Welcome to the WAN Show, where we're going to be coming at you guys with all of the hot takes!
Just kidding, no hot takes today, because all of our news is extremely straightforward,
starting with, of course, that Elon Gate continues.
That's right, Twitter is threatening to enforce, or rather, could enforce,
consummation of the agreement for their $44 billion sale.
Meanwhile, Elon has formed, or is forming, a hardcore litigation department,
or as I call it, the whole...
In other news, Framework, who I have invested in, full disclosure,
Framework has joined Intel's 12th generation with a new motherboard
and some other really exciting news that is going to be great news for right-to-repair advocates.
What else we got today?
This topic that made me frown until I read it, and then it made me have a slight chuckle,
which is Microsoft patent system to play discs on consoles with no disk drive.
Try to figure it out before we get to the topic.
I figured it out. It's USB.
Whoa! That's crazy! How did anyone get that?
We can talk about how stupid that is later, though.
And YouTube is highlighting the most replayed parts of videos.
Hooray! That's news?
Amazing.
All right. Well, in other news... I have things to say about it.
Here's an intro. Okay.
I always die.
Hahahaha!
Hahahaha!
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Let's jump right into our first topic, which is not going to be the stupid Elon thing.
Instead, it's going to be talking about Framework Laptop.
There are two interesting things to announce from this week.
This was originally posted on the forum by Michael Muto.
That is the LTT forum, and the original article here is from Ars Technica.
Let's see if I can remember how all this stuff works. There it is.
That's right. You can buy the Framework Laptop's motherboard for $399 and make your own mini PC.
This system could also... I mean, I guess it's not really a system.
It's just like, you know, the ability to just use it outside of the case, which should have just existed, but I guess didn't.
This could also help you repurpose an old Framework board after upgrading.
If, say, for example, you wanted to upgrade to the new 12th Gen motherboard.
That's right. Pre-orders have opened up for Framework laptops equipped with Intel's latest chips in both fully assembled and DIY SKUs.
Likewise, the company now also sells standalone logic boards starting at $399, as we showed you just now.
That's a Core i5-1135G7. 12th Gen boards will be coming later. For now, they need them for completed systems.
Framework also released schematics on GitHub to help people design their own 3D printable cases
if they want to repurpose an old board for VESA-mounted AIO desktop use.
This is awesome. This is the kind of reduce and reuse that help us avoid the third R word, recycle.
Okay, we don't want to recycle things that we can still be reducing or reusing.
And this is one of the reasons that I got so angry when Apple first released their 5K iMac,
because previous iMacs actually had the ability to continue to breathe new life into them as a monitor
once you were done with the computer inside. Generally a really good monitor, too.
Now, there were justifiable reasons for Apple to not take that approach with the iMac 5K.
It actually required a very special DisplayPort implementation to achieve that resolution
at 60 hertz at that time on DP 1 point, I believe it was DP 1.2.
They had to bond together two connections, something, something, etc. It doesn't matter.
The point is that nowadays they could absolutely re-enable it, but now that they've normalized
not being able to continue to use your AIO computer as a monitor once the computer's not useful,
they've just been like, eh, forget it. And to be clear, anyone else who doesn't do that sucks, too.
But the reason that I harp on Apple as much as I do is that, as Apple goes, the rest of the
industry tends to follow because you can't possibly not be feature for feature competitive
with Apple, otherwise you're going to look like a flippin' idiot. So Apple's got all this extra
pressure on them to set a good example, and they take all that pressure, crumple it up into a ball,
and throw it in a fire because they just don't care. It's really funny. Have you seen any of the
new accounts coming out of the rift between Joni Ive and Tim Cook and how he ended up splitting
because, get this, Joni Ive felt like Apple was being far too utilitarian focused in its designs.
Good riddance, Joni! That ain't the problem.
That's great. Do you know where he's going?
No, he left ages ago. This was way back. This was way back. He runs his own design firm,
if you, I guess, want to... I was going to google it, but I don't care.
Yeah, fair enough. Yep, sounds good.
In other news, speaking of schematics, Framework also published semi-complete technical schematics
for the laptop boards as well. It's not hugely detailed, but the sentiment around it so far is
that it represents a good start, considering that no other manufacturers have any publicly available
schematics to speak of. I consider this at least a step in the right direction for them, but
as always, my stance on my Framework investment is going to be that if they do not continue to live up
to their promises to you and to me, my intention is to dump their stock publicly, messily. They
knew this going into it, and that was half the value for them, I think, is that I've essentially
got a gun to their head being like, no, for real though, I might just be a shareholder and a
relatively minor one at that, but if you guys f*** this up, it's going to be really bad, like really
bad. You're theoretically the canary, right, in this scenario, which is cool. It's kind of nice
that they have that. So this is, wow, this is actually really helpful. You are their don't be
evil. I like it. Except if the don't be evil goes away this time, it won't be like quiet, it'll be
loud. And I've got you guys to hold me accountable. Yeah. This is actually great. So they've got part
numbers, they've got what voltages these are supposed to be running at, which is, yeah,
like, okay, yeah, it's not perfect, but even just having like pinouts for things, a lot of this can
be reverse engineered as we've seen. But what if, what if, what if you didn't have to thank you?
Yeah. What if we just didn't have to, what if you just went, Hey, you guys are going to figure this
out anyway. Why don't we all just work together? I love it. I'm extremely happy. I wish they had
Ryzen 2 Zorg 666. I truly do. I, I have to, I have to believe that they are working on that.
I think the reality of it is that AMD just has not had chips to fulfill orders with over the last
18 months since their laptops use have actually been competitive. And if AMD, if AMD has to
allocate Silicon to something these days, I think we can all agree. It needs to be Steve Dax.
I still didn't email yet. No. When did you order? I ordered on WAN show. I don't know if it was
announced that day, but if it was announced that day, I ordered that day. But within the first
week. Yeah. So anyone who waited for any of our, you know, future coverage, you know, showing off
the hardware or anything like that. Here's a, here's a potentially interesting take on it.
I don't know if I've mentioned this or not yet. I don't, I don't know if I'm going to get it at
this point. Really? Yeah. Why? Because a big part of the reason why I wanted to get in the first
place was the same kind of reason why I was really into like buying those early VR devices is because
it was really cool to be on like that cutting edge. Yeah. Yeah. You've already missed a ton
of software changes on it. Yeah. Like it's a different device than it was the first day I
got it. I'm going to get it like a year after it launched. Not only that, but it's not like
the handheld gaming PC market is ending still. Oh, uh, is this embargoed? Uh, hold on a second.
Let me just find out if anyone's talking about this. Uh, one second, please. They're still
working on day one applicants. Yeah. Wow. Really? Apparently why this is someone in
flowplay chases to that. I don't know, but I mean, I believe them considering they still
haven't got to mine. Like they can't be that. Okay. This is apparently out there,
so I guess it's fine. Uh, but I just got my hands on this. It's a Gundam edition
of the one X player mini. And like, I know, I know I have trumpeted the cool a lot,
but I got to say as far as colorways and designs go, this is so much better than what anyone else
has done so far that it just blows my mind insane. Like the buttons look amazing. The,
the semi-metallic look that they got on these buttons looks flipping unbelievable. Wow. And
Aya has actually just announced an OLED version of their, I forget what it is. It's the Aya Neo 2,
Aya Neo 2, I think they're calling it, but it's OLED. Uh, it's going to be our DNA, our DNA,
what our DNA are we on now? Our DNA three or whatever. So it's going to be next gen,
next gen graphics. Uh, it's going to have, what is it? Rison Rison 6,000. Okay. Hold on. Aya Neo 2
on the Rison 6,800 U. Rison 6,800 U specs. I think it's our DNA three having trouble keeping
track of everything these days. There's so many, so many numbers and so many letters.
Just show it to me. Uh, Radeon six ADM. Yeah, I believe so. So it's apparently OLED,
which is going to be the first of its kind. That's one of my big complaints about the steam deck is
that the screen is fine. It's not great. It's fine. It's a, it's a value device screen,
but a well done one, you know? And so by the time you could get a response to your application to
buy a steam deck, there could be devices that just make way more sense. And the, and the whole,
the whole early adoption, this is going to be gone, which is like something that I like a lot.
I just, I don't know. I'm just, I, I suspect by the time they email me and they're like, Hey,
you can spend hundreds of dollars on this. I'm just not actually going to be that interested
anymore. Well, knowing like having your place in line though. I mean, if by that time valve is
upgrading the steam deck and it's going to have like a next generation SOC, that might be the
only way to be first in line for it. The timing might be good. Yeah. Yeah. The timing might be
like, I haven't, I don't even know if you can, I haven't like canceled my spotted line. I just
don't a hundred percent know of when they finally do offer it. If I'll still even be interested.
We'll see. Yeah. Aya has apparently not released pricing for the Aya Neo 2, and I don't have any
insider information, but it would surprise me a lot if the pricing was the same as what they
have done previously, rather than being more competitive with the steam deck.
