Welcome to the WAN Show everyone, the truth is, I screwed up this week.
It's very obvious that, I mean I just couldn't conceal it anymore, we were paid by Nvidia
for our RTX 4060 Ti review, and the scariest part of what I just said is that a not insignificant
number of people are going to take that at face value, not watch any more of the video,
and believe it for the rest of their days.
Let's talk about how confusing people found our review of the 4060 Ti, we're also going
to be talking to you guys about how confusing I'm finding Sony's new handheld accessory.
It's a Wi-Fi based PlayStation 5 streaming thing, did they learn nothing from the Nintendo
Wii U?
What else we got going on this week?
It does seem like the Wii U was just like actually too early at this point.
It's starting to feel that way.
It really, really feels like it.
Uh, wow, invisible PC set up, this was actually super cool.
Did you see this?
I read the comments.
Oh great, we'll talk about it later, because you'll probably need to see it if you want
to talk about it more specifically, but who knows, maybe, we'll see.
The National Eating Disorders Association replaced a helpline with a chatbot, because
clearly no one there has watched the WAN Show.
The show is brought to you today by Vessi, Signal Wire, and Corsair.
All right, we're going to jump right over to my laptop here, and this is one of those
things where, Luke, I feel like we need to open the conversation back up.
Open it back up about shadowbanning comments, because I actually found the comments section
of this video extremely difficult to handle.
Um, let's see, see, some people get it.
Please keep calling out this nonsense.
This was an extremely negative review.
It started with, oh, thank you Nvidia, at least you didn't downgrade this graphics card.
I literally, literally said something actually positive, after some negative things, and
then I said, okay, that last one wasn't sarcastic, because I am aware that a not insignificant
portion of our audience does have a little bit of trouble picking up on sarcasm, whether
it's like a social cue challenge thing, or whether it's the fact that English isn't their
second language.
English is a really weird language.
Rather is their second language, so I made it actually explicit, and the number of comments
that are just, let me, let me see if I can, let me see if I can, let me see if I can find
this.
Um, oh man, this is, see, this is frustrating because you need them.
They're not there.
Yeah.
The second one I need it.
Yeah.
It's, it's not there.
That's just, that's just how like presenting things on stage or on camera, it's just how,
it's just how it works.
Okay.
Where's my phone?
Because I sent you one on discord that was just absolutely mind blowing.
The point is not to call it any specific user.
Don't go looking for this, but I've got a couple of comments in a row here.
Like why can't you just say it's a bad deal?
You're not crapping on Nvidia makes it look like you're caping for Nvidia.
Not saying you are, but that's what it looks like.
This review also feels short and unrigorous.
This is a rare thumbs down for me.
We had probably more game benchmarking than just, than we've ever had before.
Extremely rigorous.
The whole thing is automated.
Now all of our testing, this is something to note, all of our testing was fresh on the
latest drivers for every one of those cards.
That is extremely unusual, but it's also extremely important.
I mean, you can include numbers from three months ago or six months ago, but as we've
seen, especially with Intel Arc and especially when AMD launches anything within a span of
two, three, six months, you might as well just, you might as well just say, I hate AMD
and don't feel like showing them in a fair light.
You might as well just say that because if you're not including fresh numbers, that's
not valid.
It's just actually useless.
You might as well just kind of go, you might as well approximate, well, I didn't have the
XT, so I, I don't know, it has 10% more CUs, so I bumped the clock speed 10%.
This is an approximation and you know what, it would probably be reasonably close, but
it's disingenuous to label the chart, you know, 6700 XT or whatever it is.
This next one, thank you.
I haven't been watching LTT and now I remember why.
The only reason I clicked was I was hoping the title was sarcasm, but weird how he kept
looking for positive things to say when the card is straight up garbage trying to stay
in Nvidia's good books.
I haven't been in Nvidia's good books for like a couple of years now.
That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.
The reason that we're looking for positive things to say is because our reviews are designed
to be everything you need to know about the card and the price, the price is fluid, right?
So if you come back to this video in a couple of years and you want to know what features
does it have, how does it compare to the cards that are, you know, similar around it?
And honestly, one of the things the labs did a great job of this time was including older
cards.
The number of positive comments we got from people saying, wow, thank you so much for
putting a couple of older cards on the graph for a change.
Now I have some idea how this compares when I'm looking for an upgrade was really awesome.
I just want to give a huge shout out to the writers, huge shout out to the lab.
I'm actually really, really proud of our 4060 TI review and our RX 7600 review.
There are a couple of things we got wrong.
I think we had a table in the 4060 TI review that said it had a 16X interface.
It has an 8X interface.
That is a problem if you're upgrading an older platform.
On a modern platform, it's not a problem.
It doesn't affect the numbers that we showed you guys, but that is something that we could
have gotten a little bit better.
And I think there were a couple of small things in the 7600.
But every time we release a new GPU review, we're getting a little bit cleaner about it.
It's just, that's a lot of moving parts guys.
But this is one of those things that I'm just looking at going, give me a reason not to
start shadow banning again.
Like this is another one that I saw on today's video.
It was a short on the Billy Billy gold play button that we got for reaching a million
subscribers on Billy Billy, which is super awesome, like huge shout out.
Dennis has been deeply involved in that over the years, and he's been involved in that
over the years and, you know, helped foster the community over there.
Our translation team over in China, all the members past and present.
Just shout out all those people for making this possible.
And you know, this is the takeaway that someone got, was not expecting Linus to take a knee
to China after saying he will never visit because of the CCP.
What a hypocrite.
So here's something.
It actually costs us money to run that Chinese channel.
I, because I won't go to China anymore, I have no way of getting any of the ad revenue
that we've made from that channel out of it, out of China.
It's all just stuck there.
It's just something where there was a fan group that was translating our videos,
pirating them, uploading them to Billy Billy.
And we kind of went, hey, please don't do that, but how about this?
How about we actually compensate you for it and we'll make the whole thing official.
And that way we can have a proper presence there with translations and all that good stuff.
If it's going to get pirated anyways, we might as well do it properly.
We might as well do it properly.
And it's just one of those things that I look at and I go, you know, why do I have to read that?
Why do I ever, whether you're trolling, which honestly I don't think so.
I've got a pretty good radar for it these days.
No, some people actually are that brain dead.
So whether you're trolling, if you are, or whether your takes are just that bad, I just...
I used to care about this a lot.
Like shadow banning?
Yeah.
Like thinking it was a bad thing.
Yeah.
How did that happen?
Is it just because I send you these?
Not even sort of anymore.
Like I'm actually completely on the other side now and this might piss some people off,
but it's just the reality.
In my opinion, back when I was a stalwart defender of like, you shouldn't ban people,
the internet was in a bit of a different spot.
And now like, I don't know, you get how many comments every day and it's like, yeah, I
don't know.
Is that helping?
Anything?
Yeah.
Like actually at all, is this beneficial for anything?
Are you going to change anything?
Is any discourse coming from this that is helpful?
Yeah, so I've been scrolling.
Here's another one.
This review was way too lenient.
This card is garbage, end of story.
It's not garbage.
That's just, I don't know what to tell you.
It's not garbage.
I feel like people have gotten kind of a twisted perception of what garbage is at the
right price.
Do you plug it into your computer and does it shart FPS onto your monitor?
Does it do so without overheating, without causing blue screens?
Does it harm your dog?
Is it bad?
No, it's overpriced.
It's just not worth it.
That's its problem.
Nvidia is marketing a 50 series card as a 60 TI card and pricing it as such.
And that's a problem, but it doesn't make it garbage.
It makes it overpriced.
Like if you found it and it was that card and it was on a mad discount, maybe it's all
right.
Absolutely.
And happy 45-34.
Of course, there's no criticism allowed on LTT videos, I guess.
Say anything bad, they shadowbanned you.
See, that's not true at all.
We have no problem.
That is not the point.
We have no problem with constructive criticism.
What it is, is I just, I don't.
Disingenuous arguments, trying to start things just for the sake of trying to start things,
like I don't know.
Yeah.
I just can't.
And oh man, we've actually got a video coming where I kind of lean into this.
I was having some fun with it.
I kind of brought back the Scrapyard Wars spirit though.
So everyone's getting kind of mad at me for not going hard enough on Nvidia.
And I shouldn't say everyone.
I mean, the like-dislike ratio on that video is still about 92%, 93% or something like
that.
It might even be higher now because it tends to be that it's that initial rush of people,
like the really hardcore tech people that are like, oh, this review wasn't critical
enough or whatever the case may be.
But the number of people that are mad at me for not going hard enough at Nvidia is
if I have any kind of influence whatsoever on Nvidia.
It's just comical to me at this point.
So I wrote up a little intro because I wanted to address that, right?
So it kind of, it kind of goes along the lines of like, are you tired of GPU manufacturers
screwing over your wallet?
Well, it's time to take action here.
Let me show you what to do.
And I kind of do a little flourish with my wallet and put it in my pocket.
And then, do you remember the windows 3.1 sound that's like, I did it, I didn't open
it.
Then I worked with Nicole from the, uh, from the editing team to, there's this really cool
transition that we can do where if you do a whip pan and then a whip pan back, you can
use two completely different shots.
As long as that blur is of approximately the same things.
So it actually whips away from me to me standing in the studio and I'm like, your performative
boycott means nothing.
You have more than enough GPUs for like, I basically get to be my own like peanut gallery.
Your performative boycott means nothing, blah, blah, you're anyway, um, and I'm like, and
then it like whips back to me and it was a really fun video because I basically went
to Scrapyard Worth Shopping and showed that you can get a sick system upgrade for a great
price right now.
Is it getting better?
Good.
And not give Nvidia or AMD any money.
In fact, cool.
I had so much fun that I'm kind of thinking we might have to bring it back.
No way.
I think we might have to.
No way.
It was so fun.
Man, I.
We're back boys.
Let's go.
I basically said, I set a budget for myself.
Um, all right.
I set a budget for myself of approximately the price of a 40, 60 TI.
Okay.
I managed to beat it by about 30% while still saving like 20 bucks.
Oh, performance beat it by 30%.
And save 20 bucks.
Oh yeah.
Scrapyard Worth.
Oh, that's the best.
I have almost a year of warranty on the card I got.
Damn.
Okay.
What could go wrong?
That's sick.
I won and won and won some more and I got a video out of it, which is winning four times.
That's another, that's a win.
Yeah, exactly.
And so I'm looking at it going like, Oh yeah, yeah, we've got another comment over here
on the 40.
He must've been paid to review this card.
People like that clearly have no idea what it's like to work with a brand on a paid
promotion.
You do?
Yeah.
Would you be allowed to open with a sarcastic, Oh, thank you Nvidia for at least not taking
away any VRAM.
No, not even sort of.
You sure?
Yeah.
Are you sure?
Dude, we've had- Because it seems like you would be able to.
Based on some of the comments.
Yeah.
I wonder how much here's another one right under it.
We've had stuff kick back for like a lot less than that.
This is great.
Uh, hold on, hold on.
Where'd it, where'd it go?
Must've been, must've been paid.
Super cool.
Excellent.
Smart comment.
Wonder how much they paid.
This video doesn't feel so honest, but I get it from a business perspective.
You actually don't.
You get nothing.
You're not on our side.
You missed the whole thing.
Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, um, yeah, I don't know.
I just, anyway, massive, massive shout out to the team.
Really, really happy with those reviews.
Really excited for the direction the lab is going.
We've had some really cool and exciting meetings lately with the team over there.
I think we're going to be ready to roll out some of the category specific channels.
