How are y'all doing, everyone?
Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show.
We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.
We are well into Techtober.
We got Pixels to talk about.
We got Arc GPUs to talk about.
We got 4090 GPUs to talk about.
We got 13th gen, wait, no, no,
we're not talking about 13th gen.
Not, that's still under NDA.
Hold on.
But there's lots more coming.
What else we got?
I took all the good ones, got them.
I think you took everything.
No, no, no.
YouTube test putting 4K behind a paywall.
I have the hottest take.
You do, actually.
I actually have the hottest take.
And I am here for it this time.
I got your back.
Also, there was a made by Google event,
which broadcasted all of the most boring things
you could possibly imagine.
Oh, come on.
But we will make it interesting.
Oh, come on.
Just like we always do.
Hit it, Chewy.
I'm Chewy?
I got him.
Punch it.
Darn it.
Yeah, you were close.
I know.
He doesn't Star Wars.
He thinks he's Star Wars-es.
He's a wannabe Star Wars-er.
That's so sad.
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And I guess we're gonna have to jump
right into the big topic.
Now.
Yeah.
I'm not going to break down the extremely long
and detailed argument that I have for my position here.
Oh, we're going into it.
Because it's gonna be a separate video.
I recorded it today.
Hopefully it'll go up early next week.
But the word, oh, not the word on the street.
YouTube has tested putting 4K
behind a YouTube premium paywall.
So essentially making access to the 4K resolution.
I mean, it's not really a dropdown because it pops up.
Jump up.
The jump, the cog, sure.
YouTube has made access to the 4K quality selection
in the cog in the player.
A premium exclusive feature
along with other premium features
like background playback, the removal of ads,
bundling with YouTube music and such things.
This is an unexpected course change
if you don't really,
if you weren't really ready for it, I think.
I mean, considering that YouTube has over time
done nothing but add higher resolution,
higher quality media support.
360 video.
To their paid tier.
8K, HDR, they have never actually hidden
or blocked off or paywalled
the highest quality experience.
Subtitles, no matter what it is,
it's always been available to everyone.
They introduced 4K in 2010.
They did 8K in 2015,
which given the technical challenges around 8K,
seven years ago?
Yeah.
Was kind of wild.
Honestly, I am surprised that more people
didn't cause problems for them with it
because you don't need an 8K camera to export an 8K video
and take advantage of that extra bit rate.
I'm surprised that more people didn't take advantage of it.
High refresh rate is another thing
that YouTube has added for all users.
A lot of this all came at a pretty similar time.
It felt like there was almost a video technology kick
that YouTube was on around when they launched.
They launched 8K, they launched 360 video,
they launched VR support,
which is kind of similar to 360 video,
which is not exactly the same.
They launched all this other type of stuff.
They did all of it at a very similar time
and they've continued pushing for it,
but not quite as hard as they did in the past.
Yeah, but here it is.
Confirmed, witnessed, out in the real world.
2160p resolution, premium feature, look at that.
Premium tap to upgrade right there.
What else can we say about it?
Excuse me.
And this is not just one post.
So there've been multiple posts on Reddit
and this is coming right on the heels
of the extra unskippable ads controversy.
Just last month, which was as little as eight days ago,
some users were experiencing up to 10 unskippable ads
in a row.
YouTube said this was a small experiment.
Everything that I heard about it was off the record.
So I can't quote anybody or anything or whatever.
I can't tell you how I know any of this,
but what I will say is that Google
is a very engineering focused company
and engineering, a scientific approach,
requires experimentation and evaluation of results.
And what I will say is that before you assume
that YouTube is just a bunch of dunderheads,
everyone that I did or didn't speak to,
who knows, allegedly,
knew that that was an extremely bad idea
and that it was not necessary to test that.
Just so you guys know,
I mean, it's not that I think YouTube does everything right
by any stretch of the imagination,
but that I think was not,
I think that was more of like a policy problem
than an actual, we think this is a good idea.
I think it's one of those situations where
like a bunch of people probably really were very certain
that something wouldn't work.
And then someone finally was like,
no, we have to test it.
They tested it and it worked really well.
Or they like just differing from the expected result.
And then the person who was right was like,
no, now we have to test everything.
YouTube has been quoted saying the goal of that experiment
was to see if it was a better experience for viewers
to reduce the number of ad breaks
while of course still getting all the ad revenue.
And no, the answer was no,
that was not a better experience, which is honestly,
I could kind of see it being a better experience sometimes.
Yeah, I could see- Especially for music.
Yeah, yeah.
I could see that having a longer uninterrupted period.
I've never actually done this, but I know people do.
If you wanted to watch like a concert,
having that get interrupted by an ad break
would be really weird.
Yeah, that'd be really disruptive.
Yep, yep, I can see that.
Making matters even more challenging for web users
who are not super into paying for premium
and not super into ads.
Chrome will be making it more difficult
to use ad blocking extensions
to rectify any of these problems for yourself.
Manifest V3 is the new extension platform for Chrome
and they may start turning off support for V2
as early as January, 2023.
That's like three months, three and a half months.
Oh yeah.
Most modern ad blockers rely on Chrome's web request API
to block categories of HTTP requests,
but Manifest V3 requires devs
to use a declarative net request,
which forces them to use a block list of specific URLs
and that list of rules is limited to 30,000 entries.
Many ad blocking lists can exceed 300,000 entries
to give you guys some idea.
Malvertising providers are rejoicing at this.
I think-
Yeah, I think that's something a lot of people
have misunderstood about our previous discussions
around ad block.
I think that there are a lot of people
who saw us make a video about Piehole
and then saw me discuss the impact of ad blocking
on online content creators and saw hypocrisy there,
but actually there's no hypocrisy there.
There is an impact and technology like Piehole does exist
and does have valid uses.
There's absolutely malicious advertising online
there or rather not necessarily even advertising
at that point.
It's just malware,
but it uses many of the same delivery mechanisms.
Yeah, they sneak through advertising platforms.
And so this is-
It's interesting.
UBlock Origin, I think, but I don't remember,
said that they believe strongly
that they're gonna be able to make it work,
but I'm kind of-
I mean, they have to say that.
Yeah, they do. What else would they say?
Yeah, I'm-
Sorry guys, we will, we have no idea.
Nope.
We're gonna toss on the towel.
Yeah.
I'm hoping that it's a bit of a resurgence for Firefox.
That's my hope.
Yeah, you're a Firefox fan boy.
I always forget about that.
Yeah.
I try to, I often end up not really being able to use it
because I-
Because it hasn't been very good in a long time.
And I have a pretty strong stance of
if I'm using this thing for work,
it has to be the best thing, even if I don't like it.
Yeah.
And like having interruptions in my work
because my browser is having issues
when I could just use Chrome is like unacceptable.
So I've been on Chrome for a while
because every time I've tried, Firefox have had issues.
But I know you're not happy about it.
But I'm not happy about it.
And I'm going to try-
He's a nightly boy, you know?
Yeah, I used to love that.
I know, I know.
And I deal with the problems when it was personal stuff.
Yeah.
But yeah.
So I'm going to try again, probably in January, Firefox.
Hear me out.
See how it goes.
Safari.
Oh.
People are talking about it in the chat.
I'm like, sure, I'll pitch it for you.
I'll pitch it.
See how it goes.
Now, aside from the ad blocking conversation,
let's jump back to 4K for a second.
One of our discussion questions here is,
should 4K be a premium perk?
And it says here, most people don't even need it.
I think that's a deeper, longer conversation.
That's going to happen in the dedicated video.
But I want to have a separate conversation
about Floatplane.
Our video platform, floatplane.com.
Yeah, I know, right?
Officially trailblazers.
Our video platform actually charges extra,
not just a little bit.
It works out to, for the platform,
more than double for 4K.
And the way that that works,
it's actually from $5 to $10, which is double.
But the way that that works out
is that at the lower transaction amount,
it's more of it gets eaten up
by credit card processing fees and stuff.
Hold on.
The $5 to $10 jump is your pricing.
Yeah.
You're just talking about the platform.
Oh, sorry.
Yes, yes.
So the way that it ends up working
on the Linus SecTips page that is on the platform
is a $5 to $10 jump.
Yes.
It's different.
Oh, okay.
So anyway, the point is, for you, the end user.
Because creators can set their own pricing.
Yeah, it's double.
But the way that it actually works out
is that it is more than double.
And the reason for that is that the additional cost
of serving 4K is a lot more
than I think people necessarily realize.
And bandwidth is hyper expensive and also very difficult.
So let's talk a little bit about that
because I tweeted about my hot take about this whole thing
that I think YouTube is actually not only maybe justified
in doing this, but that it also could be the right move
for the platform in general, for the entire ecosystem.
So I tweeted about this hot take
and I had some people who I feel like have
maybe not the full picture of how this works.
Because to be clear, I understand being upset about it.
Obviously, I hate when you tell me I have something
and you take it away.
I'm always reminded of that scene from Empire Strikes Back.
I'm altering the deal.
Pray I don't alter it any further.
That's so iconic.
Because we're in this position where
whether you're an individual end user,
whether you are a creator,
where Google holds all the power,
if they decided tomorrow that not only did they not feel
like serving 4K video to non paying customers anymore,
but they were gonna remove it from the platform outright.
And oh, by the way, that semi archive of content
that you've uploaded over the last 12 years,
we're gonna get rid of all the high quality copies
of everything.
We're gonna print it all.
They could decide that tomorrow on a whim.
They could.
And we're utterly powerless and that's frustrating.
And that sucks.
Where was I going with this?
I don't remember.
Right, so I made that, anyway, I made that argument
that right, but it could actually be the best thing
and you'll have to hear me out.
Really, please hear me out.
But some of the responses that I got from people
who were upset about it,
I feel like we need to kind of talk about those things.
So one person that I went back and forth with had said,
well, they, what do you mean bandwidth costs, right?
They laid that coax cable 30 years ago.
Oh, that's not how that works.
Right, okay, so explain how that works for the people.
Google doesn't own all of the, you know,
cables that go around the entire internet.
Although also all that stuff takes maintenance and whatnot.
So like, if Google wants to send you data,
it's gonna have to go over ISP's lines and stuff like that.
They have to, you have to pay for bandwidth at some point.
Google did spin up their own ISP in the States,
which probably gives them some cool abilities
to do different things.
They're on a certain scale that I don't fully understand.
Like once you have your own data centers and stuff,
like I know OVH has their own dark fiber lines
running all over the place and all this neat things,
like that stuff is beyond my scale of understanding.
But bandwidth is highly expensive
and you have to deal with a lot of other entities.
I was gonna say people, but entities.
Talk about some of the other entities
that we've had to deal with
in order to maintain quality of service for users.
One of the problems that we have right now,
I'm gonna call out a country specifically
that we're actually having problems with.
So sorry if you're having this problem,
but in Germany, there's multiple ISP's, right?
And the pathways that we're using work great
for some users in Germany.
And it works really poorly for other users in Germany.
We have really good service in Germany.
We also have not really good service in Germany.
It's not a cut and dry thing.
And when you get on this scale,
like there's stories that I actually talked about
on WAN Show in the past of Netflix back in the day,
installing these red box Netflix servers
in ISP's like data centers and in ISP's nodes and stuff,
because such a huge percentage of internet usage
in these areas was all Netflix.
And they were actually helping the ISP's by doing this.
Like the ISP's wanted these things installed
because it was getting it closer to the users.
It was using less of the ISP's available bandwidth.
It was helping them in general.
Now you think about the usage of YouTube
and all of the rest of Google stuff,
and it gets very complicated and very expensive.
And the impossibility of trying to cache any,
I mean, you could take,
you just scattershot it, right?
You could just hope that you've got something cached
close to the end user, but like that's just dice rolls,
that's just dice rolls, right?
At that point, pretty much.
And like really advanced caching systems are great
and stuff like that.
But like, it's all highly complicated,
highly difficult and very highly expensive.
And there was also like,
I feel like this perception, right?
That once those lines though are laid,
that the ongoing cost is negligible or very low.
And this individual pointed out that,
well, those coax lines keep getting faster
and there's no additional cost,
but it's actually the getting faster,
even though you might be running
over the same pieces of copper
or even the same pieces of fiber,
the way they get faster is through ongoing maintenance
and network upgrades and R and D and everything else
that continually get more and more and more
and more expensive because the bottom line
is that Moore's law might not be dead,
but Moore's a little bit more difficult to keep up with.
Dr. Moore is struggling a little bit, you know,
it's not Moore's law is not keeping up the way that it has.
And even if you were to compare to something like electrical
or water infrastructure, for example,
just because those pipes are in the ground,
that doesn't mean that they stop needing maintenance.
That doesn't mean, you know,
you don't still have to make sure
there's clean water going through them.
You know what I mean?
Infrastructure that exists must be maintained and upgraded.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, there's tons of costs to it.
And something that you go over in the video as well,
but like there's, I'm seeing comments about it.
I'm seeing notes about all this kind of stuff.
Like, oh, we shouldn't feel bad for billion dollar companies.
I'm the first person to jump on that train
and I don't feel bad for them.
No, why would I feel bad for them?
None of this is feeling bad for them.
A lot of this is understanding
and not understanding me like, oh, it's okay, it's okay.
No, it's the classic thing of a web company
that is valued purely on scale.
And then when scaling becomes difficult
or your costs start ramping to a certain degree,
you need to start making money.
And often how they start doing that is ugly.
And when he says need to start making money,
I don't think either Luke or I would make the argument
that Google does not make enough money.
No, no, no, no, no.
But they do need to make money
because if they don't make money on a given project,
they're gonna do Google things
and they're gonna shut it down.
Yeah, so yeah, they're gonna make it make more money.
And 4K is really expensive, like we've already talked about.
And they have done actually a lot of research
figuring out that almost no one actually cares,
which is potentially an uncomfortable thing to hear.
It's something that FlowPlane ran into.
We had a bunch of conversations with users
and with creators.
One of the original ideas of FlowPlane was like,
hey, we're gonna offer better quality everything.
And that's gonna be a huge selling point to the platform.
People are gonna wanna join
because their content will have never looked
or sounded as good online.
And users are gonna wanna subscribe
because they can see their creator's content
in higher quality and they can hear it in higher quality.
And then-
Which makes a big difference.
Man, audio matters.
Oh, it super does.
Your video can look as good as you want.
If your audio sucks, no one's gonna watch it.
Did anyone care ever?
Like even once?
Nope.
We have actually-
That's not true.
We have one person who cares.
Garbage time.
Garbage time.
Garbage time cares that it sounds good.
And that's great.
That's awesome.
I love and appreciate that because boy, howdy,
did we put some work into it and it really didn't pay off.
It is now.
It is, yeah.
It is now.
I mean, from like a purely like dollars and cents standpoint
I don't think it's paying off.
But at least we get to feel warm and fuzzy about it.
Yeah, we've stuck to our guns.
It still looks and sounds good.
And there's people, each other like, oh, I care.
And you know what?
You might, you might be, if I remember correctly
from the video that I am probably going to misquote,
so I'm sorry, you might be the, what was it?
