What is up, everyone, and welcome to The WAN Show!
We've got a bunch of great topics for you guys today, including a special guest!
That's right, we've got...
Oh, there he is.
He's kind of in the middle of the frame now.
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He's got...
Yay!
There you go, yeah!
We've got David on the show to talk about the incredible amount of effort that went
into this year's April Fool's prank.
I'm really not quite sure how he pulled it off, but you guys might not realize this
if you're not subscribed to Floatplane.
We actually had a lot of those people working out of the house.
So it was...
The joke was that it wasn't really a joke.
So we're going to talk about everything that was involved in getting entire departments
of the company moved into that residential house for almost a week for some of them.
It seemed pretty inconvenient.
We're also going to be talking about how AI, it turns out, is just underpaid foreigners.
It's like that always has been meme.
Yeah, exactly.
What else we got today?
Discord wants you to monetize your friends.
That's...
I don't know about you guys, but my friends are worthless.
So good luck with that, Discord.
I don't have any.
Is it like a zero times zero situation?
I don't even have another one.
I was just so focused on that.
Intel Megafab, possibly haunted.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Actually, I guess.
See Sonic square paste.
Square paste?
Square paste.
What would a square paste be?
Square spaced?
Yeah.
It's square paste.
Yeah, you walk like, but you can only move in squares.
It's like artisanal toothpaste.
Anyway, Squarespace and MSI are the sponsors for the show today.
So I think we might as well jump right into what exactly went on over on Flow...
Over on Flowplane.
It's been an extremely long, actually, couple weeks.
So the first thing that happened in order to make this April Fool's shoot work was because
we accidentally double booked it with my vacation, I actually had to fly home from Japan.
Do you know this?
I didn't know that was why.
I had to come back a week early because we accidentally scheduled our vacation during
the April Fool's shoot, which couldn't be moved because you would think, oh, well, surely we could have just gotten ready and done the shoot a little bit earlier.
But I don't know.
Maybe maybe we'll have David kind of talk about why that might not have been feasible.
Well, some people were speculating online that the house was, you know, in between tenants.
But no, there's people living there currently.
And so we had to send them on vacation for two weeks so that we could have access to the house for two weeks.
And move all their stuff out.
Oh, my gosh.
Yes.
When I heard that, it took me a second to, like, properly process what that meant.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, like, okay.
Hold on.
Sorry.
Where did you even put it?
We paid for storage.
Okay.
Yeah.
So the idea was, all right, we're going to move into the office.
But the tenants there are very much in the middle of their lease.
Like, this isn't like, yeah, we can get easy access to it.
It's full of their stuff.
So I got to say, if I was them and my landlord called me up and was like, hey, so here's the deal.
I want to move all your stuff out of your house for two weeks.
I'm going to send you somewhere.
And then when you come back, it's all going to be moved back in, probably in the same space.
Would you do it?
I think so.
Would you take the deal?
Free vacation.
Let's say, yeah, let's say it was.
If there's some amount of assurance for, like, hey, if we, like, break this thing, we'll replace it.
I mean, I can tell you they have nothing in writing.
I think it would really depend on the landlord.
But maybe.
Yeah.
David, would you do it?
Your landlord right now, would you do it?
A hundred percent.
I would take a free vacation.
You can go today.
Today.
Okay.
What about you, Dan?
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
Okay.
We're all doing it.
So apparently this is just a completely normal thing.
It's definitely not normal.
I would definitely be hesitant.
Any of us are normal.
No, not normal.
I can think of a lot of people that would never do this.
That's fair.
But I'm just thinking, like, okay, if I, like, take a couple small valuables and, like, store
them at my parents' place, which I could do in, like, half an hour, then, yeah, whatever.
Just send it.
So I think one of the...
Also, see ya.
I think one of the biggest challenges with this, though, was that David and I approached
it with very different creative visions from the start.
So, David, why don't you talk them through what could have been?
And we'll let the audience kind of ruminate on it themselves.
Because, honestly, the issue was not that his idea was bad, in my opinion.
I think it was great.
It just wasn't what I had had in the back of my mind for the last two or three years
or whenever I originally came up with this idea.
And I was like, can we change this?
Anyway, so, David, do you want to talk them through what you had thought of?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, that first meeting we had was pretty contentious.
It got pretty heated.
My idea was more mockumentary style.
So we're kind of doing it more skits, room by room, department by department,
and separating it more so that I could move people in and out of the house a little easier.
And we could, you know, have something set up for them,
but it doesn't have to actually be super real.
Just to consider it over here.
Meanwhile, I'm like, let's just move the company in.
Yeah, and it was going to be definitely more absurd.
Like, one of the first jokes that I wrote, and I think it was the point at which we were
diverting was like, oh, yeah, we don't have enough power.
So we handed out typewriters for people to work on, and it was going to be kind of more
silly and absurd in that direction.
But Linus convinced me.
We argued, and then after a weekend of me cooling down, I was convinced that he was right,
and that having it be a real thing is something that you can't fake.
And so we decided that we were going to really move people and set them up in this house and
set up this real network infrastructure and bring real computers, real monitors,
and have it that every single person at that house could do real work.
And I'm pretty sure that every single person that was in that video, other than Labs,
Labs is probably the one, they were really doing their job in that house.
So that was what David told everybody, was in order to make it feel lived in, bring other
logistics, we'll bring in the monitors, which were graciously provided by ViewSonic and LandFest.
So the monitors were brought in from a third party, but everyone was told, okay, other than
the basic, like, we'll have buckets for you to sit on, gather up kind of everything you
can carry, such that you could do a day's worth of work.
And so that's why it really felt lived in and worked in, because the editors were actually
editing real videos.
If you look, if you watch the video, because the turnaround for the April Fool's video was
really fast, if you screen peek, you will see videos that are not out yet, being worked
on by the people sitting in the house.
One of the more insane meetings I've probably ever had was talking to David,
because I got this message or something, I don't remember what it was, saying basically
like, yeah, we need some servers and cables.
And I was like, oh, okay, we're just going to take some dead servers off the shelf, we'll
just lay them there, and we'll just toss some cables around so it looks like there's
cables in the thing.
And he's like, yes, we need a working NAS so the editors can be productive while we're
there.
And I'm just like, what is happening?
How is this necessary for, anyway.
So, the part that David left out of the story from The Pitch Beauty was that we reached
a point where I felt like we were at a bit of an impasse.
And one of my favorite conflict resolution strategies is to bring in a third party, to
get a third opinion.
In this case, it was less of a third opinion, and it was more of, I feel like David was being
so sensible and practical about everything.
He was trying to make sure that...
Because when he does this, it's great.
He'll always bring in a loaded person, and he knows it's going to agree with his side.
Oh, I didn't.
So, who did you pick?
No, I didn't.
I didn't even.
I didn't.
Oh, fine, Dave.
Not David.
Fine, Luke.
Who do you think I brought in, then?
I don't know.
Well, make a guess, because you're not going to get it.
Elijah.
No.
Come on.
Come at me, bro.
I don't know.
Come at me.
Yvonne.
No.
Where was this meeting?
No, no.
It took place in my office.
It was in my office.
Okay.
Yeah.
He's not going to get it.
He has no chance.
You might not remember, but there was actually two people brought into this meeting.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh, I forgot about one of them.
A third and a fourth party.
Okay.
Okay.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
You're right.
Oh.
Okay.
So, first.
Okay.
Fine.
Go ahead.
You get one more guess.
I haven't gotten either of them yet.
James.
Yeah.
Yeah.
James was the first one.
That's how you said two people.
I was like, whoa.
Okay.
I forget what he said, though.
David, what did James say?
He was on your side almost right away, and that's when I knew.
I was like, okay, maybe my brilliance is not true.
Okay.
I forgot about that, but it wasn't.
I mean, realistically, I don't feel like you were digging in that much based on the difference
in creative opinion.
It felt like a lot of it was just like, everyone's going to hate me for doing this.
That's a fair thing to be concerned about.
So, the party I called in, and where I think I actually got David to come around to it was
I called Taryn.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, I called him, and I basically went, okay, here's the pitch.
I actually think I would have eventually got that.
As long as we make it clear to everyone that we understand that their deadlines are going
to be pushed.
Yeah.
And that their productivity is going-
As long as it's not going to stress people out.
And as long as I had Taryn's buy-in on the opportunity cost.
Because, like, dude, David, I don't even know what the bill was for this.
I don't know exactly either.
Does anybody know?
We should find out.
I'm sure one of the accountants do.
I don't know if you want to find out.
Yeah.
There's, like, no way it was worth it.
But the, yeah, so I don't even know what the-
If you're listening on a podcast format, I did air quotes.
What the actual production bill was for this.
But it was probably, if not certainly, the highest cost production we have ever done.
And that even ignores the opportunity cost.
Oh, yeah.
Because it's one thing to hire a bunch of talent to come in and produce a thing.
It's a whole other thing to shut down the-
I would say, David, how many people ultimately volunteered?
Like, what percentage of the company did we actually have in there?
I think total, it was probably around 55-ish people.
Okay, so that's over half.
That's, like, because out of the locals, that's almost 70% of the actual local staff, then.
Like, 60-something percent.
That is absolutely wild.
Was anyone voluntold, or was it all-
It was all voluntold.
It was all voluntold.
Because I first would meet, I first met with the managers, and I was like, hey, you know,
can you pick people?
And I mean, I don't know department by department how it went.
But I basically was like, hey, just pick your people, and then we'll go from there.
Everyone I've talked to about it was stoked on it.
So, like-
Well, you haven't talked to all the same people as me.
Oh!
Fun.
No, everyone was such a good sport about it.
And, like, I think there was such a great energy being at the house.
Everyone was having a good time.
And it's rare that we get to do stuff like that all together.
And it's even rare that we get to do that stuff with that many people for production.
And so, I think it was kind of a real treat, and everyone sort of cherished the days we were there.
I think for the people who weren't part of that, the vibe for me was a lot like old channel super fun.
When we would just, like, grab people out of their desks and be like, okay, we need to shoot a channel super fun.
Guess what?
You're getting, you know, shot with nerf darts.
It's going to be a battle.
You're team basement.
We're team attic.
Let's go.
Like, it really had that sort of chaotic vibe.
But I've got to give credit to David, to the logistics team.
I've got to give credit to our partners.
It was shockingly organized.
We booked two days for the shoot, and I don't think we went over one and a half.
Oh, not even.
We were, like, maybe nine hours of shooting.
Absolutely wild.
Actually super good.
Yeah.
Very difficult to do with any form of production.
Yeah, and the number of moving parts there were in that mess.
And this was David.
This was David being an absolute f***ing mad lad.
David, I didn't intend, well, I thought of it as we got to the point in the script, but
David was already way ahead of me.
The idea of actually shooting TechLinked there.
Oh, yeah.
On the janky green screen.
That's not me.
The thing I was going to say before we started, and you stopped me because you're like, save
for the show, was that the interwoven storylines was crazy, and, like, easily my favorite part.
You've got WAN show seeding interest.
You've got the TechLinked seeding interest.
You've got the prank at the end.
Everyone's like, what is this?
That's a float plane exclusive, by the way.
And then that turns into a float plane exclusive.
Like, this one video, it's just, like, morphed into so many different content pieces.
There's so much.
So sick.
Like, ah.
There's so many layers to it.
Yeah, there's a short circuit.
That was shot in the hot tub.
Yeah, by the two jinks.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I forgot about that, but totally.
Yeah, yeah, I knew about that.
That's, yeah, so many different things.
Oh, I freaking love it.
Porto asks, this is in the float plane chat, did you guys had to talk with the neighbors?
So, I did see one of our old neighbors.
You remember our neighbor on the one side, who we had, I felt like, a pretty cordial relationship
with until, I think she's a bit of a, like, vegetation enthusiast.
Oh.
And we had an arrangement, me and Luke, where his rent was significantly subsidized by his
upkeep of the property.
Yeah, totally.
Upkeep of the property that he just didn't do.
They kept the internet going.
Yeah.
The state of our lawn, the state of our lawn was the straw, and that's what it looked like.
It looked like straw, was the straw that broke the camel's back and was what made the neighbors
ultimately come and complain to the city and get us kicked out.
See, I just, I don't believe in short lawns because it's not good for the environment,
it's not good for the insects, which are good for the whole, like, ecological system.
How do you explain the parts of it that were so short they were dirt?
You want to make space for new plants to grow.
So I saw that neighbor over the fence, and I was in the middle of a take or something,
but she just, like...
I don't want to have anything to do with you.
Yeah, yeah, she didn't say hi or anything, so I'm like, all right, yeah, I guess you didn't miss us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's okay.
I mean, realistically, we were only in there for probably about 80 hours, like a little over three days.
Did you ever tell her that I was supposed to upkeep the property?
I don't think so.
Interesting.
Because she was really good friends with me.
Yeah.
The whole time.
All right.
I, like, helped her with something in her house one time.
I helped her move things in and out all the time.
Like, we were actually...
We were good.
I thought we were good, too, until it was actually her daughter that, like, came to the door and gave me a hard time about it.
Interesting.
So I'm not 100% convinced, actually, that she ever had a problem.
Because she might have just, like, not recognized you, to be honest.
Yeah, that's possible.
It's been a long time, and if she had no primer that you were supposed to be there, why would she think it was actually...
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
The thing I was most worried about with the neighbors was there was six or seven days where we had moving trucks.
And it's a compact street, and there's no parking spot.
So we would just double park this moving truck from different companies because there was different people that were involved.
And people would...
People were really nice, which I was grateful for.
But I could tell by, like, the sixth or seventh day of a moving truck, neighbors were starting to get curious about what was going on.
Yeah.
Nothing.
They'll go and they'll check, and there'll be nothing.
Everything's gone.
Everything's clean.
The perfect crime.
Man, and some of the stuff we did was just...
Could have caused an immediate call to the city.
Like, that shot we have of all the cars in the back alley.
I totally forgot about that.
How did you do that?
How was that okay?
We lucked out.
Mm-hmm.
So hard.
David wasn't even coordinating it.
He was in one of the cars, and I wasn't thinking about this at all.
I was like, hey...
It was Andrew shooting at that point, I think, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, hey, Andrew, you know what?
And people were kind of, like, pulling in from both sides.
I was like, Andrew, maybe get, like, a pan shot.
I didn't mean immediately.
I just meant maybe get, like, a pan shot of all the cars, because we wanted it to feel
like the whole alley was packed.
And it did, didn't it?
Yeah.
In the shot.
So he just starts doing it immediately.
And it just happened that everyone, like, stopped, right?
As he, like, clicked in right at the right time.
Yeah!
I was like, David, I don't think we need to do another take.
Everyone get out of here.
It was so lucky, too, because I was really getting frustrated.
I was like, I need five people in cars.
I need six people in cars.
I need cars right now.
And no one was moving.
I was like, oh, goodness gracious.
And then eventually we got, like, four people that were there.
But then all the labs people rolled up just as we were doing it.
And so all of a sudden we have, like, eight or nine cars packed in there.
And it was perfect.
Whose car had been keyed recently?
Colin.
Colin.
So we were able to get that key shot?
Okay.
The amount of convincing that happened for the video, too.
I don't know if we want to even say who it was, but a certain news organization reached
out asking for comment.
Okay.
That's wild.
This is really funny.
That's crazy.
Okay.
This is funny.
Hold on a second.
I'm not going to say who it's from, but I will say that this is a serious...
And then while you look that up, if I remember correctly, there's a whole thread on the forum
about how everyone was mind blown that you guys keyed a car for the video.
Yeah.
There was a few people that were like, oh, you can see if you look frame by frame that
it's freaky.
It did get pointed out, but a lot of people were convinced.
No, Andrew, man, he worked the camera.
We worked the angle.
So good.
Okay.
So this is the email sent to me and our CEO.
Yeah.
Hey, guys.
Sorry to be shooting you a work email on Easter Sunday.
Saw this super odd post on threads from your account and wanted to reach out to confirm
whether it's real or a joke.
I've attached a screenshot.
And it's just...
And it's that one that's like, guess who's moving?
You!
Notice of eviction.
Dear something of Linus Media Group, we regret to inform you due to your continued failure
to make mortgage payments, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It was just part of this.
It was part of the whole April Fool's bit.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I recognize the meme.
Yeah.
I love that.
You know what?
No, I think this might identify the outlet.
So I'm not going to...
I'm not going to...
Yeah.
I think my favorite fakeout was there was a brand that reached out and was like,
oh, can we get your new address?
We need to send some stuff to you.
And it was like...
No, I didn't hear that.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Cool that they still wanted to support.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, even though I...
You know, we had our accountants looking up how to commit tax...
Tax fraud or whatever.
And I outright said that, you know, sponsors weren't going to get stuff back.
They're like, yeah, we've been paid before.
Yeah, sure.
It should be fine.
He's good for it.
They'll figure it out.
He couldn't go to the same country as P. Diddy.
It's true.
I don't have a private plane.
It's the only.
It's the only.
Yeah.
Just a vision room.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You're like...
You're like...
Raising up into the thing.
That...
I broke at that moment.
You know what's really funny is I screwed up the take.
I had my eyes closed.
I didn't see shit.
Oh, my God.
That's really funny.
I was like, hey, David, I think we got to redo that take because I had my eyes closed.
It was so good.
And then we're like, you know what?
No, that's actually...
It's kind of funny.
Yeah, it's kind of funnier.
Oh, man.
The behind the scenes is over an hour.
And even though I was there for almost all of it, I...
Almost all of the actual shooting of the behind the scenes.
I wasn't there for a lot of the setup because I was on vacation.
I come in jet-lagged as heck.
Kind of with a little bit of trepidation.
No offense.
No offense.
Understandably.
Little bit of trepidation.
This is a major, major investment.
One that we have absolutely no hope whatsoever of recouping any of our costs from.
Straight up tax write-off.
Oh, man.
Straight up tax write-off.
You beat me to it.
We lost so much money on this production.
Oh, yeah.
All the money.
And so I'm coming into this shoot going, okay, you know, we had a good script review.
I think everything's probably in pretty good shape.
I think it's in capable hands.
But you never know.
Well, it's my first big project.
And it was enormous.
Yes.
Yes.
So there's so many moving pieces and so much that could go wrong.
And I walked in the door.
And I had not intended for it to be in the cut of the YouTube video when I walk in the
door and I just lose it, right?
Because it was the intention was for me to be more like in my just like, you know, a**hole
character, right?
But when I saw the rough cut for review and I saw that they had left it in, I went, you
know what?
It kind of it kind of works.
But that was it.
I hadn't seen it yet.
That was that was the moment I walked in the door.
It was like, okay, because I saw all the editors there.
Dude, the the four person desks.
That's so funny.
Like, I just I can't.
That's all David.
The bunk desk.
That was so funny.
I did and like how it's actually efficient, sort of.
And yeah, you get a lot of people like, hold on a second.
This this kind of works.
Yeah.
And you're like, why is this like, why does this work in my head?
This shouldn't work at all.
Why am I sort of OK with this, but also not?
And then watching people like I think you had to like crawl over someone.
It's just so good.
It's so good.
I want to clarify that one wasn't my idea.
And it's it's one of those things that it's like I had so many meetings and like brainstorm
sessions that it's such a mishmash of a million ideas.
So I don't want to take credit for too much, but I'll take credit for some of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, absolutely a team effort.
Was it Justin who put together the like bunk desks and like.
So that was so early on, I recruited logistics in order to make things possible.
And I'm someone that doesn't like to ask for help.
I'm a I just want to do it myself.
I'll put in the legwork.
This was too much.
But it was impossible.
So this was a good it was a great exercise for me because I had to communicate with people
and be like, OK, I need help.
And so they were really good about finding smart solutions.
Like I remember going to Justin and be like, OK, I need this bunk desk for socials to sit
in.
He's like, just use the shelf.
And I was like, I was like, oh, yeah, OK.
Yeah.
When I saw that, I was like, oh, smart.
That was really funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the same with the desks.
I had given him a drawing of like, oh, here's kind of like what I had in mind.
And he and then logistics.
I think Alex was like, can we just put a desk on top of another desk?
I was like, yeah.
OK, sure.
All right.
The Informed Retreat asks, the only thing I'm trying to figure out is, does Gary actually
like ARK at all?
Obviously, he's holding Intel stock.
But Linus, can you comment?
Don't read too much into a joke.
There is knowing Gary.
Do you guys have any idea what his background is?
The guy's the guy's ethical.
There's no way he's holding Intel stock and boosting ARK.
What Gary is an enthusiast for is exciting, innovative new technology.
That's why the guy buys dumb stuff like QuadFX.
That's why he buys into and daily drives stuff like ARK so that he was there.
If it takes off, he was there before it took off.
He's an early adopter to a fault, right?
His personal computer is like super sick.
Yeah, of course it is.
It's not necessary.
Yeah, it's Gary.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's the bill.
He likes the idea of there being another competitor in the GPU space.
And so should you.
And to be clear, when I say his personal computer is super sick, I don't mean he just like bought
expensive parts and put it in a box.
It's like very artfully done and took some craftsmanship.
If I remember correctly, it's hardline water cooled.
It's very nice.
It's been a long time since I've seen it, but it's very nice.
Yeah.
Man, there's honestly, there's like there's so much.
That we could talk about.
Oh, man.
There's a lot of jokes that did not make it into the YouTube video or because because the
script was kind of rough.
Like there's scripted parts, but then there's parts of the script that just say, crawl around
on, you know, the people in this area and interact with them a little bit.
Right.
And so, man, we had.
Did the line about the clothes being red because of the blood of the people, the underpaid
people who were making them.
Did that make it into the cut?
The blood making the shirt red didn't make it in, but it did.
I think it was Sarah's blood, though.
Oh, no, that's a separate thing.
Sarah's blood is on the merch shirt.
And we're like, why is there blood on this shirt?
Oh, because I put blood, sweat, and tears.
Okay.
Got it.
Got it.
Got it.
Got it.
Yeah.
Anyway, there's some stuff that definitely didn't make it in.
The energy was.
It was great.
Was incredible.
Yeah.
Just you could tell people it's the kind of thing that feels like a chore in the moment
or like as you're getting ready for it.
But then you do it and then it's over and you look back on it and you're like, I'm glad
I'm glad I participated in that.
Type two fun.
I can't.
The best kind of fun.
I couldn't believe the commitment to the bit.
When I got out to the backyard, found out that the hot tub heater doesn't work.
And Jake Belavance.
Wait, it actually didn't?
It works, but it takes like 24 hours plus of heating.
And I couldn't leave it overnight because I'm not watching it.
And so every hour the day before and every hour that morning, I got there like three hours
early to put it in to give it a chance, but it made no difference.
It was freezing cold.
It was freaking cold.
And it was actively raining, wasn't it?
And the fact that Jake Belavance and Jake Tyvee were like, Bell was in there a long time.
A long time.
Because he was in there from when we shot the LTT, when we shot that portion of it.
I didn't realize they were separate.
That makes sense.
Until Jake Tyvee arrived and got in with them.
And then shot that entire short circuit video.
Oh, man.
I couldn't believe it.
