Welcome to the WAN Show.
We're not really gonna have any hot takes
or controversial moments this week
because I've already had enough of them for one week.
Ha ha.
Wait, there was, what happened this week?
Oh.
I don't wanna know.
Let's keep going.
There was, yeah, you do it.
Project Farms has reviewed, actually.
Todd was not the only one to review the LTT screwdriver
and I wanna talk a little bit about what it was like
being on the other side of that kind of an engagement.
Normally I am the reviewer,
but this week I was the reviewee.
It was something.
Yeah.
Forbes has released their top creators list.
Spoiler, I'm not on it.
And that's not the reason that it's one of the stupidest
pieces of clickbait garbage that I have ever seen.
Well, let's talk a little bit about that, shall we?
343 just can't stop screwing up Halo.
What a strong start, what a weak fall.
Moving on, we also have Jasko follows through.
Some interesting stuff there.
Yeah.
Oh man, that's gonna be a good update
and we will give it to you at some point.
Later.
Later.
Yeah.
When we do.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
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That's an unfortunate name given the current state of things.
It sure is.
Why don't we jump right into our first topic,
the headline topic of the show today,
the Project Farms and other,
I guess we could just say Jeff Geerling.
I think those are the two main ones
that covered the screwdriver with reviews.
So the reviews of the screwdriver.
First of all, you were actually over at my house
while I was finishing watching the Project Farms video
when it came out on Sunday morning.
He was busy, so I was let inside
and then I gave a tour of his house to my girlfriend
because he was busy reading comments.
Well, I was finishing watching the video as well.
Like I hadn't actually finished.
Really?
No, like so.
So I was literally there right then.
I was up, I was in the bathroom
having not really been able to finish brushing my teeth.
Just.
That happens sometimes.
In a state of stress and fear and worry
and those are all like kind of the same thing,
but it was, I was this boiling crock pot of emotions.
Even though it was really good,
which we'll get more into, but even though.
But just because I'm eight minutes into the video
doesn't mean it can't get really bad.
Totally, and even when you're done watching the video,
there's the comments and even you've read a few comments,
there's more comments.
Gotta digest it a little bit.
And you might need to see the replies
and it had just launched like right then.
So there was also a lot more comments
and replies coming in and then Reddit props up
and people are talking about it on Twitter
and it's just this endless feed.
I will say this.
It wouldn't make me change any of my outcomes, right?
From any review that I've ever done.
I would still trash the Jibo again today.
But I would certainly have a little bit more empathy
for the people who poured their sweat, blood and tears
into the product having actually lived through it.
I mean, to be clear, that's something I'm already aware of.
You know, like I will go through a script review
with someone and I'll say,
look, these are all things that we absolutely need to say,
but can you find a bone to throw the team
that like spent their actual time of their life
building this thing, right?
I have trashed a product of people that I liked
and was friends with and it was never really
the same afterwards.
And I didn't change anything moving on, but it sucked.
Yep.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
You gotta do what you gotta do as a reviewer.
But like, it's just, it's part of the environment,
part of the job.
So, you know, so I wouldn't change anything,
but I certainly have a much greater understanding
of what it's like to sit there and go,
this could make or break me.
It's not that I was necessarily expecting us
to see a huge surge in orders, right?
Like, sure, that would be nice, but I, you know,
I think that compared to a video going up on our channel
where we've been teasing this thing for literally years now
and saying like, yep, you're gonna be able to order it.
You're gonna be able to order it.
Boom, now you can order it.
Tsunami of orders.
And we have always, always recommended
that people watch reviews and that people check out
review content that isn't even just us
and that you should cross-reference reviews.
And we had something reviewable.
Yeah.
So compared to our channel,
I wasn't expecting a huge surge of orders
because you guys had been waiting and waiting
and waiting for this thing.
You'd seen it in action.
And whereas on his channel, his audience,
well, unless they happen to need a ratcheting screwdriver,
like they haven't been waiting for the thing, right?
So we did see, we did see a little jump in orders,
but what I was fearful of was mass cancellations.
Yeah.
So it wasn't so much that I had anything to gain,
but I had everything to lose.
But the reason that we submitted for review,
and I wanted to clarify this,
under the video, that's the wording that I used.
I talked about submitting the product for review.
And some people mistook that to mean that
we had paid for it or that we had even provided
a unit free of charge.
No, the only thing that we did was we allowed Todd
from Project Farms to buy the driver
ahead of online availability.
Up until now, it's only been a-
Jeff and Todd both bought their own drivers.
Yeah, they both paid for them.
So all we did was give them a page
where they could click add to cart.
I think, no, Jeff got a creator edition as well, right?
So we would have comped the creator edition,
but I believe he also just bought his own.
I think maybe both.
I'm not 100% certain.
I know he at least bought his own.
Yeah, and Todd did not accept any drivers from us at all.
So the only way in which I submitted to the review
was that I facilitated them just getting their hands
on a driver earlier rather than later.
And I did so because of the respect that I have for
and the value that I place in independent reviews,
something that it would be pretty hypocritical of me
to not value and respect.
And when I use the term respect, I mean it in like a,
one should be respectful of a horse
for it can carry you very far and very fast
and be a loving, faithful companion,
but it can also literally fucking crush you.
Kick your ribcage through your back, yeah.
Yeah, exactly, right?
So I, yeah, so I submitted to the review early
because I believe in the value of it,
even though I knew that we could still sell 60, 70,
100,000 screwdrivers before any reviewer
could ever get their hands on,
because I believe in the importance of that.
And after all the time I've spent telling you guys,
hey, you need to wait for independent reviews,
even going to the work of putting together a pop-up shop
so that before we opened broad pre-orders.
So everyone at the pop-up got to try it
before they had to buy it.
And then they were able to review it.
And then everyone online got to see those reviews
before they could buy it.
And in order to take it to the next level,
we found the, like, I mean, Todd,
Jeff was one requested reviewer,
but Todd was overwhelmingly the most requested reviewer
that people wanted to look at this screwdriver.
So we went out of our way to get in touch with Todd,
who actually also reached out to us.
So I think we, like we were going to,
and then like he also did.
So everyone was on board basically,
in order to get that up there
before we ever shipped a single driver.
Knowing, knowing the risk,
which meant that I just, man, I had so much at stake.
Oh yeah.
Watching that video.
It was a tense moment.
I was so stressed.
We were supposed to hang out all day and he spent,
man, I think sick.
If you don't include the activity,
probably like 60, 70% of it on the phone.
And I think I'm being very generous.
Oh, not when we were on the water.
I said, if you don't include the activity.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I was on my phone a fair bit,
but I was, man, I don't remember.
So was I, I'm not throwing you under.
I don't remember the last time
I had an adrenaline rush like that,
watching something on a screen.
Like I used to be super into sports, right?
So like watching the like 2010 gold medal Olympic game.
Yeah, I probably had that kind of like emotional rush,
like looking at two dimensional pixels, right?
But since then, probably not.
Like I just, oh, it was mind blowing.
I'm really glad that Todd tested the way he did.
He ended up being really focused on ratchet quality,
which makes a ton of sense
for a ratcheting screwdriver roundup.
But I had, I wanted to be,
I wanted to provide our side of the story, obviously.
So I asked Nick to send over all the materials
that we were gonna have on the website
because Todd had his driver
before the webpage was formally launched.
So I was like, look,
he should have everything a consumer should have.
Like we don't want him to like intentionally
withhold information, that's stupid.
But I was determined not to influence the review in any way.
So Nick did all the communication,
which was just sending, like allowing him to buy it
and then sending the thing.
And I was like,
I am not even going to watch a video on his channel.
I actually hadn't seen a single Project Farms video
until I watched the review of our driver.
Oh yeah, that's not true for me at all.
I'm not gonna leave a comment.
I'm not gonna email the guy.
I did, I had never even been introduced,
not even by email to Todd.
I was like, if I'm gonna preach this,
the value of independent reviews.
Gotta do it right.
Then the only thing I can do is to do nothing.
So I'm glad that he was really focused on the Ratchet
because that is something that we spent
a ton of our time on.
And I was really relieved.
Overnight, it felt like the sentiment around this project
went from, I would say, well past healthy skepticism
into cynicism, particularly from a small vocal minority.
You do have to remember that you're gonna remember
and feel the bad comments more than the negative ones.
But it's more than just really negative comments.
It's a lot of upvotes and a lot of negative discussion.
Like there's been a ton of negativity around this project.
And there was no way for us to do right, right?
Like if we had rushed it out, it would have been,
oh, YouTubers don't know what they're doing.
And if we took our time to do it right,
it's like, they're taking so long,
they don't know what they're doing.
Right, in some people's minds,
there was absolutely no way for us to win.
I do know that a lot of people were very confused
about why it took so long.
And then when you released the video of like,
this is why it took us three years to make a screwdriver,
there was quite a bit of like, oh, so that helped.
But then you also need the independent review.
Yeah, so I've got the chart, the chart with the results.
It's, again, I didn't want to exert any influence
on this or anything.
So I'm not gonna, I wasn't gonna call in and tell Todd
how to make a chart.
This isn't quite probably the way that I would have done it.
So the way it works is the lower average like score here,
the better.
So like one here in side to side shaft wobble,
right left passes.
So this is essentially like the efficiency of the driver.
Ratchet back drag, those ones,
those are gold medals, essentially.
Magnet strength is a silver medal.
Bit retention strength is a middle of the pack.
And then we're actually dead last for rotate.
Oh no, not dead last, 12 out of 14 for rotational slop,
which I'll explain a little bit later.
So some people did find his graphs confusing,
but when I finally saw this, oh man, was I ever,
was I ever happy.
So we came in second place overall
with a 3.8 average rating.
So we were on average better than fourth place,
including that one 12th place.
And we fell below on average only the $140 PB Swiss driver
that notably does not have internal bit storage,
which I thought was pretty great.
One of the biggest victories for me was beating the Snap-on
by such a wide margin.
That was what we set out to beat.
That was the target.
It's also more expensive than our driver.
I have a note in here that if you remove the rotational slop
from the equation, we actually come out on top.
So rotational slop, I'll explain.
And I think he explains it a bit in his video
and he explains why it would be there considering
some of the other benefits that this one has.
Yeah, so it's a bit of a trade-off with back,
like back drag force.
And from my point of view,
so what it is is when it's in a locked position, right?
So when it's neither ratcheting one way nor the other,
okay, no ratchet, right?
It's like a normal screwdriver.
So you hear that,
how it kind of ticks back and forth a little bit.
That was not a major design consideration for us.
And the reason for that is that
if you wanna use a fixed shaft screwdriver,
then maybe you should use a fixed shaft screwdriver
from my point of view.
With that said,
the fact that we were so far behind the PB Swiss one,
obviously I think that's something that we would like
to take into account at least for a potential screwdriver
V2s at some point down the road.
Personally though, for the use case
that I think a lot of people are buying this for,
because there's definitely use cases
where you use that middle mode more often,
but with PC building, I don't really see it.
It never bothered me because I never touched it.
Yeah, exactly.
The literal years that I used trialing the screwdriver
in the lead up to the release.
I never used it ever really.
I suspect people do use it in other use cases.
Sure.
Maybe heavier stuff, I don't know.
But I wouldn't improve it at a sacrifice
of any other part of the driver.
Now, to be clear, this is not Luke and I
popping some Copium pills before the show
or anything like that.
The main point that I'm making is that this way of ranking
who has the best average of the scores
is not a perfect way of quantifying the relative value
of a whole field of products.
Todd actually addresses this himself.
In a really good way, in my opinion.
He shows that by just removing one result
that he felt was not very important at all,
the rankings can change dramatically.
The chart also doesn't, so basically what-
But it might matter to you.
Yes, it might matter to you.
So it's up to you to remove the rankings that don't matter
and to focus on the things that matter.
The other thing is that the chart does not reflect
any subjective elements of the products.
I personally would never even consider using a screwdriver
without integrated bit storage.
Licensing, mega pros, patented bit storage thing
was a huge part of us even deciding
to do a screwdriver at all.
Because unless we had a huge improvement
over the in-handle storage of my daily driver snap-on,
I wasn't gonna switch away from it.
So your mileage may vary on that.
Some people really prefer to just have a case of bits.
And for some use cases, that makes way more sense.
Anytime I'm working around the house,
like if I'm putting up some picture frames
and putting up some little hangers
where I'll have a screwdriver as part of my toolbox,
but I'm also gonna be using my drill.
I'm gonna have my whole drill and screwdriver bit set.
But depending on what you're doing,
it might not make a ton of sense.
Brandon has actually kitted out his LTT screwdriver
with all of the same bits that are on the red camera tool.
Oh, cool.
The one that has all the torques and all the hexes
and all the Phillips and a slot,
that you need for Cameron.
He's like, this is now better in every way.
I'm like, well, okay, good.
Because that was the goal.
So, oh yeah, okay.
This was the thing that we jumped in
and kind of said earlier.
Yeah, either way, no matter how it was gonna turn out,
it was really cool to see our product
lined up against the competition.
It was kind of surreal, actually.
Jeff Geerling also reviewed it quite favorably,
although with no definitive final chart,
like Project Farms, he liked the thinner shaft,
the bit storage and the back force on the ratchet,
found it on par with or better
than the more expensive Snap-On.
He said not perfect, aside from the poor rotational slop.
He felt bit retention strength was another weak performer.
This is me editorializing here.
I consider this a subjective thing.
Ours is strong enough to hold large screws
and big thumb nets, like on AIO water coolers
for their retention brackets, for example.
But it's also relatively easy to remove from the shaft.
You don't necessarily want it so strong
that it's kind of hard to get out.
So it's always a balancing act.
There are drivers that have stronger magnets, the PB Swiss.
Yeah, but I think you were talking the other day
about how you would need a thicker shaft.
Yes.
Which working on a computer that might be kind of annoying,
sometimes you have to pass through different parts
and whatnot.
So like there's trade-offs for benefits
in almost every scenario, so.
And there's always going to be a thinner screwdriver.
Like if you use a fixed shaft screwdriver,
you might need that from time to time.
Like if you have one of those heat sinks
that actually has holes through the fins
that you have to stick a screwdriver all the way down.
Yeah, even that will struggle with that.
I've seen it, oh, this won't be able to do it in some.
I've even seen PCI slots where there's two layers
and you have to get a screwdriver through the layer.
You're just gonna have to have
a fixed shank screwdriver for that.
But what our goal was was to make sure
that this was both long enough and low profile enough
that you can put on any Noctua cooler
because that's probably what you should be buying anyway.
So there were places where we knew
we were making compromises and PB Swiss
does offer a much stronger magnet than ours,
but they also have a thicker shaft.
Another thing that I feel like,
oh, he noted that we can't offer the same level
of same day customer service that brands like Snap-on can.
I think that's fair.
That's a fair observation.
That's one of those subjective or anecdotal
or non quantitative things that is important to have
as part of your consideration for a product,
but that cannot be summarized in a chart.
Is that mostly, this is pure ignorance on my part.
Yeah.
Is that same day customer service mostly just for like shops?
Yeah.
Okay, so you might not have that same day customer service
if you're an individual?
Not necessarily.
But maybe?
I think it depends.
Like one of the things with Snap-on is that
for the most part, you don't buy their tools at like Walmart.
It's like a truck system is my understanding.
So I actually have a broken Snap-on product.
I have a broken like ratchet and I haven't to be clear,
I haven't looked into it.
I'm sure it's as simple as contacting their customer support
and like getting a new one shipped to me or something.
But it's not obvious to me without like contacting them
where I would go or what I would do.
Like there's no truck that goes to your house for it
as far as I can tell.
Yeah, I don't know.
The trucks that will just have replacement tools
like ready to go for you,
those go to like mechanic shops and stuff.
The only Snap-on product that I own
is an American Airlines official Snap-on screwdriver.
So if I'm sure I asked for service on that,
I might get some questioning looks.
Yeah.
So I'm just gonna not, and it's also completely fine.
And also thank you whoever gave that to me.
Did someone just, when someone highlights a comment,
does that mean they paid actual money on Twitch to say it?
Is that?
No.
No.
Just means they watch.
Channel points, which you earn by, I don't know.
Watching the stream.
Oh, okay.
Someone like highlighted their comment
suggesting that I'm paying 80 employees
to hype the screwdriver nobody cares about in chat.
