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This is an episode of a podcast that will not get pulled down by big tech
Because it will not have any
Misinformation in it. Well, it might have misinformation and I can't guarantee that
yeah, lots of great topics this week guys Apple's peak performance event product announcements were many and
actually
exciting
Artesian builds who generated significant controversy last week has formally
Completely pooped all over itself and the bed and the floor. So we're gonna get through that what else we got today
We got windows on a steam deck. What maybe windows on a steam deck? Yeah. What do you look through to see a
Door a door a wheel a wheel. Well, what one has more?
Oh doors are wheels. Okay, who knows also lime wire is back. What? Whoa
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Let's jump right into our big topic which is windows on steam deck now
I was actually expecting to get Windows support for the steam deck before we did our initial hardware review
Right. So that was way back like over a month ago
I was expecting Windows drivers and valve kept saying oh we we have them but we can't send them
Something something legal review something something something. Okay. Sorry
we we can't give them to you, but but apparently there were working drivers, which makes sense because
While there was obviously a lot of work to be done by AMD and valve software teams
Particularly, I would think AMD for something like a closed source Windows driver. I
Mean these were these were mostly known quantities, right?
They're there's n3 cores and they're bolted to in our DNA to
Onboard graphics chip rather than a Vega based graphics chip, but fundamentally that architecture exists already
So they're not starting from scratch right like they're there. There's a starting point that they have to work from
So so I was I was expecting it to be pretty
Mature and pretty fleshed out and I was expecting it to come before our hardware review where we looked at
We looked at thermals
we looked at
Performance we looked at acoustics and and pretty much ran all the way through the deck and you know, Matt major kudos to valve
They did a great job of transparency and allowing us to really fully tested
Even though we were limited in terms of game selection just because the software really wasn't ready yet
And they knew that and that was fine
But they told us that the Windows drivers were gonna come like I didn't I didn't just pull that out of thin air
Oh, yeah, I am expecting Windows drivers because I am a Windows user. It wasn't like that
They told us they were gonna tell me what I want then in between the hardware review
So so we had the lead up to the hardware review
so then we published the hardware review and then in between the publishing of the hardware review and the
And the release of our software review. I was expecting Windows drivers again
And when I when I shot the software review, it was actually the morning of my family's ski trip to
right, I don't know what it's called anymore, but used to be called hemlock mountain and we were going there and
Basically, I had to shoot it then because I kept putting off and putting off and putting off
Starting the software review because valve kept sending just they kept inundating me with software updates
And I was still expecting a Windows driver
So I went and I did like I played on it. I used it
I did spend a lot of time with it and I wrote down a lot of thoughts
I threw a lot of things at the page, but I couldn't write the video
Because I couldn't tell the whole story because I hadn't eat like if they were gonna drop a Windows driver on me
two days before publication I
Was gonna have to have like a big section comparing Linux to Windows performance. For example
Like if I'm so if I'm supposed to say this is the software review. I it changes the angle of the video, right?
Yeah what I'm gonna cover in it. So I ended up staying up until 730 in the morning
and then I only slept for about two hours and then I went I met a camera crew at like the new house because that's
Where they were set up doing some sponsored thing for tell us already anyway
Shot the a-roll and then drove to the mountain
Afterward because I had to leave it to the very last second
So again, there was a period of time when I was expecting Windows drivers
Well, they finally arrived this week like yesterday and naturally we dropped absolutely
absolutely
everything and
immediately set to work testing them and I gotta tell you you guys are gonna want to watch the full video because
The exact numbers matter and I I don't remember everything off the top of my head
but Anthony and I had a really good meeting about sort of what we want the scope of this video to be because I
don't think that
Okay
in the state they're in I
I
Don't want to invest too much time
investigating the performance differences between the in between the Nvidia the Nvidia
Between the Linux and the Windows drivers. Oh my okay
yeah, so
We have a really good chat about what we want the scope of the video to be and man
did we ever find a ton of
of interesting stuff going on almost
immediately
And then also we had a really we sat down we did a full script review
We were almost never get to like sit down and talk to Anthony about stuff anymore because he hosts so many of the videos that
He writes now
Instead of me editing and me hosting them. So it was actually really nice to say because we often will just chat about
Stuff and and I feel like we end up with regardless of whether it's me who reviews it
I think we end up with a better script a better video if a second pair of eyes looks at it and starts to you
Know ask those questions right that someone sometimes you just you got your nose buried on it for too long
There's certain questions that you've had answered for so long
But yeah really think about it or you take something for granted one of our new writers came in
Talking to me about a video that we were doing about whether it matters if your GPU is still getting drivers
So we took drivers that have been
Unsupported for in some cases years. Yeah and tried to run very new games on them to see
Well, just how far does direct X get you, you know?
Can you can you just limp along and probably have compatibility or do you need a game ready driver, right and really interesting findings?
But we went into this whole explanation
without
Having any kind of paragraph outlining like a prepper. What is DirectX? Yeah or something like that?
I can't remember if it was exactly that but we were we were missing some key piece of information like hey
You actually can't take that for granted. This could be something that you know
Some young kid just getting into PC gaming watches and we need to give them at least
Okay, it might be a little jargony, but we need to give them at least a basic
Explanation of what purpose this serves before we can we can move past it
so anyway, I sat down with Anthony and and we talked through it and
Boy, is it ever a mixed bag?
So first up
good guy valve
Providing Windows drivers. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, they could have just as easily not done it
In fact, it would have been a lot less work for them and AMD because you got to remember even though these are Zen 3
CPU cores and our DNA 2 based GPU cores
They are
Bolted together glued together in a custom SOC. This is a custom chip
So there is absolutely
Extra work that needed to be done
Compounding matters is that aside from being a custom chip?
It has at least in the PC space from my experience a pretty unique
system architecture, it doesn't have main system memory and
GPU memory right which is normal for an integrated GPU, but
With an integrated GPU at this kind of performance level were their unique challenges
Presumably these are challenges AMD is probably going to have to face as they move into
their upcoming
RDNA 2 based IGP like AP use. Yes, but
Definitely, they could have saved themselves some work and they could have kicked some work down the road, but absolutely
Absolutely. Also as soon as valve provides a driver
they will start receiving support tickets and
Even if even if every message they get about running windows on the steam deck
They just send back a canned response that says we don't support windows on the steam deck
Which is their formal stance, right? They have provided these drivers
But it is not a supported use case. It is still creating extra busy work for valve corporation
oh for sure, absolutely and
From our experience with it
It could create
More support tickets than less
So there's a few things to keep in mind
One is that not all drivers are available first and foremost the Wi-Fi drivers are not baked into Windows
Actually, no first and foremost you will not be running the latest version of Windows
support for the ftpm so the the trusted platform module that is required for Windows 11 is
Not baked into the firmware yet
So you cannot well remember this is a touchscreen device
Windows 11 has a lot of improvements for touchscreen devices. That's fair
Yeah, so you might want Windows 11 whether you are correct or not
That's a whole separate conversation that we're not going to get into today
But so first and foremost you can't install the latest version of Windows. So you are stuck with Windows 10 for better or for worse
Second of all when you install Windows you're going to have to go get some kind of network
Network adapter or something because I don't know if you've had this experience
but Windows installers recently have stopped allowing you to
Go to proceed past the setup phase unless you have an internet connection and unless you sign into a Microsoft account
There are workarounds to be clear. Yeah, but for most people like for the is a console
That's the way we have to be fair
I don't think if you're looking at it from the perspective of a console game, right?
I don't think they're gonna install Windows
That's too much of an advanced unless there's a game
They like really want to play and they find a super basic tutorial to get them through it
They might if it's a super basic tutorial, it would probably include this portion though
It might include it but you might have to go out and buy one
Yeah, unless you already have a type-c to Ethernet adapter for your switch, for example or something like that
So you may have to go out and get some other network adapter because the onboard Wi-Fi module is does not have support baked into Windows
Yeah, so you'll need a network connection in order to
Get a network connection. I'm so surprised paradise networking device did not have support baked into Windows, right?
Okay, once you're in Windows, you can install Wi-Fi drivers Bluetooth works, which is great
Valve does not have an audio driver yet for the onboard speakers
Or for the three and a half mil jack. They are working on that
okay, that's coming and then there were also some other devices and device manager that just
Were still yellow exclamation marks. We don't know exactly what they were what they were. Yeah. Yeah
Did you try all the different input types and everything
Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we tried Bluetooth and USB C and they were fine
thumbsticks
That's on the back
so
Windows navigation on the Steam Deck. Oh boy, not great
Okay, because the default behavior for the Steam Deck is a is enter
B is escape and
the ability for
applications, okay
so first of all valve did valve does allow a steam controller to be used as
Like a joystick to mouse device. Okay, so you can actually use it to move the mouse around and remember trackpads
Yeah, so you can actually move the mouse around the track
Okay, except when it stops, okay, right yikes. All right, and if you close steam then
Is it the trackpad? No, the trackpad still works, but the joystick input stops working
Or something like that
but if you have steam open in the background so you can use the joystick or whatever and you go to open software like
retro arch which has controller support
Retro arch will not grab
The controller properly being used
So what happens is even trying to do something as simple as navigating the menu in retro arch
You try to go back you try to just like go back a couple menus escape escape retro arch is closed
So it's pretty freaking rough it's pretty rough right now and
I haven't even gotten to game performance
my
expectation was that
compatibility we didn't test a really broad set of games because quite frankly I
Don't feel there was a ton to be learned from that
Like yeah game compatibility is gonna be more windows II
So if there's anti-cheat software that doesn't run in Linux or that the developers, you know
intentionally
Prevents from running on Linux because realistically that's what most of it is these days as far as we can tell
If there's it's either prevents or it's they haven't taken the action to allow it. Yeah, so
you know whether it's an anti-cheat or whether it's just games that
Proton are what's it called steam play now? I think so. Yeah, it's the steam play hasn't caught up to
game compatibility is going to be better but
performance
Well, I was expecting it to be I was expecting it to trade blows because we've looked at this before we've run into situations
where Linux underperforms windows because
translation can have a cost we've run into situations where
the translation has a cost but Linux is also just like lighter and
You end up with them canceling each other out you get performance parity and we've even seen
situations where the drivers on Linux are better than the proprietary drivers that exist on Windows and
Linux actually manages to squeeze more out of the hardware than Windows, but there tends to be like that back and forth on
the Steam Deck
It was just annihilation in all the titles. We tested like Linux just
Ran away from Windows and some of this we expected like Elden Ring. For example valve has put work specifically into
into fixing I think it's some kind of
Man like texture optimization thing that they've done
What is it compiling shaders and this was like a big issue on Windows to the point where people were saying?
It was like almost unplayable huge issue on Windows
and so so what valve has actually done it's kind of insane is they've taken a feature that
The Elden Ring developers should have implemented in DirectX
And they've hacked it in as part of the DirectX to Vulcan
Translation very funny and it's moving out the game big move because Elden Rings freaking huge shader. Yeah shader cache
So what's crazy about it Elden Ring is so bad that it's it's not
It's not as simple as just seeing a new asset and waiting for it to compile
You could even stand in one room and spin around and it'll stutter constantly because it's just not caching them. So right
Yeah, now I now I remember to be clear Elden Ring itself is not bad. I haven't played it yet
I actually I started horizon zero dawn on my recent trip. And so I've been making my way through that
I have new thoughts on that by the way, I can talk about that more later on the show, but I'm done now
So I see you launching. I keep on wanting to ask you to play Halo, but I'm like, I can't play Halo
I'm playing I'm steam deck only right now, man
I I honestly I have used it almost zero as a desktop though
Because I I have I I said it's not for work and almost all of my desktop computer usage has been work
So I'm just happily gaming on my steam deck sort of I'm gonna talk about that later
So it was it was a bloodbath though
Which really surprised me because on paper the rDNA 2 graphics on the steam deck
Were terrifying for competitors who are stuck with Vega graphics, right?
Yeah on their own windows-based handhelds within those guys have windows-based handhelds
But the thing is that maybe that's if you were able to if the steam deck was performing up to its expectations, though
It should be better than those windows first handhelds running last generation GPU technology
That might be interesting because that might actually keep a space carved out for those other devices because if like
I don't know valve is gonna make it better
The thing is it's a proprietary driver. So should it mostly be down to AMD to make it better?
In that case though, I don't know if AMD has much pressure on them from valve
Yeah
Maybe AMD has very little motivation to make these anything like if they're straight-up saying like we are not
Supporting this then what what's the what's the pressure on them to support it better? You know what I mean?
