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And for some reason you guys like to watch cuz you're weird like that. I
Like to watch yeah, who doesn't?
We've got a lot of great topics for you guys today, but rather than tell you about them
I'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so that I can razz James about it in
Person I don't make the news man
Okay this headline weird case from Kickstarter that Linus likes, okay first and foremost
Just cuz I like something that doesn't make it weird
Just cuz I like something that doesn't make it weird this I like to watch
I like to watch for example you like to watch too. Is it weird that if we both like it
Well, no, I don't like this case. That's why it's weird. It's weird that you like it I
Think I didn't get it. Maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right
I don't think it's that weird. I think some of you guys okay
I don't think all of you guys are gonna want to pay for it because
That's a whole other matter, but I do think you guys will think it's pretty cool
What else we've got have we got for boring news this week scroll to the bottom you usually put the boring stuff on the bottom
I don't know. This is pretty boring Bluetooth hacked again
It's scary
It's scary
But in like a boring way like Bluetooth has to be the most mundane boring thing on the face of the earth
The the boringness to cool name ratio is high though. Okay. This is a pretty good name Oh
Oh Facebook to open a new AI loud and virtual oh
How you like the Canadian stuff? Oh?
Man, Oh Google Chrome lets you mute sigh, okay, that's pretty cool. Okay, that that's pretty cool
That one's at the very bottom. You don't even know what good news is best for last best
But that's not what you said prove. It. This is live, baby
There's an archive
All right fine you pick two topics that cool ones
Okay, this is probably one that you normally wouldn't even read
But it's possible that in the near future you might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes I
Can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have one like it's a little one like this
What else you got hit me again that was terrible there's gonna be a new GTX 1070 okay, you know what I think
My attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your attempts to read what you think is the best news
This is where we have a disconnect James every week Linus puts in
To the document before I get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him during the week
They pop out he puts him to make sure they're in the show the top one this week the fact that the
That the video card guy left AMD that is sort of a big deal
He just went he's taking one quarter off. He's taking a long Christmas break. Yeah back in January
He's gonna be out for three months. Okay. Okay. This is so let me put let me put it this way
Oh, you know what fine. We'll come back to this after the break first the intro
Yes
Answer that questions. Yes
No, no, there's music right now. No they can hear us still they can it's just annoying
Oh, don't do that you're too new to the show to be annoying see Luke gets away with it
I like to test the boundaries
Do you like to watch other people test their boundaries
Mmm, are we allowed to talk about stuff like this while we put the sponsor logos on the screen?
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Okay, you pick no, we're going we're going right into the Radeon Technologies Group thing. Okay, so
I'm gonna open up with I completely disagree with you and then I'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argument
Actually, no, I'm gonna open up with what the actual news is. So the original article here was
actually from
Yong
Yong Kang posted it on the forum here. We'll go ahead and pull that up and
And basically just said well, that's odd Raja. So you might remember him as the tiger in Aladdin the
No
You might remember him as the gentleman who dropped the rx-480 back when it launched. That wasn't me
I was just present. He was the one who dropped it. That's where you caught it from
And he came back to AMD
Right around the time that they launched their Hawaii GPUs. So that was the 290 X and the 290 and
Vega has basically been his baby since then and
He is going on a break
until the end of q4 so the start of
2018 and
Dr. Lisa sue CEO of AMD, so she's so he's been running Radeon Technologies Group
Which was split off from AMD proper. So they're going okay. This is a CPU side
This is the GPU side in an attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like
Nvidia and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel. Okay. I'm starting to get this so
Dr. Sue is
Is basically stepping in as now?
The boss and I don't I'll just say boss because I don't technically she was already the CEO of it
So you can't get more boss than that, but she'll be more directly overseeing
Radeon Technologies Group
blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way and
also
What's it called when you go like this?
This telegraphing sort of a
Telegraphing an attack, you know, oh god
yeah, so
telegraphing sort of a in my mind potential
shift in at least her
thoughts for how
Important Raja is to RTG. See I think you're reaching there. Okay. All right, make your make your argument
So he don't let me stop you from making your argument
But yeah, okay
All right, so he worked really hard during Vega needless to say the guy was probably burning the midnight oil for months
Literally a couple years
So he sent an internal email to the staff. Yep, thanking everyone for their hard work
Highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and well not epic but thread Ripper and rising and all of it and
And Vega since that's his his baby
So he thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote Vega was personally hard on me as well
And I used up a lot of family credits during this journey. I decided to take a time off
They can see it. They can see I'm sharing them but they like when I read stuff so it was tough on him
He's taking some time off. I don't think that's hard to understand. So he asked sue
When he should take that when he should take time off and she suggested
This last quarter. I think he originally wanted to go off like in January, but there's more product launches then
So they chose chose now
So I think your theory about how her influence or presence is gonna muddy the water
I don't think that really applies to the thing. It's a quiet time. She's not gonna have to make that many big decisions
I don't think okay coasting
I don't think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing and here's my counter-argument to that
If I told you that it was in any way acceptable
For you to be off work for three months
Unless there was I mean and here's the thing, you know
We don't know about his health or his family's health or you know, there may be personal factors at play
So that may be part of why people are reading too much into this because they don't have all the information
but all I can go based on is
what I see in front of me and what I see in front of me is if I told you James that
Barring any kind of health issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child?
It was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months
How essential would you feel and how essential?