No, definitely not.
Something that I feel like both Todd and Jeff
actually missed is that while Jeff commented
that European shipping makes this screwdriver
more expensive for some people, they both,
and maybe this is just like an America-centric
kind of worldview kind of thing.
I feel like it's just, it's something that I observe a lot
with my American friends and colleagues
is that they sort of don't consider sometimes
like that the rest of the world is-
Things aren't American-
Really different.
So not only is ours more expensive in Europe,
but the PB Swiss, for example, in Switzerland
is a domestic product.
Notably cheaper.
And actually relatively affordable.
So neither of them, I think, really did a great job
of covering the nuance of pricing.
And that's one of the reasons that we actually
rarely discuss pricing in our reviews.
In situations where the price is a major,
major point of contention,
like we saw during the recent GPU pricing madness.
Yeah, or if we're doing specifically
a price performance chart.
Sure. Something like that.
Yeah.
Other than that, we go out of our way
not to talk about pricing that much
because from my point of view, it's dynamic.
It changes over time.
It changes region by region.
So what's the point if I do a CPU roundup
of me laying out the prices
and really spending a ton of my time focusing on that,
if ultimately it's gonna be down to you
to go check what the prices are
relative to each other anyway
and do that calculation on your own.
Now in a perfect world,
labs would be able to dynamically generate that data for you
but that's not something that we can do
baked into a chart in a video.
So not really much we can do about it.
He noted that the plastic grip is more slippery
than rubber when trying to do any high torque work
like screwing into wood, but noted that it is still usable.
Like the cap on the bit storage could free spin
so you can push down with this palm
while spinning the driver.
I have also however seen some people
not like that the cap free spins.
I like that it free spins
but this also comes back to different use case things.
I find with a computer, the free spin is gonna be awesome.
And with a computer, the grip is not an issue,
but then yeah.
The free spin thing I think is also kind of an artifact
of Jeff being a fixed shank screwdriver guy
with a ratcheting driver.
You really want that free spin.
You go way faster.
Well, no, no, he liked the free spin.
Actually, if anything, I would say with a fixed shank driver
you need the free spin more than with a ratcheting one.
Yeah, that's probably fair.
Because it spins on this end, not this end.
But we, I mean, it's Mega Pro's design, but we liked it
because it does offer that flexibility.
I still free spin with a ratchet if it's really loose.
Do you really?
And then I ratchet once it gets in there.
Oh, have you daily driven this yet?
No.
Okay, it's less necessary with this one
because the ratchet back forces so low.
Anyway, my response to the rubber over grip bit
is that they do add grip
but they also tend to get gross over time.
One of the reasons I left my snap on so much
is that it's hard plastic
and just never got like dirty or gross.
There's people who won't prefer that though.
Now, one thing, this is really important.
One thing that some folks mentioned
was the inconsistencies between Todd's and Jeff's results.
And I saw some kind of sauce, comments about it.
I'm gonna put that to rest for you, all right?
We've bought enough competing products
in the screwdriver category and made enough of our own
that we have plenty of firsthand experience
with the kind of variation that you might see
from batch to batch or even from one driver to the next.
And it's pretty high.
And on some of the brands, it's really high.
Ours, no, that is not our goal.
That is something that we're paying very close attention to
but we have seen some extreme variance
in some of the brands.
So if you got your tinfoil hat on
that one of them was faking results
or that we paid them off or whatever else,
I think you might wanna take off the hat,
go touch some grass, that's not what went down.
Yeah.
You know what?
Maybe we'll do the messenger bag discussion later.
We've had a lot of requests for a messenger bag
and I wanted to, as someone who doesn't really use
a messenger bag, I wanted to get some feedback
from the community on it,
but we can talk about that later.
What do you wanna talk about next, Luke?
Let's see here.
I'm kind of itching to get in on this 343 thing
cause I'm honestly just annoyed.
Sure, let's do it.
Okay, 343 keeps screwing up Halo Infinite
and it cancels split screen co-op.
I was so excited when Halo Infinite launches.
He knows that, a bunch of my other friends know that.
Really excited, like this tier, this tier excited.
The second I loaded in, I see the launch screen,
the music looks fantastic, the launch screen looks great.
You jump into a game, hopefully really quickly
or you have general Microsoft multiplayer problems
and it doesn't work, but you eventually get into a game
and it's fun and it's cool and you're like, okay,
well, this is really, really, really,
really noticeably missing co-op and forge
because just jumping into playlists,
I think is what they call them, to play like,
oh, I'm just gonna play deathmatch 47 times in a row
is not actually super entertaining.
And one of the best things about Halo
has kind of always been the custom maps
and being able to do things you want.
I really wanna be able to play blood Gulch,
not being able to play blood Gulch makes my soul sad.
I don't really care too much which version of Halo it is.
I just want to be in blood Gulch and then I'll be happy.
So not being able to, I am certain
one of the first things someone does with forge
is gonna be just make blood Gulch.
So that'll be nice.
But first of all, okay, they cancel split screen co-op.
Why does that matter so much?
A lot of you probably are never gonna play
split screen co-op.
It matters because some of us would, okay.
And because they said that they were going to have it.
They said after Halo,
it was noticeably missing from Halo five.
And they said after it was missing from Halo five
that they would include it in Halo Infinite moving forward.
There is hilariously enough, apparently a glitch
that allows local co-op to work on
at the very least Xbox series S or X, sorry,
but they're not going to officially support it.
So that's frustrating.
Now we're looking at the roadmap.
Woo boy.
Sure. Yeah, it's on the dock, but that's fine.
The roadmap is going from November.
Okay. The first section of the roadmap
goes from November 9th or November 8th to March 7th.
I tripped on my words so much there
because damn that's a big gap.
Holy crap.
And then, okay, it also goes from March 7th to June 27th.
So everything that you're seeing on here
is like almost a year.
Whoa.
Yeah.
One of the things that's in the second gap.
So after March 7th, potentially as far as June 27th,
if there isn't another delay, is the custom game browser.
RIP dude, that sucks.
Remember when that used to be
like the most basic multiplayer feature?
Yeah.
Custom game browser.
Yeah. Speaking of the most basic feature,
have you read this list?
There's mission replay.
I had to Google because I haven't played the campaign yet
because I'm waiting to be able to play co-op
because it's Halo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had that same reaction.
I had to look it up.
You can't replay missions.
And you're not getting it for like a while.
How is that even possible?
I don't know.
And you could be like, oh, it's hard to replay missions
in open world games.
No, it's not.
No, it isn't.
There's tons of open world games.
Lots of them have mission replay.
Figure it out.
My goodness.
Oh, coming sometime from November 8th to March 7th
is free 30 tier battle.
No one cares.
Fix your game.
Quality of life improvements sound pretty good.
Yeah, we need some of those.
I have not been interested in launching Halo Infinite
in a while.
And it was like the only shooter game I played for a while.
I was like gaming every other night, playing Halo Infinite.
Like the multiplayer was fun.
That's a rare Pikachu.
You don't see that too often.
But like, my goodness.
Okay, we jumped far into the-
Dinky Dolphin says, just abandon Halo like the devs did.
No.
Oh, too soon.
Rough.
Too soon.
March 7th to June 27th includes in-game reporting.
Cool.
That probably should have been on launch.
So much of this stuff, like ability to mission replay.
Yup, should have been on launch.
Co-op should have been on launch.
Forge should have been on launch.
Tell me something.
Tell me something, Mr. Lefren here.
Okay, you actually work managing a development team.
Is that correct?
Correct.
I feel like I'm testifying.
Yeah, so you have some developers who report to you.
You task them with new things to do.
They tell you when they're done
and you find more work for them to do
and help to keep projects on track.
Would you say that that is correct?
Sounds about right.
Okay.
That would be yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, okay.
Thank you.
Okay, so-
Yes, your honor.
And you-
No.
Okay, we can drop that now.
So in your humble opinion, okay,
this one feature here in particular,
in-game reporting.
Now, my understanding of a feature like this
is that it's probably like a cheat,
like a cheat to your reporting.
Yeah, or it's swearing or bad language.
So tell me this, tell me this.
In your humble opinion,
the complexity of implementing a feature such as this,
knowing, knowing the amount of metadata and telemetry data
that a modern game engine is generating and crapping out,
the complexity of creating
at least a minimum viable product version of this,
would you describe it as extremely high, somewhat high,
moderate, somewhat low, or extremely low?
I'm gonna give a really annoying answer.
It sort of depends on what's there.
You suck.
It sort of depends on what's there.
What you suspect is probably there though.
It shouldn't be that hard.
Yeah, yeah, like really shouldn't.
Look, I don't mean for you to have to throw
your fellow development industry folks under the bus here.
It depends like, okay, I don't remember-
This has gotta be a management issue.
Yeah.
That's my point.
I'm not throwing developers under the bus.
It feels to me like they've launched way too early
because of something that I actually commended them for,
which was they saw Battlefield launch
and immediately hard flop.
Yeah.
And they were like, you can play Halo.
And we were all like sick and it was nowhere near ready.
Yeah.
And they should have held it back, unfortunately.
Unfortunately.
So now like 80% of the team is probably working
on stupid cosmetics and stupid battle passes and whatever.
That's in here in the March 7th to June 27th,
new 100 tier battle pass.
It's coming.
There's cosmetics coming all the time.
Yeah, for all the dozens of players
that are still playing it.
Yep.
Really brutal.
Really brutal, really frustrating.
Okay, so tell me this then, from your perspective, okay?
Yeah, I've had a couple of comments about how you are.
Would you say that you lead the team at floatplane.com?
Yeah.
Floatplane development team, okay.
So from your perspective,
how hard is it to implement the feature
where you might get a notification
when someone replies to your comment under a video?
Would you say it is extremely hard, somewhat hard,
moderately hard, somewhat easy or extremely easy?
Highly ignorable.
Highly ignorable.
Would you say that that's a management issue?
Yes.
Okay, we do actually have some really cool features
coming on Floatplane soon.
Picture in picture is coming.
Picture in picture and background audio are coming.
There's Chromecast fixes that should be coming,
but we'll talk about Google being annoying in a moment.
There's content progress.
We don't really know what to call it
and it's never gonna have a forward facing name,
so it doesn't matter.
But people have mentioned that they wanna be able to,
they especially mentioned with the like,
however long it was, like four hour long.
Four hour call me Chris collab uncut.
So they mentioned that they wanted to be able to see
where they were previously in it,
which was not something that we had received
a ton of feedback for in the past.
It was a known missing feature,
but not a ton of people were complaining
until like this really long piece of content landed.
So that's coming.
That's like really, really close to being done.
And it will resume you where you were previously
if you're within like 15 seconds at the end of the video
and it'll assume that you're back at the beginning,
all this type of stuff.
There's also the new player,
which is finally getting back on track again.
So it has theater mode, it has some other stuff going on.
There's editing and deleting of comments under videos.
So no notifications yet,
but better control of your own comments and stuff is coming.
There's a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline, but yeah.
Cool.
We don't have the development team that 343 does.
I mean, hey, maybe 343 doesn't have a lot of developers.
It's a little smaller.
Maybe it's a very small, it's a tight knit small team.
Whenever I say some stuff about development on WAN Show
and then I get people reaching out from those companies,
often what I hear is that a lot of these developers
want to fix this stuff or want to do these things.
That's always the story.
Look, you gotta understand.
It's not like these people are incapable.
Software, and it's not even that.
It's not that they don't have the passion for it.
Software developers in a lot of cases,
especially the ones that work in utterly thankless
industries like game development,
they are artists every bit as much as the artists
who draw the assets or model the characters
or whatever else it is.
They are every bit as much artists.
The art of coding,
how a projectile might bounce off of an object
and create these sparks that come out at,
oh, well, if it comes in at this angle, it comes up then.
That is, it's fricking art.
It's all art.
And so, you talk to these people
and they get so frustrated, right?
Because they want to spend the time.
Often very passionate about the things that they work on.
Want to do it properly, right?
But it's-
But a lot of these companies are super massive.
And when you're super massive,
it can be very difficult to move.
It can be very difficult to make things happen.
Things can be very rigid.
And that can be difficult for the managers.
That can be difficult for the developers.
It can be difficult in a lot of parts of the chain.
And something that I don't have experience with directly
is working in one of those gigantic companies
because I would hate it.
I have no desire for that whatsoever.
Yeah.
We stay just small enough for his tolerance level.
So when LMG got too big, okay, well, no,
you work for FlowPlane now.
Yeah.
I was expressing concerns about us getting too big
like many years ago.
Yeah, so it's that type of thing, I understand.
I empathize.
It's one of the reasons why I don't work in that industry.
So it is what it is.
But yeah, I understand it can be tough.
And I understand you're often left wanting
because you wanna fix the thing, you hear the feedback,
you know you wanna do something about it and you just can't.
So I get it.
But yeah, it's very disappointing.
Some people are discussing whether
the like bullet ricochet sparks or whatever,
whether that qualifies as art.
No, that's physics, right?
But there's an art to physics.
Yeah, like, okay.
Okay, think about this, right?
Okay.
Science can be art.
Grab your water bottle.
Okay, we're having an epic movie sword fight.
Ding, ding, ding.
Okay, see, he automatically started
doing mouth sound effects.
Why?
Because metal clashing against each other,
swords clashing against each other sounds stupid and boring.
There is artistry to it.
You can't just go, well,
my physics calculations are actually correct.
Therefore, this fire is accurate simulationally
to the real world.
Like that's not how it works.
That's not how video games work.
You don't actually wanna play that game, right?
So no, there's absolutely room for artistic license
when it comes to things like buildings falling down
or when it comes to the way that grass waves in the wind
or whatever else it is.
It's absolutely art and I will not accept
any other opinion.
Sorry.
No, no, no.
There's an art to, I strongly am of the opinion
that some people are talking about like things
that separate away from that.
There is an art to making what you're,
there was something that I used to think
was really, really cool.
And I'm trying to make sure I quote it correctly.
I believe it was Morrowind.
I used to really, really, really love watching
the special edition DVDs of the making of this game
or whatever.
I remember there was a Halo one back in the day
that was super, super cool.
And there was one from Elder Scrolls,
but I don't remember if it was for Oblivion
or Morrowind or what, but it was from kind of back then.
I think it was Morrowind.
And they were talking about how they had to put
certain assets on different parts of the disc
so that it could read it faster or else the game
would have issues loading and could crash and stuff
because it would take it too long.
There's an art to that, in my opinion.
There's an art to a lot of different things.
You're gonna have to see what I had typed up
as the next thing I wanted to say here.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It doesn't just have to be things that you see, it can be-
There's an art to dealing with the technical limitations
and compromises that are inherent to gaming,
is what I said, because you would rarely be able to run
an accurate simulation in real time at 60 to 120,
or I mean, gamers are getting more demanding all the time,
240 frames per second.
Good luck with that.
To say that there was no art involved
with developing the software that got the first rocket
to the moon is crazy, in my opinion.
It was Morrowind, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think a lot of games, I mean, Sony talked about
in the PlayStation 5 launch,
how there was like some Spider-Man game
that had the same garbage can asset on the disc
like hundreds of times or something like that,
because-
That's just a waste.
They might need to grab it again.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, something like that.
One of my favorite ones is from Super Mario Bros.,
the bush and the cloud is the same thing.
It's just recolored.
Did you know that?
I have heard that, but I had forgotten.
Yes, it's really funny. So cool.
And like, yeah, thinking to do that
and knowing that you need to do things like that
and actually implementing those types of actions
and making it so that basically, unless someone told you,
you're probably not gonna notice, is so cool.
And a lot of that is, a lot of those types of things
are lost in the modern day.
You have Call of Duty downloads that are 150 gigs
and all this type of stuff,
but they are doing other artistic type of things.
I don't know. I don't know.
I just wanna do a call out for merch messages, guys.
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Don't use Twitch bits.
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And if you shop during the live stream, you can,
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The deal's down there.
You can buy a WAN hoodie and WAN sweatpants
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The discount applies automatically
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But the way it works is on the WAN show,
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Instead, you can send a message and Bell, our producer,
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Woo, there he is!
Whoa!
Bell, our producer, will curate messages
for us to respond to.
He will respond to some himself
when he knows the answer already.
