What is up everybody and welcome to the WAN Show!
We've got a great show for you guys this week, of course.
The big news is the big change in Twitch's terms of service.
Naturally, since we do stream on Twitch,
this is going to have a big impact on the WAN Show,
where finally...
We're gonna be able to do all the things we've always wanted to do.
We've got fuzzy handcuffs,
we've got...
silicone nipple covers.
I really don't know what this had to do with anything.
But we've also got other more different nipple covers.
Oh yeah!
Oh jeez.
Also, today...
I don't know what else is...
How do you transition off that?
Epic finally won something!
That's right!
A jury has sided with Epic in their lawsuit against Google,
agreeing that Google used anti-competitive business practices.
We'll be talking a little bit about that and what else we got.
Did I manage to pick your two again?
Ah, you did.
Go Linus!
AMD says overclocking is still okay,
despite saying that overclocking is not okay.
Yeah, it's complicated.
It's weird.
It's actually very complicated.
It is actually.
I don't understand it.
I would be confused if I was trying to do that.
Also, you can't check who's monetized on YouTube anymore.
Yeah, so on the surface,
I can kind of see how maybe that's not that big of a deal,
but the deeper you go,
the more insidious it appears to be.
The show is brought to you by iFixit, SignalWire, and V1 Tech.
Wow.
I wasn't fast enough to actually get the things.
You look like you're bringing medical supplies.
Do you want the silicone covers or do you want the X's?
Either is an option.
Wow.
I didn't know we were actually doing this.
I don't care, I think.
Do you want a rock, paper, scissors or something?
Sure.
Yeah, we can rock, paper, scissors.
Is there a more like lewd version of rock, paper, scissors?
I mean, you could have...
It's a little early in the show to...
You could have, what, penises, vaginas, and...
Wow, none of that was censored.
He did not press the button.
Those aren't bad words.
Those are body parts.
There's nothing wrong with them.
That is technically true.
Yep.
Okay, so...
Don't worry, we're going to talk about the aspects of it
that Twitch has rolled back.
We're going to get into it,
but first, we need to choose what we're going to be wearing.
Yeah.
Okay, rock, paper, scissors.
Let's just stick with rocks, papers, and scissors.
Which one are we going for?
You got to decide.
Which one do you get if you win?
Dan, choose.
Whoever gets which.
If Luke wins, he gets the silicone.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
What?
Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
I went on two.
What is your...
I mean, technically, I won.
Nah.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the people all saw
that I just won.
I did?
Okay, that doesn't...
Okay, so rock, paper, scissors, shoot?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Rock, paper, scissors, huh.
All right.
I guess I won.
So, which one?
Sorry, I don't remember what I was fighting for.
So, you get the X's then, I think?
All right.
Because if Luke won, he got the silicone.
Okay.
Wait.
So, then Luke gets the same thing
regardless of the outcome?
Oh, no, sorry.
I'm not sure if I follow.
I don't think he saw who won.
I think he just guessed.
So, then Linus, you get the silicone.
Oh, I get the silicone.
Sorry, I forgot the rule that I set
five seconds earlier.
Wow, 100% silicone.
Very cool.
Does it actually, like, stick on?
Is it adhesive?
I have no idea, Luke.
Does this look like the kind of thing
I've used before?
Don't answer that on this show.
I wonder if they look good
or, like, over your eyes.
Nah, that's like some nightmare fuel
right there.
Go to Linus.
Hello!
Eyeless man.
Look at you, some type of, like, bee
or something.
Yeah.
This great Bernie in floatplane chat
says it looks like a chicken fillet.
We're doing it?
Yeah, I mean.
Okay, okay.
We're not even covering anything.
It's not lewd.
What do you put?
Are you at...
Oh, you're just putting on your shirt.
Okay.
Yeah, whatever.
It's not a big deal.
I don't know.
Sometimes it's hard to tell
how far you're wanting to go
with something.
That's why we have safe words.
Does HR watch the land show?
I was talking to Nicolaita about that.
Apparently not.
Oh, okay.
Well, that's probably a good thing.
We both decided the same.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
All right.
So, while he's working on that,
Twitch allows, then bans,
the drawing of...
broobs.
If I say a word that's not even a word,
then no one can get mad at me for it, right?
Yeah.
There's lots of sources for this.
But two days ago,
Twitch adjusted its terms of service
to allow artistic depictions of nudity,
such as drawings or sculptures
of breasts, buttocks, and genitalia
as long as the content was correctly labeled.
Depictions of sex acts were still excluded.
Twitch, likewise,
broadened its policy to allow content
that deliberately highlights
breasts, buttocks, or the pelvic region,
including body writing and body paint
on breasts and buttocks.
Nudity, however, was still prohibited.
Today, Twitch reversed the new policy
following a massive wave
because who could have seen this coming
of lewd art that fell both within
and outside of the policy's new scope.
Twitch stated, and this is a quote,
much of the content created
has been met with community concern.
These are concerns we share.
Upon reflection,
we have decided that we went too far
with this change.
Digital depictions of nudity
present a unique challenge.
AI can be used to create realistic images,
and it can be hard to distinguish
between digital art and photography.
I don't even think that's the biggest
of the issues, but sure.
The change was an apparent response
to the banning of OnlyFans model MorgPi
following a viral, topless stream.
While she certainly appeared to be topless,
her chest was not fully visible,
leading to a debate over whether
she had, in fact, broken the rules.
And our discussion question here is,
should there be a greater tolerance
for non-sexual nudity on Twitch?
Why can't there be?
That's an interesting topic of discussion,
but there's something more important
that I want to address,
and that is,
is that really where your nipples are?
Uh, yeah.
No, no, I'm just kidding.
That's a perfectly good place for them.
You're doing great.
Good job.
Um, sorry.
Okay, what I want to,
what I want to talk about is,
what was the actual motivation
for this change?
Is your dad dying in the background?
These people pay my bills?
Okay, sorry, what's up?
What was the, uh...
Yeah, what I want to talk about is,
what, what, let's speculate.
Let's play the speculation game.
What was the actual reason for this change?
Because, on the surface,
it looks like it was as simple as,
OnlyFans is making a ton of money
from people just throwing dollars
at their screens,
um, and then taking a cut of it.
And that seems like something
that we'd love to participate in.
I mean, I guess it's kind of a,
a natural broadening of Twitch's,
of Twitch's content scope.
I mean, you'd get, you get...
Which they've sort of done before
with, like, the hot tubs channels and stuff.
Yeah, well, I don't even just mean that.
We can go back farther than that.
You'd get laughed out of the room these days
for saying,
what are you doing streaming on Twitch?
You're not even gaming.
Yeah.
Like, that used to be a thing.
That was absolutely a thing.
We used to, we used to get flack in the chat
on WAN show,
with people saying...
Because it was a talk show,
there's no game on screen.
You shouldn't even be,
you shouldn't even be streaming on Twitch
against terms of service.
Like, people were actually angry about it.
You couldn't do 3D printing.
And nowadays, pretty much anything goes
within categories like just chatting and IRL.
And so, it's not like they haven't
dramatically broadened the type of content
on the platform before.
Maybe to them,
did this just seem as simple as,
I don't know,
broadening the content again?
As long as it's labeled clearly,
what is the difference
between this content being on Twitch TV
versus this content being
at an eight-second Google search,
assuming you're on dial-up...
Often for the same user name.
...on some other site.
Exactly.
And so, with that in mind,
do you think it was that simple?
I think that might be part of it.
I think also there's like...
I think Twitch suffers
because there are...
I think maybe their rules
are like more defined.
I haven't really compared,
but it feels like their rules
are more defined than other platforms.
Because like,
if you're going to try to say
YouTube doesn't have this stuff,
you're nuts.
Oh, 100%.
All over YouTube.
But no one looks at YouTube
and says like,
oh, that's a website
that has this stuff.
That's not a consistent conversation.
I have not to the same degree
as a platform like Twitter,
but I have absolutely come across
very lewd videos on YouTube
completely by accident.
One was...
I mean,
and sometimes it's not even
in the ways that you would think.
Twitter, it's like...
Oh.
...constant.
You click on anything trending
and you scroll
and you're just like,
oh, wow.
Well, there's a butt.
Yeah.
Even if just some random tweet
that isn't even on the trending section,
but if it just gets a little bit
too much traction,
yeah, there you go.
Yeah, you'll just get people
promoting their OnlyFans
or just posting pornography
for no reason
other than just because
I guess they want to.
Yeah.
But...
So it's not nearly to that degree,
but, you know,
sometimes on YouTube
it's not in the ways
that you would expect.
Like, one of the times I saw
what I thought was probably
the most lewd thing
I've come across on the platform,
I think, ever.
I'm just trying to think.
It was some kind of music video.
Okay.
Yeah, probably.
And so it was kind of...
It was kind of mainstream-ish,
Yeah.
but definitely too racy
for you to ever see it
on something like MTV.
Like, it not...
You know,
not only were there just breasts
bouncing around,
people dancing around,
but like,
you know,
consuming shots off them.
Yeah.
So it's like, to me,
that crosses way over
from nudity
into a sex act.
The name starts with wet?
I actually have no idea.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Oh, the Nicki Minaj one?
I don't know.
Or Cardi B?
Sorry.
I don't remember.
Ooh.
I don't know.
I think all the young people
cried out
and then were suddenly silenced
just now.
I'm sorry.
I don't know
who these people are.
Anyway, the point is,
no.
No, it was some random.
It was like obscure.
Okay.
Yeah.
And like I...
But yeah, that's like totally a thing.
I've never seen it before.
I've never seen it again.
I just was like,
seriously?
This is on YouTube.
So like when that's happening on YouTube,
it's all over Twitter.
I don't use it,
but I'm assuming it's all over TikTok.
I have no idea.
And I also don't go to this website,
but I'm assuming this is a thing on Kik.
Like,
why do they have to have specific rules
that are more aggressive
than other platforms?
I think they're also...
So they're probably feeling
like they have more pressure on them
than other platforms
to actually do something about it.
I think that's because
they talk about it more.
I think YouTube
and these other platforms
just ignore it.
Yeah.
Well, it's not just that.
The Twitch community
talks about it a lot.
Absolutely.
Because whether Twitch...
And people try to push the lines more,
I think.
Whether Twitch...
How much responsibility
Twitch bears for this
I think is open for debate.
But Twitch certainly
is in the conversation
around, you know,
people streaming on the platform
and cultivating an audience.
Offboarding to OnlyFans
or whatever else.
Based on appearance.
And even before OnlyFans existed,
the conversation around streamers on Twitch...
Oh, I see.
Attracting people through...
Because of their appearance
instead of their, like,
gameplay or whatever it was.
Or whatever.
Yeah.
So I almost wonder
if part of this conversation
is just vestigial
from when Twitch was
supposed to be about gameplay
and nothing else
and what are people doing on here
not focused on the gameplay
and it's more about this.
I think there's a relatively
simple counter-argument to that
that I've heard a bunch of times
from a bunch of people
which is like
if someone is sitting here
watching a certain piece of content
because they want to
look at someone
that they think is attractive
that person is probably
not going to
come watch your game stream.
Yeah.
No, no, 100%.
It's a different audience member
therefore you're not losing anything
from them looking at somebody else
because they would have been
looking at somebody else
on some other platform anyways.
So, like,
who cares?
I've heard that from
quite a few different people.
I think that holds a lot of water
personally.
Like,
I don't know.
Like, they're not coming here
to watch you play
League of Legends right now.
they want to look at
attractive person.
If they can't look at
attractive person on Twitch
they'll go look at them
somewhere else.
So, I
I do also
definitely see
some of the arguments
against, you know,
if Twitch's position
let's say
is, you know,
realistically
this is a
this is a quick
Google search away
what difference does it make
if it's a click
or, you know,
entering
what is it?
Nine
nine keystrokes
but on the
other hand
you know,
I do kind of understand
too.
It's like
this is a site
whose brand
is
well,
hold on.
No, not that.
I just
I clicked on a category
on Twitch
and was immediately
assaulted.
I
Oh,
okay.
Why would you do that?
What's the category?
Just chatting.
There was no
blurred thumbnails.
The least they could do
is wear these,
okay?
Well,
they might be.
That's true.
They're below the frame.
That's true.
They're actually not in frame.
Okay.
Well,
at any rate,
so the
you're really undermining
the point I'm trying to make
here right now
because I was going to say
Twitch's brand
on the face of it
is more
minor friendly.
It's gaming and video gaming.
Yeah.
But I guess
here's the question.
I mean,
is gaming that
minor friendly
inherently anymore?
Like I
I have
I haven't played
The Witcher 3.
I've only played
the first half an hour
and within the first
within the first half an hour
there's
a lot of buts.
Ballerscape 3
is like
a very horny game.
like
it just is.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think
Twitch
had
that reputation
and I think
that
maybe
some of that
still stays
just from people
that don't use
the platform too much
but I think
if you're like
a Twitch person
and you're on the platform
all the time
you're aware
that just chatting
is like
by far
the biggest category
and stuff like this
happens all the time
in that category
there's the like
hot tubs category
or whatever
they have
they have
all these other things
like I just
I think they've
they've gone a little bit
further than dipping
their toe
for a long time now.
Here's the question then
given that that's
given that their brand
for better
whether it
should be or not
has
been this
for a very long time.
Yeah.
We're already here.
I'm going to ask
a question
that you might
not even want
to answer.
Okay.
Should Twitchers
just stuck to their guns
and just said
yeah this kind of
soft core pornography
is just part of the site
now if you don't like it
you don't have to
look at it.
Yes we're that
desperate
because our
lunch is getting
eaten by companies
that are just
willing to allow
this on their platform
and realistically
what difference
does it make
if we have an
age verification
check
versus their
age verification
check
it's on there
do you imagine
your kids aren't
finding this stuff?
I think the thing
that makes me want
to defend them
sticking to their guns
is that the other
platforms are doing it
it's just not getting
talked about as much
like we said
it's on YouTube
it does feel like
a bit of a double
standard doesn't it?
