We should just change our starting time to 4.35.
Never mind that that's a completely awkward time to start the show.
The problem is, if we do that, we'll go live at 4.40.
I guess that's true.
It's just, it's something about you.
We're fashionably late.
Fashionably late.
Why is it something about me?
Well, I mean, with you everything seems to be about you.
You're a very self-centered person.
Speaking of which, I guess we're on the Linus Tech Tips show!
Hosted by Linus Media Group.
Featuring the Linus Tech Tips Forum.
Are you implying that I'm projecting?
No.
I'm not implying anything.
Because I think you're,
you have a very suspicious disposition
and you always throw accusations around.
It's all about that.
All right, speaking of projecting, Google is projected.
It worked, kind of worked.
Not really.
The rumor on the street is that Google is,
has basically reached a deal to buy Twitch
for a billion dollars.
That's the video streaming site
that we are streaming on right now.
This was rumored a while back.
Yeah, exactly.
This was rumored a while back,
but, you know, never actually confirmed.
And even though a lot of places are reporting
that it's a done deal, it still is.
Oh, right, we're not actually doing the topic.
I'm doing call-outs.
Right, so that's a thing.
Also, Ubisoft plans to send a fan to Mount Everest
to play Far Cry 4.
Copy us much?
Yeah, seriously.
Right?
Am I right?
Yeah.
What else we got?
We kind of, I don't know.
Microsoft is planning on merging
all of their versions of Windows into one,
just in case you didn't know that was happening.
We'll talk about that later.
I should call it Uber edition.
They should call it Barnacles edition,
and it should have like tears on the box.
And ROPs, though.
Speaking of which, our guest today is Barnacles.
Barnacles.
Correct.
British MP, a British MP, wants to punish people
for stealing in-game items with real world punishments,
like jail.
It's kind of a big deal.
And...
Well, the in-game punishments weren't working.
Like calling them buttholes in the chat.
You're a jerk.
Go away.
Please stop.
My mom says to ignore comments from you.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, there we go.
Okay, well, if someone didn't have their paws
all over my mouse, I'd be able to tell you
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but it's a little bit of a weird place.
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but it's a little bit of a weird place.
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I don't really consider it a conflict of interest
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just like they don't consider it a conflict
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Maybe we should turn this into a bitter rivalry.
We should make, speaking of self-centered,
we should make Linus.com.
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And then we need like a picture of me being like,
looking into a book.
But very angry.
Or like serious.
I'm looking at this with the most neutral tone possible.
Yeah.
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What can I do for you?
I told you there'd be people in the chat
wondering why I was here because I quit.
Really?
Really?
Okay, let's be clear.
So in a recent video.
I think most of them are joking.
In the H220X video, okay,
I asked, okay, a couple things happened that were real
and a couple things happened that weren't real.
So the things that were real
were that the H220X is pretty kick-ass.
It performs really well.
It's expandable.
It's quiet.
Kick-ass product, great value.
Another thing that was real,
I did indeed ask Luke to shave parts of me
that I couldn't reach on my own.
But I mean, the thing about that
is that really what I was talking about was my back.
I mean, the coin purse isn't exactly an issue
as long as there's some stretchiness to the skin.
You can kind of maneuver it the way that you need to.
Have you seen that video where the guys are like,
and they have to shave?
It's a YouTube commercial thing.
It shows all the weird things that guys do to their face
so they can shave properly.
Right, yes.
And they're all like, ugh,
and they're trying to flatten out their face
so they can shave properly.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like they should have
a non-safe-for-work commercial version of that.
What if they make more money?
You gotta be careful saying things like they should have.
They shouldn't have, but it would be funny.
But it would be funny.
So I fired Luke for refusing to do that.
That part wasn't real.
He did not get fired.
It would be fun if you did that, though,
because then I could make tons of money
in the legal system.
Tons of money.
You know I don't have enough money
for it to be tons of money.
Yeah.
I would run out of money.
And then how would you feel?
I can take your totally doesn't exist at all Lambo.
Yeah, exactly.
Which would be great,
because it doesn't exist at all.
You could like,
depending on how long you could hold a chair position
with your hands in front of you like this,
you could drive down the street
in the imaginary room.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Get a shuffle foot thing going.
Speaking of imaginary and employees
screwing over their employers
who were just trying to do something cool,
this, so there's an imaginary game called Yogg Ventures,
and there's an artist who was originally
supposed to work on the project
that basically took the $35,000
that was allocated to, presumably him,
not actually sure,
but allocated to the artist
and then went and took a job at LucasArts,
or Lucasfilm, I think it was Lucasfilm,
and basically booked it with $35,000
for what was supposed to be about six months of work,
but actually ended up being two weeks worth of work.
This caused the Yogg's cast folks
to basically lose faith in Winter Cool games
and asked for 150,000 of the Kickstarter money
to be given to them in trust
to take care of the physical prizes,
as well as to, this was, it's very unclear.
This is all very nebulous right now
because it's he said, she said, except she's not talking.
So apparently, according to Winter Cool,
100,000 of that was supposed to be for miscellaneous things
like appearances at trade shows
and some promotional activities,
as well as hiring a lead programmer.
However, right now, basically,
the project is completely dead.
Winter Cool is insolvent, they're bankrupt,
and Yogg's cast is not saying much publicly, at least.
So Yogg's cast is the female in this situation?
I guess so, sure.
She said she didn't comment?
Sure, yes, yes.
I just wanted to clarify.
So basically, what's going on now is Yogg's cast has said,
look, there's a lot of inconsistencies
in the story that people are being told,
but we don't really see the point
of issuing a statement right now.
It looks like they're gonna kind of wait
for the dust to settle.
But the big question everyone's asking right now
is what happened to that $100,000
that wasn't for physical rewards,
and what are they gonna do?
Because up till now, Yogg's cast has been pointing people
towards Winter Cool to get refunds,
which obviously is not going to happen at this point.
So let me see if there's anything else
that I kind of missed here.
Getting refunds from Kickstarter things
just isn't really a thing, as far as I can tell.
And as far as I can tell,
Kickstarting games is just a big problem,
because, and this is, I mean, honestly,
this is the same trap that the Yogg's cast guys fell into,
is they trusted a bunch of guys
who were experienced filmmaker, like animation veterans,
but didn't necessarily have, and by their own admission,
didn't necessarily have the business savvy
to actually create a game studio.
And so the problem here is that when you put your trust
in animators and filmmakers who are great
at telling stories and making things look great,
to make something that they actually don't have
any experience doing, you end up with a very good trailer
for something that might not be anything like that,
it might not end up existing at all.
So one thing that Yogg's cast has done
is they've given everyone a copy of Nerdkingstom's tug.
Well, yeah, Kingstom's, yeah.
Kingstom's tug open world game,
but some of the backer options,
things like named in-game items are,
they've already said, are not,
or may not be available in that game.
And so some people are apparently pissed.
They haven't communicated much publicly, like I said,
although reading through comments
has actually been more enlightening
than reading the articles about what's going on,
because I've seen people saying,
well, hey, I heard from them and they're doing this
or they're doing that, or.
Because apparently Yogg's cast
is commenting behind the scenes a lot.
They're talking to backers directly,
probably through the Kickstarter platform or other things,
instead of making public statements, which is.
I get that. Yeah.
You don't owe an explanation to the people
who didn't give you their money at this point.
Yeah, but then if you are actively communicating
with the Kickstarter people, that's cool.
So I guess from them,
it's just a matter of PR damage control.
Like, how do you keep yourselves from looking
any more bad than you already look?
Do you make a public apology when, in reality,
probably a small fraction, like very small fraction
of the people that they would reach with a video blast
or like an apology in every video for a week.
Have actually.
Have actually even heard of this.
Yeah.
So why bring it up, if it's something
where they're gonna try and figure out a way
to take care of these people?
I guess we just need to see if they end up
resolving it to people's satisfaction.
I mean, I,
I see so many ways that this went self.
I mean, Wintercool was expecting Yogscast
to pimp the game a lot.
Yeah.
And so that they'd get that pre-order revenue,
which would help them pay salaries,
which would help them actually develop the game
that they promised to develop.
Yogscast didn't want to, I mean, obviously,
if we were funding development of a Linus Tech Tips game,
where like, I don't know,
like it's like a side scroller combat game
where I like shout, you're fired!
Linus Media Group presents a Linus Tech Tips production,
Linus shoots things.
You're fired!
So if that was the objective,
and the game was coming along at a pace
I wasn't comfortable with,
and a quality level that I wasn't comfortable with,
am I gonna throw my name behind it more and more and more?
Like, on the other hand, you know,
if they saw this going south,
was there time to?
To deal with it more properly.
To salvage it, maybe at the time that they renegotiated
the contract shortly after the Kickstarter
when that artist left,
and was there time to kind of terminate it then?
I don't know, it's very hard to say whose fault this is
without actually having been on the inside
of one side or the other, or in reality, probably both.
To really know what happened there.
Pretty interesting, there's a,
I talked about a few Kickstarters that I've done
for the last while, but one of them,
I'm not gonna be able to remember the name of it,
but it's, I tried to buy it as a present for my dad.
I bought it in January of 2012.
And the plan was, I bought it on Kickstarter January 2012,
that was well within the estimated shipping date,
and I was hoping that it would show up
for Christmas of 2013.
So like, or Christmas of 2012, I guess, technically.
It didn't, it still didn't show up yet.
They still haven't even locked down a manufacturer yet,
and they still don't have their final prototype done yet.
So, I don't know.
I used to be way behind Kickstarters,
and I just mostly ignore that whole website now.
Yeah, well there was that wonderful potato salad.
I got some.
Nevermind that it was in the mail,
stuck in customs for two weeks, it was delicious.
Oh my god.
Just kidding, I did not buy potato salad.
But that is very likely what would happen,
it would go bad before it got to you.
But I see it for things like that balloon thing
that we saw recently,
where the guy has already completely designed it,
and it's done.
Yeah.
That's like, okay cool.
Basically it's just a pack of pre-attached balloons
on three plastic nozzles,
and the idea is you can fill 100 water balloons
in under a minute.
Which is beast.
Nozzle, fill them up, and then you give it a shake,
and they all pre-tie.
So you can fill up a big thing of them,
and it costs like however much for a pack.
And I've seen a lot of people going,
well it's like really stupid that it's one time use,
blah blah blah, how is that more efficient?
It's more efficient because,
and people have been like,
you should be able to put the balloons back on the thing.
I'm like, that's not any faster than tying them by hand.
The idea here is that for a couple bucks,
let's say you're a scout troop or something, okay?
So for like 100 bucks, when you organize an event,
you can have however many hundreds of water balloons
ready to go in like a few minutes.
Instead of wasting a whole day.
Instead of wasting an entire day
having volunteers sit and tie water balloons,
when you factor in how much people's time is worth,
it's a pretty good deal.
I think it's pretty good.
And even if you're just a home resident,
if it's really nice outside
and you wanna go play with water balloons,
instead of filling up water balloons
for half an hour to an hour,
you can just be like,
tie this thing on three or four times,
then you're good to go.
Like it's not that bad.
And it's already fitted to screw onto your hose,
so it's super easy.
This is awesome.
This is a Kickstarter that I backed
just so that when it doesn't arrive
or when it's a gigantic piece of crap,
I can make a video about how stupid backing-
Isn't it not shipping until like 2016 or something?
End of the year next year or something like that.
Okay.
I don't think I have sound.
I can't hear it anyway.
Hold on.
And somewhere in between is this guy.
Introducing Jibo, the world's first family robot.
Say hi, Jibo.
Hi, Jibo.
Jibo helps everyone out.
So that wasn't hard-coded.
He's the world's best camera man.
