Okay, welcome to the WAN Show, tis a beautiful Friday, and I, well it's hot.
That's true.
It's like super hot, like look, I'm flush.
I have done very little today, and I am flush.
That's because we're in like a warehouse, that doesn't really have ventilation.
The most exercise that I got today actually was closely related to the most important
news from today, which is that Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei finally made it past China's
Lin Dan in the...
So cheering was your most exercise?
Yeah.
Yep, so I was up early this morning watching that match, oh man, absolutely epic.
Absolutely epic.
Lee Chong Wei finally passed Lin Dan, if you don't care about Badminton you'll have no
idea who either of those people are, but trust me they're great.
I've never watched Badminton, I know both of these people.
Okay, that's not fair, I have watched Badminton when you have showed me like a specific clip
on your phone.
Okay, well I'll tell you what, I will show you...
Like this is important because XYZ.
I will show you another specific clip because it's very important, very, very important.
Lee Chong Wei's third match point, Lin Dan makes probably the most epic save that I have
seen at that level and it's incredible and then he goes on to win it, so that's great.
My man Lee Chong Wei all the way through, anyway, sorry, I will talk about technology now at
some point.
Do you wanna go through topics?
Okay, so basically we have AMD Zen and then we have, oh my God, AMD stock price in a good
way this time, which is good.
There was the IDF or Intel Developer Forum and even more Intel Developer Forum stuff.
Basically we're gonna be talking about processing chips a lot.
And we'll probably also talk about Nvidia's launch of their 10 series notebook graphics
cards.
There's no M for mobile, but there could be an N for notebook.
Wasn't that last week?
Oh no, that was this week.
I just saw it last week.
Okay.
Oh, you're awful.
You gotta rub it in their face like that.
I didn't even, oh.
It's like, aren't all these pre-release products that I'm always playing with just like old
news and boring?
Oh man.
It's like, aren't you just like a total piece of crap to our loyal viewers?
All like, yeah, see, this is your face.
I got my head on the back of your neck and this is like the better position that I'm
in all the time.
And this is like, yeah, yeah, you like that?
All right.
So let's wait.
Did someone just tell me there's no couch in the intro?
Oh, well there's no, oh, he means there's no couch anymore.
Wow.
It took you just over a year to know it.
Yes.
It has definitely been a long time since that, all right.
So why don't we jump right into our first topic here?
The original article is from PC perspective.
So this is a significantly more credible source than last week.
Did you post this in the chat already?
No, but I got it.
That's fine.
Cause I'm done.
Oh dang.
You just got, you just got schooled son.
Oh dang.
Son.
Yeah.
Son.
That's what rappers do, right?
I mean, sometimes.
Yeah.
Sure.
Like, like this, right?
I think you're like reversing the 80, 20 rule here.
Oh, I don't know.
You're putting in 80% of the effort and getting 20% of the results.
Is that not how it works?
All right.
Speaking of 80% of the effort and 20% of the results, AMD.
No, no, no good things.
Yes.
They are doing good things.
And when they do good things, we will notice that they do good things.
Yes.
And the good thing that they did this time is talking about actually doing a demo.
So this comes right on the heels of the WCCF tech leaked benchmarks from last week, doing
a demo where they showed off working Zen Silicon running a benchmark.
I mean, we're talking a benchmark.
We are not talking many benchmarks across a variety of different use cases up against
a Broadwell E-chip, an unnamed Broadwell E-chip with eight cores and 16 threads running at
3 gigahertz.
It is speculated that this is a fixed clock 6,900 K though it wouldn't really matter if
it was a Xeon at 3 gigahertz because they are the same thing.
It's just easier to do it with a K chip because you can control the clock speed.
Hooray processors.
So they had identical speeds and claimed comparable configurations.
Now they didn't talk about like what motherboards are being ran.
They didn't talk about what GPU's were being ran.
They didn't talk about any of that kind of stuff, just comparable configurations.
Eight core 16 threads for Zen, eight core 16 threads for Broadwell E both running at
3 gigahertz.
That's all we know, like boosts or turbo boosts or anything like that.
It looks like has been left out of the picture.
And then they only ran Blender and the Zen processor was faster than the Broadwell E-chip
in Blender by one to two seconds ish and there was no official score screen shown.
Okay.
I'm assuming because there would be other information on the score screen that they
don't want to show.
Yep.
So that obviously makes sense.
So there's, I mean there's a number of reasons for that.
They wouldn't want to show the Intel processor because then that constitutes like a performance
claim relative to a real competitor.
There's going to be all kinds of like legal is going to want to look that up, down and
sideways and make sure that they're not saying anything that they can later be sued for by
Intel.
I've never wondered why, you know, car companies will be like competitor F and competitor B.
It's really interesting.
Not to go on too much of a tangent, but like Hyundai right now is like attacking Honda
super hardcore and being like, our car has this, this very specific car from Honda doesn't
have this.
And like, it's weird because usually companies don't do that.
Usually they shy away from that.
Now, my understanding is competitors, yeah, competitors or, or they would
make it like, like my, my favorite is when they have like competitors and they put like
the first letter and like the last letter and like asterisk the ones in between where
it's obvious, but it's kind of like the way that we censor on Linus tech tips where we're
not, we're not really trying to obscure the meaning.
Yeah.
We're just, you know, trying to make it so that I don't get angry emails from parents
of kids who watch the show.
We'd be like, no, no, we bleeped it.
We just bleeped not even an entire letter.
Yeah.
We did our due diligence.
Yeah.
Um, like my understanding is it's actually pretty rare for that to turn into an actual
like defamatory statement lawsuit.
However, AMD is showing unreleased hardware and even internally at AMD.
Okay.
Dr. Sue, who is different from Dr. Seuss, by the way, Lisa Sue, AMD Sue, Dr. Sue probably
doesn't know exactly what configurations then we'll ship it.
So let's say they discover at the last second that their yields will not allow them to hit
a TDP that is competitive with Broadwell yet that clock speed, they have to lower the clock
speed.
