What is up everyone, and welcome to the WEN Show!
We've got a lot of great topics for you today, starting with the passing of controversial
Bill C-11 here in Canada, or should I call it Canuckistan.
I mean, I've heard people call it worse, especially people who are not in Canada and don't really
understand what being in Canada is all about.
But that doesn't mean that C-11 isn't a cause for concern, we're going to be talking about
that.
Also a cause for concern, AMD's Ryzen X3D CPUs have been dying, though they've apparently
rolled out a fix now, so we're going to get you guys the update on what's going on with
that.
What else we got?
I'm looking for stuff.
But you don't want to talk about dead Chromebooks?
Oh, sure.
You don't want to talk about my impending cosmetic procedure?
Deep laptops die, and are annoying to repair.
I mean, yeah!
More at 11.
Impending cosmetic procedure?
What?
Well, let's just leave it there.
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All right, let's jump right into, obviously, the big topic of the week.
Should we just abandon our Canadian roots, make the long trek, 36 minutes to the southern
border, and join one of our former colleagues down in Americanville?
Former colleagues?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jono moved down there.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Jon, and I was like, he's not a former colleague.
He still works here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, well, not here, here, but here, here, you know?
Yeah, yeah, the greater here.
Let's talk about why this is even a topic of conversation.
Bill C-11 has been passed into Canadian law as the Online Streaming Act after two and
a half years of debate, a debate that I actually did get involved in at one point, back when
it was known as C-10, making my way all the way to the assistant deputy minister.
No, I think it was the deputy minister of whoever was actually working on this.
I can't remember.
It's actually been quite a while.
I remember being on the set of one of our early car videos, might have been the Model
Y video or something like that, and I had this call on the racetrack with this deputy
minister or whatever, and it became very clear to me at that time that, well, okay, this
won't be a surprise to anyone, but it became very clear to me that the whole thing was
political, had nothing to do with actually protecting creators, however they were trying
to sell it, and at the end of the day was about figuring out a way to extract money
from online streaming platforms, and then, as far as I could tell, waste it.
I have a lot of thoughts based on my experience, both with Canadian production services tax
credits as well as just generally interfacing with the government of Canada, and as far
as I can tell, most of the funding exists only for entities that are so large and well
established that they can afford both the time and money to cut through the bureaucracy
and therefore don't need it.
It's a lot of work.
The companies that I know that capture it very effectively have dedicated employees
that are there to capture it.
Yeah, which is like, oh man, not the point.
Not the point.
Yeah.
Anywho, let's go back to the talking points, shall we?
Originally known as Bill C-10, the act allows the Canadian government to impose regulations
on streaming platforms like Netflix and Spotify as well as social platforms like YouTube,
Facebook, and TikTok through the Canadian Radio, Television, and Telecommunications
Commission or the CRTC.
Proponents say, so these would be supporters, that C-11 simply brings online platforms under
the same kind of rules that have applied to traditional broadcasters for decades, requiring
them to promote Canadian content and contribute financially to Canadian content production.
But critics, including many Canadian content creators like Rene Ritchie, some ordinary
gamers, call me Chris, and J.G.
are worried that the law could affect content that's made by influencers slash content creators
like independent creators, since the act will likely force platforms to change their recommendation
algorithms to serve Canadian users more can-con or Canadian content.
And this is a very real concern, not just because of the moves the Canadian government
is making, but because of what I fear an entity like Google might do to retaliate.
So let's, and you know what, this is a tough one for me to approach because these are all
private conversations, but, and no one said anything to me directly because that would
have been insane, but I will tell you from conversations I have participated in, whether
directly or observationally, that Google's not happy about any of this.
And that if they are forced to alter the way that they serve content to Canadian viewers,
they might, you know, you never know something might happen to the way that content from
Canadian creators gets served outside of Canada.
Yeah, like it sounds all neat for Canadian creators when you hear what Canada wants,
but when you think about how anybody's going to react to it, your algorithmic priority
outside of Canada is going to be damaged because of your algorithmic priority inside of Canada.
Potentially, potentially.
I'd say, I have been in none of these conversations, so I would say probably, but I have no idea.
Well, see, the thing is, even if Google decided, you know what, forget it, what's the point
of being petty and spiteful here?
If LTT's viewership is 6% within Canada, why would we want this to have any impact
on their ability to, for their content to propagate outside of Canada?
Why are we depriving other users of this content?
That's, I mean, that's ridiculous, but hold on a second.
If the Canadian government passes this law, which they now have, and decides to actually
do something with it, which at this point is still very unclear, actually, well, they
probably won't be the last.
I mean, if I'm Turkey or Japan or anywhere, really, anywhere that's more of a, okay, I
shouldn't have said Japan then, but anywhere that's more of a cultural importer rather
than exporter, and I'm anywhere that I want to protect my local production industry, well,
I'm looking at this going, oh, okay, so you actually can just tell big tech, no, you may
not have a closed black box algorithm that just kind of recommends whatever and doesn't
promote local or at least within arbitrary geographical boundary X content.
And so ultimately, the impact could end up coming for us not because of Canada's first
move on this, but because of the other dominoes that may ultimately fall over the next two
or five or ten or twenty-five years or whatever that timeframe ends up looking like.
Let's continue here, though.
The government has said, the Canadian government, to be clear, has said that the act is not
meant, this is italicized, thank you, Wan Show Writer, to affect user-generated content.
So it theoretically shouldn't affect someone like Call Me Chris, but then in spite of them
saying that, they rejected multiple amendments that would have specified that in the law.
So as it is now, it's pretty much just left to the CRTC to decide how to enforce this,
and if they do ultimately go that route with it, well, that's within their power.
So the law was designed to give the CRTC as broad powers as they were able to get pushed
through over the last two and a half years.
And as an independent content creator that more and more, at least according to many
of you, is basically a corporate media machine, I have no idea where I fall in this.
How does Linus Media Group Incorporated figure into this?
Am I an independent content creator or am I a media corporation?
Both?
Both is good.
Yeah, I don't know.
Right?
Okay, so let's keep moving on.
One uncontroversial effect of the law could be the widening though of the definition of
what legally constitutes Canadian content.
Heritage Minister Pablo Rodriguez is reportedly likely to ask the CRTC to include content
such as Pixar's Turning Red, which is an American movie, right, produced by an American company,
but written by a Canadian, set in Toronto, and produced by a partially Canadian crew,
and also HBO's The Handmaid's Tale, which is an American show set partially in Canada
and based on books by a Canadian author with a partially Canadian crew.
Neither of those would qualify under the current CanCon rules.
What's really stupid about the current CanCon rules is how difficult it is to prove it.
This is ridiculous.
What is a Canadian certification?
Minimum of 75% of program expenses, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, what is the point system?
Okay, so the director gives you two points.
DP gives you one point.
I mean, or two points, depending on what kind you're talking about.
But the director of photography gives you one point.
There's some special rules.
The point is, just like the single point, the government hasn't been super clear
about how this is going to work because they aren't the ones making the actual rules.
That's the job of the CRTC, who are going to take consultation for 30 days,
at least, before publishing a draft.
So our discussion questions are as follows.
Oh, this is fun.
How will the government force platforms to finance Canadian content?
I mean, that's a really interesting one because so far, if Google simply says,
well, I'm not going to pay, I don't think that the Canadian government has shown any inclination
to simply block Google services within the borders.
That would be so incredibly destructive.
Yeah, that would be pretty bad and pretty stupid.
However, again, this is from my conversations that I've witnessed slash been a part of.
It is my understanding that Google intends to comply with whatever law ultimately ends up happening.
So C11, they intend to comply with C11, so I guess, you know, that's not a probable outcome.
So then what will that look like?
Is it potentially a good thing that we could get more because, okay, if they have to alter the algorithm,
they have to somehow demonstrate that they're altering the algorithm.
They have to be more transparent about how it works.
Does that have a potential small upside here for everyone?
And the thing that I don't really understand is, like, if I go to YouTube,
I wonder if this is going to happen here because it's logged into a different account.
It did not happen here.
And I don't know if this is because I click on this content sometimes or what,
but when I go on my personal YouTube, it's never at the top, but if I scroll down a little bit,
there's like a what's going on in Canada section already.
Like, I don't know.
I know that that was one of the solutions that Google had proposed was, like,
a non-algorithmic solution where they occupy a certain amount of screen space.
Like, that happens to my personal account for sure.
It is almost always, like, government news.
Like, Trudeau's face is all over it, like, over half the content, I swear.
I don't get, like, random...
Canadian, Canadian, Canadian.
Less Canadian, but okay guy.
I mean, this is probably just because I'm signed in as me, so it's just all our accounts
because I don't really watch a lot of YouTube.
All right.
Well, why don't I try an incognito tab then?
Not that that's necessarily going to make much difference, but...
Yeah, I've got someone at Floatplane Chat saying they get the same thing in the UK.
So this is definitely a thing.
Yeah, okay.
It might not be all users.
It might only be users that interact with it when shown.
Like, I don't exactly know how it works.
But this is a system that they already have to a certain degree.
Interesting.
Yeah, no, I don't see anything here.
Maybe it's just because I'm not signed in at all?
Yeah, if you're not like this, this one is signed into, like, the WAN Show email thing
that we set up, and I don't have it at all here.
I just have it on, and I don't know that I've seen it on my work account.
I just know that I've seen it on my personal account.
So I'm not sure.
Yeah, there's a few other people saying that they get the same thing.
Someone's saying that they get the same thing in the US even.
So this is definitely a thing.
I don't know that everyone gets it.
Yeah, someone's saying it in Chicago, same as the US.
Another person's saying they've never seen it in the US.
I don't know who all has access to it, but this is definitely something that they've
experimented with, and that's enough in my opinion.
Like, it would be cool if they mixed in content creators from that area instead of
just, like, government news.
Yeah.
Because right now it's just like Trudeau seven times, and then you can scroll to the
right to see if there's more.
But it would be cool if it was like, yeah, maybe one or two, like,
what's happening in my country?
I'm not against that.
But then some other content creators spat it in would be kind of neat.
Yeah, I think a local tab would be a positive thing for the platform.
Honestly, like, the fact that local news is basically dead at this point between the
decline of newspapers and the consolidation of local TV stations...
It makes it kind of hard to figure out what the heck's going on around you sometimes.
Yeah, that's a bad thing.
I mean, so what, I just rely entirely on r slash Vancouver?
Yeah, like, that sucks.
I'm not going to join a Facebook group.
That is an option.
Like, Yvonne's in, like, the, you know, the neighborhood Facebook group and just, like, okay.
On the one hand, I'm saying, look, more local content, definitely a good thing.
On the other hand, I don't need to know that there's a raccoon in your yard.
It's like the level of granularity.
Yeah, I just, I wish there was a bit of vetting before it hits my eyeballs.
Yeah, yeah.
Could anyone else possibly be interested in this?
No? Okay, maybe not then.
Yeah, so, like, having options like that is cool, but changing the general algorithm?
Like, no, I don't want that.
What if I am specifically into scientific stuff?
Japanese culture.
Sure, yeah.
Something.
I don't need videos on Japanese culture only from, like, Canadian creators.
Yeah, probably not.
Why would I care if that's what I was coming here for?
So, I guess you have already really given me your thoughts then on our second discussion question,
which is how do you feel about CanCon in general?
Do you think Canada should attempt to protect its culture from the evil Americans?
And I put that in finger quotes because in Canada, there is a pretty big perception that
culturally, we're pretty much just like America's hat.
Yeah, we don't really have our own.
Yeah, we have a lot of, you know, cultural imports and very few cultural exports.
Like, it's mostly things that people meme on.
It's like, oh.
Tim Hortons was ruined.
Maple syrup.
Yeah.
And hockey, you know.
Hey, those are pretty good.
Look, maple syrup.
The ones we got are pretty solid.
Curling, all right.
Yeah.
It's not like we're complaining about the things that are uniquely Canadian.
But we are largely a culture importer for sure.
But.
A lot of our like actors, actresses, musicians, stuff like that end up going down to the States
and being perceived as American creators.
And yeah, like if I would like, like you said, a local tab or like below my main boxes,
like a bar that has local content, that'd be cool.
But that's it.
I don't want any more than that.
And like, you know, if you want to talk about, you know, influences during your formative
years, I guarantee you a lot more young kids in Canada watched Friends than Kim's Convenience.
Right.
Like it's.
Kim's Convenience is great though.
Sure.
But like I found it wasn't hard for me to find.
I didn't go looking for, I'm sure it wasn't influenced by this because this didn't exist yet.
I think a big problem for me too is what exactly constitutes Canadian content.
Because even if we ignore the heavy cultural imports, like you alluded to already,
Canada is such a mixing pot, at least in the urban centers, which is the vast majority
of the population here, that Canadian content could be basically anything because it's
defined by your citizenship.
So if you have a Canadian citizenship, then okay, it's Canadian content now, but it's
like, well, what do you, what even is that?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's a funny thing.
The whole, the whole sort of cultural pride thing is something that I observe in foreigners
a lot, but not something that I can really relate to.
You know, okay.
On the subject of our, of our friend, John, who still works for us.
Yes.
But he's based down in one of the Carolinas.
I know which one.
I'm just not saying which one.
I have no idea how.
Don't need to narrow it down more than that.
Yeah.
I don't need to narrow it down more than that.
Over there.
I think he's pretty public about where he lives, but I don't feel like checking right now.
It's fine.
Anyway, the point is he's over on the east, in the east in the US.
And like, you know, for him, it's, it's a, it's often a source of like great pride that
a particular hot sauce or whatever was, was teams.
Yeah.
Sports teams.
I mean, sports teams, I want to sort of get to that later because sports teams, I think
are sort of universal, at least in North America.
I think people form relationships with regional sports teams, but for me, the big one was,
you know, monuments or, or people that came from the same school.
Like he would feel a sense of personal pride or a sense of personal shame when people from
his, from his post-secondary institution went on to do great things or very terrible things.
Right.
And that's something that, I don't know, maybe it's because I don't really know anything
about my own heritage that I've just never been able to relate to.
I don't, I don't get it.
We did a really intensely bad job of this before this bill.
And this bill is not going to help.
Like if you were trying to foster Canadian heritage, this is not the way to do it.
And I mean, honestly, I don't think anyone thinks it will.
Not really.
As far as I could tell, you know, the justifications that were provided to me and,
and they, they were extremely, you know, well articulated, but if you got even past the
very, very, very skimming top skin of the surface, didn't make any sense.
It's like, well, you know, how are we going to make sure that Canadian stories get told?
And I'm sitting here going, well, I don't know, you could tell Canadians to pick up
a cell phone and tell their story.
And if anyone wants to hear it, if it's an interesting story, then you know what's great
about the internet, the way that it is right now, without you mucking around with it, is
that they can tell that story and anyone, be they Canadian or American or.
Letterkenny and Shorzy are both intensely Canadian.
That's a joke, by the way.
I know, I know, I know you guys haven't succeeded yet.
Lone star.
Letterkenny and Shorzy are both intensely Canadian pieces of content.
Yeah.
Amazingly good.
The language and stuff gets pretty intense.
I could be talking to kids.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend that you watch it.
If you're an adult though, it's fantastic content.
And it's popular outside of Canada.
And it like really displays a lot of like intensely Canadian culture.
So that's, it's great.
It's made very well.
And it went very far and it's still continuing to go very far with Shorzy.
It's possible.
We do it.
Things happen.
Yeah.
And I mean, I guess for me, like, you know, part of my part of my cynicism comes from
how difficult it was to actually get funding as a small time creator.
So when the justification given to me is like, well, how do we fund uniquely Canadian stories?
Like one of the examples given to me.
I just want to interject because the way that you said it made it sound like it's no longer difficult.
Oh yeah.
It's still very difficult.
Yeah.
Are we still waiting for stuff from like years ago?
2019 or something like that.
Yeah.
Like pandemic was over a while ago.
Like that, that type of funding timeline.
I mean, sorry, sorry, excuse me.
Pandemic was over a while ago.
Yeah.
That cultural influence from the South has taken over.
We're already moving.
We're out the door.
We'll be there in a minute, America.
But those funding timelines don't work if you're not 100% funding yourself already.
Yeah.
So like, what a failure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, you know, the example, one of the examples that was given to me of, you know,
the kind of story that could be told because I challenged that, right?
I went, well, what story?
What story is not told right now?
I'm like, oh, well, you know, what about the story of an anglophone?
That means an English speaker, an anglophone living in an all French community.
What about it?
So tell that story.
And then when nobody fucking cares, then we can all move on with our day.
If you have some way of making it funny or very well written or something, which is possible,
then you'll find success.
I don't do well.
And maybe this is just like, what's it called?
Survivorship bias or something like that.
Survivorship bias.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Survivorship bias is a type of sample selection bias that occurs when an individual mistakes
a visible successful subgroup as the entire group.
So sure, I definitely experienced survivorship bias because I did make it through the gauntlet
of breaking out on social media, right?
And so I'm looking at it going, well, if you keep pounding your fists at that wall long
enough, eventually you could break it down.
But maybe that's not true and maybe that's not fair and maybe that story does need to
be told.
But then my question, you know, so my rebuttal to that is, is it really being told if you
create the content, so you throw money at this thing and then 46 people watch it?
Yeah.
Cause like it'll show up in people's algorithms, but how these platforms work, you don't have
to watch that thing.
Yes.
You would have to click on it to watch it.
So it's just not going to get clicked on.
So they're treating this like TV where the audience is captive to a degree, but that's
not the case.
You still don't have to click on things.
And it comes down to that age-old philosophical debate.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound, right?
I would make the argument that a story told in an empty room in the dark has not been
told.
It's just been conceived of, you know, like it's not, is it a story if it's not passed
along to anybody?
The empty room in the dark thing doesn't really work, but I do agree with the, you can definitely
tell stories.
I was just trying to, I was trying to paint a lonely picture.
There's no microphone.
It's not a sleepover.
The room is empty.
It's dark.
There's no lights even.
Okay.
Because the energy could be converted to matter.
It's fully empty.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't see necessarily a lot of, or any value to that because like we, we know how
brutal it is to try to get clicked on.
Right.
I know.
So like, so I'm not against funding Canadian content.
I just don't want it funded because it's Canadian content.
I want it funded because it's good.
Like it's the same way.
Like, man, I see, I see a lot of people, you know, challenge me because generally speaking
I am, I am pro, I am pro societal good.
I don't mind paying my taxes.
Right.
And people will challenge me on that and go, well, yeah, but what about government waste?
What about it?
Yeah, it fucking sucks.
Not into it.
Even a little.
Like I spend my life trying to make things efficient around me.
And the fact that an entire sort of subclass of, of, of, of citizens exists to utilize
my money in a way that's not efficient.
Is it's bullshit, right?
Obviously.