And we'll also just take shout outs like,
hi mom or whatever, and put them down in the lower third.
So we're gonna get to some of those in a little bit,
but we're going to push them a little bit later in the show
cause people have asked us to do more tech topics
and then more merch messages kind of at the end.
So you wanna get those in.
It's a really cool concept cause right,
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you don't at all.
And then instead of getting just colorful text,
you get colorful text, you get a banner,
and then you also get, you know, your order in the mail,
which is pretty neat.
That is pretty neat.
It is pretty neat.
And far be it from me to just promote mindless consumerism.
If you don't need anything right now,
you can always pick up a gift card for something later.
If you like really have something
that you wanted to engage with,
gift cards do work for merch messages,
but you'll have to spend them eventually, obviously,
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That's a lot of categories.
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What do you want to do?
I'm going to let you pick the topics
and then I'm just going to live with the consequences here.
Do I rant about Google now?
Sure.
Yeah, I like it.
So my, my Friday-
You just don't want to do any of these topics, do you?
What, what do you mean?
No, I'm down.
Okay, all right.
You can't, do you want to?
Let's rant about Google.
Forbes.
Let's rant about Google.
Top creators list.
No, let's rant about Google.
Why weren't you on it?
That's not the point.
Why do you suck?
Oh my gosh.
Linus Media Group, trending down.
Not on the Forbes top creator list.
Why is this happening?
Someone explain.
I want to hear the Google story.
Okay.
Jerk.
Well, Google's also jerks.
So that's a good segue.
So we went to go launch our Chromecast fix update thing
for, for Android.
And we, we hit a wall, a fairly reasonable wall.
I don't mind hitting this wall.
It was frustrating to deal with,
but I understand why it's there.
It's the greatest wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't mind hitting this wall.
We basically had to define how we collect
and share data through our app.
So that when people are looking at apps on the app store,
they can see what those apps at least claim
they do with the data.
It was a little bit confusing
because the way that they use the term sharing
and the way that they use the term collecting
is a little bit odd.
And I, in my opinion,
and this is definitely a very subjective opinionated thing.
In my opinion, it makes it unclear to users
because if you go to the app store, app store,
let's use Netflix.
Let me know when you're ready.
No, I did app store.
I need to say play store.
I always do that.
Hold on.
Okay.
What did it used to be called?
I told myself I was never gonna forgive them
for calling it play store.
Cause they sort of sucks.
What did it used to be called?
Google marketplace?
Is that it?
I honestly don't remember.
App market?
Holy crap.
What did the play store used to be called?
We can share my screen if you want.
Oh, sure.
Android market.
Android market.
Android market.
Okay.
I actually liked that more, but that's whatever.
So you want to be able to see this essentially.
So we're looking at Netflix.
If you scroll down on Netflix, you can see data safety.
They say no data shared with third parties.
This might sound a little bit surprising.
Yeah.
Maybe not for Netflix.
They're gigantic.
Maybe they all make their own stuff.
I don't know.
Sure.
But there's quite a few different apps
that you're gonna be like,
hmm, that seems a little bit weird about.
And I'll explain why it's basically always that way.
And then you scroll down and it goes data collected.
It's like, okay, cool.
And you can expand it.
And it says like, they collect approximate location.
And these are the reasons why.
They do it for personalization, security and compliance,
fraud prevention, analytics, app functionality, whatever.
This is a very sensible tool.
I was almost gonna say good.
I don't personally think I want to go that far.
I'm gonna say very sensible.
The reason why I have issues with it
is the same reason why it took us so long
to fill out this form.
Is because we interpreted this incorrectly.
No data shared or data sharing in general.
Data collection by them is defined as anything
that is collected by your app and shared with third parties.
The sharing is not defined as sharing
if it's handed to a third party
and then processed on your behalf.
So we don't share financial data,
which was surprising to me because I would always define
that, yeah, we don't want to store your financial data.
I don't want to touch your financial data.
I want to touch your financial data as little as possible.
I want to store it nowhere.
I want no history of it.
Do you remember how stressed we were
when we were trying to implement payments on the forum
for the like contributor badges and stuff?
Terrifying.
Like basically the only thing that I don't think
I ever cared more about anything to do with that forum
then holy crap, do not store any of this.
Let's really make sure we never store any payment data.
Yeah, I don't want it.
So it goes straight to Stripe or Braintree slash PayPal
or whatever and there's other things.
We also use Firebase because we want to have some analytics
about crashes and see where problems are in the app
and some other stuff like that.
But that's data being processed on our behalf.
So it's not sharing.
I see.
That's weird to me.
If I was an average user, I mean earlier today,
I would not have interpreted it that way.
That's very weird to me.
And that makes things unclear to users in my opinion.
Okay, so that was like a little bit frustrating.
I think this tool is a sensible thing to have
but I think a lot of users are going to read it incorrectly.
So I don't know how much help it actually provides
in its current state.
We finished that.
We submit the app.
We're like, okay, sweet.
It's going to take a couple of days to actually
get sent out to people.
But hopefully people will have Chromecast fixes
before the weekend is over, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jayden pointed this out.
We figured this out during the meeting too.
And I can actually look it up right now if you want.
TikTok says it shares zero data.
Oh.
I have to find it, give me a second.
Okay, so TikTok.
On the clock and the party don't stop.
I don't remember how you get to the thing.
Let's click on this and then data safety.
Yeah, yeah.
No data is shared with third parties.
Yeah, sure.
Probably because they process it
on behalf of TikTok or whatever.
So it's just all garbage basically.
Don't worry about that thing at all.
And then, okay.
So the part that actually really blew me up
was we go to submit this bug fix and we get denied.
And Jayden's like, hey, we got denied.
Also, they said that they sent you an email
about this problem a while ago.
So like, you should have fixed it.
And I was like, what?
Okay.
So I look into it.
Yeah.
I go like view email.
Cause it's like, oh yeah, we sent this thing to you.
And you can look in the dashboard
and it'll show you the email.
I click view email.
It's head to toe Chinese.
I'm like, oh yeah.
I saw this a while ago and ignored it
because I thought it was like a phishing email
cause it's fully in Chinese.
Our account has never been set to Chinese.
I have no idea why they sent me an email
and entirely Chinese.
I'm never gonna look at that and be like,
this is definitely actually for me.
I'm gonna figure out what this says.
So I don't know my bad, I guess.
The thing that was wrong was it said
that we didn't have a link to our privacy policy.
They linked in that message to the part of the dashboard
where we're supposed to put our privacy policy in.
And I was very surprised cause I'm like, what?
We've had the same privacy policy link for years.
I click on the link.
There's our privacy policy.
I'm like, huh?
So I copy and paste it
because I have preached about this in the past.
You shouldn't just type things in
when they're in a dashboard, you should copy and paste it.
Cause I'm like, maybe there's something weird
with the slash or whatever.
Copy and paste it, dump it in the browser,
brings us straight to the privacy policy.
I have literally no idea what happened.
I think considering the email was in Chinese,
they were viewing a different app
and then just flagged us by accident.
Didn't Apple pull that too at one point?
They both have.
For the 30% commission that like they get,
you'd think that they could run it a little bit.
Yeah.
So those Chromecast fixes will get to you eventually.
I had to appeal the problem that isn't a problem.
And that is gonna take at least seven days.
And then hopefully they actually do it properly
and release it.
And then we will have to actually republish the update
and then it will take a few days from there.
So it's probably gonna be like a week and a half,
two weeks before you actually get the update.
I'm sorry.
We're doing what we can.
All right.
Should we talk about Apple's far out man announcements
or the Forbes top creator list is dumb.
You vote.
You vote.
There's one vote.
Monarch vote.
You're the new king.
Let's take a spice break and go to Apple.
Spice break.
Yeah, spice break.
All right.
This was prepared for me by Jonathan Horst.
I'm going to confess.
I was really busy this week.
I did not watch the Apple event.
All I did was read the script that was,
it was actually full on hashtag lie-ness.
I had no idea what I was reading the script about.
Alex Clark prepared it and Jonathan Horst prepared this now.
I haven't looked at any of it.
So there's a plus size, iPhone 14 and 14 Pro.
There's no new mini.
The vanilla iPhone gets a 6.7 inch size, $100 more.
Okay.
Fun fact, the difference in cost
for that slightly larger screen is not $100,
but I mean, you're buying an iPhone.
You knew that.
There's margin on everything.
Frankly, yeah.
There's margin on, there's margin on everything.
And, and, and, okay, I want to make it really clear.
I've said this before, but people don't seem to hear it.
It's not Apple's making money that I object to.
A lot of the time, it's just their attitude about it
that I find frustrating.
The fact that they will say that,
oh, it's about being environmentally conscious.
It's about this.
It's about that.
It's about user safety.
No, it's about making money.
Just own it.
So, emergency SOS satellite feature.
This is super cool.
So basically you can send off an SOS in an emergency
when you are out of cell phone signal.
Had you seen this already?
I think it's pretty cool.
Yeah, it has an app that like allows you to like fricking
line up your phone with the satellite
to get just enough signal to send out an SOS and that's it.
That's sweet.
And this is not just for emergencies.
Like this could just be if you're the kind of person
who just goes off grid for long periods at a time.
You can actually send a message to your friends
and loved ones every day or every couple of days.
Ping, I'm alive.
Ping, I'm alive.
Ping, no need to send help yet.
Ping, I'm alive.
That's fricking awesome.
Yeah, that's good.
That's a game changer.
Very good.
The pro version gets the Dynamic Island, which is-
An amazing name.
So good.
So which would you go to?
The Dynamic Island or the Lonely Island?
Ooh, there's some stuff in boxes at the Lonely Island.
Yeah, I heard there's some pretty good stuff
in boxes there.
They ever open up those boxes?
Cause like, let me tell you.
Bang.
Spicy.
Justin.
Justin.
Sorry.
It repl-
That took me a sec.
I know what you're referencing that.
It replaces the notch with a pill shaped cutout
on the OLED screen that resizes in software
for notifications, et cetera.
So they've decided not to eliminate the notch,
but rather to double down on it.
Now it is a feature.
It is not a bug.
Thick notch.
I still hate it and cool.
It's no longer a notch, guys.
It's an island.
To be clear, I hate it now.
I'll try it.
I'll try it.
I'll get an iPhone, whatever one, 14 Pro, I guess.
And I'll daily drive it for a little bit
and I'll see if it can, I'll see if it can change my opinion
when I set a timer and I get that little animation,
maybe it will completely change how I feel
about having a exit wound in the middle of my screen.
Honestly, that's one of the things that I love so much
about the Fold is it has that under screen camera.
So you just do not need to ever see the, well, okay.
So I can't find anything that's full screen
because so many apps are designed to hide stupid
hole punch cameras and notches.
Anyway, the point is, okay.
Full screen, full screen content of any kind.
I basically don't notice it and I really like it.
Speeds and feeds.
The iPhone 14 Pro gets the A16 chip.
It's four nanometer, 50% more memory bandwidth
compared to the competitors who they claim are as fast
as an A13, which I actually kind of believe at this point.
It's been Apple versus like an old man pouring out molasses
for a long time when it comes to mobile CPU speed.
Like honestly, at this point, I feel like the fact
that the iPhone 14 did not get the A16 chip.
Instead it gets the old A15 chip,
but like with five GPU cores now, like the 13 Pro.
The fact that Apple is even bothering to release faster,
newer processors at this point is an indication
that this stuff was just all on their roadmap
before they realized that the rest of the industry
was going to completely stop moving, right?
Like, I mean, they've already done all the R and D.
They might as well fab new ones, but at this point,
they're probably sitting there going,
well, these guys are so far behind.
We don't even need to bother putting these new chips
in our new phones.
And I actually see this, hold on.
I see this as a win.
Not putting a new processor in this new phone,
the iPhone 14.
Yeah, see, I knew he was going to make that face.
Hold on, I'm going to let you try and figure out
why I think it's a win.
I genuinely have no idea.
Part of Apple's calculus.
Oh no, it's still expensive.
Yeah.
If you've got a price bump actually, part of Apple's
calculus for software support is the SOC in the product.
And part of their calculus is some kind of minimum lifetime
for every product.
So when you get it, this is where I'm going now.
So there was a chip that if I recall correctly was common
to like phone iPad 2, I want to say, and like an Apple TV
or something like that.
The point is it got used very broadly
across Apple's product portfolio.
And what ultimately ended up happening was the products
that had that SOC ended up getting outsized
long-term product support because a lot of the time
the idiosyncrasies and the challenges around bringing
an updated software to a particular device
is really just about the SOC that's in that device.
So if you already had to do the work for the iPhone 14,
well, even though the 13 series is a year older,
well screw it, you might as well port it to that too.
Unless there's some huge compelling feature
that is integral to the new version of the OS
and you really need to drop that older device,
which clearly ain't the case here.
I suspect that this will mean an extra year of updates
for iPhone 13 users.
There's no way Apple would ever confirm something like this,
but I suspect based on their track record
that we will actually see that, which is cool.
That's good.
Yeah, I dig that.
I dig that a lot actually.
Price bump, you mentioned it in most places,
except China, Canada, the US where it's 799
for an iPhone 14 and 999 for an iPhone 14 Pro.
Sick, but everywhere else gets a price bump,
which is pretty sweet, I guess.
Speeds and feeds, oh yeah, I talked about that.
Camera updates, Apple claims two to three X improvements
in low light performance, sensors and aperture are bigger.
There's now a photonic engine,
even processing the photos more.
Okay, cool.
And the Pro gets a brand new 48 megapixel sensor
on the main camera, allowing a two X telephoto option.
I guess that's about it.
I mean, there's the new watch.
Frankly, I can't say that I am that impressed.
Like there's lots of cool stuff, I guess.
The Ultra model can be used as a dive computer
up to 40 meters deep.
So that's around 120 feet.
It has an action button to integrate with fitness apps
and scenarios, 36 hour battery, 60 hour
with low power setting in a coming update
and two speakers for an 86 decibel emergency siren.
Okay, that's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool.
I mean, user safety is a big deal.
I like stuff like that, I'm totally down.
If one of the greatest things about smartphone
is that it combined a bunch of devices into one
and not just like, oh, I can listen to music, right?
So it's like a boombox and a cell and a normal cell phone,
but also flashlights, right?
No, it's not the best flashlight ever,
but you can get a flashlight on there that you can do work
but you can find little things with it or whatever.
Adding more things to that pile is good, why not?
One of the other new features for both the Series 8
and the Ultra is a body temperature sensor
to track changes over time to enhance cycle tracking.
So like menstrual cycle tracking
and provide a retrospective estimate
of when someone has ovulated,
which could be useful for fairly obvious reasons.
Warning, if you're in certain states.
Okay, so that's actually one of the other things
that we were gonna talk about.
I guess we're gonna take a little,
we're gonna do a little side quest here.
Okay, sorry, I didn't.
We received some mixed comments
on our coverage of the Apple Far Out video
with regard to our statement
about the Apple Watch Ultra's ability
to track women's bodily rhythms,
but then keep that data secure and secret,
even from Apple, from everyone.
So we noted that this degree of privacy is important today
given the fact that in some states now,
abortion has suddenly gone from legal to illegal
and such data could be weaponized
against the woman who generated that data.
Now, my personal position on this issue is that A,
it's more complex for me than this side or this side
and B, it's not something anyone asked me about.
So with that said, my comment in the video
was not an attempt to wade into
the US abortion conversation.
I have no desire to do that whatsoever.
My point was that laws are not static
and regardless of your stance on Roe versus Wade
or whatever the hot button issue of the day is,
whether it's 2FA or something else,
you should support the right
to maintain the privacy of your data
and as such, you should never,
not even if it's the other guys,
you should never support the practice
of your own healthcare data being used against you.
That's actually a huge thing.
There's a lot of insurance companies
that are very enthusiastically buying your,
when you submit DNA to various DNA companies
to figure out your lineage, whatever.
Those companies, as far as my understanding goes,
are making the lion's share of their money,
just selling all of your data to insurance companies
so they can charge you more.
Luke and I have talked about this
pretty extensively in the past.
There was one WAN show in particular
where we discussed a smart toilet
that would analyze your urine
and I think your stool as well to help screen for diseases
and our positions do vary a little on some of these issues
but I think it's fair to say that we agree
that these could be useful technologies
but also that they can have very dangerous knock-on effects.