Then if someone points back and says, Hey, you showed official score screens that have
like model numbers, you said you were faster, you're not faster in the shipping product.
Now they got a problem.
So they can understand their hesitance to be too upfront about any of this.
Um, now Zen to jump back to the technology discussion, we do know a hyper threading ish
thing.
It's obviously not called hyper threading Intel TM, TM.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's called simultaneous multi threading, which is the generic, that's the tissue paper
to the Kleenex.
Yeah.
Sort of comparison.
Yeah.
SMT.
I think a lot of SMP anyways, don't worry about it.
Um, it'll, it utilizes high bandwidth and low latency caching systems and a 14 nanometer
process from global foundries.
And they're claiming it has a 40% increase in IPC over excavator at equal energy per
cycle consumption, although we were, we were both going there.
Yeah.
It's a little old man.
I mean, if Intel hadn't upgraded their processors in the last five years, they could claim they
have a 40% improvement in Skylake performance over the last thing that they, they did because
it's been so long.
I would hope that there would be a very significant increase in IPC over excavator.
So I'm happy that there is, um, a lot of this is coming down to, I don't personally like
AMD, no, that's what our viewers seem to pre-release stuff and rumor stuff.
And I am very excited, actually, genuinely very excited to get this in office and like
try it against things because of AMD, if these things are true and especially on the slightly
lower end, or if this thing is considerably cheaper and can actually fight really well,
that is so good for markets in so many different ways.
Wrap your brain around this.
What?
Okay.
Let's say you and I like got together, we had a meeting, okay.
And the meeting was like, okay, let's figure out what our next build blog is going to be.
We're like build guide.
Okay.
Get this.
We go, wow, AMD has a great value gaming chip that's really efficient and like has all the
latest features.
Let's do that.
It hasn't happened in so long.
I know, right?
The reason why we haven't included AMD chips and things for so long is because where are
they?
There's, it's where are they?
And it's the, three fifties were like super cool.
Like a while ago, it's the sex appeal too.
Like it's the fact that whether, whether the, whether the vocal minority likes it or not,
if our goal over here is to be kind of like the top gear of PCs, then there's really,
there's really not many opportunities for us to feature AMD PCs.
You'll see them on things like value builds.
So we've done that in the last couple of years featuring AMD processors.
You'll see them in things like, let's see, retro builds.
So I rebuilt my first gaming machine and I used an AMD processor for that.
But the reality of it is, is that if the idea is to be kind of like a top gear, you show
off the best of the best, you show the halo stuff, you show the jaw dropping stuff that's
like just straight cool factor.
And you might show like a junker from time to time, which is exactly what we would do
on something like a scrapyard wars where we take like really old hardware from AMD and
video or Intel.
We don't care.
It's like, it's old stuff and we kind of have fun with it.
And then there's really not much room for that.
Like that, like Yaris, you know, the, the, the economical, you know, Hey, it's got the
better onboard graphics than the competitor.
But you know, this is a, this is a building that literally doesn't have a single machine
in it.
That isn't a laptop that has onboard graphics.
So it, so it doesn't give us many opportunities.
Even then they're technically on board, but like they're usually separate.
But this, this is exciting because we, as much as the Yaris doesn't excite me much,
I could get pretty amped up about something like a, Oh, I'm going to try and come up with
something comparable and I'm not a car person.
So that makes it really tough.
I can get excited about a Prius.
Okay.
Where we can go, okay, it's not like the cheapest possible thing to get you down the road, but
it's like fuel economy, economical, and it's got like some cool features and it's a good
value.
Yeah.
I can get excited about that.
So I am, I am, I am looking forward, even from raw, a competition standpoint, having
good competition is a very good thing.
And like Intel, I love you guys, but you're getting a little lazy.
I wouldn't call it lazy.
I would call it defocused.
Yeah.
Okay.
Defocused on the desktop market.
Yeah.
Uh, and I understand why a lot of inspiration, there's basically nothing in it for them to
keep innovating.
What are they going to do?
Go from 80, whatever high percent market share or whatever it is that they're at right now.
It's something ludicrous.
They're going to get another 1% like if they double their R and D, what are they going
to get for it?
Nothing.
Whereas if AMD comes back, claws away some market share and makes Intel fight for it
to the point where it's like, okay, we're increasing our R and D spending by 60%.
We need to improve the clock speed or IPC of the next generation or two generations
away core processor by 30% in order to smack down this upstart.
Like that's where innovation comes from because you have to understand that no one here is
like is like just doing things out of love.
Money turns the wheel.
Any publicly traded company ultimately answers to its shareholders.
And so if Intel doesn't have a single good reason on paper to really change much of anything
other than making sure that they're leading the technology charge, which improves their
margin, which improves their sales, like they'll keep refreshing the products, they'll keep
improving, but they don't have a reason to like heavily invest and completely reinvent
the wheel unless AMD gives them one.
So this looks hopeful.
And as much as we tease them, honestly, it's easier for me to tease them now in a situation
where it really looks like the light is visible at the end of the tunnel.
And it's not an oncoming train.
With that said, they've hurt me many times before.
And I don't-
With that said at the same time, they've also done great things.
They have.
It's just been a long time.
Yeah.
So one of my easily favorite computers that I've ever owned was an Athlon X2.
Like if I made the battered wife analogy on Wancho before, where it's like, AMD and I
had the good times, but then they just kept beating me up.
They promised to bring you to Disneyland and then they didn't.
And then they didn't.
They promised me that Disneyland would be full of, you know, Phenom 2 overclocking and
it wasn't.
They told you that the coolest thing ever was coming and that it was a rebranded SSD.
There's been some disappointing times.
This will hopefully not be one of them.
Did we even pick a video about that thing?
I don't think so.
Who was the actual- Hold on.
Who was the actual maker of the AMD SSD?
I feel like it was Patriot or something.
Was it Patriot?
Patriot or OCZ or something?
Ah, AMD SSD.