And the poor editors, they were there almost all day on their buckets.
Oh, they weren't sitting on buckets.
They were sitting on the ground.
Oh, right, right.
Their desk was made of buckets.
Their desk was made of buckets.
Yeah, I got a pretty good idea of what the vibe was going to be like when David messaged
the general chat.
And he goes, hey, does anyone have any camping chairs or five-gallon buckets?
I need as many as I can get.
It wasn't the whip and pillory that tipped you off?
I didn't see that.
Fun fact, that riding crop that Dennis is using to hit Gary with during the torture scene.
We already had that?
Yeah.
Create a warehouse.
That's some upcoming merch.
Our new lineup.
Oh, my.
It was actually an inspiration piece for the ultimate cat teaser.
Yeah, because I had told those guys I wanted the quality to be kind of similar to like a leather-wrapped riding crop.
However, that one is clearly for play.
I had meant more like an actual riding crop.
You know the like type of people when you ask for that and they don't go to like Stampede.
They go to a slightly different organization to acquire one.
Yeah.
It's like, hmm.
Anywho.
Because we have like literally down the road.
Yeah.
There's a shop.
You could buy an actual one for horses.
I know.
I know.
Pretty cool.
Yeah.
Now that it's over.
Are you ready for the next one?
Oh, I thought we weren't doing another one.
We're never doing April Fool's again.
That is true.
April Fool's.
So did you, was it worth it?
It was definitely worth it.
And I had a good time doing it.
I was very exhausted.
I'm still like kind of recovering, but I go on vacation next week.
So it's perfect timing.
But yeah, it was a thrill.
This is kind of the projects, the kind of projects I want to do.
So I'm, I was very happy to be doing it.
All right.
Cool.
All right.
Thanks, David.
Appreciate you sticking around with us for, for a pretty late day for one.
Oh, wait, no, sorry.
Hold on.
I can't let you go just yet.
Speaking of you being tired.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's, we have some, I forgot we had some merch messages pertaining to this.
Robert L asks, this year's April Fool's video was probably top three for me.
Uh, how far out do you start planning, writing and shooting the April Fool's videos?
Well, we started next year's.
So that gives you an indication.
Uh, I was brought in to this one a few months ago, uh, and there'd already been the idea.
Uh, and I was kind of given like, Hey, write a script and, or come up with ideas and we'll
talk to Linus and stuff.
So it's been probably three ish months that has really been sort of in progress.
And then the last three weeks here for me have been 100% dedicated to this, um, maybe
like 90% of other stuff to do, but, um, so it's three months of planning kind of going
and then three, four weeks of like full tilt making it happen.
I'm trying to see here when we asked the tenants, um, if they were chill with it, uh,
November 20th was when we, was when we pivoted because we had originally planned something
else and we realized that it was not going to be possible to execute in time.
I think I was still a shooter at that point.
Yep.
So that was, that was our initial outreach.
Um, oh no, that wasn't even initial outreach.
That was like Yvonne connecting everyone to talk about it in more detail.
Uh, what did Ludwig just do?
What did Ludwig just do?
Oh no.
Oh no.
We have a curse.
Ludwig video released during WAN show.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What is this?
Yeah, what did he do?
What is this about?
Is this, is this, is this something to, Ludwig video just dropped.
Okay, hold on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Why is everyone talking about this?
I don't see it.
Oh no.
Stop doing this.
Emergency stream.
Is that it?
That's live right now.
I don't think so.
Oh, okay.
They're confused.
Floatplane notification.
You mean our Ludwig video?
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh.
Oh, the Ludwig video is out.
Oh.
Okay.
Well, that's probably bad timing.
Uh, anywho.
Well, let's continue with WAN show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, floaters are, floaters have got a lot of content to watch.
Okay.
Sorry.
Let me just see if there's a couple of other.
I love you guys calling them floaters is.
Aaron asks, the April Fool's joke seemed like a lot of work.
What was the most difficult thing?
The most difficult stunt to pull off?
I think it's the people.
I think there's some departments that were like super on board and there's some that I
had to make it just so many accommodations for, uh, and I had to make a lot of my work
was making sure that they could arrive at the house and start working, um, because they
were more concerned with making sure that they weren't losing productivity.
Uh, and so.
Because some deadlines are not even, they're not self-imposed.
Yeah.
They're not management imposed.
They're like government imposed.
So I'm sure accounting had some concerns about like hitting deadlines.
Well, they, they weren't too bad.
I don't want to name the department.
I'm not, I don't want to do that.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
But I think, um, but I think it's getting the people there is the hardest part.
There's no like single prop that was super hard.
Um, it's just like timing the people having it all work out.
And I think like, I just, we got so lucky that everything was lining up, uh, and there
was no huge issues.
And it was like spitting rain sometimes, but it didn't rain too much.
And the times we really needed to be outside and walking around, it let up and like, oh,
there was, there was a lot that went right.
It kind of reminded me of some of those old, uh, like production ad production shoots way
back in the day for like Asus and funk and stuff like that, where like, oh yeah, I'm sure
it had started.
If the wind had picked up like this 20 minutes earlier, we wouldn't have gotten the shoot
done.
If the, if the, if the water seal had broken on the camera, you know, five minutes earlier,
we wouldn't have finished getting the shoot and like, just, it reminded me of the old
days in more ways than one.
Uh, all right.
Let me see if there's, uh, any other ones here.
The old days, as far as I can tell, we have fairly diligently after the fact labeled all of
the April fool's video with April fool's joke at the beginning of the title.
So if you want to look up our old videos, it's actually pretty easy to do.
I wanted to look at our 2013 one and found that a lot of them are, are labeled April fool's
2016, April fool's joke.
Well, Luke, do you know why?
No, because we had to, because too many people believed it was actually causing problems.
And before you guys say, Hey, um, Oh yes.
Oh yeah.
We'll do that right away.
Uh, before you guys say, they're, they're probably trolls, Linus, you're falling for
the, no, you have no idea.
I can tell the difference after we labeled it April fool's.
This, this should tell you after we labeled it April fool's, the problem went away, but
a significant number of our previous April fool's have needed the label sooner rather
than later, or it's been a real problem.
That's pretty funny.
Yeah.
I, I just, I don't really know what to, I don't really know what to say other than I
think it was at George Carlin who famously said, think of an average person.
Half of people are dumber than that.
I, I still, I still love the fractal design R4 unboxing April fool's.
It's just like, I, I adore this type of humor.
Was it your idea to just leave it there for 11 minutes?
Yeah.
Because back then, I hear we'll go to Luke's laptop.
You need 10 minute videos, right?
Uh, no, back, back then, that was the typical length of our videos.
And, uh, there was no preview like that.
There was no thumbnail preview or, um, like, uh, like a timeline preview.
That's the one.
So the video was just, um, yeah, 10 minutes of it just sitting in the yard.
So this was, I think the third time I had unboxed this case.
Yeah.
The first time I unboxed it again.
So the second time I unboxed it was because I forgot.
Yes.
I legitimately made an entire new unboxing about the Define R4, not realizing I had already
done it.
You know, you've unboxed too many things when.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, you drop it.
Yeah.
I just, I just find this so funny.
Uh, hmm.
I don't even know what I'm saying.
I watched the server room on fire one.
That one's not funny.
Yeah.
I, I, cause my kids asked if we had ever done a prank on our staff for April fools.
And that one, if I recall correctly, you guys didn't know, didn't know, but like figured
it out, I guess, uh, pretty quickly.
Why?
It was the reactions like really bad.
Yeah.
It's just, it just like, isn't funny.
And the fire pole one is not very good, but I'd say the rest of the fire pole meme lived
for far too long.
Luke, the fire pole meme is still alive.
Still alive.
Still alive.
David, can you tell us when was the last sighting of the fire pole?
It's in the April fools video.
Okay.
People kept saying this.
I didn't see it.
It's very short.
I'll show you.
If you were watching that video, there's a 11 more minutes of nothing other than that
case just sitting in the grass.
It's, it's amazing.
That's my type of April fools.
Yeah.
I love that kind of stuff.
Um, so hold on.
Got ads.
What is this ad?
Okay.
So here's a, here's a video.
Oh, look, we've got David just floating here.
I love it.
Hello.
Look at that's what David.
Um.
He looks like a suggested video.
I get to.
I'd click on it.
Click on me.
Click on me, please.
I get credit for this one.
Go Linus.
Uh, but going out my executive exit.
Oh, wait.
No, no, no.
That's not the one.
Let's go a little bit further.
Uh, hold on.
Wait for it.
Where did I go?
Oh, yeah.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Going out my executive exit.
Okay.
This is David.
The executive exit just like out the window so I don't have to see everyone.
I totally ripped that.
Oh.
Did you see it?
Did you see it?
I didn't like put together.
It was supposed to be the fire pole.
I thought it was just like a drain pipe or something.
So I go out and.
That's really funny, actually.
Dude, this video is worth watching at minimum five times.
Yeah, I didn't really think about watching it again, but I feel like I have to.
There are, especially for someone who actually worked out of this office, it is so full of inside jokes and references to the old days and random weird little Easter eggs and props.
I don't think that if you gave me six months to do it on my own, right?
Like this is not something that could have been done in one mind.
It means many minds.
I couldn't have come up with this many references and I worked there the whole time.
Yeah.
Like I, yeah, it's absolutely brilliant.
People are like, whoa, I missed that.
Someone said, why didn't you watch on a float plane?
Which is a pretty good question.
That is a good question.
Yeah.
The reason is because I didn't have another float plane window.
Oh no, I did have another float plane window open.
Okay, I usually don't have a second float plane window open and then I always screw up and I go somewhere else.
It takes away my chat.
And there's a solution to that.
There's a very easy solution to that.
But I just am in the habit of not browsing float plane because I always do it and then it closes my chat.
Yeah.
I just wanted to razz you.
Yeah.
Oh man.
So yeah, float plane.
If you are not subscribed on float plane, now is the time to do it.
There's a couple of reasons for that.
One is that pricing is actually going up in a little while.
I've heard about this.
But because of our commitment to honoring our agreements, anyone who subscribes at old pricing will be grandfathered in at that pricing.
That's cool.
Because I haven't confirmed we can do that yet.
So we'll figure it out.
No, they have to be.
Okay.
Yeah, it has to be.
This is the way.
Sick.
Yep.
Anyway, so thanks.
Yeah.
Minus lead development.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure it'll be fine.
We already have a grandfathering system.
I just don't know about extending it to multiple tiers, but we'll figure it out.
So we'll make it work.
And the other reason is that it is full of amazing content right now.
They did spring break on float plane, which involved a whole bunch of exclusives.
So we've got labs hide and seek.
We've got extras from the bidet shoot with Ludwig.
We've got Tanner revisiting Black Lab computers.
He went back for a six month update to see what it looks like now.
There was the departmental paper airplane battle.
Which I totally won.
Don't bother checking.
Extras from the world's biggest gaming screen.
And of course, the hour and a half long behind the scenes that the reviews are in and people
are loving.
It's good.
It has an infinity like dislike ratio.
I was pretty upset at you in the video because you keep being like, the behind the scenes
is going to be better than video.
And I was like, screw you.
The video's going to be great.
But you're right.
The behind the scenes is better.
Well, it's not.
I didn't mean that in like an insulting way.
I know.
I just meant there was so much depth to everything that was going on that there was absolutely
no possible way that it could be absorbed in a YouTube video length.
There was no possible way.
So the behind the scenes has all this additional context and all this additional interaction.
You get to see, you know, just everyone kind of goofing around like the energy on the shoot
was so positive.
It's so long.
That I haven't had time to watch it, but I have literally marked out time to watch it
tomorrow.
I'm genuinely quite excited.
I think the best review of it that I saw was someone saying I clicked it without checking
the timestamp and then didn't check how long I'd been watching and I was an hour and 15
minutes into it.
That's a good review.
That's a good review.
That's an extreme.
They watched a movie.
Yeah.
So kudos to the social team for putting that together.
And of course the editing team helps by kind of earmarking bits that don't make the cut,
but they, but they do go into the behind the scenes and oh yeah, I got to give credit
to Sammy for just being an absolute unit because while, you know, Andrew did awesome, you know,
getting the real video shot, the YouTube video shot, when Andrew could turn off his camera
and take a break.
I mean, Sammy had to keep rolling.
Um, yeah, anyway, now's a really good time to get subscribed over on float plane.
We've got a ton of really great content over there.
And of course the entire back catalog as well.
All right.
I think that was it for merch messages that were explicitly directed at David.
Oh, okay.
Now that we started acknowledging them, a couple more of them came in.
Um, okay, no, no.
Okay.
No, I think, I think you're good.
I think you're good, David.
I think that I wanted to ask chat question.
Cause I haven't seen very many comments.
One about my favorite joke in the entire video, which is the Mad Max joke where a hundred
people enter one person gets rich and I'm very disappointed.
No one has commented about that.
Cause I think that's a brilliant joke.
Oh, I thought it was hilarious.
Cause it's one of those things I was a little worried about because, you know, I mean, you
know how red it can be, uh, the, the fact that the fact that actors have to have it in
their contract that they can't like be mean as part of their character because then fans
might not like them anymore.
They might think they're mean, like that kind of thing.
The fact that that has to exist.
I mean, George Carlin once did a bit about how, you know, okay, whatever.
We've talked about this already.
Um, but that was one of those lines that honestly, I read it.
That's David's line.
That's not my line.
Um, I read it and I went, can I trust the audience to be smart enough to know that this
is a line I am playing a character and I wasn't sure, but I thought it was so funny and I thought
it was so worth it.
Yeah.
That was one in, before it got to you, I was told, I don't think people will get that.
You should cut it.
And I was like, I will not, I will fight.
It has to make it.
One of the things that I liked about that was even if you didn't get it from like a
Mad Max reference, it's still funny.
Yeah.
It still works.
Yeah.
So, and it's just more funny if you get the reference.
The other thing I was wondering too, I wish we had a tracker, but we, we, we had that PS5,
uh, jailbreaking joke that has a link in the description.
Cause we faked, you know, the, the, the, the, the UI to make it look like we had a hacked
PS5.
And if you click the link, it's a Rick roll.
And I really wish I could know how many people click that link with, Oh, did we not use a track
to your, I didn't know that was a thing.
We have one shit.
If you ever want something like that in the future, just let me know.
Okay.
We, we have our own set up for sponsors.
Chat.
Some of you guys can let me know what, uh, how many people clicked on it.
Clear Lashers says I clicked that screen.
That's all I wanted to know.
There's a lot of people saying they clicked it.
That's awesome.
Hate and love you clicked it.
I clicked it.
Clicked it.
Yeah.
And Twitch chat.
Yeah.
I mean, well, those guys are idiots.
So I'm, I love you Twitch.
I love you Twitch chat.
I love you Twitch chat.
Watch ads.
Watch ads.
Um, Colton, Colton turned the ads back on.
That's why the ads are back on.
Ah, so I remember I kept turning them off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Colton turned them on.
He told me not to touch it anymore.
Okay.
All right.
Fine, buddy.
So good.
All right.
All right.
Thank you so much for hanging around late today, David.
My pleasure.
Thank you so much for having me.
All right.
Take care.
See ya.
Bye.
Bye.
Thank you.
All right.
Moving on to your regularly scheduled programming.
Oh, wait.
Are you going to?
No, before we do that, we got to talk about our collaboration.
I was just going to say, are you going to suit up?
Yeah, dog.
Yeah.
You guys might have noticed.
There's two different sizes in there.
Oh, okay.
Hold on.
I'll make sure I get the right size then.
I don't remember.
Actually, this seems like the kind of thing that David would want.
Hey, David.
Yeah?
Before you wander off.
Yeah?
Let me just see if I have your size here.
I think you'd be into this.
Okay.
We got one extra.
Are you a medium or a large?
Probably large these days.
No.
I need a medium.
Womp womp.
Okay.
All right.
I'm ready for my pecs chat.
Check this out.
Check this out.
We heard from the Terry Fox Foundation, who we have never actually collaborated with,
even though we've talked about Terry a little bit on the show before.
And basically, the extent of it is that they were like, hey, it would be super chill
if you guys wore the shirts that we're doing this year.
And then there's a...
Hold on.
There's a message inside here.
Ah!
Ah!
Here it is.
That I just wanted to read.
Actually, here.
Luke, do you want to read this?
Yeah.
Because I'm probably going to cry if I do it.
So I'm just going to change into my shirt.
I'm going to cry.
All right.
I'm going to throw mine on.
Thanks, David.
It would be a really funny combination of you flexing in the shirt, him crying, and I'm
reading out the note.
I would find that very entertaining.
Thank you for the shirt.
Yeah.
The Terry Fox Foundation.
Terry's courage and determination to always keep going, no matter what, continues to inspire
millions of Canadians 44 years after his iconic Marathon of Hope.
The Terry Fox Foundation is kicking off the 2024 Terry Fox Run by once again teaming up
with Ryan Reynolds to launch a limited edition shirt that features the tagline, no matter what,
as a reminder of Terry's strength, persistence, and commitment to fundraise for cancer research.
Canadians can now order the limited edition shirt at terryfox.org, with all proceeds supporting
critical cancer research in Canada.
We encourage you to share a photo wearing the shirt alongside a caption outlining how
you'll honor Terry's dream of a world without cancer.
Tagging at Terry Fox Foundation and hashtag no matter what.
On April 12th, the same day that Terry began his Marathon of Hope in 1980, Canadians will
be able to register and begin fundraising for this year's Terry Fox Run, which will take
place on Sunday, September 15th, 2024.
Thank you so much for your support.
Absolute Chad.
How did I read that?
I don't know properly.
I don't know.
It's an important message.
Apparently.
Apparently you got another gear, man.
So guys, go check that out.
We're gonna throw...
Dan, do you mind throwing some links in the chat for everyone?
And we'll throw that in the video description.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, there was...
I think this was supposed to go out next week, but registration for the Fox Run will
open on April 12th.
Oh, okay.
Did we jump the gun?
I think so.
I'll throw some messages.
I thought we were late.
We ended up being early.
Yeah.
Well, you know what?
We can give it another shout out next week.
Yeah, we're gonna get you guys a reminder next week, okay?
So let's...
Dan, do you mind actually making a note of that as well to make sure that we get a reminder
in there next week?
Can they buy the shirt now, though?
I am unsure.
There's already people in Flippling chat saying they're donating already.
Okay.
Great.
Well, you can always just donate.
Like, that's cool, too.
Because, like, the shirts...
I mean, you know, it's no LTT shirt, but...
Yeah, it's a cool shirt, but realistically, what they need is not shirt sales.
What they need is money.
Yeah.
The Terry Fox Foundation has done absolutely incredible work over the last four and a half
decades in the fight against cancer.
And you know what?
F*** cancer.
Let me just see.
I do like...
Both the shirts are cool, but your long sleeve having the writing on the arm is, like, pretty
sweet.
There we go.
I think it's that way.
Yeah, yeah.
No matter what, let's go!
That's pretty cool.
All right.
So, here it is.
Just head on over to Ways to Give over here.
You can donate once.
You can donate monthly.
Yeah.
Absolutely incredible.
Incredible organization.
Do they...
All right.
Thanks, Dan.
Oh, show off the back of the shirt.
Hold on.
What's on the back?
There is writing on the back.
Oh, yeah.
There we go.
Okay.
Hold on.
You want to read it for me?
No matter the distance, no matter the obstacles, no matter the journey, no matter the odds,
no matter what, Terry Fox run for cancer research.
All right.
Cool.
Yeah.
Ah!
Um, okay.
Should we jump right into the show?
Yes.
Oh, what do you want to do?
Should we do...
Should we do AI as just underpaid foreigners?
Yeah.
Yeah, let's do it.
All right, let's do it.
Amazon.
Amazon will be phasing out its cashierless checkout system called Just Walk Out, which
launched in 2016.
You may remember that was one of my first big controversies, actually.
It might have been the first big one.
I think that was the first time I was ever covered in mainstream news.
Who never talks about me unless it's something negative.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, it launched in 2016.
We went and checked out the Amazon Go store, which, uh, was in Seattle and was the very,
very first prototype of that.
Um, it was available at 27 of their 44 Amazon Fresh Grocery stores.
And the idea was that it was supposed to allow customers to scan in at the door, then have
the items that they pick up tallied and automatically rung up by a machine vision system using cameras
and sensors.
Uh, my understanding was it was more than just cameras.
Like there were weight sensors on, on the shelves and stuff like that.
However, it was recently revealed that the system was actually heavily dependent on a
large team of over a thousand overseas workers based mostly in India.
Now, when I say underpaid, I'm sure that Amazon was above the legal limit in India, but what
I will say is that, you know, probably they weren't paid that much compared to Amazon's
balance sheet.
If you are interested in this, uh, there's a lot of coverage on these groups and it's like
really bad.
Uh, so Amazon claim, I mean, I'm sure they'd rather be working on this than, you know,
training like gore algorithms or whatever, which is another thing that they do.
Amazon mechanical Turk.
I'll jump over to my screen really quick.
Oh no, what is this?
They definitely don't just, uh, work for the, you know, Amazon walk-in stores.
This is a service that you can get from Amazon for a global on-demand 24 seven workforce.
Did you know you can hire people?
What the fuck does Amazon mechanical Turk mean?
I don't know.
Am I missing something here?
I don't know.
No, seriously though.
What does mechanical Turk mean?
Like, like what, what, what is the, what is the, what is this branding?
MTurk offers developers access to a diverse on-demand workforce through a flexible user interface,
uh, or direct integration with a simple API.
Hold on a second.
Can I just say that that use of the word diverse is quite possibly the most toxic that I have
ever encountered ever.
I wonder if they count it in like, in their like company diversification.
Organizations can harness the power of crowdsourcing via MTurk for a range of use cases such as micro
work, human insights, and machine learning development.
So cool, dude.
So Amazon claimed that these workers were mostly tasked with improving its machine learning
algorithms by annotating training footage.
Yes.
Um, and that is totally a thing.
That doesn't mean that AI is just low wage workers from overseas.
Uh, okay.
Apparently mechanical Turk was a, I remember this cause I looked it up when I first heard
about this mechanical Turk was a, a chess playing robot, a fake chess playing robot.
Okay.
Yeah.
I still probably wouldn't have gone with that.
Oh yeah, definitely not for sure.
Cool.
Yeah.
Um, anyway, so that is, that is a real thing.
It's a fraudulent chess machine.
That makes it actually genuinely funnier to me.
Sorry.
The mechanical Turk also known as the, uh, automaton chess player, uh, or simply the
Turk was a fraudulent chess playing machine constructed in 1770, which appeared to be
able to play a strong game of chess against a human opponent for it.
For 84 years, it was exhibited on various tours.
The machine survived and continued giving occasional exhibitions until 1854 when a fire swept through
the museum where it was kept destroying the machine.
Afterwards, articles were published by a son of the machine's owner, revealing its secrets
to the public that it was an elaborate hoax.
Imagine naming part of your company.
It's like LTT's new product distributed fraud.
And we'll, we'll, we'll use the diverse people.
