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Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen.
We've actually got a freaking ton of topics
to get through today, so no preamble.
We accidentally broke Intel's embargo
for their 12th Gen chips.
We will talk about that.
And of course, a summary of the media coverage
of the 12th Gen.
I will also be addressing some of the particularly
ill-informed comments that were left on our video,
criticizing our choices for how we decided
to test the platform.
I tried Dungeons & Dragons for the first time today.
Yeah. So that was fun.
We're going to talk about that.
That's sort of a little bit, not really that on topic,
but what else we got?
You're going into too many shout outs, man.
You did three.
No, I did two.
You took one of mine.
I did two, two, two.
The Intel 12th Gen thing, including our flub.
Yeah.
And the Dungeons & Dragons thing.
Oh, I thought you did something like that.
Also a Switch modder, Gary Bowser pleads guilty,
owes Nintendo 4.5 million dollars.
Big yikes.
Also, we're going to talk about Linux stuff.
We do that every week on this show now.
Yeah. Yeah.
We don't actually ever release the videos.
No.
We just talk about the videos that we are producing
in the background.
Yeah.
They take a long time to edit because I don't know
about Luke, but my screen capture is a complete cluster.
Mine's not actually.
You know, for the first video,
I actually like numbered them for chronological order
and like titled each one of them
so that they would know what was happening.
So it'd be easier for them to fit it into the thing.
Yeah. Mine's a little less organized than that.
Yeah.
Let's roll that intro.
This Bowser thing annoys me with how tech-wise this is.
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We are going to jump right into the big oops
that happened with our video review
of Intel's 12th gen Alder Lake CPUs.
Yeah.
That's what I was.
I was going to be like, oh no, you know, like exactly.
So what happened was the video was supposed to go live
at 6 AM Pacific standard time on Thursday.
And typically what we do is we upload our video
and we set it to unlisted.
And then we set a scheduled publication time.
Now we also typically promote our new video releases
on Twitter.
And because this was at 6 AM,
we scheduled a tweet that was supposed to go out at 6 AM
at the same time that the video would flip live
pointing to the video.
Unfortunately, the tool that we've been using
to schedule our tweets,
and I'm not going to name any names because who knows,
there could have been some kind of user error involved.
Maybe we entered our time zone wrong or something like that.
Like maybe someone went in and made a change to the account
and something got screwed up and it was our own fault.
I don't know.
I actually do not know the details,
but what I know is that later on that day,
another scheduled tweet that we were going to send out
went out many hours early.
So somehow our scheduled tweets were going out way early.
So I'm actually, I'm glad that it wasn't any worse
than it was because the tweet went out early
while the video was unlisted.
So it was viewable by people that had the link
and the link was in the tweet.
Yes.
And then Ed spotted it almost immediately,
set the video to private, pulled the tweet,
but that didn't prevent eagle-eyed viewers
from ripping the video, capturing screenshots
of all of the graphs and then reposting them,
which is very unfortunate.
So basically what happened was our tweet scheduler
bunged up, which could have been our fault.
And we tweeted a link to an unlisted video.
So there's a couple of different solutions that we've got
to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Honestly, the people that I think are most affected by this
are our fellow members of the media.
That was really not something that we intended to do.
We weren't trying to get the drop on anyone.
So what we're going to be doing moving forward
is we are going to set embargoed videos to private
rather than unlisted when we want to schedule them
to go live, if possible.
I actually haven't looked into
whether it still works that way,
but what we will definitely not do
is schedule tweets for embargo lift.
So we will just have to get up at 6 a.m.
like everybody else and tell you guys
all about the good news.
So the big news in the tech industry this week
was obviously Intel's 12th gen processors.
They're codenamed Alder Lake.
They are finally available to buy on the LGA 1700 platform.
The eight plus eight core Core i9-12900K
delivers performance that sometimes bests AMD's
Ryzen 9 5950X despite having half of its 16 cores
designated as efficiency cores.
And this unique architecture that Intel has here
with up to eight performance
and up to eight efficiency cores
has resulted in some controversy around testing.
So there's a couple of criticisms that were leveled at us
over the way that we evaluated the Core i9-12900K.
One of them was that we used Windows 11 for our testing.
And we did provide some of the rationale in the video
for why we used Windows 11.
And the reason was that Windows 11 has an updated scheduler
that is properly tuned to take advantage
of the big little architecture of Alder Lake.
Now, I know that some people were upset about this
because Windows 11 hasn't really reached
any kind of critical mass in terms of market share
at this point.
But the other reason that did not make it into the video,
because frankly, I felt like the reason
that it wouldn't perform properly
if we didn't use Windows 11 was enough.
The other reason that we used is that it's not as simple
as just looking at what's the dominant operating system
and going, okay, let's test on that one.
Because if someone is buying a brand new system today,
the odds that they are going to choose Windows 11
over Windows 10 or anything else,
especially for a gaming machine,
and typically our reviews are more focused
on gaming performance, are going to be much higher.
So even though Windows 11's market share
might be 3% or 5% or whatever,
for people buying a brand new machine today,
it will be markedly higher than that.
So we felt that between making sure
it's performing properly and trying to target
what we think people buying Alder Lake CPUs
are going to be using,
that it made more sense to test with Windows 11.
Is the concern there that people think the other CPUs
are performing worse in Windows 11?
Now, there is some truth to that.
So Windows 11 has had scheduler issues with AMD.
The good news is that literally, I think, two days?
I don't want to say how many days,
because I don't remember exactly when our chips arrived.
But days before we actually started our testing,
AMD provided a chipset driver update
and Microsoft pushed an update for Windows 11
that fixed the scheduler on AMD CPUs.
But there was an issue, an issue remained, okay?
You could apply the fix and your performance would be fixed.
But as was discovered by, I think Hardware Unboxed
might've been the first ones to bring this to light,
if you change your CPU, if you swap it out,
it can actually degrade back to the prefixed performance.
Now, it's not a guarantee that that's going to happen
every time as we discovered, because yes, guys,
we didn't mention it in the video
because the bug did not affect us.
But as we discovered, Anthony was able to swap CPUs
and all of our performance numbers still made sense.
We didn't see just all of a sudden,
like absolutely tanked AMD performance numbers.
So that was sort of, I think the main controversy
that there was around, in particular,
our video was our choice of Windows 11,
but I stand behind it 100%.
I think that most people buying a brand new system today
are going to install Windows 11.
That's also how it works.
The 12,000 series processors and Windows 11
were kind of hand in hand a bit, right?
The new scheduler system and stuff.
Intel was helping with that.
I think at the very least,
you would have to include Windows 11 benchmarks.
Maybe doing both could have been cool.
So both would have been interesting,
but it would have, we already did.
And this was pre-release,
but we already took a look at gaming performance
in Windows 10 versus Windows 11,
found that it was not significantly different.
So basically we're just doubling our number
of benchmark runs for what?
To prove the point that it's not different.
To prove the point that it's not different
or to demonstrate that it is different with the 12,900 K,
which we already know.
And we made it clear that we recommend running Windows 11
with the 12,900 K.
So then just don't do that.
Just don't run Windows 10 with the 12,900 K,
which might not appeal to you.
Windows 11 is, it's going through some growing pains.
Might be a reason to not get the processor, yeah.
Which is fine.
You don't have to buy something on release date,
but you got to remember that this content
is going to be there a year from now, two years from now.
And I want to upload what is going to be
the most relevant piece of content
evaluating the performance of this product
for the longest period of time.
If someone wants to buy a used 12,900 K in four years,
cause they're still amazing,
cause they probably will be,
they'll probably be running Windows 11.
Probably.
So there was another sort of controversy.
Just one after the other.
Yeah, the other controversy was that we used DDR5.
And this is one of those ones where every single time,
it's like, tell me you're a fan boy
without telling me you're a fan boy.
Every single time, whether it's AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Apple,
I don't care.
Every time one of them has some kind
of technological advantage over the other,
all of a sudden evaluating that product
against some other one is now unfair.
It's unfair.
Linus, you can't compare the latest iPhone
to the Android handsets on the market
because it uses a five nanometer chip and those ones don't.
Linus, you can't benchmark Intel with DDR5
because you're running AMD with DDR4.
You need to benchmark Intel with DDR4 then.
The number, the number-
That does muddy a bit the argument
of the future performance stuff though.
Which one does?
Because AMD processors down the line will support DDR5.
They will, but they'll be completely different processors
and we will test them with DDR5.
Yeah, that's fair.
Why would you ever, yeah, nevermind, I take it all back.
So, I mean, and sometimes it gets really ridiculous.
I remember back when AMD was using HBM memory in their GPUs
and Nvidia was still using a more conventional
GDDR or something or other.
And you'd upload performance graphs demonstrating
that, sorry, AMD, in spite of your expensive fancy memory,
the Nvidia card is in fact faster in applications X, Y, Z.
And then you'd have people going, but you guys didn't,
you guys didn't account for the AMD's got HBM.
I'm like, I don't care.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is how many dollars you hand to someone
and how many FPS's you get back.
That ultimately is all that matters.
And what we did was in the, I actually,
it's so funny because I've been around the block a few times
and as Anthony and I were sitting in script review
for the Alder Lake review, I went through
and I added not one, but two sort of points,
two spots in the script where I specifically acknowledged
that DDR5 is significantly more expensive than DDR4
and that you have to consider the full platform cost
when you're evaluating the value of a product.
Which is like really high, just looking right now.
It's super high.
But the thing is the reason that I phrased it
the way that I did and the reason that I didn't go
after DDR5 for being too expensive or whatever.
Did you do price performance?
No, we couldn't because the thing is that DDR5 pricing
is going to be probably incredibly volatile
over the coming few months.
But like any commodity item,
because we've seen these changeovers happen now five times,
like any commodity item, you're gonna see
that volume production of DDR4,
volume production of DDR5, they're gonna go like this,
they're gonna cross and at some point DDR5
will become the same price as DDR4
and then it will be cheaper.
And once again, we're producing these reviews
for the longterm where we're evaluating,
okay, in the context of what else was available
on the market at the time, how does 12th Gen perform?
Did you show an example of 12th Gen's performance
utilizing DDR5 versus DDR4?
We didn't.
So what we would like to do is a follow-up video.
But what I had gotten guidance on ahead of time
from memory manufacturers was that if you're running
overclocked DDR4 versus overclocked DDR5,
you are going to end up in a very similar territory.
And it is possible that the platform
will have more headroom with DDR5,
but it's pretty, it's pretty negligible.
The only real reason, and I even,
I remember adding this to the script as well.
The only real reason to go for DDR5 would be
if you want to perhaps buy into a memory technology
that you'll be able to carry forward with you
to another system more easily.
Try to leave some slots open or something.
And to be clear, like I didn't make an argument
for doing that, which I would never do.
You should never buy system memory thinking
this is an investment.
I am going to, this is, this is my memory.
I'm going to use this memory because the thing is
the pricing, the pricing only goes in one direction.
The capacities only go in the other direction
and the speeds only go in the same direction
as the capacity.
So you are far better off going for whatever
is the best bang for the buck today,
assuming that by the time you retire the system,
you're just going to leave it in it
and it'll go to a relative or you could sell
the whole thing complete on Facebook marketplace
or whatever the case may be.
And you're probably going to go acquire a new memory
that's a better match because as we've seen,
especially with Ryzen over the last few years,
as these memory controllers have developed,
faster and faster spec DDR4 has come out alongside it.
And we've seen them kind of develop together
and sort of help each other to continue to improve.
And I suspect, especially because we were in the infancy
of DDR5, that we're going to see the same thing.
We're going to see tighter cast latencies.
We're going to see higher speeds.
We're going to see cost come down.
All of this is going to happen.
So we wanted to represent the platform
as it will be moving forward and also as it is today.
I just, like you kind of mentioned,
it probably doesn't even matter.
Someone in floatplane chat, Zatharian,
said hardware in box has DDR4 and DDR5 numbers
and the performance difference is almost negligible.
So, yeah.
Yep.
So-
Apparently Der Bauer has information
showing the same thing.
So yeah, who cares?
So in a massive surprise to nobody,
the super early new gen performs-
This happens with RAM all the time.
It happens every time.
Yeah.
Literally every single time
we've gone to a new generation of DDR,
the super mature low cost last gen is very competitive
with the immature high cost new gen.
And the only reason to really buy the brand new one
is because you want to have the brand new one
for whatever reason.
Neo Cortez says, yeah, once the timings start to tighten,
you'll start to see the difference.
Yeah.
And also once you see the speeds dramatically increase,
you'll start to see the difference too.
Like something that a lot of people,
I don't know if realize is that cast latencies
are not measured in like nanoseconds.
Like that's not actually a unit of time.
That is a unit of cycles.
Yeah.
So when you have memory that has like,
that's one of the reasons actually
that your cast latencies go up so much
as we go through the memory generations,
but overall memory access latency,
isn't like double, quadruple, at least 16X
what it was with DDR1.
It doesn't work that way
because as the memory frequency goes up,
you actually, even though you have more cycles,
you're running at this much,
much higher frequency per second.
So the actual real time,
like in fractions of a set or not,
let's avoid the word fractions,
but the actual time in seconds can end up very similar
or even better once speeds ramp up enough.
So that's a really important thing for people to understand
because I see a lot of people looking at,
oh, you've got like cast latencies of 36 to 40,
even on high-end kits for DDR5.
Well, okay, yeah.
But it's also running at a much higher frequency
than you'll see on DDR4.
Yeah.
Horst says,
DDR5 is three times as expensive right now
for the same capacity.
Yeah, so I probably wouldn't go that route.
Boop, ba-da-boom.
Okay.
