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Welcome to the wan show guys the show where we talk about technology and oh whatever screw it
If you guys are watching this you probably know what we do at this point
We've been doing this for like a year more than that more than that quite a bit. Yeah
One year anniversary it might be
Freakishly closer to yeah, I think it's kind of a little late on this anyway. We've got a great show for you guys today
We've got steam in home streaming valve has finally
Started letting people try the beta. There's mixed reports all over the internet. We're gonna be discussing that
Unfortunately, we haven't tried it personally yet, but that may change over the weekend wink wink nudge more on that a little bit later
We've also got that South Korea is working on 5g wireless connectivity
And not just enabling it in handsets, but actually developing the infrastructure for it. So more on that later
I guess this is the teaser so it's all more on that later
Although I'm not saying any that anyone is a moron
I'm just saying that the information will come later and there will be more of it
What else we got there's a candied attempt at trademarking the word candy only a few people understand that
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All right, so let's jump into our first topic of the day alienwares steam machine not
impossible to upgrade this made waves earlier in the week when I believe the article that I saw was also on Kotaku
But it was said that alienwares steam machine
So this is basically guys just a PC was going to be non upgradeable and I kind of looked at that and I went well
How can you have a PC that's completely non upgradeable? I mean you should be able to upgrade RAM
Maybe unless they soldered the PCB or unless it was like at a maximum capacity already
Yeah, okay could technically like I don't know unless it was already maxed to the spec of the mother
I mean, you should be able to upgrade your drive even consoles
Even the PlayStation allows you to upgrade the drive on it. So I was kind of looking at it going
Okay, so it's not upgradeable
Anyway, alienware has come out and they have clarified. It's not completely impossible to upgrade
We just don't really recommend it
It is smaller and upgrading the internal components will not be as easy as compared to other platforms
But we will not prevent a customer from upgrading is what their general manager Frank Azor told Eurogamer
So I guarantee you someone will do it at least just to prove that they can
But that person would have to buy an alienware steam machine in the first place
That's a good point. Can you think of a good reason to buy a steam machine?
I've talked about this in a few I think at least two
I'm not sure exactly how many of my videos at CES
I would cover something at a booth and I'd be like this would really be cool to put in your own
Built by yourself steam machine because you don't need to go buy one
I mean, is this the is this the whole console versus PC conversation all over again?
My favorite thing about it too is that everyone's like oh, but the steam machines not competing with consoles
Oh, come on, that's not what it's supposed to do. We all love each other
Like yeah, no. No, it's there for a point. No, you can't
I mean
It's it's interesting but like I know what about people who buy pre-built PCs and
Prefer to just have something delivered to them ready to go
I mean installing steam OS might get easier later, but right now it's a bit of a pain in the ass candy rather
So
Could you recommend to anyone with a straight face to buy a steam machine?
Yeah, like a pre-built one like an alien if there was like literally no one to build it for them
But I don't know anywhere that there is no one to build it for you because places like NCX
And I know of a lot of other small computer stores as well
We'll just charge you like 50 bucks and then build it for you
I mean, it might be okay as long as I mean motherboard and power supply
I guess they're gonna be the really challenging ones
So while you might be able to squeeze a small RAM upgrade or a drive upgrade or even an intergenerational
CPU upgrade assuming it assuming thermals are okay. Yeah, you're not going to be upgrading it in any significant way
Anyway, alienware just suggests you grab an alienware x51
If you ever ever ever actually think you might try to change anything or you could build your own or you could just build your own
Which is yeah, probably the better way to go in my opinion
Which brings us to our next
Steam machine topic man. I'm so excited for steam OS being not beta anymore
Although I would settle for beta at this point if they were willing to give me the in-home streaming
Are you properly set up? Am I properly set up? Yeah, I could be very easily. My steam machine is downstairs all I know
I mean like is your steam account. Yes in the group. Yeah. Yeah, so guys
Why don't we just do a quick run-through of what in-home streaming is so it's steam's
Counter to Nvidia's game stream technology or or really any other
Local streaming technology except much more open and much more flexible. I mean from the very start it's running in Linux
So it's inherently open and probably going to be quite, you know hackable and play with able and then next up
Valve is coming right out and saying look we want you to run the streaming service on
Anything that can possibly handle it or anything at least that can run steam
So that means if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC down to a little tiny like gigabyte bricks
On your TV you could do that if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC to your laptop
You could do that if you wanted to stream from your laptop to a tablet
With like a controller plugged into it or a Bluetooth control on it
you could do that the idea is anything that can run steam can
Wirelessly beam a game or wirelessly receive a game and then send the controls back the other way. So
They've released it as a beta and the verdicts are kind of rolling in although it's very much unfinished at this point
And it looks like unless you're running gigabit Ethernet
You're probably not going to have a terrific experience if you're trying to game at 1080p 60fps
But you can play around with the settings somewhat so you can change to 30fps
You can change to 720p. You can even go down to 720p 30fps if you're having trouble
But from the reports I'm seeing as long as you're running a strong dual band
So that is 2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi connection or you have gigabit Ethernet, then you're probably going to be able to
1080p at least will work on the wired connection
Drop down from all that to wired connection
Well, it's just a reality. I mean even with Nvidia shield, so that's 70 70p
60 frames per second 70p
We've gone back to Commodore 64 resolutions because lol
So that's 720p 60 frames per second and unless you're within a very reasonable range of your access point
It's not a great experience. I mean Nvidia has done a fantastic job of
Dynamically altering the image quality according to what it can handle. So I don't know how much you've played with it
I haven't you took both of them, right?
That is what I actually haven't touched one other than at the NCX LAN
Okay, cool, so basically what it does is it just reduces color depth whenever it can't handle
Whenever it can't handle the data rate that it needs
So as you move around the house
You might have you know
Really great color depth and no blockiness and then if you move further away from your access point
It might become blocky and and look less clean, but but it should still be low latency in theory
I mean, it's not always perfect
So, I don't know how well valves works in this regard because I haven't actually tried it yet, but there's good news
NCIX keys has given us access to his steam account. He got a bit everyone at NCIX got one
Wheels got an invite. He's got an invite Jack got an invite neither of us
Got beta access. So I'm gonna try it out. I'm gonna play around with it. I'm gonna be using I'll run
I'll run a proper gigabit cable down to my TV and then I'll try it with power line because I have kind of a cheesy power
Line adapter down there. That isn't very good. I'll see if that works then I'll try wireless
So I'll have to take those ubiquity access points home over the weekend, but I'm really excited to play around with this
Guys that are interested in jumping on the beta. It's not the like steam account beta opt-in. That's for other stuff
This is you have to go find the in-home streaming group and join the group
So it's it's not gonna it's not your auto opt-in that you might have set on your account settings
It's actually more than that, which some people did not realize. Oh, I'm so stoked about this. I mean being able to sit in bed and
You know fire up the old laptop and play desktop grade games
with a controller like
Well, this brings back on onboard graphics. Yeah. Yeah, this brings back the I'm excited for like next generation
Thing but not necessarily for valve streaming I want faster internal home networks
Right so that we can actually support all this stuff a lot better because I found especially wireless has been a big issue in this
Term, I would love for you guys to tell us how important this is to you. Tell us how excited you'd be about this
but what do you think of trying to get our hands on a 4k display and
And
Running that on our 10 gig network here because we here in the office. We have a 10 gigabit internal network
We're using direct attach copper with SFP plus
Modules that are built right into them
We have a 10 gig switch and we have a few 10 gig
I have still another adapter to spare that we could throw into the steam machine and get that fired
Well, I was thinking we should do like a big roundup
So we can just add that as the like
extreme ridiculous level of the roundup because we should have like a netbook and a bricks and a gaming laptop and a medium desktop and
a big desktop and
Like a 4k set up that sounds like way more work. Well, we can exclude some of those
like what I mean is like have a range of stuff and
Show that it's probably mainly network that actually matters, right? Right, right
I mean one other thing I was even thinking about already was like okay MacBook Air has Thunderbolt
Remember that magma external Thunderbolt PCI Express enclosure you throw a 10 gigabit adapter in there
All of a sudden you've got 10 gigabit to 10 gigabit to 10 gigabit
You've got a full 10 gigabit link between a gaming desktop and a Mac which can run steam
Yeah
So when once I actually are you trying to like justify the purchase of a MacBook or like what's what's the what's the point?