By intelligently tracking the action around him,
he can independently take video and photos
so that you can put down your camera
and be a part of the scene.
Jibo, take a picture.
Turn the other focus.
Anyway, the point is,
if that manages to arrive in 2015,
and if it has anywhere near the level of interaction,
ability-
It's up on the table in that shot, isn't it?
Yeah.
So you're gonna have to carry it around?
Yeah, you have to move it around and stuff.
Like it's the kind of thing where it's like,
it's like someone was watching the Jetsons
and they're just like,
wow, let's do that.
Let's like-
Let's start an Indiegogo.
Let's make the little cleaner robot,
except like stationary, sits on the table.
Everyone in Twitch chat is like NSA Skynet.
Yeah, exactly right.
All right, I just got an email
from the owner of Swift Tech.
I didn't.
Well, whatever, I'm cooler than you.
So I just got an email, but you're gonna like this.
Actually, I got two emails today
that you're gonna be pretty stoked on.
Yes, it's about that.
So we have an exciting new project to announce.
We are going to be liquid cooling
an entire room of computers on a single loop.
So we're gonna give you guys way more details
in the coming weeks,
but basically it's all coming together.
I've already got our sponsor confirmed
for cases, power supplies,
cause we want all the hardware to be somewhat similar.
So we're not just Frankensteining
every single one of them as a one-off.
So we're consolidating on a single case.
We're gonna be using a Cooler Master N600.
We're all gonna be using their V750 modular power supply.
So actually a really good power supply.
A hard OCP just did a review on the V series
and validated what I was pretty sure
we already knew about them,
but anyway, they had a review recently.
So we're getting those.
Water cooling is now locked down.
So every machine will have an Apogee XL,
as well as a SwiftX full cover
with like the lighting back-plated full cover block
for an Nvidia graphics card.
We are going to have radiators mounted to the systems
on quick disconnects,
so that in the event that a system does have to be moved,
we can disconnect it from the room-wide loop,
connect it to its own rad,
and move it without interrupting the rest of the machines.
We are going to have the radiators mounted
outside the building.
So the idea here is that
because it's been so hot in the office,
we will be able to take the heat out of the room
with our liquid cooling,
because contrary to what a lot of people think,
water cooling doesn't make your room run cooler, okay?
Just dumps more heat in the room.
Yeah, it dumps the same amount of heat in the room.
Basically exactly the same.
I'll go with basically the same.
Basically, it's a very, very, very small rounding error.
So the point-
But I just can't say exactly.
The point is that removing it from the room
is the only way to make your room actually cooler,
and when you have a bunch of people editing videos in a room
then that's like-
This is a solution for not buying-
Air conditioning, yeah.
Okay, so anyway, they're gonna go to
a series of radiators mounted outside the house
and a reservoir that's gonna sit in a bathtub.
It's like a five gallon reservoir.
We're gonna have an industrial grade pump,
and then every system will actually have its own pump
as well to help deal with the pressure drop
as the water goes through all the components.
So we're not gonna have any undue strain
on any one part of the entire setup.
So every computer will have 655s.
So funny story-
Is that-
Yeah, yeah, 655 pumps.
So funny story is I reached out to NVIDIA
because we were gonna need cards
that were compatible with the blocks,
and I asked them if it was okay for us to get 780s
because we do use CUDA for a lot of our editing needs.
We do have a couple of 780s around here,
but the problem is that they're non-reference,
and so the one that we have that's reference
is the one that we use for our reference benchmarking,
and then the non-reference ones we have
are not compatible with water cooling.
And if we were to take all the heat
from the CPUs out of the room,
that would help a little bit,
but not enough to be worth a project like this.
You wanna get that GPU heat out of the room.
I think just buying an air conditioning unit would be-
I think you're crazy.
Anyway, the point is that-
You know.
I got an email back from them.
They kinda went, I'm not sure about this project.
I think that Titan blacks would be more appropriate
for something like workstation use in this manner.
So apparently everyone's workstation's
getting a Titan black.
Do I get one too?
No.
What?
Cause you're not in that room.
Whatever.
You can request a transfer.
Ugh.
I'll have the CEO look at it personally.
My computer just straight up blue-screened
what I was working on the other day.
I was like, damn my ghetto system.
So that's happening.
That's cool.
So we're moving all of our editors to six core LGA 2011.
Not everyone has an extreme edition, I don't think.
And then to Titan blacks for all the CUDA.
Taran will finally have a computer
that can actually use other people's files properly.
I know, I know.
We have one of our editors on an AMD card.
And there's nothing inherently bad about that.
It's just that the other guys are using plugins and tools
that are CUDA tools.
And so when he goes to work on their stuff on his computer,
it's just like bleh.
Or the other way around.
If the Nvidia card tries to open something
that the AMD card was working on, it's bleh every time.
They don't really like using the same file sets.
So if anyone wants to ever work with something
that he was working with or the other way around, it's...
Yeah, it's not good for the workflow.
It's good to consolidate on one platform
when you're trying to share work between people.
I'm just trying to think if there's anything else
that I am forgetting.
Some people have been like, Luke, stop him.
I've told them many, many, many, many, many times.
Oh yeah, we know this is crazy.
100%.
We're 100% certain that this is a crazy idea,
but it's gonna be freaking awesome.
It's gonna be fun.
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
We're gonna do, worst case scenario,
the whole room loop is a complete disaster.
The pipes blow off and the water's all over the place
and we kind of go, oh crap.
And then we put my dad in and hard pipe the whole thing.
And then we...
Hey.
I've already thought about this.
We should do that.
I know.
We should just do that anyway.
Probably.
We could get a fatter line too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How much would he charge for that?
I could ask him.
I don't know.
Yeah, I know.
I'll ask him.
He's not back yet.
I was already gonna talk to him.
Okay, interesting.
Because I think that'll solve quite a few of the problems.
People are like, Luke, stop him.
But Luke's just trying to figure out
how to take it to a whole new level of insanity.
I've accepted that it's happening.
Now it's just, how can we make it
even more ridiculous and cool?
Yeah, because I was just gonna come up
with some kind of like a wall mounting bracket thing
or something to run the tubing around.
But we could just put like roof hooks.
But that would be better.
Anyway, worst case scenario,
we disconnect the whole room thing.
We give up and we go to each system
being individually liquid cooled,
which isn't that crazy.
A D5 liquid cooled system with Swiftac gear
is not a problem.
It's fine.
It would be fine.
Not a problem.
We'll just move the reds inside the case.
We should totally overclock the workstations.
You know we have to do it.
Once we don't have to worry about the heat,
we jump into the room
and we don't have to worry about throttling
because the problem is that two of their systems
are thermal throttling whenever we render.
That would be an interesting case for binning.
Yeah.
Because we could see, we could try to limit every system
and then see which ones come out like which.
I think we don't have enough of the same processor.
Not really.
Yeah, because we have like,
I think we have like 13960X, 149 something.
Oh yeah, so they'll be kind of all over this.
And then we have a K.
I think those are the six cores we have,
so I don't know.
Right.
All right.
So yeah, we are, we are, we are.
This is gonna be fun.
That way all the pipes could be copper even.
Yeah.
And that would just be so nice.
Yeah.
I don't know, it'd be pretty cool.
You gotta be badass.
He clear coats all of his pipes too.
Right, so it would look awesome.
Yeah.
And like, it wouldn't, like we'd have to figure out
how we want the fittings to work
to come out to the systems,
because I'd want to be able to move desks around
if we really need to, you know?
Like if we had like a fitting system.
You could T-line every once in a while
and then have it go to a flexible pipe.
Okay, we'll figure it out.
We can, yeah.
We'll figure it out.
So yeah, we'll be overclocking the workstations
maybe just a little bit, not a ton.
You don't want to overclock a workstation to the max,
but anyway, so the confirmations here.
The fact that we've got cases, power supplies,
Noctua's in already.
So, oh right, the outside fans will be there.
They're water resistant fans.
Which totally makes sense.
Which totally makes sense.
We actually came up with,
it's funny because I teased them about it in the video.
I was like, why does anyone need a waterproof fan?
That's stupid.
Oh, we do.
Oh wait.
Because we're doing something stupid.
Because we're going to hang quadruple rads
off the fascia boards of the building
and then have fans behind them.
We're going to have those running off SwiftTech PWM splitters
so that we can actually control them if we really need to.
And then we're going to have all of those,
I figure we'll probably run those rads all in parallel.
Because otherwise you're going to get a lot of pressure
dropped from five quadruple rads in a row.
So, yeah.
Her neighbor's just going to be like, what?
Our neighbor's like this super nice lady
who's like super nice,
but also pays a lot of attention to our house.
She's a good neighbor.
Which means she'll notice that there's like stuff
hanging off our house.
So epic.
So she'll probably ask us.
Yeah.
Yeah, super, super nice lady.
What are those weird, loud things?
What the heck?
What are those?
Should I ask for 2000 RPM or 3000 RPM?
I mean, when we're talking about that much surface area,
2000 RPM is probably fine, right?
On the other hand, 3000 RPM is like a thousand more RPMs.
We have those controllable splitters.
That's true.
So we could just pull it down.
We could.
We could just get a PWM fan controller
and hook that up there.
IGN has a delayed video launch.
Sorry.
It's actually not too bad because it auto plays,
but it auto plays after a while
and it tells you that it's going to do that.
So I don't hate this as much as Tweakdown.
Okay.
So this is like the biggest copycat ever
because it wasn't that long ago
that Linus Media Group and Text Syndicate
and Austin Evans and New Egg TV,
they went to the top of a mountain to play a video game.
So.
I literally can't even.
Sorry, what?
I literally can't even.
That's a thing.
I literally can't even.
So anyway, the point is Ubisoft announces
the Far Cry 4 competition, Quest for Everest.
Oh my God, I keep signing you out.
What are you doing?
Which basically is going to offer one lucky fan
the opportunity to play Far Cry 4.
We should get John in.
Sorry?
What?
We should try and push to get John in.
To get John in?
That was the guy that.
Yeah, I know who John is.
Yeah.
I don't know if we'd be able to create a video entry
that would be good enough to win it.
I mean, the grand prize is for a 14 night.
I've only found one person who has a submission so far
and they're not gonna make it.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, well it's a 14 night sponsor specified
accommodation thing.
You get a guided trek to the Mount Everest base camp.
To be clear, you will not be going to the summit.
I've seen a lot of, a few different reporting sites
and a lot of different people talking about,
oh my God, going to the summit is impossible.
And no, it's to the base camp.
That's not like, it's still gonna be crazy,
ridiculously ridiculous, but it's not to the summit.
So this is basically the success rate.
So how many summits and what the success rate was
over the last however many years.
This is from National Geographic.
Yeah, National Geographic.
So you can see that if Ubisoft was trying to get a gamer
to the top and nothing against gamers, I love gamers.
Gamers are good people.
But climbing Mount Everest is not something
where being a good person is enough.
It's not about that.
It's about being in a-
You have such a good heart
that you just like float to the top.
Yeah, it's about being in an amazing physical condition.
Like this isn't the Grinch, man.
This isn't the little dog carries the sled
to the top of the mountain, like no big deal.
This is like serious stuff and you gotta train for it.
You gotta acclimate to the altitude.
You have to just have a physical disposition
that is capable of handling it.
Like you might just be unlucky and can't do it.
And that's fine, you're not a bad person.
You're just not able to summit Mount Everest.
So it's the base camp. Which is like, that's fine.
Which I think some people who I've seen
who have commented on, oh, it's just a base camp,
that's like stupid, I think probably don't realize
that base camp is still pretty intense.
Their base camp is incredibly high
and it's like not that easy to get to.
And their base camp is more just like a grouping of tents,
I believe.
Let me just find the elevation of the base camp.
