wrong because we got it wrong.
So we're not going to derail the conversation like that.
We didn't see this detail.
We're sorry.
We had a lot going on.
Riley says, I'm pretty proud of my team's ability
to quickly research stories and accurately summarize them.
We dropped the ball on this one.
It was a pretty busy week, lol,
but gamers deserve better.
So we're going to do our absolute best.
Hey guys.
We do need to be ready for that with gaming content.
There's a lot of...
Are you saying that gamers are a little angry, Luke?
A little angsty?
Yeah, a little bit, but I kind of everything all the time.
So yeah, there might be a few of these,
but we'll do our best.
I believe in that team.
Why is it all crossed out?
What's happening?
I'm crossing out topics that we've done
because my brain is too slow to parse them.
Are we done this topic though?
Yeah.
Okay.
There's a bunch of like comments from Riley and stuff,
but that's fine.
Do you want to talk about more?
Yeah, we can talk about more.
Well, my brain is incapable of reading it now
because it's even more harder than it normally is,
lol, but that's okay.
I think we are-
I'm striking through stuff that we've already done
in the doc, guys.
Yeah.
I think we're finally done.
No, we're not.
There's one last one.
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They're offering up to 300,000 euros per funding round
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The application deadline ends July 6th, 2023.
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Okay. Very cool.
I'll just copy that link into everything but Twitch chat.
Get ready for that.
That's good.
Yeah.
And actually you were wrong.
We have a few more topics.
Notably, Milkgate.
Oh, but that's not under announcements.
So you're wrong.
That's rapid fire.
Get on Linus.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
What?
We're at the same level of the company totem pole
in like an hour and 45 minutes.
And now you talk to me like that.
Oh gosh.
Hashtag Milkgate.
This is from the LTT subreddit.
This got a lot of interaction.
Like 600 people commented on the fact
that we do not provide milk to our employers
which is outrageous.
As it turns out, there is milk.
Jessica messaged me during the show last week.
There is milk in the fridge
and we have complimentary creamer
which I have learned is not the same everywhere.
So you know how creamer here is those little liquid things
of cream that you pour into your milk
and they're hermetically sealed.
So they don't have to be in the fridge all the time.
Okay.
In other places, creamer is like a flavored powder
that you pour into your coffee.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
Tastes creamier I guess.
It's powdered milk.
There's other flavors and stuff.
It's powdered milk.
So when I said we have creamer, people were like,
um, ooh, but actually our creamer is fine.
So cool.
Anyway, also AMD has announced a limited run CPU.
The Ryzen 5 5600X.
That's right.
A full year after the AM4 platform
has been effectively left behind,
AMD is launching a new CPU for it.
The 5600X3D is coming next week
and is available exclusively at US retailer Micro Center,
which has 25 locations in 18 States.
And the reason for this is that it seems like
rather than just turning them into e-waste,
AMD is turning defective.
No, not just seems like they have said,
this is what happened.
They have a bunch of not quite good enough 5800X3Ds
and they're just cutting off a couple of cores.
And now it's a six core and it's got 3DV cache.
And this is pretty sick.
This thing could be a killer value at 230 US dollars.
I don't even know if we're going to be able
to get our hands on one, but that's awesome.
I thought it was kind of weird that it was only,
that it was only a Micro Center,
but they're saying they didn't have enough
for a global launch.
Like this is not something that they're intending
to produce, right?
So that makes a lot more sense.
One shot.
Yeah, they're not going to send like one chip
to every retailer.
So they might as well centralize it.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That's cool.
Yeah, I get it.
I mean, I'm not in the US, so that sucks.
Yeah, like it's not good for us,
but I'm happy they're doing something with it
instead of just throwing it away.
That's good.
Yeah.
And if they don't have enough for a global launch,
like it all makes sense.
This is good.
And the pricing looks pretty good to me.
If you wanted a budget gaming machine
on like a cheap B series board or something like that,
this looks like a freaking awesome value.
And finally, we're not going to bother talking
about the RTX 4060 launch.
I've said everything I have to say about that.
What an absolute dog turd of a launch.
But we are going to talk about our favorite platform ever,
also known as TikTok.
TikTok is introduced, sorry.
Hold on.
Can I jump out ahead of this and say,
I actually think that this should be regulated.