What I have to feel like you are to just be like
Yeah, that's cool. You know, actually, you know, it'd be great is if maybe for the next few months
maybe we just didn't pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come back and
you know like to me this feels more like a slow like like a way to
to quietly phase out
Then it feels like a sabbatical. I could be totally wrong. I could be so far off the mark
That it's not even funny
Because a lot of what's in here on the face of it looks fairly credible
You know, he's been working real hard and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long
Couple to few years of his life
but
So why no successor then?
Because I don't think
Raja is that simple
To introduce a successor to and I think this few months gives them time to find somebody
Okay, that's my tinfoil hat
conspiracy theory and I would be singing a totally different song right now if
Vega had absolutely kicked ass
Mmm
Is that Bixby talking to me?
No, no, not Bixby might have been serious Bixby, but it's for me might have been Siri activating
Maybe they're talking to each other. It was neither. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a great video Bixby would be all eloquent
Siri just like dude. Oh
Wow, that would be an amazing video like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start
Activating each other like like that. I'm sorry. I don't understand
Could you repeat that like that like that prank call when you get one erotic hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline?
And then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me
You never know. I've never heard of that. Oh, that sounds great
No, if for someone who likes to watch I assume you like to listen. You should look it up
Pizza man versus pizza man like anything that does sound pretty good
Okay, so then
Tinfoil hat how many tinfoil hats at a tent? Am I right now? Are we doing a straw poll? Is that you're saying?
No, no, I want to hear from you. I actually do care what you think. Uh
He'll be back
He'll be back. I'm giving you a credible six a six. Okay
Like it's not that far-fetched. Okay could be true, but I'm just erring on the side of not true. Okay. All right
All right, I can accept that because I lied. I don't care what you think. Anyway, I think good thoughts
You only think good. I don't I don't think it's don't think good thoughts
Alright, let's get into our next topic here my you know, I got really next or is this I'm gonna have to oh
Oh, everyone want to know. All right want to talk about the iPhones
iPhones
wait
Is this seriously all the okay?
so there's a couple issues here number one is I'm working on my review of the 4k blade and I'm gonna screen share you guys on
Something that I've never seen before
this is just
This is just my chrome right now
Mmm, this is not very usable. It's white privilege. And that's uh,
Yeah, that's did that's not this is not very helpful
And and this this is the other issue. This is all the notes I get
You watch the event. I don't you you know, you know what you're gonna say. I don't memorize every season
No, what you're gonna say
Summary, I have things to say you want to say them. This is new information
No, I don't remember how many megapixels every every camera all 12 all 12. They're still 12 that hasn't even changed
Okay. Well, I didn't remember that so that's why you got me
Well new Luke. I wasn't going to host the show with you. I was gonna host it with someone cool
But then we ran at a time saying I'm not cool. I'm like, no, are you implying that I'm hot?
What? Oh, you're making me very uncomfortable right now. Hmm
Okay. Oh, okay. So this is interesting
Um, do you are you familiar with this senator in particular? You recognize that name? Al Franken? Yes. He's the coolest senator
I think he's the guy that rakes people over the coals
questions them hard questions
And he's got some more. Oh, this is actually looks pretty good
Okay, so it's to do with their face ID. But anyway, let's let's talk about see now. I don't have a summary
I don't have like a okay next time I do need the summary for stuff like this just cuz I watched the live stream
Doesn't mean I don't need the summary
No
I'm flying blind here. Okay, so let's talk general impressions
I don't know how many of you did tune into the live stream that we did during apples event but Ed and I
Actually streamed live the whole time to give you guys sort of a PC slash
Apple fanboy perspective on all of the news that they announced
the watch looks
Moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that I didn't really want to see them
Go with the Apple watch I mean independence or that kind of thing. I like it. Okay
Ah, see, it's not that I don't like it. It's that I think it's a lower priority and then then always on display
So
Every generation they're cramming in more sensors this time. They're cramming in a sim cardless
Sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually put a SIM card in it
Which is really cool and I would be floored if we don't see the same
Technology in every phone moving forward at some point here and the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same
SIM card
What is that never happens like you can make calls from the phone and then you've got yours
No, you still use so it's an independent activation with the carrier. So it has a SIM card
It's just built into the PCB
But it's the same phone number. Oh
Wait, you know, okay that I hadn't thought about that. That's really cool
anyway, so
Love the tech
Love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out all day if you don't do a
Ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a reminder
Take a call when people call you
Actually, you can place calls from it. You can do a lot of stuff. I just I
Hate that we aren't making it a watch first before it's a computer on your wrist
and I feel like every time they have an opportunity to throw a
marginally bigger battery in it or to not put something extra in it throw a slightly more power efficient processor in it and
Turn on always on display. They don't they just make it
Why do you want them more advanced because I don't want to have to go like this
Every time I want to know the time I want to be able to like just see what time it is
You want to just look down without even having to turn their watch? Yeah, I mean you're you wear a watch
I'm wearing a watch right now. Yeah, people can't see it. But like so let's say I'm like this Jesus
You want to just be able to look at it? You don't even want to have to tweak it
No, even that why should I have what is that? What's just the littlest tweak? That's stupid. What if I'm okay, you know
Okay, here's something. Yeah, but the other side of that coin is having it on all the time for no reason stupid
No, it's not stupid. What if it was dimly on and okay tweaked it here
It would shine what let's say I didn't have a computer in front of me right now
I'm sitting having a conversation with someone at a table. I want to know what time it is
This phone with it's always on display
Is a timepiece right there?
