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Welcome to the land show, ladies and gentlemen.
We've got a fantastic show for you guys today.
Starting of course with AMD's upcoming AM5 CPU socket.
That's right.
No more AM1, AM2, AM3, or AM4.
We have now moved on to five.
And there's some questionable counting that got us here
because AM1 was never a thing.
And also there was AM2 plus in there
somewhere along the line, but those are minor details.
Those days are behind us.
In other news this week, Windows,
no, that's boring, boring, boring, boring.
You know what?
Let's talk about-
No, it's a great show.
Yeah, it's got a lot of great topics for you guys today.
We've got one, we've got one good topic.
We also have WinGet.
I want to talk about WinGet.
This is yet another Linux feature
that is making its way to Windows,
much to the bafflement of many Windows users
who just have never experienced such grace,
such seamless operation.
Okay, we don't need to talk about that.
Yeah, we're gonna talk about it later, Luke.
Later.
16 gigs of RAM is not enough, okay?
It's not enough.
We've moved on.
That was a spec that we used years ago
as the suggested amount of RAM.
It's not enough.
It's also not enough in iPads anymore, okay?
It's not enough in anything.
16 gigs is not enough for an iPad?
Figure it out.
Didn't they just get 16 gigs?
Yeah, maybe.
Okay, what else do we got?
Maybe they don't know what they're doing over there, okay?
Also, I want to go over this one.
Amazon to install meditation kiosks in their warehouses.
Okay. Nice.
Okay, so, okay.
Luke is actually hearing about this for the first time.
There's actually been one new development since then
that I am aware of.
I believe they have removed the tweet
and the video talking about this.
I'm sure we can still get access to it though.
It's a doozy.
It's a doozy.
We're gonna talk about it.
Let's roll that intro.
Okay, sounds good.
Yeah, it's exactly as bad as you think it is.
It sounds like it.
Just the naming of things is so amazing.
Yeah, it's like how do you manage to be a company this size
with this many smart people working there
and just have absolutely no idea whatsoever?
I just can't even,
I can't even begin to describe the out of touchness.
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And let's go ahead and jump right into the big news.
Man, do you remember when it was Intel CPU launches
that were exciting?
Yeah, do you also remember when CPUs weren't like
absolute massive chungus?
I was actually expecting you to say no
because it's been a while.
Oh, well, I mean, that's true.
It's yeah, it's been such a weird flip.
Remember the 2,600 K, you know what I mean?
Yeah, well, okay, if you look back at
when you and I started working together,
which was a long time ago at this point.
Over 10 years now.
We have flipped from all Intel news to all AMD news.
Basically.
It's been such a long time.
You'd think that at least some point in there,
it would essentially be a time where it was like
really notably both.
And we had a little bit of that crossover here or there,
but it's pretty much just been all Intel news
or all AMD news.
Yeah.
Which is really weird.
Yeah, we're in the AMD era.
And this is according to a leak from executable fix,
who apparently has a pretty good track record
with AMD leaks that the upcoming AMD AM5 socket
will be LGA 1718.
So this will be similar to most Intel
and all of AMD's Threadripper processors
in that instead of using pins on the bottom of the CPU
and then little holes in the socket on the motherboard,
it's going to use pads on the CPU
and then a land grid array of pins
in the motherboard itself.
So we've actually got a display capture.
This image is from at exufix.
Oopsie daisies.
Oh no.
Oh, now I've moved other things.
Oh, that's okay.
There we go.
Supposedly this is what AM5 Raphael will look like
from the bottom.
That's right.
You're seeing it here first,
unless you follow at XQXCQ fix on Twitter.
That's all 1718 pins.
Now let's talk about what exactly Raphael is going to be.
Basically we are expecting support for DDR4 and 5.
So this is apparently going to be
a backwards compatible platform,
which is something we have actually seen before.
I'm trying to remember the last time it would have been,
I mean, a mobile it's really common
to see support for DDR3 or DDR4,
especially when low power DDR3 was a thing
and low power DDR4 wasn't a thing yet.
You saw a lot of ultra books
that were still using low power DDR3,
but I'm trying to remember the last time
this was a significant feature on desktop.
The only time I specifically remember it,
and I wouldn't be surprised at all
if it happened again after this,
but I remember the DDR3, DDR2 mix boards.
There was quite a few of those.
That was definitely a big thing.
So JWLELE, no idea how to pronounce that,
over on Floatplane says AM3 supported DDR3 and DDR2.
Yep, that's correct.
So there wasn't really much
of a compelling performance difference
on that platform between DDR2 and DDR3.
And I remember that there was a lot of discussion
around whether you should spend the extra on DDR3
at that time.
There were even boards that, like you said, Luke,
had support for both DDR2 and DDR3.
In fact, I remember this really amazing ASRock board
way back in the day.
Oh man, what was that thing called?
DDR1, DDR2.
I think I had support for DDR1 and DDR2.
