There we go, okay.
Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the WAN Show.
I was late because I was gaming in VR.
That's it, that's the only excuse I have,
but I was actually making a video about gaming in VR
and it's really cool.
So do you know about the latest updates to the Oculus?
Okay, you know what, we'll talk about it later.
The Oculus Quest is even cooler now.
We got subjects. Yeah, we got them topics.
Those titles.
Apple, rumored to be working on a $5,000 gaming machine.
Necessary.
California's new data and privacy rights go into effect.
And just, there's a segue, like wheelchair thing.
But it's not a wheelchair.
No. It's more of a chair on wheels.
Yeah.
If that makes sense. Looks like a throne on wheels.
What else we got?
Also airdrop for Android,
but only for some Chinese brands and that's about it.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, we're definitely gonna wanna chat about the
like cool stuff like the Oculus Quest updates and stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, let's roll that intro.
And my keyboard.
What about your keyboard?
It's dead.
No, the Team Liquid signed one?
Wow.
The cheapest man alive
might have to actually replace a piece of hardware.
I'm gonna try to fix it.
Of course you are.
And the intro time.
Okay.
First of all, guys,
I gotta address this comment I just saw in the chat.
Wow, Linus is really warming up to VR since last year.
I always liked VR.
It was never a matter of me not liking VR.
The issue was that VR had inaccessibility problems.
And I said, I said in my Oculus Quest review
that I never saw that coming.
Like that degree of optimization,
the amount of inside,
the accuracy of their inside out tracking.
I didn't see it coming.
And I had seen things already that led me to believe
that it wasn't going to be possible.
By the way, the WAN show today is shot on red because-
I didn't even notice, what?
All of our C200s are heading down to CES.
So they're all packed up.
It looks great.
Yeah, so usually we shoot it on a C200,
but you know,
if you notice the WAN show was looking real sharp today,
we're live streaming on YouTube.
And how much is that one?
And FlowPlane and Twitch.
We paid 30 grand for that camera.
Hey Brandon, what's that lens worth?
It's a $3,000 lens, okay?
You got like a, you know,
$200 cable to attach the monitor
for the camera over somewhere else.
It doesn't matter.
The point is,
let's talk about Apple's rumored $5,000 gaming machine.
So this was posted on the forum by William CLL,
and I'll give you guys the breakdown.
And I'm sure we're gonna have a fair bit of discussion
about this one.
According to market rumors,
Apple plans to launch an e-sports PC next year
with a unit price of up to five grand.
According to supply chain sources,
it may be a large screen all-in-one
or a large screen gaming laptop.
It's expected to be announced at WWDC next June.
Now, there are some reasons to be suspicious.
There are some games like Rocket League, Fortnite,
and World of Warcraft that do work on Mac.
But-
Definitely not most.
You can't get consumer GPUs from Nvidia in Apple products.
And that doesn't look like
it's gonna be clearing up anytime soon.
Nvidia just formally dropped
CUDA support in Mac OS recently.
I don't think that's a huge deal.
Cause it's probably not gonna be
a user replaceable GPU anyways.
Yeah, okay.
That's true.
But, okay, you know what?
Forget it.
That's all the information that we really have.
We don't know much.
Yeah, we don't really, okay.
Maybe that is a big deal.
We know that there are compatibility issues.
Yes.
But we also know that with Apple's push,
with the arcade and trying to get better games
on the app store,
with Apple's recent push is-
They seem to care more suddenly.
They seem to care an awful lot about gaming,
even if they aren't or haven't up until this point
been willing to engage with gaming
the way that gamers wanna do it.
Or the way that the rest of the industry does it.
Develop like a gaming launcher
that has like container set up to run games in it
that aren't natively supported by Apple.
They could do that.
People do that on Linux all the time.
I wonder, yeah.
Yeah, Proton, like Wine.
Wine, yeah.
But the problem with that-
I've got a friend who I think it's his hobby
to see like what he can force to work in Linux.
But would-
In terms of gaming.
Okay, hold on a second though.
But would that necessarily even be feasible for Apple?
Like I know Steam is a big name
that has worked on a compatibility layer.
Yeah.
But I don't think-
Okay, maybe you can make-
I don't think they do it for everything.
What are the legal ramifications
of emulating someone else?
Like if it's a DirectX only title,
are you allowed to just like-
I don't, yeah, I don't think that's a problem.
Because you'd just be setting up a communication layer
so that DirectX can like-
I mean, DirectX would be an issue.
Yeah, I would think so.
And Microsoft would have exactly zero motivation
to facilitate this at all.
There's a decent amount of games
that can run with OpenGL,
even if they are DirectX based.
Yeah, or Vulkan.
But even Vulkan, I'm not aware of any Vulcans
that work for Mac OS.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's gonna be an issue.
But like, I could see them doing something.
And again, it's Apple,
so I would be very surprised if they even cared
about making it compatible with all the games.
Yeah, maybe they just wouldn't care about your Doom
or your Counter-Strike or whatever the case may be.
Maybe as long as they've got like FIFA.
They might care about Counter-Strike.
Because I bet you Steam would work with them.
I bet you Steam would work with them.
Okay, yeah, Valve would probably care.
Because Steam likes being like all the platforms.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, they were one of the first
to really make even some kind of an effort
to bring gaming to Apple.
Back before Apple had clued into like
that gaming was a multi-billion dollar a year industry.
So yeah, I think they would probably try to get Dota.
They would probably try to get Counter-Strike.
Sure.
Both of those games, Steam, Valve,
I don't think big issue there.
I think they could get most of the big esports games.
So let's move on in the discussion.
And let's say, assuming then that Apple gets
the software compatibility figured out to the point
where there are enough gaming experiences on the platform.
I mean, they've shown that they're willing
to dump in the kind of money
like they did with their Apple Arcade,
where they will just basically hand gigantic sack fulls
of money to game developers and say, okay, make a game.
