to the wan show, alt tab extravaganza.
We alt tabbed the wan show.
Yeah, exactly.
So the wan show's gone, but don't worry,
you can get it back.
Simply press alt tab again.
No problem.
All good.
So for those of you wondering what the heck is going on,
here, do you want to scooch over this way a little bit?
I'm not used to, I'm not, this is weird.
Yeah, I know it's,
the couch is kind of uncomfortable on that side.
Like it kind of leans you out of the frame and then you,
yeah, this is why we can never quite, okay.
And this one, because this shoulder goes back away
from the camera, to get the spacing right
is actually quite difficult.
So some of you may or may not have picked up on this,
but I am supposed to look like Paul from Newegg TV.
And he's supposed to look like.
Kyle.
Kyle.
Or Paulie D.
Your resemblance to Kyle is over 9,000 times.
Oh, there we go.
Oh my goodness.
Apparently I really do look bald.
Yes, I do.
I can even give you guys a closer look at it.
Sorry, I got my sound on on my laptop here.
Let's turn that off.
So this side's not as good,
but this side is like pretty bald looking.
She only had about 50 minutes with me
or maybe about an hour, an hour and a bit,
an hour and 10 maybe.
So we had a friend of Brandon's come in
and make us up here just because this is,
it's part of our fundraising campaign for our new office.
You can find it over at new office,
actually I should post this,
newoffice.linustechtips.com
where we've got a bunch of other perks.
The more people contribute to the campaign.
So Twitch, no it's not Twitch.
Which does include that mineral computer.
If we hit 50K.
Yeah, if we hit 50,000 raised for the new office,
then we will actually be giving away the mineral oil PC
that we just built to one lucky viewer.
So guys, check that out.
We've got a bunch of other campaign perks,
but as you can see,
we did reach the when show made up as Paul and Kyle one.
We did our best to make him look like Kyle.
And-
I feel like the results ended up,
we talked about this before the show we live,
but the result ended up me being Polly D
to a certain degree.
And you are the principal from community.
I wanna know if everyone else is like that,
but like I think that's basically spitting image.
If you put them in like some really weird costume
and then the like neck up is exactly the same,
looks like principal from community.
The Twitch chat is just spazzing out.
Mine's broken unfortunately.
So yeah, guys,
we've got a lot of great topics for you today,
including, but not limited to,
Parrot's new bebop 1080p drone that looks like Parrot
assertively going back after
that consumer grade drone market that they kind of,
they released a couple of products
and then they'd been kind of stagnant in for a while.
Well, now they're coming back with some gusto.
We've also got Twitch.
You know, these guys like on my t-shirt.
Twitch buys Alliance, Evil Genius and Team Tinker.
So the broadcaster for e-sports.
It's like ESPN owning a football team.
It sort of is.
Well, hold on, we'll get into it later.
We'll get into it later.
What else we got?
Well, we also have Intel, IBM and Qualcomm
speaking out against net neutrality.
We will talk about that later.
Also 103 fans all tested
in the ultimate fan showdown of all time.
It was over not.
Okay, sorry.
It was over 103.
Actually, no, it was very specifically 103.
It was over 102.
They should have called it the 102 plus fan show.
They totally should have.
Over 102 fans tested.
Oh, I love this show.
The entire Twitch chat is just like,
the Twitch chat is just like.
Our sponsors today are Lynda.com.
No matter how bad we look,
we won't look as bad as their mascot.
No, I love their mascot.
Lynda.com is about learning,
not checking out the sexy book reading lady.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Also speaking of checking out the sexy,
we have a sexy new sponsor.
It's iFixit.
And we're gonna tell you what iFixit is
as if you've ever been on the internet
and don't know all about iFixit.
Well, apparently they think you might not
because they're sponsoring our show.
So we can tell you guys all about them.
Which is pretty awesome sauce.
Wow.
Wow, that joke was so bad it hurt my hardware.
Yes, it was completely unscripted and it was fantastic.
I love it.
All right, so let's kick things off
with the 103 fan showdown, shall we?
This was posted by Ah Ming on the forum.
I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen with you guys here.
And Luke, do you wanna take this one away?
Scroll down a bit.
There was 23 companies worth of fans tested
and 103 fans total.
They're all tested.
All the fans tested were 12 centimeters.
And on the screen right now,
you can see the best performers in the different categories.
Obviously, if you follow the source link through
on that forum.
Yep, hardware.info, guys.
Yep, but these are kind of the, oh, okay.
These are like the winning contenders as of right now.
All right, so some of these categories
really aren't that meaningful.
So noise level at 10 centimeters.
It's like obviously some doofus-y 500 RPM fan
is gonna win that because it's the quietest.
I mean, you spin the thing faster
and you get more noise from air movement alone,
let alone just the motor spinning.
And then maximum airflow, same thing.
You spin a thick fan.
I mean, these are, I believe,
they're 35 millimeter thick fans.
Ultra Kaze 3000 RPM fans.
And then you spin it at 3000 RPM.
Like, it's like, I could make the highest RPM fan.
I would just simply attach a jet engine to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, put up a plane, there you go.
But there are some other very meaningful numbers.
So power consumption doesn't really mean that much
in the sense of like, oh, I have to buy
a higher-end power supply
because my fans are not that efficient.
But it does tell you a little bit
about the efficiency of the motor design,
which is definitely a strong indicator of goodness.
And then the other really important ones
are gonna be your airflow on a radiator
at 12 volts and seven volts.
And the winners there, not that we were rooting for them
and not that we had anything to do with this testing,
but that fan that we keep recommending.
Noctua NF-S-12.
The one that we keep saying,
we put this on radiators in our standardized testing.
And when I say radiator,
I don't just mean liquid cooling radiator.
A CPU heat sink is technically a radiator.
Radiates heat.
Heat, it's a radiator.
So Noctua NFF-12 industrials won both.
Airflow at 12 volt and airflow at seven volt.
Now, to be fair, some other pressure optimized fan designs
don't spin at 3000 RPM by default.
And so this doesn't actually necessarily tell us
how the regular NFF-12 stacks up
against other similar stock RPM fans,
but you guys should definitely check out the whole article
because yeah, it's pretty good stuff.
There's so many fans tested, it's interesting,
but reading more on it is a very good idea.
Yeah, I would recommend following through with that one.
So I've been told that due to my makeup,
I may not drink from my water bottle
the way that I normally would.
I have to use a straw.
Oh.
An evil straw.
Why does that make any sense?
Do you have makeup on your upper lip?
Well, I have makeup on my lower lip.
But if you put it on top of your lower lip.
Yeah, I'm not a very good drinker anyway, so.
So she's kinda got you.
Drinking skill deficiency.
I'm sure if someone looked back
at enough WAN Show archives,
they could find me pouring my drink down my shirt.
I'm just not very good at it.
There's so many of them that probably.
Yeah, it's probably happened at some point.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, so this is looking pretty exciting.
Let's move into our next topic here.
The Parrot Bebop Drone.
I'm gonna go, yeah, if you wanna go ahead
and throw that link in there,
let's go ahead and watch the video
because this thing looks BA.
I'm not even super down with watching videos
on WAN Show too often, but this one, yeah.
This is looking pretty good.
So it's got a processor in it
that is eight times more powerful than the AR Drone 2.
It has GPS, so you can actually have it take off
from a given location and then land back there.
This footage that they're taking from the drone
is unbelievable.
Look how high it is. Really good, yeah.
I mean, the old AR Drones had these height limitations
that were just, felt very consumer grade,
like very, very consumer grade.
But this, this is something else.
I mean, this is the kind of footage
that normally you'd have needed.
Like a helicopter.
Yes, yes.
Like that, a helicopter, 100%.
Unbelievable.
What else we got in terms of specs here?
So, okay, there's a few things that are going on.
There's that GPS navigation that you were talking about.
One thing that I noticed when looking through
their documentation on the actual site,
if you, well, we've got the video running,
so we'll talk about it later.
But when you're setting up the GPS navigation,
it looks like you might be able to set
the elevation as well.
Wow.
I'm not necessarily entirely sure,
but as there's different points that they've plotted
on the map and numbers on those points,
I'm assuming that's something to do with elevation.
Yeah, altitude.
You can set altitude, speed, all this kind of stuff.
So you can set the route speed
in between your different dots.
Then you can set the elevation at those dots.
So it will go at a different speed to that location.
Really cool because if you're trying to get
a really specific shot, you could set it out and be like,
oh, I want this one section to be a little bit slower.
I want a little bit higher of an angle
and just set it out again,
which is actually really cool for a little,
kind of more like amateur filmmaker people
that aren't going to get a helicopter.
