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Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever. Every Friday, top Tech YouTuber Linus Sebastian and Luke Lafreniere meet to discuss current events in the tech world, a subject from which they do not stray. Hardly ever.

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funny story
to start the show. Is this going to be nipple related? No.
It's not. Surprisingly. Right?
Anyways, when I came back from Taiwan, I
came into YVR, the airport that is near us. Don't worry about it.
And the... The statue with nipples? No.
No, unfortunately not. Were you going to work nipples into this at some point?
No, actually. None. Crap.
Okay, so you came to the Vancouver airport. I'll try. I'll see if I can do it. Which is in Richmond, by the way.
Vancouver International Airport. Not in Vancouver. Yes.
It's in the Greater Vancouver area. That's true.
Or Greater Vancouver Regional District, as it's actually called. The GTA is the Greater Toronto area.
The GVRG, sucka. Okay, my bad.
Anyways, the Wi-Fi network there does one of those things where you have to, like,
approve your login thing through a portal and whatever.
And I was trying to do it, and it wasn't working, and I needed internet at that point in time.
So I was like, whatever, and turned my Wi-Fi off. Didn't really think about it.
A little while later, using my phone, and it's like,
oh, your Wi-Fi, your data has been turned off, because you're at your maximum.
My warning didn't come through, or I swiped it without realizing it,
because I hate it when notifications load while you're in your notification bar,
but I might have swiped it without actually seeing it.
So my data is dead, and I think I'm, like, six days into the month or something.
So that sucks. I have a dumb phone for a while.
Well, your smartphone is just a dumb user.
Yeah, that's fair.
So I guess, yeah, I know I failed to work nipples into that.
Yeah, you did. That's okay, because I can work nipples into anything.
People are asking us to turn the mic up,
but I just did a test recording, and it was fine.
So I guess I had the volume a little high, actually.
I don't even know why that worked at all, what I just did in terms of testing.
Maybe I could load up the stream and see if people are messing with me in the meantime.
Why don't you let them know what fantastic topics we have for them today?
So we have the whole catastrophe around TeamViewer,
all the accounts being hacked into or passwords being known or whatever,
because those aren't really the same thing.
But anyways, we'll talk about that later.
Gawker has officially filed for bankruptcy and is saying some other stuff.
Sony officially confirms the 4K-ready PlayStation,
but I believe it's not being announced at E3 or something.
And I don't actually know a fourth topic that's interesting.
You sound wonderful to me, by the way.
Do I?
Yeah, I'm at like 38% on my system volume.
So, um, okay.
Space mining.
Space mining, what?
I don't know.
I didn't see that.
All right, space mining.
We might not talk about that.
Yeah, we may not get to that.
Yeah.
Intro time.
Cool.
That's equivalent to not turning your Wi-Fi back on for a week.
Or maybe not gross.
Maybe it's like hot.
Oh, if you're into that sort of thing, like phone spit.
Yeah, that's probably not good.
All right.
Apparently the intro is loud.
Well, you know what, you guys?
There is only so much I can do.
Jim's address says ow.
And also that it's prerecorded, I think.
No, it's not prerecorded.
All right, so let's get into some topics.
First up, we've got, and I actually have no idea whether, um, whether Luke said that this was going to be one of our, one of our main topics for this week.
Docker is no more, at least in its current form.
Maybe someday it will reach its final form, but that won't be its current form.
They filed for bankruptcy and have said that they will sell the company.
The headline says to Ziff Davis or someone else that I don't think it's necessarily Gawker saying they're going to sell to Ziff Davis.
It's that Ziff Davis has an offer in on them for somewhere to the tune of 90 to 100 million dollars.
You know, maybe I should just buy Gawker.
What?
Yeah, I know, you know, for a fact that I can't.
That's not going to work.
It also just doesn't sound like a good idea.
Why would we do that?
If we could just, like Lifehacker, I said a tweet about this earlier.
I was like, I don't really care about the rest of it, but if Lifehacker survives, that would be cool.
If we could just consume, like, just them, I'd be down with that.
I mean, theoretically, some of the upstairs office space for that, make them all Canadians.
Theoretically, they could sell individual publications.
So Gawker is Lifehacker, Jezebel, Deadspin, Gawker.com, Gizmodo, Kotaku, Jalopnik, and yeah, Jezebel.
And Deadspin, I don't know if you said that.
Yeah, no, you said Deadspin, actually, but you know, good job.
You said it twice, which is important for people who didn't hear you the first time.
So out of all of those, yeah, I think Lifehacker, I didn't used to mind Gizmodo, but I can't remember the last time I went on that site.
I liked them, I think, when I was like 16.
Let's see if that lines up.
Nope.
How old were you in 2009?
19.
You were 19?
Well, 18 for most of it.
18 for, okay, so I was close.
I was very close.
I was actually quite close, okay.
So basically, yeah, they're filing for a Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
It might even be more accurate.
Actually, yeah, I think so.
It was right around there.
Yes.
So they've announced their Chapter 11 filing.
Basically, that puts them in protection from creditors for the time being while they sort of entertain offers to buy the company.
Gawker and Nick Denton have said that they will not pay Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel the $140 million.
They have told their employees that they still plan to fight the case and to operate the publishing business while they do so.
But Ziff Davis has come out and said there's, let me just see if I can bring up the article here.
So this was in an internal memo.
It does say for less than $100 million, but I'm assuming not a ton less.
There's conflicting reports.
So this particular one on recode.net says for around $100 million, but it should be noted that they may end up paying more.
Because this is just their initial bid for it and actually nothing to do necessarily with how much it'll end up selling for.