We need games, like bring it on.
We want games.
So they've shown a willingness to do that.
So let's assume that Apple manages to create
through partnerships or through just basically
buying game studio time enough content for their platform.
Let's talk about the hardware.
Yeah.
What could possibly make someone buy an Apple gaming machine
and let's approach it two different ways, okay?
Let's start with the laptop.
What could motivate you to buy an Apple gaming laptop?
First, I don't wanna, okay.
Motivating me to buy a gaming laptop in the first place
is gonna be really hard.
Very recently, my razor blade just decided
it doesn't have a battery anymore.
I don't know why.
They're pretty much all dying now.
Yeah.
Yeah, like John's is dead.
Okay.
Dennis' screen flickers.
To be fair, at this point,
it's kind of been a little while.
It's been three years.
Yeah.
I don't think that's really enough.
That's fair.
Okay.
When I used to sell laptops,
I told people to expect only three years.
Fair enough.
And it is a gaming laptop.
Right, so you're just not surprised
because you are inherently biased against laptops.
Yeah.
I don't like gaming laptops.
I don't like that segment.
Oh, your mic pack.
My prompter remote.
Oh, nice.
I always expect gaming laptops to fail early.
I just-
Fail hard.
Yeah.
Okay.
I worked in retail selling computers for a while
and I just saw the, not as long as you did,
but I just saw the amount of failure
in the gaming laptop segment.
Fair enough.
And failure in laptops in general was already really high.
And I can tell you now that as a,
even as a computer salesman, when I was working,
if people came in and they wanted to buy
like a $3,000 gaming laptop,
I would usually try to convince them
to buy a basic laptop and a sick gaming rig.
Yes.
That's the exact move I tried to play.
Because especially back then,
remember I was working in the retail store like 2008,
2007, like back then gaming laptops were a joke.
Like they've gotten a lot better.
They have.
In fairness.
And I will give them that for sure.
They've gotten a lot better.
Yeah.
They used to be, so okay, they're big right now.
They used to be giant.
Yeah.
Like you'd have to get these backpacks
that had these massive compartments.
Literally 20 minute battery.
Yeah.
Like when it was new.
That too.
If you're playing a game,
it was not a good time.
No.
My old bamboo laptop, say what you will, still works.
That's true.
And there was a guy who bought an, sorry Asus,
there was a guy who bought an Asus gaming laptop
around the same time as me.
Yeah.
Before the end of that year of school,
not the semester, but the year of school,
his laptop was dead.
And my laptop from that same timeframe still works.
So like, I just, I don't know.
That's way too small of a sample size,
but like I just, I would be way more interested
if there was an external GPU.
Fine.
Let's go, let's talk about the AIO.
Cause personally I consider that to be more realistic anyway.
Okay.
Oh, like, so you think it's gonna, okay.
If it was gonna be something,
I think it's gonna be an AIO or it's gonna be both.
I don't think they just do a gaming laptop.
So gaming AIO from laptop, from Apple.
Let's talk what kinds of specs we might expect.
There's no way that it's gonna be HEDT
because that Intel doesn't even position those
as gaming processors or as gaming devices,
gaming processors anyway.
So it'll be something,
whatever the 10th gen equivalent of a 9900K is.
So that's a 350, $400 processor.
I promise soon, Nick, sorry.
Let me just, let's get through this topic.
So it's a $400, so it's a $400 processor.
You're gonna need, you know,
a hundred bucks or a couple of hundred bucks for some RAM.
They're gonna put a decent display on it.
You know, Apple has dabbled in high refresh rate displays,
like on the iPad Pro, for example.
So I think they do a high refresh rate display.
I think we don't get a Radeon Pro.
I think we just get, you know, standard RX,
whatever graphics.
But that's gonna be a few hundred dollars more.
It'll have fine storage.
So I think Apple's actual parts cost ends up
in the neighborhood of like, you know,
two grand for what is effectively like a decent gaming rig.
And then remember too, if it's gonna top out at five grand,
it probably starts at around 3,500.
So they could make a healthy margin on something like that.
Oh, up to five grand, okay.
Yeah, up to five grand.
And I'd imagine that's with like a ton of RAM
and a ton of storage.
So,
it'll have kind of crummy specs for the price,
assuming that they target around, you know,
3,500 starting price.
If they do 2,999, it might not even be that bad.
It'll have, say what you will about Apple's reliability
and customer support.
It'll have Apple's reliability and customer support.
It'll have a color accurate,
like probably very high quality display.
And it'll like perform fine.
So this, I wonder if this would revive the segment
of like kids convincing their parents to buy a computer
because it's cool for them too.
Which like I think hasn't really been a thing for a while.
Oh, interesting.
So, you know what?
If you need a new computer, dad, then this Mac can do.
Get this one, you can do really cool design work on it
or whatever.
So let's fire up Apple's website here.
Cause maybe, honestly, maybe we're overthinking this.
Maybe it's just a matter of going to apple.com.
Seeing what a $5,000, yeah.
Finding a Mac.
Yeah.
So here, where's the iMac?
Cause it's not gonna be iMac Pro.
That's ATDT or excuse me, that's workstation,
but basically the same business, different pile.
Okay, let's buy an iMac.
Did you guys finish working on it in time?
What?
Did you return the-
No, we're stuck with it for now.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So-
Those are starting prices, yeah?
Yeah.
So pretty much, I mean the,
if they just bumped the graphics card, right?
So instead of a Radeon Pro 580X,
we get like a, you know, 5,700 or something like that.
Maybe that actually only puts us to $2,500.
So what do we get?
We get eight gigs of RAM.
We get a two terabyte fusion drive.
We get a Core i5, six core processor.
We get maybe not a retina 5K display.
Maybe we get like,
cause remember Apple has like custom timing controllers
and stuff.
