Welcome to the WAN Show, guys. The show where every week we have technical difficulties out the wazoo.
In fact, our mic isn't even positioned correctly anymore because we just scooched over on the couch.
Ah! That's okay, Brandon's coming back in to fix it for us.
The audio setup's going perfectly.
Yeah, I know, right?
But it's okay, we have a compressor now, so at least it's excitable about this.
You're like, oh, I'm gross!
This is talking way too loud, but then when he talks quietly you may actually be able to hear him.
Great topics today. Number one is that Corsair and Cherry have co-announced multicolor back...
Julie, multicolor RGB backlit Cherry MX mechanical key switches.
Sweet.
So that's going to be a Corsair exclusive at the beginning at least, but we'll see what happens.
I mean, that's a really funny one to me.
I mean, maybe they... money into developing it or something like that
because there are bigger mechanical keyboard guys than Corsair by... a lot.
But there you go, exclusivity for at least a little while.
DisplayPort 1.3 is being talked about, so we're going to see a bandwidth increase
from something along the lines of 5.4 gigabit per second in DisplayPort 1.2 to...
4K resolution displays and all kinds of other cool stuff.
Up to 8K.
Up to... did I say 4K? Because I meant 8K.
So once again, HDMI...
Our special guest today is Barnacles.
So he's a fellow YouTuber.
I'm just going to go ahead and throw the little lower third on there.
So there's like glasses on him or something.
Edzal made this lower third to make him happy or something.
Alright, what else we got for topics this week?
OCZ was bought out by Toshiba in a deal that was...
Bought everything.
That was worth slightly more than just OCZ buying the Interlinks controller, which is interesting.
Yeah.
And we're going to discuss the possible end of AMD FX processors again.
Possible?
Possible.
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I just said 12.
Okay, okay.
Because it should be 12.
Someone just said Linus11 in chat, so let's just make sure.
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Yeah, Linus12 and my height in inches.
I didn't bring that part up.
I didn't bring that part up at all.
Yeah, well, it was there.
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So let's jump into our first topic of very MX RGB keyboards.
This is something that I'm sure there are at least two people in this room that are excited about.
So the original article that we tracked down here was on hexes.
And look at that.
Looking at that hurts my view is.
Well, oh, it's kind of close.
Somewhat close.
Close-ish.
It hurts.
Yeah, okay, it's wrong.
So guys, the W should probably be more like about here with a slight overlap on the A and the S line right here.
So it should be slightly overlapping the A.
But you know what, it's okay because the news is good enough that I'm willing to let this one slide.
I think it's all good.
So we're going to be looking at individual RGB LED lighting inside every single key switch.
Now, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment.
And I'm going to talk about what could be negative about this.
Okay.
I've already run into quite a few situations with individually backlit Cherry MX keyboards that have a single backlight go out.
And then all of a sudden the keyboard is now useless.
Now think about this in terms of RMA rates.
Something with a defective than 1% is pretty darn good.
That's really, really good.
So you look at PS4.
Okay, so they had the HDMI issue, but then they came out and they're like, okay, well, hold on a second.
It's only like 0.4% of units, which is actually, which is actually good.
Really solid.
That's solid.
Okay.
So a typical keyboard has 104 keys, meaning it will have approximately 100 backlights.
And then if we go RGB on every keyboard, what just happened?
That means every 100 backlights ish, which means the chance of something being wrong with your keyboard is extremely high.
Now you could go, okay, well, hold on.
But the way that they do it is different.
They do it in zones or across the whole keyboard with a few LEDs below and then a diffuser layer.
So maybe this reduces.
If there's three LEDs, you lose a third of your possible colors.
What if you lose two of your LEDs?
I would like to say that that was not me.
What just happened?
But then you can't maybe have your favorite color.
But then, okay, are you willing to RMA a keyboard once if it means you can have RGB backlight?
If you were like, okay, well, there's a good chance I'm just going to have to...
Like in comparison to RB?
In comparison to just not having any customization.
Any backlighting at all?
Yeah, just single color.
Like, are you willing to take that risk?
It's like, I'm going to pay a bunch extra.
It might be defective, but damn it, I want it.
I want that RGB backlighting.
Oh, you mean when you're buying?
Yeah, when you're making the decision to buy it.
That was a weird way of asking that question.
Because you said, would you be willing to RMA your keyboard?
And I was like, yeah.
Yeah, it's okay.
So would you be willing to take the risk of getting a defective one if that meant that
you could have this awesome new feature?
There's going to be very many defective ones.
So yes, probably.
Okay, all right.
So it's coming in a variety of key switch flavors.
I kind of freaked out because when I saw the Corsair press announcement, they only had
this one.
I sent like the most digital email ever to our Corsair PR contact.
I was like, dude, hey.
Did you send them that survey thing?
Yeah, I did.
I sent it.
I sent it.
So there was there was a thing on board subreddit that switch and like red was like tiny.
The problem with that, though, is it's it's really it's a specific audience.
It's a small sample size.
And it's a specific audience because Cherry MX Reds are marketed to gamers.
I don't think gamers are sitting around in our mechanical keyboards.
There's definitely there's definitely is it is.
And they voted for Cherry MX Red.
And it's not a yeah, yeah, it's a good point.
And it's not a it's yeah, it's not a broad audience and it's not a perfect survey.
And I saw this image, too.
And I was like, what?
That's the only one clear.
So how would the transparent cases how the LEDs are going to anyway, I was freaking out.
But everything's good.
So we're going to see it integrated on different key switch types.
It is going to be Corsair exclusive for an undisclosed period of time, which I'm OK with
because just Corsair might not be as big of a player
in keyboards as they are in something like memory or power supplies.
I don't have it.
It's about their mechanical keyboards.
K70 is pretty sweet.
With everyone in the audience.
Huge fan of K60.
Yeah. Oh, I wasn't a big fan of the K60 either.
Cherry MX Red only, which neither of us are no particularly fond of.
And it had some issues with BIOS detection.
So that's also the K70 and they have additional switch types.
You know, I talked to Corsair about it, and this was really interesting because they were like,
I was like, OK, well, hold on with the RGB ones.
You guys are going to have like switches types, right?
OK, Linus, think about this.
OK, we've got different bodies, right?
Some people got big bodies, slim bodies, sexy bodies, keyboard bodies.
Sorry. So they have different keyboard layouts.
104 key. They got the short one.
That's the K65, I think something like that.
They've got the K.
Then they got.
Regional.
Keep going.
Then they have regional differences.
So they're going to have different layouts.
Then they've got key switches.
Keyboard companies start adding backlight colors.
And then all of a sudden, like what is essentially like a keyboard.
And you've got, you know, 300 SKUs.
So I'm like, OK, so you're going to have like version and the not RGB version,
and you're going to have the brown and the black and the red and the green and the clear.
I don't know. You don't need all those.
They're not all those. They're only doing it on four.
So they wouldn't have green and clear.
But the point is that you're going to end up with a lot of SKUs.
And I understand why we don't necessarily get to have our cake and eat it, too.
So we're going to see what SKUs they come out with.
We are definitely having a look at this at CES.
I don't know if I told you this, but we are first press booking.
Sweet.
Nice. You probably saw my note.
So we are.
Oh, and yes, I will.
Yeah. So this was this was this was on Luke's notes for for this, actually.
I'm just going to screen here.
Check this out.
So control plus plus.
OK, I'm sure Linus will check these at CES grumble.
And I'm totally going to send him to like, I don't know, Fantex at the same time.
Mind you, they may have some cool stuff on display.
They reached out to me today, so I'll I'll I'll I'll set that up with you.
So we got to get samples. I want to see these.
I'm definitely doing the course.
I asked Corsair, I was like, whatever demo one you guys are showing off at the show.
Can I just like take it after the show?
We'll do like we'll do like really nice glam footage of it and everything.
We just want to play with it.
And. Oh, he's like, yeah, that one is pretty Frankenstein.
It's going to have like exactly what I want.
It's going to have like a modded like.
Hand modded it.
Speaking of hand modded.
The G-Sync monitor has arrived, which I have to play games on yet, but I'm going to this weekend for sure.
I've seen a whole bunch of spam in the chat about your G-Sync thing.
Yeah, I'm going to this weekend for sure.
And the G-Sync monitor is so.
Like it is it is the most one of the most engineering sample things that I have ever gotten that is unlisted.
Please change that to public.
It is one of the most engineering sample things I've ever received.
It says prototype on a sticker on the back.
OK, like it's an ASUS monitor and it's like prototype on the back and then on the back.
And it has like it has like an NVIDIA vinyl wrap on it that's obviously designed for show use.
Like it wouldn't send that to a reviewer.
Reviewers don't care what the back looks like.
And then you look at the bottom of it.
Inputs like the DVI and HDMI inputs are just gone like the holes are there,
but they just rip them out because it only supports G-Sync over DisplayPort.
And then the power plug is just gone.
And it comes with like this random like huge power brick.
DC jack in the middle of the AC like.
Well, I'm just like, wow, that's cool.
I love it.
Apparently, we're dropping a few frames. Not sure what the deal is with that, but hopefully you guys can can endure.
Yeah, it's not it's not a ton. It's not too many.
All right. So let's move on to our next topic here. This was actually something talked about a little while ago.
So let's go ahead and see here.
So the article here is from legit reviews and it's ECS to begin making ASUS motherboards now.
OK, that might sound a lot crazier than it actually is.
So what's up? What's up?
We're lagging a little bit. We're good. OK, so that might actually sound a lot crazier than it actually is,
because something a lot of people don't know about ECS is that they are or at least they were not that long ago,
still considered a tier one manufacturer, not because they're a business like their retail ECS board sold particularly well,
or frankly, were particularly good, but because as far as just contract manufacturing goes, there was nothing wrong with ECS.
They know how to manufacture something and put it in a box for you and produce it.
So so they would do a lot of OEM manufacturing where their retail branded stuff just really wasn't that important.
So what? Oh, OK, whatever.
Yes, we know it's old news, but I just wanted to clarify, because some people were kind of freaking out because holy cow,
ASUS's quality is going to go down.
ASUS's engineering will still the only reason for them to do this is just that they won't extend the.
So I don't know if you guys know this, but ASUS and Pegatron used to be the same company and they split, whereas ASUS is the branding and engineering and marketing.
Pegatron was a spin on pure manufacturing.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So Pegatron wants to be able to take business from otherwise might be a ASUS competitor.
And they don't want to give ASUS a bunch of money so they can manufacture through Pegatron and then ASUS wants to manufacture through Pegatron and someone else.
But then MSI and all the history there are not going to want to manufacture anything for ASUS.
That's not going to happen.
So it looks like ECS with their much weaker retail business.
And of course, Gigabyte and MSI do.
So that's where all of that comes.
Still kind of surprised that we see a lot of stuff.
I love this chat. I'm paid by Nvidia.
Sure. For what?
I don't know. I'm paid by Nvidia.
Has Nvidia ever given us money?
No.
Actually, the one time Nvidia gave us money, this is kind of a funny story.
Yeah, yeah. The one time Nvidia gave us money.
Oh, no, they did. They ran some pre-rolls.
But it wasn't very much.
The one time Nvidia had given us money was actually when we got our sample of GTX 780.
And it came with import duty.
And they told me they'd reimburse me.
And it took them like three months.
And they...