What else did we wanna talk about here?
Gaming performance.
Great with Alder Lake.
I'm actually pretty surprised
that Intel managed to so decisively
take back the performance crown.
But if I was the kind of Intel fan
that's been crying for the last couple of years,
I wouldn't necessarily get all swaggery about it right now
because AMD has stuff,
I think is rumored to be hitting like first half of 2022
that should bring them fully competitive with Intel again.
And AMD has already pointed out
that they don't need efficiency cores
in order to boost their core count to 16
on their consumer platform.
So man, it is gonna be real interesting.
And AMD already has an efficiency advantage.
So they definitely have more levers to pull
in terms of squeezing more out of these chips.
Yeah, we saw our Core i9 hitting as high as 96 degrees
in blender with an NH-D15.
It's a really hot chip.
It's an NH-D15 really struggling to cool something down.
It's like, that's a bit of a yikers.
Well, part of the problem is that it's not just
the thermal output, right?
Like this is a consumer chip.
This is not a gigantic die.
Like one of the things that I think people
probably don't realize unless they've used them
is that just because you've got a super high core count chip,
that doesn't necessarily mean
that it's really, really difficult to cool.
So AMD's Epic 64 cores, for example,
are really easy to keep cool
because the dies are not only physically larger
because there's 64 freaking cores in the thing,
but they're also spread out because of AMD's chiplet design
for their last couple of generations of chips.
So what that means is that as long as you've got
enough heat pipe and enough heat sink fin to deal with,
however many watts it is,
the actual transfer of thermal energy between the CPU IHS
and the bottom of the cooler is way, way more efficient,
way faster.
So when you've got this tiny die, this consumer die,
all that heat is concentrated in one place
and the bottleneck becomes how fast you can move that heat
across the base of the cooler
before you can even send it up the heat pipes
to start to dissipate it to the surrounding air.
So that's one of the reasons that this chip
is so freaking hot.
MSI actually did, I don't, was it a live stream?
I can't remember.
I saw the slides from it anyway.
They showed that there's actually two different dies
for Alder Lake, depending on what the core configuration is.
And they both have their own kind of slightly off center.
One of them is centered
and I think the other one is slightly off center.
They have their own hotspots though,
which means that it's not even the area of the die
that you need to focus all of your cooling.
It's actually that particular part of the die
where you need to focus almost all the cooling.
So once you're hitting this thing crazy hard
with like a blender render,
that 96 degrees is because it can't move that heat
out away from the hotspot of the die fast enough.
Anyway, the Core i9 really wasn't the star of the show
for me.
The 12600K, which is a $320 CPU
that offers darn near top tier gaming performance
while competing with the Ryzen 5 5600X for price,
looks amazing.
Now, AMD is clearly responding.
So Micro Center has already apparently discounted the 5800X.
Dun, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
299.
To 299.
Darn.
Isn't competition great, right?
So here's the thing, here's the thing.
In pandemic times too.
Every time you see a price drop,
every time you see a price drop, okay,
unless it's on clearance,
that means they could have sold it at that price before.
So this is one of the things that I get really,
I don't know, I get really exasperated about.
Intel does not have a clean history, okay?
It's not like they've forever been the world's most
consumer centric, customer friendly,
competition friendly, whatever it is
you wanna accuse them of,
you could probably dig up some dirt.
But don't imagine for a second
that AMD is some kind of white knight, okay?
They are a corporation beholden to their shareholders.
If they can charge you 399.99 instead of 299.99,
they will.
AMD started the whole extreme edition FX bull crap.
Don't kid yourself.
When AMD is on top, which they have demonstrated,
they did it immediately.
The second they were on top,
they slowed down the product release cadence,
left their pricing where it was and fair play AMD, right?
We were in the middle of the biggest Silicon shortage
of certainly my lifetime,
which would probably mean pretty much ever
because consumer electronics have kind of only really been
the thing in our lifetimes.
So, yeah, I'm not gonna say, hey,
you should sell something you don't even have enough stock
of for half price.
Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah, they've legitimately been out of stock for a long time.
Yeah, just don't treat this like this is an isolated
to Intel thing or an isolated to Nvidia thing.
We need competition just because AMD is a company
AMD being on top with no competition would be no better
for consumers than Intel or Nvidia doing it.
So that's my spiel.
I'm not gonna say anymore on the subject other than that.
Dang, a 5,800 X for 299.
That's pretty crazy.
That's genuinely pretty crazy.
That is a pretty darn good deal.
It's a good time.
I'm pretty, I'm pretty into.
At least there's one computer part that I feel like
is like pretty aggressively priced right now.
Cause everything else is just horrible.
Well, yeah, okay.
Maybe cases are okay.
I haven't looked into it, but like, yeah, things are,
things are rough.
Things are rough out there.
Man, I mean, you cannot go wrong.
When's the last time, wow.
When's the last time that I could say 100% straight faced
as a gamer, you can't go wrong.
AMD, Intel, flip a coin, decide what color you like better.
Who has the better box art.
Both really strong.
You're gonna be, you're gonna be really happy
with your gaming performance, no matter which way you go.
And next generation could easily flip around.
Let's see, man.
Pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
I freaking love it.
Something that I thought was really interesting
about the Z690 platform is that
while it does support PCI express gen five,
I had sort of expected PCI express gen five
to make its way into the storage,
but the way the CPUs are actually configured
is with 16 PCI express gen five lanes,
which are by default,
just all shunted over to the PCI 16X slot,
meaning that the only devices
that are gonna be able to take advantage
of PCI express gen five on a typical consumer system
are gonna be GPUs.
So we are pretty much stuck
with PCI express gen four storage speeds
for the at least until AMD releases a PCI gen five platform,
because it's pretty clear
that if Intel thought there was a benefit to it,
they could have built in another five lanes,
but you wanna know what my conspiracy theory is about this.
I think that ultimately it's the current gen consoles
that are dictating how fast storage should be today.
Interesting.
I also think there's really not much point
building an M.2 NVMe drive on a PCI express gen five
interface because we're already under realistic loads,
like other than just, all right,
I got part of this drive in SLC cache mode
and I am sequentially reading and writing data
and that's it in any other reasonably real world workload.
We are so far from even fully utilizing
PCI express gen four by four,
that it's a joke because we're limited by the controllers,
we're limited by especially the NAND dies
and that's not gonna change
as we get to five bit per cell flash,
that stuff ain't getting faster and if anything,
it's become more difficult to find flash devices
that will perform the way that you might expect them to
based on the spec sheet.
Yeah, yeah, things are getting a little messy.
Right, I mean, we've got these 12K cameras
that we're getting rid of,
but those 12K black magic cameras
and finding an external USB-C drive
that could actually handle sustained rights
at those kinds of bit rates was extremely difficult,
even though almost all of them had a label
that said they should be able to handle it just fine.
But that's because most of them are using
some kind of like caching algorithm
to intelligently write really quickly
and then flush that to slower NAND
that's running in a different operating mode over time
because the dies just aren't capable of it
and you're not gonna be able to just parallelize it more
because you're limited by this M.2 form factor
that you could put a maximum of what,
like four NAND dies on?
That's it.
So until we stack them higher,
eliminate some of those internal bottlenecks,
I can see why until basically went,
yeah, PCIe Gen 5 storage is just not a thing for now
so I guess let's just not bother.
And if there's gonna be any kind of benefit
from faster storage on the desktop, especially for gamers,
I think it's pretty much gonna come down
to Microsoft Direct Storage.
You've mentioned gamers a couple of times,
like consoles holding back and stuff like that.
Do you think that really influences hardware stuff that much?
Well, I think what it influences is figuring out
what you're targeting for a platform.
So right now, what we know is Microsoft
is working on Direct Storage,
which is gonna allow PC gamers to get similar functionality
to what the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox series have
where they, especially in the case of the PlayStation 5,
might even be able to actively stream assets
from the SSD straight to the video cards frame buffer
and without even passing through system memory.
So that's super cool, right?
But the, sorry, what was your question?
Actually, I slept like two and a half hours last night.
I can barely keep my brain going.
Yeah, no, all good.
Right, are we limited?
Right, right, right.
So what we know is that we've got this functionality
coming to the PC, that's on the horizon.
But beyond that, faster storage on the desktop
has been for freaking lulz for a long time.
Maybe it's changed under Pat Gelsinger's guidance,
but we probably both remember
there was a certain content creator
that was brought to Intel back in the day
to explain why gamers care at all about Intel CPUs
because the board just had no idea
that people use their CPUs for gaming.
That was awkward.
So I'm just kind of wondering,
are they actually comparing against consoles?
Do they actually care?
Do they really think about gamers at all?
Maybe they do more these days.
Maybe that meeting had a little bit more impact.
It's also entirely possible
that this was mainly a marketing bullet point,
but why would you bother making it a marketing bullet point
unless you think there's some kind of compelling story
you can tell around it, right?
And that's a compelling story
that I would probably want to tell.
Yeah, we've got PCI Express Gen 5,
which on the desktop is going to be for gaming.
That's it.
Like workstation, yeah, sure,
totally different conversation.
And there's a rumored X699 platform.
So it looks like we're going to get
an HEDT platform again, absolutely.
You go PCI Express Gen 5 there.
Now we're talking high-speed networking.
Now we're talking high-speed storage arrays, right?
We're not talking one drive
because you might actually be working
with large scientific data sets
that you need to be able to parse extremely quickly, right?
You might have these enormous databases
that you're looking things up
and you might need all this IO, right?
On the desktop, you don't need that.
The main thing pushing forward
the need for faster PCI Express on the desktop
is going to be gaming,
whether it's that top 16X slot for your GPU
or whether it's your storage.
And we know that console generations, they refresh,
whatever you like, four to seven years
or whatever the numbers are, unless your name is Nintendo,
in which case you just slap a new screen on it
and call it a day.
So what we know is that for literally
the entire service life of a PC
that someone is gonna buy today,
like a typical service life, five or six years,
no game developer is gonna target faster storage
than PCI Express Gen 4x4.
Yeah, yeah.
That's it because that's what Sony's got
in the PlayStation 5 and then Microsoft's actually
half that speed, if I recall correctly.
So I do think that that could be a factor.
It's also probable that they were working on the design
for this platform three years ago
and might've just had no idea for all they knew,
maybe Nvidia was gonna have a PCIe Gen 5 GPU
to launch at this time.
Maybe that got delayed by the pandemic
and the whole thing was supposed to line up in it.
Oh, whoops.
I guess we've got Gen 5 motherboards
and no Gen 5 devices to put in them.
Sorry.
I mean, remember that whole awkward thing
where AMD hadn't updated their chipsets
for like however many years in the dark time,
the bulldozer times?
Yeah.
And AMD went out and launched, what was it?
Gen 3 GPUs
when they literally didn't have a Gen 3 platform
that you could stick these GPUs in.
Yeah, that was rude.
There was a lot of memes, yeah.
So poor AMD, right?
They had to do their launch video using an Intel platform
to show off the gaming performance
of their poor graphics card, right?
I mean, not anymore obviously,
but those kinds of things absolutely happen.
You can't expect all of these ducks
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Now, I need like 10 seconds.
I need a 10 second gap right now.
Okay, wait, where I talk?
Oh.
Okay, hopefully Ridge Wallet's not watching by this point
cause like they have, they have bags.
We're going to have our own bag.
Oh, so I haven't really shown this in detail.
It sort of made a cameo in the framework video,
but this is a new sample
and we are getting close boys.
This is going to be-
Oh, I like that on the like zipper protector.
That's pretty cool.
Sorry, it's a very minor detail,
but it says Linus Tech Tips on the zipper protector.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
It says, it says Linus Tech Tips here.
You probably can't even see that on camera.
Like the zipper, the zipper water, water seal.
Yeah.
This bag is freaking sick.
One of the first things that I was talking to Colin
and David, they were like, yeah,
the problem with backpacks is they like never have enough
like slips for, for all the stuff that like sleeves
to slide things into.
Check this out.
This is going to be really hard to talk into our microphones
while we're also-
Do you want me to try to Vanna White it for you?
No, no, it's fine.
So basically you've got your sleeve for your laptop,
another sleeve for a tablet.
There's a bit of a miscommunication
with the factory on this sample.
It's going to be microfiber,
not whatever this weird vinyl is.
Another one that we're going to double check.
So we're going to check the dimensions of the steam deck,
make sure that fits,
make sure the Nintendo switch fits.
So you'll be able to get all that in there.
And then you've got another two pockets up here.
I've got my battery bank.
I've got my, this is my dongle pocket.
And then the main pocket,
you'll probably notice it has like a really rigid
kind of square shape to it.
Like it doesn't actually compress very much.
Which is not to derail you,
but we've got a couple of questions in the chat.
What's the biggest size of laptop that fits?
17.
17.
This is like full bag of holding style.
Pretty much completely unencumbered native support
for our 40 ounce water bottle.
It's got a little holder for it.
Got another little slip here.
Got your sunglasses pouch.
I really like our sunglasses pouch.
It uses like this kind of here, feel it.
It's like a, it's like a gel for the, for the film.
So we didn't want to go with a hard one
because it was going to take away from being able to,
like I managed to put a Jackery portable power bank in here.
Like, you know, those ones.
Yeah, because, so we wanted it to stay square.
So you could like really put big stuff in it.
And that was going to interfere with that
and make it kind of hard to get stuff in and out.
So we went with this.
It's kind of a good balance
between protection and flexibility.
Here, we're going to reconfigure these pockets.
I think I've got some notes for Nick and Bridget.
I think we're going to have this open on these three sides
rather than open up on the bottom because it just makes it
so you can't really store anything in here right now.