Maybe not illegal, but this is gambling.
Okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
This is pretty rough, yeah.
TikTok has introduced a new feature
called Creative Challenge,
which encourages creators to compete for advertiser money
by making branded content.
The program is open to US-based users,
18 years old and up who have at least 50,000 followers.
Videos must be high quality,
well edited and original content.
How it works is the brands put up a pool of money
and creators submit videos.
Brands then select the winning video
based on their own criteria.
Brands may then request revisions,
which the creator may or may not accept after-
Okay.
After an ad is okayed by the brand, it is published.
Unapproved submissions do not appear publicly
on the creator's page.
Submission does not guarantee any amount, any form,
any payment whatsoever.
This is probably the worst thing in the creator space
I've potentially ever heard of,
or at the very least heard of in the last very long time.
You should not do this.
No one should do this.
People are gonna do it anyways, but you shouldn't do it.
Ugh.
Ugh.
So rough.
I'm trying to think of parallels.
Like if there's anything even similar to this.
I can't think of anything like this.
I know there's situations where you could do like a proposal
like there's bidding on like construction projects
and stuff like that, but you're not building the whole thing.
Yeah.
Like.
Wild, absolutely wild.
Brutal.
Is it time for after dark?
It is.
Let's do it.
Look at the lights.
How am I gonna do that?
Oh, hey, look at that.
Oh my God, that's great.
Okay, I should go the other way.
Yeah?
Sure.
That looks pretty good.
I mean, I guess I could just kill both of them.
Oh, that's a little dark.
Not quite.
Okay.
Let's go this way.
All right, cool.
Ah, time to do some merchant messages.
Dan, wanna hit me?
He's busy with the lights.
He's talking to me?
Yeah, he said hit him.
Get him.
Okay.
Let's see.
Recently started my fourth watch through Scrapyard Wars.
What series do you wanna bring back from the dead
or should they all stay dead permanently?
Hey, we just brought back handy tech under 100,
which people were more stoked on than I actually expected.
So we're gonna have to do some more of them.
Fun fact, that was,
I talked earlier on the show about how,
see, I'm the face of the channel.
So obviously I get a lot of the credit,
but I also get basically all of the backlash.
And so sometimes the ratio,
it's just like a psychological thing, right?
The one mean comment stands out
more than the hundred positive ones.
And so sometimes it really is kind of frustrating
that when something goes wrong, it's my fault.
And when something goes right, it's like great job team.
And part of that is a culture that I foster.
I try to make it about that.
But handy tech under 100 is an example of a video
that I'm not gonna name any names
cause you're not even gonna be able to figure it out
from the credits for reasons that I'm not gonna get into
cause I don't want anyone figuring anything out.
But I saved that video.
Only one of the items they brought me was handy.
I literally ran around the warehouse finding it.
That's why so many of the items were things we had already
because that's where I got them.
Cause I was like, these are not handy items.
This is not acceptable.
Like we did this six years ago.
It was in handy tech already.
I can't expect them to necessarily know that,
but also they were just not that interesting or handy
these days.
And yeah, that was a video that I was really happy with
because we basically pulled it out of the fire
and made it awesome.
And my wife is here.
Do you actually wanna say hi to the people?
The mic is right here.
Oh, well I'm not talking to them.
You're not talking to them.
How rude.
How long it's gonna be.
How long it's gonna be.
Yes.
Well, now that you're here in my lap,
there's really no reason for me to move.
So I guess it's gonna be as long as it is.
Wow.
No.
I mean, you can't move now.
I'm sure I could get out.
No, no.
I just mean like you shouldn't.
We don't want them to see anything.
Oh my gosh.
Luke, please help.
Luke can't help you.
We're live.
Look, he's at the studio.
He's 20 minutes away.
Oh my goodness.
Okay.
Anyway.
Yes.
How long are you gonna be?
I don't know.
Six inches as far as you know.
Oh my goodness.
As far as you know,
what would that even mean in this context?
There's this hyper sexist joke
that my father used to tell all the time.
Oh God, we should probably just not.
Yeah.
You got one hour left as CEO.
The point is it's a variation
of that men lie about how big an inch is.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, I lied to her about how much an inch is.
Okay, I got it.
So it's six.