Does Debian support thunderbolt?
I don't think so, but I don't know why
Yeah, cuz you could then you could throw steam OS on the MacBook. You could get your beta. Yeah, that's that's actually interesting
I wonder if they do so. Yeah. Anyway guys, we'd love to hear
People who are talking about Bieber guys. We don't talk about Justin Bieber on this show
That's just not that's just not a thing that we talked about. I'm sorry
I wish we could because he's just so dreamy looks like it does
So then we could be looking at pretty much the most lightweight possible device
Running the most bawling possible graphics. I mean I might not even you did I show you the thing in gigabyte suite they had
They had an external
PCI Express like graphics card enclosure. Okay, they actually had this thing running using external SAS cables
And they're like, yeah, we're kind of working on the interface
They just had they had a computer
They had a computer that had like holes drilled in it and like SAS cables running out of it
So like this external enclosure, they're like, yeah, we're oh it was working. That's it was running. So they're like, yeah
We're working on the interface. We might use like thunderbolt or USB 3 or something. I'm like, yeah, you better do that
Cuz this is this is not a this is not a good idea
Could actually use the water cooling holes in their computers if they like didn't want to put a graphics card in their desktop for whatever reason
SAS
Express card to know it was a proprietor proprietary interface card nice to SAS cables to external box
It's like ridiculous just why but it would be cool. I don't know why but it would still be cool
So anyway, this
Might have gotten to the point where I just don't care about that anymore
Because if I could just have one device in my house that can stream to anything in my house
Then why would I want a dedicated hard line between that graphics card and the other thing?
So before that thing came out it now doesn't really matter. Yeah, and the stupid thing about it is
Everyone's been teasing these external graphics card enclosures for so long and now we've gotten to the point where it might just not matter
I mean, this is my problem with the new Mac Pro
It relies on this non
switchable
Non-networked interface it relies on a point-to-point connection between device and device B to me
That is not the future. That is not the connected home. That is not the connected life. That's not the Internet of Things
That's not what it's about
It's about everything being able to access the same pooled resources, you know
Cloud computing is an example of this on a much broader scale, but the personal cloud is what really excites me
so having that
machine in your house that lives in the closet and now can be full of hard drives for your own personal cloud storage and then
it can be full of
Graphics cards so you can be in graphics horsepower to yourself
You look at this internet connectivity that the Koreans are working on. What is it? 300 megabit per second the 5g stuff
Yeah, no is gigabyte sorry, well how much gigabyte I must have been looking at the wrong thing one gigabyte per second
Yeah, they want you to be able to download a movie in a second and they want you to be able to access the Internet
On a 500 mile an hour bullet train
Okay
So there you go one gigabyte per second connectivity if they can get the latencies down enough and remember guys
We sort of you know freak out about input lag and about latency a lot
But consider this for a moment
I can ping Nvidia's game stream servers and I think it was about 35
Milliseconds and that's from hundreds of kilometers away. I'm well north of Santa Clara
Okay on a more on a wireless connection. You might be able to achieve
Let's say in the future, you know a best-case scenario if you could achieve 30 to 50 milliseconds of ping
that might be doable a
TV will often have in excess of 30 to 50 milliseconds of input lag
consider that if you can game on a TV if you could have a nice low latency display on a device like a shield or
a phone and
Pretty much the only delay left was that network connection
You could actually have and if you had a faster home internet, so we've got fiber here now
So even you don't need a ton of bandwidth. You just need a consistent connection
So between fiber and having a consistent wireless connection
You could actually be looking at beaming your cloud storage your cloud computing to yourself pretty much wherever you want
That is the future not an octopus of you know, thunderbolt cables coming out of one box
However, beautiful and small and actually quiet. I finally had a chance to see a new Mac Pro in person and it is phenomenally quiet
I got to give them that anyway, I don't think so the the
5g technology that they're showing off can beam gigabyte per second over more than gigabyte per second over a distance of two kilometers
Unbelievable here. Why don't we why don't we launch into that?
Just because I think I'm pretty much done with steam in-home streaming and you know candy you valve for not
Including us in that super unhappy, but at least I get to try it
Yeah, that's a good point. This won't be ready for
Commercial for until about 2020 and they're gonna do like testing of it. We're not talking about in-home streaming. We're talking about yeah
I wasn't sure you were up yet or not
Which will be ready for testing like I said in 2017 and ready for commercial service in 2020
Hopefully this is a bid for Korea to try and get more on the network infrastructure side of things
They've been really really big obviously
Hold on hold on
Sorry guys, sorry guys, I got this I got this
Yeah, yeah, is that running the whole time no no no no I I've been monitoring okay, yeah, don't worry it's all good
Okay. Okay. Sorry talk about this. So 1.5 billion bucks on movie in a second service
Yeah
And this second service was tested a lot by Samsung and Samsung was able to beam faster than like I already said faster than gigabyte
Per second for two kilometers
This would enable people to access it on bullet trains going faster than 500 kilometers an hour
Which is ridiculous. I might have said 500 miles previously. It's 310 miles an hour 500 kilometers an hour
That's absurd right now. The cap is 300
kilometers an hour
Yeah, so to put this in perspective guys one gigabyte per second after you know overhead
The quick and dirty conversion is 10x if you want to get to gigabit
so this is effectively as fast as a Thunderbolt connection and
Obviously not every individual user is gonna get that kind of
Of data throughput all the time and much like that test they were doing in London
This is a this is a proof of concept right now by the time it gets rolled out to mass market
We could be looking at much lower cost
Infrastructure and sort of that 80-20 rule
How can we spend 20% as much as we did on that research project and achieve 80% of those results or even 60% of those?
Results, but either way if I could get anywhere near that if I could get a hundred megabytes per second
That would be gigabit speeds on something like this now
We're talking that's still insane like absolutely insane and the whole idea of this is
Korea's saying that with 2g 3g and 4g they saw a national boost of just like everything like national growth was just
Better with those infrastructures so the idea with 5g is we're gonna do that again
And the idea is that they're gonna be producing network infrastructure so right now
They're really big in the mobile handheld game
But they want to be really big in the infrastructure that goes behind pushing data to those they expect to see 20% of that
Telecom infrastructure by 2020, and I think they're running at about like 4.4% now
So it's actually a huge increase and given how quickly mobile is growing that
Smart could be a lot more than five times or four times what they're doing now. Yeah, exactly yeah
That's pretty crazy Samsung was able to do it by harnessing millimeter wave bands
Which were apparently a huge issue tell me something and I'd love to hear you know what let's do a Twitter blitz
We don't do those enough these days. That's true a Twitter blitz guys. Would you consider moving?
Like let's let's use South Korea as an example
Okay
Would you consider packing your packing your candy and moving across the globe for better?
IT infrastructure if you were living in somewhere with like basically crap-tastic internet that you're paying way too much for would you go
Okay, I'm willing to do what so many immigrants have done the other way around
Let's let's I'm gonna talk to the North Americans out there
You know the people who just
Drop everything and come to this, you know, the the new world so to speak to make their fortune
Would you be willing to do the opposite?
would you be willing to move to South Korea to get much much better internet and television service and
You know mobile broadband and you know access to better handsets and all that kind of stuff
Are you a technology enabled lifestyle enough person that that would matter enough to you to move?
Would love to hear from you guys on this. How about you personally?
Yes, but I think ours is at least good enough that I'm not there right now
What if okay because define good enough, it's good enough for what we do with it. Yeah, it's good enough for email
It's good enough for streaming low quality video
But nothing, you know 4k or anything, obviously
What if by moving to okay here so stay with me. What if 2020 rolls around?
Okay
oculus is
Okay, so oculus is wireless by this time dirty, okay
Valve has released steam for Android. Okay. Okay, and you could literally be sitting on a train
Playing a game on a bullet train traveling in 500 kilometers an hour
Maybe faster than that by then maybe faster than that by then playing a game that's running on your desktop at home with full 4k
graphics
Would you move for that experience if back here in North America?