Nah, this isn't the one I'm thinking of,
but this is definitely a really cool board
that did happen to have support for both DDR1 and DDR2.
The 775 Dual Vista.
Now this was, as you guys might've guessed,
around the time of Windows Vista.
And I guess this is one of those,
one of those kind of weird marketing moves,
kind of like AMD and their Athlon XPs
around the time of Windows XP.
You know, hey, yeah, it's like, it's great for Vista.
And this is a really cool board
because it's got support for DDR1 and DDR2 memory.
And then even more interestingly,
it's got support for AGP and PCI Express.
So the idea was that you could go Core 2 Duo.
So this was just such a leap forward
in CPU performance at that time.
You could go Core 2 Duo,
but while only investing in a new CPU cooler,
if I recall correctly, no.
Yeah, if you were already Intel,
I don't believe you needed a new cooler.
So new CPU, new motherboard, that's it.
You carry forward your RAM, you carry forward
your graphics card, and you can update them at your leisure.
And as long as you weren't heavy into overclocking,
it was probably fine.
Technically it had overclocking features,
but it wasn't great.
The one I was actually thinking of
that I daily drove is this one.
Yeah, this one.
So sorry, this one was not actually a DDR2 and DDR1 board.
This was only DDR1, but this thing was super neat
in that it had PCI Express and AGP as well.
So there you go, there's your brown AGP slot
as well as your PCI Express slot.
And then it also had this crazy chungus yellow slot here
that allowed you to go from socket,
was it socket 754 to 939 or something like that?
I can't remember what this stupid thing did.
Oh, future CPU port, that's right, they didn't know
because they had actually done a previous board
where you went from 754 to 939, that wasn't this one.
Although, you know what?
This doesn't actually seem quite right either
because the one that I had was actually
like quite overclockable.
Oh man, it doesn't matter.
The point is I have gotten off the rails a little bit here.
AM5 is gonna have support for DDR4 and 5
along with PCI Express Gen 5.
That is freaking crazy to think about.
Like wrap your brain around this, Luke.
Not that long ago, I was working in a computer store, okay?
Selling PCI Express Gen 1 motherboards.
It's been a while.
Luke, okay, so I was in the computer store.
Oh man, hold on a second.
Let me just try to think.
I would shop from your computer store.
Okay, okay, this was the kind of motherboard, okay,
that I was selling in the computer store at that time.
This is the A8N32 SLI.
Oh no, that's not the Deluxe, whatever.
It's the A8N32 SLI.
They were right around the same time.
This is a PCI Express 16X slot.
That was the state of the freaking art at the time.
And you would put your super high powered,
you know, what would that have been around that time?
Like 8800 GTX, no, not even.
Holy crap, it was pre that.
This is like 6800, like 7800 era.
Wow, okay, it was a while ago.
And that was all the bandwidth
you could possibly imagine needing
even for a high-end graphics card.
There were even questions at the time
about whether we even needed PCI Express
because AGP was more than enough
for even the highest end graphics cards.
Now, since then, we have doubled our PCI Express bandwidth
one, two, three, four times.
So what that means is,
hold on generations.
Let's have a look at what the actual numbers
work out to here.
So that first generation per link
was about 250 megabytes per second.
So 16 links would have been,
oh man, I need my calculator.
Would have been about four, no, sorry, excuse me.
16 would have been about eight gigabytes a second.
All right, so now moving on to PCI Express 5.
Let's have a look at a motherboard again.
Here we go, pulling up my screen.
Na na na, here we go, let's pull up that board again.
So now, oh crap, this doesn't even have
any PCI Express 1X slots.
Oh, that makes my point very, very challenging to make.
I need a board with PCI Express 1X slots, motherboard.
I swear to you guys, I'm gonna get there.
This is the problem with doing these things live.
There we go.
That right down there,
are you kidding me?
Okay, there we go.
That little tiny thing down there on the bottom,
that now has half of the bandwidth,
or will with PCI Express Gen 5,
half of the bandwidth of what used to be
a full-sized PCI Express 16X slot.
So you could theoretically take one of those
get like graphics cards from back then,
plug it into this dinky little tiny slot,
and you would get absolutely the full performance
that it was capable of.
And yes, modern GPUs quite a bit faster,
but have we even fully begun to take advantage
of PCI Express Gen 4?
Not freaking likely.
With that said, there's a lot of benefits
to having much, much faster PCI Express.
Like GPUs aren't the only thing that needs to have
a ton of bandwidth allocated to it anymore.
Nowadays, the IO on a motherboard is crazy.
Like every time you wanna put a USB,
10 gigabit per second port on your motherboards,
like, okay, yeah, that's a gigabyte per second.
And I'm rounding obviously,
but that's a freaking lot of bandwidth.
So if you wanna have an entire back panel
of your motherboard that's covered in these ports,
like, oh yeah, okay.
Now all of a sudden being able to go much,
much faster per lane is gonna make a huge difference.