It's everywhere else
it's just not on
Twitch so much
sticking to their guns
sorry we've got some
apparently that's a
colloquialism that is
more local than I realized
it means just
it means holding their ground
just staying the course
and going yeah
these are the new
terms of service
we don't really care
about the backlash
realistically
this is how it is
yeah because Twitch
feels like it gets
way disproportionate
amount of attention
on this in particular
and I don't necessarily
know why
it might be because
discoverability on Twitch
is really hard for people
and it's an extremely
competitive space
and it's an extremely
competitive space
with a large amount
of people trying to get
into it
and it's hard to even
niche out in Twitch
because of how like
the categories works
and stuff like that
so I could see it being
more of a point of
contention of like
people being like
oh no they're taking
my viewers
but I think really
the biggest takeaway
of that is like
if someone wants to
watch that
despite these
currently being on
they're not going to
come watch WAN show
we're not losing
any viewers
that are like
because those people
would just go to
another website anyways
you know
like it just doesn't
I don't know
it's not like
it's not like
there's this pool
of people
that like
it's their job
to watch Twitch
this exact amount
of people will watch
Twitch
and you get to pull
from that group
of people
that's not how
the internet works
right so you're
basically saying
it's not a zero
sum game
yeah
yeah
so I don't know
so is there an
argument to be made
that the game
streamers could benefit
from overall increased
traffic on the site
and they should just
not worry about it
because if that person
is no longer interested
in watching that
particular stream
for some various
particular reason
they might now be
more interested in
watching gaming content
and maybe they'll
stick around and
check yours out
or the whole site
because creators
tend to be very
algorithmically driven
the whole site
might just devolve
into
maybe
whether it's
you know
cutting off your
camera right here
and just chatting
or whether it's
installing nudie mods
on all the games
you're playing
it might just
devolve into
freaking everything
just being butts
and not being able
to avoid it
and if this is a site
you care about
a community that you
love
that might be
really upsetting
for you
if you're just
not that into that
and you wish it
would just go back
to the way it is
I mean that's
a legitimate position
totally
I just think
we're kind of
past that already
personally
even without this
change
like I said
we've had hot tubs
for a long time
like it's
it's not just
a gaming platform
anymore
it just isn't
just chatting
is very
legitimately
by a lot
the biggest
category on the
platform
now you could
say that
gaming
should be a
category
against something
as broad as
just chatting
but it isn't
so just chatting
is always
in the number
one position
on twitch
right
I don't know
like there's
no game
right now
at least
that as far
as I can see
in the category
view that comes
to half
of just chatting
things like
Counter-Strike
which are like
huge in the
gaming space
right
Baldur's Gate 3
currently winning
every award on
the planet
why is anyone
watching the day
before
whatever
well I mean
they might just
want to watch
the dumpster fire
Counter-Strike
21.4k
Baldur's Gate 3
8.9k
just chatting
433
like yeah
Fortnite gets
171
yeah but
that's still
what you said
it's less than
half
and I can't even
click on this
right now
right because
so you didn't
even have to
scroll
all I did
was click on
just chatting
and that was
the top
of just chatting
I didn't scroll
right so if you're
but then
but then remember
too a lot of the
people arguing
against the terms
of service change
it's not like
they're not
already upset
about that
and they probably
don't want that
to exist
but what people
I think
need to
remember
is that
Twitch
is a company
owned by
Amazon
a giant
mega corporation
that is ultimately
driven by one
thing
and that's
what drives
money
and what drives
money is
eyeballs
and what drives
eyeballs is
apparently
I mean
I have no way
of knowing for sure
I don't have their
analytics
it just
seems like it
makes sense
yeah I don't know
I've heard some
ideas
but I just
I just don't think
it's going to go
that way
but I've heard
some ideas
of like
oh this is
a perfect
example
of a
opt-in
scenario
where like
this is
something you
should have
to manually
toggle
that you
do want
to see
instead of
having it
be by default
but then
I mean
plenty of
stuff like
that
you have
to
you have
to manually
enable
allow
explicit
you know
images
or videos
or whatever
else it is
but again
back to
the decisions
being driven
by at the
end of the
day
advertising
dollars
which are
driven by
views
I don't
think that
Amazon
or Twitch
are in any
kind of position
where they feel
like
they want people
to have to
click that
yeah just for
yeah exactly
for the for
the good of
you know
something
because we
care about
the morality
police or
whatever
we're just
gonna kiss
goodbye
some significant
portion like
you know
from working
on you know
websites
that the
smallest amount
of friction
will send a
user somewhere
else
yeah yeah
absolutely
and I think
that's a good
counter argument
for what I was
saying earlier
about the
nine keystrokes
versus one
click right
yeah that small
amount of friction
could actually be
the difference
between you know
my homepage on
my computer is
Twitch TV
and I want
something to
watch and I'm
just gonna click
on something right
on the homepage
versus I'm
gonna navigate
to some
other site
like people's
decision-making
processes really
can be
what you
clicked it
again
well I bet
you did
okay okay
okay okay
okay okay
okay okay
he did it
again
okay okay
people in
flowplane chat
are telling me
I did it wrong
because I need
to sort by
views or
viewers whatever
you're gonna
get us in
trouble
no I'm not
scrolling down
I'm still
I'm staying
oh I see
I see
but it didn't
fix it
no
because I won't
scroll down for
you but this
one
I mean
what was there
last time
I have no way
of knowing what's
below that purple
bar
I think you need
to scroll
no
I will not
to review
I'm going back
here and then I'll
scroll here
there done
oh hold on
it doesn't
I just scrolled
on the main
winter wizard
has quoted
you here
just checking
yeah
luke lefrenier
2023
oh my goodness
full plane chat
full plane chat
said I did it
wrong
I used the
default option
the first time
which is just
clicking on the
category and that's
what it showed
and then I clicked
on views
high to low
and it was
still there
so you guys
are wrong
get wrecked
anyway
I
I don't know
the right answer
here on the one
hand
no I'm not
logged in
get over it
oh my goodness
people
got him
I don't know
the right answer
here on the one
hand I do think
twitch has sort of
been unfairly
singled out here
there is a ton
of this content
available on
basically any
video or image
like media sharing
site on the
entire internet
and you're not
going to stop it
but on the other
hand you know
should there be
should it matter
you know what
your brand is
and if your brand
is supposed to be
gaming should you
at least pretend
to give a shit
about
I think
I think even
a lot of the
just chatting
streams
are
I can't check
supposed to be
you know
with gamers
with people who
are culturally
gamers you know
I don't know if
that's even true
though
a lot of a lot
of really big
streamers that I
can think of
okay like who
uh what's the
I don't remember
his name
you built a
computer for him
oh um
like does he
game ever
I don't think so
I think so
yeah Hassan right
yeah does he
game ever
I think so
I have no idea
I mean I'm
gonna be honest
with you
I don't watch
twitch
I didn't watch
any of his
videos before we
did the collab
and I haven't
really tuned into
anything after
um which may
surprise some of
you
okay he does
stream in
holy crap
Luke
not just chatting
what
I all I did
was go to the
homepage and I
am immediately
mcdonald's and
low-cut tops
let's go
yeah um
I don't know
but like
yeah
they can maybe
do stuff with
their uh
yeah see I
jumped to
youtube and that
did not happen
to me
um
no I think
at some point
he probably did
play games or
something but I
don't really
if you go to
his channel
there's a uh
a thing
Hassanabi's
recently streamed
categories and
yeah just chatting
is in number one
and then there's
special events
which is also
there but then
he's got like
lethal company
which as far as
I know is a
newer game so
this must have
been somewhat
recently okay
um I don't
know though
again I
don't I
don't do the
watching of
the streams
that's fair I
can't find
anything that
doesn't seem to
be anything other
than sort of
yeah neither can
I so I don't
know yeah
predominantly
talk show
yeah so I
I think I
think there
genuinely is
quite a few
creators on the
platform that
are just
talk show
there's also
creators on the
platform that
just watch
youtube videos
and do other
things like that
um that aren't
gaming right so
yeah I don't
know I don't
know it's been
that way for a
long time and
you know what
else has been that
way for a long
time us talking
about this topic
let's move on to
something new yeah
you want to pick
one sure sure are
we keeping on the
things I mean you
don't have to I
was gonna leave
mine on speaking
of keeping these
on you can't
check who's
monetized on
youtube anymore
youtube has
removed a small
piece of public
code that indicates
whether or not a
channel is
currently monetized
the code doesn't
reveal how much
uh the channel is
getting just the
fact that they are
a part of the
youtube partnership
program this code
has traditionally been
used by creators
marketers and
journalists to
confirm which
channels are
receiving money
and by and by
people of various
motivations looking
to petition youtube
to demonetize a
particular channel
okay I got you
um this change
has also broken
several internet
tools such as
is this channel
monetized which
when asked if
linus tech tips
is monetized
simply responds
that the user is
sending too many
requests what
also known as it
is not working
oh okay I
I thought I
thought we meant
that it was like
specific to our
channel that it
no I I think
what they mean is
that they tried it
on our channel and
that's the error
code that it's
currently spitting
out because it is
broken um
discussion question
should details
about who and
who isn't
monetized be more
or less readily
available I don't
know I can think
of almost
immediately I can
think of why
youtube would have
wanted to do
this um which I
think is one point
that we didn't
necessarily bring up
much about twitch
which is I think
part of their
motivation is just
hoping that they
can spend less
time uh moderating
and hoping that they
can spend less time
dealing with like the
fact that one of
the bigger twitter
accounts I know
about is literally
just is this person
banned on twitch or
not um like that's a
huge thing so yeah
and anytime that
conversation comes up
they have to talk
about it again and
again yeah chat was
bringing up too that
you know part of the
reason part of the
motivation for them
to change the rules
might have been to
just avoid this
constant cycle where
someone does something
to push the boundaries
because that's what
people do and then
twitch would respond
often in an
inconsistent manner
yes and then it
would spark this huge
conversation where no
matter what they do
even if what they do
is even if what they
did was 100% in line
with their community
guidelines the
conversation would
still be about how
horrible twitch is
because the rules
weren't being applied
evenly because of the
other times that they
didn't do it right so
they were basically in
this in this catch-22
where if they don't do
the right thing then
they're criticized for
doing the right thing
before and if they do
the right thing they're
criticized for well
why didn't they do it
before and so if they
just basically said okay
well then fuck it
everything's allowed
that seemed like a
way out and then the
internet exploded
and moderation does not
scale well so when
you're a huge platform
moderation is like a big
issue but anyways
coming back to
YouTube I think part
of the reason for this
is because yeah they
don't want that type of
stuff so when if they
have a channel that's
currently under fire
and they decide to
keep it monetized or
not now they don't
have to deal with the
flack if they just
take the flack for
doing this once by
shutting it down and
there's probably I'm
sure internally they
were like oh this is
gonna get a bunch of
bad press but they're
like yeah it's gonna
get a bunch of bad
press once and then
now we don't have to
deal with this problem
anymore I wouldn't be
surprised if this is
the first move maybe
not even the first
move because we could
go farther back like we
could go we could go
back to yeah just the
reduction in
transparency whether
it's removing access to
dislikes whether it's
running ads on non
monetized channels that
was a while ago but
yeah that was a long
time ago so that's the
only reason this is a
conversation at all
because it used to be
that you could check if
a channel was monetized
by just watching videos
on it yeah and seeing if
any ads played but
nowadays it's impossible
to tell because YouTube
will just run ads
against a channel
regardless of whether
they're actually paying
out any revenue sharing
one of the things I asked
them back then was hey
guys this is Austin no
sorry one of the things I
asked them back then was
hey if you guys are
taking 100% of the
revenue share on any
video that is not YouTube
partner program don't you
have a bit of a conflict
of interest here don't you
have an incentive to not
allow people to promote
videos that give you a
100% revenue share versus a
60% revenue share whatever
the number is I forget the
number because there was a
theory back in the day that
if you wanted to grow faster
you turn off ads YouTube
has always denied just a
theory yeah there they take
45 they take 45 so so yeah
so they would be taking
100% versus the 45% that
they take when there's a
when the ad plays on a
YouTube partner channel they
have denied every time anyone
has brought it up that
algorithmically there is any
effect from the monetization
of a video and I will say
that personally anecdotally I
have never seen evidence of
an effect I have seen non
monetized videos do extremely
well I have seen monetized
videos do extremely poorly and
there are various reasons why
we may or may not have had
monetization enabled on a video
in the past sometimes it was a
requirement from a sponsor that
if we had an in video
integration they wanted their
message to be the first thing
people saw not some random
YouTube ad so we would often
have agreements where for the
first six months we would have
monetization on the platform
disabled there are situations
where you know the community
doesn't feel like monetization is
appropriate for a video like
with the recent controversy for
example so we've got
monetization off that that
didn't stop that video from
getting 5 million views or
something like that yeah so if
there is a legitimate interest
from the audience no I I just
haven't actually seen evidence
to support that but just
because they haven't done it
yet or haven't done it to me
doesn't mean that they won't do
it ever or haven't done it to
anyone yeah and it doesn't mean
that I would have any way of
being able to tell like if
YouTube suddenly you know turned
up the heat on their ad sales and
sold 20% more inventory against
the same number of views on the
platform and they were just
like hmm why don't we just put
all of this on random videos
about dishwasher repair and take
100% instead of 45% and no one
will be any the wiser woohoo
have no way of knowing that nobody
would have any way of knowing that
and in fact what I suspect although
I don't have any way of knowing
this for sure but what I suspect is
that a lot of these decisions about
which videos are monetized or which
ones are being served an ad and when
I suspect a lot of these decisions are
actually driven by AI and driven
algorithmically so it would be nearly
impossible for even an internal
whistleblower to say yeah the
executives got together and like made
a call that we're going to put all of
our you know new ad inventory on these
because at the end of the day most of
these engines are just input
experiment try to achieve goals so if
the input is you know optimize revenue
for the platform well part of
optimizing revenue is going to be
putting ads on videos that are very
engaging for viewers so that you have
a longer watch session so they'll watch
more videos and watch more ads but part
of that strategy could also be
recognizing hey this is probably a one
and done I should probably cram as
many ads down this person's throat
while they try and troubleshoot an old
CRT TV and they absolutely need this
information and take 100% of that
money yeah and the actual teams who
create these algorithms wouldn't
necessarily know exactly what it's
doing minute to minute they could go
back and kind of go okay so here's a
thing that appears to be happening
but nobody made that decision so
there's nobody is culpable for it and
so again I'm not saying this is
happening I'm just saying it's not
implausible yeah if that makes sense
I wonder if this is just the next move
towards what will be the next next move
which is not being able to check if a
video is monetized tell me this what
benefit is there to YouTube for you to
know if the creator monetized that
video
so
would this are you saying this would
also obfuscate to the creator or just
to users just to users yeah yeah that
makes sense because back to the back to
the twitch conversation it would keep
YouTube out of the news yeah it's like
yeah just ads are just normal and you
click on videos and there are ads and
it is absolutely none of your business
from YouTube's perspective whether that
channel is part of the partner program
whether that video is you know monetized
by the creator or not monetized by the
creator because you know imagine this you
know imagine a controversial creator you
know like especially you know you look at
the way that politics are are super
polarized in the in the states right now
right so let's say no matter what side
it is someone is going to be super
angry about some political commentator
being on the platform for sure and
having the video monetized and going to
call for some kind of boycott of the
platform for for supporting them for
sharing money with them and so if YouTube
just kind of went yeah how about you just
not know yeah you not know who's getting
money you not know which videos they've
enabled monetization on I think that
you'll still see creators you know as a
gesture talk about hey I'm I'm turning
monetization off on this video or you know
one that one that you see probably more
often than that is I'm gonna donate the
proceeds not now but at that point there'd
be no follow-up no accountability and I
don't think that from YouTube's perspective
that's a problem yeah why do they care
and it sucks because this is I I love
pulling it all the way back to this
every time but this is the blizzard
developers on stage problem where more
transparency more access to different
parts of companies and stuff just gets
them put on pikes constantly which sucks
because it's a thing everybody wants but
it ends up getting shut down due to
community responses to things because
it's easier to blow up about the stuff
that you can see and that is in your face
all the time yeah then dig for things and
I think a lot of companies and maybe
people are just tired yeah of there being
some kind of controversy and just looking
for looking for sources of controversy and
just kind of going oh okay that's a
source of okay let's just make it so
that doesn't happen again yeah let's
make it so that one doesn't happen again
yeah and if you just slowly pick these
away and there's honestly very little
benefit for a platform to for a platform
itself think think of the amount of
times that a platform itself was in the
news and it was a good thing usually what
the platforms want is they want the
creators on the platform to be popping
off all over the place because then that
pulls people into the platform anyways
and then if you're spending more time on
the platform then while you're on the
platform the platform can kind of try to
monetize you YouTube premium twitch turbo
whatever it is but you want the creator
to be pulling people in you don't really
want your name plastered all over the
place all the time because it's almost
guaranteed going to be negative
information well that's the thing like
negative negativity sells I could I could
probably count on my hands and feet the
number of times that we have made the
news for anything positive in the entire
time this company has existed and I would
need more than those digits to count the
number of articles and mentions and videos
just in the last few months alone yeah right
like it's it's no secret that people people
want to see a scandal they want to see a
downfall they don't want to see slow
consistent growth they don't want to see
you know a more complex story about you
know growing pains and and trying your best
and sometimes screwing up and like it's
it's nuanced and that's a lot of work it's
a lot of mental load I think that something
is bad is more entertaining it's easier
it's it's it's it's popcorn it goes down
easy you know deprecated said they want
strawberry but honestly you can you can
deconstruct that relatively simple sentence
a little bit and like yeah the hack brought
in a incredible amount of attention yeah
incredible amount yep
we had more eyes on us than like ever
basically well not quite there was another
one after that um but ever so far
um but like yeah it was um that was a big
deal and it wasn't obviously just the
strawberry but like that's part of part of
the story that brought tons of people in and
like all of our properties exploded in a
good way at that time yeah yeah there was more
eyes on the channel there's more eyes on
flowplane there's more eyes on ltt store
there's more eyes on everything
Dave Gerr says no one reads a news story
that has the headline 100 children had a
good day today and nothing bad happened
you know I was watching um I was watching
the karate kid with my son and his friend
um because they were checking out the new
tv and they had a sleepover and they were
watching the movie and I was like
first one uh first one nice um and and I was
like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be that
like weird parent that comes and hangs out
with you know let them let them do their
thing but they were very settled into their
movie they were not like talking about
anything and I sat in the back row and just
kind of was like yeah you know what I'm gonna
watch the karate kid I guess it's been I was
probably his age yeah the last time I watched
it yeah yeah um and there's a scene where um
where the sensei uh lends the kid I forget
anyone's names on the movie or whatever but
the sensei lends the kid his car and it's
like you know his collection of cars is like
his these are prized possessions like the
kids like mind blown that when it's time for
the dance or prom or whatever it is that he's
allowed to borrow this car and they go out of
their way right like remember American car
culture was still a thing kind of in the 80s
like it was sort of coming towards a time of
big change um but it was still very much a thing