1.5% of people who actually care.
It's such a tiny percentage of people.
YouTube ran some experiments where they started
just changing people's settings
and they would set them to way lower, like 480, I think.
Yeah.
People that were running at 4K, they changed it to 480.
And it was like, I'm going to misquote the percentage.
I'm sorry, I don't remember.
I think it was like 1.5% of people actually changed it back.
So you wonder, you wonder why the,
there's no persistent default video quality anymore
and why they default to such a low video quality.
It's because you are a discerning individual
and notice the difference.
And I can certainly tell the difference.
Like, I get it.
I'm with you.
But my aunt, there is no way.
My sister, love her to pieces.
Bless her heart.
She wouldn't be able to tell a 480p YouTube video
from a 1080p YouTube video.
Maybe not even from a 4K YouTube video.
She's just, she doesn't care.
It doesn't matter.
I'm actually pretty proud of that whole stat
because I'm rather certain it happened to me.
And I noticed because I was like getting really annoyed
that YouTube kept on looking like junk.
I'm used to watching on Flowplane so I could tell.
So I kept changing it back up and I was like,
what is going on?
And I remembered that there used to be the default setting.
So I was like hunting for it and I couldn't find it.
I was like, something's wrong.
I'm pretty sure, I don't know at all,
but I'm pretty sure you can teach it.
I think you can teach it.
I think so.
I think if you keep forcing it to go up,
it'll naturally slowly increase a little bit.
I'm pretty sure mine defaults to 4K.
Yeah, yeah.
I've noticed that behavior.
So if you actually care, maybe do it.
You know what's annoying to me
is that I'm probably gonna end up
with a ton of YouTube premium subscriptions now
because all the different,
depending on which profile I'm logged into,
while I'm, because a lot of the time
I'm not necessarily using YouTube for leisure.
I'm actually using it for work.
I'm checking a video or I'm finding a timestamp
so I can send it to an editor
or whatever else it is I'm doing.
And I've complained about this to YouTube many times,
but something about the way that the sessions are handled
makes it so that when you click out of Creator Studio
onto a video, you get served an ad,
I kid you not, 100% of the time.
Like every single fucking time I get an ad
while I'm working, trying to get something
out of my own video, which as far as I know,
wasn't that against Google's terms of service
at some point, clicking your own ads?
I think it always has been.
Like you would think logged into my own account,
I would not get an ad on my own video
because clearly, clearly that is self-dealing,
clearly, right?
And this isn't me just saying,
well, there should be different rules for me
and for other people.
I'm saying from a common sense standpoint,
you shouldn't pay me whatever it is, 35 or 45% or whatever
of my own ad consumption, duh, right?
But it does.
Something that annoys the crap out of me
is I use the different like Google profile things
for my browser.
Yes.
So I have like a work one, I have a personal one,
I have other various work ones.
Get ready to get premium for all of them
because otherwise you're gonna have ads everywhere
and you're not gonna be able to watch 4K.
Yeah.
So like I have premium on my personal one,
but in the relatively rare occasion
that I opened YouTube on my work one,
it splashed me with an ad right away.
And then I have to throw the video
that I wanted to watch for work into my personal YouTube,
which means that it gets lost from the history
and when I need to find it later, it's annoying.
I'm just like, man, if I'm actively signed into
one premium account on this computer,
like it's not like I'm sharing it with other devices.
It would be nice if it made it
so that it wouldn't serve ads on all of them.
Riddle me this, where's your line?
If YouTube said, no, 1440p and up, that's premium now.
What if they said 1080p and up is premium,
720 is more than anyone should need.
Where's the line where you kind of go from,
okay, I could kind of understand this
from an infrastructure cost scaling standpoint to,
oh, okay, this is bull, I won't take it anymore.
Like, you know, tell me,
walk me through your reaction at each stage.
So we've already got your 4k reaction.
Yeah.
Let's say they cut off 1440p.
That's also very reasonable in my opinion.
In your opinion, okay, okay.
I mean, 1440p is not nearly the increase
in data rate that 4k is.
I think it's about double 1080p, if I recall correctly.
That's 2560 by 1440, 1080p is two megapixels-ish.
Yeah, I think it's about four.
It's like four and change or something like that,
or close to four.
So it's about double, but it's not 4x, which is, you know,
good.
Yeah, I still think that's in a premium tier
of resolutions though, if I could say that.
But YouTube's 1080p looks like dog crap.
It does.
So 1440p-
But it's also a free platform.
Is it free if you pay in your time?
If you pay in your time with ads.
So it's only sort of free, right?
Like there's, to be clear,
I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here.
I don't necessarily disagree with Luke.
It's free in the sense that it is broadly available.
Monetary exchange.
Exactly.
You don't need to own a credit card to use it.
You don't need to be an adult to use it.
You can be anyone anywhere in the world,
as long as you don't have an oppressive government
that blocks access to it or whatever.
And you can benefit from the wealth of creation
and knowledge that is on YouTube, which is great.
It's amazing, right?
But it's not free.
There's an interesting comment in FlowPlane.
A lot of people are saying 1080p is their line.
And I see one person who said 1080p should be free
because competition said so.
So here's where I'm going to throw a bit
of a monkey wrench in things.
Exactly.
So this is where my line is actually a lot lower
because ultimately I'm going to end up
keep continuing to use it
because there's content on YouTube
that I cannot access elsewhere,
including I've seen an example from you
about like fixing a washing machine.
I fairly recently had to fix my dryer, my clothes dryer.
There you go.
How was I going to do that without YouTube?
You weren't.
To be completely honest, I wasn't.
You were going to pay someone like $400
to come and replace some stupid little $20 part.
Yeah.
That's what you would do.
The like coin collection thing, no, yeah.
The coin collection thing was like jammed.
And in a lot of them, you can access it from the front.
In mine, you can't, you have to take the entire thing apart.
It's a huge pain.
And there was like the manual that you could read.
And I was like, wow, I'm going to break this for sure.
Or there's the YouTube video of the dude just being like,
all right, so you unscrew all these things,
toss it over there.
Watch out for this.
Do whatever, yeah.
And it's like, okay, five to 10 minutes later,
I kind of know what to do.
And I can replay this a million times and it's fine.
And I would have watched that in very low resolution
with ads on it because it's that or nothing.
Luke owns a laundromat?
No.
I think you meant lint collector or coin collector?
It's called the coin collector on mine.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if it has like an actual name on mine.
It's called a coin collector.
I don't know.
Cool.
Oh, I see what people are saying for coin.
No, it's like, when it's in the wash,
like little bits of things would get like ejected,
but it doesn't want to go down the water pipe.
Oh.
So it's like a mesh filter that collects like things.
I have never cleaned that on mine.
Did you say it was your dryer?
Why does it have water in it?
Is it water, maybe it was the washer.
It's been a while since I did it.
Okay, fair enough.
Do you put water in your dryer?
Cause it probably takes a long time to-
I think you're using this wrong.
A long time.
Yeah, that's probably why it broke.
Yeah, no, sorry.
It's been like quite a bit.
So where's your line?
720P?
See, this is where it gets complicated
because even if it was 480,
there are use cases where I would still use it.
Right, but what if you were trying to follow a tutorial,
like a software tutorial at 480P
and you can't read the bloody text.
But not everything that I would do
is watching a software tutorial.
I'm also trying to devil's advocate a little bit,
but not too much because with the dryer example,
I could have, or whatever it was.
The thing-
Turns out it was a waffle iron.
With the closed dude to things machine that I have.
With an oven.
Yeah, I would have watched that in 480.
I don't know if it would have been like functional
to watch below 480.
Sure.
But like, if it's a free thing,
if when it starts playing an ad,
I can just put my phone down
and start grabbing my tools or whatever.
And when it's done playing an ad,
I can start trying to follow the tutorial.
I'm going to still use the service
because there's nothing else out there like it.
What is it even called? Daily motion?
That's not a realistic competitor.
I get real.
Yeah.
So like I-
Vimeo has gone hard down the-
We are just a paid platform.
Yeah, because it makes sense
because it's really expensive to serve video.
So like, I would love to be like,
10 ATP is my line because below that it kind of sucks.
But no, I'm going to keep using the platform
if it's lower than that.
Ultimately I've already subscribed to premium.
So this problem doesn't really affect me,
but I think that's true for a lot of people.
Transit biker on Twitch says,
as a person on a fixed income,
I find this whole thing as a way of propagating
and promoting socioeconomic discrimination.
Making poor people be stuck with inferior quality
is super cringe move at best.
I mean, that's what your free market
is supposed to alleviate.
It's supposed to create competition
that drives pricing down.
The issue here is that YouTube is in a position
where they can essentially do whatever they want
because there isn't any competition.
That's my whole argument for lowering the bar.
And the reason that there isn't any competition
is because nobody can make this cost-effective.
No.
And like, we have actually done a lot more,
a lot more work on that than almost anyone else.
Like to, you know, for real though, not me,
like him and the Floatplane team.
Yeah, yeah.
And so-
You're the CEO of the company wearing the shirt.
And so, hey, yeah, it's my Floatplane shirt.
Yeah.
And it's tough.
I don't have a good answer for you.
Yeah, that sucks.
I mean, honestly, honestly- It does suck.
Should there be, maybe this is a separate conversation,
but should there be a similar price break
for services like YouTube Premium or Netflix
or Steam games for low-income people
who live in high-income countries, right?
Like in the, so YouTube Premium is like two bucks
in some countries, like two, three American dollars a month.
In America, it's over 10,
but there are people living in North America
who are on such low incomes that, yeah,
I forget how much it is, 12 or $13,
or like whatever it is in the US.
I'm sorry, I'm Canadian and I have a family plan.
So I actually do not know the exact amount.
This is not me not knowing how much a banana costs.
I just don't know, cause I'm Canadian, okay?
But the point is that there are people for whom
even that two or $3 could be a stretch,
let alone being something that is comfortable for them.
So how do we solve that, right?
Because theoretically, we have different prices
in these different geopolitical regions,
but in practice, these are extremely coarse,
and in many cases, kind of arbitrary lines.
I've mentioned this in the past
and it's hyper unpopular,
and I'm going to win no fans right now.
Oh boy.
I've mentioned it on one show.
I'll defend you, I'll defend your hot takes.
We're playing, we're doing some role reversal.
Yeah, yeah, and I know it's like not okay
to be completely clear.
All right.
I think the only solution is government ran,
which is so not okay for a totally different
giant ball of wax.
Okay, so maybe, hold on, you legislate the availability
of 4K YouTube, like all the premiumness, whatever.
4K is a human, right?
I don't know about 4K.
Hold on.
No, no, no, for real though, for real though, hold on.
So full quality, no ads, 4K in public libraries.
Oh, that's sweet.
So that way you can allow free market capitalism,
and if people want to have their private access
to their high quality YouTube, they can pay,
but that would make it available to everyone
in the same way that you can buy books
and you can maintain a personal library,
or you can go to the public library
and you can access them there.
Now, to be clear, not every community
has proper functioning community infrastructure
like public libraries, especially not anymore.
Now that books are out of fashion and stuff.
Public libraries are changing.
Let me talk about that in a second.
I need to defend my thing.
As one should be like, that's a horrible idea.
I know, that's why I prefaced it
by saying it's a horrible idea.
My reason for saying that is because a lot
of non-economically viable things basically have to go
to governments if you want them to be maintained,
because businesses are gonna go,
hey, this isn't economically viable and kill it.
And they're gonna stop doing it.
Yeah, so that's why I say that,
not because I want that.
I think it's a horrible idea.
There's tons of massive problems with it.
It is not cool.
But okay, public libraries, I want to talk about that.
Public libraries have changed a bunch.
There are local public libraries that have tools.
Have you heard about this?
No, that is so cool.
You can go sign out a tool.
So that you can like-
Go home and work on things and do maintenance.
Public libraries are becoming,
they're continuing to be in the spirit
of what they always were.
Which is communal resources that we all share.
Yeah.
As an option, you can absolutely buy your own tools
or books or high-speed YouTube.
Or games or movies or whatever.
Now there's a bunch of them that have,
they're actually technically pirated,
but because of laws around public libraries,
they were pirated in a completely legal way.
But there's certain libraries,
I know of this in the States.
I don't know of this in Canada.
There are certain libraries in the States
that have just straight up pirated games.
And you can go sign them out, take them home,
and play the pirated game completely legally,
as long as you also return it,
how you're supposed to, to the library.
Everything is above board
because of laws around libraries specifically.
Libraries are adapting.
It's very cool.
I wish I knew more about it.
I didn't expect we were going to talk about libraries
on the Wine Show.
The superstar in Floatplane Chat is talking about
some libraries having 3D printers.
Yeah, yes.
That's super cool.
Yeah, I forgot about that, but that's totally a thing.
Yeah, they're turning into like sort of maker spaces.
That's a way that you could have a relatively low impact
on Google's ability to run YouTube as a profitable business,
while also making a real like tangible effort
to make this amazing resource that YouTube is.
I think we need, in all of this,
we need to not lose track of that.
YouTube is unprecedented.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
We have to, yeah, there's a lot of things wrong with it.
Lot of warts.
Oh yeah.
Lot of warts.
Yep.
I don't agree with everything they do.
Not even close.
But a world without YouTube would be extremely different.
Yes.
And so I think that figuring out a way to bridge this gap,
yeah, absolutely has to happen.
Yeah, someone said-
You can't just say, well, it's not fair.
I should have access to everything on the platform
with no ads and the highest quality.
They're a business.
And you know what?
We could have a way longer conversation
about capitalism versus other systems, right?
Sure, you can have that conversation,
but within the bounds of the system
that we all live in at this point,
not all of us, I guess, but we do,
there are limits.
There are limits to what we can expect, right?
And you're not going to be able to expect
a for-profit corporation to just take a loss on something
out of the good feelings that it will make for people.
Yeah.
I mean, you can hope for that, but-
It's not gonna happen.
Yeah, you're gonna-
It's not gonna happen.
Don't hold your breath.
It's not gonna go under anyways.
So even if they did do it, they're just gonna die.
A bunch of people in chat talking about cool things
that their libraries have.
Yeah, temporary books on Kindles and stuff.
Someone talking about gaming PCs and laptops
available for temporary borrow.
Shut up.
That's so cool.
And again, it's not every library.
And someone brought up a very major issue
that libraries in low-income areas
can sometimes just suck.
I don't know.
That's probably fairly legit.
But all I'm saying is that libraries are changing.
They're not necessarily just books now.
They're trying to evolve from beyond that.
Charles DFT says their local library runs D&D sessions.
That's super cool.
Yeah, that's sweet.
Yeah.
I just want to point out that Prime Gaming Soviet Rambo
in chat said that putting 4K behind a paywall
has already been utilized by pornographic naked sites.
YouTube just copying them again.
If you want to see about people copying
those types of platforms and filming styles,
look into the evolution of cameras
and also look into the evolution
of online video existing at all.
Because you owe a lot of it to that.
A lot more than you probably know.
Wild.
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We do remove spam.
Here it is.