...cash because they couldn't figure out how to send me money because I'm not properly in their system.
Well, no, because you had to spend that much money to get that much money.
Yes.
That's like saying you went to the casino with 20 bucks and came out with 20 bucks and you made $20.
Yes.
So Nvidia gives us money.
Alright, let's go ahead and...
Oh, man, my thing is like super zoomed in now.
We can do a really quick topic?
Yeah, let's do a quick one.
There's a whole bunch of them.
We have a whole lot of those.
And I also released information about two other models.
That's awesome because I actually thought...
...the released information...
...one of which is a...
...which is not the UltraSharp...
...class monitor that the...
...but it's still a 4K model and it's in 28 inches.
That'll be $1,000.
I'm actually not interested in that one at all.
If I'm going to drop $1,000 on a monitor, then I'm going to drop $1,400 on one that doesn't...
I don't think it'll suck, but it won't be UltraSharp.
It's TN.
Is it TN?
Didn't you say it was TN?
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Might not be TN.
All I knew was that it wasn't an UltraSharp.
Oh, okay.
I thought you had told me it was TN.
Okay, if it's not TN, then maybe we can still talk.
I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it's not UltraSharp.
Because if it was like a TN $1,000 monitor, then that's just ridiculous.
I mean, if it's VA or something, then we'll talk.
And then there's a 32 inch model that is still an UltraSharp model, which is $3,500.
But like, yeah, it's a 32 inch 4K.
Oh, I'm so excited.
It's been so long since Dell has flexed their muscles in terms of, you know, leading the
market in monitors.
And I'm really, really excited about this.
So this was posted by YouBetterNot on the forum.
And honestly, the 24 inch at $1,400, it makes sense that that's the one that they leaked
and started talking about, because that's the one that I'm extremely excited about.
It's still too much.
I'm not buying in.
But it's in that range where I'll see people start doing it.
And like, it's in the range where maybe we can start getting 4K benchmarks sooner than
we thought we might be.
Like, maybe not this monitor, but there's probably going to be competitors and stuff.
Because it's been kind of hilarious for a while, where it's just like, monitors have
gone from being valuable and important to just being this totally commodity, just like
crappy, stupid thing.
It wasn't that long ago, people invested in, like, gamers invested in high end monitors.
Now, I think that someone somewhere expected $3,000 plus dollars to be that thing again.
But that was never going to happen.
I mean, I remember having a conversation with AMD where they were saying that 9EX is designed
for 4K.
And, you know, we think that someone buying this card will buy a 4K monitor.
I was like, well, no, that card and then they'll run it on their 2.5K monitor until they can
afford a 4K monitor.
And I think a thousand plus or minus is that magic price point where the guy with the crazy
desk PC that has a thousand liquid cooling in it, we do it.
Yeah, it's, I'm not going to see too many of these in build logs, except for like the
crazy ones.
Yeah.
But at least it'll show up in a build log.
I still haven't seen a build log with.
I love the PC master race idea, edit slash PC master race, whatever.
The that goes on a lot there is not really a thing too much.
I okay.
Hold on.
I don't necessarily agree with that because I think that the availability is going to
be the option.
Yes, we're going to have an option way sooner than the console guys.
The only thing I don't like in it is the I'm over here running 4K while you run your 720p.
Well, no, no, you're probably not.
That's like saying I'm over here running Oculus.
You're not yet.
It's going to be amazing.
Actually there yet.
Yeah.
But like it's coming.
We will have the option.
That is very cool.
Yeah.
All about the option.
Oh, it has a built in card reader.
Hooray.
I actually kind of like that.
There doesn't seem to be any word on it will support a single DisplayPort cable driving
the entire thing.
But to be clear, guys, point three and cable, but the so far the issues and the sharp models
require two cables and then they're using fee split
as having the whole panel be one thing.
So this one, so it says it has HDMI in DisplayPort and mini DisplayPort inputs.
And I hope that with DisplayPort and mini DisplayPort, all right, let's do maybe one
more quick one and then we'll bring on a barnacles.
Sure.
Uh, what quick one do you want to do console sales holes?
Well particularly for, so PS four beat the fastest selling console in the UK, which used
to be the PSP at 185,048 hours and they got 250 which is beast.
And that was 66% higher than Xbox one and a hundred thousand.
I fully, I mean when I was, when I was, I fully didn't expect the PS four to be beating
it.
I was, I was unsure.
And then that scale is insane.
Oh God.
PSP did in the UK, in the UK, in the UK, just to be clear, we're talking UK numbers.
It has sold more than Wii U lifetime.
That number being at 2.1 million units as of December 1st.
Again in the UK, such a, such a sad thing, such a very sad thing.
Pretty pretty ridiculous.
I don't know if that 2.1 million unit one is as of UK.
I mean the thing about the thing about the PlayStation four is that it actually represents
a fairly compelling value.
I mean we're not huge console gamers by any stretch of the imagination at all.
I know, but, but we did our console comparison and we did play around with the image quality
of a PC versus Xbox one versus PS four versus.
It was that computer that we had was upgradable.
Yeah.
Oh, I mean there's all the usual PC and there's all the usual console arguments.
Well okay, but I can get resistance or okay, but I can just put a disc in it and I can
sit down and I can play for the download after you wait for the download in the pad.
It's amazing how much more like PC gaming consoles becoming all
We're doing those image quality compares to be like, all right, we're going to move to
the next console.
Oh, I have to wait for huge download.
Oh, no way.
Absolutely brilliant.
So, Oh my goodness.
I didn't change the title of the show when show live now.
That's probably, Oh, and I'm playing Assassin's Creed apparently, which I'm not playing.
All right, so let's go ahead and let's bring in Barnacles.
Shall we?
All right.
Awesome.
It looks like he's ready to go.
I'm going to go ahead and change over our lower third here.
Boom.
Oh, he told me that the title was wrong.
Hi Barnacles.
Welcome to the show.
Why don't you take just a moment here and explain to the, to the nice viewers what exactly
you do and how they can find you if they like your appearance on the show today and they
actually want to hear you say more things, but no pressure.
I've been a software developer at Microsoft for 15 years.
That's my official day job.
Also dabbled in some offline development with Opulent Studios, a little side company I have
develops for Windows Phone, but my hobby and you know what I, what I'm really passionate
about is creating YouTube videos.
So I've been doing that for about two years now.
I've been having a hell of a time.
But huge tech enthusiast.
If you guys don't know who I am, go ahead and check me out.
I'm over at barnerd.com like, you know, a barn where you put your cows and your horses
and nerd will figure that one out.
I have a lot of fun with a YouTube thing.
It's it's just, you know, amazing the people that you find online and the people encounter,
especially like Linus and slick here.
I mean, uh, there's a hell of a lot of nerds out there and I'm honored to be on the show
guys.
Cool.
Well, welcome.
I think, uh, probably the first thing for us to do is kick off with our first.
So that is display port 1.3 coming.
So let's go ahead and show the nice, uh, the nice viewers what we got here.
This was posted by CDNA on the forum who says, I just came across this article.
The original article is from Bryce.
So we're going to go ahead and make sure we're giving credit where credit is due here.
Boom.
But there's a lot of extremely exciting stuff to share about display port 1.3 but because
slick has it on his screen and I have mine covered up by this article, he's going to
go ahead and tell you the bullet points here.
So a lot of this is speculation and rumor, yada yada yada, but it's maybe coming in quarter
two of 2014.
You're able to push 8K resolutions and 3D 4K.
There's going to be some limits in like cable size and you might need repeaters if you want
to cable length to be clear, sorry, and you might need repeaters if you want to go very
far at all.
And they're unknown if it's a connector.
So there's a few things going around there, but we're seeing bit rates going up for four,
5.4 gigabits per second in display port 1.2.
Now we're in display port 1.3 so it's 8.1 gigabits per second, which is pretty beast.
And notice that unlike 1.1, 2.2 where we saw like a doubling in performance isn't quite
a doubling and that's because we might be getting close to the limits of copper bandwidth
and you had something to show for that?
Nope, not really.
You had the link to Larry's USB cable thing.
Oh, let me find that.
Okay.
So Barna, please, let's hear your take on why is HTMI even a thing anymore?
Like why?
So we've got royalty free display port.
I heard him say he doesn't care about the display port thing.
I don't have a display port on my fancy new projector and I don't even have a 4K display yet.
So it's like 8K isn't terribly useful to me at this point.
It might become relevant, but I find it, you know, funny that people are already speculating
about the next version of display port being able to support 8K when it's like, I can't
even buy a 4K screen right now without like emptying my wallet and doing, you know, a
broke dance.
Okay.
Well, let's talk about this then.
Let's talk about not necessarily.
...fearier and crappy HTMI is because HTMI is holding us back now, whereas display port
has been capable of the things that we...
Let's say you can't afford a 4K display.
Can you...
...and a half K displays that are like 300 bucks?
Oh, absolutely.
I got one sitting right in front of me.
Right.
...handled 1080, 60P, whereas display port has been able to handle that and for a long
time now.
I think the thing that I am happy about here is the fact that display port is still pushing
... is also still coming, not released yet and it pushed...
It's like, okay, 4K 60P and that is it.
That is all.
Don't worry about the future.
We'll have HTMI 6 or something.
We're not sure what to do.
Well, no, I think that's...
I think that, you know, some serious limitations, but for me personally, I mean, where HTMI
isn't a factor that I can use, you know, I usually just revert back over to DVA because
it's usually on my computer.
It's not like my entertainment systems 4K yet.
And also I just like the compatibility of it.
I mean, not all my devices have display port on it.
I mean, it's actually kind of a rarity on some of the stuff.
I think once it becomes more extreme and everything has it, you know, it'll be something that
I accept a little bit more, but chances are when they come out the next version, it's
just going to probably have a different connector on it too.
Hopefully make a different connector.
I'm getting sick of that with the whole USB thing.
Yeah.
I hope not too.
I mean, upper cable, I would hope it's still the same connector.
The only time I, the only reason I can see for them to move to a different connector
would be if they want it to not be interoperable.
Like if they move to an optical cable or something like that, or if they have to have,
you know, an active cable, they need a new connector that has a different connector.
The reason why they think it might be a different connector is because to get on these lengths,
they might need a different connector.
With that said, we've got Thunderbolt 20 gigabit, and those are active cables that don't necessarily
require a different connector, but it was probably designed for, it's hard to say.
It's still like maybe coming in Q2 2014 thing here is rumors, pretty, I'll tell you one
thing.
If the, if the rumors true and they actually do produce the 8k technology and we actually
start seeing some 8k native panels coming out, all it can do is push down the cost of
4k.
And I'm all for that.
I'm all for that.
If they want, I mean, as long as it drives 4k down into a realm where now I can go get
a 4k projector and it doesn't cost $20,000.
Hey, rock on.
I'm happy.
You know, it's a really good point you're making about 4k projector because 4k is one
of those things where for the desktop PC, I feel like it, because you can really use
the extra real estate and the extra pixel perfect clarity on text.
Really because I find for 2560 by six, two X anti-aliasing on it, even maybe four X you're
having a fantastic gaming experience.
Someone says 1440p is possible with HDMI.
Yeah.
30 frames per second.
Good.
Um, okay, so whatever.
Gaming experience is great at 25, 1600.
So I don't necessarily see the, from a pure gaming perspective, but to me it's about text
and about, and, and, and be able to manage them and move them around.