We're still on 4g and we're like figuring out how to play like Netflix on our phones still and dealing with
You know bandwidth caps I could see that I could actually see that maybe not for the bullet train thing
But there's a billion and one other examples that could work like and the bullet train ones. Not a bad example. It's just yeah
That
Yeah, that would be pretty cool because there's stuff like people are talking about the the valve holodeck
Like if that kind of by 2020 like they're talking this kind of stuff should be consumer not necessarily the holodeck
but like valve is saying that
That VR should be consumer ready and good like actually really good and that's valve saying it should be good
In the next like two years, right? It's not 2020. It should be freaking epic by 2020
So so it's it's it's the the possibilities all the possibilities so yes probably
Because VR I'm kind of I'm kind of kind of really liking the whole VR thing
All right, let's go ahead and see what the folks on Twitter think
Johan says no because porn is censored in Korea. That's actually kind of a valid hotspot shield
Yeah, actually speaking of show sponsors hotspot shield is not our sponsor today
But you used hotspot shield in Korea, right? Yep, we could not access any Google services for some reason
In our hotel lobby and we didn't have Wi-Fi. We didn't have a mobile connections at the time
So we only had Wi-Fi possibilities and we had to sit in the hotel lobby and somehow communicate with each other
So hot spot shield Google services. Yeah
Anyway, there you go had a plan to move to oh
Someone was apparently already thinking about it, but we don't know who it is anymore
Oh
My goodness what to happen there? I don't know. Oh, okay. Here we go. Here we go
Emo polar bear had a plan to move to Sweden for better IT and education. Oh, that's yeah, that's my friend
I know him Dar Dar tell figures. Nope. Nope. I would absolutely move to South Korea for phenomenally better internet
It's funny because when you talk about country growth and how you can stimulate it better infrastructure
This is that I mean you look at the you look at the candy backwards way
We're doing it here in Canada where they build a bridge and then put a toll on it
But he has to an enormous toll one that can that one that costs even
If you're a regular user and you buy a pass about seven dollars a day to get to and from work
I mean when you factor in that minimum wage here is ten dollars and the income tax on a minimum wage earner could be anywhere
From after sales taxes for things like food could be as much as like 30%
We're talking about an hour of your day an eighth of your day if you're a full-time laborer
Just across a bridge that doesn't even factor in gas and whatever else if you're expected to drive a car
Which if you're in that municipality you pretty much have to because the public transit here is terrible
I've changed how I get over there. Oh, I know I go in different routes because it's so expensive
So people are like, oh, I don't save on gas. You don't wait in traffic that much
That's the that's that's the candy backwards way of doing things you give people things that they need
I mean the Romans had this figured out you build roads and the the economic advantages will come
No, we're like, well, no, we have to you have to pay us for the road after we build anyway
So South Korea is investing they are making their country a better place to live and we're seeing it in the responses already
Yeah, I would I would move to I would move to a country that offers better infrastructure and better services
Anyway, so slow-mo figures. Yes
Peter figures I would if I had the money and candy is trademarked that
Yeah, no, they're trying I wouldn't move but I would keep it in mind if I was ever on a trip near there
I would totally move from America says Mitch. Nope in Ohio. I got what I need in Singapore
There's already one gigabyte per second plans not for not for mobile. That's not what we're talking about
Yep. Yes. Yes
No, unless they're willing to lower prices change piracy laws and have a government like ours hashtag democracy
lower prices on what
No, I wouldn't but I would appreciate if the Canadian ISPs would get their candy together
Yeah, gotcha. If I could still speak English then yes, that's an interesting like it doesn't necessarily have to be Korea as well
I think I think the question is more would you move I did specifically say Korea though. Yeah, okay
I sure I'm sure would can't get enough even willing to pay more. They just won't give it up
Not unless us became more terrible. Okay, that's from David. I would move from Germany to Korea for internet
Wow, look at that
No doubt, I would jump on the next plane. This is a lot of people saying yes
It's actually a little bit more people saying yes than I expected
This is a lot more than I was expecting chance asks if I've learned about if I've heard about limelight pie and asks to talk
About it. We were actually discussing that earlier this week
It's not one of our topics for the show today specifically
But we might as well talk about a little bit the last time I tried limelight was over a month ago
So I don't know if what I'm saying is valid anymore, but it's a terrible experience
This was using an Nvidia shield and then I also tried it on an HTC one, which has a Qualcomm processor
So it should support the h.264 hardware decoding that is required for the best possible experience and it just wasn't very good
it was extremely laggy compared to
Nvidia game stream and I'd be willing to give it another shot in the next little bit here, but
Basically what chance is asking about is sort of a movement right now to use limelight
Which is could be used for game streaming and already kind of works on a Raspberry Pi
To have a very very low power very small very efficient game streaming box
It's actually really cool because if it did work really well, I don't know. I haven't tried it at all and he said it a while ago
Incredibly cheap. Yeah, you could basically strap a Raspberry Pi to the back of every single display you own and have all your gaming horsepower right there
And I think that is the future. Mm-hmm. I mean, oh man. Okay, you already have a wireless Bluetooth speaker in your shower
Yeah, if you could have a wireless
Waterproof game controller in your shower
You could have like a tablet dock and you could literally game in the shower. I'd be down. I already dance and sing
So yeah, so you might as well game. Yeah, I mean waterproof oculus. Okay. Now we're probably
You could just do like Mario under undersea levels
What the candies wrong with you nothing I like my candy oculus
alright, ah
Let's move on to our next topic. I think speech recognition hack potentially turns Chrome into a
An advanced bugging device. This is posted on the forum by Fushi and the original article is by Ars Technica
So I think you had done a little bit more looking into this than I had
So it's not like if you just skim it real quick
it's not quite as bad as it first looks because
What happens is you go you have to go to a website and tell that website that you can that it can use your mic
The problem is it's not disabling it when you tell it to so you tell it to disable your mic
you go to a different website that website then has to have a
Pop-up that you have to not close and then it can record what you're saying because that pop-ups there and can record it
But like the amount of times that that series of events will properly happen is I don't think very high
Although it is still a serious problem
I'm not saying it's not a serious problem and I can't believe they haven't fixed it as they've known for four months
Which is kind of crazy. They say it's not evil, but it could very easily be used for something bad and
Someone other than the person that found it might find a way to run this say without a pop-up with the second you remove the
pop-up or pop-under
It's I think becomes a much bigger deal
Yeah, because the the second the second there isn't that thing that everyone has trained themselves to automatically close immediately
It's it's all like way more serious because
There's gonna be a lot more websites where their voice activated Google now if you go to Google's home page
Has their voice activation but not there maybe on Chrome has there
Yeah, I guess it would be Chrome has their voice activation button
So people that are searching Google based on voice
That's now a thing and then if it wasn't a pop-up, it would be a lot easier for that to happen. There we go
Yeah, here it is guys in case you haven't seen it yet
So the voice activation button just on the right side of the search bar
So if he presses that tell me about the privacy issues associated with your voice record
Oh, I have to click allow. So there you go. You have to click allow. Yeah
Tell me about the privacy issues that this voice activation is going to cause
Oh
Cost it was doing so well up till then it was. All right, so there's something about Google Glass something about Xbox one
Anyway, that's not really the point of our conversation right now
So so I think it's slightly sensationalized as I think a lot of people freaked out immediately
But I really don't think very many people are gonna run up into this
As people automatically close pop-ups and I don't think that many people are using not everyone automatically closes pop-ups
I mean
I think that sometimes you're guilty of this and I think sometimes we all are of
Assuming a level of technical competence that other people don't but it's not that's my thing. It's not technical competence
It's people being annoyed
Pop-unders are completely different story and what she's talking about in the video is a pop-under because you might not notice it and especially
Okay for years my mom refused to click the X button in the top, right?
I've never met someone like that in all my life support years
She insisted on clicking the little line because she was used to I don't know Windows 3.1 or something
Where and and like even in 3.1 you weren't supposed to do that
Like everything would just be like piled up at the bottom
There are people that exist
That you're not close pop-ups
But then how many of them are gonna have a setup that has a mic where they can use voice activation research with a laptop
any one of them
Because that's what I just did on my laptop
All I had to do was click allow one have you ever done that outside of that environment?