Because I think I've talked about this on the WAN Show before, but one of the, one of
the directions that I see online content going is I see mega channels like the MKBHDs
and LTTs, actually even to a lesser degree, Marquez, because he is kind of niche focused,
especially now that he's split cars off of MKBHD onto autofocus.
It's kind of mobile devices and consumer electronics.
So it's relatively narrowly focused, right?
Compared to ours.
Whereas we are as broad as, okay, this week, uh, this thing powered by something.
This week we uploaded a tour of ASML who makes the lithography machines that, um, help manufacturers
like Intel and TSMC produce the world's most cutting edge microchips.
Also like super, super deep technical video.
And then we also built a silly hundred thousand dollar computer for playing Minecraft and
water cooled the bed.
I basically did a YouTuber video where I talked about, you know, what's going on in my personal
life.
My job role changed.
Like we are all over the map, reviews of a couple of GPUs.
So the way that I see it, it's going to be much, much harder to attract a loyal audience
to a channel and therefore build a loyal audience for a channel unless you're focused.
And the way that I see it, if you have a power supply focused channel, you're going to get
two different viewers for that.
You're going to get people who really want to stay up on what's going on in power supplies.
And then you're going to get people who haven't cared about a power supply in six years, but
they're building a new computer and they're going, sorry, 16 pin what?
I don't care.
Just tell me a good one.
Right?
So you're going to get a lot of those.
Our goal, our goal for a power supply specific channel will be, and I, you guys can quote
me on this, to have a video for every power supply.
Like every new one that comes out?
Well we're going to have to work on some back catalog too.
No, no.
Like ATX.
ATX power supply.
It could be money money and doing server ones.
There could, but I mean almost nobody builds a server anymore.
Ah yeah, fair enough.
It's almost exclusively bare bones.
And I could, I could see us having a more enterprise IT sort of focused channel at some
point where we would look at bare bones servers, look at these, at these platforms as a whole,
but that would be something that would come later and it would be more along the lines
of how we would test something like laptops.
Oh man, laptops are deep.
To cover a laptop properly, you have to have your methodologies down for everything.
Battery testing, screen testing, keyboard testing, processor testing.
Oh, don't forget that you're going to have to account for different environmental factors.
Don't forget that you need to test it in different power profiles depending on whether it's plugged
in or unplugged.
Laptops are going to take some time.
Oh yeah, right.
And don't forget that per model, per chassis, they're available in, I don't know about 25
different configurations.
I have, do you remember when I optimistically bought one of every config of the M1 MacBook
thinking okay, we're going to get like our laptop methodology down and we're going to
be the outlet that actually can tell you exactly which configuration to buy, bang for the buck.
And then they basically all got deployed to people who wanted MacBooks internally and
scattered to the high winds.
Yeah, that was a good investment.
Any who, the idea is that eventually we're going to get there and then all the ones that
we don't need anymore, we'll just divest ourselves of by flipping them at lttstore.com or on
eBay or whatever.
We'll figure all of that out.
It's time for us to jump into our next topic here apparently.
Dan is not going to let me talk about haters anymore.
Do you want, can we talk about this Sony thing?
Yeah, Sony PS5 announcements.
At their PlayStation showcase, Sony announced their new handheld projected to come out later
this year called Project Q.
The handheld allows remote play of PS5 games via Wi-Fi at up to 1080p and 60fps.
It has an eight inch LCD screen.
We have no idea how much it will cost and it's unclear whether it will do anything else
other than stream PS5 games or whether it will be able to use cellular networks considering
they specified Wi-Fi.
I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.
Yeah, that's one of those things where the answer is no.
Yeah.
Also, lossless wireless earbuds.
Okay.
The PlayStation showcase also highlighted a number of upcoming games.
Sony announced slash showed off several standard PS5 games, the only notable exclusive being
Spiderman 2.
Okay.
Some notable non-exclusives, a remake of Metal Gear 3, a reboot of Bungie's Marathon series.
That's-
I know, right?
Sony owning Bungie just makes my brain hurt.
Yeah, but it's non-exclusive.
Which is also, the whole thing is just like, it's weird, but maybe really cool.
I haven't been able to look into any of that yet because I had a very busy week, but I'm
pretty interested in the idea of them rebooting Marathon.
We'll see.
Alan Wake 2, a Splatoon-alike called Foam Stars, and the one Riley is most excited about,
the Talos Principle 2.
I think quite a few people are going to be excited about that.
It's a PvP extraction shooter.
Oh.
I think you've got his attention.
Oh my.
Bungie making a PvP extraction shooter is extremely exciting.
Like the Division.
Okay, that part makes it a lot worse.
Okay, hopefully it's not like the Division at all.
The Division was terrible, in my opinion, but I'm sure someone liked it.
Okay, I want to talk about this wireless console thing.
Is it just me, or...
Like very little use for this?
Why don't you just play on your TV?
I don't know how to feel about this.
Okay, so first of all, here, let's flip over to my laptop.
This is apparently what it's going to look like.
I think it looks cool.
Yeah, it looks really cool.
It actually looks like it's probably comfortable to hold and stuff, too.
Here's my problem.
I don't know how to feel about this, because I've been kind of all over the place.
I loved the Nvidia Shield.
And yes, Android games did exist that could be played with a controller, but at the time,
they were way less common.
So it was fundamentally only a device for streaming your gaming PC to a handheld form
factor.
I was crazy in love with that thing.
It was how I played games when I had infant children, because you basically had the kid
kind of in the thing in your arms, and you could play video games.
There was no way you could sit at a computer.
So that was it.
That was how I could play video games.
Loved that.
And then I was less bullish on the Steam Link, which is basically the same idea, except that
it allows you to play your gaming PC games on your TV with a Steam controller or some
other controller or whatever else.
And then I'm trying to think of kind of what came next here.
I never really used the Nvidia Shield console for that function.
It just didn't really appeal to me.
And then when Logitech, okay, when Logitech announced the G Cloud, I was looking at it
going, well, this is just kind of stupid because you could get a Steam Deck for like $100 more
that actually has a full computer in it.
But then I reviewed the G Cloud.
And even though I was a certified hater of the thing, I actually really liked it.
Like I really liked it.
I've got nothing against the concept of this.
I'm a little bit concerned about what I expect the price might be.
Then there's the Wii U.
Did you ever use the wireless controller pad function of the Wii U?
Did you ever even look at that screen?
Yeah.
Really?
I am a rare Pikachu Wii U enjoyer.
I really liked the Wii U.
I actually genuinely very much liked the Wii U.
I even loved, okay, so the Super Mario Bros, whatever it was that came out for the Wii
U.
New Super Mario Brothers Wii U.
It had a four player co-op feature with a fifth person that used that main controller,
had their own screen, and you could put down like emergency platforms for your teammates.
You could also troll them by while they're like mid jump, put a platform right in front
of them, they smack into it and fall down.
You could like try to fight your own team from actually completing the level and all
this kind of stuff.
Extremely fun.
That's fair.
Very fun.
That's fair.
Very unique experience too.
That's fair.
And very fun.
I played a bunch of different games on the Wii U, they're all really good.
I am deeply convinced that the only reason why the Wii U didn't do well was because no
one knew that A, it existed or B, what the hell it even was.
My group of relatively techy friends, when I first bought it, I invited them all over
because I wanted to play the five person Super Mario Bros. thing or yeah, all of them, literally
all of them, thought that I bought some expansion for my Wii.
None of them knew that it was a dedicated console.
Swedish made?
What did I say?
Did I say something wrong?
No, no, you're just an expansion for your Wii.
I'm asking if it's Swedish made.
But yeah, I don't know.
I really enjoyed the Wii U.
And that controller, one, is very- That sort of thing is his bag, baby.
That controller was actually very comfortable.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yep, it's true.
Like more comfortable than the Switch is by a lot, in my opinion.
Okay.
You want to keep talking about this paradigm though, because I had another opportunity
to look at a device that's basically this, and I have to confess, I kind of blew them
off because I just didn't really care.
So you always expect it to suck and then it's actually okay.
Well, no, it's not that because I was so jazzed on the shield, right?
So here, hold on a second.
I'm just going to jump back over to my laptop for a second here.
This is from Peek-Doh, of all people.
Remember these guys.
They had this low latency HDMI streaming thing.
So it's millimeter wave, which is a problem because that means the range is going to be
pretty fubar, but 1080 60p, so 60 hertz.
And the pitched sort of use case for this thing was actually streaming your PlayStation
5 to it compatible with PC PlayStation, Xbox, Windows, Switch, et cetera, two and a half
milliseconds delay up to 30 meters or whatever, and three hour battery life.
And I kind of looked at this and I went, that seems really niche.
And Sony just laid down a big fat, I think you're wrong, Linus, because they are releasing
a first party accessory.
That's just this.
If this thing could work over cell networks, it would be sick.
It doesn't.
I know it doesn't.
You don't want, see, people keep asking for this.
You don't want to game over a cellular network.
Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah.
And okay.
I know.
Some games would be.
I know.
I hear you.
You can really hear your keys heating up as you furiously type a message about how much
you love using Moonlight over a cell network or whatever.
Steam link, I know there are certain types of games you want to play like a puzzle game
or something.
No problem by all means play over a cellular network, but wherever you live a, your cell
network must be a lot better than mine.
So maybe you're in Tokyo or you're in Seoul or something like that.
Sure.
Fine.
A, your cell network is a lot better than mine.
B, you must have a really great data plan.
Both of those things are true in a lot of places in the world.
Absolutely.
People run their house internets off cell.
Absolutely.
However, even under those ideal conditions, there are certain genres of games that are
just not going to be fun with the additional latency.
And I, I just, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't compromise on that.
I just wouldn't.
Um, I, I, I love what Sony's doing right now though.
PSVR two is awesome.
Yeah.
This, I don't know if it's awesome.
It looks cool, but it's cool.
Yeah.
It's different.
Yeah.
It's not just, I am a hundred percent certain while it's not necessarily for me, that some
people will love this thing.
So Microsoft, how, how hard have they lost this generation of gaming at this point?
You, you could play PlayStation games in the bath.
Yeah, I could.
That's pretty sweet.
I won't, but I could.
Yeah, cause not necessarily a hundred percent for you, but someone could fit that use case.
That's pretty cool.
I do.
I do wonder, and Conrad's echoing this in the, in the chat.
How much is it going to cost?
From not announcing a price is like a little sus.
It is, it is a, it is a wee wee bit sus.
I think it's not, I think it's not going to be cheap.
I mean here, here, you know what?
I can get you pricing for that peak dough thing because realistically it's the same,
same hardware.
Um, you know what?
I don't know if I ever got a final price cause I think it was a Kickstarter or something.
Right.
That was one of the other reasons that we didn't cover it.
I don't, I don't like covering Kickstarters.
Speaking of which, we should talk about that sponsor spot fail this week on tech Wiki.
I'll we'll address that a little bit later.
Don't let me forget.
Um, no, I don't have, I don't have a price for this thing.
So if I had to guess, I'd say it'll probably be similar to the G cloud.
So in the two 50, two 50 us to two 99, I think this is going to be a very expensive accessory.
But again, I do think some people will eat that, but that's something that Sony has demonstrated
that they're totally willing to do.
I mean the PlayStation VR too is an accessory that costs as much as the bloody console.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
It's not, that's not cheap by any means at all, but like it's not, it's not 700 bucks.
It's not dedicated handheld.
Yeah.
You're not, you're not buying a, you're not, you're not buying an accessory.