But the flip side of that is that I also do run a company now that is small or medium,
depending on how you measure it.
And I understand that when you scale past a certain point, bureaucracy is unavoidable.
Waste is just a fact of life.
And so I don't know, I'm, I'm split because I do need roads to drive on.
I do need hospitals to visit.
I do need an education system for my kids to participate in.
Right.
Like there are, there are actual greater good benefits that taxes do allow for.
But yeah, that doesn't mean that I'm not mad when it gets wasted.
And this is one of those cases where I look at it and I go, all right, well, I mean, you
like had this money.
And as far as I can tell, a lot of it gets wasted either on like as a, as a subsidy for
foreign companies, you know, like it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me how much
animation takes place in Canada, for example, and how few Canadian media companies
there are.
Yeah.
Why, why, why are they, why are they all just working for American companies?
So it seems to me that there are systemic problems that need to be solved before you
just go grab more cash from online streaming platforms and then sort of vaguely have
some idea of how you're going to use it to something, something Canadian story,
something like, I don't know, man.
Frustrated.
Yes.
Yeah.
Frustrated.
Frustrated enough to actually, you know, pick up and leave.
Honestly, no.
Like it's so incredibly difficult at this point.
So there's that.
And you know, honestly speaking, how does, how does the old biblical thing go?
Worry not about the splinter in your neighbor's eye until you've removed the two
by four from your own or something like that.
Like if, if, if, if, as an American, you are outraged by how ridiculous the C11
thing looks, you know, it's not perfect anywhere.
There's always stuff going on.
Is what I'm kind of trying to say.
And overall, the perception that a lot of consumers of American, particularly
American media seem to have of Canada is just simply not correct.
Not even close.
Like there's, there's, I, I often see comments about, you know, what life must
be like in the Canadian, you know, societal hellhole.
And it's, it's a particular.
I think this is true about like basically everywhere though.
No, not really.
I don't see it from a lot of Europeans.
And it's not that they're not talking to me.
Like I, I, I, I read.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
No, what I, what I meant is that like if you, if you watch media or like news from
a certain country that when you show up, it's different than what you might've
expected.
No, it's just that there are, there are some types of American media and there's
some consumers of American media, certain types of American media that seem to be
under the impression that Canada is some kind of dystopian hellscape.
It's pretty chill.
And it's.
There's things I could complain about for days, but.
Absolutely.
It's pretty chill overall.
Yeah.
Um, a lot of questions here.
I mean, we've got Danger Wolf asking, would you consider creating an American
branch of LMG even if LMG remains based in Canada?
Why would I do that?
Now I get to deal with the broken ass American tax system on top of the broken
ass Canadian tax system.
Super fun.
Incredibly fun.
How about no.
Sorry.
Sorry.
In Canada, we don't have guns, so I need, how about no.
By the way, we do have a lot of guns.
I don't personally actually, but Colton does, which is why we've never actually
fired him.
There was, there was quite a few years ago, there was a point in time where the
like firearms per capita in Canada was like very, very high.
But it was a lot of.
Yeah.
I'm not even gonna get into it, but yeah.
Floatplane chat, finger knife.
I'll get you.
Hey, from within, what is it?
Six feet, eight feet or something like that.
Knife's more lethal than a gun.
Whatever that conventional wisdom is.
Why don't we roll into our next topic?
AMD is rolling out a fix for burnt Ryzen X3D CPUs.
Let's go ahead and pop this up here.
This is originally covered by extreme tech, I think.
Well, maybe not originally, but they're one of the sources we've got.
Oh, and on tech has covered this as well.
All right.
So here you go.
This is a good look at the picture here.
Whew, yikes.
That's a spicy CPU socket right here.
AMD released an official statement.
Thanks, Gavin.
We have root caused the issue and have already distributed a new
AGISA that puts measures in place on certain power rails on AM5
motherboards to prevent the CPU from operating beyond its
specification limits, including a cap on SOC voltage at 1.3 volts.
This doesn't affect their ability to overclock memory using
XBO-XMP kits or boost performance using PBO technology.
They are expecting this fix to roll out through all of their
board partners and blah, blah, blah.
Apparently, ASUS and MSI had already implemented their own
fixes prior to AMD and had suggested that excessive voltages
in XBO memory profiles had allowed the SOC voltage to reach
unsafe levels.
They did not clarify if there were any other issues that they
found or whether non-X3D processors were also at risk,
but I would be kind of surprised if they were.
They've been out there for quite a lot longer at this point
and they draw quite a lot more power.
So if you're running at the same voltages or higher in some
cases and you're drawing more current, I really don't see how
we wouldn't have noticed this at some point.
Steve from GamersNexus has apparently acquired SpeedRookie.
That's the username of the owner of that CPU.
SpeedRookie's CPU and motherboard, so maybe there will be
some kind of further insight, but if AMD has got this nailed
down and they're not just issuing a denial, then it seems
like it's probably solved at this point.
I mean, that definitely looks like power got out of hand.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not an electronics engineer.
So Dan's holding his phone like this, which is a car key.
I see.
Hello, wife.
Do you want to say hi to the man show?
She shrugged.
I think that means yes.
At least that's how I interpret it late at night.
If you know what I mean.
I mean, what kind of ascent?
Anywho.
Bye.
See ya.
Riley is adding a discussion question right now.
Riley go home.
Work day's over.
But asks, has more hardware been failing recently than used
to be the norm, or is this kind of thing more normal than
it seems to me?
I mean, CPU's failing?
Yeah, that's pretty abnormal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hardware in general, I would say probably no, to be honest,
but CPU's yes.
Yeah.
If anything, I would say the designs for motherboards these
days are far more robust than what we used to have in the
past with like electrolytic capacitors and stuff like that.
Liquid caps were, that was fun.
At least for enthusiasts, the emphasis that gets placed on
cooling these days by manufacturers, I think that while
they're certainly pumping more power through these things,
there's a lot more heat output.
Yeah.
There's a lot more attentiveness to keeping things cool
and maintaining the longevity of these devices.
Like as a whole, the industry has learned a lot about the
doodads and gizmos that they're playing around with, right?
And if you're a manufacturer, you do not want a failure,
at least not within the one to three years that most of
them offer a warranty on their products.
So, I mean, with that said, I'm not saying that mistakes
ever get made.
I'm not saying mistakes never get made.
You ask someone like a Louis Rossman about Macbooks and
he'll tell you all about design flaws for days or whatever,
but overall, I can't say that I've, I can't say that it
seems any worse to me.
Yeah.
Like we said, kind of at the beginning, probably not worse
overall, but it is surprising for it to hit CPU.
CPUs have always kind of been the rock solid piece of
hardware in your computer.
Go through multiple boards for one extremely long-term
CPU sometimes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I feel like woefully unreliable stuff was way more
common back then.
Like think about the early 680i motherboards.
Remember those?
They were awful.
They failed all over the place.
Everybody knew it.
I haven't seen just a known bad part like that.
In a long time.
Yeah.
I feel like we might've, we might've had like a few years
there where it was abnormally low and we might be coming
back out of that.
And that might be why he's feeling it more, but it was
definitely like, yeah, it was definitely pretty freaking
bad.
Yeah.
Floatplane chat shout out OCZ.
Yeah.
I mean their memory modules would just drop dead
spontaneously because Ram used to like, one of the first
things I would check with diagnosing computers was does
it have liquid caps?
And then if there's a problem, does it have liquid caps?
No.
Okay.
Is the Ram dead?
Like, and OCZ would literally create kits of what was
called UTT memory.
Okay.
Which is short for untested.
They would, they would have these UTT memory kits.
They would sell them at like these insane speeds and really
low latencies and high voltages.
And I think they were just playing a numbers game where
they bought this cheap bargain memory, basically went,
yeah, if anything goes wrong with it, lifetime warranty,
we got you.
And then they just counted on few enough of the buyers
actually running those volts through them.
And in the event that they did few enough of them
bothering to RMA it because you know what, realistically,
what do I really even want a replacement for this?
Or because the technology industry was moving so fast,
would I rather just upgrade to something else at this
point anyway?
You know what?
Forget it.
I think, I think that was the entire basis of their company.
Yeah.
I mean, I...
Agility SSDs anyone?
You know, what's funny is some of that, that model where
they just buy all this like trash.
Sometimes some of it works for a really long time.
I was going to say, so I was actually the product manager
for OCC at NCIX for a short period of time.
And their RAM was fine in those days, other than the very
high spec stuff, other than the very high spec DDR2,
but that could have easily been down to the memory controllers,
just not being able to handle it because it was early days
of DDR2.
And it was rough.
I don't think we've had a worse transition than the one
from DDR1 to DDR2, at least not since then anyway.
Yeah, DDR3 is kind of rough.
Anyway, the point is their RAM was actually mostly pretty
good in those days.
And depending on the batch, the SSDs were actually
super reliable.
We had this, we, back in the day, had this green
OCC Agility 3.
I just looked it up to make sure that I was right.
And that thing went through.
Probably years and years.
A ton of junk over a lot of years.
Except when they had bad batches.
Yeah, this is what I'm saying.
Because that's the thing is...
It was this gamble.
...is bad QC is not always a problem.
It doesn't mean bad product.
It's only a problem when you don't catch something.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
So this is why...
Okay, so we used to do these factory tours and we would
often get pushback when we would try to show their failures.
Because they would have like, oh, a failure bin or whatever,
where something didn't work out.
Sennheiser was super mad.
They didn't want us to show it was failed drivers for the
HD800.
Yeah.
And we were like, no, this is a good story because this
shows you're not going to ship them.
Yes.
Oh man, we had to twist their arms so hard.
Like, I don't like profiling, but Germans, okay?
German perfection.
There's a sense of, you know, again, this is something I just
like, I can't relate to, right?
But there's this like cultural sense of pride in German
craftsmanship, right?
So they didn't want to show that there could be a flaw.
And I'm sitting here going, no, no, no, no.
This is a story about painstakingly thorough German
quality control.
It doesn't have to be a story about make it right the first
time every time.
Yeah, like we were trying to show that it was cool that this
happened.
We weren't trying to dog on them, but it took some convincing.
I think eventually...
They did.
Yeah.
We did end up including that in the video.
And I felt that that was a truly really important part of
the story because they really did care a lot.
They actually try.
And I mean, I did that video testing out cheap sports tech
a little while ago.
If you don't match the frequency response of the drivers
in each year, it's a noticeable problem in the listening
experience.
But that's what they were doing was they were finding ones
that didn't meet their standard and they were making sure
that the drivers were appropriately matched.
Really great story.
Man, that was a hilarious factory.
Seeing the German versus the Japanese approach, like almost
back to back, there was only a few months in between, was
really eye opening.
Because we went to Omron afterwards.
Yeah, both countries and cultures are well respected around
the world for exactly that.
But they come to this conclusion, the same conclusion in
such utterly different ways, right?
So I mean, man, I forget if it was, was it Sennheiser or
Cherry?
I think it might have been Sennheiser.
These were both in Germany, but they had these bulletin
boards.
And I will remember this forever till the day I die.
First of all, both of them, spotless, so clean you could
eat off of any surface.
This was Sennheiser.
I remember this too.
This was wild.
Yeah.
Okay.
Spotless.
Like it didn't look like a factory.
It didn't smell like a factory.
They were definitely making stuff.
You could eat off the floor.
You could eat off any surface.
Yes.
I swear to you.
Anyway, they had these bulletin boards spaced out very evenly.
And they had things like safety bulletins, schedules,
upcoming events, workplace safety notices, all that kind
of thing.
And then in one corner, I think it was the corner.
They had just this arrangement of rectangles.
And I stopped.
I stopped the tour and I said, is that to make sure that
the way that all the other bulletins are posted is exactly
the same on every one?
And they're like, yeah.
Yes.
And so interviewing people there and talking to them,
not just the business people.
We got to talk to engineers as well.
There's a different philosophy.
And it was really interesting looking at both Cherry and
Omron because they both make fundamentally the same thing,
right?
So at Cherry, there was, oh, did we talk about how we were
also at ZF?
I don't know if we did in the video.
Ah, statute of limitations.
I'm sure they're not going to get mad about it at this point.
Anyway, the point is we also got to check out some ZF stuff,
even if it didn't make it into the video.
So ZF does a lot of work for the automotive industry,
which is kind of a thing in Germany, right?
And anyway, but it's the Cherry MX switch versus it was the
Roamer G that Omron and Logitech who actually sponsored
the video was really focused on.
And after talking to everyone and seeing everything that
we did, the bottom line thing that I came away with,
you know, the two sort of different approaches to this same
ultimate end goal, the two philosophies was the German
attitude was make it perfect, make it once, make it last,
right? Whereas the Japanese approach was make it really
good, pretty darn good.
Make it pretty near perfect.
And make it twice.
And make it twice and make it last.
So the way that the Cherry MX switch works, right,
is there's a contact, but there's only one.
It's a gold-plated contact.
And Cherry will talk your ear off for a week about, you know,
how they fine tune the gold leaf on the thing and the,
you know, the size of the bump and blah, blah, blah, blah,
whatever else. Right.
But in the Roamer G, there's actually two.
So if one of them fails, the other one still works and the
switch operates normally.
And I just thought, I thought those,
those two approaches to the design of a reliable switch were
so cool, so interesting.
Probably there's no cost benefit one way or the other,
making it absolutely perfect every time versus making it
mostly perfect, but with redundancy.
But it just came down to design philosophy.
And I just, I thought that was super cool.
You can see that in a lot of other products,
a lot of other companies from those countries as well.
It's very interesting.
And the Omron factory also very clean.
Oh yeah.
And I would eat off of most surfaces, but not quite all,
you know, like it was okay if the bulletins were not arranged
exactly the same way on every single board that was,
that was okay.
You know?
Yeah.
Oh, oh, this is interesting.
There's apparently a new there's,
there's leaked pricing for the ROG Ally.
Okay. I'm sorry.
I'm totally changing gears here real quick, Dan.
I'm sorry.
I will get to that.
I'll get to that really quick.
Another leak.
The ROG Ally will apparently start at 600 bucks with AMD Z1
and 256 gig SSD.
If that's true, then this, then that's just $70 higher
than the same storage.
That's so aggressive.
For how much more performance you're getting.
And more importantly for how quiet it is.
That is awesome.
Like awesome.
The Ally is not a perfect experience to be very,
very, very clear here.
What did you say the Steam Deck is though?
No, well, no, but I,
but I'm talking about the Ally in a different way.
I'm just clarifying for people.
Sure.
Game compatibility is much better,
but the experience of playing those compatible games.
Well, there's some hurdles to overcome still.
ASUS has a lot of work to do on the software.
Interesting.
And so does Microsoft.
Windows is not optimized for these handheld consoles.
And like, I just, just, I have this.
Okay, here, actually, I recorded this video on my phone
conveniently.
I was just, I was trying to do something basic.
What the heck was I trying to do?
I'm honestly having a hard time remembering,
but I was, oh yeah, right.
I remember.
I was trying to go into the stupid AMD control panel
and I was trying to alter a setting for the GPU driver.
And I had a game running.
I had, I was playing Stray.
I finally played Stray.
I had a game running and I couldn't get it open.
It just kept being Windows about it.
And yeah, I can't, I can't find it right now,
but I kept, you know, swiping up
and then that brings up a little bar
and then I'd swipe up again.
And then I would click the Windows icon
and then it would go away and I'd be like,
okay, so I swipe up twice again.
Then I go into the system tray
and then I click the AMD control panel
and then stupid thing would go away.
I'm like, okay, this is ridiculous.
I'm not even in exclusive full screen mode right now.
Like it's, the Steam Deck is a console
and that's its strength.
Right now, the Ally is a computer
with a controller bolted to it.
And that comes with problems.
And there's some things that Asus is doing
where they're trying to,
or they're attempting to mitigate that,
but it's a mitigation.
Unless Microsoft gets involved,
it's not going to be a perfect experience.
Now on the Steam Deck, I'm not saying it's perfect either,
but what it is, is it's seamless.
For the games that it does play,
I shouldn't say seamless, it's, let's see me.
For the games that it does play,
you can expect that there's been some kind of validation
process that has taken place.
Someone looked at the game and said,
someone looked at it at some point.
Do you think Valve would have been interested
in packaging SteamOS with the Ally?
I don't know about the Ally,
but my understanding is that they,
at some point, talked to at least some
of the competing handheld console makers.
And they've certainly taken a fairly open approach
to the operating system.
It's not like, shoot, what's it called?
It's escaping me now.
But there's a third party, sort of basically SteamOS,
SteamOS alternative for desktop.
Ugh, I can't, Holo ISO, that's the one.
And it's not like Valve is clamping down on that
or anything like that.
They've also, I think, I mean, they committed at some point.
I don't know if they've actually talked about it lately,
but they said they were going to release SteamOS
as just a standalone operating system at some point.
So at that point, nothing would prevent
a third party handheld maker from installing it
and shipping it.
Like it's free, right?
Yeah.
But what I also heard anecdotally is
that there are certain things that Valve is keeping
for themselves, like the profiles that they've created,
where they've tuned the game to run well
on the Steam Deck hardware.
Anyway, that price, excited.
And now is the time to explain merch messages.
Okay, those of you sending Super Chats,
this is the one time I'm going to look at them.
Hey, shout out, Prono Bozo, super cool.
And thanks, Darcy.
All right, so we got a couple of Super Chats.
There you go.
Because the real way to interact with the show
is through merch messages.
If you go on lttstore.com and you check out with,
oh, actually don't check out quite yet,
because we've got a couple of cool deals to announce
and some new products, some restocks,
all that kind of good stuff.
But if you go on lttstore.com and check out,
you'll see a little box called merch messages,
and you fill that out, you check out your order,
and you will get your order in the mail, which is great,
which is better than just kind of digital pixels
or whatever.
Throwing money into the void.
Yeah, throwing money at the screen
like you would on Twitch or YouTube.
And you might also get a reply from Dan,
your message showing up at the bottom of the screen
if you just want to say something
that means something meaningful to you,
or Dan will select a handful of them for me and Luke
to talk about either now or during WAN Show After Dark,
which is sort of the second half of the show.
Now's a good time for me to go through
and talk about some of the exciting stuff
we've got going on on the store this week.
First up is if you, wait, did Nick get that done?
I don't see it in the notes.
Dan, the backpack?
The backpack thing, do we know?
Oh, it should be done?
Okay, we've got a pretty cool promotion
to celebrate almost being ready to ship a solution
to the carabiner zipper pull thing.
Yes, we are still working on it.
We're very, very close,
and we have an update to share with you guys very shortly.
Luke's actually got them over there.
We are doing a promo where if you buy the backpack,
so let's go ahead.
I'll see if I can show this to you guys.
Should be good to go, okay.
