What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show. The big news of course this week is that Dbrand and Zach from JerryRigEverything have, well, been stolen from, allegedly, allegedly, I'm saying that allegedly, mostly, ironically, because it looks pretty cut and dry. This is not legal advice.
Yeah, it is technically, still allegedly, and they have been stolen from by Casetify. So we're going to be getting you guys up to speed if you haven't been keeping track of all the spicy drama that's been going on around that. Also, what else? Yep.
Um, Sony patents, save states? This cannot be as simple as the headline. So, you know, allegedly, allegedly, we're going to get to that a little bit later. What else we got today, Luke?
Nothing reverses on the blue bubbles and there's some other spice along with that story.
That is still such a dumb name for a company.
Nothing.
If I didn't know what you were talking about, I still wouldn't know what you were talking about.
Yeah, I don't like it.
Nothing reverses on the blue bubbles. Yeah, nothing, not nothing reverses on the blue bubbles. What do you, what does that even mean? Sorry, go ahead.
Speaking of what does that even mean, Sam Altman returns.
Yeah, what does that even mean?
What's even happening?
Who knows? Doesn't matter.
Joe is brought to you by Ridge, SeaSonic, and Newegg. And of course, you know, Black Friday deals, I'm sure, on all of those sites right now.
Got some Black Friday deals on LTT Store.
Hey, Dan, I noticed we have 69 merch messages already. How's that? Treating your fingers over there?
It's going well. That's not the one.
I'm getting extremely efficient at it.
Nice.
Extremely.
Extremely. Oh, I get it, because we're streaming.
No.
Extremely.
That's pretty good.
Bye, I'll show myself out.
All right, why don't we jump right into the big headline topic.
Zach Nelson of JerryRigEverything and dBrand of dBrand are suing device accessory company CaseDefy for copyright infringement after CaseDefy allegedly copied their collaborative teardown series of device skins.
Now, I'm sure that your immediate reaction to this is, well, now, hold on just a gosh darn minute. How exactly is it that you could copyright a picture of the inside of a phone?
Right, like, that doesn't really make sense.
Yeah.
dBrand didn't make the phone. Zach wasn't the first person to take the back cover off of a phone. How does that make sense?
Well, here's the thing. If you watch Zach's video, sorry, I'm just going to call him JerryRigEverything, because that's, you know, the channel name.
So many people think his name is Jerry. His name is not Jerry. His name is Zach. I'm so sorry to burst your bubble.
Anyway, if you watch, no, you can't do it.
If you watch Zach's video, he walks through how teardown is not just taking a picture of the phone once the back is removed.
They actually go to a lot of work to take artistic liberties with it, you know, right?
Like, they'll touch up this, and they'll enhance that, and they will, you know what?
We'd actually really like it if the copper was showing on the charging coil.
Let's expose that copper, and then let's composite that back onto it.
So, really, it's more like a digital creation separate from just a picture of the back of the phone without the back on it.
And part of this process, because, you know, it's dbrand, and dbrand memes, is that they added a number of in-jokes and Easter eggs to the artwork.
Ooh.
Yeah.
That's a little damning.
So, here's the thing.
Back in March, Casetify was selling a similar series of skins, but instead of going to the work of getting phones and taking them apart, which is a hassle, you need a heat gun.
Maybe, maybe like a pry tool from iFixit.
Like an iFixit kit.
I mean, that'll cost you.
Hold on a second.
I actually think I get it.
Here.
Look, guys.
Look, it's Black Friday right now.
So, this is not fully representative, right?
Like, this would be even more expensive.
If I were to get a ProTec bundle, that would be $97.99.
That is Canadian dollars.
So, like four American dollars.
Yeah.
And it would be maybe 20% more than that.
For a company the size of Casetify, I can see how that would be an unreasonable expense.
Yeah.
I'm, what, I'm going to spend $100 from some weird beaver country, and I'm, so to be able
to take apart a phone, no, I, I, yeah, I think I actually kind of, I'm coming, I'm coming
around to Casetify's side on this.
The Casetify Bounce Extreme case costs more than that.
So, so, so anyway, back in March, they had a line of skins, and instead of taking apart
the phones, which we've established, it's very expensive, right?
They just used the same internal scan of an iPhone on every phone, which seems like a
valid shortcut to me.
I mean, if I was, if I was one of those people who goes and spends, you know, iPhone money
on not an iPhone, I'd probably, I'd probably want to rock iPhone all over the back of my
not iPhone, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, because I'm not, you know, I'm not all counterculture, anti, anti-iPhone or whatever.
That doesn't matter to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So, dbrand mocked them for this back in March, and Casetify, you know, I think their defense
is, is really gonna, is really gonna boil down to, you know, if, if dbrand's claims
end up being true, that Casetify ripped off their teardown skins, I think Casetify's
best shot at a defense is gonna be something along the lines of, uh, he made fun of me!
Um, cause that seems to be a lot of the, a lot of the rationale for what came next.
Because in August, Casetify was selling a series of skins far more like Teardown, in, in,
in which they were matching the internals of the phone that they were applied to.
Uh, there are some differences between what Casetify was selling and what dbrand was selling.
For instance, uh, Casetify's was more expensive.
That's a big, that's a difference.
That is a difference.
That is a major difference when it comes to purchasing decisions.
The, the, the image...
Maybe the increased cost means quality.
Yeah, I mean, look...
I want the best one.
I want the best one too, and when I, and when I go for the best one,
I am looking for the one that is blurrier.
That's what I want.
That says quality to me.
Because, think about, like, on your TV.
Do you leave the sharpness at default?
Or do you turn it down?
You turn the sharpness way down.
Dude.
One hundred percent.
That's the first thing I do with a TV.
I turn off any kind of motion compensation,
and then I turn the sharpness way down.
And then for good measure, I like to take a little dollop of Vaseline, okay?
Petroleum jelly, and I give that a good smear all over the screen.
It's like free anti-aliasing.
When I save something in paint.net, quality to the bottom.
A hundred percent.
If I have a JPEG on the internet, I want it posted at least 50 times before I see it.
Well, look, the thing is, Luke, the thing is, Luke,
I don't even think you're taking this seriously right now.
Because there's no way that that would be your process.
If you're like me, first you would set the quality to the bottom.
Then you'd save it.
You'd open that file again.
You'd drag the slider down.
See.
I've got a lot to learn.
I am.
This is why I'm still able to mentor him.
Yes.
I'm out here grinding, but I still got ways to go.
So, Casetify, the main differences were that there's lower quality,
lower image quality and cost more.
And also, they were missing some of D-Brand's Easter eggs and hidden in-jokes.
Examples of these in-jokes were strings of characters like R0807,
which is robot in leet speak, essentially.
What a giveaway.
Part of D-Brand's whole shtick is that the company is run by robots or whatever.
Spoiler, it's not.
But it's a cool branding thing that they do, and it's kind of neat.
So, you can see right here, blurrier and definitely still present.
You will not find this string of characters on any real phone ever.
However, what's really damning about this is that some of D-Brand's in-jokes and Easter eggs were removed.
So, that is an indication that Casetify knew what they were doing.
They just didn't know what they were doing very well.
So, another great example is this right here.
This is the original D-Brand skin.
Glass is glass and glass breaks.
Remember, this is a collaboration with Zach from JerryRigEverything.
That's a thing he says all the time, just like light scratches at 6, blah, blah, etc., 7, etc.
Over here on Casetify, we see, yep, it almost just looks like they downloaded the image off of D-Brand's website,
printed it, and then, yeah, forgot to scrub it for this.
They seem to have added their own QR code here.
So, they've made obvious changes.
Okay, so this said subscribe.
See, they caught this.
They caught the subscribe.
Yeah.
They replaced that with a Casetify Easter egg, but what they missed was the digits 111111,
which, as D-Brand points out, is the founding date of, you guessed it, D-Brand.
Why would Casetify have 111111 on their product unless they were just trying to shout out their competitor?
Yikes.
Oh, hey, look at this.
D-Brand referenced us in their exhibits.
I'm exhibit D.
Why am I exhibit D, you fucks?
I want to be exhibit A.
No, I don't care.
So, this is interesting.
They've got a little Illuminati stupid pyramid because they're into that sort of thing.
You guys probably remember the pyramid PC that we built for them, and you can see that it's like...
It looks like it's crying on the Casetify one.
Yeah, it's broken, but it's definitely still there.
Man, it's amazing how low quality some of these are.
That is kind of wild.
That's rough.
So, this was part of the whole process of making these skins more than just a sticker.
And, yeah, D-Brand sells stickers.
Like, come on.
Realistically, sure.
Yeah, they're stickers, but they're good stickers.
They use authentic 3M vinyl.
You know, a lot of the old talking points.
You go back and look at, like, the old spots we used to do for them where we talked about, you know, the unique colors because they would purchase in large enough quantities that they could have exclusive colors or whatever else.
We talk about the use of authentic 3M vinyl so it sticks really well but doesn't leave a residue when you take it off.
All that good stuff.
And this process was part of making it not just a sticker, even if it is just a sticker,
but fun, you know, something that if you pay attention to the tech niche on YouTube, I think that's something that D-Brand does that people don't really give them enough credit for, is a lot of brands, when you engage with them, they want you to talk about their product.
They want you to pimp the product or whatever.
You know, obviously, everybody's out there buying advertising.
Why?
So that they can sell more shit, right?
Like, you know, D-Brand's no exception there.
But what is exceptional is that D-Brand actually, at a very, very high level within the company, cares about the tech space, follows tech creators.
Like, I will get questions following up about some video that had absolutely nothing to do with D-Brand that they didn't sponsor, that they were not involved in in any way and would have no desire to be involved in, but they're just curious because they thought it was a cool video or whatever.
And it's not the kind of thing that you can fake.
Like, trust me, as someone who has been bullshitted by every kind of agency person, you know, talking about how much I love your channel and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, okay, you know that this is not a makeup channel, right?
Like this.
Every comment they make about it is about like the last one or two videos.
Yes.
You can smell it a mile away.
And that's not the case with them, right?
So, it shows how little due diligence Casetify bothered to do here that they would not realize that this was a bad idea.
The fact that they found some of the Easter eggs and didn't think, uh-oh, we need to stop because we might have missed something and this is going to look pretty bad.
Just shows the brazen-ness of this.
Anywho, let's keep going.
According to Zach, his content getting stolen isn't new, but the difference is that Casetify is a billion dollar company.
This is according to recent comments from their founder.
I haven't actually seen the recent comments personally, but I have no real reason to distrust Zach at this point in my life.
I've done enough dealings with him that he seems from every interaction with him to be just completely a stand-up guy.
I respect him a lot.
Um, and he feels this needs to be met with legal action in order to act as a deterrent against this sort of thing happening again.
Dbrand and Zach are releasing a new x-ray skin to help fund the legal costs and Zach vows to use any money awarded to continue to invest in capacity as wheelchair manufacturing business.
Super cool.
Following the accusation, uh, Casetify has delisted their inside out, which are not tear down, uh, cases from their website.
And further, according to the LTT subreddit, let's go.
Uh, Casetify's x-ray case appears to have originated from iFixit.
Are you kidding me?
You didn't know about this?
No.
That's why I made the iFixit comment.
That is hilarious.
Yeah.
Yeah, iFixit has responded as well, by the way.
Oh, what'd they say?
Uh, I've got it on my screen right now.
Let's jump over here.
Okay, all right.
What do we got?
Dear Casetify, using stolen x-rays of phone internals doesn't make you a tech genius.
It makes you a copycat.
Nice!
Nice!
Oh, freaking roasted.
And Dbrand has the, the, the gif showing the, the image flip.
No way!
No way!
Yep.
Man.
Now, to be clear, if you were to x-ray the same phone, you would obviously end up with
a very similar image.
Yeah.
But the thing is, that's not similar.
It's exactly the same.
That's identical.
And it's under the wrong phone, right?
And you could have, you could have differences that are caused by a slightly different positioning
of the phone.
You could have differences that are caused, well, most, mostly, oh, you could have differences
that are caused by the x-ray machine that you're using.
There's no way that, that two separate shots would have exactly the same settings applied
to them.
Like, there's, there's some pretty.
The shading might even be a little bit different.
Like, it's, it's an exact copy.
It's too similar.
Too similar.
Oh, man.
This might just, man, this might be just the tip of the iceberg here.
Um, one Twitter user, apparently in Iran, reports that he bought another teardown ripoff
from Mahoot Leather, who are apparently the largest phone skin company in the country.
I would say good luck going after Mahoot Leather compared to going after Casetify.
Where's Casetify based?
Uh, what is his name?
MyRail?
I mean, compared to dbrand, they're not based at all, but.
Ah, got him.
Hey, got him.
MyRail in floatplane chat said, it's not identical to iFixit.
iFixit has a better quality image.
Well, yeah, that's the, okay.
It's identical in intent.
Very good.
Very good.
Yeah, I mean, I got, I got, I got to tell you guys, like, we've, we've, um, we've looked
into getting x-ray scans of devices before, and the, the equipment is not cheap.
No.
You are making a significant investment in order to, in order to obtain that imagery,
and if someone's just taking it from you, that's not cool.
Uh, so, yeah, where are these guys, where are these guys located?
Um, the contact page doesn't have it, which is never a good sign.
Uh, returns and exchanges.
Maybe they have, uh, an address.
Quick links.
Affiliate program.
Oh, for crying out loud.
Uh, okay.
What are you looking for on their site?
Oh, here we go.
Uh, founded October 1st, 2011, Hong Kong.
A thousand employees?
Wow.
That's, uh, well, um, good luck with that, K-Stify.
I think that, I, I actually have no idea what the difficulties will be like of going after
an overseas company like K-Stify.
Uh, being in Hong Kong, I don't know.
It could be, there could be some challenges, but I'm sure this is something that dbrand
has considered.
And realistically, um, I think that they end up with a huge W here regardless because this
has generated a ton of buzz.
I think it has created a lot of conversation around the legitimate innovation that dbrand
does in the space that I think people don't necessarily properly respect when there are
so many, well, it's kind of the same thing, products that exist, you know, everywhere from
Iran to Hong Kong to Canada.
Did I mention dbrand?
Our Canadian boys?
Yeah.
Have I mentioned that?
Did I mention that?
Okay.
All right.
Well, we've mentioned that now.
Um, and, and so I think that, I think they come out of this looking like the innovators
that they are.
I think they come out of this, uh, looking like the good guys, um, you know, doing the
work.
That's something that I think anybody can respect stealing the work, I think is a lot
harder to respect doing the work.
Like, okay.
I mean, look at all the controversy around react content, for example, some people are
going to defend it, but I think most people have kind of shifted their mindset to that.
If you are especially not contributing anything back to the original creator, you're basically
just a freeloader.
Um, whereas I don't think there has ever been any question that the original creators of
the content being reacted to should not be respected.
If you do the work, you deserve the respect.
And I think that's, uh, that's something where dbrand comes away looking really good as
well.
Um, I think it's, I think it's...
Someone in full plane chat, uh, Myson, Mikan, not sure, says Casetify has an NA branch, North
America branch, with the company, uh, which is located in LA.
Okay, that makes it...
That's go-after-able.
Yeah, that makes it a lot easier to go after.
Also, not that they should necessarily knee-jerk, although it looks pretty clear, but we'll still
see over time.
Um, but they, they do a lot of collaborations, not just with influencers.
They do collaborations with influencers.
If you scroll down on Casetify's website, Kylie Jenner, Joe Jonas, and Lauren.
Um, and then if you go up here, brands, Disney, Harry Potter, Disney, I don't know if Taylor
Moon is Disney or not, more Disney.
Do you know for sure that they just didn't go to Disney.com and download that logo?
They do have two of the same logo.
This is, this is not an infinitely scrolling list.
I can't press the right arrow.
They have Disney Princess twice.
What about Second Disney Princess?
Do they have anything else twice?
No.
At first I assumed it was just like a carousel, but it's, wow.
Okay, so what you're saying is this is a pattern of jank.
Yes.
That's pretty funny.
Oh no.
But yeah, Marvel, Disney, Evangelion, like there's, there's quite the range here.
Um, yeah.
I gotta wonder what, what partners think of this, if this, if this registers for them, like
I wouldn't want my brand anywhere near someone that was being sued for such a blatant, um,
such for, for such blatant copyright infringement, especially I'm someone like Disney.
I don't know.
Maybe I don't care.
Uh, but maybe I do.
I think I could be wrong here, but I think Disney has pulled out of stuff in the past.
Um, I have vague memories, but I don't remember what, so I'm not sure if it's real or not.
Um, but yeah, I don't know.
It's always interesting to see what happens around these situations.
Obviously you want to wait to see like, is it legit?
Looks pretty, you know, open and close on this one, but we'll see.
Um, but yeah, kind of rough.
Literally having like e-brand specific things on the product is like.
It's not a good look.
I don't know how you make it out of that one.
Now I got to be honest with you.
I've known about this for a while and it's been pretty hard for me to like.
Just sit on it.
Yeah.
Just be like sitting on it, waiting to waiting, waiting for it to drop.
But obviously this is, this is Zach's and D brand's party.
Uh, they needed to be the ones to, to break the news.
And I thought that Zach did a great job with the video.
And have you watched it by any chance?
I skimmed it very quickly.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't blame you.
I've been very busy this week.
He, he, he, it had kind of a slow and plodding pace, but you can tell that that was the intent.
If you watch the whole thing, which I have up until 11 and a half minutes when I, as Austin
Evans calls it, smelled blood in the water and realized that the video was over.
So I, I jumped off of it.
But I watched the first 11 and a half minutes or whatever it was.
And you know, it's not tailored to me.
Like he, there's certain points that he makes three times.
Um, and I, I prefer points to be made one time and I prefer people to talk a little bit
faster.
But what he did was he laid it out in such a way that if you sit there and dedicate 11
and a half minutes of your time, you will come away understanding his point, understanding
his point of view.
I think clearly recognizing that he is not the aggressor in this situation.
This is not because he's just like, uh, you know, a lawsuit, happy American or anything
like that.
That is, that is not the impression that I get either from the video or more importantly,
from my personal interactions with Zach.
And I think that's something he conveyed really well in the video.
And I think you come away with a really clear understanding of how black and white this situation
is.
If his video is anything, but a completely just out to lunch fabrication, it's bad.
I think it's, and it's not, it's clearly not.
I think the Wombo is really good.
Like his thumbnail is killer.
First of all, absolutely killer.
He looks like a Chad and the big, like robbed.
He always looks like that just fully blacked out text behind him is like just fantastic
thumbnail brings you in, but then the video isn't like this crazy bloodthirsty hype fest.
No, it's factual.
Yep.
It's controlled.
Yep.
And that's like, I think that combination was very, very good.
Anyways, anything else to say on the topic?
No, not really.
I, um, I think overall we've been, overall we've, we've been seeing a lot of creator
support for dbrand.
They actually messaged me that a handful of creators have already talked about this on
stream.
Apparently, um, let me have a look here.
I don't want to get this wrong.
I know Ludwig was in the list of people that have talked about it.
Um, XQC apparently talked about it.
Moist critical talked about it.
So the thumbnail, go watch the video.
You'll see.
No, do we, does this look like a react channel to you here?
Here, no, actually let, here, I got, I got to grab a snack.
You want to hit the bathroom.
Let's just put on, we'll put on Zach's video.
Chair stream it.
Yeah.
We'll just, we'll just peace for a little bit.
No, that's not how this works guys.
You got to go, you got to go watch the video.
All right.
You're on your own.
I got signed out of the dock.
So good luck, uh, case to fi, um, or yeah, better luck, better luck D brand.
I prefer D brand have good luck.
Um, I'd also prefer to, uh, do our merch message thing a little bit earlier in the show than
usual, Dan, if you don't mind before we jump into topic two, just because I've got to give
the people some updates on how merch messages are going to work today.
As you guys may or may not have noticed, it is black Friday and it is the blackest Friday
that we have ever had on LTT store.com.
That's right.
My friends, Luke, do you want to pull up the store on your laptop so that I can go ahead
and just rattle off everything we've got going on?
Yes.
Our solid color screwdrivers are just 59 99.
That is 33% off.
They are fantabulous and colorful.
Same great screwdriver available in a variety of colors.
I believe this is the first time you've been able to get a full size driver from us for
less than 69 99.
Nice.
You can buy a backpack and get a free windbreaker.
This is that one that you like.
Oh, wait, no, you love the three.
I do.
I do like this one.
Yeah.
So anyone else would have called this a rain jacket.
It's a super high quality coat.
It has all the like taping and waterproof materials that anyone else would call waterproof.
I'm just a picky boy and I refuse to call anything waterproof.
So it's a windbreaker.
It's a really, really nice jacket.
So you guys can get that for free.
If you pick up a backpack, wear them together, just pick your size and head to checkout.
That's a $120 value.
Uh, WAN hoodies are just $34.99.
Uh, WAN sweatpants were on sale.
Those are sold out.
Sorry.
You guys are going to need to move fast.
If you want to snag these deals, they're pretty much all limited quantities.
Our plaid flannels, Luke is not keeping up very well, but he's doing his best on his phone.
Our plaid flannels are just $19.99.
That is all colors and styles.
So we've got lots of different options.
You know how to use the site that you direct the development of.
Yeah.
There you go.
Um, our color block hoodies are just $19.99.
Uh, one of my personal favorites is the tech linked one.
I love that one.
Uh, up, up, down, down, down.
Oh no, nevermind.
That was in.
No, no, nevermind.
I was looking at something else.
What a guy.
Yeah, whatever.
Color block hoodie is $19.99.
Uh, we've got 25% off all colors of blank t-shirts.
So if you just really like the quality of our shirts and you don't really need logos all
over your stuff, then you can just pick up some blank t-shirts.
We've got a ton of different colors.
Uh, that's actually been the top seller today.
The blank t-shirts.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
They're already a pretty good price as it is.
So now they're 25% off.
We have $9.99 mystery desk pads.
Hey, there they are.
Color block hoodies.
Nice.
Uh, we have $9.99 mystery desk pads.
Those are 900 by 400 millimeters.
Um, a little hint for you guys.
Guys, it's possible that we had some leftover LTX designer series.
Oh, that makes sense.
That's where you would put mystery items.
It's possible.
Yeah.
I can't.
Maybe.
I don't, I don't know.
I can't guarantee.
For real.
I can't guarantee what it'll be, but it is possible that there might be something like
that in there.
Conrad made a collection for all the Black Friday deals and I just didn't read the button.
Nice.
There's a button in the top that shows you all the Black Friday deals.
Nick messaged me about that too.
Nice.
That makes sense.
Oh, hey look, Wag hoodie.
Wag hoodie on sale.
So you got to get the WAN hoodie and the Wag hoodie.
You guys can match.
Uh, we have 50% off circuit desk pads.
Uh, 33% off jerry rig knives.
We, uh, do in fact get these from Zach.
Uh, these are not just, uh, a picture of his knife that has been copy pasted onto our website.
And if you add an item to cart, uh, do you want to maybe throw a, throw a jerry rig, sort of
throw jerry everything knife in the cart and then head over to the cart.
The bonus bin has some pretty cool stuff in it today.
You can get all the usual things like sticker packs, but we also have beanies.
That's right.
My friends, you can add a beanie for free to your order.
Which Linus Pokemon do you want?
Yeah.
It's amazing how similar they all look.
These are all, these are not Photoshopped to different colors.
They look like that thing when you go to clothing stores that just reproduce where it's just
edited.
Nope.
Nope.
I'm just that consistent.
They are all slightly different.
Hey, that one's a little different.
Uh, we have some cute little bonus pins, bonus GPU, Christmas tree ornament.