You're buying a completely different experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's something that Sony has done a really good job of here is creating different experiences
and it's not going to have quite the mobility of the switch, but man, I gotta gotta take
a moment and just appreciate how crap the switches these days.
I own a switch OLED, a top of the line switch if you will.
And I own tears of the kingdom.
You guys saw my copy that I bought on the short circuit.
And I am currently in the process of getting my, uh, my Yuzu all set up for the trip that
Luke and I are going on so that I can start tears of the kingdom on a platform that doesn't
suck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The switch is over six years old.
Yeah.
And it was garbage when it came out.
That's the worst part.
By the way, Jake, Jake from the lab is, is talking in the float plane chat about what
I said about cellular networks and game streaming and he's like, yeah, the problem is not how
many gigabits per second or whatever that you can get in a speed test.
The problem is that this is real time data and latency matters.
And so if anything arrives even ever so slightly out of order, it's going to be garbled and
that's something you simply can't control on a cellular network.
It's extremely challenging.
Um, and yeah, yeah, people are talking about like what, what ping time I get or how many
megabits I get.
That is not the point.
It's just a very, very, even though it feels the same to us, it's the same thing with frame
times, right?
Yeah.
I click link and page load.
It feels the same to us, but it's a really different technology.
Yup.
Yup.
Yup.
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64 ounce at lttstore.com.
When you're in the checkout, you can send, when you're in the cart, you can send a merch
message and our producer Dan will try to respond to it.
It's going to be a bit of a shorter show today cause Luke and I have to catch a flight.
We'll talk about that in a little bit.
And so our producer Dan might respond to it.
He might just put it up on the bottom and if there's no replies, uh, who knows, maybe
chat can help reply to your merch message.
We might need some help from you guys today or Dan is going to curate some of them for
me and Luke to address later on during when show after dark, since we're talking about
what's going on on the store, why don't we tell you guys about a couple of new items?
Uh, I don't see them in the thing here.
Yes, I do see them in the thing here.
We just launched our premium joggers.
Who is this with that drip?
It's gotta be like Bellavance or something.
Oh no, it's not.
Whoever it is, they've got the swag stance going on.
Definitely got the swag stance.
These are super nice by the way.
Got them in two different colors.
I might actually have to check these out.
Black and olive.
Man, love this.
Great pose.
I do want some, some joggers.
Sammy!
There's Sammy.
He gets the poses man.
Yeah, Colton.
He tries.
Colton doesn't.
We've got contrast going on.
Solid, solid after dance.
Yeah, fantastic.
These are super nice.
Oh, look at this.
What a nice write up.
You know how we've talked about how we don't do a good enough job sometimes?
Let's go.
Made of 100% recycled polyester.
Sick!
Very cool.
We also launched one other product this week that you guys are going to want to check out.
I wouldn't necessarily wear these two together, but you know, hey, you can definitely get
them both.
Very different feel, but we've had a lot of people ask us for stuff that they can wear
to work that still matches the comfort that they know and love from our other products.
But that is workplace, workplace ready, Colton.
F***ing really?
I swear I've seen him do exactly that.
I don't know why, but like, I've seen him do that.
Why does Colton do anything he does?
I don't know.
Anyway, it's available in green and charcoal melange.
Super comfy, and okay, who wrote these?
This shirt is softer than a freshly pixelated kitten's fur.
What?
Pixelated kittens.
What does that even mean?
I have no idea, but it is, it is comfy.
It's interesting.
It probably would get people to keep reading, so maybe it's good.
The joggers are available in two colours and two lengths, and the polo shirt is available
in two different colours.
Oh!
Now seems like as good a time as any to talk about LTT is hiring.
Ah, yes.
Wait, I'm supposed to show the jobs page, and I am also supposed to...
I'll do the reading.
I'll do the reading.
Okay, I'll show the jobs page.
Bullet point one, writer slash video producer, Colin.
We're specifically looking for someone to help make the kind of videos Alex makes, i.e.
we're looking for laptop expertise and or maker skills.
Engineering background with expertise in SolidWorks, has to be SolidWorks specifically, would
be a really nice bonus as well.
Also, we're looking for a data visualization specialist for the labs, basically make our
graphs better.
This person should have great data presentation expertise, some ability as a graphic artist,
and some ability as a data analyst.
Mr. Gary Key has written a message to our potential hires as well, for everyone to enjoy.
It's down on the bottom.
Of what?
Do you want to just read it at this point?
Oh, I was looking at the wrong screen.
If you be-leave, you're a-whoa.
This will be your boss.
This is a specialist.
What?
I...
Huh?
If you can read it.
Yeah, got the job.
Then we want you for the labs.
With an eye for details.
I got there.
The an eye for details took me a second.
How are we hiring so many things right now?
What is a project manager float plane, Luke?
Huh?
What's a project manager?
What is this?
It's a proj-projector man-an-anager.
Okay, thanks, Gary Key.
Yeah, no worries.
Okay.
We're closing the back-end one.
I finished writing that contract today.
Accounting just needs to sign it off.
We're closing that position.
Let's go.
The project manager one is probably going to go away as well, but not because I found
someone, just because it's not really working.
Okay.
Well, hey, there's time, I guess.
There is going to be probably, we're looking through current applicants, but if that doesn't
work out, we might be making another posting for a front-end position for float plane as
well.
All right.
Yeah.
How are we still...
Okay, we need to take a little break at some point.
Mine are pre-budgeted and haven't budgeted for a while.
I know, I know.
Mine are good.
Leave mine alone.
I know.
I need mine.
Why don't we do a couple of merge messages?
Dan, hit us.
Sure thing.
Hello, LLND.
With the end or near the end of Moore's law, how do you expect to see continued generational
performance improvement as the transistors can no longer shrink?
You know, I just...
It seems impossible, but they keep doing it.
Yeah, they keep finding some lever to turn, some wheel to crank, IPC improvements.
Like there's things that...
3D stacking looks like it is going to be huge.
Chiplets look like they are going to be huge.
We might find other ways to expand the amount that you're using, not necessarily the amount
we can fit in a certain area.
Okay, technology like in Intel's Foveros chip, where they've got...
I forget.
It's like three or four different manufacturing processes and all these buses that are communicating
with each other on this giant package.
Stuff like that is going to make its way to consumer technology or to consumer electronics
at some point, and could be a game changer.
The way that AI is changing the game too is massive.
I think that we are super mad about NVIDIA giving us underpowered gaming chips at a price
that isn't palatable right now.
But when we look back, so 10 years from now, when we're playing photorealistic games at
300 frames per second or whatever, on chips that fundamentally haven't changed nearly
as much as the 10 years prior, we're going to be looking at it going, wow, they were
way ahead.
And that was early teething pain for what was ultimately going to be the future.
I was looking at this new Photoshop feature, where you basically just give it an image
and then just tell it, oh yeah, I want a lake in the middle, and I want a car, and I want
a cloud that's shaped like the car.
You saw the same article I did, I think.
I meant to send it to our thumbnail designer, but I forgot.
I'm sure there already were.
So Photoshop just has generative AI built in, and if we're doing that in Photoshop now,
then give it a little bit more time, and we'll be doing that in real-time in games,
you'll be able to mod a game by simply typing in a prompt.
Okay, I want to play Super Mario World, but all of the Koopas are little faces with mustaches.
Ball of wax.
That's insane.
I don't think I've even thought about that before.
Procedurally generated games don't even have to pre-make the assets.
I want to play Half-Life 2, but all the opponents are donkeys.
And you know what?
It's not going to be perfect, but it's going to get pretty good.
You can hugely simplify the modding scene for certain things.
You know when they made all the dragons in Skyrim into Thomas the Tank Engine or whatever?
I didn't see that, but I love it.
That's my favourite.
It's great.
Oh yeah.
Amazing.
It's a fantastic mod.
When they fly in, you normally hear the dragon roar, they have a train horn.
It's very good.
It's very good.
But you could do stuff like that using this instead.
Oh, did you find it?
Do you want sound?
No, no.
I don't think sound will be necessary entirely.
So it's going to land on top of the tower that you're looking at right now.
Spoilers.
Oh come on, it's Skyrim.
Yeah.
You can see it flying around in the background and it's going to slam down.
There's people who would, they'd be like arachnophobic or whatever, so they would replace all the
spiders in the game with like teddy bears or whatever else too.
Right.
Yeah.
So yeah, that sort of thing is only going to get easier.
Oh, so good.
Which is great.
Yeah.
Oh man.
You know what would be really interesting?
Oh man.
I wonder if we'll get to the point, you know how we've been waiting for, or I have, whatever,
for Skyblivion and Moreblivion or Skywind, which are, it's Morewind and Oblivion rebuilt
in Skyrim's engine with really high resolution textures and all this other kind of stuff.
Because you can do some pretty cool things in Skyrim's engine, even though it's pretty
old.
I think we're going to get to a certain point eventually where because of, because like,
yeah, it's going to have some issues doing this kind of stuff out of nowhere, creativity
problems, all that kind of stuff.
It pulls from something, whatever.
But you might be able to go like, okay, here's a game.
Here's all the information I have, all the local files, all that kind of stuff.
I want you to recreate this using UE5 or whatever.
I want you to recreate this using this other thing.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Because it's pretty good at translating, right?
Even stuff like RTX Remix.
You know, okay, just AI replace all the light sources with real point light sources.
And then you'll have to go in and tweak it.
You'll still have to be a graphic designer or a game designer or whatever else.
It'll still take work.
But man.
Yeah.
And it's like the generative AI in Photoshop, right?
It's not replacing artists.
Yeah.
We still need an artist to do that.
We need all the same people to do all the same stuff.
It just makes their job easier.
Well, more realistically, it makes it so they have to do more of it.
But yeah.
Because that's what working here is like.
There's always going to be stuff to do.
That is never a concern.
I mean, that's what work is like, Luke.
I don't make the freaking...
I was reading an article.
They surveyed a bunch of Gen Z and Millennial people
who have sort of pioneered this concept of...
It's called lying flat in China or quiet quitting in North America.
Their top priorities being work-life balance as opposed to all these other things.
And then when they continue asking them questions, they're like, okay, right.
But is that a thing?
And they're like, no.
No, actually, I have a second job hustling.
You get bored.
Well, no.
No.
It's just inflation's out of control.
It's not actually feasible.
You have to bust your butt.
And so it's this sort of aspirational thing.
I don't know.
It's a big challenge.
It's one of those things where I feel like we do, I think, a pretty good job of trying
to make it so that people don't have to work outside their 40 hours.
But by and large, the way the world's going right now, it's not like that.
It has shifted from an employee's market to an employer's market, like looking at what's
going on with the big tech firms and the way that they're bringing everyone back to office,
getting perks, laying off literally thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of staff.
I watched a video recently of a certain excessively rich person, and it was like...
How much is a banana?
If we...
No, something else?
That one was really funny.
That was really funny.
Very funny.
But no, they were like, okay, if we take this person's net wealth in single American dollar
bills, so like one US dollar, because I know a lot of other countries don't have that,
so I'm making sure you know.
When we stacked it horizontally and tried to wrap around the world, how far do we get?
Single US dollar bills.
Like the width.
Almost, yeah.
Pressed against each other.
Right.
You almost make it the whole way around the world.
Wow.
It's just like...
Does this make any sense?
I don't know.
Anyways, sorry.
I'm gonna get back on the tech topics.
Oh, no, I think we're supposed to actually do a couple more merch messages.
Ah, give us a merch message anyway.
Yeah.
Come on, give us a merch message.