So they could potentially do 4K, 120 Hertz
or maybe even higher.
Maybe they do 4K, 240 Hertz for all I know or whatever.
Yeah.
We get a couple of Thunderbolt 3 ports.
I mean, is that a terrible gaming computer
that mom can also, you know, look up her Facebook
and you know, her iMovie or whatever?
But it'll do more than fine
and basically all E-sports games.
So they put a space gray, you know,
they put a dark chassis on it.
Yep.
Put like, I don't know if Apple would ever do
like a lighting effect.
I don't think so.
Maybe they do like a cool backing on it.
Maybe they update the ID.
They do lighting effects
cause they light up the Apple logo.
Yeah.
But that's like back when that was cool.
Now it's not cool anymore.
They haven't done that in a while.
Okay.
It's been a hot minute since they've done that.
Yeah.
So.
It would be kind of cool if they brought it back
and it was RGB.
And remember, here's another thing.
This gaming Mac, basically all they have,
all you have to change about a computer
to make it gaming is put a decent graphics card in it.
Yeah.
We all know that.
So this gaming Mac,
all they have to do is update the ID a little bit.
Maybe they put a better graphics card in it to start.
Maybe they don't even.
Maybe they just started at 580X.
It's not like it's incapable of gaming.
Yeah, yeah.
And then even if you wanted to run Windows only games,
it's not like bootcamp isn't a thing that exists.
Ooh, I don't think they'd do that.
No, like it wouldn't go by default or anything,
but it's like-
Oh, as a user.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like it's not like you can't do that.
So they could, with a straight face, say,
hey, we built all these partnerships.
You can play all these games.
The performance is, you know,
however much better than the non-gaming Mac,
because that's definitely the comparison they'd wanna draw.
And it starts at only $24.99 for a gaming computer,
with the monitor, with everything.
It's all included.
It's ready to rock.
It's got a 200 Hertz refresh rate,
4K display for the greatest graphics.
Here's a bit of an interesting question too.
Peripherals.
Ooh.
iMac, they always give you mouse and keyboard.
What would an Apple gaming keyboard-
I don't know.
Does anyone on Apple's design team game?
Like, do they venture out of their own cavities
to see what, you know, the rest of the world is doing?
I mean, I realize I must be generalizing.
It's just, everyone at Apple just has a way
of making sure that everyone who actually is public facing
has their nose so far up their own butt
that you just like, you can't take them seriously
as like actual people.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of true.
Like I just, I have a hard time imagining them just like-
All I have ever done in my entire life
and all I ever do in my free time is design.
I live in brief design.
It's like, okay.
Okay, yeah, sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think the peripherals would be very interesting.
I would be kind of surprised
if they just shipped standard ones.
I'm like watching Apple's upper brass talk about gaming.
It's like,
Ugh.
Have you ever even played like-
Like competitive gaming, not phone gaming.
Cause they're, I don't even remember
what it's called at this point,
but they're mobile phone gaming thing.
Which one?
Just the service.
Arcade.
Arcade.
Yeah.
That's an overly simple name
that I can't believe I forgot.
But anyways, Apple Arcade.
I could see them talking about that.
Yes.
Yeah, casual normie gaming.
Yeah, I've just never,
and when they talk about things like augmented reality
and they bring up game developers to do these demos,
they're kind of like-
The heck is that?
Like, ooh, ooh, cool.
Like it looks like my grandpa
trying gaming for the first time.
Like it just, it's not credible.
So I just, I have,
they must have people internally who get it.
I mean, Anand works there.
I was gonna say, there's going to be,
they're a big enough company.
There's going to be enough people there that get it.
But like-
Who's making the actual decisions.
Exactly.
That's the tough thing.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe what we end up,
do we end up with like a magic mouse
that's like lower latency?
Cause Apple has like,
they have so much engineering resources at their disposal
that if Apple did a gaming PC,
I believe they could do a great gaming PC.
I mean, you look at the way that they improve the latency
over Bluetooth on their devices.
It's like, wow,
you guys actually do something
with the R and D money that you spend.
They spend huge money on R and D.
But like, if all we got was a magic mouse,
that's like lower latency and black or something.
I just know like way back,
even in the keyboard head community,
there was a certain amount of respect
for the Apple desktop keyboards.
Yeah, I think that's-
Okay, that respect, I think,
sometimes you respect what you're used to.
Sure, but like-
They're not amazing.
From quite a ways back,
if you were going for pure typing speed,
a lot of people use them.
Okay, that's true.
Really short travel, laptop style.
That's the one you're talking about, right?
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
I'm not necessarily saying on the like,
the gaming side of the keyboard enthusiasts community,
but like purely typists,
a lot of them really liked the old desktop,
but laptop style Apple keyboards.
And it was a really solid keyboard.
They could do something cool.
I just, I don't know.
I'm being very hopeful.
They could very likely screw it up.
They could also just pull an Apple
and decide that they're gonna dictate the terms
of how gaming computers are made
instead of listening to customer feedback.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think the pricing could end up being reasonable
because in Apple's lower end products,
like things like the Mac mini,
the Mac mini starting price is not unreasonable.
Like we just picked up another Mac mini.
We've got a new designer starting
and they're a Mac person.
And I'm like, yeah, Mac mini, like kinda awesome.
It's like around a thousand dollars to start US.
Jaden likes them.
It's got like fine enough specs.
You can get it with 10 gig LAN if that's important to you.
Like if you're working with large files
over the network or whatever else.
Like it's like kind of all the Mac computer
I could ever need.
Like if you wanna run the OS, it's a great entry level.
And I mean, even the iMac is not entirely unreasonable
for a high quality 27 inch display, Core i5,
like a fusion drive, that's pretty gross.
Every computer should have an SSD in this day and age.
There's a couple of things on here that like,
they're almost certainly gonna have an i7 option.
Yeah.
The RAM's a little low.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure they're gonna have an NVMe drive option.