Boom convenient
So convenient. I don't have to pick it up and go like this because really
Here's the issue
It does time almost
No better than a phone. Okay, I have to do the exact same stupid
Routine to check the time on my phone as I do on my watch and they're so concerned about making it
call phones and browse the internet and track all of my
Running and walking and swimming and jumping and breathing and heart rate that it they can't
You think that's so reasonable for them to do that though because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything
So they want to put more things in it for it to do
Is that even the biggest criticism of a watch like it is for me who is well?
Yeah, but you wear an analog watch you I would have created your own biggest complaint
Why don't you get a Casio calculator watch then if you want it to do something, but it's just small you could take boobies on it
You can take boobies on it like boob lists noob
Probably you could probably write noob list too. I don't know there's no and no and I know and all right do I know numbers
I'd actually the secret so I don't even know how to tell time on this thing
What's the secret?
Okay watches. I don't know what this means. It's two lines down two lines down o'clock. I get to go home. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Digital age
You know, okay, I'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either I'm really slow at it
Well, you're counting by fives and I'm I'm super slow at it
Like I can obviously I can do it but it it takes me and it's a form muscle memory
It's it's and you know what? It's funny because I think I'm probably not the only one like you remember it wasn't that long ago windows
Had an analog clock when you click the oh, that's funny. We're in the way
There we go had an analog clock when you clicked the time in the bottom right corner. No, thank you. Whereas now
They went digital with it because I think this is just a skill like driving manual that's fading from our collective
hmm
well, it's
You could you could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than a analog watch
There's no secret to it. If you know what the number it looks like then, you know how to say just say it aloud
Yes, and no, I mean three two, okay
No time is a little bit complicated for little kids as someone who has a little kid
And has so man, so he mansplaining me. I used to be a little kid. I know how it goes
Dad's play. Okay. I'm just joking. Go ahead, please. The word mansplaining is
banned from the land show as of this moment because there's two men talking so it's
No, that's not why it's banned. It's banned because it's ridiculous
Okay, so you know you explained to me that it's ridiculous. Okay, dad's planning dad's playing is allowed. No, it's not
We're not all dads. So so I was going through this with my son and he goes I
Said okay. We've got to be at school or somewhere. I forget where I was talking about, but we've got to be there at at
850 and
He goes oh, okay
So but we have the half of the rest of the hour until 9 or something ways versus 12 base
Yeah, he figured we were using like a base 10 system
for time and I kind of went oh
No, okay, actually not so so there are things about time that are complicated even if you're looking at the numbers
But I was talking with a reading of it. I feel like we've gotten off topic a little bit here
So bezel this displays the Apple watch
We want to talk about that. I'm not excited about
because it doesn't have an always-on display and
Apple can sell me another watch like, you know SOS with just your watch. It's pretty cool
Not needing to be able to get at your phone or even have it with you all cool stuff
But I'm not buying another one until they give me an always-on display
Okay. All right. What's the next? What's the next product that they had?
What did I mean? Did they update Safari or something? Let's just get a meat and potatoes. Um, no, no, no, hold on
What what all right Apple's new headquarters?
The design the design looks great. I thought the keynote from the Steve Jobs theater was absolutely
Gorgeous also, have you seen their new stores the town center Center Town Hall or what was it?
downtown Center, okay
We're not you know, what forget it. Let's let's just not talk about we're not gonna talk about from the way
We're not gonna talk about the iPhone at all. Let's talk about the new concept for Apple's retail store. I'm sorry
I almost called it a store. It's not a store
It's a town center because this is gonna be a place where people go
To gather and teach each other and learn from each other and interact with each other. That's right
Where where they're actually Apple is bringing it full circle. Okay, they took us interaction
They took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other
Like this when we're in the same room
That's not how you use a phone and now they're bringing us back to talking like this about this. Are you sure they are?
Yeah, that's what it's all about. It doesn't matter. You know, how many
Bezels are on it
We just want to connect with each other and that that is what Apple is enabling. That's malarkey for the uninitiated
This is what's happening. They are at least internally calling their stores
The Apple Store is now called the oh man twitch twitch chat is like Linus. Stop the Apple Center. Oh stop
We're town square town square. Sorry, whatever it's called question. Yeah question the first do they expect
the public to refer to them that way I
Would say keep dreaming but
Apple people people man, I mean, they'll do it. They're gonna do it. You can get them to call it a magic mouse
If you can get them to call something a magic mouse, then I think you can get I want to see someone who has a bad
experience
Mad about it and still call it that way
So I went to the Apple town square today and the genius is there totally suck
So they have to call the mayor because he's the only one that knows what's going on. I
I assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now
Maybe yeah
and everyday zombie
Says can you stop?
Wansplaining right now
What a whanner, okay. I like that. I like that. That's pretty good the Apple town mayor mayor. Yes
Okay, okay fine so that was your first question the answer honestly, I'm I'm actually gonna go with no I
Don't think anyone is gonna start calling it like you can get people to call it Apple store because that's what it is
Yeah, it's a store where you buy apples. No, wait, it's not
They can do anything
Second question, are they gonna sign?