Okay.
This one's from Jordan.
What's the longest you have ever worked in one shift?
Oh, I mean, there was...
I knew that would get a giggle from Luke.
Peanut butter crackers.
700 series launch.
What?
700 series launch, I'm pretty sure I was awake for like four days.
See, I don't know.
I've done some pretty, I've done some pretty dumb stuff too.
It depends on how we define work.
We didn't used to classify sitting on a plane as work, but we apparently do now.
Yeah, it's complicated.
Yeah.
It's complicated.
But I remember when David and I, and someone from the business team came with us, I can't
remember, but we went to and from Germany in like 30 hours, like doorstep to doorstep.
So that wasn't technically one shift, but good gravy.
Was that ever intense?
Cause that's like an 11 hour flight or something like that, or like nine hour flight.
I can't remember exactly how long it is.
We shot a video on the other side.
Like we, like we worked and then we were back.
Those touch and go trips can be pretty exhausting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that trip to Germany was probably my worst.
The worst recently was what we went through with the, uh, the channel hijacking though.
I think it hasn't been that bad in a while.
We try, we actually try.
People are constantly, why do you have so many people on staff?
Cause we're trying.
Cause we are actually trying, it's not always easy because this is my, this is, I'm broken
and this is my problem because you're like talking about how that's a victory.
But for me, those are all like my favorite memories, but then I have to remember that
that's not normal.
That's not realistic.
Or that, because I will break.
So I have to like, but I enjoy those.
So I kind of like it when it happens sometimes, but I don't like, it probably shouldn't happen
too often or I'll I'll I'm old now.
I can't do that all the time, but I do like those moments.
You're old?
I'm getting there.
I'm getting there.
I'm starting to feel it.
The recovery time from things is getting long.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
It doesn't get better.
That's the main thing that I'm noticing.
Not a lot else is really that, you know, but if I, if I go too far, it's like, okay, I
need to rest.
I'll be like, I'll be good in like a day.
And then it's like a week passes and I'm like, I'm still feeling it.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not going to get better from here on out.
I'll tell you that much.
Yep.
30 is rough.
35 is worse.
Nice.
I, uh, I had my, my badminton training session last night.
Uh, my, my Thursday night session.
Uh, I didn't message you this because Luke was messaging me the week prior, I think telling
me how much water he drank at one of his things.
So in two hours and 20 minutes, I drank two and a half of these.
That is 100 ounces of water.
And let me put it this way.
I didn't go pee.
I am fucking annihilated right now.
Like I am so sore and so tired.
I don't know what he was trying to do to me.
I told him, I was like, David, I'm going to Taiwan to play badminton every day and cover
a trade show.
Why are we doing all smash practice today?
We've been planning this video for a long time and things just keep coming up, but we'll,
we will do it where we're going to go to the gym.
And I, I at no point in time have actually known what the like point was or what we're
like actually supposed to do.
So I've had, I've just in my head, I've had these various ideas for like a while.
Just different, like, ah, maybe we'll do this, maybe we'll do that.
And then eventually I was like, you know, I was hoping this was going to be a recurring
thing and it's not going to be, so I'm just going to like hurt him.
What?
I'm just going to make it so hard that like he's just going to wake up the next day and
not be able to move.
And then I was like, I like enjoyed this idea and then I was like, no, I can't cause like
we're too old now.
If we were back when we first started doing this, that would have probably been fine.
Yeah.
If this was 10 years ago, we probably would have both been fine.
But now if I do that, it's like actually going to be a problem and you'd probably make me
do it with you.
So we'd both just be wrecked for like ever.
Okay, well I can't do that.
So back to the drawing board.
I was like, oh man, all right, why don't we jump into our next topic here.
No one wants to buy the RTX 4060 TI in spite of my best efforts after taking a back alley
deal from Nvidia to promote their new GPU slash S. Nvidia's new RTX 4060 TI has been
met with low consumer interest.
Many retailers only ordered a few cards per store and in some areas, especially Europe,
they're already offering the cards for 10 to $25 below the recommended retail price.
And this is probably because in Europe, the recommended retail prices are particularly
brutal because Nvidia apparently doesn't attend the XE.com school of how currency conversion
works.
At the same time though, Nvidia's market valuation increased by 30%, 30% their stock went up
in the last two days or something like that due to high demand for LLM chips.
So a large language model chips, like machine learning chips.
Nvidia don't give a about gamers anymore.
It's so annoying because like, yeah, they had crypto stuff and then that sort of died
and we were like, yeah, come back to us.
Come crawling back, baby.
They're back for like what?
Not even a year.
And then they're like, Ooh, do you wave to ride?
Let's go.
Like, Oh, come on.
Oh, well, anyway, AMD of course dropped prices on the 7,600 XT down to $2,000.
2 69 only 36 hours before launch.
Okay.
I'd actually like to talk about that.
We had a whole stick for that video where the intro was going to be AMD.
I'd be happy to help you learn how to benchmark GPU so that you can price your cards appropriately.
And we actually left in part of it.
And then we kind of went record scratch, uh, AMD, uh, change the price of the card.
If all, I don't want us to get too good guy AMD about them bringing this card out at a
price that is somewhat reasonable because it's somewhat reasonable because yeah, a it's
only somewhat reasonable.
It's in line with the rest of their lineup, which they did, you know, get aggressive on
a little bit, but that's only to, you know, deal with the fact that GPU demand is apparently
like at a historic low right now or something like that.
But th this is not out of the goodness of their hearts and be, they only did it at the
last second, like very last second, changing the price of a GPU a day and a half before
it's it's public launch is a colossal undertaking because they have to basically redo all the
contracts that they have with their board partners, right?
They have to, they have to go and do like a whole bunch of paperwork and re I mean, I
imagine the account accounting department would absolutely hate this, right?
Um, and I want us to not lose track of the fact that if they were able to price it at
two 69, 36 hours from launch, they could have priced it at two 69, 36 days from launch.
There is nothing about the cost of this card that necessitated the two 99 price that they
originally announced to the press, nothing clearly.
And it was only due to some kind of probably intense pressure that they would have made
a last minute change like this.
So I'm, I'm annoyed.
I find it extremely disrespectful.
They're like these good guy by association because the other guy's worse.
Yeah.
It's more just like they could have just done this.
They could have, they could have been, you know, pro consumer.
They could have cared about consumer value in the first place and they could have had
it at a good price, but they didn't.
There's clearly a lot of internal forces at AMD that wanted this card to be priced as
high as the market could possibly bear.
And it was only at the last second that they ultimately made the decision to back down.
And it's extremely disrespectful to everyone else who's involved in the launch of a product
like this, including media partners.
And I know there's going to be the people out there whose takes, you know what, yeah,
maybe I will just start shadow banding because they're phenomenally stupid, but whose takes
on this are going to be, Oh wow, complaining about free GPU's.
Do you think I need a 7,600 XT?
Do you think that meaningfully changes my life?
Our job is to make these reviews so that people know what to buy.
That's the whole point.
And then the way that that symbiotic relationship works with the manufacturers is if they make a
good product, then as long as we are independent and trusted, that will dramatically improve
their sales.
And the second we're not independent and trusted, it will have no impact whatsoever.
So it's in their interest to support an independent media, right?
And so when they don't give us the tools to do our jobs properly, well, it's disrespectful
to us and it's also disrespectful to you guys.
There was a not insignificant probability that if any outlet had a family emergency
or something like that, they wouldn't be able to get the proper message out to their viewers.
Now the good news is that for any written outlet, a price change is theoretically pretty
easy to adjust.
You just kind of go, oh, okay, control H, 299, 269, replace.
But because it's so dramatically changed the value proposition of this card, which is a
value tier card, I wouldn't say budget, but definitely it's about the value.
You're not buying a 7,600 XT because you're going for the utmost in performance.
You want bang for the buck, right?
It changed the angle of the video a lot.
And for video, that's even harder to adjust because you need to change the script, then
you need to reshoot it.
We actually had to fully reshoot that video.
The only reason that we reused some of our original shoot was because I just kind of
thought it was funny to have my outfit change sporadically throughout the video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
This is great.
In our notes here, it says communication of the drop was scattered and some reviews did
actually go up based on the original price, which is not a proper service to you, the
viewer.
AMD's board partners seem to have stuck with the 270 price with the exception of the ROG
Strix OC edition at $340.
And then Best Buy has made the interesting choice to price multiple models of the 7,600
at 380.
Probably because they haven't actually gotten written signed confirmation of any kind of
rebates that they might be getting on these cards that they probably got allocation of
completely sight unseen, not knowing what the pricing was, or they got the original
pricing only for it to change later.
Intel apparently though, took the opportunity to slash the A750 to 199.
That's actually a pretty interesting price.
AV1 encoding, solid 1080p performance.
And with being able to stream, like there's a very strong argument at that price for streamers
grabbing that just as their streaming card.
Yeah.
200 bucks.
Man, that's a lot of hardware for 200 bucks.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, Nvidia wants $100 for just eight gigs of the RAM on that card.
And if it doesn't sell, man, I just don't think they're going to give any F's.
They're so busy.
The LLM cards, whatever.
They're so busy selling every wafer they can book at TSMC right now.
Yeah.
Like, oh, it's not performing as well.
To like AI startups.
Just don't book more time.
Yeah.
Who cares?
Yeah, whatever.
Just shift production to Teslas or whatever.
Or AA whatever they call it these days.
I think the Tesla branding is gone, but.
Was it A4000?
Is that right?
No, I think it's A6000 or something like that.
I can't remember anymore because it seems like they have intentionally made their product
stack just completely unintuitive.
Why did they take away the Quadro name?
It was so good.
Yeah.
And then they had like two different generations of workstation card that have the same model.
The only thing that they did that I didn't like was they would have like weird like Best
Buy exclusive generations and then skip over them for everybody else.
That was the only thing.
Maybe all the rest of it was fine.
Just leave it alone.
Oh, now Nvidia's naming is a nightmare.
Yeah, now it's a mess.
And so is AMD's for that matter.
I have gained a renewed interest in AMD's cards because they're just a killer value
right now from about $180 up to realistically like 450, 500 bucks.
And so as part of that scrapyard GPU war thing where I was trying to get the best bang for
the buck GPU for around the price of a 4060 TI at retail, I ended up doing a bunch of
research into AMD cards that I hadn't really paid much attention to.
Their product stack is a mess.
They have a 6600, a 6600 XT, and then they have a 6650 XT.
But then in the 7000 generation, they're not doing 50s.
They're doing XTX for the more better one.
And I'm just, I'm looking at this going, what the hell is going on?
Sometimes you have an XT, sometimes you have a 50, sometimes the XT is a huge jump.
Sometimes the 50 is a big jump, but they're both XTs.
I cannot wait for the lab to just have a database where I can just go, okay, get that game at
that resolution and just show me all of them, please lab.
I'm so ready.
I haven't told them yet, but one of the things that I would like for us to do, nevermind
GPU reviews.
One of the things that I would like for them to do is have enough test benches that we
can run in parallel and we can basically like once a year, maybe twice a year, if we can
make it automated enough, we just throw every card back on, run it with the latest drivers
and just have this database be up to date.
So you can just compare functionally anything with a PCIE slot.
I have vaguely mentioned this and I saw hearts shatter, but I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
I think it'll, I just think it'll take a long time.
They just need more test benches.
I mean, if it gets as simple as we can use machine vision to set up the infrastructure
behind all that is going to be like pretty intense.
Yeah, but that sounds like videos to me.