Also in the server space, getting boring now,
being able to split these PCI Express lanes out
so you could actually take even modern graphics cards
and go, okay, yeah, we've got 16 lanes,
which we could use for a single 16X slot,
or we could take those 16 lanes, split them out,
be running compute on 16 different GPUs
that are all connected to it,
or realistically actually a lot more than that
with PCI Express switching
and get just unheard of connectivity and performance
out of these next generation CPUs.
So super exciting PCI Express Gen 5,
is it gonna make your graphics card
in your gaming rig faster?
Yeah, no, not really.
But does it have a lot of potential?
Absolutely, there's gonna be some challenges though.
Tom's Hardware spoke with Microchip,
which develops PCI Express Gen 5 switches,
and the company told them that Gen 5's requirements
will be even more arduous for motherboard manufacturers,
likely increasing cost,
even more than what the industry had to absorb
in the move to Gen 4, which was pretty significant.
There were cases where we even saw motherboards
in the server space, not necessarily in the consumer space,
where they would have the same basic motherboard,
but one of them was Gen 4 capable
because it meant much thicker traces,
and one of them was, and in some cases,
I believe more PCB layers,
and then one that was just Gen 3 capable
if you didn't need it,
and it would just run at a slower speed
for the PCI Express lanes,
but that would be less expensive.
Hmm, now this is interesting.
Oh, wait, what the hell is going on?
Which is intended Intel's,
okay, I completely read this wrong.
I need to stop doing this show live.
Can I rewind, Luke?
This is a little embarrassing
because AMD apparently is not moving forward with Gen 5
on the upcoming Ryzen platform.
It is Intel's Alder Lake
that is expected to have PCI Express Gen 5 support.
So yeah, well, all right,
I guess I'm excited for Alder Lake,
but also not because it's gonna make your GPU any faster.
Oh, and another thing it's probably
not gonna make any faster is your SSD.
So the move to Gen 4 even for consumer SSDs
has been mostly a marketing one.
So yes, you can actually buy SSDs today
that have really gigantic numbers on the box.
Like if you buy a Samsung 980 Pro, for example,
it's gonna have this massive seven gigabyte per second,
you know, number advertised on the outside of the box.
But the reality of it is as drive capacities go up,
the only way that manufacturers are able to achieve that
in a cost-effective manner is by using NAND flash
that stores more and more bits per cell.
And when you store more bits per cell,
you get more capacity for a given NAND module,
but what you're, excuse me, for a given NAND package,
but what you are missing out on is write endurance
and in particular write performance.
So while you're gonna have these drives
that are able to saturate your PCI Express Gen 4 link,
and I would be amazed if you don't see manufacturers
pushing the limits so that you can saturate
your Gen 5 by 4 link, as soon as you actually write to it
for a sustained amount of time,
you are going to start to see that performance,
not just trail off, but fall off a cliff
because the NAND flash just can't keep up.
And even high performance drives,
like the 980 Pro is TLC now, if I recall correctly,
although Samsung doesn't actually market it that way.
Yeah, 3-bit TLC versus the 2-bit NLC
of the previous generation.
So yeah, it's cool, but I don't know,
probably not going to be a game changer,
at least for consumers.
Well, yeah, a lot of this just smells like
they're just trying to be ready.
They might end up using this socket for a while, right?
So we'll see.
Yeah, that's true.
And I mean, a big part of it too is
a lot of the research and development that you do
for your server platform will often end up
in your workstation platform,
which ends up in your consumer platform.
And in some cases, even vice versa,
it's sort of whatever's driving R&D forward.
It's not like you're going to go ahead
and throw that work away because,
oh, well, the smelly workstation division did that,
so we simply won't use this technology in the server space.
I mean, if anything, the cost to develop this stuff
is so astronomically high,
you want to reuse as much as possible wherever you can.
I mean, a perfect example of that is the LGA 11 series,
like the, you know the consumer-sized Xeon chips
that Intel makes, where the only major difference
is that they've got a couple of switches flipped in them,
so they support ECC and something else, I can't remember.
They're the exact same silicon
because the cost is so much lower to develop that once
and then flip around some switches,
so these guys pay a bit more and these guys pay a bit less,
and hopefully your margins land somewhere
right in the middle compared to actually developing
completely discrete dies
to go into completely separate product lines.
So for those of you not familiar,
the move to an LGA rather than a PGA socket
is going to have an impact.
It means that you'll be less likely to drop a CPU
and knock a pin off of it or bend it, which is good.
It also means you're-
Or have to painstakingly try to repair it.
Yeah, yeah, that was fun.
It means you're less likely to accidentally pull the CPU
out of the socket if your thermal compound
kind of suctions it on there,
but it also means that your motherboard
is going to be much, much easier to damage as well.
Now, this is interesting.
Jake put in this topic and he says,
in my experience, it's usually easier to repair pins
on a motherboard than a CPU
because there's less chance of breaking a pin off
and it's less likely they'll get damaged in the first place.