I love how the third benefit of mechanical Turk is reduced cost.
Yeah.
Oh, they talk about how great the, the team is and then they're like, reduce cost.
Oh, okay.
So anyway, hold on, hold on.
Okay.
So back to, back to that, just because you are using humans to validate the data, that
does not mean that it's not machine learning.
It can still be machine learning.
Machine learning needs to be reinforced and you can't just have another machine reinforce
the other machine.
You actually have to have humans go in and say, okay, no, no, that was, that was a sandwich.
Uh, that was not a wrap, right?
Um, okay.
Sorry.
People are, people are yelling at me to read the next paragraph.
Uh, oh no.
So, and I, I skimmed it.
Drac Ryu says, wait, is this Amazon's April Fool's joke?
No, this thing has been around for quite a while.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, the part that I think they want me to read, cause people are saying the next
paragraph, other people are saying the third paragraph.
I think it's the third one.
Uh, the Turk was in fact a mechanical illusion that allowed a human chess master hiding inside to
operate the machine.
So it's a, it's a hidden person inside of a thing that you think is a machine.
So it got too real here.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think they're being like super literal or like, this is an AI program that is actually
a bunch of people.
The soil is made out of people.
All right.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
It's not quite that.
Well, I don't know anything about the like working conditions or whatever, but anyway,
this is, this is a hundred percent still machine learning.
The fact that 30% of them worked without human intervention is, is something, um, but that's
more like probably where they expected to be within a few months of launch, not where
they expected to be eight years on from the launch.
Uh, according to a report by the information around 70% of transactions required the intervention,
intervention or assistance of an unseen offsite employee.
As of 2022, this apparently sometimes resulted in customers waiting hours before receiving
a receipt.
That makes sense.
Amazon will, however, continue with another cashierless feature that it's been experimenting
with since 2020 dash carts, which are a combination of shopping cart slash self checkout.
Uh, this is similar to another odd case discovered in December when a supposedly AI powered drive
through Presto automation, which also needed, uh, overseas workers to step in 70% of the
time, according to a filing with the sec.
Oh, okay.
Um, so our discussion question is, um, what is the value of making it feel like something
is totally automated, even when it actually still takes a lot of human work to pull off?
Uh, one thing not mentioned in our notes here is apparently, uh, one of the other issues
was that however, whatever labor they were saving in cashiers, um, they were more than paying
for in the army of people that had to go around and make sure that all of the products were
perfectly faced so that the cameras could tell what people were taking off the shelves.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
You know what?
I mean, I made a video about it because I legitimately thought it was really cool.
It seemed, I, I expressed at the time some doubts about the, the viability of it.
I was like, wow, it's kind of amazing that they can do this because like, uh, I don't
see like, you know, machine vision indicators of any, there's, they don't have like a dot
code on it that, you know, whatever angle it can kind of catch a glimpse of and, and,
and be sure.
Like I was, I was really impressed, but it turns out I got bamboozled.
It turns out mechanical Turk worker number 47,282 was like, I'm going to charge this guy.
Yeah.
X amount of dollars.
Yeah.
While making a cent.
Speaking of which mechanical Turk fees, the minimum fee is one cent per assignment.
Okay.
Well that tells you everything you need to know about how much people are being paid because
unless they can do, it'll be 700 assignments per hour.
Amazon's definitely taking some.
No, I just hold on, hold on.
No, no, I know.
But that's not the math.
And that's also minimum fee.
I know.
That's not the math though.
The math is that unless a worker can do 700 assignments per minute, which would be our,
per hour rather, which would work out to what, 11 per, uh, 11 per second.
Oh no, hold on.
I'm not, I can't math, math me, help me.
700.
Let's say, let's say, let's say 600.
Let's say we're aiming for $10 an hour.
Okay.
So they've got to do, they've got to do what?
A hundred every six minutes.
No, a thousand every six, a thousand every six minutes.
Okay.
Hold on.
One cent.
Oh my God.
So that's a thousand things.
So they've got to do a hundred every six minutes.
Right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So 10 a second.
So about 10 a second.
Is that right?
I don't know.
No.
Hold on.
I hate, can time be metric, please?
Okay.
Uh, a hundred.
We should, we should.
Divided by 60.
We should hire mechanical.
Here we go.
So they have to do about 1.7 of those a second.
And that assumes they are being paid $10 an hour, which is not a good wage.
And that assumes Amazon takes nothing.
A hundred every six minutes is 10 per second.
Where'd you get 1.7?
Oh, I missed a zero.
Oh.
So every six minutes?
Six minutes is how many seconds?
A hundred every six.
Help me out.
Oh, I'm so tired.
I was mocking you.
Oh.
They tried metric time.
People hated it.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So hold on a second.
Okay.
Oh, I said that wrong.
Is that what I said?
I didn't mean to say that.
I meant one minute.
Okay.
Apparently, chat apparently can't do it either because they are all over the place.
Why are we so bad at math?
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
We're trying to do it fast.
We've got to slow down.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's one second.
It's point.
One cent.
One cent.
One cent.
Per interaction.
Okay.
So it's a hundred interactions to a dollar.
It's a thousand interactions to $10.
Right?
So we've got a thousand interactions.
If we want to get paid $10 in an hour, we divide a thousand by 60.
That's the number per minute.
So that is 16.6 interactions per minute.
We divide it by 60 again.
That means we've got about four seconds per interaction.
I have done the math with a calculator this time.
Four seconds per interaction.
And that assumes you're being paid only $10 an hour.
And that assumes that Amazon is taking no cut.
What the fuck?
Isn't it 3.6 per second?
Yeah, I think so.
But I think you rounded up.
Yeah, I rounded.
Okay.
What the heck is going on here?
Has anyone worked for this?
I...
Like anyone in chat?
Man, that is wild.
Here's the Mechanical Turk worker page.
Ooh.
Ooh.
One dude said he did.
I have worked for it.
You need to pick jobs carefully.
Okay.
What does that mean?
Ah, I think that...
Oh, because the minimum payment thing.
So if you select the job, I don't know if that's how this works, but if you select the
job, you might be able to select ones that are higher value.
I was also reading the page and there's like different qualifications.
So maybe if you have a higher qualification, you can get higher value jobs and then you
get paid more per job.
Quite a few people in float plane chat are talking about this.
Someone says, MTurk is pretty dead now, but I used to do surveys for extra money in college.
Someone else said, I did SM MTurk in college, never saw a cent.
Someone said, I knew someone who did work for MTurk.
They said it was mostly just transcribing documents.
It's yes, I did it for beer money in college.
It's not full gig stuff.
Interesting.
I've worked for less with a family business.
I mean, yeah, fair enough, I guess.
In theory, says Matt Economist, I think that's one cent ones are supposed to be click on the
picture containing a bicycle.
I mean, man, for how long it takes me to solve a CAPTCHA sometimes.
Yeah, because like even that, you'd have to do one every 3.6 seconds and consistently
with no...
You better not blink or anything.
Wow.
All right.
Anyway.
Okay, okay, okay.
So Trash Cat says, I've MTurk work and yeah, you need to pick M carefully, but generally
minimum 10 cents per task in my experience.
Okay.
So that's quite a bit better.
That's way better.
That's literally an order of magnitude better.
Are those more complicated tasks or is that click on the bike?
Like I wonder how much someone would have been paid to identify your order value from
that store.
It must have been a lot higher.
I would hope so because reviewing video footage can be very time consuming.
It's not just scrub through, yeah, we're good because they need to be sure.
That's the whole idea because if they're training the machine vision model and they feed it incorrect
data, that's a disaster.
I mean, obviously, people are human.
They make mistakes from time to time, especially if they're being paid pennies per interaction
or whatever.
But the more of that noise that you feed into your model, the worser it is going to get.
The more perfect the data you give it, the better.
There's a very wide range of tasks.
Apparently, some will give $5 for a 15 minute server.
I have worked for MTurk and used it to find participants for studies.
Interesting.
Interesting.
All right.
Well, there you go.
MTurk, man.
I don't know how I'd never heard of this before because apparently it's a big deal.
Fallen Cry said you'd have to be very diligent and hardcore to make more of the minimum wage.
The good jobs are taken quick.
That makes sense.
To be allocated within a couple of minutes every few hours.
Right.
Because it's going to be like people in every time zone around the world just like sitting
there waiting for a gig to show up.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Okay.
I love Twitch chat.
All this mech Turk stuff looks like outsourcing low paying jobs to third world countries legally.
Good job.
Twitch gets there eventually.
And in this case, I'm pretty sure they're all contractors.
They get there eventually, Luke.
Yeah.
That's Twitch chat.
They got it.
They got it.
They got it.
They figured it out.
The contractors thing makes it way worse.
Here's a good key.
Yeah.
The fact that they're contractors.
Yeah.
Contractors.
Because there can be really good things about being a contractor.
There can also be super bad things about being a contractor.
And there's a little bit of a pattern of certain modern like web companies that need actual
like people physically doing their jobs using specifically contractors and paying very little.
It's not great.
You know what is great?
Merch messages.
That's true.
You guys can interact with the show using a merch message.
Don't do a super chat.
Don't do a Twitch bit.
The way to go is merch messages.
All you got to do is head over to LTTstore.com.
And in the checkout, you're going to see a box anytime we're live where you can fill in
a merch message.
Do we have any merch updates that are in the doc here, Dan?
I don't, I don't see anything here.
Oh, oh, oh, wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right.
We've got the limited edition shirt that we did for April Fool's.
Yeah.
These are going to be printing in, I believe, the next week or so.
Well, going to printing in the next week or so.
And then they will, yeah.
So it's going to be available.
Oh, until tomorrow.
This is available until tomorrow.
And then we're going to be hopefully printing them, yeah, over the next few weeks here.
So they'll go out there.
Sarah did this up pretty quick.
It's a welcome home shirt.
It's got the old house, got the old Lambo car, which is, you know, it's going to be more
of a reference to Ploof's car soon, I think, with what we're planning to do to it while he's
on vacation.
Oh, boy.
Well, I didn't want anyone to be jealous about the fact that he's getting free upgrades for
his car.
Oh.
Yeah.
So it comes with a condition.
Oh, boy.
We get to decorate.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, it's going to be good.
We should do a whole company paint party like last time.
Yeah.
So when you leave a merch message right in the box in the checkout, you will either have
it show up down here.
You are going to get a reply from producer Dan, or it will be forwarded to someone internally.
And that person might be me and Luke, where we will address your merch message on the show.
We're going to show you guys how it works.
Dan's going to pick us a couple of curated merch messages.
But first, I've got a quick poll for him to set up for you guys before we do those.
So that you guys can weigh in on what you want to see.
We're working on a new short.
Short.
We're working on a new shirt.
And we want it to have like a name tag holder mechanism of some sort.
And we want your feedback on what you think is the best.
So option A is a little reinforced D ring.
So that's like a little metal ring.
So this is how it would sit.
All right.
There's option A.
Luke, are you going to weigh in on this?
Sorry, I got linked to something that was...
Option B, D ring with a little carabiner that can be tucked into the pocket when it's not in use.
I kind of like that.
Okay.
All right.
Hold on.
So right, right, right.
This one has options.
So you can either hang it right off the D ring, or you could hang it off the carabiner
if you have to scan in on doors and stuff like that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Option C, simple folded webbing loop.
There we go.
And option D is D ring and carabiner base of pocket.
Okay.
I see.
So those are our four options, A, B, C, and D.
Is this a like tougher shirt, or is this a dressier shirt?
It's meant to be an everyday wear shirt.
So we understand that a lot of our audience are like techs.
Yeah.
And they're going to be crawling under a desk sometimes.
Okay.
But they still got to look good.
Okay.
So it's like a little, it's not, you're not working in a mechanical shop, but you're not
just sitting at a desk.
It's a, it's a, it's a, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's an office, office worker.
Yeah.
And when I say worker, I don't mean like you just have to sit at the computer.
Got it.
You can wear it for that.
It's great for that too, but we want it to be a little bit tougher than that.
All right.
So here, we'll get our results here.
I think in that case, if I had to vote, it would probably be, are they saying B?
Yeah.
I'm thinking I'm saying B as well, because if you need to slide around on the ground,
being able to tuck the whole thing into the pocket really easily seems like a cool feature.
Yeah.
That could be a bonus.
I like that a lot.
All right.
All right.
Why don't we do a couple of merch messages?
Sure.
First one here.
Hey, Dynas, Duke, and Lan, do you have any tips for someone struggling to stay disciplined,
whether it be for work or a hobby?
Oh, man.
I think Nike said it best.
Just do it.
Yeah.
I don't really know what else there is to say.
You have to decide what's important, and you've got to commit.
No excuses.
There's a lot of different ways.
Like, if you are incapable of doing that, there are other things you can do.
We talked about this on last WAN show, actually.
Accountability-type situation.
Yeah, don't go to the gym by yourself.
It doesn't work.
You have to go with someone.
There has to be a reason.
Unless they're sick all the time.
Yeah, well.
I mean, everyone, I think it's fair to say that either everyone or at least almost everyone
has better discipline planning ahead.
Everyone knows that they should work out tomorrow.
Everyone knows that they should go grocery shopping on the weekend and cook their meals.
But not everyone in the moment is going to feel like working out right now or going grocery
shopping and cooking right now.
Something I do specifically for both of those two things is, like, I'll pack my gym bag ahead
of time.
Yeah.
And, like, I'll leave it, like, by the door so that it's, like...
It's shaming you.
Yes.
It's a reminder.
The food thing, prep it before you're hungry.
And then when that meal comes up, it's like, oh, you, like, could eat junk or you could
go get some food or you could order delivery or whatever.
But actually, the easiest option right now is eating the stuff you already prepped.
So, like, remove barriers of difficulty and, I don't know if people are going to like this,
but, yeah, increase levels of, like, you know, have a buddy that does the thing with
you or your partner or whatever else.
Try to keep you on it.
Like, have a workout buddy or do meal prepping with someone else.
I don't know.
So, I never book badminton by myself.
I book it ahead of time because I know that, you know, I should go exercise and, you know,
do stuff.
And then when it's time to go, well, there's a lot of obstacles to not going.
I'm going to have to pay anyway because I signed up ahead of time.
That's a good one.
And I'm not going to be there.
So, they're going to be short people.
So, the rotations are going to be off.
So, I better go?
Someone in full-play chat said, we have no friends.
I actually don't agree that that's an excuse.
Got them.
Because not only is there a bunch of online communities where people are in the exact
same boat and you could probably find an accountability buddy there, but I've found
if you go to the gym, for example, if we're just using that one, it's actually quite easy
to make friends.
Everyone there is there for the same reason.
Yeah.
Everybody.
And, like, I made friends with this dude literally earlier this week because I saw
he had lifting shoes and he finished a set and was just kind of standing there.
So, I walked up to him and was like, hey, what's up?
He's like, hey, what's going on?
I was like, I saw you have lifting shoes.
How do you like those?
And his whole, he just lit up.
Everybody, if you ask them about, like, what they're doing or why, they spent all this
time researching it.
They spent all this money on it.
They've worked so hard.
They're using it actively.
They've worked really hard.
No one in their life cares at all.
Like, not even a little bit.
Wow.
You sound, uh, you sound mad.
It's, I'm not mad.
Are you mad, bro?
It's just real.
Because, like, he's always trying to tell me about how much he lifted.
I'm like, doesn't even care a little bit.
Is that a lot?
Yeah, that's the worst one.
That's the worst.
Um, but, like.
Sounds like a lot.
Good job.
Nobody cares.
Gold star.
But, but, that other person at the gym.
Yeah.
Might actually care.
Yeah.
So, like, it's, it's quite easy to make friends with people there.
Um, if you, if you work in an office, try to find someone else.
Like, if they're, if they're often going out for food every lunch, you know, try to make
a pact with them.
Like, let's, let's eat.
Let's take our lunches together and eat together and eat stuff we brought home, like, brought
from home.
Like, let's make this like a thing.
Hold each other accountable.
Let's try to save some money, eat better, stuff like that.
Um, and you don't even have to, you don't even have to do it because you're like, oh,
I want to lose weight.
You could do it because you wanted to save some money.
You can make great things at home.
I don't know.
It's an option.
Oh, man.
Common Twitch L.
I actually hate you.
No super chats.
Just buy something from me and I'll mention your comment.
So, you'd rather just throw money at the screen than get something in return?
This is actually better.
How can you not see that?
Yeah, like, I've, I've had people at the gym.
Serenity now.
Well, I'll ask them about like a certain movement that they're doing or whatever.
Yeah.
And it'll get, they get so excited about it.
I'm like, these, they don't know who I am.
I'm just some random dude at the gym.
Yeah.
They'll get so excited about it that I, they end up talking to me about it like far longer
than I had hoped they would.
I'm like ready to do my next set of whatever I'm doing.
I'm like kind of hoping this person will stop talking, but they're just like so stoked
to talk about this thing that they're really interested in.
Oh no, they're still mad because they don't have to spend, because they don't have to spend
shipping costs on their donate, then just buy a gift card and never use it.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
There's loopholes.
It's, it's a, it's a, it's nuts.
Why do you want to give me money for nothing?
Buy a backpack, set the shipping address to like a, a homeless shelter.
Boom.
Sure.
You donated a backpack.
Like, oh man, you guys are killing me here.
You're killing me.
You know what?
You know what?
Banned.
Boom.
Oh.
You lost your privileges.
It finally happened.
You lost your privileges.
All right.
Look what you've done, Twitch.
No, wait, hold on.
No, no, that's not, that's not.
Bring them back.
One person can't represent the whole, there.
Yeah.
Oh, never mind.
Get rekt.
All right.
Two other things I'll add, just really quickly.
You can't, you just can't shut up about this.
You are actually, you are actually perfectly exemplifying the phenomenon you're talking about.
You get a gym person talking about the bloody gym.
Yeah.
They can't shut up.
It is a problem.
It's not possible.
I could literally go on forever.
I've done it to Dan.
I'm living vicariously through Luke.
Is it?
It's not, it's true though, right?
I think every time I have brought it up, people are like, well, have you tried this?
Because it's all, it's all interesting.
I'm like, no.
The research shows.
I've done.
Did you hurt your shoulder?
Well, actually, I didn't hurt my shoulder.
I read the papers on the, full like partials are good for the, anyways, no, but like there's,
there's two things that I use as well.
One is try to do better than yesterday.
So if you're, if you're like, oh, I don't want to take the stairs today.
I'm tired.
And then just let that thing in the back of your head go like, you did it yesterday.
You did it.
Yes.
You found a way yesterday.
And then it's like, oh, fine.
And then you go do it.
It's great.
Um, and then the, I had another one.
Well, that's fine because it's time to do another merch message.
Dan, hit us.
Okay, sure.
Uh, let's see.
Hello, WAN.dll prevents dill.
Hello, WAN.dill.
Uh, I'll be starting my first home lab soon and would like some advice on security.
What's some ways I can keep my family safe while they use my services such as Jellyfin?
Well, I mean, if you are the one running the services, I don't think there's much that
you have to do to keep your family safe.
Um, they're a threat.
Your family?
No, this person.
Oh.
Um.
How do I protect them from myself?
Yeah, I mean, okay.
I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get flamed for this.
I know, I know it.
I know it.
Realistically, unless you are some kind of, I mean, a Jellyfin server and like having a
port open on your router, probably fine.
Is it vulnerability?
Yes.
It is.
Are you running Windows Defender?
Probably.
Probably right.
It's probably fine.
Um, I mean, I would say, I would say, you know, a more realistic concern would be, you
know, how do I manage the parental settings to ensure that young kids don't just have access
to all the R-rated movies in my library?
Like I, I, I would, I would be more focused on the practical concerns.
Just, you know, change your default passwords.
Keep everything up to date.
You know, the, the basics, the basics.
Just make sure you're going in and making sure everything's chill.
Uh, check the logs for the devices that have connected to your network once in a while.
Use guest Wi-Fi.
Guest Wi-Fi.
Totally awesome.
Uh, if you want to be, if you want to be a little bit, if you want to be a little bit
more careful, you know, have a really strong password on your main Wi-Fi.
Like there's just.
If you're asking this and you have IOT devices running on your main network, you're addressing
the wrong problem, I would also say.
Oh, yeah, that's another one.
I mean, we don't know that you do.
It's possible that you, that you've got a separate IOT network.
Yep.
My family was murdered by an open jellyfin port, you monster.
I saw someone say LastPass was hacked by a dev having Plex on their system or whatever,
but that's almost like proving Linus's point.
If you are a person that would be a very particularly interesting person to hack for whatever reason,
like a dev on a piece of security software that stores the passwords to like millions of
people's accounts.
Yep.
Um, then yeah, doing that type of stuff, you're opening yourself up.
And if you're that person, then I shouldn't be advising you on cybersecurity anyway.
Go figure it out.
Yeah.
So there's that.
Yeah.
Uh, all right.
Got it.
Um, do you want to do another talk?
Oh, we should do sponsors.
Let's get sponsors.
Should we do three merch messages?
Read the sign.
No, did we do it though?
No, we're, we're a little bit strange on time.
Let's do sponsors and then, yeah.
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You can now get the pre-built MSI Aegis RS2 gaming PC.
Yeah.
MSI mentioned this to me back at CES.
They are like a huge system integrator now.
What?
Yeah.
It's ready to level up your gaming experience, packing a punch with the latest Core i9 14th
gen processors and MSI's GeForce RTX 4080 Super graphics card.
It delivers solid performance for all your gaming adventures.
Plus, it has liquid RGB cooling.
Whatever that means.
With MSI's LED button, you can easily adjust it with their Mystic Light software.
And you can enjoy all the latest features from MSI's motherboards, including Blazing Fast
Wi-Fi 7 support for DDR5 memory and PCIe Gen 5.
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Get your hands on the MSI Aegis RS2 at the link down below.
And, oh yeah, that's it.
At the link down below.
All right.
Cool.
Huh.
That's different.
Okay.
Let's pick some bones.
Yeah.
What the heck?
What the heck what?
Your car's broken into you.
I'm like, I'm watching Dennis lumber away and then for some reason be so exhausted afterwards,
which I really, you even asked him about it.
I was the whole time when he starts walking back and he's like huffing and puffing.
He literally went around the corner.
Like, yeah, he didn't go very far.
I mean, you saw him try to fight me, right?
Yeah.
But he was gassed.
Wait, you were, you were there in person.
So it didn't really make it into the edit because Dennis edited it, but he, man, the
number of times he should have been disqualified from that man.
I was actually frustrated.
Like, not acting frustrated.
I was actually frustrated.
Like, he was taking, it didn't make any sense.
It wasn't fair.
He was taking extremely long breaks.
In fairness, I got the same breaks.
Yeah, but.
I didn't need them.
You would have, he was completely unable to fight and would have been disqualified.
Yeah.
Like, he couldn't move.
Yeah.
Anyway, so yeah, he apparently hasn't been working on his cardio enough.
No.
So he, he jogs around the corner and you just like speed walk after him?
Well.
Why, why did you even go if you're going that slowly?
Okay.
So there's, there's a number of.