It's still really, really high.
I think their base camp was considerably taller
than the mountain that we climbed.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
So base camp is about 17 and a half thousand feet.
And then there's a north base camp in Tibet
at just shy of 17,000 feet.
But you'll be, I'm pretty sure you'll be.
So this is thousands of feet higher than we were
when we did our Mount Elbert summit thing
with the land party.
Like it's nuts.
Yeah, so basically the articles about this are like,
yeah, they asked us to pass along
that there's an inherent risk of death
and significant injury to persons in property
associated with the quest for Everest experience.
And by participating, winner understands
and assumes this risk.
And there's like tons of physical trials
that you have to undergo before they'll even accept you.
And if you don't pass the physical trials
and they picked you, they'll just pick someone else.
Like they're dropping all of your awards
and all of your prizes and just picking someone else.
Cause they're not gonna deal with like having someone
that isn't ready to go up.
This is something I actually wasn't even aware of.
This is crazy.
The overcrowding?
Yeah, the overcrowding.
Like apparently climbing Everest is like.
But it's become kind of nuts.
That's the reason why I wanted to show
that original graphic of success rate.
Because gear ability of Sherpa's knowledge on the internet,
all this kind of stuff has massively increased
your possibility of making it up,
especially stuff like gear and technology
and pre-run lines and knowledge in general.
Like that the south path is a lot better
to take than the north path
and a few other things like that.
But there's been massive overcrowding.
People have brought up that of course
there's better times to climb than others.
So these photos are probably taken
during really good times to climb.
But it doesn't get rid of the fact that as of right now,
a lot of people are making it to the top
and these groups are all going as once.
So you're gonna be walking in this like conga line
almost the whole way up, walking and climbing.
There's shots, I don't know if they're necessarily in here,
even when there's like 10 to 20 people on the same rope
going up the side.
And then there's a serious garbage issue
where I think right now there's something in effect
where you have to come down
with a minimum amount of garbage
or else you get fined or something.
And a lot of people are just paying the fine.
And there's just tons of garbage.
And it's not good, really not good.
But yeah, I wanted to point that out
because it's almost unfortunate timing
that they're bringing more attention to Everest right now
because they're going through all these problems
of overcrowding and garbage issues and stuff like that.
There's even groups coming together
where they climb partway up
and just grab all the garbage that they possibly can
and then come back down.
Because they're trying to clean up the mountain
because it's so bad.
It's like wow, okay.
People just ruin everything, don't they?
All right, speaking of ruining everything,
it's time to bring Barnacles onto the show.
So do you wanna get him sort of arranged over there
while I cover our rumor topic?
Dun dun dun!
This was originally posted by Tech Check.
And speaking of words whose spelling have nothing to do
with how to pronounce them, check.
Like really, C-Z?
What's C-Z?
Apparently I made a mistake in last night's
or the night before's Tech Quickie video
where I pronounced Brisbane, Brisbane.
And for that I am very sorry.
Isn't it not even spelled that way though?
No, B-R-I-S-B-A-E-N-E or whatever.
Okay.
Yeah, it's spelled that way.
But that's not how you say it.
And within moments of the video being up,
there were comments about herder, lol,
Linus doesn't know how to pronounce Brisbane.
And my wife was like, what, really?
Even I knew that.
You know how good I am at geography.
I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, I made a mistake.
It's very funny.
So yes, my bad, you guys.
I'm very sorry to everyone who lives in India
or wherever Brisbane is.
Just kidding, just kidding.
I know it's not in India.
So I'm very sorry to all of you down under.
And I apologize.
And can I help you with something?
I didn't have headphones.
All right, I wanted to do a quick rumor topic
before we bring on our large guest.
Here we go.
So this was originally posted by Tech Check.
And it is rumored that the GT,
I'm getting a look from them right now.
It was rumored that the GTX 870 and 880
are coming in October.
It is rumored to be a GM 204 chip,
still a 28 nanometer chip.
Are you looking for a splitter?
Can I help you with finding a splitter?
Where's the splitter?
It's supposed to live right here.
You are splitting my patience.
I have no idea.
There should be one in that bin.
Oh, okay.
That's good.
Touch it with your feet some more.
You know, I don't have to plug my things into that.
You don't touch it when you plug it in.
Well, I could.
Or I could taste it.
No, I won't do that, okay.
Anyway, the point is the size of the chip
is estimated to be between GK 104 and GK 110,
which makes sense.
I mean, GK 104 was never really intended.
This is, again, all conspiracy theory,
Nvidia has never confirmed this,
but it was never seemed to be really intended
to be a truly high-end chip,
but GK 110 was extremely large and very expensive.
So it's rumored to perform better than a 780 Ti.
The memory interface is rumored to be 256 bits,
and it is rumored to consume less power than 780 Ti,
and the memory capacity is rumored to be eight gigabytes.
So that's quite the set of rumors there
about gigabytes and bits.
Anyway, I don't have anything to say about that.
I haven't heard anything from Nvidia at this time,
so that's why I'm going ahead and commenting on rumors.
Speaking of rumors, there's one rumor
that I wasn't able to comment on not that long ago,
but of course now Nvidia has unveiled.
Can't say anything about it
because the review embargo has not passed yet.
Not even gonna say when that is,
but I will say I do have a Shield tablet,
and I don't even think I can say it's great or anything.
I think all I can say is-
Were you allowed to show it on camera?
Well, they have pictures of it.
I didn't show anything that no one's ever seen before.
So yeah, I can't imagine we'll get in too much trouble.
I mean, what are they gonna do?
Tell us we can't have our Titan blacks?
They could do that.
Ooh.
That never happened.
Continue on with the show.
Internet, please do not give us away.
Please do not give us away.
And without further,
whatever, this guy.
What's up, guys?
Hey, welcome to the show, Barnacles.
I'm back.
Did you hear the one about the guy who lost his job?
Oh man, guys, I about pissed myself
when you said a Barnacles edition with tears on the box.
I lost it.
Oh my God.
How are you doing, man?
No, I'm hanging in there.
Life's gonna change a whole lot,
but whoa, man, I'm moving around a lot.
No, I'm doing all right, actually.
I wasn't doing so good a couple days ago,
but I'm doing all right.
Here, I wanna position you correctly
so you're kind of a reasonable size.
So, well, okay, don't take that the wrong way.
I lose my job every like three days.
It's okay, I've been on the internet for a while.
These fat joke things, I come to expect them.
I get worried when they go away, actually.
No, that wasn't even where I was going with that one.
It slipped out.
You skinny people are all alike, every one of you.
All right, so tell me this, what's the plan?
Well, the plan is at this point, I've got time.
I've got enough resources saved up to get me through,
for about six months, a year, I'm thinking.
So I'm gonna go ahead and try to be my own boss.
I'm gonna try to push the YouTube thing.
I'm gonna try to work on my gaming company,
Opulent Studios.
Founded that with a bunch of friends,
wanna get that back off the ground
and see where it takes me.
If the internet rejects me and doesn't leverage me,
well, then I'll probably have to go back
to the corporate empire.
So that's the plan.
You figure you've got a year worth of nest egg
to develop, hey?
That's not bad, that's very doable.
No, no, that's not bad.
Do you have enough to get some help
or would you be trying to one man army it
a la Marcus Brownlee or a lot of those guys
who have shown that you can have great success on YouTube
even without an entire crew?
In the beginning, I'm gonna go it alone on the YouTube side.
But on the development side, I've actually got a crew,
I've got a graphics artist, another developer and a PM
that are all involved on the development side.
So I'm gonna be working two different projects
in two different corporations.
The Barnacles nerdgasm thing will be just under me
and the Opulent Studios will be under me
and three other people.
But as far as bringing somebody in on YouTube,
that's not something that I'm against.
I mean, it's something that at some point
I'm gonna have to do if it gets to the point
where I need to create more than say one video a day,
five days a week.
At some point I've got to be able to go do something else
other than make videos.
Yeah, you tell yourself that now.
I'm already feeling the pressure too, let me tell you.
Not having a job to go to, it's hard to,
I used to be able to come home and justify it
and be like, ah, you know, I'm kind of tired
and I'm just gonna tweet out, I'm not gonna make a video.
It's fine.
Now I'm like, wow, I sat at home for eight hours
and I didn't make a video.
I better make a video.
And you know, the funny thing is you go and you hire people
to supposedly, you know, help you make more videos
or reduce your workload and you just end up pouring it
right back into production values or other projects
or whatever else the case may be.
Like every time I find a way to alleviate
some of the pressure, like this week I had Nick,
who's actually my sales guy, script an episode
as fast as possible.
He did a great job.
The Ambient Occlusion video is coming out
this weekend or Monday.
And so I had him do that and then I'm spending
all of my time scripting a build guide.
So it's like, I'll just find some other massive project.
So the build guide was gonna be the build guide.
And then I'm like, oh yeah, I've got a little bit more time
to work on this.
I'm gonna go get some Plasti Dip and I'm gonna like figure
out ways to really make this one pop.
We're gonna take this build guide to the next level.
Yeah, no, I definitely get that.
I'm gonna have the same problem
because I'm used to taking all of the revenue
the channel's generated thus far
and just dumping it back into camera equipment,
lighting equipment, stuff for the cave,
upgrades for the computers.
And now I've got to figure out how to like somehow leverage
that to support my family at the same time
is still maintaining that.
So it's gonna be tricky.
That's why I'm glad I have time to make it happen.
It's not gonna happen overnight.
I'm probably gonna drift into the red
before I drift into the black.
But you know, I won't know unless I try
and it'll bug the hell out of me if I don't.
You know what I'll say that I hope is really encouraging?
Like there have been exceptions.
There have been the people who watched Linus Tech Tips
before we sold out, which is always funny to me
because these days I have far less reason to care
if someone buys the product that I review
than back when I worked at a company
whose existence relied on people buying the products
I was making videos about.
So if you trusted me then you should probably trust me now
because it's not really any different.
It's certainly not any worse.
But there were the people who watched back then
and haven't liked it since we started
having to actually support ourselves
and make a living off of this content.
But by and large, the vast, vast majority of our viewers
of our audience never skipped a beat
and have continued to support us
no matter what it is we're doing,
whether it's t-shirts or whatever else it is.
So I would venture, I would hazard a guess
that if you asked your community to step up
and help support you now that you don't have a day job,
they will probably do it.
I'll agree with that.
My community has been more supportive
than I ever thought they would be.
And to be honest, the morning that I was laid off
came as complete surprise to me.
I was thinking about it and I was like,
I need to go find another job.
I absolutely have to go find another job.
That whole day, that's all I could think of.
And it wasn't until I saw the positive feedback
that I got on Twitter, on Facebook,
even on the comments on the video that I posted,
I was surprised.
I mean, it got like 100 dislikes to 12 or 14,000 likes
and I've never had that kind of ratio before.
So the community really knows how to come together.
And as long as you're straight with them
and you let them know what's going on,
it seems like they're cool with it,
you're always gonna have the trolls.
No matter what, you're always gonna have the trolls
that come out and say, oh my God, you're a sellout.
You're doing this, oh, you've changed.
Oh, I don't like what you're doing now.
But that's always been there before I made it a career.
So I still expect that to be there.
But by and large, I think the community
is gonna back me up.
If they enjoy what I do, I'm gonna keep doing it.
And if they decide they don't enjoy it anymore
and the community starts to go away,
well, then that's my sign
I probably shouldn't be in this business
and I should go actually get a job, you know?
Yep, 100% agree.
And I mean, I've messaged you privately saying,
I think you're doing a great job
in terms of developing your style,
developing your delivery.
I think I gave you some feedback
that wasn't quite as positive, but.
It changed my direction a little bit though.
If you notice, my videos aren't 30 minutes long anymore.