That's actually a strong disagree from me.
My experience is quite different.
I don't have trouble repairing CPU pins
compared to repairing motherboard pins
because I find the way the motherboard pins work
is they're kind of bent in like a comere
and then like a third thing.
They've got like kind of these two bends to them
and the very end is extremely fine.
Like it's an extremely thin bit of metal.
And so you can actually break the little ball
on the end off quite easily if you spend a while
trying to kind of bend it back and forth.
Now I've had situations where I've had one joint missing
off of the little finger
and I've managed to just wrench what remained
kind of out and up high enough to make contact
with the pad on the bottom of the CPU.
But it's not something that I would prefer
and it's not something that I would recommend.
And I also just find all the little bends and stuff
a lot more distracting to look at
and it's a lot harder to tell
if I've got it aligned perfectly
because with a pin all you have to do
is align it in X and Y, right?
But in the socket you have to do X, Y and Z.
You have to make sure you have it at the right height
or you're not gonna have enough pressure
once the CPU is secured into the socket
by the hold down clip.
So I can't say I've shared Jake's experience
but that doesn't invalidate his experience.
All it means is that your mileage may vary.
I was gonna say, especially to try to defend Jake here,
I think from his experience,
he's probably mostly deals
with just like lightly smushed socket pins.
Right.
And in those situations, it's pretty easy to fix.
But having dealt with a lot of damaged CPUs in my time,
it's also been pretty easy to do the old,
like just run the credit card down the lane thing.
Yeah.
And it just, or whatever type of thin material you have
that's solid, just run it in between a few times
and everything will kind of straighten up nicely.
And those are usually the problems that you have CPU pins.
We don't usually run into the situation we did
where an entire pin is just off.
What I have mostly seen is things are just bent a bit
cause it was like improperly stored or whatever.
You kind of bend them back pretty easily.
And don't forget about the classic mechanical pencil trick
with pins on the bottom of a CPU.
So you just slide that puppy on there,
straighten it out and boom.
Oh, yeah.
I really don't find it that challenging.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's a lot of like pretty simple tricks with CPU pins.
I still like the idea of LGA, but yeah.
Yeah. I don't know.
Experience may differ.
All right.
Our next topic is Facebook sues India.
What does that even mean?
Yeah. A bit weird.
On Wednesday, Facebook owned WhatsApp sued
the Indian government challenging new regulations
that it said could allow authorities
to make people's private messages traceable
and conduct mass surveillance.
That is only for Facebook to do, not the Indian government.
Yeah. And the Indian government,
they gotta be sitting here going like,
oh no, almost to no, we're being sued by Facebook.
That is definitely the largest of our problems right now.
We don't have any other issues
currently plaguing our country.
That's okay.
You're just farming for puns now.
They're also having a lot of issues with their farmers
just because you didn't get that joke.
Among the new rules are requirements
that big social firms only see in citizens.
Just to clarify, hold on.
Actually, I wanna clarify for a second.
India is not having issues with their farmers.
Their farmers are taking issue
with what the Indian government is doing.
So- That's a much better way of saying it.
That's an important distinction.
And farmers, in case you guys didn't know,
are very important.
Oh yeah.
Because without farmers-
Eating things is pretty key to survival.
Yeah, you need food.
And last time I checked,
you are a soft, worthless millennial or Gen Z,
incapable of dirtying your hands
to farm your own food in your backyard.
Also, a separate problem
is that there's two entire generations of people
that cannot afford a backyard,
but that's a whole separate conversation to get into.
And therefore, no ability to gain that experience
or learn how despite lots actually really wanting to,
and certain apartment complexes being pushed
into adding green plots
so people can have small gardens
so they can learn those skills.
Sorry, continue.
Yeah, the point is farms are good.
And the food that comes off of them is good.
Carry on, Luke.
All right.
Among the new rules are requirements
that big social media firms appoint Indian citizens
to key compliance roles,
remove content within 36 hours of a legal order,
and set up a mechanism to respond to complaints.
They must also use automated processes
to take down avoiding word for demonetization reasons.
If I wasn't wearing these things
and was on video doing stuff with other people.
I actually have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, I don't want to say this
because this is a demonetization word.
What, pornography?
That's a demonetization word.
You just did it.
Oh, well, I guess we're stuck with it now.
Rip, okay, moving on.
The case asked the Delhi High Court to declare
that one of the new IT rules is a violation
of privacy rights in India's constitution
since it requires social media companies
to identify the first originator of information
when authorities demand it.
And people familiar with the lawsuit told this to Reuters.
Reuters.
Reuters, yeah, right.
Reuters is that other thing.
Yeah, this is long and stuff,
but I guess Facebook in an odd move
is trying to protect data.
Yeah, so they're basically saying
that because their messages are encrypted end to end,
it would have to break encryption for receivers of messages
as well as the originators
in order to comply with the new law.