All right.
Discussion question. What is the biggest omission in framework schematic drop? Yeah,
I don't think either. We'd have to dive through the whole thing for prepared for a lot more deeply
than Wansho allows. Thanks for the, thanks for the complete bus throw, Jonathan Horst,
by putting that question in there for us. What sort of public policy related to schematics would
be fair to manufacturers and repair shops alike? Okay. That's a better discussion question. Luke,
how can a manufacturer protect their IP while also allowing for third party repair shops to
repair these devices? Because first party repair is not always a good answer, depending on where
you are or what your financial means are. It just might not make sense. And then there's that whole
reduce reuse thing. Like even if it doesn't make a ton of financial sense, shouldn't we enable
people to keep these items out of the shredder? It's a, it's a, it's kind of actually a pretty
tough question because you could just say like, Oh, like patent it, whatever. But that doesn't
necessarily work all that great, especially once you get to out of country manufacturers.
And then, and then you, you could also say like, Oh, well, you should just like stick to your
ethics and your morals and whatever. And then like, be the company that people want to buy
from. And like, yeah, sure. That's all great. But then the world population has shown that
if something's cheaper, they don't much care about anything else. So it's, it's kind of tough.
I don't know. Making policy for that is going to be kind of tough. I think a,
yeah, I don't know. Find, finding something that is going to work universally. So a situation
where it's policy does genuinely sound pretty hard in regards to forcing people to make things
like schematics available. And I don't know if the right to repair movement actually goes that far.
I mean, the thing for me is that I feel like anything that can be found
will simply analyzing it. Yeah. Might as well just be provided for sure. How do you make policy
around that? Cause that, that's the, that's the thing that I'm currently getting hooked up on
is they specifically said policy. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, for, for my knee jerk reaction
is that I, I might not want to see this stuff. I was about to say, I might not want to,
to force manufacturers to reveal the model of chip that they're using, but then, yeah,
but then they, they have to reveal the trace layout for example, because that's something
that we could just X-ray and find if we were willing to put the time into it. Right. And
all you're really doing is increasing the barrier between like large repair shops and like small
mom and pop repair shops. But then if we don't reveal, if we don't tell them they have to reveal
which chips are being used, well then all of a sudden, well, if there's a failed component on
the board, so, okay, what you've got a blown trace. Now you can painstakingly put a hair sized
wire in to repair that, but if you can't replace the component that caused the trace to blow in
the first place, then it's not, it's not really useful. I mean, you could, okay, here's something
you could have like a, like a stair step style level of, of responsibility.
So right at release, you know, within some period of time, let's say a year, you can say, look,
everything is trade secret, especially at the rate that technology moves within a year, you could
say, okay, everything is trade secret within two years or 36 months, there's an additional
responsibility to release it. And then the second that the product is EOL, the second you are no
longer producing, let's say brand new ones or replacement parts, or maybe each of those events
triggers a new level of disclosure by the time this product is completely EOL and you are no
longer supporting it in any way. It is my belief that the full schematics just need to be published.
Yeah. And there's, there's potentially another way to approach this that I thought of while
you were talking, which is like, like you're talking, and this is generally how policy
goes and makes sense, but you're talking about like restrictions that maybe lift over time.
Yeah. Or I guess more restrictions that come in place over time, you have to release more
things over time, which kind of makes sense to me because it's going to be more interesting to
repair this thing after it's been out for a year, 24 months, et cetera.
Yeah. And it's going to be more likely to come up, right? Like most of them aren't going to
fail in the first year. And if they do, they're going to be immediately replaced under warranty.
Yeah. So once you would get to the external repair shop stage, those things would be available.
But I could also see a more positive reinforcement angle potentially working
where you go the route of like innovation grants to companies that are willing to support things
that are like right to repair. So like, you, you know, the like up here, there's like shred
and all that other stuff. You could have that same system or maybe a very similar system
start applying to companies that are willing to help repair shops keep their things around.
Gremlin injector over on float planes got an interesting idea, says EOL could be gamed.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean, we've seen, we've seen dishonesty from manufacturers in
terms of whether or not they are actually still producing a particular part, like theoretically,
it's up on their website, but no one's been able to buy it for six months. Why don't you just make
it by the time the first unit sold is no longer under warranty because that puts pressure on
manufacturers from two fronts. One is to support them for longer. And two is to provide more
information. I think you'd need to get into the weeds of how you define warranties and stuff
at that point. But that's something you could do. Doesn't seem insurmountable. That'd be cool.
I'd like that. Alex P from our editing team asks, so what about bankruptcies or companies
that disappear? I man, see that's, that's tough. Now it's very, I shouldn't say very rare, but I,
I think it's not, I think I'm pretty sure that it's less common these days for companies to
utterly disappear the way they might have a hundred years ago because of how much value of
a company is tied up in its intellectual property and its patents. So I would say that that
responsibility should fall to whoever the acquirer is, whoever the acquiring party is. And if they
do actually disappear outright, I see no reason whatsoever why that internal information shouldn't
just be public domain. As for who administers that, well, that gets a lot more challenging.
Gremlin injector also said innovation grants equals free money. LOL. Yeah. And it's crazy.
I had a conversation with someone very recently about this, about how it's been very hard for us
to get things like shred credits and stuff. Even when like, I'm not even trying for certain things
that I know don't apply, but there's certain things that we do that a hundred percent applies
and we push for it. And then we ended up getting in this situation where it like becomes this
endless paper train that they want us to fight for. And then you look at mobile game developers
and they have the one that I know of the best has a department, which is a legal team department.
Their entire job is capturing government grants. That's literally all they do throughout the entire
year is they fight legal battles for government grants. And I'm like, yeah, it sucks that that is
a profitable thing to have on your team. That sucks. Personally, I think that sucks. I don't
know. I don't want to get like way into the weeds of it, but that's, that's unfortunate.
Oh, production services, tax credits are the exact same thing. By the time you reach the scale
where you can engage with the government of Canada and get that stuff pushed through,
you don't need it nearly as badly as you did five years ago when you didn't have the kind
of time and resources. It's extraordinarily frustrating. And that entire industry seems to be
set up to make sure that that information doesn't leak outside of the, I'm going to use the term old
boys club, even though there's plenty of not boys who are not old in it. But I think you understand
the connotation of an old boys club. They don't want that information about how to do it to leak
out. There's so many things that are like that. Like you think it just wouldn't be political.
Realtors are the same way. Like you've got, we have encountered situations where we know for
a fact that especially commercial realtors are the worst, where they are absolutely not acting
in good faith in the, to, to best represent their client, because they'll basically, they we've been
told they get a percentage. So if it sells for more, they make more money. Well, no, not just
that we've been told in the past that they won't even look like realtors in the past.
That they won't even look at our offer unless we are represented by a commercial realtor that they
approve, for example, like the selling retails. So, so our representative needs to be like their
buddy so that everyone can just, you know, yeah. It's a hundred percent. Yeah. It's gross.
It's gross. And like, okay. Residential real estate, generally speaking, does a pretty good
job of ending up on MLS or Roo or whatever else. Commercial very rarely does. It usually changes
hands before even being publicly listed. And a lot of the public listings are just like,
it's like the client forced them to do it. Like just utterly bare bones, almost never pricing,
like most of the information you need isn't there. So you end up having to contact them and go and
see it anyway. And it's by design. It's so that they don't have to work with anyone that they
don't want to. I hate it. The whole realtor grift is extremely frustrating, which isn't to say that
I don't use one or value the services that ours provides. A very, very knowledgeable, you know,
broker or agent or whatever else or assistant or whatever you want to call it. When you're being,
when you're going through a transaction that is likely to be, if not will be the largest that you
will go through in your entire life, having an expert guiding hand, yeah, can be pretty useful.
It's just that most of the ones that I've encountered are flipping idiots who are just
looking to make a quick buck. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of money in it, so. Yeah.
There really shouldn't be as much as there is, no offense.
Canada's real estate situation, you know? All right. What are we supposed to be talking about?
Stuff, tech things, not real estate. No, I want to talk about lttstore.com.
Hey. Okay. You guys complained. We heard you. The women's sweatpants and crop top sweaters are now
available with embroidery. That's right. You can now get all the tech tips embroidered on your
sweater. Look at that. Nice. It just says tech tips. Well, what? You want it to say something
other than that? I don't know. I like the rainbow one on the pants. Yeah, the rainbow one's sweet.
The rainbow one's pretty dope. Yeah. So we have a couple of different designs. Oh, there's two,
okay. Okay. I get it. Yeah. These are pre-orders. So they're expected to ship by May 25th,
2022 and we're getting them embroidered locally. So embroidered in Canada.