Someone else could make a counteroffer.
Yeah, it could end up being a bidding war over Jezebel, which I guess someone wants apparently.
I didn't know that these sites as a whole were still that big.
I had no idea online written media publications were still worth like tens of millions of dollars each.
I mean, I guess it's sort of enormous amounts of traffic.
This is a really good clip with Nick Denton basically saying, nope, I stand by the decision to publish that even in light of everything that has happened.
He's expressed a lot of frustration with Peter Thiel basically funding this lawsuit as a way to, I forget, I was reading some article about it, but the quote from him was something to the effect, don't quote me on this, that's a quote of a quote that's not an accurate quote, but sick.
So something to the effect of that it's not vengeance, but it's more of like a cautionary sort of like it's more of a deterrent, I think was something close to the word that was used against publishing articles that basically amount to bullying.
So that was sort of how he interpreted the Hulk Hogan article where this individual was being bullied by a publication that published an article and indeed a sex tape video of him banging, to use the term that the kids use these days, I think, a friend's wife.
Did they say that?
Yeah, banging is still a thing.
Still a thing, really?
You got to throw that in at me.
Yeah.
Well, I guess that's still a thing if you're an old man.
Well, like how long has banging been around for?
I don't know, a long time.
I'm sure my dad is like well versed with that term.
The term or what are we talking about?
I'm here, so probably both.
Just being honest, it's almost Father's Day, you got nine days to figure it out.
To figure out if he's your father or?
Well, maybe.
That could be a situation.
Okay, so Luke's parents aside and whatever, they don't still watch Wancho, do they?
They probably do.
Oh, that's a shame.
Hi, Mom and Dad.
So it'll be a court supervised auction and basically the lawsuit one way or the other
will have to be resolved before Nick, before, excuse me, Ziff Davis is going to have any
interest in taking possession of it and yeah, that's basically how it went down.
Would this make you think twice about publishing a sex tape on Linus Tech Tips?
Why would we publish a sex tape on Linus Tech Tips?
I didn't say we, I said you, so answer the question.
We should do this, but we should do it with like, uh, like computer components.
Oh man, we should like make a fake Hulk Hogan.
No, I want and have it water cool someone else's computer.
I want no part of any of this.
I just want, we've got people asking for us to review a sex bot.
Okay, let's talk robots.
Let's turn does our robot.
Yeah, but Taron wouldn't know what to do with the sex.
So let's talk, let's talk seriously again for a minute.
Would you do an objective review of a sex robot?
Uh, okay.
I mean, we'd have to be careful what we show in B-roll and not in B-roll, but would you,
would you benchmark it and host the video?
I think, I think like the, the, the journalistic side of me is like, yeah.
And then there's like, I'm in a relationship.
No.
So, but what if the, I think it's a robot probably.
Is it like, because I mean, they're not that sophisticated at this point.
Yeah.
I think basically they just do pre-programmed phrases.
But you are attempting to, cause this, this ties into another conversation, which is like,
is porn okay while you're in a relationship and this is like stuff you need to decide
in your relationship.
I'm not saying as a general statement, I mean with you and your partner, you need to decide
is porn okay?
And then on top of that is VR porn okay?
Because they're actually very different.
Right.
Yeah, VR porn is very much putting you in that scenario with like, like a directional
audio.
So you feel like you're there and like, if the person's talking to you, you can hear
where it's coming from.
Like all that like crazy stuff, which is like on another level.
And then you're stepping up again.
You think so?
I think each one of those will reduce an amount of people that are okay.
You don't think, actually I, I would, I would argue, I would argue the other way.
So I think porn is where it is.
So we both, let's establish that porn is a baseline and you know, your baseline could
be, it's like super okay and mine could be it's super not okay.
Or the other way around, whatever.
Let's call two dimensional porn the baseline and let's talk like, let's talk like straight
guy on girl.
If you're a straight person, like, like, like vanilla porn, like sure.
Not like animals or whatever because I wasn't really, Oh, okay.
Like I'm thinking like two, two dimensional, like just kind of vanilla porn.
Whatever fits in your preferences.
Yeah.
Like whatever would be vanilla for you.
Everyone's vanilla can be a little different, you know, chocolate, strawberry vanilla.
We're talking vanilla.
Okay.
So that's our baseline.
Okay.
I would make the argument that a robot is actually less akin to a real life sexual experience
than VR.
I see where you're coming from with that, but you also have problems where.
And certainly less than, uh, than toy assisted VR.
Toy assisted VR is way up there.
Um, with the robot though, you are directly trying to replace the person in the actions
that they do.
And it is possible to get somewhat emotionally attached to a robot.
So like you are actually attempting to replace the functionality of the partner, which is
also why VR toy assisted would probably, would that top the robot for you?
I don't know.
They're both like, so these are both like no zone for you.
This is really awkward.
Uh, remember we're talking when you're in a relationship and remember your no zone can
be sort of what you're comfortable with someone else engaging in while you're in a relationship
with them.
Like it goes as a two way street.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So are both of those gray area at the very least to say, to say, okay, we need like a
discussion.
Blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
Okay.
Interesting.
See, I, how did we get here?
I don't know, but I, I, I, I wholly disagree.
Okay.
I think that the robot and then, okay, I, and I'm saying inanimate object.
I understand that not all of them are completely inanimate.
Um, some of them like blink and stuff.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but I would make the argument that an inanimate object is less like a real experience
than an actor on a screen.
Uh, but it's not happening directly to you.
That's true, but nothing's happening to you.
I mean, let's face it.
You're doing all the work in either scenario.
That might be true in relationships as well though.