Which environment the one we just had on the show? No, yeah, but that's not that's not the point
Like someone like you could disguise. I mean, okay, you'll look at scams that you and I kind of laugh at
Viruses blah blah blah blah click. Yes now
That is what we're talking about here
Yeah, that's very true and like it will happen
That's why I'm saying I just don't think it'll happen as much and because there's gonna be such in my opinion a small
Demographic that you can target with this
I don't think there's gonna be a crazy amount of websites out there
Pushing for this because when you're making a virus or something, you're looking at you underestimate the market of dumb candies that are out there
Yeah, I know but like that's that's the whole thing where people were saying like oh there's no viruses on max
It's because the market was much smaller
There's more viruses on Windows not because Mac was harder to write viruses for but because there was such a larger user base
So you think because there are so few people with laptops with microphones? Oh
So few people that are gonna actually do this
Like in in in the example in the video she goes to a website where you can make it to do list with your voice
Yes, how many people are gonna do that? Not very many like how many how many times is someone gonna go to a website?
Okay, how about this?
What if you created a pop-up that made someone go to a website?
Where it convinced them that their bank needed a voice clip from them for security. That's actually not too bad
That's what I'm trying to say. How are you pushing that pop-up?
some other website
Like no, but really like consider consider the Nigerian prince
Okay
People fall for that that it still exists
Yeah, and that they're still doing it enough people actually send money to someone never mind
Just record a voice clip, which is seemingly completely innocuous
The Nigerian
We had a card game, okay
The Linus media group card game would have the night
Card and that would be the trump card. All right, you play the Nigerian prince and it's all over. Yeah. Yeah, it's done
It's over at least I did the whole time we were talking
I was like, it's gonna come out at some point and then I'm done
Totally screwed. Yeah. Yeah, so they need to fix that they do I can't believe it hasn't like even
Despite what I was arguing with
They've known for four months
I can't believe it has been fixed because like no matter how small of an issue I might think it is
It's still an issue. Yeah, and it still should have been fixed and they're like, oh, it's not evil
But it can very easily be used for evil
They even have things where it can it can start up the recording based if it hears certain words
So if you say like NSA or Syria, it'll start recording
Hashtag killed your wife. It could probably start recording that
And and it can it can like manipulate that text so it can it can take that text and save it somewhere else specifically be
easily because it shows in the video she says NSA in Syria and it
Like bold's it makes it big
Formats a little bit makes it red meaning that you could pull those out easily with a different program and then save them somewhere, right?
Speaking of privacy concerns Microsoft offers overseas data storage in response to NSA concerns
It's supposed to buy HD ZX on the forum and the original article is from the verge
This to me is okay
Everyone else is probably talking about the implications of the overseas data storage and
How that may or may not actually affect the NSA is ability to steal the data
I mean, it would probably cause more of a fuss with the local government of wherever the data storage is
But it seems like they haven't cared about that in the past
So, I don't know how much that'll help but to me this is more of a potential long-term
extremely
Dangerous path that the u.s. Is headed down. Yep. I mean right now
One of what you look to you look to the huge US based corporations
That are driving revenue into the country the Microsoft's and Google's and apples of the world
If you candy those guys off enough
Why wouldn't they just leave and this could be a thickly veiled?
Attempt to slowly move infrastructure out so you can move out
So all of a sudden Microsoft has been forced not even necessarily because they want to but they have been forced to move
Their resources out of the country not only that but remember the whole like made in the USA
And I mean I'm talking North America in general, you know
Apple's push new mag pro assembled in the USA, you know that being a selling point all of a sudden
The US government has created so much negativity
Around this data security and privacy issue that now it is a selling point that they've outsourced it
There's there's actually there's a there was mainly a while ago
not really now as far as I can tell a huge phobia about made in China because there always is but
Because of security issues what if they bugged the chip or what if they did whatever, right?
So so people were worried about that a lot and I see less people worried about that now and now people are worried about
That in America. Yeah, just like how did you screw that up so hard? Well, actually we know exactly how they screwed that up. So
So that's that's extremely that's extremely troubling to me how they could have let this get so far out of hand
So there's there's a few things that people are bringing up which you already dismissed some of them
Like like there's the thing brought up a while ago how the NSA had actually
Penetrated into Microsoft Yahoo and Google and all like a ton of different guys internal networks
So like does this even help maybe not probably still in there?
I don't know
But either way Microsoft is moving out and like you said the biggest thing probably is the fact that they are moving
Infrastructure out and they could potentially mean they would have already needed data centers overseas
Yeah, but now they have an excuse to move more of it. Yeah more exactly
interesting more Microsoft news
Yeah, that's not all that's not all positive for Microsoft this week. There is a big hubbub around
Microsoft paying youtubers for mentions. So let's go ahead and fire that up over here. This is posted on the forum by devil Z and
Dude, you really gotta flesh things out a little bit more. The original article is from Ars Technica
So stealth marketing Microsoft paying youtubers for Xbox one mentions
so
Microsoft was involved machinima the multi-channel network was involved and I'd like to start by saying that we have nothing to do with
Machinima and just because some youtubers are partnered with machinima doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people
It just means they might have gotten suckered a little bit machinima's reputation among the youtuber community is quite negative
They've done some pretty shady stuff over the years
including things like
Perpetual contracts with youtubers which are illegal and then perpetual contracts with underage youtubers. Yeah, which is
illegal too
So they're both illegal and then pressuring these people and making them feel like they can't leave and they can't get out
Like machinima has not always been the most
Straight edge company necessarily, but with that said
Um, you know what? Okay, you know what here I'll let you explain what was going on
And then I'll weigh in with my spiel
I'd love to hear what you guys think on Twitter about this as well Linus tech on Twitter
Explain what you're what's going on as in like how they were doing it. I just talked about what happened
So there's they proposed a three dollar CPM
So you get three extra dollars per thousand views that you got and there was a lot by the way
It's it adds up. There was some prerequisites though. You had to be a machinima partner
You had to have at least 30 seconds of Xbox one game footage
You had to mention the Xbox one by name and you had to include the tag XB 1m 13
there was also a few other things like in the
Guidelines for it may not say anything negative or disparaging about machinima Xbox one or any of its games
So it had to include footage you had to mention Xbox one by name and you had to be positive
No matter what. You don't have to be positive. You can't say anything disparaging
Okay, that there's a guess you could be neutral you could be neutral you could be neutral
They'd be positive or neutral, but if they put a clause that says don't say anything negative
I think the implication is you should say something positive. So you're not wrong. You're just not necessarily technically, right?