Yo, the block design is cool. The block design is really cool. That's not actually the one I
preferred. I preferred the person one. You like the script one? I did. Yeah,
I like the block one. And in other news, we've got another promo. We do have some items we
need to get moving a little bit faster. So if you use code Memelord for the next seven days and pick
up a Linus selfie or sad Linus desk pad, you will get the sequin pillow for the price of $0. That's
right. It will be included for you. Dang. Very cool. Here, hold on. I'm just going to go ahead
and bring these up so you guys can see. Linus's screen here. Let's scroll through all the other
things that we might actually make money on. Oh, wait. Nick says the date is wrong. Hold on.
Oh, it's not May 25th. I need to update that. Sorry. Oh no. Oh, the 27th or something again.
I don't know. Soon. Soon. Anyway, here's some actually profitable things. I'm going to scroll
past that you guys could also buy, um, you know, as part of your order when you're getting free
pillows. So if you pick up either of these mouse pads, the desk pad or the mouse pad,
you will get this sequin pillow or, Oh, one of them. Okay, cool. There you go. The reviews
are excellent for the sequin pillow. We just ordered too many of them. It happens. It's part
of the laboratory. What are we talking about next? We take the lab in X days. Oh, sure. Yeah.
Let's talk about that. I can't believe you are going to have an office for the first time. I
think since you worked here private office in 12 days. No. When did you have a private office
before? I had your office for like a long time. Oh yeah. That's true. And then I took it and then
you took it. Well, I mean, in fairness, I work in the lounge. Yes. Well, okay. So for my laptop,
for the second time, really falling apart for the second. That's awesome. You can afford a new
laptop. Yeah. And if you needed one issued, you could just ask logistics. No, I know. I know. I
know. I know this is how this is how, you know, the laptop's actually completely fine. I don't
know. You can see the topic. Okay. You can see the topic right above that. Okay. I actually didn't
read that. And you play into this narrative that I'm some kind of monster. Cause it's funny. Yeah.
But people, I still think it's funny. I think it's funny too. We did. Oh man. We did this intro for
the moving blog video where I'm like, I'm assembling my logistics, Avengers, and the number
of actually serious comments actually concerned that they look so unenthusiastic to be there.
Like I have, like I have some kind of gun to their head, forcing them to come help me move
because I'm some kind of weird, awful, overbearing boss or something. I'm sitting here going, they
were told it's completely, completely optional. They were paid. Okay. They were paid and they
were instructed before that shot to look unenthusiastic because it's funny because it's
funny when people have to help someone move. It sucks. And you know what? It's it's I don't think
it sucks. I have always liked helping people move. Yeah. But it's like, it's a meme. It's cause it's
not me. If every time I have had to move, I hate it. But if I help someone else move, it's like,
Oh, this is cool. Of course we had fun. We were hanging out for the whole day and like running
around with, running around with Andy yelling content at things and entertaining. And let me put
it this way. They, they were fine. Okay. But we worked out a deal where it was fine. They just
chill. It's unbelievable. I don't force people to work here. You ordered lunch for people to,
I actually don't have that power. People didn't want to be here. They could just leave. I mean,
some of them do and they're fine because the people who work here are world-class employees.
It's not hard for them to find a freaking job. Oh, anyway, falling apart. Have one,
one new laptop here. No, no, no. I don't want it. Are you going to pull it another? I get two
laptops now. Okay. You know what? Just take this one too. Thank you there. I actually want to go
get more. I'll keep this one. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. I don't want a new laptop actually,
unless it's this one. I would, I would keep this one. This one's sick. Yeah. I mean,
I'll take a laptop. You want one? Yeah. I mean, if there's being handed out here. No,
you can take this one. Oh, thanks. I'll go. Congratulate it. Yeah. No worries. You can
have that one. That one's the coolest one. Um, yeah. So the laptop's fine,
which is why I don't have a new one. It is falling apart. Oh my goodness. I hope this
is a folding laptop. I think it is. Is that enough laptops for you? This is a folding laptop,
right? Yeah. It has that kind of hinge. I think it's fine. Oh God. Okay. Okay. Now we
have enough laptops. So we've solved that problem once and for all. Yeah. Um, yeah.
Eventually I'll be able to see my laptop again. There we go. Perfect. Anyway,
we take the lab in 12 days. But yeah, but then it's not, it's not my own office, right? Okay.
It is. So it's complicated. You're going to have two places to sit. You're going to be
downstairs with Gary and the developers because. So who, who, how, who's all,
how big is that room? Like who else? It's big. It's five people. Five. Okay. So,
so that'll be just labs developers. Yeah. They're both on probation right now,
but those two people plus one more. Okay, cool. Yep. Um, but for now, for now, sure.
Uh, but what I like about that location is it's extremely central. You guys will be,
there's like a stairwell right there to the top floor, which is where the LTT writing team is
going to move. The LTT writers are going to move to the lab. Uh, and then you are just one door
away from the lunchroom, which is nice. And then you're one other more different door away from
the bottom office, which is going to be everything that is not LTT writing. So writing for every
other Mac address and you know, whatever circuits or whatever. So that's going into lab too,
because that was up in the air last night. No, they're going to lab too. Okay. I think,
okay. Don't quote me on that. Okay. And then you'll also are actually,
you're in like this little aquarium with like windows and you're looking out into the shop
floor as it is now, but what will be the lab? Oh, that's really cool. So you're extremely
central. And then that staircase right at the top of the stairs is a call room that is just yours.
Cool. So you actually, most of the time, because I'm kind of expecting you, this is funny,
we're like actually having a meeting right now because of those things Luke actually does not
know. Um, most because you're going to be guiding the development efforts of the lab where Gary's,
I I'm expecting to have sort of the, the, the vision for how we are collecting and presenting
this data, but he has, to my knowledge, no experience managing developers whatsoever.
So we're going to, the ones that we have are just like fantastic and need very little management.
It's good. It's been great, but we will need your help. So you're going to be there to be a
resource. And then the other 80% of the time or whatever that works out, you can be in your office
and I expect you to just kind of ping pong between those two, those two locations. Yeah. And as long
as there's dual monitors on each end, I don't really care. Well, there's whatever you want on
each end. Yeah. Like that's honestly for how much you cost a couple of monitors or laptops here and
there is sort of a, I don't know, minor concern. I got to keep using this, this broken in half
laptop. Cause he won't, he won't give me a new one. So this guy means being poor and normally,
okay. Normally it would be against our HR policies for me to disclose any information about the
earnings of an employee, but I feel like he's kind of got it coming at this point. He's not
poor. This is a complete f***ing fabrication. This image, this, I only wear clothes I get for free.
He does. That's true. I'm wearing LTT underwear. I'd be wearing LTT socks if you freaking made
them. I've been waiting for years. But he's not poor. I just, I don't see a ton of value in
spending a lot of money and, and genuinely I'm, I'm bugging him, but my laptop is fine. I don't
have to do anything complicated on it. I watch videos and I type things. I don't need like a
really high performance laptop. It's fine. How do you think he stays rich? They say, well, not by
holding onto cash these days. That's for sure. Got to love that inflation. I love that it has the
name inflation, but what it actually means is that your buying power is going down. Yeah. It's
pretty, it's pretty rough. As far as I can tell, there's no safe Haven right now. Gold has stayed
pegged at a pretty consistent value compared to the USD. Crypto is like stocks. I mean what
government bonds? I haven't looked at those recently. Property. But even then government
bonds typically only appreciated a very low rate compared to dollars. No, I mean even, no, well,
okay. I don't know about everywhere, but here in Vancouver, no, it's going down right now. Well,
it's like poised for a crash finally, because we don't have zero interest rates, which are stupid.
Like what? Where are you? Where are you supposed to put it? I don't get it. So someone message said
best cheap gaming laptop video, please. I'm super stuck. If you listen to what I just said, I
wouldn't have a lot of good input because I don't use it for gaming. Yeah. The only things I use it
for is not gaming. So apparently there's a seven to 9% bond right now. Okay. So if you want to
tread water, apparently it's not financial advice. We don't know. Yeah. Apparently that's potentially
maybe an option, but I don't know anything about that. My investment is to keep dumping money into
LMG and hope that that works because it sure isn't my house. Oh, you got to try out. You got to try
out the thing that we did yesterday. You're, you're, you're coming over tonight, right? Yeah. Okay. So
yesterday I don't know where to go, which I don't know where you're actually like staying at this
point. Oh, we're at the new house. Okay. Yeah. So this is pretty exciting, man. It was like kind of
an emotional experience for me because yesterday we turned on helping you move out of your house
was emotional experience for me. I can't even imagine. It's a different one. Yeah. Different
emotional experience. It was like, I was sitting there thinking I made it because we set up the
home theater, like not finished, finished, but pretty much finished. And it is jaw dropping.
I bet. I have never seen anything like it. Better than a movie theater? Oh, movie theater, please.
Oh yeah. I will never set foot in a movie theater again. There will be no reason for that. I'm
actually so excited to watch Kingsman. I know. Right. We got it. So, so we both independently
watched the first Kingsman on planes without knowing that we both did it. And then we're
raving about it to each other, but how cool it was. Yep. And to be clear, we know they're stupid.