in the 80s and so even without necessarily you
know product placements and making sure that
the emblems are in every flipping shot or
whatever there was clearly a lot of thought
and work that went into making this car look like
a million bucks like it was beautiful and the way
it shines when he drives it and and and he he rolls
out in the car to go pick up the girl you know and
um then they go on their date and he kind of passes
off the car as his own because he's like trying to
show off a little bit and asks her if she wants to
drive it and she gets behind the wheel and I think
she's only just gotten her license and he got his
license like that day or something like that and
they they pull out of the parking lot from the
dance and she's like asking how fast does it go and
he responds I don't want to find out and it fades to
black and then the next scene comes
and I was sitting there going
they don't do that anymore no something never
something's that car is crashing man that scandal
dad's piss is is too spicy and it's someone's going to
the hospital it's too easy to create a tension to
create an angry scene to create heightened emotions
between our characters by having this prized possession
damaged I can't remember the last time I saw an
interaction between characters in a piece of
media where someone lends someone else something
that is one of their most prized possessions and the
other one respectfully cares for it and returns it in
pristine condition after enjoying it and is thankful
yeah and I'm not trying to say the 80s was better or
whatever because I realistically I wasn't even there I
wasn't born yet right and it's clear that there were lots
of problems you know it's not like we don't have pretty
in-depth historical records yeah I'm just saying that from a media
standpoint a little bit less we're very dialed into
anger and controversy and upset and and disrespect
and you didn't you didn't need that you didn't need that in this movie
one of the biggest improvements I've done for myself over the last little
while is to try to disconnect from that stuff significantly more it's like it
actually made like a very noticeable impact life's like a little bit more
chill when you're just like actually no I'm not going to consume this media or
information or newsfeed or whatever it's just like not I'll chill I'm trying to do
more of those like you know the classic like you have to wait in this area so you
just start like reading the signs or whatever I'm trying to do that a little
bit more oh just like no like what I would have done however long ago is go to my
google newsfeed and just start scrolling through stuff or whatever and I'll still
do it sometimes but I try to like consciously be like no I just I can I can stay out for
now um my google newsfeed is um because and the way that I described it in a conversation
I had recently was there's a multi-billion dollar industry that is based around just
dominating your mind and getting you to do this thing that is good for various companies
the corporations man but yeah to a certain degree but like actually though yeah so you
should consider that and not just play into it 100% of the time um and you know maybe you
want to play into it sometimes because it tickles your little gooey brain um but I think sometimes
you should fight against it a little bit mine's not too bad I definitely get too much american
politics um something something oval office recordings uh unify rgb lighting uh something
something impeachment intel unveils ai chip to compete with nvidia eight channel memory on wrx
whatever is faster uh seagate has a hard drive that's not supposed to exist linux patch drop support
for 17 year old intel thing uh auto spill credential leak and android password managers tesla cybertruck
crumple zones pc memory is about to double in capacity sales of bc homes you can really tell
what I what I pay attention to and I've talked to you about this before but like I think that
with a little bit of discipline we can create you can like a google news feed like I have had to
I think it takes a lot of discipline personally I have had to try because every once in a while
they'll try and get me back into it yeah and I have tried very hard to not click on anything star
wars because it usually just annoys me and is just like some stupid nonsense ai written article or
whatever so it usually just sucks anyway um and it gives me it gives me no satisfaction it doesn't
help me at work it doesn't help me in my personal life whereas most of my stuff is pretty tech these
days chips act uh steam trolls cheaters rising 8000 g nvidia ceo at an all hands meeting intel launches
core ultra 3d printer new matter pneumatic actuator like I
it's hard I think I broke mine uh at one point in time I decided that the way I wanted to train it
was to just tell it all the times that I didn't like something or didn't want to see something
oh I never do that was bad you should not do that by the way no because it doesn't know what
you don't like about it yeah and and I think also it will see that you don't like all of these things
and just start guessing really sporadically so like at one point I showed I showed Emma this I
think I've talked to you about it at one point in time it decided that I was interested in some
country singer I had never heard of I never clicked on any of them and for at least a week it was every
second article was just like this is the shirt they wore like just anything it could possibly think of
of this like one person I had never heard of before it's amazing how quickly he led astray I
clicked on one stupid thing about Meghan Markle at one point okay and all of a sudden like half my
feed was just like whoa you're really into this Kate Middleton and Harry Styles or whatever the other
Harry is no sorry he's a singer it doesn't matter the point is uh yeah it was just full of that and
another really funny one was I um I was looking for a behind the scenes of something and I searched
for it and I was like oh BTS has a totally different meaning now because of the the Korean mega oh
mega band right um group are they a band do they play instrument I don't know it doesn't matter the
point is Jimin's the best I guess or something oh what's it are you a Jimin fan cool um the point
is I I clicked one because I was like curious it's like oh yeah okay oh no and then oh man oh man like
every time one of the every time one of them farted there was a google news alert for it I was like
what even is this they changed their shirt like this is their favorite color like I don't
fucking care yeah I was idly curious oh man oh anyway he was trying to get me he really
emphasized to the if one of them farted because I was drinking water I'm gonna get you I'm gonna get
you like Shania Twain I like I like felt it coming and was like no he's gonna say something I gotta pray
I should have gone with queefed or something I would have gotten you with that
probably oh boy um any what what are we supposed to be talking about we were talking about
no yeah we we were technically on the topic of you can't check who's monetized on YouTube anymore
and we somehow got here um yeah cool that relates to BTS yeah why don't we explain what merge messages
are and talk about some stuff going on on the store uh merch messages are the way to interact
with the show uh don't send a twitch bit or you know uh YouTube super chat or anything like that
you want a merch message because we will either have our producer Dan reply to you forward it to
someone who can help you or put your message down here or forward it to us those are the four different
things that can happen and if it gets forwarded to us we will address your comment on the show and
if none of those things happen maybe there's a glitch in the matrix or whatever else hey at least
you'll get some high quality merchandise in the mail yeah we do have a couple of things to talk about
uh we've added a multi-pack combo discount for stick locks if you buy two packs you can get them for
$24.99 and if you buy four packs you can get them for $39.99 if you want to equip a whole whack ton of
your controllers also we have an update for you guys on the backpack dual layer warranty issue
um our team is working through the final details and we'll have something out to all buyers early
next week keep an eye out for that if you've purchased a backpack before december 9th we
appreciate your patience this is a big task and we want to ensure it's done right uh something that
this update doesn't include but i feel very strongly needs to be done so i'm just going to say it now so
that it's in the public record is even if you buy one after december 9th if you have a single layer
regular backpack uh this doesn't apply to the lux the the the apple leather is so thick we a never
planned to put a single layer and b probably couldn't if we tried like the sewing would be
impossible um but anyway if you bought one after december 9th that has a single layer um i don't think
there's eligibility for the $25 credit because now the messaging has been corrected on the site and
there's no miscommunication about it but um the virtual second layer warranty where if it wears
through um you know because of anything other than you know obvious intentional damage uh at our
discretion you're on a live show you decide to cut it open yeah um so we will we'll we'll take care of
you there's there's a virtual second layer um and and we're going to make sure we get that updated
to everyone so if you buy a backpack today um and the bottom wears through you know with natural wear
and tear as part of our limited lifetime warranty um we will we will make sure there's a carve out for
that uh we have a new newsletter oh precision screwdriver leak and update yeah interesting also
there's a newsletter update we're going to delay publishing of our newsletters to the blog by about
a week from the time they're sent out to the email list so if you want the latest from ltt store
make sure you sign up for our newsletter at the footer on the site so that's uh if you just kind
of scroll down right there it's really hard to find put your email there the text is almost so big
that i i legitimately do kind of find it hard to find your the part of your brain that ignores ads
is like huh yeah it might be there's a lot of really good stuff in here including a ton of really
interesting looks at the evolution of this product as it's been developed um talking about materials
why we bothered to make one this is so cool uh all the different variations of ceramic and ceramic steel
hybrid bearings we found one that spins yeah that's right we measured this one and your mileage may vary
but we found one that we were able to get to spin by hand for 70 seconds oh my god just by
giving it a little spin like that pretty wild our end caps are going to be interchangeable
so you can swap them out with a 10 millimeter wrench uh we're going to have different sizes
and shapes check this out yeah buddy so if you want um you know you like it to you like to kind
of palm it or you know you like the flat top um we're going to have bit storage in the handle which
is pretty cool here's a lot of different variations of that anyway you're going to definitely want to read
through that a lot of really cool details from the team and oh oh so when can i get one we're still a
few months away apparently i'm reading this update alongside you guys uh planning to offer a unique
launch experience for this product once we offer a public notification sign up page for launch there
may be an opportunity to purchase a limited number of pre-launch drivers oh yeah we have talked about
this so like with the screwdriver we want to back order this one to get an idea of what demand is
going to be like and to help with cash flow so we're not gonna we're not gonna do pre-orders because
this is technically like a new product i think we did pre-orders on the luxe because it's a material
change um i think we've done pre-orders on some of the screwdriver colorways and stuff like that
uh this is a very new product so we are not going to expect people to order it sight unseen
doing a pop-up or something and i think we're it's either online or in person we're not sure
but we're basically going to sell some of them give people an opportunity to share their thoughts
after having real customer hands-on with it and then at that point we're going to open up
back orders which are i mean essentially you know a pre-order in the sense that the production is not
done yet but you know it will be we'll have we'll have done some mass production and demonstrated
what the product will be uh we're hoping that um we will have details for that in early 2024
i do wonder if at some point um people have made it very clear they're like yeah you know you
shouldn't do pre-orders but also i'd love to be able to pre-order one i'd be the first one to send
my money because i just want to have it right away i don't know at some point maybe we just maybe we
just drop the whole thing and are just like yeah we're doing pre-orders for it don't don't pre-order
it but you can yeah i i don't know man people want it it kind of feels like one of those things where
uh like you know everyone's mad about micro transactions in games but
they want it the market shows i don't know like i can i can like is there is there really
is the is there like what's the point of not letting them i guess well i think the point is
that there's okay like telling them like we don't even think you should i love analogies okay right
so let's take uh let's take uh one of one of you know society's favorite bad guys right uh big
tobacco so i'm a tobacco company i release an ad because for some reason i'm allowed to run tv ads
again or something sure so i run i run an ad on tv um that is that basically says you shouldn't smoke
it is really harmful and causes health effects that are very but then you sell deleterious
to you yeah that's dramatically a disaster the point is i basically say smoking's bad don't buy
cigarettes but then i'm still selling them which in a way is extra bad because i extra super know
that they're definitely bad yeah i have a counter for this sure i think the pre-ordering of a product is
less contentious the right word is less contentious than smoking uh and like an example that i would give
is i tell everyone not to pre-order games yeah i have definitely pre-ordered games me too i have
pre-ordered games since i told people not to pre-order games yep me too i i pre-ordered bill
watterson's quote unquote graphic novel and it was wish you waited for the reviews on that one
no because you would have bought it anyways i would have i would have just given him the 20 bucks
yeah i would have rather just him not bothered to produce this like like waste starfield was a trash
heap i was gonna buy it no matter what yeah it didn't matter if every reviewer on the internet
was like this is trash bethesda was my favorite game company for years when i was a kid i'm gonna
buy this freaking game i feel like people struggle with analogies sometimes did someone point that out
this is twitch chat no no so the ltd screwdriver is as addictive as tobacco no that's not the point
the point is not the specifics of you know how harmful the thing is or whatever else the point is
just the the the potential for perceived hypocrisy that is a fidget point so maybe
this is a joke
oh man um but yeah i don't know i don't i don't feel like pre-ordering is as is i don't know i feel
like we can say like in general uh you you know probably shouldn't do pre-orders but like i don't
think it's as bad as people smoking um i don't think it's as bad for you as people smoking um i
think it's a really dangerous slippery slope of morality and ethics i mean i think that i could
easily rationalize to myself that there's nothing wrong with us taking pre-orders on this product
because a it's going to be great and b if it's not we got you trust me bro yeah exactly but i think
that that's a dangerous path to hubris right i'm not going to make a mistake and if i do i'll fix it
and so what's the problem well the problem is if any of that fails if because there's what are this
what are the safety checks um and i no i'm not gonna go there um so i don't know i think well
we'll give it some more thought i mean with this look my point is it's a ton of work for us to
red hot rush hyper expensive a small batch um do a pre-sale event or like an early sale like an early
access event for a physical product um those units are super expensive the marketing and the
event management of all of this is super expensive super time consuming and at the end of the day it
changes nothing about what the final product is it telegraphs confidence so you could see it as kind
of like an effective marketing tool in that way but then looking back at the screwdriver launch i don't
think people took it seriously until project farm ultimately came out and gave it the stamp of
approval anyway yeah so then what did it matter what our confidence was or what the reactions of
the live buyers at the show were if at the end of the if at the end of the day um people were just
going to is that the solution do you see do you seed it to uh you can't do that with all products
though no and that and todd doesn't want us to seed him products he buys everything right like he'll he'll
he'll pay his money early so he'll accept that benefit in the form of in a way special treatment
but at the end of the day from his perspective and i agree with him from his perspective he's just
a customer who paid his 69 and 99 cents nice and got a screwdriver um and so yeah there are definitely
monetary benefits to him getting early access to it in that he can go live with his video earlier than
other people who didn't get early access but i think we have enough of his track record to go
guys that's probably not it that's that's probably not the issue i think that he genuinely is a sincere
guy and wants to get information to the audience in a timely manner so that they can make an informed
purchase decision i don't think this is about him just getting more views yeah i think he could have
released his video a month after the release of the product still across and it still would have
gotten millions of views yep so we might as well just have it out there earlier and realistically if
another media outlet came to us and was like hey we're really big in the you know tool space or
whatever can we get we i don't see why we wouldn't give them the same treatment if they had the same
kind of reach as todd though i don't know who does but even if they had even less than todd i think
that i i don't think that that's some kind of weird advantage and i don't think that there's
inherently corruption there i think if you have good people who are honest and working in good
faith there's nothing wrong with getting early access to a product and paying for it early and
i think it's kind of silly to to think that it is it was it was amazing how many people went from
and i noticed usernames that were the same oh yeah how many people went from definitely was crazy this
thing is shit until todd from project farm says it's good because he has impeccable integrity
and who immediately flipped they they couldn't their brains couldn't process that it could actually
just be a good product and so they went straight to todd's corrupt todd's a shill how much did ltd pay
him oh man oh man where is your goal post yeah exactly keep moving it man just keep just keep
walking keep walking till you reach the nearest ocean put the post at the bottom of it let me
know how it goes channel that channel that prehistoric human hunting energy yeah just go
anyway uh what are we supposed to be talking about yeah we're supposed to do a couple merch messages
all you got to do is head to lgdstore.com we do any of them pick up no no not even a little
pick up some stick locks or pick up the screwdriver you know whatever the case may be you've got the
nocturne screwdrivers on there now those are doing really well people are super stoked on them
yeah um and then in the cart in the cart uh there'll be a box you can enter your merch message
and it'll go here all right dan do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages yeah sure first one
here hello wan show linus with the go xlr support gone what xlr would you replace yours with or
recommend i'm just gonna keep using it until it they pry it from my cold dead hands i really like it
it just works eventually it'll die and it hasn't yet mind you with the way that microsoft changes
windows so relatively little from iteration to iteration these days it is possible that my
drivers for the go xlr will work for a very very long time like until we get another you know
fundamental retooling of how audio is handled in windows like we did from xp to vista i think it is
quite possible that with the usual hackery right where you you force the install or you you go into
whatever the file is and you like add your version of windows to the supported os's so that it bypasses
the compatibility check or whatever else um i suspect it'll work for a long time i didn't know this will
the beast and flipping chat so there's a community go xlr software version nice that's pretty crazy i i'm a
little my the first go xlr i got bricked itself within a week um so i don't know how confident i
am in the thing living but my sample size is very small yeah and i've got at least one backup one
kicking around somewhere so i'm good there you go i'm i'm one of those people where if i find something
i like i make sure that i've started converting to that it's a good way to go i just i think part of
it is just getting older maybe i just i for me i spend i i will put way too much time and energy and
and whatnot into researching the purchasing decision that like if i'm very confident this thing like i
spend a lot of time doing that i get it i keep it for a certain amount of time and i'm like yeah this
is like amazing i'm like however many months into this and i still love this thing yeah okay let's just
go get more because i don't want to do that again like and if it's like a tool or something like
this go xlr thing like whatever this this thing that it does hasn't really evolved all that and we
might get more kilohertz maybe or more bits or whatever but at the end of the day do i care about
that it's gonna get crushed by whatever it might have it might have more vibrant rgb discord's gonna
take it just go well i mean garbage in garbage out you put in something better discord's crushing it
will be less worse but but but but even so like if i if there's something that i really like
honestly guys i just i don't feel that strongly incentivized to change it and i think part of
that is just how incremental the changes have gotten so you'll have a new phone that comes out
and it's like marginally faster and uh i don't know it has some like i'm just trying to think of
it has like another camera on it or whatever but they removed your headphone jack and you're just like
well fuck right that sucks and so many things are like that these days where if i'm happy with my go
xlr and some new one comes out that has some just bullshit that i don't care about but i give up
something about it that i liked and that thing i about it that i like could be as meaningless as that
i've already set up the profile and already adjusted my gain for where i like to put my microphone