I got you, I got you, I got you.
All right.
Okay.
I will actually send her a message with an ETA.
I figure maybe like another 30 minutes.
That sounds about reasonable.
Probably about right, yeah.
All right, let's do it.
Okay, let's see.
Let's do it boys.
Have you ever wanted to
or been asked to flex your internet clout for your kids
for their education or otherwise?
No.
That's the thing about being internet famous
is that in the real world day to day, it doesn't matter.
No one cares.
Like their music teacher doesn't know who I am
and doesn't like if I'm like,
oh my YouTube, which I haven't tried
because that would be lame.
But they don't care about that.
Like when I'm, it's only occasionally
that I will meet parents even
who recognize me on the playground or whatever else.
Most people.
And I know it's hard for us to wrap our brains around
as the perpetually online generation.
Most people are not on YouTube very much.
Not on Twitter at all.
So no, it hasn't really come up.
Occasionally their friends will talk about it
but it's usually to ask me like if I know cool YouTubers
like Mark Rober or MrBeast.
Most of them don't care about me.
Poor guy.
Okay.
Radioactive says I'm a YouTuber.
Normal people.
Okay.
Yeah.
Most of them will just ask me,
oh, like what's that like?
They're just genuinely curious
because they don't know anyone who's a YouTuber
and they've never thought about it.
It took me quite a few attempts with one of my aunties
to explain how we have a company with at the time
like 10 people.
Just like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Okay.
You upload videos.
Question mark, question mark, question mark.
Profit.
Like, oh my God, Auntie.
It's like TV, okay?
You got ads, right?
Okay.
On YouTube, we got ads.
Money.
She's like, oh, okay.
So maybe this is the last time I have to explain this.
But that's the thing is she's not stupid.
Not even a little bit.
She's just never thought about it before.
That's how it is.
It's always good to have those grounding experiences.
I think it's really important to meet people
who don't know and don't care who the crap you are.
I forget who it was.
I think it might've been Mr. Beast.
He sent out a tweet like ages ago.
I think it was Mr. Beast.
Maybe it was someone else.
But it was basically like,
okay, this person's walking up to me.
They must be a big fan.
Do they want a picture?
Do they want an autograph?
The person comes up.
Excuse me, I think you took my shopping cart.
Ego deflated.
I think it was him.
Maybe it was someone else.
But I think those experiences are really important
because it's really easy for me in my daily life
surrounded by people whose literal job
is to try to do what I ask them to do
to reflect on that most people
don't give two f***s what I do.
Do people ever recognize you as the wrong person?
People ever go like,
oh, hey, you're that guy from,
and then you like give them a second to respond
and then they say something just like,
you've never even heard of?
No.
I have like hyper generic white guy syndrome
where I have that happen like decently often.
Some dude walked past me in Greece
and was like, hey, you're on YouTube.
And I was like, yeah.
And he was like, you're that like,
I think it was like Nintendo or something.
He's like, you're that like Nintendo reviewer guy.
And I was like, no.
Had you even done like a Switch review?
Cause you did one.
Technically I did.
But he named someone and I looked them up when I got back.
And yeah, it's just some other white dude with a beard.
He does like some Nintendo content or something.
I don't remember the channel name,
but that's not the only time that's happened to me.
That's happened to me like a few times
to the point where if people don't immediately recognize me,
I often like give them a second.
Cause I'm like, they might actually think I'm somebody else.
Which I think is pretty funny, but yeah.
Okay. Up next.
Listening from SpaceX here.
Had anyone used Microsoft Bob back in the day?
I was six at the time.
It was fun for me at least.
Need a 4k remake.
Microsoft Bob.
I don't think I ever used this.
The origin of comics.
I probably did, but it was like 25 years ago or whatever.
Yeah. Sorry. I don't have any experience with it.
I don't think I do either.
I don't think many people do surprisingly.
It failed terribly.
That's the origin of comic sans really.
Yes. It was written for Microsoft Bob.
I think Microsoft Bob was supposed to be
a more approachable computer interface
and your rooms of the house were various things
that you could do with your computer.
Like you'd go to your office to write emails.
That sort of thing. That was kind of the concept.
And it had the friendly dog.
Remember Windows XP had that dog character
that would pop up when you tried to search for stuff?