And you know what's funny about it is no matter what,
and you can listen to me
or you can listen to someone else or whatever else,
everyone's gonna have a different idea
for how you can run it.
So if there's any advice that I can give you right now,
it's tune out the advice
unless you really truly believe in your heart of hearts
that it's exactly what you need to be doing.
Because otherwise you'll go in a thousand
different directions and you'll be spread so thin.
It has to be its own channel too.
Well, the nice thing about me
is I've got the ADHD thing going on for me.
So it's like all this advice pours in
and just little pieces stick here and there and here.
And I'm only capable of doing what I'm capable of doing.
So it's ultimately gonna solve itself.
Honestly, my first thought when I heard was
his YouTube channel is actually pretty big.
You can actually probably do this.
Yep.
I was actually pretty excited at the same time.
When we went indie, we were three people.
I had to support three people
and we had around 250,000 subscribers
and we were doing around 160,000 to 180,000 views a day.
So you have to support one person
on a subscriber number that's, I don't know, whatever,
two thirds, math's not my strong point,
and view numbers that are in the sort of third-ish
and maybe a little bit less range.
You can do it for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm trying to go in a unique direction with my channel.
Like you guys know, it's been all over the map.
I mean, you can find videos on how to put brakes
on your car on my channel.
I mean, they're there if you look for them.
But realistically, I'm gonna stick
with the 3D printing stuff.
I'm gonna get heavily into development though
and that's a territory I haven't done before
because I wanna keep my development skills sharp.
I've been programming for 15 years
and now I don't have a job to go and program every day.
So I'm gonna be working on games with Opulent Studios,
but I'm also planning on doing a series of videos
where I actually show people how to program.
I'm gonna start with a simple high level language
like C-sharp and show them how to write some cool little
tools and utilities.
And I think that that'll be kind of fun
because I'm not gonna go the conventional route of,
oh, here's a tutorial, watch me type in some stuff.
I'm actually gonna make it kind of funny
and really screw around a whole bunch
and try to captivate people and keep their attention.
And the other thing is, a lot of people think
that I overham it up in my videos.
I get this, they're like, man, you're trying to be funny.
The thing you got to realize,
I am the slowest editor on earth.
And the only way I can make it through three hours
of editing is if I'm laughing at myself.
So I intentionally ham it up so that when I'm editing
the video, I'm sitting here at certain parts,
pissing myself going, I really shouldn't leave that
in there, but I'm going to cause it made me laugh
or I'll cut it out entirely, even though it made me laugh.
But it keeps me entertained
and that's what gets me through it.
When I did the boring, like unboxings, just open it,
like, hey guys, here's what this is,
kind of cool and everything.
I had a really hard time editing that stuff.
It wasn't until I started just kind of playing around
a little bit that I had fun with it.
And then you kind of see that come out in the video.
You're like, oh, he actually had fun making this.
If you make fun, entertaining programming videos,
that would actually be pretty cool.
I know, have you ever seen a fun programming video?
There's never had.
The best one I could find was the new Boston or something.
And he's like, every once in a blue moon,
there's like a slightly edgy comment
that might make you chuckle.
That's like the most entertaining programming videos
I've pretty much ever found.
So if you can find something that actually makes me laugh
and teaches me how to program, that would be really cool.
Okay, so envision this.
What if I did a video where it was like Bob Ross,
you know, with like the bush and here's the little tree.
I'm gonna be like, here's the little variable.
And then I just keep going back to it.
I'm like, here's this variable again.
We're gonna put a little symbol next to him.
See, makes him look cool.
I think that's pretty funny.
We're learning, it's a happy accident.
Oh my God, yeah.
No, but I'm gonna try things out.
I'm gonna take risks.
Like I said, I had time.
If I didn't have time and just to clarify,
a lot of people think I'm taking a huge risk here
for my family because my son needs a lot of therapy.
Realize I am not gonna let my resources get exhausted.
I will go back to an IT job long before I'm in trouble.
I'm not gonna push this to the last minute and go,
oh crap, I screwed up.
Let's go live under a bridge.
Ain't gonna happen.
All right, so speaking of screwing up
and living under a bridge, if you steal in-game items,
one British MP, this was posted by Johnners on the forum,
one British MP thinks that you should go to jail
or P find or community service
or whatever real world consequences exist
for real world crimes.
He wants to see that happen to people
who steal things digitally.
And we're not talking steal digitally
like what we're always hearing about.
Stealing movies, stealing music, stealing windows,
which you don't have to care about anymore.
No, actually I would care about it more than ever.
We're talking stealing swords,
like in-game items and stuff like that.
And not like, oh, he ninja looted it.
He picked it up off the ground before I could,
or he like need roll date when he didn't actually need it.
Or he stole the guild bank.
You gotta realize, swords and games to some of these guys
are like real items.
They are, I have a friend who plays World of Warcraft
and seriously, the way I see him scream in pain
when something bad happens in that game,
it's like you might as well be like stealing his real stuff
and like breaking his house and beating him with it.
And the thing about it is,
and this is something like for me personally,
in-game items are not something
I've spent a ton of money on over the years.
This is a fairly interesting thing
I'm gonna interject before you keep going.
You can buy a Karambit in real life for cheaper
than you can buy a Karambit in Counter-Strike.
Wow, that's screwed up.
The future is making sprites and selling them.
Originally Jonner's post on the forum
was kind of mocking this,
as if you know, ha ha ha, it's not real stuff.
And as someone who doesn't spend a lot of money
on in-game or digital items,
I kind of, my initial knee-jerk reaction was,
what really, go to jail for,
like get charged with grand theft
for stealing $5,000 worth of boots
in Diablo or whatever the case may be.
And then I kinda stopped and thought about it for a second,
because is a digital currency,
and we could just, let's just call in-game items,
let's call Team Fortress 2 hats a digital currency.
Are they not?
Anything that can be converted to and from another currency
and can be traded for goods and services between people
is kind of a currency.
So is stealing digital currency that someone worked for,
and if that work was farming gold
or if that work was sitting at their desk trading stocks,
is that any different?
Is that currency any different from money?
And I kinda started thinking about it going,
well shit, $5,000 of in-game boots is still $5,000,
and that's still about stolen.
I think this is a huge step in the right direction.
So sorry, I'm all done with my thoughts.
Yours.
No, I agree, I agree.
I think people take that stuff very, very seriously,
and it's one thing to get your items stolen in-game
if you put yourself in harm's way,
but to have hacking involved to take it.
I mean, I really don't look at it any different
than hacking a bank account and taking money out.
I mean, you're definitely taking away
something somebody worked for.
Yeah, and we're not talking like you board their ship
and you gank it.
Right, right.
We're talking like-
You board their 1011 port and send an UB packet
and like knock it over and steal all their crap.
Yeah, it's bad.
I meant yoink, I said gank.
I don't know how that slipped out.
Yoink the shit?
Oh, see-
Whatever.
Like I was going for the Simpsons thing
and he's completely- Gank can't work.
I know, it kind of works, but-
Not fully.
What I meant to say was yoink,
and I have no idea how that worked.
We all kind of let it slide
because you're not that much of a gamer anyways.
So we were like, ah.
Wow, wow, wow.
You know what's funny is I can't beat
the last level of Bioshock Infinite.
But you can't beat it on a shield.
No, I tried it on my computer last night.
I'm only a quarter of the way through.
I really need to finish that
now that I actually like have time.
And you know what?
I'm more of a gamer these days
than you give me credit for.
I actually game a fair bit on Nvidia Shield.
I play Bioshock Infinite.
That's the most recent game
that I've played in a long time.
I'm more of a gamer these days
than you give me credit for.
I play Bioshock Infinite.
That's the most recent game I've played.
I started Limbo.
And you played it for like five minutes.
You started Limbo.
I'm almost done Super Meat Boy.
What are the release dates of all these games?
I don't care.
Not that that really matters,
to be completely honest.
I hate you.
Anyway, the point is,
do you have anything to add
to the in-game items thing?
No, I think it's awesome.
I've seen a whole bunch of stuff like this happen.
I know people that have had their accounts hacked.
I've had my account hacked.
I've had my account hacked
and all my games stolen from Origin.
It was a nightmare to get it all back.
Took me like a week.
At one point in time,
my character in WoW was worth a lot of money.
And my WoW account got hacked like many times,
despite doing many precautions.
Yeah.
It really seemed to matter.
All right, so let's move on to the next thing.
Valve had this controller idea
that was like revolutionary and groundbreaking.
We were gonna have touch pads.
Oh, I thought we were all gonna do it now.
Barnacles was doing it.
And then, are we going for this?
What are we doing?
I'm confused.
What kind of show is this?
I don't know.
The point is,
Valve had this innovative controller idea with touch pads,
and I kind of looked at it and I went,
okay, that's cool in theory.
Let's see how this pans out.
And I swear,
every single revision to the Steam controller
makes it closer and closer and closer to this,
which is the Shield controller.
And I'm not saying that Valve was copying something
that didn't exist yet.
I'm saying that the Shield controller
is not really inherently any different
from an Xbox 360 controller.
And so the closer it gets,
the less innovative it is.
And I just have to wonder
if there's any point in them
even continuing to develop this thing.
If it's just eventually gonna get rid of the touch pads,
even?
Yeah, so the latest iteration.
Here, sorry, I'm making Barnacles go away for a bit here.
Sorry, sorry.
We've got a couple shoulder buttons.
We have a touch pad.
There's those back buttons.
Basically, everything's the same.
They changed one of the directional pads with the joystick.
Yes, so we've got a joystick and ABXY now,
which originally was not the case.
I personally am starting to kind of like it,
but I'm not a huge fan of both analog sticks
being on the bottom.
I'd prefer to have a D-pad here
and an analog stick up here.
Your thoughts?
With how I hold it, I like having my analog stick.
Be careful where you go with this sentence.
I like having my analog stick on the top of the left side
because I kind of push it into my left hand,
which makes my left hand go up a little bit.
It's just because I've used an Xbox 360 controller
for so long.
So I like it being up there.
So this is still going to bug me
unless I just use that touch pad all the time.
Then why would I use this controller?
Jerry, touch pads.
Touch pads on game controllers.
Honestly, I thought it was really cool
when they first did it.
And then I was like, nah, this isn't going to work.
Because you don't have that precision.
You just get used to using the thumb stick after so long.
And when you pick up a controller,
it's just having something you have to constantly
keep picking your finger up and moving it back
and dragging around and stuff would drive me
absolutely crazy.
Well, they demoed playing Portal.
But then if you watch that demo,
they weren't doing anything particularly complicated.
I maintain that the only games
that really makes a ton of sense for is stuff like Civ.
And if it was going to be-
Where it's like turn-based, kind of slow,
where you can kind of sweep around
and there's probably more things on screen.
And if you were going to play Civ anyway,
wouldn't you just get like a TV dinner stand
and like a ducky mini?
Much better.
And a mouse?
That would be much better.
I guess it really depends how the games are developed.
But honestly, games are going to be developed
either for a keyboard mouse experience
or for a controller experience.
I mean, until they start specifically making game profiles
that like suit thumb touch pads, it's going to feel awkward.
And my thing is that the original design catered to,
they're adding something to the market.
So that hopefully more games could be played
in this situation.
And now they're moving away from that
to the point where before I was like,
okay, maybe I can have this controller
for those couple of games where it makes a ton of sense.
And now I'm like,
no, I'll just probably stick to a 360 style controller
and be fine.
Yeah, I think what it comes down to
is just what people are used to.
I mean, you've been using the 360 controller
and that style of controller for so long
that it's going to be really hard to change over.
Just like keyboards, right?
We all use the standard layout.
We don't use Dvorak.
You know, some people do,
but it's like who wants to memorize a whole new format
just to be a little bit faster.