And then we're going to have a full length one
for the screwdriver.
So you can put your LTT screwdriver when that's finally
available all the way down here.
You've got a bunch more.
Is that one?
That is one, isn't it?
Yeah. Have you not seen it yet?
No.
Oh, all right.
There you go.
Sweet.
And then finally,
on the other side,
you've got a nice little side pocket that has a pass through
in case you want to run a cable from this mesh in here,
passport pocket.
I am jazzed.
This thing is so overbuilt.
Check out these rivets on the handle.
There's three on either side.
The idea is that you could probably basically
tow a car with it.
Oh my goodness.
That's crazy.
And there's a ton of stuff that's like that,
like double stitched.
The bag's heavy because the bottom,
the entire bottom has two full layers of this material.
So if you drag your bag around,
you're like the kind of person who gets home
and just like hucks your bag into the corner
and it's like, it wears away.
There's a full additional layer of the same material,
like that same like rugged material
that you would have to wear through
in order to wear all the way through the bag.
Yeah.
Sorry, I'm a little distracted by the screwdriver.
I'm pretty excited.
Yeah, have you not been hands-on with this yet?
Not once.
Feels really good.
Of course it does.
I'm pretty stoked.
Yeah, Alex and Kyle did a fantastic job.
I really like how the ratchet feels.
Just switching the ratchet feels really nice.
The ratchet might end up being a little smoother.
So it comes down-
I didn't actually turn it
because I didn't want to go through the mic,
but just switching the ratchet.
Yeah, it's-
It feels nice.
It's good.
It's good, we're excited.
You guys should have a bundle.
I'm mostly talking to like Conrad and Nick about this,
but you guys should have a bundle
called like fully loaded or something.
Fully loaded.
Where you get like the backpack
and then it has a screwdriver
that's like in the screwdriver slot already
and it comes with a water bottle
and it has some like some shirts in it or whatever.
It's actually a pretty good idea.
I mean-
And it like ships as like the bag.
It would depend on us being able
to actually keep all of these items in stock.
That would-
Remember how I warned people on WAN Show last week
that WAN hoodies were going to sell out?
They go.
They're gone.
I think we're out of stock of at least three sizes now.
We still have small, medium, large,
no small, medium, sorry, large is gone.
XL we have, three XL is gone.
So there's still a handful in a few sizes.
And that's not what I'm supposed to talk about
for LTT store today actually.
I'm supposed to talk about the whole bunch of new designs.
Speaking of which, the notifier thing
that you guys have probably seen
popping up around this part of the screen,
not anymore, but you know.
Yeah.
That there's a way to send messages with that.
If you guys buy merch during the show
and choose to send a message,
right now we just see your first name
and we can get a message from you.
And then we will do that super chat style
at the end of the show.
We'll go through those messages.
Got some great new designs.
This one's really different.
Yes. There we go. Cool.
I like the shirt.
Yeah. I really like it too.
It's just kind of cool, kind of retro-y looking.
And then finally we've got bananas for scale as well.
Yes.
So these are just little plushy bananas.
If you like having a little banana for scale,
you've got them in a bunch of different colors.
Sarah worked on these.
They've got a little short circuit logo on them.
There, that was the stuff that I was supposed to talk about
for the, for LTT store.
And also the new newsletter is out.
It's got a little article that Sarah wrote up.
That's about sort of how she chooses colors,
which is the kind of thing you might not think about
or might not know that you care about,
but she did a great job
and I thought it was really interesting.
She kind of talked through,
she was like, here's the four colors we did not go with
for our beanies that we were, that we had selected,
but then we got the samples and we were like, no.
She explains how like different material choices
can change the way that a color looks.
Yeah.
Once it's in the real world.
It's actually pretty cool.
So make sure you sign up for the LTT store newsletter.
We're going to have lots of behind the scenes stuff there.
I tried Dungeons and Dragons for the first time today.
Yes, you did.
We did a collab with a filthy lot.
They're a local production company
that's really focused on Dungeons and Dragons content
and then a bunch of other random stuff.
And so they're launching their flagship show today,
Ready to Roll.
So we kind of went down and just wanted to support
our local online video bras.
And let me tell you, it was an experience.
So you're the more experienced D&D player, obviously,
of the two of us.
How would you describe the,
what would I call it, a mission, a scenario?
What did we do?
We did a one shot.
They're often referred to as one shots,
which is where you have like a campaign
and a set of characters that you're only planning
on playing one time or for one day or whatever.
So yeah.
Oh, I should pull up my character.
Your...
His character was ridiculous.
The chat had figured out his like stat line
by the end of the game.
And we're just like, what?
Because in casual Linus fashion,
he was attempting to troll pretty much as hard as possible.
If you've seen the tech longer,
that Riley filmed about Star Citizen,
you'll probably have been firsthand witness
to some of that.
But yeah, it was fun.
It was interesting.
So we did a one shot and I created a character,
Linus Tech 69.
That's his name in game, by the way.
Yeah, Linus Tech 69.
He was a halfling barbarian.
Let me, why don't you talk through the adventure
we went on today?
I'm gonna get signed in.
I'm gonna see if I can pull up the...
Sure, yeah.
So we started in this town that has this like effectively
like haunted castle thing.
The person that hired us there brought us
into this basement.
We got introduced to the task that we needed to do.
For some reason, he had a body there that he revealed
and then just kind of like looked at for a while
until it's like stomach exploded
and there's weird larva stuff.
And then Linus tried to eat one.
Yeah, I did try to eat one.
I think I ended up taking some poison damage.
Yes, yeah.
And then after we killed those things,
we go to the castle, go down into the bottom
and we engage in combat.
We roll for initiative.
So tell me something.
For the people who don't play D&D,
how would you like explain what the heck D&D is?
It's like if you took generally,
I believe D&D kind of has to be this way,
but most tabletop things I would say are generally fantasy.
If you took a fantasy RPG co-op game
and you tried to, instead of making it a video game,
you made it a tabletop game.
Oh, there you go.
A lot of original video game versions of fantasy RPG games
are like 100% based on D&D.
They're either campaigns that the original writers
or game developers ran with their friends back in the day
and they just still had the notes for.
That was like genuinely a way
that some old games were made.
A lot of the ways that the mechanics in those games work
were based on D&D, all that kind of stuff.
So kind of, instead of going forward, like things did,
if you go backwards, you can kind of figure out
how it worked.
Basically, the real challenge of the scenario today
was that they had to carry me
a level five lightfoot halfling barbarian
with a constitution of eight.
And what was my other particularly stupid stat?
Strength of eight as well, I believe.
Strength of eight.
Which I know that might not mean much,
but essentially that's a very low number.
That's I believe as low as you can possibly go.
And those are the two stats that he should have the highest.
And an armor class of 10.
Also low.
I dumped all of my additional points into charisma.
And then once I capped out charisma,
I dumped the rest into wisdom.
You never got to use your paint kit.
I know, I grabbed the most interesting inventory items
that I could find.
So I brought an abacus with me down to the dungeon.
I brought some painter supplies.
I brought a whip, which I did end up using.
I attempted to use my plus six animal handling talent
to tame a mouse.
And it turns out that according to the dungeon master,
anyway, mice are bound to run away when you crack a whip.
But then they followed you later.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
She told me the mice were following me again later.
But by that time we were fighting this like moth.
Demon moth thing.
Demon, yeah, moth demon thing.
So I got to say that I see how it could be a ton of fun.
Like if you got into it, like I've, my big thing,
and I've always kind of been in the mind that like,
oh man, I just, honestly, I just, I can't get into this.
And I'm still, I have that, yeah,
today's experience has caused that opinion
to completely stay exactly the same.
Because it's just obvious that there is so much to know,
and not just for the dungeon master,
but also for the players,
if you want the game to progress smoothly.
Like there were clearly times when the fact
that I had no idea what I was doing,
I mean, aside from being a troll
and trying to lick everything that I found on the floor,
that it just, it kind of slowed down
the progression of the game because I don't know
what characteristics affect which things
I might attempt to do or whatever.
To be fair, that is true for a lot,
I guess not as much anymore,
as games are getting more and more simplified,
but that is true for a lot of things
and a lot of games in general.
Yeah, so that's the big reason why I kind of like,
I look at and I just go, yeah,
I have no idea how I would possibly get into this.
But to just play and be taken along for the ride,
totally fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally different from any other games
that I've played before.
And it was actually, it was pretty fun.
Will I do it again?
Probably no time soon,
but especially because I don't think
if anyone were to watch the VOD of that mission today
that anyone would invite me to play.
I would.
I at one point had an opportunity
to contribute to the assault on the monster.
And I decided to eat my food.
Pretzels and trail mix.
Yeah, eat my trail mix instead.
And then I did throw my javelin at the monster.
Just whiffed.
Well, in the direction of the monster.
Just roughly, yeah.
I did exactly zero damage to the opposing team.
And then Luke actually managed to almost tank
the entire opponent that we had today.
Bonked him.
Bonked him.
Cause Luke apparently knows what he's doing,
even though I-
Vaguely.
I haven't played actual D&D in a really long time,
but I've played a bunch of tabletop systems.
Yeah, it was fun.
So thanks filthy lot for the invite
and good luck with your new show and all that good stuff.
Someone in chat said,
where can we spectate this lovely content?
I'm assuming it will be a VOD?
I have no idea how they've got things set up
because they've taken some fairly unique approaches.
Like for example,
they're premiering their new show today, right?
Like I said,
well, they decided to live stream it to Twitch.
And then I actually don't know if there's a VOD
on YouTube yet.
It looks like they do have a VOD on Twitch though.
Yes.
So if you go to a filthy lot, one word.
Yeah, you guys can go check out the VOD.
Luke played too.
He was very helpful.
I was probably a lot less interesting, but.
Oh man.
I had fun.
I did too.
I had fun.
I tried to steal from the quest giver like immediately.
And then I lost hit points.
Well, not technically the quest giver.
No?
The corpse.
You tried to loot the corpse.
Oh, that's right.
Was the corpse his?
Yeah.
I don't even know why he attacked me.
Or did I try to,
maybe I did try to steal from the quest giver.
Oh no, I did.
I tried to loot the corpse that was there like immediately.
He like smashed your finger.
I thought I was playing Final Fantasy.
You just loot all the things.
Yeah.
You're like in someone's house,
like having a conversation with them.
Let me smash your jars.
One sec, can I just?
Let me break all your pottery.
I need rupees.
Now I have a confession.
I have not touched my computer in the last week
because I just have been busy.
And also it's,
it's more work than I want
to do the things that I want to do.
Is that a form of quitting?
No.
No, I don't have to use my computer at home.
Ever?
And it's still, well, like, okay, okay.
I shouldn't say I haven't touched,
like I've sent some emails and stuff.
Like it's, it's, it's still my daily driver computer.
I haven't pulled up my laptop at home.
Okay.
To use.
No, no, I just, I haven't.
I interpreted that as like,
you avoided that computer.
I didn't game all week.
Okay.
I did play some Mario Kart with my kids,
but that doesn't count.
Yeah, I didn't game all week.
So I don't really have any updates on the Linux challenge,
but you alluded in the pre-show to having some significant
updates.
Yeah.
So we didn't really,
so the last challenge we were like thinking about doing it
this week.
And then we technically have more time.
Cause we have until the 10th, I think.
Yeah. Something like that.
That's still next Wednesday.
And then like it could extend, whatever.
We have one more challenge that we need to do.
One more specific challenge that goes alongside us.
Just having to use it all the time.
I have increased the amount of computers.
Really?
My laptop.
You're going Linux on the laptop, on the razor blade.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
Yeah.
Tell me about this.
Well, I, I have said from the very, there's, there's,
there's things that Linux is really, really, really,
really good at.
And there's things that are, you know, a little rough.
And this whole challenge is based around gaming.
So we've been kind of shoved headfirst
into a lot of the stuff that's pretty rough.
Right.
Right.
But like the, and,
and I feel like maybe we haven't done this enough
because the community is really butthurt,
but then I feel like the community is going to be really
butthurt no matter what we do.
So I don't know.
But like infrastructure, professional, server hosting,
all that kind of stuff.
Amazing.
Unparallel.
And actually, did we even talk about part three
of the challenge where we had to do mundane tasks,
like print a document?
I don't think we have.
Did we talk about it last week?
Guys, let us, let me know in the floatplane chat
if we talked about that last week.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
But yeah, the, I feel like the other end of the spectrum
from the like crazy high level stuff
that it's really good at.
Yeah.
I think the really basic stuff, it's also quite good at.
Yeah.
So I've seen a lot of criticism of the challenge
from people that are saying Linux is totally fine
for the average user because all they need to do
is check their email and like edit a spreadsheet
once in a while.
And it's like, yes, but it was always a gaming perspective.
Yeah.
It was never my grand perspective because you're right.
My grand totally could use Linux.
Yeah.
So all I ever use my laptop for is like Teams,
which I've kind of figured out at this point.
It's not a problem anymore.
Slack and a web browser.
So it's totally fine.
Yeah.
And I'm genuinely finding at this point in time
that I'm getting more into,
cause my whole argument and the reason why I abandoned Linux
last time that I abandoned it,
because I tried Linux, I think four years ago.
Yeah.
And I tried it for a little bit
and then I was really frustrated
because it kept getting in my way of just working.
Cause all I wanted to do was turn the computer on,
work and turn it off.
But like we used the example that I've given in the past
on Wansho, I believe,
was that updating Discord was like a chore,
but I used Discord at that point in time for Floatplane.
So I needed it.
Right.
And it was annoying to update it.
Now Discord's super easy to use on Linux.
Super easy.
And people brought that up
before I had installed Linux at all.