So just understand the issues
and make the decisions for yourself.
They could dramatically increase health insurance premiums,
for example, for at-risk individuals
through no fault of their own
and the truly scary part of all of this
is the uncontrolled way that this data moves around
after it's been collected through data sharing agreements
and corporate acquisitions.
Frankly, I believe our unease
around the collection of personal data
and desire to keep it private should not be a partisan issue
and if you think it's a partisan issue,
you need to wake up because this is a problem.
What if tomorrow, okay,
the Apple Watch used its accelerometers and its microphones
to track how fast you drive your car
and Apple was forced to fire over a little SMS message
to law enforcement
every time you went five miles over the limit?
How'd you feel about that?
What if what you were doing was totally safe
or what if it was necessary due to an emergency?
Remember the bit about laws changing that I just mentioned?
What if prohibition came back into effect
and your Apple Watch used its temperature
and heart rate monitors to detect a state of intoxication?
Should it draft a little email for the cops
and your insurance company
and let them know about your little indulgence
or probably also know if you're driving at the same time
or should that information be secure
and belong only to you?
The bottom line is this, women's rights are human rights
and when it comes to protecting private health information,
people across the aisle should be absolutely united.
That is all I have to say about that.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
AirPods Pro second generation.
Now featuring the H2 processor
with improvements to sound processing,
active noise cancellation, they claim 2X more,
whatever that means, personalized spatial audio
and they offer adaptive transparency
which minimizes loud sound intensity.
That's kind of cool.
I don't know that I would use something like that
at like maybe like a concert or something.
I often use my AirPods Pros,
actually, oh, I know what I would use them for.
I often use them just as like earplugs,
like when I'm working on tools and stuff.
So having a transparency mode
that will take a bit of the edge off of like a table saw
or something like that,
that would be actually pretty sick.
Okay, so I will obviously buy these, daily drive them.
My first gen AirPods Pros
are in pretty rough shape at this point.
One of them is getting kind of like
scratchy crackly sounding.
Oh, dang.
Yeah, the battery life's not what it was.
So I'm stoked, I'm stoked.
There's a volume slider.
You can slide the finger up and down
on the touch control to adjust volume.
That sounds pretty cool.
I sleep in them.
So I hope that moving my head around
is not gonna do anything.
I've had issues with my Sennheisers.
Those are my backup or like sound really good ones.
And then it's the LG FP8s for like better comfort.
I don't, I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night
with dead earphones.
And I've, ever since we had kids,
like I need something in order to sleep.
So I'll have to, I'll swap my earphones
to something that has a battery
and then try and go back to sleep.
I know, right?
Oh, it's dumb.
I didn't realize that was a,
since you had kids thing,
I thought that was just forever.
No, since I had kids, yeah.
Cause, well, no, I used to need complete silence to sleep.
But then once that wasn't an option
and Yvonne was gonna be the one with the kid
particularly when our son was born.
Since she was gonna be the one with him during the day
and she was gonna get to like nap during the day,
I had to be able to sleep sometimes for longer periods
cause I was gonna go to work,
like, you know, new company and stuff.
So I had to learn.
I had to find something that would help me tune out
whatever was going on around me.
And that's what I settled on.
And now I, now it's a crutch.
Yeah.
Now I can't get over it.
Oh, there's a new extra small silicone tip.
The second gen tips are not compatible first gen.
Okay.
Better charging case.
You want chip my blop.
Oh, a speaker for finding it, which is nice.
Plus a lanyard loop.
Nice.
Battery life up to six hours fancy
and 30 hours included with the case total.
Okay.
And still 250 bucks.
I'm in.
Someone's saying- I'm so in.
How do you feel about Apple still not putting USB-C on them?
Pretty good question.
Functionally, it doesn't matter.
I already own lightning cables everywhere
I need to charge my AirPods.
For me, it doesn't matter.
However, I would like to see the industry
moving towards standardization on USB-C
sooner rather than later.
And I wish Apple wasn't just dragging ass on this
for no obvious reason.
It's like, they can certainly afford to redo the tooling
of the outer case to make a slightly bigger hole.
So there, that's what I have to say.
Yep.
Next topic.
Can you please not pick something controversial?
There's nothing not controversial.
I was gonna say, is there anything left?
Merch messages.
Bill hit us with a couple.
Hey, Jasko.
Okay, sure.
We can talk about Jasko.
Or we can do merch messages for a bit and Jasko after.
Let's do a couple.
Let's do a couple.
Let's do Jasko after that.
Hello.
First question here-
Oh, I was about to turn it on.
Is from Sebastian.
Look at that.
We've got a producer cam now.
Look at this guy.
I hope you like this side of my head.
Nice hoodie by the way.
Yeah, why isn't it-
Thank you, ltjster.com.
So the first question here is from Sebastian.
I was thinking about getting an aura ring,
but I don't like the price and subscription system
of the third gen.
I was thinking about getting a use gen two.
I'd like to ask what your battery life was like
and how you feel about using it over the last few years.
My battery life was really good on the gen two.
I am also not a fan of the subscription service,
but I gotta tell you,
I don't think getting a gen two
helps you avoid the subscription service.
At least that's my understanding.
I could be wrong.
It could be that the gen three is subscription only
unless you are grandfathered in
cause you were an existing gen two owner
who bought a gen three.
That's what I did.
That's how I ended up grandfathered in.
You can see I'm actually not wearing mine.
The biggest problem I have with the gen three
is that they stopped doing half sizes.
So I'm an eight and a half and nine is too big.
It comes on and off very easily.
And eight is so difficult to get on and off
that I find myself just not bothering to charge it.
So if the sizing works perfectly for you,
honestly, I was really happy with the thing.
It's by far the best health and fitness tracker experience
I've had.
I can't say that I know it was the most accurate.
Have you ever used Whoop?
No, I haven't used Whoop.
Okay, so it's the best one that I've had.
I was actually just like wondering,
I'm not like, you haven't tried this one.
Miles ahead of my experience with the Apple watch.
I'd be like driving home after badminton
and it'd be like, keep it up.
What are you talking about?
The ring would never make those kinds of mistakes.
Or I would be, I would be actively playing.
I'd be on the court and it'd be like,
you need to stand up and move around a bit.
Meanwhile, the ring's like, you're going hard, dude.
Like, yes, I'm like drenched in sweat.
My Apple watch is like, hey, hey, potato guy,
maybe you should touch some grass.
Yeah, exactly right.
Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.
So I, oh man, yeah, it's tough.
I was really happy with my experience with it
when it fit properly.
But the subscription model for it,
I think is a tougher sell.
But I also, in their case,
do understand why they're doing it.
They have done a lot of development on the software
in the time that I've been using the product.
And something's gotta pay for that.
So there, it's nuanced.
Oh, I should, you know what?
Just in the interest of full disclosure,
Uber has reached out about sponsoring us.
The first ring I got, I got a gen one that they sent
because they were gonna do some kind of sponsorship.
Or was it a gen two?
I don't know.
I got one ring comped.
Maybe it was a gen two.
And then they were like gonna do a sponsorship or something,
but then they just didn't.
But then I was just using it and liked it.
And then they contacted me as a gen two.
Yeah, it must've been a gen two.
As a gen two owner and said,
hey, if you upgrade to the gen three,
you get grandfathered in for the lifetime subscription,
but you have to do it now before the gen three launches.
And I was like, oh, it shouldn't pre-order,
but I actually really liked this thing.
So I bought a gen three,
which unfortunately now that they don't do half sizes
has been actually less useful to me
in a certain way of thinking.
And then now they have come back and they're saying,
they're interested in sponsoring us again.
So the relationship with them is a little complicated
is all I'm trying to say.
So you can take everything I said about them
with that in mind there.
So I have bought one.
Meanwhile, my comment on Whoop was not a recommendation.
Their onboarding process,
as someone pointed out in flow plane,
I agree is like a little wacky and I don't like it.
You don't see a lot of charts
until you've had it for 30 days
and the return window is 30 days long.
Also the subscription is like really expensive.
I don't know how expensive the Oura ring is,
but the Whoop is really expensive.
Yeah, Rohanology.
Me falling asleep after an exercise routine
in my Apple Watch ending up recording a two hour nap
as exercise time happened regularly.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm talking about.
Next question here is from Cameron.
Have you ever considered developing a custom GPT-3 model
using past LTT scripts and video stats
to help writers write scripts faster,
similar to GitHub's co-pilot?
I'm gonna be honest with you.
We don't look backwards much.
One of the strongest critiques I can give of a script is,
this is very 2019 LTT.
We are always trying to evolve.
We're always trying to do things differently.
Every once in a while, nobody's perfect.
We'll get lazy or we'll make a mistake
or we'll do something that is not forward thinking,
but it has never really been my way of handling things
to dwell on the past.
It's one of the reasons that I think
our daily release schedule works so well for us
because we don't have time to dwell on the past.
Okay, today's video, not performing great.
Okay, time to think about tomorrow's video, right?
So I honestly, I'm not gonna say never
because man, some of that stuff
is getting pretty incredible,
but I don't see us trying to utilize AI writing
anytime in the near future.
We don't have the bandwidth for it right now,
but I've thought about some stuff
where it might be able to be useful,
but I wouldn't say in writing scripts,
I would almost say in suggestion type format.
Like if we were feeding data into it
based on watch time metrics
and all this other type of stuff,
being able to suggest, make sure that something,
and it should try to like read the script
and figure out how long it's gonna take.
And it could insert like a,
make sure you have something punchy here
or like blah, blah, blah, blah.
This is the best place for your LTT store call to action.
Trying to like massage it a little bit,
but not writing it for people
because of exactly what you said
about not looking into the past.
But yeah, we don't have the bandwidth for it right now.
But I think there's things we could do with development
to try to help little bits kind of all around the business.
It's just deciding where the biggest impact is.
And I don't think it's there right now.
Yeah, that's fair.
Okay, one more for now.
Question here from Anon.
How many jobs did the two of you have before starting LTT?
Do you have any advice before breaking into the job market?
I had a ton.
I had a lot.
I started working really early.
My parents are freaking awesome,
but we weren't like wealthy growing up.
So having a job was like a good idea.
I don't know.
I also didn't mind working.
So yeah, I had a ton of jobs.
Breaking into the job market depends on your age
and it depends on your experience entirely.
For me, when I first broke into the job market,
it didn't matter.
Walk to whatever store
or walk to whoever person's house.
Some of the things I did-
Oh yeah, everyone was hiring at that point.
I remember noting,
I remember noticing the quality
of subway sandwiches going down dramatically
in that several year period,
because it was like they would hire
literally anyone off the street.
There was nobody stayed at a job for very long.
Once they were trained, they're just out of there.
Nobody was trained.
I'm talking potentially before that.
I started working before I could legally have a job.
I'm talking about like 2000,
like man, when, okay, when was it?
It was when I was getting my scuba certification.
So it would have been around 2010.
I'm talking like 2001.
Oh, okay.
Well, carry on.
Yeah, so how I first started doing things
is like I would walk around my neighborhood
and see like, oh, someone's doing a landscaping project.
Can I offer to help for relatively
like not okay amounts of money?
Because they'll probably say yes,
but I could get some work.
I could get some money.
And I didn't really mind it.
I'm like shoveling or whatever.
It's a type of physical activity.
I didn't really care.
Or I'd mow lawns or one of the like main first things
that I got was just delivering newspapers, which sucks.
It's a terrible job.
Yeah.
And then yeah, a bunch of other stuff.
So it really depends on like
when you're hitting into the market.
It's something that I always say for developers
is try to build a portfolio,
build something, do something, make it kind of cool.
And that'll get a lot of traction for you.
Like genuinely do stuff on GitHub,
make it so your code can be seen.
One of the most frustrating,
but understandable things is when someone applies
and they have nothing to show at all,
because they're like,
oh, I've been working professionally in the industry
for 10, 15 years.
And just like your developers, a lot of my stuff,
not maybe all of it,
but the stuff that is there is open source contribution.
And I don't want to share that account or whatever.
Like there's nothing for me to see.
So it's like, okay, well,
now I'm going to have to get you to do some stuff.
So if you don't have experience to throw at people,
you have your three things, right?
You can throw portfolio as in like things you've made,
some examples of your work.
You can throw experience, you can throw education.
Each one of those are entirely viable.
And I know myself definitely,
but a lot of other recruiters these days
are looking quite heavily into experience and portfolio
and less into education.
Education is really expensive.
Not everyone can afford it,
but some of those people that can't afford it
might be really, really good.
And it's worth looking into them.
My entire employment history can be found on LinkedIn.
My first job was as a day camp counselor
during my exchange to Quebec at Parc et Terrain de Jeux.
I was like an assistant camp counselor.
I didn't speak French very well,
but boy, did I ever try hard.
Learned some of the songs and everything.
Wow.
Je t'appe les mains, tack-a-lack, tack-a-lack,
je t'appe les mains, tack-a-lack, tack-a-lack.
AJ, rip him apart.
Yeah. Go AJ, go, whatever.
Then I was a lifeguard and swimming lessons instructor
from 2004 to 2005 at the Maple Ridge Parks
and Leisure Centre.
That sort of faded away because I went to school in 2005
and it was not realistic to be working
while also attending UBC full-time
and commuting a total of about three and a half hours a day
from Eastern Maple Ridge to UBC
at the like West end of Vancouver.
Then I was recruited during my first year of school
as a student works painting franchisee.
So technically I was self-employed during this period,
even though I didn't fully understand that at the time.
I thought that I kind of had the backing
of a larger organization behind me.
In practice though, if someone doesn't pay you,
they do absolutely nothing to sort it out.
You are essentially an independent owner operator.
So thanks for that student works.
Then I quit student works,
definitely abandoned my contractual obligation
out of both, well, this was a period of,
I guess it's probably fair to call it depression,
even if it wasn't diagnosed,
it's pretty much textbook case.
This was not working for me.
So between how I was feeling already about the job
and the feeling of abandonment
when we had that payment issue
and then just kind of been like, see you later.
I walked away and I went to work at NCIX
cause I loved just like talking about computers
and helping people configure computers.
And I only lasted six months
because I went back to student works.
See how these overlap a little bit.
So I started at NCIX,
then I knew I had to go back to student works in the summer.
So I was only there till May.
And then when I came back,
they actually didn't send me back to the store.
So you can see here, here's how it went.
December to May, I worked at NCIX part-time.
Then from May to June, I was at student works.
Then I walked away and in July, I was back at NCIX.
So as the PC systems business unit manager,
I configured the PCs.
I ended up actually building a lot of the PCs,
including a junior employee.
This is Ivan.
Man, what else?
I filled this out like really well
because I was updating this at a time
when it wasn't certain that this whole
Linus Media Group thing was gonna work out
and I was trying to get a job.
There's an LMG clip of the, I think,
of the time that I tried to apply for Amazon.
That took place during this time.
Man, can you imagine what a different life I'd have
if they had hired me as their like,
it was like social media video coordinator
or something like that.
Like I was an absolute dream fit for the job
and I never even got contacted back.
I was like, yeah, there's these channels
with like over a million,
I think I already had a gold play button
for NCIX Tech Tips.
And like, can you imagine not hiring that person
for your like social video role?
And I think it was because the job requirements
were that you had to have a bachelor's degree and I didn't.
So I probably never even made it to a real human being.
I think I would have been a catch.
I think y'all missed out.
So anyway, I think I probably could have done
some social media video stuff for you.
That's a Luke Tech Tips dark timeline.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So then I was promoted to product manager,
lasted in that role for six years.
I was also like a category manager as part of this.
Man, I was actually like pretty good at this.
Sorry about that.
Cut daily POs, managed a personal product portfolio
from $0 to $2 million of monthly revenue.
I rejuvenated a lot of troubled lines.
NCIX was selling, like I kid you not,
like 20 MSI motherboards a month
when I took over that line.
And we were like hundreds a week
by the time I was done with it.
OCZ was selling basically nothing
when I took over that line.
And they were our biggest SSD and DRAM vendor
by the time I was done with it.
They didn't go under until I was out.
So that wasn't my problem, thankfully.
Yeah, that's why.
No, no, no, I had nothing to do with that.
Maybe it's your fault.
No, no.
Then I have some like other roles.
I had multiple jobs at NCIX.
I was YouTube video social media project coordinator.