I could see it starting around 2,500 or three grand
with specs that are not embarrassing.
Yeah.
And if they figure out a couple
of Apple differentiating points,
like that it has a super high refresh rate,
4K display or something,
then I think there's a case to be made for it.
They'll have some really cool name for it.
Some really cool exclusive titles or something like that.
They might get away with it.
Moving on to our next topic for the day.
Oh, actually, moving on to some LTT store updates.
Do we have, Nick was holding something.
Yes.
Yes.
Sorry, Nick.
Hey, what's up dude?
So LTT Stealth hoodie is back in stock in every size.
RAM t-shirt is back in stock, processor is back in stock.
What's the one that's coming?
GPU is coming next week.
Yeah.
And we have a new design that's coming next week
that I was actually supposed to wear on the show today.
No, it's good you didn't wear it, it's fine.
Oh.
Wear it next week.
Do you have a question about it?
Well, wear it next week when we have it.
Oh yeah, wear it next week when we have it.
Oh, it's not on the store.
Okay, fine.
We should totally show this to see if people like it.
All right, all right.
So Nick and I are having a bit of a debate right now.
We designed like team shirts for our staff to wear at CES.
Okay.
They ended up being kind of cool,
but I think they're kind of corporate looking.
And so I said, look, I think they're kind of corporate.
I don't think it makes sense to sell them.
And Nick said, if people like it,
why shouldn't we sell it?
Without seeing it yet, I will say.
Yeah.
So the shirts that are often very, very sought after,
definitely from me,
are any form of like staff or crew shirt.
It doesn't say staff or crew though.
No, I know.
But if it looks like really official,
it could be, all right, I don't know.
All right, I'll show it to you.
I'll show it to you first and then the audience.
And I just want to get your reaction first.
Okay, so that's the front.
Okay.
That's the back.
Oh wow, okay.
Okay.
Out of 10.
Six.
All right, okay.
So we'll take your guys's feedback now.
There's the front.
I will also say the only reason
why I'm giving it like a six,
is because I think stuff like GPU
and especially like processor are so cool.
Right.
See, that's the thing is,
I don't think it has the sex appeal,
but we'll take the audience's feedback.
We should straw pull it, one out of 10.
The entire chat is World War Three.
So thank you all for that.
Thanks, great, cool.
Rate the shirt.
Yeah, all right.
Luke's setting up a straw poll, guys.
We're setting up a straw poll.
In the meantime, I'm going to move on
to our next topic here.
Bob's shirts, they're cool.
Yeah, thanks Nick.
Yeah, I think it's pretty tepid, Nick.
All right.
Based on YouTube chat anyway.
I'll have a look at FlowPlane.
They tend to be a little more...
Ooh, four, four, six, six, seven to eight.
No 10 out of 10 though, ladies and gentlemen.
Five, six, seven, five, seven.
Okay, FlowPlane got the poll.
I'm going to Twitch now.
Then I'm going to YouTube soon.
Yeah.
Let's see how they feel after they see it
during all of our CS content.
Yeah, I know.
That honestly might pump it a little bit more.
Yeah.
All right, so this was posted by Delicieux
on the forum.
Canada's new data and privacy rights go into effect.
So in the absence of strong national legislation,
California has enacted a landmark privacy law
known as the California Consumer Privacy Act or CCPA,
which went into effect two days ago on January 1st.
It was passed unanimously in June, 2018
and it's the first law in the US
to set up a comprehensive set of rules
around consumer data, kind of like the EU's GDPR.
It applies to any company that operates in California
and either makes at least 25 million in annual revenue,
gathers data on more than 50,000 users
or makes more than half of its money off of user data.
So basically it's not designed for your little tiny startups
that are just getting off the ground.
It seems like it's firmly targeting firms
that are kind of, they've got their stuff together.
They can afford to follow this law.
So for California residents,
it creates a handful of new rights over their data,
notably the right to know and the right to say no.
So users can see what data companies have gathered about them
have that data deleted and opt out of those companies
selling it to third parties from now on.
So here's an example.
If you're reading a wired.com article
from a California IP address,
you'll see a pop-up with a big button reading,
do not sell my personal information.
So we make a VPN company
exclusively with servers in California.
It's not actually a terrible business idea.
I mean, you could just use any other VPN
and just use a California server, minor details.
So anyway, if you click that button,
like it's not like wired was gonna immediately
sell your data like there,
like no one is just like giving them cash
in exchange for user data, but they track your behavior.
What articles you read for how long et cetera
on wired.com using cookies.
And that information can go to a third party vendor
like Google AdSense,
which combines it with similar data from other sites
to create a user profile for you
that advertisers can target.
So you know how that shoe ad
can follow you all over the web.
That's how that works.
So if you ask wired.com to stop selling your data,
you won't get those types of ads from them anymore.
And your browser history on wired
won't factor into the types of ads you see elsewhere.
Now, right now there's no enforcement.
That's gonna start on July 1st,
and the final regulations haven't been released.
So it's an open question as to whether the enforcement
will be robust enough for the law
to actually make an impact
for anyone to actually stop doing this.
It grants Californians the right to sue companies
for failing to take reasonable precautions
to prevent data breaches though,
and also make sure that companies comply with the,
oh, and making sure that companies comply with the CCPA
is the sole province of the attorneys.
The Attorney General's office has indicated
it will only have the bandwidth
to bring a handful of cases each year.
At a certain point,
web companies are gonna have to have departments
that are entirely dedicated to-
Complying with all the different consumer-
From all over the world,
and every different state,
and every different province.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.
This actually sounds wonderful, but like-
We're already running into this
with taxation on FlowPlane.
We're running into this with everything on FlowPlane.
Just the amount of like different angles,
different new laws are coming from,
like it's tough.
And like, it's not pointed towards startup, whatever.
You still have to be ready for it.