Like I said, it's very, I believe we can get there, but I don't expect it soon.
That's all I'm saying.
They got a lot of stuff going on.
There's a lot of moving parts in that there lab.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited, man.
It's going to be, it's going to be awesome.
I had someone ask in floatplane chat today, if we would make content about cards, like
pretty deep into their life cycle, talking about their performance on new drivers.
I don't think that that's something that you're going to see very often.
I don't think the content on LTT, but I think that's something where the lab could end up
digging up, you know, cool outliers like, man, how, how would we train it to look for,
you know, weird anomalies like, you know, Hey, flag it for us if this card has increased
in performance by more than 20%.
If we've tested it in the past, that would help a lot because then if a test is like
way outside of expected change, then we would know.
Yeah, I guess so.
And we're going to have to have like weekly meetings with the lab and kind of like, okay,
what have you tested?
What, what's interesting.
Um, I had a meeting with James today about sort of what our, what our channel strategy
is going to look like going forward.
And it's, it's, it's kind of like, um, content kind of rolls down a hill sort of thing.
So LTT started out as simple, basic, like reading the packaging unboxings essentially.
And then it turned into more like testing and reviews.
And then it turned into bigger projects and became very personality driven.
And now it's sort of reached a show.
Yeah, I would say it's, it's reached kind of an end game as far as that goes.
And then we identified that there was this content gap that we were no longer filling
and we went, Oh, okay.
How about short circuit then a short circuit will now do the, the simple, easy, cheapo
unbox.
Okay.
Nope.
We're going to start adding data to short circuit.
Let's make that more like a review.
Okay.
But then what about these simple unboxings?
Well, you know what?
We're going to have data for those two, and then we're going to do these category specific
channels.
You guys might be disappointed when you see the production values of these every single
power supply that ever exists.
It might just be hands unboxing some very basic B roll.
We might have to find a way to essentially cut these with AI and then have an editor
go in and fix.
There are AI video editing tools.
Like it might be pretty basic.
But if our, if our goal is to, you know, have a video that could belong on every single
product page on new egg or something like that in the longer term here, uh, realistically
how, how much, um, how much more is there going to be for us to say about the 13, 500
or the 13, 400 core I five, I man, I'm going to be really interested to see what will be
able to do with a labs data sheet, a large language model, and a writer to kind of go
in and clean it up.
It's going to need that, um, where we basically just go, okay, feed the LLM all the performance
data and specs of this product and everything within $50 of it on either side.
And uh, you know, the top tier from that generation, what would it spit out?
Would it say compared to AMD's, whatever it's like this and that's still 30% worse than
the best Intel has to offer.
But it like, if we, if we gave it enough samples, like if we wrote them manually to start and
then fed that to it, would it be able to, to generate anything usable?
I don't even know.
What could be kind of interesting is eventually if we have like site analytic, like user,
how people use the labs website analytics that are good, we could use that to fuel content
direction.
Like if we start noticing a ton of people start comparing some certain cards or whatever,
we could be like, maybe content time.
That's pretty cool.
I do stuff like that.
Okay.
I'm liking that.
Not yet.
Not yet.
It's going to take time.
Yeah, that's fine.
We've got time.
Thank you.
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Oh, okay.
That's not creepy at all.
Cool.
Oh my goodness.
Hey Dan.
I'm happy that Dennis' spots are back.
Hey Dan, we don't know what to do.
Tell us what to do.
Tell us what to do.
Three messages.
Okay.
Well then why didn't you just read a merch message?
Yeah.
Dan?
Yeah.
It's going to be less effective trying to yell at it when we're in Taiwan.
Yeah, that's true.
Oh yeah.
We're going to, next week is going to be the Taiwan show.
Why didn't I think of that?
Uh, yeah.
Okay, fine.
If you insist.
Okay.
Uh, okay.
Uh, another Dan has a question for the talent.
Uh, LTX is coming soon and with the whale LAN, I would like to hear your tips for traveling
with LAN gear.
Oh man.
I mean, yeah, it takes GPO.
Never never put your tower down below if you can avoid it.
It's a strong argument for, yeah, like in the luggage check, like if you can, if you
can small form factor it and bring your computer with you by man, I would try flying, but at
the very least take your GPU out of the system, pack it up with stuff.
We did a video, I forgot about this.
Um, Linus, how to pack your PC here, hold on a second.
How to not smash your PC gaming rig packing and moving guide.
This was, this must've been more than three years ago.
Hold on.
Just a gosh darn second here.
What's the exact date on this?
Yeah.
July 1st, 2019.
This was in the lead up to LTX the last time we did it.
Look at this hair.
Um, and the whole idea was that we were going to be doing a big LAN and we wanted people's
computers to make it safely.
So we show you guys all these ways that you can pack up your computer safely.
Oh yeah.
This stuff is really good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But only got a million views, but hey, I think we just got a nice little bump from the 500
people who are coming to Whaleland.
Yay.
Small bump.
Little bump.
All right.
Hit me Dan.
DLL with how much you guys work when show lasting four to five hours, how do you manage
a good work slash family balance?
Um, well, I'm supposed to be home already so that I can spend a bit of time with my
wife before I go to the airport.
What time's our flight?
2 AM.
2 AM.
So I fly out in six hours.
Takes quite a while to get there.
Um, it's been a challenge.
Yep.
Uh, but, but I schedule time for family.
Uh, so every, every week I, um, I go to my daughter's martial arts class with them.
So I help participate in the class.
Um, also I do badminton training with my kids.
Like I, I'll play with them.
Um, you know, whether it's like family game night or board games or movie night or whatever
else, you know, we make sure that we do those things at least a couple of times a week.
We weren't swimming on the weekend.
Like you just have to schedule it.
I think is, is the typical response you'll hear from busy people.
Get it on the schedule.
Um, and the funny thing about it is that like my parents were super busy, but I didn't really
think about it until I became a parent.
Like you, you remember like, oh yeah, we would go to, you know, play land or we would do
this or we would do that.
And you think back and you go, yeah, we did that like four times.
Um, the kids memories are funny and I, I think my kids think I spend a lot of time with them
actually.
So it's, it's good, you know, bedtime stories, making sure that you kind of catch them at
least once a day and do something with them I think is really important.
My life is a lot easier.
Don't have kids.
I do.
I am hoping to have some amount of time at home though cause my birds have been away
all week.
Have I told you this at all?
No.
Okay.
So when I was in Houston doing one of the coolest things I've ever done in my darn life,
um, uh, we boarded the birds at the vet.
It's pretty common for people to board their birds at vets when they go away.
Is it common for the vet to not bother taking care of their birds at all?
Yeah.
Uh, so there's a continuation of that story.
Oh, they have mites.
Your birds have mites that they got.
Are you sure?
At the vet.
Okay.
I shouldn't joke.
I mean, I'm too pissed to find it funny.
It was pretty good, but I'm very angry right now.
So I didn't, it didn't seriously, they have vet mites.
Yeah.
So we contacted the vet and they were like, Oh yeah.
So we had our second infestation of mites ever in our like entire history and they're
there.
They've been around for a very long time.
Yeah.
Um, this is like the worst ever and things are bad.
Bring them back and we'll take care of them.
Uh, scoop the blue and white one, uh, was anemic and birds are, you know, humans are
like mostly water birds, mostly air.
They have like no mass to them.
Right?
So if it's anemic, that's really bad.
Real bad.
So they took such good care of your birds last time.
So big concern.
Uh, and they're, they're probably home right now actually.
So I'm hoping to see them for some amount of time before we leave because I am big squeegee
man that wants to see little tiny borb before I go away for two weeks.
You're a good bird, dad.
Yeah.
I don't think I could be as attached to a bird as you seem to be to your bird house.
I don't have kids.
Yeah.
It's one of those things where, Oh boy, this is, Oh, this is going to be a hot day.
We should do the next merge message.
As a parent, I often hear people, you know, like dog people, people talk about how much
it's like kids.
Oh no.
And I'm just like, Nope, it's an animal.
You feel that way because you don't have kids.
Like I thought I loved cats a lot and like now I'm like, Oh no, it's just a cat.
Okay.
I mean, I like my cats and you can care about maybe love them a little, but it's, it's not
the same.
Emma and I actually have this conversation like often and I'm like, no, like they're
cool.
I care about them a lot.
I will do a lot for them, but you only have that much energy for your dog because yeah,
no, it's just a dog.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
And like dogs are cool.
Right.
Super cool.
Fantastic.
Yep.
Love my cats.
But, and we went through a lot.
Okay.
Here's the, here's the fun part.
You'll know how much I liked doing this.
They sent us this huge PDF about like, okay, so you had mites because now we had mites
in our house.
Right.
And we found them, my girlfriend found them because they were crawling on the blanket.
So it's not, they weren't, they're not just on the birds.
They're not just in the cage.
They're now in our house.
So it's like, this is how you deal with things now that you have mites in your house and
they're like, you will effectively never get rid of this infestation, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Some of the reasons why are they'll get into like your couch and you can't get them out
of your couch.
Guess what?
My response was, let's see how well, my eyes can usually pin me pretty well, but this one
was interesting.
So we'll see to get rid of mites arson because you can't get it out of certain
things.
So like, my computer chair is right next to the cage.
They say they sit literally right here.
The couch is literally right on the other side of that.
The solution to this.
There's a carpet that was right beside them as well.
I mean, no, you have to have just hauled it out immediately.
Yep.
Yeah.
I yeeted my couch, my computer chair and my giant carpet.
Thanks vet.
So my house, you walk into my house and it echoes now, like I actually yeeted like half
of the furniture that I own and I'm going to leave on this trip and come back and have
no computer chair.
Sick.
I have like a dining room chair.
Like I'll be fine.
But like, what a pain in the butt.
Oh my God.
I'm so annoyed.
Anyways.
Ah, good one.
Okay.
I get a, I get a courtesy chuckle for that one.
This is great.
The vets didn't tell you, bro, bro.
I I'm, I think, I think I'm going to start implementing my shadow banning.
Uh, got a, got a Twitch message, loving a self reproduction of yourself is the height
of hubris.
That is actually not what a kid is.
You're a fucking idiot.
Miniature Linus clones.
Like actually, like actually your brain is bad.
It's like you can't have that bad of a take because your, your brain couldn't possibly
get there from a place of being remotely functional, um, without it actually being real.
Like that's, that's kind of how it works.
Oh my God.
Next Twitch message.
Is there how many more other topics?
Please move on.
We will not have enough.
You got 10 minutes.
Hit me again.
Eight sleep.
Should we talk about that?
Yeah.
Talk about at some point, some viewers were upset that eight sleep who sponsored a video
last week requires a mandatory subscription.
I do want to put an asterisk on here cause I've talked about eight sleep on the show
a few times about how I've won and how I like it a lot.
I I'm 99.9% sure it was not a mandatory.
We can talk about that.
It is.
Yeah, no, but I bought mine back then.
So it requires a mandatory subscription for at least a year to their premium features.
And it's really expensive just as a note to their premium features with the purchase of
their temperature controlled mattress topper.
The product super basic feature heating slash cooling works without the subscription.
There's nothing forcing users to continue to buy it after the first year at our request,
eight sleep has agreed to double their discount offer from 150 to $300 to cover the costs
of subscription.
And we've let them know that we won't be working with them moving forward unless they make
changes to their subscription model and commit to an open source transition should the company
go out of business.
Hopefully that helps address things with you guys.
I gotta be honest with you.