Oh man, see, that's really challenging
because I also can understand
that aside from conducting mass surveillance,
I can also understand why with some of the problems
that they've had with misinformation spreading
on WhatsApp in India,
that the Indian government might care
about knowing where exactly these messages are originating.
People have literally died
because of misinformation spreading on WhatsApp in India.
Overly, probably, if we're being honest.
Yes.
Yeah, it's funky
because there's also the other problem where like,
okay, if they can't do their encryption stuff
that they're currently doing,
even if they're just adding a key for the Indian government,
anytime, this is something that I think governments globally
have a really hard time understanding.
Anytime you add a key,
you aren't necessarily giving that key to everyone,
but that key is somehow available now.
It exists, which is better,
which is, sorry, worse than a key that does not exist.
Exactly.
So you're not necessarily just handing it out to everyone,
but there is now potential that somehow it could be taken.
And whenever that is a reality,
it is often found that eventually that key is taken.
There is lots of governments
that have a big issue understanding this
because they're like, no, I want access to the stuff.
You don't have to give it to other people,
but you have to give it to me.
And it's like, okay, well that ends up giving it to everyone
because you see the amount of breaches.
I mean, didn't Canada Post
just have like a 900,000 person data breach or something?
I'm not sure, I didn't see that one.
At this point, everyone's just numb to it.
This stuff happens all the time.
This gets really challenging too,
because if I'm Facebook or I'm Twitter,
on the one hand, I can understand a legitimate use
for this kind of oversight.
But on the other hand, it's not like India's ruling party
has a great track record
for as far as disinformation is concerned themselves.
So do I really wanna hand the keys to the castle
on the premise that they're trying to make sure
that pornography and disinformation
can be dealt with?
Do I really wanna hand the keys to the castle
over to a party that is probably going to abuse it?
And once I do that, does it open up the flood gates
for other jurisdictions to ask for the same thing?
Because the thing is like if I'm Facebook or I'm India
and I wanna operate according to the law,
that means I need to operate according to the law
in every country that I operate in.
So another great example of a company
seemingly absolutely kowtowing to a local government
in order to have the right to operate there is Apple.
Did you see the news, Luke,
about I think it just finished being built,
but Apple now has a massive data center in China
that like literally has like living complexes around it
for all the people that need to staff this thing.
And basically in order for them to keep operating in China,
the Chinese government said,
all your Chinese user data must be stored in China.
And as soon as it's in China with,
and the data center was built in collaboration
with a CCP-linked entity,
as soon as it's in China and staff from this,
I forget what the name of the organization is,
but staff from there have physical access to the servers,
effectively Apple who spends a lot of their time
talking about the importance of user privacy
and user data security has handed over the data
of all of their Chinese customers
to the Chinese government effectively.
Now we don't know that the CCP has actually exercised
their ability to get access to this data.
But what we do know is that once you have physical access
to a data center, it's just a matter of like,
when you feel like taking it,
it's not a matter of whether that data is protected at all.
It's not at that point.
So-
Unless it's also inaccessible
to the people that own the data center,
but that's like, that's the only, yeah.
So there's lots of concern, right?
So back to my point about how,
if you wanna operate in a given territory,
you are going to have to comply
with the laws of that territory.
And so what will happen is if Facebook ultimately gives in
to the Indian government and does this,
then other governments are gonna see that and go,
oh, wow, it's that easy.
We just have to like change our law to make it so that,
what is the wording?
Any significant social media intermediary,
so they're defining it as a firm
with over 5 million registered users,
has to abide by these rules.
We've actually been going through a similar conversation
with YouTube over the last little while
regarding the Canadian bill C10,
which is targeting, well, really media platforms,
like Netflix, for example,
making sure that they're adhering
to the same Canadian culture preservation laws
that traditional broadcasters have had to for decades.
You know, you have to show X amount of Canadian content
alongside international content.
You have to have Y amount of French content,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And they're now taking those same rules
and they're targeting online streaming platforms.
And they recently revised the scope
to include user-generated content platforms like YouTube.
So Google's having a little freak out.
And part of it is that they, I mean, okay,
they haven't said this, but I'm sure part of it is that
in order to show a quota of Canadian content,
they would have to change their algorithm
and also expose their algorithm to scrutiny from outsiders
to make sure that it's actually doing
what they say it's doing.
It would be a lot of development work.
They hate sharing the internal workings
of how suggested recommended videos work on YouTube.
And then the bigger concern,
I suspect from Google's point of view,
is that as soon as the Canadian government
gets this through, other countries,
much the same as we're talking about here,
are gonna look at that and go,
oh, yeah, I want that too.
Yeah, why don't we have control over,
what Google is serving to our citizens?
And there's a lot of regimes in the world
that I would be a lot more concerned
than the Canadian government,
though they've hardly had a perfect track record of late,
but there's a lot of regimes in the world
that I would be even more concerned about having control
over what can and can't be transmitted over social media.