Um, I also see the value on a projector where you're going to have an extremely large display
and extra detail is going to be very, very helpful.
Where
Absolutely.
Projector, a 92 inch screen and within three feet of it at 1080p, I can change in every
pixel.
I mean.
Yes.
I can tell you, even at that experience with when I'm standing 12 feet away, I can't make
out individual pixels and I got 2015 vision.
So it's not like I'm blind, but, uh, you know, so it's like when this, when, when eight K
comes out, it's like, yeah, that'll be awesome.
If I, you know, can build that fancy and I wanted with a 300 inch screen then yeah, bring
it on.
But four K definitely, if I had a four K 46 inch screen sitting in front of me, instead
of a 1080p panel, it would be huge, especially for software development, because then I could
essentially split my screen into four quadrants and still have that same resolution and still
see that.
Yeah.
That's going to be frigging awesome.
I'm super excited for that.
Um, okay, sorry, I've guys, I've, I've, I've got this now.
This is the, uh, this is the amazing USB cable that can, yeah, I know that sounds muted.
Oh, I got to see this.
Yeah.
This, this is like a miracle, like a band or something.
It's the light speed USB cable.
So this is light speed.
Yeah.
So, okay.
I mean, this, this text underneath here is kind of awesome.
Larry president of light harmonic is a self-described tube lover and vinyl file, which may seem
odd since he's the founder of our all digital company.
You may be surprised therefore to find out that before he worked as the executive vice
president of a leading USB integrated circuit company.
Don't bother telling us who it is.
I guess it doesn't matter.
Oh, actually, actually wait, that would be really important.
He and his team of over 150 electronic engineers, something, something, something USB to audio
class, standard developed, DSP, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Why is this even here?
Okay.
So he's holding the cable now.
So this is
as like a, it's coiled up, it's, he's holding it.
Okay.
No, I want to show you the really special one.
So this USB cable, check this out.
Okay.
So they separate data.
Okay.
See this, they actually separate data and power because you know, the interference gives
the light speed, USB cable, 20 times the bandwidth of USB 2.0, 10 gigabits per second
bandwidth is twice as fast as USB 3.
Additionally, it's two in one architecture, physically separate system, power like preventing
disturbing the digital signal.
The result, a bit perfect USB cable.
Obvious question I have is just improve upon the shielding.
I mean, why can't I just half thick that's just filled with, why do I have to have it
spaced out that far?
Why do they need more shielding?
I don't know.
We're dealing with voltage.
I mean, I honestly don't know how it could make any difference, but rated bandwidth.
Measure 10 gigabit per second rated bandwidth on a USB 2.0 cable.
And like, I love how they're comparing, they're comparing the rated bandwidth with the USB
2.0 standard, not with whatever tests to measure their bandwidth on their cable, putting a
USB 2.0, seeing what that's capable of, because I suspect that it's going to have no impact
whatsoever because that's not excellent.
Selling snake oil here, guys.
I mean, seriously, look, the wires are basically touching each other connector and they're
separated three inches out.
I know I'm going to offend the hell out of audio files right now, but you know, the audio
files are like, Oh my God, if you spend a thousand optical cable, it'll have no digital
jitter and you won't be able to hear the photons, you know, with that 126,000 mile
per second or whatever boundary, blah, dee, blah, dee, blah.
No, I think this is that same thing.
Yeah, your cable looks awesome.
People are going to look at it and go, Oh my God, what does that do for you?
Okay.
This is, this is one of the, uh, this is one of Edzell's favorite things.
Okay.
So get this.
We're gonna, we're gonna, I feel bad because audio files are nice people, but, um, this
review, I am too.
I've got 10 pairs of headphones.
I mean, ranging like way up over a thousand dollars and I honestly sometimes can't tell
the difference.
I mean, to be clear guys, audio file means you love audio.
It doesn't mean that you have to be a jerk about it.
Okay.
So this and you speaker cables.
Okay.
So these are super fancy cables.
I think they're like hundreds or thousands of dollars, something ridiculous like that.
And this is a quote from the review.
In extended listening sessions, I found the cable's greatest strength to be it's PRT simply
put these are very danceable cables music playing through them results in the proverbial
foot tapping scene with the neater move, great swing and pace.
These cables smack that right on the nose.
Big time in this area, they're simply, they are simply way better than anything else I
have heard prior to their addition danceable cables, dude, I want to buy them.
I'll be reviewing those next week, guys.
I've got someone asking what IEMs I'm wearing.
These are IE 80s.
I'm actually going to have a review coming of them shortly.
I'm super like them.
So get it more excited about it.
Make it look like you need a guitar.
I love these custom one pros.
I just think the danceable enough.
Well, you know what?
These cables, they were danceable and then they got like tangled in my feet and I fell.
Remember, copper is no good anymore.
They didn't even bother to put any money into manufacturing.
Not even interested unless it's pure silver copper just doesn't work.
All right.
So you might have a, you might have a little contribution to make to this interesting topic.
Let's go ahead and screen share here.
Flying hacker contraption hunts other drones, turns them into zombies slick.
Do you want to, do you want to sort of kick us off on this one?
I thought this was fantastic and there's, there's, there's different ways of looking
at this because it would have happened no matter what.
So the guy that did it released all of his stuff.
So everyone knows how it happened and can start building protection.
So that's one way to do it in a, so like, so you fly your drone, which has a USB battery
pack and a little, like wifi antenna, grab wifi networks easily and you fly it near another
drone and then attack it, disconnect other user, connect and then steal the drone, which
is kind of incredible.
And with all the stuff going around about the new shipping drone and Amazon's drones
and just people generally being more and more interested, it's, it's interesting.
Because there's like pretty much no security on them right now because who would have really
thought that would be a huge issue.
But then now, like I just said with Amazon, yada yada, it is becoming a huge issue.
And it's, it's, it's kind of incredible how well this.
He does a, he does a demo of it, so I'm going to go up the, uh, the Ars Technica article
again here.
Let me see if they have the video embedded in it.
Yep, they do.
So I'm just going to skip ahead a little bit here, but I'll walk you through sort of the
process.
So there might be some, I don't, there's no sound.
So here he is talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking.
Oh, is the demo.
I thought the demo was at the end.
No, it's, it's going to be great.
Here he is.
Okay.
So he grabs, he grabs the drone.
Okay.
I think he shows what he puts on it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
All right.
So he's talking about, I think it's a raspberry pilot.
There we go.
A little bit.
Go back a little bit.
Here we go.
Okay.
So he has another drone in the room.
So to be clear, guys, this is a Para AR drone.
This is just a consumer grade fun device.
So I don't think we're a drone that gets approved for commercial, have any protection on it
whatsoever.
Basically what he does is he's, he's running, uh, he's running this right here.
So when he first finds it disconnects the user, connects himself and then takes over.
And then he takes over his drone cause it has a camera.
So what do you think about it, Barnacles?
Oh my God.
Don't even get me started.
Actually go ahead and get me started.
I actually have a Para AR drone and I absolutely love it.
It's really cool.
is it has, it just connects up to your wifi network and all of the data and commands are
just transported over that network.
So all he's doing with their as very pie is just basically disconnecting it from one wireless
network, connecting it to his and then going, Hey, I'm the controller.
Follow me.
And uh, it's funny cause it reminds me of old RC technology, really into RC airplanes
and helicopters.
And I remember the number one carnal rule was you always had to check in your crystal,
which was the frequency you're operating on because if you made the complete boner of
pulling out your controller and putting the wrong crystal in it, all of a sudden you're
flying some other dude's plane.
And so this is kind of like the more high tech version of just, you know, defeating
this with a little bit of encryption.
But it still just cracks me up that, you know, it took somebody just to figure out, wait
a second, all these devices.
And it's not just those drones.
Think about it.
Things like the Belkin WeMo switches and stuff like that.
A lot of stuff operates on wireless networks and every single one of them has to be able
to issue and connect to another network.
So I'm going to see this, this, this now is happening with drones.
You wait, this is going to be happening with every single 802.11 connected device.
Yep.
Oh yeah.
And it's probably easier just to shoot them down with BB guns.
That too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That I'm actually kind of scared about, but I think we'll talk about it later because
of bullet drop and stuff, but yeah, my, my thing about this was, I think it didn't happen
into is there, there, there wasn't a ton, like you couldn't just go fly around the city
and find someone else with an AR drone easily.
I think it happened more because of all the announcements of like that, that company in
China that wants to do shipment drones and Amazon that wants to do shipment drones and
all the different don't want to do shipment drones and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
The other thing that kind of raises a concern too, is you just assume that like military
and commercial aircraft will have a lot more protection.
Well, that might be the truth now, but before this was considered a threat, who knows how
many, you know, other stuff that's in operation, just doesn't have any encryption or anything
because there was, there's really not a president for it.
This guy released all of this stuff online and everyone can see it working, all that
kind of stuff, but how many people developed him and kept it secret.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the other thing is look how cheap it is to do.
I mean, I think including the drone, it's 400 bucks.
It's less than $200 for the hardware to outfit your drone to do this.
And the other thing is think about the other applications.
Don't just go take over other drones, go take over and jam other people's networks.
You know, next to the cost, it might be by somebody's pair of AR drone hanging outside
your building.
Yeah.
That, giving people that idea.
Absolutely.
Anytime.
So this is an AR drone that I think that YouTube's implementation of Google Plus comments versus
the old YouTube comments was a secret and excellent and for the community and for creators
in every possible way.
Does that sound about right?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That's exactly what that means.
All right.
So this is an article from PCMag.com.
YouTube admits Google Plus comment integration boosted spam.
I mean, that's like a farmer admitting that he probably shoveled horse poo at some point.
It's the most obvious thing in the world, but at least they're acknowledging it.
What's your take on what they did and then what they've done to improve it so far?
All right.
Well, in the beginning, the thing that really perplexed me was how am I getting so much
spam in my comments?
Like, Hey, Barnacles, you're awesome or Barnacles, Hey, awesome job and stuff.
Why are those the spam comments?
It seemed like the system was broken to begin with.
Yeah.
And then after that we started, but he knows Bob now I'm sure basis, but you know, then
he starts spamming across the internet.
Of course they can't put that to a stop, but the one thing I, if there's one good thing
to come out of it and I'm actually like playing devil's advocate to myself, like trolls, personally
trolls actually entertain me.
Um, they're a large panel and coming up and I have a fun beating them down, but at the
same time, where did all the trolls go?
Google Plus came into play and now I can't find my trolls there.
Everybody's kind of being like nice and I don't know, it makes it so hard to sleep at
night.
Honestly, the thing that's driven me craziest is whenever you go to a video and then all
the top comments are just like some dude and his buddies talking on Google Plus about like
whatever, because he posted a video and then their person like, I don't want to, what?
I don't want to read this.
And the thing that bothers me most I think is the fact that Google is so high above everyone
else.
The people who are on the Google Plus posting of the video, so my post and then the comments
that are under that because of people happen to use Google Plus and happened are getting
a much higher priority than anything else, even if they're totally irrelevant to do with
anything because this is Google's way of just cramming Google Plus down our throats.
I don't like Google Plus.
I don't find it easy to use.
Reason why I would ask anyone else to use it.
This is something that I'll, I'll be mentioning in my Nexus five review, but again, cramming
Google Plus down my throat.