If you buy the backpack, add that to your cart,
and a meme pillow, like, say, for example, this one,
Sad Linus or Linus Selfie,
we will give you the meme pillow for free.
There it is.
Free pillow with backpack.
So it'll automatically apply the discount.
You guys can check that out at lttstore.com.
We've also got some restocks.
We have new towel colors,
and the existing towels are back in stock.
So we actually sold out, particularly the large ones,
extremely quickly last time around.
Those are apparently better too.
I don't know if it's in the notes,
but Nick was talking to me about how
they did a new fabric softening thing in production,
which makes them absorb more water, dry faster,
and something else that I don't remember.
I'm sorry, Nick, but yeah, apparently they're better.
Go team.
We've got two new t-shirt designs.
Holy crap.
There really is a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of stuff going on this week.
The sketchy PC t-shirt,
which is sketchy because it's like a sketch.
Haha, get it?
The sketchy PC t-shirt is now available.
And also, what?
Northern Lights?
You could think of this as kind of like a spiritual successor
to the old Constellations shirt.
Pretty sick.
I've already gotten one compliment on it.
It was from my daughter.
So I'm not sure if that counts, but...
I think that definitely counts.
Yeah.
She was like, that's a cool shirt.
Is that from your store?
I'm like, yeah.
Yeah, it is.
We also brought back...
Oh, we brought back the expensive edition CPU pillow.
Oh, for crying out loud, you guys.
Okay.
Well, apparently we brought back the expensive edition CPU pillow.
So if you want to show that you have more money than sense,
and your way of doing that is by putting something on your couch.
Well, there it is.
For $169.99, you too can be the proud owner of an expensive edition CPU pillow.
Really?
People who buy this thing are happy with it.
It feels like a ripoff.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
Wait, it feels empty.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
So that's...
It does take a little while to puff up.
And it does smell bad out of the box.
A pack of wool.
Yeah.
So that's something to be aware of.
I have ones that I've had deployed on my couch for a long time, and they're very puffy.
But if they've just been sitting, especially under a pile for a while, they can compress.
And I would strongly recommend that you put them out to air out somewhere for a week before
you bury your face in them and smell them, because they come from alpacas.
And so they smell like alpacas right out of the box.
We actually had a very, very low star rating on this product until we updated the description
to include this.
Please note that due to the 100% alpaca wool fill, there may be a bit of an odor to this
pillow, especially when you first take it out of the box.
Yeah.
Significant direct sunlight for the first few days.
That's what we recommend.
And that's been fixing problems for most people.
Fray says mine only smelled for about two days.
Okay, there you go.
Did you come back every hour?
See if it still smelled?
How do you know exactly how many days it smelled for?
You know what?
It doesn't matter.
The point is, the last thing that I want to update you guys on is this.
We are apparently doing a onesie.
This is Bridget's project, her pet project.
I take no responsibility for this.
I approved moving forward with production on one print.
Not two, one.
Okay, so this is the same prism design from the women's underwear.
So if you want to see a bit of a higher quality image, you can just go in the store and check
out any of the women's underwear products.
And this is the confetti design also from the women's underwear.
You can get a better picture of it there.
And we want to know, Luke, can you create a poll?
Prism versus confetti.
Let us know what you guys want to see.
Yeah, floatplane chat's already like, I am so down for this.
Yeah, okay.
No, do both.
No, there's no feet.
No, there's no feet.
I am just wearing socks.
It's just an elastic ankle.
All right, so we'll get a poll up for that.
And sorry, Nick didn't even want me to do all this stuff today, but I was like, no,
it's okay, we'll give more store updates.
Luke, Luke, carabiner update.
Oh, let's do it.
Hey, Dan.
Hey, Dan.
Okay, Luke is going to be our test monkey.
You're going to space today, Luke.
Yes.
Let's hope you make it back.
I've been waiting for so long.
Okay, so am I going through the whole process?
Dan, don't move around too much.
Just yell at Luke and tell him to go to the right place.
Okay, all right, let me know when you're ready.
He's working on it.
Okay, the poll is working.
Most people are going for confetti so far, but it is pretty close.
Okay, it's 41 to 59% so far.
All right, you ready?
He's working on it.
The tripod's locked and the cameras are hard.
We good?
And again, am I going through the whole process?
Okay, Luke cam, here we go.
Okay, so aim a little bit to Luke's side.
Nope, nope.
You want the table, table.
There you go.
Yep, there we go.
There we go.
All right.
I do want you to do it on the table.
So Luke, you get no instructions.
You get the defective carabiner.
So you want to show the design flaw real quick?
Okay.
No, no, no.
Stop doing that.
No, Dan, don't follow him.
You're going to give people motion sickness, you guys.
Okay, so this is the old zipper.
Yep, okay.
And the design flaw is there's like no rail on it and this is a hard pin down here.
So if you press on the side, it would break.
Do you want me to break it?
I mean...
I don't feel like I need to break it.
You can if you really want to.
I think it's pretty easy to understand.
This one has a flaw.
Just break it.
Some of them are better than others, but if you push hard enough, you can break it.
It took a bit of force.
Like I had to kind of send it.
Most people, they haven't failed.
Mine haven't failed.
But some had particularly thin walls and failed very easily.
So it was clear that we needed to recall this.
It also could come down to like how you actually pull on the zipper and stuff like that.
Like I think the way that I pull on the zipper, which I grabbed this part, I grabbed this part,
it's not going to fail for me because I don't apply any pressure to the actual arm.
We're still going to fix the problem and we're going to fix it for everyone.
So the kit that everyone will receive...
What are you doing right now?
I don't know.
Messing around.
Oh, okay.
Can you show the parts that will be included in the kit?
So first of all...
No, stop lifting it up.
It's a little hard to see, but you are going to get this little arm that has kind of like
a wider flat edge and a thinner flat edge that is for prying open the clasp on the zipper
that you currently have.
And then last time we showed this off, we had these like clamps that you had to squeeze this way.
Yeah, that was not the real solution.
No.
So this is the closing mechanism.
Get to that later.
We're going to show them how it works later.
Okay.
So first remove the defective pull.
So that's with the...
Yep.
I'm not giving you any instructions.
So just do your best.
Oh, you already removed it.
Yeah.
I was just kind of fiddling around.
Luke, you're supposed to be doing...
I don't know for crying out loud.
You take this brass looking thing, but it's probably not brass, and put it in the zipper,
and then you just turn it to the side.
Okay.
Very easy.
Well, turn it then. Show them.
Show the people.
You have to show the people, Luke.
You put it in.
Jeez.
And you turn it to the side.
Great.
Okay.
And it lifts it up just enough that you can get a new one in.
No, stop.
I was trying to find it for myself.
So this, the circle right here, you can see it's very thin on this edge.
Yes.
That is very easy to get under it once you've pried it open just a little bit.
You don't have to send it to the moon because you might actually break the...
I don't know what this part is called.
Not might, you will.
You will.
Yeah.
It's not designed to be open and closed a bunch of times.
It's also not designed to be open super wide.
It's designed to be closed once.
But what we found is you can probably get away with anywhere from three to four before
they will definitely fail.
But you should only ever really do one, because we're going to send you...
This.
These awesome new zippers right here, which are great.
They're going to be probably a little bit smaller.
Just because I found that with them that tall...
They're pretty big.
Yeah.
They kind of were cumbersome.
It could definitely be smaller.
And then these ones are much better at dealing with side to side force.
So they're a single titanium piece and they've just got like this little...
It's hard to see, but there's like slots in it here, which allow it to bend.
Yeah.
And it's still not like if you really...
Oh, you could try and break it and you can break it.
Yes.
You'd have to really crank it.
Like you'd have to be trying to do damage to it.
Yeah.
It's not going to happen by accident.
Just pulling on the zipper, which is what it's intended for.
Okay.
So go ahead and try to install it.
Step one.
Yes.
I haven't actually done this, but...
Good.
That's the whole point.
I'm trying to see...
So I have the new zipper.
I'm going to put it in the thingy majiggy that I just opened.
Got it.
This is hilarious.
Audio Gary in a floatplane chat is like, can I just buy the zipper changing kit?
I have some busted up zippers that this would be lovely for.
So now this thing, the only way to really get at it, especially when it's in a bag,
on a bag, whatever, is going to be to go inside the zipper.
Yep.
So there's a little garage.
I'm going to move that out of the way.
I'm very proud that I actually did contribute to the final design for this.
Part of the whole requirement is that while you do this,
you pull a beard here out with the microphone that's in front of you.
So what...
Okay.
I've got that in position now.
That's pretty easy.
You just kind of move it and then it's done.
Little garage there.
And then I'm assuming you just turn this until you can't, because that would be good design.
And I feel like I'm probably done.
Okay.
Well, let's find out.
I mean, loosen it back and then pull it off.
Look, the idea here, guys, is that we are testing this.
We're testing this with a real user with no instructions like real users will tend to...
Dang it, Luke.
Okay.
It's fine.
We're good.
Okay.
Sorry.
I'll do it on the flat surface.
There you go.
Okay.
Try and get it out.
Try and get it out of the gap where the people can see.
Yeah, that's not coming out.
Again, that's a situation like I'm putting enough force on this where
I'd have to be trying to damage it in order to do that.
Um, okay.
Now you guys are probably wondering, well, why aren't you just done yet then?
The answer is that we still have a couple of things to fine tune.
Did Tynan provide any of the re-tighteners that broke?
No, I don't think so.
Okay.
Well, we managed to break a couple of them in the re-tightening process.
Also, as you can probably imagine, these are 3D printed.
Yeah.
And if we're going to be manufacturing, um, let's see.
Quite nicely to whoever did this.
40,000 of them.
They're not going to be 3D printed.
That would be stupid.
They're going to be injection molded.
Yeah, that's our fancy new printer.
It's really cool.
Nice.
Yeah.
Anyway, but we're not doing 40,000 parts in it.
I'll tell you that much.
Quite a bit more expensive.
So we need to get molds done.
We need to get 40,000 parts manufactured, right?
Like making one of anything takes some time.
Making a thousand of something takes more time.
And then there's also all the zippers.
One kit, but tons of pulls.
Yeah.
So we also have to manufacture like 160,000 zippers, right?
Well, yeah, like that's the thing, right?
Is that I remember, I remember giving the team a hard time.
I was like, Hey, we're out of stock of bits.
Cause some, some of the bit sets for the screwdriver out of stock.
I'm like, well, like, can we get more?
We got to get them quickly.
And they're like, well, here's the thing, boss.
How do you get that many so quickly?
Each pack is however many times however many packs.
You're asking me to order like a million bits.
They only have so many machines boss.
And I'm like, Oh, someone in full plain shot said, break it.
Show what it takes.
I don't want to do that.
Cause I don't know how many of these they have.
I have seen time to take this too.
Okay, just do it.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let me, let me just switch to the loot cam and you can just hold it up where we can see
what you're doing next to my face.
Okay, Dan.
Okay.
Unbelievable.
Oh, he was making kissing noises.
Okay.
So one little thing is I, I torqued it pretty far already.
Another resting position.
I don't know if you guys can see that, but it's slightly to the side, but with how it's
made, I could just do that.
And yup.
Now it's perfect again.
Cause I can just bend it back the other way.
We're not recommending that just to be very clear.
We're not saying do that over and over again.
That would be really stupid.
It's at a 90 degree now.
It's going to eventually break from fatigue.
And then I'm going to try to like put it back.
Oh Lordy.
This is very painful.
There it goes.
Okay.
That took a lot of effort.
That would never happen under a normal use case.
Never say never, but probably not.
Yeah.
Everything can break.
Yeah.
Everything can break.
Someone's going to break one of these.
Can I open?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ideally not the one you broke.
Thanks for nothing.
Oh wow.
It's like, yeah, here you want a sandwich?
I digested this one already.
It's got all the components of the sandwich.
I mean, and some other stuff of them were used.
I'll break the water bottle.
Yeah.
Like we can, the ability to break something does not mean that it is poorly designed or
weak.
And like it can be, it can be because of the way that it's structured.
It could be bent this way.
Yeah.
Pretty much an unlimited number of times.
Nothing is unlimited.
Nothing is perfect.
Yeah.
But this way, yeah, you could break.
I got it slightly past 90.
Like the use case where that's going to happen is crazy.
You don't have to get caught on something.
You would have to do something very bad to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
In which case, like, yeah, it's just going to be a problem.
Like it takes, it takes some effort.
Yeah.
Sure.
You can break it if you drag the metal beyond 90 degrees.
Like, I don't know.
All right.
I'm excited.
It's going to take some time.
We've got a lot of stuff to manufacture, but then we got there.
Oh, when we figured out that we were going to have to deal with that, to be clear, there
was never any question of whether we were going to deal with it or not.
Trust me, bro.
But the question of how, and at what cost, obviously those need to be answered.
Yeah.
The cost is very high.
Well, yeah, it's a lot of stuff.
It's a lot of titanium.
And they're nice.
It's four poles per bag.
It's okay.
That's okay.
That's what profit margins are for, right?
No, profit margins are for profit.
Oh.
If you must consume them with a product recall, then you do it, but that's not what they're
for.
But you need to have some of it just in case.
They're for building labs.
Yeah.
Hiring people.
So many new people lately.
All right.
I have some bad news about that, by the way, which we can talk about after the show.
Ugh.
Yep.
All right.
Cool.
Yeah, hit me.
Okay.
First up, today's from Robert.
Linus, what do you think are the biggest advantages and disadvantages of ADHD?
If you need help, I forgot what it was.
I was going to ask why I was buying this.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I think it's pretty well documented.
You know, hyperfocus slash like, you know, dragon energy creativity is, I would say,
the biggest benefits for me.
The biggest drawback is if I am not interested in something,
I basically cannot force myself to do it.
And that has all kinds of negative implications in life.
You know, whether it's flunking out of school, whether it's, you know, difficulty fostering
relationships because you just ain't interested in what that person's talking about.
And no amount of trying to make yourself focus on it will make you retain any.
I just, I think my best survival, my best survival strat has been to just surround myself
with people that I am interested in so that I don't have to deal with that kind of thing.
I'm going to make my own company where everyone is someone that I would want to talk to because
if there's someone I don't want to talk to, I'm simply not able to do it.
Yeah, it's tough.
I mean, and everyone's a little bit different.
You know, I think just trying to apply one label to everybody when we're all such
complicated creatures full of, you know, chemicals and
electrical impulses and all kinds of fun things is...
Brain drugs.
Yeah, it's very challenging, right?
But for me anyway, that's my experience.
Okay, hit me with another.
Here comes another.
Next one's from George.
How has your approach to content creation changed over the years?
And what strategies do you use to keep your audience engaged and interested in your videos?
Did you pick related questions on purpose?
I try and create a theme.
Because basically, my approach changes when I get bored,
and my boredom happens a lot faster than yours because I have ADHD.
So that's the idea, right?
And it's actually helped a lot.
Yeah, like I remember there was this outcry from the audience when we stopped doing
power supply unboxings, right?
What?
You're not going to do power supply unboxings anymore?
And the same thing happened when we stopped doing
motherboard unboxings and all these different categories that we covered at some point,
and then basically just went, eh, I'm bored, and stopped doing.
And even though, you know, a significant portion of the audience was upset about it,
the channel never did anything but grow at those points because even if they didn't realize it,
they were going to get bored.
It was going to happen.
And something had to change.
And I knew that at that time, we weren't set up to change the way that we approached covering
those products.
We didn't have the funding or the knowledge or the experience to do detailed power supply
testing, for example.
So that wasn't going to happen.
So the better thing for us to do was to go find something that did excite us and go do
that instead.
And it worked.
We also do listen to the audience.
You can't just ignore the audience and just do whatever whim strikes you.
That's not going to be a good content creation strategy either.
So figuring out how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to audience feedback
and then trusting your instincts as well.
I mean, don't imagine that we're never going to return to those categories.
That's the entire point of the lab.
Like we've got, I don't even remember how much that power supply tester from Chroma
cost us, but I believe it's fully set up now, like actually like physically set up.
And I believe they're coming for training like in the matter of days or weeks.
It's not months.
And oh, you want to know something really cool?
The RF chamber.
Two days into its 10 day construction right now.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
The techs are here building it right now.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I'm really excited.
The RF chamber is going to be great because covering stuff like wireless router, how do
you, how do you do it?
Right?
Like obviously, you know, I tried to find ways back in the day.
Like I, in, in my old house, for example, I would put them in the same place every time.
And I had like a handful of places that I would check and then I'd be like, okay, yeah,
the signal strength and transmission data rate are, you know, X and X minus Y and X
plus Y or X plus Z or whatever for all these different products.
And it's like something, but it's, it's not scientific.
It's not repeatable.
Right?
So the RF chamber is going to change all of that.
Very, very excited.
And not just wireless routers.
Like we're talking cell phones.
We're going to have our own like 4G, 5G network thing.
It's going to be awesome.
Like which phone has the best reception?
Literally nobody covers that.
They're phones, ostensibly.
And yet we don't talk about the fact that my phone, I can't carry on a conversation,
even though I'm on the same network as my wife and she can.
I feel like this used to be a thing.
Like a decade or more ago.
Totally was.
And now it's not really covered at all.
Yeah.
It drives me crazy.
It's annoying.
I want to know why I can hear Luke's phone on the mics and I can't hear Linus's or mine.
Right?
That would be amazing.
Interesting.
We should test like my stupid phone.
I've always wanted to know that.
Interesting.
I'm super into it.
Okay.
Let's do some rapid fire now.
Actually be rapid fire.
Okay.
What's our time limit?
Do you have a timer?
40 minutes ago.
Let's go.
I told Dan he's supposed to have a timer for rapid fire, but he has ADHD.
So he didn't do it.
I forgot we can use the pain timer.
Here we go.
My daughter is a big fan.
She wanted to ask Linus is excited for the new legend of Zelda tears of the kingdom.
Have you seen the demo footage?
Vehicle building looks insane.
It was two seconds.
I, I hate giving Nintendo money, but I'm going to do it anyway.
It's the only way I can get you a time.
This is going to be really confusing.
All right, let's get rid of that then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't watched any of the demos for the same reason that I don't watch trailers of
movies I know I'm going to watch.
I'm going to play it.
With that said, I, I felt, you know, when you finish a game or a book or a movie and
you're like, that's good.
It ended at the right time.
It's done.
Yeah.
When I beat Ganondorf at the end of breath of the wild, I wasn't one of those people
who has gone back over the last three or four years and, and, and played it more.
Like I, I, I loaded up, um, I loaded it up recently because I wanted to try it on the
ROG Ally with, uh, Cemu and just kind of see what the performance was like.
Amazing.
Um, like so much better than the switch.
Anyway, I, so I fired it up and even in the, in the beginning areas of the game, like I,
I couldn't fight anything.