We know they're stupid movies. It doesn't matter. Get over yourself. That's like the point. Mars
attacks is a stupid movie and it's great. Yeah. Chill. Yeah. Go ahead. Then we went and saw
Kingsman two together and it was fantastic. And then Kingsman three kind of came out.
And I just like didn't notice me neither. There was like, there was a global pandemic and there
was so much going on at work and like I was moving and it completely whooshed me. So we're
going to watch it in the theater and I'm actually really stoked. I'm super excited. And yes, we know
the second one was even dumber. That's the point. It was awesome. Yeah. I really enjoyed it, man.
When, uh, when you don't know what you're doing and John pull up the whole thing was just great.
I don't know. I, I, uh, people, I remember seeing like, oh, it didn't like mature past the first
one. I'm like, awesome. I didn't want it to. There's certain kinds of movies where it's less
about what you're watching and it's more about who you're watching it with. Like I wouldn't even,
I wouldn't even consider sitting down with Yvonne on the couch and being like,
let's watch Kingsman. It's not that she can't, doesn't have a sense of humor or that she can't
enjoy that type of humor. It's just, it's not like her thing. The way that it, you know,
if you're just like, bro, it out and you're like, let's play bro force. Yeah. Bro to tour
the first Kingsman. Oh, I don't want to get spoilers just in case people are hearing about
it for the first time. Um, but yeah, there's like a, there's a musical scene at the end of,
I think it's the first Kingsman and there's all the rainbow colors. I'm not trying to get into
what happens. I don't remember. Okay. But the first time that happens, it's just, it's just a
riot, but I can absolutely understand. Like, yeah, if my mom was watching it, probably not
very impressed. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's hilarious to me. Um, oh, this is a good question. True Scott
asks over on float plane. Did you get the Vanta black sorted for the walls in the theater room?
Okay. So Vanta black we can't get because Vanta black is exclusively for scientific use or
something, or there's like one artist that's licensed to use it. It's a whole stupid thing.
You want to go down a stupid rabbit hole and find a stupid rabbit by all means go research the whole
Vanta black fiasco. Anyway, black 3.0 is the competitor to Vanta black that just anyone can get
as long as you're willing to pay. And I was thinking we should paint the theater room
vent or excuse me, Vanta black 3.0, because it will absorb the light that bounces off the white
screen around the room and then back onto the white screen, wrecking your contrast. Cause it'll,
it'll light up the light from the bright parts of the scene will bounce around and hit what are
supposed to be the dark parts of the scene, um, ruining the perceived contrast, but all the
comments on the moving blog were like, um, actually you just need to put velvet on the walls.
And I was like, Oh, dah, that actually makes way more sense because then you're going to absorb
and scatter it. And apparently it's a fraction of the cost. So you just need to find some kind
of adhesive sound stuff too. Yeah. Adhesive or staples are some of the common ways to put it up.
One of the other common ways is to actually attach it to some kind of board that you then
staple up in panels. And you could make that your acoustic panels as well. So there's like whole
guides for how to velour or velvet up your home theater. And I'm thinking maybe something along
the lines of, you know, the, the, the ceiling, maybe the whole thing, and then the sides, maybe,
I don't know, four to eight feet would probably do a lot of it. That would probably get us a lot of
the way. So I think that's going to be the plan because if we can do it for a fraction of the
cost and have it be removable, well, that's pretty great. Then if there's an acoustic benefit to it
as well, then there's, there's no way to, there's no way to lose at that point. That's awesome.
It's almost like the DIY people over on forums like AVS have been doing this for 20 plus years
and already know how to do it for flocking slash velvet. It's called sizing, not adhesive.
Fun fact for the day. Thanks. Ganja gremlin is velvet, not a fire hazard. I mean,
not if you spray it with fire retardant, I guess. Okay. I don't know. That's good.
Duvetyn wouldn't be so we could use Duvetyn. Duvetyn is extremely fire resistant. So just
line it with Duve. There, done. I actually wonder what the performance of Duvetyn versus sorry,
what did I just say? Duvetyn versus velvet versus velvet. Yeah.
Showing results for Duvetyn commando cloth or a velour. Look at this. There's whole articles.
Thanks. Charles Charles H Stewart.com. Your leading edge scenic design and backdrop rental
company for over a hundred years. Okay. Woven masking fabrics made from 100%
cotton. Few subtle differences. Okay. No. Oh, commando cloth is apparently better.
There's no pinholes of light. Okay. But then if you have a little bit of light shine through the
Duvetyn, that's probably not going to make it back. So probably. Yeah. Cause you're not,
you're not like hanging it in the middle of the room. You're putting it up against the wall,
probably different properties. Whoa. Commando cloth is more like jeans. It's double the weight
with a 100 yard roll coming in at a hundred pounds compared to just.
Put jeans on the wall. Knit napped fabric. That's memorable for its lush feel.
Very nice. The lure and velvet. I don't know if I want to spend time in the, in the dark.
This whole article is just to tell you what they are and not to tell me which one to
gosh, darn it. Charles H Stewart. I'm not impressed. Not impressed. Not one bit.
Oh man. So we'll, we'll figure out exactly what material,
but Duvetyn would probably be safer. There's a note in the doc for a hammer time update.
I don't know how many people are going to even know this story at this point. But.
Stop. Hammer time. But yeah, but the, the whole coal bar hammer situation,
it has now officially been over a year because the last update was in April, 2021,
and it's now May, 2022. And there has been no update. There's a, there's a button
from Kickstarter now to anonymously, I don't care if it was anonymous or not, but anonymously
request an update. I don't think that was there in the past and I clicked it. Do I think that's
going to do anything? No. But Hey, I really, really hope that this ends with me receiving
something. Not even because I even wanted an NFT of a coal bar hammer. Sure. Just, I just,
I want the story to conclude. And as long as there's no, like, if it just goes off with no
update and no item received, then I'm just left hanging. Like what happened? Yeah.
And if you get an NFT, then you can still be like, what happened? But you can have this sick
bored monkey hammer. It's just a picture of a bored ape holding this like weird hammer dude,
whatever. At least I get something, a t-shirt with a picture of the hammer. Yeah. Like I just,
I want the story to end. That's where I'm at right now. I just want there to be some form of ending
so that I can have closure. That's about it. You want to talk about Microsoft patenting a system
of play discs on consoles with no disc drive? I'd rather talk about how we should both feel
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It's been a little while. Ouch. It's been a little while. I, uh, I got a bunch of tweets from
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Um, really? Yeah. You and I both said that Disney buying Star Wars was a good thing.
Um, there, there was some good ones. There was some bad ones, but it was interesting seeing like
what we were talking about back then. It was kind of cool. Yeah. I rewatched the first like third
of rogue one and it was fine. Yeah. So it, it, rogue one is the, the like best one that they've
released though. It could have like, it could have actually been okay. Yeah. And then it wasn't.
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Elongate continues? I'm gonna let you do it this time. I don't want to, I don't want any,
this is a zero, a zero hot take. It's so not interesting to me, which might not help. Oh man,
Anthony. Okay. Can I read Anthony's editorializing? This is not mine. Do you really
want to? Yup. Anthony says, don't call it Elongate. Don't let him control the narrative
that way. It's amusing, but don't call it something lame, like a musky meltdown,
because that's all he deserves. It's pretty funny.
Man, we should make Anthony's new job to write put downs. Just be sassy. Like, yeah,
I love it. Sassy Anthony is a pretty amazing Anthony. Yeah. I don't want to add like, you
know, more gas to the flames, but that was funny when I read it. I don't know. This is so not
interesting to me. Basically he's trying to potentially get out of it or get a discount
because there's way more bots than they claimed. Allegedly. They're like, yes, allegedly. Allegedly
he's trying to get out of it. I don't think he's actually confirmed that he's trying to just
have peak buyer's remorse. I think what he's saying and might be doing, I don't know. I don't
know the guy. I think what he's saying is that he just, it should be cheaper because like what
he's buying is not what it actually is because he's the one who made the offer. And if he didn't
know, if he didn't know that it's all bots, then he's an idiot. So I said, I wasn't going to have
any hot tapes today. And it's over. Anyone who doesn't know, anyone who doesn't know Twitter
is full of bots. Like what are you at? Has he ever opened one of his own tweets? Cause I,
from my experience on the platform, the most like bodied responses ever go in his tweets. Cause it's
all pictures of him saying he's going to give people free crypto, which must work or else they
would stop doing it. But it's like under every tweet, it's like, by the way, guys giving away
free crypto click link. Thank you. From like an account that has this picture and that's it.
That's clearly not him anyways. Yeah. So I don't know. That's like literally the whole story,
but it's like super long. We can get into it more if you want. There's a $1 billion reverse
termination fee, but they might be able to force him to not do that because he would have to prove
that it's more than 5% bots. And how can he do that without having access to their server?