I switched to Dvorak actually, and I loved it,
but it was a serious issue every single time
I'd use someone else's computer.
I bet.
And that's what ended up making me drop it actually,
because when I switched, I wasn't working.
I was just going to school.
And then when I started working again,
I was in an IT shop.
So people's computers would come in
and I had to work on tons of different people's computers
all the time.
And it just drove me nuts.
I couldn't memorize both different layouts.
Yeah, that's the problem with deviating from standards
is you're on your own, right?
I mean, once you do that,
you're carrying your own keyboard everywhere.
Yeah.
If I only ever used my own keyboards, it would be fine.
We had an intern once
who brought his own keyboard to work every day.
That's a hardcore intern right there.
And he had a plastic cover for it
that kept it dust proofed and everything.
It was fantastic.
He was bad-ass.
He didn't care about the mouse.
Nope.
Well, every computer I had at work
was a mechanical keyboard.
I bought mechanical keyboards for my two offices
and my two workstations,
because I just couldn't stand
those little membrane keyboards anyway.
I have my own mechanical keyboards on all my stations now.
Which is bizarre
because we have so many mechanical keyboards here.
Don't let me use any of them.
Well, then you'll ruin them.
You'll get some alive points.
It's a good investment for the workplace.
It's a really good investment for the workplace
because you can tell if people are working
with mechanical keyboards
because you just kind of listen.
It's like, ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
That's a good point.
All right.
Everything else for gel caps.
Speaking of not being sure if anyone's working,
the hard drive industry.
So we first got four terabyte hard drives
back in late 2011.
And if you guys remember, leading up to that,
we were getting new hard drive capacities
like, what, every six months?
We went from 320 to 640 to 500, 750s and one terabytes.
And then we got one and a half terabytes,
two terabytes, three terabytes, four terabytes,
and then nothing.
I still remember being at PAX,
having to explain to everybody what a terabyte was.
Don't forget the six.
That wasn't, I think Samsung made a six.
Was it Seagate or Samsung?
I can't remember.
It's actually had a big one, I think.
Yeah, yeah.
Can't remember.
Someone did.
But the point is, we're finally seeing
a big move all of a sudden.
WD just released a red six terabyte,
and then they went ahead and validated it
for up to eight of them in a single enclosure.
So we're talking 48 terabytes
in a single eight bay enclosure,
which is freaking unreal.
And Seagate is apparently sampling
eight and 10 terabyte hard drives.
The original article is from DSL.SK.
This is not to end users or anything,
but let's just have a brief discussion.
What would you do with 10 terabyte hard drives?
I'd just back up the internet.
I'd just back the whole thing up
and then cancel my internet subscriptions,
save some money.
I guess you need to now, because.
Oh, you're a terrible person.
I can see a lot of people buying two drives
and raid wanting them instead of a huge set
and raid wanting the huge set.
That's exactly what I'd do.
So you could streamline them.
You don't need massive hard drive arrays as hardcore.
You won't need this full tower
just because you want a lot of hard drives.
Well, my NAS setup is three external drive arrays
that each hold four drives.
So I could have a total of 12 of those 10 terabyte.
That'd be awesome.
That'd be absolutely awesome.
You know what's funny is I used to just kind of
crave more storage, and I was always trying
to add more storage.
I got Windows Home Server v1,
a project which I was super sad
got just completely destroyed.
You and me both, you and me both.
I still run 2011 and I'm pissed off
that they took out all the drive pool capability.
Yeah, so drive pool was super cool.
And I would just add drives and add drives and add drives.
And then I moved to 2011 and I finally went
with a proper raid because that's what you have to do now.
And I built like a big fat raid and then I expanded it.
And that ended up being the server
that now lives at our office and we use for that.
And when I had to move something back to my house
because I now had no NAS, what I realized
was my personal data was only taking up
about three and a half terabytes on it.
I don't even know what people, and that's mine, my wife's,
like we only have SSDs in our computers.
So that's all the mass storage for everyone in my house.
I can't figure out what people are putting on their NASes.
I have a lot of data, I have a lot more than that.
Yeah, for me, it's the raw image stuff.
Like when I do photography in my family and stuff,
like a single raw image I have can be 65 megabytes
for just like one raw image.
I back up a lot of the work I've done here on my own NAS.
I back up like all my school stuff I've ever done.
All images, I keep game installation files for old games
where you'd like need the CD now.
If it's not on Steam, essentially.
Those aren't that big.
We're talking 650 meg files.
We're talking 10 Barnacles photos.
I have a lot.
Right, okay.
And like I still do the first stuff that I have on Steam.
I've never come close to filling up my storage.
I mean, I still have 30% free and I'm already ready
to go buy the next generation of drives.
It's funny you guys are talking about this
because I was gonna go buy a whole bunch
of the six terabyte reds to replace my existing
one and two terabyte drives that are in there.
So what I'm planning to use the new high capacity drives
for is I'm gonna, because right now we have
way too many drives.
We have a 21 terabyte array that's made up
of three terabyte drives.
It's in RAID six, so there's two for redundancy there.
And then we have a couple hot spares just in case.
Redundancy's a big deal.
Everybody needs to use that.
No, I was saying redundancy's a big deal.
I learned a bad lesson when I first set up
my first Windows home server is yeah,
I wasn't replicating the data across any of the drives
and I lost some stuff that I'll never get back.
And that's freaking horrible.
So now everything in my house, I just consider half
the storage is what I get because everything's redundant
one way or another.
Yeah, so I'll be using the new drives to build an offsite
so that we can be doing a nightly sync
to somewhere that's not here.
I was doing that for some essential stuff before
with my home one, but it just doesn't have enough space
on it.
It's like kind of an older, not very many port RAID card
and I only have one terabyte drives for it.
We don't actually have a ton of extra drives around here
because-
If you use them all.
Yeah, we don't do a ton of hard drive reviews.
No one's released anything in the last however many years.
So what are we gonna review?
So we're not gonna get review samples or anything.
And then like-
And every time that there is a new hard drive,
it's like, yay.
Put it in the server.
It's bigger a little bit.
Yeah, so there's not much to say,
but yeah, I guess all I would do with them,
if I had two 10 terabyte drives,
I would just go straight RAID one.
Two drives, RAID one, done.
Because I don't need amazing write speeds
for network attached storage.
And then RAID one,
you do get a slight read speed benefit from it.
So great.
Yeah.
Like that single or double drive RAID ones
will be pretty sweet actually.
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Barnacles, do it now.
Welcome back.
How are you?
Education, learn your book.
People are requesting that you teach C plus plus
or C instead of C sharp, by the way.
No, God.
Okay, one thing you can't make C and C plus plus funny.
You can't.
Are we about to get a rant?
I would love to hear it.
Let's hear a programming rant
about why one programming language is much funnier
than the others.
Please go.
C and C plus plus require you
to do all your own memory management
and pointer precision logic and all that.
It takes forever to get anywhere.
I will personally watch if you do C and C plus plus.
All right, screw it.
I'm doing a C and C plus plus.
Yeah.
I'm gonna be like, all right guys,
we're gonna do hello world
and it'll be a four hour long.
Damn it.
I like C sharp because it's like in a hundred lines of code,
you can make something cool
and C and C plus plus, a hundred lines of code.
Yeah, you can do hello world
and like properly return something.
It's not that bad, but still I prefer language
to higher level languages with rapid development
and stuff, creating applications, stuff like that.
If I'm not creating drivers,
I'm not gonna be using native code.
So yeah, that's how it's gonna be.
Fine.
Yeah. Whatever.
Whatever.
I'm not doing Java, okay?
I'm not doing Java.
Thank you, I'm okay with that.
No, actually I'll take that back.
If I go work for Google, I will do Java.
There's Nara now.
Oh, now we've got everybody over here doing like,
doing C plus plus, nice.
See out hello world.
All right, fine, fine.
God, these people.
Oh, Twitch chat.
Okay.
How I love them.
I'm in the steam music beta thing with this.
Wow, good for you.
You get a prize.
This guy is such a breaker.
Everything is about you
and you're always so down on our guests.
You're being all insulting to them.
No, I have not once insulted Barnacles.
No, Linus just keeps making me hungry.
He said, smorgasbord, I was like, hmm.
Yeah.
Hey, I wanted to ask you guys about something earlier.
You were talking about the water cooling stuff
that you're gonna do, the whole room water cooling.
Yeah.
I was thinking you guys should put a kiddie pool outside
as the reservoir with a curtain on it and a shower
and literally just before the rads put the shower.
So you can just go out there and have a nice heated shower
all the time.
And then it would pick it up, run it through the rads,
pull the heat and then loop it back through.
That would be awesome.
That would make the funniest video ever.
Imagine having to clean and decontaminate that loop.
Yeah, can you imagine having like ball sack gunk
in your water block?
No, no, it's okay.
Just put a filter in there on your loop.
You have an industrial pump so just put yourself
like one of those microbial filters on it and you'll be fine.
You know how there's that like junk face commercial thing?
Junk loop.
Just don't use clear tubing.
You don't want to see little floaties flying through there.
It's like, yeah, my GPU's overheating.
There's a pube in it.
You said it, you said it.
Hey, I showed restraint there.
Oh my God.
That'd be so funny.
You'd like take your water block apart
and there's like a cat ball here.
No, actually loop contamination was one of the big things
I was worried about with that project
because I actually, I found other projects
where people had gotten the notion
and it's a mistaken notion but had gotten the notion
that having a very large reservoir
will make your loop run cooler.
What it does is it makes your loop take longer
to reach equilibrium but your temps
will not be appreciably lower unless your reservoir
is also a heat dissipation device.
So if you had aluminum fins on it or something like that
where it was actually cooling the water in it,
then that does something.
Otherwise, you're just creating a much longer delay
while the water heats up.
So I found a couple projects where people were using
things like five gallon pails
for their liquid cooling reservoirs.
And one of those guys, I mean, again,
we're talking people who think that the reservoir
will cool the loop so they're not doing their research.
Like I'm not saying that's a stupid assumption.
I thought that at one point until I did my research
and found out it doesn't work that way.
But we're talking people who didn't do a lot of research.
But anyway, one of these guys said he had enough gunk
growing in his loop within two weeks,
that his pump was not able to move any water
through a CPU plot.
Just to clarify for anyone who wants to do
a mineral oil build, you still need a fair amount
of volume in your tank.
Yeah.
Don't just be like, oh, I don't need that much, it's gay.
Yeah.
Speaking of mineral oil cooled machines,
our mineral oil kit from Puget Systems has shipped
and our 12 gallon, it arrived?
I think so.
Oh, well, our 12 gallon thing of mineral oil
has also shipped.
Oh, I don't think that arrived.
No, that's not here.
I shipped it to the US and then transferred it up.
So we are going to be doing for better or for worse,
an MATX mineral oil cooled machine.
Wish us so much luck.
Are you guys just gonna fully submerge the whole thing?
I'm sorry?
Are you gonna fully submerge everything?
You betcha.
Except for the hard drive.
The hard drive you can't though, right?
There's no hard drive positioning
in this tank configuration anyway.
Because the store I used to work at like 15 years ago,
they literally had a fish aquarium
they just filled with mineral oil
and everything's just dumped in there.
They didn't even do it nicely.
They just dumped the motherboard, dumped the power supply,
all the fans spin it like one RPM and it just works.
It's crazy.
That's fantastic.
Yeah, especially with their kits,
it's honestly a lot easier than you think.
Cause you just build it on the plate they have
and then slide it in and then pour oil in and you're done.
Okay.
How do you even clean that though?
If you ever wanted to take that out and upgrade it,
I mean, you just call the loss
as soon as you dip it in there.
You're on.