Yep.
And honestly, 50,000 users,
like $25 million revenue,
or over half of your revenue coming from user data,
those ones make a ton of sense to me.
Yeah.
50,000 users is not a lot.
Yeah, the other two make sense.
Especially when you're doing, you know,
like a big user drive
where you're making your service free to use at first.
You know, like Dropbox did way back in the day.
Like you had a lot of really great features in Dropbox
and on the free tier.
Yeah.
And now it's not anymore.
It's much more locked down
because they've established themselves.
And so, you know, to me, 50,000 users, you know,
you could do a soft launch and have 50,000 users overnight.
And that doesn't necessarily mean,
like you're in scramble mode,
figuring out everything else at that point.
How do you define a user?
That's way too vague in my opinion.
Interesting.
Go on.
Is it someone who visited the website at all?
They technically use the website.
If they scrolled at all, does that count as using?
Does going to the website at all count as using?
Do they have to have an account?
Do they have to pay?
Like what defines a user?
Right.
I mean, it sounds to me-
How do you differentiate?
Like you could nuke,
you could like bot traffic nuke a site with this.
Right.
No, 50,000 users.
There you go.
You're screwed.
Blah.
And then, you know, sue them for using the data
or something.
Boom.
I see what you mean.
So like it's, what is it?
How do you define that?
Too vague.
Don't like it.
I actually like the-
What would you do differently though?
I like the idea of-
Yeah.
I like the idea.
Well, remove the users thing.
Make it revenue or whatever the other one was.
The first two that we liked.
Yeah, like over half of your revenue coming from user data.
Yeah, sure.
Nuke that.
What was the other metric?
Over a certain amount of money.
It was over $25 million a year revenue.
Both of those sound great
because you're making that much money.
Yep.
Then you can figure this out.
Well, yes and no,
because you could be doing $25 million a year revenue,
but that doesn't necessarily mean,
in the Silicon Valley model,
you're not necessarily making any money.
True, but if you're cycling that much through,
you probably have the dev horsepower to make this.
This doesn't sound way too complicated.
I mean, really the thing though too
is that it's not just dev.
Like you said, it's going to come down to
also needing to keep track
of all these different regulations.
And when you could be dealing with like,
if the attorney general's office is already saying
they're only going to be able to bring
a handful of cases a year,
like they're basically saying
they're going after the whales.
Yeah.
I mean, what if one of the usual suspects,
you know, your Facebook
and Facebooks and Googles of the world,
what if they don't do anything?
And what if they make it all the way down the list
to someone who isn't ready for it?
Who this isn't really designed for.
Who doesn't have a gigantic legal department?
I don't know.
I mean-
If you are making a bunch of your revenue
off of selling user data,
then I don't really feel that bad.
Like it's going to be completely honest.
If there's anything that we've learned
from our dealings with the CRA,
a lot of the time when you're dealing
with a government agency,
it just, the spirit of the law doesn't matter at all.
Yeah.
Like it just, they just don't even care.
You go like, hold on, backup.
This was designed for Scenario X.
And here are the ways in which what's going on here
is very, very different from that.
And therefore it doesn't make sense.
Don't care.
And they just don't care.
So maybe the way that this law was designed
to go after companies that really are just out there
harvesting user data and making money off of it.
Maybe it was designed for that,
but maybe they end up grabbing someone who has 50,000 users
and is just like barely scraping by or whatever.
And they end up like going under.
That's why I like the idea.
I'm concerned about the execution, but I like the idea.
And here's the thing guys is that you might say, okay,
well, the real solution is for there to be enough
of this legislation that's robust enough
that collecting user's data and using it to advertise
to them is just going to go away.
I can tell you right now, unequivocally,
that that will destroy the internet as you know it.
A banner ad on a website without any of the kind
of performance metrics and tracking and effectiveness
that Facebook and Google have effectively used
to drive value for their business and for their customers
is worth basically nothing now, like nothing.
So every website you use, every content creator
that you view pretty much wouldn't exist
without the evolution of advertising
that has taken place on the web.
And we're not saying whether or not you're okay with that.
You might be okay with that.
You might be totally okay with that.
But it will change the landscape of the internet.
Whether you think that's good or bad,
it's entirely up to you.
But with that said, I mean, doomsayers have said things
like that before, I mean, about things like Adblock.
Adblock still hasn't destroyed the internet as you know it.
Unless, I mean, journalism's taking a bit of a beating.
Yeah.
So there is that.
Adblock has, I would argue that Adblock
has substantially changed the internet.
You see that scary stuff where China
is now state subsidizing news agencies in other countries,
like creating their own Chinese backed news agency
that just operates like any other news agency,
except they don't have to worry about making money
cause they're just backed by the Chinese government.
It's interesting.
Isn't RUTV that, but Russian?
Well, it's different.
I don't know anything about it.
State sponsored media within a country
is a thing in a lot of places.
You've got your RUTV, you've got your Chinese state media,
North Korean state media, your Fox News.
You got your whatever.
Just kidding.
I know Fox News is technically independent.
But this is different.
This is China actually building news companies,
like news agencies on other country's soil
and just like making sure that they don't run
out of money effectively.
So it's gonna be a fascinating way for them
to control the narrative.
So anyway, what else we got?
One quick thing.
Oh yeah, sure.
Let's jump back to the shirt.
Oh yeah, right.
Okay, Luke screen, here we go.
These are the results.
So that's a solid five.
When you got five, four, six, and seven
in the top four results, basically nobody really likes it.
So you've got the charitable 6% that are giving it a 10.
You've got the more honest 50 votes that gave it a nine.
And then most people are just like, eh.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Actually, speaking of making sure that-
At least more people voted 10 than one.
Yeah, I guess that's something.
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Yes.
One of the reasons I wanted to bring up the keyboard thing
is because in diagnosing my keyboard,
I was taking it apart and I was trying to look up
the brand of lube that I recommended way back in the day
for lubing your switches.