Yeah, so like nothing it might just not get better
And if so, then then at least those other devices have a space which is kind of cool
Yeah, and valve has said that when the full steam OS 3.0 installer launches, they will have support for dual booting
So maybe that's just a price. They're willing to pay
There will be a performance hit but you can have compatibility, but we took the safest possible path for everything
Rather than pushing the performance to the bleeding edge because we expect you to do the vast majority of your gaming in steam OS
Yeah, having the ability to do a boot on there would be sweet actually now. I
Have
We get into this in a bit more detail on in the video. So you'll you'll still have to watch it. Haha. Got him
but I
Want to talk about doing the majority of your gaming on steam OS a little bit actually no first
I'm gonna talk about how there are other interface issues with the steam deck
Like the fact that it doesn't have a task manager or a control alt delete button the quick access menu button doesn't do anything
It doesn't have a task manager. What do you think? It doesn't have a task manager button
Oh, so if you're like stuck in a full-screen application and it hangs
Just turn it off your SOL plug it go find a keyboard
Plug it in and press ctrl alt delete like you you're stuck
a lot of the windows handhelds will have a show desktop button or
something or like I has a software interface that you can bring up to slide over top of full-screen apps and you can
Assign some way to force yourself out exactly exactly like it's
It's made to compensate for Windows
So the one not built for Windows doesn't have that yeah, yeah exactly you're gonna have these problems so we're ready for you
Right. All right, which isn't to say that running steam OS on a steam deck is necessarily a flawless
Victory, you know perfect experience. Yeah
horizon zero dawn is a verified title on the steam deck and
Man, I was blown away. I think I'm running at medium 800 P like some 1280 by 800
getting like solid 30 FPS
Playable, you know playable. I ran into a weird issue where like aim assist is enabled, but I swear it's not working
Okay, as far as I can tell and that game I
Think I talked last week about how tedious a lot of the encounters were
Okay, if you don't hit the exact weak points on these fast-moving enemies
It can be like a controller snapper
In terms of difficult you really don't want to snap that control. Yeah
And I think a big part of the problem is that my auto aim was not doing anything
Which raises some questions that might make sense because I know you brought that up and I remember thinking like
But yeah, it's probably because the aim assist it's probably because
something about the steam deck or the steam controller is
Showing up differently to a normal like X input input device or something like that
so that's
interesting
Defiance says horizon zero dawn is not a hard game Linus. Tell you what?
You go play it you go fight a thunder whatever a thunderjaw with a controller with no aim assist
I'll wait. I
Actually, I got significantly better. I was playing doom eternal as part of another video today
And I'm like way better with the controller now after spending like 25 hours in horizon zero dawn that makes sense
I like people keep one of most people talk all the time about how aim assist is like cheating and it's like, okay
There's maybe some arguments there but using a controller without aim assist is just horrible. Yes. So like I yeah, you gotta have it on
Yeah, Thunderjaws aren't that hard actually. Yeah, I know
It's no problem
If you can start knocking off components and if I was on a mouse and keyboard it would be a non-issue
The problem is that I'm on a controller and any controller is gonna have subtle dead zones
So when you're like leaping for bullet time and trying to like make that really small adjustment for that you like jumped
Yeah, it can be it can be it can be very frustrating
Anyway, where was I? Where was I going with this right the first five hours of the game though solid 30 FPS great experience
You know the noise bothers me more than it did in the review
So just the wine of the fan like Yvonne was even asking about it
I'm sitting there in bed playing horizon zero dawn. She's like, what's that noise? Yeah, that's the steam deck fan
I spent most of my time free
the software review with earphones in but I've actually been using speakers with it now more just because
Circumstances have dictated that that's been that's been sensible and I'm finding the fan kind of annoying basically under half volume
It's pretty overpowering
After about five hours in I started getting all
Manner of weird issues and I didn't think to whip out a camera and record any of it, unfortunately
so Anthony has asked me to replicate it and the the good and bad news is that it's gonna be real easy because
At first I started running into these issues like after two continuous hours of gameplay
Where I would get stuttering down to like 1 FPS
for 10 30 seconds at a time and then it would like
Like like catch up. Oh, it doesn't like fast-forward thing a little bit not quite. Okay. Yeah, especially if it was a cutscene it'd be like
but
Like not all the time was accounted for it was very strange, right? Yeah, like I wouldn't miss anything
Even if it was only a short
Super weird, okay. I saw I saw game crashes just hard crash hard crash back to back to steam interface. I
even saw
black-screen
Device unresponsive steam button does nothing quick access menu does nothing
long press power button full reboot is the only way to solve it and
The problem for me is that those as I got into the late-game
Started to come up every
20 minutes or so
Which is pretty bad
everything from
worse stutters to
completely game breaking like
Progress losing
issues
Those are the worst.
Was happening so frequently that I mean, I told Anthony because he hadn't had that experience
He only has benchmarked Steam Deck so far
So I was I was contributing that to to our video today and and I told Anthony like it's it I have gotten more
Game crashes in my playthrough of horizon zero dawn that I've probably had with every game
All combined in the last five years. Yeah, like I get so many crashes
And again, this is and I know you're reviewing the Steam Deck
And this is a verified title and all that kind of stuff. But this is why I stopped playing it on PC
Really? Oh, so you had a lot of crashes in that game on. Yes, didn't they mostly fix that though? Maybe
I've heard that they have from the community. I have not gone back and tried it since
I will at some point because I really want to eventually like beat that game
But yeah, it was crashing so hard on me on Windows that I just like refused to keep playing because I kept on losing progress
And that just roast. Oh that I hate that it's I think everybody does
Absolutely hate that
Someone said 25 hours is not late-game lmao for the first five to eight
I was doing a lot of the side quests, but honestly, I figured out what was bothering me about the game so much
They've built this incredible world. They've done all this world-building and it's populated with all of these Muppets
yeah, like almost everyone you talk to like if you turn if you turn off the the quest indicator that just takes you straight to the
Person you're supposed to talk to you've got all these unique looking people that just repeat the same
Dozen pre-baked. I'm sorry. I have nothing to talk to you about right now
So not having that indicator on is just an utter waste of time
So it it's this enormous world full of all these settlements and cities that has absolutely no life
It has a little bit of first game in a series syndrome
Like I used to talk about this with Assassin's Creed a fair amount where the first Assassin's Creed game is like a really cool
Proof-of-concept right? There's a lot of things that are like, yeah, that should be a lot better or a lot more fleshed out or whatever
And then you get Assassin's Creed 2 and it's like, okay, sweet. Here we go
This is what we actually wanted
And I have a feeling that Forbidden West like I've heard from a lot of people that these types of problems that you're that you're mentioning
Are fixed or better in in Forbidden West
So I think it's I think it's a really good idea to talk about
So I think it's I think it's a lot of like they built this massive new world
It's a it's a similar game to some other games
But they do they do a fair amount of things uniquely and it's a new IP and all this kind of stuff
So certain things are not really all that fleshed out
So after that first like five to eight hours
I just got really bored of samey side quests and realized that you don't need to grind at all
Because there's almost zero leveling up progression anyway
So I just started chasing the main quest and that's a weird problem with modern games
It's some modern games. If you don't do the side quests, you're just like screwed
Yeah
And then you have to go back and do side quests which feels horrible
And then there's other games where you don't have to do side quests at all
And they like kind of aren't very good because they weren't designed for you to do all of them
So then you're like, oh this sucks when you should have just been doing the main quest. It's yeah, it's kind of weird
Ran into that a few times recently
so I have experienced a ton of instability and it really raises questions for me about
The qc that's going into verified games, right because I have no doubt
That if I was sony, right?
I would be
Not that happy to have
You know my name flash up as a splash screen
on this
Verified title on some verified console like you think about how defensive companies are of their image
Yeah, I mean the this
This verify badge rises here. We're done on windows when it was just like a broken
Piece of trash that's fair, but they fixed it apparently maybe yeah. Yeah people in the chat are saying
Yeah, it was a joke at launch, but it's been it's been good. I played it recently and it was fine. Okay, um
So I
So there's definitely sensitivity around
Your product. Yeah being badged as
Works perfectly by someone else
And then it doesn't and then you're kind of going okay
Because it's absolutely
They will get messages about it. Oh, hey, why is your game such a crashy buggy mess on steam deck? It's verified
What did you guys do? Yeah, someone will yeah
And I just I feel like I feel like with how many titles valve is verifying
They might be going a little yolo and a little rubber stampy
Because my experience with horizon zero dawn was that I went five hours in with not a single hiccup
And then after that it basically got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse
So they probably didn't you know test it all that much so they probably didn't like
Never mind play testing it. They probably didn't play the whole game. Yeah
And you can't you can't expect it's a fair amount to ask. Yeah, you can't expect you know 20 hours
In every game or even 10 hours in every game
10 hours in every game, uh for valve to just you know be a charity and contribute that time to
third-party developers titles
I was just gonna say now you have like whole game studio level qa departments just sitting there and playing
Right, that's a weird thing for valve to hire at this point except
Maybe they should are they a console manufacturer now?
But I don't think console manufacturers do that. That's on the game develop
I'm sure they contribute some qa on their own. I mean nintendo made the uh, like nvidia style where they like
Employees into companies and stuff. Oh, i'm i'm a hundred percent sure that they contribute to qa. Sure. Yeah. Yeah
Very interesting, so
I'm i'm antsy for mine, dude. I still don't have an email you can
Put windows on the steam deck
But right now we shouldn't for a variety of reasons. It looks like an utterly terrible idea, which I think
I think you nailed it earlier when you said well
The silver lining I guess is this creates
a small
Opening for those smaller companies that are trying to compete in the handheld pc space
Hopefully actually that small opening is bigger than what already existed before the steam deck
Came into play because steam deck is bringing so many eyes onto this medium
Because I think a ton of people didn't know or if you saw one you'd think it was just a gimmick. Yeah
But now there's like this main line thing adding a bunch of legitimacy to the space and if you're like, okay
Yeah, but the game that I want to play is halo infinite or something that isn't on linux and then you see oh
There's a windows option that actually looks fairly highly reviewed yet. Maybe they'll get it. Yeah, it could be I mean, uh
I mean, uh, actually I haven't checked
Uh, ino next I haven't checked in on their indiegogo
um, and I haven't heard from the
I haven't heard from the ceo lately. They've uh, they've got 382 backers and they raised three quarters, uh, 700,000 canadians
So that's about you know, 550 us just over a half a million dollars us
So yeah, not bad. Not bad. I mean, I guarantee you it's not steam deck numbers, but it's not bad
Uh, chino chibi says nintendo seal of quality is worthless
I think it is now but when they used to be primo when they first introduced it, it was a big deal
it was one of the things that nintendo did to set themselves apart from
Just the gaming crash that took place before the nes took hold
Uh, which was to keep low quality repetitive crappy games off of their platform. They even
Uh, they even enforced a limit to how many games a publisher was allowed to submit per year
Just to ensure that they wouldn't just shard out more games. Yeah. Yeah try to make it up in volume, you know, and
They would even it wasn't even just technical validation. They would even offer gameplay suggestions say like hey
You should do this and you should do that
If you if you want the game to be better it used to be really intense. Yeah
Yeah, I that I I don't know talk about it like pretty often. Yeah, I haven't heard it brought up in forever
I don't know anything about it now. Yeah, I mean you there
Uh, we should probably bring up merch messages as well as the new feature
Yeah that we are launching on ltt store so we don't have any new products this week
So still the cable ties that we talked about last week lots of different colors. These are actually selling really really well
They're a way better deal than they used to be and there's a ton more variety
Also eco-friendly packaging, but I love the packaging what we're doing
This week is announcing actually, you know what loop you should announce it because your team worked on this
It's the bonus bin made by the same guy that made merch messages which makes sense
But if you add something to cart, uh, you can now see the bonus bin i'm sharing thing at the top. Oh, okay, sweet
um, and there's a kind of what is going to be a rotating set of things that you can decide individually
Uh to add to your cart for free in the past. I believe you guys had sticker packs. Yep
Um, now there's two different sticker packs the 2021 one or the 2022 one and the gpu wasteland postcard
The postcards currently says post dot dot dot so we should probably have some word wrap there or something but um,
Yeah, it's there. It's cool. Uh, we're like I said, we're gonna add some rotating stuff in the future
So there'll be new things that show up here
Um, and you don't have to add it if you don't want it, but it's just a cool little thing that you get for free
There's stuff in here
uh, and there's stuff planned to be in here in the future that are like
Not necessarily cheap from some people. Um, like yeah, we're gonna talk about having pins and stuff
Yeah, pins are like that's not a small item. So yeah, maybe check out the bonus
I can tell you they don't cost much. So anyone who's charging you a ton of money for a pin is I see them go for like
15 bucks
I'm, not into pins, but there's people that like collect like tons of pins
I don't know. I don't know. Um
But yeah, I mean i'll happily charge 15 for them
Do you guys do you guys want them in the bonus bin or should I charge 15 for them? Because i'm down
I'm down. I can tell you there's a lot of margin in it at fifteen dollars
I bet I just I just know i've seen it for like around that amount. But yeah bonus bin super cool. Um,
I I would strongly encourage you guys to uh, do the gpu wasteland postcard and then send it to us
our address is on google maps and the idea is that if people get these color them or otherwise
Decorate them and then send them back to us. Uh, we want to decorate a wall in the new creator warehouse space
With these gpu wasteland postcards so we can all remember the glory days of twenty twenty one
So we can all remember the glory days of twenty twenty to twenty twenty two
Maybe glory is not the right word. That's a little uh, you know, um
the gory days
Hey, there you go
Um, but yeah, it should be good
Fifteen dollars. Let's go for fifty
Indeed
Indubitably you should have you should make like one like pure gold pin
Yeah
We'll make it a loot box so you won't know. Yeah, you won't know if you're gonna get like a
Tin one or a gold one
People jokingly bring up in float plane meetings every once in a while that we should have loot boxes for emotes
So it's just a random a random emote, which is horrible just completely terrible. Um
Um, but yeah, why don't we talk about apple's peak performance event? Well, should we do a couple of merch messages?