Wow.
For a long time.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Oh man.
I really wish I could remember what it was.
I'm just going to Google it instead of checking our videos.
I feel like someone in the chat is going to tell us.
Yeah.
Someone will tell us.
OCZ.
Yeah.
It's really funny when companies do this.
This seems like a very first world problem, I'm sure.
But from time to time, we'll have companies that instead of reaching out to us asking
if we want to do a review, they'll just kind of put it in the mail and they'll time it
so that basically the moment that it's arriving, they'll call and we'll be like, hi?
They'll be like, yeah.
So you've got the latest and greatest freaking unbelievable thing.
We'll be like, what?
This?
And they're like, yeah.
So for your review, are you going to do this?
And I'm like, I'm not reviewing this.
This is the least exciting SSD on the face of the earth.
Yeah.
Out of all the unexciting SSDs that have ever existed, this is probably the least exciting
one.
All you've done is put a sticker.
You're AMD for crying out loud.
You can't just put a sticker on things.
You design hardware.
Put a sticker on something you didn't design, even rewrite the firmware.
Like it just, the whole thing made absolutely no sense.
I don't know if these, do these still exist?
Let's have a look.
Maybe they do.
Hold on.
Let's, let's find out in real time.
Look at that.
They still do.
And people buy them, which is, which is great.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.
That is really cheap.
Wow.
Then again, SSDs are just like cheap now.
So that's the thing.
But, um, but the point was not that it was a bad product.
It was just the world's least interesting product and they, and they resorted to pulling
tricks like, like us already having it and just being like, well, now you've already
got it.
Hype train too.
Yeah.
It was, it was a real hype train.
Not in the Ram too.
I think the Ram was pre LMG.
Um, so I was actually at NCIX when we got briefed on like AMD's exciting, bold strategy
for rebranding Patriot memory.
I remember getting these at the old studio.
Here, hold on.
I'll share your screen.
Okay.
Patriot?
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's where I got that confusion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Built by partner XYZ partner XYZ.
So in the case of the ones that I had anyway, it was a, it was Patriot memory.
I thought we might've even still had some of these lying around, but I went looking
for them the other day and I couldn't find them.
Oh, interesting.
Anyway.
So solid.
We actually use them in like a fair amount of stuff.
So I'm approaching this tentatively and I've said this before, but I feel like I'm going
to be saying it on when show every week until Zen launches.
So get used to it.
I'm approaching it tentatively, but I feel like he might really take me to Disneyland
this time.
Maybe.
It does kind of feel like it.
Right.
Does kind of.
It really feels, it's really different this time.
He's going to take me to Disneyland.
Oh, it's like, what's that mark on your arm?
This is our last trip to Disneyland.
Oh, I really hope it's true.
I like the thing is this time instead of it being like a mystery, exciting product, it's
like they're telling us what it is.
They have some confidence.
And they're like telling us stuff about it instead of just being like, it's great.
Hooray.
Chris 771 in Twitch chat says AMD soon to rebrand Nvidia GPUs.
Oh no.
That was rude.
Oh, that's not nice.
Hey, their graphics cards are doing really good right now.
One V one rust.
Rust nine says decide is it Zed or is it Z?
It's both because we're Canadian, which means that we have no culture.
Yep.
We borrow from the South and we borrow from the Brits and we don't know who we borrowed
what from.
It's kind of true.
Sorry.
It is what it is.
I don't make the rules.
My friends.
My favorite thing was playing.
Wow.
Because there was a raid in an instance and I called one of them Z G and I called the
other one Zed F and like, but that made sense to me.
And that's, that was their names and that's how it went.
We just go with whatever sounds like, like better, whatever it's like smoother.
Yeah.
So it's O C Z for me and it's a W X Y and Z because it rhymes cause now I know my ABCs.
Fun fact.
It's the same tune as twinkle twinkle little star.
Oh, it is.
And there's something else too.
Can't remember what it is.
Row, row, row your boat.
No, no, not, not that one.
ABC twinkle twinkle little star and there's like one other, one other like, like super
yeah, I can't remember, but it's actually not terribly important.
Anyways, it sounds like other people have confident that confidence that we're actually
going to Disneyland this time too, because AMD stock has just absolutely skyrocketed.
So I think in the last day it's gone up 11% and this year it's gone up 330% boom, which
is insane.
That is so much.
I remember when AMD was trading at like a buck or two.
Yeah.
I was actually even thinking about at the time I was like, realistically it couldn't
go any lower.
Maybe I should just buy a bunch, but I mean OCZ became a penny stock before they went
under.
So I was like, I don't know.
Although OC Zazz, whatever, it's probably a little bit more of a volatile position than
AMD is.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
I think it's tough about the inner workings of OCZ to know that like that was well enough
deserved at the time that that happened.
So like that's also really cool because they need that really badly.
They can't just have a really good product launch.
They also need investor confidence and the fact that the investor confidence is coming
before the really good product launch, okay, of Zen, I guess our graphics cards are doing
super well as well.
Yeah, they just don't really have that many of them right now and the ESPs are kind of
low.
And I'm sorry, I'll let you finish, but I have another comment on the graphics.
Do you think you just butt into people's conversations because you're old now?
It's not a conversation.
You're sitting there talking out into the dark.
No, cause there's Twitch chat.
They didn't ask you about this.
That's not a conversation.
Just saying things that's not conversation by that logic, I have an excellent conversation.
So wait, you can't have a conversation unless someone asks you about a topic?
Well there has to be a back and forth.
That's a conversation.
They can respond.
Yeah, but they won't.
Yes we did.
Someone just said yes we did.
Yes we did.
You know what Nick says?
How does this show have sponsors says Nick light.
I don't know.
It's his job to get them.
I don't know how he does it.
The shockster says, Luke, I asked you.
Don't worry.
See?
He's got my back.
I want to move on to AMD's success with GPUs and into something that could have a significant
impact on that recent success.
So you've tested the RX 480.