See, I did some stuff.
Total of 85 million video views
and 325,000 subscribers.
Okay, apparently I did not have a million subscribers
at that point.
Oh no, that's right.
That happened way later.
We were at the Langley House.
Nevermind, nevermind.
With less than $10,000 invested.
Let me tell you, let me tell you.
I buffered the crap out of that.
There was far less than $10,000 invested.
I was trying to account
for every possible equipment expenditure
that we could have had.
We spent nothing on NCIX tech tips.
And then category manager for a couple of years.
So that's basically overseeing product managers.
So yeah, I worked with OCZ, Intel, Nvidia, AMD,
Antec, Corsair, Asus, MSI, EVGA, and many, many more.
That was pretty cool.
By the time I left,
I was one of the most senior people in the company,
even though I was only, what does this work out to?
20, 26 years old.
Dig at him more?
Why?
Dig at me?
Yeah, someone's telling me to dig at you.
The only, okay.
So one piece of feedback that Chat gave you
is that you're not supposed to have stuff that far back
on your LinkedIn,
but he's also not actively looking for a job.
Yeah, and like-
So who cares?
And like, honestly, I,
well, what am I supposed to just have this job?
I've been here for almost 10 years.
Yeah, so at this point, I think basically, yeah.
Well, what do you mean you're not supposed to like?
Like you shouldn't have your like painter stuff on there.
Oh yeah, that's stupid.
Yeah.
I just, I was memeing.
Yeah.
I was just like, you know what?
Okay, so part of it was that I was wanting to get a job.
The other part of it was that I,
like I used to keep a diary when I was in high school
and it's like, it's pretty cool to go back and look
at that stuff.
So my concept here when I was creating this
was that it would be as complete as possible,
more as much for my own entertainment as anything else.
So I put as much information into like the NCIX stuff,
which I obviously remembered a lot better
because it was current.
I put as much information as I thought I could put in there
without, you know, disclose it without breaking my NDA
with NCIX, like disclosing business secrets.
So I have sales growth in units
while remaining excellent customer satisfaction
and achieving GP margin targets from 2006 to 2012, a 440%.
That's my, that's the sales growth of my lines.
And I'm not gonna lie, I spent actual work time
digging into our reports and our internal system
to compile this for my LinkedIn.
Wow.
While I was seeking employment elsewhere.
Fired.
Bad, bad Linus.
Well, they didn't fire me.
They asked me for six months notice actually
is what they actually did when I tried to quit.
Something like that.
That's a lot, that's a lot of notice.
Yeah, well, I was trying to negotiate
for buying this channel
that you're watching this video on for a dollar, right?
So that was the whole thing.
Yeah.
Twitch staff is watching me.
What?
Twitch staff watching, multi-streaming.
Get out.
Wait, what?
Get out.
Why are we multi-streaming to multiple platforms?
Luke, why would you build a tool to do this?
I think they don't care anymore.
Oh, well.
You're allowed to stream to other platforms
but not at the same time.
Get owned, Twitch.
That's probably worth explaining.
Should we explain that?
Get wrecked, Twitch.
Really?
Are you going to be like that about it?
Wait, what do you want to explain?
Sorry.
I want to explain why we're allowed to do that.
Oh, because we signed our contract really early?
Well, it's not just really early.
It's not early and not later.
It's at an exact moment in time.
We're trying to MCN?
Yes.
So we've had a lot of people ask us over the years,
hey, what's the deal?
So in the early days of the WAN show, it was,
hey, non-gaming streams aren't allowed on Twitch.
What are you guys doing?
Now IRL exists.
So there's lots of talk shows on Twitch.
Nobody asks about that anymore.
But now the big thing is, hey, you guys multi-stream.
You guys stream to YouTube, Twitch,
your own float plane thing.
We actually even stream to Facebook now all concurrently.
And you guys know you're breaking Twitch's TOS, right?
The answer is that we joined Twitch
at a time when serendipitously Twitch was looking.
So I wanted to have some kind of foothold in live.
I saw that live was this thing
and some people were really successful in it.
I think it was my idea more than yours.
Your idea?
Like the first Q and A?
Yeah.
Are you sure?
Yeah, I pushed you to do it because of the car talks.
Well, you convinced me.
So however we came to it,
it was clear that live was going to be a force
on the internet.
I had no idea.
And it's probable that when we talked about it,
I would have said,
my hesitation is that I have no idea what this looks like.
It was very outside of our wheelhouse.
There's actually a big difference between VOD and live.
Yeah, I have no idea how we make this make any sense.
I have no idea how we make this make any money.
I have no idea how to do this.
There were a lot of challenges.
And so we started out with just like a Q and A
and Twitch was really, I mean,
YouTube I don't think had live streaming yet at that point.
Yep.
So we started out doing some live streams on Twitch
and then it over time became the WAN show.
And after a while,
what happened was we were this kind of like unique situation.
I think Luke like knew some people at Twitch,
which was how we didn't get kicked off
for streaming non-gaming stuff in the early days.
That's how that went down, right?
Then things went to another level because Twitch.
I will also say that it helped a lot
because one of the reasons why they had the whole,
like you got to do games thing
was because it was a question about moderation.
So they weren't against us doing it.
They were also a little,
cause they didn't want other people to start doing it
because we were doing it
because they didn't want to deal with the moderation of that
and all this other stuff.
But it was, they were just like, yeah, it's fine.
We want you to do it anyways, it's fine.
Got it.
So anyway, cause part of the conversation
was that they did want to branch out of gaming.
Like they had that kind of in the back of their minds.
So at some point they approached us
and they wanted to get into the MCN business.
So like doing brand deals
and getting like a portfolio of like YouTube creators
and basically skimming some of your revenue
to fund their efforts to go get brand deals
to hopefully sell ads against your videos
and bring you brand deals
that more than outweigh the cost of joining the MCN.
That was the theory of the MCN model in practice.
What it actually turned out to be was a big grift
where MCNs skimmed revenue from you and that was about it.
I don't think that that was the intention
of any of the people we dealt with at Twitch.
But one of the things that happened
as part of that negotiation
was YouTube streaming did exist by that point.
And we basically said, actually,
we cannot be a primarily YouTube centric brand
and company and channel
and be exclusively streaming to Twitch.
And if you're our YouTube MCN,
how does that make any sense
for you to not allow us to stream on YouTube?
Clearly, this is stupid.
And they basically went,
oh, okay, well, we'll get you a carve out for that.
So that's how it went down.
So we are allowed to multi-stream.
I believe the subject of our contract
was brought up at some point years later
where there was a desire to un-make it a unicorn.
And I basically said, nope.
And that was the end.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much it.
All my-
My apologies for not remembering
that you pushed to do live.
I remember-
No, it's fine.
I remember being hesitant.
I remember recognizing that that was something
that we needed to have some kind of foothold in.
But I don't remember you being the one
who planted the seed.
I think that's the reason
why that was my first show on camera.
It was because I was pushing for live a bunch.
Yeah, I don't-
I'm not certain about that though.
Well, no, maybe that was part of us
like figuring out how to make live make any sense.
That might've been it too.
Because I remember it being just like exhausting
and not interesting content to just sit and do Q&A
because people would just keep asking the same questions.
Yeah.
So maybe that was where it came from.
I didn't have a car
and we would very often work past
when the buses would run.
So Linus would drive me home all the time.
And we would have these conversations on the drive home.
And I would often find myself sitting there thinking like,
man, I think a lot of people would want to hear this
because we're talking about like the tech news
of the week essentially and all this other type of stuff.
Like, I think this is a lot
of decently interesting conversation.
We should put it somewhere.
It doesn't really make sense to be a VOD.
We should have a live show.
And then, yeah, then that's where the Q&A stream came from.
Gilmore, do you have any thoughts on that?
Gilmore D asks, what happened that week
where you were banned from Twitch a few years ago?
I don't remember that much.
Did we ever get banned from Twitch?
I don't remember that.
Yeah, sorry.
I don't know.
Digi Dude asks,
does LMG still have anything to do with full screen MCN?
That's a good question.
I actually need to check Social Blade
to find out if they are our MCN.
So I will get back to you in one moment.
It says here who your MCN is.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think we unlinked with them a while back
and it was basically,
I don't remember the terms around which we parted with them,
but our deal with full screen
pretty much was not very favorable to full screen
and in the same manner,
they kept trying to renegotiate it with us
and we kept saying, actually no,
because a signed contract is a signed contract.
And at some point they basically went,
well, okay, you need to go.
And we kind of went,
well, we're taking our data with us
because you guys may not know this,
but the monetization data,
like your historical monetization data on your channel
can be lost in the transition between MCNs
or from an MCN back to just a vanilla YouTube channel.
And so there was some technical details
to sort out for our transition.
So it ended up taking quite a lot of time,
but we are apparently not with full screen anymore.
Frankly, they never really did much for us
when we were the other,
and we never really did anything for them either.
So absolutely true.
Yeah.
So should we do a couple of merch messages?
Sure.
Yes.
Delayed reaction.
First question here we have from Laura.
Hello Linus and Luke.
I love the show, keep up the great content,
but I was wondering if other than GPUs,
what PC parts you should avoid when buying secondhand?
Oh, I don't think you should avoid GPUs at all.
So I read this earlier,
that was gonna be a strong part of my response too.
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.
No, no, I'm just saying I agree.
And I wouldn't necessarily avoid buying
any PC parts secondhand.
There are things that I would be way more careful about,
mostly motherboards. Storage.
And storage.
Secondhand storage is just-
Secondhand storage is pretty sketch.
Often not worth it.
There are cases where I've put secondhand storage
in our production editing server,
but those were enterprise grade drives.
You could actually go into the drives
and see what their power on hours were,
see what their bytes written were.
A savvy shopper can buy secondhand storage in certain cases,
but for the average consumer
is not something that I would recommend.
Yeah, you have to,
this is something that I run into
trying to buy secondhand storage all the time too,
is you shop around, you find a good deal
and you're like, okay, sweet.
And then you go look at how much it would cost
to just buy a new one.
And it's like the same price.
I don't know what's up with that.
I don't get it.
But the storage secondhand market
has always been kind of trash.
So you're probably not even,
it's probably not even worth doing at all.
But if you do make sure you're very careful about it.
And that should be because your budget is like really tight.
Also with stuff like motherboards,
make sure you inspect them closely.
And if the person's like, no, then don't buy it.
Yeah.
4ShrugIDK says you should buy like 20 to 50
used mining GPUs on eBay,
have the lab test them,
running them 24 seven for gaming
and see how they perform.
That's a cool idea.
We already did it.
It's coming out soon.
We bought 20.
So stay tuned.
But no, if it works, it works.
And buyer protections on these used platforms like eBay
are so good now that if it doesn't work,
there is a strong chance
that you will be able to get your money back.
So yeah, really the big one for me is storage.
I'm a little less wary of used motherboards than Luke is,
but he's not wrong either.
Especially because he used motherboard,
it can be not obvious that it's bad immediately.
Whereas with a GPU,
it's actually usually obvious very quickly.
You run some kind of intensive application
like FurMark or a game benchmark or something like that.
And you should see artifacting.
Or if you're monitoring the clock speeds,
you should see them dip.
You should see something go wrong pretty much right away.
And if it doesn't go wrong right away,
then it probably has some life left in it.
As much as when it was new, okay, probably not, but some.
Yep.
Next question here is from Lorenzo.
Has there been a specific moment
when either of you felt you realized
that you'd made it big as YouTubers?
I think there was two for me.
One of them was-
Two, hold on.
I like answering Luke's questions for him.
I forget what stupid event it was.
Was it, it was like, I think it was PAX East or something
where it wasn't like the attendees
that kept like crowding around you.
It was the other like creator influencers.
Oh, Twitch.
TwitchCon?
That was a weird experience.
Oh, that wasn't one of the ones you were thinking?
So it, this one specifically said you realized you made it.
So I thought of really early things.
Oh, I see, I see, I see.
There's definitely like big moments where I'm like,
okay, this is another like level.
I remember you talking about that one, like.
That one was very cool, but very weird because, okay.
So events like PAX, it's pretty common.
I mean, maybe not these days.
I haven't been to a PAX in a long time
and I'm not on as much content.
So people might not recognize me much,
but back when I was hosting a lot of stuff,
it was very common that it was like almost difficult
to walk around because so many people would come up
and say hi, and that was a cool experience.
And I'm happy to say hi to everybody.
I go to TwitchCon, different group of people.
Nobody knows who he is.
We're not Twitch people so much.
We do WAN Show, but we don't do anything else.
So none of the attendees know who the heck I am,
but there's creators breaking their attendee lines
to leave to come say hi because they know who I am
because I mean, they need streaming computers.
Yeah, it was so cool.
It was sweet.
And Munition was like, yeah,
you like taught me how to build computers.
I was like, shut up.
I met up with day nine, Mr. Sean Plott,
someone who I've been a fan of for a long time.
And he was like, oh, your lies, tech tips, whoa.
And I'm like, that hurts my brain.
No part of my brain was ready for him to know who we are
and also be super impressed.
So that was sweet.
He's super, super nice dude on and off camera.
But yeah, that was a bit of an eye-opener for sure.
I think my two first moments was,
I remember the first packs that we went to,
I was in the indie booth.
I've told you this one a bunch of times.
I was in the indie booth and I was doing my like quick sales
pitch for why the guy should interview with me.
And I say like how many subscribers we have.
And he's like, well, if you want a million,
you should probably like interview with me.
Cause we weren't at a million yet.
And I was pissed and I'm pretty sure I just left.
I don't, I don't remember exactly what happened.
Brandon might remember it, but I was like really mad.
Wow.
Cause I wasn't even trying to say,
I wasn't even trying to say like, you know,
like we're the best.
I was just like, we're a decently sized channel.
We're at the indie booth.
I can give you some coverage.
Like, do you want to jump on?
And he's like, I was like, what the heck?
I was not a fan of that.
And then we broke a million.
So like breaking that first million had that extra punch
for me cause I'm like, screw that guy.
That's hilarious. Okay.
And then the other one was when my,
my Twitter follower account surpassed the combined follower
account for all of the hosts of the radio show that I
listened to when I was growing up.
Okay. Yeah.
That's something.
I was like, okay, wow.
Yeah. Very few radio hosts have managed to successfully
make it over to social media.
I remember noticing that back when I was listening to like
sports talk radio a lot, maybe I guess a few years back.
I just like, I'd be like, yeah, these guys are like huge.
They're on the radio.
They have all these people like calling in and I'd gotten
on Twitter and they have like 900 followers and stuff.
Like they've been on the air for like 15 years.
What is this?
But just completely different audiences, right?
Like you got your boomer radio listeners
and then you got your young Twitter users
and a line between them, a solid line.
Yeah.
I think for me, there are, I mean,
there's a number of big ones that stand out.
I mean, I'd say, I'd say getting our first, you know,
check that covered our monthly expenses as a company
was a really big one.
I would say that getting a YouTube representative was huge
because not just me personally,
but tech as a category had been largely shoved to the side
at that point, getting as an escalation point
from that one, getting invited to top creator summit
was pretty cool for me.
The biggest one though,
and I know that this is gonna sound like a cheesy answer,
but it's the truth.
And I'm pretty sure Luke will remember me saying it
at the time, probably the biggest one for me,
because the goal has always been,
I wanna be a real company, right?
And being a real company is more than just building fame
and reputation and wealth for yourself.
It's building it for the entire team.
And so one of the biggest moments for me was when
I forget who exactly it was that was like the wow moment,
but it was someone relatively peripheral on our team
getting like recognized on the street in my presence.
And someone being like, whoa, I'm a huge fan,
where I kind of went, okay, that's what I want.
Like, I wanna be the, I wanna be like,
you know, thinking like Warcraft three, right?
Like I wanna be the hero that has like the aura
that makes everyone around me a superstar,
because that, that is next level.
So that was, that's always been something in my mind.
And I felt that that was really, really exciting.
Last weekend, when we were kayaking,
we went past those guys and one of them recognized you,
right?
Like, I can't go anywhere at this point.
I'm not, honestly, I'm not trying to like,
be like, oh, I'm so cool.
We're literally on the ocean.
I'm in a kayak in the water and someone paddles past
and is like, sup Linus.
Did you hear what happened after?
No.