Uh, oh sure. Yeah. Yeah some curated ones
Hi lightness, I have to get all new network gear for my house long story and we'll soon get 10 gig internet
Really
That's uh, that's intense
Okay, that's really intense. I'm considering ubiquity's unify ecosystem. Do you have any gripes or regrets with your system?
Are there any alternatives you'd recommend?
We've been pretty happy with unify gear at the office here and that includes everything from their access points to their switches
We have definitely run into some speed bumps, but it should be noted that
Apparently the square ap's that I got way back in the day were just notoriously awful
They were like the worst product ubiquity ever made and so the fact that I that was my first unify experience
Was I picked up three of those and tried to you know do up my house?
And it was just it was it was terrible. I remember that and I ended up going ruckus after the fact
um
So i've had some bad experiences but a lot of it has been caused by us often using early access unify gear
Where the hardware is baked, but the software is not done yet
so yes, we've run into issues, but
Man, when you want bang for the buck pro sumer network gear
What would you I mean, what would you compare it to you pretty much kind of come down to ubiquity
Yeah, microtic is pretty sick. If you're if you want to get down and dirty and you want to you want to get nerdy
Other than that like what like most of the big guys these days want subscription fees for everything
And ubiquity is still providing a lot of the same
software and monitoring and tools
But there's no subscription you just buy the hardware and you get access to that. So
Yeah, I would say I would say ubiquity is a is a
an
8.75 out of 10 recommend from me
We actually just rolled some new ubiquity gear between here and one of the new satellite offices, right?
We were up on the roof, okay
but
But we are getting uh greater than gigabit speeds between the two and
sub one millisecond latency
Accessing machines that are in a completely different building on the same land
so we don't get any of the security and
Overhead issues involved in doing like a vpn from one location to the next
No, like no no encryption overhead. Is this a static installation? Like you're leaving it there? Yeah
Oh, that's just straight over the air. That's really cool. Yeah, i'm really excited. That's awesome. Super cool
Uh
Oh, what am I looking at here? Oh click to view more. Oh, oh, there's a new interface here. Uh, oh landon
Everything including gaming hardware is getting more expensive fast with things like steam deck and laptops getting more and more powerful
What does an entry-level setup look like in five to ten years will gaming desktops eventually die out?
I mean that was part of the idea behind me daily driving the steam deck for a month was to find out
Is this handheld which realistically has hardware in it that would have been gaming laptop grade only a few short years ago
Good enough to daily drive
I think are we already there? I think even if it's just for one day like it's a portable device
You should use it at work as your work computer
Yeah, it's just a lot of software crap to figure out to use for one day. That's probably fair. I just I feel like
Have you done like any actual personal computing on it?
Has it just been games?
I've only gamed. Yeah, like I feel like you're gonna get to the end of this and have done
No personal computing and that's like a pretty important part of well, that's my boss gonna do get mad at me
I just mean i'll just extend the video i'll extend the challenge another 30 days and i'll like force myself to do it if I
Feel like it. I mean you got to come back and play. Halo. You've seen how stuck on horizon zero dawn
I've been lately. Yeah, i'm like constantly in there
Yeah, and I feel left out because every time i'm on steam i'm the the bottom right-handed kaltane is playing elden ring
Burnt banana is playing everyone's just I haven't played it yet. Everyone's just playing
Elden everyone's playing elven race and i'm like I picked I picked completely the not trendy open world game to play
Oh, what I have no idea what i'm doing
Oh, man
But yeah, I I think it's entirely possible at the price of the steam deck it's the best computer you can buy for 400
Hands down. Oh, yeah, i'd say go for it. Absolutely
Especially because you can't even get a desktop computer with a gpu in it for 400
Yeah
Hey linus asks. Joshua. How did the twitch chat is awful things start?
And why be so mean to twitch viewers?
Well, that's actually a really interesting story and to answer it
We kind of have to go way back to before it was twitch tv
We have to go all the way back to when it was justin.tv
And rather than being a game focused site. It was actually more focused on like
Bootleg live shows and uh sporting events. Yeah, and
Pretty much everyone was toxic and awful
and I made the astute observation that as a community they are toxic and awful and
They never changed nice
Yeah, yeah twitch chat. I love you. You're awful. Yeah
That's a really good. I I love you. You're awful is a wonderful way of saying that yeah
twitch prime by the way
Uh, also any updates on backpack true driver or short circuit hoodie? No, I have no updates other than soon
Soon
I will do one more and then let's jump into the apple event
No idea how to pronounce that been watching for years. Love your hot takes. Oh, thanks
Been watching for years. Love your hot takes. Oh, thanks
What do you think about hardware vpns?
Decentralized vpns saw a video from unbox therapy and i'm not sure about the privacy aspect. Ah, yes
I saw that video from unbox therapy as well. And it's something that's been on our radar
Basically what it is is the idea that I think I pitched to you on wan show at some point
I either pitched it to you on wan show or i've talked about it internally like oh
Wouldn't that be a really cool way to do a vpn where basically everyone?
is
Um, it's kind of like how yeah, everyone's a node and it's kind of like how windows is are windows
It's kind of like how microsoft is rolling windows updates now where you contribute
To the network to make sure that you know, okay say luke and I live in the same apartment building rather than him downloading
Off of a microsoft server in redmond
Obviously, that's not typically how it would be that microsoft would have the files cached on a data center closer to luke
But rather than pulling the files out of a data center
He would just grab them
In as few hops as possible from a newer node like me in order to accelerate download speeds
As well as reduce latency and overall internet congestion
It's actually like a win-win-win to have multiple nodes for downloads rather than centralized servers and in some cases
Like we've seen situations where a major gaming launch has dragged the internet down to a crawl
And that wouldn't have necessarily had to happen with a decentralized file distribution system like uh, like bit like bit torrent for example
um
so
The product that lou was taking a look at was pretty much the idea that I had talked about before
where instead of being for file distribution
these nodes were for
um
internet access from that location
What's really cool about this approach?
Is that by contributing a little bit of your bandwidth and many people have unlimited data plans these days
By contributing some of your bandwidth and some of your both download and upload speed right because the traffic has to come all the way through
You are gaining access to other users in other regions
who are contributing their bandwidth to you so that you can access services and
Uh and websites as though you are from that region just like a vpn would but what gives it a big advantage
over a traditional vpn
is that
Service providers are constantly trying to block vpns from accessing their services and there's a hundred reasons
That might exist for this whether it's uh authoritarian regimes that don't want access to outside information coming across their borders
Or whether it's companies that have complicated licensing agreements that allow them to display content in one country
But not in another country because the internet doesn't exist
in their world view
Um, there are lots of reasons why they will aggressively pursue these users who are accessing their content from another region
Because in some cases it can open them up to serious legal liability if they are found to be
Not doing their due diligence to enforce the terms of their license
And so there's this constant game of whack-a-mole where vpn providers are trying to find ways to use safe
non-blocked ip's that are registered to that region
and
Service providers are trying to find ways to play whack-a-mole and ban ip blocks
That are associated with these vpn services and it's at the point now where a company like shadow tech you remember shadow tech
They had like gaming servers. Are they still around in data centers?
I don't know if they're still doing it, but they they were for a while anyway
And then they had a whole like insolvency thing, but shadow tech
Um had the challenge of trying to find a way to get there like they actually had to work through
Services like netflix to get their ip blocks
Unbanned because it got to the point where service providers just basically said, okay
We're just going to
Just block list
Every ip that's associated with a data center
a data center because any commercial vpn service that is running out of a data center is going to be on these ip blocks
And really there's no reason that
You know
Some cloud server for some infrastructure is going to need to watch movies on netflix anyway
so the fact that there were consumers using these these data center ip's was a challenge that they had to solve and
It was as simple as getting netflix to allow them. They were just they just had to demonstrate that
It was not inordinate use coming through this ip, which is pretty
Trivial for them to detect like okay, you know five people or whatever the amount they allow per account
It could not possibly be watching this much bridgerton or whatever, right?
um
And where was I going with this right right, right
So the advantage is that by having all of these nodes it becomes extremely difficult to play that game of whack-a-mole
Efficiently, right to just mass ban anything that could possibly be associated with a commercial service
And move on to the next thing and because
Theoretically if the network gets large enough
That traffic could be spread out so much
It would be it would be really hard for them to even detect it through like a brute force method like
Looking at how much use is coming through it and and blocking that ip
Now they could get aggressive and start trying to to to block everything that they suspect is a multiple user
But they'd end up irking a lot of customers and now that netflix charges so much
You don't want to you don't want to create friction with your legitimate paying customer, right?
So any overly aggressive attempt to curb
Undesirable behaviors like hosting a vpn that other users are tunneling through
Runs the risk of causing people to cancel your service, which doesn't look great on your you know
Quarterly revenue reports because you're a public company, right? I mean, there's a lot of places where there isn't really isp competition
That's that's fair, especially in the states, but I meant for netflix people could cancel that service. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's not a good look
Yeah
Winter says just use a pia static ip and generate a new one each month that service that is not a good look
Service that pia offers if I recall does it cost more? I can't remember. Uh, but that service that pia offers so much is
Difficult to maintain finding new especially ipv4 ips these days
It's not well, it's easy, but it's not cheap. Yeah is what I will is what I will say about that
I don't know. There's there's
So the downside yeah
Is that all of your internet traffic is going through some midpoint
That you do not control
Kind of same vice versa on that coin
theoretically
Theoretically, there's a bunch of internet you are encrypting it
Before it goes through
But my understanding is that there's no way to encrypt what comes back to you. Yeah
Yeah, I mean almost everything is https now
Like it's there's still some that isn't though. You're right
Especially like your government websites, which I find very funny
Um, low level like a municipal government websites. I find a lot of them kind of still aren't
Um
I don't know
I i've read some stuff that apparently like certain
Uh, what were they called deeper or whatever, uh deeper network?
Apparently, I don't know i've read some stuff on this. I I wasn't prepared for this topic. So i'm sorry
um, but i've read that they're they're looking to
Being more open about certain things. Not that they've necessarily been notably closed off about certain things
But they're they're interested in being more open about certain things like it's it
I don't know. It could be very interesting. It's
A little sketch though
In my opinion i'm gonna maybe invite a surprise guest to the show. Let's see if he picks up
Uh, hey dan, you're um, wait, I forget is it dan or danny?