And look at this control module
that they've got available for the iPad.
Frickin' love this thing so far.
And compatible with first person view glasses,
that looked an awful lot like an Oculus right there.
Yes, it did.
This is looking like some pretty cool stuff.
So it can see 180 degrees, it records at 1080p for video
and can take 4K photos, which is just,
no, we don't, Parrot, we do not use K for photo resolution.
That is not how this works.
But I appreciate the effort, nonetheless.
What else we got here?
Oh yeah, okay, so it supports MIMO AC wireless.
So that's two dual band antennas.
So that can handle 2.4 gigahertz and five gigahertz.
Just like previous AR drones or drones or whatever,
Parrot drones, it generates its own 802.11 network.
So that's how you can use your tablet or phone
to get a first person view of where it's flying.
And this thing looks absolutely fantastic.
One thing that I really liked when I saw this
was actually very specifically that controller.
The GPS plan and all that kind of stuff was kind of cool,
but I think everyone saw that coming.
One really big complaint that I've had
about a lot of Parrot products in the past
is the fact that you're using the touchscreen crap
on your mobile devices.
Because it's just kind of junk.
And trying to control something
with this graphical-based joystick
is usually just really frustrating, to be completely honest.
And then with that new tablet control screen
kind of thing with, it looked like joysticks
on each side of some sort.
Maybe one of them was throttle or something.
But just more granular control with actual real controls.
And then just having more of the networking
and the video and stuff going through the iPad
I think makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, that looks fantastic.
So this was posted by Ah Ming on the forum.
The new Oppo R5 is so slim
that it can't even have a headphone jack.
So that is it next to what appears to be an iPhone 6
or an iPhone 6 Plus or something along those lines.
So it is basically the exact width of a micro-USB port.
No more, no less.
It's 450 bucks unlocked.
So you will need to plug your headphones in
via the micro-USB port on the bottom
using the adapter that comes in the box.
Or Bluetooth.
Okay, yes, Bluetooth would also work.
Now we've talked about micro-USB
and how, sure, it's a perfectly good connector
rated at however many insertions.
But the problem is that if you rated
at X number of insertions in a lab versus-
That doesn't have anything to do
with how people are actually gonna treat it.
You shove it in your pocket, it's gonna torque.
You plug it in and then throw it on your bed
and it's gonna bounce on the cable,
torquing it and then dropping the phone on.
I don't know that many people that actually treat
their phone as well as they probably should,
including myself.
So there's more problems than that.
And now you want, every time I plug my headphones
in and out, you want me to plug it into the micro-USB.
I mean, $450 brick is more like it
because this thing is not gonna be useful for anything.
And like we constantly say on the show,
like iPhone, why did you make it slimmer?
It didn't need to be slimmer.
We would have rather there wasn't a bump on the camera
and it had a bigger battery.
They're like, oh yeah, let's just release one
that's just as slim as the plug.
That's awesome, everyone wants a slimmer phone.
And like, well, meanwhile, all consumers are like,
please don't make a thinner phone.
They're like, oh no, we got this.
One of the things I like so much about the Droid Turbo
is the fact that it fits in my hand.
Yes.
My hand is not this shape.
Comfortable weight is a thing.
This is not a shape for a hand.
I mean, the hand in the picture is a shape for a hand.
The phone is not a shape for a hand.
Hopefully that came across correctly.
If not, I fixed it.
Now I had actually reached out to Paul and Kyle
about potentially Skyping in.
I have no idea if they're like around right now or what,
but we can see if they're around.
All right.
So let's go ahead and move on to our next topic here.
So, oh, no, that's not it.
Well, that's.
We're skipping over specs for the phone because it's dumb.
Yeah, we actually don't care.
Were people asking about that?
I don't know.
I just, I had the specs up and I was like, ugh.
AMD released their Omega drivers.
I'm gonna go ahead and pull this up.
You wanna post the link?
So what are Omega drivers you might ask?
Well, a number of years ago, I might've told you
that the Omega drivers were a set of alternate drivers
available for both AMD and Nvidia
that had a few extra options enabled in them
and some customization
and sometimes some performance tweaks.
Well, no, AMD, no, we do Omega drivers now.
The Omega driver is the first of a new concept of drivers
from AMD that according to my conversation with them
basically amounts to thorough testing of the driver,
like really thorough testing of the driver,
both internally at AMD and externally
with a dedicated feedback system
where people could let them know about any bugs
and fixing bugs as quickly as they could,
as well as a slew of new features.
So you can download them,
assuming you have an AMD graphics card or an APU.
Well, you could still download them.
You could still download them.
They would just not be very useful.
Yeah, they would not be very useful.
But if you have the hardware that it goes with them.
Then it's very useful.
Then it can be very useful.
So you get support for virtual super resolution,
which is similar to...
And it also stuff like down sampling.
You can render at a higher res and then down sample.
That's essentially what it is.
So it's basically super sampling,
super sample anti-aliasing,
which is basically the same thing
as Nvidia's dynamic super resolution.
I don't know much about AMD's implementation yet.
I know that Nvidia is applying a smoothing filter
to the finished image.
What I can tell you guys though,
is that you can't...
It's DSR and VSR.
Like AMD and Nvidia,
can you either just call it the same thing?
Yeah, which would be fine.
I don't think anyone would really have a problem with that.
Or just don't.
Can you just...
Please.
So virtual super resolution only goes up to,
I believe it's 34 something by something something anyway.
Nvidia is able to up sample or down sample from 4K.
And AMD can't quite do that on the current hardware.
Cause I don't think this is something they had in mind.
It's something that they've added based on customer demand
and based on the performance that's available
on the scaling hardware on their processors.
So it also adds 5K monitor support.
And I've heard from Dell.
Apparently we're gonna be getting a sample of their 5K
display.
Nice.
Oh, that's awesome.
I'm excited now.
Cause I wanna see what you think about that
versus the iMac.
Yeah, so we can try that out.
My iMac thoughts might be...
Oh no, we're gonna be doing the hardware upgrade
probably sometime next week.
And then I've already gotten most of my thoughts
compiled for my iSwitched.
So that'll probably come the following week
or something along those lines.
It's got support for Alienware's graphics amplifier
doodad thing that plugs into the back
of one of their notebooks.
So you can use an external graphics, whatever.
It adds some video picture enhancements.
Perfect picture additions.
1080p detail enhancement now for APUs.
I don't know too many people who use those things.
I've never met anyone who's used any of those things.
Someone probably does somewhere.
Let us know.
Twitch chat, we wanna hear from you.
Do you use...
We should do a straw poll.
Yeah, do a straw.
Let's hit it with a straw poll.
Do you guys use the video playback enhancements
in your graphics card driver?
Wanna hear from you.
Whoa.
So there's been some...
What?
Oh, you spelled it wrong.
Oh, it's P-O-L-E?
You're good, right there.
All right.
What's that?
I spelled it wrong.
So frame pacing enhancements for AMD dual graphics.
So that's where you run a low-end graphics card
and an APU in Crossfire,
which basically nobody should do
because even with frame pacing improvements,
the cost to performance compared
to just buying a better graphics card...
You know, the number of people who put...
Like, I'm gonna go even worse
than this episode of South Park
that just ended the other day.
And I'm gonna reuse South Park's joke
that they reused mercilessly.
I'm gonna say the number of people who post comments
on my low-end video cards rant,
it's just, it's ignorant.
It's ignorant.
It's ignorant.
Because people are like,
oh, Linus, you didn't think
that maybe people only have this much to spend.
Actually, I did.
What I said...
Wasn't that a huge point in the whole video?
Yes, it was.
What I said is $80 to spend
is not the right amount to spend.
You either spend another 20 bucks or you spend less.
It's just fine to have a lower budget.
I think I may have even brought up,
or maybe it was just a comment I posted
and replied to the video,
that buying used hardware is an option.
And then people are like, well, what about offices?
They're not gonna buy a bunch of used hardware.
Well, they're not gaming anyway.
So they should be buying not an $80 card.
They should be buying a $40 or $35 graphics card.
Basically, whatever you can get that has output on it.
Yes.
Because they're probably just doing that for more monitors.
All right, what else we got?
Mantle API activated for ultimate performance
in Sid Meier's Civilization Beyond Earth,
and Assassin's Creed Unity, Dragon Age Inquisition,
and Far Cry 4 performance enhancement.
So aside from VSR, um...
Oh, yeah, that was the right one.
That is a...
It took me a second, I was like, wait.
That's a pretty big improvement.
Super sampling is a big deal.
Other than that, it looks like, I mean, we've used it.
We used it.