All right, wait, am I ready to announce this yet?
How do I know if it's live?
That? Yeah.
Like, is he watching?
Okay.
So, okay, all right, we're doing it.
We're doing it.
There are only 69 available.
That's right.
We've got another limited edition product.
Sarah pushed hard for this one.
She was like, oh man, we should totally do,
we should totally do a gold controller version
of the controller character
from the ABCs of gaming book.
Yeah, she doesn't sound anything like that.
But it's super cute.
Honestly speaking, guys, this is a novelty item.
It doesn't have alpaca wool in it.
You know, the gold fabric,
yeah, just kind of like, you know, crumply and stuff,
but it's super cute and it's gold.
It's a gold controller.
Are you wanting me to switch to that camera?
Oh, that's not the one.
Loop cam, there you go.
It's gold.
They're individually numbered.
There will be 69 only.
I have no idea how much they cost.
It's not cheap because, yeah, it's limited edition
and you'll, you know, they'll be sold
regardless of how much we charge for them.
And they come with this cute little sticker.
Look, okay, look, it's actually a ton of work
to do a product.
A one-off, especially in such low run.
Yeah, we can't do a ton of volume of something like this
because we're not going to sell that many.
So essentially it's expensive because you're subsidizing
the, you know, the larger production run costs
that you would normally have to pay
in order to make a product at all.
Cause we only made like 72 of them or something like that,
whatever it works out to,
to make sure that we have a couple of spares
in case something goes wrong.
Oh, apparently it's 69, 69, hilarious.
It comes with a little golden controller sticker as well.
And then a signed card thing that is in here.
I think I'm supposed to sign these on the show.
Certificate of authenticity.
A one to 69 of 69.
This is one of 69 official Linus Tech Tips
gold controller plushies.
Nice.
You gotta, I wonder.
Classic.
You gotta make number 69 out of 69 special.
We're live on the what now?
They are live on the website.
Oh, they're live on the site.
Okay. Okay.
They're up apparently.
There they go.
There they go.
All right.
Why don't we move on to our next topic here?
Yeah.
Which GPU do we want to talk about?
I don't know.
Which one do you want to talk about?
I feel like that's the news.
I want to talk about the Arc, to be completely honest.
Okay, let's talk about the Arc.
Which one, the Covenant?
Yeah.
Survival?
No, Arc of the Covenant.
Okay, Arc of the Covenant, Covenant.
Let's go.
Yeah, yeah.
Indy should've opened it.
He was pure hard enough that he would have been fine.
Yeah, definitely.
Okay, no, sorry.
He's taking artifacts from elsewhere
and bringing them back to your home country.
He's very pure of heart.
Yeah, that's, okay.
Indy is less of a modern hero, more of a, yeah.
More heroic.
Yeah, a little bit.
With a different, in a different time.
Anyways, Intel Arc A770 and A750 reviewed and streamed.
I thought that was cool.
That was a good idea.
Yeah, I thought that was a good idea too.
That was Alex's idea.
Good.
After years of exciting announcements
and then months of radio silence,
Intel has finally released their Arc GPUs.
Their pricing, the A750 eight gigabyte is $289.
The A770 eight gigabyte is $329.
And the same card, but in the 16 gigabyte variant is $349.
But there's complications.
Yeah.
Horrific driver problems.
I mean-
Rebar required.
If it's not DX 12 or Vulcan.
Oh boy, you might not even want to play it.
We got some games that were not DX 12 or Vulcan
that they gamed, you know, they were gaming.
Oh yeah, they were gaming on the stream.
Okay, yeah.
Most things were pretty playable.
And the problems that we had on older or lighter games
running older API, oh, of course they are,
running older APIs.
The problems that we had were not necessarily ones
that every casual user would experience.
Like Alex, for example, was finding the wild FPS,
like frame time swings in Rocket League unplayable.
I, a Rocket League moron-
I was just gonna say, you don't play
and he probably does, right?
He plays hard.
Yeah.
So I was like, yeah, I see the frame times
are all over the place and it's definitely less smooth
than my RTX 3D60 over here beside you.
Sure.
But this would not affect my ability to play this game.
You know what I mean?
But it could be the same thing in Beadsaber, okay?
You give me those kinds of frame time variants,
so I'm gonna be like, this is unplayable.
I'm gonna be hurling all over the place.
Right? Yeah.
So it depends on your skill level.
So if you're a casual gamer, I would say that
many games were quite playable, many were problematic.
I think this is a sidebar thing,
but if you remember correctly,
the first time in many years
that I actually felt my computer performance
not being where I wanted it to be was with Beadsaber,
because I started getting into difficulties
where it was too fast and I was starting to lag.
Yes.
It's noticeable.
This sucks, yeah.
At those speeds, you know,
nine milliseconds of stutter or whatever.
And when you're in VR, like it's very off-putting.
It's not like, there's certain games,
like, you know, if you can't afford the upgrade,
you can fight through it, it's fine.
Beadsaber, like, no, you put that game down,
you do something else.
But anyways, back on topic.
So this raises a lot of questions.
With all the experience that Intel has making GPUs,
and they do, right?
They've been doing onboard GPUs for like over 10 years now,
right, on their CPUs.
And they've even gotten a lot better.
Oh yeah.
They've made major pushes, you know,
whether it's like Iris or like early XE onboard
or whatever else, but they've made major pushes
in improving these from actually, man, no.
Intel's been doing onboard graphics since before that.
They used to have their onboard chipset graphics too.
Oh yeah.
Intel's been doing onboard graphics flipping forever.
So it raises the question,
if they've made their way all the way through DirectX 10,
nine, eight, seven, so far back,
how can they suck at it so much?
The teams are disconnected or something?
No. Oh.
It's more interesting than that.
Oh.
With onboard graphics,
one of the main tasks of the software team
is to take as much GPU load away as possible
and put it onto the CPU.
Anything they can, pull it off that weak source GPU,
put that on the CPU,
put it on those general purpose processing cores.
With a dedicated graphics card,
well, it's the other way around, isn't it?
Yeah, you gotta take everything you can.
You wanna do as little as possible on the CPU.
I mean, that's one of the big innovations recently
is allowing the GPU to talk directly
to system memory even, right?
Because that's what we want.
You don't want it to go through that processing unit.
Why are we adding bottlenecks?
Yeah.
CPUs, and that's another thing.
CPUs used to be like very fast compared to GPUs.
Now, it's not really necessarily the case.
We're gonna put a whole computer in your computer.
Hey, thanks Mumbles Malarkey.
So that's a big challenge.
It is also my understanding that,
hey, this is a first gen product, right?
Like it's very clear from the power consumption,
the dive size,
just like the elaborate design of the card itself even,
like that's, you guys gotta understand,
that's an expensive cooler on Intel's Arc GPUs.
There's a lot of plastic molding that went into it.
It's premium, right?
That's not the kind of cooler you design
for a $289 graphics card.
So there's a lot of indicators
that Intel intended for this product.
The width of the memory bus, for example, 256 bit.
There's a lot of indicators that Intel intended
for this to be a much higher end product,
something that would compete more with an RTX 370.
But what it seems to me is that even with the hard work
that the software team is undoubtedly doing,
there could be some just plain architectural stumbles
that were made.
And at some point, Intel had to make the call.
Do we re-spin this again to the point where
it's gonna launch at the same time
as the next generation battle mage,
which cannot be delayed, right?
So if you guys watched our video touring the Intel fab,
which I think you probably did, right?
You see that there are actually multiple generations
of products in flight, right?
At the same time.
So if you delay one of them,
you can actually end up stomping right on top of its launch
with the next generation way better,
way more cost-effective product.
We actually saw this happen with Broadwell.
Do you remember Broadwell?
The 5775C was the flagship Broadwell desktop CPU.
Broadwell was, I believe, a moderate success in mobile.
But on desktop, the 5775C launched,
and then almost immediately,
the 6700K Skylake architecture came out and replaced it.
So here we go, 5775C came out June 2nd, 2015.
Okay, or at least that's when the article went up
on a non-tech.
And August 5th, 2015, oh, wait, May 5th, 2020?
Oh, no, no, yeah, August 5th, 2015, Skylake launched.
So like, okay, it had two months of being the hotness
before immediately there was a better product.
So at some point, the Arc team had to look at it and go,
well, we're either gonna launch Alchemist or we're not.
And you can imagine how these things work, right?
Because the software team is working
before there's final hardware.
The hardware team is working on the hardware
before there's final software.
It's a hope and a prayer
that any of this stuff works at all, right?
So they might've gotten back to Silicon,
thought, oh, well, we're gonna do this.
They might've gotten back to Silicon, thought,
we can fix this in software.
I'm speculating right now.
We can fix this in software.
Then they get to a point in the software where they're like,
holy crap, we need to fix this in hardware.
Rinse and repeat, right?
Well, you can only go through that cycle so many times
before you run out a window
for where you're actually gonna be able
to deliver a product.
So I think it is entirely conceivable
that Intel fully understands
that this is gonna be a bit of a limited product
and hopefully they can take those learning outcomes
and apply them to Battlemage, apply them to Celestial,
which are their upcoming generations of products.
And this is not gonna be something where management goes,
well, that wasn't successful, let's just kill it.
I sincerely hope and I sincerely doubt.
I doubt that that's what's going to happen
in spite of all the,
I think the rumors of Intel gaming GPU's death
have been greatly exaggerated.
If these ARK GPU's did not have the, you know,
DX12 and Vulcan or bust issues,
how well do you think they would have done?
A lot better.
Yeah, but like, is this something you strongly recommend
at that price point?
It's tough.
If it, again, if it doesn't have that problem.
Here's something we ran into during the stream.
We noticed, and I don't know for sure
that this is an ARK issue.
This could have been an issue with our displays
or capture card, so don't, take this for what it is.
It's an observation.
We noticed that when we were cloning our display, okay,
between our capture card and the monitor
that I was gaming on, we actually had some issues
with the Nvidia card around this too,
where it was running at 120 Hertz and the mouse was smooth,
but dragging windows was horrible.
I don't know, I forget how we ended up solving it,
but we did ultimately solve it and it was really dumb.
But on the Intel side, we were getting the limited,
limited gamma value thing.
So we were in limited mode, which is for TVs
of like 16 to 235 or whatever it is,
instead of full range, which is zero to 255,
which was causing the stream to look fine.
Cause I think that device was expecting a limited input.
And then the monitor looked like crushed and clipped
because it was expecting a full range input.
And there wasn't an obvious way in Intel's dashboard
to fix that.
So just because the performance is okay,
and just because we value competition in the marketplace
doesn't necessarily mean that I can unequivocally say,
go for it, it's gonna be a great experience,
you're gonna love it, right?
Because-
If you enjoy messing around with things,
more than playing games-
I can wholeheartedly recommend it.
Yeah, it looks, honestly, it sounds very interesting
just to like, that's why I was happy
that you guys did that stream.
I mean, it's long, I haven't watched the whole thing.
It's got timestamps now,
so you can just check specific games if you're into that.
You saw that comment.
But I was happy that you guys did that
because it's just so interesting.
Yeah.
Like it's very cool for that fact.
But if you want something that's like rock solid, reliable,
and you can play games all the time.
Yeah.
Nvidia and AMD have a little more experience.
I just hope enough people buy them
that the whole project doesn't get canned.
Yeah, because I really wanna see Battle Mage.
I really wanna see beyond that.
Intel has some serious, I think Intel, to be clear,
haven't seen Radeon 7000 yet.
But I think from what I know
about their organizational structures,
I think Intel is a much more credible competitor to Nvidia
when it comes to machine learning.
Oh, okay.
Compared to AMD.
Yeah, I was gonna say with the whole,
I can't think of the name for it right now,
but like stitched together cores.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my goodness.
Why is this escaping me as well?
Now you've thrown me off.
Chiplets.
Yeah, with chiplets, there we go.
I am pretty, geez.
I didn't know you were going with machine learning,
but before you were going with machine learning,
I was thinking the chiplets might change everything up.
But the thing is that so much of gaming performance
for us to continue to improve from here,
I don't necessarily think Jensen's correct
that Moore's law is dead,
but as we talked about earlier, certainly slowed down.
And I think a lot of the improvements
to gaming performance going forward
are going to be driven by machine learning
and not just gaming for gamers,
but also gaming for developers, right?
I mean, in a world where you can just kind of,
you know, make a brown box
and then just tell your AI texture generator,
yeah, it's wood.
Whoa!
Right, like that's a game changer.
Oh yeah.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Right?
Took me a second.
Yeah, it totally is though, actually.
So yeah, I don't know, we'll see.
Core Dog asks, who from LTT is going to buy an Intel Arc?
I mean, is this one of those things
where I should just like put my money where my mouth is,
go to memory express, buy an Arc, put it on my mantle,
and just be like, okay, I walked to the log.
Technically bought one.
I just put it on a shelf.
I don't know if that counts.
If I, I think I've said it before
and I would still say it now,
if I was still buying hardware,
I would seriously consider it
because it's just so interesting.
And I would find playing different games
and testing them and stuff, I would find that interesting,
but that's not going to be for most people, for sure.
And there are the, you brought up last time,
you brought up the social issues.
Like if you can't play some game with your friends, it sucks.
Okay, so are you ready?
Yeah.
We've been challenged.
The 30 day Arc challenge?
30 day Arc challenge.
I'm down.
Are you going to actually do it this time though?
I did it.
Mr., I'm going to install Linux on my computer
and then play VR games
for the entire duration of the challenge.
That's not fair.
I played VR games a handful of times.
You just avoided PC gaming the whole time though.
That's a valid result.
That's a valid outcome.
That's fair enough.
It's a valid outcome.
It was too much work to gain.
Yeah, I mean, it was, it actually was.
To be clear, the state of Linux gaming
changed a lot since then, even.
Like man, Steam Deck is kind of wild.
We did know that was likely to happen, to be fair.
But I'm glad we tried it before it got easy mode.
I'm glad to have had the experience.
Trial by fire, man.
I'm forged.
LTT Labs Jake says, I'll be buying one for my wife.
Wow.
You're going to throw under that bus.
Yeah, wife for now.
Why do you hate your wife?
Hopefully she likes diagnosing why games are hard to play.
Or hopefully you know that the game in then in brackets
S that she plays works well on it, I guess.
Okay.
Loser shaves their beard.
That's, wow.
I saw that.
I didn't want to say it
because I really don't want to do that.
Well, how do you lose though?
You game on anything other than an Arc GPU.
Okay, then I think I'll be fine.
Okay.
I could do it for a month.
I could do it for a month.
I've done it before.
I've put friendships on pause for a month.
Okay, sure.
Why not?
Arc challenge.
Not this weekend.
We're going to have, I don't know if we have enough arcs
but we'll set a start date and yeah.
Yeah.
We'll do the Arc challenge.
Okay.
All right.
VR included.
Crap.
It's a game.
All right.
All right.
My deal for that though,
is that I don't want to be the one
that has to change the GPUs in my computers
and put them back.
I'll do my personal rig.
I don't want to do like the VR machine or whatever.