You've tested the RX 470.
Thoughts so far?
We're giving it the thumbs up.
Definitely definite thumbs up.
The price differential between those two cards is a little weird.
It does seem like a very crowded product stack, doesn't it?
But especially when you have partners that are trying to attack, like it's the usual
thing, right?
Where EVGA is the worst offender here.
They've had, I've seen them have up to like nine.
Super clocked for the win.
K.O.
K.O.
classified.
Super super clocked.
Super super clocked plus.
It is freaking super clocked ACX2.
It is freaking endless with those guys.
And when you have separate GPUs, like architecturally different, well not architecturally, but like
actual chip design different GPUs, 30 or 40 bucks of each other, there's not a lot of
room for Sapphire to go like, yeah, it's the Nitro Plus RX 460 and it costs like as much
as an RX 480.
Because then it's like, okay, well I'm just going to buy the better one.
Yes.
So like there's, yeah.
Anyway, so other than that, looking pretty good, looking pretty keen, you know, but Nvidia
went and dropped a bomb this week.
If you want to actually post this one in the chat, I kind of skipped ahead to it.
Yeah.
I don't know where.
Nvidia releases GeForce GTX 1060 three gig in a move that I personally find a little
bit misleading and confusing because the GTX 1060, while it is based on the same GPU or
excuse me, the GTX 1060 three gig, while it is based on the same GPU as the GTX 1060,
you might want to drop that in chat, which has six gigs of Ram, but is called the GTX
1060.
Yep.
Not the GTX 1060 six gig.
Yep.
Wait, I see now I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.
It's not quite the same.
It's not as fast.
They've done slower.
They, yes, they've done more than just take away some of the memory like we saw before
with the 8,800 GTS three 20 and 8,800 GTS at 640 Meg, which were actually identical
cards other than the difference in frame buffer.
The reason presumably, this is just my guess that they've done this is because otherwise
there would be pretty much no reason for people to buy a GTX 1060 brackets six gigabyte.
Then the reason for that being that the GTX 1060 is really not targeting 4k gaming or
like ultra wide 1440p gaming or anything like that.
And if you're gaming at 1080p or slightly above three gigs of Ram is going to pretty
much do you until it's time to upgrade to your next GPU, something that people who buy
that bang for the buck one 99 graphics card typically do, which I guess leads us pretty
well into what makes the GTX 1063 gig somewhat scary for AMD.
It comes in an MSRP of one 99.
So it does have a VRAM disadvantage, but it is based on the same architecture as the 1060.
Now Nvidia is not seeding us a review sample, but I don't know, have we reached out to anyone
about getting one yet?
Are we going to have a look at this?
We have not, I've been, there's just before we go on for a little bit, what the hell GPU
launches.
Yeah.
I know.
Stop.
I mean, we've had viewers complain.
We've had conversations like, like we sat down for like a monthly review meeting and
we're going like, there are too many GPU videos and it's like, well, I'm like, I get it.
But then there's this and I need to do like VRAM testing to show that this thing's okay.
And then there's a four 60 that we like, I think we have one and it's like, Oh my God,
I have to make a review of that because then people are going to be like, Oh, your name,
you're an Nvidia fan boy.
Cause you didn't make a four 60 review.
And if you do it three months from now, no one will care.
No, but then like there's too many videos and then there's DX 12 and Falcon and I need
to make that make sense.
But those are confusing.
Actually that's a pretty exciting video that should be coming pretty soon.
We've been, we actually had an entire hour long meeting on how to make an analogy to
make the new PI new API is kind of makes sense and we never got there, but Luke says he has
a new solution.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stay tuned.
Anyway, if the 10 60 in spite of it's slightly fewer functional units, I'm going to go ahead
and pull up the non tech article here again.
Thanks.
Thanks Mr. Ryan Smith for compiling this wonderful chart that I am outright taking from you so
that I can show it to my viewers, but it's okay.
You can get more information from Mr. Smith's article, so you should go over there.
I did link it in the chat.
So aside from having fewer CUDA cores, fewer texture units, it is clocked the same.
It has the same memory buds, bus width.
It has the same, like I'm interested in testing this very close.
So if this thing over clocks, yeah, like a GTX 10 60 six gig, the 10% performance advantage
that Nvidia quoted to us over RX 480 could stretch out significantly at the same time.
There's a pretty big flop difference and like the 10% eight fewer texture units is actually
pretty large and like the amount of CUDA core difference is actually fairly substantial.
So like it's going to be an interesting test.
I don't know.
I really wish they had called it something else.
This is very frustrating for me and it really that should have been the 10 60 and then the
10 like, okay.
Yeah.
The 10 66 gig should have been a 10 60 TI.
So what I was just going to say was this smacks of one of two things, intentional deception
or complete disorganization.
And you know how you and I were discussing our theory or your theory, I won't take credit
for your theory, your theory that the event in London, the Nvidia event in London was
intended to launch the 10 series notebook GPUs as well as Titan X and possibly this,
but that they just jumped the gun.
That was kind of the theory that you had thrown at me because, okay, think about it.
That that talk at Stanford, like look at pictures of that room.
That's a pretty random talk like the people in there are important and the fact that that
conversation happened is good and important, but why launch a GPU there?
It's really weird.
And like I got the email that Titan X launched like while I was driving to go get food and
the subject line was like, surprise, what, where did this come from?
So I have confirmation from Nvidia.
That is not the case.
Okay.
Uh, the email, it was a one word, one word email.
No, actually, no, I think there was another line.
It was like, no, that was never the plan or something.
Okay.
It's like, okay, but, but I still, I still don't really understand it.
It still just feels kind of disjointed and disorganized because I don't like, I don't
understand.
And why are you launching this now?
You have everyone talking about the hype of all the, the mobile, but without M awesome
new GPU's and laptops thing that just happened.
And I don't think Nvidia is, is ill informed enough to be reacting to RX 480 with this.
Like I fit this, this because it's actually, okay.