I don't have any complaints.
It was featured in the crew video.
Yep, and it was...
I didn't notice like a ton of,
like I didn't install it and then this hair happened.
But I didn't, there was no crashes or anything.
So like, I have no complaints about it.
Which is good.
Which is all there should really...
That's what you want from a driver.
You don't wanna complain.
It should not get in your way.
Yeah, I don't want it to bug me.
It didn't.
It didn't crash.
That's perfect.
That's fine.
Yeah, no complaints.
I don't have like extensive testing with it yet.
But wow, a lot more people use it than I thought.
So were we just completely wrong and we suck?
I don't know.
Oh, no, that's really not that many.
Okay, here we go, here we go, guys.
20% is still way more than I thought.
Okay, you're right.
20% is a lot more than I thought too.
I expected like two or maybe zero.
Just that's like hanging in the frame here.
It's cause normally I'm over there.
Yeah, and you're a lot further from the camera.
This makes me look really small.
It does.
I have to like...
You are sitting forward and I'm sitting...
See, if I sit like you, then it's like...
All right then.
Hello.
All right, so let's go ahead and move on
to our next topic then, shall we?
Yes.
I don't think I ever...
Now the yes vote is like flying upwards.
So I don't really know if I trust this thing.
Yeah, you guys might just be...
Cause I don't really think 25% of people
are using the picture improvements from AMD.
Yeah, especially given that they just added them
for some stuff.
So unless you've already grabbed the Omega driver.
And then specifically was like, look at these pictures.
I don't know.
I don't believe you guys.
It's already up to 26% now.
Speaking of look at the pictures,
Metal Gear Solid 5 has the first gameplay footage shown.
So we can go ahead and...
This was posted by Olek King on the forum.
There is some good news.
So the first thing that I personally noticed about this
is look at those settings options.
Whatever these things are...
We can adjust them lots.
Those things on the side,
they have a lot of granularity to them.
Yes.
All right.
You know, there's off, low, medium, high, extra high.
I'm liking this.
I'm okay with that, yeah.
And then apparently you can run it at 3325 by 1871
if you want.
Because sure.
Because sure.
That should start being like patch notes
for certain games.
Why did you guys patch it this way?
Because sure, I don't know, whatever.
There is a 60 FPS lock.
At least it's not a 30 FPS lock.
That's the only positive thing you can say.
Yeah, no, seriously.
But there's certain games where it's like 30 FPS lock
cannot be edited through a text file.
Great game physics.
Yes, yeah.
You go double speed if you unlock it
or whatever crappy I did with Need for Speed.
But at least it's 60, not 30.
It's still stupid.
Really stupid.
But at least it's 60, not 30.
I can't stop staring at myself
in the preview window over here.
I look so weird.
Seriously, have you ever watched Community?
No.
You really look like the Dean.
Oh.
Okay, give me a sec.
All right, I'll head over to our next topic here.
So Metal Gear Solid 5 Ground Zeroes
will be available starting the 18th of December, 2015.
That is kind of striking.
Yeah, like he just doesn't have a goatee in this one.
Right, so if I just had no goatee
and I was a little paler,
then I'd be pulling this off pretty well.
Speaking of games and release dates,
The Witcher 3 is delayed again.
This was posted by Jonners on the forum
and this is not the first time it's been pushed back.
Now, you know what's really funny about this
is CD Projekt Red came out
and kind of in a move that mocked,
I have to assume this was targeted
directly at Ubisoft and EA,
and in a move that mocked those other two companies
basically said, yeah, we're gonna include
all of our launch day DLC in the game for free.
I have to, and you know how EA,
and I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for a second.
You know how EA and Ubisoft always say,
well, you know, yeah, launch day DLC,
blah, blah, blah, it takes more time, et cetera, et cetera.
Hold on, hold on, I'm going somewhere with this.
CD Projekt Red committed to include a bunch of stuff
that the other guys don't include till after, potentially,
and now their game is delayed.
Oh, oh, did they bite off more than they could chew
to troll EA Ubisoft?
You just said they commit to release it after.
They're releasing theirs now.
Well, yeah, but they, no, no, but the game's not out.
So they're not releasing anything.
I'm just saying.
It's completely irrelevant, it doesn't even matter.
I'm just saying, if the extra-
They're two completely different situations.
If EA or Ubisoft were releasing them
at the release of the game, then it makes more sense.
Because Witcher, like, CD Projekt Red has released stuff
after games were released and still done it free.
That's why it doesn't matter.
I was just having some fun, dude, no fun.
I have to slam down-
I don't want to host a show with you anymore, Kyle.
I've never fired Kyle before.
This is why I quit New Egg Paul.
This is why.
Oh, too fun.
Anyways.
I wish those guys would reply to me
so that I could hear from them.
I actually really wanted them to come in
because I want to see what their comments are
on our costumes.
All right, so let's, okay, oh, right.
Were we going to say anything else about that?
So, yeah, they're just saying,
yeah, we knew it would be an ambitious game.
We wanted and still aim to give an incredible experience,
an epic adventure in a vast open world.
When we released the most important game
in our studio's history, we must be absolutely sure
we did everything we could.
I was trolling them a little bit before.
They're doing this for all the right reasons.
They're doing all the right things.
Delaying the product to get it right is worth it.
Just like we delayed Mineral Oil Part 4 last night
by about three and a half hours,
even though it cost poor Nick any sleep last night.
And a resemblance of sleep he could have gotten.
So if you guys haven't watched it already,
come on, you guys.
I mean, come on.
I watched it.
I love going back and watching certain videos
like Mineral Oil because even though I was in it,
I'm like, oh, this is cool.
That was fun.
And you know what?
The way that those guys edit it together
makes it a completely different experience again.
It's pretty cool.
I liked it.
And we got a comment from Puget Systems on that video
saying that our question and answer section
was really good and we obviously know
what we're talking about.
So like, when I read that, I was like, yeah.
That's exactly what I wanted to hear that from.
Yeah.
Those guys know their stuff.
That's awesome.
So yeah, guys, everyone throw that in a tab
and watch it after the show.
Yes.
When the show is done,
actually don't throw it in a tab.
Throw it in another browser window
so that when the show is done,
you can alt tab.
Oh, we just wrecked the mic.
Sorry, guys.
Oh, no.
All right, so what's our next topic?
We've got Twitch buys esports teams.
Ooh, okay.
So this was posted by official JSP on the forum.
Original article here is from goodgame.gg.
You wanna go ahead and post this in the chat?
Yes, my bad.
All right, let's open up this link.
All right.
It's so weird being on this side of the couch.
I don't know how to do things
because I'm used to cranking my right arm down
so that you can fit easily
and then doing everything with my left hand.
Now it's the other way around
and I'm like, I don't know how to do this.
All right, so this is an open letter
from about basically, why?
Why sold to Twitch and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know, the issue to me is not necessarily,
so okay, right, so teams Alliance, Evil Genius
and Team Tinker were acquired by Twitch
who's now owned by Amazon.
And the issue here to me is not what a lot of people
will care about, which I guess would be
the perceived selling out of the teams.
The issue here to me is why does Twitch
need to own esports teams?
Yeah, okay, and then there's the broadcaster argument
which I saw a lot of people bringing up,
which is like the ESPN owning a football team
would actually be a big issue.
One thing that isn't the same there
is that you're independently broadcasting
using Twitch's system instead of ESPN
where they're controlling what goes on the channel.
Twitch is controlling what goes on the channel.
What?
Okay, go ahead.
Twitch is controlling what goes on the channel
but in a like content moderation aspect,
not a like, you don't get to stream
because you're a competing team.
Okay, talk, go Dean.
They have a lot of control over exposure on their platform.
I mean, okay, let's go back to YouTube.
You could make the argument that a lot of,
especially early YouTubers, back when it was pretty easy
to go YouTube.com front page,
like every time I got featured on the front page,
which has been years by the way, it's been a long time
and I was a lot smaller then, every time that I front paged,
I got a massive boost to my subscribers and views.
And so you could make the argument
that a lot of the bigger YouTubes,
especially in the early, YouTubes, YouTubers.
The YouTubes, we post our videos on the YouTubes.
The YouTubes have taken all the views from the TV.
You don't have a job, you just do the YouTubes.
So a lot of the early YouTubers,
you could make the argument that they got as big as they got
because of the exposure from the platform
and Twitch has a lot of control over exposure
to a given streamer or a given program.
I mean, early on when we first started streaming on Twitch,
we got a lot of features through Twitch's email newsletter
and through the front page
that we otherwise would not have had
if we weren't kind of in their good books.