I mean, it really feels like we're coming to a point
where the free and open internet
is being assaulted from all sides.
And even the ones that like Apple
sort of talk a lot about user privacy
and user security first,
ultimately have demonstrated that when push comes to shove,
making sure that they can put iPhones
in the hands of Chinese consumers
is more important than actually safeguarding their data.
And I'm only singling out Apple
because they're in the news about this massive data center
that they basically collaborated
with the Chinese government on.
That's the only reason I'm picking on them.
Don't imagine that I imagine that Google or Facebook
or Microsoft or Amazon is ultimately going to behave
any differently until I see proof otherwise.
Yeah, I mean, a precedent for a lot of those companies
has been set already that they wouldn't.
So yeah, anyways, moving on, I think.
Oh, interesting.
Yaks Huang in the float plane chat says,
three years ago, I got a message saying
that my iCloud account was subject to move to China.
I was staying in China at that time, I'm Canadian.
I sent a very threatening email to Apple's support
and CEO's office and they apologized
in an email very carefully.
Yeah, that sounds like the kind of thing
that you would want to be extremely careful
about how you apologize.
Because if you apologize to this Canadian customer
too profusely because it was unthinkable
for us to move your data to China.
Well-
That's offensive to, yeah.
Chinese customers, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, okay.
Jamal Taylor says, yeah, walking away from a billion
or multi-billion person market isn't something
you can just say, screw it and do.
I mean, it is something you can do
because even though India and China
have two and a half billion between them,
almost 3 billion, I think,
between the two of them at this point,
there's still billions and billions of customers
outside of those places that you could still work with.
So that is an option.
Whether it's a great option for your shareholders
who you are beholden to
is a completely separate conversation.
Yeah.
Yeah, so actually, okay, so in summary,
actually in fairness, Facebook's opposition
to the Indian government seems to be on the surface anyway,
mostly about the good of the people
and the privacy of the people.
So, hey, maybe there's some hope.
Maybe Mark has enough now
and his Hawaiian island is enough
and he doesn't need more money.
I don't know about that.
Yeah, I don't know about that either.
I don't know about that.
Can I just think positive, please?
Sorry?
Can I just think positive, please?
No, no, no, no.
Why?
Straight to jail.
I do wonder what the Zuck's landownings
are gonna look like by the time he's done.
I know, right?
I know.
It seems like Bezos is in the super mega yacht
ultra villain route of like half a billion dollar yachts.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
So he wants the floating land.
Yeah.
His yacht has a mini yacht
and that mini yacht has a helicopter platform
because it's so freaking big.
Yeah, I got a kick out of that.
It's for his girlfriend because she's into helicopters.
Yeah, so you know, might as well include that.
And then the Zuck is going traditional, you know?
Just straight up lands.
Straight up evil villain lair on an island.
The country that you currently reside in
won't let you just run it and do whatever you want.
Well, that's not fair.
Just buy your own.
Easy.
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So that's funny they mentioned sort of computers in school
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I really enjoyed Math Circus.
That was one of my favorite games, right?
Wasn't Math Circus amazing?
And then probably the first like true game that I played was,
well, this is the, oh man,
I should say this is the earliest I remember
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And then the first like real game that I played
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Yeah, honestly, I think the main story that I like telling
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Oh, I just got signed out of Google docs.
Thank you so much for that.
Hold on, I'm gonna go get that charger.
But first-
Do you want me to go through the points for it?
No, no, I want to show you guys this.
So this is a streamer gamer, Zach.
I have no idea if this guy's a good streamer
or a bad streamer, but what I do know is that
he is playing Dino Park Tycoon.
So this is what it looked like.
These are all the different kinds of fences
you can get for your dinosaurs.
You can see he's gone mega baller
and got in a chain link fence for one of his dinosaurs.
This was pretty much the entire park.
Like it's a little bit bigger than this,
but there's your ledger.
The thing about this game is that there was basically
no way to have any kind of impact
on the success or failure of your park.
You just kind of did stuff and people would kind of
come to the park or not come to the park.
And it just didn't really matter what you did.
One thing that I remember about it,
it's possible that I was just a kid and bad at video games,
but it's also possible that it just was not
a very well done game.
All right, do you want to start another topic
while I go and grab that thing?
Sure, there's a few exciting things in here
that I want to go over together, unfortunately,
but I'll choose this one.
It's kind of, you know, this is going to be exciting
for some people for sure.
Some of you won't care, some of you think it's amazing.
I think I'm kind of somewhere in the middle.
There's a huge upgrade coming to USB-C.
It's going to be USB-C 2.1.
Its power delivery is more than doubling
from 100 Watts to 240 Watts.
You might be wondering what that means for you.
That's enough to power 4K monitors
and some gaming laptops among other devices.
So hopefully those massive brick cables
for your gaming laptops with these crazy,
cords might be able to be replaced with USB-C
and some of your monitors might be able to be plugged
in that way as well.