If this was just a GTX 10 60 card with less Ram on it and a tweaked firmware to address
less Ram, then I might go, Oh, this is a reaction move.
But this is a different bin.
This is a different bin of the GPU.
So this was, this was planned months ago.
So if there's been rumors of a six gig for a while now versus a three gig, you mean?
Yeah, sorry.
No, there's been rumors of a three gig.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's, this isn't a new concept.
It's been floating around the internet for a bit.
So it's just, it's very frustrating that, that this is confusing and I feel like I'm
turning into a broken record, but the, it feels like the more I criticize companies,
whether it's a razor or whether it's actually I take a shot at HP in my upcoming specter
video.
So yeah, cause they actually have a product called the HP, um, ah, shoot.
What was the N H P N B specter from 2012 and I'm like, yes, this is slightly different,
but it's really frustrating as just as just a person who consumes technology.
Like I was trying to look up and I fix it tear down guide of the new specter.
So I searched for HP specter tear down or HP specter disassembly, HP specter internals,
and it's all the old one because that's how SEO works.
Like something that's been well established to be important sits at the top of the search
rankings.
Titan X, just call it something else please.
It is not a lot for me to ask and it feels like the more I go drone on and on about this,
the worse it's getting.
I actually was apparently, and this is, this is quite an honor.
I'm very excited about it.
I was apparently just invited to join a razor CEO Min Lang Tan on stage at PAX.
I actually have no idea what it's about other than that.
I think it's something to do with blade, which makes sense because it's okay.
Oh, do we know what it's about?
Like is it like should we be talking about it though or is it a surprise?
Let's just not.
The point is I'm, I'm joining him there because I love the product, but I, I'm saying it right
now.
I'm saying it right now.
Heads up to the world.
I plan to criticize the blade naming scheme while I'm on stage with him because if I don't
keep trumpeting this message, then no one will hear it.
I think he does it at this point just despite me personally, maybe knowing that guy.
Yeah, that's what I wasn't going to say that part, but that's exactly what I thought.
All right, let's do our first, uh, I'm so shiny.
It's really, uh, let's do our first, uh, IDF coverage here.
So this is from the original article here is from PC per, I'm going to go ahead and
drop this in the twitch chat here.
Boom.
Let's pull up the article.
Our good buddy Ryan shroud over there is talking about Intel's project alloy that promises
to make my idea for how to make VR better, completely obsolete because apparently there
are a bunch of butt holes, mean people.
They're taking my, my whole idea and making it completely irrelevant because their idea
is better and designed by actual engineers who know what they're doing.
So it's called project alloy and it is meant to enable a completely untethered VR experience.
It utilizes, you guessed it, Intel processors and sensors, and it moves all the necessary
compute into the headset, including enough battery to power the device for a typical
session.
The goal is to remove the need for a separate PC.
Now this is not the first time that a chip maker has demonstrated a working prototype
of something like this.
And, uh, the first example was the AMD Sulon Q.
So let's go ahead and pull that up.
Uh, okay.
The article that we have here is from ours.
Technica come on ours.
You can do it.
There you go.
That's the Sulon Q that had like an AMD.
What was it?
What was in that thing?
Uh, FX processor, FX APU with our seven grade graphics, eight gigs of DDR three.
It was terrible.
Why are they doing this?
Um, well they're doing this because I guess the idea is that while my idea of converting
the three wire tether into a single thin cable and moving some of the battery power for the
headset as well as the media converter for Thunderbolt to, um, for Thunderbolt to HDMI
and USB.
Uh, while my idea is probably better for now, I don't know, 10 years from now, maybe sure.
Assuming Moore's law holds up.
Yeah.
But like, I feel like a wireless communication system while still talking to a separate processing
unit is going to be so much better because like, okay, I have used the Sulon Q.
It was actually, you actually tried it.
A disgustingly horrible experience, huh?
Like really bad.
Remember?
See, that's cortex.
That's that company.
Cortex.
Remember when I went to, went to CES, I think it was in 2015 and I was all excited for this
one company and I was going to go see them first.
And I was super stoked because they were another competitor in the VR scene.
That's right.
That was, that scene feels like it was forever ago.
It was.
This was an advancement.
This was an advancement, but it was a horrible experience to the point where they told me
to come back because what I was describing to them sounded like bugs.
And then I came back and tried it again and they're like, yeah, it's all fixed.
Everything's good.
And I'm like, no, this is broken.
This is such a terrible experience.
And the CEO is there being like, oh, and I'm like, how are you guys going to compete against
Oculus and Vive?
Well, Vive at the time was not really a thing.
It was pretty crap.
But then it came out and now it's the better one.
So anyways, just to frame that, the original Vive had a lot of problems.
Originally he didn't talk to me about Vive at all.
No, no, no.
That, that took over that, that came later.
But I'm, I'm, I'm following the horse that's winning the race.
So anyway, Intel demonstrated using your hands and other real world items to interact with
the world using RealSense.
So the Sulon uses a leap sensor.
Cool.
And this is, this is an interesting, this must be a comment from the article or something.
Current implementation that was shown during the keynote has promise, but is currently
this, this is great.
I love this shroud can be so tactful sometimes, but is currently clunky and less than what
PC per expected from the company.
Interesting.
The current prototype headset looks, and this is another quote, pretty heavy, pretty bulky.
So here's the problem though.
Hashtag disappointed.
Here's the problem though.
With trying to move, with trying to use wireless communication to a base station, the gigabytes
per second of data, unless you are using some kind of very sophisticated compression, which
would be highly visible, very noticeable on a screen that's supposed to be the size of
your entire field of vision.
Like until the compression and decompression technology can be done instantly, which right
now we're not even close, like even, even GPU accelerated compression, like the best
that Nvidia and AMD and Intel can develop right now that you're using for technologies
like steam and home streaming is not anywhere near low latency enough for VR.
So we're talking uncompressed data streams, huge amounts of data, and you have to somehow
beam it wirelessly without everyone in the house getting cancer.