Now Twitch is in this position where their main product,
that is to say gamers who stream games
is wholly owned by them.
And I get why that's good from a business standpoint.
So Amazon has this fantastic infrastructure.
So you own your infrastructure
and then Twitch has this fantastic platform,
like a social media platform.
And so you own your platform
and then you own the content itself
that you're supposed to be promoting.
I mean, this is starting to look like a little bit evil.
I mean, obviously it's up to Twitch to prove to us
that they're gonna be responsible.
And pay a lot of attention.
Look at what's on the front page.
If that guy organically got there, that's fine,
but pay attention to his growth.
If he starts streaming
and he has like a couple of hundred people watching him
and then all of a sudden it goes front page,
then a whole bunch of people swim in all at the same time,
it's not like he gets actually more
than the people in the front page
and then gets moved to the front page,
then that's a little fishy.
So, I mean, the good news is that the players
are all getting taken care of,
at least to the extent that it seems like e-sports players
can get taken care of.
It seems like you kind of turn 22 and then you're trash
and you might as well, you can either become a coach
or you go get a real job.
It's slightly less of a thing.
Slightly less of an issue.
But it's still definitely a thing.
But it's still an issue.
Yep, yep.
We're starting to see older people in the scene,
but a lot of times they're more like figurehead-y, I guess.
Like, White Raw is awesome,
but when was the last time you saw White Raw
like win a tournament?
I say that, but I'm not sure,
because I don't watch like at all.
No, I don't think he's really active anymore.
Although, I'm sure.
He's active, he plays.
Yeah, okay, right, okay.
So like.
I shouldn't have said active.
Active wasn't necessarily the right.
I should have said doing things.
Oh.
You know what's funny is we have, okay.
I love White Raw.
Tell you what, remind me to do this.
I have like a White Raw headset downstairs.
That's cool.
I'll wear my White Raw headset
on the next WAN show or something.
There we go.
Wake up for being a jackass.
Sorry, dude.
So, and he's a lot bigger than me, so.
Yeah.
So anyway, every player currently contracted
with Good Game is going to get a small portion
of the company's sale.
I'm assuming that's gonna be a pretty small portion.
Additional benefits for the players
since they're becoming an Amazon subsidiary.
Yeah, interesting.
Yeah, I guess there's not too much else to say about it.
I do have a lot of concerns.
The thing about Twitch is now that they're owned by Amazon,
like let's not kid ourselves.
Twitch is already making bank pre-Amazon acquisition.
They are doing, like there's a reason
they had Amazon's attention
and they sold for as much money as they did.
Twitch now with Amazon's resources could be in a position
to buy every esports team.
Yep.
Honestly, a lot of esports teams,
like raw just esports teams don't even necessarily
make a ton of money.
That's one thing that I think some people
don't really realize.
They'll win a tournament and then people are like,
oh my god, they're so baller.
They won a tournament. They won a $250,000 prize.
It's like.
When there's like five people that were at that tournament,
probably more players on the team, administrators, coaches,
all this kind of stuff,
the chance that they won that tournament
is actually relatively low. The team house
that they live in.
The team house that they live in.
And yes, they get money from sponsorships
and it's not a trivial amount of money either,
but the point is that most, it's kind of like,
you know what?
It's kind of like.
There's some teams that will make tons of money
and be super successful.
Yes.
But there's a large amount of teams
that aren't making a great amount of money.
And it's like pro athletes where we go,
professional hockey players make too much money.
But the truth of the matter is the NHL
or for other parts of the world, I don't know,
Moto or KHL or whatever else.
Those leagues are the elite leagues where it's like,
it's a snowball's chance in hell to even get there.
There's lots of still professional sports
where people are getting paid to play on the team
that are not the NHL,
where there is not a lot of money involved
and a lot of heartache and work that goes on
to be involved in them just for a shot at the NHL.
So you hear about these big prize pools,
but that doesn't mean every esports player is a baller.
But.
And now they picked up like EG and stuff,
which is, that's kind of a big deal.
Yeah, not insignificant.
But what we're talking about is like the potential
to scoop up everything else.
Yes.
And the fact that not every esports player
or streamer for that matter,
just gamers that basically are worth advertising revenue.
Why don't I say it that way?
Gamers people wanna watch
are not necessarily all making bank,
but they are all a very valuable commodity.
And for Twitch to be sort of jumping in
and bringing these people in as employees now
in still what is very, very early stages for esports
is an incredibly shrewd strategy for them,
but one that I have very mixed feelings about
because I just,
you look at the kind of promotion
that someone like Twitch can do
around a major esports event.
How much more promotion do we get
when it's their team in the final?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Just naturally out of enthusiasm for their growth.
Even if there's no like evil sense there at all,
even if they're just like,
oh man, like we actually just like you dudes, let's do this.
How much more promotion would like, you know,
your brother doing something to do with tech news?
I think I've proven that.
Whenever my brother streams I'm like,
but everybody go watch.
Yeah, I don't know.
And that's not evil.
That's just humans having relationships with each other
and wanting each other to succeed
and like this is all warm and fuzzy.
And quitting Newegg together.
It just, quitting Newegg together at the same time.
This is just one of those things
where I feel like by acquiring these teams
in the first place, they've put themselves in a position
where it's almost a foregone conclusion
that they're gonna get special treatment
in terms of coverage.
Yeah.
So there you go.
I mean, it's not like it diminishes my love for Twitch.
I found out about this before.
I'm still wearing their shirt,
mostly because it's American Apparel
and that's extremely comfortable.
It's really comfortable, yeah.
We're more or less trying to do the thing
that Firefox did a long time ago,
which is put stuff out there so that people pay attention.
Just hold Twitch accountable and be ready and pay attention
and as stuff starts happening, start talking about it.
Speaking of Firefox, where's that, dang it,
where is that topic?
Yahoo?
Yeah.
Yahoo.
Why can I not find this?
I didn't even see it in the doc.
Is it not in here?
I don't think so.
I thought it was.
Maybe I just posted a link.
Well, whatever, I'll just have to do this from a brain.
I really thought this was in here.
Okay, well, whatever.
Do you wanna find some link to it?
Okay, so Mozilla's deal was a three-year deal in 2011
with Google to have Google be the default search
in the Firefox browser.
So that's at the Firefox homepage.
That search was a Google search
and then in the top right of the Firefox browser,
that was by default a Google search, has ended.
I think something like, what was it?
Some horrifying number, like 85% of their revenue
came from that deal with Google.
And they have not managed to reach an agreement
where they can continue that partnership.
So it looks like starting in 2014,
Mozilla has inked a new deal, this time with Yahoo
to have Yahoo be the star search engine for Firefox.
I found an article about this on Yahoo,
but it's terrible, so I have to go find another one.
Whoa, I spilled that wrong.
Blog.Mozilla.com is probably gonna be the way to go.
All right, so yeah, we'll go ahead, we'll post that.
We'll post that in the Twitch chat there.
You guys can check that out, but...
It hasn't been as bad as I would have expected
at the beginning.
Yahoo search?
Well, it's powered by Bing.
Yeah, and Bing is just stealing
their search results from Google.
So realistically, it's going all the way around.
Well, they can't steal everything, so.
Yeah.
So basically, I guess it's not a huge deal, you guys.
You don't have to use Yahoo search.
What's cool is that Yahoo is not requiring Mozilla
to track their users in any way.
So anyone who's already opted out within the browser,
all that stuff is still fine.
It looks like not a whole lot is gonna change, but...
For the people that are inevitably gonna freak out and go,
what are you talking about,
Bing's stealing results from Google,
I just posted that in the Twitch chat.
That's a Google blog post of that being a thing.
Yeah, so basically, all you have to do
is you can still change the default search provider,
just like you can do in Internet Explorer.
It'll just be the default,
and I'd probably recommend changing it.
Yeah.
Because Bing is just not very good, unfortunately.
It wasn't like, I found that for very basic search terms,
for things that I was looking up
that was expected, probably, to be searched, it was fine.
Whenever I would search something
that was much more specific, it had more problems.
If I'd search up, oh, this is a news article
that one of my friends told me about
that I have no idea what he's trying to say,
it would find that because it's a recent,
common news article.
But if I was like, I'm having this really weird issue
with this benchmarking machine,
it would be like, what?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Want a bagel?
I'd be like, no.
What is, what, what?
Actually, yes.
Well.
But I also want a useful search result.
Delicious nutrition is a good thing,
but I need to figure out what I'm trying to find.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Speaking of delicious nutrition,
we've got delicious nutrition for your brain.
Ah ha ha.
There we go.
I didn't plan that.
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Those are my tri-wing screwdrivers.