Oh, okay.
Just cause it's like a lot of work
and that's not actual content creation.
So Dan, can you swap my GPUs for arcs please?
Sure.
Okay.
You only have like one computer, right?
Nothing complicated.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
No, okay.
In all seriousness though,
I'm not trying to just be a diva.
When we do videos at my house
that actually disrupt my personal setup
and my personal life.
Yeah, it sucks I'm sure.
Yeah.
And we do it often.
People often leave my place in a state where
if I had done it at work,
there's two or three hours of putting things back
to the way they were that is typically handled
by the writer or by logistics or whatever else
that shouldn't actually be a CEO task
that just gets dumped on me when we do things at my house.
Like it's actually kind of unfair.
So that's my only requirement.
I'm not gonna lose.
I'm not gonna lose.
Neither, we're both way too stubborn.
So it like doesn't really matter what the stakes are.
Neither of us are gonna give up before 30 days.
Yeah.
I would never give it up or let it down.
Hey, we should probably never give up
talking about our sponsors.
Yeah.
Man, we've got a lot of topics to get through.
Good gravy.
We're gonna do show and tell.
Luke hasn't seen an RTX 4090 in person yet.
Yep.
And we brought all of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you wanna see all the different 4090s?
I also actually haven't seen anyone holding one.
I haven't watched a video
or seen a picture of anyone holding one.
I have heard anecdotes of how big they are.
Prepare to prepare yourself.
Yeah.
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Yeah, the maple cayenne is my, is my, is my one.
Mm, that jerky.
Someone tagged me and was like, that's not chicken.
That's fair.
It's good.
I mean, you say that like you're surprised.
Oh, it's been a while.
It tastes like, I mean,
mine didn't have a name change
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Does yours taste different?
All right.
You want to see some 40 90s?
Yeah.
All right, I'm going to go get them.
You want to talk about some notes?
Sure.
Where is the topic?
Some 40 90 notes.
The public has received their first glimpse of the 40 90s.
I'm intentionally not looking up right now
and they are big news, literally.
They're huge.
While the founder's edition is shorter in length
than the 30 90 TI, it is thicker and wider.
And some add in board cards
are comedically large apparently.
The ASUS ROG makes the already massive founder edition card
feel downright reasonable.
Jase two cents did a size comparison video.
I'm sure he did.
Where he compared it to the PlayStation five.
What?
I'm still not looking up.
That's crazy.
He also tried to installing the ASUS card
in the Leon Lee land cool.
J again.
What?
Oh, I don't know what this is.
J again.
Some Leon Lee land cool case.
Okay.
And it looks like it won't fit
in any smaller mid tower cases.
In many.
With many.
Looks tired.
Yeah.
I'm also dyslexic.
Power usage board partners have announced
their recommended PSUs for the 40 90.
Many are using the same 850 watt PSU suggestions
as Nvidia, but a Susan gigabyte
are recommending a minimum of a thousand Watts.
And I always forget pallet.
Pallet.
Pallet is recommending a 1200 watt minimum.
Okay.
Let's begin.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is a 30 90.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's begin with a 30 90.
I have also never held or actually seen in person
one of these and that is absurd.
Yeah.
Oh, Hey Dan, do you want to do the camera?
Let's play Luke show and tell for a little bit here.
So I've, I've been saying for a long time,
a little joke about how GPUs are just little computers
inside your computer.
Cause they like totally are.
If you look at them in an architectural way,
this weighs about the same weight as a little computer.
Okay.
So just, you can stash that right here
and I'm going to get you a 40 90.
Who do you want first?
Do you want colorful MSI, a Seuss?
To be fair, it looked a lot bigger.
Or a ZOTAC.
I think we just send it, go with a Seuss.
First of all, still in the box.
The package is your first hint.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a pretty, it's a thick box.
Sure is.
Thick box.
We're going to do a little live unboxing
for you ladies and gentlemen here,
here on the WAN show.
Okay.
There's some discussion topics by the way.
It is, it is.
I will say it is a little shocking.
Like I've, I've seen a lot of people holding 30 90s.
I knew they were, they were huge,
but seeing and holding one in person,
it is massive and I haven't seen the 40 one yet.
Oh my goodness.
Oh my God.
What the heck?
What the heck?
My poor old like GTX 260 I bought back in the day
would just be embarrassed.
It doesn't feel like it's the same thing.
This is a 30 90 for comparison.
Here, if we got to get it a little higher
for the merch messages.
No, Dan, don't chase as higher the merch messages.
Cover it.
Go down, go down slightly.
You're good.
There you go.
Look at that.
Okay.
And thickness.
Look at the thickness.
What the heck is going on here?
Like that is how many slots thick is that Luke?
Is that three or four, three and a half?
I think it's over three.
Yeah.
Over three slots.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely wild.
You know what?
Hold on.
I'm going to, while you unbox the next one.
It's heavy.
While you unbox the next one,
I'm going to run and grab something
a little more reasonable for scale.
I'm going to go grab a 10 80.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Here, I'll give you the next one.
What do you want next?
What do you want next?
Just hit me with anything.
It doesn't matter.
ZOTAC.
Okay.
Big box.
Big box.
These are crazy.
These are crazy.
Just the cost in like metal.
That'd be quite a bit.
How do I open the box?
That's okay.
I don't feel bad for being confused by that.
Now.
All right.
Card looks sick though.
It does look cool.
It's also literally the size of a computer.
I have to lean away from the mic to do this.
So I apologize.
Oh my goodness.
Hi.
He's back.
Yeah.
And like that wasn't a small card.
No, no, not even a little.
Okay.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Like what?
Like here, thickness.
Look at this.
This is not a small GPU.
No, not at all.
This is a 1080.
It's kind of big actually.
Like it was relatively long.
Yeah.
And it's like,
where's the length difference between these?
Like, look at the amount of,
like you said, the amount of metal on this thing.
Like this end,
I don't think you can see it quite as well.
I'm going to angle it there.
I'm going to angle it like that.
It looks like a spaceship.
Yeah.
It's just huge.
Yeah.
Like I think when I was holding the 3090 up to it,
it was hard to tell the scale,
but you got to understand the 3090
was already ludicrously big.
Yeah.
Ridiculously big.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
I'm rather certain.
Just the heat fins on here are,
just the heat fins are bigger than the entire 1080.
Okay.
This MSI Supreme.
Is that even bigger?
Doesn't need an unboxing because it's already unboxed.
I think this might be even thicker than that one.
Yeah.
It's shorter, but I think it's thicker.
Yeah.
Here.
Let's, let's go like this.
Hold it like this.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
I think, I think mine's a little thicker, Luke.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
You know, you got to deal with what you got.
I, I just, I can't even, you know?
Okay.
There's one, there's one last one here.
We've got a, we've got a colorful eye game.
Here we go.
Ready?
You want to just, maybe just, yeah.
Just toss that down there.
That's fine.
Yeah.
I'm sure it's fine.
Okay.
Here we go.
Is this like, did you save this for last for a reason?
No, no.
I don't even know if this one's the biggest.
I got the bottom.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
And support braces are just going to be necessary.
Yeah.
Do they, do they ship with them?
I don't know.
I hope so.
So, no, not now that I'm not holding it in a weird way.
Hold on, let's bring our 1080 back.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh no.
That's ridiculous.
Yeah.
I mean, to be clear, these are $1,600 GPUs, you know?
For most people, this is a non-issue.
For your pro gamers out there, you know,
I guess you gotta, you might need to think
about upgrading your system.
You're good, Dan.
Time to, what about, you know,
LTT store GPU support braces?
I just, you know-
If you're buying one of these,
maybe you can afford one in like pure gold or something.
Yeah, there's so many different cases and honestly,
so many different of these gigantic GPUs
that I wouldn't even know.
I wouldn't even know where to begin
to try to build a universal one.
That's why I'd be surprised
if there wasn't one that came in the box, to be honest.
Oh.
Oh wow.
There's a liquid cooled one back there too,
a Supreme X from MSI.
It's just wild, man.
Our founders, I think, was supposed to make its way
over here after they were done filming.
Dan, did it never materialize over there?
I will go find it.
No, no, no, you're good, you're good, you're good.
It's okay.
It really looks like the 3090, but bigger.
It's ridiculous.
Find a mini ITX motherboard and plug it in.
I know, right?
There's gonna be builds where the GPU is larger
than the entire rest of the computer,
including like a giant, an NHD 14, you know?
That's pretty wild.
Anyhoo.
They were, I think that's the first time
that I've ever felt a personal computer component
that wasn't a case.
I've been like, wow, this is genuinely heavy.
Yeah.
Like it's never been a thing before.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I can see that.
How big is too big?
That big.
I joked in my unboxing of one of them on short circuit.
I joked that it feels like a matter of time
before your GPU just takes up all seven slots.
And it's like just a big module that you plug in.
Are we heading there?
It feels like it.
It like genuinely does.
Would that matter?
What other PCIE cards do you need?
The rest of the computer is trying to get smaller
and more like data traveling distance efficient
and stuff like that.
Like with drives coming onto the motherboard and stuff,
it's gonna turn into the situation
where you have like this weird module
that you plug your GPU into and that's your whole thing.
Why don't you just plug your computer into your GPU?
Yeah, basically.
Seriously though.
Have dedicated power to the graphics card.
Stop calling it a card, the graphics unit.
It's crazy.
I mean, that is what the U in GPU does stand for.
Yeah, I know, I know.
But it's not card.
That's wild.
I don't know.
I didn't necessarily know how that would make me feel.
And now that I've held them, I still don't know.
But they're absurd.
Do you feel insecure?
I don't want one, which is a weird reaction, I think.
But like that thing's ridiculous.
I don't like, I don't think I've ever held
a computer component and immediately been like,
this is unnecessary.
As hardcore as I just did.
There is no reason this thing needs to exist
in its current form.
At least for me, I'm sure there's some people
that'll do some crazy things with them
that need every little tiny bit of power
they can possibly get.
Sure, some tricked out, modded out, you know.
Sure, yeah.
Or like machine learning applications
or some type of an whatever.
But like, wow.
How much does one of those weigh?
Like, do you have that stat?
I actually don't know, but a lot.
Yeah, let's see, Asus, 40, 90, weight.
Let's see if it's listed here.
Might not be, because why would you bother
and clue that with a graphics card?
But it matters now.
Oh yeah, okay, so it's, yeah, 3.65 slot.
Might as well just call it four.
But yeah, it's not quite four, technically.
Right, not quite four.
Mm-hmm, yeah, they don't list weight here
as far as I can see.
Maybe they do, I just thought I could find it.
Yeah, maybe they should start.
Yeah.
Because it seems like it's getting kind of necessary.
It might actually matter, yeah.
Five pounds, someone said.
That's a lot for a graphics card.
Yeah.
Yeah, crazy.
So here's something that I'm kind of struggling
with a little bit lately.
There was a comment on my AirPods Pro 2 video.
By the way, for those of you wondering,
I was swiping on both sides to try to go back.
It didn't make it into the cut, but I did try both sides.
I do know the correct swipe for back gesture on iOS.
I kind of went on a rant about some unintuitive,
to me, elements of iOS.
I get very frustrated by the absence of a back button
because having a universal way to go back
just seems very obvious to me.
And there's this one comment in particular
that I was kind of sitting there going,
you know, I'll just show you guys on the dock
because I put it in there.
It's like, is it me or is it the children who are wrong?
Basically, the quote was it's obstinance
not to do things that are better for the user.
That's what I said in the video.
And this is the response.
Just say you, Linus, you're not every user.
Just because it's something you don't like
doesn't mean it's the correct way.
You do this nonsense with every video about iOS,
macOS, and sometimes Linux.
If something isn't the way you're used to doing things,
then it's incorrect.
As if he doesn't do it with Windows too.
Also, the back gesture's on the other side.
Like I said, I know that.
I tried both ways, it wasn't working.
If it isn't the way I'm used to, then it's wrong.
You have a massive sense of entitlement.
So I guess I'm trying to figure out how to reconcile this
because on the one hand, it's my job to advocate
for things that are better.
And from my point of view,
there are things that are objectively better.
One of the ones I always come back to,
even though a lot of people still don't really seem to
appreciate the value of it, is T9 dialing.
T9 dialing is objectively faster.
Pull out your phone.
I'll pull out my phone at the same time.
I will be done calling before you are done.
It is actually faster.
And the best thing about how it's faster
is that it doesn't interfere
with any of the other ways of dialing.
You could still dial by numbers
and have things auto-complete like that,
or you could still look up a contact list.
So my way of dialing, which is objectively faster,
also objectively does not interfere
with however you wanna do things.
I don't see that as a sense of entitlement.
And so I guess I just, I get kind of,
I get kind of lost sometimes
because I'm supposed to be saying,
yeah, here is something that would make this better.
I was in a piece of software
where there was no obvious visual indication
of how to go back to where I was before.
And yeah, it frustrated me because it often frustrates me
because there are often situations
where no, Apple's way of handling back on iOS
is not always consistent.
Sometimes it's a swipe back, except when it isn't.
Sometimes there's a thing up in the top left corner,
except that's obviously a bad place to have it
because most of the world is right-handed,
meaning that most of the world,
holding their phone in their dominant hand,
has to reach all the way across it,
all the way to the top in order to activate that
or use a second hand.
It seems to me that it should at least be an option
to have back somewhere where you can actually reach it
without reaching a second hand over to your phone.
And I don't, I guess what I,
what's challenging for me is
I don't know why that bothers people
that I should think that that should be a choice.
I mean, it got zero replies and zero likes.
Yeah, it's not the only,
it's the only reason that I'm bringing it up.
It's not the only one that I've seen like this.
And so I guess I'm struggling a little bit
because I'm not sure what to do.
Should I not speak my mind then?
No.
Should I just let it go?
Should I let go that Apple doesn't have a back button
even though it's wrong?
Should I let go that they don't have T9 dialing
even though they could probably have a dev implemented
in literally an afternoon?
People are gonna get annoyed.
I think you remember like way back in the day
when somebody sent me a death threat
because I reviewed something negatively.
Not that I ever thought it was like real.
I'm not saying that, but like
people are gonna get really defensive about stuff.
And if this individual person is hyper used to it,
so due to their familiarity disagrees,
they might find a different way to try to explain that
where they seem, I don't know.
They might be using that feeling to justify this approach,
but your reviewer, I think you have to do
that type of stuff.
And you're gonna lose some people because of it.
Sure.
But that's fine.
They can just go find a reviewer that feels more similarly
to how they feel.
Someone says iOS has T9 dialing.
Are you sure?
When did they add it?
If that's true, you would just made him a happy man.
No, they don't seem to have it.
You can get a third party app,
like a third party dialer.
Doesn't count.
Yeah, that's no, no.
So iOS does not have T9 dialing.
Also, especially when you have gigantic borderline,
unlimited development teams like companies at this scale
are able to have, I'm not necessarily saying they do,
but are able to have.
I think an option, even if quite buried, would be great.
I think the average user is not gonna change defaults
on practically anything,
especially if you don't prompt them
or let them know that it's there.