Yeah, okay
So so this and like quite a few people jumped on it actually and machinima got flamed for it
and then there's other big problems like
The main thing being that I don't think too many people would have had a big problem with it if they were open about it
A lot of youtubers did this without mentioning the whole kickback thing because I think it had to be confidential
I think there's actually somewhere in here. Yeah, it had to be confidential in some form
But you must also keep details of the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment
So the idea is if it was super transparent, I don't think too many people would have cared much
But because it was so shady a lot of people cared there's actually FTC guidelines saying that say you received a gift from someone and
Then you did a did coverage on it in some way. It has not necessarily a gift like even a review sample. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, I think it does you have to you have to you have to specify and that's this isn't America in Canada
I actually don't have to tell you guys that I got a sample
I think it's implied though because usually I'll tell you guys I bought it if it isn't a review sample
So yeah, and then I know they're extra things like like the oculus review that's coming out or came out
I guess for me I bought that and then there's a Wii U one coming out soon that was purchased as well like
Usually unless it's like unboxing blah blah blah blah blah. We we actually bought it. Yeah
Yeah, I guess that's my take on it. So, um
Problem or not a problem. I think problem
I
Think
There is a problem here, but not necessarily for the reasons that a lot of people think I think the clause about not saying anything
disparaging about
Microsoft machinima or
games is
Maybe I don't actually think that's necessarily that bad because it's implied it's implied and well
Okay, the problem is if you had something negative to say just don't take it. Yes
Yeah, so it like if you take you can take this bonus you have to say something nice
You cannot take this bonus and say whatever the hell you want. There's candy. Okay, whatever the candy you want
It's it's optional so that I don't necessarily mind. I don't like the you have to keep it confidential blah blah blah
So here's the thing. For example our Squarespace sponsorship. There's a confidentiality class
Okay, I can't tell you guys how much Squarespace is paying us when they sponsor the land show
For example
So that I'm not saying that's the same thing. It's not I'm just saying that it's fairly typical for a sponsorship or
Advertising agreement to have some kind of confidentiality. It's not the fact that there is one it's the details within no, you're right
You're right. I am 100% allowed to disclose
Squarespace is a sponsor of the show
and in fact
I feel quite strongly that anyone who is sponsoring us anyone who is directly giving us money to bring our content to you guys
you guys should know about it because you guys should be like
Good job Squarespace for recognizing that we like this content and we want to see more of it
Thank you very much for allowing Linus and his team to keep making it
I mean, I personally think that sponsorships and support should be as public as possible
And you guys are more than welcome to ask me at any time who our sponsors are and I'll be happy to tell you
Yes, this was paid for this wasn't paid for and these guys are sponsors or these guys are not sponsors. That's all great
Hotspot shield just sent me an email hotspot shield happens to be a sponsor as well the issue here more than anything else is
Not disclosing that Microsoft. I mean even if you were to say even if they were to say something as simple as
Microsoft asked me to do this Xbox one gameplay video
Yeah, so I want to take a moment to thank Microsoft and
Talk to you guys a little bit about the Xbox one and show you this gameplay
And like like the fact that they said it has to be positive doesn't necessarily mean that it's skewing the person's views
Person might have already had positive things to say about it. So they're not I don't that part
On the other hand it might have and I think when you look at the terms of this campaign
It seems to be designed to target guys who otherwise might not necessarily have been talking about the Xbox one
but with all of that said
Everyone who took the money knew the terms before they took the money
Yep, so if you have a problem with the way that any of this was implemented then take it up with the youtuber
I mean, I don't agree with Microsoft's approach and I don't particularly care for Machinima's way of doing business either
Let's make that abundantly clear
But if you don't like what a youtuber is taking money for your issue is with the youtuber not necessarily with the sponsor
You'll notice we don't have an Xbox one video
No, we don't we have an Xbox once over there in a corner collecting dust like it should be
Has it turned on
Let's do 30 seconds of gameplay
We can show like the gameplay versus PC footage cuz all we said is it was sitting there
We didn't say it was doing a bad job. It's doing a quite good job of sitting there. Yeah, it looks great
It hasn't broken the Kinect
Because we haven't turned it on
Love it. I guess it's like it's like what is it?
Apparently someone from PC Master Race subreddit got an email to promote the Xbox one
I mean guerrilla marketing is not a new thing
There's also someone in here telling us that we're in video sponsored believe it or not
We're not Nvidia hasn't done any paid promotion with us in about a year
So, there you go, oh man
All right. Let's move on to our next topic. I give in video sponsorship speaking of it. Oh, what's going on?
Oh, yeah
No, let's do the Nvidia topic first. Okay. Yeah, here we go. All right, so we've got an Nvidia topic here for you guys
Black is back. This is just a rumor, but I hope there's well, actually, I don't know what I think about this rumor
It might just be a totally stupid rumor. It was posted by brown ninja 97 on the forum
The original article is from video cards
calm
So there you go Nvidia to launch GeForce GTX Titan black edition and GeForce GTX 790
The Titan black edition looks like a somewhat real mock-up that GTX 790
No
Does not look like a real thing at all looks like the Titan one with an MS paint black thing and then like some text
Over it and maybe sort of the correct font
But basically the rumor is that the 790 would be a dual gk 110 card
Which is gotta be difficult kind of terrifying
Obviously, it wouldn't have the same clock speeds or all the same functional units
And then the Titan black edition is rumored to be a fully unlocked because remember the original GTX Titan
Does not have all of the gk 110 functional units. It actually is missing some CUDA cores SMX is I guess they call them now
But we might see so we might see that card come in with there's rumors about memory bus
There's rumors about how much memory will be on them
But we might get a replacement for time because remember Titan doesn't make any sense for a gamer anymore
Unless you're running like 4k surround every single time we say this and like someone got super pissed
I don't know. I think
Super candied on the 70 TI video because I said
Titans aren't really gaming cards anymore like
Super candied and I was like man if you bought it bought it a long time ago, and you've enjoyed it this entire time
That's totally fine. I'm not saying that's a bad thing
I'm saying like if you're looking into it now and you're strictly looking to buy a gaming card
Titan makes this much sense. Yeah, unless you you need the extra frame buffer
Otherwise GTX 780 TI is better in every possible way and cheaper
Yeah, so so a Titan refresh because remember Titan is not valid for gaming
But it's very important for CUDA developers or anyone who wants to use the double precision capabilities of the card
So for compute Titan might still make a lot of sense and it'd be nice if Titan purchasers could get a fully unlocked chip as well
So I just don't I don't know if I buy this
Because the rumor says launch date February 2014 to March 2014, but that's Maxwell timeframe
Yeah, yeah
I find it very odd now now, especially the 790 with like the crappy paint overlay
But the the the Titan black edition we've seen leaks of that colored cooler before. Yes
We have so it could have easily just been like oh, we're gonna turn it make it vertical put it in this line
And then yay
So I'm not entirely sure about that
It could be real and I wouldn't be surprised because when the 70 TI came out we talked about like why isn't there one was?
6 gigs. Yeah, what the heck? So maybe that's a Titans like addition
Yeah, so I'm would not be surprised if that one's real
I would be fairly surprised if the 790 is real because I mean well the thing about a
790 is if they did manage to keep power and thermals under control. I mean remember to 780 TI is still
Kicks out less heat and consumes less power than the competing AMD cards
Yeah, so if they did manage to cram two of them onto a PCB
It would probably be significantly faster than even whatever Maxwell can cook up
Yeah, like it's the only reason why I'm like nay saying it a little bit is just because that's gotta be hard and it's gotta
Be expensive it's a big time
like it says like
999 plus I expect that plus to be fairly too large in videos hasn't done that yet
They have done 999 quite a few times in the past. I believe
6800 ultra was up near that price point. Let me just let me just double check. I think 6800 ultra was when
MSRP launch hold on was when the the super expensive graphics card thing really happened
And then they did it again with
8800 ultra that was a thousand dollar card, but they've never gone above that as far as I remember
I just the only reason why I say that is because with the Titan Black Edition coming right behind it
Like right behind it at 999. It seems weird to release a 790 right after that at 999 again
Why not because they had 590 running at 999 at the same time or rather
690 running at 999 at the same time as Titan where the 690 was the gaming card and
The Titan was the compute and also because it had a much better GPU gaming card
But if they had a 790 and a Titan Black at 999, I don't see why that's an issue necessarily
I would just be interesting and I think we'd have the same thing we had with
Early Titan adopters with the Titan Black where they'd be like why why did this happen?
Although SLI's kind of still I'm still not a huge fan of two chips
What are you looking up sir, I'm trying to find that pricing so FX 5950 380 bucks
6800 ultra extreme was only 600. I was wrong. So that was that was the top tier
unobtainium card along with the x800 XT Platinum Edition both of which were very difficult to find and we're basically just
Vaporware so 8800 ultra might have been the first one then, okay
But at any rate, it's all rumors right now. We don't know if any of that is true
I actually have heard nothing from Nvidia about any of this stuff. So there you go. All right, January
24th. Oh, why am I even saying that and
The title of the document
All right
so there's been some talk about kaveri and some of the things that AMD could or could not have done and may or may not
Do oh, I think I asked them for a Twitter blitz. Let's go. Let's go back to the Twitter blitz
Oh, don't forget the Twitter blitz you guys
Actually didn't get that message from anyone but I figure that's what someone would say
If they thought we forgot the Twitter blitz, is that the Ubuntu font on your Twitter handle in the lower third, dude
I have no idea
Isn't there a law in the US that says paid content has to be disclosed
If you receive the item for free so that there's so thin for the sake of full disclosure
You have to be like yo, I got this for free
So take whatever I say that's positive about it with a grain of salt in Canada
That law does not exist and I'm Canadian. Although we kind of usually yeah
We're not and why we take it upon ourselves to say negative things even if it was free
Opinions should not be bought. The viewers are the victim not the I didn't say the youtubers were the victim
I said they were the culprit. Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding what I said
Terry says the issue is that there is such a negative
Stigma about the Xbox one that it would create more negativity if they were open about this
But it creates even more they get caught
Yeah, and you know what?