This was actually the reason I bought the toolkit,
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where's the Mac tool?
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I know, but we didn't have.
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And we actually, we featured one of their things
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That magnetic mat.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a dry erase thing.
It's like 20 bucks.
And it keeps all the screws.
You can write on it and label them
and keeps all the screws where they're supposed to be,
which is one of the most infuriating things
about any DIY repair project.
I think it would be cool if it was like way more intense
and kind of like the plates that we have.
So you could put it up on things.
But it's $20 and it's definitely completing its own job.
Just right when I saw it, I was like ooh,
I kind of want to put that on the wall.
Yeah, I want the $35 one that's even better.
There isn't a $35 one.
But if anyone from iFixit is watching,
which they probably should be,
we'd love to see one that's magnetic on the back as well.
And you can stick it to your fridge and it's so strong.
But then still grid it out.
Like bolts from your potato cutter on it.
I actually got a bolt in a poutine once.
Whoa.
Yeah.
That's like super not good.
Yeah, no, it was like a bolt with grease on it.
Oh my God.
Yeah, no, it was pretty revolting.
Well, okay, the good news is that the reason
there was a bolt in the poutine
was that they cut their own fries at this place.
Like fresh cut fries from a fry cutting machine
that apparently lost a bolt.
Dropped a bolt in my food.
Oh geez.
I had something to say about it.
Oh right, with that big thing,
like it could even have ridges in the metal
so that they don't go in between.
Oh, that would be awesome.
Yeah, so if it's a big thing you can mount on the wall
and then it has its own squares just like that one.
Yeah.
It could even have like little tiny whiteboard spaces
at the top of each one of the squares.
You can still label what that area is for.
And then just, yeah, ridges so they don't go in between it.
We're full of good ideas.
That would be, oh man.
And terrible ideas.
Like dressing up as Paul and Kyle in the windshield.
My blip is so itchy.
I'm sure it is.
My whole head is, how is yours?
Mine?
Yeah.
It's kind of weird.
You know what I'll do?
After party I'll take it off.
Okay.
Yeah, and I'll show you guys how it's attached to my head.
Yeah.
Yeah, for those of you wondering,
I did not shave my head bald.
This is a bald cap.
Yeah.
And I think she did a pretty bang up job.
This smudge right here actually was an accident
right before the show started.
She came in and was like, oh, let me just touch up.
Cause she was like reaching.
She was leaning over, yeah, yeah.
She had to lean over me and like part of the couch
just to try to get to that.
And then, yeah, it was unfortunate.
Pretty funny.
Speaking of things that aren't funny,
the pirate bay was raided this week by Swedish,
I almost said spinach police.
Stop in the name of iron.
Eat healthier food.
You're eating too much junk food with your pirated movies.
So basically they've been,
they were down for a couple days now.
Yeah, I think they've been down two or three days now.
Let's go ahead and so this is a news article
from torrent freak over here.
So for the first time in months,
just completely disappeared offline.
It's uncertain what exactly the future of the site will be.
One of the former founders of the pirate bay.
Isn't it somewhere else now or something?
Basically said, yeah, he basically said,
I hope it stays down.
It's, I don't really like the direction that it's gone in.
You know, there's a lot of pretty, pretty,
the pirate bay has gotten pretty aggressive
about the pornographic ads over the last little bit
to the point where it's like, I feel, you know,
like it would be just awkward to have that site open
in any social context.
Like there's some pretty graphic, graphic stuff on there.
The ISO hunt guys, speaking of,
I didn't earlier in the show,
didn't we talk about how ISO hunt, is it back?
Yeah, it's CR.
Oh, it's back already.
Wow, that was quick.
Which I searched for, test.
I know that the ISO hunt guys had it back up at,
like this is all very much an evolving story right now,
but they had it back up at oldpiratebay.org.
Pop-up ads and crap all over the place.
Oh yeah, the pirate bay is brutal.
I think this is legitimately the pirate bay.
It looks like it.
They even have a checkbox for porn.
Well, of course they do.
It's a torrent site.
I don't know, I don't.
What are people downloading on torrent sites?
I don't know, games and movies?
That's what I thought.
Well, that's technically a movie.
And technically games too, I think.
Oh.
Yeah, see, games and movies.
It's just a category of games and movies.
Mind you, they don't have a check mark for comedy.
So, Adam Sandler, you're just not getting,
you're not getting pirated the way you used to.
Unless you get naked.
I was just gonna say that.
Adam, nobody wants to see that.
No, it's, just leave it alone.
All right, so IB, oh, this is, this is,
this was posted by Silva Drachi on the forum.
And the original article here is from Engadget.
Intel IBM and Qualcomm say net neutrality,
something, something headline.
Net neutrality will cause tech companies
like them to suffer.
I'm posting on the thing.
If that's Nick spamming Linus, he's not gonna read it.
Hit me, or he's gonna read it now, I guess.
Oh, apparently I can't take the bald wig off myself.
I need help to take it off.
Oh, all right.
Well, is she still here?
I don't know, apparently.
Guess I'm paying for that.
Well, unless you want to have a bald head
for the rest of ever.
Well, there would be cheaper ways to do that.
So, yeah, yeah.
Oh, hold on a second.
Apparently there are fake pirate based sites.
Yeah, that was, that was bound to happen.
I do know that some of the re-hosted things are true.
Some of them are not.
I have no idea.
I don't want to speculate on which ones are real
and which ones are not.
But let's talk about our friends over at Intel,
Qualcomm, and IBM.
So the argument being made here,
apparently piratebay.cr is malware infected.
So don't go there.
If you get screwed over.
Trying to pirate stuff?
I don't care.
You kind of...
I'm sorry.
You kind of had it coming, I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Just reformat or do whatever.
That's what you're kind of paying for.
Okay.
Okay, we'll come back to the net neutrality thing.
Tell me something.
How would you feel about us doing a safe pirating episode?
Because it's not something that we support,
but we do support safe internet practices
and the proliferation of viruses is bad for everyone.
Pirates and non-pirates.
Because there are a lot of things you can do
to make piracy a lot safer.
Safe pirating episode or safe torrenting episode?
How about safe torrenting?
Torrenting is not pirating.
Right, but most of the torrents...
I'm totally down for torrents.
But most of the torrents that are going to be
infected with malware are going to be the sketch ones.
Yeah.
Because why would you torrent something that is infected?
Because the point of infecting something
is you want lots of people grabbing it,
so you're not going to...
A potential problem with legit torrents, though,
is that they could be infected
because you could post one that looks like the legit one
and it's not.
That was a huge thing back with LimeWire and all that crap.
Like, even if you happened to download something legitimate
off LimeWire that wasn't pirated, it wasn't bulk wrap,
it was very easy for someone to post something
under that name that wasn't that and it was malicious.
Right, but if you were going to post a malicious thing...
I totally get your point, I'm just trying to add my...
So my point is you would go for something
that's much more likely to be downloaded,
which, let's face it, anyone making the argument
that a site like ISO Hunt or Pirate Bay
is being used anything but predominantly
for illicit content.
I shouldn't say illicit because in a lot of places,
including Canada, downloading a lot of that stuff
isn't illegal, but let's say...
It would be an interesting idea because a lot of...
Let's say sketchy content.
Yeah, yeah, it would be an interesting idea
because a lot of the issues you can have,
like if someone was able to get
some of your personal identification from your computer,
you don't deserve that.
Yeah, no one deserves identity theft,
like nobody deserves identity theft,
and we'll get into the whole Sony thing a little bit later,
speaking of theft of personal information.
Oh, God, there's so much crap happening with that.
But like...
I know, that's a mess, isn't it?
So I see it from that standpoint.
I still don't necessarily think we should touch it.
Right.
But I do agree with what certain viruses can do to you,
like file dumps and picture dumps and...
And ransom attacks.
Ransom attacks, crap like that.
You don't deserve that.
That's so good.
All right, so Intel, IBM, and Qualcomm say
net neutrality will cause tech companies to suffer.
So in an open letter to both Congress and the FCC,
a group of 60 companies that includes Qualcomm
and Cisco argue that proper regulation of the internet
will risk the end of national investment
in telecommunications infrastructure.
I mean, we've already had AT&T coming out and saying,
hey, you know, we don't wanna...
Although they've backtracked on that.
So get other companies to do it.
Hold on, let's get through the thing before we do this.
No, I'm just mad.
Just hold on, okay?
Now hurry up.
Okay.
I wanna be mad.
All right, you can be mad.
Just be mad quietly.
Okay.
See, now I don't even remember what I was saying.
It's right, so AT&T already came out and said,
look, until we know how this new investment
that we're making into fiber in 100 cities
is going to be regulated,
we're not gonna make the investment.