And then him and his friends look at me
and not super quietly, but not to me,
are like, is that Luke?
And then they all just stare at me and no one says anything.
And they just go by.
None of them even like tried.
They're just like, ugh.
Clearly you got that intimidation aura.
It's so weird.
I don't know.
Oh man.
I don't know how to deal with it anymore.
Cause I've been inside and also off camera.
So like at the, at the screwdriver pop-up,
someone introduced their partner and they were like,
they're so excited to see you.
You're their favorite one or whatever.
And my whole, everything was just like, duh.
I don't know how to respond to this properly.
I actually felt really bad afterwards, but.
Hey, I mean, with all the Luke for CEO threads on Reddit
and stuff lately, it seems like,
it seems like the Luke fandom is strong.
You know what I was, I was,
I don't know if you noticed when you were over,
but all the RGB is set up in the shelves
in my streaming room.
And I have like a bunch of memorabilia
that I've always just had boxed away.
You saw it.
I actually love that that's there.
I have a slick tech tips mouse pad that was produced by,
wasn't it one of the forum mods or something?
It's a super old school reference to one.
I think it's the first April Fools that the forum had
where we changed the, I wasn't even the one that did it,
but we changed the whole forum to slick tech tips.
That was like an April Fools joke.
And it went like really far.
If I remember it went like into the ACP and everything,
like it was like, yeah.
Like probably more work than it was worth kind of thing.
Yeah, exactly.
But that was from back then.
Yeah, that was great.
There, oh, there was something I was going to say.
Oh yeah, right.
This is a perfect segue into one of our other topics.
Maybe I haven't made it at all.
Forbes just released their top creators list of 2022.
These 49 social media savants and one dog
are redefining celebrity for our connected age.
Money, fame, maxi, that's what it takes to qualify
for Forbes first ever ranking
of the most powerful influencers on the internet.
None of which you have.
They're compelling, often quirky content is consumed
by millions and the world's top brands
happily spend millions to sponsor it.
Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Some fantastic creators on here
and I'm gonna let you finish, but Linus is not on it.
No, yeah, I'm not on it.
As you scroll through.
Where the hell is the list?
Here we go.
Number one, I can't believe they still haven't changed
this picture even though he asked them to.
Yeah.
He replied with a tweet that has like over 10,000 upvotes
being like, hey, could you please use a different picture?
Yeah.
So here's the list.
They've got your earnings.
They've got your total followers.
He also corrected them on his total follower count.
They had it not right.
Yeah, it's like very not right.
Yeah, average engagement, whatever that means.
It's not a hundred percent clear how they calculate this.
Entrepreneurship score.
Three, out of what?
What is it out of?
There's more details in the doc.
We'll go through this a little bit,
but the point was not necessarily that I wanted to,
I mean, to be clear.
Yeah, MrBeast probably belongs at number one on the list.
Hold on, every single person got a three
for entrepreneurship score,
except for Jake Paul and he got a two.
What is this scale?
Okay, I don't know, but let's go ahead.
Markiplier only gets an entrepreneurship score of one.
Is one better?
Oh, what?
One worse.
XQC is at three.
So up in the, okay, to be clear, up in the top here,
everything's looking like pretty up and up, you know?
Patrick Simondac, I don't know, I'm sorry.
Patrick Star, I guess, $15 million for earnings.
That's a fricking ton of money
to be making on social media.
Oh, it's gigantic.
11.7 million followers.
Okay, you got Jacksepticeye with $16.8 million a year.
Look at this average engagement, 10.29%.
There's a lot of people that absolutely belong on this list.
We got Marques in here,
but then there's some really, really weird stuff
as you start getting down to the end
where it almost kind of feels like,
and I don't want this to be a knock against anyone
who was included on the list, but...
Top 50?
I don't know.
I don't know.
There's people on here with literally 1 million followers.
Which is like really solid,
like you're doing it.
And that puts you above Lily Pons
with a total of 94 million.
And what is this estimated earnings
for Lily Pons of 3 million?
Are you for real?
Are you actually for real?
Like, do you actually think Lily Pons
only made $3 million in 2021?
Are you serious?
Hold on.
Maybe she has fallen off a lot
since the last time I looked into her,
in which case she probably shouldn't be on the list at all.
So I suspect she hasn't, but let's bring this up.
Oh no.
She's still, oh, actually, okay.
She's peered out a fair bit,
but she's still putting up pretty respectable numbers
anywhere from 15 to 20 million views a month.
That is a lot less than I had thought it was gonna be.
Last time I kind of looked into her,
she was doing like a hundred plus million views a month.
In which case, okay.
So like, what's the,
basically what I'm trying to figure out
is what's the rationale here?
And the point I'm trying to make
is that it appears to be kind of random.
It appears to be a list of influencers
that the author or authors just like.
Which could be completely fine,
but shouldn't be named the way it is
and ranked the way it is if that's the case.
If it's top 50, you're gonna have to have some,
you're gonna have to have some kind of rationale for it.
So let's get into this a little bit.
If it's like top 50 creators
we think you should check out moving into 2023,
that's a different article.
That's a totally different article
and that one's totally fine,
but that doesn't get as many clicks as the top 50.
And it doesn't get people talking about it like us.
Way to go Forbes, you got your clicks, good job.
So let's go back to the doc for a little bit here.
So it's the most successful, influential
and entrepreneurial people in a given field,
in this case, social media.
And Linus was nowhere to be found.
I added this to the doc to be clear.
I wasn't the one who put that in.
I actually don't care because these lists are meaningless.
I might as well be on a list of random YouTubers
from my point of view, because here are some questions.
How did Forbes calculate the rankings?
Earnings figures are for calendar 2021
and are Forbes estimates.
Clout measures not just the sheer number of followers,
but also their engagement as indicated
by likes, shares and comments.
For follower count, they summed followers across platforms.
And this count includes people who follow creators
on multiple platforms.
Finally, each creator was given an entrepreneurship rank
of between one and three rewarding people
who founded companies, started investment shops
or otherwise structured deals in creative and lucrative ways.
So at the top of the list, congrats, Jimmy, 2021 earnings,
54 million total followers, whatever.
We already went through this.
Makes sense, very inaccurate, but it makes sense.
I will say this, whatever estimates they're using
for revenue, and this is something that I've noticed
on previous Forbes like earnings estimate lists
about YouTubers, these are people I know personally, right?
So I know for a fact that the earnings for Jimmy are wrong.
That is not accurate.
It's also, it's not only not accurate,
but even if it was accurate,
even if that number meant something,
like let's say for the sake of argument
that 54 million was his revenue for that year,
Jimmy invests heavily in his business.
Oh, hard, yeah.
I mean, we've seen it.
He hires people, builds sets, brings in experts.
Just the Squid Game project.
Yeah. Insane.
Millions of dollars.
He spends on his business.
So if you are, so depending on what the goal of your list is
if your goal is the top grossing YouTubers,
well then by all means, Jimmy belongs on your list.
But what I suspect based on knowing him
and having a little bit of inside baseball
is that compared to some much, much smaller operations
where it's just a one man or one woman band
or one person band, right?
Compared to those, he's probably not as profitable.
Yeah, cause he believes super, at least as far as my,
I've never talked to him,
but as far as my understanding goes,
he believes super heavily in reinvestment.
Reinvest, reinvest, reinvest.
That's Jimmy to a T, right?
Like he's not trying to make money today.
He's trying to build the biggest, hugest,
most epic influencer machine that the world has ever seen.
It's just, it's completely different objective.
I'm not saying, oh, Jimmy sucks at business.
He didn't, he wasn't as profitable in 2021
as some other influencer.
That's not what I'm saying at all.
He's just, he's just got his eye
on a completely different prize from most people.
So what is, what is the, what is,
so that's the first question.
What is this number?
Jimmy is Mr. Beast, guys.
What is this number?
Is it revenue?
Is it profit?
If it's profit, what are you basing it on?
You have no idea.
No idea.
And like, I remember like as a, as a teenager, young adult,
I used to read these like, you know,
celebrity net worth, click listicles, you know,
and, and people, people get so, people get so interested
in like the who's the richest person in the world.
You know, is it Bezos?
Is it Gates?
Is it this guy?
Is it that lady, whatever, right?
But what I realized after seeing estimates of myself
is that the people writing these articles
in pretty much every case I've seen
have zero special insight and knowledge whatsoever.
Zero.
You could go compile the list yourself
and probably do as good of a job.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, this is great.
They didn't edit his total follower count yet either.
He said our YouTube has more than 200 plus million subs
alone.
Yeah. His total follower count is like wildly off.
So she could, don't, don't they even say like, yeah,
you're going to have people that follow
on multiple platforms.
So they should have just totaled all of his.
And if anything.
Which is just an insane number.
If anything, his is one that I would be,
I would be more willing to just add up together
because so many of his additional YouTube subscribers
are on other language channels
where there probably is very little subscriber overlap
with the main channel.
He also, I didn't see this,
but apparently he also questioned
the entrepreneurship score
claiming that people who had less than 10 employees
had the same ranking as people who had a hundred.
Yeah, that's pretty stupid.
This is a note from-
That's a really weird scale.
One to three is an extremely odd scale.
What does that even mean?
That means basically nothing.
Adam noted that the list seems to be a bit of a mess.
In the accompanying blog post,
Forbes states that Charlie D'Amelio
is at the top of the list,
but the list itself puts Mr. Beast at the top.
So that's cool.
They credit Sophie D with founding an agency
that our writer, Adam,
couldn't find evidence of it actually existing.
They are missing some massive, massive channels
like Vlad and Nikki, who have 88 million subs.
It's a kid's channel.
Or like Nastya,
which is a 100 million subscriber children's channel.
And this isn't like a children's channel like Cocomelon
where it's like, I don't know,
is that really a channel?
Is that really an influencer?
Is that a company?
This is like, as far as I can tell,
Nastya at least started as like a family run,
just like kids' channel,
kind of like Ryan's toy reviews.
There are some highlights from the list.
Marques is on there as number 18.
Forbes claims that he posts reviews
of everything from video games to drones to smartphones.
I don't remember the last time Marques has covered a drone,
but that's-
Or video games.
Yeah, or video games.
I think that was edited.
I specifically tried to read through that part.
Let me try to find it.
They've got, oh man.
I should do an earnings estimate for Mr. Marques Brownlee.
Oh, no, it's still there.
Yep, which posts reviews of everything
from video games to drones to smartphones.
Yeah, Marques reviews a lot of video games.
Big gamer, Marques.
It would have been cooler to shout him out
for his ultimate Frisbee stuff.
Well, yeah.
Which is, I know that's not on the YouTube channel.
You would have had to actually know
anything about the guy though.
You wouldn't have been able to just-
I think that's super cool.
You wouldn't have been able to just crap out
whatever popped into your mind
and put it in your listicle.
Like that's ridiculous.
Is PewDiePie even on the list?
I didn't actually scroll through the whole thing.
So, oh, PewDiePie is apparently missing.
PewDiePie is mentioned in Jacksepticeye's section.
Because let me tell you something.
I don't know, I've never spoken to Felix, okay?
I don't know him.
I don't have any insider insight into him.
But what I will tell you is based on what I know
about mobile game, the mobile game industry-
Big money.
Big money.
YouTuber simulator, looking at the numbers
that that app was doing when it launched,
he never has to lift a finger again.
That wasn't his only game.
I didn't even know that.
Yep.
Yeah, so like, but that's the thing,
is the people compiling these lists,
they have absolutely no concept whatsoever
of where the, like who's doing big money deals.
And that doesn't even get into some of the sketchy deals
that some influencers are doing.
Like there's influencers earning huge amounts of money,
essentially grifting their audiences with like crypto scams.
There was that whole, who was that guy
that got caught promoting a gambling site
that it turned out that he ran.
Oh, the Counter-Strike one.
I don't remember the guy's name.
Frankly, you know what?
Let's not even bother saying it.
I don't want to say the wrong one.
Doesn't deserve it.
Yeah.
So, you know, yeah, probably earning pretty good money,
not on the list.
I mean, okay, maybe there's an argument to be made
for ill-gotten gains not ending up on the list.
Are there like any streamers?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, XQC is in there.
Oh, right, he is, yeah.
Yep, Bunny the dog is on there.
Earnings of $1 million.
Total followers, 9.3.
Average engagement, 5.85.
Entrepreneurship score, one.
What is that even?
How are you even on that list?
Like, again, I'm not going to say I should be on the list,
but I should definitely be on the list before the dog.
That I'll say.
I don't know.
Our discussion question is where does Linus Sebastian
fall by these metrics?
51.
51.
I don't know.
Cause the metrics are so bad.
Like the entrepreneurship score, one to three?
What is it even based off?
They don't break it down.
Like Mr. Beast pointed out,
like it doesn't seem to necessarily be based on anything.
Their numbers are wrong anyways.
And to properly spec this out,
you would have to try to actually spend an amount of time
trying to get accurate numbers,
which it doesn't seem like they really did.
Oh, people are saying position number 69.
I'd accept that.
Yeah.
Perfect.
People are talking about someone, Bella Porch,
they estimate at 5 million.
Sorry.
Bella Porch, they estimate at 5 million.
No shot.
And that's true.
I just looked it up.
No shot what?
There's no chance that's true.
Oh yeah, no.
Yeah.
Okay, hold on a sec.
Is that too old?
Cap?
Ah, I did it.
I did it.
I'm so proud.
I don't think I've ever said that before.
I'm one of the fellow kids now.
What are even these numbers?
Yeah, they're just all stupid.
There's no way.
Oh, wait.
Oh, okay.
Okay, sorry.
It's in TikTok mode.
Hold on.
It's in what?
Social blades.
I was confused.
Okay.
Wow.
That's stupid.
Yeah, she's huge.
Oh yeah.
Like huge.
Yeah.
There's no way 5 million total earnings is accurate.
You should probably educate yourself a little bit.
She's also like, yeah, it's build a bleep reach number.
We have a button, build a bitch.
Yeah, it's number 58 on Billboard's pop chart in May, 2021.
She has done deals with luxury fashion house.
I mean, mind you, we're reading this.
Why are we reading this?
Because it's clearly made up.
It's probably just wrong, but okay.
Even there, if anything crappy, deflated information,
just that there's like no way she makes only that amount.
Like she's a Titan.
Come on.
Yeah.
Like that's just disrespectful.
Yeah.
5 million, get real.
That's true about a lot of these people, man.
I don't know.
Like so many people on this list,
like it's fantastic that you made it on the list,
but they probably said some junk about you
that's not accurate and not as cool as you actually are.
And that that's unfortunate.
Also, there's no way that,
I don't know.
The fact that they present this information as fact,
I think is what offends me the most.
Ryan's Toy Review's AdSense revenue,
merchandise and proprietary line of toys
helped him make very adult money in 2021, 27 million.
They say this like it's a fact.
You have no idea.
You have no idea.
So someone says she probably made 5 million
during this segment.
Probably not.
Yeah, not quite.
But yeah.
You might be just as far off as Forbes though.
She's doing okay money.
I, you know what?
I should see if I can do a more accurate estimate
for Marquez and then I'll just ask him if it's right.
I'm pretty sure I could get close.
I'm pretty sure this ain't it chief.
I think what he needs to do
is start reviewing video games.
Yeah, then maybe he could,
then maybe one day he could get there.
Maybe one day he'll make it.
Yeah.
He tries hard enough.
Oh my goodness.
He'll be the breakout,
he'll be the breakout hit
or the breakout creator we need.
Yeah.
Just, you know, if he could just keep at it
and review more video games.
Review more video games, yeah.
That's really, honestly,
the video game content is just too ignored by his channel.
Yeah, Shroud's not in there.
Some very few major streamers.
There's streamers making like ludicrous amounts of money.
And compared to an operation like ours
where we actually have like 80 people on staff,
a lot of them are very lean operations.
There's also a bunch of streamers
that are really getting actually very, very good
at the VOD game.
Where they will make produced videos live on stream.
Where it's like,
you can barely even tell that they're live.
They often won't even show the chat
and they're talking to the camera
as if they're actually live, all that type of stuff.
Apparently Shroud is in there, sorry.
And they're doing both and they're doing it really well.
Like that's actually a very interesting thing to follow
in the creator space right now,
is these streamers starting to just spread out
into different content forms
so they're not just doing one thing.