There's a purple beanie, more beanies, bonus puzzle, the one piece puzzle.
Um, it has nothing to do with the, what is it?
An anime, a manga.
I can never remember the difference.
Probably both.
Sure.
Whatever.
It has nothing to do with that one piece.
It is just a wall decoration.
It's a puzzle.
That's just one piece.
It just looks like you did the puzzle.
Yeah.
So we, we had the, we had the die cut halfway through.
So you can just be like, yeah, look, I made this puzzle.
Yeah.
And I guess if, yeah, I guess if you really wanted to, you could really did, you could
dig through the rest of it.
I have no idea how it's packed to be perfectly honest with you.
I don't, I don't remember how we solved that problem.
Anywho.
Now there is one more thing that we are supposed to talk about and that is Sarah's new shirt
design that is apparently a launch specifically for WAN show.
Luke, did you, did you find that?
It's something to do with this thing that is on our desk.
No, I didn't.
You told me not to look for it.
Well, no, I told you, look at it during the show.
Oh, here it is.
Oh, there's a shirt and a hoodie.
Whoa.
You could get a hoodie.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
So we're on Luke's screen now.
Okay.
So you want to see the 15.
Oh yeah.
It's our birthday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
LTT is 15.
One year until it can drive.
Oh, that's cool.
That is pretty cool.
Okay.
So it's 15 hexagons.
Cause those are the very best gons.
Uh, do you mind zooming?
Oh yeah.
Maybe.
And we have, oh, this is so cool.
So Sarah did a design stream and I guess she took feedback from viewers for what they should
be.
Um, so we've got top left Langley house, original kitchen set.
Actually.
That's pretty good.
Great.
Yeah.
Great representation.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's basically like she took a picture of it and pasted it onto our shirt.
That's crazy.
Um, yeah.
There's a sponsor segue.
Love it.
Pretty good.
Uh, bread, strawberry and turnip.
Yep.
Yep.
All we got all the, all the fruits.
The turnip callback is like, that's pretty legit.
People wanted a fire truck, a fire pole, also a C on the truck for fire Colton.
Wow.
That there's so many layers to that meme hexagon right there.
Wow.
Yeah.
Uh, all the channels, shows and brands that came after LTT is the next one.
So we've got WAN, short circuit, float plane, Mac address, tech link, tech quickie and game
linked.
Very nice.
Very nice.
Missing, uh, float plane.
No.
Oh wait, no.
No, that's there.
Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, channel super fun.
Where the f**k is channel super fun?
That's not the only one.
Nowhere.
Oh, hold on.
Well, LMG clips doesn't count.
Ah, it's still one more.
Oh, oh, oh.
Rip carpool critics.
You were never loved that much.
In all, in all seriousness though, it actually like the people who found it loved it.
Oh yeah.
And the, the, the, a couple episodes that I listened to back when they were kind of figuring
out the style for it and everything.
I actually really enjoyed it.
I think they did a great job of it.
I think it's just not our wheelhouse.
And the podcasting space is like way oversaturated.
It's super competitive.
Yeah.
Uh, Oh, number six.
What do you think six is?
Don't look.
Don't look.
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't.
Okay.
So the, the one with the, the saw and the hammer.
Scrapyard Wars.
Oh yeah.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Uh, we got socks and sandals and a drop to GPU.
The original Linus tech tips opening branding stolen from Tom Arnold.
Very nice.
Very, not that Tom Arnold, Tom Arnold, the artist at NCIX.
And to be clear, he actually reproduced this for us, uh, very recently.
I, I didn't expect him to do that.
I asked him, do you have the original artwork by, by chance?
And without prompting, buddy was like, no, but I remade it for you.
I was like, Oh, you don't have to do that, Tom.
That's really nice.
But you really didn't have to do that, but it's done now.
Thank you so much.
Um, number nine, eggshell.
Love it.
That got a whole tile.
Wow.
Really?
Okay.
Okay.
So this is another combo one.
What, what's, what's the combo next to the eggshell?
Okay.
So the cat ears thing, but then is that also, that's like the, the intro, the intro with
the smiley face, which, but it has the like music behind it.
So I'm assuming it's a reference to that song.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got all of it.
I don't remember the name of the song.
Okay.
What about 11?
What's that?
11.
So that's this one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, 69 degrees.
Nice.
This, the tubing's in a particular shape.
Yes.
What's it cooling?
It's clearly water cooling.
Is it supposed to represent, is that like a roof?
Is this whole room water cooling?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got there.
Yep.
Got there.
And the next one's pretty obvious.
Yeah.
All the, all the, all the lands, um, whale land Highlander.
I have to admit, I haven't looked at this one yet.
I am not sure what is on fire.
Uh, it's something.
I know the next two after that, but this one.
Something on fire.
Hot takes.
Like, does it have something to do with hot takes?
Oh no.
It's the roast.
Oh.
But I mean, you know what?
I actually like your double interpretation of it.
That's pretty good.
The roast makes sense though.
Cause it's a coffee bean on fire.
I get it now.
It's just meant to be some of the, some of the noteworthy things that have happened over
the last 15 years.
Super cool.
Uh, so did a great job.
Uh, massive, massive, a assist.
Sorry, an A doesn't sound that great.
Massive assist to the community for, uh, helping her out with the stream.
That's, that's really cool.
Thank you so much.
You guys.
Oh, the fact that it comes in a pink shirt is actually kind of rad.
Oh, what do you got?
It comes in pink.
Oh, that actually makes a ton of sense.
Yeah.
It's actually pretty cool.
That's the one I would want.
I think, I think the, the pink shirt is the like canonically correct shirt.
I don't know.
But of course, if we need a black one, we'll just, we'll just print.
Yeah.
There's always a, we'll just print you a black shirt because we know that's what you want.
All right.
It's just not correct to the original novel.
That's all.
Um, all right.
So why don't we, why don't we jump in?
Oh, oh, right.
We're supposed to do a couple of merch messages.
Yeah.
Fancy.
Yeah.
Cool.
Uh, so merch messages.
I probably don't have to tell most of you how they work, but Hey, we don't do super chats.
We don't do Twitch bits.
We do merch messages because that way, even if we don't get to your merch message, you'll
still get your awesome products in the mail.
Can I read them out that way?
Dan, can you check your team's messages?
Oh, okay.
You guys are apparently working on this.
I will, I will read one of these curated ones out though.
I really like this first one.
Uh, I'm going to broadcast it.
What is the worst game that you've ever played?
Either funny, bad or actually bad.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Worst game I've ever played.
Well, it had to be one of the ones that we played when we did that.
Uh, when we did that gaming night where we bought the cheapest games on steam, like one
after the other, there was that prison fight simulator.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That was a really bad game.
I still remember the name of a lot of, of a lot of those games.
We still play some of those games.
Barrow.
Barrow.
Let's go Barrow.
Barrow prison fight simulator.
We played that one where we threw rocks at each other.
Threw rocks at each other.
What was, oh, uh, okay.
I don't remember that one, but I remember hoops, which kind of fun, actually.
Yeah.
A lot of them were like, or hooping, hooping fun in their own weird ways.
Uh, hooping.
Hold on.
Oh, no, no, no.
Hooping steam.
No grapple hoops.
No, no, no.
Okay.
What was it called?
I thought it was called.
Oh no.
Basketing.
That's what it's called.
I think that's correct.
Basketing.
It's a dollar 23 Canadian.
So this is a one, this is a one us dollar game.
And basically you're a little ball and you try to put, well, you try to basket it.
It's like extremely bad rocket league basketball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
It's actually, it's actually kind of fun.
It's, it's legitimately.
For the amount of money that it costs.
Yes.
It was worth it to me.
It is well worth the cost of admission.
I had a good enough time to pay that fee.
Yeah.
I would, I would actually strongly recommend if you're, if you, if you and the gang are
kind of bored and you're just like, oh yeah, I don't know.
What do you want to play?
I don't know.
What do you want to play?
Look up the absolute cheapest online co-op games on steam.
A lot of it'll be trash.
Remember that one that was basically just a tutorial.
Like it was like a game creation tutorial that we, that someone just uploaded to steam.
That was lame.
That was probably the worst game that I've ever played.
Yeah.
It was like an FPS, but I don't really.
If I remember correctly, it was like a unity game development tutorial that someone did basically
nothing to beyond the tutorial and then.
Uploaded to steam.
Yeah.
And we bought it.
Yeah.
For like 30 cents or something.
Yeah.
It was basically nothing.
Like it was, it's a very, very, very small outlay, but it was really fun.
Really, really fun.
Just playing these super janky, random, random games.
My, my favorite answer for this has always been, uh, the 2009 first person shooter, just
amazing, stunning game that you've definitely heard of called rogue warrior.
Um, I played this when I was at university and, uh, I thought the voice lines in this game
were so hilariously unhinged that I ended up playing it on speakers and my roommates just
kind of like sat around and listened while they did other things.
And we just laughed at everything.
Uh, Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Uh, it definitely doesn't deserve any rating better than that.
It's not a good game.
Um, it's just really funny.
Um, if I remember correctly, rogue warrior is based off of a book.
Um, okay.
Let me see.
Rogue warrior book.
Yeah.
And this guy, I didn't know this until way after I played the game.
I saw the game on some crazy sale.
Um, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, so this, this game is based off of a book called rogue warrior that was written by,
uh, what is his name?
Richard Marcinko, Richard Marcinko, I think is the voice actor.
No, he's the writer.
I think he might also be the voice actor.
I don't remember what it is, but the lines, the lines in the game are hilarious because
they're just like so crazy.
It's been a really, really long time since I played it.
Um, but yeah, it turns out that this guy was like, uh, he was one of the members of,
uh, some, some military thing in the States called red cells where they used to, uh, run
attacks on American military bases to like find vulnerabilities.
Like he was like really hardcore and then he got like, I don't know, he got in trouble
for like some crazy stuff and then wrote a book called rogue warrior.
Then it turned into this game and it's just wild.
Got it.
Yes.
So yeah, Joe, yeah, that guy.
It's nuts.
Um, don't go into it expecting a good game.
Only play it.
If you can find bad games with hilarious voice lines, entertaining, that's it.
Okay.
Got it.
Sounds good to me.
Way overly hyper aggro at all points in time.
What?
Look at this anonymous.
This is a block of text so that Dan has to read because of the LGT store sale.
Good response, Dan.
I love it.
Yeah.
We're getting a few merch messages today.
Um, I'm going to need you to read them to each other today.
At least for this one.
That's fine.
Uh, there.
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
Oh no.
Oh wow.
The dashboard page took a long time to load.
Yeah.
The longer, the larger, the larger the number gets, the slower it goes.
So the merch message per minute counter is at 15, 16.
Holy s**t.
It just popped up to seven, 18.
I mean, what the actual f**k is going on here.
Okay.
Next question.
What are your thoughts on the future of Threadripper?
I already got burned on the first gen 1950X with basically no real upgrade path and motherboards
that keep dying.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
One of our topics for the show this week is actually Threadripper.
So I'll answer your question first and then I guess we'll get into Threadripper because
I think they're going to be kind of related.
I don't know.
AMD has been so inconsistent in their support for the Threadripper platform.
You identified one of the problems going from first gen Threadripper to second gen Threadripper.
However, the core counts went up substantially.
So all of a sudden the VRMs for some of those first generation boards were not designed for
these new processors, particularly if you were going to really push them with multi-core
workloads.
Then things really hit the fan with Threadripper 3000 where AMD effectively admitted that the
original Threadripper platform was not sufficient, released a new platform, but said, no, no,
but this time, this time we're going to support it.
There's going to be an upgrade path.
Rug pull.
We got nothing.
Threadripper 3000 never got a mainstream upgrade.
Instead, you had to go Threadripper Pro, which you guessed it, got an entirely new socket
and platform.
So that's four generations of Threadripper.
I'm talking 1000, 2000, 3000, they skipped 4000 and then 5000.
So these four generations of Threadripper, three platforms and Threadripper 5 was only Threadripper
Pro.
So now we get Threadripper 7000, yet another new platform.
That is five generations of CPUs, four platforms.
Intel at their worst would give you two generations of CPUs per platform.
AMD is giving us 1.25.
That is a terrible, terrible track record.
With all of that said, with all of that said, who cares?
Threadripper 7000 is awesome.
And our review of it, I think, has a pretty intentional tone.
We are tired of being just sort of cynical all the time.
I think that it's exhausting for our team.
I think it's exhausting for the audience.
And what we want to do going forward is we want to get back to our roots, which for us,
for me and the rest of the writing team is just being excited about technology.
And so if that means covering something that is super expensive and makes absolutely no
f***ing sense whatsoever, but is really cool, then we're just going to do it.
But in a different way than we might have done it in the past.
Like before, we'd just do like, holy s***, look at this thing.
Whereas now, I mean, yeah, we've got the labs team to support it.
So let's do a review.
Let's review Threadripper 7000.
But I don't want to get bogged down in, yeah, this thing makes no sense and no one should buy it.
And you know what?
All of that might be true.
But what we always did in the past, and I think we kind of lost track of it at some point,
was we let you guys make that call.
So sure, we do draw some conclusions in the video.
But for the most part, we stick to the script.
We go, here's what it is.
Here's how it did well.
Here's where it did not so well.
And we think there are some challenges here.
But at the end of the day, this is up to you to decide if you guys think that this is the kind of thing that you would like.
However, what we've discovered is that not a lot of you are very interested in it.
And honestly, I don't know what this means for the high-end desktop as a segment.
Like, when it went away, when AMD didn't bother refreshing Ryzen Threadripper 3000,
I kind of went, well, this sucks because now all of a sudden my choices are mainstream processors,
which at this point have plenty of cores, but might not have the RAM support,
certainly not more than dual-channel RAM, but even capacity,
might not have the RAM support that I would want for a prosumer workload,
like video editing, for example, or running a small home lab where I might have a lot of virtual machines running.
I need a lot of CPU cores, but I'm not doing anything serious on it,
so I don't need a Threadripper Pro.
I don't need an Epic.
And in some cases, Epic doesn't even make any sense because the TDPs are so low,
the clock speeds are so low, and they don't support overclocking,
those enthusiast features that tinkerers like to play with, right?
Um, so I, I was, I was upset when all, when Threadripper went away because it filled this niche perfectly,
but then it went away for a generation and now it's come back and it's like stronger and more powerful than ever,
but in a way that doesn't make any sense anymore.
Like it's got all the cores.
It's got support for, I believe it's up to a terabyte of memory on the non-pro,
on the like consumer Threadripper skews.
But that's the thing is Threadripper never needed that.
That was never the point of Threadripper.
It was supposed to be a little bit hamstrung.
Oh yeah, the other thing Threadripper's always had is lots of PCIe lanes.
You'd want to have a bunch of storage devices,
or you'd want to have a bunch of peripherals connected to your system.
You don't want them going through PCIe switches.
Threadripper was the way to go.
It was a PCIe switch and the new ones have all of that,
but they're at this price that just doesn't make any sense.
Like here, let's, okay.
It's Black Friday, right?
Let's go on newegg.com and search for a Threadripper motherboard.
Here we go.
Goodness gracious.
Yeah, and then the Pro chips came out and they were even more ridiculous.
There's the 96 core for, I don't know, a cool 10 grand.
Okay, where's the motherboard?
Here we go, here we go.
Yeah.
Actually, that's not as bad as I thought.
Yeah, okay.
That's a board whose pricing I was familiar with.
That's $1,000 for a motherboard.
This is not even .ca, is it?
This is Threadripper Pro, though.
Hold on, hold on.
Okay, so regular Threadripper.
Here's a, oh man.
Yeah, you're on the American side.
Then there's American dollars.
Yeah.
Hold on, hold on.
Where's the, yeah, here we go.
Threadripper Pro.
Oh man, the stupid chipsets this time.
So they've got the Workstation chipset.
We didn't even get into this in the video,
because it's just like, realistically, no one's buying this shit.
Who cares?
But they've got two chipsets for the same socket.
And then the Pro chipset supports only the Pro chips.
But the non-Pro chipset supports the non-Pro chips and the Pro chips.
But the Pro chips are kneecapped because they support more memory channels,
but these boards don't.
I believe they support more PCIe lanes, but these boards don't.
So there would be kind of no point buying a non-Pro board and putting a Pro chip in it.
But I, I mean, it's all obviously artificially locked down at that point.
You could, Intel has done it.
Although that was a mess.
I shouldn't say artificially locked down.
It probably makes sense to lock down those,
those Pro tier boards from having the non-Pro chips in them,
because you would have features that just don't work.
Slots that just don't work.
Remember when Intel had those HEDT,
those HEDT chips that like some of them had X number of PCIe lanes and some of them had X plus whatever.
And so you'd put these chips into a board and you'd have this like complicated block diagram
for like which slots didn't work or which ones operated at half speed when you had a certain kind of chip in it.
That's fun.
Anyway, my, my point is the 64 core Threadripper non-Pro.
Let me see if I can find it.
Here we go.
So the Pro is $73.49 on Newegg.
And the non-Pro 64 core is $5,000.
By the time you are spending $5,000 on a chip,
presumably, this is not enthusiast tier anymore.
Remember when Intel launched Extreme Edition?
Yeah.
And it was like $1,000 for a CPU?
Have you lost your f***ing minds?
Outlandish.
Yeah.
They were actually very mad.
Like, don't forget, you still have to buy the rest of this computer.
Yeah.
Have you lost your minds, right?
Yeah.
This is $5,000 for a chip.
That is not, that's not consumer pricing.
That's not prosumer pricing.
That's not enthusiast pricing.
That's, that's just nothing.
That is, that is business pricing.
That is, I am making money with this machine pricing.
That's microtransaction gamer pricing.
And so at that point, and I kind of made this point in the video,
what's the difference?
You might as well just spend the extra two grand on the Pro one
that has the extra security features.
It has the additional memory bandwidth.
It has the additional PCIe lanes.
What I'm going to spend, I'm going to spend,
there's no way, there is no way that you are configuring a Threadripper,
you know, high core count system here,
and you're walking away with a cart that's less than 10 grand,
not even close.
And so by the time you're spending 10 grand on this professional workstation,
presumably, that you're going to make money with,
you're going to spend the extra two grand.
You're going to get the proper one because, of course you are.
If you wanted something that was good enough,
you would have just gotten a Ryzen 7950X3D and been done with it.
It's 16 cores.
It already does what you do.
No offense.
Multiple of them.
Yeah.
And if it doesn't do what you do,
then you might as well get the good one.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
So I just don't understand.
It just seems like a nothing product for nobody.
And it sucks because Threadripper used to be really cool.
Yeah.
You know, like that was, that was...
OG Threadripper was like a vibe.
It was AMD's nod to the community that had supported them for all these years,
continuing to buy their processors, even though they totally sucked.
It was like an actual, hey, this thing doesn't make any sense.
But here you go.
You're welcome.
Thanks for your support.
Like, I actually don't think there was a huge profit motivation behind Threadripper
because it's pretty obvious as time has gone on that those kinds of chips would...
Any fab time they have to build those kinds of chips would be better allocated to server chips.
And they hadn't built up much market share in the server space at that time.
So I guess it kind of made sense to just ship them as Threadrippers.
But the second it did make sense for them to just build Epix or build workstation chips,
AMD completely forgot about us and was like, yeah, I don't know, f*** it.
If you want to spend five grand for a CPU, then I guess you can have it.
But I don't know, man.
I'm not into it.
I don't think that you're being that cool about it.
Of course, as we know, no company is your friend.
AMD is not your friend.
Intel is not your friend.
NVIDIA is super not your friend.
And, you know, the second they can charge more for something, they will.
And what we need is competition.
What we need is Intel to get their head in the game in the HDT space, come after Threadripper.
But the problem is that...
Coming after Threadripper is like...
Honestly, probably kind of a waste of their time.
Like, I think AMD is going to sell so few of these things, because the pricing is out to lunch and makes no sense, that Intel might not even identify it as something worth competing with.
Man, like, OG Threadripper was so cool.
I seriously doubt they do.
I built a video...
There was so much hype around it.
A video recording server for that badminton center.
Remember that?
Yeah.
During the COVID lockdowns, I wanted to watch my son's tournaments.
And so I set up his local badminton center with these SDI cameras on every court.
And then we had it all...
Brian, the electrician, and I actually wired it all up.
And I set them up with a system that was capable of processing all those video streams.
And I had to be able to do more than just the five for the five courts, because I had to be able to encode both for the stream and for the local recording,
in case they wanted to look back through it with the kids and, you know, go through, like, analysis of the gameplay and coaching and that kind of stuff, right?
So I needed to be able to handle 10 concurrent video encodes.
And doing that with a GPU, that is totally a possibility.
Doing that with a CPU, that is totally a possibility.
Guess what is the best solution in either of those cases?
Honestly, I was reading chat for a second.
Threadripper.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I got a couple...
At that time, it was a couple-generational Threadripper.
I picked up a 1950X, which is like 16 cores.
It was a lot of frigging cores.
It was the best solution for actually a lot of stuff at that time.
And it was very exciting.
People were stoked when they heard that someone was doing a Threadripper project.
And more importantly, the 1950X had a ton of PCIe, so whether I wanted to put a couple GPUs in there, I could do that.
Whether I wanted to do some CPU encoding, you know, maybe on...
Okay, this is like the showcase court where they put, like, you know, the semis and the finals and stuff like that.
You know, we could have a nicer encoding quality on that one.
Better quality, yeah.
You know, right?
I could do some CPU encoding as well.
It gave me so much flexibility.
And those things were affordable because they were affordable from the get-go.
And because AMD was doing so much and innovating so much when it came to adding core counts, when it came to delivering upgraded newer CPUs that had all this PCIe on them.
And, I mean, nowadays, you go and you try and find, like, a 3970X Threadripper, and they are outlandishly expensive still.
I was able to pick up that 1950X for next to nothing because AMD was still innovating, and they were still shipping much better processors.
Now, you're expected to pay $1,300, $1,600.
Oh, that's a combo.
But you're expected to pay over $1,000 for one of these bloody chips because Intel just stopped.
Intel? AMD just stopped.
Yeah, see, I got them confused because they're behaving the same.
AMD just stopped innovating.
And I don't count, yeah, we made it twice as fast, but it can now cost twice as much.
I don't count that as innovating.
Who do you think you are, NVIDIA?
Like, I just, it's frustrating.
And I guess that's all I have to say about that.
$300,000 for $7,000.
Super cool as an enthusiast who doesn't have a budget.
Am I going to put one in my computer?
I mean, yeah, I got to heat my pool somehow.
But, but would I actually recommend that anyone buy one?
No.
No, I don't think so.
There's, it's interesting because you, you took that merch message so far that you actually
did an entire topic that is in the doc.
I know.
I told them I was going to do that.
You were busy on your phone.
Oh, that makes sense.
It's okay.
I'll just host a show myself today.
I fixed it if that helps.
Oh, good.
Good job.
What was I going to say?
We have one more.
We have one more to do.
All right.
15 years of LTT.
Let's go.
Yeah, let's go.
What is something you wish.
15 more.
Could be brought back from somewhere in the last 15 years to now.
You know, I was going to say really wacky case designs, but I almost feel like they've
leveled up.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure how to take this necessarily.
Like, is this something from LTT or is this something from the industry?
I don't know.
I'm going to, I'm going to.
You can play it however you want.
Yeah.
I'm going to play it kind of loose here.
Yeah.
Brought back from the last 15 years to now.
Man, I, I wish that, I wish that core unlocking was still a thing.
Remember those crazy MSI, like copper shrouded gold edition GPUs, like NVIDIA used to do wild
stuff.
Sometimes AMD used to do wild stuff sometimes where they would just to create product segmentation.