Basically, it's gonna take you forever
to dry out the component.
If it's something like a graphics card
that has a sticker on it,
which is less common these days,
but was very common back when I did it,
that sticker will come off.
Anything that's rubber will probably deteriorate,
die and particle away.
But most things will work.
Some things that you have to pay attention to
is stuff like thermal paste
could be kind of grabbed away from it.
So if you take it out of the oil,
you have to make sure that you re-thermal paste
pretty much everything.
Wow.
And you're probably going to have to drip dry your stuff
for a long time,
unless you feel like sacrificing bottles and bottles
of some type of non-conductive solution
that you can clean all the oil off with,
like isopropyl alcohol or something like that.
But you have to be careful with those too,
because some of the ones that I've seen people suggest
are really aggressive
and can eat away at metals and stuff,
which is not good for your components.
So be careful about what you're going to wash it with.
The way I did it was I just drip dried everything.
And everything worked except for my graphics card,
because I forgot to re-do the thermal paste and tested it.
And then it died, but everything else worked.
So basically we're going to,
I have a sacrificial graphics card that we're going to use.
I have an old 5870 iFinity 6 edition
that has a Spitfire cooler on it.
So it's got a nice big cooler.
So we could probably actually do it with no fan
on anything, like just oil flow.
Good, because it pushes the oil.
I know, but it's a very, very large cooler
and it extends away from the graphics card itself.
Yeah, I think I remember that cooler.
Yeah, it might be okay.
I mean, we'll try it and see how it goes
and then we'll go from there.
But yeah, it should be pretty cool, hey?
Yeah.
And we have an entire box of like tower heat sinks.
Yeah, and those are going to be the best
for that situation anyways.
Unless I've seen some people started screwing around
with putting like AIO liquid coolers
and just hanging the radiator outside of the thing.
So you have an individual cooler for the CPU
and then you cool everything else with oil.
Don't ask.
The coolest one that I've seen was somebody took a foam box
and they filled it with mineral oil
and then they took the condenser
out of one of those little windows AC units
and just set it on the top
and had a pump just circulating the liquid
over the top of the condenser.
And it was just keeping it like almost freezing.
That's fantastic.
And it would be easy to find a window air conditioner
that you could just cannibalize for something like that.
I'll be back in a moment.
Do you want to do the steam music topic?
Sure, sure.
Make sure you screen share with them and stuff.
Yeah.
You know how to do it, right?
Here, let's just switch laptops for a second.
Windows P.
We'll switch our identical looking laptops.
Hooray.
Oh, oh, there you go.
All right, so the steam music interface beta
isn't like that much of a looker
and there isn't a ton of support for different formats.
So they haven't actually added any support
from when it was just in steam big picture.
So as of right now, it supports stuff like MP3.
And that's it.
And they have a quote on their website that says,
unless you're a big fan of the play button,
you may not find your favorite music feature
exists here yet.
So there isn't a ton of features,
but what is actually really cool,
I'm excited for you to show this,
is the fact that you can play it
and mess around with it in the steam overlay.
So for me, I don't know if this is the default buttons,
but for me, it's just shift tab
and it brings up the steam overlay
and I can change what music I have
and what music I'm playing and all that kind of stuff,
which is kind of great.
It looks very simple.
So I'm going to bring it up here in one second.
Windows P.
Oh, geez.
Expand or duplicate, duplicate.
Wow, you field stripped that quick.
So this is essentially what it looks like.
So if you were in your library window in your dropdown,
instead of selecting games, you just select music.
And then it just has a list of all your music.
And then this player right here, this one individual pop-up
is essentially the player that you get.
Extremely simple.
There's no way as of right now,
as far as I can tell, to add all of your music to a queue.
It only works with MP3s.
There's almost no features.
It has shuffle.
It has shuffle of the album that you're playing.
So basically it has all the features of an iPod shuffle.
MP3 or go home, man.
Doesn't iPod shuffle have shuffle all?
I don't know.
I never had one because they were dumb.
I didn't have one.
Okay.
But yeah, so it's not a ton of features,
but the whole idea of it right now
is that they're trying to get feature suggestions
from the community.
So send them suggestions and they'll try and figure it out.
All right, so you mean like this one?
Yeah.
It's heavy.
There's my compressor over there.
Why do you just have this laying around?
I'm sorry?
Why do you just have this laying around?
Well, I used this for my old chilled liquid system.
I had an E6600 that I think I had
at four gigahertz, 24 seven stable.
I think that was the frequency I had it running at.
And I actually had this mounted to a cooler,
like an ice box cooler.
I had this mounted to that on like a thing
underneath my case so that it could be mounted all the time.
I had the whole thing insulated.
So my CPU load temps were in the sub team degrees full load.
That's awesome.
It looks like even custom mounted
some 120 millimeter fans on there too
to replace the big, huge one.
By custom mounting, you mean zip ties
and all the silver stone 120 mils
that I salvaged from customer builds.
Yes.
So basically I used to build all of the super high end
liquid cooled systems at NCIX.
And those systems were all in Silverstone TJ07.
So that case came with a couple of 120 millimeter fans
in the basement.
But most of the time I would end up ripping those out
and replacing them with some other high end fan
because these were customers buying 3,000, 4,000, 5,000,
$7,000 machines and most of them didn't care.
So I was like, when people would pick up the systems,
a lot of them were local orders.
I'd be like, yo, can I hold onto these fans?
So over the years, I have lost more of this model of fan
than probably most people have ever owned of any fan.
Wow.
It's pretty insane.
You have to repurpose that for the mineral oil build.
You have to.
I bet I could repurpose it for the whole room.
No, we probably shouldn't do that.
If the idea is to try to not kick heat,
I mean, we could mount it to the roof.
We could mount it to the roof.
The only problem is with the, if you mounted it outside,
you wouldn't have that cool air return.
So I don't know how efficient the condenser would be
because I mean the whole window unit, right?
Is you have all the heat exhausting outside
and then it's circulating the cool air inside
over the condenser.
I just don't know how much heat you'd be able to get rid of.
You just keep recycling that heated air.
You'd have to duck the hell out of it.
But inside it would work great for that mineral oil build.
That would just be cool.
Do it.
I don't know if it's worth it going with like
the smallest mineral oil case because we wanted to make it.
Yeah, no, not giant thing.
And this has like leaves on it and stuff.
So if we went with the-
Pretty dirty.
Hit it with some pry on it.
It'll be fine, dude.
All right, I'm gonna go put this thing away
because it's extremely heavy.
What else we got?
We have, I can jump to the Microsoft topic.
Yeah, sure.
Just to make it super awkward.
Ooh.
Yay.
So your favorite person in the world has decided to,
that he's going to be merging all separate versions
of Windows into one.
Yes.
So essentially they're bringing the like Windows desktop,
Windows phone and Xbox teams all together
into one little group.
And that one team will be streamlining
the next version of Windows
from all these three operating systems into one.
Yeah, it's what it sounds like.
And to be honest, if they do it right,
I think that's the right direction to go.
Cause I think it's just too hard to maintain
three completely different operating systems.
It makes sense.
But as far as, yeah, the layoffs don't make sense.
Cause like you still need all that intellectual property.
I don't get it.
Yeah, I don't really understand.
Well, the issue I have with this idea
is that we're assuming that Microsoft,
the company that brought us the Metro UI,
when they were only trying to converge two screens.
It's gonna be able to converge all of these together.
It's gonna be able to do what Apple decided was impossible
when they developed a completely new
operating system called iOS.
Good luck.
This is why I say if, if they do it right, I agree, if.
Cause no offense to Microsoft,
but Apple knows UI a lot better than they do,
or has demonstrated over the years
that they've been more progressively minded
in terms of UI than Microsoft.
One thing that I'm hoping is gonna happen
is that it's not a UI convergence necessarily.
Okay, so it's a different,
it's a different skin over top of the same background?
No, because if you go to the basically
exact same announcement that they made in April,
which is where they're doing universal apps.
If they just stick with the universal apps thing,
have everyone working together so that the UIs feel the same
like so that the idea is the same,
so that different menus will give you the same options
and stuff like that, but they aren't exactly the same.
I think that would be good.
Okay, so here's the problem.
I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you what's Microsoft.
I'm gonna show you what the problem is, okay?
So problem, here, hold on,
we got a screen share with me,
we got a screen share with me.
The problem is that if you have something
that's sharing features or sharing resources
between a couple of different iterations of the same thing,
then you end up with this.
Oh no.
So hold on.
Oh my.
What are you gonna wreck now?
Hold on.
How do I even open the Metro UI on this?
All right.
So I'm gonna go ahead.
Hit the magical Windows key.
I know it's disabled.
It's disabled on this one.
So if I can even get, there we go.
Stupid thing will even open.
So I want to say, for example, no, no, no, no, no.
Right, right, right, right, right.
I remember what I was trying to do, okay.
We'll get there eventually, everyone.
We'll get there eventually.
So users, okay.
So I want to edit users accounts or something.
What?
Wait, what?
Why can't I change my password?
Why can't I do anything?
Oh, wait.
What are you talking about?
That's the most intuitive UI ever.
Just look at that majestic thing right there.
What?
I'm in here now?
What?
Hold on a second.
What, what, what, what?
Learn to Windows, dude.
Learn to Windows.
I know, right?
And then, and then, and then, hold on, hold on, hold on.
No, it gets better.
It gets better.
So I go into here and I'm like, oh yeah.
Well, hey, I want to, you know, resolution.
I want to change my resolution or something.
So, okay.
Oh, actually.
Hey, it's intentionally obfuscated
so only power users can figure it out.
Dang it.
You know what?
The stupid thing here is I actually,
I had an example that I remembered where within Metro UI,
it dumps you back to the desktop.
Can't remember what it was anymore.
There's actually a couple of different places.
Yeah.
There's a couple of different places it does it.
I couldn't remember if resolution was one of them,
but the point is that I think when you give people this,
you know, oh, well, this one's optimal for tablets
or this one's optimal for desktop or for a 10 foot
or whatever else.
I think you leave a lot of room for corners to get cut.
Well, we don't want to redo the UI
for changing your user password.
So we're just going to dump you in this other interface
that you obviously, if you wanted to use it,
you would have been using it already.
Yeah.
And then there's places where there's duplication, right?
I mean, there's a lot of places
where the same exact features are exposed
through the desktop or through the modern shell.
And that gets a little confusing too.
I'm okay with that personally.
I'd rather have a duplicated feature
than missing functionality in one.
Cause that infuriates me when I'm looking for something.
Going to user accounts in the desktop version
and being able to change your password
and then going to user accounts in Metro,
whatever the heck and being able to change your password.
I think that's fine.
No, no, I agree.
And what I do when I, when I install Windows 8,
the very first thing I do is I go change
all the file associations.
So they all go to desktop applications.
Oh my goodness.
That is so annoying.
Whenever I fire up a new, I don't know what it is,
but whenever I fire up a new Windows 8 machine,
I'm always in a hurry.
So in the case of, in the case of this one,
cause if I wasn't in a hurry,
I'd install Windows 7 on it.
Shut up dude, come on.
So in the case of this machine,
I was in a hurry because we were supposed to do
our first sponsorship spot where we were using
these computers on the WAN show
and I needed to get my machine set up.
I needed to get all my logins done
so I could screen share and my Twitter
and my blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
all that stuff.
And what happened was I was like,
I was hurrying through it and I went
and I opened some photo.
I think it was like the lower third for the show.
And I spazzed, like lost it.
Cause it opens in this stupid application
that has no functionality, takes forever to launch.
In spite of the fact that I'm running on an SSD.
It's like, maybe you're a smart guy, you're a programmer.
Maybe you can explain this to me.