like that eight minutes of going through a setup wizard could be could be the difference for me
yeah compared to the meaningless things that they've improved that don't matter to me
uh have you used the uh road casters no because that's that i believe these started being a thing
fairly recently or at least i only discovered them fairly recently i think they're relatively similar
priced um like there's one on excellent photo.ca right now that's uh for 450 cad yeah these are
canadian dollars guys by the way so it's like plus 30 plus percent go xlrs are crazy expensive too
yeah that's true like they they were um so if you want your hyper expensive xlr interface with rgb on it
option um there is still things like that at least from road i've i know nothing about them i've never
used them but i've heard of them i've heard good things i don't know though all i care about is my
bleep button yeah i don't see one i see configurable yeah i'm sure you could do it yeah and i could i could
probably figure this out um but you have no reason to necessarily but i just i man i don't feel like it
it's not something that excites me i would rather spend my energy on something that excites me like
the the the the the energy that i feel when i'm playing around with cool tech that i care about
is just so much greater okay what are you looking at does just no one buy i've never actually heard
of this website before so this isn't a recommendation but um it's 449 discounted from
549 and if you buy it with these 260 headphones you get the headphones for free
i don't know does no one buy this thing and they're just trying to like burn it down or what
it's probably more to do with the fact that there is excellent margin in these products and
yeah um it's the holiday season so you're gonna see a lot of aggressive promos right now
like we ran lots of stuff in our black friday cyber monday promos that sells yeah like it's it's
not like we were desperate to get rid of it we did sell some stuff that we were desperate to get
rid of hey go full transparency um but yeah but we absolutely promoted stuff that was moving
great there's nothing wrong with that though necessarily um it might be a great product you
just order too many of it or whatever yeah or or we didn't we just put on a promo because we were
like this is exciting yeah um and so you can you can see stuff like that especially this time of
year and i wouldn't necessarily read too much into it is all i'm trying to say apparently jace two
cents uses oh never mind they said they believe jace two cents uses a roadcaster for rtfm
not certain though sure yeah that's with the merge message hi dll question for linus did you learn
asl at some point i noticed some signs get it that you've uh learned some like uh sorry these keep
shifting around uh like using asl's six or using spatial mapping when talking on the show uh yeah my
my uh my mom was a teacher of the deaf and um she is hard of hearing and we were strongly encouraged
to learn asl uh we had a foster kid in our house for a number of years who was um as far as i'm aware
profoundly deaf like couldn't uh couldn't hear anything and so in order to communicate with him
uh we were all encouraged to sign as much as possible uh at one point i was conversant enough
that um i managed to make my way through translation duties for my mom at a conference
it just about killed my brain uh massive respect for interpreters they
wow um because sometimes you have to kind of make stuff up on the fly right have you ever noticed
um well yeah i mean if a word doesn't exist yeah in that sense so you're not making stuff up but
you're making up a way of expressing it or or especially when you're you know okay let's say
you're let's say you're interpreting for a government official and all of a sudden they start talking
about defense or something like that and you i i'm sorry the the the what spanker missile or what
like uh yeah it can be extremely challenging i didn't even think about that that's got to be nuts
yeah like lingo like interpreting at like a scientific conference holy crap right but
accessibility matters so have you ever noticed that interpreters will tag out
really frequently was a high mental strain it's extremely draining that makes sense i don't know
if i have ever before or since slept as well as i did after the first day of that conference that's
that's a this is an offshoot but uh do you know like chess is like high caloric burn like if you're
good at chess you can actually be doing a lot of computation in your head it's it's quite high
caloric burn because you're like really thinking so you're saying that's why i'm thin because i think
a lot and my brain is powerful i might be part of it actually i we've talked about this it's probably
more to do with the fact that i have adhd and i'm a fidgeter and apparently that contributes a really big
one actually way way more to your calorie burn than like your metabolism basically right it's huge
yeah i don't remember what it uh um anyway um yes i do often non-exercise activity thermogenesis
neat refers to a portion of daily energy expenditure resulting from spontaneous physical activity that
is not specifically the result of voluntary exercise levels of neat range widely with variants
of up to 2 000 kilocalories per day between two individuals of similar size like massively impactful
like little fidgets all bouncing your knee little doing whatever it all counts everything counts so in
response to your question yes i was reasonably proficient in asl at some point i forget a lot um i know
enough that you know when i when i'm at a family function and some of my family's um deaf friends
are there i can check in you know hey how you doing and how are the kids and you know that kind of stuff
but um i'm i'm at a point now where i've forgotten so much that while i will while i'll do little things
like i will in conversation uh you know describing something that i saw i'll be like yeah so the person was
walking and then the car like just missed them and i'll realize oh yeah this is a car to me this is
probably not a car to you oh interesting and when i gesture i do so as you noticed um accurately
because i am a lot of sign language is not the words but is the relative positions of things
so something that trips me up a lot is if you're talking to me and you say um yeah turn right
and you gesture vaguely
i'll turn left because i wasn't listening i was watching and that's something that i'm
probably i guess probably more attuned to than most people so yeah so yvonne and i will have
conversations where she'll go uh i'll go hey where are my keys and she'll go they're over there
and to her she was going this way and to me she pointed upstairs so i will waste 10 minutes
looking for my keys and i'll be like hey i can't find them and she'll be like they're right where
i told you and i'm like no you point you point it up that that matters uh yeah it's
we're good but it's definitely something that has come up more than a few times everyone has
their things um anyway one of my favorite one of my favorite signs by the way is not a real sign
it's just like a it's like a it's like a slang thing uh the real sign for i understand is like
this and it's kind of like um like like lights flashing uh looks like this so you kind of like
you create manually sensations right so yeah it's it's like a light bulb yeah i understand um but but
my but like one of my favorite things ever is uh this also means understand so it's a person standing
oh my god it's like yeah what about i think you've shown me that one before yeah what about
uh the milk uh what's the sign for milk and then milking no no do milk and then move it past your
face what do you hold on what do you hold on hold on what are you even talking about do the sign for
milk and then move it past in front of your face it's pasteurized milk
all right that's the only that's the only asl joke i know
all right cool wow sheesh yeah so do you know why this is three
no because this is w uh yeah so it's little things like that that yeah people pick up
from time to time uh all right so someone asked um sorry this is actually fairly important uh
tools of pwnage asked what's the sign for no cap for real for real bussin i have no idea what the
that means signs closing the laptop it's just amazing what is bussin again i can't remember i
actually don't know it's some zoomer term i don't know i think good i think this is good
is that right i think it's good okay really really good so no and no cap is not lying no lie
for real for real it's just like yeah yeah um good yeah so i'm not lying i'm being honest and it's
good like or like like really um yeah i mean other than just like literally like is there is
there a lie and not lie yeah i think this is lie i can't remember uh it's it's been a long time like
i i would just i'll just say completely the wrong word sometimes okay so that's another example so
like like interchange this is like that's so i i do it often um
a lot of them i don't know that they're oh no yeah so it's like this yeah so i was i forget what
this is but it's something that is lie um yeah so i don't know it's just little things there's
there's a lot of stuff where i won't necessarily recognize that you're doing sign language because
i don't know sign language so it's hard to recognize but a lot of it just makes a bunch of
sense like you did the car one whatever that was yeah my brain doesn't go this is a car but i'm like
okay clearly object we're discussing car this i'm now going to decide this is a car and then it does
the thing it's like okay so i still understand everything that's happening
you're just going to be able to do that from now on and i'm just going to burst into laughter
the delivery of it was my favorite part just slight smile no other reaction
okay hit us with one more dan oh yeah sure one sec um let's do this one hey linus have you played
sea of stars yet i have yet to play it but i've been looking forward to it since you first talked
about it on the wancho considering the size of the team it's an incredible achievement um i found
the art to be mind-blowing um it's such a beautiful game the music is as good as the art it's it's
absolutely incredible um i do not understand at all the praise for the combat i found it to be
tedious and repetitive um i think that if i had maybe used some of the like the crutches the the
modifiers that you can that you can activate uh maybe i would have found it easier but i wasn't
looking for easy i like that's one of the things that i like to a degree about classic rpgs is is
challenge in particularly boss fights um but in sea of stars i just found like kind of every encounter
started started tedious and and there's something to be said for being able to get wiped at any moment
like always kind of having that you know that thrill of that danger right um but i just yeah the combat
is is it seemed really promising right at the beginning and then i kind of went oh that's as
interesting as it gets and there it's an indie game you so you have to keep your expectations
realistic but there wasn't enough play testing you'd have boss fights where they they have this
mechanic where um the bosses will have like kind of a roulette thing and then you'll have to hit them
with your pasties uh falling off over there oh sorry yeah you'll have a roulette thing and then it'll
come up with you know a supposedly i guess randomized combination of elemental or attack
types that you need to hit it with in order to prevent it from unleashing a bigger attack which
is on the surface a pretty cool mechanic except that often very often you'd have like a two turn
countdown timer and you'd have to hit it with three strikes of something that you only have two
characters each of which can hit for one and you're just like well that's pretty f***ing stupid
um or or you're just unlucky and that character you have one turn to do it and you could do it
but you're just unlucky and they don't have any mp and so you can't do it so it's like oh okay well
i was just wiped because i didn't have the clairvoyance to know that it was going to be that and in
reality they're not random anyway um they're they're they're predetermined as far as i can tell like
there's a couple of different variants so once you kind of get into a rhythm where you know what
it's going to be it's it's beatable but it's just tedious because the enemies have too many too many
hit points once you understand the mechanic and have solved the puzzle uh it it shouldn't take
a long time to finish a turn-based fight um and the other big one is that it's a really small world
i didn't find i didn't find it that easy to get immersed in it there was no need to explore
um there's a there's there's some exploration you can do basically like i'm not going to spoil
anything but there's kind of like a long tedious fetch quest where you can go look for all of some
kind of collectible item um and it does a thing that realistically i just looked up i was like okay
what happens and then when i found out what happens i was like oh that's really stupid because
um one of the best things about this game and its story um
i i don't like it when storytellers chicken out uh i think that rowling chickened out when harry potter
didn't die yeah he was a lamb raised for slaughter and then she didn't kill him it's like okay well
that's stupid um you know you had an opportunity to to do something really emotionally impactful and
you're like okay how about one of the one of the weasleys instead let's not go after one of the
main three let's let's let's let's kill a weasley twin um yeah and i and you know i'm just i i think
it i think it sucks i think that encanto is a beautiful movie with great music and amazing visuals
and at the end spoiler alert i guess i don't know whatever uh spoiler alert for encanto uh at the end
the the family learns their lesson that the magic was was love or whatever and then they get their
magical powers back or like the magic was love and community and that was that was what made them
special and then they just get their just actual magic back so at the they've learned nothing then
there was no loss it was just reset to the beginning of the movie but now mirabella is happy
or something yeah like it just yeah yeah i've got yeah i've got people talking about yeah exactly
exactly like just have a backbone let something bad happen let it be bittersweet let it not be just
oh wow uh elijah is very animated about this i stood up and walked out of the room yelling out of anger
had a chance to be one of the best movies yeah no you're you're a hundred percent right because i've
never seen it you can tell you can tell the movie was supposed to end there that's the big one is
when i can tell what was supposed to happen and then someone with oh we can't do that someone with
no primary or secondary sexual characteristics okay came into the meeting well no you can't say balls
you know
you always impress me always always impress me should have waited till he was drinking
okay
someone walked in the room and went
no this might make people actually feel something
and it's like forget it bail that sucks
yeah yeah it sucks yeah in canto and and harry potter i think are probably my favorite examples of
that where they just chickened out there's a bunch but yeah those are those are strong ones
those are recent and hugely culturally significant yes yeah exactly but yeah it's definitely like a thing that happens
all right yeah
um oh let's uh yeah let's do a topic you were talking about uh let's not do a topic
yeah you were talking about what was the name of the game again sea of stars
um final fantasy 6
been playing more of it oh yeah yeah oh you don't like it anymore
no i do like it i don't like doing it three times
oh hold on hold on i'm trying to i'm trying to remember what you're talking about
hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on okay
i didn't say it on the stream but you do know
hold on oh that i don't think i said on stream i thought i thought you meant something to do with the game
no yeah it's been pretty good i do think three times you had another crash i had one more crash
oh and then i stopped playing it tried to figure out what was going on
couldn't figure out what was going on it was only crashing in final fantasy 6
which again is just weird that's random um but i i uh i just nuked all my drivers
even though i'm not reinstalling the card and it was completely fine for like half a year
i just nuked all my drivers as clean as i possibly could reinstalled everything
and i'm gonna try it again this weekend and see how it goes
but i lost like an hour and then i lost like almost the same amount of progress but i think
like half an hour this time or something because i knew it was going on that's really annoying um
i do yeah i i do think this the part of the game that i'm currently in is feels a little bit less
engaging than what i just got through um i was at like the big fight when they're like trying to
assault the town that you're in yeah whatever um i beat that that was cool there's a lot of lead
up to that that was all really exciting and now like i'm not quite as engaged as i was but it's
still good i'm at like what is it to play zozo or something oh oh uh it's real okay pretty soon
yeah i started getting smacked around a little bit yeah yeah the fight was actually really easy
no no that that's fine zozo's a real challenge yeah um they hit hard yeah and all of a sudden you
have to like figure out magic yeah yep i'm running into that but it keeps like dying the game deletes
my progress while i'm in zozo i love the music in zozo the music's pretty cool um i'm trying to
figure out i can tell there's like something going on that i don't understand but then i i don't know
if i've gotten to the point where i can't actually understand it because i haven't finished zozo
because it keeps crashing um but there's like all the people keep talking about the second hand
and stuff don't like i'm not trying to i'm gonna ignore chat for a little while yeah zozo's zozo's
a weird place yeah yeah there's some weird stuff going on i have you know picked up on a few things
like the town before everybody tells you they're liars and then you show up and they tell you very
specific things yeah so it's like okay i'll just do the opposite or whatever and then that's been
working out yeah but i think there's other stuff going on um i just haven't had enough time to
like really explore it and figure it out yet fox in a box reminded me of how to train your dragon
yeah i kind of just pretend the third movie doesn't exist yeah uh the first two are incredible
how to train your dragon one is one of my all-time favorite movies i think they just i
i don't see how it was possible for them to deviate that much from the source material
and still just make such an absolute banger of a movie do you like the source material it's great
yeah yeah have you read it no oh okay yeah no it's great the movie and it was great but i haven't
read it it's great in its own way but to give you some idea how different it is toothless
okay for okay for one thing okay to give you some idea how different it is the vikings and the
dragons are coexisting already at the very beginning of how to train your dragon the book series
i haven't watched it in a long time but isn't that like the plot of the first one or something
yeah that they don't yeah yeah so toothless is this big um and like lives in hiccups shirt
um that's pretty different yeah
that's cool though yeah did they work with the writer to like make a derivative
or did they just come up with it on their own i don't know if cressida cowl cowl cowl so i can't
remember her name uh but uh i don't know how involved she was in the movies but they are
completely different um but they did they did the typical movie thing so the the books end well
um and but they did the typical movie thing where in the third one it's just like yeah there's a sad
ending and then they're just like fail
yeah i hate that i don't know i saw some people talking about how their kids movies you know
they're you're not the target audience it's like right but the kids media that i remember so much
had sadness it had emotion like one of one of maybe no i i think it's fair to say one of my favorite
movies when i was a kid was the land before time that is a devastating it has it's emotionally
yeah people are already pointing it out one of the most like quintessential obvious examples is
bambi yeah doesn't come back alive nope no mama's dead yeah yeah and lion king yeah mufasa is like
he's fucking dead you can't undo that you know yeah like this whole just like i don't know uh uh time
travel uh uh resurrection uh just undo the negative effects like yeah nah man
anyway uh we're supposed to do sponsor spots apparently sorry dan what do we got i fix it
the show is sponsored by i fix it linus talk about our past relationship with him yeah man
i fix it has been a huge supporter and for a long time i would have said of the show but what i mean
to say is they've been a supporter in a bigger way than just the show i fix it is one of the sponsors
that i think we are probably most aligned with in terms of our beliefs and our goals as a company
um and like every time i've seen them do pretty much anything i'm like yeah it's it's the right thing
to do whether whether it's their products whether it's their partnerships yeah the fact that man
when when valve announced that oh so sick you'd have access to so sick to to third well excuse me
first party parts to service your steam deck when i found out that it was i going to be through i
fix it i was like man confidence level through the roof exactly because they have one of those brands
that's just when they're involved you know that someone who cares is working on it um so so the
things that they do that we love they promote the repairability of electronics they promote the
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something from i fix it if it's an adhesive strip or a pack of you know screws or whatever else it is
it's it's the it's the brand name replacement part but the prices are reasonable yeah so check
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the big thing i mean nobody's perfect i'm sure someone somewhere has some criticism of something
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place great stuff and we support that i've never seen this before and it's not even on sale but
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whole set in those what are we supposed to be doing next three merge messages what really oh no let's do
a topic let's do a topic okay sold yeah we took so long yes you did epic finally wins a jury has
sided with epic in their lawsuit against google agreeing that google used anti-competitive business
practices to maintain the play store's dominant position in the android app distribution market
so how is that possible but they've lost to apple okay so as far as i can tell it came down to oh here
look it's in our notes epic lost a similar battle against apple which it is currently appealing to the
supreme court a major distinction between the two fights seems to be that while apple just
disallowed competitors from its platform outright google suppressed competition through behind the