It's funny that you mentioned the negativity around Xbox one because it's really a lot of it seems unfair
It's not
ps4 is not
Revolutionarily better than Xbox one. Yeah, it's faster hardware wise and it does have some advantages
But Sony is every bit as evil as Microsoft like let's not kid ourselves
Sony is the king of
Proprietary. Oh, yeah, although I'm Microsoft's whole thing with the chat cable on the Xbox one the chat. Yeah
Xbox 360 compatible headsets need a proprietary adapter that you must buy from Microsoft in order to plug any other
Microphone into it. It's pretty ridiculous
And then the fact that the controller doesn't work on PC. Anyway, Sony has a long history many discs memory stick
The the memory units that go into their professional grade camcorders at every turn they try to make things proprietary and horrible
So, you know, let's not let's not Harold them as a white knight just yet
So I do is this is this like the fastest car on the road argument though?
hmm, like
PlayStation isn't necessarily a white knight, but
There's a lot darker
They're both speeding just one of them speeding a lot more do me true says, please do not
Underestimate the stupidity of the human race. I try Xbox is better than PC says Logan. Good luck with that
Confidentiality
I don't have enough margin for error here. I need more margin for error
If it were fully disclosed then absolutely no problem with it being hidden, but that's terrible. Someone should be sued
I don't think lawsuits are necessarily always the answer either
Okay, let's go ahead and go down. Isn't there a law that says paid content has to be disclosed
I don't think so. I mean, it's not like we go to a movie theater and they tell you like hey
We were paid to make this. I think sometimes it's implied. I don't think it always has to be explicitly said
I think it doesn't have I think it has to be not hidden
Like it was specifically hidden, okay
If the main character but like you if you a
Frosty mug of whatever ale someone's trying to sell looks at the camera like this
Come on, how many times have I seen that but if you like somehow asked them?
They wouldn't say no and like a lot of times you can figure out exactly how much money was put into product
So it comes down to that confidentiality clause. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the problem
So three dollars is pretty low for breaking FTC guidelines. Yeah, potentially although three dollars
It's a good CPM
But it's like he said you're breaking FTC
Like if we could generate a hundred thousand views like a lot of game streamers can and pump out like five videos
We're talking like 15 grand
For like five videos if you can reach a hundred thousand views with them. I mean, that's
This is bad for the consumer, but doesn't happen all the time. Yes
Seems super shady
But from what I heard this is more of a machinima bad than a Microsoft one and that's actually
Interesting and like I said the blame lies not not necessarily on one head here
Why you know tweet you started I uploaded the video that should have created a tweet, you know theory unchecked Oh
Bollocks Oh
Whoops, we probably should have tweeted that
It's okay what do you use for your pebble watch face? I'm actually a total loser and I use one of the default ones
I haven't played around with the pebble nearly as much as I probably should have and now that they're releasing their app store soon
I've gotten kind of lazy about it. So I'm just gonna wait for that. Also. I have a Qualcomm talk coming soon
So that'll be an excuse to really dig into the pebble and really spend some time with it so I can
Be properly comparative between the two of them. Google Voice would be cool for online shopping or doing research papers
That's what they want you to think
I posted this in the forum about a new cooling option now
It's not really a time for us to be following links and reading stuff. Sorry
762 a SLR 780 personally, I'd go 780. Yeah
We were both more
More single card guys these days. I believe candy is already trademarked. Although
Did you run into any issues testing 780 TI SLI on that rig? I'm just curious. No
a
Little bit of tearing actually, but but tearing is tearing that's probably just because your frame rate was so yeah
But no like no driver issues. No game crash
Yeah, cuz I mean our whole single cards are better is sort of based on neither of us having run an SLI set up in
a couple of generations now, but then
I've built systems for people that requested SLI that have had problems later on. There you go
I'd move have you heard about the Intel NUC? Yes, I've heard of the Intel NUC
And yeah, it could be interesting with steam streaming in mind just like any small low-power PC
Someone says did you forget to post that the show is up considering we have
3,600 viewers
Yeah, no the the actual post did go up
All right, just come over to Oz and get great internet. No, I don't think so
Back into the we're back into the internet debate. So there you go. That was all we really got for the whole Microsoft marketing thing
All right, so let's talk about AMD's potential with kavari
So kavari for those of you who don't know is AMD's new generation APU
so that is a CPU and a GPU fused into one and
now with even more benefit to that than before because
If I recall correctly Intel was actually the first one with Linfield to ship a CPU and a GPU on the same core
Even though they weren't on the same die. There was actually a GPU
Die and then a CPU died right next to each other with a fast interconnect
So while AMD wasn't necessarily the first one to deliver an APU to market
They are the ones calling it APU and they have finally justified that with the highest
Technology APU that we've ever seen and it now features
HSA so that's a heterogeneous system architecture
Which means that an APU has four CPU cores and up to eight GPU cores and AMD is basically going well
We're gonna call that 12 cores now. Don't worry on the box
They still specify what kind of cores the 12 are but we're gonna call it 12 cores because that processor is now capable of
At the same time working on up to 12 discrete threads
Even if they're all part of the same task
Because of its a human technology the CPU cores and the GPU cores can both access the same
Memory at the same time so they can both use your system RAM and work on the same tasks and
Collaborate as opposed to the GPU core sitting and waiting for instructions from the CPU and then passing information back and forth over
PCI Express this is extremely exciting and it also has huge implications for the value of higher end
Memory subsystems in desktop PCs. It's been quite a while
Actually, it's been since the memory controller moved on die
Since higher speed memory has really made much of a difference like within a single CPU generation
So we've gone all the way from DDR1 to DDR3
Without seeing like what looks like a generational leap in memory performance
It's just kind of been incremental small improvements as processes as manufacturing processes have improved over time
Now I mean AMD was according to this article so the original article is from
Actually, there's a lot of articles linked here. So one from a non tech
there's one from
Hard hot hardware and then there's another one from
Wow that top one slash dot slash dot okay, and then another one from slash dot
Okay, so it was posted by Vitalis on the forum and there's some there's some evidence suggesting that AMD considered
Gddr5 for kaveri. There's also so why would they do that? Well, I pulled up this so this is a oh
balls
Where'd it go? Where did it go? Oh, no
Where'd that course our blog go?
history man
Come on was it in Chrome? Yeah, it might have been increased you don't actually your mic and ignore a pop-up
recent tabs
You were candy ready for this we wouldn't be going through this right now
Here we go, all right, I found it
Alright guys, so course there has an interesting blog showing us the improvement in performance, right, right, right
So I was gonna say we haven't seen much of a difference even with things like Intel
launching triple channel and quad channel memory controllers
if you go back and look at some of the old reviews back when LGA 1366 and 2011 launched of
Folks going. Okay. Well, let's try single channel dual channel triple channel quad channel. Yeah, not much of a difference because
Latency actually goes up as you add more channels
Whereas the bandwidth also increases
But if those two
Performance and so higher latency is bad and higher bandwidth is good and a lot of the times they were almost pretty much
Offsetting each other to the point where it really didn't make much difference at all
Well now we could be looking at a different situation. So this is from Coursera's blog and
Let's see who wrote it. This is by Dustin
Dustin
Sklavos, so he used to work for a non tech. So he's doing some interesting testing here
So this is memory bandwidth going from 1600 to 1866 to 2133 to 2400
So you can see that the read and write performance which are the blue and the red lines
So particularly the blue one faster reads
Are increasing as we add more bandwidth even though latencies are also increasing and this is amounting to check this out
Did you do did you did you mean blue and no, no, no, that was right
Um, these are amounting to check this out. So these are different games Bioshock Infinite 720p
Bioshock Infinite 1080p grid to 720p and grid to 1080p an
almost matching line
when using the onboard graphics
Wow, so if you could potentially I don't know add and this is another thing that is rumored to
Potentially be in there if you could add quad channel memory support or you could have memory that runs at you know
Two times the frequency we could be looking at onboard graphics that absolutely destroy
Anything anyone could do with integrated graphics in the past and you might go. Okay. Well, Linus, that's very interesting
I guess onboard graphics are kind of cool
But think about this what about HSA then so let's say you add a discrete graphics card to your system, that's cool
Okay, you game on that. But what if your Photoshop filters or your
premiere
Or premiere or
I'm trying a complete blank after effects or whatever kind of a pro grade visual effects program
You're using could be accelerated by those GPU cores and you could increase the speed of them a couple times just by having faster memory
Wow and considering some of the demos that we saw at the kaveri tech day
We could be looking at I mean already kaveri in an optimized environment
Which is easier to code for than it has been in the past because it's all compliant with OpenCL 2.0
Already, they're leaving competitors in the dust
We could be looking at a whole new world of
Performance with faster memory for the first time in a very long time outside of the server space
I think AMD's timing could not have been better because this time last year all doom and gloom
Will AMD exist in however long like look at their stock levels looking how much money they lost all this kind of stuff and now
It's it's Intel sitting there with a few series of processors being released and people still liking
2600 K's and 2500 K's more than some of the new ones
Myself still running a 2600 K and being completely fine and happy with it because I don't see that much of a gain by
moving up
Comparing to AMD where it's like look at all this stuff. We're doing right now
Well, look at all this stuff. We might be doing in the future and look at all this stuff
We almost did and look at all these things we're planning for and what about these theoretical combinations of things?