I almost died just like fighting stupid basic problems or whatever they're called.
And I'm sitting here going, oh crap.
When tears of the kingdom comes out, I'm going to have to learn this all over again.
I'm going to suck.
Whereas like I had no problem farming like the top tier equipment from whatever those
like horsey centaur guys are or whatever like that.
I was, I was like, good.
Like I beat the game or whatever.
Um, ah, anyway, I hate giving Nintendo money.
I'm going to do it anyway, but I'm going to give them my money and then I'm going to play
it on my ally if I can.
I just, I just, I hate that my save data is stuck on the stupid switch.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I want something I can back actually dangerous.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Okay, next up with the prices of Nvidia's 4,000 series, do you think their 5,000 series
will be even more expensive?
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah.
You're getting better at this.
Atlas OS sounds like a perfect solution to bloatware on new setups, but how would you
work around potential software or data loss using it on a machine that has existing software?
I'm so glad you brought up Atlas OS because there's been some outcry in the community
over our promotion of the project.
So first of all, I just want to say we did include a list, not exhaustive, but it did
include most of the major concerns from people in the community of potential downsides to
Atlas OS, including the fact that it disables UAC, uh, disables windows defender.
Um, it, uh, handicaps, uh, windows update.
So there are, there are definitely issues with Atlas OS the way that it is.
The main point that we wanted to feature it was we wanted to demonstrate what an unbloated
windows can look like.
And the Atlas OS devs are well enough aware of the issues and they're actually working
on them, which is, which is really, really exciting.
So it's, it's great that people are giving their feedback about those concerns.
And it's great that the Atlas devs are taking the whole thing seriously.
Um, I saw a lot of people making really weird suggestions.
Like you shouldn't use Atlas OS it's sketchy.
You should use a de-bloater.
Atlas OS is a de-bloater.
Um, it's open source.
That's not to say that it's perfect in its current iteration.
There's definitely stuff that they need to work on in order to make it safer to daily
drive for regular users as it is right now.
You should only use it if you 100% know what you're doing.
And if you are running a third party antivirus, if there's any risk whatsoever of you doing
something whoops, which, you know, frankly with how sophisticated cyber attacks are these
days is a non-zero chance for anyone.
Like even you, something could happen, right?
Yep.
Okay.
Next up.
I think, I think, sorry, I just want, if you're, if you're wanting to set it up, like,
like imagine the, uh, the racing SIM up there, like say it was one of those types of computers.
All you ever do is like update the game through steam.
You don't browse ever all that kind of stuff.
Like maybe you can get by with it, but it's not a good idea to run completely antivirus
lists, but I think I made the mistake in that video of just kind of brushing it over,
brushing over it a little bit to more assuming that I was talking to my audience instead of
accounting for that.
A lot of people who watch our videos are not like dialed in.
Yeah.
You know, they're not watching every day.
They're not advanced users necessarily.
And I think that was a little irresponsible.
On that subject, actually, there's, there's another thing that I was probably a little
irresponsible about and is, is worth addressing at this point.
Uh, we talked about Nebula a couple of weeks ago and their CEO posted in their subreddit,
uh, that I got basically everything wrong, which is one way of, of saying it.
Um, there are a couple of things that I miscommunicated and there are a couple of
things that I misunderstand and that I misunderstood.
And I think most of it is just due to the fact that I had outdated information, which
I really should have, I should have accounted for.
I also did a really poor job of explaining when I said that a subscription out of a
subscription, very little of that money would go to the individual creator.
And what I meant was that if I, a creator sold a subscription to Nebula to my audience,
I would get very little of that over the lifetime of that subscriber.
That's not to say that I get very little money.
That's to say that it's a completely different model.
I don't know how their thing works.
If, if someone subscribed and then only watched your content, like, is it, is it
divided based on what content they watch?
Uh, theoretically it's based on, it's based on watch time.
So if someone only watched the person they subscribed to and nobody else ever.
That I don't know.
Yeah.
That I don't know, but based on that, it's an all you can eat platform where you
subscribe to the entire library.
You'll probably watch other stuff.
Um, see, I don't, my goal isn't to out anyone or anything here either, but the way
that I, the way that I approached that saying that, you know, it seemed like people
were more into the part ownership, which is a really good thing by the way.
The fact that the creators are part owners in the platform, but the way that I
approached that saying like, okay, well they're doing this thing where they have
these lifetime subscriptions.
It seems like they're trying to boost subscriber count.
Maybe it's an exit strategy or whatever else.
The reason I said that was not because I didn't think the platform was profitable.
It's been pretty clear that they're profitable for a long time.
They, uh, Dave posted on Twitter like a month ago, I think that they're spending
half a million dollars on YouTube advertising a month or something like
that.
So for me, it was not a question of, are they profitable?
It was a question of what's the end, what's the, what's the purpose of this
here, right?
Like why do you need a quarter million dollars in funds if you're spending half
a million dollars a month on, on advertising through YouTube or whatever the
case may be.
So the other thing too is that, you know, as far as, as far as I could tell, and
again, this is outdated conversations, right?
It's like a year ago, um, with people that I've talked to that have left the
platform.
No, it wasn't generating a significant amount of money for them.
So I don't know.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is there's definitely things that I missed.
Dave made it very clear that they're not heading towards an exit.
So I'm still confused about the lifetime membership.
But sure.
And I think that's everything that I wanted to clarify.
I had a lot of people comment to me directly, actually, that they, you know,
thought it was weird that I was commenting on a competitor.
And Davis said publicly already, and I've said before, I don't see them as a
competitor.
They're not in the same space.
They have very different model.
They have video on their website, but that's about where the similarities end.
I think you could say that we're more of a Patreon competitor if you would even,
if we weren't an ant that Patreon would squish under their heel, right?
Like we're just kind of do our own thing.
Float planes float plane, man.
It maybe it'll take off someday.
And if it doesn't pay, it ain't going to sink.
That's literally what the branding means.
And it's been a massive success for us internally.
Like it's we don't hide the numbers, right?
We've got over 42,000 monthly subscribers on float plane right now.
It's, it's really, it's actually been a really exciting last few months for
float plane.
And we passed the one month anniversary of the hack.
So that's people that stayed around.
Well, yeah, there's really good content.
Yeah.
We actually saw no real noticeable dip on the anniversary of the hack.
And like many of the creators that, you know what, I think I've said enough.
That's, that's, that's pretty much all I have to, that's pretty much all I have to
say about it.
Our model works for us, their model works for them and that's fine.
Yeah.
And I'm glad they're not heading for an exit.
Cause it's something that I've always said is it's been nice having them in the
space because while I don't see them as a competitor, the landscape of, hey, you
can support us outside of main platform that we are on, whether that's YouTube or
Instagram or Twitch or whatever else, growing that at all is cool.
Because it legitimizes that space, how different companies decide to approach
that in like Nebula's model or float planes model or Patreons model or whoever
else's model.
They can be ever more different from each other.
And I think float plane and Nebula are quite different, but it's just nice
having more people in that space because it normalizes it, which is good.
Yeah.
Moving on.
Okay.
Oh man.
What do you want to talk to you now?
Let's talk about the mountain of dead Chromebooks.
Yeah.
I think this is interesting.
I think you're being a hater right now.
So I'm going to make you read the topic.
You read the topic.
Sounds good.
Schools struggle with mountains of dead Chromebooks.
During the pandemic, American schools bought a massive number of Chromebooks.
According to a recent report, those schools now have a massive number of
unusable devices.
Unusable.
I'm your hype man.
In part because of the obvious cheapness of the materials, but also because the
devices are hitting the end of their security updates.
Officially Chromebooks get five to eight years of updates.
Five to eight years.
But their auto expiration date is determined by when the device was
certified, not when it was sold.
Google tells users to expect an average of four years at time of sale.
After Chromebooks pass that expiration date, they can no longer access secure
websites, including state testing sites.
Okay.
Pointless changes to basic parts between different models make the Chromebooks
difficult to repair.
For example, six different manufacturers of the Chromebook 11 made cosmetic
changes to the plastic bezel that made parts incompatible between models.
Luckily or not, many schools have large stockpiles of busted Chromebooks to
salvage parts from, but salvage is inefficient by design?
Yeah.
Usually if a Chromebook has a single broken key, the entire keyboard needs to
be replaced.
One school official reported that a typical repair involves replacing half the
device.
Yeah.
There was an interesting anecdote from Wednesday's TechLinked episode where
Gideon Fraser commented, fun fact.
After having worked as a hardware tech guy in a Georgia school, I can go ahead
and tell you that these Chromebooks are actually closer to 90 US dollars a piece
and these kids obliterate them.
If a key is bad, you can go to the back room filled to the brim with broken
Chromebooks.
Look for one with a functional keyboard and part match.
Actually you do that with every fixable component on these god awful machines.
We don't really buy any parts replacements because we already have enough
broken ones that we should have any part we would need that would actually be a
viable to fix.
And then another person responded as well, as a fellow tech in Texas, I can
confirm those damn screens are just constantly coming in shattered.
This just in, kids not careful with their things, especially when they aren't
their things.
More at 11.
Yeah.
I don't think them breaking often would be different if it was a Chromebook or
not.
I actually don't either.
I think that kids would be very likely to break school owned laptops regardless
of whether they were Chromebooks or MacBooks or Windows books or whatever.
I used to get so enraged at how people would treat the computers in the like
the lab that you and your friends built.
Yeah, like but even the ones that we didn't because like we had such a low
budget that like if you break the optical drive in this thing, we don't get
another one and people would be shoving like garbage.
They would take like candy wrappers and put in the optical drive and shove it
closed.
Like I used to have a little tool I would walk around with to be able to do the
manual pop out of optical drives so I could pull them open and take trash out
like it's so annoying.
Like don't like if you don't destroy everything more of the budget can go
towards making this place nice.
Yeah.
Can we stop?
Like man it used to be so frustrating so I'm not surprised that people would
not surprised that people would trash these.
So this is going to happen with whatever and I don't believe most laptop
keyboards that I know of have like user user repairable individual keys.
So like a lot of these complaints I'm I'm coming down on like I don't know if I
can rag on the Chromebook for this.
No it's not Chromebook specific but what is very frustrating is the fact that
these devices will expire.
That yes.
On average in four years.
Yeah.
I mean I just bought a Chromebook for my middle child because she needs it for
school next year and I'm sitting here going well I didn't think to check if it
was certified like yesterday or a year ago or two years ago or four years ago.
It's modern hardware so probably it was certified fairly recently but I didn't
think to check that and I can see how that would be exactly the sort of thing
that whether it's a parent or whether it's a buyer for a school district or
whatever else there's so many other factors to consider other than when the
device was certified that honestly I just I straight up think that this should
just be illegal.
And laptops are better now.
There were like when I was kind of late high school it was general wisdom that
if you bought a laptop it lasted three years.
Yeah within three years it was going to be crap anyway.
That's not really a thing.
That's not true.
You could buy a ThinkPad that's 10 years old on like eBay you know like that's
core this second gen core third gen core I mean oh I mean fourth gen core is
almost 10 years old at this point and that'll be very usable today.
As long as you can make sure that you get proper security on it you update the
heck out of it and then you're just like browsing the internet.
That's fine.
Who cares?
So what is our justification for allowing this stuff to just expire this way and
back to the part that I think should actually be illegal why are we allowing
companies to continue selling these products well into their lifespan knowing
that what the customer is buying today is a significantly shorter shelf life than
what they bought at the beginning of the product cycle.
You should have to well you shouldn't really be able to do it at all but you
should have to communicate like this device has 800 days left until it is
garbage when you buy the thing.
Well if you're going to hard lock it like that I mean if it's
going to be a degraded experience okay fine you know like Apple doesn't roll out
new Mac OS updates for their Macs forever at some point you do have to
deprecate the hardware that that actually is fine.
It would be enormously burdensome for them to have to support it forever it's
not what I'm asking for.
Someone in floatplane chat Mike D 78 said I'm watching this show on a fourth
gen i5 think pad works fine.
Exactly right yeah and so what I'm saying is knowing that assuming the kids
don't beat the crap out of it the hardware could still be good in more than
four years or even more than five or eight years it should be communicated
and this is something that I will often tell people when they're shopping for a
phone when people ask me for advice for a phone I almost never give an exact
model because then it's my problem if they don't like it but what I will do is
I'll give them some tech tips and one of the ones that I will really really try
to emphasize is hey you need to think about it in terms of total cost of
ownership and I know that that's more of a business the way of considering
things but in our personal lives it's very applicable if you buy a brand new
iPhone today right you can buy a brand new iPhone from the last generation it's
cheaper right it's also not as good but a big part of the reason it's cheaper is
not the hardware it's the support so if the difference in price between let's
just use arbitrary numbers between a thousand dollar iPhone and an eight
hundred dollar iPhone okay is one fifth but that thousand dollar one is going to
last for five years and that eight hundred dollar one is going to stop
getting support in four years guess what they're the same
are you wanting me to say it sure cost of ownership total cost of ownership
exactly now that's not always true right it depends what kind of user you are are
you the type of person that uses your devices into the ground well okay then
what I just said is very applicable but if you're the kind of person who's going
to upgrade in two years or three years anyway then it becomes more of a
question of well are the features important to you as opposed to just the
the total cost you're going to pay per year of owning the device right because
then all of a sudden they're the same in terms of their software expiry so you
so you start to move on to other factors but it's a really important thing to
consider especially with android phones buying a year-old android phone
particularly a few years ago when they weren't getting support the same way
that i mean samsung does four years now i think three oh yeah if you don't mind
looking that up it would be that would be good to know but there was a while
there where you know you were getting one two very rarely three major android
updates on your android four years four years yeah so they do four years now at
least but it wasn't always that way and not all vendors have that level of
commitment and so if you're buying it a year into the cycle don't be fooled if
it's 20% off that ain't a deal you're just you're just buying old hardware at
full price right for how long you're going to be able to use it so our latest
pixels are apparently five years now which is which is really great and yeah
that's it's it's a major factor that you should consider uh we're supposed to do
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we got this dan does your phone have a bird chirping ringtone
okay i've been wondering what are you gonna do about it yeah
i'll deal with it luke i said i would deal with it
we don't want you to deal with it that way
i just thought i was genuinely concerned i was like hallucinating
no i thought the same thing i thought it was one of you guys because it's like
really quiet next to my head coming out of my microphone but yes
it's okay we're all going insane as long as i'm not going insane we can continue
carbon monoxide filter alarms getting really irritating there's somebody
there's somebody on youtube sending 55 canadian dollar
super chats over and over again you just can't even i can't even see them to read
them don't send super chats buy stuff on the
store we like try to check them but just don't do it and if you don't want to buy
stuff just buy gift cards and never use them
yeah if you must just throw money at us it's like the world's worst bank
yeah yeah you can only withdraw them in the form of
products of high quality apparel um i mean that's not that bad actually
but you get no interest yeah except the interest you'll get
from wearing our high quality apparel hey you like that setup
that was pretty good that was pretty good
oh one of our topics today was response to the atlas os video i guess i kind of
yeah jumped in i think we're done that one yeah i think we're good on that one
um big accounts forcibly re-verified on do we want to even talk about it i
didn't say the name yet all right you do it skip it oh great we're talking about
it we're talking about it a bunch of big
accounts are forcibly re-verified on the twitter including the
atlinestech account yep and when we say forcibly
like oh man the the narratives that people are creating in their own heads
about this like that celebrities were outraged that they don't get to feel
special because of their verification check marks
or that they're just i don't know that that this is
oh that this matters it's twitter i don't care
yeah okay carry on for no stated reason twitter has
been haphazardly re-verifying certain haphazardly uh
uh certain prominent accounts without the consent
of the account holder well okay i want to jump in and say the reason that
matters is because of what the badge says what the badge says the way that
it's worded makes it sound like you're a paying twitter blue subscriber it's it
says you are yes quite specifically yeah these check
marks still say that the oh there it is still says that
the account is subscribed to twitter blue
which seems unlikely in the case of figures like coby bryant
anthony bordain jamal kashoggi a journalist who was murdered five years
ago so yeah i mean that makes sense uh
sometimes accounts of people who have passed will be managed by a team and
stuff like that but yeah probably not that one probably not uh
some of the verifications appear to have been given out of spite
prominent twitter comedian at drill who has advocated blocking accounts
subscribe to twitter blue was given a blue check mark several
times as he kept changing his profile name to get rid of it
i actually don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory
um or the well the the the the tinfoil hat theory about this i i i i
well okay well i was about to say i don't think twitter management is
actually petty enough to go find individual users and keep
re-verifying them i don't actually know that for sure but my understanding is
it's basically anyone with over a million followers
that's just getting it's just happening automatically it's just getting
re-verified it just seemed like a bug to me i don't know
um probably some security thing back in the day to like fix
other bugs where it's like oh this person accidentally lost their
verification let's just reapply it yeah drill has 1.8 million followers
and interestingly is not verified right now probably because they changed their
name slave to woke all right
uh several fake accounts were also verified including a fake hillary
clinton uh and an account pretending to represent
a sudanese paramilitary group when these tweeted falsely that the
group's leader had died um okay claiming that
celebrities have subscribed to twitter blue
when they have not may qualify as in quotes false endorsement
and expose twitter to legal action i suspect unless twitter goes
sorry it was a bug and then the whole thing goes away yeah i mean
i don't know i that could be the defense they could also come up with something
more creative there was the uh super creative
uh you can't tell that that was me it could have been a deep fake
defense for i don't i particularly try not to follow this stuff so i'm not
really sure what you're talking about uh i we talked on the show about how this
was going to happen though yeah like a hundred percent because when
when the defect stuff gets convincing enough
you you can not only not really be able to believe what is actually real
but you also if something is real it becomes hard it becomes very easy
for people to kind of be like nah it's fake
yeah this is uh this is great uh tesla defense lawyers tell the court
that elon musk's statements could be deep fakes
uh and this is in um do they just mean broadly are they talking about one
specific thing the judge in the autopilot death case
uh where this is where this is being presented says that
this defense argument is deeply troubling i mean it is
especially because they weren't like but they're saying but they could be so
anything that he's ever said about the capabilities of autopilot or
whatever else basically they're saying unless you
were there in person you have no way of knowing that it
wasn't a deep fake so it should be just what inadmissible
or what a wild time is this a wild time or
what twitter sucks
it's convenient for connecting to people that you might need to talk to
because it has a lot of people on it it's my number one source of which
celebrity died today
honestly it probably makes sense that's how i found out that um
oh shoot now it's escaped me i i only know this because
bob barker was trending and i was like no not bob barker
and it was people being glad that it wasn't bob barker
um oh jerry springer okay yeah it was jerry springer i was gonna say that
would make me feel really bad for who it was but then
um wow i think that's a too soon right there i can't say i was a fan of the
man's work necessarily but i don't i don't know him personally at all
wow
that was probably too far
i'm not gonna start talking and get you out of this i can let's stop talking
about twitter uh linus is getting a cosmetic procedure
yeah so what why where i how i'm gonna get micro needling what is
that it's where they take a needle and they
stab your face over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
wow many many many many times it's like getting a tattoo but there's no ink
essentially okay yeah so the idea is that it uh basically like
scars you destroys no no it doesn't super small needle
it basically like destroys all the the very
top layer of tissue or like skin on your face
and it promotes collagen production like a recycling thing basically yeah