Wow.
Shots fired.
I'm sorry to hear that bro.
No, no, that's not true at all, but I'm saying for some people that is a reality.
It's it's, I'm sorry, but like it is.
Okay.
Sure.
Fair enough.
People are saying next topic and they're probably right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, what is next topic?
Sony officially confirms the 4k ready PlayStation.
Excellent.
So original article here is from the verge confirms the PS4 console upgrade, but it won't
be at E3, which raises the question, what will be at E3?
I don't know.
People were asking me like at Combi-Tex and stuff, they were like, you've done E3 before
you going this year.
I was like, nope.
Like, Oh, why not?
Because we're not, well, you know, what's funny is we missed a year when E3 was like
the shit.
Yeah.
And then we were like, okay, we'll do it next year.
But the problem is that we're not in the console mindset.
Like we don't even understand what qualifies as like a big E3 for console people because
it's all just kind of E3.
So it's like, yeah, all the consoles are launching this year.
We don't go the next year.
All the consoles launched last year.
We go and it's like, here's some game with games with some tessellation or something.
The problem is even if we did go the previous year, it was probably just keynotes.
Wasn't it just keynotes?
Like I'm pretty sure we just watched those in the office.
I remember like talking to you because we were both scripting and half watching at the
same time.
Like we basically more or less went just virtually not to tie back to the previous conversation.
Yeah.
I mean, on that subject, man, I went to, uh, I think two keynotes.
Yeah.
Two keynotes at Computex this year.
I went to one.
Let's just not do them anymore.
They are the worst thing ever.
There is nothing that I can learn in a keynote that I can't learn by.
Yeah.
I don't know.
The most valuable thing I think we could do from a keynote, um, and the keynote that I
went to was an Nvidia one.
And what I did was I just Periscope live streamed the whole thing, which like, I did that because
I don't think it was being live streamed the stream that I did a Twitch stream of at the
Nvidia event when I didn't have a table and was like crammed in these tiny freaking seats
in the back, trying to hold my camera up while supporting my laptop was horrible.
I don't even really know why people watched.
I tried to like, I tried to even get reactions from like Jay and the other people that are
sitting beside me and I turned the camera and the HD of my cable would disconnect because
it wasn't a very stable connection.
Um, but there's like live tweets, but then we don't have to be there in order to do that.
Right.
I don't know.
Um, so this is actually, this is actually sort of a, an ongoing and ongoing scandal.
So I don't know if some of you have seen it, but source fed is claiming that Google manipulated
search results, um, in favor of Hillary Clinton.
It's actually a very well constructed video, a very compelling sounding argument for how
big this has become.
I'm surprised it doesn't have way more views.
Yeah, it's actually only got about a quarter million views.
Let's go ahead and pop that up on our screen here.
So they basically say, okay, look, uh, here's the popularity of certain, um, search terms.
For example, Hillary Clinton indictment and Hillary Clinton India, and you can see indictment
is a much more popular than India, uh, according to Google's own interest over time.
And they point out that when you actually enter Hillary Clinton ind into Google search,
it comes up with Indiana, India, independent voters, Indiana campaign, absolutely nothing
about indictment as a suggested search with the argument being made by source fed being
that you should be suggesting search topics based on autocomplete based on what people
are actually searching for that would start with those letters.
Um, so this is, this is very quickly turning into, they also showed like, I think it was
Yahoo and Bing typing the exact same thing in and Yahoo and Bing reacted the exact same
way that they would have expected.
So indictment was the top, uh, suggested with that said, I wouldn't use Bing search as an
indication of what is relevant necessarily, although they make again a good point.
It's very well constructed video.
Actually.
I watched the whole thing start to finish.
I was like, wow, that was very cogent.
Um, anyway, so they make the argument that if there's three people in a room and I think
it went something along, don't quote me on this again, three people in a room and one
of them says, I'm in a room and two of them say, I'm on the rooms on fire.
You know, you should probably go with the two people who are saying, Hey, the room's
on fire and not the person that was relevant information, I guess is the point.
Um, now the defense up on the verge already, Google denies, oh, and there's, there's like,
there's like a whole, like, um, Illuminati thing about how, um, Larry Page, uh, funded
or owns a company that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, to be clear, I'm not saying Illuminati confirmed, like, you know, uh, Mr. Peanut
on the peanut butter jar, American dad, like the Illuminati.
It's this like tech based company that Larry Page is funding that is helping.
That is being contracted by Hillary's campaign, something to the tune of $177,000 and a quarter,
which sounds like a lot of money to normal people like you and me.
But this is important right now in the context of Larry Page, that means nothing.
He probably keeps that amount of money in every pair of shoes in the event that he gets
robbed and he needs to, you know, grab some money for walking around out of somewhere
that the robber wouldn't have gotten it from.
That sucks, sorry to hear that.
And we're back.
Illuminati freaking confirmed.
You were waiting on that the whole time, weren't you?
Hillary Clinton showed up outside the door of our warehouse, walked in with like armed
guards behind her dressed in black and told us, well, not us, told our computer, you blue
screen right now, or we are not walking out of this place.
And it did.
It happened.
Josh was there.
Okay, so the last thing happened, our computer blue screen, I'm not really sure what the
deal was with that.
Something to do with attempted switch from DPC, which is something to do with maybe a
real tech wireless driver.
We don't have any real tech devices in this computer.
Or a mini card.
It seems to be like one of those catch all dump codes.
We don't have any of those.
That's for sure.
So let's get back into what I was talking about.
What the hell was I talking about before?
Okay.
So, right.
Medium, where was I going with this?