Where are my Twitter notifications, Google?
My Twitter notification settings just don't work.
Really?
Yeah.
Comes through every time.
No, it was a failure on their part just to try to compete with Facebook and everything
and utter failure.
So what better way to force it down your throat and turn it into success than to take the
one thing you can't live without.
That's exactly what they did.
I think the thing that's most baffling to me is the fact that the implementation was
so stupid.
I mean, the fact that they would allow people to copy paste entire
... their limit.
Why were features coming on like daily?
That was the other thing I didn't get is like, I don't know what their development cycle
is like that over there, but being a software developer myself, usually have things like
sprints and stuff where it's like you figure stuff out for a little bit before you go and
cram it down people's throats.
I was literally logging into YouTube every day and seeing a new feature.
Like they didn't even boil for feature B and feature C. And sometimes it was changes to
the same feature within.
That's not cool.
I mean, they're basically turned their entire YouTube, like the largest media outlet on
the planet into a beta testing pit.
It's kind of been like that.
Yeah, but they've never really operated at that scale.
I didn't think, I mean, YouTube's kind of holding a whole different scale.
It's like, you can choose not to use Google.
It's like, here's a new layout.
Boom.
Yeah.
Might not work for people.
Yeah, hey, everybody that works so hard to make their channels look cool, take away.
Yeah.
That's still frustrating to me.
We have like really cool channel designs, particularly for Tech Quick.
Our channel the other day, she was like, this doesn't look very good.
And then she was looking at someone else's and she was like, this one looks a lot better.
The layout's a lot better.
And I'm like, oh, are you subscribed to that one?
And she's like, no.
And I'm like, yeah, when you're subscribed, instead of actually seeing big, it's like
a little tiny video, what to watch next.
And then it's like crap that you already watched.
It's like, thanks for that, I guess.
Well, it's like, I mean, I feel like I worked a year to get a feature turned on and then
everybody just gets it.
And then I, you know, get another feature turned on.
Everybody gets it now.
It's like, it just, I don't know, it kind of invalidates your work a little bit.
Yeah.
Try not, try not to sound too snobbish.
Yeah.
You work so hard to get those things unlocked.
And it's like, you know, it's like you'd be on X, unlock every, we're just going to
unlock all the achievements by default for everybody.
Yeah.
It's like, okay, you might've unlocked the dog achievement in like Call of Duty.
The new game is just going to have dogs for all.
Exactly.
It's still the number one selling game in the UK.
One of the articles that's at the top of the charts, Call of Duty ghosts or whatever this
stupid thing is called.
Okay.
So speaking, speaking of the terrible spam filtration, let's go screen for a minute here.
I just pulled up and I've actually complaining to me that I was deleted when they were legitimate
comments questioning something about what I was doing or they were just comments Linus,
why am I blocked from your channel?
Why are you deleting my comments?
Okay.
Automatic spam delete detection, which I actually can't control.
Okay.
So here's one.
That's a link to a store.
So that might be spam one complaining about how much it costs.
That's not spam saying too bad Germany has had this a long time.
The U S has always last to get it.
How is that spam?
There was a modder selling the same thing years ago.
Useful contribute contribution station people's replies.
Look at this.
Isn't this ridiculous?
None of this is spam.
You should know it's so broken.
I actually it's horrible, man.
I got, I got a comment the other day that just said barnacles.
I hope you're feeling better.
How the hell is that spam?
That's okay.
To prove it.
And then I don't have a reply button that, I mean, you need to be able to reply.
Why can you only reply to some people, not others?
I don't get that.
That drives me crazy.
Look at this.
I think that's if people post on Google plus, you can reply to them.
Yep.
Yep.
It's driving me crazy because people will ask me questions, not realizing I can't answer
them.
Yeah, exactly.
That's my problem too.
They're like, well, Hey, what graphics card would you recommend buying that reply button?
Maybe I'd give you a suggestion.
Probably not though.
Yeah.
So there's so 41 comments marked as spam out of which probably two of them might be spam.
Fourteen comments marked as spam.
Yeah.
Brilliant.
I hope they're not using the same spam filters they are on the, because if so, you're missing
out on a lot of stuff.
So I have a setting to just turn it off because I don't want it.
You do have a setting where you, did you see, did you see the setting on your social?
Yeah.
I added a bunch of stuff under there and it didn't work.
Like half the stuff still got through.
I was like, okay, I just give up.
Block all the help.
Like don't block any of the stuff.
Don't block Bob.
Yeah.
Don't block Bob because whatever.
Yeah.
I love how they release this thing.
They're like, Oh yeah, we're, we're adding a better out ski art and they're like, go
check out some YouTube video.
It's like upvote Bob.
How hard is it to filter ASCII art?
Oh my character over 128 and we're golden.
It's not that hard folks.
And the other thing too is the way that their spam filter is by word.
I was like, okay, well can I, can I, can I enter the tank into the spam?
Nope.
Bob's army.
No, what you can do, I did not filter Bob.
And I'm not going to filter Bob.
Why would I filter the word Bob?
Some really talking about some Bob.
So I don't want to do that.
I know he might be your uncle.
That was, that was like your, that was around your level.
Terrible.
Love it.
All right.
Well, let's do a Twitter blitz for a barnacles here.
Guys, if you have any questions for barnacles, uh, hit up the at Linus tech Twitter handle
that one right there.
And we're going to have him blitz through them for you.
So I should probably go here and uh, put that there and go ahead and do the Twitter.
All right.
Have you done any videos on crossfire versus SLI?
Not really actually on the nexus five Twitter notifications work fine, but I don't get thousands
every day.
Yeah.
Some of them don't come through.
Um, some of them do.
So people that I follow, I see my men, but I'm not getting my mentions from anyone that
I don't follow.
So that's pretty interesting to me.
I'm looking to get my first mechanical keyboard.
I'm about to spend very max 200.
I would recommend waiting maybe a little bit or I heard the RGB ones aren't coming for
a while.
Oh, your first board seriously.
And like very max 200 Linus.
Oh my God.
Well, not my first one.
He's talking about someone on Twitter, um, and it's 200 bucks max for a mechanical keyboard
includes like, uh, Jonathan, we'll be talking about drones a little bit more later.
Well, as far as keyboards, I, I have words and they're all DOS keyboard.
Really?
I've used quite a few different keyboards with mechanical switches and they're all,
they're all found any, I would say are bad.
Logan talking about apparently you're getting an Indian burn.
Oh.
I've been, uh, I've been posting links to his old tiger direct videos.
Did you see the, the standup comedy one a tiger?
I told him I'd stop doing it, but I'm just going to do it.
Tiger band.
Logan, I'll film the Indian burn.
If you're watching this, I will.
I want to see a video of him just full on tackle you.
I think that'd be awesome.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
We need, we need audio for that.
I'd be, I'd be down to film that.
I hate this laptop.
Please.
Just don't be horrible.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Oh God.
We have no idea how loud this is going to be.
I'm going to the Twitch chats.
So I went online to tiger.com and picked up a camera made of cheese.
That way I don't have to say anything.
I just also a tiger.com.
I picked up a laptop so big.
I call it a body top.
Quiet folks.
He's concentrated.
A CPU, a motherboard and a graphics card walk into a bar.
I can't read lips.
Tiger.com not funny, but great prices.
Check out the largest TV's and more.
Yeah.
I don't think Barnacles could hear.
Don't worry, Barnacles.
Everyone else.
Good.
But anyway, Logan apparently doesn't like me sharing his old tiger videos.
All right.
So we have some Q and A for Barnacles now.
So Barnacles, this is how Twitter blitz works.
I read the question.
You answer it as quickly as you can.
Of, of your 10 is your favorite HD 800 Sennheiser.
All right.
Wow.
You have HD 800s.
Very nice.
Sweet.
I'm looking.
Okay.
That's kind of a long question.
All right.
Something, something, something.
Someone's asking you on this.
So let's not address that.
Um, no.
Okay.
I'm still without mechanical.
Barnacles, do you still use your three 50 inch TVs as monitors?
They're actually 46 inch.
And yes, I use them every single day.
Very nice.
Epic.
And I wish there were fifties.
Cyber Husky asks, are either of us planning to leave YouTube?
I'm certainly not.
Barnacles, are you planning to leave YouTube?
Only if Google keeps this crap up.
What are you going to do though?
Because it's very difficult to take your audio.
Well, I'll just shut down shop and I don't know, quit my job, move to Mexico.
No, I'm not leaving YouTube.
Come on guys.
Seriously.
I love it.
What's your take on smartwatches?
Smartwatches?
I ordered a pebble and it still hasn't arrived.
I think I need to contact them.
Okay.
It's awesome.
It's awesome.
Okay.
Um, what are your personal rig specs?
Oh, sorry.
I missed that.
Personal rig specs.
My personal rig specs, uh, 3930K overclocked to 4.6, 32 gigs Ram, uh, two SSDs.
I got a new one gig SSD on the way for WD black seven and raid zero 60 rads, really
heavy pump camera.
It's an OC cool pump.
Um, other than that, I mean, I mean, that's 2680 for the, you know, some desk thing.
Oh, I have no cable management.
The thing looks, but come on.
It works.
I'm here.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Uh, someone wants to ask, what's it like working for Microsoft?
But I think I know enough about that answer to know that you probably shouldn't talk about
it.
Uh, you should not blame me.
All I can say is I've been there 15 years, so obviously there must be something good.
Otherwise I wouldn't have worked there for 15 years.
Someone says no question, but just wanted to say you're one of the best guests on the
WAN show.
Thanks for being on the show.
That's from a, I am Severide on Twitter.
Cool thing to say.
I love you, sir.
I'm going to come and give you a hug.
That didn't get you promise not to.
Yeah.
What's that?
All right.
So last question from Austin is what's it like to be a software developer?
I want to be a software slash computer engineer, but I'd like to know what the workloads like.
The workload is insane.
You will never milestone no matter how hard you try and you'll drink a lot of
is that I dig requirement ADHD.
Yeah, ADHD.
Don't even try.
Go do something else.
Thank you.
Quick sort of, Hey, this is where you find me.
If you thought I was interesting once more, and then we'll sign off.
Oh, awesome.
Well guys, thanks for having me on here.
I really appreciate it.
This has been a lot of fun.
This is by far the largest audience I've ever had.
Um, I've been on other tech shows like Jay's two cents and stuff like this has been no
different.
I'm just, I hope someday I get to come back.
Guys.
I am at HTTP barn nerd.com.
You know where you put your cows in the barn.
Yeah.
Anyways, come check me out.
Follow me on Twitter at barn Achilles.
Um, if you thought I was interesting and if you absolutely hate me and you think I'm the
stupidest guest that's ever been on the show, come follow me anyways and tell me about it
because I love trolls.
All right, guys.
Been a blast.
Take it easy.
All right.
Take care.
See you.
Okay.
So I moved out of your channel.
I emailed my user disconnected from your channel.
Let's go ahead and, uh, Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Apparently I did a lower third.
I'm going to do show, but apparently I did not.
So I'm going to go ahead and put that where it's supposed to go, which is on the desktop.
Why don't you do a rapid fire topic in the meantime?
Go, go, go.
I'm nowhere.
Well, you should be more prepared because apparently the lack of prep prepared here
was your fault.
This is not, black Friday was kind of, there was 15 injuries and one death this year.