So I installed Linux this time and yeah,
updating Discord is easy.
Updating Slack is easy.
Updating Teams is easy.
Updating your browser is easy.
All the things that I would need to do for work,
honestly, at this point in time,
Linux is getting in my way less than Windows.
I believe it'd be easier to use.
So I'm trying to go in that direction
because if that was my argument in the past,
now Windows is losing.
So I should be using Linux on my work computer.
So I am.
Greg Yeo says,
"'Linux is amazing for gaming.'
Period.
I'm baffled about the hardships you have had.
Maybe using an AMD GPU would help you just a little."
I've seen a ton of comments suggesting
that our problem is our GPU.
That is not the problem.
I don't think I've ran into any issues
that are related to the GPU.
The GPU experience has honestly,
after all the warnings that I got,
other than navigating through their driver,
which is terrible,
like the control panel.
Oh, the software.
Yeah, the control panel is terrible.
But in terms of just playing games,
the GPU driver has been the least problematic
part of any of it.
We've gone into some performance issues in Anno
and maybe, but that wasn't a big deal.
Yeah, that also might've been my fault
for installing Uplay using Lutris
and then downloading Anno
instead of installing Anno using Lutris.
But that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about
where it's like, no,
this is actually not intuitive and not user-friendly.
We should talk about the,
apparently we did not talk about part three.
So we've filmed part three already.
Guys, there's some people asking like,
where the heck are these freaking videos?
So part one has been delayed to YouTube
because we've had embargoed releases,
time-sensitive videos that have kept bumping it
and bumping and bumping
because the Linux challenge is not,
I understand it's time-sensitive from your perspective.
You wanna watch it,
but it's not time-sensitive from a,
oh my goodness, this product launches today.
If we don't cover it today,
no one will care about it tomorrow.
We must launch this video.
So we've been pushing it, pushing it,
pushing and pushing it.
And then part two has been delayed
by the absolute cluster hump of footage
that I provided to the editors.
My screen cap is like kind of tied to my doc
of just general notes,
but then my scripts,
while they are derived from my doc of general notes,
also have other thoughts that I've added after the fact.
So putting together the exact moment of screen cap
that's supposed to accompany every point
that I make in those is gonna be very challenging.
And I would have gone through and done it for them,
but I have been absolutely slammed.
I have not had any time to look at it.
Part three is delayed by part one not being up on YouTube
and part two not being edited and up on float plane,
but it is shot.
Luke and I have done all of the work for it.
And what was, I mean, I think we can,
we can definitely tease part of it,
but part three, we decided to pivot.
Part three was supposed to be game launchers,
but because I just have not kept up
with getting all the game launchers installed,
I was like, hey, Luke, can we make part four, part three?
And he was like, yeah, pretty much, I don't care.
So part three ended up being non-gaming.
So James created a series of challenges for us.
And how did you do?
It was like-
Don't give them the exact like score or anything,
but like, how'd you feel about non-gaming on Linux?
I was pretty confident going into it,
but I like, I was pretty confident
before I knew what the tasks were,
but I was a little bit concerned.
I like pre-downloaded a few programs,
just expecting some things.
Cause we had time limits for each one of the tasks.
And I didn't want like downloading things
to affect me heavily.
And I knew like, I could probably argue,
like let's just not worry about the amount of time
it took to download the thing.
Cause that's going to be the same on pretty much everything,
but I just didn't want to even think about it.
So I like pre-downloaded like GIMP,
which is a photo editing software
and like a couple of things that I was like,
you know what?
Editing a photo is probably a pretty standard task.
Let's make sure I have the stuff to do that.
And like, just do a couple of things.
As long as I could get them,
if I remember correctly, my rule for that was that
it was getting it from the package manager.
So if it was brain dead easy to find it and get it,
then I like let myself get it
before I read what the tasks were.
And then I read the tasks,
at which point I was not doing anything
until the event started.
And I was like, sweet.
You're ready to rock.
This is going to be really easy.
I didn't even need anything that I pre-downloaded.
The like, the one thing that I told you on the call,
I had to get that during the challenge.
Cause I didn't pre-download that.
Yeah.
So like, because that wasn't in the package manager.
So yeah.
And it ended up being incredibly easy
to the point where certain tasks there,
one very much in particular,
and you probably know what one I'm talking about,
was genuinely notably easier, I would argue on Linux,
than it, than I've had experiences
doing those types of things in the past.
And we can spoil that one.
I think you're talking about printing.
Yes.
So my ancient printer, there's only one place.
It's like some weird third-party driver repository
that still has drivers for it.
It's a CLP 310 or something.
Maybe you'll find another place for the drivers.
Don't send it to me.
I don't care.
I have it stored on my NAS now.
And it's like this whole,
it's this MSI that you have to extract
to actually grab the stupid, what are they dot?
I don't remember what the extension of the file type is.
Dot INI, is that it?
I don't care.
It doesn't matter.
The point is to find the actual like driver file.
And then you have to go through
and manually add the printer,
point it at the specific file,
and then it'll load and it works perfectly.
Everything is fine.
Because even though it's a Windows 7 driver,
I think it's a super old printer.
So even though it's a Windows 7 driver,
Microsoft has actually done an outstanding job
of maintaining driver compatibility from Microsoft,
from Windows Vista, really.
You can sometimes use Vista drivers on like Windows 10
and you'll get away with it.
Not every time, to be very clear.
So it works perfectly if you can figure out
how to install the freaking thing.
On Linux, I was like, uh-oh, how hard is this gonna be?
Because this is an ancient printer.
Add network printer.
And I was like, you mean this one?
I was like, yes.
And it was like, okay.
Yeah, mine like, my girlfriend has a printer.
I have not had a printer, I think ever.
I've just always used like other people's,
my parents, whatever.
And every once in a while when the printer turns on,
I'll just get a little like system notification
that's like, ah, printer connected.
So leading up until this task,
I've just been like, I wonder if that works.
I just have no reason to print anything ever.
Like I haven't had to print something in years.
Yeah, Jamal Taylor.
That's what happened, that's right.
Samsung sold their printer division to HP
who gave exactly zero flying Fs
about properly supporting the old Samsung versions
of the printers.
That's why I can't just go on Samsung's website
and download the driver package for it anymore.
Now I remember now.
There you go.
But yeah, printing.
Like one of the most like stereotypical things
that's annoying to do on Windows.
Yes.
Like attaching printers was just the easiest thing ever.
And we've been saying for years,
like this should be so much-
How is printing so broken?
And then-
It turns out it's Microsoft's fault.
Yeah.
Good to know.
Nice, yeah.
Yeah, thanks for that.
Thanks for clearing all of that up for me real good.
It's ridiculous.
So that's gonna be an interesting one.
We've got us, I think it's 12 challenges
that we have to go through.
And then we have a time limit
that is allotted to each challenge.
You may not spend longer than 15 minutes.
And I did run into one kind of Linuxism.
There was something that is very simple to do
if you happen to know the utility to use.
So Luke blew right through it.
Oh, yeah.
And I was not able to complete it-
Mine was luck.
Within my 15 minutes.
Now I could have done it.
I could have done it if I had like two hours
to dedicate to it, to finally find a guide.
But you guys are gonna see,
especially in a time constrained environment,
which can happen without the artificial 15 minute timer.
But if you don't have all the time in the world
to figure out how to do a basic freaking thing,
it can be an extremely frustrating experience.
And that particular one ended up not being simple.
When you see how not simple mine was,
it'll blow your mind.
You'll be like, how is this not one button?
How is this not completely automatic?
Like it was for yours.
And like, I just tried to Google it.
Like what would I do?
Cause the first thing that I-
Sorry, I was scratching my leg.
The first thing that I did was just Google
the exact name of the program that I like using on Windows.
And then the word Linux after it.
Yeah.
And lo and behold, it happens to have a Linux version.
So that was very lucky.
But I just tried Googling the term I would have used
if I had no knowledge of that program in the past.
It did not come up.
Yeah.
So I didn't Google anything
because I already had an application pre-installed
as part of my distro or desktop environment,
whatever determines which application I got.
Sure.
That supported that file format
and supported that functionality.
Right.
But required me to go and create like a certificate
in order to do it.
And the guide for how to do that
was like really focused on like more like web developers
as opposed to what I was trying to do.
And that's the thing about Google.
Google search is amazing.
If you happen to be looking for the answer
that everyone else who used those keywords was looking for.
But as soon as you've got a keyword
that sounds like something,
but is actually something else, you are done.
I've actually run into situations where,
I don't even remember what Microsoft's doing, Bing.
I've actually run into situations where Bing
has managed to get me the result I need
that Google can't provide me because it sucks so much.
Because it's just like, what are you looking for?
Oh, here's some random crap.
Oh, thanks, Bing.
This is another example of what I'm talking about.
The bit man says, comparing Windows gaming on Linux
isn't super fair either.
It's more comparable to emulating other platforms games,
eGPS5, than running native Windows games.
This is the same kind of argument that I see
when it's like, no, it's not fair.
It's not fair to run that DDR5 on that one.
Or it's not fair to turn hyper-threading on an Intel CPUs.
That was a thing back in the day.
It's not fair to turn on hyper-threading
because AMD CPUs don't have it.
So you should eliminate variables.
It's like, no, no.
What we're evaluating is the user experience
and users want to play video games.
And so if your options are install this or install this,
and your goal is play video games,
it doesn't matter from a user standpoint, user experience.
It doesn't matter if one of them is emulating
or rather not emulating.
It doesn't matter if one of them is emulating
and one of them is running it natively.
It just matters what the user experience is.
Nothing else is relevant.
There's also little things like-
Yeah.
It's not fair or unfair.
It just is.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Life's not fair.
I personally think that,
and you're going to run into this type of stuff
on Windows too.
100%. Absolutely.
Okay.
I ran into some really dumb stuff on Windows today.
I can't remember what it was.
We run into really dumb stuff on Windows all the time.
Yeah.
Like we're not-
I remember.
We're not trying to be Windows Crusaders.
Yeah.
So here's a really dumb one.
It opened VPN.
Okay.
So sometimes I'll accidentally leave it connected
and I'll put my computer to sleep, like on my laptop.
If I wake it up and I still have the folder
that I was navigating using my VPN connection open,
no amount of reconnecting it and reconnecting it
will allow me to-
Windows Explorer just gets confused.
Yeah.
I will not be able to do anything with that folder.
I have to go restart the-
I have to close open VPN, restart the Explorer process,
open, open VPN, connect to it, then open Explorer,
then I'll be able to navigate.
And it's just like these stupid kinds of dances,
solid mixer.
I disagree that command line is not a good user experience
for a gamer.
There is no disagree.
That just, you're just objectively wrong.
I'm sorry.
Thank you for being one of my paid subscribers.
Love you.
But you're actually just wrong.
There is, there is, there, I should say there are,
there are people that are willing to take you up
on the challenge of being able to complete operations
faster in a command line than you can in a GUI.
Really?
Okay.
I think those people, if I could argue-
Who are they?
Just somebody on Twitter.
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
I thought you meant like the float plane staff.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah.
I think those people would be looking
for intentionally loaded situations.
Well, yeah, sure.
Extremely buried.
If you have to copy 8,000 files or something like that.
Yeah, sure.
I don't even know necessarily,
but like, I think there might be situations
where it is better.
I think overall you're gonna be better using a GUI,
but anyways.
Solid mixer, it's not subjective.
For 99% of the things the typical gamer would need to do
on their computer, it is faster to use a GUI.
Cause that's, that's part of the problem, right?
Is, is, is, sorry, I keep moving away from the mic.
You do.
That's, I think part of the problem is that we're,
we're dealing with terms that some people might be using
in different ways.
So like when he's saying like a gamer,
well, there could be someone who's like a, a, a,
a DevOps Linux admin at work and a gamer at home.
And when they want to do stuff on their computer,
they're so native to the command line
that they're just going to be able to do it faster.
That's fine.
Right.
But that just means they suck at using a GUI then.
Sure.
In those situations.
Yeah.
And like a lot of gaming things are visual anyways.
So like, yeah, you can probably find a way to,
you can definitely start your games through the command line,
but it's going to be faster.
Like I see a lot of arguments for installing applications
using the command line on Linux.
Spooky dookie.
But the problem with that is that it assumes
that you already know to the exact character,
what the name of the package you're trying to install is.
Well, you can, you can also query a list, but I mean,
that's not faster than the command line then.
Yeah.
You should use your package manager,
or rather you should use your graphical package manager.
If it's there.
Or you should Google it.
Yeah.
So either way, this is one of those things where,
unless you happen to have that requisite knowledge.
And I feel like a lot of people live in a bit of a bubble.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of that going on.
Where they're assuming people have this requisite knowledge.
When I say gamer, I don't mean you.
You might be a gamer.
Sure. That's cool.
But you're also a lot of other things.
Maybe you're a father.
Maybe you're a martial artist.
Maybe you're a musician.
Right?
When I say gamer, I'm talking about gamers in general.
In general, gamers do not want to use the command line
and is not more efficient.
The core question.
So we talked earlier about how like the core idea is,
is using Linux for gaming.
The core question is essentially is, is,
is now the year of the Linux desktop.
And one of the prerequisites for that to be a thing.
Yeah.
For gaming.
For a lot of people.
For a lot of people.
Not everyone.
But I'd say in a lot of situations, it's,
it almost doesn't even matter because like, if, if,
if it's a family computer.
Sure.
If gaming is important for one of the people.
Yes.
They're going to push that argument really hard.
There's a lot of forever alones that don't have a family
to share their computer.
That's true.
They might already be running Linux.
I can't believe you just did that.