That was the origin in Microsoft Bob.
And this was real? People could use this?
This was an operating system.
Like it was shipped.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
I feel like we need to make a video on this.
It's horrific. It's a really interesting concept.
But yeah, I don't know.
Wow.
Failed. Failed very badly.
Yeah.
This is your whole computer.
This is just, this is your operating system.
It's like a cartoon house.
That's really wacky.
Okay. Next up.
Hello, Linus, Luke, and Dan.
My water bottle, lttstore.com,
fell off my forklift and the lid broke.
It got me wondering,
what is the most expensive thing Linus has broken?
That $10,000 CPU, 100%.
Good evening, LL&D.
With how hard Costco, the alarm is going off,
has been cracking down on, you got it, Luke,
membership sharing lately,
are they just as bad as Netflix
or are they justified given their different market?
I think that, hmm, oh man.
This is a tough one.
On the one hand, I get it.
Costco's membership fee is designed
for a single family unit living at the same address.
They can't have everyone in the store
sharing a flippin' card.
So for those of you who are new to this controversy,
Costco has started checking ID at the checkout
to make sure you're actually using your own Costco card.
However, the world is in a really scary place right now
for a lot of people.
And food costs are a huge part of that.
Costco.
Oh, and they're spiking hard, too.
Costco, if you split a card
and you split the bulk groceries you can buy
is such a hack, right?
That's such an effective, understandable, relatable way
to do something, anything, about rising food costs.
And, I don't know, man, it's tough, right?
Because on the one hand, I wouldn't condone theft.
But on the other hand, I'm not gonna tell you not to do it.
What would you think about if you just scheduled a time
to go to the store with that person
and you just buy everything all at once?
Well, yeah, I mean, but people aren't doing that.
They're just sharing the card.
And Costco won't prevent you from doing that,
from buying groceries for someone else.
Yeah, this is a really tough one.
Because it's one of those questions, right?
Where it's like, is this morally wrong?
Yes.
Would you do it to save your family so they eat immediately?
Without question, without hesitation, right?
So it's, yeah.
Without even thinking about it.
And then when I thought about it, I would do it anyway.
So, yeah, that's,
uh, I'm not gonna say to do it.
Anyway, I'm just gonna say be smart.
Hey Linus, what are some subtle changes
you can foresee happening as a result of the new CEO?
Will Taran do things like host tech link
and become directly involved in LTT videos
like you often are?
No, I don't want him to be, and I don't think he wants to be.
I think that what he, the subtle changes you're gonna see
are that things are just gonna operate a little more smoothly.
In fact, if he's doing his job really well,
you might never notice he's even here.
I don't wanna see an increase in, you know,
complaints on Glassdoor about our company.
I don't want to see us cutting back employee perks.
Luke, have we ever cut back a perk?
I'm trying to think, been here for a long time.
I can think of one actually.
What?
No, no, I'll let you think first.
Oh, wait, I can think of one too.
I got one.
I'm actually surprised that I got one, but I got one.
Yeah, you used to be able to just like take home
basically whatever you wanted,
as long as it didn't like impact,
you know, like you could borrow a camera on a weekend,
stuff like that.
But it just, as the company scaled,
it was just impossible to keep doing properly.
So we had to stop.
It got untenable.
But that was technically a perk.
The one that I thought of was the free house cleaning
once every two weeks.
That didn't, no, that doesn't count.
You're wrong, I disagree.
Wrong.
Oh yeah, that wasn't a-
Fake news.
That wasn't a perk.
That was a one-time thing that we got exactly one year of.
Luke's correcting me right now.
Yvonne corrected me over my shoulder.
Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
Okay, it was a one-time bonus.
We have extended one-time bonuses in the past, but yes,
we were under no obligation to extend this one.
You guys are right.
Yeah.
But I think overall, so my follow-up question, Luke,
is what's the cadence at which we add new perks?
For many years, I didn't really know about them
because I wasn't in the LMG space
and just nobody told me anything.
So when I rejoined, I was like, whoa,
there's all these things.
So I don't really know, I don't know what the cadence is,
but it must be decent
because there was a lot of stuff that I came back to.
Yeah, like summer fun and the quarterly things
for all the different departments
so they can have little quarterly events
and the like quarterly snacks and the snacks at work
and all those things, there's a lot of stuff.