scenes deals while technically allowing third-party app stores google executives also made the error of
writing things down and attempting but failing to delete the evidence so it turns out you just have
to be even more of a monopolist and then it's not a problem yeah i would prefer the just not allowing
i i would i would actually say if i had to pick one and apparently the jury agrees apples well i think
they're both wrong google is likely to appeal the ruling however this marks the first major antitrust
decision in the u.s since the one against microsoft over 23 years ago and there should have definitely
been a lot more can i just say i'm rooting for a lot more yeah like for real man apple meanwhile is
likely to get hit with an eu ban on the app store's current anti-steering rules that ban music services
from pushing users towards alternate subscription options the european council is also investigating
apple's restrictions on its tap and go combined payment feature in response apple has offered to open
the feature up to apple pay competitors i think that between the u.s finally recognizing google's
nonsense and the eu continuing he was just awesome to just they just win completely understand what
apple's doing everything apple is doing is pretty much to maintain its stranglehold on the walled garden
ecosystem i don't know what group of people in the eu because i i don't pay attention there's enough
stuff going on in canada um i don't know what group of people is like championing these things
within that governing body but damn doing good work absolute giga chads yeah um and i i can't say i'm
the biggest fan of epic and yeah you know no i'm not saying everything tim sweeney has ever done
is um nope good at all um some of it's great yeah this is great even uh even my my one personal
toe-to-to-toe with him i ended up being more right than um i was led to believe i was i was i was
treated like i was completely wrong and i was wrong about a lot of things the ps5's you know ssd
architecture was very cool and i you know it was probably dismissive of it in a way that i shouldn't
have been and i would have understood better if you know blah blah blah i had watched mark
cerny's presentation and i corrected all that and i was i was wrong about a lot of things but what i
wasn't wrong about was that sweeney was clearly sucking sony's dick over it uh in a way that
seemed disproportionate and then what was it two weeks later i think so a week later it came out that
sony had made a huge investment into epic games it was really fast so even though i got some of the
details wrong my bullshit detector was 100 calibrated the argument yeah uh yeah yeah uh but
but with that said the way that they've gone about this like we shouldn't just like crap on the good
things that they're doing because we haven't agreed with someone over everything we've ever done in the
past and they have clearly not accepted a ruling that just helps epic games they have clearly drawn a
line that says no we want a solution for the entire ecosystem that just breaks down the walls around
these gardens whether they are explicit walls or hidden walls and just cut the bullshit like the
funny thing is that's how it always used to work you could buy it an application is what we used to call
it from anywhere and there was competition in the marketplace and you could install it on your
freaking computer and then we just all kind of lost track of that because oh no this is i don't know
it's a phone it's not a computer it's a computer none of this matters get it any get the application
anywhere and there are ways to ensure that these applications are just as
safe as if they were purchased through the play store through an app store i don't know well
you've got the tabby bit and i feel like if it came undone but the tabby bit was done it would
just flap like this but having on the bottom they're just gonna hinge but if i wanted my uh what what's
the point of these right right right but then if i wanted my cleavage to show i wouldn't want the tabs
there oh i don't know maybe they're supposed to go on the side i'm i'm just not sure
no he no no the tab dan we're talking about what the tab is for yeah
the top to the top then but then what if what if you have a low cut yeah it's not for that oh oh sorry
there you go now you look better is this a serious podcast
i had this is a podcast i had a moment like 23 minutes ago hold on i'm sorry i'm gonna let you
finish but what this comes up a lot what the f**k is the difference between this and a podcast
people keep telling me the when show is not a podcast and honestly admittedly i don't watch
podcasts i don't listen excuse me i don't listen to them what is the difference how many podcasters
there's literally no difference there's just technically a podcast we post the audio to all
of the podcasting sites i was just gonna say literally in charge of dealing with all the
back backline systems for the podcast version of this and some of them we even just upload the whole
video you can watch the wan show with video on spotify which i didn't even know was a thing
really you didn't know that i didn't know that spotify sent me a christmas present oh that's
yeah apparently we're like a creator on that platform now i was like who the f**k are you
when like the rep reached out oh my god
he didn't say it that way oh we just left no i mean that's way more words than i type in emails
yeah we went through this last week yeah yeah no no we just uh we just technically left spotify
yeah that's like that's like five whole words we left spotify we're on different more better
spotify now what's what's that it's still what is it i don't know if we're gonna talk about it or
not but maybe i thought you had been mentioned we're still on spotify we're still on spotify
we are yeah but it's more better what we changed the way that we're on spotify well what's that
none of this oh okay so we're not having a business meeting on wan show do you want to
have a business meeting on wan show theoretically it should get on there faster is this confidential
because people i have no idea i don't think so okay we get a lot of we get a lot of negative
feedback when the wan show goes up like the next week on spotify yeah no one wants to work on it over
the weekend yeah it's amazing how that works people are super mad when there's a perception that we
have crunch or overwork our employees but they're even more mad yes when the wan show doesn't
miraculously get posted instantly on the weekend when it's like still processing or it's a funny
thing right it's like what i don't know what do you guys want well the new system should allow us
should allow me uh to post it immediately after the wan show yeah tacky the penguin says just pay
someone to work on the weekend what if they don't want to work on the weekend you're already paying me
i'm already here did you ever think of that yeah so it should be it should be faster now
and there's other cool benefits there is um i and i think it goes on more more platforms now i don't
think so it's just a centralized platform so that we don't have to have 700 000 accounts yeah and it
is a spotify uh partner thing it's called megaphone yeah so it gets distributed out from them okay by them
okay still spotify we just one one source it do the thing now dan doesn't have to go boop as many
times i don't even touch it that's other people yeah it's like five other people for multiple hours
to produce the podcast version of the live broadcast version of the whatever the show this is yeah i
don't the talk show it's a talk show that's a live stream and it's also a podcast and it's snowing on
the banner yeah i love it who knows was that a good business meeting goodbye yeah it was pretty
good business meeting um realistically guys yes we we could have someone work a 20 minute
shift on oh wait no we can't do that because that's illegal yeah okay so hold on no we could
have someone do a tuesday to saturday um except what would they what would they do for the rest of
their day nobody else is in office and i guarantee you they don't want to do that
uh yeah almost almost nobody wants to give up and what if they have a problem
well then they're gonna call me yeah yeah great perfect guess what i don't want to work on saturday
yeah and you know what there are things that we do do on weekends but they are
it's not supposed to be a scheduled thing to happen every single week yeah like this this sunday
we're coming in to shoot a video but the only reason we're doing that is because the video is about
upgrading our infrastructure which is something we can't do yeah i was gonna say every once in a
while dan or sean or just sean or just dan or whatever will have to come in to do some form
of infrastructure thing because you you don't want downtime while people are here like it happens but
it's not something you want to schedule like and i think it should be recurring schedule it being
recurringly scheduled like that would i think be a issue legally right it's like this is hilarious
maybe people are flipping out in floatplane chat you can't schedule someone to work for a single
hour in canada no no you see guys minimum guys i think this is where a lot of the miscommunication
around the union thing comes from we have really strong worker protections here like just at all
no i know you can't do that because it's not considered reasonable for someone to commute to
and from a place of work and then only be scheduled for a very short shift i believe the minimum is four
hours um and so you know above and beyond that we do a lot and all i've ever said i've never said
you know they can't because i can't say that because that's illegal um all i've ever said is that i would
consider it a failure i would think that we screwed up if people felt that that was necessary
it looks like it's i thought i swear it was four but it looks like it's two oh okay it might also
depend but like that would also be a super lame thing to do well yeah so like you don't want to
do that even if we could do that we wouldn't it's stupid yeah
yeah yeah guys it's just it's man it's
anyway yeah i just looked up the hours of work and overtime for british columbia and it says two
i i totally had the understanding that it was four i think the four might be like if you're scheduled
for a shift and then you get there and you're there for 20 minutes and they go oh actually we
don't need you today we have to you have to pay out four is that it if they try to send you home
yeah yeah that might be it four hours minimum even if they have nothing for you to do yep um
yeah so i don't know guys yeah it's we could but there's another factor it's a relatively low priority
yeah and now it doesn't even matter yeah you could get it on youtube you could get it on floatplane
yeah we had people asking why the floatplane one is delayed and that's just because of processing
time processing time we don't have youtube magic we don't do live processing stuff it's kind of cool
the the youtube stuff yeah oh yeah absolutely it's super cool we don't have that super cool
yeah yeah maybe someday maybe not all right uh what else are we supposed to be talking about right now
oh i love this tesla demands statute of limitations on lying yeah this is amazing that moment like this is
some supreme level gaslighting stuff right here uh i didn't lie but if i did it doesn't matter
yeah because it was a long time ago uh following a two-year investigation the california department
of motor vehicles is accusing tesla of misleading advertising concerning its full self-driving
feature something that i'd like to point out that we were calling them on many years before
the department of motor vehicles brought it up and tesla thinks that delay for them to bring it up
is a really big deal tesla argues that it relied on the assumption that the dmv tacitly accepted its
marketing because tesla started using the term full self-driving in 2016 and the dmv didn't act until
2021 wow tesla also claims that california's false advertising rules for autonomous vehicles
inappropriately restrict constitutionally protected speech that is truthful and non-misleading
so because no one called you on your bullshit for a long time you should get off now there are
things that work that way like we had talked before about how um i believe this came up when we were
talking about uh react streamers where uh yeah there are actually rules in place where if you know that
someone is infringing your copyright you have to defend and you intentionally allow them to continue
to do it for a long time so that you can seek additional damages um that can that can blow up in
your face and you you can lose that because you didn't do anything about it but this is different
there is no increase in damages that the dmv is after they're just saying you can't do that
um i don't know maybe the down what i actually don't know what damages thereafter i have no idea
okay forget that
huh yeah what would the what would the difference be here that's very interesting
could they make the argument that they you know didn't know or realize the extent of it they needed
to conduct their investigation i think this is going to be this is going to be an interesting one
there is weird stuff because like do you remember remember that i'm gonna i'm gonna offshoot here a
little bit for a sec but do you remember that whole thing where the subway sandwiches were not
actually a foot long and they said that foot long was just like the name not a descriptor
and all that kind of stuff they ended up losing that and they're they're an actual foot long now
um
hmm so like there there was a bunch of that going on at that time
i if i remember correctly there was like fresh never frozen from some other place
i don't know if that's the exact timeline but it's something along those lines and they were like
tim hortons maybe it was i don't know i don't remember it was it was one of them that was something
like that um i don't remember if it was exactly that don't look too far into it um
but they were like
yeah 100 real canadian beef something like that is also a
company not a tagline yeah like that's that's crazy it's like that's the name of our company
that doesn't actually mean anything it's like okay come on like this type of stuff is not
maybe that's the one i was thinking of i don't know um but this type of stuff is not really
super new but it is definitely super bs
okay well at any rate uh good luck with that everyone uh we're supposed to do three merch
messages now dan you want to hit me
oh i heard his chair move i thought he thought he was coming over here
i didn't think i did anything that bad today i'm so ready to go i've been preparing for this
okay let's see um hey lld we know linus has cameras in his house
linus that's creepy uh linus what went into your decision to include them
uh did you have discussions with the family about privacy keep up the great work
um yeah i mean the decisions to include them i think when we first installed them
was when we first got a nanny like a like an outside of our family nanny
um and we were very upfront with them that we had them when we hired them we got them in advance
of hiring the nanny so that it wouldn't be a weird change a surprise yeah uh but we we just wanted the
peace of mind of knowing what the heck was going on in our house um and it's been so useful for
everything from figuring out which cat is peeing on things to where i left my keys to what actually
happened when two kids come to me with different stories that i just don't see how i would ever go
back at this point i thought it was going to be super weird when you first set it up and then i was
like whatever i don't know like realistically you've probably hmm how do i say this you've probably said
things in my house that if they leaked on the internet you wouldn't be happy about it
probably and yeah that could mean anything yeah um but at the end of the day
i mean i think we have enough mutual trust that that doesn't matter um and i think that's probably a
pretty big part of it like i don't know i don't know how i'd feel like if i just went over to
someone's house and they like didn't tell me about it and i like noticed part way through oh
interesting yeah and or if it's someone that you don't know and you're exactly yeah okay um yours i
think something that helps is they have that blue thing yeah they're like very like they're not hiding
yeah whenever there's motion they yeah they're like very much like hey reminder that i'm here
like they're not it doesn't feel like you're trying to sneak the cameras um but if i figured
out like way into a night of hanging out that like this person had a recording of the entire thing
and i didn't really know this person all that well and stuff that might be weird yeah it's technically
legal here yeah we're a we're a single party consent um territory yeah but it's still considered
um i don't know if i would say taboo but it's it's still definitely considered odd
um to just you know be recording pull out your phone and record a conversation like it's it's
clear you expect something to go down um i don't know man i it's it's it's mostly just a convenience
thing for me the the reality of it is that cameras don't do anything to protect you from theft the only
the only outcome the only somewhat positive outcome we've had from um a break-in that we had at the
office a number of years ago was that they ultimately did catch the guy but we didn't get
anything back yeah uh we we still had to pay out our insurance because everything they confiscated was
evidence it's like okay cool so they're like yeah you should probably just like go through your
insurance because it could be years before you get this stuff back because the court's moved slow
it's like okay thanks for that that's really great um super cool uh anyway i i don't remember
where we're going with this dan you want to hit me again yeah sure we'll do that uh that top one there
sure what is the most legitimate hard-hitting or cutting bit of criticism you have received
from your viewers oh man the most legitimate it's hard to say because when we get feedback that i think is
really legitimate we try to act on it um and hard-hitting
i think the most hard-hitting thing could is gonna be something that seems relatively simple on the
surface like this is boring um i don't know about that i definitely i definitely took it to heart in a
big way when people were rightly critical of us for um doing that that sponsored video with facebook
on the portal it was a product that for the purpose that it served it served its purpose it was a video
calling machine for video calling people on facebook but from a price to performance standpoint you know
aside from it doing what they said it was going to do it's not like i it's not like anyone here felt
it was the best possible solution for that and we did all of our usual things where we we went out of
our way to not say anything that we don't believe um we included talking points clearly presented as
talking points um but people were were upset with us working with facebook at all and so
that's something that we have that's something that changed the way that we looked at sponsor
engagements back then and has persisted up until now um i don't know if we've had
many opportunities if any to work with facebook on you know product hardware sponsorships or anything
like that but i'm not aware of us having done so that doesn't mean that we don't work with facebook
at all i mean we post our videos on their platform so they they write us checks um i know we did a thing
where they had like this um it was like a podcast thing or like like spaces or something i forget what
it was even called but we had like some guests and we did we did like a sponsored series there
uh but people made it very clear that especially with what was going on with uh meta then oculus um
and facebook and the way that they were handling all of that that they were really unhappy with
facebook's sort of hardware division and didn't want us working with them so you know that's something
um i've got to say uh a lot of our i feel like a lot of our transparency in sponsorships
has kind of bitten us in the butt i think that people see us talk about sponsorships a lot
and talk about our relationships with companies a lot and then assume that you know everything they
see is just the tip of the iceberg and for every one thing that we disclose there's probably 10 that
we don't uh one thing that was really frustrating recently was the amount of negative feedback we took
over our playstation portal review i was really up front that i'm bullish on these devices i think
they're super cool um i think that for the audience the playstation portal is a solution that could
make sense i think the pricing makes sense on a hardware level realistically you are not at the
required margins of a you know publicly traded company like sony and its various retail partners
you're not building a device for less than 200 that does that stuff we expressed our our doubts
about the future of the device if sony keeps it locked down and optimism about the community
jailbreaking it and we said everything that we had to say about it and the number of people that
have looked at that video and gone obvious shill paid by sony has been really discouraging because
we haven't talked about this but we explicitly turned down a sponsorship for the playstation portal
we've actually never to my knowledge worked with sony in a sponsored capacity and it's possible
that a deal or two has happened that i'm not aware of sure but i'm not aware of any and we specifically
didn't take any money on the playstation portal because we were concerned about the optics
of us liking it talking about it positively when we knew that there was a subset of people that were
really angry about it and we kind of went yeah this is not the right thing for our audience and
we need to make sure that we keep this one purely editorial and then to have that like thrown in our
faces was um i just don't really know what to make of it i i i i don't understand the whole situation
it's like can you imagine for a second a product that wasn't made for you yeah i i've brought this up
before but related to uh reviews of different technology but like having every single person in your
entire sphere say the exact same is not actually uh say the exact same thing is not actually a good
experience you you want people to show different opinions and just because you're like a xbox fanboy
or a pc fanboy uh and it's not for you doesn't mean it didn't sell out like immediately and every person
that i know that owns a playstation bought one and is also happy with it well just the super flawed
logic right like i saw people talking about how this isn't a 200 device it's a 700 device because you
also need a playstation 5 what the fuck are you talking about you already have a playstation 5
or you wouldn't be buying this you need to buy another one now no i i don't know it's not a
product for me that's like saying a tank of gas costs 25 000 because you have to have a car to put it in
like the like little tree air freshener that's a really good analogy actually
i just don't know how to deal with it right and it's it's really funny because so much of the
of the conspiracy theory this must have been sponsored stuff that gets posted about us it's