So if you have some menu that's like navigation options
or something, and you throw swiping from the side,
we'll always go back or whatever as an option in there.
I think that's a easy solution that hurts no one,
so why not do it?
Yeah, I don't know.
I went through something similar when I,
I forget which car review it was,
but I complained that it didn't have,
it didn't allow you to set cruise control
under I think about 50 kilometers an hour.
And the use case that I brought up for that was school zones
and the number of people who were very angry at me
for thinking that that was just an obviously good feature
was kind of, it took me by surprise.
Oh yeah, I don't get it.
Like they were extremely angry
because I should be paying attention to the school zone
and not in cruise control, right?
Like I'm serious, I'm actually not overselling
how angry some people were about this.
And I was kind of looking at it going right,
but if I set my cruise control at the right speed,
right at the beginning of the school zone,
then what I can do is I can not be watching my speed
because I don't have to worry about a speed trap
or anything like that.
I can be at exactly the right speed.
Not only that, but I can take my foot off my accelerator
and I can cover my brake pedal.
It makes a lot of sense to me.
It is objectively better.
Yeah.
And so is the problem the way that I am presenting it?
Is the fact that I say it is objectively better,
is that the problem?
Maybe, but I still don't necessarily
think you should change that because-
But people are still misunderstanding.
I thought I explained it so clearly.
Who watches their feet while driving?
Nobody, nobody's talking about that.
Watching your feet.
What are you talking about?
So I don't think you should concern yourself
with people that interpreted everything you just
said as watching your feet.
Okay.
I think that's my argument.
I think there's always going to be people that hear incorrectly.
I think there's always going to be people that take a
countering stance for whatever reason.
I think you just got to ignore it and keep pushing forward.
But apparently my point is moronic.
Speed should not be locked on in a school zone.
Why not?
Do you not drive the speed limit?
It's also not locked.
If he breaks-
Yeah.
I'm covering the break.
I'm like, I'm ready.
I'm dialed in.
It doesn't keep gassing while he's breaking.
Do you not know what cruise control does?
Maybe that's the problem.
Maybe that's a misunderstanding.
We both come to that conclusion at the same time.
But yeah, maybe that's the problem.
The car isn't going to keep trying to go at the same speed
if he breaks.
It's going to let him stop.
It's not going to keep going.
Yeah.
No, there's still people really, really misunderstanding this.
How gigantic is the school zone that you would engage cruise control?
It's not about that.
It's not about the length.
It's about covering the break.
Yes.
It's about those fractions of a second of time that it takes to move your foot from
the accelerator to the break in an emergency situation.
It's not about the speed limit.
It's about the situation that you're in and the desire to have a higher level of awareness.
Defensive driving.
Exactly.
It's not about whatever you guys are talking about.
When a full point chat mentioned, it's not autopilot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just setting a speed.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just...
Okay.
So, so I think what we need to talk about then is how do I, how do I present these things
better?
Right?
Someone at full pinch out said, LOL Linus, you're letting yourself get trolled so hard.
This is a problem.
No.
The whole, I hated when trolling and trolled entered the lexicon of internet speech because
it's such a scapegoat for such trash behavior by so many people.
The amount of people that I am 100% certain were totally serious and then figured out
that they were just totally ridiculously wrong and then went, Oh, I be the trolling is very
high.
It gets used to that.
Yes.
There's legitimate trolling.
I have engaged in it.
He engages in it daily.
I am 100% certain.
And it can be very funny and like entertaining, whatever when used in the right way.
But like, I don't think this is that.
And I've seen a lot of takes that without an utterly unfamiliar type of logic just could
not possibly be conceived of as, as a troll.
They just are really, really, really bad.
Like the road's going right and they turn left, right?
And as someone who's read, I promise you a hundred times more YouTube comments than you
have.
Right.
I've seen everything and you can, you know, there's like a spectrum of likelihood that
someone is trolling and sometimes no, it really isn't that it actually is just not getting
it at all.
Like why would it occur to someone to troll about something as sensible as I would like
to have my foot covering the break while I'm in a school zone, just in case a kid runs
in front of my car, why would you troll about that?
That's like, it's like trolling someone because they're like, yeah, this cup shouldn't have,
it shouldn't let water through the bottom.
What?
No, it should.
Like I, it's not funny.
But maybe that's, maybe that's it.
I don't know.
So then what do I, yeah, guilty logic.
You're you're right.
People think criticism of a product they use is criticism of them.
But if I recall correctly, it was the review of the Chevy Volt.
So I don't think a lot of people were using it.
Oh man, whatever, I'm Voltgang.
So someone said, and I don't know how true this is or anything, but Laddie says psychologically
breaking a little is perceived as more significant than lifting off the gas a little.
The argument is that when driving through those situations, people tend to slow down
a bit more, which is safer, but on cruise control, they won't break enough.
They won't break because it doesn't feel enough to break for.
What?
Don't know.
What does that even mean?
I think they're saying that you are less, if you see something happening, you're less
likely to break than to slow down if you're unsure if the thing that is happening is dangerous
for you to be going your current speed at towards, like if you see something moving
behind a car, I think they're saying that you're less and you're like, oh, they could
dart out to the street or it could be a kid or whatever.
I think that they're saying you're a terrible, terrible driver.
I agree.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think that's what they're saying.
I have come to a complete stop because some kid was playing behind a car and I just didn't
trust it.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I don't know.
Anyway, I thought there's a lot of people asking what the devil T9 dialing is.
Basically, think about it like autocomplete while you're dialing a number, okay?
Except that normally if you live somewhere and have acquaintances who live near you,
you would all have kind of the same area code, right?
So you might type in 604 and that's going to autocomplete 80% of the people in your
address book, right?
So that kind of autocomplete for dialing is not super useful.
So I feel like the way most people probably dial these days is either through pre-programmed
favorites where you can just hold one of the buttons or whatever and dial them using their
voice control or going into their contacts list, searching or scrolling and calling someone
from there.
T9 dialing is amazing because what it lets you do, unfortunately I can't really show
you my screen because the numbers show up as part of the preview, is instead of dialing
the number, you dial the letters.
So you know how on your dial pad there's little letters that correspond to every number?
So if I wanted to call Luke, I just type 585 and swipe.
It is fewer interactions, it's really, really fast and it means that even if I have a ton
of contacts, it's no more than three to four interactions right on the dial pad and I can
immediately call someone.
That's why it's good.
It takes away absolutely nothing from anyone else's preferred way to use it and like I
said before, and this is why it's so frustrating to me, it's like not allowing people to put
icons anywhere they want on their desktop, right?
It costs Apple nothing to implement it.
But they don't because why?
I don't know.
Oh, someone's saying call Luke is too hard.
Well, A, that's, I mean, it's what you want to use voice control all the time?
No, no, it's not always appropriate.
And voice control is fricking terrible.
I was gonna say I never use it because it tends to call the wrong person and that's
really annoying.
Okay.
You guys want to hear me go off on Google instead of Apple?
This is fun.
Watch this.
Okay.
Here we go.
Call Jake Tyve.
Sorry.
Who do you want to call?
Look at this.
Call Jake Tyve.
I said the exact same bloody thing both times.
The first time it goes Jake TV.
Now, the way it should work is Google should take that, should take that input, right?
And it should go, Jake, I understood.
Is there anything that could be kind of close in this address book to Tyve and it won't
do it.
I've got, I've got another really good one.
This one feels like the, um, this, yeah, it feels like the searching in windows problem
or when you search in windows, if it's not a hundred percent certain, it immediately
just bangs it and it's like, maybe you should have looked at local files.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is a really good one.
Call Hoffman.
This can be like hot man or something.
Which would you like?
Got a bunch of, uh, Google results for Hoffman and son limited Rob Hoffman realtor.
It's trying to Google maps him somewhere.
You want to know why?
Because Hoffman's name is spelled with two ends at the end.
All you have to do is check what's in my fucking address book and find something kind of close
to, you know how often I tried to call my wife and I am not able to, you'd think it
would contextually, you know, AI who I usually call and figure out who I'm talking about.
So there's someone named Yvonne or some business called Yvonne something that if I just say
call Yvonne, occasionally it'll dial.
So if I don't pay attention, which is dangerous when I'm driving and stuff, right?
If I don't pay attention to what number it says it's calling, it'll call this other random
thing, probably one out of every 10 times, but it gets even better.
Okay.
Easy solution.
Call Yvonne.
Ho.
Right.
I'm sorry.
There's no number for Yvonne home.
Uh, there's one that's real close.
Someone in chat said, yeah, it should, it should prioritize your local contacts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the same.
It's the same thing as the window search problem.
Uh, it's the exact same issue.
So this is the kind of stuff that I just, I don't know how to handle, right?
Because other than getting angry about how obvious this problem is and how obvious the
solution is and staying angry forever because it's still not fixed, um, isn't it my job
to, I think there's always going to be a certain minimum amount of alienation, uh, cause people
are going to, uh, misinterpret or disagree and disagree is completely fine.
Like someone might, someone might think that not prioritizing, looking at local files on
windows and not prioritizing local contacts when trying to voice call someone is the right
way.
I'd be very interested in hearing that argument, but considering they both work that way, that
arguments got to exist somewhere.
I have no idea how it makes any sense, but it's got to exist somewhere.
And guys, maybe they disagree adding nicknames like wife or like changing people's names
in your contact book to know that that's a bad solution.
That's a stupid solution.
That's a manual solution in an automated world.
Like that's not how it should work.
You can tell Google who your wife is and call it, say, call my wife.
Um, no, that's no, I respect your opinion, but I believe that Google with their experience
could probably engineer a superior solution.
And yes, I'm aware that you can say, call Yvonne home mobile.
The problem is that sometimes it just doesn't, sometimes it'll still do the home.
It'll, it'll, it'll grab the word home first.
The one that really makes me more angry than anything is when I'm dictating to the Google
assistant and it hears me just fine.
It is exactly what I wanted.
Call James Stripe and then it's like, sorry, can't find James Stroup or what?
Cause it, cause it just doesn't know that name and it's like, no, no, phonetically,
you were fine.
Everything was fine.
And then you were like, oh, you surely, you couldn't have meant that even though I have
a contact in my contact list that matches what you had perfectly, you would think you
would check.
Right?
Cause like fuzzy logic, right?
You would check the, the, the, the 90 and then the 85 and then the 75% certainty.
If they prioritize local storage or in this case, local contacts, the second you say call
as your prime first word, it should immediately prioritize local contacts.
But yeah, I feel like I've said the same thing like a billion times, but same as the windows
problem.
It, the windows one is almost worse because even if you have a perfect match, it will
first look online and then look local.
So if you type it and then press enter quickly, it'll just Bing search it, which is so annoying.
Yeah.
That one bothers me.
Um, but yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I don't know.
I think you just got to keep doing it and I think you would just keep doing it anyways.
I don't think it matters.
Yeah.
In an infamous, Alex says, I believe it's in how the message is delivered.
People will always expect you to come to them.
So you stating that something is objectively better, even when it is, can come across as
arrogant or otherwise.
I, you know, I think that's fair.
So that's probably fair, but I don't necessarily think you should change it.
Well, yeah.
What is it?
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar or whatever it is.
So I just have to like be nicer about it.
Sometimes you don't want that fly to have honey.
Should I just say, should I just say, um, your, your stance that Apple should not build
features that are better for some people is valid, but I respectfully wish that they would
build features that are better for some people.
Is it valid though?
Um, I mean, it's valid to them.
No, I mean, I don't know, man.
People might not appreciate my stance on all that, but I just, I don't know.
I think sometimes you lose people and I think sometimes it's worth it.
Get ready to eat says I'll play devil's advocate here, having a name at all as a manual solution
in an automated world.
So adding wife in the relationship box is the same as putting a name in the name box.
Uh, disagree.
Actually, a lot of my contact list is automatic because I use Google for work.
So it gets populated by, yeah, it just gets populated.
Yeah.
Um, and the more that we can automate the better.
So any excuses that we make for not automating things properly, I think is just a setback,
right?
Like, why are we, why do we accept it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if I email someone and they email me back, I don't actually know at what point
in that chain this happens, but if there's email exchanges with someone, they're added
to my contacts and just, it happens.
Yeah.
I want that.
That's good.
Cork 1947 says no F the haters accessibility and inclusiveness is something that every
dev should strive for anyone who disagrees is wrong.
Okay.
But I'm not going to, I'm not going to win any friends that way.
No, but I agree.
It's great.
I need people to like me.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's sometimes, uh, as someone who works with developers on a platform, sometimes
it is very technically expensive, um, to incorporate those things.
But we are currently talking about a platform that is at a scale where their technical powerhouse
behind it is immense and they could absolutely do these things and it wouldn't be a big deal.
Right.
All right.
What else we got to talk about today?
Uh, Oh man.
Do you want to talk about the Mario movie teaser trailer?
I haven't even watched it.
I bring it up.
We're immediately losing monetization.
It's Nintendo.
No, no, no.
We're not going to, we don't have to show it.
We can just all watch it together.
Guys.
We'll just post the link in the chat and do a bit of a timer.
Yeah.
And we'll just all press go.
Yeah.
Let's watch it together.
I haven't watched it yet either.
Okay.
So I'm throwing it in the Twitch chat.
You got float plane chat.
Yeah.
We're not going to have audio.
Are we?
I mean, but we can't play it through the stream.
We can just look at it.
It's fine.
That's fine.
It's fine.
All right.
Ready?
Set.
Go.
Oh, good gravy.
It's over two minutes long.
Yeah.
Uh, Oh man.
I don't, I don't know if I want to watch the whole two minutes.
Okay.
So there's some magma.
What's the difference between lava and magma.
I forget.
One of them is underground.
One of them is not cool.
Thanks.
So it's lava then.
I think so.
Well, lava is definitely the one above ground.
I know that.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Big castle right next to the other castle sup magic Koopa, how you doing?
It's kind of surprising.
They didn't do a Mario movie before.
Now that I think about it, they did the Mario brothers.
It's like horrible.
It's live action.
A movie.
I thought they did.
It's a TV show.
Oh, I didn't know it was a TV show.
Maybe it's just a TV show.
I don't know.
Who is this?
This isn't the, Oh, penguins.
Let's go.
They're going to lose.
Yeah.
And stuff.
I kind of see this coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's going to be predictable, but that makes sense.
That's okay.
Oh, I liked a little, the little fur cute.
They don't have realistic, uh, penguin teeth, but that's probably good because that's terrifying.
Bowser kind of looks like an old man.
And he breathes fire.
He doesn't breathe fire like that.
Yeah.
He shoots fireballs.
Doesn't he?
It was a movie.
Apparently it was a movie.
I'll show you what I know.
Or there is a movie.
I don't know.
Maybe there's also a TV show.
Great lighting.
I first noticed this with how to train your dragon, having cartoon characters in like
two realistic looking fantasy environments.
It's a little weird, like showing one, showing the light kind of like the mushrooms look
like they're plush.
What the heck?
They look like they're fabric.
Okay.
And that's it.
All right.