You set me up.
You knew that was coming.
That was so on purpose.
You can't even say, you can't believe I just did that.
When you literally like you threw the alley-oop.
I can't believe you've done this.
And you were like, bro, get it.
Anyways.
It's the, so the idea is, is it time yet?
And like, while the experience for you as a gamer
who uses Linux might be all right,
it's general population doesn't want to learn command line
and it's, it's not going to change.
It's not going to happen.
That is literally never going to happen.
I promise you that.
The whole industry is going the other direction.
So.
Solid Mixer says, hey, that's cool if we disagree.
Thanks for doing the challenge anyway.
It's cool to see you guys trying it out.
Yeah. I'm, I'm enjoying it.
I'm having fun.
Great response.
So one landmine thing that we ran into,
and this was not pre-planned.
This was not planned before we started this challenge.
I don't even think this was planned before that night,
but we wanted to play Supreme Commander,
Forge Alliance Forever.
We wanted to play it because we played on Windows.
It's a fun game.
You should try it.
We also had some amount of information,
which was that Linus had looked it up
and there was an official guide from the community,
official from community, whatever,
to get Forge Alliance Forever working on Linux.
So going into this project,
we know there's a game that we want to play
and we know that it works on Linux, right?
Yeah.
This is one of those problems
where like the argument was brought up earlier.
And the thing that I was actually trying to refer this to
is a little in the past now,
but the argument came up that like,
oh, well you're just playing games
that like aren't really compatible with Linux
or no one's figured out the compatibility layer stuff
or whatever else.
It's like, okay, in this situation,
we actually tried to find a game
that people had already figured out all the stuff for.
And lo and behold, you can get it to run,
but the guide is super, super, super out of date
to the point where there's packages
that it's telling you to download
that are not in those repositories anymore.
So you actually can't get them.
You have to find a different way to get them.
And that different way to get them is extremely unintuitive
to the point where there was people suggesting ways
for us to get it that were like self-proclaimed Linux nerds
and experts and those ways were wrong, which is fine.
Like I'm not blaming them,
but like all I'm saying is it was very unintuitive
and it was difficult to do.
And that's a bad experience compared
to the alternative experience on Windows
where you download the EXE file,
you install it, you log in.
So I will usually, they work very hard.
Sometimes they have some downtime.
They're great community.
I actually posted in the Discord.
That's what I was trying to pull up my post just as a user.
I just posted in the technical help Discord.
I did use my username,
but a lot of the people there don't know who the heck I am.
And I was like, hey, so I'm running on Linux.
Is that like this guide?
I had a hard time following this guide.
And they were like, ooh, that guide.
Yeah, there's really no excuse for this
given that like some of the really prominent members
of the community actually daily drive Linux
and game exclusively in Forge Alliance Forever on Linux.
They were just like, yeah.
Okay, here, yeah, I found my post.
Anyone want to update the how to install FAF on Linux doc?
I haven't been able to play for three weeks lol.
And they're like, which doc are you using?
I post the Wiki, their own Wiki.
And I'm like, Java is kicking my ass.
They're like, no, someone else pops in.
Yeah, that's out of date.
Use this forum thread.
I believe there's a LuchaScript.
I don't think so.
Their Wiki didn't have the LuchaScript.
Also, I think I tried the LuchaScript.
I haven't tried it since they suggested it.
So maybe it's been updated or something,
but I thought we tried the LuchaScript
as part of the process.
And I think it was out of date as well.
I remember there being something not good with LuchaScript.
Some kind of problem.
And that's, yes, that's a community thing.
But one of the problems with the Linux setup,
having tons of different distros,
having tons of different DEs,
having a lot of community base,
is you always have a circular loop of excuses
that you can go through.
And none of it matters.
User experience, two words.
That's it.
So the user experience, spoiler alert for non-gaming.
Very good.
Very good.
I would argue very good.
Maybe even excellent.
Yeah, which is why I'm switching, to say it again,
which is why I'm genuinely switching
my work laptop to Linux.
And I genuinely think it's gonna be
a significantly better experience.
But that doesn't mean that it's perfect.
And so what I'm hoping is that there are definitely
some members of the Linux community
that do not wanna hear anything other than
that Linux is perfect and amazing.
But there are a lot of members of the community
that do seem to be seeing this feedback
and understanding that actually there are things
that need to improve.
And if an above average technical user
is running into problems that are as simple as,
okay, I'm not able to open and manipulate
this type of document without ending up down
six rabbit holes of ways to create
a local security certificate on your system,
like this is ridiculous, that something's gotta change.
And it's not something that is fundamentally
wrong with Linux.
It's just something that needs to be optimized
across the various distros and desktop environments.
Or ideally, you just have a consolidation take place
for desktop environments and for distros,
because right now one of the biggest problems
is the fragmentation.
And it's like, I understand that a lot of them
have their own strengths, but I also believe
that if there were more people working together
towards a single goal, progress would probably
be faster in at least some ways.
There's also, yeah, I don't know.
There's also bits like, this came up
in the EposVox video, I don't know if you've seen it.
Oh, I didn't.
Apparently EposVox was like doing this already.
Oh, really?
But hadn't released any content on it.
So like, oops, no, we did not steal the idea.
He doesn't say that we did, et cetera.
Sorry, Eddie.
He didn't say that we did.
Yeah, well, either way, I mean, it's still awkward.
Like I, that stupid Kyle's bathroom gaming setup video,
I had wanted to make that video for like two years.
I had pitched it to so many brands and like the week
or two weeks before we finally, finally released our video,
he's like, I put a gaming setup in the bathroom.
Same thing with Austin, his Walmart gaming PC.
Like we ended up delaying it because pandemic
and then delaying it because we were working
with a brand on it, blah, blah, blah.
Austin released his like a week before ours.
I, I, if you remember, there was the, there was that,
we ran, we filmed a nerd sports,
which is the hockey nerd sports video.
I like cut my ankles up.
Then I had to come back to the office
and film the networking wall video
and then go directly to a plane.
And that ends up launching like while Brandon and I
are in Switzerland or wherever the heck we are.
But Jay's video on a networking wall
goes out like one to two days earlier or something.
And that was one of the biggest like bro moves
Jay's ever done for me, which was essentially
when that came up, like obviously these things
have much bigger runtime than that.
I obviously didn't copy them.
And when his community was like, Hey man, Luke copied you.
His response was like, no.
And I was like, thank you.
That's actually so cool.
I really, I will never forget that.
And I appreciate it a lot, but yeah.
We should probably move on.
EVGA lost a literal truckload of GPU's.
Oh crap, sorry.
Before we do, what I was trying to say
about the EposVox video is,
and I have mentioned this on this show
and I strongly defend it.
If you're running like Arch,
the whole internet says you shouldn't run Arch.
So whatever, but I would say that a problem with that
is there's a fair amount of distros that are based on Arch.
Garuda is the specific one that EposVox is talking about
that have a lot of the same issues,
but are advertised to general audience.
I had Garuda blasted to me a ton.
Oh yeah, I got a ton of recommendations from Manjaro.
People are like,
where did you get the idea of using Manjaro?
From all the people who said that it was-
It was one of the highest voted ones
on one of the polls I've ever read.
From the people who said that it was good
because it was like more bleeding edge
and better for newer hardware.
It's actually really interesting
to see a lot of the talking points that get parroted
about why we're having a bad experience.
It's because we don't have an AMD GPU.
Actually it has nothing to do with that.
Or it's because we're running really exotic hardware.
The only thing in my setup that I think qualifies as exotic,
now that I know that the Thunderbolt 3 dock
works absolutely effortlessly, is my audio mixer.
Everything else about my setup is like,
what, exotic what?
It's a Threadripper 3000,
which is not a new CPU or platform
by any stretch of the imagination.
It's a 2000 series Nvidia card.
That's not even a consumer chip, is it?
It's a workstation chip,
but it doesn't matter.
The point is just that it's a CPU from like,
it was released almost two years ago.
Linux is all tuned fairly well for workstation stuff.
Sorry, keep going.
Yeah, so I've got like, again,
I've got like an 18 month old GPU.
And then beyond that, what makes a computer exotic?
Yeah, I don't have anything exotic.
Nothing.
Yeah.
Like I see a lot of people just kind of going,
oh, there's a problem, must be this thing I heard.
But you have to actually look at what the problems are
in order to find out if they're correlated
with that like thing you heard about before.
Nick Light is poking his head around the corner.
What can I do for you, Nick?
The mics are super, super directional.
So they're not going to be able to hear you
pretty much at all.
I'm just trying to make sure you don't stay here all night.
You should start doing verse messages soon
because there's a lot of them.
Oh, okay.
All right, I will have a look at that.
There's definitely a couple of topics
we want to look at pretty quick here.
EVGA announced-
Oh, sorry.
I still got to get this out about the arch thing.
He talks in his video about how there's sentiment
on arch boards that updating your system is user error.
Oh yeah, a hundred percent.
That's crazy.
That's absolutely like-
That's crazy if you want-
Okay, and I've talked about this before.
If you're super, super hardcore,
there being a distro for you is cool.
Yes.
And if updating is user error,
because you should know what is in all of those updates
and if it causes a problem that's on you,
that's fine in those super hardcore environments.
I actually support that.
That's totally cool.
But when there's other distros
that don't have the red flags that arch does.
Yeah.
Because they might even be based on arch.
That's a little rough.
Yeah.
Like, and then fragmentation becomes kind of weird.
Cause like, why are you even making Garuda?
Why do you, why do you exist?
Or why are you advertising it in the way that you are?
That might even be a different problem.
Well, I mean, it's, you gotta,
words are a funny thing, right?
We got to avoid the word advertising
because my understanding is nobody in,
or yeah, Garuda doesn't advertise.
Nobody's paying to promote Garuda.
So it becomes just this,
it becomes this really complicated
sort of game of messenger, messenger, what's the telephone?
It becomes this complicated game of telephone
where you've got users who are
understandably enthusiastic about the things that they love,
creating narratives that just don't make any sense.
And like maybe there is some really big reason for it.
I have done zero, almost zero independent research on,
on Garuda.
I was just watching the EposVox video,
check it out, it's pretty good.
I saw it recommended quite a few times.
But yes, exactly.
I got it recommended to me a bunch.
And if I didn't do like tons of research into it,
I might not have known that the community
would have told me that updating my system
was user error.
And if I knew that I would have never used that distro,
but it's not like Garuda is often not communicated
with the same red flags that Arch has.
And I think it should be, I don't know, whatever.
Moving on.
EVGA lost an entire truckload of GPUs
to bandits essentially.
So they said that they were stolen from a truck
on route from San Francisco
to their Southern California Disney Center.
And the notice states the company is aware
of each graphics card taken during the incident
with individual's values ranging from 330 US dollars
to 2000 US dollars.
They were quick to note that it is a criminal
and civil offense to buy or receive property
that has been stolen.
And they went a step further
and actually canceled the warranties
on all of the cards in the shipment.
So they will not register or honor any warranty
or upgrade claims on these products.
So if you're buying an EVGA GP online
for the next little bit,
maybe think twice unless you're getting it from
a reputable site.
Now, discussion question here from Colin is,
what do you think are the odds
that these are just gonna be sold off on mass
to a mining operation?
Yeah, that is definitely,
definitely what is gonna happen to them.
You don't accidentally steal a truckload of GPUs.
You have some idea what the heck you're gonna do with those
when you're done.
Our next topic, Facebook is deleting its book of faces.
Just days after rebranding itself,
Facebook announced plans to delete a trove
of the facial recognition data that they've collected
on more than a billion individuals.
Metas, I'm not calling them meta,
Facebook's VP of artificial intelligence
says the social network was making the change
because of many concerns about the place
of facial recognition technology in society,
adding that the company still saw the software
as a powerful tool,
but every new technology brings with it potential
for both benefit and concern.
Yeah, that's a big,
I wonder why Facebook actually got rid of it all.
Yeah, like purely because they wanna be seen
in a better light.
So this feature was called deep face
and it was actually introduced in December, 2010
to help save time tagging people in photos.
It would automatically suggest people
who appeared in a user's digital photo album
and you could just tag them with a click
instead of typing a whole thing,
which is like actually a pretty cool feature
and I can see why people would wanna use stuff like that.
So Facebook is deleting the data,
but several of meta's current projects show
that the company has no plans to stop collecting data
about people's bodies.
Hyper realistic avatars could be coming,
which track your facial movements.
They've got a new VR headset
that tracks the aforementioned facial movements
and eye movement.
They also weighed, but didn't implement,
incorporation of facial recognition
into their Ray-Ban glasses club.
Okay, that is actually something that I would love to have
as someone who's so bad with faces and names.
Just like a pair of glasses that did absolutely nothing,
but pop up the name of whoever I'm talking to,
I would love that.
Obvious privacy nightmare, that ain't happening.
Ain't happening, but.
It'd be kind of nice if it could learn off of local data.
So you could like, let me add you to my contacts.
Yeah, I mean, that I think would be less invasive,
but I could still see people having concerns,
but man, when I'd hit them trade shows,
I'd be like, I know who you are.
I know who you are.
I actually don't, but my glasses do.
My glasses, remember?
Yeah.
Don't install that app.
Craig says a criminal might be in it.
This is from Jonathan Horst.
On Wednesday at Web Summit 2021,
Software Senior Vice President at Apple,
Craig Federighi said in a keynote
that sideloading is a criminal's best friend.
You wouldn't sideload an app?
Here's the quote.
I want to address an argument I hear a lot.
Let people choose whether or not to sideload.
Let them judge the risks,
but history shows us that it doesn't play out
the way we'd hope,
because even if you have no intention of sideloading,
people are routinely coerced or tricked into doing it.