Yeah. So they can, they can make him close the deal if they get a court order. If they can't,
he definitely has to pay a billion dollars to walk away. But I think a big part of the problem
and why they might want to force him to do it is because this whole fiasco has tanked Twitter stock
even more than the rest of tech over the last six months. Cause tech has just been absolutely
Which is like probably good cause it was insanely overvalued.
But you know, like they want that price now, obviously, cause it's a pretty freaking good
deal for them. Apparently they popped champagne in this meeting. That's not in these notes,
but I've from, from someone who works at Twitter, they were talking about how they
popped champagne in this meeting. Cause they're like, we got them. Really? I guess. I don't know.
I don't know all the details because I never cared. I didn't know this was going to be in
the doc. This is so uninteresting to me. Excessively rich person might be getting
screwed over by company that was excessively overvalued. Like whatever dude. I don't know.
But it could be, it's at the point now we're paying the billion dollar penalty to walk away
and then coming in and offering again. Could literally be worth it.
Could be completely worth it. Yeah. If they don't force the buyout, they could sue Musk
for damages capped at 1 billion or try to reach a settlement for a greater amount.
Musk seems like he's gearing up for a fight though. Tweeting on Friday that he is. This is
great. Building a hardcore litigation department where we directly initiate and execute
lawsuits. Nice. Nice. That's hardcore. That sounds really cool. Let's go. It's hardcore.
To try to balance out the Elon news a little bit. Yeah. It sounds like,
Oh, I lost the original link for this. Hold on. Tesla released all service manuals and
wiring diagrams for free. Yeah. They used to be really expensive. You can access them,
but they were like very oppressively expensive. It was $32 an hour or $106 a day or $372 a month
or $3,188 a year. So documents as a service. Pretty much. That's horrible. And then they
just changed the yearly price to $0. Well, that's great. Yeah. Well, you're not going to applaud
with me. You're going to leave me completely hanging. Fine. In that case, why don't we
didn't even need to look at you? Yeah. I'm still here by the way. What's up? Zoom it. Zoom it.
Get him out of here. I think he'd have to like physically do it. No, he can do it. Can he? I
believe in him. Oh, you could software it. You could just crop it closer to the screen and it'll
be like, it's only my true. Yeah. You could sit in front of the desk. That would work.
I have to be here. Wait, I have to do sound effects.
Right. Cause I've got no mic. There's no mic. But yeah, that's cool. I guess. I don't know.
People like, what do you mean you guess? That's amazing. Yeah. A lot of the articles talking
about it are like, we learned all these new things. And I'm like, well, no, because people
had access to it. It was just paid. So it's, it is very cool that it is free because, uh, while for
like a shop or something, 3,200 bucks a year might not be that bad. I mean, that was more than that
a year. 32 bucks was per day. No 3,200. Oh, cause it was 3,188. So I rounded up slightly 3,200 bucks
a year. I mean, it sucks, but it's not going to like crush your shop or anything. Um, unless you
aren't servicing Tesla's constantly. Yeah. Might actually suck a lot. I, I think the, the best
this is for though, is like people who might be able to do some of these repair jobs at home
because like $32 an hour. Yikes. I don't know. That sucks. Knowing me, I would, um,
pay for the hour and then permanently have all the documentation. Yeah. There's probably a way
to do that, but, uh, but just providing it just sucks. It should be free. And I'm really stoked
that it is free and that's cool. I'd like to know what the other car manufacturers do. I think you
have to buy those like huge service manuals. I think, whoa, my knowledge on that is very old.
Yeah. If anyone knows more, that would be, that would be great. Let us know in the meantime,
let's talk about, Oh, we should do some more anything else. Oh, nice. Let's do some
merch messages. Awesome. Uh, bell hit us from Gabriel. I've been watching for a while and just
built my first PC. What's a decent price keyboard with swappable switches and gamer RGB. That'll
make me faster. Uh, you know what? I'm going to leave that to the chat because frankly,
swappable switches, pretty much any mechanical keyboard has swappable switches. If you try hard
enough, if you want like quick swappable switches, uh, you're mostly looking at the case that's
involved. Um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I haven't done a lot of keyboard shopping since
swappable switches became a big feature that anyone cares about. So I'll, I'll let the chat,
I'll let the chat kind of chat with you about that. That's also pretty true for me. There's
kind of like a wave two of keyboard nerds. I just really just don't think I care about
swappable switches. It's not the kind of thing that I would, um, do. Yeah. Honestly,
I might repair, like I might care about being able to repair it, but I have the soldering skills
to just solder in a new switch. So I don't need a socket for it. So I just don't care.
Whatever you do, do not buy drop.com. Why? Yeah. Why? I don't personally like it when statements
like that are made with nothing qualifying behind it. I mean, they definitely have good stuff.
Like the drop pandas are fricking amazing. So I don't know. Oh, my Honda S 2000 official manual
cost around $200 says biz someone in float plane chat. All right. That's good to know.
Is that a permanent, uh, Oh, I had to pay PW for a service manual for my jet. It was 50 bucks.
Okay. All right. So it sounds like Tesla was kind of out to lunch on their pricing.
I was able to buy the dead tree versions. I like that of complete maintenance and technical
manuals for my Tahoe for 350 bucks. That's in line with what my understanding was for a long time.
Got it. Got it. But they're usually like genuinely like really big.
Right. Okay. From Colin question for either of you. This came up after he'd mentioned how
everyone here is world-class. Do you keep in touch with any of the formal former LMG employees?
Um, some of them. Yeah. I mean, like, uh, you mentioned max specifically,
we did a photo shoot with her. Um, it was, uh, man, it was a couple of years ago now.
It was like pre COVID, but we actually hired her as a freelance photographer.
Afterward. Um, I'm still in touch with Ivan, as you guys know, because we did the, uh,
the charity auction with his GPU collection quite recently, he was looking to reach a bigger
audience with it. So we, uh, we agreed to collaborate on that. I was in contact with
Burkle for quite a while and we don't exactly talk that often anymore, but for no negative reason,
and I still like follow his shenanigans on the Instagrams. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's,
it's going to depend, right? Like whenever I open that app once a half a year, it's one of those
things where it's like, you know, how many people from high school are you still in touch with?
Yeah. We're at the point now where there's been, it's been that long in total, like 75 people who
have come and gone through here and maybe they're not gone yet, but who are at some point going to
be gone. Nobody works at the same place forever. Right. And so am I going to stay BFFs with every
single one of them? No. Um, you know, I I'd like to, I, you know, when I had, uh, when I had
Terrence exit meeting, I, I made it very clear that my intention was to engage in a collaborative
manner, you know, post L post LMG, um, you know, I'd like to think that Luke and I would stay
friends forever, even if we weren't working. Do you need more laptops? Is that what this is about?
I took them all away. It removed the weapons.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Like it's, uh, it's tough. Uh, ECU 55 asks,
is John still here? Yeah, absolutely. He, he moved back home, so he's working remotely now,
but yeah, he's still here. We actually have extremely low turnover given that we're
approaching our 10th birthday now. Like I think we've, I can count on both hands,
the people who we hired at some point and who are not still here, not including people who
didn't make it through the three month probationary period there's a in Canada,
or at least in BC, there's a three month trial period where either party with no strings attached
whatsoever can just say, you know what, this isn't, this isn't working, uh, which is really
good because there's definitely been some square peg round hole situations that just aren't
anybody's fault. Where it just, yeah, just, yeah. I'm glad, I'm glad this isn't complicated.
Bye-bye. It happens. It happens. No one's ever quit full plane. I'm actually very proud of that
and we'll be very happy when that ends, but I hope, uh, when not if, but when it does end that
it's on good terms. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a big thing is like, I don't, I don't want any
bad blood in my life. It's not worth it. Nobody needs that drama. From Jason after so many years,
do you guys ever still feel anxiety in front of the camera or in crowds? Uh, crowds. Yeah. I mean,
I've, I've, I've worked hard to be a, um, like a more outgoing person. So like outgoing, uh,
Oh, sorry. Piper G. I just accidentally curated your thing, which means it won't show up down
here, but you didn't really ask a question. So welcome to the show. Yeah. It's uncurated now.
Thanks. Bell. Um, sorry. Sorry. This is what happens when I get involved in comment moderation.
What was the question? Uh, do we, do we still get anxiety in front of the camera or yeah,
crowds aren't easy for me. I don't actually like it. I enjoy aspects of it, but it,
when I, when I spend a bunch of time in a group of people, like when we get,
when we get home or when we get to the next rest point, like my wife doesn't even talk to me,
not because she doesn't want to, or because she hates me or because I would lash out at her or
anything like crazy, but just because she knows I'm going to need some decompression time. Cause
I just don't, I don't, it doesn't come naturally to me. It's one of those things where I, I was
at just a geeky guy first and then just learned slowly how to do this. Like I know it's, it's kind
of funny. I was kind of a, a class clown, like a bit of an attention seeker in school,
but I was never good at it. I never got any kind of good attention. That's new.
I was going to say, I can't imagine you not being attention seeking class clown,
but then I do find it really funny. Just you being really bad at it.