That could be amazing and like I don't know I see AMD moving much more aggressively in the next little while
Yeah, it's very very very exciting speaking of things that are exciting
Really
You see why I hate this thing
Touch touch to click doesn't work. See not enabled. So why is it that palm detection?
It's causing me to lose focus on a window
What is going on here
No, I could see that happen trying to do a sponsor read here
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I I created a little logo here
Which took me just a couple of moments. So you just key in some text so it could be like
Oops no, come back you can use controllers on PCs the WAN show and then
Analysis and news
Okay. Well, it can't help you spell any better. But what it does allow you to do is move things around you can
Take your little logos here. They have a little search thing here
So they have some default ones and I was actually a little bit confused about this at first
I was like, oh really I can have a pig a diamond a fish or like a raccoon. Thank you for the compelling choice
No, no, don't worry. It's better than that. So you just go ahead and search for symbols
So I punched in tech and it came up with a bunch of much more relevant stuff
Figures it says no icon now know what's funny is I was actually doing this on a mobile connection and that was working just fine
There we go
There you go, you get like printers and CDs and Game Boys and cool stuff like that
So all of a sudden you can create yourself a little logo. You can change the spacing of the grid
You can move things around you can be like, okay. I want this to go over here
You can make it snap to things
You can align it that way and then it gives you a cool little preview of what your logo will look like on a business
card on
A website a Squarespace website presumably and on a t-shirt that actually looks not bad
That actually looks pretty okay. So to be clear they're not replacing graphic designers and and brand
Creators, they're just creating like the fastest cheapest easiest way for you to get a logo
That's usable and ready for you to put on your website that you presumably also create on squarespace.com
There's some kind of a rate for how much you can pay to get a logo
But it's free for anyone who has a Squarespace membership and I realize I didn't actually put our lower third back
So I realized that I didn't actually say guys visit squarespace.com slash Linus get a free trial and then get up to ten per
Get up to Wow
see
I knew it was bad to go into this angry get 10% off of your
Squarespace off your first purchase of Squarespace using offer code Linus one
So that includes the website includes the monthly hosting and also includes their new logo builder
And then they also very nicely asked me to mention
Squarespace
Super Bowl, so they're gonna have a Super Bowl commercial really
I was like really they have millions and millions of dollars. That's what I said. Apparently, that's awesome
So blah blah blah Squarespace. Oh, hold on. Do they have like a leak of it? Can we watch it?
They all the commercials are pretty legit. It's not leaked. Oh, they only have a teaser
So they they asked me to show the teaser and I was like, yeah, sure. Yeah, why not?
I mean Super Bowl ads are kind of kind of awesome. I'm down with Super Bowl ads
Alright, where's the teaser video? Even if I somehow miss the Super Bowl? I usually just go back on YouTube and watch all the ads
Super Bowl ads are usually pretty legit. Here it is
Okay, there we go. There's a giant baby. There is definitely a giant baby in their teaser
Can you just be less of a huge piece of crap? Thank you. There we go. All right
It's funny because I was so glad to have my laptop back for this week. All right, here we go. It's only about 15 seconds long
So
Presumably it's something to do with their whole
Quest of making the web not look like a bunch of Geo cities websites and like flashing banners and stuff like that
So their whole thing is is beautiful design and tastefulness and that logo creator like it's kind of cool
Hey two seconds in it actually looks pretty good. Yeah, it's better than what I could do in
Paint. Paint.net. Paint.net on the other hand, maybe I could do better, but it would take more time. Yes
Well, really you don't think I could do better than that in Paint. Did you not see the uproar for your little badge things?
I'm still trying to figure out what I'm gonna do about that. Speaking of uproar
Apple is relaunching the iPhone 4 at a very very appealing price of only
370 dollars for super old technology. Seriously Apple? What are you doing?
They probably don't know. I can't answer that question. I have no idea
I mean if anyone at Apple is watching I mean Tim if you're watching give me a call right here
Let me know what's going on, man
Like how can you possibly expect people like I understand why the iPhone 4 is still legitimately expensive
I do get it. And what did it have something like four gigs of storage?
Yeah, yeah eight
Is it eight? Eight gigabyte mobile models. Yeah. Yeah eight gig models
One gigahertz single core CPU 512 megs RAM five megapixel rear camera
It's just it sounds so old like it doesn't seem that bad necessarily when you're using it
Then you read the specs on paper. You're just like oh
I understand why it's still expensive because the actual like tooling of it and the like the fit and finish of it is
Beautiful up there with almost any modern Android pretty much any modern Android phone
Yeah, a lot of plastic junk on the Android side
But to expect that like to think that first of all to think that 5c was going to be your value model at
$100 cheaper than a 5s. Come on
really
To think that iPhone 4 I mean you're not even giving them the 4s to think that iPhone 4 is a value at
370 dollars is
Insane I don't imagine that this is going to be a big success for them
I mean the problem that they have over there is that fewer carrier subsidies prevent people from buying expensive phones
well when you're considering that Motorola is talking about a
$50 smartphone and that they already have the
The Moto G which is a $200 actually fairly compelling smartphone
I've just started working on my review of it. I know I'm a little bit late, but
Sorry
Yeah, we're pretty late on almost every phone so
Holding a Moto G and holding an iPhone 4 I can go
Yeah, this is a beautiful device, but this one is way more functional in every possible way. I
Just think this is ridiculous. It's it's pretty dumb. They just have no grasp on reality
We should do the next one. Someone's like Linus. Why are you so mad? Why am I gonna get mad again?
Oh, no, this isn't a mad thing. No. No, I'm saying we should do it's a it's
There's you put optional in back
Yeah, this is happening. We should do calling all members of the LTT forum world cancer day 2014
Basically, this is just a call to arms to engage in distributed computing on
this particular
Folding it's for a week of the world cancer day. So it's not necessarily just world cancer day
It's the week that world cancer day lays
So it starts on Monday the 3rd of February and ends on Sunday the 9th give your power to a good decent cause I know
Not everyone can run folding or particularly folding
24-7 because it does consume a lot of power and that does cost money
But maybe one week out of the year is not such a bad thing if we all kind of work together
So there you go guys, you can check out the thread. It was posed by X silent and then brackets X
People need names that I can say on the show if they want
Show and that's in the folding at home blank and coin mining sub forum
Small town in Alberta gets gigabit broadband. I'll let you talk about this. This is hilarious. This brings up
Actually, this is what I thought you were talking about what I thought you're gonna transition into when you did the move thing. Okay?