Dan's good. Great. Um, you're on the wan show. So you're you're live right now
You're you're live right now. I was talking about how ipv4 addresses are getting
I won't say difficult to obtain but certainly expensive to obtain and we've had some people in the chat kind of saying well
They can't be that expensive
Uh, you know surely, you know, you could afford them easily linus
But I remember the last time I talked to you about this being just utterly
Blown away by how expensive it was
For a block of ipv4 addresses and I was wondering if you'd be willing to kind of give us the the latest on that
Yeah, it's about 50 bucks us and ip right now i'm buying in bulk
Per ip and that's up from a year ago about 24
And that's that's you know finite resource rapidly depleted and the price is raising by almost 100% a year
So you're saying that if I wanted to invest
To invest instead of vancouver real estate. I should actually buy ipv4 addresses
You could you'd have to get an asn and you know be an isp and then get a ring to let you have in a location
And then you can go buy them
Okay, but you'd sort that out for me, right?
Sure. Okay. All right. All right, cool. Uh, thanks dan good chat
I guess we haven't talked in a long time, but that means the service is working. Well, so that's a good thing. Um
Um, yeah, good to hear. No, no problem lines. All right. Talk to you later, man. Yeah, have a good one. Okay. Bye
Um that that's itel our isps amazing
Um, I don't know if everyone gets the same kind of service, but I can literally call up their cto
Pretty much whatever I want and ask them stuff
So they've they've helped us do some really really cool stuff with our connection. We pay dearly for the service
Yeah, uh, and i'm not sure how much sense it's going to make forever
Hopefully he doesn't watch this because telus now has two and a half gig residential connections. Just like bond a couple of old
Probably fine. But anyway, the point is yeah
50 freaking bucks. Yeah
We have to we have to get ip's for flow plane, right? So
It's a lot of freaking money. Yeah, and that's bulk. Yeah, do you oh, do you know how much we pay through flow plane?
Because we're buying at much lower volumes than them. Uh, I mean I could figure it out. Yeah, it's okay
don't don't worry too much about my head though, but um
Oh crap, what was I gonna say? Yeah, just everything's getting worse like, you know, we're working on the the infrastructure 2.0 stuff
Servers that we want to get for that
like
When we first started working with ovh, you probably even remember this I would procure a server and it would be up in like minutes
Super fast some of the stuff that we're getting now is like we're getting them to customize the hardware and stuff
So yeah, that's gonna take a moment longer. Yeah, but like you expect okay, maybe you know tomorrow
Or something right now. It's like hmm. Not sure might be done by the end of the month
Yeah, like oh man
All right, like everything in that space is just getting so rough
it makes sense though with like I mean we've had chip shortage for going on for so long now and
So many things are going online and the online space is just massively exploding as it has been for years. So
Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting how much the internet has changed even in the last 10 years because like yeah, sure
It's existed but the amount the the degree to which it's ubiquitous at this point is it's web 3.0 now
It's the metaverse
Have we talked about this on the show? How painful is it for you someone who participated in wow classic like wow vanilla?
I shouldn't say classic. I should say wow vanilla the first one
the first one um
Like in a big way in the community of wow vanilla, how painful is it for you to have?
What you did and lived through over 10 years ago co-opted into a marketing term
That for something that makes no sense and it's been driving me nuts
I I don't know if we've talked about this too much. I know I think I've brought up on one show before but what is it?
It's not anything
How are you? Are you just talking about this? You're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna work on the metaverse. What is it?
What's the metaverse because it's not one thing that's been the crazy thing for me. Like yeah facebook is making something sure
But not everyone's just gonna use facebook's thing
So then wait, it's not one thing then like what what are you doing? Oh, man, it's driving me nuts
There's no like centralized one service
And no one's ever gonna be wants to be it. It's not gonna happen and no one's ever gonna be cool with that
You think microsoft's just gonna be chill that like facebook owns the entire metaverse? No
That's not gonna happen. I just
God, it's been driving me so nuts
Oh, there's like there's no there's there's one buzzword and no plan at all
But there's so much money being poured into this thing that just like doesn't oh we should just change our our name to linus metaverse group
Uh, I mean you could it wouldn't and then go ipo be like yeah, we're working on we're working on educational content for the metaverse
Educational content for the metaverse first we had text then we had pictures then we had video
in the future
We'll have lmg
Content whatever you want to call it. Yeah, you got to just call it something. Yeah, it's like choose it's choose your own adventure
Information delivery in the metaverse never been done before. Yeah. Yeah, we should do it
We should totally do it. So we we do we do like we do. Um, uh, uh, what are what are they called?
Uh
Vtuber we do vtuber linus. Okay. Yes, and we do like, uh, because because you can totally do this with animation software
You record the voiceover and it just automatically syncs the gum flapping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Um, I honestly i've talked i've talked about this before if I was smart. Okay, I would be vtuber transitioning now
So it's a video
But like the whole background is transparency. So it's your you you host it on like a green screen
But it's a vtuber so whatever but everything other than the vtuber is a green screen
Yeah, and the green screen is just what's actually in front of you
And so when you're wearing ar glasses, you just have like the little vtuber in the corner
And metaverse linus sits and like talks to you
Yeah about and then and then we we build a software team like an ai machine learning software team
So that you can ask for tech tips and metaverse linus will give you tech tips and it's basically bonsai buddy
and you can you
Or like there's an old reference
Like microsoft paper clip so you can have like what's that? What's that burger place in taiwan that you don't like moss burger
Oh, it's disgusting. Okay, so you can have it so that when you're walking with your ar glasses
What do you think of this restaurant?
Look at moss burger linus can be like it's not good. You shouldn't go there because
It's blah blah blah blah blah blah metaverse linus metagroup. Oh, man
I'm ready
I'm, so ready. Well, it doesn't matter
Because you just raise vc money from people who have more so much money that making more of it is just a game
Like it's it's like I remember when we reached a point in our business and I I still don't behave like this personally
But when it comes to the business, we reached a point where our budgeting changed
When we started out our budgeting was based on how many dollars and cents
We have in our bank account. Yeah, that was how we budgeted
And at some point it changed and it changed to case
We just we stopped talking in terms of dollars and we started talking in terms of case
Of case okay. This new salary is going to be this many k's and the expected roi more stages
You go to m's we're not going to m's I could I can tell you that i'm just saying some people do actually
Oh, we do have some m level projects
Yeah, we're not gonna we're not gonna get there though. We're we're we're we're we're a case driven company
Yeah, so we reached a point where it started to become okay
Uh, this is the outlay in case and this is the expected return in case over some period of time x
and that started to be how we thought about things and
for your vcs where it's just
You know the you don't actually think about anything in terms of whether you can afford it or not
You're just thinking about it in terms of m's and percentage uplift year over year. It's just like growing the dragon horde, right?
uh
There's just so much money flying around
That it's it's just it's one fad after another. Yeah
And it's just it's bizarre to me. It's like the it's like the no one remembers the dot-com bubble ever happened
You see the winners, right? They want another one. You see the amazon that came out of the dot-com bubble
Did anybody else emerge from the dot-com bubble?
Well, yeah, probably
But like that, yeah
No
No, I was looking at who was I looking at that like still hadn't recovered their doc
It was like a major major company that still hadn't restored their they're like like fortune fortune 500
But still were not valued the way they were in the dot-com bubble. I don't know like there's not many companies
Paypal ebay are a couple that people yeah, okay
There there are some that did it but it's like a handful
It's not the number that went just completely disappeared with all the trace of any money put into them
vanished in a flurry of herman miller chairs on craigslist like
What do you want james
When you want nothing he wants for nothing ladies and gentlemen, i'll have a licorice
Thank you. Oh, I don't want the whole thing. Oh, there's not that many. Okay. Yeah, that's fine
I accept it then you want a licorice take a single licorice. All right, heck yeah
I haven't eaten on wancho in forever if a chunk fell out this might work. This is great. Um
It's a metaverse, yeah
All right, it's just it's actually it actually triggers me
There are there aren't that many things that just can immediately set me off
But whenever I see anything talking about metaverse, I just I flip
Because like there's this there's just nothing there. What are you talking about nfts?
It's
at least like
At least that has a clear
The like yeah, it's total bs, but at least it's clear what the bs is trying to do
It's horse armor. Yeah
At least you get some armor for the horse, I guess I don't know
The the metaverse is just like remember the walmart thing. Was it walmart?
I think it was walmart the like walmart metaverse shopping experience video. Did you ever see that? I didn't see it
And it's just like what is this? Where is this supposed to go?
Like is this go on facebook?
Or is this just another vr application and if it's just another vr application, why are you calling it metaverse?
It's just vr shopping, which is completely fine
Like there's no problem with that that's I mean people were memeing on it because it's like weird to shop in walmart and vr
And it's like yeah, sure. You know what?
I'm, not gonna defend that part but like it's it's whatever it's just a it's a vr thing. Maybe it becomes normal
Maybe it doesn't who cares
But it's not meta like why why are we co-oping this this name from a book from quite a while ago?
Which is apparently cool or whatever. I haven't read it, but apparently it's good
And that's fine
but why are we just co-oping this word for like something that facebook is potentially doing which sounds like
Uh, zuckerberg is just going nuts and wants to spend money on something
Um and wanted to like shift attention from his company getting sued by everyone on the planet
To just the stupidest name slash project that has like ever existed in the tech space in a long time. I just yeah
It actually just bothers me so much because it's nothing
Like like someone someone I watched someone talking about how I didn't think he was gonna go for this long. Sorry
I watched someone talking about how uh mark must have never played vr chat
Yeah, because like everything that they've tried to show off for facebook metaverse is just a bad version of vr chat
And it's like yeah, I completely agree. I I know anyways, sorry we can go talk about something else
No, I love it. I'm having so much fun right now
I mean it was already feeling like kind of a linus heavy episode and so I was like
You know what I bet?
Yeah, I set him up. I just I haven't I haven't played with steam deck, right? So I can't really say a lot about it
I know it's great
Okay, I will defend one aspect of the metaverse to you. Okay, you have to try not to bite my head off about it. Sure
if
They achieve some level of interoperability
okay, so
if
facebook's metaverse
Where you are you are like cross play sure where there's a cafe
In the in the mcdonald's in the walmart
Or there's a there's a seating area. Stop. Stop. Okay, so there's a seating area
In the the the walmart's mcdonald's
Where you can sit stop
where you can
Where you can sit
And you can pull up your vr. Sorry metaverse phone
And call one of your facebook contacts probably your aunt
There won't be anyone young the only reason why anyone uses facebook anymore extended family and then they appear and you could
You and your metaverse avatars
Could leave what an amazing there. Okay, you leave there you go into the walmart
And you help her pick out a tv
Okay in the metaverse and then the tv arrives at her house
Okay
if there's some kind of
movement
between
between
Like these islands of experiences
Then it will be compelling
but
And you can mark my words here was that you guys met at mcdonald's and went to walmart
The movement was the integration between multiple platforms
Okay, so the multiple platforms is mcdonald's and walmart
So walmart has contributed their layout of their store and their product selection and shopping experience
And mcdonald's has contributed creating meetup places and they have engaged with
Facebook to have integration for your contact so that you can meet and make recommendations to each other
So this is part of my core problem, but you can mark my words
That will never happen
And this is part of my core problem
It's like what you're kind of talking about is almost apps working with each other on a platform and facebook metaverse is the platform
Yeah, but no one's gonna let that happen. Yeah, I know without having competing platforms
And so like yes, that might be it's gonna be smart homes all over again. Yeah
So yes, that might be a thing. Maybe there's going to be competing platforms, right?
So microsoft has one amazon has one facebook has one. Google has one apple has one
Everyone under the netflix somehow finds a way to insert themselves. Um
Whatever then there's going to be the the walmart shopping experience for all of those and the microsoft meetup or sorry the
mcdonald's meetup experience for all of those
But you still have people stuck on other metaverses or you know
Versions of vr chat whatever you want to call it. Uh, and so like what's the point?
I just keep coming back to like why?