They would, they would, they would manually lock off cores or, or because they didn't hit their
internal power draw or thermal targets or whatever, they would, they would fuse off cores on GPUs
or CPUs.
Um, but enterprising users would figure out how to unlock them.
And in, in the case of that particular GPU, I think the unlock rate was like over 50%.
So you could turn this like hobbled GPU into a full fat one.
If you were willing to just give it a little bit more beans.
And it had this like great copper shroud on it, um, that was able to handle the cooling.
No problem.
Um, I'm going to see if I can find it.
A lot of people are saying GPU prices.
Yeah.
That's probably the like, um, what do you want for the world, world peace type of answer
where it's just like objectively correct.
Recognize this.
Yeah.
This is my video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course.
So it could unlock to a four 70, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Today we are four 65 copper.
All copper.
Twin frozen golden edition.
Yeah.
Oh, whoops.
The twin frozen cards used to be so sick.
You can really tell where the cool stuff is going to happen right here.
Right there.
There it is.
Oh yeah.
Here, here.
Wait for the copper.
Wait for the copper.
Here it is.
Man.
All copper coolers.
Okay.
Yeah.
All copper coolers is another thing I would bring back.
Apparently thermal, right.
Just did like a throwback all copper cooler recently.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Look at this.
I just got it in my lap.
Yeah.
Man.
Filming outside, dude.
What a professional.
What a professional.
Look at this thing.
That thing is sick.
Hold on.
Where's the theater mode?
Yeah.
Right.
There you go.
Oh yeah.
Oh, twin frozen.
Man.
It looks so good.
Linus, can you hold it still for like three seconds?
I'm trying to look at all the sexy copper heat pipes.
Look at that thing.
And you could unlock it for like extra CUDA cores or whatever.
Run that thing in SLI.
Let's go.
I think I, yeah.
Okay.
GPU prices.
Sure.
I agree.
Um, but to throw a little bit of a curve, I I'd say just overclocking in general.
Sure.
It's like not really that much of a thing anymore.
And I, I think the, the experience of building a computer, a lot of it used to be like, okay,
tuning, you, you did all the research, you bought all the parts, you got them all home,
you put them all together.
Now you got to make it really work.
You know?
I mean, I do like things being a little easy sometimes when I'm in a hurry.
Um, yeah, but that's because you do it for work.
Oh, four days ago, thermal rate, uh, announced this.
Wait, that's new.
Yeah.
This is brand new.
So this is like a throwback.
Um, that looks awesome.
In fact, I believe this part number is even very similar to one of their old all copper
coolers.
This looks sick.
Oh, it's great.
Um, but yeah, I actually, I don't agree.
I think when things get too easy, they get boring.
I think you're, I think you're being the Linux community right now.
Sure.
All right.
Well, we're on the same page then.
Windows is boring.
Yeah, that's fair.
Fortunately for me, I actually want Windows to be boring.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fair enough.
But I don't want my computer to be boring.
I see.
Yeah.
If I'm actually interested in the thing, I want it to be kind of bad.
Cause then it's more fun.
If I'm not interested in the thing, I want it to be great.
Cause I don't want to ever need to think about it.
All right.
Well, my brain hurts.
Um, good stuff.
Uh, what are we, what are we supposed to be doing?
Uh, Dan sounds stressed.
You doing okay over there, Dan?
We're getting a few merch messages today.
Did you set it to no delay?
So they just go or like, uh, yeah.
Uh, how are we doing here?
Hey, we're down to, you know what?
It's getting a little bit more manageable now.
I think.
Have you seen?
Here, hold on.
No, I mean, that's only a 13 merch messages per minute now.
It's pretty good.
I mean, I look, I didn't say manageable.
I said more manageable.
Yeah.
Right.
It's so slow.
It's so laggy.
Yeah.
The poor dashboard is struggling under the weight.
I, I, you know, I kind of thought that after we did a stream already today, there wouldn't
be nearly as much merch message momentum going into WAN show, but I underestimated the WAN
show audience.
It was fine until you like explained it.
And then I got 200.
I was on top of it for like the first 45 minutes when we did 200.
Right.
And then came the hundos.
Uh-huh.
Yep.
Now we're in it.
Now we're, now we're in it guys.
We're in it.
We're in it to win it.
We're in it to win it.
What is MMPS?
That's not merch messages per second.
Oh, merch messages that have arrived in the last second.
So if that number goes above one, then that's a little scary.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Got it.
Okay.
I need to go now.
Goodbye.
Occasionally it, um, it moves pretty fast.
Cool.
Uh, all right.
Hey, Sony patents save states.
Now, hold on a second.
That's not quite what they did.
Yeah.
Cause it sounds like the worst thing ever.
The sources, Insider Gaming and Kotaku.
This month, Sony filed a patent that would allow, and this is a quote, users to track
back through a campaign and select a specific moment in time without needing to replay entire
chapters or the whole game.
The patent titled content streaming with gameplay launch shows that gameplay, this is all quote
that gameplay sequences would be split up into sub chapters complete with trigger points that
players can select from.
How is this different?
It's different because rather than using predetermined chapter breaks, it appears the game data will
be used.
The game data will be used to bookmark specific interest points like a boss fight or an achievement.
This just sounds like quick saves.
What?
Like if you have a game that quick saves, when you like go through doors, fight bosses, and
in this case also get achievements, which I've heard of all of them except for get achievements,
but I'm sure some game has that because why not?
I don't know.
Then is this not the same thing?
You just keep all of them instead of them overriding themselves.
I was kind of hoping...
There'd be something there.
Yeah, you game more than me, but I was kind of hoping that maybe you would have some kind
of light to shut up because when I heard this, basically all I heard was Sony patented save
states.
So that headline is from me.
Yeah.
That was when I...
I think I actually sent this to the news team last week because this is a last week
topic.
I just thought it was wildly funny that A, Sony would think to patent this and B, that
anyone would think it makes any sense to grant a patent around a method of saving your game.
Is it actually granted?
Like they have this patent?
Oh no, filed.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Yeah, because there's like...
To imagine that anyone would grant a patent for this.
There's no way because it's not...
Like when you were first describing it, I was like, oh wow.
So they mean you can effectively...
Like you know in racing games where you can rewind?
Sure, like a rewind.
I was like, they mean you could rewind the whole game?
I was like, that's actually kind of crazy.
And then it's just like, no.
It just quick saves and we just keep the quick saves instead of overriding the quick saves.
The Insider Gaming article about this is kind of positive about it.
What?
Says, this will be a huge win for content creators, for example.
Do you want to make a video showcasing how to defeat a particular boss?
Well, with this new feature, you can jump straight to that fight.
He's so upset.
Without needing to tailor a save around it or play the game up to that point.
Which might be several hours at least.
Are you drunk?
Like, have you ever played a video game before?
What are you talking about?
Was this written by AI?
Now there are some cool things about it.
These trigger points, these like save points,
will be offered to the player while they stream media.
Watching back through gameplay,
which they'll be able to select at will.
So I think if there is some room for innovation here,
like a better save point browser.
Like that's something that many games do a terrible job of.
Whether it's auto saves that are only one.
So if you didn't manually save for a while, right?
And you've only got one auto save.
If you go through a door in a dire situation with one HP and there's an enemy there,
you basically effectively create a non-progression bug.
Game broken, yeah.
Yeah, right?
Like there's, oh man, the fact that not every game has a screenshot of what that save is,
that blows my mind.
The screenshots are very useful.
So if Sony is creating a system-wide system for this,
so that every game on PlayStation just automatically allows you to pick up anywhere that you leave off,
and really, really easy browsing of these points where you can, you know,
use their hyper-fast SSD or whatever to load up, you know,
like a metadata version of rendering through the gameplay.
So, okay, I'm not saying I think any of this is patentable.
I'm just saying there's a lot of room for innovation here,
and a patent is not the way to push that forward.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
There's even games that allow infinite save files.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of them.
Lots.
So, effectively, what it sounds like Sony is kind of trying to patent
is a better way of browsing them.
Is it?
Where do they even talk about that?
That's my interpretation.
But they don't even talk about browsing them at all.
That's my interpretation.
No, no, they do.
They do.
They talk about browsing.
You could be watching through your gameplay.
Track back through a campaign.
And just be like, oh, yeah, that point, I want to play from there.
And just go.
So that's kind of cool.
Where do they say that?
Again, I don't think that's patentable.
No, no, no, no.
They talk about trigger points.
Yeah, trigger points.
Trigger points that you get to select from,
not watch through your gameplay.
Will be offered to the player while they stream media,
watching back through gameplay,
which they'll be able to select at will.
So it records all your gameplay.
Well, I think it would be more of like a recording the metadata of your gameplay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it can, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of like the rewind feature in a racing game.
But again, that exists.
Yeah.
It's called the rewind feature in a racing game.
Yeah.
So I really think they're going to have a hard time getting a patent granted for this.
But hey, if at least this starts the conversation around, it would be pretty nice.
If saving was better.
Yeah.
If saving was better and loading was better.
Yeah.
Then hey, maybe that's a, maybe that's a W.
If loading was better?
Yeah.
Like browsing and loading the correct save.
I mean, the number of times that I've loaded the wrong save, which I mean,
depending on the game can actually be a substantial time sink.
It's like, oh no, it wasn't that one.
Okay, hold on.
Maybe it was, maybe it was this one on that level.
I was trying to find something, right?
Some games you can't even load from inside the game.
So you have to exit to main menu and then search again.
It's just ridiculous.
Pretty annoying.
What else we got?
What do you want to talk about here?
You seem to be, you seem to be here now.
What would you like to discuss?
Sorry.
No, you're good.
You're good.
Folding month and prizing update?
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
Folding month has finished week three and the team has already doubled the performance from the,
Are you going to explain what folding month is for the uninitiated?
Folding month.
It's probably better explained on the forum, but the linustechtips.com forum has a, wow,
I typed two L's at the beginning of that.
Linus.
Linus.
There we go.
Uh, but yeah, there's a folding section and folding, folding at home, if you've never
heard of it, which honestly at this point is probably likely.
This used to be a thing that was like talked about a lot in computing spaces, but I don't
know if it is anymore.
Uh, but folding at home is a distributed computing project aimed to help scientists develop
new therapeutics for a variety of diseases by the means of simulating protein dynamics.
This includes the process of protein folding, which is where the name comes from and the
movements of proteins.
And it like actually looks kind of cool when you're doing it, but it uses a bunch of compute
power.
Um, it's like what people would do to run their computers pretty hard pre, pre coin mining.
Um, nice.
And it was more useful because it can actually help contribute to, uh, like curing diseases,
scientific research, cool stuff like that.
Yeah.
So here, boom, there we go.
Folding month, the sixth.
Yeah.
Remember first to December six, a bunch of community prizes, a bunch of LMG prizes.
Yep.
Steam codes, cool stuff like that.
Uh, uh, uh, LTT store.
Oh, wow.
We've got, uh, a hundred dollar LTT store gift cards.
20 of them.
Oh, we've got 20 of them.
Uh, some four terabyte SSDs.
Yeah.
We've got some good stuff.
So all you got to do is check out the link.
I think we should have it in the video description.
Um, and join up, join the folding team.
Let's add some more folding power.
Yeah.
All right.
What else do you want to talk about today?
Uh, there, well, there's a prizing update.
Sabrent is providing two Sabrent rocket four plus, uh, four terabyte G drives.
Uh, ubiquity is providing three prize packs of a U6 mess, uh, mesh access point and a switch
flex.
That is very cool.
Although the event is currently closed to new entrance, you can still join the event,
uh, and, and just help in general.
And you can keep an eye out for when we do it next time.
Uh, North Laker and Twitch chat says, just watched an LTT video where Linus said to warn
him on WAN show on 24th of November that he went to the wrong timeline.
It was the RX 6,700 video.
Well, based on that, that's still in that video, I guess your warning came too late.
I already went back in time to fix the problem or something.
I, I, we did a shtick in that video where, um, AMD's pricing was out of line and it was like
something, something, something future me, something comes back to tell me like, oh,
they dropped the price and it's way better now.
And like all this stuff.
But then I talked to actually talked about this on the stream earlier, but most of you
probably weren't there.
AMD kind of helped out consumers, but screwed us over by altering the pricing.
I think like 24 hours before embargo lift and they happened to change the pricing to within
$10 of what we predicted.
So we recorded our whole video with this bold prediction about what was going to happen after
AMD launched this overpriced, stupid GPU.
And before we even got a chance to launch it, AMD did exactly what we thought they were going
to do.
And so the, the whole intro and we had this thing where like someone comes back in time
and kills me or something.
I, it was like a whole thing.
We managed to salvage a lot of it, but the original cut of the video wouldn't have made
any sense with the new pricing from AMD that did make sense.
So, Hey, thank you for the warning.
I appreciate you.
All right.
Yeah.
Ubisoft embeds pop-ups, pop-up ads in old games.
Oh wow.
Now I've known about this because I play all these old Ubisoft games from time to time,
but it's usually just on like, you know, you load the game.
There's like the play options, settings, whatever.
It's usually just in the corner on that screen.
Very similar.
If you remember when we were talking about the Starfield UI back in the day and I was
like that logo in the corner, that's going to end up being an ad spot.
The reason why I called that out is because Ubisoft has been doing that for years.
So as a bunch of other games to be completely honest, Ubisoft is not alone.
in doing that at all.
But what's different this time around is that it wasn't just on that first screen.
Oh no.
There was multiple reports that Ubisoft was placing ads for their Black Friday sale.
In gameplay?
When people would like open the map and stuff, it would pop up then.
Really brutal.
Ubisoft claimed that the ads were meant to appear on the main screen and that they appeared during
gameplay due to a technical error.
Okay.
I mean, yeah.
Look, I mean, we've had, we've had our own instances of gross incompetence leading to
things that could have been perceived as negligent.
Or, okay, they were negligent, leading to things that could have been perceived as malicious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I'm not going to say that's impossible.
I'm also not going to say it's impossible that this was a little try-a thing.
Yeah.
My, my, my hot take on this is that I think it might actually be because I think those
old games don't exactly get a lot of love.
Right.
So, like, believing that.
So, like, believing that.
Them getting actual development versus the odds of them getting neglected.
Yeah.
So, somebody on high is just like, hey, we need this ad.
And somebody's like, sure.
Put it in everything.
Yeah.
Just, meh.
And someone hooked it into the wrong.
Probably didn't test it enough.
Didn't do something or other.
I don't know.
Um.
Yeah.
That, that's, I, uh, yeah.
The, the discussion question is like, what kind of technical error would specifically open
a pop-up ad when a player opens their map?
Hmm.
And it's like, yeah, I don't know.
There's a lot of weird bugs.
Yeah, you'd be amazed.
Yeah.
Um.
I, I don't blame people for reacting that way.
I don't blame people for thinking that.
But, things get a little weird.
Like, I saw a really interesting, uh, interview with one of the, one of the developers of Left
for Dead, who is working on his own game right now.
Apparently, he's no longer with Valve.
But, um, he talked about how the gameplay experience might have been good in Left for
Dead 1.
But, see, I never understood why Left for Dead 2 was just Left for Dead 1, but with more
maps.
And, apparently, the reason is that, under the hood, Left for Dead 1 was a piece of
shit.
Um, he talked about how they would have to load the map two to three times to get it to
work.
Like, that was the workaround.
And so, uh, the, one of the big driving forces for Left for Dead 2 was that Left for Dead
1 was unmodable.
The second that anyone tried to mod it, it would just, it would just be Crash City.
Yeah.
Um, and so these are the kinds of things that I think as just, you know, a gamer who didn't
work on the game, you might look at it and go, oh yeah, Left for Dead 2, Cash Grab, or, you
know, whatever else it is.
Um, but in reality, it was just, yeah.
Kind of, there were factors.
There were factors that you didn't fully understand.
Yeah.
And there's some people saying, like, any form of ad in a video game that I paid for is wrong.
And it's like, you know what, that's fair enough, but that's not this current topic.
Because they've been doing that for a long time.
Yeah.
Yeah, that ship sailed a long time ago.
Yeah.
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We were working on Emily Seddon's upgrade.
She wanted a new CPU.
And she's AM4, so we could have gone with a 5000 series, because she was running a 3600X or something like that.
So a 5800X3D would have been a great option.
But the 7900X3D had this deal on Newegg.
And I'm not sure if this is still valid.
Ooh, I wonder if it's not on anymore.
Oh, I'm on .ca.
Well, get wrecked, Canadians.
Checkmate.
Yeah, Newegg.com had this wild deal on the 7900X3D.
And they have like a combo builder.
This is not part of the sponsor talking points anymore.
This is just interesting.
I can't find it anymore, which is really frustrating.
But they have like a bundle builder where you can make your own bundle.
Do I just go to a bundle and then go to more options?
Build your combo.
Yeah, here it is.
And we added the...
Hold on.
Where is it?
Why the devil's a CPU?
I just want to...
Are these all Intel?
Where did I...
Oh, Intel combo.
Oh, for crying out loud.
Well, not the greatest experience shopping.
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Yeah, that's pretty sick.
That's $100 value.
Why would you ever buy the non-X3D, the not gaming-centric one, or the four fewer core 7800X3D for only...
What does that work out to?
Like $25 less or something like that?
This is a killer deal.
I love this deal.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.
So, instead of just going with a chip, I was like, yo, Seddon, are you down to sell your old stuff on Facebook Marketplace?
Just yeet that.
Pick up this.
Pick up a board.
And you're good to go.
CPU and RAM done.
And all you need is a motherboard.
Like, that's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anywho.
I can do those.
It's going to have to load, but I can do those at a certain point.
Yeah.
The merge message dashboard is working overtime today.
Yes.
Yeah.
As soon as it goes over about 100, 150, it starts to behave like this.
Yeah.
That's fixable.
You have to rewrite the entire thing.
There's just other stuff to work on.
And we're like, this isn't really going to happen that often.
I will be faster next time.
I am sorry, sir.
And yeah, honestly, it's a Dan problem.
It is a skill issue.
I am working on it.
You need to be able to respond to 17 a minute.
Okay.
I'm trying.
I'm nearly there.
I'm like at 14, but the number still goes up.
You have to be more than that.
Or the number goes up.
It's like any good video game.
I'm just bad at it.
If your WPM is not like 400, what are you even doing?
Yeah.
I mean, I can burst type at like 200 words per minute, but then the spelling kind of
goes out.
Yeah.
It gets a little rough.
I think if there's spelling errors, that's sort of par for the course today.
Yeah.
I don't think Chrome's autocorrect spelling works.
So.
Cool.
Sorry.
Okay.
Well, I got it working.
Greetings, LLD.
I've always heard that you shouldn't buy a TV during Black Friday because it's common
for companies to bait and switch to a cheaper designed product.
And is that still the case?
I think it really depends what you are looking at.
If you're looking at like a $119.99 TV, it is possible that you will end up, your $120
TV will have been costed down in some way compared to if that model number had been reviewed six
months ago or a year ago or whatever else.
But.
I didn't even know this was a thing.
That's brutal.
Uh, but I, I, I think like tinfoil hats aside, that is very unlikely to happen on a, like
a, uh, how do I, how do I put this on, on a, like a recognizable part number from a larger
TV brand, like an LG, a Samsung Vizio, someone like that.
I, I just, I just don't, I don't see them disrupting their supply chain to do one deal.
And the reality of it is that if they are cheaping out in a way that is going to affect
the product performance and quality, they are opening themselves up to a ton of legal or returns
liability that would grossly, grossly outweigh any potential gain that they could have from
selling a few more TVs on black Friday.
I, I just don't, um, I, I, I just don't see that being realistic.
I, I could sit, like I said, you know, if you're buying like an RCA TV where like the
brand has changed hands multiple times and it could be any random thing under the, yeah,
for sure.
Yeah.
That's, that's going to continue to be the case.
But I think that as those rando brands have become more accessible day to day, um, like
you can get a black Friday deal on a cheap, like cheaply made crappy TV any day.
You just go on wish.com or whatever.
Right.
Okay.
Wish.com doesn't have a ton of TV deals, but I think you guys get my point.
Um, I just, I just don't think that that's as much of a, a black Friday phenomenon as
maybe it once was.
Okay.
Uh, hi, LLD, how would you handle the soulless aspects of a job where you're asked, uh, where
you're asked to do, I'm assuming asked to do things that feel slightly less than your
moral standard for pushing an ad on purchase, you know, they don't need.
Um, I mean, I generally ignored whatever we were offered back when I was at NCIX or, you
know, what we were told to push and that got me promoted, uh, because my customers loved
that they got good stuff that was really good and, uh, at a fair price.
I can't promise that it would work that way at every company.
I think at a lot of companies that would just get you fired.
Um, so it all kind of, it all come, kind of comes and look, I'm not going to pass some
kind of moral judgment and say, well, then you should stand up and you should, you know,
hand in your resignation or you are less of a man.
Like that's, that's ridiculous.
I understand that everybody's got to eat.
And at the end of the day, um, business is always what it is.
Um, if there is, if there's no margin in desktop PCs, uh, your, your store is going to
tell you, Hey, try to attach a printer because there's good margin in that.
And if all you ever did was sell desktop PCs with no printers, um, the store would ultimately
go out of business.
Um, you know, you could try to, you could, you could try to talk to management and say,
Hey, maybe we should charge more for PCs.
And then they would say, well, um, good luck with that.
The store down the street has lower advertised prices on their PCs and their reps do a really
great job of upselling monster HDMI cables or whatever the, you know, modern equivalent
of that is.
And, uh, if we aren't in business, they're going to be the only ones left.
So I guess the ends justify the means.
I guess all I'm trying to say is this is clearly shades of gray and I'm not here to pass any
kind of moral judgment.
Um, you know, I always found that for me, uh, I was able to create better relationships
with my customers by educating them, um, helping point them in the right direction, regardless
of what corporate had to say about it.
But NCIX just wasn't organized enough to discipline anyone for not getting with the program when
it came to pushing products.
So I don't know what to tell you.
Uh, yeah.
When I used to do sales at Best Buy, before I got into the geek squad side of things, um,
I would actually sell a lot of stuff.
Um, cause I knew what I was talking about, I guess.
Um, and I, I would usually avoid upselling things in general, but you also can't ignore
that people might want those things.
So making them aware that they're available is not a bad idea.
Like I wouldn't push someone to buy a, uh, a case for their laptop, like a carrying case
or a backpack, backpack with a sleeve for the laptop or whatever, but I would make sure they
knew that we had them.
Yeah.
Education.
Education.
Yeah.
Education is key.
Yeah.
Um, and you know, cause like people might actually be kind of pissed.
Like I, I would, you would, you would hear if people that would come back in and be like,
I like scratched whatever.
And who knows if this is real or not, but they'd be like, Oh, I scratched my thing.
I'm like upset about this.
And then someone would be like, well, you could have bought a case.
And they'd be like, well, well, no one told me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's something like, we're like, if you, uh, if you tell someone, if you ask someone,
Hey, do you want Apple care?
And they're like, no, then you might go, okay, that's totally cool.
Um, would you consider a case?
I think that's a very reasonable way to, to offer an attach without being a pushy jerk
about it.
Right.
It's, it's all in the presentation too.
You can, you can present options.
I think that's a really good point without, you know, cramming them down someone's throat.
And you might not like said thing, but the customer might, and they might still want to
buy it.
Yeah.
Just educate them.
Yeah.
And there's, there are certain lines that I didn't want to cross in regards to things
that we sold that I thought were really stupid or absurdly overpriced or whatever.
And I'm not necessarily suggesting this, but I do remember one time I walked into the NCX
Langley store, still wearing my Best Buy stuff.