pretty much yeah yeah just so it's not it's you know what's interesting is i
was are you awake for this oh yeah there's
like a numbing cream so hopefully that'll help yeah it's
small it'll sound comfortable i've had my i've had a lot of issues all
over the place so they put a whole ton of uh needles
in my quad once oh yeah um and my my quad spasmed because of it
which is something they told me that could happen
um
okay all right um my quad spasm and i bent all of the needles like sick oh
yeah you've told me about that that's hilarious yeah that was really brutal
is it possible that like your cheek could go and it like bends needles in
your face i doubt it i don't see why it would if you
numb them in or are they just going no it's like it's like it's more like a
tattoo like a sewing machine yeah okay yeah yeah so wow uh i was actually
like i was pretty i was pretty anti any kind of
rejuvenating procedure until it was actually david here
that i was having a conversation with i'll always remember this because it was
on this whirlwind trip to germany that we took
where we were there and back and like if it was if it was more than 48 hours
it wasn't by much and that's a long flight and that
included shooting a video it was it was a tough trip but we did
manage to get out and just kind of hang out for a little bit
and he presented me with a viewpoint that i hadn't really considered before
and he was like yeah i'm not super into like like altering your appearance
dynamically but i don't see anything wrong with
maintenance in much the same way that you might
put a fresh coat of paint on your house if it's
looking dilapidated i don't see anything wrong with putting a fresh coat of paint
on your body and i was like okay so all it does is it stimulates the
body's natural collagen production that lowers
as you age so it'll it helps to reduce wrinkles
and just kind of generally rejuvenates your skin so i'm like you know what
all right i'll give it a shot i'll see why not it's like a few hundred bucks i
think i'll let you know okay yeah it's
probably going to be very painful uh yeah well i mean yeah depends how
good the numbing cream is but like getting a tattoo on your face
sounds like it would suck oh yeah for sure i mean well if darth
maul can do it then all i have to do is channel the
dark side of the forest and i should be fine you should like
you should troll your kids that way like tell them you're going to get this thing
done and then come back with like a like a
face paint darth maul face paint yeah i don't think i'll need it
oh god the face will be quite red you look really right that makes sense yeah
it'd be really irritated that makes sense um
is this new news for ltx this looks like a lot of new news
wow are we like officially announcing all the booths this is cool
yeah let's talk about it sure okay ltx 2023 brought to you by
asus rog i don't know if that was announced before but that's a thing now
um for creators we have a bunch more creators confirming their attendance to
ltx 2023 i can bring it up but i feel like you probably should
um if any other creators are interested and are currently hearing about ltx and
want to attend reach out uh to info at ltxexpo.com
here's our creators page there's a bunch we have a pretty big
creator budget this year wow see any big names
i see a lot of names yeah a bunch of them are big yeah you do
yeah you do heck yeah is this freaking awesome or what i'm just excited to like meet up with
a bunch of these i know right well these people i want to meet for the first time and a bunch of
them i haven't seen in years because i haven't been out yeah is this sick or what yeah it's
awesome yeah oh i'm super excited it's gonna be awesome other than meeting very cool creators
there's a bunch of other things you can do there's booths for a 3d printing workshop
a build your own screwdriver with like different colors and all this kind of stuff
a sim racing setup with four to eight rigs wow um an nzxt case toss with three lanes
yeah three lane case stuff the line was so long it was and we're gonna have more people this year
we i think we have almost as many tickets sold now as we did last time but wait for it
we haven't published a main channel video announcing it yet
oh whoa yeah i definitely did last time oh yeah wow it's like people want to get out and
hang out and see things and people i've also talked to a bunch of people that are just
very excited because they went last time and it was so good and they want to go again like there's
a lot of hype of like we could finally do it i got um there's an epic games uh collaboration
with pc building simulator 2 uh they sponsored a water cooling workshop super cool google pixel
will be sponsoring the meet and greet area neat uh msi kioxia the gaming stadium london drugs
dd mikes and ridge wallet and silverstone and more are coming on board to be sponsors of the event
whale pcs we announced on twitter that star forge systems will be building our whale pcs
and ltx merch reservations reserve merch for pickup during the expo oh yeah so here is what
it all looks like the sweater and the shirt are so sick yeah they're so cool i'm pretty stoked
now there is a way we we talked about this uh before where we had said that ltx exclusive merch
so this stuff was not going to be available online we have found a way that maintains the
you know the the integrity of the exclusivity of event merch but also makes it available online
so what we've done is we've created a digital pass and it's as simple as subscribing on floatplane
at the ten dollar tier so if you're subscribed on floatplane uh you'll get a whole bunch of
content from the event so all the panels uh any of the games that we play on stage uh we're gonna
have our social team which is like three or four people now yeah yeah they do a great job yeah they
do a great job they're gonna be running around filming stuff basically just going straight from
sd card to floatplane throw a title on it they're gonna their their directive is upload pump content
upload no delay go shoot something walk back to the computer press upload title it walk away and
shoot something else like let's go um so all of that will be going to the ten dollar tier all
that ltx content uh some of it may be available at the five dollar tier i think live streams we
have no way of differentiating right now it's just not a feature that the platform supports
so if we were to do anything live that might be available and we might do you know maybe a more
produced summary video or behind the scenes or something like that that's available to all
floatplane subscribers but what we're going to be doing is we're going to be treating the floatplane
digital pass as the ten dollar tier and the ten dollar tier will include the digital uh the ltx
digital pass um yeah yeah yeah we thought about just doing it as like a one-time like like digital
ticket but the reality of it is that um that would be development work and this is too but this is
more useful for like other things and kind of scales and stuff like that so it makes sense
yeah so this is this is this makes a lot more sense and for those of you who are like upset
and worried that this is going to be like a cash grab or whatever else you could just subscribe for
the one month like that's fine i don't care like do do whatever works for you so then if you're
not subscribed at all it's 10 bucks and if you're subscribed at a different tier like if you're at
the three dollar og tier for example it's seven dollars and then if you're an og once you're an
og forever so you can always yeah you can go back to your downgrade back to your three dollar tier
so yeah hey there you go right cool not too bad not too bad your og can theoretically rot
if you unsubscribe and cancel your subscription entirely for a significant period of time
oh really theoretically oh okay if people email customer support we usually just honor it anyways
well that's because customer support here has the make it right directive yeah so like
trust me bro it's fine um but it doesn't it doesn't go away if you like move your
subscription to your round like your your flag is i love all the people that are looking at
stuff we've done lately and been like yeah i think with you know the things that lmg and the store
and everything i've been doing lately you know i think that i think that you know they can say
trust me bro now it was never different it was always the same yeah we were just sitting in a
very like potential energy state with like a bunch of things not released yet and stuff
like that but it doesn't mean that things changed nothing changed um oh people are asking what if
they paid for the year i just saw that that is complicated um luke will figure that out and get
back to you sick uh got him i can't pick up my phone or else i'll buzz the stream can you
schedule a message for me on monday dan about that if you're paying attention
thank you huh yeah that's uh that is complicated really good question could we just figure something
issue a partial refund like pro-rated and then they could sign up for an annual i'm not committing
to anything we'll figure something out all right cool yeah because the accounting department's
gonna have to sign off on whatever it is we do let me oh man let me tell you figuring out how
to handle being able to take canadian cash at the event and multiple currencies for um
for like for pre-orders or for reservations
been very challenging very very challenging because the last thing we want to do is create
a situation where as as exchange rates fluctuate in the months leading up to the event people who
reserve before paid more or something compared to when they get there and but if we peg it now
how do we avoid that um how do we do the accounting for these fluctuations if we took
the money then but then the value of that money changed by x amount between now and then it's like
really it's really bad it's really dumb cool anyway this is the ltx exclusive merch we've
got the three designer series desk pads all of which look amazing i think the toughest decision
here is which two to buy um then yeah we've got the tie-dye shirt the tie-dye hoodie uh the flag
so the idea with the flag is that it's it's not huge it's more for carrying around and like you
know writing messages on friends that you meet there really cool thing to get signed yes exactly
yes and then we've got the gradient enamel pin yeah because these shirts aren't super signable
no not really whereas some previous year ones with a silver sharpie were so yeah that makes sense
i've got people in twitch chat good old twitch chat the fluctuations wouldn't be that big
yes they would what fluctuations between the usd and cad i mean we just yeah traditionally no
you're right lately lately i mean i might still have a tab open with it because i've been watching
it really closely lately um yeah in the last one month it's gone from uh a dollar thirty six
all the way down to almost a dollar thirty three all the way up to a dollar thirty seven
okay that's huge in business terms like three or four cents on the dollar over a span of a
couple of weeks how on earth are you supposed to plan around that it's wild try try trying to hire
people that want to work remote in other currencies oh yeah cool and negotiate trying to figure out
wages and stuff it's a nightmare absolute nightmare anyways that's ltx it's coming soon
super excited genuinely super excited uh what else do we want to talk about oh we're supposed
to do three merch messages dan hit me second here segue was too fast for me
my level back up there we are um hey dll what are your thoughts on cheaper versus more expensive
motherboard chipsets is it worth spending more on a high-end or low-end chipsets enough for most
people chipset that's really going to depend on your use case that used to matter a lot more
because vendors would lock important features like sli for example you could only run two gpu's on a
more expensive chipset not because of any reason other than that well if you can afford two gpu's
you can afford a more expensive motherboard go fuck yourself right like that was the that was
it that was the entire rationale right um these days though man i mean the first time i saw a b
series gaming motherboard almost 10 years ago now i think i was like really you know because the
difference in price was not that much between an entry level i guess it would have been p series at
the time or had we moved on to z yet for performance i'm not sure but between the entry level
performance tier chipset boards and this like high-end b which used to mean business i think
if i recall correctly um and this high-end like business chipset board it was like five bucks or
something like that i'm going well just just get the get the performance tier board and then get
unlocked overclocking which mattered back then because you could actually get more performance
out of your chips because they weren't red-lined out of the factory but these days frankly if i was
spending my own money i can't think of any reason that i would go with a higher tier chipset like
yeah i get more like usb ports or whatever but when's the last time that you were limited by
the number of usb ports on your motherboard remember usb hubs are available for as little as
six dollars yeah
i don't like them sure do you like running a cable farther down to your computer
uh oh come on you're not charging devices off your computer i do sometimes my phone
okay then use the front usb port on your case that's gross i don't want to do that
front usb ports are just for like flash drives other temporarily plugged in things
it's hilarious that you guys call me out of touch yeah what the hell is that luke what is what
i have i have a uh uh usb extension multi-port thingy as well i would just go basic especially
on amd where there's no overclocking locks and you can do whatever you want even with the low-end
stuff the only difference is pcie lanes which it's like okay yeah how many nvme drives do you
actually need um and then uh what's the other difference yeah like more usb ports which
i don't need unless there's a particular feature that's only really present on high-end boards that
i do need uh so one of the things that i use a lot is thunderbolt because i use optical cables
to run my system in various parts of my house that i have conduit running to and i have optical
thunderbolt cables i know where you're going with this just stop the point is if there's a
particular feature that only happens to be present on high-end chipset boards then yeah i guess by
all means spring for it but otherwise no there's no real reason to do that okay cheated luke
uh worst takes uh oh i got one here for luke uh this is from steve luke if you had the opportunity
to use your development team for another company's product or project which would
possibly take time away from floatplane but would provide a bunch of revenue would you do it
i mean he does it every day they don't only work on floatplane.com yeah it's more of like
an internal development team at this point it's like amazing yeah the the company that is floatplane
uh does a lot of different things a ton of different things uh we've we have considered
being a dev house for outside companies before this was a long time ago um and it's a hard it's
a hard sell just because we have so many internal opportunities to work on things to make things
better to to expand what we do in general like there's there's so much that we have to do in
house um that it hasn't made a lot of sense to like kind of like share with an outside company
if you know what i mean um is it possible sure but the way that we would probably do it instead
is just make a tool and then like sell or make that tool available for a subscription or whatever
whatever type of thing makes sense for whatever type of tool it is um probably wouldn't like do
contract work for an outside company that is a thing that dev houses do and they're very good
at it we're just that's great it's just it probably doesn't make sense for us yeah speaking of
floatplane uh there's an exclusive that went up today and i'm not going to name any names
and i'm not going to watch this video but at least one of these people is probably at least a little
spicy oh yeah this is um this is we're posting the full interviews for the what's it like to
work atlanta you read the comments or something or just know the person oh no i just i just know
all these people yeah i work with them and i'm just very sure that at least one of them will be
a little spicy uh for those wondering um that's maria one of our graphic designers uh riley who
i think you know he runs tech linked and have we announced game linked yet well soon he'll be
managing the linked team yeah in general uh that's sarah the one and only ms butt
um also one of our graphic designers and that's tim from the lab
okay here comes another one
with luke calling companies and organizing spinning up their own
llms will smaller companies that collect training data and create custom ais become a new space
for startups hmm can you rephrase the end of that okay he's basically asking is companies
that aggregate data and then create these highly customized uh large language models
gonna be a new space for startups oh uh yes and it's already happening i mean what's really
interesting is um open ai ceo came out very recently and said look the next frontier is
not going to be just building bigger models yeah it's going to be it's going to be building better
models and i think you've basically hit the nail on the head i don't need a generalized model that
was trained on a quadrillion data points necessarily but you might need like one model
that because a huge problem that we're running into is licensing of data and information so a
lot of what llms are currently trained on right now include things like pirated books and other
things that like clearly they should not have access to and then there's things that like is
maybe a little bit of a gray area like reddit posts and stack overflow things and stuff like
that which is currently going through the the ever churning process of capitalism to figure out
how those companies can try to um charge open ai for that access or however that's going to go
so the data set that these things are able to train off in the future is going to be interesting and
it's going to potentially change the current data sets that are out there are out there because
they're open source and downloadable wild west baby people have them you can't take it back at
this point but moving forward it could change and there is absolutely space and this is currently
happening for say a medical model that is trained from uh textbooks or papers from certain publishers
and they have agreements with those publishers in order to have that data and it is trained on
all that information for um helping to educate medical students all the way up to um helping
to inform and drive medical science and medical practice at hospitals and universities and
everything that is currently happening so making llms that are grounded in one specific space is
totally going to be a thing um and is literally already a thing to a certain degree so yeah
awesome okay let's head on to some rapid fire holy crap i didn't even realize this
um but the game linked branding is up oh
it looks pretty good yeah we haven't um yeah we haven't announced anything yet apparently people
are like yeah line is casually just like leaked an upcoming channel uh yeah so we talked about it
before we have we have we have oh okay yeah they're there so briefly oh oh oh oh we got it
we got this moment nice
you think it'll have a 100 000 subscriber plaque before it uh releases a video that'd be kind of
fun that's always should we try and do that i mean i'm down guaranteed success it's not that
i want to take on jack sucks at life for like you know play button collection or whatever but like
i mean i'm always i'm always down for another play button for the wall
um someone someone asked me the other day like um i i i was oh man no no it wasn't you it was
someone else but i was i was showing my my play button wall we were we were shooting at um at my
house oh we shot ivan's amd ultimate tech upgrade this week yeah so one of one of the crew that was
there helping with the shoot was like oh yeah you know her space looks so nice now and so cohesive
and yours just has all those play buttons on that one wall are you gonna put anything
on this wall and i'm like yeah more play but let's go let's go apparently it's past a thousand
already that makes sense that makes a lot of sense now we just have to do that 100 times see look how
easy it is to get 100 000 subscribers yeah no problem just do that then do it 100 times and
then if you want to get a million will you just do that 10 more times and if you want 10 million
we'll do it 10 more times easy yeah i don't know why people think it's so hard slash s slash s we
just relax all day it's very easy there's no stress here i'm okay everything's fine the carpet
isn't for like laying down when you're completely stressed out and need to think the carpets for
just taking naps because that's all that's like half of what people do it's good for crying yeah
okay okay rapid fire come on okay i will rapid fire you're better luke and linus if given an
unlimited budget and only allowed to purchase one single item what would you buy
it's a really hard one to think about immediately the biggest piece of gold
that is a very reasonable answer actually the biggest satchel of money yeah
something that's a good investment not gold depreciates google
microsoft microsoft yeah that's a better answer i'm gonna pivot uh i don't know dude okay next
when is part two of the ultimate gaming minivan coming out never no no no no we're gonna okay
look if i'm gonna have those stupid solar panels on my roof it does look goofy and i can i can i
can hear them when i'm on the highway like this it's not very aerodynamic anymore then darn it
i'm gonna have that like battery system and i'm gonna have those gaming machines never mind that
my kids all every single one of them get really bad motion sickness and probably won't even be
able to use it i want a gaming you can play when we're parked yeah yeah part two of the ncix uh
pc is also coming eventually i think they're making more progress on that one than on the
gaming minivan part two pizza heater no gaming pizza oven hey linus and luke what is your
opinion on interplanetary file system or ipfs as a solution to the centralized internet model
have you ever heard of this uh no it's it yeah sorry me either i guess i suck okay next since
linus has said before that he rides a motorcycle have you ever considered making a jacket
specifically for riding or even a normal jacket with slots for slide-in attachment of riding
armor no it's hard how would you navigate finding an investor or pitch to a company for an
groundbreaking chip and computational method sim testing better than anything we have today power
and performance wise that was a good pitch that sounds like a pitch to me seed investment round
incoming hey seed investment i get it because it's organic what april fool's day video is the
most fun to he also said groundbreaking plan or shoot i don't know they're all so epic and
amazing i i actually i love i love april fools it's my favorite thing um truth about linus tech
tips exposed i i ironically really enjoyed when you just threw the computer case outside and then
we just left the camera on it for like seven minutes or whatever i thought that was hilarious
um i know my sense of humor doesn't necessarily align with everyone's but i thought it was great
referring to why is this so hard yeah this was like 2013 april fools or something here it is
here's the playlist okay so the joke here love that twitch shirt just filming on the street at
the old bling house it's amazing good production values the joke here is that that case i
accidentally unboxed it twice yeah so it was it was on the market and relevant for so long that
literally made two videos without realizing it i made a video about it twice uh doing exactly
the same thing like unboxing and kind of giving an overview of it so what i decided to do because
we just had one kicking around for some reason maybe for a build or something i don't remember
why we had it but i was like haha wouldn't it be funny if i was like lol we're gonna unbox this
case and we do it a third time uh so the video is 13 minutes long which would have been a pretty
typical length for us to kind of sucker people into thinking that it's a real video uh and then
we get as far as taking it out of the box and then wait for it wait for it it's a linus classic
moment yeah that was on purpose by the way you can tell because i'm a very bad actor yeah
not as bad as luke but very bad it's true
and then and now we play the waiting game
we just fill the case in the rain for like 10 minutes or something and people
a bunch of people like hated this i thought it was so funny i loved this so much
just the whole rest of the video so the thing that is amazing that's art yeah so the thing is
wow this uh timeline thumbnail feature didn't exist then yeah yeah yeah yeah so people would