Because we already have this problem where there's okay
We have vr
But some people are on index and some people are on oculus and some people are on different versions of oculus
So they can't run the same thing and yeah, some people are playing
Yeah, some people are playing uh beat saber
But some people have custom beat saber so they can play custom songs and other people don't and like there's already these problems
And it's just going to fragment it even more and developing something for the metaverse doesn't mean anything because there isn't one
And I just keep coming back to that core problem it's like okay this this app transferability the the crossplay whatever
It doesn't matter because there isn't one metaverse
Chasing Saul says metaverse is entirely a method of removing money from someone else and giving it to someone else. Yeah
Uh, this is uh, this this xkcd comic. Um
Is basically it in a nutshell some of you guys go go go by the book go by their book or something because
Technically, this is their copyrighted comic and we're being bad right now
Um, but but help help us make sure that they get some money. I don't see a donate
I wanted to donate but I don't see a donate link on the thing. So you guys can also throw in the chat, but this is
Amazing. This is it in a nutshell how standards proliferate? Yes
Ac chargers character encodings instant messaging etc situation. There are 14 competing standards 14
Ridiculous, we need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases. Yeah
Soon situation. There are 15 competing standards and that yep is why the metaverse will never
Happen. Oh, apparently it's creative commons, uh attribution. So i'm good. Heck. Yeah. Thank you
Xkcd go buy their book. Anyways, yeah do it. Anyway, yeah people got to eat. All right
There's not even any ads on this page
Limit zero and full paint chat said, uh, just make metaverse an industry streamer
Standard of inter-compatibility. So your steam vr avatars work in oculus, etc. No, they they won't
Yeah, but that's the comic I just showed you. Yeah, someone else will want to own the platform
Yes, and that's that's what i'm saying is the people at play right now are not going to allow it to be
One system owned by one person and all those people at play are going to want to own the system
Because you're talking about like you were just talking about how we deal in k's
You're talking about companies that deal in bees. Yes. These guys want to own the whole thing. Yes
Because there will be lots more bees where they came from
Yeah, I mean you're talking you're talking someone who literally is building a volcanic island fortress
You're talking someone who is literally
Going to space. Yeah in a giant penis rocket for fun
That would be sort of race each other. That would be such a fun like saturday night live sketch
like guess that billionaire
They just say these like
Comically evil things that actual billionaires are actually doing or have done deconstruct a historical bridge to move their yacht
Yeah, exactly build a new island. That's an eye. That's that's a duplicate one now. There's more than one. Oh the yacht?
No, no, no, I mean, uh, I mean I was already uh, I already had a bezos one. Oh, yeah. No, yeah
Yeah, he's just so easy. I know it's so easy. Yeah
Actually looks like dr. Evil
That'd be pretty good invaded a country. Yeah. Oh
On that note. Oh, yeah. Oh sponsors. No. No, uh, uh cross-code
Cross-code is part of the ukraine support bundle. Where is it? Oh, that's cool. It's one of my favorite games
You guys should go buy it. This is not I don't think it's part of the ukraine support bundle, but I was gonna stream
Uh, and then I wasn't able to sorry I was busy. Uh, but I was gonna stream metro because metro
This metro series of games is from a ukrainian developer and the publisher for it is doing this like huge
Supporting thing they donated like a million dollars or something
It was it was huge. They did. I think they did 500 grand of their own money and then they did 500 grand
of employee matched funds
So I think if you include the employees it ends up being 1.5 million, I think but i'm not certain
Okay, rock paper shotgun has an article about it
Where is it?
Itch.io. Is it still available?
Yeah, here it is. Okay, so we're gonna throw this in the chat
Guys, uh, there's a ton of games in here. Just it's awesome. One of my all-time favorites is crosscode
It's a retro style action rpg. Whoa. I didn't realize how many oh yeah 992. Yeah
What the heck? Yeah, we're gonna have to wait. Can you can you change your contribution amount?
There's got to be a way to change your contribution amount. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so i'll i'll make sure that I buy buy it
Another copy of that game won't hurt
And uh also support for ukraine can't hurt they've raised over 4.2 million dollars
Uh, yes, I know they have a new game in the works, uh, rui senpai
I'm, very excited because honestly the best way for me to describe crosscode is it's the game that I would have made
if I stopped doing everything I was doing and
Started a game development studio and was good at it. There's some really legit games in here, by the way
um, i'm, just like scrolling through really quick super hot if you enjoy fps games is just
Fantastic, very unique
Um, which is which is good in that universe. There's there's lots of really tower fall is great
Just lots of fun with the bros and broettes. Yeah
Uh, what else we got in here? Let's let's pick some let's have some linus and luke's picks here as we as we go through here
Oh, there's celeste up above I scrolled past because I didn't know what I was doing
We were going to keep going but slice is sliced is very good
But you guys are going to want to come check this out for sure there's a lot of stuff i've never heard of which is fine
Makes sense. There's a lot of games out there
But I would buy it for crosscode alone
Super hot also, I think that one's worth the price of admission alone. Have you played super hot in vr? I have it's lots of fun
It's so good. Yeah, it's really fun
Safe cracking simulator, that's probably pretty cool
Might be terrible. I haven't actually seen almost anything else that I recognize but I don't even care
There's so many that it would take you so long to go through all of them. Anyways, yeah
There's a bunch of things in here that i've i've like come across them, but I haven't played them myself high name i'm dad
How to be a dad in two simple steps
Okay
How to be a dad in two simple steps. Okay, that seems like it might be a bit of a stretch to call that a game
But I I don't again. I don't know maybe you just showed out in chat if there's uh,
Cool games in here that you would recommend people try out. Yeah, for sure guys go have a look
All right, uh, we should definitely do sponsor spots though, you're right
Yeah, also didn't I say we were going to start talking about the apple event and we just never did I think so
Okay. Yeah, we will do that. We will do that. I promise
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We should talk about the apple event
Yeah
I feel like the whole world already has
Yeah, but in standard wan show fashion you get the news at the end of the week
So you too can get a four thousand dollar computer with one terabyte of storage and I think it's a 20 core cpu
And 64 gigs of ram
So that's pretty cool
For four thousand dollars that is a pretty special cpu the well the gpu is probably the specialist thing
I mean nvidia and amd have been trying to bolt together two gpu's
With the same performance as a much larger gpu for ever. Yeah, basically forever. I mean you could even go back all the way to
3dfx who nvidia acquired along with their sli technology. Yeah
and
the m1 ultra
Does this by using a silicon interposer that connects across?
10,000 plus signals providing two and a half terabytes per second of bandwidth
That allows for a fusion architecture that is so fast that software will recognize these two
discrete chips as one very cool, which
Could just just completely change the game pun intended what few games you can play on apple silicon
No, seriously, though. That's so cool though. Yeah, this no it actually is it's awesome
It's crazy. If you guys haven't already uh, ryan smith from anon tech did uh did a good write-up on
Why this is so mind-blowing it didn't include any um, one thing that I feel like was missing from it
Hey ryan, if you're hi, uh, one thing I feel was missing was some analysis of previous attempts and how much bandwidth was available between gpus
Uh, so I would have liked to see him talk about how traditional sli was actually very low bandwidth
It was basically just for them to synchronize their workload and most of the rendering was actually done
Or most of the workload sharing was done by having each gpu render an alternate frame
Which added stutter because they wouldn't deliver at an even cadence and it also added
I mean it mostly added stutter. It also added inefficiency because you had to kind of
Sort of know what this gpu's frame is going to be before you could like work on everything. So it was never very efficient and then
Stepping it up a tier. You've got interfaces like envy link, which are oh, yeah, right
So because they were both working on essentially their own frames
They both had to store all data in their own frame buffer. You couldn't combine memory
Then you could step it up a bit and you could go to envy link which is high speed enough that the two gpu's can actually
Pool their video memory, which is pretty sick
But they still can't just be treated as a single gpu that you can only use them together for highly parallel workloads
Like, you know whether it's it's mostly non-gaming stuff at this. Oh, yeah, it's all non-gaming
It's all non-gaming. It's like scientific applications, which is sweet and there's a lot more of that these days, but super cool
Yeah, but not applicable to gamers and then you've got apple creating this this on-chip
die-to-die
Interposer thing that is so freaking fast
That you can basically treat every functional unit of this gpu as though or of these gpu's as though they are just one
Which is absolutely the coolest thing that came out of the entire apple event because from my point of view
The mac studio itself is not particularly
Exciting it's it's
four thunderbolt four ports
Is definitely not as good from a professional user standpoint as
The mac pro with like pcie slots for actual cards. We're going back to we're going back to octopus computers
Why are we doing that?
10 gig thought it was over 10 gigs great. HDMI 2.0
Whatever that even means anymore
It's 2.0 not 2.1. So i'm glad whoever did up these specs for us
It looks like this was jonathan horst our resident apple
uh apple user
Um, so it would be the 2.0 level bandwidth. It's the big mac. I love that. Thank you for that tato
Sd card reader usb-c ports usb-a ports
Nice that it's got a couple usb-a ports at least but the m1 ultra processor is just
man
Apple is just flexing on the rest of the industry at this point. The chip is so big
The performance per watt if they're to be believed which so far they haven't been
They've been disingenuous, but I don't think you could say that they outright have lied
Yeah, they haven't been any more disingenuous than like nvidia or intel
Um, it depends nvidia and intel both have periods of extreme transparency and honesty
Like when nvidia released frame view basically giving the entire industry access to the same
tools that they use to yeah, but then they evaluate the products just like
Completely not at all. So yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Well with apple it's perpetual state. Okay
Okay, so can we just recognize the glimmers of goodness? Sure. Okay
It's it's it's hard for me because i've been personally screwed over by nvidia so hard so many times that I just I uh, yeah
Yeah, anyway on the gpu side of things. They said the m1 ultra is comparable to an rtx 3090
While consuming 200 watts less power in industry standard benchmarks, which is yeah, just but man crazy
But then we saw what amd's
Uh chipla approach to rise and did to cpu performance
Back when they launched it all of a sudden. I mean, obviously the first iteration was not perfect. Yeah, but
Boy, especially if you want to talk power consumption that approach looks so good compared to what intel is doing right now with alder
Lake alder lake has the performance
Absolutely it packs but it packs heat. Mm-hmm
Yeah, let's get it's packing heat. Yeah
Yeah
Um
At the end of the event senior vp of hardware engineering. John turnis mentioned that the mac pro is still yet to be replaced
So this is a mid-tier which means that even though apple silicon has been in some cases kind of a bargain
If pricing on this bad boy is anything to go by
the uh
who
Yeah, you come out with an m the mac pro max and it's like four of them
Sorry, sorry, I misspoke, uh prices start at two thousand dollars
that's for a relatively entry-level unit with 512 gigs of ssd and the ultra model starts at four thousand dollars with a one terabyte ssd
In other news apple finally has a 27 inch standalone monitor after many years of not kind of doing their own monitors
So now they've got the pro display xdr and the apple studio display
1600 i was gonna say but you'd think it was a whole computer
Yes
Boom roasted
Six speaker array with spatial audio ultra wide webcam with center stage
Which is actually very cool that keeps you in focus as you're moving around you can get pc stuff like that
But a lot of it is kind of a lot of it's kind of fudgy
There's a cool one. We did a sponsored video on that's actually like it moves the whole camera and actually tracks you shockingly well
Oh, is that the one you used when you were at your place with jake? Yeah
Yeah, I remember seeing that and being like whoa, this is actually pretty good. It's like really impressive. Yeah. Okay. Yeah
Yeah, uh three stand options available one can choose a simple tilt stand or vase amount
Um for 400 you can get tilt and height adjustments an a13 chip
Uh like is a computer
Yeah, pretty much the heck and the nano texture glass is available for 300. So that's cool
There's an iphone se gets an a15 chip from the iphone 13 and 5g
Uh, no millimeter wave and it's only two by two memo. So all right, but that's probably fine
Everything else is unchanged, but the camera and battery improvements. Um
That mostly come from the chip prices up thirty dollars to 429 man. That's iphone se is just like kind of a killer value
430 bucks not bad and the ipad air now has an m1 chip like the ipad pro
Raising everything more questions about whether the ipad pro has any reason to exist unless you absolutely need the much larger screen
Pricing is now six hundred dollars and other miscellaneous. You can now get a green iphone
Some people use them as uh art tablets. I think you might actually want the bigger screen. Oh, yeah
Yeah, but I said unless you need a bigger screen. Yeah. Yeah. I think marquez said it probably best
He devoted exactly 59 seconds to the new colors of iphones and did it as a youtube short short
That seemed appropriate to me. Yeah, uh apple tv plus has movies and exclusive mlb games, man
There are so many baseball games
Did you know they play like 160 games in the season or something stupid like that? They just pack them in. Yeah, it's crazy
Yeah, it's not as like physically demanding as a lot of other sports
They just slam them in because you don't need as much recovery time
I mean except the pitchers i'm sure the pitchers get wrecked
Well, they well they do like they a lot of the time they won't even pitch nine innings like yeah
Yeah, I was being serious when I was saying that but like outside of that
It's not as yeah
in other exciting news
artesian builds exciting news, okay
Has completely soiled all over itself. Yeah
They became infamous in the pc building community when their ceo noah cats. That's right. Noah cats only dogs
Oh, it's not fun. Oh, um when their ceo noah cats denied the streamer
kia pia a pc that
She had been drawn for on stream, which was illegal
By the way, you can't just like change the terms of your giveaway mid giveaway
So the story is oh, well, whatever under 5000 on all socials, you know, but forget it. Let's just reroll. Let's reroll
Um, that's the reroll
And although cats actions sucked
It is the kind of thing where you'd expect them to just put their tail between their legs for a bit and keep cats off camera
Unfortunately for the 40 to 50 employees that work there
How have I never heard of these guys and they have the same number of employees as us who is buying artesian build computers?