So if you want to install Pokemon Go on that old phone
that it says it's not compatible on,
even though it definitely works for sure,
don't do it apparently, I guess,
because you might be a criminal.
He's got a fair point.
I can't sit here and go, blah, blah, blah.
The user experience, user experience, user experience,
it's a fair point here that the user experience
could be bad if you're not an educated user.
I mean, all you have to do-
I don't think that's the argument here at all.
How does that make any sense?
He's basically saying the user experience
for a non-educated user-
But it's not criminal.
Well, okay, Pokemon Go wouldn't be,
but like a cyber criminal could trick you
into sideloading an app fairly easily.
But does that mean that it should be like banned
or something?
Like what's the point?
Well, that's his argument.
I'm stupid.
I hate it.
All right.
Fair enough.
It's because I think that like,
I don't know how this applies,
but this feels like in the same kind of line
as right to repair.
Like sideloading is already very hidden on your phone.
It's not something you're going to naturally just do.
No, but it is-
I would bet hard money that the vast,
vast majority of people have never sideloaded an app.
That's probably true.
So who cares?
This is not something that's affecting like
the vast, vast majority of average random users.
And it would be very annoying if it was impossible.
Well, it is on iOS.
Yeah. And it is annoying.
This is really funny.
Jonathan says,
can we please stop referring to it as sideloading?
It's installing.
And we've been doing it for decades.
Yes.
That's fair.
That would be like saying on Linux,
you can't install things
unless it's in the package manager now.
Or on Windows saying like,
whoa, you know that Microsoft store
that you probably don't like?
You have to use it for literally everything now.
I think that it could be as simple
as Apple just putting roadblocks in place that go,
you know, don't do this.
But then if the Linux challenge has taught me anything,
it's that users who aren't familiar
with the type of errors that a particular platform spits out-
Yes, listen to what I say.
Yeah. Yes, do as I say,
or whatever the thing I had to type in was,
might not realize what a big deal that error is.
The number of people that are still kind of writing that
is kind of mind blowing.
You did that from the package manager though.
If installing an app on the iOS app store deleted your UI,
I would say, yeah, maybe there's an issue with that too.
But this is, they're talking about sideloading.
If you were doing something super advanced,
that's different.
Installing Steam through a package manager
isn't like a super advanced action.
There should be no expectation there
if your user experience isn't complete trash,
that it's gonna like destroy your UI.
What people are mad about is that it clearly said
what it was going to do.
Yeah, it also clearly said a giant book worth
of other stuff.
Yeah, and it also, most of the things that were very scary
that it was removing were not things that an average user
would even be able to read and understand what they are.
Like if you look at it, take off the years
of Linux experience that you have,
you might not even know that DE is gonna be short
for desktop environment.
Why would you know that?
Why would anyone other than a Linux user
be familiar with that terminology?
Nobody else calls it that.
So anyway, switch modder, Gary Bowser pleads guilty,
owes Nintendo four and a half million dollars.
Gary has admitted, actually, I'm gonna call him Bowser.
Bowser has admitted that SXOS devices primary design
was to play pirated ROMs and was part of a group
called Team Excelsior.
He was arrested last year in the Dominican Republic
and then extradited to the United States,
admitted, sorry, extradited.
Team Exeggutor.
Team Exeggutor, sorry.
Did I call it the wrong thing?
Excelsior.
Did I call it that?
Yeah.
Like I said, very tired.
All good.
Admits he knowingly and willfully participated
in a cyber criminal enterprise
that hacked leading gaming consoles
and they developed, manufactured, marketed,
and sold a variety of circumvention devices
between June, 2013 and last year.
Also created and supported ROM libraries.
Nintendo alleges 65 to 150 million in losses
from copyright infringement.
Okay, Nintendo, it doesn't quite work that way.
And at one point actually released new Switch hardware
that was designed to thwart these efforts
and Team Exeggutor then made new devices
that could be soldered onto the Switch's internal circuit
board, actually haven't really kept up
with the whole Nintendo console modding thing
now that it's so risky to mod it
and they can remotely brick your device.
So this is one of Nicholas Plouffe's discussion points here.
Should we stop buying Nintendo games?
How else will Nintendo realize it doesn't make sense
to prosecute homebrewers when their first party
retro options suck?
They do, they're really horrible.
From a legal standpoint, no,
we don't really have a leg to stand on.
They are the rights holders,
but from a just gamer attitude standpoint,
I totally see where you're coming from, Plouffe,
and I will not be buying any of Nintendo's-
Just don't buy their retro stuff.
Retro Switch stuff.
I honestly don't do that, it's terrible.
You mentioned the like,
most people aren't going to know what DE means.
So the floatplane chat started making like random guesses,
like Desert Eagle, D-Dust, like.
Yeah, yeah.
Got a couple more good topics here.
Squid Game cryptocurrency was a scam.
Rug pull.
Plot twist.
You weren't able to get money back out of it
when you bought in, and then out of nowhere,
they just took everything.
Get wrecked.
Yep, so that happened.
Be careful if you're going to mess around with crypto.
This one's from Anthony and he's mad, okay?
EA Sports, it's in the chain.
Okay, EA CEO Andrew Wilson said
during the most recent earnings call
that NFTs in the blockchain are the future of the industry.
Anthony Young's take, no, they are effing not.
And he specifically highlighted
a couple of keywords for me here.
NF and T, thank you, Anthony,
for the steaming hot pile of take right there.
EA hasn't laid any plans
for how this will be accomplished, however.
This is hot on the heels of Ubisoft's own plans
to bring NFTs to its games just last week.
Interestingly, Ubisoft talks of games
using a play-to-earn model,
which would dole out digital content to players
for playing the games,
presumably with longer play time getting rare drops,
or something like that.
Anthony goes, I can see,
I can't see any way this could backfire,
as if I needed another reason
to hate both of these companies.
NFTs for the uninitiated are non-fungible tokens.
So that's the concept that ties ownership
of a digital good to a ledger or to a blockchain
in an effort to make the sale
of digital assets more trustworthy.
Here comes the Anthony rant.
Do you want to read the Anthony rant?
Sure, I'm mad.
This sounds great in theory,
but there is a very real problem with NFTs
where artists, far from getting paid for their work,
are having their work, or even tweets,
converted to NFTs and sold by third parties.
Sometimes programmatically by bots,
it's being abused for pump and dump schemes,
and NFTs notoriously sell for ridiculous sums of money
as a result.
Several NFT games have launched and attempted to launch,
many with stolen art assets made into NFTs,
some, I'm just ad-libbing this bit,
but some even the cover art for the game,
like one of the most obvious things
that you don't even need to play the game to see
has been stolen art, which is pretty epic.
It's unsurprising that EA Games would want in,
but in the meaning of the term as it exists today,
I can't see this working out.
Oh, and NFTs require a buttload of power
because they typically use proof-of-work blockchains,
which is a thing, yep.
Valve, for their part, wants nothing to do with NFTs,
and they have blocked cryptocurrency and NFT games
from the Steam platform.
And in response to Valve's ban,
Tim Sweeney announced that Epic Games Store
would welcome them after having criticized NFTs
for exactly the same reasons that Anthony's rant exists.
So yeah, thank you for your unwavering principles,
Mr. Sweeney, but hey.
So I think NFTs are an interesting concept.
I think the idea of having this non-fungible thing,
like this extremely modern version
of a certificate of authenticity, one-of type of situation
is a very interesting concept.
I think a lot of the ways that it's currently being used
is ridiculous, abusive, and illegal.
Which is why we are focused on
selling you guys physical goods, oh my word.
There's a few.
This is a bit of a problem.
We've got 142 merch messages that have rolled in
over the course of the show.
Hey guys, thank you very much for your support.
We are clearly not going to be able to read all of them,
but I'm gonna get through at least a few of them.
We need to get a character limit on that, please.
Got it.
Aaron. That's a good point.
Thanks to the WAN Show and LTT,
I've reignited my interest in IT.
Heck yeah.
The banana is pog.
All right, cool.
So would you like old school tweets, 120 characters?
Wow, people are super into the bananas.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, let's start with that and see how it goes.
Jay.
Not that Jay, different Jay.
I bought a 2080 Ti a month
before the 3000 series announcement.
I felt torn ever since if I made the right decision.
Yeah, you're fine.
You could still sell that for more than you paid for it
at this point.
Jareth says, Jareth got a stealth hoodie,
a mystery T-shirt, reflective circuit T-shirt,
two desk pads, good gravy.
What's the best way to clean the new spout lids?
I'd recommend getting one of those little like brush,
the circular brush things.
Also, I would strongly recommend only putting water
in water bottles, just cause it's way,
way easier to clean them.
You can throw the lid in the dishwasher
if you really wanted to, but do not put the bottle
in the dishwasher.
All right.
Tao says, how would you feel about your kids
wanting to join Facebook or Instagram?
Not yet.
Not any time soon.
Paul, yes, we know the geek is back at Intel.
So that's a good thing.
Since I got a brand new PCs, that's Chris.
Alexander, hi, longish time watcher of the channel,
bought an EVGA X99 board.
Oh, I bought the EVGA X99 board used
in the OG mineral oil PC from an LTX goer
on Reddit a while back.
Unfortunately, two capacitors fell off in shipping
when it arrived.
I tried to fix it, but the Xeon I had to test with
wasn't technically on the list of supported CPUs
and it didn't post.
The previous user had it working.
So not sure if it's my repair or the unsupported processor,
but I was wondering if there's a good board repair service
you could recommend, or if you wanted to have a go
at fixing it in a video or something.
Cool, I can't promise you that we would want
to do a video about that.
And honestly speaking, I would say that an X99 board
is probably not worth the cost of paying somebody else
to do a repair for you, to put a couple of caps back on.
With that said, maybe guys hit up the,
oh, go with maybe Twitch chat.
That's a bit of slower moving than the YouTube chat.
See if you can post some resources for Alexander
for a good guide to how to recap a motherboard.
Cody, I'm a PhD student working with semiconductors
and quantum dots.
Here's some money for all the help
the quantum dot videos have given me
to explain to people what I do.
Hey, thanks, Cody.
Got that banana for scale, ethernet t-shirt.
Patrick managed to grab
one of the few remaining WAN show hoodies.
So these messages are chungus.
Yeah, I might just not be able to do
a lot of the really long ones.
Thanks, Tyler.
Thanks, David.
Oh, wow, this is hilarious.
David managed to buy $307 worth of stuff,
like one of basically everything.
Hi Linus, one way to make the shipping cost
to Europe better is to order bigger.
By the way, can you make the Linux streams
you did with Luke on Twitch available as a VOD?
They are on float plane somewhere.
Sometimes they're hidden
because there's a bit of a weird thing
with our live VODs where it'll,
if we post stream twice in the same day,
it'll post as two video files on the same post.
So you might have to look at some WAN shows
and see if there's a second video file for some of them.
But I believe they're all on there.
Do you want to start doing some of these too?
Sure.
Duvall, full throttle 099 says hi Linus.
All right, cool.
Finally purchased from ltstore.com.
I've been watching for 11 to 12 years now.
Keep it up.
That's part of the community.
Brian went hard, bought the entire banana for scale pack.
I think it's called like bushel bananas or something.
We made like a bundle for it.
One of every color.
One of every color.
Also got three different lanyards
and two spout lids and a beanie.
That's gotta be one of the most interesting orders like ever.
You need a banana for scale for the scale bananas.
This is surprising.
Ryan bought the banana bunch as well.
So did Frank.
More people than I could have bought Garrod.
More people than I could have possibly expected
are buying the banana bunch.
They want all the bananas.
Hand of bananas, it's called hand of bananas.
Thanks Alexander and John, Pierce.
You know what?
They actually, the name goes up there
if they want to show their name anyway, doesn't it?
So I don't probably need to do just like name shout outs.
Do I?
Nope.
Pierce asks though,
is there an archive of the newsletter?
I signed up, but I haven't gotten anything yet.
Love the merch, keep up the high quality.
I have no idea.
I guess that's something that we could like maybe put
as a blog on the page or something.
We could try, we could make something for it.
Yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
Thanks Pierce.
Does that dissuade people
from signing up for the newsletter?
I don't think I care.
As long as they're like going on the site
and checking it out and learning something.
I mean, yeah, whatever, right?
That makes sense, yeah.
Nathaniel, could you guys sell a static grounding bracelet
that doubles as like an everyday wear bracelet?
That's kind of a cool idea too, isn't it?
An aesthetic.
Sorry?
No, nothing, sorry.
I love that idea.
I think that's so cool.
That's pretty neat.
All right, you know what?
I'm gonna write that down.
That sounds like a design challenge, but you know.
Yeah, well, the way that I imagine it
is you would have it kind of detachable
or something like that.
So everyday wear,
oops, backspace, ESD bracelet.
Yeah, I like it.
That's a cool idea.
Okay, what's next?
Will the Constellation shirt ever come back in stock?
Yes.
Thank you, John.
Thanks for all the great content.
Thank you, Frank.
Love the quality of your merch.
It is possible to see, is it possible to see?
Oh yeah, there's another person
asking for previous versions of the leak.
So I think a lot of people must've liked
the color theory one, and they want to see more, basically.
Christopher, I waited a week to order
just to see it pop up on the screen.
Oh, I love it.
Have you guys looked into making
computer-themed pin badges?
Yes.
Yeah, so we're working on,
sorry, pinned, you mean like pins, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we're working on some pins.
Sarah designed a GPU one that's going to be coming soon.
I'm talking to Nick about what we can do for,
a lot of the time orders come with a free item.
It's usually a pack of stickers.