And one of the NCX people behind the desk asked me if I was the person that kept sending customers
there, um, because I was, um, and that there was just, there was certain things that we
would sell that would be at Best Buy at that time that were really overpriced and really
bad.
And it's not that I didn't think like, this is not actually one of the examples, but I'm
going to use printers as an example.
It's not that I think printers are a bad idea for the customer.
I just think we have terrible ones that are going to break our bad and are overpriced.
So I would send them somewhere else in that case.
Well, cables were a classic one that people would say, like, I worked at an NCX that was
near a Best Buy and we would often have people walking through the door looking for a cable
that wasn't stupidly overpriced.
Power cables.
Yeah.
We're like insanely expensive and people would need power cables.
You want a $25 C13 power cables?
Like, are you kidding me?
Yeah.
I mean, the one that comes free with my rice cooker.
Like, yeah, yeah.
I would send people over for power and HDMI all the time.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
But like other stuff, like I had a sale with some dude.
I broke like what we needed to sell for the entire weekend to one person on like a Friday
because they came in looking for like a laptop for themselves, ended up deciding to like
outfit their whole office and got like software packages for all of them, got all this other
kind of stuff because he was like excited because I told him actual things about actual laptops
that like no salesperson had told them before.
And then he was like asking about like, oh, I need a solution for this thing.
And I'm like, well, you can buy like software and he's like brain explode and ended up spending
tons of money.
I didn't like upsell him.
Yeah.
I just made sure he knew.
And I understand there are, there's a lot of gray in there, but like, I don't know.
He had a great experience and left very happy.
Like I didn't, I didn't push it when he was paying for it.
He knew exactly how much it was going to be.
It wasn't surprised by the bill.
That's the line, right?
If someone else talked to this person and was knowledgeable and gave an assessment of
how they were treated and the deal they got, would they still be happy with how you treated
them and the deal they got?
Yeah.
If the answer is yes, you're good.
I've left a store spending more than I planned on.
And been happy.
Stoked about it.
Yeah.
And I'm a very cheap person.
Yep.
I, I spent a fortune on my mattress.
Yeah.
And I'm thrilled about it because I have never had an experience like that buying anything
ever.
Oh, he told me all about it and they're gone now and I'm sad.
Yeah.
Like buddy literally like took two pieces of the same foam and like got down on hands and
knees while we were lying on this layered foam mattress and was like, no, that's slightly
out of alignment.
We actually need to adjust like this middle layer and like got this one.
I was like, no, with this one flipped over.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
There we go.
Like, like calibrated, uh, the two sides of mine and Yvonne's mattress to each of our
bodies.
Like it was crazy.
Yeah.
Um, cost a fortune.
Actually, you know what?
Not even that much more compared to going and buying one of the S brands, uh, from like
sleep country or whatever.
Uh, super, super, super happy.
Unfortunately, no, I don't have a name.
It was a, it was a factory in, on the North shore in Vancouver that no longer appears to
exist.
And that kind of makes sense because, uh, buddy who helped us was, uh, on the elderly side
of things.
And, uh, I think they, like we chatted with him for like an hour and a half or something
like that.
Like he was, he wanted to transition to his kids running it, but Hey, maybe that didn't
work out for whatever reason.
So they don't seem to be there anymore.
Gert.
Yeah.
Which is sad.
Cause I actually, I tried to call them to go and just got a, a no, no line.
Uh, Gertcher said not advocating for commission-based sales, but there is little incentive for a Best
Buy employee to upsell as there is no commission-based sales there.
So Luke did all that out of passion and not for money.
Yeah.
I made nothing from it.
Like genuinely.
You can still get spiffs.
Can't you?
I didn't get anything.
I don't know.
I've never worked at Best Buy.
At that time I got nothing.
I think they have spiffs.
It was so bad that I remember we had, uh, for like some thing that we did, I don't remember
what we had like a burger day and they like ran out of buns.
Okay.
And the, the GM of the store refused to like buy more buns.
So I walked to Walmart on my break and bought buns with my own money to like feed people at
the store.
Okay.
Like they didn't care about us at all.
Not even slightly, but I liked my job.
I liked the people in my departments that I worked with, the computer sales department
and the geek squad department were cool.
Um, I didn't like like almost anyone else in the store.
Customer support was cool.
Actually, the people at the front customer support, um, and yeah, people are saying no,
no spiffs in their time there.
So, nope, not a thing.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's like actually nothing.
That's kind of stupid.
No wonder nobody walks up to you to help you.
Yeah.
All right.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, AT shield nine 34 and float plane chat says as a former blue shirt, I can tell you
that some major brands Samsung and LG will release specific models of TVs just for the
holiday season.
You can usually tell by the model number Samsung's normal naming scheme is AAXX00 for their sub
QLED TVs.
Um, for holiday TVs, this gets a little bit weird, like, uh, letter, letter.
Um, okay, whatever, some different thing.
Um, they're effectively the same TV, but one has an MSRP of six 50 and the other has an
MSRP of eight 50 with a sale of $300 off.
Yeah, that's, that's not quite what they were asking about before where they were asking if
there's like a different quality, but yes, that is 100% something that exists is slightly
different model numbers, even from one chain to another to make it much more difficult to,
um, cross shop and price compare around this time of year.
Um, that's even, even a, a, a way from the holiday season or like the shopping season, it's
pretty common to see slightly different part numbers at a Best Buy and at a Costco and on
it, you know, the, the, the manufacturer website, uh, so that you are eliminating, uh,
price matching requests because your retailers are going to get on you if they're getting
a bunch of price match requests from their competitors who might have a better price.
Whereas you can kind of slip that stuff under the radar if no customers flag it and it doesn't
show up as like, yeah, we got like 300, like it would happen at NCIX.
Uh, we, we had monitoring for this where we'd get like 50 price match requests for something.
And the, the first thing we do is we'd call up the brand, be like, yo, what the fuck?
Like, whoops, I got the timing wrong on that is going on with, with this price.
Why do they have better pricing than us?
How are they doing this deal?
Because everyone's buying from the same person.
Like, okay, like Ben Q, for example, had one rep in the entire country.
So if someone's got a Ben Q monitor for $50 cheaper than us, then who sold it to them?
F***ing Ben Q, obviously.
So who are we going to call and yell at about it?
Because we've got a warehouse full of these monitors that are now not moving or worse
yet, moving at a loss because our stupid competitor has a better price than us.
Like that's, that's the dynamic at play, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, I think we've got one more, might have two more.
I don't remember how many we've done.
Um, next up, how was your Thanksgiving?
Uh, we're Canadians.
So that was a while ago, um, quite a while ago, but it was pretty good.
Um, yeah, thanks.
Good Turkey.
Quick question.
Do you think season based, say Fortnite war zone, things like that will outperform traditional
games like say Titanfall two or Minecraft that are less, less online.
I think what he means is, uh, games that have significant changes in cycles, games as a service
type thing versus a game that is sold to you as more or less a single package that, uh,
you can expect to stay the same and not change.
Um, I mean, I think the market's kind of spoken.
I think especially the games that are popular with the younger generation, they're season
based there, there's a, there's a lot of games as a service going around right now.
And as much as we may or may not like it personally, I don't think there's really anything that Luke
or I can do to change any of that.
The good news is that more traditional style game monetization strategies are still here
and not going away.
Baldur's gate three.
I was just going to, yeah, they always get a shout out.
Beat him.
Uh, I was just going to say like some of the really banger games lately don't have that
Elden Ring, Baldur's gate three.
Yep.
Really just killed it.
Lots of people still playing those games.
Really, really good sales throughout people think very highly of the game and they have
very consumer friendly monetization models.
But I also feel like that's kind of like saying, yeah, like the traditional unique IP in the
cinema is not dead.
Look at Oppenheimer, but it's like, okay, yeah, but what about all, there are a lot of
other examples, the other movies that have struggled.
Wasn't there a topic like not even that long, maybe last week or the week before where it
was like, uh, some, uh, mount or something that they sold on the store for WoW made more
money than all of StarCraft Wings of Liberty, which is the original release of the game.
Oh, no.
I don't.
Yeah.
I think that's a thing.
Um, mount for WoW makes more money than C2.
Former Blizzard developer Jason Hall has claimed that a single microtransaction mount in World
of Warcraft made more money than the full StarCraft II game, highlighting the profitability of
microtransactions in gaming.
Yeah.
So the problem with all this stuff is that, um, people keep buying it and the whole vote
with your wallet thing works both ways.
Um, it works in the way that most people use it by, you know, don't buy the thing that
you think is bad, but it also works when you use your wallet.
It works when you spend money, right?
And positive reinforcement is a lot stronger than negative reinforcement.
If you give them money for something once, even if you, they, even if you don't give them
any money the second time they do it or the third time they do it or the fourth time they
do it, they're going to keep doing it because they're going to know that on the fifth and
sixth, maybe we just got to tweak these colors here or play around with balance there.
Eventually there's, you will give them money again.
There's games where they will make microtransaction items for individuals.
They don't even tell them about it, but they'll know there'll be like some whale that like
really likes, uh, I don't know, um, color purple.
Sure.
Yeah.
Really likes purple, uh, plate swords.
Sure.
Sure.
Whatever.
Something.
So they'll make like a, a pack for like effectively that person.
Like there, there are companies that actually do that.
And to be clear, guys, this is not conspiracy theory stuff.
This is stuff Luke actually knows and we are not talking about a $20 piece of armor for
that person.
We were talking like a $500 piece of armor for that person.
Yeah, they'll put it on the store and everyone can buy it, but they know that one person will
buy it.
Or that four people.
Yes.
You know, those four are definitely going to buy it.
So that justifies the art time that goes into developing this thing.
Because, because some of these companies will have, that's just called, that's just harpooning.
Yeah, it's a, totally, that's a thing.
Um, but they'll have analytics on their whales so that they know what colors they like, what
themes they like, all this different type of stuff.
What holidays they like, probably that one, I don't know, but that makes sense.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
So it's terrible and it's your fault.
Yeah.
Kind of.
It is actually gamers fault.
Yeah.
It might not be your fault individually, but it is gamers fault collectively.
I'm speaking to gamers collectively right now.
We are the ones, gamers are the ones that made FIFA Ultimate Team so incredibly profitable.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
And you can't undo that now.
They're going to, they're going to keep chasing that.
Gamers are the ones that sure screamed a lot when Horse Armor first came out, but then
were complained that there wasn't enough things on the store in Halo Infinite.
That blew my mind.
When like the top posts on the subreddit for Halo Infinite for a while were like, why isn't
there are more things that I can buy?
Like.
I still stubbornly just wear the stock armor.
Good.
Hell yeah.
They changed the color on me though.
It's not gray anymore.
It's like blue or something.
Oh.
But I just wear whatever the default is.
That is what I will always wear in Halo Infinite.
I've earned cosmetics.
Oh yeah.
And I will not touch them.
I will not use them.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
I will not stand there in my like flame helmet or whatever during that obnoxious opening
cinematic thing where you have to look at everyone's cosmetics before the match starts.
My favorite one is when you just for some reason spawn like way out of the line.
So it like, it scrolls through everybody and you're just like not there.
And then it has to like whip the camera way over so it can get you into.
I've actually never seen that.
That's great.
Oh, that happened a lot around launch.
Oh, ouch.
That might have been part of it, but Infinite just didn't have any content at launch.
Yeah, I agree.
There was specifically posts specifically complaining about that there wasn't enough stuff to buy.
There was definitely also a lot of posts about how there wasn't very much content.
There wasn't forge.
There wasn't all of these many other things.
Um, but I was, I was just stunned that like of all the things you're here to complain about,
you're complaining that you can't spend more money on cosmetics.
Um, something that I'm finding that's, I don't know if this is just a personal thing or not,
but I'm finding in a lot of games where, you know, maybe it's like, uh, uh, whatever you call
it, season's past type of game where you get part of it as a free player, but then there's
like, Oh, the really juicy stuff is locked.
So infinite's like this.
Like you said, you've unlocked cosmetics.
You just don't put them on.
I'm finding that the, the default cosmetics are starting to actually like, to me, at least
look pretty cool.
Cause you just never see them because people are always going to put on at least the ones
that they got for free.
So like the rarest cosmetics are the non ones.
Like the, these are the default ones, especially once you're like leveled up.
So you're matchmaking against people that have been playing for a while and stuff.
Hilarious.
I was playing counter-strike the other day and I saw someone with the default skin
USP, like the counter-terrorist starting pistol.
Yeah.
And I was like, wow, that looks pretty cool.
I wonder like what that is.
And then it ended up being the default skin one.
I was like, Oh wow.
I haven't seen that in so long.
It like actually looks pretty good.
That's hilarious.
It's like, I'm too Chad to have any kind of like trash on my gun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think it looks great.
What?
Oh, responding to, I'm responding to some messages.
Yeah.
I've been trying to usually when you're talking, I don't know.
Do we want to bring back speed merch messages?
Do you guys remember like speed running them?
I do.
Um, we'll, we'll see once we get to the end of the show where we're at, it takes so long
when I press post that I just, I can't even, I can't even process this again, we can fix
it.
It's just, it's not really worth it.
Blank t-shirts are the top seller again.
Well, it's a crazy deal.
And blank t-shirts are very like you're, you're 30 now and you gave up on fashion kind of thing.
I mean, me giving up on fashion was wearing our merch.
Not to, not to typecast our like.
Oh, Linus, uh, we match again today.
I didn't even realize we have the, we have the same t-shirt on.
Oh, nice.
We pulled this again.
Love it.
I don't know how this happens.
I don't even have that one.
Oh man.
Yeah.
I mean, look, we, we recognize that our clothes are supposed to just be easy.
A bunch of people in chat are like, hey.
Yeah.
I mean, my entire fashion sense is I have one brand of shorts, one pair of blue jeans
and then LT t-shirts.
So like, yeah, whatever.
And when we release these pants, I'm pretty sure you're going to switch over to them.
Yeah.
Yep.
These are great.
Oh, your fly's down.
Oh.
Yeah.
I was literally eyeing them up before I knew they were, I didn't like think they were ours.
And I was like, first of all, they look really cool.
Second of all, I'm surprised he's not wearing Costco jeans.
Yeah.
Prototypes.
Yeah.
They look great.
Yeah.
The tech pants and the cargo pants are going to be really good.
Yeah.
All right.
Oh, it looks like Tynan might already have some of the cargoes.
Yeah, he does.
He, he, he's got, he, we have quite a few samples of it because we've.
Iterated a bunch.
We're perfectionists.
And so we've, yeah.
Like, anyway.
Yeah.
The point is, um, we're putting the work in and they're going to be really good.
All right.
Are we supposed to do a couple more merch?
Oh no.
We're supposed to do some more topics.
Hey, let's do some topics.
Yeah.
Cool.
Do you want to pick one?
Sure.
Uh, let's see here.
Hmm.
Let's get the Sam Altman stuff out of the way.
Uh, open AI has reached an agreement with Sam Altman to, for him to return as CEO following
a near mutiny where 95% of open AI employees signed a letter threatening to resign if he
did not return, uh, resign and join Microsoft to be clear.
Um, yeah, one notable signer was co-founder and chief scientist, Ilya, I can never say his
last name, Sutskever, uh, who was part of the board that originally fired Altman.
Two members of the board, including Ilya, will be stepping down, which is an interesting
thing.
The board will likely grow up to nine members and include representatives from important
stakeholders such as Microsoft.
Who doesn't want to be surprised by this kind of shenanigans again in all likelihood.
I was saying with how much of open AI that Microsoft owns, it was wild to me when this
whole thing went down that Satya Nadella was just blindsided by this and that, and that
they didn't have a seat on the board already.
Absolutely nuts.
Yeah.
Emmett Scheer, who was interim CEO for three days after CTO Mira Murati was interim CEO
for two days, said he was pleased to have negotiated this outcome.
Our discussion question is who was the biggest winner in the shakeup and why was it Microsoft?
Oh yeah, it was unquestionably Microsoft.
There was, there was two paths here.
Either the entire open AI team was going to quit and join Microsoft, which would have
been great as the advanced research, advanced AI research, whatever that team was called
for the two days that it existed.
Or Microsoft was going to get a board seat and get their boy back in action as CEO.
So they won either way.
The situation got significantly better for Microsoft, no matter what path was chosen.
I, yeah, I don't know.
I, the whole Ilya thing is very interesting to me because as far as my understanding goes,
which there was a lot of rumors around this and the news was moving really fast.
So I might be wrong about this.
But as far as my understanding goes, Ilya said that he would not remain part of the board
if they didn't find a way to hire Sam Altman again as CEO.
But then Sam Altman's demands involved a significant change to the board that didn't involve Ilya.
So Ilya was basically like deuces because either you fire me or I quit.
Those were like the proposed solutions, which I just found very interesting.
Genius.
And now he's not on the board.
So I, for one, love it.
Yeah.
How long do you think it's going to take before this is a movie?
Oh, yeah, it's got to be.
Someone's working on it already.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It like has to be.
I really thought it was going to end up with the whole opening I team being a part of Microsoft.
Apparently, uh, apparently GameStop AMC, that whole thing is like more than one movie already.
Really?
Yeah.
One of them has a trailer out already or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I was, okay, this is all hearsay.
Uh, GameStop, Stonks, movie.
Here we go.
Hold on.
Dumb Money official trailer.
Yeah.
From five months ago.
That's a great name.
That is a pretty great name.
Yeah.
You still their lead scientist?
Cool.
Yeah.
I just, maybe you should focus on that.
Wow.
This is from like Sony Pictures.
This isn't even just like some random indie movie.
That's hilarious.
Wait, Eat the Rich, the GameStop saga.
This is on Netflix as well.
Oh man.
Okay.
Wow.
It's a whole thing.
Okay, cool.
Anywho, um, I had one that I actually wanted to bring up next.
Do it.
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
Plex emails, Joe Mamba.
I was going to do that.
Yeah.
On November 1st, media hosting service Plex launched Discover Together in an attempt to
pivot to become more like a social network.
Plex also altered its Week in Review feature so that it also sends users a summary of their
friends' weekly activity, including media that they uploaded to their server.
What the f**k?
I says, pardon?
The feature is opt-out.
Oh yeah.
And many users were unaware of the change until it emailed them their friends' viewing history.
Holy crap.
Are you f**king kidding me?
Meanwhile, their mobile app still doesn't auto-play the next video for me on Android.
The way, the extent to which Plex has managed to deviate from their original North Star is truly shocking at this point.
So, A, this is a public admission of their user data collection practices that, from my understanding, they had previously said were no big deal.
Don't worry about it.
I mean, you upload all your pirated content here because we would never, you know, share any of this with anybody or log it or anything like that.
Don't worry about it.
And number two is like, holy s**t, if I want to tell someone that I'm watching some cringe, you know, movie from the 90s that's like, you know, only redeeming features that it has about half a second of Angelina Jolie boob in it.
He's segwaying to hackers.
Yeah.
The second he said cringe movie for the 90s, I was like, I 100% know where this is going.
To be clear, I actually don't consider that to be a redeeming feature in a movie.
Yeah.
I was just trying to make fun of his favorite movie.
It's not my favorite movie.
I've watched half of it now.
We can talk about it after.
But the point is...
How do you watch half of anything?
I have kids.
When you have kids, we'll talk about how you can be interrupted in the middle of a movie.
Yeah.
Emma does this.
We'll be watching a show.
Yeah.
And she'll just get up in the middle of an episode.
It'll be like, I'm going to bed.
I'm like, how do you...
You don't get to finish?
It's like 10 minutes until the end.
She's like, no, I'm tired.
I'm going to bed.
It's like...
I want control like that over my life.
Yeah, I didn't know.
It doesn't work for you.
I am so jealous.
I have to watch the end of it.
It drives me insane.
You're eating a meal and you're just like, I'm full now.
Okay, bye.
I'm like, wow.
I'm done with this project.
It is time for sleep.
It's wild.
Yeah, anywho.
This is not cool.
I am seriously considering, you know, going, jumping through the hoops to figure out Jellyfin or something like that at this point.
Oh, you thought you already did.
No, I can't.
I don't.
Plex already works, mostly.
I don't...
I'm at a point in my life where I don't want to learn a new content management library organization software.
I don't feel like it.
I already know how to use FileBot.
I already know how to use Plex.
I already know how to use all these...
I already know how to use MakeMKV.
Like, I just...
I know how to use these tools and this is not the kind of thing that, if I'm not making content about it, matters to me to spend a bunch of time on.
And I'm not making content on it because there are literally dozens of us and it's just not a mainstream enough topic for us to tackle on our channel these days.
So, no, I don't want to do this.
I just want Plex to not be s***.
That's all I want.
I'm looking at the CEO's LinkedIn, which is not something I've, like, ever done before.
For, like, I've never had a company do something and be like, I genuinely don't at all understand the motivation.
So, I've checked out their LinkedIn and I don't know.
Comes from, you know, Cisco.
What's bracket computing?
Well, it's something that was sold to VMware, so I don't know.
Okay.
I don't know why it has this logo because...
Or maybe it was sold to Cisco.
Oh, no, acquired by VMware.
It says right there.
Okay.
Okay.
Strategy and business development security.
Well, uh, oops.
And then president and CEO of Plex for almost 11 years.
So, the motivation is clearly not coming from him because he was there when Plex was cool.
Yeah.
The motivation is coming from whoever is giving them VC money and wants to see their user base grow and thinks that alienating their users is a good way to grow the user base, I guess.
I can't think of a single person that I know.
If they made it opt-in, sure.
But the fact that it's opt-out is insane.
Yeah.
Like, honestly, look, I'm not going to lie.
Actually insane.
I have ambitions for the badminton center that are similarly creepy.
Right.
Right here.
Right here.
I am admitting it right now.
In my perfect world, we would...
You would be able to basically, like, social network the crap out of it.
And if you're, like, the guy who beat you three times in the last whatever, booked a session, it'd be like, hey, your friend, of course, you would have to actually authorize people to see this stuff.
Yeah.
So, it would have to be opt-in.
Which completely solves the problem.
The point is, your buddy has booked a session.
Do you want to suit up and go at it again?
You can even make it sound cool.
Do you want to try to capture that Pokemon or whatever?
Yeah.
Like, I want to gamify stuff.
And for that, we're going to need to get creepy.
I wouldn't even...
I don't want any of this data to leave the premises.
Do you want to join...
Are you okay, Dan?
There's a mouse on your desk.
He, uh...
This is hilarious.
We're going to the producer cam.
Dan saw a mouse.
Hold on.
Yeah, I need the mouse.
Yeah, I need the mouse for Cat TV.
Okay, hold on a second.
We have a thing here.
Just a second.
Just a second, people.
One moment, please.
You're holding on the port.
Okay.
Sure.
I think Linus should call it something like competitive cue or something like that.
Just to, like, make it sound kind of cool.
Maybe a better name than that.
I'm used to names for engineers.
But I think he should make whatever that feature is sound cool so that people want to subscribe to it.
I have not personally seen the mouse.
So it darted towards me?
No, on the desk here.
I'm going to crawl up my leg.
Is he still on there?
It might just be, like...
I would do a topic, but I honestly think this is probably more interesting than tech news.
I'm really sorry.
No, no, no.
That's fine.
This is for Linus' cats.
I love that there was, like, a very short portion of time of fear and almost immediately into,
I must catch this for your cats.
Yes.
That transition was very fast.
I caught one last night.
It was in the garbage can.
I managed to grab it.
We showed it off on screen.
We caught it in a bucket.
We had the, uh...
There was, like, a t-shirt on top of it.
And I showed it off here.
And you could see it, like, bouncing in the...
Wow.
In the t-shirt.