They popped off. They're not very old. If I remember correctly they started in like 2018 or 2019 or something
um, they they popped off through just
Pushing I I think a lot of these like affiliate accounts through twitch and they're very like twitch focused
Builder, I guess what? Yeah
they had they had a
Place where they built the bulk of their computers which was in the east that was ran by the former c.o
Oh, I I know this just from watching like steve's video
It's a great video
And then the ceo was in the west and he had a smaller kind of area. They did build computers there
Yeah, it was mostly these stream
Computers that they would build them on stream and then give them away, but they also built some other computers there
And apparently the ceo quit a while back. I don't know exactly when because of
Clashing differences with noah cats. Mm-hmm
And apparently the the side of the business that the ceo was running was allegedly allegedly
This is all allegedly this is all everything here is allegedly. Yes, if you want better information probably just watch steve's video. Yeah, sure
But and I don't know if a lot of this is just ripped off from steve's video. Anyways, to be completely honest. Hi steve. Um,
But yeah, apparently that side of the company was run a little bit more, you know
Better, um a little more better. Yeah, that's how steve would have said it and there's been a fair amount of
kind of you know
assumptions
that from from employees that worked there and also
People trying to look at the company from the outside
That noah cats at kind of near the end barely even cared and just wanted to work on the twitch side of things
He just wanted to like get twitch famous talk to twitch streamers do that type of stuff
Pretty rough. Yeah, the company was very clearly on its last legs because it's gone now
So this week the company's bank accounts were frozen with the people in purchasing no longer being able to purchase things
After this things are bad cats essentially ghosted the company for a couple days. This is all allegedly. Okay. I mean, okay
Yeah, the company was apparently allegedly investigated for tax fraud. Their twitter password was allegedly changed. So employees couldn't post
Refunds were allegedly stopped for customers after several days of nearly no communication
The employees were hit with an email saying that all the financial assets are frozen while an outside council performs a reorganization
And all employees are suspended
Until further notice. I believe that email included a thing saying like hopefully we'll be able to bring you back if we figure things out
So if you have recently bought an artesian builds pc and you do not have it yet in your hands
You need to call your credit card company and get a charge back now. Yeah
Huh?
This is all crazy
Through all this allegedly
This is all crazy through all this allegedly cats doesn't seem to grasp that he just caused 50 people to lose their jobs
And employees feel like he saw the company as more of a cool sandbox
Instead of like a company with real people working for it cool sandbox make them twitch famous to be clear
So yeah
If viewers of the wan show are currently hiring people with pc building experience, um, maybe maybe kind of reach out there might be some
There might be some pc system integrator
Experienced people out there who are looking for work
Uh steve's we got a quote from steven burke, uh from gamer's nexus steven burke
The thing the thing that's really troubling about this one is just how absolutely idiotic the collapse of this company was
Wow
Uh, and this is in the comments of the video an employee allegedly said
Uh working for this company was so rewarding when you weren't talking to noah or working with noah
So sad that so many staff lost their jobs. I hope my colleagues can find comfort elsewhere
a bradshaw
Yeah, or abby I think
I don't think it's ape. But yeah
Yeah, really rough. Um talk about
Going out in a ball of fire. Yeah, that was that was pretty wild. Uh, steve talks in his video about like how
This was really bad, but probably fixable by any like reasonable company
Yeah, make a proper apology video. Yeah find a way to kind of fix it say like we're gonna spend some time
Working on making sure that effectively this never happens. Thank you for your feedback. We have taken it seriously. Just give her the computer
yeah, like
Immediately when this started gaining any momentum you needed to be like
That was super stupid. Here's a computer. I am so sorry. Our bad. Yeah, you can revise your giveaway rules going forward
fine
Right, like I from a business standpoint. I I also personally do not see the value of
You know having someone like a thousand dollar computer. Yeah giving away thousand dollar computers or multi-thousand dollar computers to people who are not going to generate
Thousands or multiple thousands of dollars in profit that because right like at the end of the day
Marketing has to have some kind of a return on investment understand some of it because they're trying to get all
Like new up and coming streamers to start working with them
They're trying to like buy out all the up and coming streamers and there's a cost to that
And there's a cost to that. Yeah, but they try. Okay, they tried to they tried to offer it to her
The problem is that they should have done it right away. Yeah, like right away
Problem is jay was on it jay was on time. I even knew about this jay. We already built the computer
He had already. Yeah, exactly. I was like immediate reaction. That's fantastic. Wow, and and to be honest
He just straight up insulted her and like made fun of her
So she probably just straight up didn't want I actually didn't watch the whole thing because it was just kind of painful to watch
It's really like really stupid. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's it's oh, that's fair enough. Um,
So like yeah, I mean even if they did reach out to her
It's it would be something that would be difficult to recover from but it's I mean, it's possible you pull noah off camera
For an extended period of time potentially ever. Yeah, but you just pull him off camera and you go like yeah
That was extremely bad. We're working on fixing this whatever
I mean people have been making apology videos and then recovering from it for years now. It's not exactly a new thing
um
You thank jay. I mean that would be an interesting way to go
Yeah, like it's cool that the wow. That's a next level move. Yeah, it's cool
The computer industry like has each other's back so much. I'm really unhappy that this time
We were on the wrong side of it, but i'm happy to see were you like you replace jay's computer or something like that
You'd be like hey jay or you know, thanks for thanks for that
Do you give this away to your viewers? Sure. Yeah, something like that. You try and turn on l into a w
Yeah, you know you could just you take two l's and you just yeah, perfect
Uh, but yeah, it's I mean it would have been rough but like you don't expect that issue to just delete your entire company of 50 employees
Yeah within a week or whatever it was, right?
Honestly, you know i'm looking at this going wow
You can make a system builder with that kind of momentum just by having a few people watch you build computers
on twitch. I should make a computer company. Well, maybe you can't it's kind of the side story, right?
Because it sounds I mean they weren't able to do business in california
They were being looked at for tax fraud all this kind of stuff
So like the the company was on the company was limping it might have been better when the coo was there
Everything i've been finding is that all the all the people were much happier with that person
And maybe the the company ran more
Uh, what is it called flushed when he was around? I don't know. Um,
But yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's another one. Steve is is helping the employees
He's getting them all to reach out to him and I believe he's trying to find like system integrator companies that are hiring people
So he can try to help them get jobs and stuff. Steve's being really cool about all this. Um,
So that's I mean that's awesome
And if you are watching this and you're an employee there and you somehow haven't already heard about that
Uh reach out to steve and i'm sure you have yeah, i'm sure they have as well. Yeah. All right. Well, that's uh,
That's very
It's not even unfortunate
Because it's not fortune that caused this
Well, it's unfortunate for the people. It's unfortunate for the employees. Yeah. Yeah, and hopefully they they land on their feet
Oh, man
Here's some big news amd
Asks motherboard manufacturers to remove overclocking options for the ryzen 7 5700
X3d so we've been talking for years about how companies aren't your friends
So when people have been bringing up like amd are the good guys
It's like it may be a little more nuanced than that luke. I don't I mean it probably is i'm just saying
I'm, just saying this will be the first chip out of amd with their 3d v cache. Okay, so it's got way
Way more cache than we've seen on amd CPUs in the past
But it seems like it comes with a bit of a catch compared to the regular 5800x
it has lower base and boost clocks the same price tag at launch and
Currently, no overclocking. So tech power up verified the rumor posted on video cards and amd is refusing to explain
Why the chip can't overclock?
And I don't believe that they have given any indication as to whether or not it will be unlocked
By the time consumers can actually get their hands on these things
So basically they sent this note to manufacturers
5800x 3d
5800x 3d 8 core 16 thread 100 dash part number 105 watt ajisa
Uh, pi 1 2 0 6 b 1 slash 28. Please hide vermeer x cpu oc bios setup options
To my knowledge even motherboard manufacturers haven't been given any explanation as to yeah, why overclocking is blocked
but it seems like
This massive 96 megabytes of level 3 cache
Probably has something to do with it. There has to be
There has to be something that amd is trying to protect
in this chip
By not allowing users to overclock because they've actually been
Pretty cool about overclocking for the most part every ryzen's chip has been unlocked
There's a bunch of people in full blank chat saying amd bad now. That's not what I was trying to say
I'm, not saying they're bad. I'm just saying they're not your friend. No company is your friend
Not not bad. They're just they're in it to win it and when it is your money
Not your feelings. Yeah
100 unless your feelings lead you to want to give them your money. Yes
In other news limewire is back. Hey
Hey stick to austria to austrian. Sorry to austrian entrepreneurs bought the rice to limewire and they're launching a new company
limewire gmbh
Paul and julian not going to try to say that last name, uh spun up the company
They think it'll evoke nostalgia for millennials and gen z which i'm sure gen z I don't think so
Limewire was dead by the time we were in high school, wasn't it?
I can't imagine gen zers being too nostalgic about limewire. Um, but yeah, like very early high school for me
Limewire was super gone
Yeah
Or you'd like go over to your friend's house who's not very computer savvy and they'd still have it and their computer just be wrecked
Because of all the viruses and it's just like oh, okay. That's why
Um, like are you sure you don't want to use sherry as a
Poor whatever. Yeah, uh, the the platform will be used
Next
For nfts
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very nice
We all know what happened to the wu-tang album. We don't want that to happen again
I want to hear from you guys float plane chat. Are there any gen zers in there that
Have any nostalgia whatsoever for limewire? I seriously don't i'm trying to remember what the what the order was of like the main
The main file sharing so it was it was napster first obviously was legit. Then you had kazza
I believe came after napster sort of at the same time
And then after yeah sherry as a was like a fork of kazza or something like that if I recall this is all
completely from it's been a minute like
Teenager me's memory. Um, and then I thought limewire was in there somewhere
Yeah, i'm gen z never used limewire. Yeah, I used it, but it wasn't an emotional experience
Roasted roasted one person said I do
Looking I guess gen z started mid to late 1990s. That's way
Yeah, that's way too late. Like they would have been actual children. Yeah at this point
Yeah, you must have been pretty young if that was necessary. I'm borderline gen z millennial and I got a lot of viruses as a kid
Oh, man, I feel like dealing with viruses is like
Was much more of a thing back then it's funny. Uh jayden's like i'm on the edge of millennial don't remember it after elementary school
which is so funny to me because
Using your parents computer wasn't really as much of a thing when I was in elementary school. Oh, yeah, right like for sure
Yeah, I like I wasn't why why i'm sitting here going oh, I'm not sure what I'm doing
For sure. Yeah, I like I wasn't why why i'm sitting here going. Oh, well, why would an elementary school kid be like allowed on the internet?
Oh, okay. A lot of my friends in elementary school didn't have like it wasn't until i'm trying to think
like no joke
Man, did I have I don't think I had internet when I lived at my dad's place. Exactly. That's my point. Yeah until 97
Wow
Yeah, I mean like later elementary school like in grade six it was it was quite common
Yeah, but I specifically remember like grade three grade four like a lot of people didn't have yeah
A lot of people didn't have the internet crazy
All right aging ourselves a little bit
This is great did you dude millennial you haven't heard three doors down kryptonite without hearing all the screeching beeps
I remember when they used to seed corrupted files into the into the file sharing efforts. That was so awesome
Boom boom boom
The file you're listening to is available on whatever like universal music
Oh, man, I remember that
Oh, it's so great. Yeah
It's been a long time
There was nutella. I never used nutella. I don't remember that one at all
Well codependent says holy schnikey supposedly emule still works. Oh no
We should do some uh, we should do some I almost said super chats. We don't do those in here
Uh, we should do the merch messages. Yeah
jianna says
Hey linus and luke you said you'd like ltt store to be sort of a lifestyle brand besides more plane stealth items
What are some lifestyle products you envision for ltt store? Well, I mean, I the the screwdriver backpack
Yeah, there's the women's clothing doesn't I guess that's plain. That's still clothing. Yeah
Uh, we have stealth and I was like, there's no logos. We have puzzles coming
So that's cool. Like basically we just don't want to be constrained by traditional merch. There's the
I think there's only one right now
But the kid products. Yeah the book. Yeah, it's pretty unique to have a book. Yeah
Yeah, so we just we just want to make things we want to make that we think are cool. Yeah
Rachel says hey linus
By now, i'm sure you've seen the suggestions for anthony to have a channel focused on linux. Do you have any plans for that?
um
the problem with
So we're getting into like business talk now
The problem is that if I have one anthony and that is the number of anthonys that we have here at linus media group
Yeah, so i've got one anthony trying to clone it, but it's hard. You've got this chessboard, right?