The reason that I didn't know this was a problem is because I'm using my eight sleep topper
without a subscription because I looked at the features of the subscription and what
I wanted it for and I went, eh, not really worth it.
And it was optional back then.
And I didn't realize that you had to buy the year of subscription.
Honestly, I think they could have just messaged this better if the price was just higher and
it included the first year of subscription.
Then I don't think anybody would have, the people would have said it was expensive, but
they wouldn't have called it evil or predatory or whatever else.
Cause it is really expensive without, with or without the subscription whenever it is
very expensive.
Yeah, it's very expensive.
But Hey, thanks eight sleep for dealing with it in terms of how the discount code works.
It's cool that they did that.
And hopefully these guys will make a commitment to ensure that these things don't turn into,
you know, just 35 pounds of just e-waste.
If the company were to ever go out of business with that said, given how much their subscription
costs, I think it'd be a real challenge for them to go out of business.
But as expensive as it is, like I like the product and a lot of people were posting misinformation
too though.
They were saying that without the subscription, you can't use the app.
That is not true.
That's correct.
I do not do autopilot, which is the auto adjusting feature, right?
I don't have a subscription.
My phone is almost dead, so you can barely see my battery saver screen or whatever, but
this is my, this is my dashboard.
That's rough.
My temp dial.
My temp dial.
I get that almost every day as well.
Definitely works.
Oh, Oh, my sleep score of 26.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what do you want from me?
I, yeah, I don't sleep well, but anyway, yeah, my temp dial works and it will adjust throughout
the night, but it doesn't adjust based on my body temperature.
So I just have to kind of dial it into what I like.
And the challenge there is that if you are not in a temperature controlled space, like
my, my house has climate control, right?
If you're not in a temperature controlled space, then it could be a lot more important
to have the automatic thing, but then presumably you aren't paying for climate control.
So I see why people were upset and that's why we've gone to them and said, okay, look,
here's our list of demands.
But I also do see the value of the product.
It's not, Oh, I've actually done pretty good lately.
I've got you beat 74.
That's very good for me.
Wow.
Good job, Luke.
Thank you.
For the last five days, I have a sleep score of 26, 41, 80, 37, 44, and I have a full 100
from last Sunday.
Um, yeah, that's pretty good.
And I slept till like 1130 though.
So that's, yeah, that explains that.
My kids let me sleep in that day.
What do you want to talk about next?
Oh, right.
We should also talk about that other sponsor snafu this week on tech Wiki where we had
that sponsor that was like a, like a neck cooler thing.
Oh, I heard about this.
Okay.
I tried it.
It's like kind of cool pun intended, but it's a Kickstarter, right?
Or something.
Yeah.
So that I didn't know.
Ah.
Um, so I've reiterated to the team, Hey, we can't really do Kickstarter, Indiegogo stuff.
However, the reason they let it through is not entirely stupid either.
This is a company that basically uses crowdfunding campaigns as a marketing vehicle.
So you know how, even though we don't talk about products on Indiegogo or whatever, but
I'm constantly covering Ioneo.
Well, they, their product development just happens anyway.
Yes.
And they use, it's almost like marketing at that point.
So this company has also got a very similar history of just releasing products via crowdfunding
campaign as a marketing vehicle.
So that's why they made the call.
But the issue here I think was that there were a very rando company that our viewers
were not familiar with at all and therefore didn't have that trust built up at all.
And so we got a fair amount of pushback on that and rightly so.
The talking points were stupid and I talked to the business team about that as well.
Like one of the talking points was that the fan is AI controlled and I'm like, if your
fan is AI controlled, you did it wrong because you're powering an AI processor in your, in
your like neck cooler that should probably be using that power for cooling your neck
and just have a simple fan curve on it.
Right.
So I talked to them about how we can't just take silly talking points at face value.
We have to make sure that we are communicating things in a way that is representative of
the actual product.
What does the product do?
It cools your neck.
It kind of feels like having like a chili water bottle around your neck like this.
You know what?
I like it.
Is it going to be the difference between, you know, going out in 45 Celsius heat and
being immediately comfortable?
I think it's fair if it's a company without a proven track record and it's a, it's a Kickstarter
Indiegogo level pre-order.
I think that part's fair, but like you said, you didn't know it was that.
So I don't know.
So yeah, I mean, I only found out about this after it was already a controversy, but I
think, you know what?
Things like this are going to happen more and more and I'm just going to have to kind
of get used to it.
As chief vision officer, I'm probably going to end up running damage control more often
as opposed to less often if part of the goal here is for me to not be like hour by hour
involved in absolutely everything that this company does because it's just, it's not possible
anymore.
Theoretically, hopefully we have less though.
Like for a change, hold on, what were the two controversies?
There was the, okay, the eight sleep one I had something to do with, but I didn't know
all the details and to the business team's credit, they did tell me that there was some
kind of controversy around the subscription and I waved it away because I kind of went,
well, yeah, but like, I don't know, I use it without the subscription, who cares?
Whoops.
Right.
But then this other one with the weird net cooler thing, I actually didn't know anything
about it until the whole thing was done and I'm just going to have to get used to it,
I guess.
Yeah.
So we're going to make some mistakes.
We had this conversation, Yvonne and I had this conversation today where she was talking
about, I was, I was talking about this thing that we're implementing and security issues
around it and like, who should be able to have what level of access to various things
if not.
And she was kind of just thinking out loud about how it's interesting and in some ways
difficult, but in some ways good, whatever, like just kind of thinking out loud about
the idea that it's not always just Linus Yvonne run everything all the time anymore.
It's weird.
We can't.
Yeah.
It's not possible.
Nope.
There's like a, like almost 120 people.
We added like two more people on Monday.
Like what?
Yeah.
The Monday morning meeting like always has a picture in it these days.
Like always.
Well, you're not helping.
No.
Mine were all pre-approved bro.
Mine were all pre-approved like last year.
I don't deny it.
Should we talk about the invisible PC setup?
Uh, yes, yes.
Invisible mouse, invisible keyboard, hologram monitor.
This channel is actually amazing.
This is the only thing I've seen, but it was awesome.
And I, Oh no, he did this like super tiny one too.
And specifically called me out to beat it.
And I was like, I can't, what am I going to do?
You've taken this too completely far.
This was sick.
I actually didn't even know.
That's kind of funny.
I didn't know this was going to be in the doc.
I watched like a short, I think on it and then was like, man, I wish I could see the
whole thing.
So now I need to watch the whole video.
Okay.
I see.
So yeah, the keyboard's like embedded in the table, but there isn't a mouse, which is interesting
because he could have used the same technology for the keyboard, but I actually am happy
that he didn't because there are limitations to it.
Right.
Adjustable sense.
Oh my goodness.
This is amazing.
That looks so insane.
Absolutely next gen.
Like something from like a, a, a movie on like future tech and AI from like the early
two thousands.
Yeah.
You know where they fake it, but he actually did it.
Yeah.
You guys are going to have to watch.
Crazy.
You should absolutely check it out.
That's super cool.
All the stuff that's embedded in here.
The zero gram invisible mouse.
I love the gaming memes.
Fantastic.
Wow.
Okay.
I'm going to have to super cool.
Can we, can we, can people post the link to that in chat or something?
Of course.
Oh, I mean I can just do it.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People are asking for the link.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
I got you guys.
I got you guys basically homeless.
Go check out the super tiny one as well.
I got to watch more of his stuff.
Cause that was really, that was awesome.
One of those channels like DIY perks where like it doesn't publish that much.
Um, so it's easy.
I freaking love DIY perks and stuff.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
We're just like, they're not, they're not prolific publishers like we are, but every
time they drop, it's a banger, a banger, it's a banger.
YouTube chat.
I bet it's a poor experience.
That is not the point.
This is why I never look at YouTube chat.
Actual unwashed masses.
JK.
Love you.
YouTube chat.
At least you're not as bad as Twitch chat.
There you go.
Boom.
Roasted.
Got them.
Okay.
Do we only have one?
Do we only have one after dark?
We have five minutes.
Okay.
The national eating disorders association replaced their helpline with a chat bot.
They've replaced all hotline workers and volunteers with a chat bot four days after the workers
voted to unionize.
If you thought AI is not coming for my job and you worked for the national eating disorders
association, you no longer think that you were objectively incorrect.
This is absolutely mind blowing and this is the, the, the leading edge.
This is the tip of the wave that's coming.
The hotline workers included a handful of paid staff as well as around 200 volunteers.
The employees demands did not include pay raises.
They asked for higher staffing levels and ongoing training to deal with staff burnout
and ballooning wait times.
Neda has used the chat bot called Tessa since February of 2022.
It is not based on chat GPT and does not make decisions or grow.
It follows predetermined pathways based on the knowledge of the researchers who made
it.
So this is an old school chapter.
I went into this assuming it was an AI chat bot.
This is an old school chat bot.
Like the thing that helped you with your better or worse, your Lego thing.
Probably better because like, okay.
So hallucinate.
Yes.
The reason why I freaked out about this was remember when we had that conversation forever
ago about the AI that convinced the dude to kill himself, join them or whatever.
I was worried that type of stuff would happen.
But it like won't happen with this type of system.
Yeah.
But while many users have rated the bot as helpful, it's creator has stated that it is
not an adequate replacement for a human staff help.
Yeah.
So that all sounds right, man.
Helpline volunteers were asked to act as testers for the chat bot instead of providing one
on one support to callers.
70,000 people last year.
Wow.
So wait, what, what actually happened?
Cause it said they did this, they've been doing this since February, 2022.
So did they do this back in February of 2022 or what?
What changed?
No, no, they've just had it now.
It's just all that's available.
So they just dropped everybody.
Yeah.
See you later.
Wow.
This, this is kind of wild.
The Google play store has suspended the app downloader, a popular app for sideloading
on Android TV, following a DMCA takedown from several Israeli TV companies who complained
that the app is capable of loading piracy websites.
Yeah.
That face is about how you should be feeling about this right now.
The web browser is essentially a combination of a web browser and file manager that allows
Android TV owners to easily download files from the internet onto their device.
It can display piracy websites, yes, but only to the same degree that any other web browser
can display piracy websites.
So they need to remove Chrome from the play store.
Yeah.
The specific piracy site that was noted in the complaint, Siderot, I don't know, has
received injunctions from Israeli and US federal courts.
However, it is still online and can still be accessed in Google Chrome.
Prior to the take down, downloader had been downloaded over 5 million times.
Yo dog, I heard you like downloading.
So I put a downloader in your downloads and it doesn't matter.
Google has rejected the developers appeal to reverse the decision.
It's still available on the Amazon app store and the developer's own website where you
can sideload it, I guess, but if it's for sideloading, can we just, can we just stop
letting tech illiterate people make legal decisions about tech?
Is that something we can do?
Do we have that power?
Then again, you let big tech be in charge of it and they're just going to walk all over
everybody anyway.
It's not going to be better.
Yep.
Oh man, that's really stupid.
How many points did your IQ drop just hearing this?
What was remaining?
I'll say, let's move on.
We don't have that much time.
Yeah, fine.
A Japanese YouTuber was arrested for posting, monetizing and posting and monetizing copyrighted
content.
The 52 year old YouTuber was accused of uploading and monetizing a playthrough of the visual
novel Stein's Gate, My Darling's Embrace, a romantic comedy dating sim without permission
from the developer.
They had likewise posted videos that contained footage from anime series.
These were not full episodes.
They were narrated summaries condensing the material, which is a popular video genre in
Japan.
A primary point of contention was the relatively long duration of the videos and the fact that
they contained the game's ending, meaning that they might act as a replacement for the
original material.