Because you only caught him because he gave up because he was probably too tired from going
around one corner.
There's a number of elements here.
Okay.
One.
Oops.
I keep absolutely nothing of value in my car.
Nothing.
Ever.
Oh, the backpack was Chase's car.
Okay.
Yeah.
There was.
What was like spewing out of the car?
That was the contents of my glove box.
So basically there's tissues, there's a power inverter, there's some napkins, there's some
sanitary pads.
There's like a, oh, there's some extra hardware for my offset license plate mount.
There is nothing of value in my car ever.
Like if I go into a restaurant, you've seen me do this.
Hey, you bring the bag in.
I bring my backpack in with me.
I leave, I mean, look at that stupid thing.
Yeah.
If that's not a high profile target, I don't know what is.
Totally.
So I make sure there's nothing in it.
It's clean.
You look in the window, you're like, damn, that's a clean car.
Like nothing.
Not, not even crumbs of food.
There's nothing in there.
So that's number one.
What am I chasing him for?
Nothing.
So you had, you had that thought?
Yeah.
I know there's nothing in my car.
But your, your glass is broken.
Number two.
That glass is not going to be unbroken by catching the guy.
I'm going to go through the exact same insurance rigmarole, regardless of what happens with him.
So what difference does it make?
Number three.
What if the guy's armed?
So, okay.
I don't know.
Okay.
I'm going to go, I'm going to go put my body and my life, which I value, by the way.
I'm going to go put that in, even if the, even if the risk was 1%, I'm going to take
a 1% chance to, to have a violent encounter with someone over literally nothing of value.
So here's my counter to all of that.
Hold on.
I'm not done yet.
And glass that is already broken.
Yeah.
The glass cannot be unbroken through anything other than insurance and dealing with the
hassle of taking it to the shop means.
Finally, number four, I caught a glimpse of his face and I thought it might be Dennis.
Okay.
So you followed him at all because you thought it might be, because my thing is like, if
the first three or two, which is fair, fairly good reasoning, why go anyways?
Well, I was noting.
Because you were putting chase.
Yeah, but.
Because he was so slow.
He was also, so no, his speed varied.
It was hard to tell from the footage.
Oh, okay.
But he like booked it and then like slowed down.
It was like he wanted me to chase him.
So I was like, now to be clear, when I say I saw the face, he kind of had to go
his hood down.
I didn't know it was.
You wouldn't know for sure.
I didn't know it was Dennis.
Decent distance, hood on.
So I didn't know.
And I told him, I told him at the time, I was like, you got me.
Because even though I had all those thoughts and even though I thought it, and he actually
found the frame where like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where I was like, he's like, is this?
Because I smile a little bit.
But then, but then.
No, no.
Because, but he got me.
Because after that.
The fake glass.
The fake glass was what convinced me.
So they rolled down the window and they made sugar glass and like put it.
So I've gone through that before.
I've actually had my car broken into multiple times.
And that feeling of kind of.
Shock, not, not shock, but like that feeling where it actually takes a second to process.
When you, when you come into a building and it's been broken into, everything is right
except the things that are wrong.
And it can actually take a second.
So this one time I, I parked my car outside of our garage overnight because there was like
something in the way.
And I come out in the morning, I sit down all the way in my driver's seat.
And the first thing that registered for me was actually that the seat was way back.
Interesting.
I didn't actually see because I'm not in, I'm not doing a pre-flight check on my car.
I'm not inspecting it.
I'm just getting in and driving.
And so I sat down into my seat and went, well, this isn't quite right.
Yeah.
And then, then I noticed the shattered glass all over the passenger seat.
So like it, it can, it can take a second for something to click.
And, um, and so what, when I saw the shattered glass,
I actually like had that click moment.
I relived the, like, my car has been broken into, like the glass was the, the thing that
made me realize two times when my car had been broken into.
So what Dennis did, whether it was intentional or not, was he tapped into like a, an experience
I've had before.
He tapped into a memory.
There's no way he knew that.
And recalled that emotional state that made me sort of be dismissive of my suspicions and
kind of go, my car's been broken into.
Yeah.
So it wasn't the right color.
And like, yeah, some of it was like almost a yellowy cause it's like sugar sugar.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, but some of it was okay.
Yep.
So I wasn't looking that close, you know, maybe it got some gross water on it or whatever.
That's what did the discoloring.
Yeah.
Uh, the video is on, on float plane.
So you can check it out.
Um, yeah.
The, the only time my car has ever been broken into was there.
Nice.
I don't know if you remember, but I, hold on.
So, uh, here's where they're, here's where they're setting up.
Uh, I don't know.
This, this, so that's when they were preparing the fake photo of Chase's car.
Oh, here?
If you go, if you go back, you saw the orange backpack.
So he's editing it right there.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause this is, this is the fake.
He's trying to use AI to generate the glass and then he ends up just doing it himself.
Yeah.
So he, um, he, he kind of planted the seed in my mind of cars being broken into.
Yeah.
Which was really smart actually.
Yeah.
I honestly, at the time I was like, why are you telling me this?
Like cars can be broken into anywhere.
Like I, I don't really sure, I guess.
Um, yeah.
So they had, they got Sammy to have me shoot an intro for something that he didn't need
at all.
Um, and I was like, yeah, sure.
I'll shoot an intro for you.
I mean, I like to be helpful.
So here he is making the broken glass.
See, some of it is really nicely colored and then other bits are yellowy sugar glass.
Yeah.
Uh, Dennis told me, by the way, this might be in the video.
I'm not sure, but he told me at the time that they carefully did not get any sugar glass
in my car.
There's definitely some in there.
There was sugar glass in the car.
Yeah.
There was sugar glass in the car.
They got cat.
They, they burst one of the ketchup packets that was in my glove compartment and it got all over
the passenger seat.
Oh no.
It's like,
any time Dennis is involved with any of your stuff.
Getting his car dirty and like dumped a bunch of my stuff onto the like wet, dirty sidewalk.
And so I'm like, okay, cool.
Thank you for that.
Like what?
Anyway.
Um, yeah, my, my car got broken into at the old office and I had, I had this, the first
nice piece of clothing I ever bought was this leather jacket from Danie that was called,
the name of the jacket was Luke.
Nice.
And I didn't know that until I had picked it.
I was like, this is perfect.
And then it was stolen out of my car.
Um, Sag.
Oh, Tynan wants to know scratched floor or dirty car more annoying.
Definitely the scratch floor.
That is permanent.
Yeah.
That's forever.
It's like a diamond.
Diamond floor, baby.
Um, yeah, I might have to fight Dennis again, so we'll see.
Budran asks, why do you have ketchup in your glove box?
Well, where else would I keep it?
Under the seat?
They, they don't give out ketchup packets by default at fast food restaurants anymore.
Oh, so it's for if you like forget to ask?
Okay.
Then I have a ketchup packet.
And it turns out that if you keep them forever, they do go bad.
In case anyone was wondering about that.
Was that one bad?
No.
Oh, okay.
No, no, no, no.
It'd been replaced recently because now I know.
Well, some of them don't have expiry dates on them.
Some do.
I just love that this is like an actual problem that you've sought a solution for, found issues
with the solution, and improved upon and iterated that solution.
Mm-hmm.
That's fantastic.
That's my whole life, Luke.
Like what, I'm going to eat fries without ketchup?
This actually does sound like a particular Linus problem that you would like seek out a solution
for.
I fully would believe that.
Oh, yeah.
A hundred percent.
And like, man, I, you need exactly the right amount of ketchup.
I take my fry and I like, you've probably seen me do this.
Yeah, I've seen that.
I put a strip of ketchup on the whole fry so the ratio is right.
Yeah.
I've a hundred percent seen that.
Yep.
Okay.
What are we doing?
Two more topics?
Three more topics?
Somewhere around there.
Oh, Dan wants to do merch messages.
All right.
Sure, Dan.
I don't think we have that many this week.
We're a little out of order, unfortunately.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, I've got some, I've got some curated ones for you here.
All right, hit me.
I don't know.
What do you think about that top one?
I mean, I haven't paid enough attention to it, but Luke might know.
And Buddy spent like $500, so I guess we can, yeah, bought a screwdriver, a backpack,
a other more different screwdriver, a stubby screwdriver, a banana for scale, a whole bunch of bits,
a sticker pack, and a shaft extension.
So is this, is this Stop Killing Games?
That's right.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
I've seen this guy for a while.
Do you want me to, do you want me to read this out?
Yeah, sure.
If you know what's going on.
Yeah, because I haven't, I haven't, I haven't looked into this.
So, yeah.
Hi, Linus and Luke.
What do you think of Ross Scott's call to action against Ubisoft killing the crew?
Do you think we have any chance of preventing future games from being destroyed?
Now, I've followed this guy for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah, so maybe Dan can do this merch message.
Maybe, maybe.
Because Luke and I haven't paid attention to this.
I had had it flagged for me, and I've seen some community sentiment around this that is
like, that this is something we need to be supporting, but I hadn't had a chance this
week to dig into it.
Yeah, I've seen his videos, but I, I'm not up to date on this.
Yeah, he had some really good thoughts.
I think, I hope it was him, ages ago about always online games that are single player
that the companies go, oh, well, you know, we can't afford the server upkeep anymore.
And so the game that you have paid for, you are now no longer able to play.
And so a lot of, uh, a lot of people will take these servers and host them themselves.
I know there's a bunch of different games that kind of have community hosted servers
and there's no more dedicated, you know, first party ones anymore.
Um, so I think this is probably a call towards that, right?
A game that Linus and I enjoyed to play every now and then is like that.
Um, Subcom, I don't remember.
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance.
Forged Alliance.
Yeah.
Or wait, Forged Alliance Forever is the, uh, the community takeover of the game that
was allowed to happen after gas powered games went.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But was it, was it gas powered that let them do it?
Like some, some, there was like a, I forget which party ultimately, uh, enabled that, but
it's pretty cool.
And recently I think it's City of Heroes.
There's unfortunately a lot.
Um, and I think the worst offender is probably single player games.
Sorry.
Forged Alliance Forever was an example of a good thing.
Yeah.
The community did takeover.
We're currently trying to talk about good things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, I think it was City of Heroes that recently just publicly was like, yeah, people
can host their own servers and iterate on the game and everything and good luck.
I don't remember what it was.
I might be saying the wrong one.
Yeah.
But there are some, few, good examples.
There are good examples.
And I think those are probably the outliers in the situation.
There's mostly bad ones.
It's mostly like this.
Yeah.
Um, right.
And, and it's very frustrating, especially because there's still an active community,
even though they may be small, but they're still active.
Well, yeah.
The, this blurb here says, um, the video game, the crew, this is on stopkillinggames.com.
This blurb says the video game, the crew published by Ubisoft was recently destroyed for all players
and had a player base of at least 12 million people.
That's an interesting number.
That's not a small.
I'm assuming that was at one point in time.
I can't imagine there's that many people playing the crew right now.
Yeah.
There's no way they'd be shutting it down, but I mean.
They might be surprised.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Due to the game size and France's strong consumer protection laws, this represents one of the
best opportunities to hold a publisher accountable for this action.
We are six, if we are successful in charges being pressed against Ubisoft, this will have
a ripple effect on the video games industry to prevent publishers from destroying more
games.
And then there's like buttons to click where you can take action and in various countries
that you're in and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
I watched his video on the crew about a month ago.
It came out dead game news is the series.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's brutal.
We talk about it on Wancho all the time.
Um, this seems like a good thing to jump on.
The train for.
So, yeah, I mean, look, I'll say this is not a creator that I'm personally, I'm not
personally acquainted with.
So I don't, um, but you know, what I do know is I agree with the cause and if all you're
being asked to do is sign a petition that says that you don't think this is okay, then
I think that's something that I can wholeheartedly recommend without, like I already said, doing
any due diligence on this.
Um, I intend to sign the petition once the show is over and I, I can do that.
Um, yeah, I do think that please don't right now.
Yeah, no, I'm busy right now.
I do think that these companies need to be held accountable.
And I think that if there are no monetary consequences, not only is nothing ever going
to change, it is going to get so much worse.
Oh yeah.
Because a lot of, especially younger consumers don't even understand what they've lost yet.
Even the games that do still exist, the, the, the, the, the modes, the ways of playing
them that have changed as games as a service evolve are gone.
I mean, think back to, think back to what it was like when you finally quit WoW and how
badly you wanted to just play classic WoW again.
And Blizzard finally did it.
And then my understanding is they kind of bunged it up because didn't they start like updating
it again?
Yeah.
And like you, you already can't actually play classic again now because it progressed through
the expansions.
So it's already.
So what they need to do is they just need to do like a, like a wipe system.
Yeah.
There are some, there are other games that do that.
Like if I remember correctly, EverQuest has a very similar, like you can play original
like a 1999 EverQuest or whatever it was, 2001.
I don't remember.
Maybe RuneScape was 1999, whatever.
And they, they wipe frequently.
And most of the active players, as far as my understanding goes for the EverQuest one are
on the servers that are fresh because people want to play fresh experiences where everyone's
starting back at scratch, all that type of stuff.
But yeah.
I think the RuneScape, speaking of RuneScape, didn't the RuneScape creator just make a new
game?
Actually, you can still play classic era.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think I forgot that was a thing.
Oh, okay.
Well, there you go.
I don't know.
Older school RuneScape.
Yeah.
Is classic era wiping though?
I don't think it's wiping.
They're just permanent servers, right?
I don't know.
Whatever.
Either way.
Okay.
Next up.
Yep.
Hey, LLD, is there a reason why 256 characters is the default max path on NTFS still?
We run into this on my work NTFS server and it's infuriating, especially because some apps
don't serve proper errors.
Man, that's a question for a Windows developer.
If I had to guess, I would say it's because it hasn't been a priority to fix it.
I mean, there's so, so many things in Windows or Gmail or basically anything you use that
just haven't been updated because it's not the most important thing I can work on today.
Right.
And I mean, we run into that all the time.
Stuff that theoretically is a quick bug fix, but in practice is just never the thing that's
on fire today.
I've talked about that to a few people here where it's like, I wouldn't worry so much about
your job security in the sense of you running out of work to do.
Yeah.
There is effectively an infinity list of tasks that we could do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't stress.
The biggest problem is figuring out what item on this infinity list is the thing that we
should work on right now.
And sometimes it can be frustrating because someone can be really passionate about one
of the things on the list.
Yeah.
But there's this other thing that maybe it has to be done for some.
And you might not fully understand why that other thing is more important, but it is.
Yeah.
At least we strongly believe it is.
People make mistakes.
We get things wrong.
This is a suggestion.
Quantum Rand in Floatplane Chat says, try asking Dave's Garage on YouTube.
If there's anyone who is likely to both A, no, and B, dish, I would say that it would
be Dave's Garage.
Also, apparently, this is according to Posedron, there is a registry edit where you can go in
and you can change it to a higher limit.
You have to change files to set, current control set, control file system, long paths enabled.
And that changes the limit, according to Matthew O, to 4,096 characters, which ought to be enough
for anyone.
That's a reference, which Bill Gates apparently never said.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Yeah.
There's some reason why I had to do that in the past.
I don't remember what it was.
I think it was like development file paths that were just getting ridiculous.
Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.
It's got to go with the nested folders for days.
Yeah.
All right, Dan.
Sorry.
Let's see.
Good evening, DLL.
Well, question for you three or whoever answers.
Ivory towers are very prolific in manufacturing companies, DOD subcontractors included.
How do we better guard against detached decisions?
I don't know.
It's tough because even making a conscious effort to talk to people and work in the trenches
at this company as we've grown, it hasn't always been easy to fully understand the daily challenges
that people have.
We had someone raise a concern.
So I was frustrated on a shoot recently when a prop that was integral to the intro was
not sourced.
Well, A, we had it at one point, but at some point we lost it.
And then when we realized we lost it, we didn't source a new one.
And I landed on set and I was like, whoa, I can't arrive on set and the intro doesn't
work because the prop I need for the intro isn't here.
We don't have one.
This was so preventable.
And the conversation that ultimately came out of that was, hey, we don't have a process
for just anyone making a petty cash decision and then begging for forgiveness later.
There just isn't a means for it.
And it was a funny thing for me to think about because even before I ran my own company or
whatever, that was 100% something that I just did.
If something was like 50 bucks and I knew that I could defend it to the CEO, I would
just spend the $50 and worry about it later.
But that is not a recommendation.
For real though, right?
Like I got away with being a bit of a maverick, but that's not necessarily good for your career.
You now would deal with managing you back then.
Oh, God.
It would actually be like quite the clash.
I would be very frustrated.
Both of me would be very frustrated always.
Yeah.
Anyway, the point is what came out of that was that, hey, we don't have a formalized like
one of CEO Taryn's favorite words is explicit.
We don't have a formalized process that gives people explicit permission to make a decision
like that.
A lot of people just do it anyway.
So especially people who have been around since the old days and who have been doing
it for years, but especially new people don't know.
They don't realize.
They come from other companies where spending 20 bucks that you weren't allowed to spend
could literally mean getting a dressing down, right?
Like I, and that's so, that's so foreign to me.
Like I, that doesn't make sense in my world because I never worked in that environment and
I'm not going to foster that environment here, but that's a thing.
It can be quite inefficient.
Yeah.
I came across my supposed approval limit.
I don't remember when this was like a few months ago or something and just erupted with
laughter.
I was like, Oh, I have approved things wildly beyond this many times.
Like, yeah, that's actually bad though.
I didn't know.
No one told me because the approval limits were set up when float plane was completely
separate.
So it was genuinely not communicated to me at that time.
So like our cloud flare contract, which is like enormous.
So I fought for the best, genuinely fought for like the best thing we could get.
In a lot of these occasions.
And that's the thing though, is it, which I think is why I didn't get in trouble in good
faith.
If you are doing the best thing for the company and you can defend it, like that's, that's
honestly the, the guiding star that I lived by was, could I argue this and win?
Yeah.
And if I can argue it and win, then the conversation's over and this is not advice.
And realistically the trust level goes up.
It can.
However, if you, if you just do what you think is right and it turns out that either you weren't
right or your boss is an idiot and doesn't understand you were right, it could be very
harmful to your prospects.
It could even get you fired depending on what's going on.
So like, it's, it's genuinely not advice.
Yeah.
And that end, uh, my, my mom loves to, loves to phrase things this way, especially around
like traffic lessons for the kids.
Uh, she goes, it doesn't matter if you're in a crosswalk.
It doesn't matter if the light is red.
It doesn't matter if you see the little walkie man, you check, you make sure they are actually
breaking because.
Sure.
You can, you can be right.
And dead.
But you'll be dead.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and, and I think it's, those are, those are words to live by and everything, you know,
walking across the street, uh, career relationship.
It doesn't matter if you're right.
If you get killed in the process.
Yeah.
XG Ford says boss is idiot is the issue.
That's fair enough.
Uh, data fricking says got hit in a crosswalk.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
Yep.
Yep.
Arbiter cases.
I was hit by a car and I was on a crosswalk, had the right of way.
A hundred percent, man.
I, uh, I, I didn't take a course until I learned to ride a motorcycle.
And what I found out was I just kind of naturally do a lot of defensive driving things.
But one of them is that I do not start moving when a light turns green.
No way.
Scan.
I am making sure I am making damn good ensure that the cars on both side are
decelerating with enough space to not enter the intersection every single time I've been
honked at.
Cause I've been like, I have not determined that it is safe to proceed yet.
And I'm just sitting there.
Um, I had a, I, I've a very clean driving record.
I've never hit anything.
I've never been hit.
I've, everything's nice.
I had a scare the other day.
It was raining really, really hard.
Yeah.
Visibility was not very good.
I'm turning in a, uh, it's like off a seldom used street into a parking lot.
There's someone that comes out from behind my pillar.
Like I couldn't see them and they're wearing all black visibility is terrible.
It's raining.
And I see them come to a stop and I slammed the car into a stop at the same time.
And it's like possible that that could have been bad.
And I was just like, Oh man.
Um, and like, cause like, it doesn't matter.
They're wearing all black.
It doesn't matter that it's raining.
It's still your fault.
Yeah.
Uh, CEO, CEO Taryn has, uh, had a really good, uh, trick that, uh, I've used since I
saw him do it, uh, whenever he goes around a blind corner, um, he'll flash his beams
or honk.
Like if it's a bad blind corner and I saw him do this in a parkade was where, where it
like was where it first came up to give you some idea, like how blind this corner needs
to be.
Don't honk your horn every time you turn your car, obviously.
Uh, but like, um, that's a good one.
Yeah.
In, uh, there's a, there's a part, there's a parking lot that I often pull into that has
an uncontrolled T intersection where there is not a lot of traffic and you may have even
seen me do this, but if it's nighttime, I flash my beams as I'm going toward that intersection
to make sure that's, it's obvious someone is coming.
You never, you never know.
Like people, people get hit by trains and that's not because they're dumb.
It's sometimes it is, but it's often not because they're dumb.
It's because it's not always obvious unless there is like motion there.
So there has to be something to break us out of our, out of our zone, super zoned out.
Sometimes.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I, I have caught myself being really aggressive about like physically moving myself so that
I can check behind pillars whenever I'm going around corners.
I've always been really good about checking for bikes all that other types of type of stuff.
But I, I realized in that moment that I don't think I've been super good about making
sure there isn't a thin pedestrian behind the pillar.
You know, it's something I've noticed too, as I'm getting older, shoulder checking is
more work.
It's like actually harder.
That's interesting.
I don't think I really thought about that.
I used to be, I used to be like skinnier and just, you know, just generally wirier.
Like I didn't take up as much space.
Like I've probably, since I, since I worked at NCIX, I've probably put on about 25 pounds,
which for five, six is like a fair bit.
I'm just like generally stiffer.
Like I'm just always like sore from working out.
In your, in your defense, I think a lot of it's been muscle.
Yeah.
But I just mean like, like I was just like, you know, just like moving around in a seat.
Yeah.
It was easier.
It does get harder.
Yeah.
And like, you know, you know, my neck's stiffer than it used to be and stuff.
So, so it's, it's something that I realized a little while ago and I was like, okay, I
need to make a very conscious effort.
Cause I, I was the kind of person who would like make sure I've got nothing in front of
me and like look behind me, like not a peripheral vision shoulder checker.
I was like anything back there.
Let's go.
Yeah.
But yeah, just, I just, my, my cheapness doesn't want my insurance rate to go up.
So I don't want to hit anything.
That is not the reason.
And I care about everyone being perfectly safe all the time.
Can you at least try to convince me?
Amen.
They both count.
What a dick.
At least the car is already red.
All right, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing?
That's a good point.
My, my, my leather is white.
Do you know how, do you know what a bad decision that was?
Dan.
You can keep doing topics if you want.
As you age even further and the incontinence sets in.
Oh, I mean, there's that too.
Chipotle.
I mean, we saw Dan leaking in the badminton center tour.
Oh yeah, that's bad.
What?
There was like a puddle on the floor and I made an offhand joke about Dan peeing himself
or something or like.
I was just getting over food poisoning.
Something.