It's genuinely very interesting and-
So what entrepreneurship score would they get for that?
It's hard because when you look at the difference
between one, two, and three,
how much do you have to do
to be able to jump up one of those?
You have 33% of the population,
I don't even think it's split that way,
but you have 33% of it in each one of the numbered gaps.
So like, what the heck does that even mean?
It's impossible.
Ludwig has monetized this format
that's true.
It's also true about a number of other creators though.
He's not the only one doing it.
And it's genuinely really interesting.
It's big brain, it takes some work.
It takes a lot of planning.
It takes a lot,
there was already a lot of work
that went into stream preparation back in the day.
But I think in our current space for stream creators
that are trying to do stream and VOD,
I think there is a monstrous amount of stream prep
that people don't necessarily think about,
because these creators are so professional, honestly,
and good at hiding that type of stuff
and just making it feel like you're just live hanging out,
even though there was clearly,
if you really think about it,
a lot of work that goes into this stuff.
Also, again, I'm not saying I should be on the list
because there are at least 50 people
that are like way huger, like way, way bigger.
But compared to the dog, okay?
It's the dog that I take exception with, okay?
So what was the dog's earnings,
a million dollars or something like that?
As far as I can tell, this is a total revenue number, okay?
And like, look, look, look,
I'm not saying, you know,
you know, YouTuber influencer flex.
All I'm saying is, okay,
with the number of employees we have, okay,
times the minimum wage in BC, okay?
So I am paying at least $15 and 65 cents an hour.
Actually, there's about somewhere in the neighborhood
of 10 to 15% overhead on top of that, you know,
for like EI and all that kind of nonsense.
I think it's actually higher,
but Yvonne would know better than me and she's not here.
Okay, all right.
So that's at least how much I pay per hour, okay?
Times, there are 2,080 hours in a year, 2,080 work hours.
Okay, times 80, okay?
I think that I beat the dog for revenue.
Assuming that you guys are all getting paychecks.
No, I just, well, we definitely all get minimum wage.
Yeah.
That's 7 million in dog dollars.
No, no, that's not how it works.
Wait, no, no, no.
That is species bias.
That would mean that they make even less.
Yeah, also the dog got an entrepreneurial score of one, so.
Is one high or low, I don't know.
I think it's low.
I think it's low.
Okay, oh man, all right.
What do you want to talk about next?
Forbes.
So this article was stupid.
Don't click on it, don't go to it.
Let this be the only interaction you had with it.
Okay, what are we, yeah, what are we talking about?
There's so many things.
Done that, done that, done that.
Done that, done that.
I was accidentally trendy.
Do you want to talk about that?
No.
Okay.
I mean, okay, sure we can.
It was mostly that I, sorry.
Oh, Jasko, Jasko, Jasko.
No, you don't get to talk about it.
We're talking about Jasko.
All right, let's talk about Jasko.
Yeah, no, you go though, because this is your thing.
Oh, smart home electronics manufacturer, Jasko,
is following through on their promise
to improve the availability of firmware updates
to their family of products.
This is something that I complained about previously
on the WAN show and to Jasko's credit,
they have done, as far as I can tell,
a 180 on their previous policy
of not providing firmware updates to end users
to now they are not only doing that,
but they are actually,
they have actually worked with Home Assistant
to provide updates to Jasko products automatically
through Home Assistant, over the air updates.
How cool is that?
Extremely cool, and they deserve credit and kudos for it.
This is the type of stuff that we wanna see from companies.
So when they do it, we like, very good job.
And they're doing it
even once we've taken the heat out from under them.
Yes.
They're not just saying we're gonna do it
and then going, oh, okay,
a lot of the fuss around this has died down.
We can probably just not do this.
Everyone's forgotten, let's just keep going.
Yeah, they're not just waiting out the news cycle.
So it's important to bring them back up,
talk about how to be clear that my light switches
are still not perfect,
but you gotta give credit where it's due.
Absolutely.
And darn it, they are improving their supported products
in the mean, or they're improving the support
for their products in the meantime.
So I love it.
They, at this point,
we feel have gone beyond the industry standard.
So kudos, kudos to that.
I don't really need to do a ton of discussion here.
Let's talk about I was accidentally trendy.
I came across this article in Financial Times
that declares giant tacky logos plastered on everything
to be on the way out.
They're on the way out, luxury logos.
Okay, like this, they're on the way out, Luke.
Amid a-
I genuinely would have no idea.
Cost of living crisis and it seems absurd.
Oh, I mean, that makes sense.
Oh, man, let me read this article on mobile.
Oh, I have to fill out a survey?
Um, okay, no.
Next.
Okay, that was the whole, that was the whole survey.
Logomania is over.
And I don't know, this was just kind of validating for me
because starting with the Stealth hoodie,
we have taken away more and more and more and more and more
of the obvious branding on our products.
Like you've got an old version of the water bottle.
Stealth.
Oh.
Crap, I have an old version of the water bottle too.
So the old one, even the Stealthy one,
has a giant line of tech tips across it.
The new one, just where the CMOS battery is,
just has a little LTT logo.
It's like basically, yeah, it's hidden on the product.
And a lot of our stuff is like that now.
I think that's really good.
With Stealthier and Stealthier logos
because you already paid for the product.
I mean, if you want to rep the brand, by all means,
but you should have options for people who don't.
I've always supported that.
You probably remember conversations
where I used to talk about like the quality of PAX merch.
That used to be a very major thing in my life.
Yes, it was because it was the only thing you wore.
Yes, yes, I remember that.
So it was really nice when the shirt
wasn't just a company logo.
And it was cool because actually people would ask you
about the stuff more.
So like if you're the brand
and you want that representation,
you're actually getting kind of like more of it,
in my opinion, in a way.
Because I've never seen someone's logo on a shirt
and been like, oh cool, I should buy that.
But I've seen an interesting looking shirt
that I know is like at least somewhat related to the thing.
And I've asked people about it
and that has maybe driven me in that direction.
To be clear, this wasn't intentional.
This wasn't me trying to be trendy.
I traditionally have spent very little time
brain noodling about fashion trends.
I think you're a formic, probably was.
You cared about it.
You wanted less logos.
You thought it looked better.
Well, yeah, but that's not,
I will still feel that way in five years
when the fashion industry
has big tacky logos on things again.
Like it's the cyclical nature of it
that I don't, I can't keep up with.
We've been against that.
I just like the things I like.
And every once in a while,
the things I like happen to be in fashion
and readily available. Yeah, got them.
And so I stock up.
So anyway, the reason I clicked this article
even in the first place though,
is I kind of run a clothing store now.
So I was just sort of curious.
However, this was the reason
that I ultimately decided
to make this a topic on the show.
It wasn't the, I was accidentally trendy part.
That was just a good title for the segment.
Sure.
It was the part where the author kind of lost me
when they said their favorite brand is Bottega Veneta.
I've never heard of this.
I had never heard of,
so never having heard of it,
I went over to their site
for some window shopping laughing.
This was one of my favorite hobbies
when I used to travel a lot,
is I would be in airports
where they often have super upscale stores.
And I would play the game of going into the first store
that I find that I completely don't recognize
the name of at all,
and then asking how much things cost.
Okay, hold on.
You probably, no.
You haven't even found my favorite part yet.
It's a $7,000 shirt.
How is it not the worst part?
No, no, no, I didn't say the worst part.
No, so you haven't found the part that I found.
Okay, we can look at yours.
Sorry, which shirt is $7,000?
So the left tank top,
which looks like the most boring normal tank top ever,
is $610.
And the right pinstripe shirt,
which looks like something you could,
and probably in this case should just get from Goodwill,
is apparently $7,000.
They had to add the 90.
I love how both these things,
like it can't just be 600 bucks.
It needs to be 610.
Yeah.
It can't just be $7,000.
It needs to be 7,090.
There's a bomb cost here.
We need to get our cost materials back.
Well, they do.
They do, it's important.
Yeah.
Okay, so hold on, hold on, hold on.
Out of curiosity,
I clicked the, what is it?
Winter 2022 looks, okay?
So they've got like this runway thing,
and I came across this gem.
Hold on a second.
You'll probably have to watch over there.
I came across this gem.
Oh, the like Neo?
The thing the guy's carrying.
Oh.
Okay, so hold on, let's freeze on that.
So the garbage bag.
Okay, just a second.
So if we go down-
Is it like a $6,000
garbage bag or something? We can see all the looks.
Okay, so I was curious actually about the jacket
when I scrolled down here.
It was the jacket that got me to come look at it,
but it turns out that only the bag and the shoes
are their thing.
Okay.
So I clicked this bag.
I was like, okay, what's the deal with this bag?
How much is it? I can't even-
This is a 2,000 or $2,650 Canadian dollar bag
that does not have a hidden strap.
It actually does not, it doesn't have hidden-
It's really big for not having a hidden strap.
Backpack straps.
You actually hold it like this.
She looks like she is holding on to this thing
for dear life.
He looks like he's going to a slumber party.
It looks like he's wearing slippers and holding a pillow.
To be clear-
I know the like massively oversized shoes are like a thing.
To be clear, I am not blaming the models here.
I think they're probably doing a great job
of doing what they are supposed to be doing
in that industry.
Someone in FlowPlane chat said $7,000.
They're talking about that shirt that I found.
Yeah.
$7,000 covers the cost of the French Taylor,
airline ticket of the French Taylor.
The worst part is I literally don't know
if they're joking or not because-
So it's making me feel pretty good about the LTT backpack.
I think I just skipped a beat because you're talking
about this stupid garbage bag.
Oh no.
And then you reach down and you go to lift something up.
And at first, all I see is that you're holding something
that's-
Oh no.
Like, look, the thing is-
Thank goodness.
I have no problem with premium products,
but they better have a reason for it.
Yeah.
They better have better something.
And a bag that I have to carry.
It looks like like Ron Weasley or something.
Like I'm getting like a-
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Look how uncomfortable this looks for her to hold.
Yeah.
And it probably doesn't even have anything in it yet.
That's just wild.
Oh man.
I love it.
Buy it for research purposes.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
So anyway, according to this particular writer,
big logos are out, but according to this particular writer,
Bottega Veneta is like a thing that should exist.
So I don't know.
We'll see.
This is clearly an industry that I just do not understand.
And I can tell you, we have done some experimentation
with like really high-end materials.
Like we'd love to do like a more luxury version
of some of our products,
but this is not reflective of the difference in cost.
And like if we do a luxury materials version of a product,
it will cost more because they do.
But this is not reflective.
I will say that much.
Yeah.
The funny thing about this is I have actually read up
about like fashion, like designer brand,
like premium brand, luxury brand marketing.
And a big part of it is the price being high.
Like that's actually a good thing for the kinds of shoppers
who follow this scene, who care about this scene.
The more outlandishly expensive it is,
the more of a statement it is that you don't give any f**ks
and you can just throw money
at a fancy pillow-shaped garbage bag.
Like that's the point.
It's a feature, not a bug.
And I think to most people, it's just kind of mind blowing.
$7,000 luxury LTT backpack,
except they've removed the straps.
You just have to carry it with, yeah.
It's it improves grip strength by 60% in just three weeks.
Oh my goodness.
Oh no.
That'd be funny.
Yeah.
Do we have any other topics?
I don't know.
I mean, we do, but should we?
I don't know.
I'll tell you what, I'll let you do it.
No.
I don't want to do it.
I don't want to do it either.
Oh.
This one?
Which one?
This one?
Yeah, we could do that one.
I don't want to do that.
Oh, I can do that.
You can do the other one.
What's the other one?
I'll do that one if you'll do the other one.
No, quick agree before you look at the other one.
Oh, I don't want to do that one either.
Bell, give us a couple of merch messages
while we work up the nove over here.
First question here is from Mars.
Are y'all still playing any Steam Deck
or any other Windows handhelds?
And if so, what games?
I finally started Witcher 3.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, I'm not that far into it yet
because I've been really busy with house stuff.
I want this, I want the place.
I want basically, here, instead of trying to use words,
I'm going to just, I'm going to go like this.
I want it to feel, then I can play video games.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just, I haven't,
I've played almost no games.
Not quite there yet.
It's not, it's not there yet.
It's getting there though, right?
It is.
It's getting pretty good.
It is.
Okay, I have a pool update.
Oh.
Six weeks.
What?
Till usable?
I mean, I don't believe it, but.
Yeah.
That's what they say.
It's still fun to hear.
Anytime you hear any estimated date
for anything being done, it's just wrong.
Just double it.
If it is actually done on October the 21st.
That's potentially still usable to a degree.
You want to go, you want to go for a swim with me?
I'm down.
All right, let's do it.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
We skinny dipping?
I don't know about that.
He didn't say no.
Convince Linus to play Morrowind on the Steam Deck?
I don't think so.
He couldn't convince me to play Morrowind
on a keyboard and mouse.
I don't think I tried.
I tried to play it.
It's a hard game to go back to.
Yeah, you told me it was great.
And I was like, I'll give it a shot.
Cause I loved Oblivion and it was rough.
It's a hard game to go back to.
Yeah, it was like not fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It doesn't have a quest log.
Yeah.
It doesn't have a lot of like modern niceties
and things that make it easy to use.
It's still like, it's still an old school RPG.
It's it's rough.
All right, Bill, hit us.
Next question here is from Rohan.
Hello, Linus and Luke.
What's an activity or experience
that you've wanted to try together, but haven't yet?
Skinny dipping in a pool?
I mean, let's do it.
I, I.
Nah, I'm the prude.
He invited me to the naked steam room
on our Japan trip and I didn't go.
That was a good experience actually.
I hung out with one of the engineers from Omron
and it was like so awkward at first,
but he clearly didn't feel awkward about it at all.
And eventually that, like him being very clear about like,
dude, this is just normal.
Everything's fine.
I'm talking to you about like random engineering stuff.
Eventually I like kind of got it.
And then I stopped caring and it was, it was, yeah.
It just, you stop, that part is irrelevant eventually.
And you just enjoy the, the warm water and hanging out.
Yep.
Literally.
Hanging out.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
We kind of like, we've done a lot of stuff together.
Yeah.
There's stuff I'd be stoked to,
but I don't think there's anything.
I'm gonna try skydiving, but it's like.
I was actually gonna say skydiving as well.
Yeah, it'd be fun to go together, but like.
But I, yeah.
Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
Next question here is from Nathan.
I really want an OLED gaming monitor,
but I'd like to stay around 27 inches.
It seems like everything OLED is much bigger
unless it's a phone or tablet, which is much smaller.
Is there a reason why?
Okay. So my understanding is the way the mother glass works
for panel production is there's certain sizes
of mother glass.
That's how you get bigger and bigger TVs
is they make larger and larger mother glass.
And at each size,
there's an optimal sub size that you can cut out of it
to maximize the yields of completed displays.
And OLED, because the producers of them are focused
on either handheld devices or on large format TVs
are simply not producing mother glass
that is yielding well enough for those sizes
to be economically viable.
That is my understanding of where we're at.
They are getting smaller.
The 42 inch LG C2 and the monitors
that are based on that same panel.
We have a video coming out soon.
We have two videos coming out soon, actually.
We have two videos pending release
of me upgrading my monitor.
Because I upgraded to the C2, the 42 inch one.
Cause the 48 was just a little big for gaming for me.
And then immediately I came back to the office for WAN show.
Like the day I had shot the upgrade
and I was like the ASUS version of this,
it's a proper monitor with display port is right there.
Yeah, I was with you.
No, I want that one.
So there will be a second video
where I change over to the ASUS one
which has a matte display, display port.
It's more computer monitor optimized.
Like it has a fixed brightness mode that you can put it in.
So it doesn't dynamically play around with the brightness.
Anyway, but the point is that they're at 42 inches now.
And I think we'll continue to see that go down.
Next question is from Nathaniel.
I own a steam deck and I want to emulate
Zelda Breath of the Wild.
I was muted, classic me.
I own a steam deck and I want to emulate
Zelda Breath of the Wild on it.
But that's how I make a ROM for it.
One of these days I'll find out how to word it.
So you can't do that,
but I don't know how to make a ROM for it.
If someone I know gives me a copy of the ROM,
is it piracy even though we both own the game physically?
That is a wonderful question.
The answer is yes.
Is that stupid?
Also yes.