To add to that, there was tons of huge protests and there was a massive amount of arrests
at these protests and 10 arrested as record black Friday protests, challenge Walmart and
major retailers on low wages.
So this is from democracy now.org.
So in addition to the protests, there was, I believe one death this year, 15 injuries
and then 110.
Another successful black Friday, black Friday, heartwarming community pulling together black
Friday.
I mean the whole, uh, I don't know what to say about, yeah, shop online.
Exactly.
I don't know what to say about the whole wages argument with stores like Walmart because
people are upset and yet they work there.
People are upset and yet they shop there.
Yeah.
The shop there thing though, the work there thing, they might not be able to get it in
there.
There might not be the store coming in, might've closed down so many stores around it that
there's not enough job, but everyone has, you know, the option to shop somewhere else.
Yes.
Unless they don't.
Unless they work at Walmart and they don't make enough money.
So how do we ever address this?
If you're not willing to pay more minimum wage law and, and they're fighting against
Walmart firing people, that's a big problem.
But the whole minimum wage laws things, I mean we had a minimum wage hike here not that
long ago and it hasn't done anything to address the constant increase in cost of living.
I mean it wasn't enough.
It wasn't enough.
They're talking in, I believe it was in this article, it might be a different one about
how they would need a wage increase to $15 an hour.
And like that's probably not going to happen because it's probably not quite, but a little
bit under double convincing huge companies like Walmart that they're not billions in
lobbying dollars.
It's going to be interesting.
Something that people have to understand too is that payroll is extremely expensive.
People are phenomenally expensive.
To operate a business like Walmart where people expect to come in and buy a box of cereal
for $2 or whatever it happens to be, the people involved in that box of cereal, okay, so first
to like drain, okay, then to take that and the cereal, then to package that, then transport
it somewhere, transport it somewhere else and then probably somewhere else.
And then finally to pick it up on a pallet, take it out onto a store floor and on a shelf,
then find to have someone take it off cashier and ring it up for you.
The number of times that gets touched, the fact that you can buy anything for $2 or $3
that nobody anywhere in that line was getting paid $15 an hour.
The truck driver.
Truck driver.
Truck driver.
Probably was.
The guy that flew the plane.
You don't ship cereal by air.
Okay.
The guy that doo doo doo doo doo.
Okay.
The truck driver perhaps.
The boat.
Yeah.
Probably not.
Yeah.
Probably not.
Yeah.
Probably not.
Anyway, okay.
Okay.
Maybe someone did.
warehouse workers.
But the point is that nobody.
In Walmart.
In Walmart.
Yeah, nobody in Walmart made over $15 an hour.
And if they did, that box of cereal would cost more.
So there's no clear solution here, I guess is what I'm trying to say, but that sucks.
That's really depressing.
That's a depressing news topic.
Black Friday is not like a happy holiday.
No.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
Okay.
So let's go into our.
That's a really, we could probably talk about that topic for another hour and a half.
Yeah.
There's probably a limit to how long.
I don't buy hatred for big box stores, but yeah, I wish everything was small.
Mom and pops.
People could make more money.
They wouldn't charge more money for things, but then scale is a thing.
Yeah.
And to have like each of the, if people were willing to buy, buy a cell phone once every
four years and people were willing to not overbuy things, they could afford to pay a
higher markup and people would make living wages.
But I think it's ultimately the consumer that drives this.
It's yeah.
It's not just Walmart's problem.
And like, like they talk about how you drop a wall.
Walmart got there, the Walmart would disappear.
Yes, it would.
So it's not, it's, it's a, it's a mixture of problems and it's not, it's not just the
consumers either, but then it's not just Walmart either.
I mean there are other problems with the consumer mentality as well.
This was a really interesting article.
I wish I remember where I read it now, but it was about Black Friday and retailer margins.
Now this isn't as true for electronics retailers, but it's very true for retailers and industries
where there typically is excellent margin like cosmetics or clothing or shoes where
what happens is Black Friday is, I believe the, the discount level compared to five years
ago had increased by 36%.
But the actual retailer margins were identical.
But there were a couple of retailers that talked about trying to go straight, you know,
everyday pricing versus having a high markup so that people think that that Coach bag is
worth $400.
Like that's honestly, Coach is the brand that baffles me more than any other one.
Okay, I'll talk about Coach.
But what they found was that, fine, because they wanted to feel like they were getting
a deal and that's what stores like Walmart do.
That's what big box does so well.
You have a high price that nobody ever actually pays, make you feel like you're getting a
deal and then they sell it for a lower margin and then they don't pay their people very
much.
And then it's all this system that is just horrible.
Anyway, so, so Coach, they're not even made of leather.
Like you store, okay, so like has dedicated stores, Coach outlet stores where the pricing
is lower.
Wow, it's lower.
So why doesn't everybody go to the outlet store?
Why do you ever go to the, the marked up more than the weather one store?
Like how does, how does, how does this figure in people's brains?
It's like, Oh, Oh, Coach bag.
Wow, that's really nice.
Coach bags are expensive, except they're never expensive because they're always at the outlet
store.
They're not really worth anything.
And again, it's that discount mentality.
Some guys like Linus boyfriend tips.
Marked down from mark down from $60.
And I'm like, okay, well, a, this was never worth $60 and B it's not worth $30 because
it doesn't even have any money on it.
That's the only time that it's worth it to pay $30 for a panel.
Why does anyone pay for this crap?
Like I have no problem with high end stuff, but make it out of something high end.
Okay.
Make a nice purse, make it out of leather and fricking put gold on fine.
You want to charge $20,000 for a phone that has like diamonds on it, whatever crystals
on it.
What?
It's like, Oh no, this is really different from the other.
So yeah, there's like a goose and it's a logo, but anyway, I think we should move on to our
next topic.
So, so it was that fueled by something?
Oh yeah, no, I was at the coach outlet.
If we were buying Christmas, she thinks it's stupid too.
I want for herself.
No, I, I, yeah, no, I was just there and they like, there's this, okay, Oh, see, you're
getting me going on this again.
So there's like a pre black Friday.
I think it, Oh, what's it called?
Hey, outlet.
And there's like, there was a lineup.
Okay.
There was a lineup at the coach outlet to get in.
And it's like the coach outlet and it's like 40% off.
Okay.
Another thing, guys, anytime a retailer tells you 40% off means that they had 40% margin
at some point, unless it's very exceptional deal one thing and it's a close out.
Okay.
So for example, electronics and say access warehouse sales where they mark things and
they go, yeah, this is the one and it's like got a scratch on it and it was returned.
Don't worry.
That is because to give you on the entire inventory in the back because they'd be losing
hundreds or thousands of dollars.
That is an exceptional deal.
An exceptional deal has to be an exception.
When you walk into a store and it's buy one, get one for 50% off means that each of those
pairs of shoes must have had 25% margin at least, at least.
And that's, that's all the money that they at least had.
They definitely had more because shoes are not actually worth anything unless, okay,
so let's talk about maybe very well-crafted steel toed work boots that are made of leather
and have soles that are like super awesome rubber that doesn't slip when you're walking
around on roofs.
Those are shoes that are actually worth something.
Shoes that are made of vinyl or plastic thing.
And if you feel like buy one, get one 50% off as a deal, then you need to re-examine
math.
I don't want to talk about this anymore.
I probably shouldn't have pushed you more.
I could.
I could definitely.
Nope.
We're not doing it anymore.
Okay.
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Toshiba acquires OCC's assets for $35 million.
For AJ on the original articles from a non tech speaking of a non tech.
Probably because he's he's a I'm literally probably just going to type in Twitch that
for the entire time.
You guys should see the unreleased video that's on my maybe not working right.
Linus tailing Anand for so long at Computex.
I have the whole thing recorded.
I'm sort of a fan.
So so I've read almost every article written and like all that kind of stuff.
He's super knowledgeable super smart very well respected in the industry and I'm really
excited to have him on the show next week.
So anyway this was written by Christian over at a non tech and basically I guess the long
and the short of it is they acquired OCC for $35 million.
It's unclear right now exactly what's going to be done with the brand itself.
Exactly what's going to be done with the people themselves.
I actually pinged a couple of people I know at OCC I'm fairly well connected over there.
It says in this article that the people they're supposed to retain them.
Who knows right.
Who knows what actually happens in the long run or like what kind of jobs they end up
doing because if they don't continue the OCC brand then they could make them all janitors
for Toshiba you know North America or something like like I don't know exactly what the terms
are and so for $35 million to put that in perspective OCC spent $32 million acquiring
Indolinx controller IP and all their engineers and all the assets that with that so so Indolinx
is a is a an SSD controller and acquires OCC in its entirety including those assets for
$35 million.
So you could say they bought OCC on sale and there was a lot of.
There wasn't margin.
They lost a lot of money.
There was a lot of margin when OCC bought OCC went shopping at the mom and pop store.
Okay you know that isn't the same thing.
Toshiba went shopping at Walmart.
I'm not talking about that anymore.
I'm not talking about that anymore.
So Toshiba a couple great benefits here.
It's great.
Number two is they get the OCC brand if they do decide that they want it.
Right now they've said that they will be honoring or the acquisition is complete but
think we know exactly what's going to happen.
So that's a little bit tricky and I did promise to talk about this on the WAN show a little
bit.
Anyone who didn't probably didn't know anything about OCC's business and I hear from consumers
a lot about why they think OCC went out of business and it really isn't those things
that has nothing to do with that.
They're like well I had an OCC drive and it died so therefore they're a bad company
and that's why they went no that's not business at all.
The reason they went out of business was better mismanagement.
I mean I would this is going back to my NCI you know a thousand OCC SSDs of a particular
model.
I don't think I can move a thousand of these within my normal 30 day terms and they would
say line up worry about it we'll extend your terms you can have 90 day terms and I'd say
well I don't think I can move these within 90 days because it's not a very good deal
and they'd say don't worry about it we'll give you instant rebates after the fact.
So basically what OCC was doing was they were booking the revenue because I was giving them
a PO and they were shipping me the drives but then
its entirety well because they were give me discounts after the fact before I ever paid
them.
They were collecting that money but they were discounting it.
Theoretical money.