Official teaser trailer.
I think the kids will like it.
Bowser could breathe streams of fire in the OG Mario games and in 64.
That doesn't sound right.
In the OG Mario games I thought it was fireballs.
In the very first one it's fireballs.
I know that much.
Yeah.
And I don't think he throws any fire anything in Super Mario world for the SNES.
I don't remember Super Mario brothers three though.
I mean, he also said 64 and I didn't play it.
Oh, I can't hear anything so I don't get to hear the voice.
You must hear Chris Pratt play Chris Pratt.
I don't think I need that.
I'm sorry guys.
I don't need it.
I'm good.
But yeah, that's a thing.
It happened.
Chris Pratt's Mario voice is just Chris Pratt.
Oh, it seems like he might be able to be trying to do a slight New Yorker accent.
Like, Hey, I'm walking here.
That seems like an oversight.
Why didn't they just get the Mario guy to do the voice of Mario?
Yeah, he's still alive.
This has been weird the entire time.
Oh, and I think it's probably really weird for him as well because again, he's still
alive.
It's not like they couldn't get him to do it.
Okay.
Our discussion question here is more than an hour of that voice might be a little much.
It is Chris Pratt's regular speaking voice too far in the other direction.
Uh, probably I would think probably, um, all right.
In other news, Overwatch two had a pretty rough launch this week.
Have you played, have you tried to play, I guess is more valid question.
I've tried to play.
I have not played.
Um, yeah, very funny.
Very not surprising given that it's Blizzard and this is how every single game that they
launched goes.
Um, but yeah, Overwatch two launched October 4th sort of players were stuck queuing with
tens of thousands of other players.
Blizzard president Mike Ybarra initially tweeted that they were experiencing server issues.
He later tweeted that they were experiencing a massive DDoS attack.
There are known bugs.
Many of them, some are very bad.
There's a known bugs list.
Um, there was a beta.
I don't know why they bother sometimes if they're not going to do anything about the
things that were found in the beta.
There was four hours of downtime Thursday evening during prime time.
That is specifically when I tried to play her a very cool cues are apparently still
really bad.
Uh, even without the issue, some critics are still upset at Overwatch two just in general.
This has nothing to do with the launch problems.
They're saying that it's basically Overwatch one with a couple of very minor feature updates
to be fair.
They literally told you that, um, like the ability not cost extra.
No it doesn't.
Yeah.
And they said that the, like the multiplayer is going to merge in and like you wouldn't
have to pay for it, uh, in order to play.
Like I think you gain like single player stuff if you pay for it.
It's one of those types of things, which people were praising at the time and they got it
and it wasn't different.
And now they're upset.
I don't know.
Um, there's not much of a graphical update, uh, as far as I've heard.
It's basically like it's six hours later.
Like every map that is like sort of nighttime is like kind of morning and every map that
was nighttime.
It's like, or you know what I mean?
It's just every map seems like it was pushed slightly further in the day.
Um, the battle, it's a battle pass instead of loot boxes, which I mean, maybe that's
better pick your poison.
I guess maybe it's not, um, the PVE mode got delayed.
I didn't know that this is basically the only true new feature of Overwatch 2 as far as
my understanding was back in the day.
That's why they did it, uh, that they were mentioning and now it's delayed like halos
campaign co-op I'm sure it feels very similar.
The cosmetics and their pricing has been heavily criticized as per usual.
Uh, there's a rare skin that costs three or a rare skin costs 300 coins, which will take
over a month to acquire and legendaries cost 1900 so you're spending many months if you
want to get a legendary.
Okay.
Is this me being out of touch?
Why do you care?
Just use a default skin.
Yeah.
Let's go.
I agree.
Um, I, well, I also don't want like ridiculous priced things for people that are going to
buy it, but yeah, I just, I wish people would default skin more often.
Um, and I think it's like ridiculous and stupid and should be frowned upon, um, when anyone
criticizes anyone else for not having skins in video games.
Cause like, wow, that's the, probably the least valuable purchase you can make in your
day.
Um, other than, okay, actually that's very not true.
There's a lot of other things that could be worse, but anyways, it's not great.
Uh, there's a discussion question.
Windows 11 was a free upgrade from windows 10.
Is Blizzard doing the same with Overwatch, but worse seeing as Overwatch one servers
are shutting down.
So you're required to upgrade if you want to keep playing the game.
I don't think it's necessarily that much worse because I don't think it's that different.
The whole, the whole argument of the game has barely changed means that I don't think
you can really complain too much that Overwatch servers ended, Overwatch one servers ended.
I do know that player teams went from six to five.
So if you had a friend group of six people that all played Overwatch, that sucks a lot.
Um, I didn't see like that too, particularly in any part of the notes, but I think that's
going to be quite brutal.
I think they went to five because basically every other game is five.
So it'll make it easier for friend groups of five to transfer over to Overwatch.
Um, that makes sense.
And you can't really have, you can't really maintain the competitive balance at five or
six.
Yeah.
But then if they didn't, it's gonna be rough.
If they didn't make many changes to the maps anyway, then maybe it didn't matter.
Yeah.
Maybe it never mattered.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I find the launch issues to be funny just because it's such a blizzard thing.
Um, every launch they're like, what?
We got D Dost like every other time.
No way.
In fairness, that's probably a really big D Dost cause people really hate blizzard.
Yeah.
With good reason.
So yeah.
There's that.
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah.
Playing games on launch as fun as it sounds, uh, if you're not ready for this type of issue
in the modern day, it's going to happen with like basically everybody, it's pretty crazy.
I do find it interesting, um, that old school game launches went a lot better in a lot of
cases because it was a lot more common for old school games to have dedicated servers.
Yeah.
So it like wasn't really much of an issue.
So if there was a problem, people could just spin up another server and it would be some
nobody spinning up the server.
So nobody would think to attack them.
They're like, yeah, yeah.
Either your individual server gets D Dost or if there's too many players, I mean, well,
your server just filled up and you as an individual, if you're the server host, you probably have
reserve slot.
So you don't care.
Yeah.
No big deal.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's interesting.
When someone in the chat goes, how did I not notice the move from six to five players?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe it just didn't matter.
Uh, Oh, in other news, I completely forgot to put this in the doc, but we did a review
of the star forge systems creator PC or whatever, whatever that thing was called.
And one of the founders isn't the number one.
Yeah.
Well I searched for, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh, one of the creators who is actually behind star forge PC, uh, Asmongold, I think that's
how I pronounce that.
Did a reaction stream watching the review just, it appeared, uh, he's either an excellent
actor or it appeared that he was doing it live bra.
Haven't seen it before, um, and discussed sort of the criticisms that I had as well
as the praises that I gave to the system.
So it's funny to me that that actually has more views than the original review.
Um, that's, that's a little different.
I think that's what he does sometimes.
Yup.
So that's a, that's a thing that happened this week.
I'd say that it is probably worth a watch.
Um, I think that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've, I've watched it.
I think that I don't, I wouldn't have done it any differently from him, but he was very
click a very quick to declare victory when I said anything remotely positive.
I think that makes it fun though.
Uh, and, and what he's trying to do is make an engaging stream, right?
So like, so if, if you, if you say something positive, he's going to try to cut you off
before you potentially make it negative, celebrate.
And then if you trash on something, it, it, you know, it makes the story more interesting.
Sure.
It makes sense.
Um, and I think that, uh, but I will also say that he seems to be taking the criticism
very seriously.
So to, to his credit, and I don't know much about the rest of the ownership group.
In fact, I don't know much about him either.
I, it's just not really a space that I participate in.
Um, to his credit and hopefully the rest of the ownership group, they seem to be taking
the issues that we had very seriously.
And you know, hopefully they're, hopefully they're in this for the long run.
I'm, you know, still, I still believe what I said at the end of that video.
Um, there's, there's risks associated with buying from any, you know, brand new company
that is still kind of trying to figure out what they're doing.
Sometimes it can go very right.
Sometimes it can go very wrong.
So wish them, wish them the best of luck.
Uh, I also stand behind everything I said about how challenging this business model
is.
It's really tough.
It's really tough.
There's, there's just not, there's not that much money in it and there's costs that will
be cumulative.
There's costs that will pile up over time.
As soon as you've got a hundred systems out there, someone is going to call support every
day and that's not something you're making money on.
Once you've got a thousand systems out there, 10 someone's are going to be calling every
day and that's not something you're making money on.
And so these are just costs that all of a sudden you're kind of sitting here going,
well, yeah, that really wasn't part of our calculation when we were selling these things,
but now we're just carrying these on an ongoing basis.
And I know that there's a lot of other boutiques that will, that will, that will talk to these
people.
And we did a, we did a tech support.
That video hasn't gone up yet.
Okay.
It's another tech support stream.
And you know, the kinds of things people will call in about can be simple, but very time-consuming
in some cases, you know, multiple reboots or, you know, reformatting something.
And if you're trying to provide good customer service, you can't just abandon them.
Right.
So it's, it's, it's tough.
It can be time-consuming.
It can be expensive.
I wish them the most of luck.
And my final word on the subject is that the logo is 100% a c**t in balls.
There's simply no doubt.
I mean, it even has, have you seen the logo?
Oh yeah.
It even has like an asterisk kind of behind the balls, which is, you know, here I'll mime
it out for you.
What that probably is.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yep.
Wow.
So I don't, I don't make the rules.
Yeah.
I don't decide what is or isn't a, one of those.
And it was obviously done with intention, but I do find the trying to play it off as
if it wasn't entertaining, which is, I am certain the whole point, but yeah.
I mean, we can hope here for those of you who are not familiar with what the logo looks
like for star forge systems, hammer really.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
It's just, you know, it's like Thor's hammer.
So the, the handles kind of, you know, proportionate to the size of the hand and you've got the
block down there and it's called star forge.
So there's a star in the middle of the flat side of the hammer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a penis rocket.
Yep.
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
I'm glad we settled that once and for all
What's next?
We should do some rich messages.
Yeah.
Stop Dan.
Yeah.
Are you typing away?
You're up.
Typing away.
Let me just cancel this one.
You can be responded to later.
Yeah.
We've got quite a few here today.
This one's from Nathan.
Any chance of getting float plane app for Android TV and video shield?
So far, those are the only ways I'm able to enjoy most long form content.
Sort of.
I kind of just want to leave it at that to be completely honest.
We have a bit of a plan for fixing some of those types of things.
But I haven't actually really started working on it yet.
So I don't want to talk about it too much because the second you talk about those types
of things, people expect it's coming out next week.
And that's definitely not how anything works.
So yeah.
Is there a chance?
Yes.
Soon?
Probably not.
This is a good question from John S. Sorry, this one just came in.
So Dan hasn't had a chance to curate it yet.
But do you sky see big tech using peer to peer to alleviate the cost of bandwidth in
the future for higher quality video?
It technically makes a lot of sense, but, but people don't want that.
And there's an analytics issue.
You lose control over knowing exactly what is happening on your network, on your network,
which is why the, the w what's the, what's it called?
Hub and spoke or whatever model is, uh, remains dominant.
There's a lot of reasons why when a lot of those types of, yeah, quality of service with
that is hard.
Yeah.
There's, there's a lot of very significant hurdles.
It doesn't make a lot of sense bandwidth wise.
Sure.
Absolutely.
But it's been thought about for a very long time.
And I think if it was genuinely the right thing to do, it would have been done.
You want some more, uh, last week, Luke mentioned how you built out a CDN for floatplane.
Usually I associate this with type of development with companies the size of Google and cloud
fair.
How did a company your size go about it?
Proprietary.
Don't talk to me anymore.
What's much difficult to you.
Very hard.
Yeah.
Um, we started running into, I had some guidance from some people that used to work at Twitch.
That's as far in as I'll go is with that, um, about some things that we might run into
and uh, yeah, sure.
We definitely ran into them.
Um, and they, they suggested at the time that we don't pursue doing that at all because
of the issues that they ran into and yup, uh, those are definitely issues that we ran
into is all really say, uh, but our whole idea from the beginning was that we didn't
want to be beholden to one thing.
So we had to have a internally set up CDN that would at least technically work so that
we would always have a fallback.
Was it the best?
No.
Could it even be, was it even the most cost effective?
No, no, but it worked.
And if we really have to, we can go back to it.
Um, right now it's not, so we don't use it so much.
Uh, we use it for some things, but not for everything, but honestly the entire float
plane project as a whole, um, could have a giant question mark on it of how did you ever
think you could do this with a team, um, that isn't 10 to a hundred times bigger, uh, 10
would honestly be relatively small.
Um, and it's, we've been trying really hard, uh, the team's really, really good.
Uh, I strongly believe in each person on the team.
Uh, I think they do a fantastic job.
I think they are often harder on themselves than I am, uh, sometimes to the point where
it's a problem.
Um, but they try really, really hard all the time.
I don't know.
The effort is really high because you heard it here first, the float plane team is a bunch
of tryhards.
Yeah, pretty much, uh, because I think the, the personal care and investment from the
members of the team is really high.
Um, I mean, is it worth sort of explaining to people who don't fully understand what
the difference is between just having a server and having a CDN?
A lot of the problems behind CDNs, we talked about this earlier in the show is ISPs.
So if you plunk and we ran into this like immediately.
If you just plunk a server in Europe and you're like, we have a server in Europe.
That's enough, right?
All the Europeans can connect to that server.
That's close.
That's great.
It has a big fat pipe.
It's not that far.
Yeah.
It's the internet.
It's fast.
It's fiber, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Well, except what if one of the people that is trying to access data off that server also
known as watch a video is on an ISP and the route between that person all the way through
their ISP onto whatever lines eventually lead them to your server.
What if that route is junk?
What if somewhere in there is a problem and, uh, okay, so we're trying to set up our own
CDN, but we don't have our own data centers because we're nowhere near that big and we
have nowhere near that amount of money.
So we're going to plunk into other people's well, what if that data center isn't super
interested in fixing the problem?
What if that ISP isn't super interested in fixing that problem?
Agee just mentioned congestion.
There's tons of issues along the way and a lot of them are fairly out of our hands, um,
without doing immense amount of further investment in some situations, even with immense amount
of further, uh, investment without partnerships with these different ISPs, without, uh, partnerships
on a lot of different levels.
It's really hard, um, and basically only works at immense scale.
Another big difference is that a CDN is going to have more than just origin servers, right?
So it's, it's operating with a greater degree of complexity or intelligently caching the
content that people are most likely to need as close to them as possible, uh, while keeping
the main repository of your content in a consolidated central location or locations.
So it's more complex essentially.
There's a big problem.
Yeah.
One of the early projects that we made, um, was like a multi CDN system so that we can
switch which one we use.
Uh, because one of the very important parts from the beginning was that we wanted to be
able to, you know, maybe we have some downtime if this has to happen, but there's a path
every time.
If, if someone cuts us off for whatever reason, there's a path.
We know what we have to do.
If our CDN cuts us off, we know what we have to do to get going again.
If our server host cuts us off, we know what we have to do to get going again.
There might be complications there.
Um, but I think that's fairly reasonable and it's never actually been a problem, which
is great.