Why the hell could any application that's,
let's say, let's say the photo viewer,
let's say it's super bloated cause it doesn't do anything.
So let's say it's super bloated
and it's like a 30 meg program, okay?
Why could a 30 meg program ever take multiple seconds
to open on something that can read
at 550 megabytes per second with a processor
that's not even being taxed?
The short answer to that is dependencies on other services.
It's not-
Why? What is it even doing with the other services?
It doesn't do anything.
No, no, it does.
It does.
This is the thing people don't realize
is that most of the modern applications
that you're using are based on HTML5
that's rendered through MSHTML,
which is the IE's rendering engine,
which also has dependencies from the rest of the system.
So a lot of that slowness that you're experiencing,
everything is all those subsystems coming online
and into alignment so that it can render your experience.
That's stupid.
That's terrible.
But the whole point is,
is it makes it easier for developers to make an app
because they literally can make an app
that compiles at runtime
rather than having to actually like know how to code.
Really dumb.
I should probably rephrase that
because that is a form of coding.
I don't want all the HTML5 jocks to come after me.
But that's the simple answer is
whenever you have something
that sits on top of a bunch of subsystems,
all those subsystems take a memory.
Like people used to laugh.
Do you guys remember, like this goes way back,
but you remember that competition that was held in,
actually I think it was held in Canada, assembly?
Do you remember that when they used to have the competition
where who could make the coolest program in five kilobytes?
Yeah.
And so back then they did everything in assembly.
Every single instruction to the processor was raw.
They would try to make these things insanely small.
Well, now we do the opposite of that now.
We do is we build a layer on top of a layer
on top of a layer on top of another layer
that's like a cousin of another layer
and then another layer on top of that
so that you only have to write five lines of code.
But at the end of the day,
you're running 200 million lines of code,
which is half of what you don't need.
And that's the unfortunate part with higher level languages.
The thing I wish had happened then,
and this is going to seem like an odd thing to wish for
is if we're going to do that anyway,
then I wish Microsoft had had the stones
to just stick with what they did with Vista and say, look,
you want to have a great experience
with this operating system?
Get more RAM, get a better CPU.
They couldn't though.
They couldn't.
I know they couldn't, but I wish they had.
Oh, you and me both,
that's the thing is whenever you create a product
that's designed for a whole array of devices,
you have to develop for the lowest common denominator,
which unfortunately is like a Casio watch with Windows 8.
I mean, it's kind of like,
it runs on this for crying out loud.
This is a Surface RT.
This thing's got like less RAM than like a flip phone
and it runs on here.
So that's the problem.
They tried to make it super small.
And that's the thing is, I mean,
if Windows 8 was designed to just, when it boots up,
let's say I was willing to sacrifice
a little bit of boot up time.
Cause frankly, who cares?
Who shuts down their computer?
Sleep, man.
So-
No, and they do have,
they have a look ahead caching and stuff like that.
Like the system is supposed to learn your tendencies,
which apps you open and use most often.
And then it's supposed to load those ahead of time.
Like pre-cache them in a memory.
I think an operating system should probably assume
that at some point the user is probably,
consumer grade operating system,
that user is probably going to open a photo.
Yes.
I agree.
So why not just have it ready for me?
I guess that's the question.
And obviously it's not your problem anymore, but-
Nope.
That's my frustration as the end user
who kind of looks at this thing and goes,
this is an app that has no functionality.
It's bloated beyond all reason.
And it just makes my life worse.
It does nothing to make my life better.
The thing that makes me really upset is a lot of people,
like you're telling me about your bad
Windows 8 experience and your bad Windows 8 experience
so far has involved the modern UI, right?
And everybody talks about the modern shell,
the modern experience and the start screen, if you will.
And it's like those two things define the operating system
from the customer's perspective.
But it's like, if you look at everything else,
if you look at the memory manager, the kernel, the howl,
all the stuff that was redesigned for Windows 8,
it is so much faster and so much more streamlined
than Windows 7 ever was.
But like-
Which is why Windows 9 will be good.
It happens every time.
Yeah, but that's the thing that really sucks
because it's like all you do is you install Windows 8,
change your file type associations,
throw a classic start menu on it,
and the thing will run circles around Windows 7.
It just does.
I guess.
But every once in a while you'll run into something
and it's incredibly frustrating.
And the problem is that it just doesn't matter to me
because I've always been one of those guys who like,
I loved Windows Vista.
I thought Windows Vista was such a huge improvement.
Going back to Windows XP
felt like going back to the Stone Age,
once I'd been using Vista for six months, nine months,
when everyone else was still shunning it
because I was running four or eight gigs of memory
at the time and I was running a very fast dual core.
I think I either had an E6600 or a Q6600
or something like that, which was at the time
the Q66 was like a $700 processor.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So obviously no one was running that stuff,
but for me I was like, yeah, this is great.
So I've always been one of those people
who's just thrown more hardware at the problem.
So I mean, even with something like Windows 7,
let's say you have some inefficiency or something.
I mean, I've got an 8 SSD RAID 0 array.
What do I care?
Things like 20% slower.
I'll never see it.
So you go and put inconveniences in front of me,
like not being able to alter a user account
unless I go into the modern UI.
Well, screw you then, I'm not gonna use it.
And I think that's where a lot of people get stuck.
And are there great things about Windows 8?
Yes, absolutely.
It's just, I'm not gonna tear my hair out
every time I need to do some basic thing
and relearn it over that.
No, no, I completely understand.
And there are situations where even I would run
Windows 7 in place of Windows 8.
I mean, they're pretty rare situations,
but to each their own, I guess.
You said, like you said with Vista, right?
Vista was, if you only had a gigabyte of memory,
you were screwed, right?
Oh, it was terrible.
You were absolutely screwed.
Remember that horrendous ready boost solution
they came up with?
Yep, no, I remember ready boost.
Yeah, let's plug in a USB thumb drive
and make it look ahead cache.
It'll be awesome.
But for the record, it actually did work decent
as long as you spent a million billion dollars
on your USB stick.
I know it worked, but yeah, that's exactly it.
The USB drives were more expensive than just buying RAM.
And they had to be really fast ones too.
That was the thing is I remember,
if you plugged in one that wasn't certified
and you're like screw it, do it anyways,
it would actually slow you down.
Good times.
I know people that did it for laptops though.
It was mostly for laptops, it really was.
And honestly, a cool feature in Windows 8
is a Windows to go.
You can actually install it to a USB three thumb drive
and boot the entire operating system
and run it right off the USB drive.
And I think that's actually a cool feature to have.
Yeah, it's a really cool feature.
It's too bad that all of the instructions
for how to do it are so obtuse
as if they don't want anyone to do it,
that real people can't do it.
They don't want you to go into a library.
They don't want you going into a library
and like booting their computer off your thumb drive
and like hacking the Pentagon.
So it's, yeah.
The kinds of people who are gonna be hacking the Pentagon
are gonna be able to make their way
through the instructions.
You might as well just make it easier.
We wanted to do a video on it.
I know.
But hey, it gives me something to make YouTube videos
for the next year, apparently.
Cause like I got all kinds of things
that I can tell people about they don't know.
So that'll be fun.
Yeah, that was really infuriating.
Cause I found out about that feature.
I thought it was amazing.
And I was like, wow.
We were gonna do a video, 100%.
Or booting VHDs.
That's another thing they don't really advertise.
But you can, in Windows 8, you can actually boot a virtual,
you can boot a VHD, virtual disk.
And the benefits of that is now you can put
that virtual disk on anything,
not even just a USB thumb drive.
You can literally just transport it anywhere.
Oh, well, we'll see.
We'll see how Microsoft does without me.
Waiting for Windows 9.
Don't you mean Windows Barnacles edition
with tears on the box?
I would definitely get that.
I would buy that.
Somebody please Photoshop that.
If you're watching this,
I wanna see a Windows Barnacles edition box.
If you ever did like a Patreon or like a Kickstarter
to like, like Jay's Kickstarter to fund him to CES
or whatever else.
Yeah.
If you have a reward tier, that is a copy of Windows.
A reward tier.
Yeah, reward tier.
You get a tier.
Yes.
Ouch.
If you have a reward tier that is a copy of Windows
with a picture of you crying on the box, I'll buy it.
I promise.
Deal.
It'll happen.
If I ever do anything, there will be that level.
Okay.
It better not be so expensive that I can't afford it.
No, no.
I know you've only got Lambo money.
You don't have that Bugatti money yet.
Exactly.
So I'll keep it down there.
Speaking of employees and not performing very well.
You're such a dick.
These ones didn't get sacked.
No, no, no.
These are the ones not performing very well.
These guys didn't get sacked,
but what they did do was voluntarily give back
a part of a bonus.
So Samsung employees reportedly gave back 2.9 million
in bonuses to apologize for poor performance.
This was posted by Dietrich W on the forum.
And this is apparently fairly common practice
in South Korean companies, especially publicly traded ones.
So to be clear, this was across a mere 200 managers
in the mobile division.
So I ran the numbers.
I kind of went, okay.
So they gave back about a quarter of the bonuses each,
if we average out the whole thing,
and there are fewer than 200 of them.
So of their total $60,000 bonus,
they gave back about 15,000.
So they still took a $45,000 bonus
on top of whatever salaries they're making.
So they're still like-
Still, that's pretty damn significant.
To apologize for poor performance
and a significant drop in market share
that has resulted in-
Only slightly billions of less.
I like how they still think they deserve the 45,000 though.
They're like, oh, we sorry for our poor performance here.
You can have 15,000 back.
We still need the rest.
Yeah, so that was a little bit confusing to me.
It's like, we're not talking Nintendo,
where it's like, yeah,
we are slashing all of the executives pay voluntarily
because we need to do better.
By massive amounts.
By like massive amounts.
We're talking a one-time bonus.
We're not talking a decrease in salary.
And we're talking like a show of good will, good faith.
I'm a super baller.
Here's part of it back.
Here's a few company meals.
Well, I'm not going to Korea, guys,
because I'm not giving back my bonuses.
I'm sorry.
If I performed poorly and you gave me a bonus,
then you suck, company.
You need to reevaluate what you're doing.
Yeah, that's something I really don't get.
I don't get bonuses at all around here, apparently,
because my boss is a jerk.
But if I did get bonuses-
He names his company all these stupid names.
I know, he calls his company after himself.
That's like, who does he think he is?
What a megalomaniac.
Michael Dell.
Just saying, some other companies have done it
and it worked out okay for me.
Linus, did you ever get a bonus?
Give it back, give it back.
They used their last name for one, the Michael Dell guy.
How about Michael's?
A different Michael, but they sell arts and crafts.
Do you like that company?
Do I like that company?
Hey, Linus, just for fun, you should actually go
and like talk to your whole media group team or whatever
and be like, guys, I'm going to give you $100 bonus,
but I think you should give 50% of it back.
See, this is what happens.
I want to see if the whole American or Canadian mentality
is the same as the Korean mentality.
I want to see if everybody just offers up that 50%.
We should do that as a channel super fun.
That would be hilarious.
Yeah, where I award each person a bonus
and then tell them that I really-
I'm telling you, it's going to be like a percentage
of the remaining company.
Yeah, record it like vlog style.
Just walk up and be like, I would like to record you
with this $100, give it to them in like two fifties
or something or a couple of twenties and be like,
now, how much of that do you want to give back
to the company for your poor performance?
See why I love that stuff, it's so funny.
That's terrible.
I just hope he doesn't get hurt.
Speaking of terrible and getting hurt,
Samsung is taking on Beats with their Level headphones.
I mean, it's a pretty blatant case of going
straight after someone else's product because-
Are they trying to level them?
Well, no, it's because Beats is like a music term
and Level is like a music term and anyway,
the point is now Samsung also has headphones
that are expensive, fashionable and according to The Verge,
and they didn't even put a name on this article,
it just says by Verge staff.