from people who so obviously don't understand how brands work and how sponsorships work that i just
don't really know how to even begin to correct it right like we talk openly in that video about
jailbreaking the portal do you imagine for a second that any executive at sony would green like that
are you f***ing stupid honestly
yeah
wow you know
wow
that's not how that works that's not how any of that works
brands are so cautious about their image and about controlling their messaging guys
that think about it they will pull their advertising off of a platform
just because there might be a risk that they're completely separate ad might show near something that
they find incompatible with their brand
yeah come on you know come on
common sense it's it's hard it's really hard
um it's not that hard please
i can't
um yeah so so you know i think
the hardest hitting sorry back to the original question i
got completely derailed here
hardest hitting
um
but legitimate
yeah luke's probably right when the content sucks
it's and we know it's time to innovate and it's hard
yeah especially when you tried on something
and then a
not insignificant amount of people
are like
it's like oh man
uh
they've been going down lately
it's like damn dude like i actually put effort into this one
if you did just like fart it out then sure whatever
maybe the problem is that a lot of the time the fart out stuff is what performs really well
and the stuff we work really hard on like the playstation
best performing video of all time was a fart out
dude the playstation portal we worked really hard on
yeah we we crunched
um we didn't get it till late
um we
because there was the sponsorship opportunity we
uh we had to have meetings internally to kind of talk about whether this makes sense and
and if we should proceed um we we wanted to test it in a way that was meaningful given that
reviews of the device were already out before we even got access to ours
so we wanted to we wanted to you know up our game and make sure we were
doing a very comprehensive look at it including uh pickups
after we had shot it to address new information that had come to light like information about the soc
uh but so much of the criticism about that video was just utterly unfair like i i was taken to task
at uh by a number of people over talking about how it has storage it doesn't have any storage
of course it has storage what else does the operating system run on
i included storage in the cloud i included storage in my bill of materials because of course it has storage
what do you think the bits are magic i'm sorry i keep talking about this but like
what are you talking about you might not have money yeah you might not even have access to it
yeah but it's still there still there they still had to pay for it yeah it's not magic yeah geez man yeah
oh anyway come on man the os isn't storage no but it sits on it
oh man oh man it's bill of materials they had to buy a thing that you can put data on
to put inside the playstation portable it doesn't mean you can use it it's just all wire memory
oh yeah wire memory thank you dan um
do you want another merch message no all right uh hi dll given some of the messes amd has managed
to make even as the nice guy of the graphics industry what would happen if nvidia really
does leave the graphics and radeon becomes the big dog in town they would do exactly what they did in
cpus and they would stomp all over you and maximize their profits for their shareholders i mean they're
a corporation right that's what they do and before you say it yes linus media group incorporated
is also a corporation but there's a very big difference between a company with
many many shareholders and a complex corporate structure and one that has two shareholders who sleep
together ivan and i are pretty aligned on things and if we decide that our corporation can just
you know make less money because we feel like it's the right thing to do then we can do that but
that's not something that a company with a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders can do
so it's not quite the same thing but also corporations are not your friends any of them
trust but verify is there any other sort of things that we should remind people of don't
pre-order yeah yeah no i think that one's pretty good don't buy a playstation portal if you don't
have a playstation yeah maybe yeah maybe you're right it's not for you maybe it is a bad product for
you maybe it's a bad product i don't even know yeah i i have no interest in it because i don't have a
playstation yeah so why do i care but my job is to put myself in the head of someone who might be
interested in that product and people with playstations really liked the review yeah oh man
i don't know sorry okay i was unsure about it uh because people were mad at you about it and i was
like does this matter and i checked in with friends that have playstations and they're like all right
i got one seems pretty all right like okay i don't know yeah yeah
all right uh what are we supposed to be doing right now i don't know we're way off track uh you
can either topic yeah go back to topics segment what is advert games i have uh the advert game
segment if you would like to participate okay yeah can we play advert games you get to play advert games
nice we'll probably do with the top one and the bottom one first or you can start with the middle
one one of them requires a laptop the other one requires an xbox um why don't you just tell us
what to do because i think my brain is basically fried today was a really long day let's just go in
order we did the order makes it more complicated we did a tech upgrade for electro boom oh cool it's
that's probably sick he hugged me oh that's cool the upgrade was that good did he do it while
electrified no actually oh wow i mean he did that too no no it was he said this was this was this is
crazy because i think it's so easy to get stuck in our bubble of just you know we
three fps here and you know uh everyone everyone i don't i don't know what bubble it is but just the
bubble where we live and breathe technology and it's mind-boggling to us that other people don't
you know um he said to me i thought lag was just part of life
because uh he was scrubbing the timeline on his new pc and it was instant it was just fluid
and he was like this is going to help me so much um he's a he's a he's a he's a he's an
interesting character i love metty he's just one of the most genuine people um so down to earth
you know he's got six million subscribers like the guy's the guy's huge right like you know he's
the kind of guy where you know great artists his kids friends come over and want selfies with their
dad right like you know like he's huge and he's just a normal dude super nice dude super cool dude
uh but sometimes he does drive me crazy a little bit because he doesn't make investments that to me as a
techno file are kind of obvious and he just you know tolerates
things not working and i'm just like constantly weird and confusing to me i'll hear about some
creator that's like massive and it's like what's their like data storage solution it's like eight
usb hard drives and it's like what yeah what yeah because imagine this some people have a life
outside of tinkering with their computer no i know it's illegal but it's so it's so hard i think
for us and and i'm including myself and him and you guys it's so hard for us to imagine that other
people don't want to build a computer on the weekend but that is just the last thing that they want to do
they want to go climb a mountain yeah or they want to go uh for dinner with friends in person
or they whatever right they want a game on their playstation 5 on their portal which is a perfectly
legitimate product to buy if it solves a problem for you
yeah right like there's there's there's other things that other people prioritize other than doing
things with their computers and with technology and so you know but but that doesn't mean that
i don't love it and that i don't love sharing that excitement and that passion and seeing people
appreciate the things that i spend my time on uh is really cool and you know hearing that was uh it
was awesome it's a great video i think there's going to be a ton of floatplane exclusives is it a
amd tech upgrade no it's just just it's just uh we group we felt like doing a tech upgrade from eddie
and we went and just got a random sponsor because uh it wasn't five thousand dollars
i think the computer tower was five thousand dollars oh wow and we did man we did everything
we did like monitors um better filming equipment uh better networking he's got a tv like we we decked
him out because we're just like meddy's meddy's a bro yeah he's come out and collab with us a couple
of times asks nothing in return absolutely nothing other than the pleasure of our company and to hang
out and make a video and you know get out of the office for a little bit and and like he's just a
genuine dude yeah and for a long time too and so we were just like you know who'd be cool to
just deck out meddy so we went for it um anyway it was a really long day though
uh sorry dan are we supposed to be doing something we're supposed to play games i want to play games
yeah okay adver games adver games i'm down your laptop's hdmi place you want that uh okay you want
uh okay oh yes yes i understand in there yeah okay uh it'll work it'll be fine because of this thing
being stuck down if you put it right there it won't press any buttons we set his daughter up
with a framework laptop nice um okay and okay sure okay wait am i the only one playing luke doesn't
play you can wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow what a dick yeah it's all his fault i don't
know who else worked on it but it's his fault uh okay i blame you dan it's the only few things
that i get to torch you guys with um so preferential treatment i'm not feeling tortured i feel good
unless this game is terrible and i'm the one getting f***ed hey hey um okay you never know
so um yeah feel free to hit run and i will switch over to your laptop i'm already getting screwed over
this is connected via bluetooth he's setting me up to fail oh yeah you know it all right oh here
we go oh okay so what the challenge is to figure out who it was i mean coke probably wait is that the
challenge i think so we have you may try to guess which brand sponsored each game uh can you even
can you even move how am i supposed to play this oh there you go what's happening maybe we got this
one for free so uh let's see while the game was meant to boost morale most employee recipients
discarded their copies only 125 copies were distributed making it one of the rarest atari 2600 games to
exist and actual copies of it have sold for 1825 dollars on ebay wow so this was an actual atari
cartridge i'm gonna get the p you watch me get the oh dang it watch me get the pp there we go
those eyes look troublesome now those are you gonna get the thing those eyes are no problem is there a
bonus for the hitting the pepsi logo oh coke what dang it get back here wait what's up with that yeah
what what was up with that dang it
dang it get over here oh no you gotta wait for the comeback you're not fast enough oh one more
can he do it can he do it nicely done nicely done and then i just do it again forever you defeated
you defeated the coke good good job does it even store your scores or anything i don't know i don't
know well no it's adding to the score i got last time so i'm getting like a higher harder for the
second wave okay do you want to try the next one sure i guess yeah okay go back to the wine camp
yeah linus linus successfully shot the pp uh okay uh sure thanks dad okay so do you want to do the
next one luke i i don't sure i mean i i can do it too it doesn't matter yeah you know what just it's
here yeah all right so this one we actually have to guess because we don't actually know i guess this
one is probably going to be a little bit more difficult if i'm being perfectly honest okay um
so let's take this something we would even know i don't know uh probably yeah definitely oh so let's
go over to linus's laptop and we'll get this going linlora so this game is called darkened sky
okay where did you start from i loaded a game oh you didn't just start from the top
i thought that i was supposed to probably no maybe i don't know that's what i would have thought
i would definitely start a new game oh okay really yeah i mean this is only six minutes in dan
really okay fine meow meow meow meow meow meow okay i can't figure out how to do anything i have drawn my
weapon i'd start a new game i'm not sure how to swing it is there a tutorial or something you regened is that
hp in the bottom left you regened that really fast okay so right right trigger is jump what are
these controls dan it's uh it's supposed to be a gamecube controller uh okay i have never played on
gamecube so i would have no way of no oh okay left trigger is this let me just see if i can get rid of
your i mean this seems really good um you know what yeah get out of combat for a second or something
oh okay i i proceeded down a gentle slope and well you were i think you were out of hp and you got
shot at the same time there there you go okay okay so i'm at the beginning of the game now i think
so yeah oh look i got a secret a rune mine uh sure oh i wanted to whack him wow that voice acting
i love it actually though necroth would call me dim sum right about now so an expert on okay food
are we i happen to live out near his neck of eternal chaos i hitched a ride here with his minions
great i just love me oh wow they're necroth special forces they know all about your orange discovery
i'll give you a hint after the cutscene you don't want a hint okay why would you want to help the hood
i love it let's just say he whose face may not be glimpsed and i have issues want my help yay or nay
thinking of going with yay okay yeah that didn't really seem like that convincing a sales pitch to
me i have a feeling necroth is supposed to be like the big giveaway i have no idea
what the heck why was i swinging around so much when they weren't there and that
what is this move okay i think double tapping is a heavy attack
you know what i'm sorry dan but i just have no idea what's going on right now i would uh okay well
another cutscene hold on
the old woman named ganish she can tell you about that orange thing of yours that has everyone's
willies in a bunch oh that's right the orange thing orange thing oh the rune of power
oh it's a power rune it's a magical rock it's a skittle it's a skittle
what kind of subliminal nonsense did they think they were doing here so is that as explicit as it
gets or is it now that i'm not entirely sure about um it's skills it's technically well we've got some fun
facts here it's technically not an adventure game or sorry adver game because the brand didn't pay
simon and uh schuster simon and schuster paid a royalty on sales to use the brand
so they they paid to have skittles as their ruins of power it seems like i didn't know that that's
absolutely messed up what oh sky is voiced by linda larkin best known as the voice of princess jasmine
in disney's aladdin wow so this had at least some kind of a budget i mean it's not evident from
what's happening right now a young girl named sky finds one of five brightly colored magical stones
then embarks on a quest to collect all the stones searching for her missing mother and defeating the
evil wizard necroft why are they skittles the game features a magic system based on the stones with
different combinations of colors creating different spells the rainbow themed magic stones are in fact
the branded product okay well i think that's um probably enough of that yeah probably yeah
yeah i'll go back to you guys there i just don't understand luke's face is phenomenal okay and the
last one i've got for you you both actually get to play yay cool i think luke sounds very excited
we've seen the quality of gameplay so far i need a different xbox controller i'm assuming this is
connected to something what about second xbox controller why is this one not good
luke wants the runes of power i actually don't i'm good with no runes of power
oh okay let's see how do we do this uh the rooms of power aren't this one candy cane themed handcuffs
should try and play it with those on i'll do it yeah oh he's gonna do it isn't he you must have
known that was gonna happen no the second you said that one of us was gonna end up wearing these
i'm still not used to that i've been doing this for so long and i still forget the power of making
comments like that i'm a little confused by this um okay this warning makes a lot of sense to me
for adult novelty use only warning please discontinue if there's any discomfort for you
or your partners age is 14 plus
wait was partners pluralized oh yeah oh yeah age is 14 plus um yeah more than that please yeah
wow these really are the exact same handcuffs that you could get at the dollar store when i was a
child but with fuzz on them cheap fuzz on them and probably for like 15 dollars yeah 15 bucks exactly
yeah why do you know how much these cost why do you know the price of novelty handcuffs
by the way these are as small as the kid ones too they like barely fit even on me oh wow check mine
let's see i i was able to do two clicks on mine without it being quite uncomfortable you can do any
oh oh just send it hold on is it is it in the hole no no it's not yeah it won't it won't close on
him oh wait it's not in the hole yeah there you go you gotta spit on it no you can't you can't squeeze
i know i was just messing with you yeah no i can't click it yeah i almost got it it was very close yeah
i mean yeah my wrists are not huge and i can only do
ow four really hurts i can do two comfortably okay let's get these on and uh prepare to play a game
already falling apart these seem to be single use items ouch i mean realistically what were you
gonna do wash them okay anyway uh all right let's uh let's go here yeah you're gonna play there there
you go uh i think is that me on the left yeah dude you're booking it you've been booking it for the
last three hours uh i guess how i guess push start uh uh linus i think is is okay there you go
first is it gonna run an obstacle course yeah is this like american ninja yeah exactly
oh i see
i don't a hundred percent understand exactly what we're supposed to be doing you gotta get to the
end as fast as you can so this was a party game developed by uh developed for the xbox 360 and
released for free on the double jump or like i think so uh you can also hold the left trigger to sprint
too oh i think oh well man i didn't know about that freaking helped yeah
uh okay so basically jumping is good i mean i'm so far behind luke that like really i feel like i'm not
doing well there's tutorials in the background sometimes yeah i just didn't oh wow i fell into the
water oh my goodness this is this is getting worse not better okay how long are these courses though
okay like i just i uh i am so far behind you dude i was stuck on one of the jumps for a very long time
because i didn't know how to run yeah the the run helps a lot it do all right so yeah this is an
american ninja warrior game basically it's inspired by that type of thing but the game was yeah i i
want to i want to see if i can guess who actually paid for it though oh yeah i mean i can continue uh
uh sure i can continue giving some explanations but okay next level yeah if you want you can have
a guest you want to have a guest uh mine is american ninja warrior oh i got it i got it you got it oh
yeah are those not american flags what are those flags it's doritos doritos wow that was awesome i was
looking at the wrong screen yeah me too sure i mean both of them were doing the exact same thing luke so
it's not really much of an excuse so how'd you know it was doritos doritos is correct how did you
know it was there was a tiny doritos ad in the in the background oh that's gross i didn't even see
that yeah it was like very small like a little little pop-up doritos thing and then it went away
yeah that's this is weird this is a weird no no no no there we go they seem to sponsor a bunch of
different types of ad for games really so what i didn't get hit by it is that something that's
happened recently or like i have absolutely no idea is this subliminal doritos yeah no i don't need
the rope okay forget it uh oh i'm definitely losing this time uh i i'm probably not as far ahead as you
might think or at all oh i just got clean how did i just do a cartwheel got friggin creamed boys
there was cream involved oh i don't know if you want to say that while we're wearing
you're wearing those sorry i mean it's not like they'd believe me if i said there wasn't
okay so does the rope do something oh yeah sometimes my like controller shakes and i have no idea why
and bad things happen uh i'm not at the bottom of the room too long i feel like really you might be
sprinting for too long american ninja warriors would sprint the whole time so i don't know how
real that is yeah did you win already i guess i thought you were ahead of me no man i i am not
very good at games or this you're better than you say i mean yeah sure often i like the pose that my
person chose to do i like that they put their their fist on their hip but there's a gap
hey you did it wow look there's a gap oh i like that yeah that's good quality my guy's really happy for
someone who came in last yeah doritos okay so here uh here's where i saw it on my screen it pops up
right as we start the next level see yeah there it is very top left oh wow yeah that's pretty small
and kind of like out of the way for time to win because luke wasn't ready what the oh i didn't grab
the rope i'm screwed oh it's over no man i just fell like 300 feet to my doom so down to slide down to
slide down to slide down to slide i'm down to slide oh buddy game oh man it moves you back really
far in this level oh oh i missed does it oh is that little helicopter thing the other player yeah
that's that's luke yeah that's what oh what the oh dang oh a broken nose oh boy those hammer things i
mean that time i definitely gonna hit by it but i often feel like i'm not i shouldn't get hit by it
but i do it kind of feels like a bit of a we both just went off at the same time it kind of feels a
little random like the speed that you have to go through them at and the um the differences in
timing and stuff are just i don't know man what the heck is going on here oh oh there's like the fast path
of above and i didn't realize that yeah what what i can't even see oh there's a projectile my eyes are
too bad i can't advantage linus he will not be able to take advantage of it oh i see what i was supposed
to do you're supposed to oh are you supposed to yeah you're supposed to slide i think i get it
what is this how does this work oh boy um wow what just happened what just happened
oh you can't slide when it's going that way that makes sense oh yeah please no
all right oh oh oh oh terrible oh all right i'm done all right gg and this came off oh
you're just too strong i'm putting it back on this actually seems kind of fun
well not that
yeah the doritos doritos game it was all right yeah yeah darkened sky depending on when that was
released i don't know um no it was pretty bad the no it was pretty it was pretty clunky but it was
you're supposed to be on like gamecube controllers and those are very different it looks a lot newer than