We're gonna put this all on hold.
So as far as companies like Intel and IBM are concerned,
reclassifying broadband as a utility
will prompt the networks
to halt their building plans altogether.
So they're basically saying, yeah, we buy AT&T's story
that they're gonna stop building infrastructure
because they can't monetize it to their satisfaction.
Okay, let's keep going.
So were that to happen,
it's claimed that US investment in broadband
could fall by as much as 45 billion in the next five years.
And with that sort of money no longer in the system,
the tech businesses will begin to suffer
because if ISPs aren't investing in new equipment,
then Intel's not able to get that revenue
and employ people to invest in new development
for new equipment and you know what?
The US isn't the only place on earth
and we're still gonna need decent broadband equipment
for other markets around the world
as they continue to outstrip the US's
third world class internet,
which is what it's gonna be by the time,
you know, another, however long,
how long is it AT&T thinks their plan
to roll out fiber to 100 cities?
I think they're saying what, five years?
I think it's something like that.
Something like five years,
by the time that even happens.
So if they go ahead and don't do that
and do nothing for five years,
it's gonna be a joke.
And you know what?
Things like municipal internet,
we had a topic on that.
There was a small town in Texas, I believe, wasn't it?
I really hope it was Texas.
Whatever, in the States somewhere.
Can't remember.
Small town just basically went,
yeah, we're gonna build our own fiber infrastructure.
Blackjack.
I think they had already paid
for the fiber infrastructure to be there.
It's just like an emergency system, kind of.
Then they're like, why don't we just use this?
Maybe make it a little bit stronger.
I don't really know that part,
but I'm assuming, yada, yada, yada.
And that makes a ton of sense.
And I'm totally down with that.
And I just, things like municipal groups stepping up,
like that one, stuff like Google Fiber stepping in,
like screw you.
And that is what is actually gonna happen.
Because you know what, guys?
You know how this works?
Is the customer is right.
And the customer for a municipality-
Always, but this time.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Well, okay, the customer ultimately dictates
the direction things are gonna go.
And if municipalities that invest
in proper internet infrastructure
and making sure that their customers,
their taxpayers are their customers,
you don't have to live anywhere, you can move.
That is how you act like a customer
to your municipality, to your city,
to your province or state, to your country.
You leave if you're not happy
and you flock to the places
that are doing the things that make you happy.
And if cities start to notice, holy crap,
other cities that are making sure
that their residents have these Wi-Fi hotspots
available all over the city
and they have affordable broadband internet,
oh, they're getting people moving to them.
Maybe we should do this and get people to move.
You know what's gonna happen?
AT&T and Intel and IBM and Qualcomm and all you guys,
you know what's gonna happen?
Is somebody will invest in it and you will be left behind.
It's happened over and over and over again.
I mean, how well did it work out
for ice mining companies
if they didn't invest in R&D into refrigeration?
Did they just, oh, well, we're not gonna invest
in new ways to store ice underground and in caves
and deliver it to people for their ice chests
until legislation tells us
how these refrigeration units are gonna, come on.
You get with the times or you don't.
And quite frankly, I'm sick of their bitching
because they're making,
basically their business model they have now
enables them to build sports stadiums, okay?
They have-
Anytime you can like buy out and name a sports stadium.
Anyone who a sports stadium is named after,
I have no sympathy for
because it is the ultimate ego,
nonsense thing to spend money on.
It is pure ego for some executive who has,
because I mean, there's a limit
to how much profit you actually wanna have.
The taxes that you pay on your profit
are a lot more than if you just kind of
add some unnecessary expenses to here, here, here, here, here
and there's a lot of tricks
that can be played with the books.
So by the time you're just spending money on stupid nonsense,
oh, I have a message.
Oh, okay, oh crap, that was like 20 minutes ago.
Maybe we can bring Paul onto the show.
By the time you're spending money on this stupid nonsense,
you're fine and I really don't feel bad for you.
And the fact of the matter is that
there's no reason that they can't continue to charge more
for the higher speed broadband that they deliver
or that people won't be willing to pay
for more than just the base level of service
when there's like a 10 or $20 step up that's available
that's much, much, much faster.
They will make money on their investment.
And I guess the good old fashioned other way
that they could grow as companies would be,
hey, I don't know, by competing with each other.
There are ways to grow your business
that don't involve legislating it being unnecessary
for you to invest in growth
unless you see a massive disproportionate
inappropriate profit potential
where you can start tapping into companies like Google
saying, hey, if you want the fast lane
for your customers or Netflix,
then you're gonna have to pay.
I mean, there's huge problems associated
with competitors like Netflix.
You gotta remember some of these broadband internet companies
are also content servers for cable television.
They're direct competitors
and they're gonna be given the ability to squeeze them out
and charge the nickel and-
For no predefined amount of money.
For no predefined amount of money,
they're just gonna be able to nickel and dime them
until they can crush them.
This is just completely inappropriate and disgusting.
And you know what?
Innovation never stops because someone refuses to stop,
they refuses to keep innovating.
Good luck with that.
Not that people will step up.
Yeah.
All right.
Are we getting them in here?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's go ahead and do a thing here.
So.
Careful.
Okay.
Hey, Mr. Heimlich.
Hold on, I don't have you.
I don't have you quite live yet.
You'll have to mute your show there, sir.
Yes, just did, sorry.
All right, hold on.
I'm just gonna get the mixer.
I heard, oh, bloody balls.
Bloody balls.
Bloody balls.
It's so uncanny seeing you two talk to each other
when you don't put similar-
That is weird.
It's like looking in a mirror.
All right, there he is.
Hey!
Hi, everyone.
We got Paul on the show and other Paul on the show.
So, okay, okay.
How's the similarity?
You gotta give me your assessment.
How'd I do here?
Well, clearly the cloning process is successful, I think.
I don't keep it quite that short.
It's been a while since I had it like fully gone,
but I mean, and you're a little bit wide, I think,
on the-
Uh-huh, yeah, yeah.
So you gotta, it's got kind of a V shape to it,
have you noticed?
It's tapered.
Paul likes the V.
Towards the bottom.
It's better than-
Yes, that's what I was going for.
Yeah, optimal V-
I'm Kyle.
V-optimized hair management.
V-optimized hair management, okay?
Yeah.
On the lower lip there.
Is it Tress FX?
Tress FX.
Maybe Paul's has a little bit more Tress FX than yours.
Okay, so let me tell you something.
The intention for my makeup was actually,
Brandon screwed up and told our artist
that she had until 5.30 for the show to start.
So she was kind of working away and working away,
and I'm like, yeah, it's showtime in 20 minutes.
She's like, what?
You have got to be kidding me.
I'm not even close to done.
I'm like, oh, well, we've got 20 minutes.
So she had intended to put hair in,
like to actually put hair on
so that we could get the look a little bit closer.
But I think considering the time constraints,
I'm pretty pleased with the results.
Yeah, you guys went all out.
I mean, have you ever tried to rush
a makeup artist before?
They don't-
No, they don't really take kindly to that.
So since you're on the show,
do you want to talk some tech crap?
I'd be happy to.
I mean, I don't have your show doc, but-
That's fine.
You can work on that.
You do-
Yeah, if you just want to share it with Paul.
So guys, for those of you who don't know Paul,
he's from the YouTube channel Paul's Hardware,
formerly from Newegg.tv,
although you're still on Newegg TV, aren't you?
Yeah, I go in there once a week still and do a show.
So I'm still hanging out there,
but also working on my own channel.
So check it out if you guys are interested.
Love to have you stop by.
Cool, man.
So, okay, let's go ahead and jump into our next topic.
Have you heard that Windows 10 may be subscription-based?
This was posted by Ah Ming on the forum,
and our original article here is from techreport.com.
Do you want to go ahead and post that link?
And I'll open this baby up.
What do you think of subscription-based Windows?
I think it's a good idea.
I think if you, I mean,
if you look at when people do builds,
and so often I see build setups,
and there's no Windows in there,
and it's always like, oh, well,
are you going to have to spend another hundred bucks
on your Windows license for something like that?
But I mean, if you compare it to something like Adobe,
like I think Adobe realized that piracy
was pretty rampant with their products.
Yeah, rampant is one way of putting it.
Yeah, that's putting it mildly.
But since they realized it was such an issue,
they offered the subscription-based thing.
And I know of a lot more people who do the subscription now
who never had a thousand plus dollars
depending on what suite you were getting
to drop on something like that.
So I think it's a good idea.
I think it's definitely something Microsoft needs to do
given the competition that they're looking at
as far as operating systems go.