So according to The Verge, for the most part-
Well, cause I think a whole bunch of different people
tried it on and stuff.
For the most part, they sound all right,
except the in-ears, which are apparently just bad.
So let's take bets on which company
is going to come out with volume.
That'll be the next one.
You have the Level, the Beats and then volume.
I mean, if someone was honest about it,
we'd get a bass line, the bass line of headphones.
That's taking it to a whole new level.
Wait, no, we already used that one.
Damn it.
In-bass, out-bass.
My wife has a pair of Beats headphones and honestly-
Why, why, why, why, why?
Hold on, hold on.
I literally, they were a $300 pair of headphones
and I bought them off my friend that was pissed off at them
for like 20 bucks and they're active noise canceling
and that's all I like them for.
You put them on, you flip the little button,
the entire world disappears.
I don't even plug the jack into anything.
Okay, well you're using them right, so I'll give you that.
I use them for mowing the lawn.
The best would be if he had like in-ears that he wore
and then he put those over top.
Like you see gamers do every once in a while.
So he's like, yeah, I listen to the music on these.
They're like nice IEA dudes or something
and then I use the Beats, which costs like 20 bucks
for noise canceling.
That'd be funny, you put the in-ear monitors on,
you just put the headphones over the top of them,
everything, you're like, yeah, check out my Beats guys,
you're all listening to something way better underneath.
That's doing it right.
I don't know if that makes it better or worse because-
I'd be cool in school yet still popular with headphones.
I'd be cool in school, but still use good headphones.
Yeah, exactly.
Do you guys remember the headphones
that had the bass transducers in them?
Cause they couldn't put good enough speakers in them
to actually create bass so they would just shake your head.
No.
Oh, I have used a gaming headset that has a similar thing
where it's like-
The vibrating thing?
Yeah, that vibrate.
Did you ever try those?
Yeah.
They suck.
I had one, I think it was like the Ben Heck 5.1's
or something from some company.
And I remember if you cranked them up all the way,
it would blur your vision.
They shook so hard on your head.
It would just seriously screw with your vision
and make your jaw hurt.
And I was like, why is this a good thing?
You know that list that you've gotten me to get
of all the different things
that I wanna try and get us to sample?
One of the things is a bass enhancing vest.
Oh, that's cool though.
That actually sounds kinda cool.
That's cool.
It's like a chess piece thing that you wear.
Yeah.
And it pulses whenever bass goes up.
That sounds pretty bad ass actually.
There's one that electrocutes you
and there's one that actually has the audio transducers
that just shake.
I'm not the one that electrocutes you.
That would be cool.
The little muscle contractors.
That would be awesome.
Like a seizure on the ground
while you're trying to listen to music.
This is awesome.
Somebody shoots you in cotton,
you go flip it off your desk
and actually just bite your head and knock yourself out.
No, it's not like a damage vest for games.
It literally just goes along with the music.
Now that'd be weird.
It's like it's supposed to try and simulate
the feeling you get when you're in a concert hall.
Yeah.
Where like it actually shakes you.
It's supposed to try and replicate that.
I mean, I've got an audio transducer on my seat right now
that shakes.
I don't have it turned on right now
because I don't want Linus vibrating my ass.
You guys understand.
But I do have one and I do like the sensation of,
it makes your, I don't know, it's weird.
You can feel the bass.
So it kind of tricks you
and it feels like you're hearing a deeper bass.
It does, the effect works.
It's believable.
If you put on a crappy pair of headphones,
it feels like you can hear deeper bass,
even though it's just the vibration.
It's hard to explain, but it's weird.
It works.
Speaking of a crappy pair of headphones,
Nvidia Shield tablet doesn't come with headphones at all.
So the original.
This is the worst.
The original poster on the forum was Sharif.
And basically all I can say, aside from that, I do have one.
So I can't say anything about my experiences with it.
This isn't a review,
but all I can say is what Nvidia has said publicly.
So it's gonna have a Tegra K1 processor.
That's two, or that's rather four, 2.2 gigahertz,
ARM Cortex-A15 cores.
It's got two gigs of RAM.
It's got a Kepler GPU with 192 cores.
Remember guys, this is the same technology scaled down
as what you'll find in a Titan,
which Nvidia is very fond of telling people.
Does that make it as powerful as a Titan?
No.
Does it burn your hands if you play any more than 15 minutes?
The rocket kit that we have on the main floor
has the same technology, but scaled down of a spaceship.
Yeah, that's true.
So in much the same way as that,
but what it does mean is in terms of API support,
it is able to do a lot more than other mobile gaming chips.
So in terms of effects,
and in terms of taking advantage of work
that Nvidia is already doing on the desktop like Gameworks,
this is stuff that might not be that significant today
because the latest games, let's say Battlefield 4,
you're not gonna run that on this.
That's not happening.
But the fact that Nvidia is moving their desktop technology
into this form factor means a generation or two
down the road, you might be running Battlefield 4
on Nvidia Shield Tablet 3 or something like that.
Because there's no reason that it's not capable
of being ported to it.
So that's really cool.
That's what I like about that.
It's got an eight inch 1920 by 1200 display.
It's got front facing stereo speakers
with dual base reflex ports.
It's got a mic.
It's got a 32 gig configuration that's available
with LTE or a 16 gig wifi only.
They sampled the 16 gig version,
so I won't be commenting on LTE performance.
Five megapixel camera.
It's got the new Direct Stylus 2 GPU accelerated stylus
that actually seems to work pretty well so far
from just dinking around with it.
And of course it supports Game Stream,
which is gaming on your PC but on your tablet.
With now a bigger screen, you can stream to Twitch,
which is pretty cool natively.
So you can just stream playing Android games to Twitch
on your tablet.
So you can just use the built in camera right there.
Go ahead and stream that baby to Twitch.
And then I think the big thing here for me
is the shield controller.
So it binds using wifi direct,
which is Nvidia says very, very low latency.
And you play games by putting this on the stand
and then playing the game on the controller.
Now that's cool.
I like that.
I'd like to hear actually, okay, good.
Because I was about to ask you,
Barnacles, do you have a shield portable?
I do have a shield.
I don't have that though.
Oh wait, nevermind right here.
Oh wait, no, that's a Nexus 7, nevermind.
No, do you have the handheld?
No, I don't.
I didn't even know they have that.
What?
No, seriously, I didn't.
I have a shield, I don't have that.
That's what he's talking about.
Yeah, yeah, the original shield.
No, I have the original shield.
Yeah, yeah, good, okay.
That's called shield portable now.
They changed the name.
Oh, now they're gonna call that shield portable.
Because tablets are not portable.
Just calm yourself.
Not.
Okay, so you have a shield portable.
So give me your thoughts.
Having the controller be a separate piece from the screen,
does this still make sense to you?
No, I'd want it to be a separate part.
Like if I had the option,
I would absolutely want it to be a separate part.
Why?
I wanna use the damn thing as a tablet
when I wanna use a tablet
and I don't want a giant ass controller in the way.
Every time I try to use Twitter or Facebook
with my old Nvidia shield,
it's like I'm holding an entire other object
I'm not using and it drives me nuts.
It is weird if you try and use it
for anything other than gaming at all.
Exactly.
Gaming and movie watching.
But I think that they should be separate
but have a way to be put together.
I think that separate controllers
should have like a dock on it.
That would be cool.
It would be a little bit heavy.
Because that was one of the first things
that I kind of thought about.
And I was like, yeah, but would you,
okay, so you have a Nexus 7.
Would you want a Nexus 7 mounted
to an Xbox 360 controller, really?
Well, actually, yeah, because I did at one point
3D print a thing that held this on a 360 controller
and I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
But then again, I'm not actually using it anymore.
So maybe it wasn't the coolest thing ever.
Well, we did up a ghetto shield as well
and we thought it was the coolest thing ever
but then I don't think either of us ever ended up
actually sitting and playing a game on it.
So it's one of those things where it's like.
Oh, you know what a shield is good for though?
I found a really cool use for a shield.
The Parrot AR drone, the little quadrocopter thing.
You can fly that with the shield
and watch in real time while you're flying it.
You can fly it around corners and stuff.
It's actually really cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.
I think that's it.
Do we have anything else for today?
I think we've already run a little late.
I had one other thing that was in the.
Square Enix?
Yeah, nah, not really.
They're being different.
Dell now accepts Bitcoin.
Square Enix is being buttholes,
although they're perfectly within their rights legally
to take down a fan translation for Final Fantasy Type-0.
Still buttholes.
It's just one of those things where it's like,
yes, they're within their rights.
Yes, I totally get it
because they are localizing it for the HD remake,
but it's one of those things where it's like Square Enix,
are you in a position where you need to be making yourself
less popular with your fans?
If you play a game dev tycoon,
there's a point in the game where you get an option
and it's, I don't remember exactly what it is,
but it's like fans are trying to do something
with your game or whatever.
And do you throw lawyers at them
or do you just let them do it?
And I don't remember what the reward is,
but if you just let them do it,
you gain a whole bunch of fans.
What is with companies like alienating fans?
Like Nintendo seems to be pretty hardcore about that now
with the whole taking down videos on YouTube
and stuff like that.
Nintendo has, they're starting to work with people.
They are actually starting to maybe solve that problem.
But like in Square Enix's site,
like if they just backed them,
they wouldn't even have to do it that much.
Imagine the amount of press that they would have got
for supporting a fan remake.
And imagine the amount of like fans and support
they would have got for doing that
compared to the other way around.
So I think they're just used to having so many fans
that will blindly buy the next game
that they don't even need it.
But that seems to be going on.
I know, I didn't say they were still in that position.
If anything, I would say they are not no any longer,
at this point in time in that position.
Sentence.
Yeah, well that was for Emphasis.
But I put it on the wrong syllable.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, no, there's nothing else
I really think should be brought up.
LG's doing good at selling phones
and that sucks because they're evil.
Really?
Evil?
LG's evil?
Well, their privacy policy is like not very enlightened.
Like have you ever had a look at-
Privacy, what is this?
I've never heard of this privacy thing.
What?
We live in America, we don't know what privacy is.
America.
Merka.
Americana sake.
Yeah, fair enough.
I mean, the reality of it is,
it's not like they're the only ones doing it
with the TV thing.
They're just the ones that made headlines.
But they're doing it in a pretty brutal way.
I know, I know, I know.
That doesn't change the fact
that you're probably gonna get an LG phone.
The reason why I haven't gotten it yet
is because I'm still conflicted.
Oh yeah, what phone should I get now, guys?
I'm thinking about selling this one.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Awkward.
Oh my gosh.
All right, so I think the last thing left then
is Jerry, tell everyone where to find you
so that they can go support you being on your own
and being independent, strong independent women like me.
I'm officially poor people now, guys,
so I need your support.
And I'm over at the wwws.barnnerd,
yeah, the barn, like where the cows are, nerd.com.
And that's where I'm gonna be living
the rest of my life, probably.
That's where he's gonna make C and C++ videos.
I'm gonna make C sharp and maybe some C and C++ videos.
And if I'm really gonna be masochistic,
I'll make some batch file tutorials.
Oh, that would actually be really cool.
Because I think you guys would love
how to make like little destructive batch files
that delete your Windows directory
and piss you off really, really bad.
I'm just kidding, I won't do that.
I would never do that.
All right, thanks guys for tuning in to the WAN Show.
Thanks to our guest, Barnacles, for joining us
and his little friend down there.
And I think that pretty much does it.
We'll see you again, same bad time, same bad channel.
We'll see you next week.
Peace out.
Bye, everyone.
Peace.
Oh, my God.
Got a cookie.
And that's cool.
Dang it.
There.