Yeah they were collecting theoretical money and because of the way pricing works it typically
goes on over time I'm going backwards for you guys there we go down over time by the
time 90 days has passed they have shipped me flash so expensive not to go and is now
very expensive but they paid for it then but I'm going to pay for it now and they're
going to have to keep discounting it to make sure that I can sell it so obviously that
business model was only going to work if they could if they could sell me 10,000 the next
time around so that when I when I gave them that order they could put that on their books
and so it was never going to work it never had anything to do with OCC having the most
drive failures you know what they might have had the most drive failures they were also
number one market share in is for a long time they were selling a lot of drives and
when someone's selling 100 and someone else is selling 10 you're going to see 10 complaining
customers let's say there was a 10% failure rate which there isn't but you'd have 10 complaining
customers here versus that starts to add up they had to keep on selling larger and larger
orders forever if they wanted to stay in business unless they got them that they could
scale back the discounting and they would be able to retain a reasonable sales volume
and they would be able to make money but that was never because a device to being completely
commodity and dominated by guys like Samsung who own fabs and who own controller G and all
this stuff and can just sell it at you know whatever margin they don't care because they
they can sell themselves the flash make money there at a loss for all they care you'll never
be able to compete with those guys by putting a shiny gold heat spreader on something once it
becomes a commodity item and with SSDs it happened very quickly it went from like vertex black and
silver label to whatever crucial and the ugliest label I've ever seen and nobody cares until
five-twenties like scratched metal back so if they've been able to have that boutique II
branding and they'd been able to get margin and back out of it after they had an enormous sales
volume and great grip brand then it might have worked I mean there were issues I mean they did
release bunk products I think it was the petrol oh I can't remember there was one that had like
a 40% RMA rate it was ridiculous off was very solid but being a smaller company they often
couldn't validate things to the same extent that someone like Intel will spend a year
tells SSDs
she but to be clear I mean I had a couple people comment on multi she was so small like how could
they afford to buy OCZ or they're small is a nan flash manufacturer like branded yes I mean to
be clear size of a company not always apparent at the surface like you might look at companies
that have a good a good brand name but they're actually rebrand that's being produced by a much
larger company that's selling to a bunch of different brands like as someone else made a
comment that a data was really small they're not they are an SSD manufacturer they don't put a
label on things and then sell it to you they actually assemble put the chips on PCBs so
they're not quite at the level of Toshiba where they manufacture nan flash to sell the guys like
a data who put it together to sell to guys like oh I don't know like would be a great example like
Patriot that's why they live in the SSD business because they don't own fabs and they don't know
manufacturing wasn't gonna work for them unless they were willing to invest all that money and
has that kind of money yeah for instance someone in the chat just said American megatrends is not a
small company there you go yeah oh you have not small companies we have our just sort of mostly
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video that's not released yet okay so it's just gonna be a teaser for now we have a giveaway
coming oh okay I'll skip our intro funny people can complain about the intro length that's what
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a full gaming peripheral prize pack stinky foot boards so stay tuned for that all right here's
our next big topic is oh guys actually um let's do Twitter biode and on the topic of is it the
end of the line for AMD FX processors so feel either of those two topics that Linus tech on
Twitter let's talk this was posted by tech fanatic on the forum then it's leaked roadmap that seems
to suggest right there we share a AMD FX processor socket am3 plus are gonna be continuing all the
way to 2050 I suspect they'll just be EOL at some point this is just a placeholder because it's just
going away so socket FM 2 plus is gonna be getting refreshes on a yearly basis so we're
gonna get like 8,000 series graphics and like next-gen AMD Radeon next on all this cool stuff
VDR through still do they are three in 2015 hey that's interesting hey that might not be a bad
move though wait our DDR to get better because the air force probably gonna force probably not
gonna be super great at the beginning yeah it's not necessarily a bad idea mind you DDR4 would
benefit onboard graphics because you'd have more bandwidth yeah but at a cost to latency so I don't
know I'll be interested to see if this is even real but this is something that we've been talking
about for a real long time guys I don't remember that like I don't remember the number of that
wan show but like we talked about it fairly in depth like a while ago yeah I was like back when
we were in the garage so is there really any difference between AMD
but the M platform and Intel's current strategy where they haven't abandoned and LG a 2011
platform in fact they they're going to continue to release processors there and they'll be six
cores and eight core bajillion cores or whatever they're gonna do but it's not a photo no and it
comes out kind of whatever Bloomfield was released before Linfield so that was a 1366 platform that
came out before the 1156 platform and that was the last time Intel led with an enthusiast grade
product and then followed with a mainstream products they've been leading with mainstream
and enthusiast has been as much as two processor architecture generations behind the well launched
we were still on Sandy Bridge II and then we got
now this Intel's means also have onboard graphics and AMD calls any CPU that has onboard graphics
right on the die and AP you so by AMD's definition the Intel mainstream ones are AP use AP use so
we're talking about Oh AMD is abandoning the high-end well are they then in the high-end is
the 4770 K not a high-end product from a gaming perspective I'd rather have an eight core but
is it not high-end enough for you I don't know it's it's interesting and like they're
like not really slow there was more information outside of just that chart which is like even
more room hurry than that chart although that chart looks pretty official which which was
pecking out speeds I didn't know it's because it was like pretty rumor II yeah it was pretty
quick and if you look at like any build guide ever they're probably not running for the Intel
side they're probably not running I could CPU yeah super common so basically everything he just said
yeah I don't think it's gonna affect their business in any tangible way I think if they
can deliver I think it's great to see us go socket strategy I'm kind of tired of having
two different sockets all over the place it's like between AMD and Intel we have four different
it's and that's the current only so we've got 11 we've got 1150 we've got am 3 us or two
whatever they want to call it then we've got FM 2 or FM 2 plus and then you can still buy
LGA 1155 stuff which is like super relevant which is super relevant still because it performs
well not like if anything I think it's more confusing if we can go down to okay well we're
gonna ship only AP use they're gonna have great onboard graphics and you can use them or you can
not and remember guys you don't have to use onboard graphics for graphics you can use them
for compute as well so with HSA coming onboard graphics might become more and more and as time
goes on and we might just see that whole thing is well this is a processor and it's good at a
lot of different things and it might not matter that it's graphics course CPU cores or whatever
else so if it starts to just deliver better processors that have all these things built
into them I don't I don't see an inherent problem with that and it's all in one sockets all easy
they can deliver more cores and that's great too I think it was interesting timing because for a
while there honestly no one really seemed to care about AMD processors at all like I never saw them
at all versus 35 70 thing and then you saw AMD processors all over the place all of a sudden yeah
I know and then now they're like like if you did it before I would have maybe seen it as being
realistic but then now you're doing it now when people are more interested in your product but
then I don't know cost a lot more to maintain two different platforms as well yeah another post
I tech says we're evaluating mantle so here is the link to the source there you go there's a
panel discussion so you guys can check that out it'll be posted in the way I'm evaluating it
direct quote says where is it I can't really talk too much about mantle that's why but then
he goes in to talk about mental pretty pretty seriously so to just get the elephant out of the
room we're still evaluating mantle so we haven't made any clear decisions on that yet we're taking
a look far very promising I mean when you consider that star citizen has already committed mental
support and this is a cry engine based game if cloud Imperium and cry tech aren't somewhat
gonna talk to each other about this that I'd be very surprised yeah he's surprised be and like
AMD pulled in cloud Imperium yeah I would be surprised to not see mantle implemented in cry
engine at this point based on what we've right now which is extremely exciting I mean mantle
is still an unknown it's December I have for bf4 yet so I guess it's coming in a while maybe
so it's still an unknown but it looks promising yeah well they both are to be honest like no one's
really seen Jesus having like a few other people have but to mass consumers it's still a completely
unknown okay but it's not an unknown if someone knows it yeah where's mantle everybody seen it
it's an unknown by your by your logic atoms are an unknown because only a few people have seen them
so everyone else is just taking their word for it no that's total no it's not yes you can't see
it doesn't matter the point is that if someone knows and it's but you can't properly explain it
because no one has any idea what you're talking about okay but that's different from something
just plain old not existing yet I'm not saying it's not existing I didn't say it wasn't okay
no an unknown has to be unknown I an unidentified flying object really explain it yeah kind of see
that as well no insert you can see particles in it and you can see the way it flows okay so hold
on an unidentified flying odd okay if somebody knows yeah it's one of those it's not unidentified
even if the person watching it was like what is that it's an identified sure but they still have
not they don't know what it's like they know oh my god talking about g-sync okay g-sync you're
you're blowing certain things just to me earlier when what the whole bar that was completely
no it wasn't you were taking unrelated exam okay I actually I stand by this though known has to be
unknown to okay don't understand they haven't anyone else because people still don't understand
what the hell it does well here I'll properly explain it right now then do it tearing goes
away leg but then we have to go into all the other concepts about it too because that's the
explanation that's what it does that's the that's well that's the gold is you sit down in front of
your mom and the delay that would normally exist when the GPU is finished drawing a fixed refresh
rate gone and then the tearing that exists when you're mark when your frame rate exceeds the
monitors refresh rate is gone yeah you what's going on people refusing to listen is not the
same as no then they don't know it that doesn't mean it's unknown mantle is a large majority
they've been talking about there's a difference between something being unknown and some people
being ignorant about it those are not the same about the speed increases they talked talked
about the it increases they've still talked about it they've still explained how it is they had that
both known then which reviewers talked about it PC per PC per they have about a field for build
that they've run he they saw the I didn't say battlefield 4 they saw the mantle thing
what so it's a tech demo demos of physics that make it look like the next best thing for gameplay
what was that Borderlands made physics looks like the next best thing for gameplay but that was BS
too exactly it doesn't matter though I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one
all right so Amazon is on the same level I was willing to move on I'm not well Amazon is testing
drones for deliveries this was a big big news article that absolutely exploded on the entire
internet is it the truth is it the ruse in the entire history of marketing I don't think we're
quite sure okay it was definitely good marketing we're just not sure they're actually working on
yet because Amazon has everyone talking about them for free without paying a dime on the busiest
shopping weekend in the United States so they've got to be working on it on some level if there's
that Chinese company that's got it yes they're probably working on it on some level but well
that this is actually realistic so here's the original article from the is the drones called
octocopters could deliver point three kilograms that's about five pounds to customers within 30
minutes of them placing their order however he added that it could take up to five years for the
service to start there are some complications so the US Federal Aviation Administration has
approved the use of drones for police and government agencies but they have not issued
any permits for civilian use as yet and that's not they're not they don't have to do anything
about it until 2015 and sort of talking about this all they want but there won't be any 15 at
the very earliest unless the FAA just decides that of the goodness of their hearts though yeah
exactly so probably not well that's why I said the FAA problems that people have brought up like
whether operating costs reliability potential vandalism thefts FAA regulations that was all
stolen from an antique article yeah but like well not to say well hold on let's not say stolen
let's credit it so Jared Walton from an untech wrote a very excellent piece about some of the
challenges though challenge number one was okay well there were a bunch of okay this was the one
I liked the most okay as as their CEO noted they have around 300 items ordered every second day
that creates a lot of work for the shipment side of the business but to deliver only 10% of their
packages by drone and they were claiming that up to 86% of Amazon shipments could be handled by drone
with respect to weight and distance okay so even if they tried to ship 10% on such a busy day they'd
be looking at 30 packages per second so they'd probably need okay a delivery time of about 20
minutes let's say if they're moving at high speed towards a target probably another 10 minutes for