And I'm just kind of curious
how much they're going to charge, actually.
Is there any information on that?
I haven't seen anything, but what I suspect we'll see,
because Microsoft, going back to my retailer days,
back when I used to have meetings with Microsoft
about what they wanted to do,
for quite some time,
the strategy has been how do we attach
Windows and Office better?
And this is the way, because Office 365 is already great.
And if I could pay a little bit more for Office 365,
which already includes my SkyDrive storage,
so by bundling more services together,
Microsoft could extract incrementally
a little bit more money from me
and could deliver largely incrementally
a lot more value to me.
That is a win-win proposition in my mind.
I would kind of like there to be two systems,
because in certain situations, like say as a student,
if you are given a laptop.
Right.
A lot of different situations,
you might be given a laptop.
I'm not going to go through
all the different potential situations
where you're given a laptop.
You would probably have to keep that subscription up.
Wow, not that one.
I don't know.
I couldn't get it right. I was doing it in the mirror.
Oh my goodness.
I was looking at the image.
You're apparently not very skilled at that.
It's like, you might have to keep that subscription going.
Say you're a fairly young kid.
I built my computer really early on.
There's no way I could have kept up with a subscription.
I had money that I had collected over years
from birthdays and Christmas and whatnot
and like paper routes and crap.
That's how I built my first computer.
Right.
And I dumped everything I had.
Now, in this case, I would have had to keep like a buffer
so that I could keep this stupid subscription going.
Like, I couldn't afford to buy cheap Steam games.
I was trying to get free games
and like whatever I could give for my parents
from time to time.
There's no way I would have been able
to keep a subscription going.
There is people that this doesn't make a ton of sense for.
Personally, I like this idea.
It works for me right now.
I can afford the little bit of subscription.
It'll probably be a lot easier
because incremental hardware upgrades and stuff,
it's not gonna care anymore.
As long as the subscription is only on one computer at a time
just like Office 365,
I think that'll make it a lot easier
for the stuff I'm doing, which is great.
But we also have to remember the people
that it's not good for.
Well, I think that in a lot of situations,
like, okay, for example, a piece,
okay, okay, a few problems
that I can think of right off the bat
is one of the things about a subscription-based service
is it includes updates.
Not everyone wants to update to the latest Windows
and if they, even if they wanted to,
maybe they're running hardware that doesn't support it.
So Microsoft may be locking themselves
into this sort of Vista 7 88.1-ish compatible kernel
for quite some time if we wanna see driver support
that will make any sense for subscription-based Windows.
Another issue is the one that you brought up
where sometimes buying Windows is just a better option.
But for me, like something like Office 365
where I can pay the monthly service,
I get licenses for all my devices,
especially for technophiles who have many devices.
If they can give me my five Windows licenses
that I subscribe to, then that's all the ones I need
versus what it would cost me.
Like 500 bucks every couple of years
is what it would cost me
to update all of my devices at a time.
So it gets incrementally cheaper as you have more devices.
Yeah.
So I didn't really have a great flow to that,
but that was my basic point.
I still think it's very segmented
and I'm interested to hear what Paul thinks.
I was just gonna say, I mean,
we discussed some of the benefits
of the subscription-based service,
but Luke, like as you're pointing out,
there are definitely situations
where just buying it outright is also a good option.
So I know a lot of businesses
know that subscription-based services
are a way to create an income stream
that's very steady and very standard
and getting a bunch of people to sign up
is a really good thing if you look at something
like World of Warcraft or something like that.
I mean, the amount of money
that you can make from that is huge.
So I- And predictable.
Yes, and you can know exactly how much money
you're gonna be making.
And essentially, you can have people
who would end up paying more than what you would pay for
if you had just bought it outright.
So I would say that I would not wanna see
that the subscription model at the expense
of also not being able to buy it outright.
Fair enough.
Can you still buy Office Outright?
I think so, right?
I don't know.
Office 2013, you can.
What I like about- Yeah, but that's what 365 is, is 2013.
Yeah, what I like about sort of cloudy
subscription-y services, I guess,
is that at least they're evolving in the right direction.
I mean, you look at the App Store, the Apple App Store,
being able to family share apps now.
You look at Steam being able to family share apps now.
You look at the way an Office 365 subscription works,
there is nothing that prevents me
from equipping my whole household
with my Office subscription,
whether it's me or my wife or my son.
I mean, he's two, he doesn't need an Office yet.
But at some point, he'll need Office.
There's nothing that prevents me from that.
And so that's where the additional value for me comes in.
As a household, subscription-based,
it's more like bulk buying at an incredible discount.
Yeah. Makes a ton of sense.
I just looked it up.
The first website that came out was Best Buy,
but it showed a really good demonstration, actually.
You can get the subscription or you can buy the full thing.
Okay.
Yeah, so if they do that with Windows too,
I think they've covered all possible bases.
I'll get a subscription,
other people can buy the whole thing,
whatever fits for you better.
That's awesome.
All right, so the Sony hack.
Paul, have you been keeping up with what's been going on
for poor Sony over there?
They've gotten it pretty bad pretty recently, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think I ever thought I'd say poor Sony.
It's funny because right when all that was coming out,
I don't know if you've followed Jason,
he writes for Forbes, Jason Evangelow,
but he just wrote an article about going to the Sony,
the PlayStation experience that they just had,
and his whole touring around to all of the indie games
that they had there and what a great experience it was
and how much he felt like Sony was reaching out to that.
And yeah, I've never felt worse for Sony, definitely.
They have been doing a lot for indie on PS4, I'm sure.
I mean, they've done a lot of crap
that I really feel strongly is terrible.
A lot of proprietary-ville nonsense.
But let's just do like a brief, brief rundown.
So problems started on November 24th
when various reports pointed to a high-proof profile
studio-wide cyber attack at the hands of a group
calling itself hashtag GOP, Guardians of Peace.
The hackers, we still don't really know their origin.
There seems to be some kind of link to,
what was it, was it Bangkok or something like that?
North Korea, Bangkok, a little bit of South Korea.
Well, no, the rumor was it was probably North Korea
because one of the demands-
And then North Korea says they haven't had anything
to do with it.
Yeah, but then-
And then there's sources in Bangkok.
What's their credibility?
And then there's sources in South Korea.
There's stuff all over the place.
Yeah, and the only demand they've made so far,
other than an early one, other than an early one by email,
which the executives they sent it to never even responded to
which was for money, it looks like there's been
another demand to pull the movie The Interview
in which, who is it?
I don't know, a couple like goofy actors.
Seth Rogen.
I don't know, maybe Seth Rogen.
Can you remember, Paul?
Do you know who the actors are?
I don't really follow actors.
Seth Rogen and that other dude who's very attractive
and smokes weed a lot.
What's his name?
Even Goldberg and Seth Rogen.
Yeah.
All right, so anyway, they are supposed to,
they meet Kim Jong-un, they're supposed to assassinate him
or something, so out of the data that's been released
by the group.
Did I say even?
They claim that they had just under 100 terabytes of data
and out of what they've released, they've included
some high quality leaks of upcoming films.
They've released executive contact information,
emails, salaries, they've released the details
of Sony's dealings with, Sony Pictures dealings
with celebrities, including their names,
negotiation strategies, how much, their traveling aliases,
like there is a ton of stuff going on.
I don't know what the American version is,
but wasn't it like SIN numbers, essentially,
of employees too?
Yeah.
That's horrible.
Yeah, social insurance numbers, excuse me, that's ours.
That's ours.
Social security numbers in the US, right, Paul?
Is it social security?
Yes, whatever your personal thing is.
Yeah.
I don't have one of those, but I assume, I've heard
that's what they're called.
So yeah, they're saying, we are sending out our warning
again, do carry out our demand if you want to escape us
and stop immediately showing the movie of terrorism,
which can break the regional peace and cause the war.
I mean, this is causing so, so much uproar
and the truth of the matter is,
Sony has to release the interview.
They can't not release the interview,
because as soon as they don't release the interview,
these guys have full control, because it's not like Sony
can say, okay, we won't release the interview
and these guys won't still have all that data.
Yeah.
Oh, okay, well, we'll give you the data back.
I mean, data is not like that.
It's not a physical object.
They can just put it on a different hard drive somewhere.
So, I mean, the thing about it is Sony has no choice
but to release the interview and they almost can't
because individual employees at Sony
are getting threats from this group
towards them and their families.
I mean, this is just a mess.
So, one of the leaks includes private info
of close to 40,000 Sony Pictures ex-employees,
home addresses, previous salaries.
That's really messed up.
Like...
They're like guardians of peace.