And he goes and like, what did you do?
You like crouched over it or something?
I don't remember.
I actually can't remember.
Yeah, he did something.
Everything here is just a fever dream.
It's like, Dan, the joke, you've taken the, you've taken, the joke was awful and uncomfortable.
It's for the editors to cut back.
Yeah.
The editors can find the line.
Yeah.
Who has more power in this company than the editors?
For real though.
Oh, they can make or break you.
Yeah.
They are the most important thing.
Oh, they absolutely can.
That's, yeah.
That's something Ed taught me early on.
Not, not in like by doing it, by making me look terrible.
Yeah.
Cause you were all like, never piss off your IT admin.
And he was like.
Never piss off your editor.
Excuse me.
When he first joined, he kept saying like, it's all in the edit.
It's all in the edit.
And I was like.
It's all in the edit.
And then I was like, oh yeah.
We'd film something.
I'd be like, this was trash.
No one's ever going to want to watch this.
And it comes out of the edit.
I'm like, wow, it's pretty good.
It's pretty watchable.
It's like, oh, okay.
Like a couple frames can make you seem like a non-funny, like bumbling idiot.
Yeah.
Or sharp-witted and hilarious.
It's actually like frames.
It's nuts.
Yeah, exactly.
A little bit onto the end of every clip.
So you just seem like you're kind of.
Nothing lands.
Yeah.
And there's like awkward pauses.
And then you turn back.
And it's great.
Or the whole roast video that had no laughter in it.
No laugh track.
It's amazing.
Brutal.
To be clear, it didn't need a laugh track.
People were losing it.
But we didn't have the audience mic'd.
Yeah.
Ironically, one of the first productions we ever did where we hired a professional AV company
to come in and run the production for us.
We had so many comments on that video.
Yeah, these dummies never get it right.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It wasn't even us.
Oh, come on.
I mean, we do make mistakes.
Absolutely.
But if I'm going to own mistakes, I'd like for them to at least be our mistakes.
It's got six million views.
Yeah, it did okay.
It's really funny.
I've gone back and watched it a couple times.
I'm sure I've said this a bunch of times, but I'm guessing on average, I watch it like
once a year.
Yeah.
It's so funny.
I always forget at least a good chunk of it.
Yeah.
Dennis and Yvonne are so good.
Oh, man.
Yvonne did not hold back.
No.
Oh, it was great.
Anyways, we're doing topics?
Topics.
Let's do it.
We have a lot of topics today.
You've got about 40 minutes till after dark.
Intel's megafab, possibly haunted.
Intel's planned German megafab has run into a potential snag in that the currently empty
field where it's supposed to be built is also the site of several Neolithic burial mounds
estimated to be about 6,000 years old.
Archaeologists have been examining the area since last year and noticed that a small hill
in the industrial park was actually an ancient grave complex.
The site contains multiple graves, including a chariot burial where sacrificed cattle were
buried alongside a human being in formation that was meant to imitate a driver and cart
pulled by the animals.
Archaeologists will be working to preserve the discovery, though Intel is still expected
to begin construction on schedule.
Can you imagine being that archaeologist?
Like, usually I would imagine you're kind of working, you know, within budget at a pace
that is reasonable.
And it's going to be like Pat Gelsinger breathing down your neck.
Can we build yet?
Can we build yet?
There are billions of dollars waiting for you.
Do you have any idea how much our stock just crashed based on how our fab business is
looking right now?
I have some investors to please.
Can we build yet?
It would be kind of sick if they did like a statue of the chariot setup.
To be clear, to be clear, I still like Intel in the long term, but I made it very, very
clear.
Not investment advice.
Never investment advice.
Not investment advice.
When I said that, that it was a long term play.
Long term play.
Like geopolitical.
At some point, something might happen to TSMC and Intel's fab business might do really
good long term play.
Okay?
That's all.
What else we got?
Google deletes incognito data.
Yeah.
Google has agreed to delete all data collected while users were browsing in incognito mode
in order to avoid a potential $5 billion fine for failing to adequately inform users that
Google was still tracking them.
Google initially argued that its incognito mode landing message, that user's activity might
still be visible to websites that they visit, was a sufficient warning, but gave up quickly
after a judge decided that this language was obviously misleading.
Meanwhile, Google is testing device-bound session credentials.
Great.
A way of cryptographically tying session credentials to a specific device in order to prevent bad
actors from accessing sensitive accounts by stealing and cloning session credentials.
Discussion question.
Is this enough?
What about all the money they made with this data while they had it?
That's a good point.
That is a good point.
I have no idea.
I think this should decrease their fine.
I don't think it should eliminate the fine.
Yeah.
Like they did the bad thing.
It's not like you can be like, oh yeah, I killed that guy, but like, look, look how
alive he is.
Hello, welcome to the WAN show.
Yeah, exactly.
That's not how that works.
You can't un-crime.
For something like this, in my opinion, they should figure out how much they profited off
of them, and that should be the fine if they stop doing it now.
Impossible, though.
How could you possibly quantify that?
I agree.
But that's how I would like it to be.
Google might have their own internal metrics for how much they think the data is worth,
but you're basically, you're just trusting Google to tell you what it was worth.
Yeah.
We can take Google's.
They should absolutely.
I can't take credit for that joke.
That's G-Dub and Flowplane chat.
Heck yeah.
They should absolutely still be a fine.
This is getting off with nothing, essentially.
They did a crime until they got caught, and then didn't get in trouble for it.
Yeah.
It's like you've been robbing banks for a long time.
Yeah.
It's like you're cheating on your spouse for 10 years, and she catches you, and you're
like, okay.
Well.
I will stop.
I will not cheat anymore in this specific way.
And then she's like, great.
Yeah.
Well, no harm, no foul then.
Like, what?
That's not how this works.
That's not how anything works.
Apparently.
Anyways, one that I want to talk about.
Yeah.
Discord wants you to make your friends watch ads.
Nice.
This week, Discord will be expanding its Quest program, which I didn't even know exists,
which sends notifications to some users with an offer of in-game rewards if they play certain
games and stream them to their friends.
These streams will have ads that live in the bottom left corner, I guess, of the screen.
These ads will be targeted based on information collected by Discord, though users can opt out
both of this data collection and all notifications related to Quests.
Hmm.
I have been wondering this whole time how streaming on Discord makes any sense for Discord at all,
and this really didn't help me understand.
Do tell.
Are there costs?
Like, is it direct user-to-user somehow?
Are they...
I don't think so.
So it's going through Discord.
I mean, I guess it...
So all the bandwidth of streams is going through Discord, and they're going to offset it with
this?
I mean, this is better than nothing.
But I just...
I just...
I mean, honestly, Luke, it must be...
It must be going through their infra, because otherwise, why would they limit the quality
so hard?
Yeah, I mean, that's a good point.
Like, it could be just, you know, to make you pay for Nitro.
Like, you can make that argument.
Or compatibility reasons, because some people's computers won't be able to do it.
But realistically, I doubt it.
Because when Discord was in, hey, we're just VC-funded and don't need to make any money,
let's go mode.
They made everything as great as they possibly could.
Like, I think...
I actually...
Even from a user safety standpoint, I kind of feel like they would have to have it go
through their infra.
Yeah.
Because there are public servers that people stream in, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they could potentially be liable for what someone sent to someone else on the platform.
Like, they'd have to have some kind of record of that.
Apparently, it is direct.
But...
Oh.
Discord streams usually go through stun turn servers.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on.
We're getting some...
No, we're getting some conflicting information in the floatplane chat.
So, I'm not 100% sure.
Hold on.
People are saying, yeah, Google did not commit a crime.
Just...
Okay.
Technically, probably not.
But stealing...
Telling you...
You're not...
Telling someone you're not going to take their personal information and then taking it...
Is that not a crime?
It might not technically be a crime, but it's certainly not nice.
And it should be.
That's...
That's where I'll...
That's where I'll...
Leave that.
Sure.
We...
If it isn't, it should be.
None of this is legal advice.
Yeah.
That thing he said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If it's peer-to-peer...
I've never looked into this.
Because, like...
I don't care that much.
It just seems a little weird to me.
If it's peer-to-peer, I totally get it.
Sounds good.
Um...
Yeah.
Routing it through their servers?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Um...
But if it's peer-to-peer, then sure.
Okay.
They found a cool way to monetize it.
Whatever.
You don't have to do the quests.
You can opt out of the data collection stuff.
Seems all fine to me.
Um...
How it all goes live.
I don't have time to read this right now.
But if they are doing, like, transcoding or anything for it, it makes no sense to me at all.
If it's directly peer-to-peer, then sure.
Okay.
Makes sense.
Go live streams are transmitted to Discord's backend and then routed to viewers.
This hides the IP addresses between users on the call and allows the service to control where the data is routed.
For example, the service will only relay video to a participant on the call if they are watching it.
The go live stream is constrained by how much data can go through the network.
Because the stream needs to be watchable for every viewer, the streamer will not transmit more data than what the slowest connection can support.
So that could be a major reason that they don't allow super high...
Yeah, compatibility stuff.
Yeah.
In addition, a streamer will only transmit data if at least one viewer is watching.
Estimating bandwidth is complicated.
How we measure performance...
So, yeah, yeah, they're not transcoding.
That helps a lot?
No, yeah.
No, the client transcodes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Doesn't solve everything.
Okay.
But do they still...
Are they still absorbing the bandwidth cost?
That's what I want to know.
Okay.
I'm not sure.
Either way, Discord's model has always been kind of wild to me.
You look at how much Teams and Slack cost.
And then you look at what Discord does.
And in a huge amount of cases, far better than either of those platforms.
And it's like, what?
Maybe the real question should be, why does Teams cost that much?
Well, and isn't Slack like...
Did you see Teams as being decoupled from Office?
Did we talk about that on Wenshow already?
We haven't talked about that on Wenshow, but that is very interesting.
Yeah, it's interesting timing.
Microsoft's clearly going, hmm, we push this really hard in a way that regulators are going
to be probably super unimpressed by.
Maybe if in good faith we decouple this now, they won't go back and look at it.
Because you know what?
It's the only reason we use Teams, which is because we were effectively forced to buy it
because we needed office.
I would have happily paid less and not bought Teams.
This is a really interesting thing because, like, Taren linked me that news article.
See, Linus?
I guess you can uncrime.
That's actually pretty funny.
Yeah, I mean, I guess if in good faith you stopped being unfaithful before she found out,
that might earn you some brownie points.
Oh, man.
I think with most people, not enough.
I mean, it's some.
If I did that, I am still dead.
Oh, well, yeah.
I won't be at work the next day.
Dude.
I won't be alive.
I'd be alive.
Yvonne's made it very clear what would happen to me.
I'd be alive as long as I don't bleed out.
Understood.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
And when that woman says something, you believe her.
Yeah.
She'd be scary sometimes.
What is it?
Like, okay.
Yeah, I thought I heard.
I can't find anything on this right now, so I don't know if it's true.
But I thought Slack was, like, somehow managing to be having financial issues, but I'm not finding anything on that, so I don't.
That might have just been completely made up.
But anyways, it is something to now reconsider is the use of teams.
What?
AK Panda says you cannot bleed out from such a small wound.
Oh, my God.
Anyways.
Anyway.
We, uh...
I'm no Drake.
We...
We, uh...
Do we keep using teams?
There's so many problems with it internally.
I know.
And if it's being decoupled anyways...
I just hate the pain of switching.
Yeah.
Ugh.
It's kind of bad, though.
I know.
Yeah.
It's kind of usable, though.
One of the frustrating things...
Yeah.
...is Slack also has a ton of problems.
I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
If Discord had an enterprise mode, I'd just put us on Discord.
100%.
I'd support that.
But it...
It...
There's just a few things...
It doesn't quite...
Ugh.
It honestly really doesn't need much more.
Which is...
Again, so interesting to me.
Like...
Kind of infuriating.
Yeah.
Like, I can understand the Discord branding just not really making sense for them for a corporate product.
Yeah, but they could roll the same thing...
Just clone it.
...different logo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chord dis.
Oh, my God.
Sid Rock.
What's a...
Sid Rock chat.
Like, I don't know.
What's the...
I don't think you want that.
Hmm.
I'm sure they could come up with some name.
I use Discord for my company, head of IT here.
That's cool.
We used to use Discord for float plane as well.
There's, like, some issues with it, though.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's not...
I don't think it's...
I'm...
You could probably get it most of the way there for what we need if you had a...
Probably an arrangement of, like, different bots and things to manage different stuff.
But there's, like...
There's reasons.
You don't actually necessarily want the window that someone looks at.
This is less from IT.
This is more from, like, operations, I guess.
But you don't necessarily want the window that someone needs to look at for work to also have all their personal stuff in it.
And then, okay, so are you getting them to have a different work Discord account?
You can't moderate what other things they're joining on the work Discord account.
Like, removing...
Adding and removing someone from the server is not as clean.
It's pretty easy to get off task in Discord.
I'll tell you that much.
You can data retain in Slack and in Teams.
Which has very important benefits for companies, right?
Like, if you have former staff that's not with you anymore and you need to, like, really need to have access to those records, you can really need them.
Like, it can be...
It's not the kind of thing that I would ever be comfortable snooping on for no reason.
Yeah.
But if it was really needed, it could be like, oh, this changes everything kind of thing.
In that defense, if you did snoop on it for no reason, I don't think there's really a way to do that without majorly alerting the user.
So, like, which...
That's cool, actually.
But yeah, if you want to, like, data retain direct messages that someone has from their, like, work Discord, like, yeah, good luck.
Unless you are creating the Discord accounts for every one of your users, which then becomes, like, an onboarding nightmare and you have to track all this stuff.
And it's just like, I...
I don't know, man.
I...
I think it's cool that you use it.
I actually liked it for a lot of when we used it for Flowplane.
The reason why we stopped was maximum message length and code snippets and a few other things that were problematic back then.
I've heard that those have gotten better and easier to deal with.
I still don't think migrating back to it is fully an option because of some of the things that I just mentioned.
But I honestly...
I really wish that, yeah, Discord would figure that out.
Because the calls on Discord...
The amount of times I've had issues with calls on Slack and Teams that I just know we wouldn't have had these issues on Discord is insane.
Discord calls are solid.
Yeah.
I will have issues in Teams or Slack sometimes.
And certain people that I know will be around on Discord.
I'll jump off the Teams or Slack call and call that person on Discord just to be...
Sometimes...
I've actually done it sometimes with just employees if I have their Discord.
But sometimes I'll do it to friends just to be like, hey, is my mic working and stuff?
And they're like, yeah.
I'm like, okay, bye.
Just hang up right away.
Go back to the work call to be like, okay, now I confirmed it's not...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways.
Their video, their streaming, even just camera, great.
Screen sharing, great.
Never any problems there.
Text chat flows really super well.
Their bot support is fantastic.
There's a lot of things that they have going for them that's really, really good.
Google Podcasts.
Speaking of companies that have things going for them that are good and then just, I don't know.
Google Podcasts goes bye-bye.
See, I actually don't care.
I don't listen to podcasts.
But you seem more passionate about this.
I do, and I use Google Podcasts.
Let me read the thing really quick.
Google Podcasts has finally shut down in the United States.
Is this going to be your Google Play Music?
Because Google Play Music is like, I will die on that hill.
But YouTube Music is a piece of garbage.
And if they just brought Google Play Music back in exactly the form it was in like five
years ago or whenever they discontinued it, it would be better than anything else on the
market.
Well, I agree because I used Google Play Music.
Yeah, it was awesome.
I was a big Google Play Music person.
Why are you using Spotify and stuff like that?
All right.
So anyway, Google Podcasts has finally shut down in the United States and will soon phase
out in the rest of the world as well.
In their announcement last year, the company indicated that they would be focusing on YouTube
Music's podcasting features instead.
Oh, good.
We've heard this before.
Apparently, around 23% of U.S. podcast listeners use YouTube as their primary podcast listening
platform and only 4% use Google Podcasts.
Google's own podcast, made by Google though, isn't available on the YouTube Music app.
Yeah, that's a fun one.
So, why do you care?
Why does this matter?
Like, it's audio, right?
So, does it matter what you play it in?
Just help me out here.
The way that I had mine set up, I don't know if this is normal.
I don't talk to anyone else that listens to podcasts about podcasts.
But I was like subscribed to a couple podcasts and it would download them for me.
So, like when I'm on Wi-Fi, it downloads it.
Yeah.
When I go out for a run or whatever else, it's downloaded.
I don't have to, this helps you, not me, because you pay for my phone plan.
But like, I do run that feature because I actually don't want to just burn through mobile
data for no reason.
I like that it's one specific subscription feed that doesn't have the rest of my YouTube
junk in it.
That's just for podcasts.
So, when I want podcasts, I go to just this thing.
It shows me the podcast that I'm subscribed to and only those.
There's not a like, I don't remember because, I mean, the app's probably gone at this point.
But I think there was, I'm fairly certain there was a menu that I went to that never had any
recommendations or anything.
It was just the things I was subscribed to.
I could see all the most recent things there.
Easy peasy, no problem.
It worked flawlessly.
I saw no reason to need any other thing for using podcasts.
It was perfect.
Just pulled up our podcast, because I guess this is a podcast analytics.
And Google Podcast is the third highest at 8% of...
Yeah, there you go.
So, like, cool, okay, a bunch of people watched Joe Rogan on YouTube.
Did we really need to get rid of Google Podcast because of that?
Like, I don't...
Fun fact, you said the app is probably gone.
Is it still here?
It can be gone, but it can never be forgotten.
I keep the Google Play Music app on my phone.
Just to never forget.
Where's the focus?
I had the Vessel app on my phone for years.
Yeah.
Do I still have Vessel on here?
I don't.
I think I eventually deleted Vessel.
I think I did too.
QV...
Yes, I deleted Vessel.
I think I do have something that you haven't been able to get for years, though.
That isn't Vessel.
Let's see.
Is it the PT demo?
No.
Haha, everybody's sad now.
Let's see.
There should be other platforms that work like what you want, Luke.
Oh, you still can get it.
Okay, cool.
All kind of podcasts work the same way.
It's just an RSS feed, right?
I have a Google phone, and I had the Google app, and it's fine.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't have to worry about it.
There was no, like, ads or anything.
It was free, easy, simple.
That's probably why they got rid of it.
Yeah.
Not profitable enough.
Got him.
Yeah, I don't know.
It just sucks.
Like...
In other good Google news, Google invents the super skip.
Oh.
The source here is Creator Insider.
YouTube is experimenting with a potential new feature.
He's feeling physical pain.
This is great.
Potential new feature called Jump Ahead, which allows premium users to skip immediately to
the best parts of the video they're watching.
This will also be available to creators on their own videos, even if they aren't a premium
subscriber, I guess.
So you can see why the heck this positive feedback loop exists, where the most popular
part of the video is now the only part anybody is watching, and it becomes even more popular.
And then...
So basically, shorts wasn't enough.
They want to turn VODs into shorts.
Brilliant.
If a user has already double-tapped to skip forward, they'll get a jump-ahead button that
takes them to a spot that YouTube's algorithm thinks they might be looking for based on their
previous viewing behavior.
Google, of course, used the term AI multiple times to describe this feature.
Our discussion question is, could this be valuable if implemented properly, or is this
just encouraging us to turn our brains to mush?
Would you get Ed to script a thing that just constantly edits our videos and moves where
the graphs are?
No, because we've got our own that.
The LTT Labs website.
Hey, yeah.
Like, we're going to save you the trouble.
If you don't like videos, then we'll have this sorted out for you in the near future,
okay?
Yeah.
Speaking of which, they've actually got another article up there.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Of course I did.
So it's another GPU, just because that's what we're most set up for right now.
But we're still optimizing a lot of things.
We've made a lot of changes based on your feedback from last time.
And a lot of those changes are already live.
So all that's up here.
All right.
So you can author.
It is more readable, though.
You can share it.
Yeah.
No.
It looks...
Man, it looks pro, dude.
It looks pro.
Links to where to buy.
Purchases may provide compensation.
We had a lot of people sort of asking, are these affiliate links?
Yes.
Yes.
They're affiliate links.
Oh, yeah.
Expand.
You can learn about the hardware.
You can...
We've got some pictures.
We've got work to do on our pictures.
We know that.
I still really like the LumaField scans.
I know.
They look so cool.
So cool.
I would jump to these articles just to see that.
I think those are so cool.
Yeah.
That thing as well.
We have a dedicated video coming on the LumaField CT scanner.
Man.
Oh.
We scanned Buzz Lightyear from the tech shop.
Just scanned all kinds of cool stuff for that.
Yeah.
It was Alex in charge of that video.
So, you know, we scanned some memes.
And not going to lie, like, looking at the charts on here is a great experience.
Yep.
There it is.
You can...
If you guys didn't watch last time, then...
Here.
I think it's up here.
Yep.
You can configure what colors you like for charts.
If you are colorblind or have any other kind of impairment that makes it difficult, you
can change the theme of the site, change between imperial and metric units.
Super cool.
I have feedback from my own site.
Ma, ma, ma.
Ma, ma, ma.
You can just, you know, see whatever charts it is you feel like looking at.
What's the best card for 4K Rocket League?
Well, basically anything.
Okay.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, Cyberpunk.
Hey, here we go.
Freaking awesome.
Oh, wait.
Hold on a second.
What if I want to know about ray tracing performance?
I guess I could see that here.
F-123.
Oh, we only do 14 for...
That actually kind of makes sense.
Uh, so there's our ray tracing performance.
And productivity.
Oh, yes.
And a bench GPU.
Yeah, man.
It's going to be great once we've got...
Oh.
Ooh.
Can I add to the comparison bin?
And add this to the comparison bin?
Oh, there's a faster way to do this.
Boop.
Add to the comparison.
Does the comparison bin work?
No way.
Okay.
So I can see the highlights.
I can see the tested settings.
I can see their supported features.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Dun-dun-dun.
OEM technologies.
I can see what test bench they were tested on
to make sure that they are comparable.
Very cool.
I can be linked to this product
if it were to exist at some point.
Oh, that's just to buy it.
Okay.
Well, it'd be cool if that could go to the...
our product page for it eventually.
Eventually, when we have it.
Maybe...
I kind of like the affiliate link thing there,
so maybe we could actually have things for both or something.
Super cool.
Gotta make money somehow.
You know, we just want to make things...
We just want to make things easier.
I'm cool with both.
I'm cool with both.
We can link to the review and the affiliate, but...
We just want to make things easier, okay?
And, uh...
It would be nice in the long term
to standardize our testing
to the point where we can,
with a high degree of confidence,
show you both cards on the same graph.
But as it is now,
there's a lot of work to do
before we can do that with confidence.
It's a dangerous step.
Yeah.
It's a cool step.
Yeah.
It's a dangerous step.
Because I think there's going to be a time in the future
where people are going to want,
and we are going to want to fulfill the need for this,
people are going to want to compare things
that weren't tested apples to apples.
So if we can figure out,
through similar work to what we did
when we were testing our 7800X3Ds
to see which ones were close enough,
if we can do the work to figure out
what those error bars should look like,
we would like to be able to present that data
with asterisks, right?