It's very cool.
Yeah.
Okay.
Moving on.
Let's see.
Got another one from Adam here.
Hi Linus and Luke Linus from your experience at NCAX.
Do you have any advice for someone early in their career as a spend category manager specifically
for someone working in the electronics slash electromechanical space?
I don't know.
Don't f**k up.
Good advice.
Don't order too much.
Don't order too little.
If you order too much or too little, uh, cover your butt.
I don't know.
Like right.
It's just, it's your typical like corporate desk job politicking, right?
Like it's, uh, if you're, if you're decent, right, if you're, if you're pretty good at
what you do, then yeah, it shouldn't be a, it shouldn't be a major problem to get the
hang of whatever it is that you're, that you're buying and buying the right amount of stuff.
Be organized.
You know, that's something that I wasn't always good at, but it was something that I strove
to do.
I think that's the best I can really offer you.
Sorry.
Okay.
Uh, this one's from Daniel.
Love the show and all you guys do with labs rolling out.
How do you think you guys will move away from using direct links to products in video descriptions
and instead link to labs pages that show up to date recommendations for that type of product?
I think that is a good idea.
I didn't think of it personally yet.
Um, but I think it's a, it's a most wonderful, super extra good idea.
Like labs and then labs to the actual products.
Yeah.
I know that YouTube is working on more features where you can shop directly on the video,
like from within the video player.
And so it might not always make sense to link back to a labs page that could end up being
an overwhelming information dump on people.
So depending on the product, yeah, it might not be the most sensible thing.
Like if we do a Roundup and we're like, this is the best one.
That's all the information you might need at that point.
So maybe we just linked to that product and it's, and it's all done with hard to say,
but that's a good idea.
Okay.
Got another one here from Alan.
Uh, what do you think about having VR headsets that offload as much as the weight of possible
to hang around the neck, uh, and on the shoulder, like some Bluetooth headsets, uh, P S R C
fire truck.
Um, okay, well, no promises for any fire.
Dang it, Dan.
No promises for any fire truck merch.
Uh, I think that that would really restrict the mobility of your head.
I think there's a lot of issues with that actually.
Uh, also, I think they would move more.
Yeah, I could see that they'd have a higher, higher potential to slide around and move
more.
I think we just need them to get lighter, plain and simple.
I don't think there's any way around it guys.
Okay.
Uh, this is from an anonymous.
We've got it.
Sorry.
We've got a bit of a Dan's really far away.
So there's a bit of a line delay.
Um, you know, when we're talking, he's kind of like on the news, you know, when the one
person finishes talking and the other person's like, thanks Dan, it's been great having you
on the show.
Um, okay, sorry, go ahead.
It's nice to be here.
Okay.
This one's from anonymous.
What are you most afraid of in the coming decade?
Nuclear war.
No, no, no, no.
Not, uh, not like three months, like decades.
Nuclear fallout, nuclear winter.
Other more different nuclear war.
Um, my children's generation, um, having no idea what to do with themselves in a world
that is full of automation.
It's going to be really difficult.
I know there's this whole thing where like, Oh, the older generations always look down
at the younger generations and think they're weak or whatever.
I'm looking down and being like, you guys are going to have a hard time.
Like yikes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, it feels like we're trending in the other direction.
So yeah.
Okay.
This is an interesting one.
This is by Peter.
Uh, hi, Ellen L. I wonder how differently LMG and MKBHD operate LMG with 80 plus workers
and multiple sponsored videos a day, MKBHD with a small team, irregular videos and hardly
at hardly ads.
Uh, why the difference?
Okay.
Well, there's a couple of things.
First of all, we do not have multiple sponsored videos a day.
Boy, would that ever be profitable?
Oh, I think I see what you mean.
Okay.
So I was drawing a distinction between a fully sponsored video and a video with a sponsor
like message in it.
Uh, so yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess we have multiple videos a day.
Uh, Marquez has a relatively small team, not as small as it used to be like, Ooh, boys
hiring.
They're hiring over there you guys.
Um, but yes, uh, a much more irregular schedule, um, fewer, fewer sponsorships.
I mean, they're just, they're just different models, right?
Like the Mark Rober model, right?
Is very different from either of us.
Every single video that dude is swinging for the fences.
Like if he doesn't get 30, 40, 50 million views, I suspect his sponsors and partners
are going to be, are going to feel shortchanged.
You know what I mean?
Whereas we're built more along the lines of like, Hey, we are going to up, we upload,
you can't set your, you can't set your watch to LTT, but you can certainly set your calendar.
We upload every day on a schedule.
There's no shortage of ideas.
If anything, we don't have enough time to make all the videos that we want to make.
So you can count on us to have videos coming.
You can count on the quality to be consistent, but you know what, whether it's due to the
sheer volume or whether it's due to the more niche nature of our subject matter, it's not
going to get 30, 40, 50 million views.
You'll expect somewhere in the neighborhood of one to 4 million views, something along
those lines.
And you can adjust your expectations accordingly.
By the way, because we know what our inventory is going to be a year in advance, you can
set up a retainer and you can kind of schedule out what you're going to want your quarterly
spend to be coordinate that with your launches and whatever else it is that you need to do.
And that's the way that we kind of roll it.
As for Marquez, I mean, I don't have any insider information into how they're structured.
Obviously we sponsored a video with them recently and the process was really not that dissimilar
to what it's like for a sponsor to sponsor a video with us.
So I think they are just, you know, maybe not swinging for the fences like a Mark Rober.
It's still a more niche kind of subject than what Mark does, but I think that Marquez does
tend to stay a little more on the mainstream side of tech.
And I think that, you know, they're just, they're doing what works for them, right?
I don't know.
I mean, not everyone aspires to do what we're doing here, even if they could.
There's advantages and there's disadvantages to doing things different ways.
Like I think the grass is always greener on the other side at Creator Summit, I ran into
a lot of, you know, one person bands, you know, and I would look at them kind of enviously
sometimes, right?
Like here they are, they don't, no one's calling them, you know, there's no one's asking them
for direction, their monthly overhead is basically nothing if they decide to take two weeks off,
they just are not working for two weeks and there's no cost associated with that other
than an opportunity cost.
But then, you know, they look at me and they go, wait, you posted a video five minutes
ago?
We were talking five minutes ago.
I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, we've got like the team's still in the office, they're doing
that.
And that to them is like mind blowing, right?
Like, wow, that would be amazing.
But something I learned very early on is that the worst way to double your output is to
hire twice as many people.
It just does not work like that.
There's just something inherent about building out a business that adds bloat and adds in
efficiencies and adds communication problems, HR issues, especially as you scale.
And every time you kind of reach a new milestone of growth, these problems compound, right?
Like there are, I've had so many conversations that I would never in a thousand years have
expected myself to have.
I'm not going to get into any of them right now because I think people will know, you'll
know who you are, but yeah, it's very challenging.
There's no, it's kind of the beauty of YouTube.
I know I've talked a lot of negativity about YouTube over the years, but you can kind of
do it any way you want.
The only thing that matters is the result that you are creating content that people
want to watch.
And I think that we have a very different audience from someone like a Marquez.
I think we have a smaller audience that is accustomed to tuning in daily.
Whereas I think he has a broader audience that may or may not tune into every single
video.
And you can see that in the variations and viewership from one video to the next.
And either way works, right?
He seems to be doing all right.
I'm definitely doing all right.
Yeah.
That's your cue Dan, I thought you were doing the camera.
Well, I'm using the camera as the cue.
Okay, whatever then.
This one's from anonymous.
I work as an engineer full-time and have thought of starting a side gig and slowly transitioning
into that full-time.
If it is fruitful, what practical gotchas would you keep an eye out for?
What would indicate the side gig is mature enough for a full-time transition?
Money.
Money.
Yeah.
Is it enough money to support yourself?
It doesn't have to be the same amount of money you're making now, but you have to look for
that trend line.
Is it heading toward what you're making now?
Will what you're making now scale more and move out of reach?
Does it make you happier?
Right?
Does it give you more time at home with your family, for example?
And most importantly, is it enough to support yourself?
I would add in proof of concept first.
Don't try to, whatever it is that you're doing, don't try to make the final thing first.
And then after having done all of that investment, see if it's viable.
That's a really good point.
You should do something, just something, anything just to find out if maybe you're the kind
of person who just- You might not even want to do it.
Can't get motivated.
Yep.
Like if you don't have an office to go to and people to talk to.
You know what I mean?
You just won't feel like getting out of bed.
Even though there might be some waste involved, it is worth putting your toe in the water
first instead of just diving in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Got another one here from Eli.
Hey guys, first time merch buyer here.
With DLSS3 technology on the horizon, what do you think that AI enhanced technology could
take gaming in terms of performance, visuals, et cetera?
I think it would be really interesting to see procedurally generated assets in a game
through AI.
You know how I talked about before the idea of game development, where you just make a
brown cube and then say, this is wood.
And all of a sudden you've got a wooden crate or something like that.
You could add more to it.
You could say wooden chest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would be really interesting because you know, one of the things that's really immersion
breaking for me in particular, and to be clear, I'm not, I'm not saying that this is a big
problem and I am so bothered by it, but it does break the immersion for me when I noticed
duplicated assets.
If I walk into a grand ballroom and I noticed that every single candle is exactly the same
asset, it can be a little immersion breaking.
Dungeons and video games are a classic version of this.
Yeah.
But they made four models for stone bricks.
Like every, every Skyrim or not every Skyrim dungeon, but like a huge portion of Skyrim
dungeons are the same path, but different like textures and stuff.
Yeah.
So I think it would be super cool if instead of actually building out the individual models,
there was a game developer or game developers or an engine developer that made AI of an
integral part of the, of the game itself.
So when you, when I say procedurally generated, I don't mean like the layout of a dungeon.
I mean the look of it.
Yeah.
So, so the developer, yeah, the developer would say it's, it's damp.
It transitions this way.
It's it's, uh, it's gloomy, it's granite, it's, it's this, it's that.
And, and you would, you would just kind of, you could go into each one.
I think it would be cool because you could make like enormous, enormous games.
And I really do.
I really do enjoy games that have a, like a sense of, of vastness, a sense of scale
and exploration.
I think that's something that is going to continue to work better as we get technologies
like direct storage in our games, you know, on PCs and stuff like that.
Um, you know, being able to seamlessly roam from one environment to the next with no loading
times and just, you know, go out in front of a, a verdant field.
I think it might be, it could be kind of cool.
Yeah.
Like if every rock in a field was a bit different, you know, so that I think that deduplication
of assets would be, would be super cool.
Yeah.
There.
That's one, that's one idea.
Has anyone done that?
Like guys, let me know.
There's been forms of it.
You could do it through procedural textures.
Yeah.
I think that, I think that AI could probably do it better.
Like if you really just put down white spheres and we're like, these are all skulls.
I think it could be done like high resolution skull models.
Totally should be like with current technology, I think it'll just, it would take a while
for that to become mainstreamable.
Yeah.
People keep on saying Nomads Sky, I don't think it's quite that.
No, no, no, no.
I think what you're talking about is like asset mutation almost like a developer would
do one skull and then you would say this skull is longer and it has more teeth or it could
just modify it in different ways.
You're talking about like the, the input stuff that's happening to recently.
Exactly.
But you only have to do one, which would be kind of interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
Moving on.
Hi Linus and Luke, I've been watching since the NCIAC days.
What non AAA hidden gem game that you would recommend everybody play or at least try?
It's hard to recommend games to everyone.
Yeah.
I feel like especially these days, to be completely honest, unless it's like a Mario platformer,
it's, you know, usually they're a little bit more specific.
One of the ones that I enjoy throwing out there is Golf Story.
I've done it a bunch of times though.
It's very fun.
If you are not interested in golf games, it will still be fun.
It's not exactly a hidden gem game, but I'm really enjoying battle block theater with
my son.
That's cool.
Yeah.
It's fun.
Nice.
Oh, Minecraft.
I've got one from Peter.
Hey, I'm a student studying computer hardware security, focusing on risk five.
Risk is good.
Introducing risk five so many years ago.
How long do you think it will take?
86 level mainstream.
Man, this is going to be one of those things that doesn't age well, but I don't know that
anything will ever go X 86 mainstream.
Yeah.
This is asking about if risk five is ever going to go mainstream.
It could go mainstream.
Oh, Dan was muted.
Sorry guys.
My question is how long do you think it will take risk five hardware to go X 86 level mainstream?
I don't know that it will.
I think it will go mainstream.
I think there being other things that exist will limit it from being able to go to the
same level of mainstream, but in a different way.
I could see risk five being more of a competitor to arm.
Like we could see risk five you know, dominate low cost IOT devices.
We could see risk five move into the data center.
I don't know that arm is going to make it in, well, I mean, Apple's making it work,
but it's still niche.
I don't want to say never, but given how long it's taken arm, right.
And we could, we could, we could think that maybe the life cycle would happen faster,
but I, I, you know, I think we're, we're a long way away.
Hey, Linus and Luke, what piece of media or technology from your childhood were you nostalgic
for until you went back to it and realized it sucked pilot wings is not as good a game
as I thought it's good.
It's very basic.
There's, I think that's not that things were sucked, but they were definitely more basic
than I realized.
Like I was, turns out pretty easy to amuse as a kid.
I think the scale for things has changed a lot.
Like you can even see that with movies, like an explosion that was like huge and crazy
back in the day is like nothing compared to what they're throwing in modern Marvel stuff.
I don't know.
I feel like I've been pretty realistic with things like even with Morrowind, I was going
to say Morrowind, even with Morrowind, I've told people to not go back and play it.
Yeah, because like, but did you ever have a moment when you went back and realized it
sucked?
No.
No.
Okay.
So you always knew it.
I did go back.
Yeah.
I would go back to it and be like, yup.
These are all the reasons why this game aged really poorly.
Um, and it's just like, I still love it because I played it back then, but I think it's really
hard for people to get into now because it has a lot of these, uh, these, uh, rough points.
Uh, battle block theater was the title of the game I was talking about.
No, I think everything that I enjoyed as a kid is exactly as awesome as I thought it
was.
Even the album Aquarium by Aqua.
Yep.
I mean, that is just a good album.
It is a good album.
I will support you on that.
Actually an excellent album.
Yeah.
Okay.
Moving on from Egypt.
Uh, thank you for the quality content.
Have you ever thought on trying to somehow get your hands on an AWS is graviton processor?
I think it'd be interesting to see what the cloud vendors custom processor has to offer.
The thing is that unless we went out and wrote software for it, we wouldn't be able to do
anything with it.
Like, yeah, it would definitely be cool to just like take apart a graviton server, but
that would be, that'd be kind of it.
We wouldn't be able to talk about much more than the hardware and why it's really cool
and interesting that Amazon is building their own hardware.
Yeah, I don't know.
You want to build the float plane for graviton like, no, yeah, me neither.
Okay.
From an anonymous starting from the tiny production that you did, would you say that there was
a point where you looked around and it felt like things were going to be okay.
I still don't know if things are going to be okay.