You caught one here last night?
Oh, we, like, got mice.
Yeah.
No, it was the bread.
Is this working?
Uh, no.
Oh, okay.
It was the bread?
Yeah, it is.
It was the bread.
The bread that had been sitting here, that's what attracted them.
Because normally we don't have any food just kicking around in the office.
Yeah.
Anyway, so I had three mice that I caught in my garage when they got into my grass seed.
And they were great cat TV.
The cats freaking loved it so much that I bought, like, that...
I think we talked about it on Wancho.
I bought that crazy topper for it.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, before the topper arrived, after I ordered it, but before it arrived,
the mice chewed through the old lid on the cage.
And the cats have now eaten their TV.
So I need new TV for the cats.
And then Dan found new TV, but then didn't, um, and then just released it outside.
You know, I bet it's the same damn one that just got in the same hole.
Uh, because unless you take it like 15 kilometers away or something, it'll like find its way
back.
Anyway, hold on.
I'm still there.
I'm just going to get in here and start lifting things up here.
Yeah.
I have a pokey stick.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
I feel like we need to, like, action cam with one of these cameras.
This is not doing it justice.
Can I action cam with the webcam, maybe?
Probably not.
Probably not?
Why not?
Is it killing?
Hold on, stream.
Give me a second.
This is more important.
It is.
Maybe it went back into the hole.
You know what, Dan?
It might have managed to squeeze outside.
You mean uh-oh.
What?
No, no, you guys are good.
Don't say uh-oh.
I just touched this camera at all and it immediately disconnected.
Oh, you broke it.
How?
Nice.
I don't know.
So, it could live behind the set here because there's, like, space to get into the wall here.
Alright.
I think it's gotten away from where it was at any rate, so maybe we should continue the show at this point.
Okay.
Hilarious.
Amazing.
I think we have some live traps over on the other side anyway.
If we just put one of them out here with, like, peanut butter in it or put, like, a granola bar in it or something, it'll probably get caught and they'll stay alive in there for a couple days.
So, maybe we could just pick it up on Monday.
Okay.
Where are they?
What an adventure.
I'm not sure where they are.
I saw some.
I know we had some mice over in the lab, so I know there's definitely something there.
And, I mean, it's okay.
You can just, I would just do merch messages for now.
Anyway.
He's leaving.
I'm not, it's not there.
Anyway.
What were we talking about?
You know how they call it the DLL show?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now it's the DLLM show.
Oh, okay.
Because LLMs.
Yeah.
But also mice.
Yeah, I get it.
It's very funny.
Wow.
Wow.
It's got layers to it.
It's like a, it's an ogre.
It's one ogre of a reference joke.
Anyway, Plex emailing your mom is dumb.
And they shouldn't have done that.
If it was opt-in, maybe you could make a little, like, movie club that's automated.
Yeah, that's super cool.
And you can see, like, opt-in would be cool.
This feature, if opt-in, would be cool.
Yeah.
Like, I would never opt-in to get Luke's movies recommended to me because they're s***.
You haven't watched both of them.
You've only watched half of one of them.
I've watched half of Hackers, and it is atrocious.
I didn't expect you'd necessarily like it.
I just think you should see it.
Also, the only one I actually asked you to watch was the other one.
Yeah, well...
You volunteered to watch this one.
What?
No.
Yeah.
I thought this was part of the deal.
No.
You made the deal.
Oh, well, then I don't have to...
You included it in the deal.
Then I don't have to complete...
No, I agreed to it.
It's part of the deal.
What?
You can't say it's not part of the deal and then say it is part of the deal.
No, it's part of the deal.
I just didn't ask for it.
Oh, okay.
What do you mean?
I see how this is going to be.
Wow.
People are so hurt about the Hackers thing.
Guys.
I'm not surprised he doesn't like Hackers.
Oh, come on.
It's...
You haven't watched the whole thing.
So?
You're not going to like it, but you still haven't...
I'm just saying.
You should maybe hold comment until you've seen the whole thing.
He's still going to hate it.
Oh, man.
I don't even...
It is the embodiment of cringe.
It's repetitive.
You haven't even seen Hack the Planet yet.
The writing is terrible.
The thing that people are hashtagging, you haven't even seen yet.
Well, one part of it that I would say has been somewhat redeeming so far is the hackathon
hack competition where they're messing with the investigator or whatever.
But even that...
Oh, isn't that more than halfway through?
I think you're like right near the end.
No.
No, it's like halfway point.
Oh, wow.
But even that is...
It's like my suspension of disbelief.
You can't...
No.
You can't...
It's like, no, you actually can't do that.
That's not how that works.
It's not even...
It's not even...
Okay.
But, you know, just for the sake of advancing this plot point, we need you to kind of pretend
this is plausible.
No, it's the entire premise of the movie.
You notice how for years I asked you to watch...
Pentium 6?
What the f*** are you even talking about?
You notice how for years I asked you to watch one particular movie and I never asked you
to watch this one?
I think there might be a reason.
No, you've definitely...
You've definitely told me I should watch this one before.
I'm sure of it.
That's why I got it mixed up.
Not as much as the other one.
Yeah, no.
Not as much as the other one.
You've asked me to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley a thousand times, but you've still
probably asked me to watch Hackers like 500 times.
Probably because I...
Ah, I don't know about that.
Yeah, that's a lot.
Probably because I think it'd be funny though.
And because I know that you don't...
You're not necessarily a huge fan of one of the main...
I can't stand Angelina Jolie.
And she's such a huge character.
I can't stand her in anything.
She's one of those actresses where, you know what?
Honestly, I can get behind a lot of the causes she's supported or whatever.
That all seems fine.
I'm not saying she's like...
As a person, no problem.
Yeah, as a person, I have no problem with her.
I don't know her or whatever.
Maybe she's great.
I have actually no idea.
I haven't seen anything to indicate that she doesn't do a good job of the things she's
supposed to do, like be stylish and do things that people like or whatever.
But as an actor, I can't stand her.
I just...
I can't.
I can't.
Even a little bit.
And man...
Before she learned to act...
And this movie might have defined that stuff.
Yeah, not making it better.
Sorry.
Like, this is one of those things.
I remember reading this article that kind of put into words how I've always felt about
it and was like, what good movie has she ever been in?
What do you mean?
What's that?
What's that?
What's that movie where they curve bullets?
That's worse than Hackers.
You're not helping this case.
That obscure video game, Tomb Raider.
Oh, come on.
This is like...
A s*** in here.
A s*** sandwich after s*** sandwich.
Dude, wanted the movie.
It's rated 6.7 on IMDb.
Wow.
71% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Curving bullets, dude.
Yeah.
Just whip your pistol like this.
I've heard Mr. and Mrs. Smith is not bad.
And Maleficent was tolerable.
Barely.
Barely.
I'm sure the sequel was awful.
So many of these are like relatively close in shots of her face, slightly blurred.
Like a weird percentage of them.
I don't know, man.
Like, she's one of those...
She's one of those actors that has been in so many movies.
And yet, man, this was awful.
I haven't even heard of it.
It was...
Obviously, I've heard of Beowulf, but not that movie.
Terrible.
So bad.
It's like, what here would you watch if you were looking to be entertained by a film?
Hackers.
Hackers.
Hackers is phenomenal.
Oh, man.
I just can't stand it.
I love hackers, but I am incredibly not surprised by Linus's distaste for it because he's going
to want it to be...
Have a coherent story?
Sure.
That's fair enough.
Yeah.
He's going to want that.
He's going to...
Man, the number of times...
He's not going to enjoy like pool on the roof as much as other people are.
Dude, the number of times...
He's not going to enjoy garbage file and like give the rabbit a flu shot and stuff like
that.
The number of times they make the joke of these guys living with their moms and agents busting
their door down.
And like a billion shots of the same thing.
Like, yeah, we get it.
The agents go after them or whatever because they're...
Like, what are these clubs?
What are these like parties they're going to?
The rollerblade club where they play...
What the fuck is going on?
Oh, I hit the wrong...
Oh, I completely hit the wrong thing.
Don't worry about it.
The rollerblade club that they go to or whatever?
Yeah.
And they play that weird video game?
And they play this weird like sim like flying game or something.
I just...
And being good at it makes you a hacker or something.
It's like...
Yeah, of course.
I can't tell.
I am halfway through this movie.
I legitimately can't tell if the writers knew absolutely nothing about hacking or knew
everything about hacking and were taking the piss because it is 0% or it is 100%.
It is nowhere in between.
You cannot be that wrong unless you know nothing or you're intentionally wrong.
They knew at least something.
They knew at least something.
I don't know that they did.
Because there's enough references that are like, that's a little niche.
That's like weird that they would know that.
But then the rest of it is so deeply wrong.
They might have had a little brother.
Maybe.
Something like that.
Like, honestly.
Yeah.
Somebody at some time said something that was somewhat correct.
Like, there's even scenes like when he pulls out the hacker's manifesto.
Yeah, but then like...
No, the freaking stuff was not real enough.
The one where he just like presses the hang up button a bunch of times.
That's not how it worked.
Didn't he do that to get to an operator?
No.
No.
He did that to like...
In a long time.
He did that to pay the collect call charge or whatever.
Like, it was...
Or the long distance charge or something.
Like, no.
Yet freaking, yes.
But also, freaking was not hacking.
Yeah.
It was just making specific tone noises into the phone.
But there was a lot of crossover and interest at that time.
Sure.
Like a ton.
But...
Yeah, he did it to get to an operator.
Yeah.
People are saying in chat.
Yeah.
Yeah, but he doesn't get to an operator in the movie.
Like, he like...
I think he does.
Yeah, but he somehow bypasses like a paywall.
I don't know.
Okay.
Maybe...
Okay, whatever.
I haven't seen it in quite a while.
Maybe that detail, slightly wrong.
My point is...
Have you gone to the scene where they're at a more realistic party,
which is just like a party in somebody's house
and they see her laptop
and they're like geeking out over the laptop?
Oh my gosh.
That's gonna break his mind.
Oh my gosh.
That's gonna shatter his mind.
Wait, you have seen it?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
It's terrible.
Of course it's terrible.
But it's terrible in the best way.
Oh, man.
Oh, so good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep, yep, yep.
Yeah.
He like can't enjoy stuff like that.
So I'm not surprised he doesn't like it.
But I still think you should see it.
It's like,
ha ha, computer nerds think computers are sexier than girls.
It's like...
Yeah.
No.
I just...
I just mean it's...
It's...
This isn't even one of those things where I...
Okay.
Like, I feel like especially in the early seasons,
some of the criticism of Big Bang Theory from geeks,
you know, comic book nerds and all that is kind of...
Some of it was merited
and then some of it was just like an inability to handle someone poking fun at us.
Like, there were times when, you know,
I definitely felt shots fired,
but I was okay laughing at it
because it was...
At least the comedic timing was good or whatever.
Whereas...
On Big Bang Theory?
Yeah.
Some of the earlier seasons are not bad, actually.
Okay.
Yeah.
It gets really bad later.
I didn't see any of the early stuff.
I've just seen like clips here or there
and I'm like,
well, this is horrendous.
Yeah.
You know the whole like take the laugh track out of Friends
and it's like not funny anymore thing?
Yeah.
It's like...
It feels like a very intense version of that.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It's pretty bad.
Anyway, my point is like in Hackers,
I didn't feel like any of them were particularly funny shots or...
I find them to be hilarious.
I think it's really funny.
You know what?
Maybe part of it is that you watched it
when that would have been a little more edgy or something.
Like I'm watching it now
and, you know, everything's mainstream.
Yeah, I saw this when I was like 13 or something.
I mean, it's still good six months ago.
Like it holds up.
What about the antagonist with the skateboard?
And he's like,
the coolest...
Never fear.
I is here.
You don't find that funny?
You don't find it?
The VR scene where he's like freaking out?
Or what about the video game that they play
in the cool hacking underground club den?
Yeah.
We already talked about that.
Oh, yeah.
Geez.
No one ever beats her.
Have you seen the VR scene?
Yeah.
The evil dudes in VR or whatever?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I find that very funny.
I thought it was hilarious.
Okay.
I mean, maybe this is one of those movies
where if I was watching it with you
instead of while folding laundry...
Probably.
...you know, the vibes would be different,
but I...
Yeah.
You can't take it seriously.
You can't expect anything out of it
that's like real at all.
No, it's not that I expect it to be real, Luke.
You asked for the hacking depictions
to be more realistic.
That's like one of the first things that you said.
Not more realistic.
I mean, the suspension of disbelief
is very difficult at that point.
Like if the whole premise of a movie
was that, you know,
you embedded...
Okay, you embedded a brain parasite
in the sounds that came out
of people's cell phones or something.
It's like, no, that's not biology.
That's like, that's just not...
It's just kind of stupid.
Like it's not...
I know the reference and I agree.
Yeah.
No, I wasn't actually...
That's a thing?
Wasn't that close to that thing that we did?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
What was the...
I don't remember exactly how that worked.
Well, we can't talk about that thing.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
No, it wasn't that though.
Okay.
I just mean if the...
If it doesn't...
If it doesn't make any sense at all,
even to like grade seven science,
you know, educated person,
then it just feels like...
What about people's heads
in Kingsman turning into balloons?
Feels low effort.
When did they turn into balloons?
Wasn't that in like the third one though?
And the third one was pretty stupid.
The first one was the best one.
The first one was good.
I still enjoyed the second one.
The third one was pretty bad.
Yeah.
I found there...
Like everyone in the movie
taking it seriously,
but how obviously ridiculous
everything was to be kind of fun.
I also, when I first discovered it,
was fairly frustrated
about the depictions of hacking
in a lot of different movies.
Mess with the best.
I like the rest.
See, I find stuff like this very funny.
I like watching that scene
where they're like grabbing the videotapes
from each other and stuff.
Hilarious.
Yeah, it's cute.
It's, it's, I don't know.
It's...
I think you're probably right.
If I was there,
you probably would have enjoyed it more.
Sure.
Um...
Yeah.
Oh man.
Um...
Okay.
The first Kingsman,
their head explodes with confetti effects.
Um...
Yeah, no, I, I, I enjoyed it.
Yep.
I enjoyed it.
Uh, Kings...
The first Kingsman...
The first Kingsman is great.
I...
I, I thought,
I felt was camp
in a way that was
self-aware.
Okay, I guess maybe that's part
of the problem for me
is I can't quite tell
how self-aware hackers is.
I think they're very self-aware,
personally.
The tape, the tape thing.
Um...
The tape thing?
Yeah, the, the tape grabbing thing.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, the tape feeding machine scene.
Uh, I, I, I, I thought that was cute.
It went on for too long.
Yes.
Went on for way too long.
There's tons of scenes
that go on for too long.
It's an hour and a half run time.
It's, and, and they,
it's like so full of padding.
Yeah.
You mentioned the police break-in scenes.
Those get, like, really old
and super repetitive.
Yeah.
Yeah, like,
I got, what did you do?
You know, we, we, we get it.
They live with their moms and...
There's one of them
that just goes on.
Maybe it was more than one,
but there's one that I remember
that just goes on for way too long.
Like, it's just a bunch
of different clips of...
Maybe that's my main issue
is I'm halfway through this movie
and so far,
here's a broad summary
of what happens.
This kid gets convicted
of hacking
and banned from using computers.
But see, this happens
in, like,
the opening credits, essentially.
So, all,
he grows up,
he now lives with his mom.
Moved to the big city.
He goes,
he moves to the city
and he meets a girl
and some, like,
hacker buddies
who befriend him
because he seems to be pretty cool
because he can, like,
move himself to different classes.
No, because he seems to be elite.
Thank you.
Because he can move classes
and he can turn on
the sprinklers at will,
which is a pretty elite hacker move.
And then this girl love interest
is not into him,
but then they are, like,
there's some animosity between them
and then it turns out
they're both hackers
and, you know,
they had a hacker battle
at some point.
And then one of the hackers
has a floppy diskette
of a garbage file
that they downloaded
from a Gibson or something,
but they only got half of it.
But then there's a conspiracy
where the garbage file
is, like,
some kind of, you know,
virus that can do something.
The person who wrote it
disguised it as a garbage file,
but it was actually
this crazy virus
that was going to take down
tankers in the oceans,
oil tankers in the oceans.
Yeah, because that's a thing
you'd want to do
for some reason.
Well, it was a ransom.
So it is, kind of.
That part, like,
if you could do it,
that makes sense
as a thing to ransom.
Sure, I guess.
And so now
they have to
help their friend
who's been accused
of making that virus,
but actually he just
downloaded part of it
or something
and he's being framed
by the guy
who actually wrote it,
but he works
for the government
and then they've got
to help him
by, like,
messing with the investigator.
And then, like,
every other scene,
Angelina Jolie
is, like,
making out with someone.
The problem with
what you just did
is you just made it
much more coherent
than it is.
Yeah, that made
a lot of sense, actually.
Your explanation made
way too much sense
compared to actually
just watching the movie.
I forgot that's
what the movie was about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, that was...
I'm just here
for the awkward...
You couldn't help yourself
make it make sense.
That's a really
coherent plot line.
I don't know why
you don't like this movie.
You don't get that
from watching the movie.
All of them are
at least 25
and not in high school.
Okay, that's a pretty
common thing, though.
I know, but it's so blatant!
It's pretty bad
in this movie.
It is pretty bad
in this movie.
This movie's not...
It's not about that.
It's interesting
hearing how you, like,
consume media.
For something that's
not about, you know,
the hot high school chick
who is actually 25,
boy, does it ever
spend a lot of time on it.
I genuinely never
cared about that part.
I, um...
Sure.
I...
Did you not enjoy
the, like,
dissent scene?
Multiple ones.
I don't even remember
what that is.
They have, like,
the...
You're like a spaceship
flying through a city,
but the city is, like,
the database within a computer.
Yeah, that's cute.
Hilarious.
Um, also, like,
it's not the database.
It starts...
You start out
going through the city
and then it becomes
components on a motherboard.
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a cute
visual thing.
It goes on for way too long.
It's like,
oh, that's cute.
Okay, I'm gonna look at it
for a long time now.
A lot of things in the show
go on for too long.
Yeah, it should be,
it should be, like,
a one-hour movie
and then it would be
a tight one-hour movie
and maybe, like, funny.
But it just,
it drags out.
It overstays its welcome.
Have you gotten to
the, like,
late night in the city
steam coming out
of the manhole covers?
When the guy gets away
with the motorbike?
Yes.
Wait, gets away
with the motorbike?
Yeah, he, like,
he, like,
grabs the diskette
and then he takes off
or something.
Is it a skateboard?
I don't know, it's something.
He grabs on, like,
the back window
of a limo or something.
I don't know.
It's such a terrible,
terrible movie.
So you don't like,
like, so bad,
it's good type stuff?
I, I think I do,
but not that one.
Oh, that's, uh,
that's a...
Like, okay,
what's some other
so bad, it's good movies?
Okay, my favorite film.
I think The Cable Guy
is a piece of s***.
Inexcusable.
It's so bad.
What is The Cable Guy?
That's one of those movies
that people will defend
as being a so bad,
it's good.
I was literally,
the,
the one year
after that movie
came out old.
I don't know this movie.
1996, okay?
I was,
I was 10 or 11
when that came out.
I did not find that funny.
Isn't that a comedy?
Allegedly.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Comedies can't be
so bad, it's good.
That's, uh,
that's like,
it has to be sincere.
Okay.
It has to,
it has to be,
it has to be earnestly trying.
The Cable Guy is a comedy
slash thriller.
Yeah, so it's just
a bad movie.
So, one of my favorite
examples is
In Time
with, uh,
Justin Timberlake
as the lead role.
I don't know that.
Omni Pius
has Boondock Saints?
That's not a bad movie.
Is that a bad movie?
Uh, uh.
I love Boondock Saints.
IMDB,
hold on a second.
7.7.
No, that's not,
that's not a bad movie.
Like, what's Hackers?
Yeah, like,
Starship Troopers is funny.
I haven't watched it
since it came out,
but I definitely enjoyed it
when it came out.
Starship Troopers is art.
If you're saying that,
I love Starship Troopers.
Then you don't,
like, that's satire.
That is literally a comedy.
I'm just going based on,
I don't know,
does somebody
have a float plane,
it's probably Twitch chat,
you know?
Okay.
Float plane chat, okay?
Starship Troopers is satire.
That is a comedy.
Yeah, like,
like Galaxy Quest,
also hilarious.
That's not,
yeah, that's,
that's intentionally camp.
It's a comedy.
It's, yeah.
Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers
are amazing.
Okay.
W. Calderini says Roadhouse.
That's something I've,
I've heard is like,
a so bad it's supposed
to be good action movie,
but I haven't seen it.
Yes, Boondock Saints is bad.
How is Boondock Saints bad?
It's got Willem Dafoe in it.
It can't be bad by definition.
I love that.
Um,
some people like The Room.
I've actually,
I have not been able to
make myself watch The Room.
I watched,
I've seen like bits and pieces.
I don't need to watch the whole thing.
The like movie that was made
like about The Room.
Yeah, Disaster Artist.
Yeah.
So I think I've told this story before,
but I,
I watched Disaster Artist
without knowing it was based
on a true story.
Oh.
I start,
I tuned into it
over someone's shoulder
on an airplane.
Yeah.
So I missed the beginning
and I was like,
oh,
that looks pretty compelling
and I flipped it on
at the point that they were at
and I was like,
oh,
it's like,
it's a movie about
people making an awful movie
that doesn't make any sense.
They want film
and digital cameras
pointed at every scene
so they'll just shoot on both
and no one knows
where this guy's money came from
and he's so weird.
This is crazy.
And it wasn't until
the end credits rolled
and they did that thing
where they show
the recreations
and the original movie
side by side
that I went,
holy sh**
was a real movie.
That's actually
a really interesting way
to watch that.
It was an amazing way
to experience.
That's quite the reveal.
Yeah.
I don't think,
I don't think most people
would have that.
That's really rare.
Yeah.
No,
that's amazing.
It's,
you know,
it's funny because
these are the kinds of experiences
that are most magical
for me in movies
but are almost impossible
to recreate.
Another one of my favorites
was,
I forget which of the
bazillion and one
Marvel movies it was in
but the one where
Thor ends up
in a Coliseum fight
and his opponent
is the Hulk.
Okay.
I stopped watching
Marvel movies
a long time ago.
This was a long time ago.
Okay.
Yeah,
this was like eight years ago
or something like that.
I don't remember
when this one came out.
It doesn't matter.
The point is,
is that the friend
from work scene?
I think I've seen that.
Not the movie
but I think I've seen
this scene.
Anyway,
it doesn't,
Ragnarok.
Yeah,
it's from Thor Ragnarok
which was definitely awesome.
Anyway,
the Hulk is like front
and center on the movie poster
but I'd never seen it.
I never saw a movie poster,
never saw a trailer
and so this lead up
to like who is it,
who is it,
who is it,
who is it,
who is it in the movie
makes no sense
if you even glanced
at the movie poster
because you'll know
who it is
but I got to experience it
completely raw
and I was like,
hey,
it's the Hulk.
So it was,
yeah,
it was great.
Cool.
Not Hulk Hogan.
Okay,
I'm still,
I'm still trying to,
maybe I just don't watch
bad movies
because
none of these are,
yeah,
none of these are,
Monty Python,
okay,
yeah,
I'd say Monty Python
is kind of a so bad
it's good
but that's also comedy.
Yeah,
I don't think that counts.
So Dan,
you're saying anything
that's comedy
is not allowed?
No,
no,
so like the crossover,
you can't,
it's,
Luke unplugged it.
Oh.
Yeah,
you just get my voice.
He is in the chair,
anyway.