refueling and a drone fleet numbering 54,000 would be needed so if all orders were to be
delivered by drones we'd be looking at 10 times that number over half a million drones I didn't
read the part about distance being in there as well but I'm sure it's in there um but oh yeah
they need warehouse locations within 10 miles of your office
because they don't locations within 10 miles and the drones would need to be amazing to be able to
go that fast I mean they'd need to not even just that a lot of drones I find don't go that quickly
to operate with the precision be able to like like I like I picture the the Death Star and Falcon
being tractor beam and then we need what was it 300 per second of them I mean it would be like a
beehive well yeah but that's also there isn't one shipping people no there is though but it's a lot
of and they're saying within 10,000 it's like if you if you actually this calculation of well it's
like tons of them so the to come in and land and be precise enough to get to whatever kind of a
dock that then probably carries it somewhere I mean they have amazing automation facilities
inside and so for it to land on like a dock and then on rails to the exact spot pick up
that thing and then be taking out to a to another dock that like that's totally realistic now but
the the precision with which they'd have to any our drone on a windy day for example bulk it
taking off course quite easily these aren't again these are not a our drones they're much better
but I just have eight rotors I believe rotors and probably better cameras and that's another thing
adverse weather conditions I mean if they could fly by I don't know sonar then I guess it wouldn't
be sonar it would be a echo location if they could fly out by something like that I guess
echo locations kind of you do like those streets that have those like banner signs on their light
what happens and I mean that that all even ignores like stupid people yeah I mean this is
I laughed when I saw it I really did but I was just like yeah it'll happen and aside from ship
and these extremely expensive drones probably being damaged on a fairly regular basis I mean
what about what about the danger people shooting up in the air trying to take down drones cuz it
will happen totally will happen and that bullet coming down and hitting someone it is no secret
that what goes up must come down and what goes that's enough to pierce skin and bones will come
down at a speed that is enough to pierce skin and bones the bullet probably won't be going in a
perfect line it might be flipping and stuff but it's still gonna cause damage yeah it'll still
kill ya if it hits you in the head it's a bullet and it's going fast small metal object large
velocity squishy target yeah all right so fake I don't know there is that there's a there's the
Chinese company yeah and UPS and FedEx have come out and said that they're looking into drone
technology as well I mean they could they could reduce I mean see that makes more sense because
and longer shipping times not 30 minutes because then you could bring it there's there's UPS and
FedEx depots everywhere and here's the thing that kind of scares me is this race to lower
costs and more automation and again it comes back to the black employees it's like okay so you want
to raise how about we take half of you and replace you with robots and the other half of you can all
have a raise that's actually one of my notes on the Walmart thing is like they'll probably just
fight this until they don't and you know what at what point do you abandon the notion that everyone
like like the the capitalist notion of everyone works and makes a fair wage and gets a minivan
and a house in the suburbs and like sort of the American dream so to speak abandon that because
the machines and do everything for us and we just kind of go okay well nobody really has to work
anymore why do we bother like is that is it it's communism because it's not taking everyone and
paying them the same for different jobs because would anyone even really a job and what's the
thing what's to make money on anymore if you don't pay anyone anything for anything because
you don't need UPS is you they're gonna have self one dude who loads loads the drone thing
and fixes the drones and then though the drones carry everything everywhere else then you're
gonna have a drone that fixes the drones and loads the drones and then at that point do we just take
all the UPS drivers and just go look I mean it doesn't cut your packages anymore so you know
here's some food and somewhere to stay and I mean no one will be that charitable so there's by like
you know cool iPads then what it's gonna be a very interesting 20 years yeah all right what's
our next topic the China shipments jump right on to it sure so the biggest glaring problem I saw
that with this right away is the FAA is stepping in front of the possible issues with drones in
the States and making a possible issue for quite a while but China was like as long as you get like
regional aerial authority pass whatever the heck so one shipping company there SF Express is already
jumping into it and starting basically now but a problem I have is in that picture it looks super
clean and nice there but in a lot of different places in China there's so much smog that you
can't really see anything for reference we have another article here that we might may or not bring
up but 20 million CCTV cameras were rendered basically useless because of the smog they can't
so if these drones are driven by vision like robotic vision what do they do if you can't see
anything like that is it gonna be predetermined it's gonna have to be permanently cleared no
matter what are they gonna be see through some other means like like that I mean this is the
thing that concerns me about like I'd love to have a flying car but the air is probably gonna be
than even the ground-level roads did yeah with all the unmanned junk like I mean it's like is
like schwacking into a drone in your car are gonna be just like like I hit a goose today holy crap
like unusual but not unheard of I don't know and then what about the liability for all this yeah
I mean maybe in China no cares were given here's the smog thing maybe in China no cares were given
about the liability lawsuit like it is over here but like someone's if you if you'd nudge someone
in the head you will get sued for millions so what if a drone hit someone's car knocks the
mirror off the mirror falls on their nephew who like falls in like breaks his nose like who's
liable for this how much does it cost there's a lot of stuff to figure out and you know the funny
thing about it is the argument could be made like hey tough luck man I'm sorry it worked out that
way but drones and self-driving cars have much lower have much lower rates of error and collision
and failure than the ones that were operated by humans so I'm sorry this worked out this way for
you but you know the goods of the many are the great things of the many outweigh the two and
overall for the greater good it's better that we do this this way but then at the same time but
what me I wouldn't have crashed the car I would have been I would have done better like there's
there's a lot of and like pointing at someone and saying well if this drone didn't hit you the guy
driving the truck would have yeah you can't say that you can't say that it's not accurate and you
can't prove it in any way so it's kind of funky down all right so I was right micro USB is stupid
but they're making it like this I hope they make it more durable did you see there they're
but size is fine I actually don't even mind the lightning connector but if they can make it more
dirt I'm just I'm just saying I hope they don't like completely mimic it so the next USB plug will
finally be reversible the story was on the verge work has begun on the type C connector so this is
the only connector when we'll need across all devices one connector to rule them all yeah this
is this is this funny so they link to their article where they talk about the clumsy and
oversized micro USB 3 primary micro USB 3 is ridiculous so this will be a USB 3 standard
a super speed connector yeah I think this is just the review yeah where they talk about the like
huge massive and ridiculous I mean it's fast and that's great but I am super excited and I'm glad
to see that I was right and micro USB stupid and we need to move on to something else so it'll be
small super thin reversible and hopefully will be the standard for phones of the future pretty
stoked for that something I'm not necessarily a 1966 Jaguar xj-13 for 150 us a second if you
could get a Jaguar for $140 you would do it right the actual car yes Gran Turismo 6 coming to
PlayStation 3 on Friday will allow you to buy an in-game car for $140 which is ridiculous I think
the scales even worse for euros which like that's happened so much you guys yeah we're gonna buy
this anyways yeah so to purchase it you would have to buy two seven and a half million dollar
in-game packs so 140 dollars total plus plus two of the other ones yeah and and like there's I I
watched the little video where it leaked awesome the cars are and there's quite a few that are in
like the I think but I think it's about $50 how much was the seven and a half million dollar one
because they're five million dollars I saw a ton that were five million seven and a half million
hold on let me double-check seven and a half million points I mean seven and a half million
points was 50 bucks so yeah I saw a whole bunch that were five forty dollar forty dollar rate
bottom at what point do we stop calling microtransactions microtransactions see
their micro because they're easy and fast yeah and what you have to deal with they're not
technically micro because of the cost hmm okay so there's still a microtransaction so I thought did
you see my new what are you calling the go go go go go mmt or massive microtransactions so this
game could be redefined as an mmtrs a massive microtransactions racing simulation excellent
that's exactly what we needed I love it you could have like mmt mmorpgs
oh fantastic uh so this is something that uh this is something that I personally am quite excited
about although I don't know I don't think I can find the article right now uh can you do a rapid
fire topic let me just treat see if I can find this sure give me one quick second you know find
something we've covered most of our stuff we're actually 22 minutes over time yeah we should
about this so I don't I don't think we need to talk about this for too long because it happened
to yahoo well but NSA was just leaked about how they tapped into data center interlinks at
Microsoft so the links that go in between their big data center buildings which are not too close
to each other they've tapped into that and they're sniffing everything and Microsoft is pissed there's
a quote of them saying these allegations are very disturbing if they are true these actions amount
to much when it was happening to us and now they're super pissed
but I wonder if this is a good thing because now that we have stuff like
people like Microsoft getting all angry about it maybe aside now maybe something will actually
happen because there weren't some like at all so cool look at Linus's email new shield features
the two touch screen buttons so you can basically make any touch screen control game a physically
controlled game yes has been updated so you have the ability to share browse and rate
community sourced gamepad mapper profiles so you don't have to you can just download the best rated
gamepad mapper profile that someone else created and boom you're in the game ability to map gyro
simulation to your thumbsticks which is cool it gives the right thumbstick a feature for first
person perspective games that use touch swipes to look around and it adds a new accelerated
cursor option for joystick mouse mode also they 1080p 60 fps support to the console mode
as long as you're using a usb to gigabit ethernet adapter which
purchased yeah you have to get an on-the-go compatible one and I actually
uh a hub and then or an otg cable and a hub and then a usb to gigabit okay thing
also plug in my bluetooth controller nice i am so stoked i have a stoke game stream works really
well but for some reason there's some interference in my living room or something and it doesn't work
particularly well on my tv is fine which is actually further yeah it's it's shield works
fine there but in my living room so i'll run wired to the living room power line okay and then
i should have enough for 1080p on the tv i'm excited i think and nvidia also has opened up
their uh oh bollocks what's it called yeah game stream uh using grid it's an open beta
anyone with the shield with the latest soft it just has a grid button you can try it it works
my action speed which was optimal for it and there's some blockiness to the textures it's
hardly perfect but Vancouver to nvidia server and santa clara was a playable gaming experience
rounds in street fighter wow and i'm not a particularly good fighting game player so like
i was and i was able to like block the like the like the latency was not bad it was very playable
not that note works that's interesting that's really interesting i still don't and it's free
right now because it's beta one with a shield you can just play i think they've got uh dark
exciters to street fight or something and like uh eight total that's pretty cool so yeah you've
got to try so what do you think is going to be like a service nvidia doesn't want to run the
service they just want to do a proof of concept here so that someone else can go and buy a bunch
of grid servers holy crap it works on life on life it's gotta be all over that so it'll work
okay and then last thing that i'm really excited about here is uh wait oh crap what was it it was
that my favorite thing while you look for that is things out but it's gonna take me forever to
find like my most preferred thing and i would spend a huge amount of time on mapping something
like this to just it for me and then i can just get used to their mapping because i know there's
a ton of games where it might be mapped differently than i'm wanting what i'm used to but as long as
it's still mapped i can get used to it and it'll be okay like shooters i know i'll notice shooters
like any minor change as long as it kind of makes sense i can usually get used to it like the control
to see thing for um a lot of shooters changed crouch to see and i'm used to playing with it
on control but i got used to that pretty quick because it kind of makes sense like it it's
after why they did it i still usually still kind of like it on control but either way
i forget you find it but no it's not it's not in here it was something that i was thinking about
okay but i wanted to say that was on the subject of uh of shield and grid and cloud gaming and
all that as well uh anyway it works surprisingly
that um that sort of ghetto shield uh just apk you can download it right on xda developers
tried it uh so i tried it on the nexus 5 which is pretty much the recommended device
so that i have an ac router at home so i gave it as much bandwidth as i could i sat next to my
router and it's got so it's got a dragon processor it's got a snapchat 800 or whatever it is and
it's got built-in h264d so what that means is that is the most recommended device for limelight
the experience wasn't very good image quality was fine but there were very noticeable lag spikes