In fact, it's always a pack of stickers right now.
But I want to explore whether our costs for pins
could be low enough that we could
actually make it your choice,
whether you want to get a sticker pack, a pin,
or maybe we could find like a fun little edible,
like gamer gummies or something like that.
And you could actually choose what you want,
and then we'll just make all those items available to buy.
Like right now you can't buy the sticker pack,
and we've had some complaints about that.
So we can make it,
and we've also seen people complain
that they don't care about stickers.
So making it people's option,
whether they want the free item or what free item they want,
I think could be kind of cool.
At least one person in chat got my aesthetic pun.
Oh, sorry.
I just completely didn't hear you.
It's okay.
Your products are amazing.
I agree with 90% of what you guys do.
10% is a healthy difference.
Plush banana.
I support this like Linus avoids challenges in Beat Saber.
Signed, Nefanor.
Thanks, Nefanor.
Whoa, ouch.
Ouch, got that fire.
Francois says, looking forward to the M1 Macs coverage.
Yes, it's coming.
And asks if gaming on macOS
can take advantage of the horsepower.
So my short circuit unboxing of the first M1 Macs,
Mac that I got my hands on,
I played me some, oh bloody hell, what's that game called?
Deus Ex Mankind Divided.
Okay, yeah.
Pretty cool.
It's a gaming Mac.
William bought the entire banana for scale package
and also an extra orange one.
So he has every single color, but two oranges.
That's epic.
Niamh's apparently been waiting
for the LAN hoodie for six months.
Yeah, I really shouldn't have started wearing this
on camera so early.
Nick got mad at me about how early I was wearing the thing,
but it certainly resulted in like crazy demand.
We already sold through almost all of our 4,000 units.
They're just, they're gone.
We've never seen anything quite like it.
Hayden says, thanks for selling the lid separate.
I've had my water bottle for almost two years
and the original lid finally broke.
I look forward to trying a new one.
Yeah, so we're also exploring other lid options.
And I think at some point in the future,
we'd love to see if there's a way to turn it
into like a configurator.
One of the cool things that Luke's team has been working on
is a configurator for the desk pad.
Is there any way for us to show that
to them conveniently or no?
But basically you enter the dimensions of your desk
and then you can select your desk pad
and it'll show you how good of a fit
that desk pad will be for your desk.
It's super rudimentary now,
but I find that particularly
because the measurements are in millimeters
and in North America, a lot of desks are in inches.
We've seen people kind of have a hard time,
at least mentally, visualizing how big that pad
is gonna look on their desk.
And we wanna make that a little bit easier for people.
You keep going, I'm trying to get it.
Thanks, Niamh.
Thanks, Kevin too.
Got my WAN hoodie today,
along with LTT water bottle for my nephew,
stocking up on some more gifts for the holidays.
Heck yeah.
Dustin says, Anthony slash Linux Fox plush when?
An Anthony plush.
Yeah, there's no reason we would only do a Linus plush.
I think we could do like some runs of some other plushes.
One of the things that I've worried about doing anyone
other than me is that I don't want it to seem
like we're playing favorites.
And I don't wanna turn it into like a political thing.
This is something we talked about back when we had thought
about doing, you know, like U2s,
like those little plastic figurines.
We had thought about contracting a factory
to make some of those for us.
And one of the things that we just kind of couldn't get past
was who do we do them for?
How do we avoid this turning into like a weird popularity
contest where someone gets their feelings hurt
because theirs doesn't sell very well or whatever.
And we just were like, forget it, just don't do it.
Adam asks, how much performance am I leaving on the table
at 1440p with a 4790K and a 3070?
I mean, honestly, you'd get some benefit
from upgrading your CPU at this point,
especially with the new launch,
but you're also not, at 1440p,
you're gonna be GPU bound in some games.
I don't think it's the end of the world.
I think the honest answer every time someone asks me,
okay, should I upgrade is, well, what's wrong with it?
Right?
Is there some kind of a bottleneck that is hurting
your gaming experience in a meaningful way?
And if not, then I mean, there's no reason
to just generate more electronic junk, right?
4790K is still a good chip.
It's a good chip, it's fast.
I don't share your screen.
I emailed you the desk pad configurator stuff,
download the files and then play them.
Also, maybe I should watch it first
to make sure there isn't anything in there,
but I don't think there is.
What was I gonna say?
This is a very early, like there's a reason
why it's not on the store yet, people.
So it's not perfect yet,
but this is kind of the concept that we're going for.
Jayden says, can you please make shipping cheaper?
Come on, I want to, I would love to.
It's just really hard because
we don't control shipping prices.
Haley says, hi Colton, among other things.
Hey, thanks Haley.
Lee bought the banana pack, all right.
The banana bunch, I guess we could call it.
Hey, you're welcome anonymous for the high quality merch.
James says, it's my birthday.
This is a present to myself.
Got the 1.2 meter by 30 centimeter Northern lights desk pad.
Heck yeah.
Yeah, it should be fine.
Aidan, minus as a user of Unraid,
does it bug you that years on
you can't customize the web GUI horizontally?
Oh man, I love the Unraid guys.
They're great, great people.
But there are many things that bother me
that are not fixed after years.
I love them, they're wonderful.
Jacob says, trans rights, bought a purple banana.
Heck yeah.
Patrick says, interesting time with Alder Lake.
I help people with computer problems for free
and I recently built my thousandth PC.
Wow, you keep track of that.
That's pretty cool.
That'd be a cool like, what a cool wall collage
that would be.
Like a picture of every computer you've built or something.
Oh, that'd be so cool.
I wish I had pictures of like the first computer
I built and stuff.
There's no, nothing, nothing at all.
Looking forward to the S2 tool steel bit screwdriver later.
Yeah, you better believe it.
Martin, I've been watching the WAN show
since it was recorded on the couch.
That is a lot of shirts.
It's like one of every shirt in a water bottle.
Question, back on the couch,
you explained you were saying same bad time,
same bad channel.
Ah, okay.
No, it was never saying bat time, same bat channel
like the old Adam West Batman.
It was always bad time, bad channel.
Oh wait, no, I might've actually said bat time, bad channel.
I think I was, yeah, I think it was just a reference.
You used to say bat and now you say bat.
Now it's bad because the show is always late.
That's right, there's your answer.
Yeah.
And I just, I like, I like the reference.
It's funny show.
You actually confused me at one point.
Yeah.
Cause I started realizing you were saying bad
and I was like, wait, what?
Because I remember this same explanation
that Martin is bringing up.
Anatoly's comment is I would like my purchase to appear
as an alert on the LTT stream.
Anatoly, mission accomplished.
Got him.
Love it. Nice.
Ah, okay.
New constellation shirt, when asks Zach.
I know, I know.
So we have our first shipment of our own t-shirts,
not American Apparel ones.
We're taking it slow on this because the quality
of our shirts is one of the things that people rave about.
And it's so funny because they're just American Apparel
tees, it's just that every other merch shirt
uses garbage t-shirts.
Yeah.
That's the only reason ours stand out.
These are just off the shelf American Apparel tees.
But the problem we have with them is that we can't get
enough supply, otherwise we would have just continued
to buy American Apparel.
So we've been trying to find our own shirts that match
or exceed the quality of American Apparel.
We think we have it.
We did a volume order, but we're taking a look at them.
We're doing test prints.
It's going to take some time.
When we're done, we're going to have black aqua-ish
as a color again.
We are going to bring back constellation.
I don't know if it'll be a V2 or if we'll do
the original design, at least as one run for people
who missed it, but it's going to happen.
It's going to happen.
Thanks, Andrew. Oh my gosh.
They're coming in faster than I can read them.
Do you want to bring up the configurator
and I'll keep firing through these?
What number are you on?
I'm on 62.
Okay.
We're going to have to start doing this as like an
after party, I think.
Maybe.
So we just cut the show and then we like come right back
and we're like, Hey, let's, let's go through like Q and A
and stuff.
Just not on YouTube, maybe? I don't know.
Yeah. Something like that.
But with that said, retention on this is actually like,
excellent.
We are answering questions that people might be interested
in like, it's kind of a Q and A at the end of the show.
Like, I don't know.
It might be fine.
This is my first LCT purchase since the keep on digging
shirt a few years back.
I think it's a little more than a few years back.
That was like seven years ago.
I've been a big fan since 2014 and I have watched most
WAN shows since then.
Epic. Nice.
No, it was Ubisoft.
The keep on digging show.
Yeah.
We've got Luke's thingamaboover here.
Don't, is that the email?
Oh, you download it.
Thank you.
Okay.
So again, extremely early version.
This is mostly proof of concept.
It is not going to look like this.
It will have a better user experience, UI kind of setup
thing.
We're just showing that you can,
you can change the size of the desk to,
to like an input amount.
So you can input the size of your desk and it will change
the, the canvas to,
to kind of work for the size of desk that you have.
How'd you put the keyboard and mouse in?
Hmm?
How'd you put the keyboard and mouse in?
I don't see a keyboard and mouse.
There's a keyboard.
Oh, on the mouse pad?
Oh, is that just part of the mouse pad image?
I think so.
Got it. Yeah.
Okay. That makes sense.
So we're, I think I've requested it,
but it's like on the office server.
So I keep forgetting to get it.
We're supposed to get like the source images for the mouse
pad so that it looks better and stuff and it will look
nicer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But the idea is you can put in the dimensions of your desk
and then trial a bunch of official sizes of the mouse pad to
figure out exactly what mouse pad you want the most.
So it'll look nice.
It'll work better, et cetera.
But that functionality is coming to the store,
which I think is going to be great.
Oh, it's a screenshot from the LTT store.
So we're going to get better versions again.
It's a very early version of that, that stuff.
Got it.
Okay.
Benjamin, I really went the LAN hoodie.
Hey, thanks Benjamin note, note, notey,
make note note.
Luke is awesome says Justin.
You know what we might have to do a better way to tackle
this might be to just have a live producer filtering them
and then just have the messages be part of the merge message
and just have it pop up as long as we've got a character
limit and we design a thing that like has bounds that kind
of makes sense.
That does get more complicated.
They could also pull like specific kind of questions that we
can answer at the end of the show out and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The problem with adding a producer to this show though,
is that it kind of happens on such a random schedule.
Like nobody's in office right now.
Luke and I are the only ones in the building.
I don't think anyone wants to stay anonymous says the top
handle on that backpack prototype looks thin padding maybe.
Oh no, no, no, no.
Okay.
Thin maybe, maybe, but it is strong.
It is double layered and then just has like stitching down
the middle for absolute laws because we were like,
add more stitching.
It is not going anywhere.
Jacob says J loves K very much.
Hey, we're doing the like romantic shout outs
on the WAN show now.
Congratulations on popping your LTT store cherry Micah.
Josiah says, have you done a video to build a mid range
server?
We actually have one coming soon.
That's going to be about repurposing your old desktop to make
it into a server.
I think pulseway sponsored it.
So that's cool.
And that says, shout out to my girlfriend,
Sarmista who loved the look of the gold water bottle.
Heck yeah.
And includes a, Oh, a gold black and gold water bottle
for the GF.
Love it.
Ashley says, take my money.
I will buy a fully loaded backpack.
My expectation would be 200 to 300 USD for such a package.
I can give you guys some pricing guidance.
Now that we've done this latest sample,
there's going to be a few more changes,
but you can expect that the backpack will probably be in the
neighborhood of 250 US dollars.
It is not going to be cheap just for the backpack.
So the fully loaded bundle, if that became a thing,
it could be around 300.
I think we could offer some bundle savings.
If it was like a shirt.
Oh, not the screwdriver water,
no cost on the screwdriver is rough.
Okay.
And maybe like water bottle and a shirt would be the package
that might be a little bit more reasonable.
So let's see what we can do, but the, so far,
the people that I've shown it to,
and that includes Brandon, David and Colin.
Some of them in particular, actually,
I think all of them have really nice backpacks that they
have spent a lot of money on.
And they're like,
pretty good.
Looks good.
Yeah.
Nice backpacks are really expensive.
Like genuinely really good backpacks are very expensive.
Brandon says, banana.
All right.
Thanks Brandon.
It's a different Brandon, not our Brandon, but yeah.
Martin, can we get a video about the difference between MSRP
and retail prices?
So many people are fighting and getting ripped off ripped
off because nobody knows.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's a whole video,
but MSRP is a suggested retail price and retail prices are
just like the price.
So that's, that's the big difference.
Got the wife to watch the show with me.
She saw the bananas and had to have them says Robert.
You know, what's funny is I can't remember if it was Nick
or Sarah or both of them.
I pushed back on the bananas.
I was like, I don't know.
This is kind of like a weird, a weird product to me.
Like I know banana for scale is like a total meme
and everything,
but it's not one that we've leaned crazy heavy into
or anything like that.
No.
And we were like, no man, trust me.
And I was like, oh, okay.
All right.
Honestly, when I, when I saw these, we had,
we had to do some flip and had to do a little bit of work to,
to make the bundle thing work.
Right.
When I saw these and like, I know nothing.
I'm not the merch guy, right?
Like don't listen to me.
But I saw this and I was like, wow,
I hope we didn't buy a ton of them,
but now I kind of hope they did buy a ton of them.
Apparently they're flying off.
Cause if we didn't buy a ton of them, we're in big trouble.
The amount of people that are buying all of them is really
interesting to me too.
I think there's like just as many or,
or maybe even more people that are buying the entire set of
bananas than just one of them.
All right.
No problem.
Arie,
Rune, I guess I accidentally,
I accidentally answered your question already.
Renee, greetings from Chile.
Following your channel for years.
Oh, oh, Jono.
Jono just messaged me.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
It was me.