That's an important part.
And I get all that, which is why I understand why they might not be going that direction
at least now.
And that's fine.
Move the processing onto your chest or your back or your hips.
I'd be interested to see more like a suit, like an entire wearable suit, because you
can make a decently powerful computer that's like eight pounds.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Okay.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
Okay.
PCI express bridge around the back to like the GPU that has direct open access to cooling
and stuff.
Yeah.
Motherboard mounted on the front with CPU and power supply like battery packs around
the thighs.
Yeah.
Cause you could have layering, you know, those stupid orange pants I have that everyone comments
on in every video.
Yes, I do.
You could have those kinds of like lots of pockets and stuff on the side and have them
loaded with rechargeable batteries.
This could be a very interesting project.
You know, what's really funny is like I posted a picture on Twitter a little while ago saying
like stay tuned for my VR backpack.
This is unlike anything you've ever seen.
So many of the comments are like quarter digital to the video like that.
Okay.
Listen carefully.
This is unlike anything you've seen means that they didn't.
So there's a lot of different ways.
There's a lot of different takes on a VR backpack.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think this take, this is what I would prefer.
This is what I've wanted people to kind of work on because putting everything on your
head is so unnecessary and you get the Sulon Cortex where like, okay, the key was beyond
that and whatever, but it's the same concept and there's a lot of weight.
It's big in the front and it's big in the back and it doesn't work very well.
And like this is some pretty grade nine physics lesson stuff here, but the further the weight
gets away from your body, the much, much worse that weight becomes, whereas if you can take
the weight and you can get it in nice and tight, like in a vest type form factor, I
mean we could be looking at a very, very usable experience.
And like, okay, so with it on your, where was I going with this?
I had it for a second.
Is it on your head, there's the pain and it has to be a contained experience.
So there's weight, pain, all that kind of stuff contained experience.
It doesn't feel very good.
You're not going to be able to pack in as much hardware for one because you could go
like crazy.
Like the left side of my back has one graphics card.
The other side of my back has another graphics card, like ridiculousness or you could just
go with one.
It doesn't matter.
Like you could do either.
Um, what you could like, what I'm saying is you're not that water cool it while we're
at it.
Okay.
Why not?
Let's do it.
Uh, what I'm saying is you're not that limited in the hardware that you probably could, but
you could, you could put more stuff there, which is great because you're dealing with
like Adam processors or smaller stuff or whatever, but it's going on your head and that sucks
and you're not going to get the performance that people actually want right now in VR.
Some people are concerned about heat, but I think with a Skylake processor, like a core
I five 6,400 or something like that, you, whatever Intel might say about that, you've
got enough power to run VR games.
It's just fine.
Um, and that's like, Oh, no, you get something like a 6,600 T 35 watt TDP desktop chair and
like build a channeling thing.
There's a different word for that.
I screwed that up, but build a channeling thing like three print something, a shroud
shroud.
There we go.
Uh, to go over your CPU.
So it pushes all the air like down.
Yep.
Then it won't be hot in front of you.
It's not going to blow up into your face.
You can use, uh, yeah, well, we're solid GPU's can shoot down your back and ITX motherboard
is actually not that big.
Yeah, no, it's not big at all.
Like seriously, not that big.
Like there you go.
Okay.
Okay.
Well we are going to, uh, we're going to give this some more thought offline, but there
you have it folks.
You heard it here first.
Um, but anyway, sorry, one more thing before we move on.
The thing that really sucks about it is the coolest thing about Oculus right now is the
headset is really nice and it's small and it's light and that's really good and it's
very noticeable between the two.
Yep.
Going to something where it's all stored up there is so backwards.
Oh, anyways.
Sorry.
All right.
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So your website will look great on a square screen, on a wide screen, on a tall screen,
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Sorry, I was reading Horton Hears a Who last night, sounds quick.
I was going to be like, well, technically it wouldn't.
Hopefully it wouldn't look great on that, but you could feel great about it even if
you weren't looking at a screen.
They've got 24 seven support via live chat and email to help you get set up if you're
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The templates all look great and whether you want a complete website with like directions
to your restaurant and a menu and like, you know, customer testimonials in a gallery or
whether you just want one of those do fee one page web presences that are popular with
web 2.0 companies.
I mean, I realize it's not in my talking points to criticize one of the services that Squarespace
offers.
I'm not saying Squarespace does a bad job.
Those sites do work well for mobile.
Okay.
I'm not talking about the ones that scroll a long way and actually do contain information.
I'm talking about the ones that just have like an inspirational picture and like a company
name and a slogan and like a contact us or something.
You know what?
Don't even have a webpage or if you do use Squarespace because if you do, you could try
it out for two weeks for nothing with no credit card required and then when you decide you
like it, you can go to squarespace.com slash when and use offer code when to save 10% if
you need help because you're like, all we had before was a picture of this isn't hard
and then you're like, Oh, I'm a little lost on making my website.
We have 24 seven email live chat support, which I already said, but that's okay.
It's still important.
It's doubly important.
Squarespace.
It's doubly important.
If they're not going to let me use their old slogan, I'm going to make up my own.
So every week we have to come up with our own custom Squarespace slogan.
Yeah.
Squarespace.
Doubly important.
Double portents.
Double portentation.
Oh man.
Okay.
Hopefully our rep isn't watching this one.
Nick is probably just literally crying upstairs right now.
Probably.
Why do I even do this?
You know what's funny?
Last week when he was on the show, he was participating in the sponsor spot shenanigans.
Turns out it's just part of the show.
It kind of is.
You get sucked into this show, you know, like the show sucks.
We try to make it not suck.
All right.
Next up, another WCCF tech article.
Intel Kaby Lake desktop lineup has been leaked by 7700 K that was, that was difficult to
predict.
I'm sure as heck didn't see that.
You know what?
Sometimes it is.
That's true with things.
That is true.
I did not see, I did not see 6950 X coming.
Yeah.
At $1,700.
You got me Intel.