And it broke
before I unplugged it.
Yeah,
sure,
sure,
sure.
No,
there's a very,
very fine line
between,
what is so bad
it's good
and not all of them
are as
of the same level
of quality.
I loved Mortal Kombat
there.
Oh,
so that might be
a good example.
The original.
That movie is
f***ing awful.
Yeah,
see,
I'm like,
but you like watching it.
I'm like,
I'm kind of surprised
you can like Mortal Kombat
and not Hackers.
No,
no,
because like,
the interpretation
of what is so bad
is good
is very different.
Yeah,
but yeah,
Mortal Kombat's action,
I enjoyed it as well.
It's like campy bad action
whereas Hackers is
campy bad
f***ball happens
and it doesn't make
any sense.
Like if in Mortal Kombat,
one of the challenges
was resolved
through a game
of like f***ing
tiddlywinks or something,
then that also
wouldn't make any sense
and it would take me
out of it.
Fair enough.
But at least it has
a clear intent.
This is the tournament
of saving the earth
and Johnny Cage
has to beat
the weird thing
with obviously
fake arms on it.
Like it's
it's that 70s Batman
just sort of
unironically terrible
and yet it's
you can't look away.
Like,
yeah,
no,
there you go.
But they were trying.
They were trying
to make a good movie
and they didn't.
Yeah,
I think they were.
You can't fake
so bad it's good.
Like,
like hackers tried.
The rest of them tried.
That's the thing.
I can't tell.
I think they tried
to make a good movie.
I don't know
if they did.
I don't think
they tried to make
the hacking.
Yes.
They tried to be cool.
They wanted to make
hacking look cool.
Yes.
I don't believe you.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
They failed at it.
But a lot of that
was like style of the time.
People know what
hacking is.
This is 1995.
Right?
Do not talk to me
about 1995.
You never had style.
I was there
when it was written.
Yeah,
but you weren't
in the cool club.
What do you mean
I wasn't in the cool club?
You were never in the cool club.
You were like six.
Yeah,
and you weren't
in the cool club.
Both of these things
can be true.
And actually,
I was probably four.
Oh,
man.
Okay,
Napoleon Dynamite
f***ing sucks.
I'm sorry.
I did not enjoy it
at all.
That was way overhyped.
That was a very exhausting
time to live in
because like
people at school
would have the vote
for Pedro shirts.
Oh,
it was kind of
people were so into it.
Eat your food,
Tina.
Maybe part of the problem
was I watched it
in like a feverish
like fugue state
because I was like,
I was very sick.
Like I was bedridden.
And even in that state,
I couldn't bear
to sit through it.
It was so bad.
I didn't mind it,
but it was exhausting.
Like people were
too into it.
It was kind of insane.
It was one of those things
that were like
at that time,
if you weren't into it,
you were like
looked down upon
and it was weird.
So like people
would be into it
just to be cool,
if that makes sense.
Oh,
yeah,
it was kind of
the hit thing
at the moment,
right?
Ugh,
yeah,
it was very
okay now.
It was a lot.
It was too much.
I've got one
that'll get me canceled.
My Neighbor Totoro.
What?
So you're calling
that a bad movie?
Yeah.
I mean,
yeah,
nothing happens in it.
Exactly.
I think for me,
I actually only watched
that fairly recently,
like a couple years ago.
I watched it with my kids.
It was great.
It's not as good as,
what's the one
where they end up
in like the hotel
for like monsters
or whatever.
I forget what that one's called.
Spirited Away.
Definitely not as good
as Spirited Away.
But like,
my kids just...
That's so mad.
I told you.
I told you.
I told you they would cancel me.
Spirited Away is absolutely incredible.
It's just raw,
childish wonder.
I don't know.
Totoro,
yeah,
Totoro's more like,
it's like a poem
as a movie.
It's wonderful.
It's visual.
You can't say it's wonderful now.
Yeah,
but it's a bad movie.
Electro Bot says
Mars Attacks.
Mars Attacks.
What?
Mars Attacks is great.
Yeah.
But it's also
not trying to be,
it's trying,
it is exactly,
anytime Tom Jones shows up,
it's exactly
what it's trying to be.
All right.
Yeah.
Geez.
Why don't we move on?
Okay.
I feel like we're probably
losing a lot of viewers
right now forever.
That's my fault.
My neighbor Totoro.
That's literally me.
I'm so sorry.
How dare you?
This is,
this will be the next
controversy.
So,
so wait,
you said,
you said bad movie,
great experience?
Yeah.
As Linus said,
nothing happens,
but like it's magical
the whole time.
And really,
you had a great time.
Yeah,
that's no,
that's a good movie.
That's a good movie.
No,
no movie,
movie is a thing.
You know,
I disagree.
We can say the same thing
about hackers.
Like I liked watching
hackers the whole time.
Oh,
it's a terrible movie.
And I liked watching
neighbor Totoro the whole time.
Yeah,
but hackers,
I think comparing hackers
and Totoro is,
I told you,
a very difficult,
I told you canceled,
a difficult essay to write.
In this,
in this essay,
I will destroy my entire
professional career.
Miyazaki,
hackers,
same playing field.
Angelina Jolie,
cat bus,
cat bus.
Sorry,
all right.
Yeah,
we're at,
we're at when after dark.
Are there any topics
we were supposed to do?
What are we doing?
There's a segment
that you've got to do.
Hold on,
manifest,
manifest V3 destiny
is our,
is our,
is our topic here.
Google is resuming
its controversial
manifest V3 extension
format for Chrome,
which it paused
earlier this year
following public backlash
due to how sharply
it restricts web filtering
and ad blocking.
Sorry,
so what?
What now?
Oh no,
I'm sorry.
Oh no,
what happened?
Avon Fox,
who flipped play chat,
just said,
my neighbor,
Angelina Jolie.
Oh my God,
you got 128 baud,
cat bus,
cat bus got eight megs of ram,
we can surf the power lines
all night long.
You find your daughter
sleeping on her?
Oh,
oh boy.
I ain't judging.
Okay,
all right.
So,
some,
the original proposal
for manifest V3
limited web filters
to 5,000 filtering rules,
which Google has relaxed
to a limit of 30,000 rules.
uBlock Origin
currently has over
300,000 filtering rules
available to users.
In June 2024,
Google will turn off
manifest V2,
meaning that V2-based
extensions will be
unavailable from
the Chrome web store
and will automatically
be disabled
in users' browsers.
Google has argued
that manifest V3
by limiting extensions
will better protect
user privacy
and streamline Chrome.
However,
civil liberties groups
and security experts
have criticized
these claims
as V3 also limits
users' ability
to protect themselves,
especially their ability
to protect themselves
from Google,
who is responsible
for a massive amount
of internet tracking.
It also appears
that Google has
hard-coded
an artificial
five-second loading delay
into YouTube
for certain users.
This was initially
thought to be targeted
against Firefox
and Safari browsers
because the delay
disappeared when the site
was tricked into perceiving
the browser as Chrome.
However,
later user reports
indicated that the delay
could appear on Edge
and Chrome as well.
Oh, cool.
YouTube denied
that this was a matter
of which browser
and heavily implied
that the delay
was instead intended
to punish ad blockers.
So the campaign
that Google is running
against ad blocking
is clearly ongoing
and it will be interesting
to watch how this plays out
in the coming years
because it's far from over.
The whole punishing
ad blockers thing
I've always found
very interesting
because they're like,
we want you to have
a particularly worse time,
but we're a publicly
traded company.
A lot of our money
comes from amount of users,
so we don't want you
to leave.
We just want to annoy you.
It's interesting
how they try
to play that line.
They're like,
we want to annoy you
enough that we can
maybe push you
into buying something,
but we don't want
to annoy you enough
that you leave.
So we're going to
make you wait
five seconds,
I guess.
Yeah,
it seems like
kind of a nothing burger.
Yeah.
Like it's,
I don't get it.
Like,
and if you're going
to make me wait,
why don't you make
me wait 15 seconds
and then make it
skippable after five?
Nothing has reversed
course on blue bubbles,
so iOS colored bubbles
on their Android devices.
They have removed
the Nothing Chats beta
from the Play Store,
claiming they were,
wait,
I thought we talked
about this last week.
Blah,
blah,
blah,
blah.
No,
they reversed course.
Last week we talked
about how they were
doing it.
No,
I thought we talked
about how they
weren't doing it anymore.
Well,
whatever,
they're not doing it
anymore.
Okay.
Cool.
And then there's
one more topic
that I wanted to hit here
and that was
the EU Parliament.
Oh,
sorry,
there is actually
a small part of this
that is important.
Hold on,
let's go back.
Sunbird,
we talked about
Sunbird last week.
You asked,
like,
does this sound secure?
And I was like,
yeah,
well,
turns out,
not really.
Sunbird might not
collect users' messages
on its own servers,
but it was found
that Sunbird stores
thousands of media files
in the cloud service
Firebase,
indicating that it might
be collecting and storing
them externally.
And if I remember correctly,
they transfer
some amount of stuff
through just
straight up HTTP,
not HTTP.
Oh,
sick.
So,
so not good then.
Yeah.
Sunbird,
not cool.
What is cool
is the EU.
Like,
can they stop
posting these massive
Ws so we don't have
to talk about them
every single week?
We've got to put a
really squared off chin
on the EU logo.
The European Parliament
has near unanimously
approved a final draft
of regulatory rules
which require transparent,
fair parts pricing,
access to essential
spare parts,
and require repair
services to be available
even after the end
of warranties,
and ban software blocks
that are intended
to hamper repair,
a.k.a.
parts pairing.
590 votes
were in favor
with 15 paid off
by big tech
and another 15
that were too
chicken shit
to show up.
Wow!
So sick.
That is incredible.
Like,
this stuff is not
justifiable.
Right?
Like,
Apple,
by all means,
serialize your
displays or whatever.
That's fine
so that you can
track your parts
out there in the wild.
You know,
put little,
like Apple,
this is kind of cool,
Apple has like
little micro engravings
on some of their stuff
so that they can track
which supplier it came from
and all that kind of
cool stuff.
By all means,
do that stuff.
Sure.
But when I take
my iPhone screen
and I put it in an iPhone,
it needs to just work.
No,
I'm not,
no,
there shouldn't be
a special process to pair.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
And now,
finally,
a government,
or a governing body
agrees.
In December,
the EU parliament
will negotiate the rules
with the European Council,
which is composed
of the heads of state
of EU countries.
If both bodies
pass the legislation,
it will become law.
That process will take
at least a year.
Finally.
So cool.
Finally.
So cool.
It's happening.
EU.
EU with the W.
I would have never guessed
this would have been,
like,
the thing
that would have
solved a lot of these problems.
No,
me neither.
I didn't see this one coming.
Even when the EU
was being formed,
no inkling in my mind.
Yeah,
I don't get it.
But it's happening.
I'm stoked on it.
Okay,
there's a segment here.
Linus and Luke react
to the social team's
cool case design.
Do you know anything
about this?
Have you heard about this?
Personally,
no.
Dan seems to know
something about this.
Dan just took off.
He's not in his chair.
That's an outdated,
that's still from before,
but he's also not
in his chair right now.
So,
cool.
I think the,
I think that camera
follows motion,
and I think the fact
that I lifted the camera,
I think it got really upset.
What?
Oh,
cute.
What is this?
It's like
hackers,
the computer case.
Wow,
this is,
this is,
caution,
do not drop.
What is this for?
Really something.
What,
yeah,
what is,
what,
what is this?
The,
wow,
it looks like you're,
hold on,
what does that say?
It looks like you're trying to,
it looks like you're trying
to open up the back panel.
Would you like a tech tip instead?
I swear it's not messy in there.
They made me clippy.
I'm clippy now.
Also,
is this the Windows XP back?
Oh my gosh,
it goes all the way
into the inside.
That is amazing.
This is like too well done.
It's green grass
on the inside.
How is this painted?
It's not a sticker,
I don't think.
Probably,
oh,
is this like a UV,
like a UV print?
Wow,
this is so cool.
Okay,
well,
it apparently came from
V1 Tech for a sponsored post.
But the aesthetic
and the memes
are courtesy of the social team.
Okay.
Great job,
you guys.
Very cool.
It looks absolutely fantastic.
I was just confused
at like how they did it,
but V1 Tech,
that makes sense.
Yeah,
that totally makes sense.
It's absolutely beautiful.
Great design.
You're actually going
to leave that there?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm trying to block
the whole show.
Yeah,
I guess so.
What is it going to say?
Do not drop on the GPU?
The back plate?
Yeah,
yeah,
it does.
Very cool.
Hilarious.
All right,
thanks Dan.
I love the Windows XP
theming.
I also love that Dan
is unironically wearing
the Uncle Linus's
Potato Farm hoodie.
It's a very comfy hoodie.
It is a very comfy hoodie.
It's freaking awesome.
That's cool.
Good job.
I misplaced mine.
I actually don't have one.
Don't have my cultist hoodie.
All right.
My roommate Dan
just like actually bought one.
Nice.
Yeah.
Nice.
He likes it as far as I know.
No,
it's awesome.
It's legitimately
really comfortable.
Yeah,
yeah.
I was so surprised.
I just have so many sweaters
that I didn't bother.
Yeah.
What would you need sweaters
for anyway?
Yeah.
He's a warm boy.
All right.
I think it's time for
WAN Show After Dark.
Yeah.
We're not going to get
through all of these today.
Probably not.
Folks.
Although you say that a lot
and then we do it anyways.
No,
we will not.
There are 344 in the arriving queue.
This is the only time
he's been corrected.
That is not possible.
Do we like a speed run?
I think we should do
some speed runs.
I think we should do
some longer answers.
Just try and kind of
mix it up a little bit.
Kind of get to some of them.
Yeah.
I'm going to try to chug through stuff.
But we got over a thousand
merch messages today,
you guys.
I just don't think it's...
Let's go.
You won't be able to like
reply to any of them
in the incoming.
Yeah.
That's why I haven't touched them.
So my Chrome tab
is currently using
four gigs of memory
and Chrome does not like that.
So there's some stuff
that's going to get rewritten.
So this won't be a problem again.
Because when the queue
is over about 100, 200,
then it starts to slow down.
You should be able to reopen
because like mine isn't
taking anywhere near that much.
Okay.
Well, can you reply to them?
I can see.
I have been through it.
Walked right into that one.
I mean, if you hit show
on that one,
does it show it?
Show.
It takes forever.
Eventually,
sometimes,
it will show.
And I just reloaded the tab.
Yeah, no.
Doing that does not help.
So it'll be fixed for the future.
But yeah,
unfortunately,
I can't keep up with them.
If I was able to have them show
and reply to them instantly,
like when they're sub 100,
then generally it works okay.
But I want to hear
some mind-boggling numbers, Luke.
Conrad,
do not just start working on this.
We have other stuff to do.
Sorry.
I want to hear
some mind-boggling numbers.
Yeah.
To be clear,
today was not a money-making day.
So these are,
these are
top line,
top line numbers,
not bottom line numbers.
But we moved
3,000 blank t-shirts today.
That's a lot.
3,000.
Just a quick note for Dan.
Yeah, I just replied and sent one.
It worked fine.
Did it?
It takes a long time
to actually go,
but it works.
Yeah, but I have to do
one every like
two seconds.
I know.
We sold 600 backpacks.
Which probably means
600 jackets.
Yeah.
Um,
480 dog hoodies.
That's a lot.
These are
mind-boggling
numbers to me.
I don't know.
Am I,
am I alone here?
No,
I just think you're nuts.
That is.
I said that earlier though.
Crazy.
Sales are
too much.
This year was,
uh,
this year was a,
a correction year.
We,
we,
um,
we wanted to create
some excitement.
We wanted to,
um,
we,
we have some new ideas
for things we want
to do on the store.
So we're looking to,
we're looking to turn
some,
some product lines
even.
Um,
and maybe we went
a little too aggressive
from like a pretty
aggressive P and L
standpoint,
uh,
profit and loss.
Um,
but you know what?
Overall,
the community has
seemed pretty stoked
on it.
Yeah.
There's a lot of
really positive,
but yeah,
there was that thread.
There was that thread
on the forum of people
complaining about our
strategy of doing like
deal drops every day
because they were like,
well,
I'd rather have all the
deals at once,
uh,
so that I can consolidate
all my shipping.
And I was like,
you know,
I think once the deal
started dropping,
this is probably not
going to be a concern
for you.
And that thread has
gone silent ever
since the deal
started showing up
because it's like,
yeah,
okay,
I'm sorry.
That's actually not
how loss leading works.
I can't put every
loss leader deal up
so that you can just
buy all the loss
leaders at once.
That's just,
I'm sorry.
That's just not
how it works.
Um,
but I think the deals
are good enough
that people are not
upset.
Um,
yeah,
like literally,
oh yeah,
a lot of screwdrivers,
thousands of screwdrivers.
Um,
today,
today was a wild day.
Uh,
and guess what?
Well,
it's nowhere near over.
Oh.
Oh yeah.
When does it end?
Saturday's going to be
super aggressive.
Sunday's going to be
super aggressive.
Monday's going to be
super aggressive.
So if you,
if you saw something
that you likey
today,
uh,
the odds are
that you are going
to see something
that you definitely
also likey,
uh,
sometime in the next
few days.
Um,
we've got,
we've got a lot
of really good deals
coming up.
All right.
So yeah,
do we,
uh,
sorry,
Aaron K,
they're not made
of bread.
And then I can't
click on them though.
Like I can't,
I have no way of
organizing them then,
Dan?
Nope.
Can I archive them?
Can I do anything to them?
Nope.
There's also 500 in the queue.
None of that is true.
Stop.
Yes,
you can.
There's just a huge delay.
Do the action and then move on.
Really?
Yes.
And it'll eventually do it?
Yes.
Because I had one that didn't
eventually do it.
You might have to refresh your tab
or do whatever.
I guarantee you I've done,
I've done a fair amount of this
already.
Oh,
uh,
no,
we haven't considered working
with Vessi to stock their
products on the store.
Probably that wouldn't happen
because they're a direct to
consumer brand and I suspect
their margin model would not
work very well,
uh,
with having a reseller.
So Luke,
that's actually interesting
because,
um,
next Scrapyard Wars
eventually,
Aiden.
Are you control
when you refresh?
No,
apparently,
um,
you know,
some laptops can handle
over 500,
um,
over 500,
like in queue
displayed.
William is offended that
you suggested removing
thumb holes.
His 90s emo
childhood is offended.
So get wrecked.
Um,
Hmm.
Uh,
Nicholas asked,
where do you guys draw the
line when covering topics
that could be considered
not quite legal?
You guys have covered
Plex,
emulators,
pie hole,
and the like.
Um,
I mean,
for us,
I think that,
uh,
our line is wherever
the,
the community kind of,
kind of draws it.
I mean,
we've,
we've gone out of our way
to make content.
I think pie hole is probably
the biggest example of
something that is a,
uh,
is a clear and obvious
threat to our livelihoods.
And yet we cover it anyway
because we think the
technology is really
interesting.
There,
that's the line.
And if we think the
technology is really
interesting,
we'll talk about it.
Like this is not a,
this is not a,
you know,
an X rated,
you know,
R rated podcast or
whatever,
whatever the adult rating
for a podcast would be.
But we regularly talk
about,
uh,
you know,
Pornhub,
for example,
if they're doing
something that we think
is interesting from a
technological standpoint,
or if regulators are
going after them in a way
that could have an impact
on the tech industry
more broadly.
So I think for us,
we are the internet in
general.
How is pie hole a threat?
Are you guys serious
right now?
I mean,
it is,
they are,
they are a user on
float plane,
so it's not there.
You're actually paying us
for the content.
Thank you very much.
But,
um,
a huge part of our
revenue comes from
advertising,
believe it or not.
I know it's crazy,
right?
Like YouTube creators,
uh,
yeah,
ads and that's how they
make my answers.
What?
Uh,
I know I,
I am being nice.
I'm,
I'm being,
I'm being nicely,
um,
understanding that
they might not have
realized that ads are
what supports creators
online.
I,
I,
I was also confused
by it.
I,
I just had no idea.
Doesn't make any sense.
I don't get it.
Uh,
anyway,
I know you guys have
done a video on running
windows on Chromebooks
via virtualization.
Any plans to look at
the crawl tra book
project?
It's running windows,
Linux,
bare metal with the
UAPI.
You know,
that sounds cool,
except I honestly feel
like Chrome OS is kind
of like the future.
That's a super,
super controversial
take.
I,
I,
I,
Oh man,
this could be a whole
topic.
This could be a whole
video.
I think this will be a
whole video at some
point,
but I think in the way
that steam OS has
taken Linux mainstream
for gaming for
handheld gaming and
maybe even living room
gaming Chrome OS
mainstream Linux laptop.
It supports steam now.
So the,
the day of the
Linux desktop is
Chrome OS.
Chrome OS.
The install base is
enormous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A whole generation of
kids,
man,
it's,
it's the future.
Chrome OS.
The future no one
wanted except for
Google.
Windows fanboys didn't
want it.
Linux fanboys didn't
want it.
No one likes it.
It's what we got,
but there's tens,
hundreds of millions
of them out there.
Darkest timeline.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like most multicolor
because the Chrome
logo.
Yeah.
Oh man,
I don't like it,
but I,
I kind of see it
coming.
I kind of see it
coming.
No Linus,
no spyware OS.
I,
I don't make the rules,
man.
It's there.
It's there.
Um,
okay.
Luke W asks,
Linus,
you've got $2 million.
You can spend it on
A,
a Rimac Nevera,
B,
a brick and mortar
LTT store,
C,
to bribe Asus
to make an OLED ally,
or D,
you let Luke and Dan
spend it on new
merch ideas.
Well,
not D,
because we'd end up
with bread or
something.
Bread did well.
I don't deny that
bread did well.
You didn't come up
with bread.
I definitely wouldn't
bribe Asus to make
an OLED ally.
They'll do it soon
enough.
So we're left with
a brick and mortar
LTT store,
or see,
here's the thing.
Um,
that's not how
money works.
If I had $2 million,
I would be able to
buy a fraction of a
Rimac Nevera,
because by the time
you deal with taxes,
especially the luxury
tax on cars here in
British Columbia,
I would be buying
like about two
fifths of a Rimac
Nevera.
Um,
so I guess I'm
going to go with
the brick and mortar
LTT store,
but I,
I think that would
end up being quite
unsuccessful.
I,
I,
I just don't know
if our foot traffic
would be high enough.
A small pickup
location?
Maybe.
The one good part
of that one is you,
you bought a,
a location.
So at least the money
went towards what is
technically an investment.
Yeah.
I'm,
I'm down for real
estate.
Yeah.
I'm down for real
estate investing.
Yeah.
Um,
to be clear,
I'm okay.
I don't think I've
really talked about
this on the show
much.
I'm not that into,
uh,
residential real estate
investing.
I commercial is a lot
different.
I don't think it's that
cool,
but,
um,
that's a whole
kind of word.
Oh yeah.
Um,
sorry,
Griffin.
I don't think we're
going to get into
non-tech experiences
for now,
but Hey,
thank you so much
for sending in a
merch message.
Greetings from Iceland
with the new CEO.
Have there been some
internal changes that
he's been able to get
through or is it still
a bit gung-ho free
for all?
I mean,
it was never gung-ho
free for all.
We had a CEO before
just saying sort of,
uh,
tape.
Whoa.
Um,
have there been some
changes?
Yeah.
All right.
Fair enough.
Thanks.
Good question.
We have time today
to go way too into
it,
but yeah,
there have been
and good ones.
Uh,
Benjamin,
what's a mechanic
slash quirk of
retro games you
sorely miss?