so while the game stream works it only works with steam right now so this is very much
like a a kludgy hack it's it works at all but it wasn't playable nvidia has spent a lot of time
and done work optimizing shield in order to deliver the latency that they do i'm still
considering once limelight gets a couple more releases getting new releases like
right now um so once we get a couple more releases and it gets a bit more optimized
then i think what we should do is we should revisit ghetto and we should go okay you know
nexus 5 or htc1 or some kind of optimal phone on a moga okay and then we go see wireless versus
shield on dual band n and then we go uh splash top and we compare all three with the high speed
so we can really see the difference and we can see how much optimization work actually goes into
making this work aside from just the hardware because nvidia they claim that mostly software
yeah the hardware is nothing special it's an antenna tiger chip it makes sense just an arm
processor with the g-force deal with things in a very weird way it makes sense that it would be
software so right now at least i yeah talked about i talked about all the new all the new
shield stuff that makes me super excited do you want to do maybe build logs and then a twitter
thing and then be done or twitter let's do the twitter blitz because i asked you guys to blitz
about that a while ago then we'll follow up with build logs of the week and we'll call it a show
sure like yeah we'll just like we'll do some things call it a show i hope you guys have
enjoyed the better audio quality for this show we have a totally new setup actually maybe we'll do
a short after party after the week and i can show you guys because it's really cool all right so um
oh tech fanatic you and your long pm's on the forum suddenly the end of fx becomes almost
irrelevant first one first okay the point of twitter is that it's a 140 character limit
because that's all if you want to type essays you can type them to me somewhere else um if hsa and
mantle can allow games to leverage the igp of the apus for physics and happy crossfire then all of
a sudden end of fx comes irrelevant yeah yeah anything that allows us to utilize the onboard
graphics on the cpu more is definitely good but we did not see g-sync because we can't and it's
still only on tn we have actual numbers for mantle and we have for mantle we don't know
mantle affects the actual output quality of the game that's something we don't know yet
it probably will be fine it will probably be the same but it might fight against myself
thing on ips we just haven't seen it on ips yet yeah and why do you get you sent me a pm about
this dude oh g-sync only works on these ones no you're wrong just wrong you're wrong g-sync
works on any monitor monitor manufacturer decides to implement the module that's it
oh now is an asus 144 hertz
it comes to viewing angular color reproduction yes we all know this but there's no reason that
g-sync couldn't be delivered on your next generation 4k tv still like which would be
amazing 24 inch 4k quality monitor boom and like looking at the assassin's creed 5
had um where nvidia was we have a 4k
these are stupid and they have like tremendous input lag because remember g-sync is not only
this technology it's also a processor dealer again but lower input lag i'm not all gonna be good
things um i'm stoked i haven't even seen it yet um i'll bring it down so i'm gonna play with it
this because i'm we need to not get into this uh what do you think of republic of gamers gtx
780 Poseidon i think it's a card that has hybrid air and liquid cooling i think it's a gtx 780
based and i think it's gonna look like i don't really know what else you want me to say about it
it's gonna be jack of all trades master of none we've seen this kind of thing in the past um
i think it was yeah cooler master of all people had what was called the hydra 8800 which was an
air cooler liquid cooler for the 8800 gtx guys go check it
against solution than that but it's not like this is the first time it's been done
something like i racing is no different from gt6 pay membership and then pay extra for more
tracks and cars we've seen this in other games it's just 140 is locked down yeah remember that
more roots but it's also a lot more um devastating if something goes wrong i guess would be my
would be my feedback didn't you buy ships and star citizen for more than that car yes but i
also got the game and i also got in ships and i also got the ability to be super badass right
out of the gate many other things in the game and that was supporting we both back
additional ships and i backed it i think when you backed it too it wasn't even 100
fun we hadn't hit a bunch of the milestones that i hit like i believe in the project i
wanted to happen i'm not supporting deep six to backing before it was at 100 like it wasn't even
gonna be a game yet bed sheets are invisible to sonar and echolocation so there's a very good
point um with respect to animation so you could catch drones make nets yeah drone nets
wow drone net even sounds like a thing okay we should like tm that yeah drone net will take 10
percent royalty yeah 10 royalty i bet vision type eyes okay well you're increasing the cost
significantly again because remember the way night vision works is just like yet wouldn't
there's different kinds of big problems with night vision because it's particles there's different
ways that night vision i think depending on which one it may or may not be i don't know enough
yeah um everyone will work at research facilities maybe a few engineers or repair guys yeah but not
every this is something that i think people need to come to terms with not everyone is cut out to
be an engineer and that's life um be the news anchor on their favorite news show you know you
can look at the guy who's doing that and be like oh i you know i wish i could do that there will
probably still be stuff for people i don't know but there's like there's one spot and unfortunately
that's that one person can can get it and so if we eliminate all the jobs for the people who
aren't engineers unless we support them and then that and then the engineers are all upset because
well we're just supporting those guys and they're late okay but there will probably be more jobs
and i think different markets will blow up a little bit more and i things might change i
don't know uh harrison says i'm looking at video card for my friend post it on the forum man uh
you need maintenance for 54 000 drones there will be jobs made you need people flying them too i
know that yeah and the maintenance if you had 54 000 of exactly the same thing it's probably
worthwhile to invest in a machine that 3d scans and then 3d placement parts and then puts them
back together so yeah yeah people still have to develop the software for that machine and
build that machine and that machine and all that kind of stuff um the show is called wan show
weekly analysis and news doesn't say computer in there we focus on technology stuff and those
drones are totally technology minus tech tips what confuses me most reviewers say that AMD and
intel are both equally good but most use intel in their systems why that's that's yeah scroll
uh apple
reviewers or anything like that AMD throws money at reviewers too they both do
don't imagine that doesn't happen um we use what we okay that's we talk about the merits of AMD
technology a lot but mostly we focus on what's great about it for the value conscious when
you're not there you don't have to be value conscious you're not value conscious an extreme
edition not because it makes any sense i wouldn't buy an extremely ridiculous every single
recommended to anyone i've always tried to step in and be like whoa
wait and there might be a better option so it's not it's not about makes sense for an average
it's about if you have this cpu that you got for free and this one that you got for free
then you might as well use which it doesn't matter if it costs more 83
i watch rumors okay i don't click on links during the show but i'll definitely check that out
with nvidia's tiger mobile chips going from strength to strength do you upgrade nvidia
see you no i don't think you can't get an x86 license and x86 isn't going anywhere anytime soon
i think uh windows rt is all the proof we need of that and uh they're going from strength to
strength but they don't have a whole lot of design wins with tiger 4 it's in shield and like their
own tablet fart so i mean i think it's places in the marketplace in the long term uh guys unknown
is a pokemon oh okay sure linus is right we have actual numbers for mantle but did not cannot see
g sync oh wow i i don't care that you can't see g sync i've seen it and it's good uh amd is dropping
is cp upgrade ability of my aim 3 plus mobile dead yeah pretty much you guys are bickering
yeah we do sometimes we try not to do it on camera for the most part but sometimes he's just
oh my god that it needs to be uh he needs to be put in this place
bullcrap we need eight core apus yeah i agree people cannot comprehend g sync because they
haven't seen it but people do not know what met with mantle because it's not out yet yes
james taylor i agree with you they can't comprehend that doesn't mean it's unknown
oh my god linus i agree with you over you here over slick ah justin you're my man what if gp
so instead of having to find tasks that's absolutely what's coming hsa is coming yeah
that's the point all right should i buy a 780 ti get an r9 290 water cooler that test yet would
that be saving money no maybe about the same yeah actually yeah and then that you already own a
custom liquid cooling setup for your CPU or something and you can integrate it unless you buy
a g10 and assumes you don't need to add another radiator to account for the extra heat load and
g10 unless you buy a g10 but that assumes you have an old asa tech unit kicking around it's still
cheaper cheaper all right yeah i think you're right oh that was fun that went away really
quickly okay back to twitter i agree about the benefits of one socket it'll create more
motherboard choices yep absolutely tech fanatic dude i'm still interested in what he has to say
i'm interested in what he has to say but he's like got as many tweets as everyone else combined
i'm very happy with my a350 i think that'll be enough for another five years i think five years
might be up i mean we go back and look at what CPUs we were running five years ago that was like
lga 775 the the core 2 quad q 6600 has not aged particularly well doing all right but
mine's still working pretty good yeah it works you can play bf3 on it okay like no problem at all
okay didn't we run that and didn't it not run particularly well i thought we tested that
no oh no we had an e6600 oh okay
i'm not i'm not defending the i'm just i think i'm pretty much done with that for now why don't
you do your uh build logs of the week thing where is it it's in the that's on the is that
this week hooray linus's screen let's all share it
things whatever problem we had with uh frames getting dropped earlier on in the show is totally
yeah yeah i thought maybe we had a long-term problem there i'm gonna let you i'm gonna
oh wait you gotta download it first oh you are never mind um you might want to take a look
try and figure out what's going on there that's awesome that's like super classic wow
so there's a blog there's there's yeah they're both they're both really cool all right slideshow
as as normal so guys just a reminder these are build logs from the linus tech tips forum build
log section you can definitely check them out there and you definitely should because it is
basically impossible for everything and show everything i'm just gonna hide us right now so
we're just showing like uh ideas and stuff oh my goodness this is so cool so there's a couple of i
can't remember i can't remember if this is p182 white edition i guess it would be can't remember
exactly what case that is but they've got one of them upside down and one of them right side up
and then whatever the heck's going on up here with handles unreal so okay you know what you better
walk through this you can tell the mid has been gutted yeah so you can see between the two cases
is completely open now yeah so so a lot of what we're showing here is gonna be like some pretty
close-up you can't you need to go look at the build guide guide build blog sorry yeah build log
um because there's a lot of shots that we didn't include we included way too many shots of this
computer but we still can't show everything that's like important look at these i love these
fittings which ones are these these are the um are those the monsoons i think they are i didn't
actually look at the name of the build dog but they look like monsoons those are beautiful they
remind me of monsoons i'm not entirely sure they might not be they might be a different one that i
that i'd seen before either way they're absolutely beautiful i didn't look up the name in the bill
match the tubing really nicely normally i wouldn't really like orange tubing or orange fluid but it
actually really works really well and he has a really interesting scheme for his uh
kill management color look at these look at these graphics cards so he's got he's turned
he's turned it into a cute absolutely amazing i love the lighting coming out through the front
here as well yeah what a fantastic gaming rig chopping that middle through and make it go all
the way through the back it's just super cool really really really cool midnight smurf water
cooled 650d i can already tell this is going to be beautiful carbon fiber in very small print yet
another yet another water-cooled 650d so the first picture you go to that shows just awesome
sleeving and then you start to see carbon fiber and stuff every doesn't shy away from
right on the ssd love that yeah doesn't shy away from too many cables um fills his freaking case
like he's got a ton of stuff in here which is really cool actually because i notice a lot of
people that do build logs they'll be like yeah my super awesome rig that has one card and you
can't see any drives and there's nothing in here yeah well to be clear a rig can be super awesome
and have we're not down on that people being like wow look how great my cable management
like one card and one drive yeah whereas like my system people might knock my cable management
particularly at the back but i have a sound card that needs power i have a raid card that
of 80 87 go out to like quad say to break out cables
card that needs to a an eight pin and a six
like jam that's even more ridiculous like full water cooling with
i have so like it gets a lot more difficult the more crap and like lighting all over the place
becomes a lot more difficult to wire as well so i wasn't i wasn't knocking on
people that don't have a lot of stuff in their case i was just saying uh brag about the cable
management yeah can be easier yeah and that's cool and you did a really good job but like this
is when i'm really impressed it's like holy crap this guy things in his case and like his runs are
super clean all over the place and the sleeving some it's just looks really really good you know
what i just realized so uh show guys thank you very much um as always thank you wow we have like
uh
late you can always check out the and thanks so short like official after party i just want to
show them like the new setup sure are we doing that in the arc like are we doing oh should i
should i stop and then yeah yeah i'll do that okay so we'll be right back