Yeah. That's pretty entertaining. I haven't experienced you in that state,
but it's just funny to like think about. Yeah. And like people didn't like me,
like I wasn't charismatic. Right. So I, I liked the crowds. I, but I get the same thing where
afterwards I'm like super drained, like super emotionally drained. But I think just because
of like growing up, going to PAX every single year and having the PAX crowd kind of grow around
with me. Cause like the first time I went to PAX, it was like 5,000 people or something. Right.
And these days it's like 80 plus. I like the crowds when it's generally like-minded people.
So at events like PAX, at events like LTX, stuff like that. It feels, yeah. I feel at
home there for some reason. IEM Dallas. I like the crowds at IEM. Yeah. But it is,
it is definitely still draining. Camera? I don't think so. Camera can be tough,
especially when combined with a crowd. I'd say that's the situation where I still feel it most
when I was on stage at LTX. Do you feel anxiety though? Or is it just a lot of mental energy?
You trying to make sure that you're, you're on the ball. There's definitely some nerves. Like when I,
when I had to go out and do a panel being broadcast live while also having a live audience
in front of me, the man, the live audience is so much fun, but it's also so much more
nerve wracking because if you think something's going to land and it's like.
You don't want to, you don't want to have that silence. What was it? Jeb Bush or whatever,
where he's like, please clap. You don't want to have that moment. Speaking of Bush moments,
you see the, uh, you see the little verbal blunder. Oh yeah. I don't think we should get
into that, but yeah. Sorry. One second. Uh, hello. Uh, Freud Freud. Is that, is that you?
I just, yeah. Why, why are you calling? How'd you get this number? Sorry. Sorry. Are you alive?
Hello from beyond the gray. Sit down. Oh man. Oh boy. Uh, anyways, next question
from Sydney. Hi Linus. I'd like to challenge your views on game items. How is it different
from a movie? You pay some money to look at something and feel emotions, pride, confidence,
joy, et cetera. How are you going to keep it for longer than two hours? How are game items
different than a movie? Luke, can I just remind you that this is a paying customer you're laughing
at right now. That's just so, uh, man. Oh geez. I mean, uh, huh. Hmm. Well you see a movie is an
entire experience worth of content that you have not seen before. And you were there to experience
the, the story and the characters and the cinematics and all this type of stuff. And
a skin in a game is a slightly different version of the same gun that you've been using the whole
time. They're not the same thing. I'd say that a skin in a game is more comparable to
like collecting things, but at least if they're physical things, I guess they, I mean, honestly,
that's not really one that I particularly get either. Um, like just physically collect. Like
I never collected, I think the last time I collected objects was when I was a child. No.
Okay. What did I collect? You used to collect like, uh, you had that unobtanium bin.
Oh, okay. That's still a collection. Is that a collection? Those are mementos.
Like that's not, that's not just collecting retro games or collecting movie posters.
Like I, like I could see, I don't consider, I don't consider the ticket stubs for every,
you know, movie you saw together as a couple. I don't consider that a collection.
That's mementos. I'm talking like collecting collectibles, like buying super Nintendo games
that you never played and are probably never going to buy or whatever just for the sake of
having a collection. That's something that I've never really understood, but I could see how
something like in game skins could tickle that same bone. How is that the same as a movie?
Well, no, it's nothing like a movie. I'm not defending that. I'm just saying, I'm just saying
that I can understand how people could be into that. Um, but in a way where I don't understand
how people are into that, I understand that people are into collectibles and I think that's fine.
I think a lot of the ways that games do that type of stuff is very predatory. I think there are also
examples where it's completely fine. I have always defended League of Legends version of free to
play. The game is free. Yes. You can buy skins. Yes. Cool. They have to support their development
somehow. Yes. You can, I don't, I'm pretty sure you can't unlock skins through regular play. I'm
completely fine with that. It's just a visual thing. Then just don't have skins. You can play
and buy no skins and that means you can play for free and you can play ranked and you can do all
that type of stuff. It makes sense to me. I don't like games. Let's think of like some of the worst
examples. We have like a subscription model game that also has a cash shop that includes loot
boxes that you have to buy expansions for. It's just like, oh my goodness. So here's the problem.
To me, buying a skin is akin to buying like, like for me, an in-game item should be earned.
If I didn't earn it, it has no value to me. So it's kind of like buying someone else's bowling
trophy. Like I didn't bowl a perfect 300 game. So why do I have this trophy? Someone said lol,
so World of Warcraft, there's a lot more games than WoW that fit that description.
Sorry. So, so yeah, I guess like, like I'm just trying to, I'm trying to differentiate. I'm not
saying nothing digital has any value whatsoever. Oh, for sure. And to talk about the example that
you just gave, the skin should show that you like accomplish something or whatever. I strongly
agree with that. I also understand that that doesn't work in models like the League of Legends
model. And League of Legends actually has that to a certain degree. If you win certain events,
I don't remember how it works. I haven't played in a long time, but if you win certain events,
you can get like a specific skin for like hours played. Sure. Or like for, for not,
for not bailing out of a match a hundred times in a row, like rewarding non-toxic behavior.
How about that? There's, there's an innovative idea. That's the reason why I don't like it when
they, when they compound models, because that was something that I had a huge problem with,
with destiny is destiny is a, is a game that you buy and it has expansions. I don't remember if
you have to buy the expansions. I don't know, whatever. And then there's this cash shop and
some of the coolest stuff, some of the coolest skins in the game, which I do care about,
but I care about it when I accomplish something that gives me that I don't care about it
whatsoever. If I buy it from the store, I have zero value in it from there, but there's content
that could have been in the game that would have been unlocking these things that you know is now
not in the game. And there's constantly developer testimonials of like, yeah, we developed this
thing that looks really cool. And it was for this new raid tier. And the original idea was like,
if you beat it in like under this amount of time, or you like take this low amount of damage or you
whatever, whatever, whatever, you get this thing. And then the business team was like, cash shot.
And we had to take out these challenges, which is content. Yes. And like, I personally really,
really like kind of almost odd, unintentionally challenging ways of playing games. Like
something I used to love to do is like, Oh, it's a shooter game, but it has like a crossbow. I'll
restrict myself to only using the crossbow for fun, or I'll try to play a game like non-lethal
or whatever. And then there's weird like achievements or whatever you can get for doing
those types of things. And I always thought that was really cool. And games have less of that stuff
now because they're trying to sell the same stuff that you would have got if you just did those
things. Sucks. Walker of sky. Oh, I get it. It says, I bet Linus is taking something along the
lines of if you get a physical item, you get to keep. Oh, I don't know what you're replying to.
So maybe this is not relevant, but I also think one difference with the movie is that you are
theoretically assuming that you buy it on a platform where it can't be taken from you,
like a blue, like a physical disc. You have it forever. When that game inevitably shuts down
and the developers like, yeah, forget it. Or just allows it to go to seed like valve has done with
team fortress two and the current bot situation. It loses all of its value and you'll never get
any use out of it. Again, you can't, you can't like hand it down to anyone assuming that they
even wanted it. Like to be clear, I also don't want to, I also don't want to promote just like
acquiring stuff for the sake of having stuff. I'm not saying that because it's physical stuff,
it's better. No, that's, that's not necessarily true at all. If anything, I'm trying to encourage
my family to do far more reading on the Kindle and you know, on a tablet or a phone and far less
acquisition of physical books. Not that I don't personally appreciate the sound of the paper and
the smell of a real book. I really do. But boy, did they ever take up a lot of space.
It's literally just packing your house with fire starters at a certain point. So it's like,
Oh, okay. This is just a really good comment on Twitch chat, which is unusual. So I'm going to
read that snow for all says the problem with end game or late game items in single player games is
you barely even use them. Then it's over. That is so that drives me so crazy. Bravely default too.
That was one of the things that bothered me so much as I spent the whole game getting to like
this like S tier party. And then I was like, wait, hold on. That was the boss fight because spoiler
alert that particular game like changes the plot with the bad guy. Well, since the bad guy bet,
you never saw that one coming. So how do I know your expectations? Yeah. How do I,
how do I know if they're going to, you know, rug pull me again or not? I don't know. So I,
so I fought the boss and I was like, Oh, I guess the game's over now. And I like, there were
literally items I didn't even equip. Cause I was like, Oh, you know, might not might get a chance
to use these later. I somewhat agree with that. I somewhat don't some, some games do have
replayability. Some games super don't and that's fine. I'm not necessarily saying that one is
better than the other. There's some games that don't have replayability that I think are fantastic
and there's some games that do. But for an example, like say Pokemon embraced Nuzlockes,
do you know what a Nuzlock is? No. So Pokemon games are easy. That's fine. Speak for yourself.