Okay, so The Verge has a good follow up that basically says Google denies altering search
suggestions for Hillary Clinton and points out that some of the examples that source
fed sites, for example, Hillary Clinton CRI, doesn't come up with crime.
In fact, apply across the board.
Google avoids auto completing the word crime or criminal so that they can avoid making
disbarging comments about people who may not have actually committed a crime or may not
be a criminal.
In fact, they do.
So they've pointed this out.
This is, who's this guy?
Matt Cutts is currently on leave from his position as head of Google's web spam team.
So they do this for everyone else, including people that have actually been charged and
convicted.
Very interesting.
He also points out that those looking for negative stories don't necessarily type Hillary's
last name.
They actually mostly search apparently for Hillary.
I don't entirely know why he would know this if he's on leave.
He might still know enough about the inner workings to come up with some examples that
demonstrate the opposite.
The first part, totally the part where they're all looking for Hillary, not Hillary Clinton
is like, well, you can look for that though.
You can search for relevance.
You can search for how hot a search it is.
Yeah, but source fed showed that people were searching for that.
Another thing they pointed out is that many results pop in when you type in Donald Trump
racist, but results also appear for Hillary Clinton racist.
So there you go.
So basically the conclusion in the verge article here is they're likely trying to walk the
line between providing as much information as they can and not stepping into a sort of
gray legal area by suggesting that someone could be a criminal.
So here's a spokesperson's full statement on the matter.
Google autocomplete does not favor any candidate or cause claims to the contrary.
Simply misunderstand how you type in Donald Trump RAC.
It comes with with Donald Trump racist.
If you type Hillary Clinton RAC, it comes with Rachel race issue.
Rachel Maddow race 2016.
That's interesting.
I wonder if that is a regional thing as well.
Yeah, Donald Trump RAC, racist SNL, racist commercial, racist articles, racist rally.
It's all racist.
I don't know that racism is necessarily a hot button topic for Hillary.
I doubt it.
I'm just saying that was said in there.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
It doesn't seem true.
So here, hold on.
We should, we should probably do the demo live if we're going to, if we're going to
talk about this.
I don't even necessarily know it because like, so there you have it.
So racist costume is my fifth suggestion, right?
Mine only goes down to four.
Browser thing, probably resolution thing or like zoom thing.
I'm actually on Google's website too.
You're doing the browser suggestions.
Okay.
So there you go.
Oh, okay.
So no, no.
Yep.
No, look at.
So that's a browser thing.
Yep.
Cause I'm in Firefox here in Chrome.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
There you go.
So age, email, young news, news, Twitter, wife, Donald Glover, let's help it out a little
bit.
News, Twitter, wife, net worth.
So there's nothing particularly incriminating there, but it looks like as you continue to
dig in and find examples, you can find stuff that appears to be a bit of an issue.
So there is an article over on medium.com that appears to have been done without help
from Google.
So here we go.
Search trends are a significant factor in how autocomplete works is the entire basis
for source for the claim.
And yet, according to their logic, Google must be favoring Donald Trump as well.
Cause they've got Donald Trump R a completely leaves out the quite common search term, Donald
Trump rape.
Which was the whole alleged thing with, uh, Evanna Trump, where she eventually took back
the statement, but she claimed that he raped her.
So I guess I didn't follow that closely enough.
Yeah.
So Donald Trump L a okay.
So we've got Donald Trump lawsuits and Donald Trump laughing.
What does it come with latest news latest last night laughing.
So at this point you're probably thinking this is a great point.
At this point, you're probably thinking to yourself, whoa, you're just choosing random
words and searching them.
And he's like, yeah, that's right.
I'm doing exactly what totally makes sense.
Which does make sense.
So I can definitely see how source fed came to the conclusion they did because you right
there sitting there, we're like, well, hold on a second.
What about this?
This conflicts with that, remembering that we're in a different region and I know that
Google does specifically target suggestions region by region.
So outside of America, you might get very, very different types of suggestions to do
with any of the presidential candidates, um, versus someone who's actually in the U S so
do I believe that Google is 100% ethical?
No.
Do I believe that they would be stupid enough to do something this blatant?
Right.
Um, Nope.
I think this would be really dumb.
I also have a really hard time believing that Hillary Clinton is necessarily the candidate
that like Google as a whole would have decided is like ideal.
Um, so, I mean, she seems pretty impressionable, better than Trump, I guess.
That's such a, yeah, that's a can of worms actually.
This is interesting.
I had, um, sort of changing topics.
I had dinner, uh, at computex with, uh, like a self professed, like diehard Trump supporter.
And, um, basically the conversation went something along the lines of, we're like, where's the
tech talk?
This is tech by the way, just saying the Google stuff and what I'm telling you about right
now was a conversation I had at computex.
Tech is right in there.
Um, so basically he, he like was just out of absolutely nowhere.
We were talking about something to do with AMD strategy for fire pro cards and distribution
channels or something like that, legitimately tech conversation.
And then he goes, something, something, something, you know, my boy Donald, something, something,
something.
And I, and then he's like, well, and we were like, oh, okay, so you're a Trump supporter.
Like as if it was not obvious at that point.
And he goes, yeah, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Of course I am.
And why?
What are you Canadian?
He's like, oh, you're a socialist then like, well, you know what, a, not necessarily for
one thing and B, um, who cares?
Because at a business dinner, the last thing that I'm going to be talking about is socialism
for Donald Trump.
That is like completely inappropriate.
So so yeah, but, uh, Hey, he's not afraid to speak his mind just like his boy Donald.
Um, however inappropriate or appropriate it might be.