Oh, okay, so I actually didn't look that closely at the designs for these
But if I had to guess like I don't even think here hold on a second Apple town town square. Here we go
Let's let's get some images up here because if I had to guess I would say they probably would just have an Apple logo
That would be my guess. Yeah. So look. Yeah, I think I think that's where that's a rectangle
Okay, no, no. Oh, shut up
I'm not even if you stand in the corner
Can you call it the Apple this this town square here just has like an Apple logo. This is clearly an exceptional example
That's outdoor. It's literally a plaza. No, that's like the idea though, but most Apple stores are in malls
That's true. But I think the idea behind
Some of these town squares is that they're actually like acquiring
Like what was this building that they said? I think they said they bought like some historic building and like
Italy or some crap like this thing they're gonna have their flagship stores
Yeah, see but but here it doesn't say Apple store it's just an Apple logo
But they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of human interaction
Yeah, and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things
Although they were saying that this new position they've created like creative something will be to creatives
What the genius is to whatever and I'm kind of like well if it's a genius then
Like if we're creating an analog for geniuses, then my expectations are fairly low
Out apparently it was in France, but is there Europe somewhere? Why don't we go with that?
Okay, so
What was your second question? I remember I'm just sign. Yeah, are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there?
Cuz you don't you go in there and you look at the
Apple stuff that you want to look at and you still don't talk to other humans who are just shopping in there
Well, here's here's a question though
You're explaining
Your Apple shopper explaining right now because I don't think you've ever actually walked into an Apple store and bought something
Oh
except for that time that you wanted to get a red iPhone to make a video and I went to the mall and I was
The one who bought that red iPhone and brought it back to the office. Yeah, but you didn't buy it
Okay, I didn't go through like the shopping you handed over company money to walk out of the store with something for company use in
And out in two minutes. Yes
so
As someone who is not cult of Apple. Can you really cult of Apple spleen to people who are Apple shoppers?
so like normal cult of Apple people they go in there they rub shoulders view like a collective boner and giddiness about how
Sweet Apple isn't they kind of like they experience the process and look up each other eyes mean they're like are you seeing this?
This is so sick. Is that the idea here? I don't know actually I'm not a much of an Apple shopper either
So, you know someone apples. Okay. All right. Let's let's let's stop with that. Let's stop with the blue balls
We'll talk about the phone iPhone 8
Shockingly iterative to me you have an s you can tell I don't understand why they called it 8
the only reason that I can think of is that this is a gradual phase out of
Having because right now they've got what they've got the SE which isn't numbered at all
Right, then they've got the iPhone number
Then they've got the iPhone we skipped a number and it's 10 now for some reason because 10th anniversary and it's not a numeral
So if I had to guess well, they called it 10. Well, it's yeah, but it's a roman numeral 10
Yeah, it's not like a one zero. So it's clearly separate. So if I had to guess what they're doing is they are
Changing the lineup so that the regular numbers
Are just going to be the replacement for what an SE would have been and we're gonna get no more
8s, we're just gonna get a 9 and we're gonna be using that same
Body design that we've had since the 6 we're gonna be using that like kind of for a bit on the value option
Yeah, okay
And then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to this idea and it buys them then two full
years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the
X
X I and 12 like like this this more premium design so they can bring that
Into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down. So the whole lineup is gonna look like
X I and
Then last gen X so that'll be your top of the line and then your step down and then you're gonna have the
Kind of the the cheapo line is gonna be the 9 and like the SE or something like that call it 9
I I think maybe give it a new name just like SE was yeah
or they might do away with numbers entirely and
So they might have like an SE and then like something else entirely and basically I think they're starting over at X
Or that line extensions huge though or get this
Before we go into our sponsor spots for the day. I have one more theory bomb to drop on you
Oh, what am I gonna do? You know how OS X has just been OS X forever?
Yeah, what if this is just iPhone X forever?
Because
Apple is
Responsible for this naming BS that seems to have taken over the technology
Industry where they just call the product the same thing they did last year
and
The fact that it is so confusing for consumers. Don't worry about it. We're just gonna do it
What if it's just iPhone X I don't think that's gonna be the case because on the iPhone they still haven't done it
They still haven't gone
No, this is just the new Mac
They are the masters of making you want the newest thing every year
You don't need an X right now if you have a seven, but you're fucking want one. Don't you do we drop F bombs?
No, we don't
Sorry, everyone
You want one though? You want one? Okay, but but then why would they do that on the MacBook?
Why would they do it on the MacBook Pro? Why do they just call it MacBook Pro every time see Apple TV?
Oh, no, but then but then they went and they broke the system. They called up the Apple TV 4k
See, I don't know what they're doing. I think they should just do years. We should all just do years. I like it
I like that. No, because what if you launch two products in the same year?
Why don't you launch two products in a year? 16 q2 16 2. Oh
That's worse. Do that with car model years
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Mm-hmm like it's pretty that you got your eyes are watery a little bit more watery than before. They're a little glossier
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All right, 29
Okay, I got all right. I got to give you props for holding up that well to the Reaper jerk
It's worse now. It's worse now than it's been
I'm suffering now. It gets you. Oh, let me tell you the suffering is
I'm aware
Now I have diary every day to me. Can we talk about the Nvidia?
The rumor that they're working on. No. No, I'm not done with the iPhone 8 yet
Oh, we haven't even talked about the axe or 10 rather. I want to talk about it
Okay, so the aid is super iterative whatever it's got slightly better kind of everything
the 10 I
hate the speaker and
face face detection
Face ID cut out. What's the speaker?
Oh, that's that cut out at the top. Oh that thing. I don't mind that
When you're watching videos on that though, come on have you seen
Have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it? Yeah, it's got like a little cutout
No, I don't mind it. It's horrible
I mean, I might get used to it really fast in my review. I might be like, you know what?