You, in order to not pirate, according to the law,
you must, you must, you must rip the file yourself.
Now, with that said,
personally, I stopped bothering to rip my Blu-rays
a long time ago,
because someone else can spend their time doing that.
And as long as I have a physical media backup for my,
for my digital copies of things that I own,
ethically, I see no problem.
But legally, which is not necessarily
the same thing as ethically,
legally, you would be in the wrong.
Sorry, did I say piracy?
I meant privateering.
Next question here is from Zane.
Have you used your LTT backpack when riding your bike?
And if so, what's your experience using it?
I'm considering getting it for riding myself
as 50% of my current bag is taken up by my sneakers.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've used it on the bike.
It's, I mean, obviously something that I do.
I ride a motorcycle.
So it was something that as we were tweaking the,
like the strap spacing and the strap design,
it was something that I would like notice
if it didn't work with motorcycle gear or whatever else,
I find it quite comfortable.
With that said, you know,
we don't make any claims of like perfect waterproofness
or anything like that.
So if your intention is to ride around in the rain,
you will still need a rain cover for it.
But in terms of utility, no problems.
Question here from Connor.
How did the both of you maintain a healthy relationship
all these years working together?
I mean, L word, I guess.
Like the important one, Linus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's all me.
Yeah, I mean, no, I mean,
Luke and I have been,
once you've been through this much together, you just...
I feel strongly the same way.
Yeah.
I don't know if this is a controversial take or not.
I think in my opinion,
a lot of things in life need challenge and difficulty
to become strong, almost whatever that thing is.
Yeah.
We went through a ton of crap, especially early on.
Yeah.
And when you do that and you get through the other side.
And we've been imperfect to each other at many times.
Totally.
You're gonna be, it's gonna happen.
If you do that and you get through the other side,
I feel like you're either gonna be like linked together
or completely apart forever.
Yeah.
One of the two and you figure it out.
Yeah.
I think that's just, I don't know.
Maybe we had times when we were both so dependent
on each other that we didn't really have a choice.
And then I guess you just, you know,
you're forged in that, in that fire.
Yeah.
I just don't think there's,
I have a hard time imagining anything that could come
between us at this point that would be,
that would be enough to really break things down.
It's been particularly funny watching some of the
speculation about how uncomfortable you are around me
or how you're afraid to tell me what you think
or whatever else.
Some expert body language analysis of you on the wad show.
There's been some interesting stuff.
You do you.
Bravo, it's entertaining reading,
but it's like the Forbes article.
It's reading.
So I was talking to you about that.
Wasn't I reading the Luke science was, was entertaining.
I was like, Oh wow.
I didn't know that.
That's cool.
There was also, there was one,
there's a bunch of people pointing out one specific scene
where they're like, Oh, he rolled his eyes here so hard.
I didn't roll my eyes.
Oh really?
I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if you did.
So I have, yeah, and I've done it before.
I mean, if he's afraid to like, to offend me,
then rolling his eyes on camera
when I'm going to be able to see him do it,
probably a bad strat.
Yeah.
I have a problem right now.
I've talked about it on my show before,
where I look down too much.
I, my angle gets a little brutal
because the desk for me is a little low
and the laptops are pretty short.
So I ended up looking like this
and I'm supposed to be close to the mic.
So I ended up looking like this all the time
and you can't really see my eyes.
So I've been trying to work on that.
I think this show was a little bit better,
but it's still a problem.
I'm often interacting with flow plane chats.
I have a bit of an excuse, but I was looking down
and then I wanted to quickly think about a response
that would be really good.
Yeah.
So I looked up and then I looked at you.
I didn't actually, my eyes didn't do the,
they went, there are other parts of that video
where I rolled my eyes.
Oh, I believe it.
But the one that people pointed out wasn't even it.
If he was going to roll his eyes,
he would do it to my face.
Yeah.
I think that might be part of it as well, actually.
We've both always been pretty open and blunt about stuff.
So we always know where each other stand.
Yeah.
And that's been good.
Yeah.
Maybe uncomfortable at times, but worth it.
Maybe people haven't seen it in a bit.
Cause I think we've also kind of mind melded
a little over the years.
We used to disagree a lot more.
And now we, I think there's a long period of land show
where we would basically just be like, yeah, bro,
big bro, yeah, you too, bro.
We played too much Broforce.
Yeah, maybe they just haven't seen us like disagree hard
in a while or something.
Ooh, let me and daddy are fighting.
I don't know how to deal with this.
JK33V3RS asks, are you at the level of fame
where there is WAN fan fiction?
We had fan fiction a long time ago.
My brother in Christ, let me tell ya.
Don't you have a...
I have two Luke and Linus furry art paintings
that I got for free from here.
Let me put that out there.
Okay, there's so many things wrong with this so far.
There's the existence of them.
There's the fact that you need them.
And there's the fact that they came from here.
So every part of it.
Yes, every, all of that.
I find it hilarious.
I have no problem with it.
If I had one, it would be weird.
If I had just one, it would be very, very weird.
So I have two.
No, you're gonna actually need to explain this more.
So we have a giveaway pile where stuff goes to
disappear and one day I went and looked
and there was a bunch of art.
Like there was stuff from H3H3.
There was pictures of Steve Bruhl
from like a John C. Reilly for some reason.
And then there were these two paintings of Luke and Linus.
They're pretty like...
They're decent.
Like it's painted really well.
And it's like Luke...
Are they like hand painted?
You can actually see them on float plane
in a video that you made that is actually
one of my favorite like full exclusive videos
where he goes on this big road trip to pick up a monitor.
Yeah, I know the one.
It's in kind of the beginning of that.
Yeah, I say goodbye to the paintings.
I'm like goodbye to Luke and Linus
and goodbye to Luke and Linus again.
This is why I know, yeah.
Yeah, I need people to realize
that I don't just have furry art of my CEO on my wall.
Oh, I do remember this.
It was so good.
Wait, you have two of the same one?
Well, of course.
Okay, that's weird.
I thought you meant two different ones.
That is weird.
Why would you need two of the same one?
Well, they're on different backgrounds too.
So I have...
I love that you're a bear.
It's a bear and a wolf combined.
That probably makes sense.
That's why I said, I love that you're a bear.
Why am I a goat though?
I mean, okay, I guess.
Grace of all time.
Beautiful.
That's amazing.
So funny.
So yeah, I don't know.
So they were in the giveaway pile
and you got give away to them.
Yes.
Okay, all right.
To be clear, if you were the one who sent that,
it's not that I didn't think it was super cool.
It's just, I had no idea what to do with it.
And I wanted someone to have it and cherish it.
And apparently that someone is going to be Bill.
And a warning, if you look them up,
like if you go to the video and see their username,
they make very good art, but it is very not safe for work.
So just be aware of that.
If you are looking at this artist.
That makes sense.
I never would have assumed that a like furry artist
would have not safe for work content on their timeline.
There's big money in that.
Really?
Like big money in that.
Really?
Like we should invest big money in that.
I mean, if you could,
it would probably be a profitable investment
if you found like a really good artist or whatever.
What do you mean?
But how do you invest in artists?
I don't know.
I don't think that's a thing.
They just like do the art and then make the money.
Make lots of money.
Yeah.
I have a friend who's an artist
and they don't do that type of stuff.
And they get commissioned for it all the time.
And like big money, but they don't do it.
So like they have to turn down like big money all the time.
Where do people put it?
If you're me, it's in your streaming room.
Okay.
But like, that's not...
I've seen some X-rated furry artwork.
I don't think it's Twitch terms of service safe.
So like, okay, next answer then.
Throw it on your computer.
I think a lot of it's digital.
Oh, okay.
I thought we were talking like big wall prints.
Oh, I mean, I don't know.
That might also be...
I don't know like a lot about it,
but I just know there's big money there.
Okay.
Gremlin Injector says you commission stuff
you think is cool and hang it around your house
instead of prints from Comic-Con.
I mean, yeah, fair enough.
But like, I just, I don't know.
There's someone at Flowplane Chat who, Foxena Box,
the name makes me think this is probably true.
They say furry here with more than one-
Foxena Box, not Foxena Box.
But it could be both.
That makes sense.
I mean, there's no capital I.
Could be a double entendre.
And there's a capital B.
Okay.
Furry here with more than one $1,000 piece of art.
Okay.
Where do you put it though?
I think it's digital.
Digital.
And that's money.
That's money, money.
There's big money in this.
It's crazy.
It's very interesting to me.
Modern professions, man.
There's like a lot of it that people have just like
never heard of that are like very serious,
like big business stuff.
It's really interesting.
A lot of this is digital stuff.
You don't need a storefront, right?
So like, if you're not looking for it,
you might just not know it exists,
but it's like, it's a big thing.
I mean- Yeah, digital only.
Okay.
I mean, to be clear, to be clear,
it's not like as a kid,
we wouldn't occasionally go to an acquaintance
of my dad's house where they would have like
actual pornography, just like on the wall.
They'd comment on people's like garages and shops
back in the day.
Yeah, I guess so.
So, I mean, okay.
I guess in terms of being a norm,
at least for some people, it's not new then.
I've just, I personally,
I have never been tempted to have anything
other than like G-rated things hanging up in my house.
Oh yeah, me neither.
I have small children, which I don't know,
maybe from some people's point of view, doesn't matter.
I just don't really get it.
All right, hit us with another one.
Question here from John.
When traveling, what kind of tech do you take with you?
Oh.
A mountain of battery banks.
It's more what I take out.
I just take out anything that's gonna get confiscated
at the airport, take out my screwdriver,
take out my other screwdrivers
and like my toolkits and stuff.
I actually have like an away luggage
that's pre-packed for two nights.
So I literally, I'll grab my backpack,
which is gonna have like a hoodie.
That's really important.
It'll have my laptop, my charger, a battery bank or two.
It'll have like my business card holder,
which I only carry around just, I don't know,
ceremonially at this point.
I don't even think it has any cards in it.
The mouse, mouse pad for using my computer.
Sunglasses, oh, I'll take a portable gaming device.
So it used to be the Switch back when I traveled.
Nowadays I would take an Ioneo or a Steam Deck
or something like that.
And then for my bag, I actually pack super light.
I'll take a ratio of one pair of pants
for every three days I'm gonna be there.
Accepting things like exercise pants.
Like I would take one of those for every time
I intend to go out and exercise, obviously.
You're talking basically jeans when you're saying that.
Yeah, like jeans.
And then I'd take one shirt, one underwear for every day.
And then I would take, actually,
typically I'll only take one pair of socks
for every two days.
Oh, yeah, I know, I know.
I do a different thing on that.
Sandals, my socks don't get stinky.
That's interesting.
I would bring one pair of socks for every day
plus one pair per week.
Plus a pair per week.
Cause you'll do multiple pairs of socks sometimes.
Depends on the situation.
But I would often do adventures along with the traveling
if I have some time off.
To go hiking.
If I get my socks wet.
You don't wanna be hanging around in wet socks.
Like, I don't know.
It's just, it's not good.
Yep, that makes sense.
Sourbones says, how do you reckon riding a motorcycle
when it's so dangerous while having three young kids?
Yeah, I'm a defensive driver.
I, you know, obviously, yeah, bad things can happen,
but I enjoy it.
I'm not gonna stop living my life because I have dependents.
You can boil that statement down
to a pretty huge amount of things and just stop living.
Yeah, how do you leave the house when it's so dangerous?
Driving at all is super dangerous.
Yep.
So yeah, I don't know.
I just, it's above my threshold
and my wife somehow lets me do it.
So I'm going for it.
Keboski, sorry, yeah, in a sec, Bell, says,
this is on Floatplane Chat,
pack as if you're going to shit your pants every day.
Okay, not everybody lives by that rule.
Bringing some extra stuff I think is a decent idea though,
especially if you're gonna go off the beaten path at all,
because you never really know what's gonna happen.
Yeah, all right.
Yeah, I can stand by that motto, by the way.
I'm the exact same thing, so nervous.
What if, you know, what if you do poop your pants every day?
I like having excessive battery banks,
enough clothes that I can get around comfortably.
So usually I bring extra underwear, extra socks,
because those are the things that like get wonky,
and extra ways to have water, basically.
Make sure I got a water bottle.
Question here from Tarl.
Luke, first of all, it's called Halo Infinite
because the rollout is infinitely long.
Hey, got him, boom, roasted.
Linus, question for you.
Why did you go with standardized workstations
instead of using virtual machines?
Because virtual machines just can be weird and buggy,
and sometimes, especially with like product licensing,
there are lots of products that will spit out errors
on virtual machines, they just don't like it.
And sometimes it's just as simple as they want you
to buy the much, much more expensive version
of their license.
That is built for virtual machines or overalls, yeah.
Stupid, forget it.
Oh, you're doing this?
Hmm, we know you're an enterprise.
Exactly.
Time to pay more.
Last question here is from Bad Bones.
Love watching the WAN show.
Did you guys happen to see- No, no, do it right.
The username is badbones69, nice.
Very nice.
Did you guys happen to see that Valve has just announced
they've opened Steam Deck Repair Centers for decks
that have been damaged, even under,
have been damaged, covered under warranty,
but I believe you do have to pay for damage,
but there is a new repair center thing covered
and partnered with iFixit.
I did not see that, that's super cool though.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, for the vast majority of people,
it's probably not that helpful unless they're everywhere,
but if there's a way for independent shops to apply
and become one of these, then that's super cool.
This is the first I'm hearing of it though, so I-
We don't have a lot of other information.
Yeah, I won't have like a big take on this.
All right, the last thing, I guess.
Queen Elizabeth II has passed.
I had some people call me out for being,
and I quote, disrespectful for my comments
on the live stream yesterday.
The simple truth of the matter is that
the royal family means as little to me
as any other random stranger.
Also, she was 96 years old.
It wasn't exactly like a moment that shocked the world,
like the recent assassination of Shinzo Abe
with that like DIY scatter gun thing.
Nobody expected me to comment on that,
but I guess because he wasn't the ceremonial King of Canada,
nobody wants me to say anything.
Like to me, it just, it doesn't have a ton of meaning.
And I've had some people correct me and say,
actually the monarchy has a lot to do with Canada.
Okay, so the way it works is yes,
functionally the monarchy does play a role
in our government, but if they ever actually tried
to overstep their purely ceremonial role,
there are mechanisms whereby we could just say,
actually not that and cut them off.
So functionally, they serve no role whatsoever.
I also personally believe that the concept of a monarchy
is dreadfully outdated.
And you can quote me on that.
Why should someone be born to be the ruler
of some geographical plot of land
any more than someone should be born to be a lawyer
or born to be a plumber or a fisher or whatever?
I believe that our goal as a functioning society
should be to do everything in our power
to improve social mobility.
And perpetuating this idea of nobility and noble birth
is entirely counterproductive to that goal.
Obviously it is sad that someone's mother
and someone's grandmother died.
And it seems like she was kind of bad-ass
like during World War II and stuff.
And she did some stuff that was pretty cool.
So like, yeah, for the people who were close to her,
that sucks, it's a bummer.
But the truth is I'm just not gonna put on
some theatrical grieving performance.
She wasn't my grandma or Luke's grandma
or the grandma of anybody that I know.
With all of that said, where I was clearly
a little bit tone deaf was that this seems now,
I realize this is an emotionally charged issue
for many people.
It wasn't my intention to disrespect you guys,
the many Britons and other people
for whom she represented something more
than a fancy lady with a cool shiny hat.
That was not my intention at all.
But I hope you will also take a moment
to understand my perspective,
which is that she is just a person,
a human like anyone else.
And that's it, I didn't know her.
I know practically nothing about any of this
just to echo Linus's thing, I guess.
If you wanna hear a cool story,
look up Queen Elizabeth II driving a prince.
It's an interesting story.
Cool. Yeah.
And I think that's it for the show today.
Okay, that's all.
Thanks for watching.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time and same bad channel.
Bye, also I did say it next week.
It just got cut off.
Last week you mean?
Did I say next week?
You did.
Oh, I'm gonna say it next week too.
Now I'm gonna try and cut him off.
I already did.
No, but like next week.
Oh.
So, I should wait a little while for the stream to catch up.
Yeah, just like a few seconds.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'll just watch it.
I'll just watch it and then I'll cut it at exactly the right moment.
It'll be great.
It'll be grand.
Here we go.
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