Because we can't test every single GPU
under every single circumstance.
So if it's like,
yeah, okay,
these are both on the same graph,
but note that this one is using
a generation newer driver
or even faster RAM
when we had upgraded our test platform
or something like that.
In time.
In time.
Sorry, I wanted to get that.
Very exciting though.
Man, the team's worked so hard.
All right, what else we got today?
Oh, Truth Social.
I can't believe we've never talked about Truth Social.
Have we not?
We've like mentioned it in passing.
It's a big social media site.
Is it?
They went public.
Oh.
Yeah, their valuation.
Valuation.
8 billion?
8 billion dollars.
Yep, IPO a few weeks ago,
March 26th under the ticker code DJT.
It closed the day at almost 8 billion dollars.
The site has around 5 million active monthly users.
And then 7 days later,
FEC filings showed
that it had lost 58 million dollars in 2023.
And made 4.8 million dollars in revenue.
Isn't that better than what Twitter was doing?
Uh, no.
I thought Twitter was losing like a lot more than that.
Right, but Twitter had revenue.
And like user growth.
User growth.
Mm, yeah.
So users aren't growing.
Got it.
Yeah.
Following this revelation,
the stock began to crater.
Yeah.
Wait, yeah, what?
The ticker code is DJT?
Yeah.
That took me a second to like,
someone in float plane chat questioned it.
And I was like, hold on.
There's been a bunch of behind the scenes shenanigans.
Oh, come on.
Former President Donald Trump sued a couple of his co-founders
in an apparent attempt to consolidate shares in the company.
A pair of brothers who were early investors
pled guilty to insider trading
related to the merger of Digital World Acquisition Corp.
and Truth Social's parent company.
So that was part of the SPAC deal that took it public.
Um, I don't know how much it's worth right now.
Let's, let's go have a look.
Oh, no, not Dow Jones Transportation.
Um.
That came up for me too.
I mean, it's a more relevant stock.
Why, why am I not just getting,
why am I not just getting a proper stupid thing here?
Yeah, weird.
Not Digital World Acquisition.
Oh, man.
I just want,
oh, well, okay.
It's a trending,
it's apparently a trending ticker.
So here, hold on.
I just, all I have to do is click it.
Of course it is.
There we go.
All right.
So, uh, how are we doing here?
So at launch,
is there even a month of history yet?
No.
Yeah, so at launch,
it actually went up,
which is, uh,
which is something.
Um.
And then I.
This is honestly not as bad as I expected.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's only down from a high of 75.
75-ish to, uh, 40.
Yeah.
Which, if you put a lot of,
what, if you put a meaningful amount of your money into it,
you'd probably be pretty disappointed about.
Oh, absolutely.
But we've seen worse.
Maybe I'm just desensitized from looking at coins.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Anyway, the only,
the only thing,
the only really,
the only thing that we're really,
um,
the only reason we're really bringing this up is,
this is not financial advice,
but,
Oh.
Do not f*** with this stock.
People smarter than you,
who have been playing the game longer than you,
are manipulating this,
both up and down.
You do not want to be caught holding the bag.
This is not a real social media platform.
There is no real business model.
Watch out.
4.8 million dollars in revenue.
Truth Social is a smaller,
less profitable company
than Linus Media Group Incorporated.
In fact,
hold on.
Time to raise that 8 billion, dude.
Hold on a second.
Let's go.
Hold on a second.
Build a heck of a lab.
In revenue.
You're going to tell people revenue?
In revenue.
Okay.
It is,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
just relax.
Oh my goodness.
Can people reverse engineer it?
Look at his hands.
He's like,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
No.
So in,
in revenue,
in revenue,
it is,
not even triple the size
of float plane media ink.
Yeah.
I never even did that.
Okay.
And I have intentionally
fudged things a little.
Hey man,
I'm down with less than a,
just a little bit less than
a third of 8 billion dollars.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Just to give you guys
some,
some much needed context.
If
Truth Social
is worth
8 billion dollars,
float plane media ink
is at least
a 2 and a half billion dollar company.
So we're,
we're going,
we're going out for stakes
after this.
It's,
it's not.
Sorry.
You can get a higher approval limit
now,
Luke.
Yeah.
We can get new pens.
New pens.
New pens would be awesome.
The only pen on my desk
is one someone gave to me.
Float plane media,
float plane media
is also more profitable
than Truth Social.
That's,
yeah,
I mean,
the fundamentals.
I would hope it would be.
Do we?
Wow,
Luke,
he did the bare minimum.
Look at you.
You're not like,
you know,
down 10x your revenue?
Wow.
Oh.
So,
watch out.
I mean,
should we take float plane public?
No.
I could use a billion dollars.
I,
you know,
if we're going to raise,
if we're going to raise a big B,
I'm down with it.
Yeah.
Let's go.
I mean,
heck yeah.
I mean,
pajama pants for all.
No pants at work.
Let's just,
I mean,
we've got a billion dollars in the bank.
Who cares?
Yeah.
Yeah.
People like,
shut up and take my money.
Do it.
Do it.
Guys,
guys,
no,
you shouldn't invest in float plane.
No,
that wasn't my point.
My point.
If you guys collectively have a billion dollars.
Yeah.
My point wasn't to invest in float plane.
My point was,
do not get mixed up in this truth social thing because whatever you bet,
if you bet it's going up,
it's going to go down.
If you bet it's going down,
it's going to go up.
It is being manipulated on both sides.
Be smart.
Be smart.
That's,
that's all I really wanted to say that Riley was super worried when I was like,
yeah,
we're going to talk about truth social on the show.
He's like,
like,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
I'll put all my Linus coin in float plane.
Heck yeah.
Hey,
when's the ICO voice?
man,
if we were willing to grift hard,
man,
ah,
we could have made so much more money.
Could have made so much more money.
Yeah.
Ah,
sometimes I wish we were eviler.
There's been a few discussions where we're like,
wow,
we could really do this.
Hey,
the best time to start.
Can you believe how much money there is in promoting gambling?
Oh,
man.
Oh,
you could have probably over doubled the company revenue,
and I'm not kidding.
I know.
Yeah.
I know.
People might think you heard the valuation that was,
or at least the proposed evaluation that happened a while ago.
That would just,
you would completely blow it out of the water.
It wouldn't even be close.
It wouldn't even be sort of close.
It might be significantly more than 2x,
actually.
Like,
there is.
Trust me,
I've seen offers.
A disgusting amount of money.
Offers come,
it's not that we don't promote gambling because we never got contacted.
Come on.
Don't kid yourself.
I know creators personally,
because I don't think I've seen our offers,
actually,
but I've seen offers to other creators.
I know creators personally that have received offers for gambling sponsorships
that are many times bigger than other unrelated to gambling offers that I've seen us receive and take
because we thought they were good.
This creator,
in particular,
if I remember correctly,
was significantly less than like a tenth of our size.
It's just monster money.
It's crazy.
I know you wonder like.
Turns out stealing people's money is good business.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I shouldn't say stealing.
You gave it to them.
Sure.
Yeah.
But just taking people's money is good business.
It's almost like planty time.
No.
No.
It's a lot less than ten to smaller.
Yeah.
That's an inside reference.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah,
it was incredible amounts of money.
And you think too,
when it's like
smaller creators.
I can see why they do it.
It's got to be hard.
It's life changing.
It's like.
You've got medical bills.
It's make or break.
If you're supporting people.
Yeah.
If money's super tight
and someone knocks on your door
and is like,
hey.
This is a really important point
because I have the luxury.
Like I have to,
I have to step back
and appreciate
that I have the luxury
to say no.
We can make it without it.
Yep.
That was a big moment for me
was when we reached the point
where I could walk away
from any deal.
Yeah.
And it,
from any company
and it wouldn't matter.
Yeah.
Because we,
we walked away from some deals
early on,
but it hurt.
Man,
we've walked away from entire relationships.
NVIDIA's back though.
You saw that sponsored video.
Yeah.
They're back.
Upgrading our worst setup.
Jessica making,
not her on-screen debut
because she's been on WAN show before
and stuff like that,
but this is the first time
in a mainline LTT video.
I thought she did a great job.
We really,
really improved her setup.
So if you haven't watched it yet,
you're going to want to check it out.
Her podcasting setup
was literally in a closet.
Sorry.
And it still is,
but it's a better closet.
Improved closet.
New and improved.
Closet two.
Now with 30% more closet.
Do you move a wall?
Someone in full plane chat
and golden 2020 said
nearly $200 million
US dollars
were bet in North Carolina's
first week
of legalized sports betting.
Wow.
How are there even
$200 billion?
Million.
Oh,
that makes way more sense.
Yeah.
Even so.
I might have said billion.
I meant million.
That's a fifth of a B.
Yeah.
Like.
That's a fifth of the valuation
flow plane.
Sometimes I do,
sometimes I do wonder,
sometimes I do wonder,
having the community
that we have,
if we were just like,
hey,
realistically,
we're pretty upfront
with you guys anyway.
So what?
We just formalize this.
We release quarterly earnings reports
and blah,
blah,
blah,
blah,
blah.
And if you want to give us your money,
I just keep all the controlling shares
kind of like Zuck did.
And like,
sure,
by all means.
And then what,
like,
I just,
maybe I just lack creativity,
but I wouldn't know what to do with it.
Like,
let's say our valuation wasn't $8 billion.
Let's say it was
$8 million.
Okay.
More than that.
Let's say it was $80 million.
What would I even do?
I have a,
I don't know if it's a spicy take or not.
I have a take on this.
It feels like a spicy take.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let's hear a spicy take.
What,
what would we do?
I think you need to not.
I think you'd go insane.
Not because there's so many things
you could spend your money on,
but because you'd need a new thing to chase
and you'd have so much money
that would be so hard.
You'd have to like make a fab
or something ridiculous.
Like it would be,
but like think about it.
Okay.
Not that.
We couldn't afford that
with $80 million.
No,
but that's the point.
Oh.
Because he does this.
We'll like,
we'll like be
very successful
and then he'll be like,
okay,
now we're going to do this crazy thing
and I'm going to go super negative.
I'm going to risk it all.
We're going to,
I'm going to like leverage
all the different things.
We're going to do all this
other kind of stuff
and we're going to do this.
It's going to be successful.
We're going to be fine.
So this is why
I don't promote gambling
because I have a problem.
But it's like,
usually the plan's really good
and it like,
yeah,
we will actually be fine.
It usually works.
It has worked,
I think,
every time.
Well,
some are TBD,
but I'm feeling good.
I'm feeling good.
But,
Linus will get too comfortable
and then he's like,
I need something.
I got to,
I got to buy a building,
figure out something to put in it.
Start a game publisher.
Yeah,
like,
stuff we've kicked,
stuff we've kicked the tires on.
Start a system integrator.
There's so many ideas.
Man,
when we did that video,
upgrading my game gear
and David's Game Boy Advance,
I was like,
I had,
we had,
you and I had a conversation.
Yeah.
About starting a company.
I was like,
man,
the problems in this space
are that there's,
it's like,
I can have a reliable source
for the part,
a good price,
or fast.
Pick one to two.
Yeah.
Right?
Often one.
Often one.
And so,
I was like,
man,
if we could,
we make like a,
like a retro console,
you know,
modding,
like one stop shop
where we,
we basically take on
the inventory risk
of,
you know,
ordering enough
that these small
manufacturers can afford
to do a run of
stupid game gear
backlights
or whatever it is.
So,
so we hold the inventory.
We use our brand,
we use our trusted brand
to give people confidence
in,
in the product.
We,
we stand behind the product
with the trust me bro guarantee.
We,
we continue to expand
by taking our storeroom
of parts
and allowing people
to ship in their consoles.
So we hire technicians
to perform upgrades
for people
and offer it as a service.
Like there's a whole,
there's a whole roadmap
here boys.
I,
I actually ran the numbers.
I think we could get it started
for probably less than
150 grand.
Like,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
I don't need another project.
Part of his problem
is that he surrounds himself
with people like me.
So I'm just gonna be like,
yeah,
cool.
Let's do it.
It is cool.
It is.
A lot of the ideas are cool.
It's a great idea.
But this is a problem.
If you just suddenly
had 80 million dollars.
Oh yeah.
You're gonna be like,
we'd do 80 ideas.
Yeah.
You're not wrong.
Yeah.
You're not wrong.
See,
that's the thing.
It's like,
a lot of people talk about
that offer we got.
Like,
like I have,
like I have,
like that's in the bank.
How many figures is that?
I don't remember.
Nine.
Like I have nine figures
in the bank.
It doesn't,
it doesn't work like that.
That's,
that's theoretical.
That's theoretical net worth.
It's not,
it's not real.
And if I,
if I were to sell it today,
it's probably not worth that much.
That was based on the kind of
exponential growth
that we were experiencing
at that time.
We've gotten,
things are a little bit
in more of a mature state
right now.
And we've also got some big bets
that are taking time
to reach fruition.
But yeah,
we don't,
we don't have that kind of actual
like cash reserves
just sitting around.
It's not really how businesses work
and borrowing is so expensive
right now.
To be clear,
I'm not going to complain
because a lot of people
are worried about the borrowing
that they're doing
on their bloody homes
and how to figure out
how to pay their mortgage payments.
But it's been challenging
on the business side as well
without just free money
flowing the way that it did.
So yeah,
we just,
you know,
we just got to pick our battles.
But yeah,
I think,
I think going public
would be
unnecessary.
We've,
we've talked about it
a lot internally
and I just don't,
I think,
I mean,
realistically,
I've told,
I've told Taron,
he's got the wheel.
Like nothing's off the table
if he wants to like,
if he thinks that's the right path
and he's,
you know,
free to make a case
and try and do it
and make a go of it.
But I don't,
I don't see.
I don't think he would want to anyways.
I could see,
I've kind of wondered before
about like a part
of the business,
a particular part
for some reason.
Like maybe,
maybe you actually wanted,
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe for some reason,
not even necessarily
to raise money.
Let's say something wild.
Like we started,
remember that gaming hotel
I stayed in
like five years ago?
Yeah.
So if we were to start
like a gaming hotel business.
Okay.
And it's a complete spinoff.
It's got like LTT branding on it.
It's like there's gaming systems
in every room.
But other than that,
it has no financial tie
to Linus Media Group
or Floatplane
or the Labs of Creator Warehouse.
The themed rooms you could do
would be wild.
Oh,
that'd be so cool.
With gaming IPs?
Well,
or even like hardware IPs?
I don't know how,
I don't know how gaming IPs
would work.
If everything you buy
is licensed,
does anything restrict you
from putting it
in a commercial space?
Oh,
I was even thinking
getting them to like
pay you to do it.
Potentially some.
I mean,
there's certainly companies
that would not give us
the time of day,
but.
But if not,
yeah,
what are they,
what are they going to do?
Like if you have a,
a figure of a plumber
who goes into pipes
sometimes.
I mean,
the company you're talking about.
Got the figure.
I'm sure they'd find a way.
Maybe they'll do it.
Is there,
is there a terms,
a terms of service
of buying a figurine?
I mean,
if it's an amiibo,
I bet there is.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I wonder about that.
That's something you'd have to ask,
but you'd have to ask the lawyers.
But if you created it yourself,
like if you drew it,
I think you'd be in trouble.
Interesting.
Nobody goes after like,
you know,
the,
the local Tim Hortons that,
you know,
draws a Christmas scene on their thing
and then wipes it in January or whatever.
But in terms of like,
if you are offering a plumber room
at your gaming hotel
and you've like custom created
Mario alike assets,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
because that's,
that's a commercial endeavor.
You are effectively selling access to Mario's likeness.
Like there's no way.
Yeah.
Tim SP asks,
are you going to talk about all the geek squad layoffs
that came out in the past couple of days?
Does it change how you look back at your experience,
having them try to fix a machine for you?
I mean,
my experience was my experience.
I,
I take back nothing of what we said.
I think,
I think Best Buy owes me a refund.
They did not fix my problem.
They charged me 200 Canadian rubles.
I haven't watched it yet,
but as an ex member of geek squad,
it just makes me sad.
Um,
as for,
as for the layoffs,
that's extremely sad because like so many corporate layoffs,
this feels like one where it comes down to mismanagement,
right?
Like whether you overhired or whether you're not bringing in business well enough,
it's not the fault of those frontline agents,
right?
That,
that customers aren't coming in.
And it's part of it.
Honestly,
computers just don't have as many problems these days.
I mean,
that's,
that's,
that's fair,
but also,
oh man,
that's a tough one.
Cause it's not like,
it's not like geek squad is something that,
um,
it's not like they haven't had plenty of opportunities to observe a slow decline in unreliability and,
and adjust their staffing levels accordingly.
I just,
I don't know if I buy that as an excuse.
Yeah,
that's fair.
I just scrolled down to where people are talking about,
um,
just like Nintendo and Amiibos.
You don't own the Amiibo.
You bought a license to look at it at Nintendo's convenience.
Yeah,
exactly.
Oh my goodness.
Love it.
All right.
In other news,
the indie game gold rush seems to be over.
Red Hook and Metacrit,
the developers for Darkest Dungeon and Slay the Spire respectively,
say that funding has dried up for indie games.
I think it's Megacrit.
Oh,
sorry.
Yeah,
that makes way more sense.
Uh,
notably sources like exclusive deals for the Epic Game Store and Xbox Game Pass,
which have both slowed significantly.
They say that most other devs they've talked to have reported a similar experience of finding
typical funding streams significantly cut back or canceled.
Both studios say they're lucky to be in the position to self-fund,
but they'll be putting on a triple I showcase of upcoming indie titles on April 10th to give other
indie developers more visibility.
That's a really cool thing to do.
That is very cool.
And,
uh,
we'd love to see what comes out of that.
That's,
uh,
that's five days from now.
Our discussion question is,
is this the end of the indie boom or just a gully?
And I,
I don't think anything's going to stop the indie boom.
If anything,
I think we're going to see another boom from all the talented people.
that are getting let go from the major development houses right now.
Yeah.
Um,
they're going to need to do something and their experience is game development.
So you put two and two together.
And I talk about that in the flow plane exclusive where I said,
I was going to talk about Starfield and ended up talking about the game industry.
I talked about that exact same thing.
Very nice.
Yeah.
Uh,
mega crit.
They,
they make Slay the Spire.
I'm a massive,
ridiculous Slay the Spire nerd.
Um,
you know,
when the,
the whole,
unity thing went down and he got weird with their life.
Which one?
Yeah,
I think it was,
I think it was one of the more recent ones,
but that is kind of funny.
Um,
mega crit responded by looking into Godot essentially.
And they made a free game called dancing duelists.
And it's actually like amazing new game from mega crit.
This was about six months ago,
which lines up pretty well.
I think with the last time that unity went a little crazy.
Um,
it's a,
it's a deck building game similar to how,
so the Spire is a deck building game,
but it plays completely differently.
And it's very fun,
free little game.
You can like essentially fully beat it.
Um,
in like probably,
I don't know,
a day or two or something,
but I,
I would check it out.
Mega crit.
It's super cool.
Yeah.
Uh,
what else do we have for topics today?
Outlook's been doing some sketchy stuff.
Uh,
email service Proton is accusing Microsoft's new Outlook app of being a massive net for user data collection.
Oh.
According to users in Europe who downloaded the app,
a pop-up user agreement discloses that Microsoft shares users' information with 801 third-party partners.
The app also prompts users to pick their own ads layout for where advertisements will appear in the app.
Mac users will have some ads that appear as inbox messages both from Microsoft and from other parties.
UK users can access a list of advertising partners in the Outlook settings menu,
which shows a large number of ad companies.
These settings are unavailable in the US and Switzerland where Proton is based.
While UK users have some ability to refuse to share with certain advertisers,
this appears to be purposefully confusing with some advertisers requiring affirmative consent while others require an opt-out.
According to German IT experts at Heiss Online,
this new Outlook also takes IMAP and SMTP credentials,
your username and password,
from other accounts synced with the Outlook app,
which would also give the company access to emails from those other accounts,
even if you cancel because they've already stored that information.
Germany's Federal Commissioner for Data Protection and Freedom of Information, Ulrich Kelber,
has expressed concern about the app's data farming capabilities
and announced that he intends to discuss the issue with relevant regulators in the coming week,
Common EU Win.
I suspect the same stuff is not happening to Enterprise Outlook accounts.
I mean, who knows?
But, you know what is happening?
Somebody tried to corrupt Linux from the inside.
Yeah, there's been some unfortunate things going on.
A single off-hours Microsoft engineer has apparently foiled a long-con attempt
to embed a serious security backdoor into a widely distributed Linux utility.
Developer Andres Frund was spending his long weekend
doing some micro-benchmarking
when he noticed that encrypted logins
to, excuse me,
um,
okay,
lib-l-z-m-a,
sorry, not sure how to pronounce that,
um,
were using a surprising amount of CPU.
He tracked the issue to a backdoor
in the upstream-xz-utils repository,
which appears to inject malicious code
during SSH authorization
in order to enable unauthorized remote access.
The backdoor appears to have been added in February
and never managed to make its way
into the production release of a major distro.
It was uncovered in beta versions
of Fedora Rawhide and Debian,
which have been rolled back accordingly.
Frund tracked the changes
to a user who goes by
Jiatan or Jiat-75,
who has been a regular contributor
since October of 2021.
However,
there is no evidence
that this person even exists
outside of their presence
as a Project XZ contributor,
leading some security researchers
to speculate
that they might be
a single-purpose identity
created by a state-sponsored attacker.
Jiat-75 is believed
to have gradually amassed
increasingly invasive permissions,
in part by making
genuine code contributions,
but also possibly
through a sock puppet campaign
to pressure the original dev
to speed up development
by opening those permissions
to others.
Absolutely insidious.
Which makes you wonder
how much of this
did make it through
at some point.
Yeah, I mean,
this type of stuff
has happened before.
Like, the login credentials
for contributors
to open-source projects
that are widely used
are, like,
very valuable
to, like,
maintainer accounts
and whatnot.
It doesn't happen
very often,
I think.
I just said it's happened before.
I didn't say it
said it happened often.
Because I think
that community is, like,
pretty on the nose
about this type of stuff.
There's,
there's,
it's relatively commonly said
that, like,
open-source stuff
is generally more secure
because more people
are looking at it.
It doesn't mean
it's immune
to security problems.
It just means
it can potentially
be more secure.
It does,
it definitely doesn't mean
it is more secure.
You can have projects
that are abandoned.
You can have
not eyeballs on it.
It doesn't automatically
mean a lot of people
are looking at it
and assessing it.
But, yeah,
it sucks.
It, just another reminder
that absolutely nothing
is fully secure
at any point in time.
And that's it.
Yeah, it's frustrating
to see this kind of thing
degrade trust
in open-source overall.
I, um,
I would say overall
you're probably
still better off there.
Yeah, it's,
like I just said,
everything has problems.
Everything has problems.
You shouldn't have been
blindly trusting
open-source.
Um,
you also shouldn't
blindly trust
some closed-source
application from somebody else.
Nope.
Um, so it is what it is.