watch yeah to say that people weren't that thrilled um yeah people didn't really like it
but it's like actually one of my favorite ones just because i just my sense of humor just really
enjoys that um okay so hold on a second where wait with that where'd that playlist go oh
seriously no how is this navigation so bad i clicked on okay yeah here it is so here's the
playlist oh no the playlist was two down oh dang it so i can't see my screen this mic is in front
of it okay here it is yeah playlist okay pause okay this is what i was supposed to do i blame
the user pepcak okay 2016 that was when we made the video claiming we'd been bought out by nvidia
the number of people that believed that in terms of believability i think this might have been the
strongest one because it was a completely straight face delivery of something that
i don't know on the surface of it could kind of make sense nvidia wanting a media company as part
of their portfolio or something um and the number of people so part of our part of our april fools
planning is that i tend to lean into some kind of conversation or some kind of they're topical to
a certain degree perception and at that time one of the the big narratives that existed for whatever
reason was that i had my lips wrapped firmly around nvidia's throbbing ego and so i basically
went okay well given that people believe this anyway why don't we give them what they want and
claim that we've been outright purchased by nvidia and so the number of people that believed this one
was probably the highest out of any um the following year this one did pretty well that this
didn't take a lot of planning i just like wrote it up it's only a two-minute video it was pretty
quick this one took no planning so you asked which one was the most fun to plan um this one
was really fun to plan because it involved pyrotechnics which i always love that was real
fire in the video man the number of comments insulting our vfx uh talking about what a poor
job we did of the fake fire it's like take off your tinfoil hat it's literally real fun you ain't
as cool as you think you are that is actual fire and it's not like we did anything really weird or
complicated we just took a can of hairspray and just lit it and blew it through the the grate in
the door you're not you're not clever you're not you're not seeing through the like that's like
someone who's seen too much vfx yeah maybe and not enough actual real fire yeah i guess i'm like
wait this doesn't look like my vfx that's bad it must be bad vfx no it's just fire chill out
um the fire pole one was kind of fun but very last minute the execution was not that great
i think that's probably my least favorite you and i actually went down it you know what
this is my favorite the concrete cooled pc that was pretty sick i i didn't get to be
as involved in the planning of this one i love the i love the only fans one but
um i think the concrete pc is my favorite because that was one that i pushed hard for what one do
you think is the best because i think the the actual execution and the end result of the product
of the we need to talk potato farm was like outstanding very very good it's definitely the
best production value one um in terms of which one was most profitable that's got to be this
review gets stranger and stranger the never-ending segue where every sponsor did pay us for it
it's like unbelievable but i still love the concrete cooled pc one because
everyone internally was like this is too stupid nobody will believe this and the number of people
that legitimately were like how'd they do that i'm surprised this worked and i've read a lot
of comments i can tell the difference between the ones who are playing along and the ones that are
definitely not just playing along a significant number of people believed we cooled the pc with
concrete asked follow-up questions we're legitimately curious to learn more about it
and we did such a good job of matching the color of the milk to the concrete and the way that we
filmed it the way we filmed it out of order to kind of movie magic the whole thing together
i was on set with alex the whole time filming it and he was telling me the whole time this is not
going to come together i'm like no i have a vision this time just trust me trust me bro
and then at the end he's like all right all right that's pretty sweet
okay ready for a few more yeah okay let's switch back to potential here my family uses iMessage to
discuss important info and many of my non-social media friends use group text as sm uh tips for
those who are trapped by apple stubbornness to use rcs uh eu usbc type law for rcs is signal
all right now he's got to convince his parents to move over too that's
i'm getting a little fatigued on the amount of different messaging things that i have
and needing to remember how every individual person likes to be contacted it's fine here's
my folder of all my messaging apps oh i yeah it tires me out a little bit here here name
anyone and i'll tell you where i talk to them uh no all right since you're so close to alberta
and make a decent and fairly priced versions of whatever you set your mind to can we please get
an ltt cowboy hat uh no i should i should offer a little bit more i shouldn't just be dismissive
the reason that i wouldn't is because i tend to focus our product development efforts on things
where we are passionate and uh feel that we have something to contribute to add yeah something to
contribute i think there's a lot of people who are passionate about cowboy hats and make really great
cowboy hats and power to them we have a store like literally legitimately basically down the
street from here that sells that kind of stuff but that's not a thing that we're exactly known for
you know so yeah hey guys love the show watch it religiously question for luke i am currently i
have two budgies and they provide endless entertainment what are some of your favorite
moments as a bird owner i was just thinking you put a little knock to a fan in the back
there you go that's what you can add uh make it out of alpaca fur
uh what is my favorite thing that they do what's your favorite bird memory
favorite bird memories is pretty easy okay i'll answer that one um our first bird taquito there
was a fire um near my apartment like a i don't remember if it was a forest fire or it was the
another more different fire that i'm not going to specify fire because i don't want to
i want to give away where i'm at but there was a fire that was leaving a lot of smoke in the air
and a solution that i came up with was uh to bring the the bird in the cage and everything
into the bathroom and then run the shower so that there was a little bit of a barrier and the
moisture in the air and the shower would yeah so that was the plan um and i i didn't know what to
do i didn't know if he was gonna freak out um because he's like had never been into my room
let alone the bathroom attached to it had never been next to a shower all this type of stuff but
i put the cage down i just lay down next to the cage and i'm just like i i play music that he
likes and he was just stoked he was like oh sick we're gonna hang out oh that's cool and he just
like played around and sung songs and was just happy and cool about it and that was just that
was a cool moment i tend to if you listen to me tell stories about anything i tend to enjoy the
ones where there's a large conflict and we are able to overcome win yeah all right next oh give
me one more you want one more okay one more um hi future me i would love to see a way to listen
to the show like an audio podcast on float plane for when i am driving is there some audio podcast
that you are listening to on a regular basis oh that wasn't where i thought that was gonna go me
too uh that was that was a statement we could upload an audio form of the for sure that's
possible yeah can we can we do that that would just have to be process involved who does that
don't we support audio yes yeah someone would have to you know yeah do it but that's like a
linus media group process not a float plane process that has to be changed right yeah i
think there was something on my to-do list to like look at the podcast for like workflow uh i'll see
if i can automate that okay uh typing okay cool because you can also like edit the post afterwards
and add it okay yeah it would just do like an auto-generated why don't we do a topic while you
work on that then okay i'll get that done by the end of the show uk regulators have blocked
the microsoft activision blizzard deal yeah which like might be a good thing i don't know i don't
know enough about this but the reason for it was kind of funky yeah that doesn't make a ton of sense
to me yeah um so i'm trying to find this i'll read through it once i find uh there it is um uk
regulators have blocked microsoft's proposed acquisition of activision blizzard on the grounds
that it will reduce competition in cloud gaming which is the competition uh and markets which
which the competition and markets authority sees as a low-cost alternative to consoles sure because
it sort of is uh microsoft does control around 60 to 70 percent of the cloud gaming market
which is less than one percent of the total global gaming market however regulators cited estimates
that it will grow to around nine percent of the market by 2026 i haven't seen a ton of things
moving that direction to be completely honest yeah so i don't know where that number is necessarily
coming from but nine percent would be a lot of the gaming market to be happening over the cloud
instead of like that would have a very major that would have a significant impact on web traffic
yeah like that's genuinely okay that's a that's a big number that i i would kind of bet against
to be completely honest um again i don't know if this should happen or not i'm not weighing in on
that i just the the reasoning seems funky um blizzard has been struggling with ugly labor
disputes and their stock prices dropped 11 after the announcement was made while microsoft's own
stock rose by eight percent i'm surprised it's honestly that low they've been kind of killing it
um an act of vision spokesperson has said that they will work aggressively with microsoft to
appeal the decision and that the uk is clearly closed for business that's a sex thing work
aggressively together that sounds like a euphemism i do know this is this is uh like if i said i was
going to work aggressively with you what would you you know think of that i may no doubt
hr is not needed if there's no problem um
uh i do know blizzard is having a problem right now where they're losing a lot of talent
uh apparently they hired people during covid um that like was under the stand under that which
were hired with the understanding that they were full-time work from home permanently right and
then they have called them into work so some of these people were hired living nowhere even near
to blizzard and now they need to come into work which there's problems with that because they
don't live near a blizzard they probably don't have snow tires already relocating uh your entire
family is an issue now these people might have to live in much higher cost of living areas higher
temperature areas based on where blizzard is that's actually very likely true for for where
these people are are probably coming from um but yeah it's it's an issue so a lot of those people
are just saying like no uh see uh i quit i guess that's a really rude hand gesture in some places
but okay is it peace uh this is peace did you do it backwards what is that you didn't show the back
of your hand did you oh we gotta blur that inform me don't worry about it what is it okay
i genuinely don't know um anyways they're saying peace and then leaving um
man it shouldn't even be allowed for two gestures to be that similar and one of them's cool and one
of them's not that's ridiculous well i mean what what was it okay and white power being the exact
same hand gesture but just the orientation if you do scuba diving come on if you do scuba diving
it's like oh well i mean it's so dark i can't tell what color any of us are down here
oh man um in the uk the backwards peace site is a middle finger why i don't anyways moving on um
yeah so a lot of them are quitting so they're having this huge like brain drain talent issue
and it's kind of weird because a lot of actually good things for blizzard in regards to development
and getting timelines underway and roadmaps and all this kind of stuff
happened over the covid period with all these people working from home so like
i don't know but yeah
oh colorado confirms farmers right to repair colorado is the first state to pass a law
guaranteeing farmers the right to repair their own equipment manufacturers will be required to
provide parts embedded software firmware tools and any relevant documentation to equipment owners and
independent repair providers failing to provide these resources will be considered a deceptive
trade practice under colorado law very good very good manufacturers will no longer be allowed to
discourage owners from making their own repairs or require independent repair providers to undergo
any kind of certification to become an authorized repair provider so it just has to be you know free
market and you have to be a good repair provider and have a good reputation and business will come
and that's how it's supposed to work john deere stated that the law is unnecessary
oh yeah and will have unintended consequences for its customers
well yeah unintended by you we know what your intentions were you jackasses uh john deere is
facing a class action lawsuit for alleged monopolization of repair services as well as
several antitrust lawsuits now i can't wait for this to come for the mcdonald's ice cream machines
well there's actually like a bunch of do you know about that some contract that they have
yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah um there are currently 15 other states with pending right
to repair legislation for farmers and colorado has recently passed another law ensuring the
right to repair motorized wheelchairs oh cool like i'm really thinking about that
but that totally makes sense is this finally happening slowly but maybe i keep hearing
whenever this type of stuff happens i keep hearing like oh yeah right to repair win
and then a few days later you hear like uh yeah but it's bad yeah this one seems bill they snuck
in a bunch of stuff this one seems like it might actually be good it seems yeah which is really
exciting yeah it's good yeah float plane chat all my homies hate monopolies 100 exactly last topic
i think no i'm bored of that one okay i think it's boring all right let's switch to wancho
after dark all right you ready dan people on lmg clips are super confused about what about wancho
after dark because it's really dark sometimes there's just a clip no context dark yeah they
don't know about wancho after dark yet so our wancho homies who actually watch the show
um you know if you see people confused help point them toward the light or will the dark
yeah point them toward the answer
how uh how overwhelmed are the message boards today dan
a little bit overwhelming you did a couple segments where i had to not be at my desk
but i almost got through it and now we're here uh so towel sales are up seven thousand eight
hundred and sixty seven percent that makes sense where does that number come from no seriously
though how do you derive that from 239 units i bet you it's an average over time and we ran out
of stock of the other ones right yeah so it would have been zero for a very long time maybe we sold
one zero before then in the last you know three months so then it's like point something yeah
okay yeah that makes sense cool uh most popular items today you didn't ask but i'm answering it
for you our towels you guys are super into the towels being restocked you know what that's
probably a combination of also people having yeah back in stock notifications uh screwdriver always
popular uh northern lights t-shirt yeah the northern lights t-shirt is gonna be a killer
it's a good design yeah um then a bunch of freebies animal sticker packs uh what else we
got here screwdriver bit sets we sell so many more bit sets than i imagined we would i just kind of
thought most people would be like yeah i don't know it's a screwdriver i'll just use whatever
the bits of come nope nope the attach rate on bit sets is like over 30 i think it's like 40 or
something like that yeah it's wild um backpacks oh right that makes sense because we are doing
the promo today um free sequin pillow is that towel actually white someone's asking if it's
actually white or gray it looks actually white to me i would say that is i think we should update
the color on the site to say actually white yeah i i kind of like that name for uh i kind of like
that name for uh just you know a white you know it's like uh it's a great way to describe a karen
you know all right dan hit me sure just let me give me a second
uh okay all right first first up uh linus what amount per month would it take to have youtube
premium remove all ads both adsense and in video i'm starting to see videos with 50 ad reads not
ltt youtube premium is supposed to get rid of ads well it would be irresponsible of me or
it would be dishonest of me to not bring up that there is a solution to that problem
um it doesn't work on every platform but there's a third-party extension called sponsor block
that will actually remove self-promotion uh baked in advertising obviously as a content creator i'm
going to give you the other side of that coin um you know i can't speak for everyone else but i
will say that we're always trying to find a good balance of um talking about services we offer like
floatplane talking about the merch on ltt store talking about um are the sponsors that help make
our production possible not everyone finds the right balance but they also might be going through
harder times than then you know they they they they might need it so as i as i've said in the
past and as i will continue to say because nothing other people say about it really changes anything
you just you gotta you gotta understand what you're doing um if that's the price of admission
that they set for the content then if you want to consume that content they're the ones who set the
price um there's also nothing that they can do to prevent you from just you know pressing the arrow
key like that's another really quick way of skipping something if you don't want to watch it
no one no one can force you to watch something that you don't want to watch um so yeah you just
gotta you gotta weigh how much you want to support the creators that you watch and presumably this
is creators you watch right because otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up with me um and
how much you are willing to not support them knowing that if you don't support them at some
point they could go away or their model could shift and they might not be able to make the
content that you're apparently enjoying okay up next oh i didn't actually answer the question
what amount would it take per month um i think the best way for me to answer that
is to refer back to our how does lmg make money 2020 update so we've got a breakdown here
uh here we go i hate that the preview doesn't take you like see this preview
that doesn't take you to before that image i consider that a bug
that should take you to before that image that you will see that image
anyway 22 oh oh shoot it's not done yet do we when do we fill out the whole thing gosh darn it
linus get on with it here we go okay so right now 18 oh this is 2016
where's 2020 thank ya it's great it's a good good platform good good good content creator
all right so in 2020 26 of our revenue was adsense with 27 being in video sponsor spots and sponsored
projects so based on this alone i would say that there would be absolutely no need for us to have
in video sponsor spots or sponsored projects which both kind of fall under sponsored videos
if our cpms were triple what they are with that said i don't think that content creators would
necessarily see it that way like if youtube came to us and said yeah we're gonna we're gonna triple
your payout um i think that i mean i can't speak for everyone but i think that for myself i would
go sick let's hire more people and build more right so i wouldn't necessarily stop making
sponsorship spots or you know float plane reads or whatever else into our videos i'd probably
just try to build it build it bigger i feel like that will always be linus's answer um
yeah i i i gotta be me we we had a call earlier this week with with a company who was very very
surprised at the amount of stuff that we do and the amount of like collaboration between teams
that we need they were like we have literally never seen this and i'm like yeah it's not
surprising but we still need this to work yeah i'm going to leave it vague like that but like
yeah i i think if there's opportunity to do more stuff it's pretty much always going to be taken
as long as it's reasonable i guess okay next up what's your favorite memory of
experiencing new tech did anything blow your mind for the first time you saw it thanks for the great
content he's gonna say vr um actually no i had a different thing i was gonna say but i was fighting
between the two of them in my head the the the bing chat reaction that we had on wan was like
pretty sick yeah certainly recently that's my favorite memory though that's the biggest
mind absolutely blown moment yeah i mean there's been so many and and there's different ways for
your mind to be blown right like my mind was very blown uh the first time i was able to game in
stereo 3d yeah yeah having that at home in my lifetime wasn't a thing that had existed and in
such a such a compact manageable package like that that batman arkham asylum 3d vision was
sick and then the fact that you could do it with projectors like wow so cool um but like sometimes
i'm just blown away by the value of something you know like what about what about the the
the bang for the buck of the 8800 gt i mean i don't think anything will ever touch it again
um 8800 was a hell of a time it was a it was a wonderful time for pc gaming oh yeah it was good
future felt bright yeah but then like recently man uh we were doing this a small form factor
build that the video is not up yet but it's coming soon but i for i forget what the watch
of it is but it was like a 1200 watt power supply and it's like this big what right like i don't
know my mind my entire job is basically to get my mind blown on a regular basis
yeah it's no wonder i'm always so relaxed in such a good mood
hit me again you're also very honest uh all right next up luke and linus what are your thoughts on
game devs hosting old but still popular multiplayer games like team forces 2 without anti-cheat
updates and instead relying entirely on modded and community support this might not be taken
super people might not like me for this is what i should say but sure it's better than them taking
everything out and offlining the game completely it's not like the best solution if there's a lot
of people still playing your game i would like to see it supported but when was tf2 first launch
oh my god like 15 years ago or something like orange box 2007 it was launched before orange box
2004 then maybe no 2007 yeah october 10 2004 wait no that is the orange box it wasn't
launched with orange box yeah it was 2004 was half-life 2 half-life no wait hold on
it was launched alongside portal wasn't it these are like the only two dates that i know
yeah portal came out in october 2007 oh wow it was with orange box i thought it
existed before orange box no crazy okay well never mind then um yeah it's been
a lot of years i think it would be quite the stretch to expect companies to
support games for longer than that yes it still has a big player base but then are you asking
companies they're also still making money on that game so i do expect support but go on are they
what are they talking about hat trading simulator yeah they they sell the hats you can buy them i
think so i thought they were just like random loot i don't know i don't you have to buy unlock
keys unlock crates to unlock the hat can you buy keys yeah and i think there's also crafting
if they're still profiting off of it like damn yeah they should still support it properly
yes 100 yeah um if they're not profiting off of it anymore um then it is what it is at least
they're keeping it up there and they have the availability of people being able to
patch things that's great yeah apparently it's big for gambling oh great
all right that's one another one hey llnd and future me i always watch the show the next
morning but do you think there's any good way to have a town square social platform that truly
truly reaches everyone and can be a public utility in my utopian nirvana yes um it in order for it to
be a public utility it would have to actually have to be publicly owned so it would have to
be government run and to be government run and still viable it would have to be efficient which
is sort of a contradiction right so we want it to be run with the efficiency of a cutthroat for