Let's ruin a huge amount of people's lives.
What?
Like, there was different ways that if they wanted
to harass Sony with this information, they could've
that didn't destroy all the employees' lives,
which probably had nothing to do with this movie at all.
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
So, they're asking for monetary compensation
or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And you know, I've seen some criticism
of the Sony executives for not even opening the email
initially, but like, I wouldn't open that email.
Would you?
It would look like a spam email.
I would not open it specifically because it looks
like a spam email.
And there might be security issues.
Exactly.
And the number of empty threats that you could get
to that same end, like I guarantee they've been threatened
with something similar to that before.
The idea that there was anybody able to actually go through
with it is probably pretty far from your mind at that point.
Sony does need to freaking stop holding stuff
in plain text.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, that's, I mean, of all of these things,
the lack of security on Sony's side
is pretty reprehensible.
Yeah, I mean, that's the, that's the, like I,
okay, I guess it's not so much that I feel bad for Sony.
I do feel kind of bad for Sony because I just,
The people that work for Sony?
I feel especially bad for the people that work for Sony
because the thing is, is that if Sony Pictures, you know,
can't negotiate with Brad Pitt anymore
because he's worried about his personal information
being leaked because he dealt with Sony Pictures,
you know, that's gonna mean countless jobs lost
because Sony Pictures can't sustain itself anymore.
Like this is terrible.
This is just terrible and absolutely terrible
and there's no way for it to go well from this point
that I can see.
It's just kind of really bad.
There's rumors that Sony was using Amazon Web Services
to DDoS sites that were hosting the stolen content.
But that's so sketchy rumors.
That's, they're sketchy rumors.
It would be a sketchy thing for Sony to do.
I'm not even sure if I believe it.
It could be.
Like there's, I looked up that a little bit.
Yeah.
Looked that up a little bit.
And there was an extreme lack of information.
As far as I can tell, someone was like,
oh, I thought of this thing
that they could potentially be doing.
Interesting.
I'm gonna post this on the internet.
And that's as far as that rumor has gone
as far as I can tell.
So I don't know about that.
So it starts and then from there it snowballs
until that's what they're doing.
Like it could be, I don't know.
I'm not saying it's definitely not,
but it sounds like a whole bunch of bull crap to me.
If you're gonna use something, AWS would make sense.
The YouTube Android application update
allows you to watch videos offline.
This was posted on the forum by Lesuno.
And it gives, do you wanna go ahead
and post this in the Twitch chat?
Sure.
It gives users the option to download a video
for offline consumption.
They can choose between 360p and 720p.
And most channels are not available yet,
but it will be rolling out in time.
And yeah, so.
I believe Tech Quickie's available already.
So if you need to.
So there's a download button.
Yeah, Tech Quickie is and LCT is not yet.
So if you need to go show someone how to do something,
you can download the Tech Quickie video before you leave
and then show them.
I wonder, I'm assuming they still have a way
to track viewership stats.
The fact that it's app-based makes a lot of sense
because they don't want you downloading files,
then they have no tracking information.
And I mean, for the people watching,
that tracking information is really important
to YouTubers like us and this guy
because we use it to find out what you guys like.
We can see retention hotspots,
like where people watched and where they were interested in
and all that kind of stuff.
So the fact that it's within an app
means that Google, next time that phone goes online,
will still be able to report views and hotspots
and all that data and make sure that,
I wonder how ads work.
Does it still serve an ad to you?
I wonder, it could download a set of ads with it.
I wouldn't be surprised.
And then serve it.
Or just one of them and you just get served
the exact same one every time.
I'm not sure.
Twitch chat, let us know.
Do you still get ads if you download into the app?
That would be a lot of work to circumvent
a five second skippable button.
Yeah.
If you were like, I'm gonna download every video
so I don't have to watch the ads,
that would be a little bit odd.
But I mean, sometimes YouTube rolls things out
where they just haven't implemented that yet,
even though it costs them some ad revenue.
Like for the longest time, mobile didn't have ads on it.
Yeah, that's true.
Really long time, actually.
Yeah, I mean, you could make the argument
that they wanted people to watch on mobile
so that Android and stuff.
They can put ads in later.
Yeah, just put the ads in later.
They could just force you to download the ad as well.
Sorry?
They could just force you to download the ad as well.
Yeah, I'm just not sure what they're doing.
Hopefully Twitch chat is exploding with people.
Someone says I get ads, but it's Twitch chat
so it could all be BS anyway.
Yeah.
I've got people saying no ads,
got people saying yeah ads.
Thanks Twitch chat.
Twitch chat, super useful as normal.
We love you guys.
Speaking of Twitch chat,
we have 6,500 people watching.
Yes.
Is that a new record?
No.
Oh, were we close to 7,000 once?
Yeah.
Okay, well it's-
It's really good.
It's a very high amount.
That's like number two or three all the time?
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, that's more views than Paul gets in a year.
Oh.
On my live shows?
I don't do live shows.
I could do live shows.
I saw you doing a live show.
That was the new egg live show.
No, I saw you doing a different live show.
He's making some-
Did you see that?
Yeah, I did see that.
Was that in Colorado?
I'm subscribed to that website.
Yeah.
Where you have that live show.
Paul's big hardware, Snapchat.
Oh, Carol.
That's a brilliant name.
If I don't have that yet, I'm gonna set it up now.
That's fantastic.
Speaking of picture-based social media,
this was posted by ETRJ on the forum.
Instagram now apparently bigger than Twitter.
I'm not surprised.
I wanna go ahead and post a link.
Sure.
So Instagram has told Newsbeat
it has the potential to change the world.
As it announced, it has overtaken Twitter
with 300 million users.
Twitter claims to have 284 million users
accessing the network each month,
which is fascinating.
Paul, do you use Instagram?
I do have Instagram.
I'm not super active on there,
but I try to post a few videos every now and then,
a few pictures every now and then, of course.
That's interesting.
I'd be curious about actual traffic, though,
because I feel like there's a lot of people
who go to Twitter and read Twitter,
but aren't necessarily signed up.
You know what the thing about Instagram is,
and this has been why I've continued to use it,
because I've had a lot of people complain to me
about my use of Instagram for posting pictures.
Whenever I post a picture on Twitter,
I'll get like, I don't know.
Basically no one sees it.
10 or 15 favorites or whatever,
and then I'll get, you know,
I don't know.
Read tweets.
Double comments, and then maybe a retweet or two.
When I post something on Instagram,
if the objective is to interact with y'all,
then you're telling me that Instagram is the way to go.
Lots more comments, lots more likes,
lots more interaction with the community
that I'm trying to engage with.
So I don't know what it is exactly.
Maybe it's the-
And honestly, I find Instagram conversations are garbage.
Yeah.
The conversations are worse.
Yeah.
So it's actually easier to follow the conversation for me
on Instagram, which is ridiculous.
It's like the lesser of two evils.
Yeah.
Okay.
Ideally, everyone would just join
the Linus Tech Tips Forum.
Yeah, to be honest.
I was trying to reply to someone on YouTube the other day,
and it broke all my formatting right when I posted.
I was like, oh God, please just post on the forum.
And the thing that kills me is half the people,
you know what, you know what?
There seems to be a direct correlation
between the people on YouTube who make me mad
and the people on YouTube who have the reply disabled
on their profile.
Because half the time, more than half the time,
ooh, wow, a lot of the time,
I want to reply to someone on YouTube
because I'm like, yeah, you are completely wrong
about everything you've just said.
And the internet is making me mad.
There's no reply.
And a lot of the time too,
the particularly out there ones have solicited a reply
and just have no idea that I can never reply to them.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you ever get that, Paul?
Where someone's just like, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah,
Paul, this thing you did was so stupid,
and blah, blah, blah.
And then there's just no reply button.
And so you're just kind of sitting there going,
well, I'd love to set the record straight, but.
It's definitely happened both ways.
I mean, I hate it when somebody actually has a legitimate
like question or comment or something
that I do want to reply to.
And I'm like, I can't have one.
Even if it's completely positive,
it's like, I can't help you.
I'll try to like fake out at tag people
and deep down inside I'm like,
you're never gonna see this.
I'm trying to help, but there's like,
there's no way you're coming back
unless you get an email or whatever.
So, oh well.
Well, I think that's pretty much it
for the topics that we really have today.
How are things going, Paul?
Or should we do this after party?
Yeah, okay.
So thanks guys for watching the show today.
We're gonna go ahead and roll our outro
and we'll be back with an after party
for as long as Paul here can join us
with his fan testing wall of fan-ness,
which you guys can't see
because I didn't set the thing right.
Whatever, the point is the show's over.
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