This is fine. It's totally cool. Forget it
But
I love touch ID. I'm actually super the opposite of stoked that we're getting rid of touch ID agreed
I
Think that getting into getting into where's the
Where's that article that you brought up?
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All right Bixby's with you
Okay, so where's that?
Okay, so aside from okay, so they claim face ID is more secure
but Senator Al Franken has actually
questioned Apple about the security of their face ID and
Has raised some fairly interesting points here
Namely so Apple has stated that all face print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being sent to the cloud
So is it currently possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either Apple or a third party to extract and obtain?
usable face print data from the iPhone 10
Is there any foreseeable reason why Apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely?
Apple has stated it used more than 1 billion images in developing the face ID algorithm
Where did these 1 billion face images come from that's less relevant to me really you don't think that's interesting
I it could be but the answer could be very mundane. It could be Shutterstock
It could be just public images of face. Where would you get a billion images of faces the internet?
Yeah, but then how would you guarantee that you have the rights to use it because the whole terms of service where you can collect
non-personally identifying information
The thing that people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally identifying your face is by definition
personally identifying
What steps did Apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of faces in terms of race gender and age?
How are they protecting against racial gender or age bias in face ID in the?
Unveiling of the iPhone 10 Apple made numerous assurances about the accuracy and sophistication
Please describe again all the steps that Apple didn't work to ensure that face ID can distinguish an
Individual's face from a photograph or mask for example. I would love
to do that maybe like a death mask and
then
Like I don't know exactly how we do it. I would love to have a Linus mask
Can I uh
We make one for the video. Okay. No you can't have it. No
That is so weird
Drop all if we made on there while you watch
You can't drop that bombs you can say that okay if we had one of the large store
We have to draw the line somewhere how many people will be honest for Halloween?
We all know I wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff. So
Okay, at least that can go over somebody's head or is that bombs are just half bombs. Yeah, see
Um the answer is yes, yes, I would it would enhance the experience can Apple confirm that it has no plans to use face print
Data for any purpose other than the operation of face ID. These are all good questions one
The biggest one for me is is face ID really gonna be more convenient
Than touch ID and that's one that I'm having some trouble with because they did show they did show it operating
Not directly staring at the phone
Which is the biggest issue I have right now with iris ID by the time I like go like this and I swear probably a good
40 to 50 percent of the time I use it. I'm like
That gash you don't want playing around with it
A lot of the time it would be faster for me to just key key in a pin because fingerprint unlock on the back of your
Device, which you iPhone people aren't used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in your pocket and you're bringing to your face
It's already there
So you're saying that they demonstrated this thing ended up two singles it can already be unlocking before it's even right
They had it sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know, I'm being a rude
jackass at dinner
Experience where it was sitting on the desk right there. I'm gonna be here. I see one. No
No, this is the this is the lame-o stuff. I've done the spicy one on stream before I've had enough
Not to not today. Today's been a long week. I'll do it again. But you know, I
Just don't feel like it today
so
iPhone 10
What is there to say really? I think one last comment is that the bezel this ness of this?
Samsung Galaxy s8 is way better. What do you think?
Having not held a 10 having not held a 10
Mmm, it's not bezel less. It's just as thin bezels. I
Agree
With that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me reaching across the screen
I have pretty small hands, but on the s8 in particular
It's not nearly as bad as it is free on the note 8 and I can pretty much work with it. I
Love the idea of the s8. I haven't touched an iPhone 10 yet, but I really like this phone
You can imagine a screen that looks like that and is curved and bezel is like that
Yeah, but the curved edge actually doesn't register touch at all
Yeah, like what if there was a not visible but haptic bezel a haptic bezel haptic
You know what? I mean, probably a matter of time
I mean as soon as Apple sees someone else build some stupid weird squeeze engine. They're probably thinking wow
That's like almost smart except if they'd done it with force touch or 3d touch then it would be way better yoink booyah
Yeah, I'm really surprised
I thought the 10 was gonna be a knockoff of the edge, but maybe that was too far for Apple for even Apple
What do you think?
hmm
No, I wouldn't have expected that I
I I
Honestly nothing about it really surprised me
The only thing that surprised and or disappointed me was that we didn't end up
With a touch ID sensor under the screen because if it had face ID and touch ID through the screen
But is it because they failed to do it properly? That's the rumor. Yeah here another question for you
Samsung is a bottleneck on their kick-ass OLED displays. Mm-hmm. Samsung is making their displays
I'm sure Apple claims to I'm sure in the keynote
They said that this is the best display you can get on a phone
Is it the case that Samsung also has those exact displays or is there like an extra?
Exclusivity clause that Apple has the rights to that display even though Samsung's one making it funny
You bring that up the issue with Samsung's display is the thing that makes them not as good as apples. Is that Samsung intentionally?
Craps all over them. That's the issue you mean to get other gains like they sacrifice something for something else
Well, they they go bad they go full Best Buy
Crank the vividness
Mode on it and it's something that I just I don't think there's any way they're gonna stop doing it
There's an Asian sensibility versus American sensibility. I
Don't know it's a it's a hard thing to us
it's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these multinationals do on the
localization of a product for a given region I would have to think that if it was something that
you know
Americans liked to have color accurate displays
I would have to imagine that other phone makers would also tune the displays differently for different regions
Okay, so this is interesting apparently Craig for
Sorry
apparently Craig for Durgy did
Go on the record with tech crunch
Answering some burning questions about face ID so I don't have time to read the whole thing
but
Basically Apple does not even have a way to give your your face ID to law enforcement
They never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise
It's all in the secure enclave
Etc. Etc. Etc. Is it local?