Anthony's like the queen or the king you got one of them. Okay
and so
They can only do
one thing at a time
and
I could take that anthony and I could assign him to work on things that
A million or two million or five million people will watch and learn from him
or I could assign him to things where
30 000 30 000 or 50 000 people might watch and learn from him and anthony might really enjoy what he's working on
but
In the interest of the greater good both to us and to the tech community
Should I put the anthony in front of as many people as possible working on high profile projects?
Or should I sideline anthony?
Anthony into a niche channel that will never grow beyond
A certain ceiling. So what you're saying is we need to get more writers to the end of the board
Um, and then they become anthonys
I don't know if that's what I was saying, but I guess it's chill
That's where that's where i'm at on it that's where that's where i'm out on it it's uh anthony is great
But I think that uh a channel focused on linux has a ceiling and I think that it's also a community
That's pretty well served. Like why are we why are we going in and trying to
To take over someone else's deal almost a disproportionately large amount of linux creators. Yeah
So there's there's a lot of content out there with mac. For example, we saw a unique opportunity for ourselves as sort of the
the not butt kissy
apple coverage
right
and but but that
Still, you know, we we want hosts and we want writers that do love the products and love the ecosystem
But are not constrained in any way by having to have a relationship with apple
We will just buy horshed anything that he needs so he never has to worry about that
So we're we're untethered in that way, which is cool. And I saw that as a differentiating factor
But for the linux one, I just I just don't see what it would be
Uh, so it goes I feel like anthony could work on a linux video once or twice a month
Do you have any idea how long it takes to make a video?
once or twice a month would be like
40 percent of his output
Especially if it's twice in a month like no no that no no no
Uh
Kushal been watching since usb sticks killed servers and that guy was called slick if you could bring back one failed product or company
But make it successful. What would it be? Oh, man
I want to say engage
I wish I wish nintendo had had a competitor in the mobile gaming space all these years
Case labs a case labs would be pretty cool. No, they're not back someone bought the name, but I think it's like not back yet
Yeah, and I don't know if it will be what it was
It will be what it was
What else is what else has failed I can't think of a ton but my knee jerk was case labs, but I can't
I'm trying to think of things that have failed that I actually liked a quark says zune. Yeah. Yeah
Zune software was awesome. Yeah, that's fair. Zune software was so legit
I wouldn't want to do that now to be honest, but zune software on my phone could be interesting lasaga says vita. Yeah vita
Would be would be very legit, man
What a missed opportunity that was for them to just make zoom the primo streaming platform
Oh, yeah, people would have people would have installed the crap out of that. So for sure man microsoft
For a company that is so big and so successful so many balls like
man
Yeah
If you ever wanted to sell out on nfts, you could always nft the early badges on the forum. That's really funny
I didn't really think about that. We kind of did an nft sale
When we did the contributor badges on the forum
How was it an nft sale?
well, it's like people just buying the rights to use an image that anyone could copy as like
Um a badge on their on their user account. No. Well, no, I know it's not an nft
I just mean you're just buying digital art. That's not how it works. No. Oh, that's true
It's because it's a function on the site. You actually cannot just put it there. Yes
But okay, we don't care if people download the image. That wasn't that wasn't the point but but
Hold on nfts. If you set them as your profile picture on twitter do actually integrate with the platform
It's not a profile picture. What is it? It's not a user interactable area of the website
Well, it's an award that you get. Oh you are
Splitting hairs. I don't think I am I actually completely disagree. This this is not no user can just do this
You can't like because on on okay, so you get a hexagon around it and everyone makes fun of you because you have a hexagon
Picture on your twitter profile. So whatever that's the only difference on there you get a hexagon or you don't
But no one gives a crap and they just make fun of you if you have it on the forum
It's it's a non-user interactable section. It's a badge holder area. You can't add things there. You can't subtract things from there
They're just there if you've earned them or purchased them
I think it's got a pretty similar vibe. You're buying digital artwork
You're not though. Well, you kind of are no you're not. Well, you're okay. You're buying rep like you're you're buying you're flexing
Yes by buying an image on a hundred percent
Yeah, then it's the same thing, but you're buying you're buying an award the image part doesn't matter
The image part was actually so bad
That remember we drew some of them in paint and tried to make them intentionally bad. Wow, the chat is very divided on this
Wow
Some of it was artwork olinic. I mean some artists created it and also
I did some hand-drawn ones that were very expensive and they were intentionally awful
And it's just one of them
Yes, but theoretically an nft is just one but and anyone can download it and we knew that from the start
But no one else can add it as their badge on their profile. That's true. Ryan Carson points out that it can't be resold. Yeah
so
It's worse than an nft
Yeah, sure. I don't know i'm just saying it's not an nft that that's like that's like saying skins and video games are nfts
It's like a game that's not a game
That's like that's like saying skins and video games are nfts and it's like no, I think they are certainly precursors
That's why I keep bringing up horse armor every time we talk about it because it's paying actual real actual money for intangible pixels
but it's it's
A lot of nfts even though they they don't have exclusivity built into it at all because you can just mint more of them
Like it's literally part of the whole idea
There's literally artists that have just minted like 50 of one photo and they've been like whatever. Um,
They they come with an assumption of exclusivity game skins do not
It's just a thing that you buy. It's an art attribution that you buy that has nothing to do with nfts, right?
But in the same so game skins whether we're talking game skins or whether we're talking a badge on the forum
The scarcity is determined by the provider. You can't just say anything in the world that has a scarcity element to it is an nft
No, but i'm not saying it is an nft i'm saying it's a very like one
Okay, we're gonna let the community decide. I think luke and I have both had an opportunity to make our cases here
This drop hole actually gonna work this time. I don't know. It's been pretty broken lately
So i've dropped it in the floatplane chat. I've dropped it in the twitch chat against my better judgment because those
Jk, love you twitch chat and i'm dropping it in youtube now which moves so fast that I can't even
Begin, no one's gonna be able to click on it. I gotta wonder
You know youtube chat sup, we don't talk much. But um
The reason is that it moves so fast that there can't possibly be any meaningful interaction in it
So why do you guys bother you type? Yeah, it's
I saw an interesting conversation about it because we're it was like a comparison of a bunch of different streaming tools and like
Um, the value of slowness was part of the conversation and twitch chat
There's just as much interaction in twitch chat, but twitch chat loads in like chunks
So you'll see a bunch of messages and then it'll go
And it'll take off but then you'll see they'll sit there for a sec
Yeah, you'll be able to read them and then they'll take off again
And then youtube is a continuous thing. It's actually much faster which makes it unreadable. So it's almost good
That the twitch version is slower
Because you can actually interact with it even though it's so fast
Well three quarters of the community agrees with you, but I realize I actually kind of phrased the question
You put the you put the question wrong. Yeah, I kind of asked the question wrong. I'm gonna take this w anyways
Well, you're welcome, but you yeah you just you said it wrong
All right, um, fine i'm over it
I should just sell out and sell nfts. No, I should just sell out and then buy a hawaiian island
You should just you should
You should get like one of the creator warehouse people to draw like a poo
And then sell it for like a million dollars. Well, that's exactly it
It'd be hilarious if someone actually buys it
Doesn't make it better if you openly mock it and sell it
I we decided I think we talked about this before and we decided no
No, it doesn't make it any better because you are still
Cynically taking advantage of someone else's belief
That it will appreciate in value. Someone will end up holding that bag and that bag is full of turds
Turds
Oh that that's an nft collection that I don't think has been made yet bag of turds. Yeah, and each bag is like unique
So when you buy it you get a picture of what kind of turds were inside it
Oh boy, that's rough. Yeah. All right back to it
from uh
Braden love the show currently looking for a new mouse my old mx vertical broke and I wanted a better mouse for gaming preferably
Ergonomic any recommendations? Oh boy. Um
Braden
If you liked the mx vertical
um
I don't know what to recommend you because I definitely did not jive with the mx vertical
It's a weird mouse. It's a weird mouse. Can I show your screen?
Uh, yeah, sure here one sec. Oh, I already did it. No, it's fine. Okay, it's just loading. There we go
Yeah, that's the vertical
So suggesting a different mouse than the vertical is like
Kind of tough. Yeah
Thanks for thanks for writing into the show though, but I just don't even know where to begin. You're showing yours. Whoops wrong screen
Uh, robert, why do screens have a minimum brightness I get the max but why can't I turn it all the way down to zero percent?
That is a wonderful question and it has to do with the way that screen brightness is modulated. So
whether it's pwm modulation which used to be more common on earlier lcd's and
Was good because it allowed you to effectively go down to zero brightness just by
pulsing the
pulsing the um the power to the backlight more or less often
But had the drawback of flickering
Uh and or strobing like it was it was annoying and could give people
Mild side effects like headaches or whatever the case may be. So now we use dc modulation
Or and it's not really modulation at that point. We use dc control. So we adjust the voltage being provided
And the reason that you can't just keep taking the voltage down to zero is that electronics have a minimum
Voltage that is required for them to run now. I would love to see some
innovation, um around something like
um
Nd filters for example, oh like interesting so we have lenses for example in the studio
studio where there's there's two nd filters that you can uh counter rotate to allow more or less light to pass through and
They are mostly
Transparent in terms of not not coloring the light that passes through them
I think something like that would be an amazing way to achieve a lower light output
but maybe that's just something that could be an accessory for a product like a like a portable handheld gaming system or
Or something along those lines, but the reality of it is you just can't turn the voltage lower and lower and lower
Because eventually you just won't be able to drive the screen off. Yeah. Yeah
Next
One was from kyle. He said would you ever consider doing a collab with the guys at nasa spaceflight?
It'd be super cool to see the camera robotics and networking they've developed
And use for rocket launch tracking and live streams
Maybe petabyte build for them too. Yeah, we we actually have a contact at the canadian space agency now
Do we really yeah, he reached out saying like I can't join full-time
But we would be interested in like consulting or helping with labs
Interesting. Um, so I mean that could be cool. Yeah, that's super cool. I mean, we yeah, we're down to collab
It's I think you guys
I think you guys overestimate the simplicity of making a video about sciency stuff like that. Yeah, it's kind of a
challenging thing to make engaging to
An average viewer and we're at a point where ltt can't upload a video that only appeals to a hundred thousand people that is not
Sustainable for our company everything we upload has to at least appeal to a million people
So whenever we do something that's like holy crap look at this thing there has to be
enough that is relatable to our
To our consumer our predominantly consumer audience if you were able to check out like the control center at houston
I think that might be transferable enough. Yeah, you but okay the problem with that is that you'd have to
Have complete enough access to it. Oh, yeah that you're able to make a compelling video which might not be possible if they came in
And they were just like you get a standard tour. Here's this room
What does that do that's classified? Yeah, what does that do classified? That's not a video. There's no video agree
So that's one of the that's one of the ground rules that we have anytime someone brings us in to do a
Piece of content about something that's more industrial or more enterprise is we basically go okay look it's gonna have to be unfettered
If I ask you to pull up your you know your your raised cable management floor
You say how high how many tiles do you want removed if I say I want to crawl around in it you say?
when will that be like it's
We have to be able to come in and do our jobs did I ever tell you about I want to crawl around in it
We have to be able to come in and do our jobs. Did I ever tell you about or when I went to
You probably don't but I went to IEM until extreme masters
Yes, I do. Remember that and wasn't that where you beat up that girl and like mario kart. No, that was that was packs
Nope, that was a specific nintendo event was it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, he's an awful person
I really
Oh people i'm not gonna go over that story. But um
Uh, no, we we were able to go backstage and we wanted we we were going to make a video of the like
Oh, that's right of the the big like a video wall or whatever or like some display or networking
It was the the control center how they manage all the incoming streams and how they like box it all together to send it out
Right and we made a video back there and the what what is it? Yes. Yes, a or something the
e s e s a or something the e s e a i'm not sure the company that like runs the I think it's e s e a
Yes
Oh, I think I don't remember the the company that was running the tournament yeah, um, they saw the video go up
We're like
Because intel was like yeah sure that's fine and then just got us back there and then none of the people
That were there were like this is a problem because I was clearly being escorted by intel people
So they were like, I don't know but the people that actually owned that section which was not intel were like, huh?