Yeah, don't forget the GRSP.
That one actually costs us a lot of money.
I mean, we do it about once a year.
We do it at least once a year
is what we kind of have aimed for.
That's not necessarily to see.
Yeah, that we can do that forever.
It all comes back to like, I wanna be a real company, right?
So we try, but it's not always going to be possible
and sometimes it's a one-shot thing.
Sometimes it's ongoing and I don't want that to change.
That's the point.
Hey, wan.dll, happy candidate day.
Sorry if asked before,
is the translucent screwdriver going to be a product?
Hopefully.
I actually wasn't sure if he was frozen or not.
I looked up and he hadn't moved at all.
And I was like, oh, slowly getting closer.
Hi Linus.
I just yanked the LAN cable
so I wouldn't have to address that, top secret.
Oh, there's too many backups.
I can't do that anymore.
This is Luke's fault.
Hi Linus, I likely going to be a boss next week
for many people.
And honestly, it scares me a little bit.
I would like to ask you,
were you nervous about being a boss for other people?
Oh man.
Okay, like once again,
I think Luke can probably speak to this
because he watched me do it.
I've been pretty much the whole time.
Yeah, I don't know.
Sure.
There's different levels of being a boss.
Like originally, my first form of boss employee interaction
with Linus, I wasn't even technically an employee
as a contractor, but whatever.
And when I had certain types of complaints,
he would just be like, I don't know,
nothing I can do about it,
which is sometimes true and that sucks.
But then I also transitioned with Linus into a position
where he couldn't say that because he had, you know,
full veto power control over the entire company
because he owned the whole thing.
And yeah, I don't know.
It seems fine the whole way,
but I think I'm probably not the most normal person
to be a boss of.
So I don't know what that means.
You are a royal pain in the butt sometimes.
How often is it these days?
I can't, I don't imagine it's that much nowadays.
You're pretty good these days.
The worst you do these days is just not being
where I expect to find you.
And that's half the time because I am not up to date
on where you're supposed to be.
And then the other half the time it's just
usually legacy stuff.
Like what, what legacy stuff?
Well, oh boy, okay, so we're gonna do this, okay?
Yeah, let's just send it.
So Luke has a reputation that he has built over the years
for being a little slow to get back to people.
Yes.
So people will complain, but a lot of the time
it's no slower than anyone else would have been these days,
and it is too slow, but they're so frustrated
because they have this history with Luke.
So I'd say that's the biggest complaint
I ever hear about you and it doesn't come up much anymore.
It's like asymptotic.
There's still definitely problems there,
but I'm working on it.
It's been getting better.
Yeah.
I find I have this thing where like when stuff gets spicy,
when work's getting hard, I will tunnel in on the work,
but due to my position, I actually can't really do that.
You can't do it anymore, man.
I have to be communicative.
So sometimes I have to like remind myself like,
oh man, I've been tunneled in on this
for like two or three days.
This is really bad.
I need to like step back, look at my various inboxes,
make sure that people are in the know about what's going on,
do all these different types of things.
And then when I try to step back into it,
I need to not a hundred percent dive in
because I need to let myself get taken out of flow
extremely often because what my job more is
is being the person that gets jammed out of flow
all the time so that I can keep my team in flow
and working on things and cruising smoothly.
So yeah, it's getting better.
It's not perfect at all, but it's getting better.
LLD, if you could take over one other YouTube channel,
what channel would you take over?
Also, why isn't there a LTX water bottle?
It's a weird question because like,
if I like a channel a lot,
I might not want to take it over
because I might just be happy with how they're doing it.
There was one that I wanted to buy at one point.
I wanted to buy Killian Experience
because I just had this idea in my mind
that we could be more than an MCN.
We could acquire channels.
And I was kind of ahead of my time
in terms of coming up with that idea,
but behind the times in terms of having any money.
And he seems super cool.
I haven't actually talked to him since then,
which was like eight years ago or something like that.
Love his content.
And I just, I knew that he wasn't putting a lot of time
into the channel.
And I was like, this seems like a win-win.
We have sponsor sales infrastructure
and you have great content that you are not monetizing
to the greatest degree that you can.
So you're not full-time.
I don't know if he's full-time now,
but Killian Experience.