The more devices that adopt this,
I think USB-C is already like nicely here.
There's enough things that I use every day
that I'm like very actively using USB-C,
but the more things that adopt it,
especially in this way, it's exciting.
It is called extended power range or EPR.
There will be specific icons to label
if USB-C is capable of it.
If USB-C is capable of EPR, sorry,
I might've said EBR, I meant EPR.
There will be symbols labeling
if it is capable of EPR or not,
which of course is going to be confusing for some people,
but hopefully it'll be good enough.
There is worry of arcing when plugging and unplugging
devices that makes sense.
Arcing can occur when the connector is unplugged
if the voltage differential between the plug
and the receptacle Vbus is greater than 12 volts.
USB Implementers Forum has given suggestions
to manufacture on how to mitigate the arcing.
Low power USB-C cables will soon be called
standard power range or SPR.
These will max out at 60 watts at three amps.
100 watt, five amp cables we use today will be phased out
and you'll either have SPR, standard, or EPR extended.
Luckily you should be unable to fry any of your electronics
if you plug the wrong cable into the wrong device
due to just digital handshakes.
Oh, well that sounds pretty exciting.
240 freaking watts.
And you can plug it into one of these.
Hey, remember that sponsor that we had?
This is a 65 watt charger.
Look how small that is.
It looks like a normal sized charger in my tiny baby hands.
I can't see it, but I can imagine it.
Excuse me, oh, sorry.
Here's Luke's camera.
There we go.
See, it's small.
Do you not have the Discord chat window up?
It's not working.
I don't have a feed from you.
Oh, all right, well, that's a shame.
It's all good.
All right, what else we got?
Oh, look at that.
We've got a new shirt on LTT store.
Wow, look at this.
Hey, we did a new hard drive.
We did a new hard drive shirt design.
That's so cool.
And it's reflective.
It's reflective in the dark, ladies and gentlemen.
Look at this guy.
He's wearing it.
Look at this other different guy.
He's gonna wear it too.
Hey, one of those guys.
That gal.
And this guy.
Look at that gal again.
Hey, we saw this guy already.
What's going on here?
So you guys can check that out on lttstore.com.
I do feel like there's possibly no one
that does as many product images as you guys do.
Which is good.
I'm not like, that's not a bad thing.
Well, we have fun with it.
We have fun here.
And it's also nice to just see it
in a lot of different scenarios.
Like tons of shirts that you buy,
it'll just be like, oh, it's that,
they have that generic photo
and they just Photoshop the logo on the shirt again.
It's like, I don't know.
Nah, dog, that's lame.
Yeah, I agree.
That sucks.
Yep.
All right.
Let's talk about WinGet.
Can we talk about WinGet now?
Sure.
All right.
So the original source for this here,
okay, perfect.
I can display share.
The original source for this here one
is Wolframatic Alpha over on the forum.
And the summary is,
Microsoft has released its first stable version
of a package manager called WinGet.
Now package managers are no new thing
and not even a new thing to Windows users,
which I actually learned.
So that was new to me.
I had never heard of chocolatey.
But an official Microsoft package manager,
like akin to what you have on Linux, for example,
is pretty freaking new.
So WinGet has multiple commands,
including install, search, uninstall, and upgrade,
and is the second Microsoft provided way
to install software.
This raises some real questions
about the future of the Windows store
since it completely bypasses it.
So Luke, as-
Okay, sorry, keep going.
As the better versed in Linux between the two of us,
why don't you answer for me the question that,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
Here it is.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Where is it?
Ah, yes.
Jtalk4456 asked,
okay, for a Windows junkie like myself,
can you please explain the concept of a package manager?
Honestly, this sounds more complicated than just installing
a program to me.
Why do I wanna go into the command line interface
just to install something?
You probably don't.
Okay, well, that's a good beginning to the answer,
but also why does anyone care about this?
Tell me.
It's nice for really advanced users
because you can do things in batches.
You can verify the source that it's coming from
really easily.
Yep.
I especially like it when you're working
on a multitude of computers
because you can parallelize things.
You can script one thing to run it
on a bunch of different devices or computers at once.
It's nice for a lot of the same reasons
that almost anything in command line is nice for.
And it's just as not great as a lot of things
that you do command line with are just as not great for.
Like if you've never heard of this
and you're really not into that type of thing
and you don't spend any time in command line, et cetera,
this probably isn't for you and that's okay.
And this, I also don't think this is going
to completely supersede the Windows Store
for the exact same reason.
It will supersede the Windows Store in certain ways,
which I think is fantastic
because the Windows Store is junk.
It's so bad.
It's amazing how bad it is.
It's terrible.
So it's gonna be really, really nice
that you can just not use it,
especially if you're a power user.
And that's great.
A big benefit, go ahead.
There's some really nice things about this.
It's going to make life easier for some people.
It's especially gonna make life easier
for setting up new systems.