Weren't we supposed to be talking about the 4k ready PlayStation?
Yeah.
I have no, no idea how we got, how did we, I think we stopped.
No, I think we stopped.
I think we were done.
No, no, we never made it past the headline.
We talked about E3 and going to E3 because I saw this over here and I realized it wasn't
on the dock.
Yeah.
We never got there.
I'm going through what we did talk about.
We talked about E3.
We talked about going to E3 and why we don't anymore and how we suck at that.
So we said it won't be at E3, which was in the headline.
And then we're like, we won't be at E3 either.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's talk about the PlayStation 4 console upgrade.
To be clear, there doesn't seem to be any indication that this is an upgrade in the
sense that you can upgrade your existing console.
It looks like there will be an upgraded PlayStation 4 that will include a faster processor, 4k
resolutions.
I love that I got such a kick out of the endless, endless PlayStation fanboys back at the time
of launch that were like, yeah, 4k support's coming.
Actually it's not.
Actually it isn't because actually the HDMI port on the PlayStation is not going to output
it.
You can pay for one.
So there's that.
Yeah.
So technically.
4k support is coming to PlayStation.
Yes.
If you buy a completely new device.
Just not yours.
It'll offer 4k resolution support and improved graphics.
Presumably it will also have support for PlayStation VR.
Although I don't know if PlayStation VR is going to be supported on the existing PlayStation
4.
Do you know this?
No, I don't know this.
That has been an interesting, why are your things like off your screen?
I don't know if that's a known thing.
Yeah, I, I actually, I actually don't know.
So $500 headband and display, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, upcoming virtual
reality headset for the PS4 console.
But what's interesting is that the only confirmation that we have is that there will be an upgraded
PS4.
They're not actually calling it something else.
So if they said PS VR is for the PlayStation 4, I mean, if this is like a, Oh man, cause
there has been some confusing stuff that's gone on in console generations before, you
know, mini versions and you know, cooler running versions and the halo versions and all kinds
of different, different stuff that actually in some cases can have very different hardware
and software limitations.
I mean, early PlayStation 3s had backwards compatibility with hardware.
You can install Linux on them.
They're actually still really cool.
And then that completely got kicked in the head.
Those things are worth money on eBay.
They are cause you can make them computers.
Like there's a, isn't there like a military data center or server or something that's
PlayStation 3s?
I think it's like defunct now, but like, okay.
It was a thing though.
It wasn't there.
I mean, um, might've just been experimental.
That's also very possible.
Anyway, the console will be priced higher than the current $350 for the existing PS4
and it will be better.
Um, so there you go.
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There we go.
Also in the lineup today is I fix it.
I fix it is probably the sponsor, the actual legitimate sponsor that actually sponsors
the show.
There, there are closer ones.
If you're looking for a kid, they're like right there.
There's an entire bin of them right there.
I fix it is probably the sponsor who actually sponsors the show that I get accused of.
Like of like discreetly working in product placements for more often than any other because
I legitimately use our, I fix it stuff all the time.
I fix it.com is your complete DIY electronics repair solution from there.
Yeah.
Over there.
That's what I said.
See, he's going over there now from there.
19,000 free step by step repair guides to their huge inventory of replacement parts
and tools.
We've used I fix it stuff for everything from screwdrivers for taking stuff apart to suction
cups for taking stuff apart to, um, well, like more better screwdrivers for taking stuff
apart to lots of different bits for the screws.
These are actually, this is like an old kit too, but we've got like tons of, I think it's
funny.
The old kit is the one we have here because I took the new one home.
It's got more driver bits.
It's got better spudgers, it's got more suction cups.
It's just generally like super awesome.
We've ordered replacement parts from them for putting the iMac, the 5k iMac that I reviewed
back together after I opened it up in order to take it apart for some reason.
Why did I think that was a good idea?
Anyway, I took it apart and put it back together and all their tools are backed by I fix it
lifetime warranty.
The Protech toolkit, the good one that I can't show you cause it's at home is 69.95 and the
best part is you can get 10 bucks, oh no, ah, my talking points are wrong.
Five bucks off on a purchase of $10 or more.
My talking points are exactly correct, I just saw the 10 and I jumped the gun there.
Speaking of jumping the gun, I have a link to the Cooler Master store here that I am
supposed to follow.
Ah yes my friends, so cmstore-usa.com has all kinds of interesting stuff.
Everything from Cooler Master and basically, yes, everything from Cooler Master.
A lot of it's their freeform modular stuff.
So like, if you saw the Cooler Master video from Computex, you would have seen some of
these things already.
So those things are made by PrimoChill actually.
So these are little like, you can change the look of the front of your case and the power
supply basement area to this like crazy blue thing.
If that's not your style, there's a bunch of other stuff you can do.
You can get official stuff from Cooler Master too, which includes like this crazy handle
on the top of the case.
This actually ties in really well to the thing that I was criticizing about Asus' concept
PC that they had at the show.
That one that all assembles with hard PCBs.
And the problem is that they were like, oh yeah, we'll have like modular upgrades for
rear I.O. so that an older motherboard could have like USB type C and you would just have
this module that you slot in.
And I was like, well, by the time the distributor and the retailer and the shipper, remember
you have to get it to a distributor, then to a retailer, then to the customer, I'll
take their cut.
These things are going to be inordinately expensive.
You might as well just buy a new motherboard.
And when you need a controller for that too?
The controller is actually in the like upgrade module.
That's what I'm saying.
So it's going to be really expensive.
Yeah.
So, so well, okay.
So the product manager for the claims it wasn't, but I was like, yes it will.
Sure.