um um it was 2002 soul reaver legacy of kane and the controls of that are a lot better than
darkened sky it also came out on pc as well i believe so did soul reaver legacy of kane perfect
yeah no no man i've not played it sorry all right what are we supposed to be talking about now
um we could do this week in ai that's up to you uh are there any other main topics though
oh we did the amd overclocking thing should we talk about that or we didn't do rather yeah
on monday chinese twitter user david huang
posted a warning that popped up when he was enabling overclocking on his ryzen 7000 cpu which
stated overclocking mode will now be permanently enabled for this processor effectively voiding
warranty as previously stated wow that's pretty brutal in response to user concern amd published a
reaffirmation that overclocking does not void a cpu's warranties enabling overclocking does however
blow a hidden fuse to indicate that overclocking has been used at some point in the chip's history
and overclocking damage itself is not covered
however an overclocked chip is still covered by warranty or repair for other unrelated issues
okay okay okay then so basically we'll do it but only if we say that the damage yeah was not caused
by overclocking which realistically i can tell you having seen the kind of equipment that these brands
use to determine like a low level error in these chips they are not pulling that out for every single
stupid rma it's a dead chip that's that that that's it um so basically the only reason for this fuse to
exist is an easy flag is if they will it's it's like it's like putting moisture sensors in your phone
yeah and then saying but it's fine if you get liquid in it we will honor your warranty um i mean to be
clear i don't think amd has given us any indication yet that they intend to do anything with this flag
with this fuse that can be blown but the fact that they have it at all indicates that they felt they
needed it and the fact that they felt they needed it seems to indicate that they might feel they would
need to use it at some point and i just i have a hard time imagining how they could tell the difference
between a clock that a clock a chip that failed prematurely because it was overclocked or a chip
that failed prematurely because it just failed prematurely the flag would not change anything about
that other than to tell them that you overclocked it at which point they could say at their discretion
it failed prematurely because you overclocked it um
yeah it's a little sketch definitely a little sketch
l erald though says i think it's fair it tells them to look for signs of overcurrent or over voltage
damage and if they find it they could void your warranty but again i gotta tell you they are not
doing that level of analysis on your like 400 cpu to you that's a lot of money to a company like amd
it is not it is actually not worth the time to take a technician and do a micro level analysis like
nano level analysis on this chip and determine if you overclocked it or not because yeah if there could
be some visually very obvious versions of that but there's also a bunch of not yeah also i i want to
mention about crash course a bunch of people are saying that like it was actually a big thing for
like them and their friends growing up that was decently fun yeah i it seemed pretty fun to me yeah
yeah yeah we're trying to dog that i think we were more commenting on the other ones because they
were like it's four player as well so four player couch co-op that's pretty sick that's pretty good
that would have gotten some use if i had that when i was younger for sure no doubt if you the the demo
of fusion frenzy got busted out of my house like all the time so yeah that definitely would have gotten
some use the sliding actually added a surprising amount to the fun um but yeah anyway should we move
on from that it's an important topic to bring up but i don't think there's a ton of discussion
e3 is officially dead yeah was that the one no actually okay well it's dead which is sort of um
was a surprise to me because i didn't realize it was still alive i thought it was dead already
i don't know why i thought that but i definitely did yeah i i just i i i thought it was just already
settled that ea ea excuse me e3 was not a thing anymore yeah so cool taking place since 2019
it was canceled entirely in 2020 2022 and 2023 um what possible expo could continue to survive after
not being an expo for um three years yeah yeah okay well anyway um rip e3 i guess i guess the game
awards now is where everyone does that stuff or their own events i think that yeah online announcements
stuff like that yeah honestly i'm pretty supportive of online announcements yeah why
exactly is it that nintendo directs are great why do we burn like like tons upon tons of jet fuel to
bring people to look at a present like powerpoint like i'm sorry i just i can't fathom it i don't
understand it yeah yeah nintendo directs seriously i i wish more companies did nintendo direct style
things because they're awesome
anyways um should we talk about uh
ubiquity yeah ubiquity customers trade security cameras starting early wednesday users of ubiquity
networking devices have been reporting that they can see and receive notifications from other users
devices through ubiquity's unify cloud portal this was flagged by a reddit user whose wife received a
notification from a unify protect alongside a picture from someone else's security camera another user
logged into the unify site manager and found 88 devices that's a lot that did not belong to them
yet another user logged in and found that they had full access to someone else's udm pro
once the users refreshed the portal page they were shown only the devices associated with their own
accounts following investigation ubiquity has issued a statement saying that this bug was caused by a
misconfiguration in an upgrade to the unify cloud infrastructure according to ubiquity only 12 accounts
were inappropriately accessed and affected users will be contacted the problem has been fixed but is still
under investigation again that is uh ubiquity statement um this is bad yeah discussion question how big is
the risk of our security devices getting compromised and used against us why do we use them anyways um
the risk is big they're a huge target um yeah and we've talked a ton of times on the show about how
you should never really consider um anything that goes on the internet 100 percent bulletproof yeah
like it you can try to do whatever you can to resist against it but if it goes onto the internet there's
a way that other people can get it realistically someone's probably seen my ding dong at some point
dennis oh yeah i mean well i mean aside from dennis
in other news google stops snitching google is changing how it handles data from the maps app so
the company will no longer have access to users individual location histories that means google will
no longer be able to answer geofence warrants so these are warrants that compel the company to disclose
the information of anyone who was in the approximate location of a crime at the rough time that it was
committed nearly all geofence warrants in the us are addressed to google and they represent 25 of
the warrants google gets every year we have some discussion questions here but i actually have a
different discussion question that i want to talk about do you think that this has anything to do with
protecting their users or do you think hold on can you just let me finish the question geez or do you
think that it has more to do with google just not wanting to do the administrative paperwork of
responding to these warrants oh yeah absolutely because there's no way it's simple there's like
there's no way yeah it's legal yeah it doesn't generate revenue touch legal stuff it's annoying as
heck uh and then yeah it's definitely it's definitely not generating revenue um wow my uh nose plugged
there my voice got all weird but um yeah i don't know i'm not surprised at all this is probably a good
thing because companies just collecting insane amounts of data about us is like not great so the
the fact that it's happening the right thing for probably the wrong reasons yeah yeah because if
they were if they were into the whole user privacy thing they wouldn't have done this in the first
place yeah so they never were yeah um and there's definitely no way they're not now can i just take a
moment to say can you imagine committing a crime with your phone on you i mean obviously you know
he seems like step one or whatever but like yo leave that at home
like leave what were they doing i don't know play music put on table leave oh he's listening to music
yeah man it seems like the lowest level like most obvious things but you know yeah there's the whole
criminals are dumb thing yeah i mean the smart criminals probably are doing pretty good for
themselves like anything right there there's the there's the cream and then there's the crud um but
yeah just some some advice free of charge i'm not a lawyer if you're gonna crime leave the phone
or you'll do the time you know oh my goodness uh the day before launches then the day after departs
oh yeah this one i other than other than this game being um just sort of a disaster i i don't really
know anything about this did you try the game no i i hadn't even heard about this until i thought it
was the game that like goat had exposed um because uh we we've talked about goat moth a few times on the
show around like tarkov stuff but he started doing like video game journalism stuff after that and he
did something on a on a military game that sounded somewhat similar that was a huge scam so i assumed
this was that but it's not it's apparently some other one oh okay and now it's gone already like
this whole thing happened so fast i didn't even have time to like notice that it happened i all i saw was
was news about how it got taken off the store and the company disappeared yeah nothing else
and like the stuff that i read was like that they were planning on giving everyone refunds
even if they're above the two-hour thresholds and that they were like closing their company down so
i was like okay this sounds like the story is very over but people keep the work i mean we're talking
about it right now yeah so well that was it yeah cool um after dark yeah but you can't say bye
now i have to end the show oh i meant bye to go luke i'm hitting the button lucas ended the show
i meant bye to like the oh no oh no oh that's actually really difficult to fix
what no i hit the button uh if i hit the button it's different that wasn't the merch message okay
we'll see if the timing works i know i know but oh it doesn't matter did i break something does that
button actually send the dashboard i don't think so it's uh did you make it do that i don't know if
you see letters appear that'll be kind of interesting letters appear oh
letters yeah yeah oh okay yeah the sponsors just like might show up at some okay well that's cool
they'll be the after dark sponsors yeah uh it looks okay i think i think it should have shown up by now
dan yeah they will definitely come and go they'll come they will definitely come and go yeah if they're
gonna come at all oh i see you know what i mean oh yeah okay because it's all an automated timing
thing all right hit me dan oh let me sit down geez okay let's see uh what's a good way to convince a
loved one to let me set them up with a server to keep their over 500 000 photos uh instead of keeping
them on their desk on top of 20 ish flash drives don't because now it'll be your responsibility when
the ultimately someone who has extremely poor data hygiene loses something
they obviously aren't willing to put in the work and you can't save people from themselves and
realistically in a hundred years you'll both be dead and none of those pictures will matter
so don't worry about it sorry little dose of land show after really dark yeah geez
are the toques coming back at some point
dan's like let's get out of this way oh boy i'm saving luke from this thank you
don't think about it
it's cold in the void do you want your head to be warmer when you're in the void sorry why are we
talking about toques is that a merch message yeah yeah it is actually a merch message there's
toques on the store right now aren't there so then yes they're back immediately nice what are they
not i don't know i don't know either it's hard to type like yeah i'll figure it out no i got this
okay uh are they clothing are they hats are they gear is gear hats one of these days i don't think
there's a category for them accessories is it a top a beanie it's a beanie that's an accessory
apparently that's a toque they say sold out notify me when available oh wow we oh we bonus
bend away a lot of these um every single color oh okay i don't know uh linus uh you're gonna
replug that hd mic order oh well there's your problem right there
yeah every single one notify me when available okay well uh i don't know because they
this is an item that wasn't selling particularly well and we took an absolute bath on during black
friday cyber monday to clear them out i i did talk to nick about how next time around we might want to
for things that are selling a little bit but slowly we might want to just not blow away every single
unit but hold on to like a couple hundred so that we have stock for a little bit and people
can still buy them if they feel like it uh but that's not how that went down we blew away every
single one and so now they're gone and whether we bring them back in or not really depends um
maybe on a color by color basis we'd look at the ones that were moving pretty well still but there was a
lot of colors yeah i i think that if we bring back toques maybe we'll kind of reinvigorate them a
little bit somehow because i feel like they moved really well out for a long time and then i think
i don't know maybe just all of you have toques now i'm not sure that makes sense yeah all right
okay let's swing the other way again uh with the discussion of minors on the internet and explicit
content on websites like twitch and twitter how much of this would be mitigated if parents properly
monitored what their kids watched online oh well here's another question how much of the trouble in
the world would be mitigated if god was watching and did something about it
i guess what i'm trying to say is what is happening humans gonna human just just end after dark now
the cuffs have unlocked something he's become too powerful what if nothing in the universe
mattered be nice to each other you think i'm restrained
i've never been more free i just mean people are people are gonna people right and kids are just
little people and there is no such thing as perfect parental supervision and if there was perfect
parental supervision um i think that you would be potentially stunting your kids i mean one of our
kids is probably too honest and so we've had to start having conversations that go hey um sometimes
it is actually a very valuable life skill to be able to hold your cards a little bit closer to your
chest and we're not telling you to lie cheat and steal what we're telling you is that um things take
tact yeah sometimes just the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
is not the best way to handle a situation for everyone involved um and
having a little bit of discretion can actually be valuable so i uh yeah i i don't think that the
right approach is to completely protect kids from anything that could be harmful to them necessarily
so i yeah i just i i don't know if i agree with the question um i i uh i also don't i also don't
disagree with the overall premise that parents should take some responsibility for what their kids are
exposed to and and part of taking responsibility is not necessarily you know putting up a perfect
barrier that prevents anything bad from happening or any bad exposure but talking to them and dealing with
it and you know that's the ideal situation in my mind is things happen and life happens and life's
complicated and people are people are messy right but you you work through it and and you deal with it
are any more luxe items coming keep them coming would love a matching sling or duffel bag i think we're
going to see how the luxe backpack does uh pre-sales are okay and once it's actually in stock and shipping
i do think sales will pick up uh if we hit a certain threshold then yeah i think you'll see more luxe items
from us it's a really cool material this apple leather i was blown away by how good it is but i
think that this is one of those things where just because i say it doesn't mean you should believe
everything i say right i i've told you guys so many times in the past you got to consider everyone's
motivation right what's in it for them obviously what's in it for me is you buying a 600 backpack
so sure you know you could trust me but verify and i think the way to verify is to wait for those
those early orderers to give their independent opinions and then if it's the kind of product
you would consider go for it yeah and you know once we once we see some momentum there yeah i
could see us developing more i think it's a great material but we need to see a willingness from the
audience to to engage with our brand in that way it's a premium product it does cost us a lot
more in materials and workmanship to make than the regular bag that's why that's why the price is a
lot higher um but just because something costs more doesn't mean that people are willing to doesn't
mean people have the perception of that brand that they should have the right to have a product that
costs that much more uh you know maybe if they if you have 600 to spend on a backpack you'd rather buy
from like an established you know luxury brand or fashion brand or whatever else it is and that's
totally your prerogative right so we just need to see if um if that's something that we can build
towards if we can build these luxury goods these um very very high-end products and it's going to be
a bit of a journey or it'll be over you know we're open-minded
that was pretty good
small clap i love it the margin percentage is about the same to the person who asked
can we please have an update on the screwdriver holster i work in maintenance for over 80 apartments and
30 villas and i carry the screwdriver with me every day um no we got nothing right now but
we have pants um this is going to be really hard my headphone goes through here and i need to reach my
backpack
i can
this is a lot harder to maneuver with than i anticipated
do you want me to take your headphones off for you um you'd think with all my practice i'd be able to
that tracks just handling different objects in those scenarios
yeah
i mean when you're working something with both hands it doesn't matter that you can't separate them you
know yeah
oh my god i already had a screwdriver in
anyway the point is um our cargo pants
they have a screwdriver are going to have a screwdriver pocket
oh it goes point down yes because otherwise the point will the the one on this sample is too
small uh we're still working on that but if you have it point up but the pockets in the right
place for it to be ergonomic then it'll stab you in the stomach if you have a bit of a gut
um so we we want we're we're aiming point down and so it'll be there and it'll kind of stick up
and you'll sleep you'll pull it out like that yeah anyway it's in the it's in the larger cargo
pocket for me right now because this sample of the pants it doesn't go in properly yeah our cargo
pants are gonna be awesome
dear ldl what ltd product did you think would be great until the last minute where it turned out
to be a horrible idea also can't wait for the shaft mine is stubby a horrible idea
um horrible horrible is a big word
yeah i curated this one i think you could interpret it as like didn't end up doing as
well as you thought maybe not horrible oh um this is one that i was personally kind of opposed to but
what we did anyway the uh the meme face desk pads were kind of a disaster uh they they didn't sell
particularly well i think we gave away as many as we sold how did the sequin pillows do not very well
yeah okay yeah we kind of we kind of pivoted away from meme products and into what we think we're
really good at which is serious products that are just really good phone cables taking it off slowly
just so you know oh there we go thanks no problem serious company well if they fall off then you
become indecent and we can't have that that's what yeah then the show ends that's important luke is
protecting yeah yeah uh sorry i got distracted by linus's um sorry uh good morning dan linus and luke
are there any things that you haven't done or made because you believed that your significant
other disapproved of it but they actually never said anything about it oh wow interesting uh ivan and i
are very open with each other we are like mind meld at this point we've been together 18 years we've done
absolutely everything together yeah we've been we've been together more than we've not been together
in our lives uh including like infancy so um to say that we barely even remember life without each
other would be true um in both cases i um who i watch movies and tv shows you know where the entire
the entire premise of of the conflict of the story could have been resolved by just
being honest with your spouse about that you lost your job or you know whatever and i just kind of i
kind of have a really hard time watching because even though i know that these are yelling at the tv
yeah yeah just if yeah if you if you felt that way just say something because this could be resolved in
like four minutes you know everyone has a good cry and then you resolve to do better going forward
like i just i um i can't i don't get it yeah yeah viscous creed this was the whole plot of aladdin
100 like it's it's real hard for me to watch and the funny thing is we all grow up with these stories
and we all see how problematic it is and we all do it um and and to and to be honest with you like
outside of my relationship with ivan yeah i withhold things that probably cause problems and
and then it causes problems like we're again humans we're messy right um but with ivan no i actually i
can't say that i can think of a time that that's happened maybe she could she's she's always better
remembering things i've done wrong are you uh you're gonna ask her now yeah i was thinking okay
hey lady you're on the wan show oh hey what's up which means you're on speaker yeah i mean
last person found that confusing and it's a life broadcast seemed pretty self-explanatory to me but
okay yeah um question for you oh the merch message is gone um crap uh uh what is something that you
didn't do uh that you would have been okay but can you think of something that i didn't do because i
thought you wouldn't like it but then it turned out like you never said anything about it and you didn't
care oh man um like a like a miscommunication or like a misunderstanding like somewhere i was like
oh i i'm not going to do that because like ivan wouldn't like it but actually you didn't care and
you never said anything about it oh well there was one the other day in the staff meeting where you
said you chose family instead of cooperation and i was like oh i don't care about that
oh okay i mean i was i was also just like mostly joking with you about that but okay