So I looked up my old key cap replacement guide
and in looking that up, I figured out that you guys
did a watch your keyboard on the dishwasher video.
We did.
You missed a couple of things.
Oh, what did we miss?
The lube.
Missed the lube.
If you watch your keyboard on the dishwasher.
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Actually there was more left on it than you'd think.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, we did check for that.
We should have mentioned it though.
We should have specifically called it out.
What else did we get wrong?
There is also.
Oh, cause we didn't run it hot.
If we had run it hot, for sure the lube would have melted.
Do you have like heat determining things
on your dishwasher?
Yeah.
Does everyone have that?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I've specifically mentioned it in the video though.
Okay.
That I ran it on cold.
Okay.
Or at least I did in the footage.
I don't know if it made it into the video.
I don't remember that, but I didn't,
like I wasn't fine tooth combing.
All right.
And then there, I mean there's a few things
like you probably didn't have distilled water
going through your dishwasher.
No, I didn't.
Yeah.
That would be better.
They all survived.
They did.
And I know, I appreciate that you did more than one.
I will, that was.
Did a bunch.
That was cool.
I do appreciate that.
But you could still get minerals from the water.
Absolutely you could.
And then there even, I know you,
PBT does have a very low melting point
and I'm happy you pointed that out
cause no one should do that.
But even ABS plastics can warp.
That's true.
We didn't have any warpage though.
I, yeah.
We also specifically ran it on cold for that reason.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
But the lube was the main one I wanted.
Okay, yes.
We should have called that out.
We were lucky though in that our configuration
and our test run, we didn't have any problems with it.
I do know of plenty of people that have done it.
It's been fine.
Right.
But there are just some like,
I've never heard of these risks before going.
I've never heard of anyone actually killing one.
I've seen a warped plastics.
That would be bad.
But I've never actually heard of anyone
say their keyboard straight up died from it.
So, yeah.
All right.
There's just a couple more things
that we have to chat about.
LTX 2020, save the date, August 7th and 8th.
Oh, the new site is live.
Okay, well we ended up talking about that anyway,
but at any rate, there it is.
LTX 2020, August 8th and 9th, Vancouver Convention Center.
We're gonna be in the big newer side this year.
7th and 8th and then you said 8th and 9th.
Oh wait.
It's 8th and 9th.
Oh crap.
8th and 9th, 8th and 9th.
In the doc, it says 7th and 8th.
LTX, August 8th and 9th.
Yeah.
Featuring DreamHack once again, super excited.
It's gonna be awesome.
We've got a whole bunch of information on the site
that's been updated except for that.
Transportation might have information.
Yay, there you go, there's good stuff there.
So yep.
Yeah.
Guys, wanna see you there.
We had a great, great show last year.
Genuinely.
We've got some amazing booth ideas for this coming year.
Von, do you remember any of the new ones?
Can I just like tease a couple of them?
What was that stage challenge?
Oh, okay.
So this one, I had suggested that we have two PCs
where there's something wrong with each of them.
Yes, yes, yes.
So an on-stage PC diagnosis face-off.
Is it the same issue?
It's the same issue?
Yeah.
But the idea is the first to post.
Yep.
First to post, that's pretty cool.
So that's gonna be really fun.
Got a lot of really great like panel ideas.
We're gonna be inviting a whack ton of creators.
If you guys haven't heard from me yet,
it's cause I haven't sent emails yet.
Don't worry, I will send out emails.
I was very excited last year
and I was like pretty sure I was gonna enjoy it
more than PAX and then I did by massive amounts.
And that makes me way more excited for this year.
Please come say hi.
This year is gonna be fricking awesome.
I'm super stoked.
All right, and then I also got a pimp, Carpool Critics.
So we are experimenting with a podcast.
It's called Carpool Critics.
You can find it at-
Which by the way, the float plane traffic,
when you launch a video that says
we're leaving float plane is crazy.
We did?
Yeah, the Carpool Critics,
we're gonna be going to podcast only thing
was titled we're leaving float plane.
So everyone got a notification Linus Tech Tips,
we're leaving float plane.
That was awesome.
The traffic spike was huge.
Okay then.
It was a little misleading, but you know.
I think he's face calming
because that was not supposed to happen.
I don't know if he's cleared that,
but I didn't clear that.
Yeah, I didn't clear that.
And that has, okay.
Yeah, there's a few people in the comments
being like, wow, really clickbaity.
But you know, it was cool for us to see.
Yeah, also I don't see why
they shouldn't just keep uploading it there anyway.
Yeah.
So, okay.
We're also gonna be releasing audio only posts guys,
but you know.
Okay, when are you guys gonna be done that feature?
I don't know.
Okay.
Okay, so it's on Twitter at Carpool Critics.
You can head to carpoolcritics.libsyn.com
to get all the deets about it.
And basically it's Riley, James and David
are kind of the core cast,
but I would expect them to rotate in and out
and have some other people in there.
They're gonna be talking about old movies, new movies,
just kind of movie related stuffs.
It's available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts,
Pocket Casts, Spotify, and more.
And.
I was gonna say, I know you have negative time,
but I was hoping you were gonna be
on the Rise of Skywalker one.
I honestly, I think, so we went and saw it together
and then we ended up sitting in his car in the parking lot.
I said five minutes.
We ended up talking for about an hour
just because we both had so much to unpack.
Very many thoughts.
I'm just spamming chat with Carpool Critics links here.
Oh, cool.
I'll get the other links.
I haven't actually watched the Carpool Critics episode
on Rise of Skywalker yet.
I just don't know how much I can.
Yeah, I don't know.
They had already recorded it by the time I saw the movie.
Oh, okay.
I thought on release day.
Release day, that makes sense.