Seriously arrested.
Bad precedent.
Yeah.
And this kind of seems to explain why Nintendo doesn't understand how the entire rest of
the world views fair use because my understanding is fair use like kind of doesn't really exist
there.
Is that at least not in the same way that it does here?
I have no idea, but I don't think so.
I have also heard some pretty intense arguments against people streaming or making let's plays
or whatever of visual novels specifically.
Is that what this was?
Yeah.
I was reading some.
It was a romantic comedy dating SIM, but yeah, seems to be very story driven.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I'm going to go on a tangent, I guess, and just say for visual novels specifically,
cause this is a thing on like steam and stuff.
People have been pretty against it because you're basically live streaming, flipping
the pages in a book and you're showing all the pages in the book, right?
Like there, there actually is not any other content.
You're not playing the game, right?
So I don't know.
This one sounds like it's not that, but that's just like, I know that's a, the, an argument
that's going on.
Yeah.
Jake from the lab who I think lived over there for a few years, uh, says this is an interesting
one as Japanese copyright law, uh, dictates that the owners need to aggressively defend
their copyright, kind of like how trademark laws work here.
So this may not actually be something that the developer, the developer necessarily wants
to do, but if they want to keep their copyright, that's it.
Oh, seriously.
Activision shuts down community run servers for legacy Cod.
See you later.
Cease and desist from Activision.
So the problem is that those community servers were the only safe way to play those games
because Activision is not keeping their own servers up to date.
So you can something, something, uh, attack people through Activision servers cause they're
not secure.
I don't know all the details, but I know it's like bad.
And they implemented their own anti-cheat, which is super cool.
This is for the original modern warfare two.
Yeah.
It's like way better.
Ah, a possible cause for their legal action is the fact that one of X labs set up guides
contained a link to an illegal copy of the game.
Well that's bad, but then they should have just said, take that down.
Yeah.
But then I can see why they don't want to micromanage this.
Yep.
Yeah.
I shouldn't have done that.
So the modern warfare two steam page has seen a wave of negative reviews claiming that the
game can no longer be safely played.
That's true.
Discussion question.
There are a way for companies to defend their IP while allowing the community to take over
old games if they're no longer interested in maintaining them.
Yes, there is sort of because with Supreme commander, which is super cool, the way that
FA forever exists, that was an IP that was no longer actively being developed.
Whereas call of duty is, so it's all fine and good.
As long as this, you know, X labs version of the server is good and nobody is getting
infected or whatever, but as soon as they make a mistake, well, whose liability is that?
Yeah.
But then you shouldn't, it should be, it's a messy topic.
It's Harry.
But they should not, there should be some form of recourse for them selling old games
at full fat price that are unplayable safely for massively extended periods of time.
I think you get like three bucks in your class action, uh, pail.
Yeah.
Yep.
Just never matters.
And YouTube killed stories.
I am never getting a stories function on my foldable device because YouTube turned off
the feature or is turning it off June 26th.
That is the last date.
And apparently it's because almost no one uses them.
I mean, they got a lot of views, um, back when, you know, they were a thing, but they
want people to use community posts, which appear to be gaining traction and upload shorts.
So there you have it.
I'm never getting stories.
And I guess that's okay because it didn't really matter, except that there were some
really cool things you could do with stories like replying to comments with a story.
Sometimes it's not convenient to type out a thing on my phone and I'd like to just,
I had pitched to them, Hey, how about expanding stories so that it's a feature that exists
more like in the comments under a video.
So, uh, you know, a comment that got a lot of upvotes, I'd be able to just click a button
in my creator app and record a quick response to it.
And it could just live there.
Like there are absolutely cool ways that you could use stories.
And I think that YouTube is throwing the baby out with the bath water here a little bit,
but Hey, that's the Google way.
Let's create two different kinds of short video and they'll, they'll compete against
each other, but one of them is monetizable.
So that one's definitely the one that's going to win the number of times that they assured
me that they were probably going to be merged and that stories wasn't going away and that
they were definitely bringing the number of YouTube employees who have told me soon for
that feature on my phone is at least three.
Not going to name them.
It doesn't matter.
It's over, but it's at least three.
And you know who you are.
The last thing I want to talk about is our 45,000 watt fan.
Okay.
Think about that number.
Yeah.
I know.
45,000 watts.
Yeah.
I've seen it.
Did you see it in operation?
No.
How long was it in operation?
Scary.
Probably a total of about 10, 15 minutes.
Oh wow.
Because that's as long as we can power it for.
Yeah.
It is.
It actually draws so much power that we could not safely power it with the entire output
of the transformer in that unit generates so much thrust.
But it could almost hover with me sitting on it.
Wow.
It's going to be a fun video.
Do you know what they're used for?
I don't know.
Oh, we probably should have talked about that.
Whoops.
Okay.
Well, maybe.
Okay.
They have a bigger one.
So maybe we'll talk about what they're for in the sequel.
But we cool a computer with it.
Obviously.
Yeah.
I am genuinely interested to see what happens to the components or what you guys did to
make it so that things wouldn't happen to them.
Either one of those.
Yeah, Alex and Kyle were involved so you know it's going to be completely stupid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm excited.
Okay.
All right.
Time for when show after dark.
Which is not that dark anymore because we had some feedback.
We listen sometimes.
When after slightly darker.
Yeah.
It's like barely even noticeable.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's all right.
Okay.
Good job, Dan.
You can tell.
Now that was really dark when he walked right in front of the camera.
I remember when Dan used to-
How did you do that?
Remember when Dan used to crawl under the camera and stuff and give it-
I used to have production standards and they just-
We broke him.
Throw him away.
I don't want to comb my hair anymore.
Okay.
Merch messages, I guess.
All right.
Cool.
Sure.
Greetings from Quebec.
Since the warranty of my Z Fold 3 is now over, I'm afraid to break it.
What would you suggest as a user to keep it as long as possible?
P.S. when ABCs of gaming in French.
Okay, so what would you suggest to keep as long as possible?
I mean, be careful with it.
As for ABCs of gaming in French, my French, not good enough.
I mean, maybe we could try and hire a translator.
That would be a very difficult thing to translate and maintain the meter.
Oh, yeah, because it rhymes and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's actually pretty rough.
There are songs that have been successfully translated from English to French and vice
versa.
I think that book would be really challenging, having written the English one.
It's almost a whole other book.
Well, it also just contains technical terminology for which the literal direct translation is
just that word.
But like, en français, like with a French accent.
So I, sorry.
AJ, one of our legitimately actually Francophone team members, the legitimately, do we have
anyone else?
Oh, I don't know.
There's multiple.
There's, there's other, um, A prime, other Alex.
I think that's it.
Yeah.
I think it's A prime and demo.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Nevermind.
Um, anyway.
No.
Sorry.
Antoine?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
He must speak French.
So four, I think.
I don't know.
Oh, David speaks French.
Oh, I'm going to see your goatee.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you'd think I would, but no.
Not even a little.
He doesn't even know what I just said.
No, I do.
I do.
I speak French and then my last name.
Okay.
I know that much.
That's actually like brushing on the limit.
I know sort of moose.
Okay.
Cause it's on packages.
Okay.
That's why.
There's no other reason.
Wait.
Like cream soda?
Cream soda.
I thought it was funny when I was a kid.
How often do you even fucking drink cream soda?
I do not remember the last time, but when I was a kid, I thought it was funny.
So I remembered it.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's what you retain.
Yeah.
Okay.
We need to, we need to burn through some of these.
We have like no time.
Yeah.
Luke.
Cream soda.
Uh, hello.
Hello.
Linus and Luke.
I always wondered if you guys got in trouble or if sponsors frowned upon you guys using
memes in your sponsored videos means like 69 or 420.
Every once in a while we had a, we had a video that was sponsored by someone.
I don't remember.
Was it, was it HP?
I don't know.
Anyway, the, the, the, the product was there's the workstation four 20 and we managed to
slip a lot of pot jokes into it, but there was one particular shot where we actually
put like a, a thing in the front grill of it and had it smoking like they had the computer
smoking weed and that did not make it past the sensors.
Oh yeah.
I remember that.
I'm not surprised.
In general though, I think sponsors know what this is.
Like if you don't do your due diligence, watching a couple of videos from a channel
before you throw money at them, that's on you.
I don't feel bad.
Any new house videos coming soon?
I think it's the most engaging content on the channel.
I don't know.
Maybe if my pool ever gets finished, speaking of which, there's been a new development there.
We've issued an ultimatum.
They, they, they've been, they, they told us it was going to be two weeks to completion
three weeks ago.
To reschedule our electrician four times because they keep just not showing up.
And so we basically said, look, this is ridiculous.
You'll be here on Monday and you will be working continuously until the project is done or
we're going public.
It's something I hate doing.
I actually hate doing it.
But this has actually been insane to the point of like, it should be criminal.
No, it is.
Oh, okay.
In my opinion.
Ah, I don't need any libel or whatever.
Yeah.
Um, but, but they have, they have, in my opinion, from my experience, almost certainly broken
multiple laws in the way that they've engaged with us and they deserve, I think, uh, to
never be in business again at this point.
From what I've heard.
I completely agree.
Yeah.
So if, uh, if nothing happens on Monday, I will, uh, I'll see you guys on, I'll see
you guys next Friday and I'll let you know how it's going.
Um, there's another contractor that might be willing to pick up the job, but, uh, from,
from looking at another review of these guys, even apparently it like took six months and
was like pulling teeth to get a small job done.
So I don't know.
I guess we'll see how it goes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey DLL, picking up some merch for Linus voice, my wife.
That's not Linus voice.
That's Borat voice.
But anyway, yes.
You're going to, you're going to do it?
No.
Okay.
Uh, with the growing size of LTT and improving mark bench, what steps you're taking to ensure
GPU reviews are free of errors?
So a couple of things we've added.
So, okay.
So one is, um, as we improve our machine vision capabilities, we are expecting to be able
to monitor not just for anomalies in our results, but also anomalies in the visuals of the game.
Um, that's something that one of our team members actually has some experience with
from testing mobile games at his previous job.
And in the longterm, we would like to be able to evaluate the visual fidelity of features
like DLSS or FSR, um, as part of the way that we present performance data for these
GPUs.
Um, that's going to take a long time for now.
At the very least, we've implemented a, a checking stage where the labs goes through
the data and goes through the finished videos to make sure that the writing team didn't
miss anything.
Not because the writing team is dumb or incompetent, but because it's often just crunch for these
videos and things can get missed.
Um, it's improved things a lot, but there's still room for us to continue to improve.
Hey, LLD, do you guys think any labs content will be at LTX?
Personally, I'd love to see some of the stuff y'all are working on demoed.
For example, keyboard testing.
That's a really good question.
And right now the answer is no, I don't think we have anything planned for LTX.
I mean, most of the labs equipment is pretty planted.
Yeah.
Kind of bolted to the ground.
Um, huh.
Yeah.
I don't really know what to tell you.
It could be interesting.
I know like, uh, uh, packs had some multi-site stuff some years could be interesting one
year to have like, Oh, this would be really hard.
I don't think we could do it actually.
Well, we're offering tours of the lab as part of LTX.
Yeah.
So there's that thing of like, if you, if we had, if you had like another event, which
was like, you could, you could go through some testing at the lab.
Hmm.
We're not close to there.
And that would be very hard.
It might not be feasible.
Yeah.
Uh, no guarantees on that one.
It'd be neat, but it's probably never going to happen.
Hey, LLD.