I found them extremely difficult when I was a child. Well, yeah. Okay. Because the whole idea
of a Pokemon game is you're learning counters, right? And as you play longer, you learn more
counters. So they make the game harder, but ultimately you're going to figure out that
water beats fire and whatever you're finding, you keep going. Yeah. And that if you choose
anything other than Bulbasaur at the start, then you're a moron. Maybe this is why you found the
game hard. Char's are no chart. Our Charmander is just like, it's so like, it's such a hack.
Why would you even know? It's just, it's stupid and squirtle. Gross.
I am deeply offended. Well, okay. The idea of a Nuzlocke and I might screw this up a little bit.
But the idea of a Nuzlocke is you catch the first Pokemon that you find in like a region
or whatever. It's so fun to bother him about stuff. Like you could tell actually upset,
actually upset. Yes. I was a Bulbasaur kid, but it also just doesn't matter. That's true. But yeah,
you, you, I think you can catch the first Pokemon you encounter in a region and then you can't
catch another one in that region. Oh, really? So it really limits to catch it. And I believe
if one of your Pokemon faints, you have to just like get rid of it. I don't remember if that's
a thing, but it's like hard mode. Yeah. And I could look it up and maybe I said those things
wrong and I'm sorry, but there's, there's more rules to it too and everything, but it's a way
like harder version of playing the game. If Pokemon like just embraced Nuzlockes as like a
built-in difficult version of playing the game. And then if you beat a Nuzlocke, you go, you got
some like form of accolade, whether it was like a visual thing or whatever, like that would be
so cool. That would be a huge value add, but I'm sure games like that to take it away from
Nintendo and away from Pokemon for a second, games like that would rather just sell you the
cosmetic that they could make for making that type of system, which would be a way more interesting,
way more engaging and better way of being able to play the game if you wanted to play it on that
level, because not everyone's going to want to like, not everyone goes and goes for the hardest
difficulty in certain games. There are certain game types that I like to play that I don't want
to play it at super high difficulty. There's other games where I do it. It depends. And you
shouldn't have to, but if you do it, it would be cool if you got something for it. Why not? And I
feel like a lot of those types of things are being removed from games. It's kind of the same thing
where like when us boomer boys were growing up, a lot of games had cheat codes that would make the
game more fun. And now it's like, nope, buy the DLC or whatever else. It's like, yeah, come on.
Speaking of, oh man, come on. Microsoft patents a system to play discs on consoles with no disk
drive. Luke, you want to do this one? It's so funny. Okay. Yeah. I read that title
and my immediate knee jerk was like, what? That doesn't work. It's got to just be an external
optical drive. How else is this going to happen? And then I start reading through it and I'm like,
okay, okay. There's actually some cool things in here and I'll get to those in a moment.
And I finally get to the bullet point that's like the proposed system involves using an
external disk drive to verify the Xbox game. It's like, yeah, of course.
Okay. Anyways, so let's actually go properly through it because it is somewhat interesting.
Over the past decade, we've seen physical media become less and less prevalent as more consumers
have switched to digital purchases or streaming services. That is true. I have some problems with
that. Whatever. Let's move on. To the point that both Microsoft and Sony sell a version of their
current consoles with no disk drive, also known as in this specific case, the Xbox Series S.
If you decided to pick up an Xbox Series S, you'll find you have no way to play your Xbox One
back catalog if you have them on digital or physical versions. But in a recently discovered
patent from 2020, it's not even new, Microsoft proposes a system allowing players to receive
digital versions of the games that they bought on disk. So that's what's going on.
You're verifying that you have it, I guess. It's unknown.
I don't know if this goes into the notes, but it's unknown if the physical version will
keep working fully independently. Because if it did, you could sell that.
Would it transfer the license to the digital version? Can you transfer it back?
Okay. And then how does it stop the physical version from working?
Are you sure it's 2022? Because it sounds like 1984.
It's weird. Do we own anything anymore? I'm not actually sure.
I mean, that's my continued argument for buying stuff like Switch games physically.
And I know a lot of people don't want to do it, and that's fine. You do whatever you want.
Well, if there's anyone who's going to **** you on it, it's going to be Nintendo.
Yeah. Honestly, though. Seriously. That's part of my argument. They're really bad with
anything online. The fact that there's still no way... I
actually... You know what? I don't even care, because at the end of the day, I was already
really upfront with them about it. Nintendo reached out about a sponsorship engagement with
us. And my response to them was, I think, a classic Linus moment, where basically I said,
look, I'm just going to read it to you, because whatever, it's my email. I can read it if I want.
I should start by saying I'm a lifelong Nintendo user. Breath of the Wild is probably my all-time
favorite game, and my Switch OLED is currently the only modern console in my house. I'm not a fan of
anything. I do love the product and Nintendo's unique approach to gaming that has made their
content fresh and innovative for my whole life. The Wii is the only consumer electronics device
I've ever camped overnight to buy on release day. These are all things that are true. However,
this is bolded, underlined, and italicized. However, yeah, it is.
When it comes to engaging as a business, I have some serious problems with some of Nintendo's
anti-consumer policies and practices. Depending on the messaging, I could still be open to working
together, but you guys should understand that it won't change how I feel about some of Nintendo's
past and present behavior, and that it won't change how I talk about it to our audience.
One easy example is how blatantly Nintendo bullies customers into paying for Nintendo
Online to back up save files when it could just as easily be done to an SD card, requiring no
cloud save and no monthly fee. The ideal outcome of these conversations I have with you is that
it reaches the ears of Nintendo's executives who see the light and realize that part of meeting
the competition, I'm assuming this is about getting out ahead of wide availability of the
Steam Deck, head-on is shifting to a more consumer-centric approach. Marketing may not be
enough. The more likely outcome is none of this changes and you guys may be stuck in an awkward
position where one minute I'm partnered with Nintendo, sharing co-developed messaging,
and the next minute you're explaining to some executive that I'm expressing frustration
bordering on anger that Super Mario Party for Switch never got patched to make the board game
mode playable. No, I don't consider it playable if you can't skip the tutorial crap.
CC and Colton from my business team, just want to make sure you've got full transparency about
how we work here. Our audience values our authenticity, which is why you're knocking
on our door. You've just got to know upfront, whoop, my phone went to sleep,
that we won't compromise that authenticity for any brand or any deal. I forget how we
started this conversation. Oh, we were talking about how I am an advocate for buying physical
Switch games. Right. And I was saying they don't even allow you to back up your save files. The
fact that this is a portable device that you must pay an online fee to retain save data for
should be illegal, in my opinion. It's crazy. It's insane that as consumers, we accept this.
Yep. And you can resell your physical games. We'll see if they decide to engage with us. I
think it might show a step towards a greater degree of maturity. But like I said in the
email, what I suspect is that they will see this bulk and go work with someone else. I don't know.
I don't know if they've responded, I think. How long ago did you send it?
I don't remember. I shifted it over to Colton and then I haven't thought about it since.
Got it. It's not my problem, right? It's one of those things where I understand the kind of
traditional company that Nintendo is. And there's types of companies, right? You get a feel for
these things after a certain amount of time. You know how they work. And there's types of
companies where they actually don't understand that a sponsorship one time doesn't mean that
they own you. It doesn't mean that you're just going to fillet them about everything.
Not the best time to go for a drink of water.
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. The memes. I couldn't help noticing that's eggplant colored.
Ah. And I get the vibe that there's a certain company culture at Nintendo where there's
certain aspects, there's certain parts of the company. And you got to understand,
every company is made up of many people, dozens, hundreds, thousands,
tens of thousands of people. Varying opinions, varying stances.
They're all individuals, right? But you can smell an Nvidia employee from a mile away.
They have a type, right? And a lot of that comes from the top down. And I'd like to think we have
a company culture here. I'd like to think it's a pretty positive one. But certain companies,
you get the vibe that if they sponsor you, they're going to have this sort of misunderstanding.
And it's going to create a bunch of drama and a bunch of strife and a bunch of problems in my
life that I just don't feel like having. And if they're not down for the way that we work,
then I just want to make sure it's real clear up front that you're not going to like it then.
So you might as well just take your money elsewhere. Go work with somebody else.
All right. What are we talking about?
Either more.
Is there anything else to like... YouTube is highlighting the most replayed parts of videos.
I can't say I care too much about this one, but you chose it as a main topic, so...
I mean, how many topics were in the doc this week?
Six.
We got to call out four.
Okay, that's true. That is sort of the routine.
I usually get stuck with the last two.
That's true. That's one of the alpha moves that I pull just to f*** with this guy. It's great.
He leaves me with nothing, and then one of the topics that I pick out out of nothing,
he's like, why did you pick that one? I'm like, what else is there, bro? Come on.
Anyways, I thought there was maybe some interesting takes. I have concerns about
how this will affect watch time. I think this could hurt watch time for sure. I kind of
would bet that it will hurt watch time. And I just find it very funny that they are just
continuing to steal features from porn sites. Those are the two things that I wanted to bring
out. Okay. Well, I guess that's pretty good then. We could also talk about the RTX 40
rumour mill spills. Rumours have emerged this week that Nvidia's upcoming Ada Lovelace
architecture may be coming earlier than expected. Maybe early Q3. That could be as early as mid-July.