And honestly, I doubt that I would have had much
to contribute because they seem to have all had
pretty much the same,
they seem to have all seen the same movie that I did.
Now, okay, we're, oh man, do I have time to go off
on a short Star Wars tangent?
Is the building locked?
Like, can you lock the building while I, okay.
All right, so I took a lot of flack
because I ranted at the end of Tech Linked
about some of my issues with Rise of Skywalker
with one of the big ones being, spoiler alert.
It's still not really a spoiler, but it's a small spoiler.
Okay, so one of my main issue with,
nah, it's hard to say main issue.
One of my main issues with Rise of Skywalker
being this just pulling new force abilities
out of a drawer or your butt or a pocket
whenever you need one in order to solve a problem.
And I took a lot of flack for people saying,
well, actually, if you read the comics
and watched all the shows, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
If you read all the comics and watched all the shows,
you would know that there are established times,
like Force Healing was established here
and Force This was established there
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So my problem with all of that is that, oh, oh, right.
And one of the most like QED MF-er posts was,
well, it's always been that way.
In A New Hope, moving things around
with the force doesn't exist.
It's only this ability to be superhumanly reactive,
so better reflexes and to know what's gonna happen
before it's gonna happen.
We can communicate over long distances and with the dead.
It guides us, it's a mystic thing.
It binds the galaxy together and that was really about it.
And then early in Empire, so this was their like,
um, actually, you know, when Luke grabs his lightsaber
with the force, that's pulling force abilities
out of his butt and then there's Return of the Jedi
when there's force lightning out of the butt.
And then you've got, you know, the prequel trilogy
where they pull lots of force things out of their butt.
Okay, here's my response to that.
All of that made sense because in A New Hope,
Obi-Wan really, he's like an old man and like,
you look at him trying to fight Vader,
like he's barely even standing at this point, okay?
So the fact that he doesn't still, you know,
do double flips or whatever,
you could kind of make an argument there.
Luke is still learning how to use it, he's a novice.
You can introduce new force abilities with Luke Skywalker
throughout the original trilogy
without it being a continuity error
or breaking the rules of the galaxy
that they've, you know, laid out at all.
As for the prequel trilogy,
with the exception of just phenomenally stupid things
like R2-D2 suddenly having a jet pack,
like when it comes to force abilities, well, yeah,
you've got literal like gigantic schools
dedicated to studying the force.
All of that knowledge was like lost in stuff.
Of course they could do stuff
that didn't exist anymore later.
I had a bigger issue and we talked about this.
I had a bigger issue with magnitude.
Okay, okay, we can, yeah, sure, that too.
So it ties into magnitude though.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
So here we are, we're in the future
where all that knowledge was like lost in stuff
and all those users were lost.
And then there was this period where, no,
the entire force did not concentrate itself
into one individual, okay, so that didn't happen.
And then we're like 20, 30 years in the future
and we're still pulling new abilities out of our butt
even though all those many, many generations,
for thousands of years, the Jedi Knights
were the guardians of peace and justice.
Thousands of years.
We lost all that, but now within a couple of decades,
we've got, you know, Jedi masters suddenly being like,
oh yeah, sure, like I'm a Jedi master or whatever,
even though I like didn't finish my Jedi Knight training,
so however that works.
And like I just,
it drove me nuts because even if you've got these comic books
and you've got these shows
that have established this stuff,
you haven't established how Rey ended up
being able to do it.
The only reason why I'm not chipping in more
is because I know we can't stay here forever.
Yeah.
I was just explaining for people watching.
I don't know, it drives me crazy
because it takes all the stakes out of a conflict
or out of a problem, when you know that just,
I don't know, like try to look for us or something.
I watched a video recently on it
and I thought his explanation was pretty solid.
It was actually a video about the Clone Wars animated series
because they're releasing a new season soon.
I'm really excited about that.
And they went off and said like, okay,
so the original series is the foundation of your house.
Right.
The prequels, it's kind of like the door
and some of the siding, some of the stuff on the outside.
The Clone Wars animated series
is like the structural beams inside the house.
And then Disney's series is like the,
you live, you laugh, you love sign on the wall.
Okay.
And I just thought that was great.
I just really liked that analogy.
It was really good.
Like it's pretty.
It's a nice, it looks, the calligraphy is perfect.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't think that,
I don't think that they could have,
I don't know how I would have fixed it.
That's the bottom line.
By the time you're on that one,
you're just kind of screwed.
And this is something we.
This is something we talked about.
Like the pacing of the movie was terrible
because they were trying to,
they were trying to tie up two entire random series
of events worth of movies,
random events and random characters,
utterly meaningless events and meaningless characters.
And they're just like trying to tie it all up
in like one movie.
And then also stuff has to happen in that movie.
And like, Kylo Ren is a terrible villain.
His arc is just terrible and boring.
I mean, you know what?
I had a disagreement with,
I think it was either David or Riley about,
spoiler alert,
about bringing back Emperor Palpatine.
They were like, that was the worst thing
they did in the movie.
Palpatine, okay.
Palpatine, whatever, I don't care.
So they said that was the worst thing they did in the movie.
And I said, I think it was one of the smartest things
they did in the movie because they had no villain
with any gravity whatsoever.
Who is it gonna be?
No one.
It's not Ren.
It's not Snoke.
Yeah, he's gone.
So what could they possibly do?
And there's been interviews,
like George Lucas apparently told Ian McDiarmid,
I can't remember, I don't know how to pronounce his name.
Whatever, he told the actor that plays Emperor Palpatine
that he was dead when he got thrown down the shaft
in Return of the Jedi.
And so he was like, oh, I was surprised
to like be alive again and stuff.
But like, what else could they possibly do?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a mess.
I think bringing Palpatine back was fine.
I didn't have very many issues with that part of it.
Him being back in general wasn't a huge issue for me.
His like, god lightning, yeah.
So I'm not well enough to walk on my own.
But, bah!