Yeah.
Was there an increase in daily happiness, comfort that came with the stability?
It sounds like it's just been sad for years.
Well, not sad, but stressed.
Yeah.
I don't think that stopped.
But the more stability we have at the base of this organization, the more things we continue
to pile on top of it, right?
And then, you know, if we think of it like a, you know, if we think pyramid, like a,
like a corporate structure right at the top of that pile swaying in the slightest breeze
is me.
If anything goes catastrophically wrong, you know, it all comes tumbling down.
Probably not.
But the stability is constantly increasing.
But that doesn't stop me from, you know, seeing a day of viewership being down or store sales
being down and going, this could be it.
This could be the death spiral.
I feel like pretty much any business leader is going to feel that way because that type
of thinking is probably what got you to where you are.
That there is objectively very significantly more stability these days than there was at
the beginning.
I don't know.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Okay.
This one's more of a demand than a question from Oliver.
Pick an upcoming tech you are both most excited for.
We both have to be excited for it.
I think it's individual, but we will.
Let's make it, it has to be one we're both excited for.
AR?
I mean, yeah, but that's such an easy answer because we both have the memory of a sieve.
Yes.
So I just need it to tell me who I'm talking to.
It's highly important for both of us.
Yeah, like what their birthday is, what their interests are.
Yeah.
Yep.
Um, more RGB.
I think so.
No.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, better electric cars.
I think I'm kind of over it.
RGB?
Yeah.
I'm not going to lie.
I think I'm kind of done.
I don't know.
I think I set up recently, it was pretty cool.
It is pretty cool.
Yeah.
Like the kids like it.
Like I set up RGB strips, um, along the outside of the girl's bunk bed on each level.
So instead of having like a reading light, they just have an RGB strip that shines out
against the wall and like they love it.
It was fun to set that up for them.
That's cool.
I don't know.
Like it's, it's one of those things where it totally has its uses for sure, but it can
definitely be overdone.
Yeah.
You're both excited about more RGB?
I think we dodged the question.
We can move on.
Well, I think AR realistically, but I do agree that it's a bit, it's a bit easy for us cause
we both, yeah.
For the same reason.
Sure.
Uh, this is from Cosmo.
Hey Linus, uh, you mentioned that you won't review the Pimax VR headset because it doesn't
fit you.
I'm wondering if you would consider giving it to another member of your team to review.
I have a Pimax 5k and I'm absolutely loving it and want more people to know about it.
Um, yeah.
I mean, I guess nothing would prevent anyone else from reviewing a VR headset.
I have been the one who has done our VR reviews in the past, so no one else really has any
experience reviewing a VR headset.
You need a lot of context to review VR devices.
Um, I don't know.
I could just take another crack at it.
Maybe just suck it up princess and wear it.
It's fine.
It's yeah, it was fine other than being horribly uncomfortable for me, for my kingly nose here.
Grand deluxe, deluxe size special edition.
Okay, review is done.
Uh, we've got one from Quinton for Linus.
What technologies, if any, do you use as parenting tools, like 360 network level parental controls?
Yeah.
I use Google's family link and then I use Microsoft's vastly inferior windows parental
controls.
Mostly our systems in the house are unlocked and the kids can use them.
They're pretty good kids.
We haven't really had any problems with that yet.
I think that's about it.
Okay.
I got one here from Adam.
What's the coolest concept you've tried and failed to figure out how to make into a video?
Oh, I mean, man, I've wanted to do a redux of like whole room water cooling for a long
time and it just has not materialized.
I'm actually bringing up the, the, the doc right now.
The ideas doc.
I'm sure I can find some stuff.
I wonder if that's one of the like oldest still consistently used Google docs.
I think so.
Yeah.
Cause that's like very, very early Google docs and it's still being used.
The longest cable conversion is one that I want to do, like convert a signal as many
times as you can.
So you start with like a DisplayPort port on a computer and then you go to like HDMI
and you convert that to VGA and you convert that to like composite, convert that to component,
convert it back to HDMI, convert it back to DisplayPort and then like plug into a monitor.
It's just, it's like utterly pointless, you know, it's just because we can.
Sounds fun, but yeah, but like, does anyone really need to know?
Oh yeah, this is kind of a cool one.
Just like owning an EV kind of sucks and it was inspired by some difficulties that Brandon
had had with Tesla, that my in-laws had had with Tesla, that some of the other EV owners
here had had with their electric cars and just sort of talking about the challenges.
I think everyone talks about how amazing it is, but there are downsides.
I don't know.
There's so much stuff in here, man.
It's like, it's literally hundreds and hundreds of line items.
I had the idea of a series called, I can't believe they made this and it was just going
to be just like wild stuff and there's, there's a few kind of ideas that are in here for this.
I, oh, I want to do a replacement of like a motherboard socket show, you know, why it
costs a hundred dollars, even with all the appropriate tools.
If you bend the pins in your motherboard socket, like to get it replaced, there's just so much
stuff in there.
Okay.
From Eric, given how far LMG has come and all the milestones you didn't think it would
reach, has it made you predict and plan for the future in new ways?
Um, I don't actually, for all my doomsday prophesying, uh, I don't actually think it's
just going to disappear tomorrow anymore.
So I do plan for the future.
That's a big difference.
I think in the early days I was afraid to make multi-year investments because I didn't
believe that the company would necessarily still be there.
Uh, I think I, I think I put on a brave face, but we probably knew.
Yeah.
It was pretty.
Yeah.
Um, remember that job offer I got from, I think, Western Digital like shortly after
we started up and I was like, hmm, this might've been a good thing to just
take.
I'm glad I didn't.
This worked out great.
Yeah.
But it was not a guarantee at that point in time.
Yeah.
At least now you're not naming Drive Killers, but, um, I still remember when, and we're
still using it.
I, I, I'm not going to name the service, but there's a service that I bought a bunch of
credit for because it was on like some crazy, like word work.
Our company exists now and I was confident they were going to exist due to the people
that were behind it and I bought a bunch of credit in it for Floatplane and we're still
riding on that credit because it was such a ridiculous discount.
Oh, seriously?
Um, and I was so confident that we were going to like exist for a long time and I remember
thinking that and being like, this is different.
Especially because Floatplane's chances were a lot lower than LMG's at that time.
The discount was crazy though.
I've told you about this like way in the past.
Yeah.
I just don't want to go into specifics.
Okay.
Oh, this is cool.
Oh yeah.
No, no.
Go ahead.
Oh yeah.
Luke, I still got my word 97.
You signed for me at PAX East years ago.
Yes.
My question.
What's the weirdest slash coolest thing either one of you have signed for a fan?
P.S.
Beyond excited for labs and future engineering content.
I've had people have me sign body parts, but not like the ones you'd think.
Oh.
Like, you know, very few people ask tech bros to sign their breasts, for example.
You know, like, like your stereotypical.
I have.
Okay.
Well, that's, that's the difference between us, I guess.
Yeah.
I'd say I, I sign on a fair number of sandals, surprising number of sandals.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think there's been a lot of like, like cool things like people would bring
in like apart from their computer, I've always thought the GPU back plate was pretty sweet.
People would just bring in the back plate and they'd collect some signatures on it.
I thought that was pretty cool.
The word 97, like I, I literally, the second I read, I've still got my word 97.
I knew exactly who it was when it was from everything.
Cause that was pretty cool.
I like stuff like that, but yeah.
Oh, this one's terrifying.
Carol, what do you think of Google matter?
The new Google home connection standard?
I hope it succeeds as a single unified standard.
I have my doubts.
Maybe it doesn't even make it to the end of this year.
I don't know.
Look up a XKCD's standards comic.
No, for real though, this may not be that.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Cool.
All right.
It might, it might be good.
This is from Alejandro with EA confirming plans to create intrusive anti-treat root
kits, akin to Riot's Valorant.
What are your thoughts on companies expanding root kit development and potentially testing
gaming performance?
Seems like a really good time to start getting into the idea of partitions for gaming.
Oh, oh, interesting.
Yeah.
VMs create a lot of issues.
Yeah, they do.
Especially with things like cheat detection.
So yeah, partitions for gaming.
Get that boot speed down and start switching.
I like it.
We've actually got like 11 incoming merch messages, so maybe I'll blitz through these
real quick.
Yeah.
Have a look, see if any of those are interesting to you.
There's actually one, I think I'll read out here.
With the labs creating custom software and even hardware for testing, is there any plans
to make those tools public or open source?
We've actually got a video coming about this very soon.
We're going to be showing off our, our benchmarking tool named Mark, Mark bench.
That's pretty great.
Mark bench, the benchmark, and it's an automated tool for benchmarking games.
We're also going to add compatibility for productivity tools and right now it's fairly
rudimentary.
It is kind of just an automation tool with us, with a simple GUI that logs the data logs
data like frame times, thermals, power consumption, that sort of thing.
But over time we do want to make it significantly more robust and I would like to make it available
to the community for personal use and maybe we have commercial licensing available for
other outlets.
I don't know what that would look like.
There's a lot of questions to be answered, but yes, it is my desire to make it broadly
available.
There's a lot of confusion about my partitions comment.
I did not foresee this, but there is.
I don't mean like installing your games on another partition.
I mean, booting into like another operating system.
Like have, if you, if you just use windows, have another one installed is what I'm saying.
The only motorcycle I've ever owned is an SV650S Levi.
It's a 2003 and my dream motorcycle is that one painted pink.
To be clear.
I mean an additional windows.
So you could have, if you're a windows 11 person, you could have two windows 11s.
One installed on another drive or partition is another way that I should have said it.
So you could have two boot drives or could have a two boot partitions and you separate
things.
You separate all your personal stuff, all your important things, et cetera.
And then games.
So we do seem to be trending in that direction and I actually do genuinely think that's going
to be a decently good way to do it.
Okay.
Well, the problem is I still don't actually know if they time out, will they show if we
click show Luke, if they time out, cause you know, they have the 182nd timer or whatever.
Then they would go into the queue.
So they would show.
They would show.
So it works.
They're in the queue.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you can put them in the queue after they time out.
That's fine.
What's the purpose of the time out anymore then, you know, the timer, right?
The 182nd timer.
When they start coming.
I think it's supposed to automatically show if that happens.
That doesn't seem good.
Cause then stuff could slip through.
They will Conrad says they will, okay.
It should be in the doc.
It should be in the doc about the, about the messages.
Derp face Larry.
No, I did not see a who views garages video about towing with the F-150 lightning.
I saw that it existed.
I didn't actually watch the video, but it's a really good question.
Can EVs overcome their dependence on aerodynamics or get higher efficiency batteries to compensate?
So there's a whole thing right about the, with the energy density like of, of hydrocarbons
like gasoline, right?
It's really, really, really, really, really, really high.
Like it's actually amazing how much energy is stored in those bonds such that we can
so inefficiently extract it by literally just burning it.
And it, it, we're still able to accomplish so much with so little, I don't know that
Evie batteries will ever be able to achieve that kind of power to weight ratio.
And it may always be a challenge.
With that said, I think that for a lot of people, what they do with something like a
pickup truck can probably be handled by an Evie pickup.
And for those who need to actually haul a lot, there will be larger commercial vehicles
that will be designed for that.
Like Tesla semi, which hopefully is really good, but you know, who knows, right?
Yeah.
I, I have my doubts.
It's possible that we will be reliant on fossil fuels for quite a long time.
I just hope that we can reduce our use of them as much as possible.
Okay, sorry, Matthew S. No, we haven't really thought about working with a local high school
on the video or tech side.
I don't know what we would do with them.
Exactly.
Well, I mean, there was that time that we talked to my kid's school about like upgrading
their computer lab and they were basically like, yeah, they have to be max.
And I was like, okay, well, I don't really have any hookups for that.
Yeah.
So I guess you guys can just keep whatever you have now.
So that was something.
Are they all max right now?
That was a different school that my son was at before.
David Andre asks, what does LTT do to cover the energy usage of all the equipment that
you use?
Carbon credits, solar power for HQ and lab, curious after your home solar videos.
Nothing.
I mean, carbon credits are like pretty debatable whether they are actually helpful.
When even are they?
Basically you just buy like an ease, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a feel better thing.
Pretty much.
So if you pollute, you like buy feeling better by giving money to companies that are working
on like green initiatives or something like that.
Okay.
Yeah.
We're all hydropower here though.
Yeah.
BCs.
Something that I sleep pretty well knowing.
Yeah.
To be clear, hydropower is not perfect.
It has other issues, but once the dam is there, the milk is sort of spilled to a degree.
Um, yeah.
Let's just get through these last few.
Brandon R says, peace and love guys.
You mentioned a music producer PC wild.
Oh, good gravy.
Uh, yes.
We will do it eventually.
I'm so sorry.
Uh, Sam H. I got a new desk and was wondering when the cable management things would be
out.
Uh, sometime next year and Frankie F, do you plan on hiring anyone interested in the USA
or expanding to the USA?
No, I don't have any plans of expanding to the USA as a not American expanding to the
USA is a non trivial task.
We'd have to like incorporate in America and there's all kinds of legal implications with
all of that.
And I don't want to anonymous, but off topic, uh, what are the, what are the items, maybe
tech that you must have in your car?
I'm new to driving and want to be prepared.
What are your must haves?
Got your emergency blankets.
Got your first aid kit.
Got your tire pump.
Um, I've got a, uh, lighter to a 120 volt and USB adapter inverter.
Do dad.
Um, I like, I hoard napkins.
Always have a napkin hoard and, uh, some ketchup in my glove box.
Um, in BC, I think it's a decent idea to have those like strap on cleat things for your
shoes.
Um, they're, they're not very expensive and you can just throw them in your trunk and
forget about them until you need them and they'll be fine.
Um, some amount of, of, uh, stable food and water might not be for you.
Like that's something to think about with all of this stuff is it might not be for you.
Um, yeah, those jumper battery banks.
I have one of those in the van.
I don't have one in the vault.
Uh, flashlights.
Yeah.
Sunglasses.
Lots of good suggestions.
Tons of this stuff is you don't, you don't, even if you're like, oh, I just like drive
to work and back.
Like this is never going to be applicable again.
It might not be for you.
Maybe a, you need to help someone find their dog.
So having a flashlight so you can look around would be cool.
I don't know.
It's just things that would be a nice and helpful to have crampons, is that what it's
called?
Finally.
Travis asks, what are your favorite games to play with your S O um, why I picked up
overcooked again recently.
It's been pretty fun.
Whatever she wants to play is really what I'll take.
Yeah.
I'll accept that.
Yeah.
All right.
I think that's it for the show.
Thank you guys so much for watching.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Right?
Don't do the thing.
Okay.
Okay.
You can, I mean, you can do it, but not through there.
Just do it through here.
I don't know how to do that.
I already pushed it.
Oh, it's not doing it.
It's not doing it.
Do you have the server?
I push it again.
Let's make sure the server's working properly.
Oh, I think this is, did you set it up before the show?
I think so.
Yeah.
Here we go.
And the button, Hey, are you turning this off?
Is it still alive?
Oh Jesus.
Oh,