I often watch videos over discord screen share with friends.
Some sites block screen sharing in this way.
What is your opinion of this practice, both as a consumer and as floatplane executives?
I totally get why people do it.
Um, absolutely.
And also there is absolutely ways around it.
How would you even block that?
I mean, there's ways to, Oh, right.
Block screen capture.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, anyway, um, I mean, I can tell you something shows up on your screen.
There is a way to capture it.
Yeah.
I mean, Oh, this is a tough one, right?
Cause as a consumer, I think it's super cool.
It's one of the features that I actually pitched as something that would be really neat for
floatplane to have like native support for.
Um, but I can tell you now that the creator of whatever that is, is not being compensated
in any way for whatever that is.
So take that for what it is, right?
Um, if you, if you, if you're enjoying this content, then the idea there is that you should
maybe think that the person who created it should be compensated in some way or not.
And that's, that's kind of your call, right?
But that's what's happening and that's why they block it.
Um, I don't think we're putting any effort into blocking it at this point in time, but
we're also not as a small creative team and we're not sort of live or die depending on
whether we get that $100 check this month or whatever else it is.
Right.
We're quite diversified.
Um, yeah, it's tough.
You just, you just got to think about what you're doing and understand the impact and
make your call.
Right.
Yep.
Linus, what's with all the fancier, sillier, wordlier videos lately?
Um, I don't know.
It's just fun.
It's just pure fun.
I like it.
I like silly words.
I like, I like grabbing your attention.
Look, it worked.
Yeah.
I'm going to be in Taiwan for the next two weeks.
Why?
Uh, do you recommend somebody in the tech industry go to computex for fun with their
significant other or is it too formal?
It's industry only.
Um, CES or wait, no, is it CES is, I can, I can never remember it for, I'm pretty sure
both of them.
There is a way that you can buy a pass, but it's like really, really brutal.
Well, the, they say that I think they're in the tech industry already, so if you kind
of like, Oh, they would just go, you're in the tech industry.
They don't have to go on right now, but you're not going to computex but they would go to
computex for.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
This is very strange.
Oh yeah.
No.
What?
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Computex is fun.
It's cool.
It is.
Yeah.
Go for it.
See you there.
Hello Dan and Dan's assistants to the WAN show.
I'm using the LCD screwdriver to perform jet engine maintenance.
Currently.
Where is the most interesting place you have found your merch being used?
I mean, there was that time that a skating Olympian had our water bottle just like casually
on TV.
Oh, sweet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was really cool.
I'm trying to think.
There's got to, there's gotta be some other cool stuff.
Did any of the, did any of the boys at NASA have any of our merch?
Uh, yeah.
Okay.
That's cool.
I didn't actually see it on site, but we weren't like where they were doing that type of stuff
anyways.
Yeah.
Might make sense.
That we've seen a lot of people review the screwdriver that do really cool stuff.
We saw the guy that works on drift cars in Japan.
Yeah.
Uh, we, we've seen a bunch of different people that do a bunch of random stuff that they
need a screwdriver for.
It's been very cool.
Yeah.
It's a good screwdriver.
What can I say?
Yeah.
There's a bunch of potential Linus that are pretty specifically directed to you.
Oh yeah.
There's been some that are directed at you that I've been able to answer for you, but
not all of them.
Okay.
Do you ever do an LTT labs official quality certification for specific products like USB
and HDMI?
Um, it depends.
We'd have to find a way to do it where it doesn't compromise the labs as vision, which
is to be a check and a balance on these certification bodies and these product manufacturing bodies.
Um, I think that, you know, something like the way that 80 plus operates, um, theoretically
is really good, but in practice has, um, I think been less, uh, less effective over
more recent years.
And I think that's where cybernetics has had an opportunity to step in and provide a more
meaningful certification program.
So if we were going to do something, I would just want to make sure that we're only doing
it in an area where we have the time and attention to focus on making sure that we are the be
all and end all of standards for that particular vertical.
And that's a, that's a really challenging thing to do.
It's gonna, it's going to take a long time, uh, so I can archive that now.
Hey Linus, love the show and all the best with your new role.
I was wondering if there were any upcoming videos for channel super fun.
Seems like it's on the back burner at the moment.
The answer is you are right.
It is on the back burner at the moment.
Dennis has transitioned into a new role, so there is not a formal channel manager for
channel super fun right now.
Unfortunately, it's just not been sustainable for us from a financial standpoint.
That's business speak for we were losing money on it again.
I don't know what it is.
I, I, I always really enjoyed doing channel super fun when it was just kind of hanging
out and doing a weird challenge or whatever.
But there's, there's a lot of things that come with being a bigger company that are
not a lot of fun.
Um, channel super fun relied on just kind of spontaneity and uh, people participating
just for the sheer fun of it and not worrying too much about things like, okay, prizes or
something that are really tough.
Like the meta has changed.
People expect there to be like a giant prize for give you a car doing something.
Uh, but we've done things kind of like that in the past, even with small prizes.
So when we did the, um, Mario Kart, a R racing thing on LTT, we offered people winning a
day off or something like that.
I think I forget, I forget exactly what it was and the amount of backlash internally
over not being selected to participate.
So not getting a chance to win that led us to create this whole convoluted program for
channel super fun where the participants were actually competing for a prize, but then
everyone else internally could bet on the outcome and share the prize with the participant
who won.
So that way everyone could participate and that it's just, basically this is why we can't
have nice things because it created a whole bunch of politics and uh, you know, jockeying
for being featured on the channel and complaining about not getting screen time or being in
a role where you're not on screen or whatever else.
And I just like, I can't, I just can't anymore.
Um, that's why a lot of, you know, I'm not going to name any specifics, but that's why
a lot of those types of channels, the prizes, particularly when they're internal for the
staff, it's just all fake.
Like, come on guys, get real, right?
What do you want from me?
Let's keep churning through.
Linus, are you officially switching from the Steam Deck to the ROG Ally, planning a two
terabyte SSD upgrade in the Ally with Sabrent's new two, two 32 terabyte SSD.
I think he's got one there.
Um, indoor hoodie restock when, uh, soon, soon.
I think we've actually got it nailed down and we're, we're, we're ready to go to mass
production, but it's going to take a little bit more time.
Uh, but yeah, I'm, I'm switching over to the Ally.
I was actually on the Ioneo next before the Ally.
And one of the things I liked about it was that it had support for M.2 2280 drives, full
length drives.
Although I think you could cram one in the Ally if you just had a little M.2 extension
thing.
And I'd like to put a bigger drive in it if I could.
Finally caught one of these early, uh, Linus is a fellow fan of CrossCode.
What was your opinion on the post game downloadable content?
Um, and have you seen the in-depth videos of Radical Fish Games' new project?
Uh, I didn't actually play the post game DLC.
I, um, I just, I felt like the story ended in such a good place and I was playing for
the story, not for the dungeons.
I actually found the dungeons a little tedious towards the end, especially that twin dungeon
where you do one side and then you come out, there's no story and character development
whatsoever.
And then you do the other side.
It's like, Oh, what a grind.
Um, like the puzzles were really creative.
It's a really, really well done game, but, uh, I just didn't find anything that appealing
about the DLC.
Um, as for their new game, I haven't seen anything, but I will absolutely play it.
I consider myself a Radical Fish fan.
Hey, Dill, love the show.
My fiance and I have been playing It Takes Two and having a blast.
What is the first game you and Yvonne ever played together?
Any other recommendations?
Uh, I want to say Pocket Tanks.
Oh, that's adorable.
Look at this.
Just go on YouTube and look at us saying goodbye.
Uh, not, not in the way that you think though, but yeah, Pocket Tanks is a super fun, just
ultra casual game.
Lots of, lots of different weapons and stuff.
Uh, I think it's like five bucks or something like that, assuming you can even find anywhere
to buy it anymore.
You can like put up walls and there's all these like cool little like different weapons
and stuff that you can use.
And we, we've got to the point where it got like pretty intense and we got pretty good
at it and stuff like here.
This must've been some kind of like area of effect weapon or something.
Uh, this is pretty slow paced gameplay here, guys.
Anyway, that doesn't really matter.
The point is, yeah, Pocket Tanks, that's the first game we played together, I think.
Would you have taken the leap to start a Linus Media Group if other outlets like LTT, Gamers
next where Nexus, uh, Hardware Unboxed and MKBHD had existed at the time?
I started at LTT because my boss told me to, so I guess so.
The leap to LMG, not just LTT.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, cause other stuff did exist at the time.
There were other channels.
They just didn't happen to be those ones.
Yeah.
Linus, uh, seems like you have had bad luck with contractors for your house.
Oh God.
Thanks for that.
Uh, painters, pool people, how can you find good contractors or trade workers?
It's like interviewing anyone.
You're going to get it right sometimes and you're going to get it wrong sometimes.
And while theoretically, you know, you have the law on your side or whatever and you can
hold people accountable in practice.
This is like, this is, it's the whole trust me bro thing all over again.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm going there.
Um, Luke, deep breaths.
At the end of the day, at the end of the day, a warranty or a law or anything only exists
to the extent to which it's enforceable.
One party has the, has the willingness to honor the agreement and the other party has
the willingness and time and capability to force the other to honor the agreement.
It can be life ruining level expensive to actually try to get a company to follow through
with what they're legally supposed to do.
And I know you're about to say small claims, sure you do it.
Are you going to and full will, and then when you're done and they have that court order
to pay you, okay, then what are you going to pursue them to actually write you the check?
What if they're fraudsters and they've been Ponzi scheming the whole thing and their check's
just going to bounce anyway?
How are you going to follow that up?
It just, yeah, um, it is what it is.
I, we're, you know, we're, we, we hope that we're going to get this resolved in a, in
an amicable way, but I don't, I don't know.
Hi, LLD.
I have a hybrid smartwatch with an ink display behind a set of dials, which has most smartwatch
functionality and one month of battery life.
Linus, would you use such a watch as a pebble successor?
Um, what was great about the pebble was just the simplicity of it.
It just showed me the text when a message arrived and it had hardware buttons.
Uh, that's, that's something that I still miss.
I actually still use a pebble time for media control on my motorbike.
I just have a pebble time just like magneted to my handlebars because when I got gloves
on it's like the only thing I can control, I think there are accessories that function
in much the same way, but like, but I have a pebble time and the app is already on my,
my old phone, which is what I use to listen to music when I'm riding my bike.
So it works perfectly for me and it looks like the last one I have today.
When you start someone as a new host, how do you evaluate whether they're a good fit
to stay in the role?
Do you give them specific training or is it just sink or swim?
Huh?
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. I mean, the audience is going to
give them all the feedback they could ever hope for.
So Hey, thanks guys.
Some of it valid, some of it phenomenally stupid.
Uh, LTT screwdriver been using a bunch lately.
Any updates on metrics, hex metric, hex bits and the stubby version?
Uh, yeah.
Metric hex, uh, doesn't seem to be here yet that I'm as up to date on that as you are.
You can message support though, and hopefully they can get you sorted out.
And I do have another small little update on the store.
Uh, Zach actually announced an LTT color version of the Jerry rig, everything razor knife.
So we don't have it in stock yet, apparently.
Thanks Zach.
Um, but we're going to have it and you guys can check out.
I think it's his most recent video where he announced that.
So that's pretty cool.
Cool.
And I think that's pretty much it for today.
Sorry guys.
It has to be a short show.
We've got to get to the airport.
See you again next week.
Oh, same bad time, different bad location, but same channel, same channel.
I'll still be here.
Bye.
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Bye.