Good job.
You pulled the hood over on me that time.
I didn't see that one coming.
And speaking of which, we do have a video for the people that asked for it, which was
a few, on a computer that's cheaper than a CPU, which is really easy to do when the CPU
is $1,700.
That's right.
You could have a computer cheaper than a CPU with my 22 core Xeon for the $4,000 CPU, like
you could have a computer and a laptop and a new phone cheaper than a CPU.
All your electronics cheaper than a CPU.
People give us a lot of crap for clickbait, but like, trust me, if we wanted to clickbait,
we could clickbait.
I actually have a great clickbait video coming very soon.
Double, triple, or quadruple your internet speed.
Oh yeah.
No, that's actually...
Except you actually can.
See?
Yeah.
That's...
We try to keep our clickbait where like, it's actually true usually, or where if there's
a question mark, the answer isn't always no, because there's that thing where like when
news articles do something with a question mark, the answer is always no, but we try
to make it so that it's not always no.
So what I will say about this is that while the video most assuredly contains a reference
to ThioJoe, he's actually offered to provide me with a custom video clip for it, it is
not a ThioJoe video.
It is a legitimate way.
Well, isn't he doing actual tech stuff now?
Like not troll tech stuff?
I don't know.
I think he has another channel, which is like actual tech stuff.
Okay, I hadn't...
ThioJoe tech.
ThioJoe tech.
This is like... actual legitimate stuff.
Serious things.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
It looks like these are real things.
And it's actually got content, Xbox One S unboxing, like he's actually doing real things.
With that said, he definitely hasn't given up on the whole complete nonsense.
Seven hours ago, how to make money without working.
Oh, how to get an Xbox One S for free.
Okay.
Probably my favorite one of his that I've ever looked at, although I haven't looked
at many, is this one.
How to get free cable with all the channels.
It involves taping blank CDs to your coax cable, being careful of the spacing because
like science is great.
Oh god.
So be sure to do it exactly like this.
I mean...
Oh, jeez.
What the hell.
Yeah, probably my favorite thing about his videos is not his videos, but reading the
comments under his videos of people who are like, actually, I have reason to believe this
wouldn't work.
No, really?
Hey, are those the headphones you're looking for?
No, I found them.
Brandon did have them, though.
He had two pairs.
He had one pair signed out and he had the other pair on his desk.
He's like, oh yeah, I noticed I had two, so I put one on my desk.
Just like how that one day when we were all going to compete over that mouse and then
he just noticed that it happened to be plugged into his computer already.
And just took it.
Yeah, the MX Master.
I still have one on my desk because I was going to review it.
It has literally never been plugged in.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
I just, I keep meaning to review it, but I really like...
I actually get that really worrying, feels really cold but hot sensation in my wrist.
If I use almost anything but a Corsair M40 or M45.
Even the additional weight of the M65, even though it's the same shape, it seems like
it might be a combination of the weight and the fact that I have to avoid the snipe button
makes it less comfortable for me.
I haven't had wrist issues since I started using that mouse, so I'm just going to stick
with it.
Good mouse?
I'm like Taran this way.
I actually have literally a pile that has a label next to it that says Linus says do
not touch of M45s on the shelf.
Corsair was kind enough when I was like, yo, I noticed the M45 is discontinued.
This is a big problem for me.
Do you have any left?
They basically gathered up everything that was in the office, put in a box and sent it
to me.
I was like, look, this isn't your best interest because my mouse, whether on purpose or by
accident, appears on camera all the time.
It is in your best interest for it to be your mouse, but I can't have them.
If they don't exist anymore, please send me more, so they didn't.
Let's talk about the Kaby Lake rumors.
There are 10 SKUs detailed in the leak.
The mainstream desktop chips will be slightly delayed to early 2017 with mobile processors
set to arrive as soon as possible.
The mainstream chips will use LGA 1151, the same soccer to Skylake, which is cool.
It is revealed that the mobile chips are already shipping to OEMs.
It is revealed that Kaby Lake X, the high-end desktop, will utilize LGA 2066, the same as
Skylake X.
There's some specific processor spec stuff.
There's a lot of it.
Chip set will change to 200 series.
There will be no compatibility with older generation motherboards.
The Core i7 7700K will be yet another quad-core with a 95-watt TDP compared to 91 watts.
A higher base clock, so 4.2 versus 4.0 gigahertz with boost to 4.5 versus 4.4, plus the presumably
architectural improvements, though this is still not exactly the world's most exciting
thing ever.
The Core i5 7600K will be a quad-core with no hyper-threading, didn't see that one coming.
The 7700 will actually have a significantly lower base clock than the K variant this time
around at 3.6, allegedly, although it'll have a much lower TDP, so they're actually going
mainstream with the not-K one, and they are giving enthusiasts a significant performance
bump for being enthusiasts and buying a K whether they're overclocking or not, although
another way of looking at that is that they are taking away how close the 6700K was to
the 6700 and making it not as close anymore.
So that more people will buy the more expensive one.
Yes.
Because money!
The T chips are going to have 35-watt TDPs, apparently.
I actually just recently worked on a pretty cool what Intel CPU to buy article, so that's
coming out soon, and it looks like the T chips, while they're all going to be within that
same TDP range, are going to be significantly higher clock speeds, are going to be available
with significantly higher clock speeds, although I don't know anything about boost clocks right
now.
It is speculated that we'll see the usual 5-10% per-core performance improvement over
the previous generation, with key features to include 30Hz 5K support on one display,
and 5K 60Hz with dual interfaces, HEVC 10-bit hardware decoding, 4K support for Thunderbolt
3, etc.
So not necessarily the most exciting thing.
Nope, but it'll be faster, and it'll be like the same price as the outgoing chips, so you'll
buy it.
And this is why we need Zen to do really well.
Yeah.
All right.
The Logitech G Pro gaming mouse, designed with and for professional esports players.