You also shouldn't
blindly trust Twitter.
It turns out
there's still a bunch
of hypocrites
when it comes to privacy.
I know, right?
No way.
The Intercept
has acquired emails
between the Secret Service
and surveillance firm
DataMiner
that show that
Elon Musk's X
has continued
secretly selling
massive amounts
of user data
for the explicit purpose
of government surveillance.
This goes against
X Twitter's
own use policy
which forbids
conducting or providing
surveillance
or gathering intelligence.
So it's only okay
when we do it
for money.
While Twitter is not
directly selling
this information
to the government,
it is knowingly
leasing the information
to an intermediary broker
which is immediately
turning it over
to the government
for law enforcement
and surveillance purposes.
For the last decade,
Twitter has also been
pursuing a lawsuit
demanding that they be
allowed to publicly
disclose more information
about national security
letters that the government
uses to compel
social media companies
to turn over user data.
Musk continued the suit
after taking over the site
and called the Supreme Court's
January decision
to strike the case down
disappointing.
Discussion question here is
Twitter's hypocrisy
obviously predates
Musk's tenure
but how has an overt
free speech advocate
managed to wind up
with such a similar stance
on cooperating
with government surveillance
as the people
he sought to usurp?
I actually have a feeling
that it has less to do
with financial incentives
and more has to do
with like
you must do this.
I mean,
you don't have to
take money for it.
I have a feeling
there isn't really
another option.
It's like here
take the money
or we'll just destroy
you anyways.
I don't know.
Not sure.
I mean,
I would be interested
to see if there's
a similar arrangement
with Meta.
I'd be curious
to see if there's
a similar arrangement
with, you know,
a Discord.
I mean, we know
this just happened
with YouTube.
Yeah, but that's
not really the same
arrangement.
Yeah, yeah.
They weren't selling
to data brokers
for it to be used
for government surveillance.
I really don't think
that's the same thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
All I'm really
trying to say is
right now, at least,
if the government
wants your stuff,
for the most part,
they're going to get it.
This is why
companies that like
really, really, really
talk about privacy
don't have anything.
They don't have
any of the information
so that when the government
comes knocking,
they literally can't
give it to them.
It's not a function.
Which, to be clear,
is not something
that you can
necessarily trust either.
No.
I mean,
a lot of VPN providers
say, oh, yeah,
no logs.
No logs.
But you are just,
it's full,
trust me, bro.
You can't prove
they don't have anything
unless it's actually
been tested in court
before.
And even then,
just because it's
been tested once
doesn't mean
that something
didn't change.
Something can change
on a whim.
Also, it doesn't mean
that there isn't
like a malicious actor
in there somehow
who is logging
personally.
Yep.
Yeah.
Like it's,
it's,
yeah,
I don't know.
It's a thing.
I think the main
thing that I'm trying
to say is that
I don't trust
that it would
completely stop
even if there
wasn't financial
incentive.
I don't trust
that it would
completely stop,
but it might be
different.
It might be
smaller in scope.
It's not in the
doc,
but apparently
like it's,
it's,
it's basically
like an all
you can eat
API access
is my understanding
of it.
It's like,
no,
it's like,
it's bad.
Yeah.
It's really bad.
I had never heard
of this.
I don't know
the scope of it
or how much money
is being used.
Yeah.
I mean,
it's one of those
things where if
the hypocrisy
wasn't already
obvious when,
when he sued
that,
that watchdog group
that like anti
hate speech
watchdog group
for saying stuff
he didn't like.
Really?
Yeah.
It's like free
speech is not
just speech
you agree with.
It's free speech.
Oh wait,
was this the
anti-defamation
league stuff?
No,
I don't think
it was them.
I think it was
someone else.
I don't know.
Basically,
I like actually
try not to
follow it
because it just.
Yeah,
there's a not-for-profit
that reported
on an increase
in hate speech
and that may be
true.
That may be
not true.
He might agree.
He might not
agree.
But what it,
what they said
was,
was free speech.
It was free speech
and so you can't
just be like,
no,
I don't like
that free speech
and try to sue
them to not say
it.
I will say it.
It's not what the,
you can't be a
free speech
absolutist if you
are going to
selectively.
Yeah,
it's not how it
works.
Yeah,
I,
yeah,
I always hated
Twitter.
I will absolutely
admit it is more
useless now than
like ever.
It is still up.
A ton of people
were saying it was
going to go down
and I was like,
I don't think so.
And I got a lot
of hate for that
and it's still up.
So it is still up.
Screw you guys.
Yeah,
but it is definitely
more useless.
The amount of like,
I think there's more
spam now.
I have no,
scientific reason
to think this.
There is.
But it sure as heck
feels like it.
So much spam.
Oh my goodness.
I can't even.
It's like overran.
Man,
when I,
when I click a
trending topic,
it's hard for me to
even find out why
it's trending
sometimes.
Okay,
I felt that before
the buyout.
I never had that
problem.
Interesting.
Usually the first
20 or so were
relevant enough and
had enough likes that
I could,
I could tell,
you know,
is it,
are they dead?
Is it pedophilia?
You know,
like,
like what is it?
Why,
why are they
trending?
You know?
Yeah.
Now I will click
on something and
I'm actually not
sure for,
and sometimes I will
even go as far as
just giving up and
Googling name
controversy to find
out what the heck
is going on.
It's,
it's pretty,
I definitely use it
less than I ever
have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I,
and I,
and I don't,
that's true for me
as well.
And I don't even
really think I'm
using it less
because like Musk
bought it.
I'm just using it
less because like,
meh.
Well,
you've made your
position very clear.
Yeah.
Never liked it.
You've always considered
it a dumpster fire.
I still need to use it
for DMs.
Yeah.
So I'm still on it a
little bit,
but I think my,
I think my app limit
right now is like three
minutes or five minutes
or something.
Like it's really short.
But realistically you're
objectively wrong
because even a trash tier
crappier clone of it
is worth eight billion
dollars.
So you've clearly
missed something here.
Oh man.
Yeah.
That's okay though.
The purchase price for
Twitter.
That's all right.
Was a bargain.
Based on the value
of Truth Social.
That's a,
that's a,
that's a really
interesting take actually.
What do you pay?
44 million?
It was,
it was 40 something.
He should write
the art of the deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um,
incredible deal.
Absolutely incredible deal.
The best deal.
Um,
hey.
A,
a co-authored book
between Musk and Trump
on making deals.
There's no way
they'd be able to agree
on whose name goes
first on the cover.
Please.
Oh man.
It's like,
it's like,
it's one of those
reflective ones
where you have to like
look at it,
right way to have
the name show up,
but then they fight about.
Well,
who gets to be
the one on the right?
Yeah,
he stole my joke.
And that's why
my name would go first.
Oh man.
That was pretty funny.
Oh,
terrible.
I,
I love that joke.
I don't know if it
landed with the audience,
but I thought it was hilarious.
I think you did great.
Thanks.
It was pretty funny.
Uh,
we have a good pivot.
I can't find the topic though.
The,
uh,
Google SEO thing.
Oh,
wow.
This is a huge topic.
How did it take us this long
to get to it?
House fresh.
By the way,
I've never heard of this website
before.
Me neither.
Potentially because Google's
squashing it.
This is a very well written article.
And this,
I know I read some other stuff
on the site.
It seems great.
Cool.
I'd like actually like
want to use this site now.
Yep.
So hopefully you guys
find it interesting too.
Yep.
This writeup is fantastic.
It's really long.
We're not going to be able
to cover it all.
You should go to the website,
housefresh.com.
This particular one is
David versus digital Goliaths.
Yeah.
Yep.
Incredibly well written.
But we'll give you the kind of
the,
the summary that is going to
tell you enough to make you
want to go read the article
and find out how you are
being misled.
This is something that I have
been aware of for a long time.
It's something that I am
aware is getting worse.
It's was the major,
major motivator that made me
ultimately say,
okay,
we need to build a testing lab.
Yeah.
So clearly it's something
that I believe in very strongly,
but hearing someone else
express it way better than I
could dive really far into
the intricacies of like how
and,
and patterns and all this
other type of stuff,
how product testing is dying.
Yeah.
And why?
And like being stomped on its
head while it's being buried
at the same.
So house fresh,
a product review site that
focuses on air purifiers has
published a,
an incredible analysis on how
a small set of large media
publishers are gaming Google
search by flooding the web
with lazy listicles that
recommend products that they
have never even touched.
It's it's lazy listicles is
fun alliteration.
I would go as far as to say
it's basically fraud.
According to house fresh,
these articles are all
extremely similar to one
another,
at least in part because they
are all entirely based on
Amazon listing information and
marketing materials put out by
the manufacturers.
These articles are branded under
well-known,
seemingly reputable names like
Buzzfeed,
Forbes,
Popular Science,
and Rolling Stone,
but they are sharply lower in
quality and effort than most of
their other articles.
To the point where it can be
kind of jarring actually.
And they,
and they,
they talk through how this
happened with large,
um,
hold on a second.
Yeah.
With large media publishers
acquiring the rights to these
names and then leaving only
skeleton crews in place to
continue publishing a little bit
of good stuff to keep the
reputation going while just
lazily dumping garbage,
affiliate revenue,
maximizing crap down people's
throats.
While House Fresh says that
Google's product review updates
generally improve the ranking of
articles that actually provide
independent information and
thorough research,
consumers looking to make an
educated purchase are still
having to wade through countless
reviews from people who have
never even seen the thing in
person.
And this is absolutely something
that I've experienced,
but something that I didn't dig
deep enough to understand just
how broken it is.
Like there's this one air
purifier that they kind of go
into in the article because
they tested it and it
fundamentally doesn't work and
is loud and is expensive.
And they're just like,
they're sitting there going,
there is no way on this green
earth that anybody who knows
anything tested this and
recommended it.
And yet it tops all of these
recommendation lists and they
basically dug into it and are
like,
oh,
it's because it pays the most
affiliate commission.
And we've talked about this
before.
Um,
remember I figured out why
$80,000 area rugs exist and
it turns out it's because
interior designers get paid a
percentage of the total bill.
Well,
the higher the price,
the better the listicle
commission because it's
percentage based.
So you're basically being
misled to buy a more expensive
thing and it's disguised as
editorial content.
I mean,
it's one thing if it is an
ad and adds an ad a
properly disclosed ad like
when Miss Vicky's paid me to
tell you about their zero
trans fat,
low and saturated fat,
no preservatives,
kettle chips.
Uh,
that's what the style of chips
is called,
right?
I don't know.
It doesn't.
Yeah.
Kettle cooked potato chip.
Okay.
They didn't sponsor us,
but the point is when
something is clearly
disclosed,
it's an ad.
It's clear that these
talking points are coming
from the manufacturer,
but these listicles are not,
they're not disclosed.
It's not clear what the
relationship is and it seems
like editorial content and
some of the people publishing
these,
if they're people at all,
or writing these rather,
some of the people writing
these,
assuming they are people,
are publishing so many of
these that there is just,
there is no feasible way
that they have ever even laid
hands on these products and
I've seen it before.
I bought windshield wipers for
my Tycan from one of these
listicles that ended up not
being compatible because they
never actually tried it.
Yeah.
I made it compatible.
Dan's into it.
Dan's very into that.
So much respect.
So let's go.
But they weren't.
But like actually though.
So yeah,
you need to go read it.
Dan,
can we get this linked in the
description as well?
This is really,
really,
really important.
This is why we're building the
lab because it is so hard to
find good information anymore.
And they lay out a really
convincing and scary case for
why it's going to get so much
harder.
I genuinely don't think
there's been very many
articles,
maybe even single digit that
are like more beneficial to
go read instead of just
listen to what we've said.
There is so much information
in this.
It's actually dense.
It's crazy.
Dense with two S's.
It's really long and it's
very dense.
Each individual paragraph is
interesting.
Like actually go read it.
Yep.
And it actually really
matters because.
You need to send this to
anyone you know who shops
online.
Yeah.
Basically.
Or looks for basically any
information.
Because it shows you just how
easily gamed the system is.
And House Fresh doesn't even
blame Google outright for this.
Yeah.
It's clear that this is a case
where Google is in good faith
trying to do the right thing
and surface accurate
information.
They talk about that which
is interesting.
But there's just.
It's not working.
The avalanche of bullshit
is just.
It's burying any nuggets of
good information because.
And we know this.
We know this from building the
lab.
Testing products properly is
really freaking hard.
It's a ton of work.
I mean.
Oh man.
We showed off the latest
draft of power supply circuit
internally.
And even internally.
There's a lot of commentary
on for example the the AI
voiceover that we're using
and the kind of monotonous
sort of scripted shots.
And they're like I don't
understand the value of this.
And it's like whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa whoa.
This is completely different
from anything we've done in
the past.
Encyclopedia.
The value is not in the
entertainment for this at
all.
It's just that we understand
that consumers are going to
look for information in
video form.
Even though this really would
be better off as an article
and an article will be
available.
But we understand people are
going to be looking for this
information in video.
And if we look at what
other similar power supply
focused videos are doing in
terms of viewership on
YouTube our production
budget our total budget for
each of these videos would
be somewhere between $2
and $60.
So we're between a rock and
a hard place.
Obviously we would love to
use humans to do all of the
work.
And humans are doing a lot of
the work.
Humans developed all these
processes.
Humans are testing the power
supplies.
That's that's that's the meat
right there.
That's being done by skilled
humans.
Right.
We would love to use humans
for everything and have a
human host and have bespoke
editing for every single
episode.
But if I were to tell you
okay well your production
budget is $9 and I were to
pay humans in such a way that
we were able to survive on
$9 of revenue I'd be a
monster.
I'd be a stop I'd be a
monster.
And then if I say okay well
this is net new work that
nobody was doing before and
actually creates additional
jobs building these systems and
doing all this testing but
this is the way to make it
sustainable you tell me I'm a
monster because we're using an
AI voiceover and it's like
okay well now hold on a
second.
This is in my opinion a best
case scenario for machine
learning.
It just doesn't exist.
We're not going to do it
without it.
It can't exist.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
It's not that it doesn't it's
that it cannot.
It's not economically viable for
us to do this the traditional way
that we've done things and I
think there is a pretty good
point brought up in full
point.
Yeah.
You have an unlimited budget
because it's a tax write-off.
Thank you for that.
There are legitimate concerns
like that people have brought up
okay well if we're doing it in
power supply circuit then could
that infect the other channels
that is I mean that is the last
thing I want.
Yeah.
I don't.
It's not like good.
You don't want to listen to that
AI voice.
No not at all.
I mean if we can get to the
point where power supply circuit
is averaging 100,000 views and
we're taking on that's we're
taking on sponsors and hey
have faith.
Yeah sure.
And we're taking on sponsors
for it and we're doing like
huge affiliate revenue through
it because people really value
the independent testing then
yeah let's let's build a proper
channel around it but we have
to start somewhere and right
now the meat of it is the
testing and we just need a
vehicle.
Yeah my only real notable
take from it was that I don't
think it should be you
personally.
Yeah I am I've seen people feel
strongly about it both ways.
It's about 50 50.
Interesting.
The feedback that I have
received directly the like
non-anonymous feedback that I
have received which I will now
keep anonymous but was all in
alignment with that but I mean it
was a very small portion of the
company as a whole so it's not
representative.
It's both ways it as it turns
out and I think that I can't
tell because the feedback form
itself was anonymous.
Yeah.
So I can't tell it's like good and
bad but it continue the
conversation seems like based on
the perspectives like I don't
know which individuals responded
but it seems like based on the
perspectives that the lines kind
of fall between departments.
So some departments feel more
strongly that like having it be
Linus will make it feel less
like someone who's juror got
taken by AI and more like Linus
didn't have time that day.
Okay.
And then on the other side it's
look if we're going to be uncanny
valley can we at least just be
uncanny valley with someone that is
not a real person and it seems like
there's a clean line right down the
middle.
That's really interesting.
Yeah I know.
Zenal says I'm confused LTT isn't
using real voices.
So again you know our budget our
production budget for some of these
videos because we don't know what
the budget is until we publish it
and see how much money comes in
right.
Our budget for these videos based on
what dedicated power supply videos
are doing right now on YouTube could
be as low as two to three dollars.
No.
No there's there it's not even yeah
it doesn't make any sense.
No and we need we need to get this
data out there.
Even really it's not a business move
it's like.
Ramultra says you could not do a
video and promote heavily the
written article.
Yeah that worked great for written
media over the last 10 years.
Also some people just will not read
it.
Yeah.
Even if we're completely ignoring the
business case because these videos are
going to make no money but even if we
completely ignore the business case
there are people that will not read
an article but they will watch a
video that is absolutely a thing.
Yep.
There's also people that are just never
going to leave YouTube.
There's been this consolidation issue
this the the the house fresh article
kind of talks about this and there's
been other people talking about this
recently as well where like the
internet is turning into a very small
the whole surf the internet and check
out all these different websites thing
is like dead already.
It's become a very very small pool of
websites and it's even smaller than
you think.
Yeah.
Because a lot of the websites that
you think are separate are actually
owned by large publishing let by large
publishers.
Yeah.
So like it's it's it can be very hard
when that's what you've grown up in or
that's the practice that you've gotten
used to.
It can be very hard to get people off
of that small group of websites.
Yeah.
So they're just going to want to stay
on YouTube or whatever else.
P-F-Y-C-H.
I don't know.
Fightch on on Flowplane chat said my
my younger siblings search for products
slash restaurants on TikTok.
So we've already so coming back to the
plan to to have these videos AI
voiceovered AI edited because the shots
are all standardized because a power
supply that's why we started with power
supplies because they're all
fundamentally the same size and shape
with fundamentally the same physical
features.
Yeah.
So all the shots are going to be a long
sort of pre-planned movements and then it
is basically cut together with a template
and then validated by a human editor.
Yeah.
That's it.
And so we are already looking at okay
can we do a shortened version of the
script that and then just dump it on
TikTok dump it on reels dump it on
Facebook because I mean at the very
least we want to be able to get real
valid information in front of people and
I think that harder than ever there's
going to be some compromises that we're
going to make along the way but the
mission is a good one and you know
what we might find out that this just
is completely ineffective and we've got
to take a different approach and we're
going to be open to that but we have to
start somewhere in again the non-anonymous
feedback that I received that I will now
forward as anonymous feedback.
The people that I talked to would watch
it actually but they're not going to
watch everything.
I suspect the view counts are going to
be really low.
Yeah.
No they shouldn't watch everything.
That's the whole point of this.
I saw I saw one internal comment.
Yeah I'm sorry to be clear I'm not
saying this to you as if this is a
revelation to you.
I'm more talking publicly.
I saw one internal comment that was
like this feels like a content farm.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's supposed to be every power supply.
Ever.
Yeah.
And I don't want humans working at the
content farm.
Yeah.
I want humans doing the creative stuff.
The cool stuff.
But we need to have a result when
someone searches for this power supply
on TikTok and that's a power supply that
blows up or costs twice as much as one
that's better.
We have to address that and on a two to
sixty dollar budget we aren't going to
be doing it with handcrafted human
content.
It's not going to happen right now and
it's not intended to be like like
popcorn viewing.
Yeah.
It's not supposed to be entertaining.
This is objective.
This is for the bottom of the funnel
where you have you are aware of
computers and you have an intent to
learn about computers and you've decided
to buy one and you are choosing a
particular component and you want to
learn about it.
Or it's been recommended to you.
Like say you go to PC Part Picker and
you pick one of the recommended
builds and you're like I've never
heard of this power supply before.
You look at one of the videos you're
like oh yeah okay it's cool.
Now you have the confidence when
buying the thing.
That's good.
Kind of like what I think it was Casey
Neistat said about the Vision Pro
that this is the worst Vision Pro.
So the first video we upload will be
the worst video.
You know in terms of the uncanny valley
of the AI voiceover in terms of the
choreography of the shots.
It's gonna take time.
Yeah.
It's gonna take time.
Black Smoke Rises says it sounds
kind of lame but I see the plan.
Yes.
It's not supposed to be super
exciting content.
It's not.
It's supposed to be.
Like by design.
It's supposed to be what we could
make for under $60.
And remember it's not even under
$60.
By the time Lucas tests a power
supply we are underwater on a $60
budget.
Very significantly.
So it is.
Are you counting.
Effectively a negative budget.
Don't even worry about the human
time.
Are you counting the like time on
that machine.
Oh no.
Exactly.
Just do the time on the machine.
I forget how much that thing even
costs.
Power costs?
You have to get updates to it.
Oh no.
I'm not factoring.
Don't forget about the square
footage that that whole setup with
the environmental chamber.
Don't forget about the
environmental chamber.
Literally just the space.
It doesn't just run off of the
chroma.
Heating it.
No other cost other than space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Floor space.
Oh my god.
You're done already.
We're gonna have to buy a lot of
these power supplies.
If you owned a parking lot how much
more profitable.
So much more.
Like your ROI on one parking stall.
Yeah.
20 years.
Like that's the thing guys.
You gotta try to look at what we're
doing and see the bigger picture here.
This is not.
Isn't a business move.
No.
This is not a profit taking endeavor.
If we can turn it into something
profitable we will.
If we can take this data and we can
find nuggets that turn into LTT videos
that we can get sponsors.
Of course.
Of course we're gonna do that.
It's gonna feed into the businesses
that make money.
That would happen if we made the
videos or not.
Guys.
The intent here is we understand this
is gonna take time but we are
trying to build something.
We are gonna make some mistakes.
It's gonna take some time.
We're gonna have to learn some things
but that's that's part of the journey
right.
Like if we I mean.
I can't help myself.
You gotta dream big you know.
You gotta dream big.
I heard there was a I tried to invite
you to I think you accepted it
whatever doesn't matter but I went
to invite you to a meeting next week
to talk about like the launch of the
labs website and I genuinely don't
remember who but someone told me that
like in you had talked about it with
them at some point in time and you're
all excited about like what we can do
next and I was like yeah they're like
what do you mean.
I was like is this just this is just
how it works.
It's it's that's good.
You know but like I would be more
stunned if you were like this is the
end.
I have no more ideas.
I'd be like oh no.
Oh yeah.
What happened.
Oh dude.
My idea doc is is extensive.
Yeah.
Girthy.
Bulging.
All right.
Merch messages.
Next time.
Yeah.
We have a lot of next topics.
Do we have super checks after party
today.
I'm never gonna get to.
I'll go home am I.
We can we can set it up.
I mean the home's overrated.
If you want we can we can get that
going.
Do you want me to do that.
I don't know.
It's up to the float plane people.
I'll tell you what you can you can see
if they care that much this week.
I probably shouldn't do many.
Oh okay.
Because I have to shift relieve.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
No maybe maybe no no checks.
I could do like maybe three.
Yeah.
But that's that's a lot to like drag the
whole thing out there.
Yeah.
No.
No.
No.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I apologize.
I have sick birds at home.
Yeah.
Luke's got Luke's got bird babies to to
take care of.
Yeah.
All right.
Dan hit us.
Sure.
Let's see.
To be clear you're still not off the
hook on playing.
Yeah.