And it ended up all being totally fine, right?
Uh, but there can be very sensitive information, right? Yeah, and
Um foster pago over on twitch chat says that's right. I agree. But linus, uh put it in a way that sounded pretty bossy
Huh? Well, yeah, I did because if you expect me to come in and do my job
Which is to make your thing be interesting. I think it was the how high part. Well, you got a little that's the answer
Don't tell me how to do my job. I've been doing it longer than you. That's the reality of it
And so if your goal is to have me come in
Yeah, thanks. Uh, if your goal is to have me come in and make an interesting video, then you have to facilitate it
It can't it can't you can't be blocking me
We're on the same team is pretty much what i'm trying to say and I potentially be certain things
But it there needs to like i'm a reasonable. Yeah, obviously
yeah, but that's the reason that I specifically said that this is really challenging when it comes to industrial or enterprise applications because
It's not immediately relatable like making a video about
Say for example an enterprise storage appliance. Okay making that
Interesting to a million people or two million people is not simple
And it's not something that's necessarily intuitive to the kinds of people that work in pr or corporate
Communications for a company that produces a product like that
Especially if you can like only look at it from the outside or something exactly
So if I show up and i'm like, hey, I want to see the backplane and they're like, no, sorry and I go
Okay, I need to open the chassis and they're like no
And I kind of go well, I need to see the cooling system and they go. Sorry. We can't show you that
Right, then you're basically asking me to come and do my job while you put up obstacles that prevent me from doing my job
Yeah, right. So just want a bad advertisement at that point, but they don't even really know how to do it
But they don't even realize it would be bad
And that's it. So they just want an advertisement
It's like no it has to be interesting
Exactly. Exactly. There's nothing that grinds my gears more than someone who expects me to come in and produce an ad for them
like no
This is a give and take relationship
I need content
You want content?
Let's work together is the point that I was trying to make and so
When it comes
Okay, hp out of san years ago, right? So when it comes to creating obstacles for me. No, I don't tolerate it
I just won't go i'll say look these are the terms
You have to you have to be open with us. You have to give us access. We have to be able to
Climb up on a thing if that's what we need for an interesting shot
You got to accept that and if you don't
then have someone else do your do your corporate tour video and no one will watch it because
There's a reason people watch what we do and they don't watch that because that's boring
Yeah, i'm not going to go in and make not boring content because I can't upload that
That's the way it is
Yeah
Uh, we've got some more merch messages here
Jason says my 11 year old wants to create youtube videos any recommendations on where to start gear applications, etc
your phone your phone your phone and
Some free or cheap video editing software on your phone
because the first thing any 11 year old needs to figure out is if they're
Actually passionate about this or if they're going to do it one time and forget about it. Not even that there's there's
extremely successful
Many million views per video many million subscriber channels that work exclusively off of iphones like straight up
Robin 5693 asks linus what if there's a safety reason you're not allowed like a radiation area
Then the next thing i'll say is okay. I want to see the control center for the radiation control
system
Or something or something. Yeah, you have to give me something like you said
Be reasonable. It's a visual medium
right and uh negev says, um
Oh wait, why was luke escorted by intel people because you just are when you're in a restricted area. You need an escort
That's normal. Like it's not
It's not that
We don't understand how the world works
It's just that a lot of the time the people working in these jobs don't understand how content works
They don't do it day to day. They don't get it
They watch the video and they go wow
That's a lot of views and a lot of the times they just haven't even watched any of our actual content like i've shown up
And they didn't realize that I was going to start taking things apart and I go. Well, did you even know who I am?
Why did you even call me?
You know
What are things which is fine. I don't expect everyone to know who I am
It's just that if you went to the trouble to fly me here, I figured you might that's all. Yeah
Um
Nathaniel are there any videos you regret making e.g. ASMR build guide? Well, that's certainly one of them
Uh, I regret that wan show where I was like crypto will never be a thing
It's going nowhere when the guy bought the house. Oh, there's a lot of tips on wan show that i'm sure yeah for sure
I i'm sure there's a lot of takes on wan show that we probably regret and there's a lot of takes on wan show that also
Like end up ended up becoming like prophetic statements. Um, I don't know who knows
how videos you regret making
Videos you regret making man that wd sponsorship at computex that first year was pretty rough
Yeah, so we inked a deal with it's all people who aren't there anymore
So I feel like I can tell this story but we inked a deal with our wd rep man
Were we ever we were scrappy we were desperate back then
The deal was they would be our sponsor for computex
But on every day of the show we had to make a separate
individual video from the wd booth
and there was like
Getting one video out of the wd booth that year would have been a struggle been really tough. I remember
because that that was the that was the first show that I did kind of
On my own in regards to hosting stuff
And I remember like feeling kind of cheesed because you just dumped all the trash on me
Um, that's but yes, but then I also remember feeling so stoked because I didn't have to do any of the wd videos
All the wd stuff
So time consuming because they always wanted to bring some director or vp to talk to me about stuff
Brandon and I would cruise by you guys see you're doing something go film a whole video cruise back and you had like not progressed
Very far and I knew you were faster and more efficient than me
So i'm just like, oh my goodness. This must be really rough
I made an entire video. This is amazing. I made an entire video
about the stupid
hard drive inspired
Car that they had in the booth. Well, didn't you specifically have to make that one too? Yes
You had to make it about the car. Yeah, I wanted to just integrate the car into like other thing else. Yeah content
I remember you specifically telling me that you had to make a dedicated video just about the car and I was just like
Oh no, like it was kind of neat in that it's all like kind of
Inspired by actual hard drive components. Like these are uh, the actuator arms and stuff like that. So it's like
Neat, but man some some of the like art projects that get made for shows
There were not five
Videos worth of things in that oh six six. Hold on. How long are there's six days
six days
Holy crap
Yeah
um
There okay. Oh this this reminds me of something we uh, we regretted making so much that we never made it public
so oh
Okay, are you sure you even want to go over that you guys are
Oh, no, so oh no one of the one of the like industry computex traditions
For
Better or for worse i'm using the word better very charitably here better. Not better. Um is
It's a bit of a different
Culture over there, I guess I would say I mean this used to be a thing in at western shows as well
Oh for sure. I mean, it's still a thing depending on what western show you go to that's probably fair
Like I went to a car show not that long ago. I'm sure it's still a car show
booth babes were definitely still a thing to use the I
In my opinion slightly derogatory term, but I need you guys to understand what i'm talking about
And that's the only word I really generally referred. It's the only really word I really know for it. Um,
But we we were like, oh, okay. Should we do like a booth compilation that includes?
Like the the the the the presenters at each booth because it's pretty typical at computex
For them to have people that obviously don't work at these companies that in some cases are definitely not wearing enough clothing
and we were just like many this is the cringiest thing ever and
It doesn't matter if this is a thing that everyone does we're just not going to participate in this
Was what we ultimately decided and i'm extremely glad that we never uploaded that. Yeah
Like extremely glad I could not be more glad that that did not happen
It was just it would have been one of the yeah, go ahead computex was the only one because again
There was there was booth babes or however, you refer to them. I genuinely don't know if there's another name for it. I don't know
Um, ces it was pretty big there there was some at packs, but it was not very big there
But at computex computex was the only show that I knew photographers went there purely to take photos of them
Yeah, not to cover anything to do with the show other than the the booth babes and that was that was like a big
And that was that was like a big what the heck moment for me time for our next uh merch message
Jason when you released the stealth pins shirt, you did a golden ticket design for something like five shirts
What was the design and what did the prize end up being did everyone claim the prize model?
Okay, sure, uh promotional model. Thank you. That is the that is the pc term. Yeah
Uh, what was the design? What did we do? It said something else on it. What was it? Sorry. Oh, oh
I think we gave away cpus. It was the cpu stealth pins shirt, and I think there were different letters in it
Or something or the pin. Yeah, like because it's ltt it spells out ltt kind of subtly
Yeah on the normal ones and it was something else for the special ones
Um, and I believe everyone claimed them but that's a question for nick I said here's your budget to do a giveaway and then it was off my desk
Anonymous asks how easy was it to swap out the ssd and the steam deck actually pretty easy
Uh, we haven't upgraded our steam deck ssd's yet though, but we will soon
Valve has really good guides for how to do a fresh install on it. So it's no big deal
Uh aden next question, uh from aden
Next question, uh from aden is would you consider doing a what's in my bag video with the release of the ltt backpack?
What if that was we were talking today? I didn't end up being able to have that meeting with nick
For other reasons, but we were talking today about like how we could make the product pages unique and I mentioned videos
What if that was the video for the backpack?
You'd like a tour through the backpack with your stuff in it, but that could just be a channel upload
I think that the one on the product page should actually be
We're we're talking about doing maybe for the first time ever pre-orders on a product
And uh screwdriver and backpack are obvious candidates for it because they've been such cash sinks
and so we're thinking about
uh doing like special content for the page and
Luke came up with the idea of doing like product tours of the prototypes
Uh kind of like a kickstarter video
But actually i'm kind of imagining it with like really crappy production values just like me in a room
You might even film it. It's like the cameraman sweet. Um
We'll just show it off. Yeah
Uh, yeah, so yes, we would consider that yeah, absolutely I don't think what's in my bag is very interesting though
I have a pretty boring bag. I like the little the little pouch. Yeah, but I showed the pouch recently. Okay
Yeah, like I just talked about it in I think uh a stream, uh, the steam deck disassembly stream
I think I did it right julian l
Just out of curiosity. Would you ever be doing interested in doing an ltt video on the tech behind vtubers and try turning yourself into
One yeah, I think it'd be really interesting. It is pretty interesting
And I think from a business standpoint, it would actually make a ton of sense to get into it
It's really advanced stuff. Like it's actually
Really cool. I don't know
One any chance of products making their way back onto amazon or was that a one-off? Yes, they're supposed to
In all seriousness though, the the creator warehouse team is super busy we have a new
We have a new like logistics person and she hopefully is going to do a way better job of smoothing out our ordering
So really excited about that cool, but it's going to take time. Yeah, and our restocks, right?
Restocks, right, uh zachary. Hey, thanks for making night shift. Great. Hey, heck. Yeah, zachary
Another water bottle for the collection any tips for a small tech content creator. I mean, it's the same thing
I tell everyone right like you gotta find
You gotta find your own voice. You gotta find something that you are really passionate about
I think the way the meta is going now is it's less about trying to be a huge
Do everything creator and more about finding a niche and absolutely
Killing it like vincent from hdtv test for example, just gets so
far into the weeds on tv and panel technology that
He puts himself in a position
Where he can get big enough in that niche that if he decided to branch out he's got this captive audience
And I think that's the best way to gain a foothold these days versus just trying to be
Another tech youtuber people like passion
So if you're super passionate and super knowledgeable about one particular thing just run with that thing super hard like linus was saying
Hey, lance and luke now that most online computer parts places are kind of shady
Can we trust pc part picker and tiger direct for our pc parts ordering didn't tiger direct like I didn't know they existed anymore
Go down at some point. Are they still a thing?
Holy crap, there's still a thing. Whoa march mayhem hot picks. This is so ncixi basketball has something to do with
computers
uh
wow
389 dollar dell i5 14-inch laptop
Wow, um
Yeah, I don't really know what to tell you about that. Who knows
Um, we don't vet computer shops. Yeah pc part picker. I don't think actually sells anything directly. I didn't think they did
Yeah, I don't think i've heard very good things about mem or uh
What are they called
Microcenter. Yes microcenter. Yeah
Yeah, we haven't seen too many complaints about microcenter
So that's always I mean that's really the only gauge we have because we don't have personal experience ordering from any of these u.s
Only sites. Yep, and I think that's the end. Thank you guys very much for tuning in to the wan show
We will see you again next week. Same bad time same bad channel. Bye
There
Apparently viva la dirt league raised like two and a half million
So
That's crazy these guys are hilarious for what the great expansion bringing it to the next level cool
Yeah
Good for them. Wow, they are really funny
All right. See you later guys