can you think of anything like bigger we did these hold on one sec we did these like personality
assessment things with the executive team and we had to choose like three things we valued most
and compared to cooperation i chose family which had a very similar description it was
like valuing relationships something something something and um i basically was like yeah i picked
family over that one because they're kind of synonymous but i i figured you'd kill me if i
didn't pick family i was mostly just joking with her um okay anything else
um
hmm are you talking about like in our relationship or
sure anything for like i mean it's wancho after dark there's nothing's off limits i guess
i'm in handcuffs right now fuzzy ones i said i'm in fuzzy handcuffs right now and he's wearing pasties
that's not an expression that's literal yeah i can't really hear luke
uh and he's wearing pasties i don't think she knows what pasties are what are pasties
it's okay don't worry about it okay you're a wonderful person i love you very much
um no what i was gonna say was after this call i'm probably gonna think of all kinds of things
but i can't think of anything right now all right cool perfect that works for me
okay all right thanks love okay okay bye
dude i i can tell with like 95 accuracy when yvonne is not gonna know a word because
almost anything related to that i'm the one who explained it to her
so if i didn't explain it to her she doesn't know about it oh man she's so wholesome
oh boy oh sheesh um did you guess all of mine when we were doing that exercise while i was picking
them i was like i feel like i should throw in some curveball so that linus doesn't just
automatically guess everything i knew you were gonna have something about determination
obviously the the only thing that i thought might throw you off is like uh about
like every three things were the same as the third previous like yeah there were a lot of kind of
synonymous things when i say cooperation and family were the same it's because like the description of
them was kind of similar because this was in like a work context so family was like like building each
other up and cooperation was working together towards a common goal then there's also like teamwork
yeah exactly and like yeah there was only actually really like 10 selections yeah but there was like
50 so i knew you were gonna have something about just like getting her done yeah um i knew you were
gonna have something about like loyalty yeah um i don't remember which version of that i chose but
again there was like five of them and then the thing i already said which i forget what it was um
whatever yeah so you basically yeah yeah of course yeah i mean like we we've been married almost as
long as yvonne and i have so i i'm pretty sure i guessed yours and i even guessed how you would
like sassily present them which was which was very satisfying while i was like sitting there listening
i was like yeah so it's nice to see you guys can still keep it interesting you know in the business
room yeah yeah yeah uh i've got one for luke here if linus you want to look through some of the potentials
it's up to you hey dll this one is for luke hold on hold on i have to read this out oh no um
ariel our co-op student oh boy just posted in the float plane chat yeah not going to bed angry has been
a rule in our relationship for at least four years and a few months ago my girlfriend asked me where
i got it from had to tell her it was from linus which made us both laugh oh my god oh ariel you're
a gem that's pretty good okay dan hit me uh this one's for luke you don't get hit you can read the
potentials hey dll this one's for luke with a company's aggressively copywriting code algorithms and
numbers will teachers eventually be unable to teach certain concepts or problems due to copyright
well sorry this is for you i'm sorry i don't i don't think they'll have a problem with it um
go for it no no i want you to do it we can do it collaboratively i want you to do this one together
i just know you're gonna have a different angle than me so you should just go first and then it'll be
fine because i can just say my my part uh i i don't think a cop copyright is that big of a deal in
schools um and i think schools should be focusing on teaching you know skills like we we didn't just
become unable to teach math because of calculators that whole conversation so i i think it'll be
fine there are already teachers that are adapting he touched on it fair use um the the the nature of
the use matters a lot and you can get away with a lot if it's for the purposes of educating the second
education on there uh not only is it generally okay but also most companies are just okay with
it at that yeah you just because remember there's a big difference between what's legally allowed
and what a company is likely to pursue litigation for like technically you could make the argument
that particularly in a sponsored piece of content which is commercial content um us uh putting up a
video okay let's say it was a sponsored piece of content on a great monitor or tv and we were to put
up disney's encanto on the screen you could make the argument that that's not editorial which would be
far more protected like educational use you could make the argument that it's more commercial because
we are making this video for the purpose of um of educating about the display sure but through
the lens of a manufacturer sponsored piece of content however the context in which we're using
the content is obviously positive about the why on earth did we have it on the screen because disney's
not the one who gave us any money it's the display manufacturer who did and so the context of us having
this content on the screen is that we think it's a great piece of content for showing off
a great display and is is makes everything look beautiful why would disney pursue a lawsuit against
me yeah for saying wow this movie is so great that it is the thing that makes sense for us to put on
the most beautiful of displays that we are trying to make look as beautiful as possible so yeah from a
legal standpoint if they decided that they had a gigantic rod up their butt and they wanted to go after
us sure they might be able to do that it would be costly it would be an inordinate waste of time
and at the end of the day all we were doing was presenting their content in a positive light and
coming to one of the other pillars of fair use the impact on the market for the original work
increasing the market for the original work by showing off the content like it's just
it's silliness it's a bit of a gray area because of that whole impact and how you have to
fair use as a defense and blah blah blah and all this stuff but just why it's also going to look
horrible if some company goes after like a school and nintendo doesn't care about that sort of thing
but most do and there is a degree of common sense in the law common sense would dictate that if in a
non-negative way somebody is using your copyrighted content in a way that has no
impact on the enjoyment of the original paid work um
it's probably better to just ignore it um so so honestly we we have we have used copyrighted
content to show off displays extensively in editorial content and sponsored content and my attitude towards
it has been i mean realistically what we just have a war chest if somebody ever decides that they are
stupid enough to go after us for it then we either fight it or we settle or we do whatever but at the
end of the day what do people care about when they're buying a tv when they're buying a monitor
they care about what their con what beautiful great content is going to look like on it and that's
going to be whatever the latest games and movies are so that's what we're just going to put on them
and we'll figure it out if this ever a problem
hey lld linus after doing lmg for over 15 years what would your answer to linus who are you
what would your answer be what would your answer i mean yeah all i have to do is go to my twitter
profile
here we go i'm a privateer father of children maker of youtube videos player of badminton canadian
yes i play forged alliance forever
husband in there probably somewhere otherwise my wife will kill me yeah
which i am joking about uh yeah i don't know that's a bit of a cop-out answer um
oh you already you marked it you marked it resolved okay well apparently it's a good answer now ticket
closed i have metrics to maintain sir next tall shirts when tall shirts when i don't know it's all in
capitals i'm archiving it answer the question i don't i don't know we're we're please i want to
prioritize okay so here's the problem here's the problem every color every size i just want one
i just want a black okay black shirt one shirt okay i'll tell you what would you guys be happy if
we started with black yeah that's all i wear and potato sack um i love this my life like changed when
i realized there was shirts that were made for okay that uncomplicates it a little bit dan can you
message nick and i genuinely don't think oh okay hold on i don't actually want to squeaky wheel this
if it's going to cause issues no no the audience is squeaky wheeling it let's pause here for a second
because we're cool with this but i pretty much guarantee you you'll release some shirt that people
really like and it won't have a tall option and then people will go nuclear it might literally not
be worth it that's okay we'll start with black okay yeah message nick let's get the let's get the
grading done which is the what it's called when you do all the different sizes and uh we'll start with
something relatively that's not a bad idea if it's like very clear this is the only one we're doing
right now because then you might be able to get a good idea of the distribution no not really you
could uh you could write a small market segment on the chest yeah nick is already messaging me
apparently all right hi nick i'm sorry nick uh maybe yeah i just got excited i'm so sorry nick
uh what else is a shirt that fits me man i know uh sure this one is yeah there he is uh hey lads if
dan's birthday were ever to coincide with the wan show would you consider swapping linus or luke's
role during the show with dan curious to see what chaos that would bring i wonder who curated this
i didn't curate actually i did okay um i potentialed it no i left it in incoming because
i wasn't not sure i think the wan show is perfect the way it is i i i love dan and if you guys want
to hang out with dan sometimes he's on the pre-show for pretty extended periods of time and we'll hang
with luke and if you're on float plane then you can check that out over there and some of the past
vods um oh sorry one sec this is important cool um but if anything if it was dan's birthday and i
wanted to do something special for him i might tell him how about you don't have to do my show today
maybe that would be more special but then he'd realize it was a trick and i was just trying to
get him to be the one to end the streak so i don't i don't really know how it would all go down maybe
dan should just address this i uh everything linus said but i want to work on my birthday so
so you do or you don't i do yeah oh all right it's a good birthday present i get to hang out with
you guys yeah birthday present paycheck money hey dan happy birthday i got you money that's what i
wanted yay i was extra late today so you got a bunch of overtime
i haven't seen my family in months thanks i guess yeah thank you
no it's it's it's fine yeah no it's fun uh let's see what else we got here um hey dan and the talent
this order will take my lifetime over a thousand dollars hey thanks thanks whale do you have data
i mean simon do you have data on which countries spend the most on merch any surprises any over
represented demographics largest whale thanks almost certainly usa um i can check that though i think i
don't really dig into the analytics on this too often but give me give me definitely usa yeah give
me a seciboo here um luke do you want to do the next one while i see if i can figure this out i mean
sure sure
is there any yeah uh here this one uh i work at a semiconductor fab and our facilities brought a uh
they sorry they bought a lot of screwdrivers to give out as apparently they're clean room approved
which is sick really surprising to me with the moving parts yeah exactly oh but the plastics because
you could you can open it up and you can blow it down and stuff but it would be it would be more down
to the materials that they wouldn't shed and no it shouldn't um that's cool that's super cool is there
any interest in touring another fab uh it's not as great as intel though it is a semiconductor fab
though yeah that might be cool because they have lots of different types of it depends we're always
looking for something new that we can show to our audience you'd have to show stuff that you'd have to
show us something bigger yeah uh and and bigger doesn't necessarily mean more expensive bigger could
mean you know get us up close and personal yeah it would need to be something that isn't already
freely out there yeah basically we have to bring something new but sick idea just good luck getting
approval uh ll and d i recently replayed vanquish and binary domain which one do you prefer i've never
heard of i don't know what either of these things are i also had never heard of them okay sorry i'm so
sorry vanquish game thanks for all you do i think i remember the sedden twins being mentioned before
and i wanted to know if any of you had any hockey stories favorites or hot takes besides super checks
did you seriously just pronounce them sedden twins the sorry the the sedden twins
sedine did you it doesn't it doesn't have the umlau
wow um answer the question any hockey stories uh no i just really wow love watching hockey i've never
was good at it or really played it or anything um i was really into the sport back when um
back when yvonne and i were like still living with her parents and stuff it wasn't until the lockout
around that time that i kind of went okay yeah forget it i i'm kind of tired of cheering for
corporation a versus corporation b it just doesn't really make sense to me anymore um
and to be clear i that doesn't mean that i'm that i don't get why people watch sports there's a
thousand reasons to watch sports just the the humanness of it uh the storylines the the people
honestly is the biggest conversation yeah the conversation just cultural participation just
the love of the game i mean man i it's mesmerizing to me it drives yvonne crazy if i'm if i'm at a
if i'm at a restaurant like even though i don't follow it anymore i mean i know the canucks are
having a great season i know you know who the major players are on the team like i follow it peripherally
still and if the game's on i'm like glued to it but i just i just i just don't really have like time
anymore and that combined with you know my feelings about you know the lockout and i there are things
that i find uncomfortable about professional sports in general the way that the athletes are sort of
treated like livestock um on the one hand yeah sure they're compensated well but on the other hand
sometimes they're not um you know college sports um there's some some college sports they're treated
well now is that true they weren't historically yes some of them okay um yeah not all for a long
time that it was like completely banned for them to make any money like basically at all from
anything they couldn't take any sponsors they couldn't do yeah it was it was pretty intense um
and now that's not a thing i think for football players i don't i don't know i don't know a lot
about it i just know some things have changed i have a bunch of great hockey stories i played
pretty high level i played provincial level like we i played on bc's team for ball hockey for a few
years um and i have fun stories my two favorite ones they're both pretty short uh one my brother came
back from playing football uh in the states for a university in the states and he came back and it was a
like a hockey game that that happened like immediately when he came back so he's still in football mode and one
of the kids crossed their feet right in front of them that was on the other team and he that's just
like a i've talked to linus about this before that's like a you hit now indicator basically and rich just
flattened up and then immediately got up didn't even wait for the ref just walked to the penalty
box immediately it was just like yep i like apparently like mid movement he was like oops and just knew
he screwed up and was like yeah i uh i'm ejecting myself um which was funny uh another one my brother
was reffing one of my games and the other team was kind of understandably unhappy about this but it was
what it was there was only so many refs my brother and i both reffed it was somewhat inevitable it would
happen eventually in one direction or the other um and they were kind of chirping oh okay um they were
complaining about it uh they were complaining about it for most of the game and then um
i like hit someone someone was uh slashing my my shins a bunch and stuff and they're pissing me off
then i hit them into the boards pretty hard and we were dogpiling a little bit and my brother ran up
to the dog pile and this was this was prime football player richard richard's a big very strong guy all the
time but this was like omega richard and he walked up to me grabbed the back of my jersey and
actually threw me like i caught air significantly through the uh floor of the the ball hockey
arena i went flying it was like crazy and for the entire rest of the game the whole other team was
like it's cool it's fine we don't mind that he's reffing this game seems like he'll be fair about things
i was like yeah cool all right we're good okay i'm working on this i can't get a revenue number
um but i have sessions converted which i think is basically people reach checkout and buy something
right so i can get an order number like how many orders so now i just need to put in a date range is
there like a lifetime they don't let you do that because that would be really hard on the servers i guess
but i'm just going to put in 2018 to present oh crap i clicked the wrong thing um
i can already tell you guys that it's going to be yeah a converted is a converted session to be
clear is not just someone who like adds something to a cart or shows significant interest but it's
someone who adds something to their cart proceeds to check out and actually does purchase the items yeah
this is going to take a minute i just asked for five years of shopify data
which for our store is a non-trivial amount of transactions where they email it to you
no this is that one no no it'll it'll do a thing okay yeah give it a sec it's just it's it's a working
on it okay all right uh united states is at about eight times canada which is about
double the uk which is a little higher than germany which is a little higher than australia
which is about double the netherlands which is about double norway which is about the same as
sweden which is about the same as switzerland which is a little more than denmark which is
about the same as austria which is about the same as france which is a little more than belgium which
is about the same as new zealand and a little more than israel and then it kind of goes on from there
there and you know kind of kind of trickles off so yeah the united states is um over half
of our sales which i don't think would be a big surprise to anyone united states is 40 percent of
our viewership so yeah um and then you know the proximity right and the shipping challenges with
shipping overseas it makes sense that they'd be overrepresented for for customers that actually
purchase something from us compared to just watch the videos i'm not shocked australia is so high
um vickis uh australia they've they've like always been our bros i think it's ever since we
moved when show or did we move when show because we knew we had australian viewers i can't remember
which came first but there's a there's a huge tech community in australia considering how few people
live there and how few of them have internet apparently i i kid i kid i mean your internet
is it's but like i shouldn't tease i shouldn't tease
that's it it's not like oh you wanted the largest whale though uh hold on i don't know if i can find
that um oh this might be easier than i thought
add filter orders placed products purchased amount spent hello okay is greater than
oh i can put a value uh what value should i put i have no idea i mean someone's probably bought a
batch of stuff for their like company would that have been through shopify or would that have been
through contacting i don't know dude do like holy shit okay so i put in over 2 000 and i found
buddy who's spent almost nine grand i was gonna say you should put it nine grand actually i wonder
if there's anyone over oh anyone over 9 000 yeah yes yeah yeah there's um there's i'm assuming these
are because i i've talked to people that are like oh yeah i like outfitted my whole shop of like many
workers with screwdrivers or um my my company has a lot of people like going out on the road and doing
things so i got everyone backpacks or whatever else so i think there's a lot of like corporate level
purchases that have gone through um yeah there's there's a handful of people around the about 10
grand range that's very surprising to me but um i mean not crazy just because the corporate purchases
that i've heard about that's it i think buying all for yourself that doesn't really make any sense but
yeah if you gift a lot or if you're buying things for work i mean i've seen spikes in um
in screwdrivers where like just one person buys a hundred in a day so it's like that's
that's gonna add a freaking lot of money right um that's you know six grand seven grand on one
purchase uh oh nick just sent me an image he goes i'm pretty sure the top person is reselling
oh yeah there is some of that yeah that makes sense someone linked me to a yeah like scalper of i
think it was stubby screwdrivers well it might not necessarily be scalping as much as it is
reselling into regions where the first party option might not be available by a sign oh
because we don't to my knowledge do much in the way of volume discounts to anyone
so they're they're not and like the products are just available from our store this shipping scale
uh they would they would get a deal on shipping i guess so if they lived somewhere where their
shipping rates are way more reasonable to send out then maybe they could take advantage of that
compared to our own pricing but yeah i saw a link i don't know if it was like or not a link i saw a
picture which is why i'm gonna say this part i don't know if it's like shopped or edited or not or
whatever yeah um but it was a stubby that was selling for well over two hundred dollars that i saw
that sales i think yeah i saw that i don't know i don't sure i guess no idea you know what i have an
idea of that it's time to end the show we didn't make it we'll see you again next week i didn't
want to make it i didn't want to get over midnight see you again next week same bad time same bad
channel thanks for tuning in guys bye bye there i did it properly you happy now i'm very happy good
i'm happy happy happy person
i believe we kept these things on all show
i thought for sure someone would stop me nobody messaged
you