Like one minute later, you know, no problem.
I hated how important lightsabers were.
Yep.
Lightsabers should be super cool,
but they should be a conduit.
Yeah, they don't have power.
They're just a laser sword.
Han Solo can wield one.
Like, what?
It would have made more sense to me
if Rey had just like gotten force lightning zapped
and then just like blasted it back at him or something.
That would have made more sense than like,
no, one lightsaber is not enough
to stop a force lightning attack, but two?
Not to mention that it's from some guy
that just disabled the entire sky.
Like, what are you talking about?
Like, yeah, it's like.
Mace Windu blocks it.
Like if you're a 10 year old.
But there's.
It's like, yeah, that was like super badass
when Rey was like, bah, bah, bah, bah.
But that's it.
It's like it was written by a 10 year old
for a 10 year old.
It's like they had kids in the school yard.
Like, remember what it was like
when you're in elementary school
and you're like, oh man, like wouldn't it be cool
if like you had like a jet plane,
but it like was like so big.
Also a dinosaur.
And then it like hit the school
and it like blew up like the whole block,
but no one was there
and we just didn't have to go to school for a week.
That's how much sense the action sequences
in Star Wars Rise of Skywalker make.
And I think there's like, okay, yeah,
so Mace Windu blocks force lightning with his lightsaber,
but you can tell it's taking an extreme amount
of force to hold it back.
And I think there might be a little bit
of like Palpatine was letting him
because he wanted Anakin to have the moment.
Yeah, because that was an extremely important moment.
Mace Windu even sees the shatter point of that moment,
but he thinks it's him taking down Palpatine.
He doesn't think it's Anakin interrupting
because he doesn't know why the shatter point's there.
Anyways, yeah, no one cares.
All right, I think that's pretty much
all I have to talk about.
The Segway chair is, it looks terrible.
I mean, Segway's not even Segway.
Why isn't it just a wheelchair?
They got bought by like whoever.
So here there's a bunch of questions and I don't know,
like why don't you just put a wheel on the front?
They put wheels on the back
just in case it rocks backwards, like what?
I don't know, dude.
So yeah, it's a self-balancing egg-shaped two-wheeler
so you can cruise around it.
It goes almost 40 kilometers an hour.
Okay, instead of being driven by leaning,
it uses a joystick on the right-hand side of the seat.
So you're basically like Professor Xavier, I guess,
but you don't actually hover.
The self-balancing technology
will always keep the chair level.
The two-wheel setup will allow
for quick changes in direction even while stopped.
And there are three more small wheels
visible on the underside of the chair
for presumably moving it around while the motors aren't on.
It was apparently inspired by the gyrosphere
from Jurassic Park and it's for sale to the public in 2021.
No word on cost.
Where would you park it?
Like where would you, how would you?
Yeah, so okay.
Segway was acquired by Rival Ninebot in 2015.
Yeah, that's who acquired them.
They had previously actually tried to get
Ninebot's knockoffs banned from the US.
So that was apparently the solution to that.
Yay for, you know.
Someone in chat said Ray had the power
of every Jedi insider, so did Luke.
So.
Yeah, and also that's just stupid and makes no sense.
Someone also said that Mace Windu
used the power of the dark side.
Yeah, Vapad, whatever.
That's not the point.
I hear you though.
It's cool.
Made his character very cool.
All right, Mr. Min,
it's the first time I can watch the live stream.
Thanks for watching.
Sorry guys, I can only do the top ones this week
cause I really need to go.
Steve says, I'm a maintenance planner
learning to do coding for creating algorithms
for AI to auto-schedule maintenance
for a 1 million square foot manufacturing facility.
Basically planning myself out of a job at any openings.
I don't know what we would do with your skillset
but that sounds sweet.
Chris says, got my valve index
thanks to your recommendation a few weeks ago.
Super happy with it.
As always, your videos are great.
Video thought projects with Raspberry Pi.
I mean, the thing about Raspberry Pi is it's like
what video project isn't a Raspberry Pi project?
So it's kind of hard.
Riveus says, sorry for the incessant super chats.
It's my first time catching you live
in the years I've followed.
Thanks for all the education,
entertainment and companionship.
Oh, you're very welcome.
Gap2Granny, have you checked out
GJI's new first person view goggles?
No, I haven't.
Also got the float plane beta shirt, fits wonderful.
Nice, beta squadron for life.
And oh, speaking of float plane.
Okay, sorry guys.
That's all I can do.
Speaking of float plane, 4K.
We did all the things.
Yup, 4K yearly.
4K yearly subscriptions.
I don't think I put yearly prices in for the standard one.
Did I?
I think you did.
Okay, cool.
You didn't do the...
Yeah, anyways.
So guys, you can subscribe at 4K quality.
I think it's 10 bucks a month or a hundred dollars a year.
And then five and 50.
Yeah, and it looks freaking awesome.
How are the servers holding up?
They're doing okay.
Because we've got new creators on too, don't we?
Yup.
How many videos did you guys get uploaded at once?
Uploading a lot.
Yup, yup, yup, yup.
There's two different creators that have uploaded
at least 40 videos already.
Sweet.
And how's it going?
It's going all right.
It's going good.
It's going okay.
You seem guarded.
There was some problems, but it is going all right.
The problems were addressed very quickly.
The team's been doing great.
Honestly, everyone on the team has been awesome this week.
Everyone is very responsive.
Dan got to flex his abilities a little bit.
Customer care superpowers.
Yeah, a little bit more than he normally gets to.
But yeah, everyone did awesome.
Yuqi like swooped in and saved two different situations
while the call with the creator was live,
which was awesome.
That was really cool.
Yeah, it was great.
Great week for FlipPlant.
I won't keep you guys way too long.
All right.
Yeah.
Thanks guys.
See you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Raveus says my face won one of four super chats read.
Sorry.
That's that's two of five now.