So Cooler Master by stocking, cause that's been a big problem for cases too.
I bought a windowed side panel for an Antec P160.
So that was 12 years ago.
Anyway, so I did that.
It took like five weeks to special order because there was like one in the entire country and
that's the way it was then.
And that's the way it is today when it comes to accessories for computer cases, because
you just can't stock enough of them in all the right distribution areas in order to have
timely fulfillment of those orders be possible.
And that was a windowed side panel.
I mean, it's a relatively common thing.
We're not talking like, like a fricking, you know, like slashed like front panel thing.
So I actually see Cooler Master's store as an interesting solution to that problem because
Cooler Master themselves doesn't have to stock a ton of them.
They can just say, okay, we'll stock five, it doesn't matter, or ten.
And how Cooler Master does it is they buy the things from the makers and then resell
them too.
Which is pretty cool.
So you know that like Cooler Master is tracking their stock and like all this other kind of
stuff, which actually makes sense.
So I think it's pretty cool.
So the other thing we're supposed to mention, I guess, is the Master Case Maker 5.
So make it what you will.
I know Luke, you especially had a lot of skepticism in your brain and in your heart and probably
in your pants about Cooler Master's whole maker branding.
And there are still some products, here, we're still doing a Cooler Master sponsor spot,
but I'm not afraid to criticize them during a sponsor spot.
There are still some Cooler Master products that I look at the Maker branding and I just
go, like, what exactly is Maker about this?
But I've got to give them the vision for the case.
At CES, they announced that they were going to have this store.
Here we are six months later, they have products in it.
So they are working on it.
They are trying to make it actually like Maker in some way.
I don't understand how beautiful, honestly, looking power supply happens to be Maker,
but I do appreciate that they did follow up on the store thing.
It probably would have helped if I said it in the original video, but the first time
I covered their freeform modular system stuff was last Computex, not the most recent one.
And I gave them like a year or whatever, and I talked to you about it not that long ago.
I'm like, where is that?
Where is that store thing, because it's not here yet.
And then it showed up like three weeks or a month before Computex or something.
And I was like, all right, OK, all right.
You made it.
Not by much, but you made it.
But we'll give you that one, Cooler Master.
You made it.
Get it?
Yeah.
You made it.
I got it.
Made it.
Beautiful.
Yeah, make it beautiful.
Maker it beautiful.
All right.
Let's talk about beautiful community interaction.
The original article here is from Engadget.
Riot used League of Legends chat logs to spot bad staff, apparently looking closely at what
employees say online.
It's a good thing I don't do that or Ed probably wouldn't have a job anymore.
So Riot Games looked at employees' chat logs and found a correlation between their behavior
in and out of game.
They worked with Google's work staff analytics team and picked through the last 12 months
of each staffers' League of Legends gameplay records and chat logs.
They found that a quarter of the people they had fired in the last year, so they had fired
prior to knowing, had shown unusually high levels of toxic behavior in game.
Armed with this information, Riot used it to proactively address the problem with remaining
staff.
They singled out 30 employees, all of whom were actually fairly new to the company and
gave them two options, those who got a stern warning and those who should be let go.
And then during the meetings, many employees expressed regret at how they behaved in game.
They received essays from employees vowing to change their ways.
And the report ended with Riot's intention to request League of Legends usernames from
all future hires for similar analysis.
So yeah, like, social media investigation by potential and current employers just got
real.
Very, very real.
Like I wouldn't be, and you know what, it's funny because if you'd asked me yesterday,
what is social media?
I would have said, I don't know, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and a lot of people don't
even think of YouTube.
I only think of it because YouTube is my primary social platform.
A lot of people watch a video.
What percentage leave a comment under the video?
It feels more like a TV viewing thing instead of an intercommunication thing like Twitter
and Facebook.
But it absolutely is.
It is a social media platform.
I would not have said the game I played last Saturday night.
So let's get a straw poll going on here.
Straw poll is what Riot did okay.
And I'm not putting in turnip because this is kind of a big deal here.
Seems a little weird, does it not?
For future employees?
Okay, so before we get into the answer to that question, let me say this.
When I applied at NCIX, I actually went out of my way to include my forum username so
they could review my posting history on their site.
I'm not going to say who, but certain people on the forum and certain people that I know
through Twitch and stuff have included their handles for the Linus Tech Tips forum for
certain jobs that they have gotten and that has been part of it.
Really?
For other jobs?
Yeah.
I actually do totally see- Does one of them have the initials CC?
Fairly prominent member?
Real initials?
Oh, I'll talk to you later.
Oh, okay.
I'm just, I'm idly curious.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll talk to you later.
I have no problem telling you, but I'll talk to you later.
And it's worked, and it's helped them, and I understand the voluntary giving of those
things.
Yeah.
And having Riot be like, it's a good thing if you give us your username, because aren't
there certain legal requirements about what you're even allowed to ask for in an interview?
You can spin it both ways.
I sincerely doubt a gamer handle is even covered, but I could see Riot spinning it both ways
because they could spin it to every candidate this way.
If you give us your League of Legends username, it enables us to help you, the good candidate,
get a job.
But the implication, the implied backside of that story, is that it helps weed out potential
jackasses during the interview process.
So some questions that you can't ask is, what is your religious affiliation, are you pregnant,
what is your political affiliation, what is your race, color, or ethnicity?
Although if you're in an interview...
Sometimes it's not obvious.
Most people think my wife is...
I think I get a lot of people saying she might be Filipina, but she's not.
Sure.
That's a good point.
How old are you?
Are you disabled?
Are you married?
Do you have children or plan to?
Are you in debt?
Do you drink or smoke?