profit enterprise but we want it to have the the openness of a publicly funded entity like a library
or a school um no i don't me either i don't see a path to that i mean i would i would have liked
to believe that you know through something like blockchain technology you you could build
something like that but the crypto community has been really busy building ponzi schemes
so they haven't really had time for um it's super sick that no one cares about nfts anymore though
i do enjoy that yeah it's very fun has anyone created a like a how much did they lose website
that just has a summary of that would be very who lost the most money on nfts that would be sweet
more more more yeah i don't yeah i really just don't see a solution and anyone who thinks that
the current solution on twitter is an actual solution is has missed the boat is it better
than is it better than not having it absolutely not having like one ego driven billionaire who's
the arbiter of you know what is what is truth and what is you know right um is not
actually not a solution that's that that's that's actually medieval like no
yeah next one yep hey dll you pretty much have a rapid prototyping team for
anything you can think of with the specs of four framework modules being open source
what's a module you'd like to make looking forward to ltx oh man i don't know my framework laptop
already kind of does everything that i need it to do other than you know oh it'd be great if
someone could make a way to plug an rj45 jack into it without having a you know butt hanging off of
the bottom yeah great like that would be awesome but i don't have a solution for that at least not
anything durable so but i don't know i can't think of anything particularly it has the modules that
i would want if i was configuring one it has the things that i would want yeah no like cup holder
or anything cup holder i mean that's this big dan what kind of cup are you gonna put in it
oh it expands out uh next up okay luke and linus what is a past purchase price that you often
compare new purchases to or that was particularly good value two of mine were a ps3 for 300 and
test three morrowind for one dollar so this includes deals um my perception of value
crystallized and i think about 1996 when a a candy bar from the dollar store cost one dollar
yeah and so nowadays um i basically can't i can't get myself to buy snacks unless they're like
a buck or maybe like two dollars it's very i have a really hard time with it it's very
funny to me that you brought up the candy bar for a dollar thing because a can of pop being a dollar
a candy bar being a dollar and gas being like under a dollar is singed in my brain yeah if i
see a chocolate bar that's more than a dollar which is all of them no it's not really yeah
in the in the packs at like superstore they're like 80 cents oh but you have to buy like a
bunch of them right yeah okay but i'm talking like a single one i'm just saying a dollar candy
bar is absolutely still a thing sustainable yeah i but when i see that on the shelf single chocolate
bar especially when they're like 250 yeah when you get like the fancy ones i just immediately
they're just like oh i used i used vending machines until about grade eight and that's
when they moved from a dollar to a dollar 25 for a soda and i was like that's too much i guess i
just don't drink this anymore it's probably good yeah yeah that was the best thing that ever
happened to me was vending machine machine prices going up increasing past one loonie yeah
okay up next linus with call me chris moving because of stocking all accredited to her showing
her place in a house tour has this changed your mind about how you shoot videos at your home
not really i mean i am not subject to the same kind of i guess scrutiny that chris is
which is which is very lucky i'm very grateful for that i don't know whether it's audience
composition or being male or being a tech channel rather than something like where people form
more intense parasocial relationships some combination of all those factors
other factors i haven't considered but the the address of my place of work has been
common knowledge for eight years um i ain't hard to find nobody does it which is good and right i
mean that type of thing has been true for a long time like tv stations a huge i mean you could
literally often walk behind the glass on like the ground floor tv stations and like wave into
the camera like this type of stuff has been possible for a while and most people are not
creeps yeah most they exist but yeah but some of them are and uh you know i'm very very grateful
to our community for not being awful people um yeah no i i can't say it's really changed my mind
about anything because if i couldn't make videos about what i'm doing would you even watch them
like i that's the whole that's the whole point right that it's youtube it's not fabrication tube
right yeah it's it's a really bad situation though
do you want to get a better paint job at the new place yeah we can only hope chris if you're
watching i will happily i will happily help you out with your painting the last collab was
fantastic so that'd be fun yeah i'm down well we won't build a computer this time because
that was painful but we'll paint more yes yep yeah i mean this is the rest of the show dan
you gotta prompt me heather i keep interrupting you um no no you're good just talk over us you're
trying to get this thing done right yeah sure uh yeah boss okay uh wondering how the pool at
linus's house is coming along i curated this i certainly didn't wait isn't there you go oh
oh you gotta you gotta blow a raspberry as well
oh jeez so yeah how's it going sounds good yeah i'm sure perfectly if everything goes
according to plum this is a very first world problem but it's just a ridiculous problem
instead of laying all the tiles one way some of the tiles on the sides go this way and the tiles
on the ends go that way they offered to redo it and we're just like no just just get it done
if everything goes according to plan it will be ugly but finished in three weeks
i don't believe it i've heard this before oh yeah i um i don't know i'm on the fence
man i don't know whether to name and shame these guys at the end i'm very tempted though
they've basically done every scummy contractor trick in the book um and some that weren't in
any books that i read because i don't read in polite books like that i like
to a certain degree i think you probably should well here's the problem because they shouldn't
be able to do that um i want them to never do business again yeah right like based on what's
going on but here's the thing based on what i've gleaned about their operation and what i can
assume to be at least a reasonably accurate guess um i think that they are in dire straits right now
and are using funding from one project to work on another and then collecting money from that
and then using that to continue to work on the other and they're kind of bouncing around between
job sites right now so if i destroy their means to collect any more money at all um i could be
ultimately screwing over some of those clients as well
do i have a responsibility for that collateral damage
he has to throw up just thinking about he's very conflicted feeling right now he's
oh what did you eat not on the carpet disgusting not on the carpet what that's my crying carpet oh
were you insinuating i was like farting or something throwing up ah yes very stinky um
yeah i don't know but at the same time they could be acquiring new customers
yeah so then it's a tough spot to be in for sure if they in good faith are just going through a
bad time and trying to use the new customers to get everything done and they're like gonna try
and get caught up do you think that's what's happening no yeah because it doesn't seem like it
yeah i don't think so
i don't know it's rough yeah okay next up hi lld i work in an environment with a
with very few tech savvy people and a lot of efficiency issues
how would you approach trying to get through the resistance to tech we experience with publishing
huh um publishing i don't know you just kind of have to wait for people to retire out at a
certain point like people are people can be pretty set in their ways and it's not constructive but
there's a there's a i i forget what this you know law or this bias or whatever is called but there's
a there's sometimes a lot of um a lot of justifiability to the well if it ain't broke
don't fix it approach yeah like we create a lot of inefficiencies by by just throwing more tech
at the problem right like it cuts both ways but largely you're probably right that a little more
tech would go a long way but how to fix it i don't know it's tough i was actually meant to
make this a topic um and maybe i'll hijack this message and turn it into a topic right now but
i went to uh nasa at houston last last technically sort of weekend and also earlier this week
i wasn't gonna say it because i wasn't sure if you were gonna talk about it for whatever reason
but yeah no no it sounded like a sick trip absolutely amazing absolutely incredible the
the the people that brought us down there the the like two main people that that well the main
person who reached out is a part of the like mission control center design group sick it has
a different name i believe it's called flight operations but basically they design so each
mission has a slightly different mission control center because they're going for like these crazy
efficiency levels and there's different demands and all this type of stuff so they will design
a new mission control center for every mission and i sort of thought that there was like one
and like i know like spacex has one but i thought nasa had like a mission control center i don't
know why i thought that i just did no there's like a bunch oh they're all in the same building but
there's a bunch and when you walk through them they are they're a little bit different because
they're slightly different demands and these people have to try to push new tech onto these
operators that will have to now train on this new tech and use it so they this might be someone who
has worked this one very hyper intense we talked about like the things that they have to do you
have to listen to the loop of all conversations going on and pull out keywords that might involve
something that you have to do so you're constantly listening to multiple conversations at a time
and have to be operating at like really really high levels critical level yeah yeah just your
whole shift really really intense so like if you want to push uh a new keyboard setup
sure yeah you're gonna you're gonna take the morack now yeah like there's probably going to
be a lot of resistance and with pretty good reason you might have good reasons too right this is more
efficient we think you can do it this way so you can get this thing done with slightly less clicks
you can do whatever blah blah blah this mouse is faster whatever but if something is battle tested
already there's a lot of resistance because i mean it's not broken and like lives are on the
line lives and billions of dollars so like it's tough very very interesting conversations i think
you should absolutely go make videos there i met a pr person talked to them about it they're
interested what i really want to do is the first manned mission to uh either to go around the moon
or to land on the moon i want to have you work with these mission control center designer guys
to make a video on how you design the like computer and electronics and networking and
video feeds and everything for a mission control center for a manned launch which is like way more
intense than an unmanned launch to be clear um luke is not a moon landing denialist he meant
the first moon landing mission in a long time oh yeah yeah sorry sorry sorry well okay what i was
really talking about was uh the first one where they set up a base i i just i'm sure i said it
poorly i'm a little bit too excited because it was an extremely fun trip yeah you guys um but
yeah they were talking about like the difficulties there but also the understanding that like
there's reasons why these people would push back and it is actually a good thing because you kind
of end up in the middle balance and they are constantly like they have this one display which
is a like control center from like uh i shouldn't say control center uh uh an individual person's
control unit in a mission control center they have like three of them from three different
generations yeah and like you can see the similarities between like the first ones that
they have and the ones that they have now yeah but they have made a lot of thin evolutionary changes
yeah yeah i mean i guess having that push and pull is a very natural thing like it's kind of like how
uh you know we have departments that are incentivized that are given incentives that
are opposed to each other you know for example the business team has the objective of generating as
much sponsorship revenue as possible but the content team has the objective of getting as
many views as possible well surely the most profitable thing would be to just upload
sponsor read after sponsor read and the most viewable thing would be to have no sponsors
whatsoever and just make whatever you want so you've got to kind of need this back and forth
to land in the right spot so it's it's very interesting and the writing team has um output
targets but then i have quality targets and so does the editing team and so it's like well yeah
we sure we could output more but we can't output that so you're gonna have to go back to the drawing
board then yep yep luke denies luke lunar landing confirmed yep 100 i just said it wrong someone
said leave in the moon wake up sheeple samsung proved it's fake captain ran in full plane chat
said 75 of the planet is water and none of it is carbonated the earth is flat i thought that was
really funny that's the first time i've heard that that's amazing okay wow yeah that was an
actually incredible trip there's a few other ideas that i have for for content pieces you might be
able to make around that uh but we'll we'll talk later but they're all like super cool i was trying
to pitch av1 um because like you know network connections can be kind of rough uh but there's
like a lot of issues he was talking to me about and this totally makes sense but radiation in
space is like way more of a problem right we have issues down here when there's like a solar flare
you might have bit flips yeah well they have those problems like just all the time right and they
have they have like space weather experts that can try to predict this stuff coming up but it still
doesn't help you from a bunch of bit flips all happening at the same time right um and like
there's also cosmic radiation that comes from not just the sun so you can't necessarily see
it coming uh and they they set up systems where like they'll have three computers doing the same
things and they'll vote on a result instead of just having one computer control it so like if
two of them agree or hopefully all three of them agree then you can be pretty sure that it's good
but it's decently common that one of them will be like a bit flipped and just be like oh this other
thing so i just very interesting the type of problems that they have to deal with you which
you might not necessarily expect um but apparently av1 is an issue because of licensing agreements
all this type of stuff i don't know anyways yeah dan and darren um we're working on an x-ray
machine you're what for the lab yes yeah i want one thank you awesome kind of sick yeah all right
my whole thing with the lab is i never want the excuse to be you didn't give us the proper
equipment don't don't say that publicly i already did oh say it again i never want the excuse to be
that i didn't give you the proper equipment good that's a great approach yeah i love it
uh okay next up hello linus and luke i recently inherited a micro cloud server the super micro
939-20 12 rails with two xeons ram and storage on each rail any ideas what i should do with it
in my home is that 24 CPUs what are 12 rails 12 individual blade servers yeah i was gonna say i
think it was just oh it's got 12 individual servers with two xeons in them each um
wow uh micro cloud it looks like it's a 4u unit uh wow yeah so i can't even find that model
939-20 yeah i i cannot find that um any ideas what i should do with it for my home
my home hmm with that kind of power consumption no i might i mean you could use one of them as like
uh you know a plex server or something maybe but the reality of it is like uh you know you could
definitely use them for learning still you know if you wanted to um like if you wanted to just
learn about storage and configure them or if you wanted to use them to create a whole bunch
of clients and learn about active directory like i don't know there's a reason people build home
labs but in terms of practical use for it pretty hard to say there's a i'm gonna jump back sorry
i'm excited about this topic uh someone in full plane chat said they use specialized power pc
processors that are radiation hardened and are manufactured on older process nodes um i think
some of them are based on the power pc g3 which was also used in a 1998 imac yeah so we didn't
talk about the specific processors but we did talk about how some modern process nodes can be
an issue because when they have a bit of radiation come in that's gonna flip a bunch of bits having
the transistors further apart yeah can actually help less data problems right that makes sense
very interesting also they were talking about how just in general a lot of older hardware has less
problems with radiation that makes sense for a bunch of different reasons bigger fatter traces
yep that's and those that's not being made is like actually a an issue for nasa moving forward
very very interesting yeah so no idea what you're gonna make them do with this micro cloud server
i don't want to be a party pooper but like i said just probably sell it yeah it's a bit of a
ridiculous thing uh hi linus you're the best what's your opinion on some of the concept tech products
i really like the nothing phone 2 concept first of all no um i i think i'm all right
but uh the best is wow that's thank you but no um nothing phone 2 i actually haven't seen this
and what what's your on some of the concept tech products concept what makes it a concept
concept parameters um all right well here let's have a look here
okay i mean yeah it looks pretty cool i guess i don't know which other things you're um
you're saying are our concept products but yeah that looks pretty cool we can move on i think sorry
hello luke linus and dan do you think that the work
valve has put into dvxk plus proton can be applied to mac os what with the metal
to vulcan translation layer molten vk why does apple lock out gamers i can't figure out what
apple has against gamers to be perfectly honest with you it's baffling especially when you
consider that on the one hand they do totally recognize that gaming is a huge market and even
a huge revenue source for them now through the app store through apple arcade i
i i i i can't fathom it yeah um especially when like they didn't they own no i don't think they
owned bungee but like halo was initially gonna be a mac exclusive yeah they had tons of exclusive
games back in the day yeah and now nowadays it's like watching a bunch of you know boomers who have
never touched a video game when they do gaming demos on stage it's bizarre like it it wasn't
like that if you watch apple keynotes from like back in the 90s they talked about gaming gaming
was a thing i i have no idea what happened um as for like a translation layer i mean yeah i guess
but i i wouldn't put the work into it honestly
by the way i missed something on the store earlier we now have women's v-necks
oh cool yeah so this uh sketchy pc design is available in an actual like women's shirt okay
sorry that was it dan hit me sorry i was just responding to some more um let's see
there are many things i would like to do this year despite gpt helping me become more efficient
i am still barely able to get my basic stuff done how do you manage your time to run ltt plus the
other llcs yeah um a lot of help right i have a hundred people that help me do it so it's
i don't think i do a great job of managing my time these days
he agrees but he's busy typing so he's not really listening to what i'm saying
no but i do agree like i i don't know i don't i don't know what i don't have a solution so i
try not to complain about it too much because i've tried to get over that um but yeah it's
like impossible to meet about you meet with you about important things uh like the full
play meeting this week got cancelled it's just like man okay but like i again i don't have a
solution for it it's just tough hit me sure um that's all basically all i've got for curated
um you guys have lots of potentials to go through still um let's just start firing through them
okay which which which end am i eating from oh you go from the bottom if you want okay
um ryan's oh oh am i supposed to read them out or not however you want to do this you can either
reply to them via text or we can read them out rapid fire interesting i don't think we've
decided on that i think while we're doing other merch messages you guys kind of go through the
potentials um by the way a good suggestion came in through merch messages we should switch the low
the logo to like a wan show after dark logo or something cool like that yeah i've already put
it on my to do list to have a look at that thanks dan uh c ryan t says i enjoy rancho more when
there's fewer questions and more discussion about them have you thought about cutting off
merch messages halfway through the show and switching to an upvote system upvote system
is a pretty cool idea however the curation that we're doing is not just based on what people want
to see because we end up with a lot of duplicate stuff we'd end up with a lot of uh just you know
what the latest drama is i think it would really change the tone of merge messages over time when
we're going out of our way to create a particular tone to the discussion um as for switching them
off halfway i don't think we would want to do that from a business standpoint we definitely
want people to order from ltt store uh so turning them off is bad but i like the idea i like where
it's coming from i think if we were going to do an upvote system for questions we'd probably just
do another ama it's been kind of a while yeah something like that could make sense yeah okay
well build an ama system and then we'll do it on float all righty then you could just make a post
asking for questions and you could reply to them like a reddit thread if you wanted can i just
shout out our team that works on merch messages real quick here team yeah i know but like good
job conrad gotta give credit to the team you know i mean there is other people involved technically
but yeah yeah okay so this is really cool this was sitting in incoming and i almost finished
replying to it and someone moved it into potential so it disappeared and that text is still here so
all i had to do was add s to my signature and now i have replied to it super cool supposed to be
doing potentials not incoming i am doing potential see they moved it into oh i see yes i screwed that
uh anonymous asks i'm in i'm a 20-something wanting to start a youtube business
what keeps you going during the difficult times and if things didn't work out at what point do
you just call it and move on i can get along being jobless um okay what keeps you going during the
difficult times i mean for me the biggest thing that gets me out of bed in the morning is that
if i don't come here other people will have nothing to do and will ultimately lose their jobs
there are definitely times i mean when i posted the i'm thinking of retiring video
i probably would have just done it if it wasn't for the responsibility to the team
i i had i was either debt-free or i had uh i had being debt-free on the horizon
that is no longer the case but at that time i did um and i just you know was was feeling
i was feeling pretty unmotivated but if i quit then everyone quits which sucks that's stupid
so here i am right as far if it doesn't work out at what point do you call it i'd say when you
stop enjoying it because the thing about youtube is that you've got to find a passion and like i
said in that video i just had to find a different framing device for my passion i had to get
passionate about something different and if i hadn't been able to do it i would have had to
call it so if you're just not passionate about it anymore there's no way you're going to be
able to create passion in others so it's time to it's probably time to call it okay i've got
a curated one here for you hit me hi dll i recently screen shared a chat where we were
talking trash about a vendor on a call with that vendor what's your most embarrassing screen share
moment this isn't a screen share but uh something that i used to do when playing okay so this is
like back in the day when we used a program called ventrilo this is far before uh the the discords
of the world but it's it's essentially discord but a super long time ago kids used mumble