I loved the videos that I came across.
And it was just like, yeah,
this seems like an up and comer.
And actually I haven't crept his channel recently.
I just looked, he hasn't released anything in three months,
but it looks like that's relatively normal for his channel.
Oh, that's normal.
Yeah, and then everything's a banger.
Yeah, he's still doing good.
It's all so good.
Yeah, he's still doing good.
It used to be bigger bangers.
Still doing pretty good though.
Still solid.
Yeah.
Still solid.
Yeah.
Love the attitude.
All right.
As someone who is currently weaning myself off of Reddit
due to recent controversies,
is there any conflict either morally or financially
with working with a subreddit?
That PCMR is the problem.
I was trying to respond to this in text.
I think it's like way too broad.
Because they even address in the thing,
they're saying not that PCMR is a problem.
Yeah, so working with PCMR is fine.
We think working with PCMR is fine.
We might also think working with some other Reddit
is not fine.
Like it's, Reddit is so broad.
Also the people that are on Reddit
is not the problem that Reddit's currently having.
It's the leadership of Reddit.
Pedro is not the problem.
Yeah, so if you're working with a subreddit,
well, you're not working with Reddit, so like.
But you're indirectly supporting Reddit,
but also why should they suffer?
It's a moral wagmire.
I understand that PCMR is effectively a subreddit,
but PCMR isn't only necessarily a subreddit.
Like PCMR could spread out.
Yeah, but they're not 100% tied to that.
I don't think supporting PCMR only supports Reddit.
And if you're talking about indirect support,
you could say that about so many things.
We're streaming on Twitch right now.
Are we supporting Amazon?
Like, is that?
Not much.
Amazon uses internet and power and stuff
from some other companies.
Are we supporting them?
Like where does it end, right?
It's a rough,
it is something that I do think people should consider,
but you kind of need to frame that yourself.
And clearly we're okay with working with PCMR, so yeah.
Yep.
Linus, what's your realistic end goal
for Linus Media Group?
And how would it change if money was no object?
Money is no object.
You know, we're at a point now
where if we wanted to take on a minority investor,
we could raise tens of millions of dollars
and really add rocket fuel to the growth
that we're experiencing right now.
But that's not something we're going to do.
That's not a goal that has been put
on the incoming CEO's plate.
Realistic end goal.
You know, if you'd asked me this two years ago,
I would have had no idea.
But you're asking me now,
and I was trying to shop.
Well, not shop, but I was trying to research a product
and it was for an upcoming budget power supply roundup.
That's right.
Power supply testers working.
So it was for an upcoming power supply roundup
and I was just trying to find a fricking product page.
A product page with actual MSRP pricing
that is in stock at an actual trusted retailer,
not some marketplace nonsense.
And it was really hard.
Newegg and Amazon are just wastelands at this point.
Micro Center, because of their brick and mortar nature,
doesn't carry as much variety as I would like.
I can't just lean on them as a one-stop shop
where I can get pricing information from everyone.
It's frustrating.
And so I would have said that Amazon had
e-tail on lock three years ago
that no one will ever, ever be able to offer a value
that would push people away from them.
But I don't think that's true anymore.
What if we went full circle?
What if the labs validated products?
And you know, labstested.com or something
was a computer and electronics retailer
where we took no manufacturer information.
Everything, every product is tested and validated
and presented in a way that is understandable
and helps you shop instead of helping sponsored
rando companies ship cheap crap to you, right?
Like through dropshipping.
I don't know.
Full circle?
Time flat circle?
Retail empire?
I don't know.
Maybe.
Nothing's impossible.
Exciting.
Okay.
Linus, as presented thus far,
is an incredibly humble human being.
I curated this.
Yeah, obviously.
While the resources available,
doing good work takes a priority over maximizing profits.
This employer style is rare opinions.
I don't think it used to be.
But obviously, you know, I wasn't there.
But the march towards prioritizing corporate profits
over people has been measurable, right?
Like it's...
I don't know.
I have really good people around me.
I can't take the credit for it.
I think that's the truth.
Like between Yvonne and Luke and Nick.
I'm not gonna name everyone
because I'm just gonna name like ones
that have been around for a long time
and make it kind of a mission to keep me in my place, right?
I have a lot of help.