All right.
All right.
Jono's apparently one of the bananas since like 2018.
So there you go.
There you go.
We got to give credit where credit is due.
Michael says old guy with poor eyesight.
What's the best monitor type slash technology
for poor eyesight?
Wow.
That is a good question.
I mean, I want to say garbage in garbage out.
You're going to want to make sure that you get a monitor
with like a really fine, with, with high pixel density.
But other than that, I could see,
I could see avoiding something that inherently has more glow.
You might not like an IPS as much.
The thing is that part of the glow effect though,
is actually the way that your eyes take in light.
So even OLEDs, which might have a pixel off
and then a pixel on right next to each other,
they can still have a perceived glow to them.
But also I, again, know nothing on this topic.
I would maybe recommend not an OLED
because I think the difference between it
might actually make things hard to see.
Yeah.
But then you're also not going to want no contrast.
You're not going to want a TN either
because that's going to be really hard to deal with.
Yeah, it's just garbage.
I mean, honestly, I'm not educated enough
to make a solid recommendation there.
But if I had to guess,
I would say a happy medium might be something VA based.
If I had to guess, I'm guessing, guessing, guessing Linus.
Jacob says, there's a category literally called hard
in the store.
LTT condoms confirmed.
I do not want that liability.
There's no way, there's no way.
Yeah.
Ah, anonymous.
Wow, got to kick me while I'm down.
I saw on the WAN show a while back
that you thought the gold Xbox controller videos
would go viral.
Man, you should have just made another RC firetruck review
would have been 10 mil views easy.
You should try to, you should try to find
like the coolest RC firetruck video
and make like a number two.
I have some ideas for like a follow up to that.
Nothing solid, nothing solid though.
Nice new shirts.
Thanks for occupying 80% of my wardrobe.
I should film it just to complete the,
just for the memes.
I love it.
Bridget says, my lid broke for my 21 ounce.
Oh, got a new lid.
I see that.
Man, we've had some of those out there so long
that like it is-
The like spine connector on the lid is just really old.
We're starting to see people-
With that amount of movement on it,
after years of potentially daily use.
Yeah, I can see it.
But Bridget's picked up one of the new spout lids,
got the do not drop t-shirt, got a yellow banana.
Also, when are women's sizes and cuts coming to LTE store?
Okay, we are working on it.
So step one is getting t-shirts and long sleeves
of our own design with our own materials
that we're happy with.
Once we do that,
step two is working on our female cuts,
our lanky boy and chunky boy cuts,
probably figuring out alternative female cuts.
Like we've got a whole roadmap.
We really want to make sure that not only for LTT merch,
but in the long-term, Creator Warehouse wants to open up
to being a merch provider for other creators as well.
So we want to figure out how to have
like crazy inclusive sizing.
That's just one of our sort of long-term goals.
And we're going to, at some point,
it hasn't happened yet, but it will,
we're going to reach out to our community
to kind of join the guinea pig squad
and we'll take community feedback
on all these like different sizes,
because that's one of the things that's really challenging.
For men's clothes, just like you've got enough dudes,
you know, like tech bros in this building
that it's pretty easy to find like a lanky boy
or a heavy boy to try something on
and give feedback to the fit technicians.
But for female cuts,
we don't have the kind of variety of body shapes
that we would need.
So we're going to have to figure that out.
It's going to be challenging, but we will do it.
It's just a matter of time.
And if you guys watch the framework laptop investment video,
you'll know that one of the big challenges
with physical goods is that you have to keep,
whenever you do new product development,
you are pouring in money that is way more
than you can hope to extract from the product
that you're going to sell for months.
And if your sales volumes increase,
the amount of money that you have to put in
could actually be net bigger
than the profit that you're making
selling through all your product.
So Yvonne and I were actually looking
at this the other day, net cashflow,
LTT store is way more than a million dollars
in the hole this year.
We sell every product profitably.
But you're like setting up more stuff and scaling up.
We are constantly developing new products
that we have to pay sampling fees for.
We have to pay deposits.
We have to order them.
Sometimes they can take literally months to arrive.
And then when it's time to reorder like WAN hoodie,
okay, WAN hoodie is such a great example.
So let's use nice round numbers.
And let's say our profit was 50%.
Let's say it was, it's really not that simple,
but WAN hoodie, if we ordered 4,000 units
and we sold through them in 10 days,
I guess we'll probably be up to about 11 or 12 days
by the time the last unit goes off the shelf
in the last size.
That tells us that between production time
being like four to six weeks
and shipping time being another six to eight weeks,
that we need to now reorder 15 times as many?
15 times as many?
12 times as many?
So let's say, let's say we were making 50% margin,
which again, I'm only using that for nice round numbers.
We are now dumping in 11 times more profit than we made.
Just in order to restock this bloody product.
So it's like, I'm not asking for any sympathy.
It's great.
You guys are amazing and supportive
and LTT store has been amazing and the team is amazing
and everything is great.
It's like, it's been a total game changer for us, man.
We've got a hiring video coming out soon.
We're gonna be showing off a new space.
We're gonna bring in, I wanna really lean into engineers.
Oh, the accounting department asked me
to shout out the accounting position again.
Guys, if you have an accounting background,
please go check out linusmediagroup.com.
We've got a position posted there.
So anyway, the point is we've,
I wanna really lean into more engineers,
bringing in more engineers for our staff
with that upcoming hiring video.
And I think that it is fair to say that LTT store
and the support that you guys are showing
is gonna be a huge part
of what's gonna allow us to do that.
Obviously it hasn't generated positive cashflow for us yet,
but it will and it gives me the confidence
to invest and hire these additional people
and like get this thing going.
Have you filmed that video yet?
I haven't yet.
Okay, I wanna make sure that the postings are right.
Preston says, hey, quick question.
I got water bottle v2
and I had to buy another lid after a week
because the handle hinge part of the cap shears.
So we haven't had a lot of complaints about that,
but you shouldn't have bought another one.
You should have contacted customer support.
They will send you another one.
They really do a great job.
Their priority is making sure that everyone's happy.
So what I want you to do Preston is reach out to support
and get that order refunded for the replacement lid
because customer support's got to know
if we have like a quality control issue
on a particular batch of water bottles as well
so that we can track that kind of thing.
That was how we tracked down the recall
that we ultimately did on,
oh, I'm not actually wearing it,
on v1 of the two Curbini.
Anonymous says, award for the world's longest shipping
from the lower mainland
to the faraway world of the lower mainland.
Okay.
One of these days I will explain
how our shipping system works
and it is optimized for global logistics
because most of our products ship globally,
not domestically,
and it does slow down our domestic shipping.
I'm sorry.
We do need to keep going through these or like end it.
Hamish says, buying this book for my baby boy Caden.
Heck yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
I'm sorry guys.
We're gonna have to call it here pretty quick
unless I see some ones that are like,
really like a good question
that people really need the answer to
because Luke and I need to go home at some point here.
Do, do, do, do.
Nathan asks, will there be an option
to buy replacement bits for the screwdriver?
Yes.
Not only will we have replacements of the bit load
that we provide by default,
but we are going to have clips that you can buy
of like Torx in every size, hex in every size.
So you can actually build out your own bit load.
And we are targeting very reasonable pricing
with the additional Linus tech tips.
Oh, very nice.
We probably won't call them that,
but we are targeting a really fair price point.
It's not super aggressive, but it's very fair.
So it should be no problem for people to kind of go,
okay, yeah, I'll pick up the screwdriver
and then just kind of grab anything that I would want.
And then I can build my own perfect optimal bit load.
Hey, shout out to a float plane from Johan message.
Why do you use Plex and not Jellyfin or MB?
I've actually, truthfully never tried Jellyfish or MB
and I have a lifetime Plex membership.
So there's no real reason for me to try something else.
I've been pretty happy with it.
Carl says, I agree with David,
bigger orders are cheaper for shipping to Europe.
And he got every single banana, a water bottle,
T-shirt, T-shirt, T-shirt, T-shirt, lanyard, desk pad.
Nice.
Tanner says, it hurt when you talked down on the Duo 2
a few land shows ago,
saying your viewers are smart enough not to get it.
I've been pretty hyped about it for a while personally.
Anyway, my Fold 3 just came in a couple of days ago.
It's awesome and I'm loving it.
I do think you made the right choice.
I think the folding screen is gonna be a better experience
than the hinge, like dual display portable device.
Okay.
Oh, interesting.
Nicholas has a PSA about the Best Buy membership.
So it's being advertised at $13 a month
with the same Geek Squad services,
plus setting up and removing bloatware.
Having shopped there before,
I was curious if their protections turns out
for four years protection through the full price,
you pay 450 CAD,
but if you didn't know any better
and sign up for the Geek Squad membership,
you're paying over $600 for the same four years
and basically the same service.
So you should get the like Best Buy membership instead.
Thanks, Nicholas.
And thanks for the order.
Okay.
Zeb says, after experiencing Linux for a while,
how confident are you feeling about Linux
shipping with the Steam Deck?
If their goal is to have 100% of the games
in the Steam library working,
how long are they,
they're planning on shipping it like next month?
Soon.
Unless there's a big update, they're failing.
So...
Okay, I'm going to actually share a rosier perspective.
I'm feeling pretty good about it
because my biggest problem
has never been that it's impossible.
My biggest problem has been that there's workarounds
and launch flags and dependencies,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So as long as Valve's doing all the work, okay.
My thing is if they do the work though, that's the,
and it seems like they're kind of, you know,
probably going to, they've said they will.
It's not there yet, at least publicly.
Maybe there's like some big Proton update coming.
I don't know.
But there's still issues.
And a lot of those issues come in with DRM stuff, right?
Like almost every game that I've found
that isn't going to work or doesn't work,
there's a DRM issue.
But like, I don't know if they can solve that.
Maybe they can, maybe they can't.
But there was a claim that they'd get
the whole library working
and that looks a little sketchy right now.
I'm still really stoked for my purchase.
I think it's going to be great.
Jake, you're right.
The command line is definitely worth learning
at least a little bit about, a hundred percent.
Okay.
Depends who you are.
I think knowing a couple,
knowing, not being scared of it is a good thing.
Yeah, but like if you use your computer
to play League of Legends and Counter-Strike
two days a week for fun.
Okay, then.
Do you need to learn the command line?
No.
Carl says, I agree with David.
Bigger orders are cheaper on shipping to Europe.
All the bananas, water bottle,
bunch of shirts, lanyard, desk pad.
All right, fair enough.
Anonymous says, I cannot believe
you didn't call them wanyards.
We're working on that.
Oh.
Till black and orange.
Cool.
Yeah, so far they've been only single color.
Yeah.
Anonymous says, the ability to wear your merch
and have the brand be known by those who know
while not looking like a giant advertising billboard
is always appreciated.
That's actually been a big shift for us.
A lot of our earlier merch was like,
Linus Tech Tips all over it.
And over time, starting with the Stealth hoodie,
that was actually where the name came from,
Stealth branding.
We've wanted to make it more just like clothes
that are affordable and quality
and that anyone would want to actually wear.
And we knew that because we've been going to cons forever
and the best merch that you could ever get from anybody
was the stuff that was, yeah,
maybe some people would recognize it,
but it wasn't like totally in your face.
100%.
Okay, sorry guys, I can't do any more of these.
You guys are absolutely amazing.
We got 183 merch messages on the show today.
Wow.
Thanks, Anthony.
Thanks, Josh.
Okay, had a couple more roll in just now.
I think that's it for the show today.
Oh, actually there were a couple of Super Chats
that I really cannot ignore.
Someone sent a $100 Super Chat,
so I should probably have a look at that.
Those people should probably start doing merch messages
because we have said we're not gonna do Super Chats.
Yes, please, I didn't say it today.
Daryl says, LTT backpack in the shape of a penguin.
One appendage could be an LTT water bottle,
one could be an iFixit kit, one compressed air,
and the other for a USB hard drive,
the body could fit your laptop.
You know what image that conjures for me?
Those like animal-shaped backpacks
that like eight-year-old girls wear.
I kind of love it,
but I don't think we're gonna develop that.
Anne Hoffman says,
what do you really think about the Odyssey Neo G9?
We actually meant to do a follow-up
non-sponsored review of it, and I haven't gotten to that.
I really should do that.
So I tried to find an unsponsored review, but couldn't.
I still haven't tried a production unit.
Right, I remember the delay
was that the production ones weren't out yet
when I put it on Trello.
Daryl Lyle says,
the biggest issue with the Linux challenge
is the fact that you think no one should use the command line.
Well, in Windows, I have to install various programs
to understand why it crashes.
I don't see that as being any different,
except with Linux, the commands are there.
Well, I'm not saying no one should use the command line.
I'm saying no one should have to
to do what they wanna do on their computer.
That's the difference.
And by no one, I mean average gamer, right?
Because this is supposed to be as gamers
that we're going through this challenge,
not as, you know, by day developers
who happen to play some games.
We're talking people who identify as a gamer, right?
Daryl says, regardless of us Linux users complaining,
thank you for doing the challenge.
This will help Linux even if your feedback's all negative.
Hey, thanks, we're trying, we really are.
Like, we came into it
wanting to support mainstream adoption of Linux.
That's where our heart is at.
And we've run into some challenges
that have led us to believe that,
no, it is in fact not ready for prime time
for gamers just yet, but that's part of the process, right?
You have to find all the things that are bad
in order to consolidate down to just things that are good.
And is that where we call it?
It can be.
All right, thanks for tuning in, guys.
We'll see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Okay, sounds good, Conrad.
Sounds good, Conrad.
That makes sense.
Keep it as is.
I agree.
We'll see you guys next time.