Socially.
Socially, I guess.
It doesn't actually say socially.
So in that sense, if Riot asks for your username, they could very indirectly get the answer
to everything there.
They could get the answers to pretty much all of that.
Especially because that probably includes whispers.
What if it doesn't though?
Let's say it doesn't.
Let's assume, let's assume, let's give the benefit of the doubt, let's say it doesn't
include whispers.
Right.
Let's say it only includes public chat, but by the time you post that information on a
public server, have you put that information on your forehead?
No, because there's also implied anonymity through your username.
You're not playing as Linus Sebastian.
You're playing as whatever.
I do because I give up, but sure.
Yeah, but you know what I mean though.
I give up too.
I don't actually use my real name, but yeah, I give up.
I Twitch stream, what am I supposed to do?
But yeah, I don't know.
Okay, so let's hear from the viewers.
This is split pretty much right down the middle.
We've got 53% of you saying it's okay.
Riot has the right to know what you, and you know what, it might be in their EULA somewhere.
Riot has the right to know before you work for them, that's our neighbor, what you posted
on their privately owned servers, which is an interesting point.
Riot probably has terms in their EULA that entitled them to ownership of everything that
gets posted in much the same way that linustechtips.com owns anything you post on it through the end
user license.
Sure, but that doesn't have to do with you forfeiting the information of your username.
Right, but you knowingly and willingly posted that with maybe you figured you were anonymous,
but you weren't, according to the end user license agreement.
You willingly and knowingly posted that publicly.
Yeah, yeah, but it's still not forfeiting your username, because you could falsify your
personal data.
That's true.
When signing up.
But if the EULA says you're not allowed to do that.
EULA's also don't hold up like ever.
That's true, they don't, but if Riot's company policy is that all employees, subject to termination
if they fail to comply, need to follow the EULA.
But can you go around and say, if there was, I'm going into three articles here, if that
list of stuff that I just said included gamertag for whatever reason, would circumventing that
by saying that they have to follow the EULA, is that legal?
I guess John-
I don't think it comes down to legality or not legality, because ultimately you can control
what an employee posts on your privately owned servers as a company.
Yeah, it's not about control though, this is reading the last 12 months.
Right, so going back and looking at it.
Well, ultimately-
Because there could be a code of conduct within the company where you have to act a certain
way.
Yeah, like Costco has a code of ethics, they have like an entire handbook, it's like this
thick, it's like here's the value up to which you can accept a dinner from someone, here's
this, that, that, that, that, and that.
You know what's funny is I have actually kind of talked myself into it.
You're also an employer.
No, but even outside of that, because we've talked about this before, and I don't remember
what stance I took, but you know, whatever, viewpoints change-
We have, to give some insight, we have not necessarily changed opinions, but added information
to what we thought about a person that was going through an interview process with us
by looking at their social media.
Could be?
Yes.
Oh.
A long time ago you were in on that.
Did I?
Was I?
It was their Twitter account, yeah.
Okay, okay.
This was a long time ago.
Did they tweet at us?
I think the Twitter account was given to us.
Okay, so it was given to us, okay.
But we clearly have no problem looking at social media for things.
Now with that said- I personally don't really like this.
The reason why I don't really like this is because of the implied anonymity of your username.
If you post something on Twitter or to a public Facebook account that is very searchable and
is directly attached to your name.
I think of course that's searchable by your employer.
I don't think you have to forfeit those accounts, but they're under your name and are searchable,
so whatever.
So I don't like the idea of creeping something that wasn't provided, especially if it's a
third party.
So if Riot was saying you have to provide your Facebook username- because I've heard
of employers demanding this.
You have to- what's your Facebook?
And we intend to look at it.
If they demanded that, that's one thing, and that to me is actually very different from
demanding to know what potential employees or current employees- because they only did
this for current employees and then the potential employees is moving forward now.
So they did this for current employees, what your current employees are posting on a server
you own.
Yeah, I was just going to say that's also a different thing because it's their platform
and I could definitely see- this might change my opinion a little bit.
Because it's their platform, that's how they are treading on your turf.
Yeah, it's how they are representing your brand.
I was applying this to any gamertag.
So if you played WoW and League of Legends, they would want to have both of them, you
know what I mean?
Yeah, but that's not what they're asking for.
But they don't have it.
No, I know, because they wouldn't have the ability to do that anyway.
But I think that would be more wrong anyway.
Yeah, I think so too.
I think what an employee- The treading on your turf, wanting to know
your stuff for your own servers, I actually totally see that.
If someone wanted to apply to work here and were on the forum, I would want to know what
their account was and I would want to see how they conducted themselves on the forum.
I wouldn't ask for their other accounts.
So I actually, I guess I do agree with it, I just don't agree with it as a gamertag in
general.
A gamertag in general feels like it should just be, this is my escapism land.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to defend.
It's your anonymous area, you should just- And sometimes you roleplay.
That's a thing.
Roleplaying is a thing.
How I behave as a gamertag shouldn't necessarily be the be-all and end-all of how someone interprets
who I am and what I am as a person.
But I also see where Riot's coming from, which is if you're roleplaying an asshole-
To the community of our paying customers- Who you're trying to apply for and will be
representing in some way or another- Who you're ultimately serving at your freaking
day job that we paid for- And ultimately Riot is going to want someone
who, compared to a negative person, they would want someone who's trying to make the community
better because that's the exact same kind of deal as the person in the interview who
is actively trying to find ways and offer up ways that they could improve the company
and who have pre-thought about these things.