but there was a there was a run flag that you could put on ventrilo so you could open more
than one of them you could join two different servers at the same time and if you set up your
key binds in a certain way oh you could you could mic up for one of them and not mic up for the
other one so if you're playing like classic wow in 2004 uh and you and your buddies are in a raid
with 40 other people and you want to be in the comms for the main raid because you're supposed
to be or whatever and then you want to be in comms with just you and your friends so you can like
um just talk trash or do whatever uh pressing the wrong key bind and saying something could be bad
right yep and that happened sick i actually can't really think of anything right now
i've definitely screen shares actually stuff on wan oh yeah oh okay that's that was pretty good
oh yeah yeah there was the time that i leaked uh everyone's salaries yeah
yeah how ironic
okay let's move on back to potentials that's the only cure i got
okay uh sean asks we just celebrated our dog's first birthday uh you might be a little spoiled
do y'all celebrate birthdays or got your days for your pets uh no not personally
me either i actually don't know how old dash is and there's no excuse because we know when she
we knew when she was born at some point just like i don't know she's a cat i love her but
she's got kitty i how old is she cat i kitty yeah emma likes to tell this story where i was hanging
out with her family and one of her family members asked me um how young my brother's daughter was
and i said under a year old
yeah luke and i are not particularly detail oriented people
speaking of which mother's day is coming two week warning
ah good for those of you out there who are also not particularly detail oriented
i'm gonna put that in my calendar immediately i didn't know anything was wrong with that
response everyone looked at me weird and i was just like what and then she ended up informing
me later that like yeah it's it's in months yeah at this point everyone does up until about 24
months everyone does months because the development is so fast yeah no sure that makes sense yep yep
any more in potential i mean i might as well just read one yeah yeah just find ones to read
or just scroll to here um let's see uh we're going back to our headline topic what should
they have done to foster more canadian content creators fund it like i'm not against i'm not
against funding content but there's got to be a process for um either you know taking content
that's starting to snowball and trying to pour gas on the fire or um you know finding people that
are in some kind of uh yeah i guess okay i guess for me i i'm not i'm not that into handouts so
you know finding people who or or organizations who are already trying and seeing a little bit
of success like have have have gotten the ball rolling a little bit and trying to get balls
rolling faster i guess is where where i'd like to see it i don't think that it should be going to
giant established media companies and i don't think it should be going to people who can't
even be arsed to you know try turning on their selfie camera and recording something i think
there's a middle ground there okay here's another one job roles say canada only is that a hard
requirement was looking at the roles and felt like i had the experience but i'm uk based would
happily relocate given political reasons uh i was typing out a response to this not all of the job
roles say canada only uh because some of them are not canada only um there are developer positions
that are open to uh non-canadian remote work the ones that do say canada only you need to
currently right now and there's a lot of people that
in my opinion intentionally misinterpret this but you need to currently this exact second need to
legally be able to have a job in canada i do not mean you are eligible to apply for immigration
i mean you are already legally able to have a job in canada
that is possible without being a canadian citizen
almost all the time it's going to mean that you live here already not technically though
so there is that window of opportunity yep but if you're like a canadian citizen who's living
abroad yeah or or there are there are other weird like work visas because he went to school here
yeah there's other there's other situations where that ended up being a nightmare and costing a lot
of money and taking a lot of time so like it will very likely um hurt chances like i i don't know
it's it's a huge nightmare if you don't already have the ability to work here so yeah unless like
i already said the role doesn't say that and is open to uh working from outside the country what
are you gonna go see opening night barbie or oppenheimer barbie no question and neither
actually but barbie why not both double feature i don't go to neither of us really go to movies
that often no yeah i saw the super mario movie just because my family wanted to go yeah and
actually they only wanted to go because an other family invited us to go because they were taking
their kids so i got dragged along by dragalongs it's the only reason i saw it in the theater
otherwise i would have just watched it at home my favorite thing about watching movies in the
last like while has been when linus and i go which is extremely uncommon and the actual favorite part
about it is when we just like sit in the car afterwards and talk the whole movie um which like
if that's the reason you're going it's almost never going to be worth going which star wars
movie did we do that for i don't remember i can't remember but it was awful i don't i was it the
first one no no i don't think so it must have been the second one in the second one yeah because it
was you know pretty much every week i get into it with david about stupid the last skywalker or
whatever that stupid movie is called he he's like it went places with storytelling and it creativity
i'm just like i know david doesn't have a movie podcast anymore so he doesn't have a way to defend
himself uh well no actually does he still have one i think he does is it movies still i don't
know he definitely has a podcast still but it's not here uh anyway the point is so i'm definitely
taking a cheap shot here but no david it's awful it's awful and made no sense it just
it just did random things it's the equivalent of you know elementary school kids being like mom
you know what'd be cool like this happened which one was this the this was the ryan johnson one
the middle so the middle one isn't that the one where they're like they fly now yeah yeah that
line will always drive me nuts they already flew that's not a new thing r2d2 flew depending on
which head cannon you subscribe to there's a lot of those at this point yeah maybe it was
the third one it must have been the third one that we went off on either but i mean they were
both terrible i don't remember whatever i don't know what to say yeah that was really loud that
knuckle crack oh sorry yikes i'm still having a lot of issues with this joint oh really so it
gets really tight very often yeah i tried rolling it i might need to i might need to go get like
x-rays there might be actually something wrong with the bone yeah because it like should have
if it was tendons or whatever it should have healed by now anyways it's fine i got another
curated here for you all right i have a two-year-old how did you introduce your
child uh children to video games and computers honestly we just kind of made it up as we went
along um some of it was out of laziness so we would often give our phones to our son who woke
up a lot earlier than us um but man this was before i had youtube premium i was just it existed
i was just too cheap to pay for it uh so he would wake me every time there was an ad so it really
didn't get me much extra sleep but we would put on like phonics song um and and all these why would
he wake you like nursery because he didn't have the motor skills or understanding to like skip
yeah he didn't he didn't get it yet so i'm pretty sure that that channel i forget what it's called
abc 123 or something i don't remember what he's even called but like phonics song phonics song 2
um i i could probably still sing these songs like word for word it's been like eight years
i'm traumatized but i'm pretty sure that's a significant part of the reason that our firstborn
read like extremely early um and like his numeracy is like still off the charts um
so that's probably a predisposition at that point but but he read extremely early it was really
impressive and uh so i have no regrets about that as for like gaming though we waited a long time
my rule for my kids has been you're not really allowed to play video games until you can read
a because i don't think you need to play video games when you're two and b because i don't want
to help you i don't want to just stand there and like help you navigate a menu or like
help you figure out what's going on when you're supposed to be like talking to another character
or whatever else um we right now our system is we make them trade developing their minds in some
other way for video game time so i think it's a two to one trade so i think if you do half an hour
actual piano practice then you get an hour of gaming time not just bonking keys yep you have
to actually be working on what your teacher said to work on and there's a couple of other things
that you can trade for video game time and it seems to work reasonably well for us right now
it's a bit of a pain to keep track track yeah but overall i'm pretty happy my kids you know aren't
completely ignorant to technology but they're also just not constantly glued to the boob tube so
cool
see if you can find one you're not editing uh do you have any experience with paulo alto
firewalls if so what are your thoughts no nope any news on shipping for european customers
i thought you mentioned a while back you might be looking to make it a better experience
we'd love to we'd still love to it's still complicated and still expensive and we still
have a lot of other things to work on sorry any updates on products that are under development
or that you're excited about oh um don't leak too much oh yeah stick locks are coming really soon
that's really exciting they're the little joystick covers oh those yeah yeah those should be launched
like imminently really excited for those didn't even know we were developing those yeah they're
really cool i have decided to change course in my career and i'm going into a coding boot camp soon
pursuing software engineering do you know anyone that has done something similar and found success
luke this one's for you um so it's they they went to a boot camp and now they want a career
they're going to a boot camp yeah and they're wondering if this is a good move uh yeah but it's
a it's a very uh it's not it's it's much more similar to training yourself online in my opinion
than it is to going and getting a degree because by doing that boot camp you're kind of like
using this thing to try to help move you along the path um believing that your first steps are
important to be guided that's in my opinion the way that you should take it so from there you'd
still kind of need to build a good portfolio because
just having like a lot of boot camps are various lengths so i don't know how long that one is but
if you're like i have a two-month boot camp uh that's gonna mean effectively nothing to me if
i'm trying to hire you but if you're like i have a two-month boot camp you can kind of ignore that
part my portfolio is really cool look at these things that can mean a lot um i know a few other
hiring people if someone has a degree at least a bachelor's four-year degree that's kind of like
a check mark um to move them forward and things that equate with that are often portfolio or
experience not some boot camp thing so use the boot camp to make something cool and then you can
you can get there hi luke and linus uh since you've started producing your own physical products
how is your experience with other physical products influence your design or development of
digital products um those teams don't work together i guess you do no no i don't think
i read that wrong how has your experience with physical products influence your design or
development yeah okay yeah of digital ones physical to digital i don't know i mean ugh i
for me it's it's always just
very thankful that the customer support isn't as hard for digital ones yeah i mean that that's
really good um the only person that crosses those team lines is linus yeah i mean so much of our
development is just how i would want it to be and so that's the same whether it's a digital product
physical product that is true uh yeah okay i got an i got a curated one here that's really cool
um completely blind ltt viewer here love the wan show for my tech news what are your thoughts on
the rise of the accessible games for the blind such as the new forza i might be biased but cool
stuff how do they do that it has some really cool features that just make it more um no way
i think there's like a high contrast mode there's microsoft this includes like legally blind so you
can still see a little bit microsoft has done a lot they don't do everything right but they've
done a lot to push accessible gaming forward and that's super cool every time we talk about it
we're just like yes great work do that do more um you know whether i think you know we're all
a little different and whether your difference is obvious from the outside or not um i think
gaming is one of the ways that people of all types can come together and enjoy their time together i
mean we did an executive retreat recently um and yeah one of the big highlights for me was just all
playing games together um you know i don't i think it's a very old-fashioned outlook to think of
video games as you know you know they're bad for you rot your brain or whatever it's a social
experience right it's i don't think it's any different from playing a board game
necessarily it can be but it doesn't have to be and i think that making that experience more
inclusive is a noble goal and one that might not make sense financially but that shouldn't matter
should just do it anyway i've deeply respected microsoft's efforts in this regard i'm not
surprised it's happening to forza because that's a microsoft title their accessibility controller
i don't believe it's called that but whatever it's called is like actually an incredible piece
of hardware and the fact that they still support it and make it and all that kind of stuff is just
wildly cool okay i've got another curated one here hi lld i've been with my significant other
for four years and plan on proposing soon do you have any advice for picking a ring
ps go fold plane hey i'm gonna be honest with you i
i am not the kind of person who makes major decisions without my wife and the ring was a
major decision i mean that was a really significant amount of money for us especially at the time
and not even just the money but the way to do it whether it's uh like a like a metal ring or
whether it's tattoos or whether it's uh whether we even want rings at all um and if you're gearing
up to spend the rest of your lives together i think that it's probably a good habit to get into
to talk to each other and work together on a solution that makes you both happy so the
answer would be to not ask me uh but to but to show a genuine interest and work with your wife
or so or you know whatever whatever title you guys use for each other and and find something that
makes you both happy okay we've got our last six here if you guys want to push through them
um hear the pain in his voice and now you don't have to you can see it on his face
i'm okay i don't get yelled at anymore uh hey linus i love your commitment to
quality and ltt products and that you'd rather do it right and not do it at all
or not or not change the meaning there dan oh yeah okay sorry uh i gotta like have it wider
so that i can actually parse these easier um is there anything you credit to uh upbringing etc
i wish this was more common you butchered that man jesus um let's try that again sure let's
just let's just do that one more time one more time hey linus i love your commitment to quality
and ltt products and that you'd rather do it right or not do it at all is there anything you credit
this to your upbringing etc i wish this was more common i'm a cheapskate and i hate wasting money
and i consider anything that breaks too fast or or sucks for how much i paid for it as a bad
value i consider that to be a waste of money and if i don't like wasting my own money then i have
to assume that you don't like wasting money either i would toss in an additional argument
uh which is that he's going to extensively use anything that we make if you make shirts he's
gonna have to wear them like all the time literally every day i'm also lazy and i hate
re-buying things so if i can have something that just lasts for a very long time that makes me
much happier yeah so i'm i hate wasting money and i hate wasting time and i consider bad products to
be a waste of money and time yeah i recently went back and played my childhood favorite the we that's
when i realized the graphics and tracking were a lot worse than i remember yeah what's your wow
this is actually garbage moment uh-huh huh mine's so generic i can do it but it's so generic yeah
do it i went back to go play moorwind like over a decade later how many times you told that story
i know story oh man he's generic wow this was actually garbage i don't know the nostalgia filter
is so strong like i went back and played one of the hugo games hugo's house of horrors
and it's all it's objectively bad the graphics are terrible the gameplay it's like it's it's uh
it's got like a graphical interface uh but it's really a text adventure game and you know the
problem with text adventure games is that without the benefit of a large language model or something
like that you often have to just you have to just sit there for the right keyword and find yeah the
exact right way to steal key take key put arm through hole and remove key like it's very
frustrating but i still i kind of get joy from it and if anything more now than i did back then
now that i can just look up the answers on the internet and see what happened with this stupid
game i could never beat as a kid because it was impossible um you know you know it's a weird
thing for me my nostalgic glasses for graphics are not that bad like when i went back to morrow
and i was like yeah this is how i remember looking whatever when i go back to super old games i'm
never like oh i can't believe it's so bad i always remember how it looks it's the controls you know
what oh yeah controls oh okay yeah that's one double oh seven yeah like you go play double
oh seven and you're just like oh man like yeah this is rough controlling my character is brutal
it's not the graphics no wonder you know going to my friend's house and playing like he always beat
me like you know you have to train in order to operate this thing yeah yeah okay yeah yeah i'd
say old control schemes yeah because like it took a while for people to figure out like
okay yeah this is how shooters are gonna work yeah like unreal didn't the original unreal
tournament use like a and z for look up and down something like that oh i don't know original ut
controls yeah because i mean looking vertically was not a thing that was a feature on a initial
shooter game yeah mouse look not a thing yeah like a lot of old shooter games when you got to a ramp
your character would just like look up it automatically like you didn't actually control
that or uh the the planes were all actually like equal so if something was up a ramp if you shot
what would hit the ramp but in the right direction the your your bullets would just like go up
and hit them yeah no here we go uh when playing unreal tournament i barely use the mouse unless
i'm sniping all my controls are in the keyboard control is fire spacebar alt fire alt for walk
a to jump z to crouch page up to look up page down to look down home to center the view
q to throw the weapon that you're holding and w to throw a relic this is just a forum post i found
in uh um ut99.org and so a lot of people are posting these just like by modern standards
utterly ridiculous keybind setups yeah all right that's rough yeah page up and page down okay
hey yeah hey when the audio only wan show gets released will it be live and where could people
listen to it spotify maybe it'll be here it'll be here yeah as like a vaud yeah not live and here
with the couple of remote control things that you have done i found your channel from the fire truck
lol would you consider a shelf model train layout around your house considering a dcc setup is very
tech advanced i have wanted to do i actually wanted to build like a like a ceiling suspended
train in the kids room just for kind of a fun project it's basically since my first child was
born well that's a decade ago now it hasn't happened yet so i'm thinking probably it's not
going to happen at this point it's super cool but i just i can't find the motivation to do it
uh when if i'm gonna put a bunch of things on the wall or up around the ceiling i think the way for
me to go now is a bunch of like cat perches and and cat runs and stuff like that i'd love to do
that in our house oh sorry i was getting angry messages um finally got my stream deck suggest
some wii games uh for the emulator please we games on the steam deck given how prevalent
motion controls were for the wii i don't think i have a ton of suggestions the vast majority of my
wii time was wii sports actually like vast majority yeah i bought other games but wii sports
i was typing out a response to that but yeah in my experience all the games that i enjoyed
with the wii was because they got me up and got me moving wii sports stuff what other various
interesting control the wii was cool because it was a very new thing with the motion controller
that that's why the wii was cool it wasn't cool because you could control the turn the controller
sideways and like play platformers um so yeah i don't know okay i've got a curated one here so
this one's obviously important to line us luke as a back-end developer myself what is the business
benefit for closed source code in my experience almost all code written had been done had been
done variation of something else that i've already done or exists okay uh i mean there's a lot of
kind of nebulous things um this isn't yeah this is a lot of people get really spicy about open
source clothes they do um i was i was curious about your answer i would bring us back to the
star season conversation that i often bring up with these types of things which is where you do
stuff more in the light you get tied up communicating about it instead of just like
doing it uh we have contributed to open source projects uh for things that we use we want to do
more and we'll probably scale up how much of that we do in the future um it it takes a little bit
more care than just you know editing it slightly for your own use case and then just running with
it so it would take more time but we do want to give back to those communities again we have done
it a certain amount already but we do wish to do it more in the future um so we're going to
but yeah i don't know the more the idea that just having open source code means these magical angel
developers they're just going to come out of nowhere and just do things for you
which is the way that it's communicated surprisingly often yeah is not real um there are
benefits to open source code people can find especially like security problems and suggest
things and if they start using it they might contribute features and a lot of stuff like that
but if you look into the space it ends up being a maintainer or a small group of maintainers
just needing to fix things for like other people and spending a lot of times dealing with that
type of stuff um so and i think that's honestly most of it i'm not worried so much about like oh
someone got our code for whatever they can do the same thing we're doing like that's not really the
problem it's just not the most efficient way of moving forward sorry Domenico probably not anytime
soon but yeah that's going to piss some people off a bunch of open source people might get mad
but i don't know i think the open source community is fantastic and we have made contributions we
will make more contributions in the future but it's not efficient for us to just open source
everything and then deal with this insane deluge of incoming communication about all of it
yeah um it's just yeah we're a very small team um and there are could be benefits because we
are a very small team to opening it and that's great and maybe we'll make something that's open
at some point there's been a few proposals internally like hey we're making this one tool
this might be a good idea to open source at some point especially there's been communication around
that um with some of the lab stuff and maybe that will be a thing
uh but it's not a thing right now and with that the show is not a thing right now wow bye
whoops yeah i might need some other solution to this
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