But yeah, apparently so there's a small town in Alberta and the Community Council got okay. Hold on. Hold on
Would you guys move to the frickin boondocks like the middle of nowhere
Northern Alberta eight thousand five hundred people entire population of city if the thing that he's about to talk about is a thing
Yeah, so they did they there was some engineer apparently specific engineering businesses
But also other businesses that were complaining that they were literally shipping drives because it was considerably faster
Like very considerably faster to ship a drive than it was to transfer something over the internet
And this this was like locally or outside. They were just transferring drives all over the place
They're saying it was ridiculous
They were gonna move and like other towns all this kind of stuff to the council said no
Essentially, we don't want you to have to move because of internet speeds because that's ridiculous. So they're pulling in a gigabit to the town now
It's currently in certain locations not everywhere
you can currently pay for about fifty seven to ninety dollars a month and you can get a hundred megabit and
They're going to take that and say like yep same cost, but it's gigabit now. It's not quite as
Awesome as it sounds immediately because you will share with your node
Okay, so if you get on gigabit you're sharing with your node, but you're in a like
I don't think I don't think your neighbor is gonna use
900 megabits a second
Yeah, I'm not too worried about that
But that's just something you do have to pay attention to the average Canadian internet download speed is about six point six megabytes per second
For an average of fifty four dollars a month. So that scaling it's pretty ridiculous that price to performance ratio right there
They're saying that they they can do this because they don't have to worry about making massive profit margins all the time
They just have to worry about making a little bit of money so that their council can still exist, obviously
So they're actually able to do this at a reasonable level. They received a pretty sizable grant
From the government to to actually do this because of what their whole plan is. They're trying to keep people there
They're trying to keep businesses there and all that kind of stuff. So it makes sense and they're not gouging people
So the government tries to help them the government actually tries to help a lot of companies that are laying infrastructure
Just a lot of those companies don't really care and still screw people over
And the something that brings me back to the you're sharing it with the people around you discussion
Is that if you're a business and you want to dedicated gigabit per second line like dedicated gonna be there gigabit per second line
You'll have all that bandwidth all the time. It's five grand
Okay, so it's like new
But I think I think they have like one or two maybe
Businesses in mind when they have that there and they know they'll hit those two and that's maybe where they're making some of the money
Right, but yeah, either way in again investing in infrastructure. It just makes it thumbs up
Yeah, loving it. All right demystifying crystal cliff. There was something that I wanted to talk about not bricks Pro
Do you want to do a demystifying crystal cove while you're at it
I was thinking as we're getting fairly close and that video is up
Maybe we should jump to candy jam real quick. Then maybe we can do that as like an end share
Alright so why have we been saying the word candy all stream for those of you who didn't watch the pre show
So the candy jam which is awesome and like it's actually kind of hard to read because their website is ridiculous
But I think that's kind of part of the joke
So I'm not gonna harp on them too hard for that
But what they say if you're having troubles reading it is because of because trademarking
Common words is ridiculous and because it gives us an occasion to make another game jam. That's why this whole thing exists
You have to make a game involving candies in some way consider using the word candy several times
Also scroll memory saga Apple and edge might give bonus points
I'm not entirely sure why I don't think I've necessarily researched the topic deeply enough. Maybe they're looking into
Trademarking those words as well. It starts now you can go to it now it ends 3rd of February
There's been 27 games submitted so far and you have an interesting
Contest kind of okay
So I'm I'm putting up a hundred dollar bounty to the first person who makes a game called candy ass candy eaters
So the objective of the game has to be that there's like
People and it can get more or less challenging like there can like think about all the game elements that exist
So you could have places where you're supposed to throw the candy places where if you throw it
It's negative points like if a zombie eats it or something then that's that's bad and that's negative points
But the idea is that you throw candy at these people and they don't like getting hurt
So if you miss their mouths directly, then it's like somehow detrimental
And so that's what makes them candy ass because they're like they don't like getting hit by candy
Yeah
and maybe they're running away from the candy as you're trying to feed it to them or something to make it like
Challenging or something like that. So so I want that game to exist
Only to the first one though, I'm not paying a bunch of these bounties
I really hope someone makes it I don't really think they will but I don't think anyone will
and this whole thing is kind of
horrible because every single time something like this happens like with the copyright complaints and
Like the guy the main dude backing like yeah
We should have stronger copyright law pirated the background picture for his website and like this kind of stuff always seems to happen
But King the guys behind the copyright of the word candy
Totally ripped the crap out of a game called scamper ghost back in the day. So there's
Pack-a-void and scamper ghost and as you go through here, you'll notice the screenshots are incredibly the same
And what actually happened was they hired a company called where is it
epic shadow
Very specifically to copy scamper ghost. It was like go copy this game. It was fairly straightforward
The scamper ghost guys aren't mad at epic shadow because King was in there in their discussions with epic shadow was saying that
scamper goes had a signed contract deal with King and then broke out of it and there's a whole bunch of stuff going on and
It was issues and they were like, yeah
Just go copy that game because that'll be the one actually published blah blah blah and then epic shadow
Contacted scamper ghost at some point in time being like yo, we thought you guys were the bad guys. I
Don't know
Yeah, so scamper ghost is not specifically mad at them
They're mad at King and they're more specifically mad at King actually because of the candy copyright thing, right?
Cuz they're trying to copyright the word trademark the word can't sorry. Yeah trademark clear
I mean, I don't think we ever actually said that which is ridiculous. Yeah, it's just candy ridiculous
That's absolutely candy ridiculous
So yeah
I think it's funny that these guys are being super vocal now about the fact that King has done this
Instead of previously when it probably still would have gotten a lot of traction
But they're doing it now because of a copyright that doesn't have something to do with them
I think that's actually really cool. So go play scamper ghost
Because that's awesome
Well, I think that's it
I had something that I really wanted to talk about that wasn't on the dock and I kind of thought of it and then I
Forgot about it. It wasn't it wasn't bricks Pro. I don't know if I want to talk about that that much anymore
Something else for the demystifying crystal cove thing
The video is out right now and it has a lot of it
I'm probably gonna be doing a long-form written right up at some point in time because there's a lot of stuff that didn't make it
into the video
And there's there's actually a clip that was not put in to the release video. Oh, what's that?
So oh I say at one point in time
Like there are lenses a B and C and I will talk about those more later and that clip didn't end up making it in
So it made it really awkward
I'm gonna try and come up with some way to integrate that but we can't exactly pull it down and re-release it now
No, so I was thinking maybe I could upload it unlisted and then like people through it on the forum or something
So I'll probably do that so you guys can get that clip or if you come to the after-party
I'll probably talk about oculus even more
And take questions and stuff like that. So when you talk about that there and there will be an after-party tonight
I don't necessarily know if I'll be gaming but I'll be giving away games and talking about oculus. Yay giving away games. Hooray
All right. Well, I think
One last thing actually one very final last thing. We have a unofficial Linus tech tip star citizen group
Oh, yes
So if you are interested in star citizen Linus and I are both signed up, but it's unofficial because we're not leading it
We're just gonna kind of hang posted it on Facebook
So if anyone was curious what my reach is on Facebook, I guess you've all seen it now
I
Just have a look here star citizen. It's the one with no picture because someone nubbed out. Oops. Oh
Yeah, there it is so Linus tech tips that well, you know speaking of would you move if you got faster internet
No, I'm pretty sure that's Facebook's problem
Because they they have a lot of this on mechanical drives now. Oh, really?
Yeah, I think it used to be that your that your your your your feed was in memory
And now I think a lot of stuff particularly images are being pushed on to mechanical even so star citizen
Organization now with added pull so you can check out that thread on the forum if you are interested in it
And as far as I can tell they're being pretty open to ideas about how it's gonna be ran and all this kind of stuff
So post in there talk about it and it's a wave quite a ways from being released
We'll get some stuff more. It's unofficial to be clear guys. Yeah, we're not running it. Yeah, but I'm I joined it
Yeah
Yeah, I think that's probably about it
Yeah, I give up on this
All right. Thanks guys for watching the land show. We'll see you again next week
Same bat time same bat channel and the archive should actually be up fairly quickly
so I'll just throw it up without a table of contents and then
When he gets around to it at apparently like four in the morning for whatever I was done way before that if anyone wants
To do a table of contents and then like fire it over to him during the after party
That would be more than welcome
That works, too
The one thing that I would ask is that you make sure to include an entry for the Squarespace
Sponsorship spot in case anyone wants to find that we do tell them that we will include a link in our table of contents to
Their sponsor spot and without further ado. Thank you guys for watching
Thank you Squarespace for sponsoring us and see you next week
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