Man,
I don't know if I
sorely miss it,
but remember cheat
codes?
Like beep,
beep,
beep,
beep,
I missed cheat codes.
I liked it a lot.
It's kind of cute.
There's a few games
that like really
played into it.
Like,
uh,
uh,
Blitz back in the
day was objectively
better because of
cheat codes.
It was fun.
They even made it
so that like if you
didn't know them,
you could still
like accidentally
do it.
So like without
looking things up
on the internet,
you could like
randomly get some
of them and then
maybe you'd learn
them that way
because you'd be
able to reproduce
it and then figure
it out.
It was kind of
cool.
I don't think we
have plans for a
standalone windbreaker
deal at the time,
Zachary.
Sorry.
When was the last
time you broke
something and
thought you would
never recover?
Oh,
LTT breaks a lot
of things,
says Levi.
When was the last
time you broke
something and
thought you would
never recover?
Uh,
I don't know.
I mean,
we,
we're pretty good
at what we do.
Pretty resilient.
Yeah,
I,
and I think
it's like the
camera,
but we would
have recovered.
It just would
have sucked.
Yeah,
I don't think
that's what
Levi means.
I think it's
like,
like,
like breaking,
like moving
fast and breaking
things like that
kind of breaking
things.
And I think we
for a long time,
whether it was
skill or luck,
we,
we kind of rode
from one success
to another.
Like there's a
long period where
our viewership just
goes like this.
Um,
and there are
times more
recently,
like over the
last probably
three to four
years when
sometimes it
dips and
sometimes it
goes up and
sometimes it
dips and
sometimes it
goes up and
sometimes we're
just at the
mercy of the
tech industry
and sometimes
it's because
we haven't
nailed the
tone with
the content.
Um,
but I don't
think I,
I don't think
I've ever really
been at a
point where,
um,
I'm sitting
here going,
you know,
we broke
something,
we're never
going to
recover.
With enough
effort,
it's always
been possible.
Yeah,
we have a
great team.
I'd love to
see a roundup
of smart home
improvements you've
done.
Yeah,
that would be,
that would be
the shortest
video ever
where I just
kind of talk
about my
horrible light
switches and
my,
uh,
blinds that I
can't figure
out how to
get,
um,
yeah,
well,
what's the,
what's the word
for adopted or
no,
not adopted.
I forget what
the stupid word
is and no JS
or whatever it
is.
Um,
yeah,
there's,
there's a few
different messages
about Steam Deck
OLED and,
and stuff like
that.
Um,
I have
officially,
definitely,
for sure,
decided not to
get one.
Wow,
what a surprise.
Luke decided not
to buy something.
I have a better
reason.
Shocking.
Because I did
buy other
things.
Okay,
what?
Yeah.
Not a handheld
gaming thing.
Sort of.
Shut up,
you did not.
Sort of.
I don't believe
you.
I bought
Switch games.
Yeah,
exactly.
I just told
you,
it's like
such horse
sh**.
But now,
like,
the amount of
time.
So misleading.
Like,
I didn't believe
him for a
second,
you guys.
Not even
for a second.
He buys
games,
that's not
the question.
Yeah,
but they're
sick,
because I
bought them
in Japan.
And they're
all Japanese.
But when you
put them in
your Switch,
they play in
English.
Okay.
Which is
awesome.
So the game
cases look
cool.
You know that
that was an
option not in
Japan,
right?
You could
just buy,
import Japanese
Switch games.
Yeah,
but they were
cheaper,
because you
get them
without taxes.
No,
they weren't,
because you
paid for an
airfare to
Japan.
Oh,
yeah,
fair enough.
I did that
for other
reasons,
to be fair.
Wait,
you haven't
talked about
your trip.
Yeah,
not really.
It was
freaking
awesome.
It was
really cool.
Hung out
with Sam.
The first
few days,
my brother
and I
just cruised
around Tokyo
and that
was sweet.
We went
to Pokemon
Center Mega.
We're both
into Pokemon.
We both
play Pokemon
Go,
so that
was fun.
That whole
mall is
kind of
crazy.
If you're
into anime
stuff,
there's a
one-piece
store,
there's
a
Miyazaki,
I don't
remember.
My Neighbor
Totoro,
Spirited Away,
all of those,
they have one
store for that.
Studio Ghibli.
Studio Ghibli,
there we go.
They had all
these other
different things.
It was a very
cool place.
Went there,
went to,
oh my god,
I'm going to
forget all the
names of the
things that
people like and
it's going to
drive people
crazy.
Akihabara,
I believe it's
called.
Electric Town
is what it
used to be
called.
That was a
really interesting
place.
I know you
have no desire
for long
plane flights.
Luke invited
me to go on
this trip as
well.
You would
have had a
great time.
I'm sure I
would have.
You would
have really
enjoyed it.
I was really
busy back here.
Yes, I do
believe you
considering I
came back and
my to-do list
is actually
genuinely
terrifying.
It makes
sense.
It's like
having a real
boss now.
It's my own
stuff.
It's my own
tasks.
He's actually
like pretty
chill.
Anyways,
but yeah,
this place,
the amount of
like used
computers,
like there
was a very
major store
with a lot
of people in
it.
The front
display facing
the street
had old
thinkpads
from like
2011.
It was
like very
interesting.
There's a lot
of that type
of stuff,
but they're
very good
condition and
everything.
Almost every
computer store
that I went
into had
used stuff.
Like there
was,
there was,
I walked
into a
store that
sold like
one-off
built
computers that
people had
like sold
back to the
store when
they were
getting new
ones and
stuff.
So you
get like
custom rigs.
There's like,
it's a very
interesting place
to walk around
in.
Yeah,
Tokyo in
general was
cool.
We did a
few other
things.
We did
something called
TeamLab,
which was
like actually
amazing.
It's this
like immersive
art installation
thing and it
was actually
really,
really cool.
Yeah,
TeamLab
Planets
Tokyo.
Really weird.
I didn't
expect to do
this.
The one
that I
knew about
in regards
to TeamLab
was not
this
Planets
thing.
Planets
itself was
quite the
experience.
Very cool.
Yeah.
And then we
went up
north.
We got
out of
Tokyo,
went to
Ibisu
Circuit and
drifted and
watched
drifting for
a few days
with Samet
and the
crew.
Barely spent
any time
with Samet
himself because
Samet was
busy,
oh,
I don't
know,
drifting and
like hanging
out with his
drifting people.
But his team,
I spent a lot
of time with,
they were super
cool.
We got to do a
little drifting
ourselves.
We watched a
bunch of
drifting.
That was fun
to immerse
ourselves into
for a little
while.
That was
sweet.
Do you see
one of the
life-size
Gundams?
Yep.
Did see one
of those.
It was a very
good trip.
Japan in
general.
Fantastic.
Food was
amazing.
Once we
got out of
Tokyo.
And I'm
told that's
a weird
experience,
so we
probably went
to the
wrong places
when we
were in
Tokyo.
That's
probably our
bad.
I don't
know.
But the
second we
got to
like the
was it
Nihon
Metsu?
I don't
remember the
exact name
of the
town we
were staying
in outside
of the
Ibisu
circuit area.
But once we
got out to
like the
smaller town
that we
ended up
staying in
for most
of the
trip,
the food
was
incredible.
Super,
super good.
Fantastic.
It was
very fun.
Do you
want some
of the
ones I
curated or
what's your
plan?
How are you
tackling this?
My tab is
completely locked
up.
So I'm
going to
refresh.
Oh, it
just works
fine, Dan.
I didn't say
it worked
fine.
You were
saying it
didn't work
at all.
And it
does.
I didn't
say it
was a
skill
issue.
You didn't
have to
say it.
I'm just
sitting here
replying and
then I was
thinking maybe
I'll just
sit here,
have a nap,
wake up and
maybe see it
go across the
screen at some
point.
One hour,
40 minutes.
507 minute
queue.
So there is
really no
actual reason
to do
typed replies.
Oh, I feel
bad because
there's a ton
of really good
discussion topics
and stuff.
There is.
I just tried to
curate one and
it just wouldn't.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Maybe it'll do
it in like 10
minutes.
I'm sorry to
the anonymous
person who says
that your order
was cancelled
against your
wishes and
the deal is
gone.
Hit up
support.
Yeah, they
did hit up
support.
Apparently,
there's nothing
we can do
about it.
So I'm
very sorry.
So I've
got that
one.
Sorry about
that.
I got
scammed on
eBay.
What's a
scam that you
would find
obvious but
have seen
others fall
for?
Oh, man.
A big one
is definitely
moving eBay
purchases off
platform.
to be
clear, I've
actually had
okay experiences
with people
saying, hey,
let's resolve
this one-to-one.
This biker
put, it's
like a hog,
so it had
the long,
I don't know
what the bars
are called
that go down
to the front
wheel, like
a chopper
style bike.
Anyway, one
of those went
through the door
of my car
because he
just like
turned into
me out of
nowhere.
He's like,
no, I've
got one of
these Suzuki
Swifts in
my yard.
I'll just
rip the door
off for you
and I'll
put it on.
And he
kind of did.
It was
like, okay.
The lock
didn't work
anymore, but
realistically, he
was going to
lock that
car.
So there, it
worked out
okay.
You got a
bad deal.
What was I
going to do?
Go through
insurance on
like a $400
car?
Yeah, fair
enough.
Yeah, yeah.
It seemed like
kind of a
dick move
to make
him, you
know, have
his insurance
premiums go
up.
But like the
monthly charge
that his
insurance premiums
would go up
is probably
more than
that car
is worth.
Insurance is
such a whack
thing.
Just for
getting in
an accident.
Yeah.
Armstrong, I'm
sorry I got,
I went to
the wrong
timeline.
It's $270,
not $260.
How could
you make such
a silly
mistake?
I'm sorry
I did my
best.
Oh my
gosh, this
is just, it's
overwhelming.
It almost
feels like
there's no
point looking
at anything
because there's
so many.
Dean asks,
if K-stify
sponsored you
to wrap
the tie
can, would
you still
stick with
Warzone?
If K-stify
sponsored me
to wrap
the tie
can,
trying to
think, I'm
trying to
think, would
I do it to
make dbrand
actually mad?
I feel like
that would
be like a
too far
situation.
The easiest
thing about
it.
I wouldn't
take their
money, I
wouldn't
take their
money, but
I could see
negotiating
something where
I have like a
K-stify skin.
You should wrap the
tie can in the
K-stify version
of the x-ray
phone.
And then I
tell dbrand,
here's a
sponsorship
opportunity, I
will crush the
tie can in the
K-stify skin or
something like that.
Like that's the
kind of wild
that they would
go crazy for.
Yeah, yeah, that
lines up.
I do not wish to
crush my tie can.
We don't have
like kind of
that, that sort
of wasteful
approach to our
content.
That's the only
scenario where I
could see wrapping
the tie can in a
K-stify skin is to
like, is as part of
an elaborate troll
or something like
that.
Like we've worked
with dbrand since
basically day zero
of dbrand.
We were one of
their first partners.
They were one of
our first partners
and we, we
rib each other
hard, but you
know, there's,
there's mutual
respect there.
So I think that
if we were to, if
we were to, to, to
sell out that
relationship, like
business is about
more than just
money guys.
If we were to
sell out that
relationship for a
few bucks, I
think that would
say a lot about
me.
I think that would
say a lot about
our company.
I think that would
say a lot about
our, y'all have
been through some
stuff at this
point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, this is a
question for you
guys, but I'm
going to answer
it.
John asks if
Dan and Luke
had to pick a
harebrained tech
inspired home
improvement project
like Linus,
where would they
start?
And would their
SOS be okay?
I'm hijacking
this.
I was told
today that it
is a serious
disturbance to
have the AC
running in the
editing den while
we're trying to
shoot in the
build corner, to
which I responded,
excuse me,
motherfucker, the
AC is running.
The temperature
outside is like
four degrees
Celsius.
Why are we
running air
conditioning?
And the response
was, I think you
see where I'm
going with this,
that it gets too
hot in the
editing den.
And so I'm
sitting there, I'm
noodling, I'm
thinking, I'm
going, it could
there be some
way to remove
the heat from
the computers in
the editing den
without expelling
it into the
editing den?
Whole warehouse
cooling?
Let's go.
Whole warehouse
water cooling?
Are we doing
it?
Well, it sounds
like we'll have
to.
What are we
going to do?
Run AC in
the winter?
It's ridiculous.
No, that's
insane.
It makes no
sense.
Yeah.
I like it.
I'm down.
And we can do
it properly.
But no.
The idea works.
It just, yeah.
There's a new
idea.
Okay.
Inspired by
data center
cooling, where
they've got the
whole rack and
they've got like
that big radiator
door on it.
And from what
we learned, from
what we learned
through our
various, you
know, water
cooling things
pools and
rooftop
radiators and
all of that.
And also, what
I learned
cooling the
room at my
house, where
I had like the
dual radiator
set up inside
and out.
Holy crap.
No.
Eureka
moment.
It just came
to me.
We're finally
going to do a
case.
Okay.
This is
brilliant.
Do you want
to detail all
of this right
now?
You know
what?
I might as
well.
If someone
beats us
to it, I
don't know.
I think that
people will
wait for
ours.
We can be
pretty slow
about stuff.
I think people
will wait for
the proper
one.
Tall shirts?
Chill.
We design a
case that
has its own
radiator door
airflow style
and is
designed to
have a
radiator at
the back.
So you
air cool
the computer
and then
you run
your water
outside.
So you
remove the
heat of
the system
from the
room, but
you don't
have to
fuss about
with water
cooling.
You're going to
sell four of
these cases.
Chill.
Other than to
hook up two
tubes to the
back of the
case, that's
it, and then
you just run
them outside.
It's genius.
So you're
cooling the air
that comes out
of the
computer?
Yes.
Because I
mean, there's
other components
you want to
cool down.
It makes
sense.
I just think
you're going
to sell
four.
Four thousand?
I don't
know about
that.
In all
seriousness, I
don't think
that's a real
product, but
if we were to
do a whole
editing den
water cooling
setup, that
actually could
make sense
because then
we don't
have to install
blocks on
everything.
Kyle at
Linus, no.
Oh, man.
Yeah, I
mean, I
think whole
room water
cooling there
is reasonable
enough.
I think if
you had a, I
think you did
this with the
pool, to be
completely honest,
I haven't
followed the
episodes closely
enough, but if
you had a
system where you
could change
where it was
dumping the
heat, because
being able to
dump it in the
warehouse in the
winter would be
great, but you
don't want to
dump it in the
warehouse in the
summer.
I didn't bother
at home.
I actually did
pitch something
to Yvonne like
this, putting
like, you know
those really
silly fireplaces
that have a
fan beneath
some like
shredded cloth
and they have
like red and
orange lights?
I was like,
okay, hear me
out.
I dumped the
server heat into
the living room
fireplace and I
just have like
one of those
above the fan.
That did not,
that was not
successful.
It would have
been funny.
That was a
failed pitch.
It would have
been funny.
I don't need
to at home because
the pool always
needs some heat,
even in the
winter.
You're not
supposed to
empty it because
it can like,
the air under
the like
groundwater can
like lift the
whole thing if
they didn't
engineer it
properly and
I'm sure that
our builders
didn't engineer
it properly.
definitely not.
John Lopana said
why not duck that
heat into the
warehouse?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we need to
be able to also
not do that.
Yeah, so here
we would want to
be able to, we
would want to
have a valve so
that we could
dump it into the
warehouse in the
winter and then
dump it outside in
the summer.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
Yeah, that'd be
sick.
Anyway, if you
guys wanted to
talk about
harebrained tech
inspired home
improvements, that
was sort of for
you and I
hijacked it hard.
Oh my goodness.
No, all my
stuff just sucks.
I have water
damage that I have
to get fixed.
It's going to
cost me a ton of
money and my
AC started leaking
again.
It's leaked like
three times now
and I called one
AC company and
they were like,
oh yeah, what
model is it?
And I told them
the model and
they were like,
oh yeah, we
refuse to work on
those now.
And I was like,
what?
Why?
And they're like,
oh, they're just
so trash that we
fix them and then
people just blame
it on us when it
breaks again and
we actually will
not work on it
again.
Oh.
And I was like,
do I need to
get a new one?
And they were
like, if you want
to work with us,
yeah, but like,
I'm not even
trying to upsell
you.
You just call
someone else.
We just don't
want to work on
that.
I was like,
okay, so I
called another
company, same
thing.
So.
Well, who's,
what's the
make?
It's a
Samsung.
Oh, really?
I like thought
it would be
fine when I
got the place.
So here's the
thing about
smart inverter.
Here's the thing
about air
conditioners.
As far as I
can tell, like
even the big
companies will
just like white
label them and
stuff.
I don't know.
Like when I
bought my like
Senville one, I
was like, who
the heck is
Senville?
Like what even
what even is
this?
And then as far
as I could
tell, it was
exactly the same
AC as one from
a different company
and then it was
exactly the same
thing as some
other company.
By the way, that
thing has worked
perfectly.
It's been a
tank.
My in-laws are
still using it.
Yeah, I don't
know what the
it's yeah, it's
I think it's I'm
pretty sure it's
called Samsung
smart inverter.
Hi, DLL.
What has been the
best deal you've
ever gotten?
Five bucks for
a DVD writer back
in like 2004 or
something.
All right.
Sorry.
It was a DVD
reader, CD
rewriter.
It was a Black
Friday special.
It was a whole
pyramid of them
at future shop
and I went for
it.
It was five bucks
after mail-in
rebate and I
sent in that
mail-in rebate
and I got it.
It was like 25
bucks with a
$20 MIR or
something like
that and I
went for it.
Five dollar
optical drive.
Funny story, I
never used it.
Not even once.
I used to, one
of the ways that
I used to make
money building
computers for
people would be
that I would take
all the MIRs.
Oh, hey, you
probably aren't
going to bother
with this.
Do you mind if
I take those?
Almost always.
Yeah, sure.
Wow.
Interesting.
Yeah, there was
margin to be made
like that because
you'd often have
like $20, $30
MIRs sometimes
and that's all
the margin you
would make
building a
computer.
MIRs used to
be a big deal
so there'd be a
ton of parts that
would have them
and you'd collect
them all together
and it's a decent
amount and it can
be a little tedious
but if you build
like three or four
computers in a month
then you just do
all of them at
the same time.
Yeah.
Not bad.
I like it.
Sigan, whatever.
Yeah, it's a heat
pump.
I just call it an
AC because they
don't use it for
heat.
What are you
talking about,
Joshua?
No, we should
not normalize
building $2,000
PCs to play
Minecraft.
Hmm.
Jeremiah asks,
how would you
feel about a
live adaptation
film of Final
Fantasy VI?
I don't know
if it would work
as a film.
I don't think it
would be very good.
Not to be that
guy.
I think it works
as a game.
Hey, have you
played anymore?
Not since we
last time.
Really, you're
not going to
play Final Fantasy
in Japan?
No.
That's fair.
I didn't play
like any games
in Japan.
Yeah, that's
fair.
You were busy.
Michael Cera
as Gal.
No.
How many
more of these
are we going
to do?
There's 471
in arriving.
I think,
I have a feeling
if we killed
it and even
potentially turned
it back on
again to split
the thingamajig,
it might work
better.
I've got curated
in potential if
you want to go
through that.
Sure, why don't
you give us a few
Dan?
Is that
working?
Are you able
to curate
stuff right now?
No, but I
did before
everything.
I said 471.
It's up to
527 now.
This isn't even
people buying
stuff so they
can send a
merch message.
This is people
buying stuff
because the
deals are stupid.
I'm like,
I guess I'll
send a merch
message.
Guys, if you
send a merch
message now,
we are not
going to get
to it unless
your name is
William G.
In which case,
I don't know,
you were right
at the top of
the queue.
I guess we
get to it.
I legit forgot
to do two of
the items I
wanted, so I'm
buying a second
batch of items.
Thanks for
getting brain.
Hey, sup
William G.
Okay, Dan,
hit me.
Sure.
15 years of
LTT.
Let's go.
What is
something you
wish could be
brought back
from the
last 15
years to
now?
I think we
already did
this topic
today, Dan.
Seriously?
Yeah, it's
fine.
It's been a
long time.
I haven't been
able to pay
attention.
I'm sorry, I
meant to say
this was going
to happen
earlier.
I've always
heard that you
shouldn't buy a
TV during the
Black Friday
because it's
common.
Didn't we
already read
these?
You didn't
archive them?
Well, it
doesn't work.
Okay, I'm
sorry.
Where?
OLED, let's
see.
Yeah, I
wasn't listening.
Wancho, just
complete, complete
s*** show today.
I'm so sorry,
Linus.
You're doing
great, Dan.
I'm trying.
I don't know if
this is going to
work.
You're very
trying.
I get it from
you.
I learned from
you, sir.
I had to take
it.
That's good,
yeah.
I mean, don't
hold back.
Let's see.
Tech problems
you thought you
solved.
Omega Total
says, mouse!
They're just
trying to freak
out, Dan.
I don't exist
anymore.
Who is there,
but is not.
I live in your
walls.
Wait, did it
update?
No.
No.
No, it
didn't.
It looks like
it moved.
No, it
didn't.
No.
Oh, man.
Sorry, I'm
really.
Where the
hell did we
get to?
No, did
someone turn it
back live again?
Don't do
that.
Turn back
what back
live?
I turned
the merch
messages panel
to not live
and it like
instantly was
performing way
better and
then it's
back online
again and
now it's
performing poorly
again.
Sag.
Yeah, I don't
remember where
you guys got
to.
I don't know,
Dan.
Did you have a
nice time in
Japan?
We talked
about that.
OLED.
Christmas.
Linus, 15
years.
We know you
love badminton.
Have you ever
tried padel?
Oh, what?
No, we have
not talked about
that.
What is padel?
Padel?
Hi, Linus.
We know you
love badminton.
Have you ever
tried or
considered trying
padel?
It's probably
the most popular
sport after
soccer in my
home country
of Spain.
I have a
feeling it's
going to be
like pickleball.
Padel tennis.
I think it's
basically pickleball.
This is padel.
It looks a
little similar
to pickleball,
which is our
paddle sport,
but we use a
wiffle ball,
not a tennis
ball, and this
appears to be
with an actual
tennis ball and
it seems to have
actual big
tournaments.
Then again,
pickleball is
getting huge
right now.
Pickleball
absolutely has
tournaments.
I mean, it
didn't a couple
years ago.
Both sports start
with an underarm
serve,
diagonally into
the opponent's
service box
before playing
the point out.
In both
padel and
pickleball,
the ball can
only bounce
once.
Padel is unique
in that you
can hit the
ball off the
walls or let
the ball hit
the wall to
help you make
a return.
Interesting.
So it's
somewhere in
between tennis,
squash,
pickleball,
racquetball.
This looks
pretty wild,
man.
This looks
like a lot
of fun.
This is
freaking
crazy.
Look at
this guy.
He goes
out of the
cage.
That's legal?
Are you
serious right
now?
So you can
take a lot
of the beans
off of it by
just letting it
hit the back
wall unless
it's a really
flat shot.
That's super
cool.
Oh, that was
yeah, that was
sick.
Yeah, that's
wild, man.
Okay, I'd be
super down to
try it, but I
don't think
there's a single
Padel court in
Vancouver.
Yeah, I doubt
it.
It looks pretty
sick, though.
Yeah, that
looks like a lot
of fun.
I played squash
once and it
was a blast.
The Google
results for how
is Padel and
pickleball different
make you think
they're pretty
darn similar.
And then you
watch that.
That's closer
to squash.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You were
talking about
your love of
city builder
games.
Have you ever
tried Frostpunk?