I think that when you live in a bubble
where everyone tells you how incredible
and humble you are, right?
It's easy to believe it.
And I think a lot of people fall for that trap.
So I rely on honest people
who know me and I think care about me
and care about our company
and the people that work under them
and real people, right?
I rely on them to...
You know, tell me if I'm doing something wrong.
And I have to give myself some credit for it, obviously.
Like I don't fire people for being naysayers.
Like that's obviously something I could have done years ago.
But...
I can't take the credit, obviously.
You need help to stay grounded.
Question for Luke.
Today, Kotaku reported that Ubisoft
is allegedly remaking Assassin's Creed Black Flag.
What impact do you think this will have on Skull and Bones?
Does this excite you?
Honestly, when I first read that,
I immediately just assumed that it was Skull and Bones
because they've pivoted what they want Skull and Bones
to be like a million times.
Like actually they have fully changed design direction.
I believe this is off the top of my head.
I might be wrong.
More than five times.
So like...
And then honestly, when Skull and Bones was first announced,
a bunch of people were like,
oh, it's Black Flag 2.
And they're like, no, it's not.
And people were like, oh, why not?
Right?
So like maybe they're finally just going like,
oh yeah, maybe we should just do that.
But I don't know if, you did say remake, right?
So maybe they're just like remastering it.
If that's the case, like sure.
The only part of the game that I liked
was being on the pirate ship.
And honestly, in that zoomed out view of a pirate ship,
it's fine.
I don't actually need another one.
So like, I don't know.
Sure.
By the way, tie dye backpack.
No, not anytime soon.
Sorry, I accidentally pushed that one to stream
and I meant to reply to it in text.
Okay, cool.
Up next.
What happened to the water-cooled RED 8K camera?
Is it still in use?
It is not.
RED offered to convert it back to not water-cooled for us.
And we said, hmm, that actually sounds pretty practical.
Hey, dot DLL show.
I work in a small company.
We use bad software that waste time and no one likes.
But the boss keeps.
What's the hardest thing you had to let go of
to avoid the sunk costs fallacy?
Ooh, hangouts.
No, probably not.
Hardest thing that we had to let go of.
The inventory system?
Yeah, that's a pretty good one.
We used to use this inventory system
called asset manager, I think.
And it was.
I think so, that's right.
Fine.
And SnipeIt is better.
Yeah.
And we can develop for SnipeIt.
Whereas asset manager, as far as we could tell,
not only were they not doing anything with our requests,
they weren't developing it at all anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was, that was a painful transition.
We're still running into problems from that.
Someone just said Colton.
That was a cry nux in float plane chat.
Yikes.
Very good.
Very funny.
Hi, LMG team.
Been a watcher since the Langley house.
What's the backstory of the Linus selfie pic.
It's hilarious,
but I've always wondered what it means in context.
Oh man.
If you just go to know your meme,
I think they've got the link to the original tweet.
And that is actually it.
That was the whole thing.
I was working on a phone review
and I was looking at the selfie camera
and I noticed that the camera distorts
toward the edge of the frame.
And I was like, hee hee, this looks kind of silly.
That tweet has only,
wow, this is really obnoxious.
This is very annoying.
The know your meme says it had,
it got over 150 retweets and 1700 likes in two months.
Okay, it has like 7,000 likes now, but that was it.
That wasn't getting engagement anymore at that point.
It wasn't even a viral tweet.
It was just a picture that went viral
completely independent of my own social media following.
That's it.
That's the whole story.
People just thought it was funny.
I work quality assurance
at a plastic injection molding company.
What sort of QA work went into the screwdriver design?
Is it just fit, form and function
or did you do detailed dimensional inspection?
GD&T tools used.
What a fantastic question for our engineers
who would be able to answer that for you.
I do not know the answer to that.
I'm very sorry.
Yeah, even if we didn't do it,
I would have to imagine that Innovative Tool and Die
did some stuff because they're super experienced,
a super experienced mold maker and they're not cheap,
but who knows, maybe not.
Hi DLL, great show.
Will the Noctua screwdriver be a limited edition
or will they Berlin available forever?
Will they be available forever?
Everything's limited edition.
Nothing's available forever,
but we don't have any immediate plans to discontinue it.