Anthony's note says pronounced cop-ite seven Kimi. Oh, that's the user who tweeted. We could
see it in Q3. Leaked specs are that the AD-102 300 could have 16,000 FP32 CUDA cores,
24 gigabytes of GDDR6 memory, 450 watt TDP, and double the RTX 3090's performance. That is pretty
incredible. It looks like it is going to be a pretty substantial update based on the latest
rumours when it had been rumoured that it was going to be more of a refresh. And at the rate
that RTX 40 is apparently being pulled in and the rate that ARK is being pushed out, we could see
Ada Lovelace before we see ARK, especially in the West. Crazy. Change of plans may or may not have
been accelerated by some combination of the crypto crash, RDNA 3 and ARK. Or the original rumours were
just flat out wrong, which is also a possibility. There was one more thing. Oh yeah, AMD says their
Radeon cards are better bang for the buck. They're mostly right. Oh, I should disclose that we have
worked with AMD in a sponsored capacity around Radeon recently. That video hasn't come out yet,
but it's about sort of getting the most out of your Radeon card. So that's there. Just wanted
to make sure that's clear, but this is just editorial coverage of AMD's marketing head, Frank
Azor, posting an interesting chart on Tuesday, comparing the performance, power usage and price
of AMD's GPU lineup compared to the competition. As a long time gamer, I'm grateful for the
renewed blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it actually like looks kind of not stupid.
Um, yeah, I mean 30 90. I love that they didn't even include 30 90 TI cause it's just like sort
of irrelevant. And now they're not saying they have the performance crown. The 30 90 is a higher
performing card than the 6950 XT, but like at $600 more, um, wait, are they saying better FPS?
Really? What games are you guys testing? Uh, actually, okay. I actually didn't watch our
6950 XT review. I was on vacation. So apparently it's more faster than the 6900 XT than I thought.
So I was not, I was not expecting that result. Okay, cool. So that's neat. You guys can learn
more about that. Hot hardware took it upon themselves to verify the claims. And as it
turns out, it's pretty much true. AMD did not disclose their testing suite, but hot
hardware found through their testing that in their testing suite, so long as the games weren't
too ray tracing heavy, AMD tended to win in both price to performance and price per watt.
It should be noted that AMD may not be winning if you go by MSRP alone,
because Nvidia cards are still suffering from inflated prices due to demand. Although that
may change now that AMD is like, Hey, by the way, um, us we're here. I really wish they had a better
encoder. I am, I'm excited to see what they come out with, with RDNA 3, because as a content
creator, it's a big deal for me. I can't just have a crap tier GPU video encoder.
And I mean, it's, it's going to impact things because like
with how much streaming is going on these days, um, that that's important.
Yes and no, like it's still a minority, but it's still a feature people care about just in case.
And genuinely a lot of streamers are putting their specs below their streams. And if people
are like, Oh, I should buy a computer or whatever. I mean, apparently you can form a whole ass PC
building company based around sponsoring streamers. What were they called again?
I literally don't remember. The one that went under.
I don't know. Artisan. Artisan.
Yeah. Yeah. Like I'd never even heard of them. They had like 40 employees or something like that.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. So like they're, they're moving PCs and they're moving PCs based off what they have.
So it matters. All right. We got a couple more, uh, merch messages to go through here guys.
From Jonathan. How do you keep your beards looking so awesome?
I don't think mine looks awesome. I think this looks better than mine.
Well, Yvonne takes care of herself really well. I don't really have to do anything.
It's a joke. I don't even get it.
You don't know what it is. I think that makes sense.
I don't, but I think I just kind of put it together.
Um, okay. I don't really do anything either. I just have to condition it
because otherwise Yvonne gets mad at me. Cause it's too scratchy.
It's too pokey.
Yeah. And then, Oh, I, I do. I like, I shave it. So I, I go to like number four, I think.
So I just go like this number four. And then I take my, my like, um, electric shaver,
you know, with the three circles thing that I use to like clean up up here.
And I, it has like a flip out blade thing. I just go like, yeah, along the lip,
a lot of the lip. And then I also use it to kind of clean up the bottom at the,
at the neckline. And then that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Mine's just taking its,
its sweet time becoming thicker. It's been thin for a long time. It is getting thicker over time.
Mine was super thin until I reached like past 30. So, uh, and then I always thought I couldn't
grow a beard and then I was like lazy about it at the beginning of the lockdowns and I was like,
Oh, I can grow facial hair now. And like looking at what my dad is capable of doing when he lets
his grow out, I'll be fine. It's just not quite there yet. It's going to take some time.
This question is from Christopher Robin. I don't know if this was an accidental line of curation,
uh, but they asked, uh, was that here's a donation to help you guys out saving up gift cards for the
backpack and screwdriver. Awesome. Uh, they missed the long sleeve constellation shirt
because of shipping costs. Anyway, I could pay extra to get shipped with the backpack.
No, because we're producing them now and that's all we're producing. So we just don't really,
like we can't, we can't spin up the silkscreen shop to do like one shirt. It's just not really
feasible. Um, sorry. From Joe, do you have a moment to talk about our dark Lord and savior Cthulhu?
Uh, Cthulhu is not a sponsor yet. So he could figure that out then. Yeah. Um,
I mean, usually when people ask you that question, they then proceed to talk to you about it. So I'm
waiting. I'm assuming I'm going to hear like a deep, uh, raspy voice in my head.
Yeah. I'll pull up Joe on a discord
from Oliver. What games do you play with their children? Uh, Linus.
Oh, um, man, uh, there's a really fun one called Takelings house party that my kids love to play.
It's a VR game where there's, you're a homeowner in VR and you have to like get the Takelings who
are trying to steal your stuff or like sabotage your kitchen or whatever. Uh, and all the
Takelings play with controllers on the couch around. So it's a really fun party game.
It's actually really cool. Um, what else? Uh, they, they really like playing Minecraft
dungeons. It's just like a super basic dungeon crawler. It's Diablo, but like Minecraft themed.
It's Diablo, but surprisingly even more basic than Diablo.
Yeah. Uh, that's one. Well, it's a little, it's deep. It's deeper than Diablo one. That's for sure.
Well, yeah. Uh, but that's also a game from like 28 times. Ooh. Yeah. 25 years ago. Anyway.
Yeah. So, uh, Minecraft dungeons, um, you know, uh, my son likes to play tower fall, uh, with
me and Luke. So we've done that a fair bit. He's actually like pretty good. Like he'll,
he'll win rounds sometimes like. Increasingly sometimes.
Yeah. It's amazing how quick they learn at the start. It was like,
no. And then it became like maybe once or twice a session and now it's becoming like,
he's like, he can actually win full matches. Yeah. Pretty competitive. I don't like it.
From David. I've heard you guys talk a lot about ideas that never happened because it
wouldn't perform well. Do you guys have a favorite video that got away or something
you really wanted to do, but just couldn't justify?
Well, I can open up the doc. The video tracker doc is a black hole.
I know there's been a bunch, but I honestly don't.
I mean, we still haven't done the Murphy bed PC. That's a matter of time. Um, Oh man.
We still haven't done a double blind to see if people can hear the difference
between headphone amps and Dax. Uh, there's so many, so many videos in here.
I'd have to really react to the memory. Cause it's not something I've really considered.
See building speed run any percent world record. It's one that we've got in here.
Call me Chris collab that we shot already. I can delete that.
Man. There's so many things I've never liked. And I think, you know, this I've never liked
the whole speed building thing. Well, you had to, you had to do it at like an event,
a sponsored event or something once. And wasn't it like kind of a fiasco?
We trolled them. Remember? Oh yeah. Didn't we wear like horse head masks or something?
I wanted to troll them. It was, it was, you weren't there. It was just me going,
Oh, I thought, did I do a horse mask one at some point? It doesn't matter.
Okay. So it was, it was just me going, I talked to you about how like
I should do it. Right. Like it was a good idea for the company at that time,
but it's a stupid thing. So like I wanted to spice it up and you were like, why don't you
do this? And you told me to wear a horse head mask. Oh, that's right. And they like
were a little apprehensive about it. So I just stopped talking about it,
just smuggled it on stage and stashed it under the table.
And then when they told us to start,
I pulled it out from under the table and put it on and just did it that way anyways.
And that stream went from like, didn't really matter to top of Twitch because of that.
So like wild success and totally worked out, but it only did because of the horse head mask.
No one cared about speed building a computer. Cause why? Like, I don't know.
What we should actually do is go carefully and take care of your things.
Like what we've been trying to teach people forever is to do it properly,
not to do it necessarily fast. To do as we say, not as we do.
Yeah. And then like, if you're,
if you're like factory building computers, that's a different thing.
Yes. But like,
But then you'll have a team of people. You'll be doing it in an assembly line.
Yeah. It's different.
Just like we finished assembling this WAN show. We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel. Thanks for tuning in guys.
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