I just I had already planned to tell
you like I got to stop at three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Probably shouldn't do the whole
setup.
It's all good.
Yeah.
Greetings LDL.
I have troubles for getting my point
across whenever there's a
collaborative discussion between me
and 10 other people in the group.
Any advice for a timidly shy person
like me?
This is a tough one.
You're asking the wrong two people.
I don't know about Dan so much but
I'm actually pretty timid.
Yeah.
Maybe Dan could field this one.
I was hoping that you guys could
tell me.
I don't know.
You just yell over them.
Okay.
I have an idea.
You turn them off.
Yeah.
You just turn off their camera and
then they're gone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
They don't exist anymore.
Just leave.
Just leave.
He doesn't exist.
He's still talking somehow.
How's this working?
I don't get it.
I turned him off.
He's still.
There's a ghost in the machine.
He's still talking.
Something that I've seen people do
that I think has actually worked
pretty effectively and also helps
if you have you know an issue with
public speaking is to present your
idea in some form that is like
textual or through a photograph or
a chart or whatever and then paste it
into the chat that everyone's using.
Yeah.
I was going to say take notes and if
you need some time to process and
collect your thoughts you can always
send it as a follow-up.
Hey during the meeting these are some
thoughts that I had or these are some
thoughts I had after the meeting if it
makes you uncomfortable to to to to
talk about how you know you you need
time to process because not everyone
wants to like just say that yeah I
kind of you know I'm a thorough
thinker but I'm a bit of a slower
thinker you know one wants to say
that out loud so you just yeah you
you can you can take some of some of
that pressure off by not necessarily
trying to address it right in the
middle of the meeting.
I understand that that's not always
perfect because sometimes things will
hit an inflection point decisions are
made and you can either you know
steer it in the right direction or
allow it to veer off course and it can
be tough I find if you can get
something that draws everyone's direct
attention that they have to like you
know read or look at for a second to
fully absorb you can actually get
everyone thinking about that thing for
a second and then hopefully you can
talk through it or just by looking at
whatever thing you delivered whether
it's a chart or a graph or a thing of
writing or whatever hopefully they can
get a point from it and then go from
there it's not a perfect solution but
I've seen it used and I think it works
pretty well.
Hello guys do you think the PS portal
was a success?
I've been trying sorry I've been trying
to get one but they seem to be sold
out everywhere live in a studio with
one TV and wife can't sleep with light.
I don't think it's a matter of whether
we think the PS portal was a success the
PS portal was clearly a success it just
wasn't for you if you're someone who
doesn't understand why people want the
PS portal and Tulio clearly is one of
the people who does think the PS portal
is a good idea and Tulio the good news
is there's lots of other options with
an app you can pretty much replicate the
experience of the PS portal whether it's
on a tablet or on a phone but you know it
won't have a dual sense style controller
with smaller joysticks mind you so you
know that might work for you that might
not work for you yeah there's no there's
no question PS portal absolutely a success
do you see that thing where it was it had
been it had been hacked to run like
emulated games and then Sony got tipped off
by by someone and they were able to patch it
no that doesn't happen very often yeah
yeah anyway huh yeah they disclosed to
Sony how they had worked around and and
gotten it to do that
Luke if you had to buy another car what
would it be also thanks for just the
first part okay
I have no idea I think I would know what
I would do if it was a new car but I
think the chance of me buying a new car
is very low okay yeah but tell us I think
a Prius Prime they've been doing really
good yeah the new one makes a lot more
sense than the old one I really like the
whole plug-in hybrid thing they actually
like look pretty cool which is weird for
Priuses but they do look pretty cool and
they they have good stats on them for the
whole plug-in hybrid thing but yeah I'm
not I'm not super into the new car thing
so then I have no idea because I don't
know what the use market looks like
right now people are upset because it's
a Prius yeah the new ones are pretty
cool
hey I'm the guy who bought half a dozen
of the old black hats and got a couple
of the pro hats and recently and got a
couple of the pro hats recently and love
the lack of button on top and clasp what
other small changes in products did we
miss oh so much I I wish we just filmed
our product development meetings because
there's so many good creative juices
flowing in them and there's so many
little details that even we forget by the
time the long road is over and we
actually released the product we put up
the product page and we're like how the
heck did we not mention this
I don't know am I going to be able to
am I going to be able to come up with
something
oh man we obsessed over the location of
the LTT branding on the cable management
arches it was actually I think me who
ultimately made the call after we saw the
prototypes because we did prototype it
with an LTT logo here and I think it was
me who made the final call to say no no
visible branding because the reason that
this thing exists is for people to obsess
over their cables and as much as we'd love
to have our brand all over your stuff
because you know brands like that kind of
thing it's not the right thing for this
product so actually I think I don't think
on the product page you can actually see
the LTT branding at all oh you know
there it is
so I don't know that's not really a
detail you wouldn't have noticed I'm
sure you noticed where the branding was
on it but that's the that's the
background for why that happened that
you probably didn't realize like how how
long these conversations can be
sometimes
amazing good day actually I wasn't sure
if you guys talked touched about this
with the AI thing sorry oh
what oh oh oh wow did someone point
that out or did you just think of it
oh nice completely missed the
transition
all right one show after dark let's go
there we go that's better can't remember
if we touched on this when you're
talking about AI with AI how do you
think about disclosure of use of AI in
your content should there be a
consistent policy should we even care
as viewers
oh I think you should care but you
should care if it affects the quality
which it almost certainly will unless
humans are hand curating it and hand
reviewing it in which case is it really
AI or is it more like disclosing that
you used a word processor then no you
shouldn't care
so yes but also no but yes but maybe
no
we don't weird we don't have a policy
right now it's a really good point
because I think everything that we've
used it for that's public facing has
been very clearly machine learning like
the I showed you guys a preview of what
power supply circuit is going to look
like it's machine learning up the butt
definitely not attempting to hide it in
any way yeah I mean oh I mean okay hold
on no we we did we did actually use an
LLM prompt to get some starting points
for the smash champs logo I think or we
at some point we got some some drafts and
then we did a prompt and then we got
some ideas and we came to the final one
so it was very human done but AI was used
as a tool as a tool I mean I've done AI
idea generation stuff for tons of things
like how would we even disclose that
like we launched a new feature on
float plane it's like do we disclose
that AI was used as a troubleshooting
tool for some codes that like software
developers have been all over this for
for yeah so I don't really know I use it
for sometimes I'll not even I wouldn't
even necessarily say writer's block but
sometimes I find starting an email to
take me too long and it's like
frustrating I'm like I have to respond
to like a hundred emails today so like I
just I need something to get me going or
like this is a long message I have a lot
of information to convey I need to get
them to actually read the thing in the
first bit and I'll yeah I'll use chat
GPT or whatever to help me start the
writing but I never really send actually
chat GPT written things so what does
that mean I don't know
I Dynas Duke Lan and Lavid how much of
Dynas's little ones remember the
Langley house I doubt they remember it
at all I would suspect yeah not at all
sorry I gotta find another one of these
sorry go for it look I was gonna say
didn't most of them not exist I'm trying
to think of the timeline I think only one
of them didn't exist at all okay during
that time yeah yeah
hi LLD good morning from Taiwan
Computex is coming up any Taiwanese food
or places you definitely gonna have to go
yeah get me some soup dumplings yeah oh
that'll sound nice so good do that
Taiwanese style fried chicken that place
we were going to get soup last year was
awesome went there like three different
nights or something oh yeah I don't even
remember damn I'm sure we could find it
it's gonna be in my Google timeline I have
like super creepy location tracking on
and the only real reason that I do is
because I just like curiously going back
and seeing where I've gone like my my
Google Maps location history is
hilarious cuz like there was a few years
there where I was traveling boy was I ever
traveling a lot check check this out give it a
sec hold on hmm here hold on cities oh boy oh
boy red dots everywhere yeah everywhere as
long as it's in the northern hemisphere I
realized I have never been to the southern
hemisphere yeah yeah typical North East they
never think about the south where does that
accent come from I don't know nowhere in
particular okay hey Luke what's your oh no
oh god sorry I'm almost ready uh there's
two places that I really want to go this
year Sun Moon Lake and another one that I'm
struggling to remember the name of uh Jew
Fen I'm surprised you're not going to like the
eclipse or whatever that seems like totally
up your alley I wanted to actually yeah I
know I couldn't go right now all right
yeah bummer that's okay I've gone to
eclipses in the past it is what it is I
got there's a couple people on the labs
team going I was like take me nice
pictures and Dan Siegel I have already
seen very nice pictures taken by him so I
trust all right he'll get it done I
believe sorry what do you say hey Luke
what's your rarest Pokemon Go finds in
your connection uh collection uh I don't
know I assume it's Pokemon Go yeah yeah
Pogo is Pokemon Go yeah yeah um probably
shiny Pachirisu but I don't really care
Linus and Luke if you were to wake up in
a freaky Friday situation what would be
your first actions as each other
okay moving on it's not that after dark
you'd have to check
check to make sure that the birds are
okay that's what he's talking about
yeah yeah the birds are very important
yeah yeah um yeah yeah yeah
unplug all of the Unify cameras I would
I would jump off of something not not too
high but relatively high to get some
gravity in me and see what the impact is
like weighing that much you mean that
little that little yeah but it's gonna
be a way bigger fall I've I've weighed
twice as much as Linus for like you
know what quite but I'd go somewhere
where there's lots of short people I was
over in Japan and like I realized that
that whole experience that people talk
about where it's like just like being
taller than everyone else well I've never
had that you know what I would have the
being taller than everyone else
experience okay yeah that's what I
would do I mean that would require some
planning would that be the very first
thing I would do probably not I don't
I feel like a lot of what I would do
wouldn't be that different like I don't
really see how being Luke would actually
change my lifestyle a ton we do a lot of
maybe not the same thing but very
related yeah Linus says badminton I work
out yeah man I would hate dragging your
gigantic ass around on the court this is
why I was saying yeah the first thing I
would do is jump basically I would suck
so I'll just be like wow yeah you'd be
older though yeah it's not that much
older yep would your wife consider we
will not be discussing that would you sit
on opposite sides of the WAN table that
would probably feel the most wrong no no
I don't even think I could do the show
seeing colors differently and like yeah
tasting things differently and stuff
would would definitely be a lot more
jarring yeah
yeah I don't know I don't know I
definitely do something really
embarrassing as him because being a
public figure I kind of like I have to
be on my best behavior all the time and
yeah he's a public figure too but I don't
give a because it's him so I do
something like really weird like streak
in the park or something you know nice
yeah have we gone streaking no nice I'm
I'm far too conservative and shy yeah I
actually it's it's funny like I play a
very outgoing character on TV but I am
like not on TV yeah yeah when I'm I'm
actually pretty withdrawn when I'm not on
TV yeah like be being outgoing and
like doing an underwear shoot for me
very uncomfortable and challenging
especially the first time like I have
to push myself for a lot of what I do
here here's a question if you had if
there was the option yeah for like 24
hours would you do it yes or no I would
immediately no question I feel like I
would for like pretty much anyone
though yeah I just think it'd be such a
such an interesting experience it'd be
a freaky Friday that's for sure yeah
even even even just the like vision
though I mean be really interesting
yeah your downgraded ass vision
probably wouldn't oh yeah you'd get
wrecked great for me but even just like
the color shift of it I'm still over
2020 baby I just got my eyes checked
nice yeah definitely not there's a
matter it's a matter of time for me
though it's it's it's not like as good
as it was I guess yeah yeah um seeing
things differently hearing things
differently tasting things differently
experiencing things differently in
general I think it would be so
interesting you know what's funny is
we've talked about this before but it's
been in the context of substance use
and what I have said before because I've
I've not with you at this particular
from this particular perspective but I've
had the argument made to me that it can
be good for broadening your
perspectives and and helping you
experience things in a in a new way and
sort of what I've what I've said is that I
tend to be quite controlling of my
experiences and I tend to I tend to be
um I tend to like to be in control of
myself yeah and this would be me
literally not being in control of myself
at all honestly I have it's a big ass I
have considered the ramifications of
what the other person would do
practically not at all so yeah that
might change my mind a little bit I'm
just like I'm thinking like to be clear
if it was my own shift if it was you if
it was if it was you and this was a
consensual body switch that's probably
why I wasn't really thinking about it
it's because I'm not too worried about
then that's one thing right but if you
were just like partners right yeah yeah
leave it alone yeah exactly but I feel
like most of the like ground rule thing
like yes we should lay them out but
that's also not really the point of
freaky friday necessarily that's true
it's part of the point is you're our I
think that's another reason why I'm
okay with it though is because I don't
think we would have to actually have to
establish those yeah like I wouldn't be
worried about getting my body back with
diseases you know like it's not it's
not like that yeah um but I I would
literally not be in control of myself
which is something that I am deeply
unsettled by so it's not an obvious yes
to me it's something I'd have to I'd
have to fester on for a little bit I
wouldn't be too worried about it you
bruised me up a little bit it's fine
because there's there's got to be if
it were to happen the first few minutes
have got to be just pure chaos I would
think so yeah I wouldn't even be able to
walk yeah like it's going to be like
what's going on and when I and when I
like accidentally hit something it like
damages it you know feel like an ogre
no offense you would probably though
you'd be like this sucks like looking up
at people when they're talking to you
I have noticed somewhat of a pattern
is that I find smaller people are more
clumsy and my conclusion is that I think
it's because it matters less yeah the
consequences are like like what I fall
over I'm so close to the ground anyway
like the impact is pretty low you know
yeah anyways hi big Luke have you tried
on willing spy says oh no you'll have to
go to the bathroom eventually
yeah but yeah we sit down anyway I don't
have to look
you'd have to you'd have to experience it
oh yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah no but like
actually mechanically oh my god no I don't
want to go to the washroom I don't think
I'd have to do that
anyways have you tried a virtual
challenge such as the conqueror on your
fitness journey my girlfriend just
started routinely exercising and virtual
challenges have really kept her going
oh I don't really want to say
no I have not and if it's working for
them that's absolutely fantastic and
they should keep doing it and that's
great to me I'm a big hater looks like a
massive cash grab
you all challenges they have like themed
ones but they all they all cost money
do they yeah you get this cool metal
thing at the end okay so like if you're
a little goblin collector brain is
motivated enough by that to go out and
do stuff great sure yeah but like go for
it oh come on go Pokemon go doesn't
even me doesn't even work for most people
yeah but but what I'm saying is like like
I I don't I'm not into this I it looks
like a cash grab to me personally all
that sort of stuff if it works for them
great you saw what happened when we
launched our series for pins yeah so
some people is sold out some people
might be super motivated by this and if
this motivates you to get up and go out
for runs and do stuff like that that's
awesome it wouldn't really work for me
and it's an expense so you might guess
how I'm gonna feel about it
um okay but it costs more than zero
dollars yeah so I I genuinely don't want
to trash it because if it's working for
you then awesome but yeah I don't know
it is what it is question for slick I
have recently transitioned from IC to EM for
a newly minted team uh individual
contributor to engineering manager yeah
I googled them earlier but I can't
remember uh and I'm experiencing some
trepidation about the shift any advice
or reference material you found helpful
uh reference material
most of what I learned about it is from
Wendell
uh I don't think he talks about that
stuff a ton on his channels um the
mythical man month is a cool book a bit
of an outdated title but it's a cool
book um other than that there's tons of
books I read a bunch of books I'm still
reading books every now and then on the
topic um for the most part honestly
though you'll be fine just care about
your team and you'll be fine this is
great trendy says sitting down to pee is
a prison thing and uh Dimi's got my back
here it's a tired in the middle of the
night and not wanting to turn on lights
or clean up a mess thing 100% I also uh I
also find that the other way is pretty
unsanitary because even if you don't hit
the seat the splashback is very
significant oh yeah yeah yeah completely
agree also I often go in pairs to the
bathroom like number one and two
often go in pairs so like it's just
inefficient yeah because I'm gonna end
up sitting down anyways like what was
the point of that whole charade
I don't know it's also one of the few
times that I can get interrupted time on
my phone yeah there's a lot of factors
dude yeah there's a lot of factors relax
yeah I stay a while yeah to be clear I
was joking that I always sit down but I
actually do quite often because it's just
like yeah man I'm just like I'm chilling
in here and I don't need like pee all over
the wall next to my toilet I just actually
don't need that it's one of the reasons
bathrooms smell so bad especially men's
bathrooms even if the people who use it
are accurate the splash the splash back it's
real even even okay even if it doesn't like
come out of the bowl you're very likely
splashing the inside of the yeah it splashes
the underside so and it doesn't get washed
away properly I realized this I realized
how bad it was when I was giving my one of
my kids a hard time and I bet you can
imagine which one about like aiming badly
and not cleaning up afterward and realized
that actually it wasn't that it was that
it was all collecting yeah under yeah and
like drying there and then it dries on and
it's gross gross just sucks gross
it's not worth it I sit down all the time
unless I'm if you're at like a public
thing yeah I'm not a huge fan of that
I'm I'm a like foot with kicking up the
seat touch nothing guy in public washers
yeah yeah yeah 100% yeah me too totally
like but if I'm at home like if it's a
particularly gross one I've even been
known to make a little toilet paper seat
for myself me too I'm I'm lazy about it
have you done the just power squat don't
touch no yeah no I haven't done the power
squat I've done that before that can be
uh can we talk about something else now
no ah yeah too bad can you relay to Luke that he
has a very nice laugh and it is very
contagious is this a question no thank you
though it's funny I I read the comments
often I am I read the comments often and it's
so divisive oh yeah some people hate it oh yeah
it's and it like no one's really seems to be in
the middle people are like like it a lot or I
ruin the entire show and their whole lives and
they hate me Vegemite you're basically Vegemite
yeah yeah yeah hey DLL Luke if you were the chief
vision I don't know chief vision officer at LMG would
you have started labs knowing the immediate return on
investment and why yes but not in the same way
hmm and I think I've communicated this to Linus I
don't I'm not exactly caged about my opinions on
things um yeah I don't know I wouldn't have gone as
hard as fast um if it was which I'm not saying this is
better to be clear it is what I would have done um but
yeah I would have started with fewer verticals I
probably would have started with like just like GPU CPU
and potentially nothing else or even just GPU keep it
really narrow figure out all the processes figure out
all the speed bumps that you're gonna run into with
just that vertical that apply to multiple other
verticals and then start growing from there but kind
of like master one and then grow that would have been a
lot slower that would have accomplished the main primary
goal that Linus has a lot slower um that wouldn't that
would have caused major delays in a lot of different
ways um yeah but that is probably maybe a little bit
more expanded than that maybe like it depends kind of
who applies and what special specialties they had maybe it
would have been a couple more things maybe it would have
been like GPU and keyboard I don't know um but it would
have been fewer total things um probably kept the original
location oh the little one yeah yeah okay but the smaller
team would have actually been okay there's no way that team
would not work out of that office you had to get something
else oh yeah but I would have kept scope scope small and then
try to stay in there that's fair um I mean the reason we
didn't was because there was so much work that was going to
have to be done regardless of how many verticals we
tackled like we would still need the website in basically it's
exactly as it is form yeah I'm not I'm genuinely not saying
my way is like for sure better and I'm not saying my way is
better either yeah I'm just saying there were there were pros
and cons either way and uh there's definitely been speed
bumps that we've hit that we wouldn't have with that method
but we might have hit different speed bumps if you put all your
eggs in two baskets and one of them hits a showstopper now
you've got one basket good job you're launching half as many
things as you set out to launch it's tough and this is like the
the kind of like riskier way but if you make it the payoff is
bigger and faster so the linus way that is
this is often how it will go
and yeah urban fervor says you have to pick a direction eventually
yeah yeah that's you're never going to agree with every single
thing that the company that you work for does
and that's actually okay and if that's not okay then you're going
to have a lot of problems even I don't agree with everything the
company does yeah it's just it's true it's a thing
no exaggeration
IDLL big fan of y'all Luke a few weeks ago you mentioned
matter most uh having its own issues as a service
could you elaborate I work for a government organization that plans
on using it for secure messaging oh man it's been a while we tried out
matter most quite a while ago um it's been years since we tried it so I'm
not entirely certain if I remember correctly this is self-hosted if it's
been that long it might be I don't want to say too challenging for us to say too
much about it yeah um I mean maybe maybe hit us up again
once you guys have trialed it and let us know if our perception of it was
outdated I would be interested in that take especially because with teams
decoupling it might legitimately be time to reassess the
chat solutions market papadaka says uh I use matter most with my college
buddies and it works great so yeah but that's that's one endorsement
and that's uh all that's worth but um yeah let us know
we'd be we'd be happy to to learn more about it
the professional self-hosted plan is ten dollars per user per month
billed annually right now wait it's self-hosted and you pay ten dollars a month
well there's a free and there's a self-hosted got it okay um
I believe the self-hosted tier the main difference is things like SSO
um LDAP user sync advanced access controls things like that that you
probably will want in an enterprise environment
right um maybe not for your bros at university but
at an enterprise environment probably so you're likely going to be targeting ten
dollars a month there's also a enterprise option which sounds like
it's maybe them hosting it okay um I don't know okay
nice hell yeah
oh
I can't believe how fast tsmc was back at work yeah
like hours wild um yeah I mean obviously having all of your manufacturing consolidated in one place
is a big challenge but I know framework has had um some feelings about having their devices
manufactured in China and they've opted to keep their manufacturing in Taiwan at least for now
and um it's risky but hopefully uh hopefully nothing too disastrous like the um the thailand floods that
like almost trashed the hard drive industry for uh for a number of months there um hopefully nothing like that happens and of course
uh hopefully if something like that were to happen uh laptops and hard drives would be the least of our concerns and we would be
uh more worried about how to help the people yeah I'm glad you're enjoying your framework seven uh framework 16
though I'm obviously super super proud of what the team is doing over there
not proud because like I helped necessarily but proud because uh they just seem like really cool people
and I'm I'm proud of their efforts they're working hard and they're doing something they really believe in
and I think that's really important and sorry I was muted for that one it was uh what do you think
about the framework and the earthquake oh yeah and they were enjoying their framework 16 that's right
that's right last of the curate I've got here howdy dll I'm six feet six inches show off 198 centimeters
and would love to get your shirts or flannels because my friends love them
so is there an eta even an ltt eta on when you're tall or big skews start please um this shirt doesn't
cover my back it's very comfortable though I think our next shirt order for the blank tees should have
tall sizes can I can I get 50 I will actually I want to be a cartoon character very likely spending
money if that happens because I will legitimately replace my wardrobe I will also be
doing the exact same I will get rid of everything and everything in my wardrobe is ltd they're good
shirts so they're great shirts yeah um I don't know do you have a favorite flower no me neither
all right sorry brad f and I think that's it for the show
brad f asked our favorite flowers yeah yeah whatever gets my wife off my back
brand brand come on I don't know whole wheat it sounds like it sounds like a hassle like I'm sorry
I have to put water in it and for what okay so it dies slight slightly slower yeah cool like your
relationship all right I think that's it for the show we'll see you again next week same bad time same
bad channel hey terry fox foundation yeah bye
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