The standard thing, if you're applying for a social media position, being like, oh, I
have these ideas for improving your social media situation because I've already looked
at what you're doing and analyzed what you're doing and thought about it and tried these
practices and whatnot.
That's a very good thing to bring to that interview, bringing to that interview that
you obviously didn't care and are contributing to a toxic environment that's not-
Twitch Plays Pokemon says someone was roleplaying at me real hard in an Overwatch match I played
last night.
We're not saying that roleplaying an asshole is okay.
We're just saying that- I think we specifically didn't.
Yeah, it might not necessarily be who you are as a person.
Yeah.
Okay, TeamViewer confirms number of abused user accounts is significant.
So the original article here is from bleepingcomputer.com, they apologize, but they still say they were
not compromised, which is something that has yet to be actually proven, even though Redditors
and some blogs out there have offered up some evidence that looks fairly compelling to suggest
that they were indeed compromised.
So-
What?
Well, they were definitely compromised.
The question is whether or not-
TeamViewer was compromised.
Their records were compromised.
But TeamViewer accounts were definitely compromised.
So the suggested course of action right now is to protect your accounts with secure passwords
that are frequently changed, have reliable anti-malware and security solutions in place
at all times, and enable two-factor authentication.
That's what TeamViewer is suggesting.
There's other stuff that you can do.
The way that I was once compromised, well, not me personally, I've never been compromised.
I'm not compromising.
The way the Linus Tech Tips channel was compromised was through a keylogger, where I did not have
two-factor authentication enabled, because I don't remember if it was available yet.
I doubt it was back then.
It was a long time ago, anyway.
So through a keylogger, so one of the other ways that you can avoid getting your password
sniped by a keylogger is by having something like a password keeper, like LastPass, for
example.
That's one thing that people are questioning, is they're saying, I had a two-step enabled
and they still got in.
We don't have any confirmations of these things, but hearing that is bad.
One thing that I'm going to say is not to bring this up again, but quite a while ago,
we had a breach on the Linus Tech Tips forum, which super mega sucked.
And even if that wasn't our fault.
You still have to kind of be a little more proactive.
You should probably, considering this is an exploit that's going against your software,
sure, their breach isn't your fault, but it's still an exploit that is widely, significantly
going against your software.
You should probably inform your users that this could be a problem.
Suggest password changes proactively through an email.
Suggest two-step.
They have my email address.
One thing that we did was busted our email reputation by making sure that we hammered
emails out as fast as we could to all of our users to let them know.
Yeah, which actually hurt us in the longer term.
No one from Microsoft domain got an email from us for months.
For a very long time.
Including password reset emails.
Yeah, which was a nightmare.
Thanks, Microsoft.
We were just trying to help people and then they ignored us for months with trying to
get...
Anyway.
Anyways.
So pretty much the way the attack works is people are breaking into your team viewer,
into your computer with team viewer, and then they are using presumably saved passwords
on your computer.
Please don't do that.
For example, if you have a password keeper, I don't understand why this isn't a default
option, but actually while you're in your next security audit, can you run around and
make sure everyone has it set to time out after a very short period of time?
Make sure your password keeper times out.
For the love of everything that is valuable to you, time out your password keeper.
So what they're doing is they're going into...
Whether it's you're using Chrome to save your passwords, which by the way is really stupid,
or Firefox to save your passwords, which by the way is even super stupider because it
saves it in plain text in a file in data roaming local whatever it is.
So then they're using your saved passwords to drain your bank account and your PayPal,
which there's not a whole lot that anyone can do about once it's done if the action
was effectively done by you.
Right, we've got a lot of topics left, some of which I really did want to talk about real
quick here.
Where'd it go?
I don't know what you're looking for.
I had something I really wanted to do, like tied into the TeamViewer one, I had like a
segue and everything and it's completely not in my mind anymore.
This?
No.
No, it was cool.
This?
No, that's cool too, but not as cool.
Oh well.
Oh, this?
No.
Oh, that ties in.
Yeah, no, it was like something else, like it might not have actually made it into the
doc.
Oh, this?
Oh, yeah.
Wait, no, no, this.
Oh, this apparently got rejected.
I don't know.
I don't know why...
Why did that get rejected?
I don't know.
I actually don't know.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, okay.
Well, I don't know why it was rejected, so I'm not going to go too far into it, but Twitch
troll donates $50,000 to streamers, PayPal allegedly refuses to refund.
Maybe we don't actually have confirmation on whether PayPal is refunding it or not.
Ah, yeah.
Okay.
Nick is filling it in for me.
Conflicting reports.
Okay.
So I was going to try and tie that.
So that pretty much wraps it up for the land show.
I do want to do a call out for Nerd Sports, guys, if you haven't already, check it out
over on Vessel.
They offer a seven day free trial...
Night vision.
Ah.
That makes sense.
They offer a seven day free trial where you can see Linus Tech Tips, Tech Quickie, and
Channel Super Fun content seven days ahead of time, as well as a bunch of other creators,
and it should also be noted that Nerd Sports, all five episodes of which are up there, and
for whatever reason, not particularly searchable, there it is, one word apparently, all five
of which are watchable, curling, ice hockey, dodgeball, lacrosse, and volleyball where we,
the keyboard warriors, take on real athletes in the sports of their choosing.
The curling one was funny.
You guys suck.
You almost got it.
Those are my inputs.
Thank you.
You almost got there.
I almost got there.
The other guys really didn't help.
They really let me down.
Oh my god, Taren, what were you doing?
They really let me down.
That is not how you try to be the lead of a team.
They really let me down in a big way.
So thank you very much, guys.
We will see you again next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Bye.
Oh, right.
The intro.
Read it again again.