I always get a kick out of this, when this is like the headline from a gaming peripheral
company, designed in collaboration with professional esports players, designed for professional
gamers, but Logitech, I actually had a conference call with them about this, I decided not to
do a review, because I am just straight up not qualified to test it.
Well Ed's not doing it?
Ed kind of went, yeah, this is a legitimately good product, by the look of things, but he
doesn't think that it gets a spot on the review calendar right now.
Because it's not like, nothing fundamentally new?
Basically what they've done, is they've taken a shape that professional gamers loved, which
is the, what is it, the G303, or whatever it is, or the G100, something, whatever, they've
taken a shape, a G100S, there we go, that's the one, sorry I was struggling, because it's
all just Gs and numbers.
So they've taken a shape that gamers love, the G100S, and then they've put their PMW
3366 sensor, the same one that's used in the G502, and the G900 inside it.
They've optimized the weight, making it basically a good shape, top of the line sensor, like
final mouse competitor, ultra light mouse, 69 bucks, 69 bucks for the top of the line
sensor, hyper lightweight, I should make a video on like all the best products at $69.
Because actually okay, there's the P400, immature buyer's guide, can you build a computer with
all products that cost $69?
And how good is it?
Could you?
You probably could.
RAM would be doable, drive doable, motherboard, case, mouse, Intel has CPUs in that range,
AMD does too, I mean monitor would be tough, so would GPU, you could get a monitor though,
you could get a video card for $69, it just wouldn't be very good, well same with monitor,
you might actually be able to get a 1080p monitor for $69.
And you could enjoy all the 1080p-ness.
Should I do this?
Should I actually do this?
That's actually like not the worst idea we've ever had, this is a good WAN show, we're like
coming up with some pretty good video ideas here.
So basically this is the mouse, this is like the mystery mouse that a handful of pro gamers
have been actually using to compete and on streams for quite some time, but haven't been
able to talk about.
Looks like the bomb, looks like it's gonna sell a metric butt-ton and kudos to Logitech
for listening to their customers and listening to their pro gamers because as much as I'm
mocking them a little bit here for advertising you guys like to help and co-design my pro
gamers, Logitech actually does seem to take that seriously and they actually do seem to
do it, so you gotta give credit.
When I was there checking out the G900, there was a lot of like, you know, we wanted to
do this thing but then like so-and-so from the sponsored team was like no it has to be
this way and then like they pushed us to do this thing or that thing and these were the
engineers talking where honestly usually when I go talk to different companies, the way
that I get like the insider information that the PR guys don't want to talk about is just
talk to the engineers because they don't really have the greatest filter, usually they just
kind of say stuff which is great, that's perfect for me, so like I don't know, they actually
do seem to care which is good.
All right, global foundries to skip 10nm, we're getting into our rapid-fire topics here,
to skip 10nm and jump straight to 7nm, so they are, I guess that's pretty much all there
is to say about it, they're currently operating on 14nm FinFET and they, in 2015 they acquired
semiconductor manufacturing assets from IBM and is using them to fast track their 7nm
progression.
$69 monitor is possible, I should totally do that build guide, 1080p 19 inch widescreen
from ViewSonic.
Ultimate 69 PC.
I have to spray paint like a blue 6 and a pink 9 on the side of it.
Terrible.
All right, speaking of terrible, Indiegogo campaign, the, oh, da da da da, oh okay, that's
probably it, okay, oh, okay, you're welcome.
All I did was click a link, okay, all right, oh yeah, I'm trying to get one of these, oh
really?
ViLive, the smart shorts that boost your manhood, well, we have actually covered something very
similar to this on the LAN Show before, that one was an insertion device that was for female
Kegel exercises, well, pelvic floor exercises for males are pretty much the same thing,
I don't know if they're still called Kegels, I think they are, but basically yes, you squeeze,
you know, you squeeze there, and they're trying to gamify it to improve sexual performance
and sexual health for men, and you can back this if you want to have one of these.
Blood flow to the region is just good for your overall health, even if it's not for
sexual reasons, just to clarify, yep, I wonder if it makes me look like this guy, so it comes
with an instructional app, a wireless tracker, and sensor embedded shorts, these shorts may
actually improve your sex life, says the Huffington Post, these smart shorts will make your soda
bottle explode, says the Verge, great, someone was having fun, someone was having fun writing
those quotes.
So there you go, anytime, anywhere, vyliv helps you monitor your pelvic fitness.
This part of their video when he's driving the beamer is hilarious, I just have to say
that, they have a whole video and he has this beamer and the lights keep on doing this super
suggestive thing.
It's really funny.
Alright, so there you go, I don't know what a review of that will look like, or how safe
for audience members under 13 it will be, but it can't be any worse than the how to
hide your porn video, so I green lighted that, I guess I'm green lighting this.
Hide your porn video was literally your idea I think.
I think so, but it was like back to the NCIX days.
Very long time ago, but I think it was your idea.
You know what, for all the hate on that video, okay we were talking about how I really like
True Crypt back in the day, and then you brought up the idea.
For all the hate on that video, it's the second hit for how to hide your porn on Google, and
has over a million views now.
And like the like to dislike bar used to be horrible, and now it's bad, but it's not nearly
as horrible.
Oops, I just almost reported our video, that's not what I meant to do.
Don't pull a Colton.
No, I meant to look at the statistics.
Look at that, it gets jumps in views.
That must be where it hit that search ranking.
That's probably it.
I wonder if it coincides with like...
Seven years of time have been spent watching you basically fool around suggestively on
camera.
Seven years of human life.
People really like porn.
And on that note, thank you very much for tuning into this week's Wham Show, we will
see you guys again next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Have fun.
What a show.
Have fun in your boxers.
Have fun in your boxers.
But I never trust myself, and I don't know when I'm actually going to be done.
So like if it's, oh, I go to bed at six and then it's three hours before work.
Yeah, so theoretically if I just don't do this tonight and I do it in the morning it's
all good.
But what if it takes more than three hours?
Exactly.
You can stay up all night, you can't stay up all morning.