Yep
They've discussed a two-factor
Authentication so that you could actually force the phone to require both face ID and a pin
You know when you would be pretty cool taste from earlier
I just basically had fired my valve for a second like like lava just dragon dragon style
Just like just about just lava. I'm Mike. Do you need me for something?
Two minutes to take a picture Wow
So this is only your second time on wan show and you're gonna have to tackle a topic all on your own technically
It's my third. Can you handle not screwing this up? Probably not probably not. Okay, you want to do the 1070 TI
I'm pretty loose right now. All right, let's do it. All right, hit it. Let's see it. Where's the original article from?
Mm-hmm. Dang it James. Damn it, Bobby. Oh
Well, okay. Yeah tech power up dang it James. Damn it
Damn it, Dale
I just love it.
I don't know if you guys think you're that but Nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song to King of the Hill
Yeah, I don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as well
Head over to YouTube and watch a 24-hour live stream of King of the Hill episodes worth it
Okay
Yeah, we're not promoting piracy. Okay, you are crossing so many lines James. I am kicking you off the wan show
No, actually, I need you to cover for me on the wan show. So here's the original
Thank You Linus original article there on tech power
so the basic deal is
the rumor has it that Nvidia is working on a new release of
probably my favorite
Graphics card the GTX 1070 it's hit really hits a price performance sweet spot and
There's gonna be a new one coming out. We're not sure if they're gonna call it
1070 Ti or Ti or if it's just gonna be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past for example
they did a
Let me look at my notes
There's a refresh in the past where instead of changing the name
They just put on the branding on the box what the new specs are. So
The 1080 and the 1060 both were refreshed without name changes
The GTX 1066 gigabyte for example is refreshed
So the reason that Nvidia I'm talking to nobody here and it just feels awkward
the reason that they're gonna do this refresh is because you come sit with me is because of Vega because
the new RX Vega cards sit right in between GTX 1070s and 1080s and so
Since an Nvidia can they might as well just release a card that just sits right beside that Vega. Mm-hmm now
We're so close. I feel like we should KS. Yeah. Yeah
Nice, please. Things are getting weird on the land show. Oh
Man, I like that scene when I go away for like literally two minutes
Yeah, when Garth is alone and Wayne's world falls apart the WAN show may not know that Linus hasn't really even seen Wayne's
I've seen Wayne's world, but you don't care about I've seen it once you can't quote it a long time ago
Then you haven't seen it. I know something about party time. Excellent
a
Lot of the time when we're writing scripts
references that are shared between us are like the body that like the essence of the humor like the fact that we're both South Park fans
Comes up a lot and I'm always going for Wayne's world references and he doesn't get them
No, it's just like I just every time just melt
It's not that funny. Uh
It's basically an SNL skit stretched out for way too long
Like if I recall correctly the plot is just in name, please go
You're gonna tell me you also like the cable guy I bet
That one I haven't watched since childhood. Okay as a child when it came out. I literally walked out of that
Your parents say where are you going? Well, I was watching with my grandma actually she was sleep and you just piece
I go to the arcade grandma. See ya it was it was
That bad and I know that I'm probably taking some flack in twitch chat right now, but cable guy was an
awful awful movie
Um, okay. Well, what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting he's doing that Star Trek theme song? That's classic
No next time it's not funny not funny at all
Why is everybody talking about Rick and Morty?
Because it's probably saying it's better than South Park
It's not better than South Park
I mean Rick and Morty has a couple episodes where I feel like they've made some sort of like some sort of social commentary
Approaching the depth of an average South Park episode, but maybe social commentary is not the forte
But maybe it's not but I mean, how do you so you're saying it's apples oranges. I'm saying it's totally apples
So I think they're compared because they have an overlapping fan base like types of people who like South Park are
The types of people who like Rick
Yeah, but I would say there's a lot of the types of people who like both of them that probably don't really get either of
them
word so
Are you an explaining right now?
No, I don't think so. I don't think I'm not insulting Rick and Morty. I I really like like a brick lick and Morty
Lickin Morty. Yeah to watch it. Um, no, I I really like Rick and Morty
I just I don't think it's comparable to South Park at all. I mean the other thing too is it's
Basically in its infancy. I mean if you go back and look at season one of South Park
Season one of Rick and Morty kind of stomps all over it season one of South Park is mostly
toilet humor
Whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to season golden age for sure. Yep, six seven
I mean that stuff started to get really really good
I mean Rick and Morty's only on their third season right now
so and I thought honestly I thought the last episode was probably the best one of the series so far in terms of
actually having a meaning that's deeper than
you know
I'm I'm a silly scientist and I burp when I talk and you know, scary stuff happens or whatever
I thought the the episode with the
Citadel I thought the episode sort of looking at life on the Citadel was really interesting. I it it kind of
You can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the way of continuity
That's also something that I think the show both embraces and suffers from that. They don't really care that much about the Citadel being
explicitly described as the effort of a few thousand Rick's the first time that we're introduced to it and
then being expanded a couple seasons later to
Basically being an entire society of Rick's and Morty's that's you know had all these struggles for so long
I didn't know so earlier Oh
Oops and how do you realize or do you care? Okay. No, I don't I don't think anything I said is a spoiler
I won't and I won't give you guys any spoilers
I mean nothing that I've said will not be obvious within about the first 30 seconds of the episode
So you guys you guys are all good
But in my opinion, it's the best episode of the show so far
Anyway, carry on it's not pickle Rick pickle Rick is just kind of goofy
Like if you're if you're into kind of silly humor, then pickle Rick's a great episode, but it's one of my least favorite
So why don't you tell us why in videos refreshing the 1070? Why didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070?