Linus and Luke, what are some parts of your job
that you enjoy that people wouldn't usually think
as of your job?
Oh, wancho.
Oh wait, that people wouldn't think of as my job.
Okay, that's my job.
I don't know, that you enjoy.
I enjoy wancho.
There's some parts of your job
that wouldn't usually think of as your job.
No, there's the your job part is.
Parts of your job.
I think people pretty much know what my job is, right?
Hmm.
Whatever, I enjoy wancho, fair.
I mean, script review maybe, yeah, I don't know.
No, I don't enjoy that.
I like when we do like creative days and hackathons
and things like that because I like seeing developers
take creativity into their own hands
and then run with it and make something.
I find that to be very cool.
Hey, DLL, I'm currently in the process
of purchasing my first home.
Linus, what's something you've learned in your years
as a homeowner that you wish you knew sooner
or think everyone should know?
Oh, preventative maintenance, man, do it.
Just do it.
It's worth it.
And even then stuff will happen.
And if it wasn't for rent costs being out of control
because of a variety of factors,
whether it's career landlords or corporate landlords
or Airbnbs pushing out what should be purchaseable
or rental units, even if it wasn't for all of that,
I'd say renting is a pretty sick option.
But these days it's a pretty diseased option.
Rough with abuse.
It's tough.
When deciding what parts of your life to make content out of,
is there any time where you wanted to make a video
but decided to keep it private?
I find myself trying to live in the moment camera-less.
Our corporate Christmas party, especially the first one.
I think that the self-serving way to handle the bonus
that we did for everyone was to make a video about it
to try to earn back some of the money we spent
and get some community positivity
from treating our staff well, that sort of thing.
But we made the decision at that one
and we've never gone back on it,
that the Christmas party is a time for people to not work.
Yvonne and I get help, but we do, particularly Yvonne,
the vast majority of the planning
and day-to-day running of it.
The help we've gotten, I wanna shout out
the people who helped us, like Special Agent Janice
helped us out with the last one.
Staff, Colton, Zesso helped us out with the last one,
but neither of them were staff.
So we want it to be as much of a surprise
and as much of a special non-monetizable experience
for the staff as possible.
And we don't want anyone to worry about anything that they,
because we do silly stuff, right?
Like we play wedding games and stuff like that.
And I don't want anybody to be worried about it
going up in a video, right?
Like I want people to be able to really cut loose.
So the Christmas show also has a special carve out
for our no drinking at work events policy.
It's just the one night of the year that's like,
you don't have to come, but you better be there.
How often should you replace hard drives on a PC?
Are they a dead technology?
Oh no, they're not dead.
As for how often to replace them,
I mean, that really depends on
how well protected they are.
Like if you've got them in a raid
with a second copy somewhere,
I'd say replace them when they die.
If you've got one hard drive,
man, I don't even know what the right answer to this is.
I'd say at the end of warranty,
you're probably getting to the point where it'll start to,
it's life expectation, life expectancy
is gonna start to fall down.
Oh man, I'm so tired.
You can check for bad sectors and stuff too.
I like Linus's answer of like,
it should ideally not be the only thing you're relying on.
That one drive shouldn't be the only thing you're relying on.
So if it dies, it should just be a replace it moment.
But if it is for some reason and you are worried about it,
it's a pretty sketchy spot to be in.
I would check bad sectors every now and then,
but I've had certain drives last for man forever basically.
And then I've had other drives that conk really quickly.
So putting a date on it would be hard.
That'd be tough.
One thing I'll tell you for sure is that
before I transferred everything over to my next one drive
that's gonna hold everything,
I would run that other drive for like a while,
like a month.
Yeah, make sure you didn't get a lemon.
Do you wanna do this last one?
Sure.
Linus, it's an incoming.
Linus and creative team,
do you have a process or go to habit to disappeared?
I think everyone's a little bit different
when they're experiencing a creative block or a rut.
Like I know some of the writers like to go out into the lab
and work on the couches.
I like to go for a walk in the warehouse
and just look at tech and see if I get inspired.
I'll look at the incoming items
and I'll see if anything just kind of like
sparks something in me.
I think everyone kind of has their own processes,
but maybe that is something
that we should do more coaching on.
It's a really good idea.
You know what else is a good idea?
Calling it for tonight.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.