It's a game that
always sucks me
back in when I
go back to it
months later.
I have not.
It's very good.
No, he hasn't.
You should try it
if you like that.
Hi, so last
week I channeled
my inner Linus
and dropped a
$30,000 TV
camera directly
on the lens.
So that's been
my week.
Linus, as a
drop king, how
do you deal
with the
aftermath of
dropping stuff?
I usually don't
break stuff,
actually.
I'm really
careful when the
thing matters the
vast majority of
the time.
I just, I
typically end up
dropping things
because I'm
inattentive and
in a hurry.
I'm usually in
a hurry.
And so I will
specifically slow
down when I'm
working with
something very
heavy, very
delicate, very
valuable.
There are some
exceptions, like
that one time I
dropped the $10,000
Xeon chip.
I was really
frustrated and the
way I dealt with
the aftermath of
that was I had to
buy my own
replacement Xeon
chip off of
eBay.
I wasn't going to
pay full price for
it, but I really
had to finish that
video.
Amelia asks,
have you listened
to the Black
Mages yet?
Instrumental rock
music based on
Final Fantasy music
from three composers
who worked on the
franchise.
I've heard of this,
but I haven't
listened to it yet.
Andrew asks, the
discussion with
dbrand got me
thinking, any
chance of a
future partnership
on a skin or
skin series with
them?
They've reached
out.
I think there'd
be obvious
synergies there.
The truth is
that when I saw
Teardown, I was
like, that's a
great idea.
I wish I thought
of that.
I don't have a
better idea.
We've done a
couple of drops.
We did that
cool sticker bomb
one.
But like, what
would be, I
mean, you know,
I think something
that would be kind
of LTT would be
like a, you know,
like a cracked
thing or something
like that, but
that's been done
to death.
Like, what would
be unique, right?
Like, what would
be different?
I honestly don't,
yeah, I just don't
really have any
great ideas.
Like, yeah, we
could just come up
with cool designs.
Like, people are
saying, let Sarah
design one on
live stream.
Like, yeah, sure,
that's cool and
everything, but
that's not a
product lineup.
That's not like a
long-term
collaboration, right?
So, I just don't
think it, I just
don't think it
makes sense.
What is the name
for their x-ray
thing?
I don't remember,
but it's an x-ray
thing.
I thought you
just said it.
Oh, no, no,
that Teardown is
just the shot of
the internals.
The x-ray one is
called something
else.
I can't remember
what it's called.
Teardown is like
a product line that
kind of makes
itself.
Yeah, like it
has just this
long-term appeal.
As long as you
just continue to
maintain it,
continue to
work on these
designs, it
all thematically
makes sense,
whereas just
designing stuff
is very, I
don't want to
say manual,
because the
process of
creating a
Teardown is
very manual.
There's a ton
of very picky
work that goes
into it, but
it's not
cohesive.
There, I guess
that's the word
I'm looking
for.
What about,
oh, go ahead.
Yep, sure.
Hello, LLD,
first time buying
from the store.
If you could
direct Creator
Warehouse's budget
towards making
one personal
product, what
would it be?
Electric
screwdriver or
badminton gear,
for example?
Definitely not an
electric screwdriver.
I'm a manual
screwdriver kind of
guy.
I like the
ratchet.
Badminton gear,
oh, there's no
money in
badminton.
Yeah, that's
not something I
would pursue.
A really good
universal remote
that doesn't
suck.
I still haven't
tried the sofa
whatever baton.
Maybe it's really
great, but the
fact that Logitech
bought Harmony and
then just was like,
eh, forget it.
I hate that kind
of stuff.
That sucks.
When companies
buy something that's
working really well
and has a really
great niche community
that really loves
it and then
they're just
like, eh.
Never mind.
Yeah, lost
interest, you
know?
It's really
frustrating.
Hey, DLL,
yesterday I was
terrified to find
out that there was
a silent corruption
bug in ZFS from
versions 2.1.4
plus.
What is the
scariest software
bug or
vulnerability you've
had to deal
with?
Hmm.
I think at the
time, the forum
breach from
yesteryear was
like, in
retrospect, it's
kind of whatever.
Um, but at the
time I was
freaking out pretty
hard.
These days, like,
I don't know,
everything, every
website on the
planet has
basically had a
breach at this
point.
Um, and the
like, user data on
the forum is
sort of whatever
compared to some
of these other
places like 23andMe
and stuff.
Well, we went out
of our way when
we created the
forum to hold no
valuable user data.
Like, yeah, emails.
And we take that
seriously.
Yes.
But it's an email
for a tech savvy
audience who
probably has
more than one
email address and
stuff.
Like, it's not
genetic data.
Yeah.
So I'm not
saying it's not a
big deal.
I'm just saying
in relative terms.
Yeah.
Uh, like, it
would have been
very upsetting
now.
But at the
time I was
like, kind of
freaking out
pretty hardcore.
Um, so yeah, yeah,
probably that one.
Thomas S asks, with
the meet the team
videos showing off
that a lot of
LMG employees are
musicians, LMG
band, new
Christmas album
with proper
musicianship?
No.
Maybe.
Definitely not a
remaster of the
original one.
it's not worth the
effort.
But, Luke, are
you down to do a
new Christmas
album?
Of course.
I don't, like, what
am I, am I going to
say no?
I don't have to ask
Dan.
He's just sitting
here going, maybe
if I'm quiet, I
won't, I won't
f*** this up.
And it will
happen.
I don't even think
I sent the thing to
Luke yet.
Oh, no, what
thing?
What thing?
Have you been
working on it on
your stream?
Thinking about
getting a Steam
deck to work on
personal projects,
3D and PCB
design on death
time at work.
Any comments
from anybody on
using the Steam
deck for this type
of application, you
know, besides
gaming?
What is death
time at work?
Like, you know,
just work.
I think it's
supposed to be
like dead time.
Like, there's
nothing happening.
Okay.
I mean, I saw a
lot of people
bringing Steam
decks to
Whale Land and
when you talk to
them, they're like,
yeah, this is just
my computer.
I use it for
everything.
So presumably
they're doing all
kinds of things
with it.
For that use
case, that's
cool.
I find myself
not really needing
like a really
heavy portable
gaming device.
I have a
laptop.
I have a
desktop.
I'm surprised
you'd describe it
as heavy.
I mean, your
forearms are
bigger than my
biceps.
I mean, is this
heavy compared to
maybe you should
just get good?
Did you ever
think of that?
Do you even lift,
bro?
Oh my God.
Not lately.
Yeah, let's go.
Let's go.
Chin up competition.
How many can you
do?
Let's go.
You'll beat me
on that.
I've been sick.
It's actually very
frustrating.
I haven't been able
to go to the gym
because you've
probably noticed me
coughing a little
bit during the show.
It's mostly gone.
But right now, if I
breathe really deeply
or I try to like
brace with my chest,
I'll just start
coughing.
So like not being
able to breathe
deeply doesn't
really go well
with trying to
work out.
So I've been
pretty frustrated
actually.
I feel, you know,
we've talked about
this before, but
you start to feel
soft.
Like I feel soft
and I feel like
I've lost.
Squishy.
I'm sure I haven't
lost as much as it
feels like I've lost.
Part of it is just
the weakness.
Yes.
And that you
haven't been eating
enough.
Yeah.
And also like, I
don't know.
Yeah, I feel squishy.
It feels very bad.
And there's like
some amount of
concern like, oh,
am I going to fall
out of the like
habit or the
routine?
Yeah, you won't.
That doesn't feel
like a thing.
Right now, I'm just
very frustrated that
I can't go.
Every day that I'm
like supposed to go,
I like, I sit there
and I'm like, maybe
I can go.
Maybe I can do it.
And then I'll
like, yeah.
I'm like, oh,
damn it.
So it's like, yeah,
I'm not actually
worried about that
part.
It's just frustrating.
Johnny K asks, what
are your thoughts on
buying controllers?
Specifically for
playing PC games.
The PS5 DualSense
controller is on sale
right now.
100%.
I mean, so many PC
games are just console
games that run on PC
because consoles are
just PCs.
There's also like
racing games and
stuff where like it's
actually just better to
not use a keyboard.
Ryan M asks, are you
guys Doctor Who fans?
Are you excited for the
special tomorrow?
I watched through like
everything that existed
at some point and
then I stopped
watching because it
got kind of stupid
and then I heard
it's like supposed to
get good again
because like, what
is it like David
Tennant's coming back
or something like
that?
So maybe I'll pick it
up again.
That'd be kind of a
fun thing to watch
with like my son or
something like that.
But I don't know.
I definitely enjoyed
it a lot.
Exterminate.
Like, I don't know.
It's just, it's,
it's, okay.
That's something that
I feel like is kind
of campy.
It's not so bad.
It's good.
I think it's actually
good, but it's,
it's definitely campy.
Like the, the, like
the visual effects are
so bad.
They're good in my
opinion.
Hey, yeah, I
purchased the big
screen VR last
month.
Chris Eccleston
underrated.
What?
Go ahead.
And I'm super
excited to find
Eccleston.
Sorry, whatever.
Eccleston.
Still, still, still
underrated.
Go ahead.
How do you store
your VR headsets
and how do you
prevent the lens
from fogging up
when playing?
I store them in
a drawer.
And then I don't
prevent them.
I don't, I don't
think I have issues
with them fogging
up.
I don't think I've
ever had issues
with them fogging
up.
Fogging.
Because you have
to have, you have
to have a low
temperature for
condensation to form
on it, right?
Like that's why ski
goggles fog up.
Or just like be
breathing on them,
but that shouldn't be
happening either.
That's kind of, yeah.
Maybe it's, maybe it's a
particular issue with
the design of, maybe if
you had something where
like you're like breathing
out in the air, like I
wonder if you could put
like kind of like a
breath guard on it or
something like that to
keep breath because it's
like from, from coming
like up.
It's like what, what VR
headset is covering your
nose?
I can't think of any.
Me neither.
But it might depend on
your nose shape.
Like maybe if you have
like more of an upturned
nose and you're kind of
blowing more directly onto
the lenses, maybe like a
little guard or something.
Yeah, getting some type
of guard.
I can see that.
Yeah.
I work in aerospace
manufacturing, quality
inspection.
The poor quality control
I see daily has
increased my flight
anxiety.
Has insider knowledge
ever changed the way
you use a service?
My wife was a
pharmacist.
Oh, God.
The, the frequency,
not Yvonne.
Yvonne apparently never
dispensed the wrong
thing.
That sounds probably
right.
But the frequency
with which it would
happen and at a
pseudo union employer
like Costco, the
limited recourse that
Yvonne, the manager
had to deal with
people who dispensed
the wrong medication
was terrifying.
And from everything she
told me, Costco was
relatively well run.
But just like people
would make mistakes,
which is a life and
death situation.
And because they're
like pseudo union,
like they're non-union,
but they, they try to
behave like a, like a
unionized employer
would.
They try to take care of
people.
It's very difficult to
fire people.
And so you'd have
someone that just like
makes mistakes and you
like to the point where
she would want to just
fire them and hire
someone who doesn't make
fucking mistakes with
people's medication.
But that was not a
lever she could pull.
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's
terrifying.
And like, man, I mean,
basically anything, if
there's anything Yvonne and
I have learned from
running a business for
the last 11 years,
almost at this point,
it's that experts are
just people.
Whether it's lawyers or
contractors or
pharmacists or
whatever.
People are people and
people make mistakes.
they're inattentive, they
don't care, even, even
when they're trying really
hard, sometimes they're
just plain stupid.
Like it's just, sorry,
you know, and, and it,
and it's nothing, it's
nothing personal.
I make mistakes.
I don't know if Yvonne makes
mistakes, but I do.
And yeah, you have to
double check everything
basically.
I don't think I would
take a pill at this
point without like looking
at it.
Yeah, I mean, that's
fair enough.
I think my easiest and
best example is there's
like a, I don't remember
exactly how the quote
goes, but there's a quote
that's something about
like, um, like locksmiths
and people that are into
mechanical things prefer
digital locks and software
engineers and software
developers that are into
software things prefer
physical locks.
Yeah.
It's like the more you
know about it, the more
you.
Yeah.
Axeman 1984 says, I used
to hold doctors in high
regard until I got to
know some.
Yeah.
It's, it's basically
that.
Yeah.
First merch message here
since the NCIX days.
Happy 15th birthday.
Hey, thanks.
Do you miss the stylus of
your Samsung note days?
I just finished my first
year of owning an iPhone
and still miss it.
No Apple pencil support.
Nope.
I'm off the wing now.
We're working on the
review.
I'm back on the note.
I do miss it sometimes
when I'm not on the note
though.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
Hi, LLD.
Looking back, what LTT
store item do you think
was the catalyst that
blew the store up?
Oh, I mean, there's levels
of blow up.
I mean, the screwdriver
blew it up.
Backpack blew it up.
Both of those.
That was like an
incredible one, two
punch.
I don't know if we'll
ever have a, like a
month like that again.
It's crazy.
Like what kind of
validated that it was
a thing though?
Well, man, Stealth
Hoodie did really
well.
I'm trying to think
water bottles, water
bottles, Northern
Lights desk pad really
made it sustainable,
allowed us to hire
people to work on it
and, and, and pay
them out of the
money that, that
we made from those
products and, and,
and turn it into a
perpetual motion
machine.
Those, those were
probably the, um, the
pivotal ones in the
early days.
Let's see.
Long time watcher,
first time buying
while the show is
live.
Uh, what is a game
that you've played
that could be seen as
a perfect game, but
one big flaw is
keeping you from
saying that?
Ooh, well, perfect
is a big, big word.
It's a difficult
question.
That's a, that's
quite the word.
A perfect game,
except for one big
flaw.
I'm trying to think.
I feel like we
might be aided by
like looking at top
rated games of all
time.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, we could do
that.
We could also, uh,
Outer Wilds, I
still need to play
darn it.
Um, you know
what?
This is a really
good answer though.
Uh, just look who
it is.
It says Outer Wilds,
it's perfect, but you
can't replay it.
And I would say
Portal suffers from
that.
Um, one.
Yeah.
Portal one.
It has zero
replayability value.
Once you've solved
the puzzles and
you've experienced
that atmosphere and
the like, is it
actually a problem?
The feeling of it
becoming creepy
over time.
Well, you'll never,
you'll never re-experience
that magic.
But you experienced
it once.
Yeah, sure.
But it's, oh, no,
I'm okay.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on.
But perfect would
be perfect.
And replayability is a
valuable attribute for
a game.
I can replay Final
Fantasy VI even
though I know what's
going to happen.
But with Portal, it's
all in the discovery
of what's happening.
It's different.
Someone at
Full Plane Shot
said Tarkov
perfect but cheaters.
That is so
incredibly incorrect.
It's not perfect.
It is so far from
perfect.
Oh, my goodness.
Wow.
Woo.
No.
It would, it
would be helped
so much by
addressing the
cheater problem in
any way at all.
Um, with any
level of effectiveness,
even slightly other
than like encouraging
them more.
Um, but yeah, it's
super far from
perfect.
Long time watcher,
first time buyer was
holding out for the
retro screwdriver.
Hey.
Linus, what type of
music do you listen to
and has playing Beat
Saber changed your
taste in music?
Uh, that's something I
find really frustrating
about Beat Saber is
I'm at the point now
where a lot of the
music that I would
like to listen to,
like if I just want to
listen to like, you
know, casual Katy
Perry or Taylor
Swift tracks or
whatever, it's, it's,
it's mapped at a
level that I can't
really enjoy it.
Um, it's not fun.
It's not challenging.
And so if I want to
play maps that I find
challenging, I end up
listening to like
weed music basically.
And that's not really
my style.
That is like, like I
don't like the song,
but I really liked
Caramel Danson.
Oh, that's not weed
music.
That's Swedish.
Okay.
It was adopted by
Weeps.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But was it born in the
Weeb?
It was just molded by
it.
It adopted it.
Yeah.
Um, okay, sure.
Whatever that is.
I don't like, like
that song, but it's
great.
I love that song.
So I don't know.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Um, no, no, there's
like way, way more
Weeb stuff if you get
into like higher level.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Higher level maps.
What even is this
show at this point?
I don't know.
Well, we've got, we've
got 430 more to go.
So they're doing this
up still Dan.
We'll do this the whole
Black Friday weekend.
You want a 24 hour
WAN show?
How about four day
WAN show?
Dan, if once the
Saturday deals rolled
over, you realize we
would get flooded
again, right?
Yeah.
I mean, the server
won't crash now, which
is pretty impressive.
So we're basically just
screwed forever.
I got two more
potentials here.
Let's keep going.
Sure.
Hi, DLL.
Happy holidays.
Loved your video about
the new Threadripper.
Why do most review
videos on YouTube not
include the Sapphire
Rapids W series, even
though many of them
are in the same price
range?
A couple of reasons.
Number one is that
Sapphire Rapids W is
not a direct
competitor for
Threadripper.
It's a direct
competitor for
Threadripper Pro, which
AMD didn't sample and
basically is only
making available to
media through system
integrator partners.
We're hoping to get
our hands on some
Threadripper Pro at
some point, but right
now we don't have
access to it.
So comparing
Zeon W at its very
different pricing tier
to regular Threadripper
didn't make a ton of
sense because the same
customer who might
consider a Threadripper
would absolutely not
consider a Zeon W.
Now, with that said,
we did include
consumer chips, and I
think it's fair to say
that the same customer
who might consider a
consumer chip would
also not consider
Threadripper because
it's outlandishly
expensive, but that was
Threadripper's
traditional competition,
so we opted to
include it.
If we were to do a
review of a Threadripper
Pro, it might make
sense to include
Sapphire Rapids W,
except that Sapphire
Rapids W is a piece
of s***, so any
serious person would
not really be
considering Sapphire
Rapids W by the time
Threadripper Pro comes
out, so the only
reason to really
include it would be
to demonstrate how
far ahead AMD is of
the competition, which
I don't think needs
to be proven.
because the
competition for AMD
is AMD at that
performance tier, and
I'm being a little
bit unfair to
Sapphire Rapids W.
It's not a piece of
s***, it's just not
competitive.
It was somewhat
interesting if it had
launched when it was
supposed to, but it
was so, so far
behind, and I do
think Intel has some
interesting stuff on
the roadmap for
HEDT and for
Workstation, but
Sapphire Rapids W is
old news, it was
old news when it
launched, and it's
kind of a cool
platform, like the
fact that you can
overclock it, and
the fact that you can
get some crazy
performance out of it
is awesome, but the
pricing is just, who's
buying this?
I don't know.
I don't know the
answer to that.
Hey, Linus, how are
your cats doing?
Do they sleep on the
bed?
No, they generally
sleep in all the
like kitty beds and
like kitty towers and
stuff that we have all
over our house.
Oh, no, I shouldn't
say that.
Brownie and Dash often
sleep in my daughter's
bed, but they don't
sleep in our bed, even
when my kids are like
staying at their
grandparents' or
whatever.
They're super into the
bunk bed.
They like being on...
Cats like to be up
high.
And if they can't
be, you know, up
high with their person
in the bed, then they
will be up high like at
the top of the stairwell
and they'll not even
bother going in the
bed.
They're not going to
hang out in mine and
Yvonne's bed.
It's not high up enough.
I'm not entirely sure.
I know where to take
this now.
What do you want to do?
The number of
incomings is still
going up.
I think we're at a
record.
For?
Quantity?
What do you mean?
Oh, for Quantity?
Why is that surprising?
Well, no.
I mean, it's still
going up at a higher
rate than we are
dealing with.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I'm archiving
them and stuff.
Yeah.
Is that working?
I don't know.
Maybe.
I don't think so
anymore.
I don't think so
either.
Yeah, I think it
actually officially
stopped.
Okay.
We got 1,200 merch
messages.
This is stupid.
It was like hobbling
along there.
You could force it by
like refreshing the
page and then doing a
little bit and then it
would stop working and
you refresh the page
again and keep going.
And then now it's
just, it's not.
Like.
You're showing the
dashboard.
You're not supposed to
show the dashboard.
Look at this.
And you're showing the
dashboard when it's not
working.
I can't even.
Again, we could have
fixed it.
I decided not to.
No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no,
I know, I know, I know.
Well, now I have to
defend it because you
showed the dashboard and
that's going to make
Conrad sad.
What?
No, no, no.
Conrad did a great job.
It's just like, how
could Conrad have
possibly known that we
were going to get 1,200
merch messages today?
Well, no, we like knew
this was a problem.
He knew this was a
problem.
To be fair, I could have
just gotten through them
faster.
So, skill issue.
It's my fault.
It is.
I'm just, I'm taking the
bullet for Conrad here.
No, I don't think
retooling a tool for like
two days out of the year
makes sense, personally.
Yes, I agree.
So, we're not doing that.
But the server survived.
Well, that's good.
Yeah.
That's actually really
important.
This is crazy.
Yeah, because now
there's a huge win.
We won't lose like the
archive.
Exactly.
Which is pretty huge,
actually.
So, yeah, I don't know.
What do you want to do?
Do we pick one of the
I want you to consistently
not burst.
I want you to consistently
be able to type it like,
I don't know, 600 words
per minute.
I mean, that could work.
Figure it out.
You also have to like
read faster.
Yeah.
So, you should take some
speed reading courses.
Yeah.
Maybe use two computers at
once.
One hand per keyboard.
So, here's the thing is
that, you know, they come
in waves, right?
And so, when it was at
200, like I could be on
top of it right now.
We were floating at 200
for quite a while.
Right.
But I can't.
And the most distracted.
But as it gets to 200,
as soon as it goes over
above like 100,
suddenly I can't deal with
them instantly anymore.
And so, going through and
being like, show, show,
show, that's a show, show,
reply, show, show, show.
There's like one or two
seconds between me doing
something and there being a
response.
Yeah.
And then I can't, I can't,
it blossoms and then I
can't, I can't do it
anymore.
I like blossoms.
That's a nice word to
describe a problem.
I tried to.
It gets bigger.
Yeah.
Blossom and problem.
I tried to cut it.
I like, I turned off
merch messages and turned
it back on again, hoping
it would split the archive,
but it like.
I believe it's Chrome.
It didn't do that.
Oh, man.
I think we might have to
call it for today.
It has been an absolute
pleasure hanging out with
you guys this evening.
Good luck, Dbrand.
in their lawsuit against
Case Defy and, uh, and
Zach from JerryRig
Everything.
I think we will see you
again next week.
Same bad time, same bad
channel, same perfectly
fine dashboard, just not
designed for this kind of
load.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bye.
Uh, Dan, I pushed the
button.
Yeah, I don't know if it's
going to work.
Oh, it has to, it has to
load 400 merch messages
and then squish them into
a 13 second, uh, outro.
Is it struggling?
The dashboard's.
Oh, it's definitely
struggling.
Oh, no.
Oh, I'm going to push the
button again.
Uh-oh.
Is it going to work?
Is pressing it twice going
to make it worse?
Double, double outro.
We could probably just run it
the old way.
Although I do want to see
it.
I want to see it too.
I want to see it send it.
Happy, uh, happy 15 year
anniversary.
Hey.
Yeah.
I celebrated by losing a
bunch of money.
Like, dude.
Just say, buy a bunch and
I'll push the other button.
Today was a top line
revenue exercise.
Let me tell you that.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
I'm excited.
Let's see.
I know it should be doing
it now.
So.
This is going to be so
stupid.
Oh, the queue, the queue
got cleared.
Oh, did it?
It must have, uh,
faulted over.
Okay.
All right.
Say bye again.
Or Conrad did something.
Oh, no.
I think it's bye.
He said bye enough times.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good.
I did it anyways as an
emergency bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.