Yeah, pretty much just as a response to beg out. Do you think though that they're gonna call it tie or not? Um,
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't
If they don't yeah, yeah, I just it might just be like cuz they yeah cuz in the past they've done they've done it
It's something that I'm freshers. It's something I really don't like it's something that I wish they wouldn't do
But again, we have Apple to blame for all of this crap
It all comes back to Apple just calling their product the same thing over and over damn it Apple
So
Yeah, I think the idea here that is it's gonna
Smash or at least be the same performance as Vega, but just with a lower TDP and a similar price point
So why wouldn't you get it? Yep
I think that I think that Nvidia could have easily just sat on their butts and done nothing about the Vega launch
Because at this point they're pretty much just printing money
The R&D for Pascal is so paid for
But if they do something then I mean I guess great
I mean, that's that's what we want. Right? We want competition to mean better graphics cards for all
Alright, let's talk about some more AMD news der Bower the d-lit in King is back
He's back with more news. I got a little carried away there. I don't get so this is posted on the form by
Swatson and the original the original article is actually a video. So let's go ahead and fire that up
Hey Roman, there you are bud. So he comes out and he's like, hey AMD said that
the two extra dies on Threadripper were specifically
dummies
And it turns out
That they are not just silicon spacers
But they are disabled or at least non-functional zeppelin dies that do contain transistors
What does it mean? Why would they lie about this? This is what I don't get
Well, okay. So some people are speculating that it could mean that in the future there may be a 32 core Threadripper
Maybe they wanted to just delay that little rumor from coming out
But it's taken until someone deleted it for us to speculate on that
I could have speculated. No, no
Well, then I'm as puzzled as you are like i've heard speculation about that going back to Computex before Threadripper even launched
Okay, and this is from people in the industry which always leaks so it always becomes something that's speculated outside the industry
Well, did they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there?
Yeah, they just have a different definition of dummy than you do. Why wouldn't they just know they specifically said they were spacers?
Well, they are and that they weren't failed dies, but if we can see that they contain transistors
Then
Okay, what we don't necessarily know what we don't necessarily know is that they are
Exactly so they they did say no working transistors
So that could
No, you know what? No, there's there's no I don't really think there's any way around this
as far as I can tell
These are
I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what they are
I I just what I don't understand is why they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said
Yeah, they're failed ones
Or they're the f-word in your product launch
Uh, yeah, but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of binning. I think it's fairly well understood
within the kind of
enthusiast community
that
Well, intel already slammed this happens intel already got to be smarmy by saying frederippers glued together
So they could have said it's just a bunch of failed chips glued together. Yeah, but intel does the same thing
I mean, this is not yeah, but like it would it would come across really insincere completely meaningless because everybody does it
So are you confused or are you actually just kind of upset? Okay, so i'm just confused
Did they break your chinese here?
We've got people saying warboy x says if the cores were enabled the cpu would have six or eight channel memory also
No, it wouldn't because
The socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it
now
It's possible that amd was hope that what they were hoping to achieve was that nobody would run out and try to unlock cores
But then they couldn't
Possibly have thought that no one at any point was going to rip apart one of the dies
Once a thread ripper failed they couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like you can see
It's visible to the naked eye if you uh, okay
If you look at the video of the 7700k that we or 6700k, whatever the chip that fell out of the vice when berkel dropped it
It broke apart. You can clearly see
like
The the the cache and the cores like it's visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a cpu die
Once the top breaks off you're looking at me, but all I can think of right now is that my stomach is a cauldron
Cauldron, they couldn't have possibly expected people to not look at it at some point
so
I don't know. This just seems
super dumb
and
It's up to us to get answers. Yeah. I mean, maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also from warboy x
Uh, maybe they just didn't want people, you know
running
Thread rippers and epic sockets or vice versa. Maybe they wanted to uh separate their consumer
Prosumer from their server. I don't know. I don't know but i'm I guess i'm over it
I just don't understand why they wouldn't be straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain
and
their credibility to lose there
And there's a lot of times. Okay, when you run into stuff like this in the industry where it just kind of goes
Why would you deceive us about this? No one could possibly care that you were doing it this way
Like the same way that everyone has made cpus since basically the dawn time and by that
I mean the last few decades because that's as long as we've had cpus
Why not just say yeah, we're doing it that way same as usual unless you count the brain what?
Bluetooth has been hacked again. Oh, there's more interesting ones
Really more interesting ones. All right, some attack vector linux. It's a scary hack though because your bluetooth
Just has to be on and you can get hacked. Ios has been immune since 10
Google provided device manufacturers with a patch last month, but it's up to them to push it
Well, well, it's up to like the likes of samsung to push it. Yeah, apparently there are literally billions of devices that are compromised
yeah, but they when
This has been patched since july so
Well on windows. Okay, we're not talking about it
Okay, we're not talking about it
All right, fine what else do you got for me
Where you want to talk about the hyperloop? No, it's boring
Google offers free repairs to pixel owners affected by hurricane harvey
Now this is the opposite of what we were just talking. I see this being abused. This is an opportunity
This is low hanging fruit
This is an opportunity for a company at google to get some kick-ass pr during a very hard time for lots of americans
To say you know what guys free repairs if your phone that's not as waterproof as some phones in the market gets damaged in this hurricane
crisis
How many people are going to take them up on that? Not that many so that is some cheap good pr
Yeah, we're talking about it
Okay
All right
cheap good pr
Um, I don't know that this is going to be entirely good pr, but let's have a look at the element six
This is i'm open i'm willing to convince the craziest
case
That i've ever seen so this is an appearance prototype that non-functional prototype that looks like the final product
Let's go ahead and let's get back over here. Check this thing out
I guess I don't like that. It looks like a car, but that's the idea. It doesn't look enough like a car though
It looks like an abstraction of a car. No, no, no, no, no, because the finished one will be more like this
Like it has a little grill on it
Well, no, it's also got like cutouts for the windows and the windshield
Like basically this is supposed to be
Supposed to be like the case that's unlike any other case. They're trying to merge
Art and technology. Yes, they're making a case. That's carbon fiber. Yes
That belongs on the desk of like the ceo all of that is awesome
I just disagree with the form factor they chose being this particular car shape
Why does it want to look like why it look like a car?
It should just look like some kind of weird
form
If anything you think so like a little carbon fiber blob or something?
So there there's kind of the best look that we have at what the finished finish will look like what the girls will look like
This is done by the singularity computers guys if it was anyone else then i'd be like
Yeah, that's dumb. Forget it. Are they in australia? Uh, yeah
But these guys know
gorgeous
gorgeous
Work and these guys if there was anyone that I think would actually be able to build something like this
And make it incredible. These guys would be it. Why is that?
Just because they have they have a long history of just building
Amazing art pieces. They only got two backers though. So it seems like most people agree with you or at least most people with um,
Um six thousand us dollars. That's what the pledge is. Is that the minimum pledge?
That's not the minimum pledge, but that's the minimum pledge to get a case
I did the math. They're looking for 148 000 us dollars
Yeah, that will sell that will allow them to to build 24 units. So that's like 6100 bucks each
I mean obviously
They had to get the expertise that to build the facility like there's people hours involved
Yeah, but they already have it's not like they're going to retail for six grand eventually. They just want to become a case manufacturer
This will never be retail. They're going to sell them on their site
Oh, are they didn't you read by comprehensive show notes? No
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. You're allowed to give me shit about them poo
Okay
poo emoji about them
About them, so I don't know I uh, I I think it's cool
I I don't I I
Okay, you know what? I actually don't have much of a defense for it
So this was originally posted by north storm on the forum
I think it's cool. I think it's different. I think it's something different
Definitely and I think that it's good for the industry to see things that are different and I hope it succeeds
I hope it succeeds too there I do
All right. This one. I'm not really sure what I want this puppy on my desk tonight
This thing's sweet. This is another thing. I want to watch
You want to watch I like to watch oh
Phillips readies the curved ultra wide 492 p8 display
a 49 inch
32 by 9 so to be clear
This is two of them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because for some reason
for some reason
You would you would want to spend
2200 dollars to have one bezel rather than a cross of bezels
Um when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost
If I were to have by just having four displays i'd rather put them side by side and I have this kick it no
Okay, as someone who's actually done ultra wide iafinity I can tell you the experience is not as good as you might think
It's like looking unpleasant looking up high
Although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor. We looked at. Yeah, probably but I don't like it
32 by 9 this thing is just bizarre
Um, so the original article is from a non-tech there
It's not quantum dot. There's no free sync 2 the refresh rate is unknown. It's about a grand and the resolution is uh,
Oh, of course you oh, no, there it is 3840 by 1080. What were you about to say?
What were you about to say? I was about to say that of course the same guy who didn't put any any of the specs
So the new iphones wouldn't put the resolution of a monitor, but you did 600 dits brightness is pretty high
5000 to one contrast I find kind of hard to believe unless that's what they always say
Our tests never have anything close to that maybe a va panel
Um set to launch in q2 of 2018. We have already confirmed. We are getting one
Well, all this is to say you miss a crucial piece here
So we've seen a super ultra out already from samsung that got announced
This is actually the same panel. Samsung is supplying the panel to phillips. Okay, it's just
Samsung's is more gamery. Samsung's is 144 hertz
We don't know the refresh rate of this one yet. Samsung's is quantum quantum dot and all these other expensive features
This is the value one exactly
So if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for working schmo who needs
49 inches of display
Yeah for your average joe who still has a thousand bucks, but not 1500 bucks
This is it. All right fair enough
All right, so I think that pretty much does it for uh, the wan show for this week. Thanks guys for tuning in
Thanks james for coming on for the last time and uh, we will see you guys again next week. Same bat time same bat channel
Can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f bombs
frank fairly fern gully
Fire truck. Oh, by the way, the calendar we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar. No, come on
You
Crazy guys that monitor's not coming out next summer by the way next summer. Yeah. No, this is q2 2018
Oh, I know but we're getting one
Apparently the wan show twitch chat is terrible
I really
Don't know. What does that mean? What do you mean by that? What this person was expecting?
Oh, just someone posted on the forum. The wan show twitch chat is terrible in what way?
I don't know everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy. Yeah, I guess I did
Is no I was