Creating custom ISOs was like this really big thing.
It's gonna be a lot easier.
You can just run like a batch
and have this just do everything for you.
But for the average user, I think this will change nothing,
which is completely fine to be very clear, but yeah.
I was saying before the show, one more thing I can add.
I was saying before the show,
this is an extremely non-Balmer's Microsoft move
because this does create a workaround
for a piece of software that Microsoft already has,
which is something that would have never flown back then.
This feels much more like a modern Microsoft move
and I like it.
It's gonna make life notably easier for certain people.
It just isn't gonna do much for most people,
which is completely fine.
Yeah.
Okay, well, I actually updated Windows
right before the show.
I don't seem to have it unless there's a,
oh no, you have to install it.
It's included in the preview version of Windows though.
I think I'm in the preview version.
Can you really access, submit your request,
blah, blah, blah, okay.
Well, whatever, I apparently do not have it yet.
I just checked.
I wanted to do kind of a quick demo
of how something like this can actually save time
compared to a more traditional way of installing on Windows.
So you might think, oh, well, gee,
why would I wanna go into command line
in order to install a program?
Well, the reason is that it could actually be a lot faster.
If all you have to do is click the Windows icon
or press your Windows button, type CMD,
that puts you in the command prompt
and then go just win get, install Firefox.
And then the whole thing just happens.
No next, directory, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Just none of that.
It just installs Firefox.
That is actually potentially faster
assuming that you don't like hunt and type on your keyboard.
I will agree with that.
I will also bring up the SAM in full point shots
that don't forget it'll make upgrades,
or sorry, updates much easier for apps.
To you, Linus, and to him, I say not necessarily.
My only reason for that is for you, this is probably true.
For the vast, I'd say probably over 90% of Windows users,
that's not true.
Because it's just not easier
and they're just not gonna do that.
Because anytime you have to open command line,
they're just gonna freak out.
That's fair.
So yeah, I would again go back to like this.
This is not going to be a thing at all
for the vast majority of Windows users.
That doesn't mean it's not cool.
It's really cool.
I'm stoked.
It's great.
Awesome.
But yeah.
We've got some people.
T. Clark says WinGet just downloads installers
and uninstallers.
That doesn't sound right.
I'm definitely gonna have to try it.
So I consider this, I don't have it.
It comes from ignorance,
but it sounds definitely better
than using the Windows store or the Microsoft store
because I don't think anything could actually be worse
than that.
It's kind of amazing to me that the same company
that makes the Xbox marketplace on Xbox.
Looking at the docs.microsoft.com article on WinGet,
it doesn't look like it's just downloading the installer.
It literally says it's installing things.
Okay, perfect.
So I mean, I haven't used it.
Linus hasn't used it.
Take this for what it is.
But yeah.
In other Windows news, we've got Windows 10 2 coming.
There's gonna be a next generation Windows
arriving in fall 2021.
And it was teased at the build 2021 developer conference.
Here's the quote from Satya Nadella.
Soon we will share one of the most significant updates
of Windows of the past decade
to unlock greater economic opportunity
for developers and creators.
Developers, developers, developers.
Okay, sorry.
Codename Sun Valley 21H2.
You can expect more details in June at the next event.
So they've said in the past
that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows.
So it's likely that this is just another Windows 10 update.
But the whole next generation thing could imply
that this is a very major update.
And also-
I mean, we said this was gonna happen super long time ago.
You can't just completely stop major innovation.
Like it's gonna happen.
They might just stop numbering the operating system,
but there's gonna be big, big jumps.
Which could be exactly what we're looking at.
So preview builds have already showcased
some of the coming changes.
So WinUI 3 integration, a new start menu,
new action center, new taskbar, rounded corners.
I mean, that sounds like enough to justify
a new version of Windows back in the day
when they released them every couple of years.
Awesome, man.
I would take rounded corners at this time.
I'm so tired of everything being a box.
I never liked this design language.
I always think it looked like junk.
At no point in time did I think it looked good.
The first Windows 8 menu thing that you had,
there was no start menu.
Do you remember that?
I don't even remember what that was called.
Windows 8 tiles or whatever.
Hated it, hate it now.
You know what still looks good today?
Windows Vista.
Yeah, it does.
As much as people hated that operating system
and with decently good reason,
if you didn't have an absolutely monster machine.
I did.
It looked good.
Get wrecked.
The square thing, I didn't.
These square things.
I just, ugh.
It's just like in some places,
maybe you could make it look good.
But when that's like,
this is how every single thing is gonna look forever,
no matter what.
It just, I don't know.
I actually hate it so much.
I don't usually get that like.
Yeah, I was gonna say.
Passionate about design things,
but I just hate this.
Everything being flat and square.
It's just not good.
Flat squares everywhere.
This is a fun one.
So your flat squares might be a little bit easier
to keep track of.
The fix for Windows apps rearranging themselves
could be part of this update.
I have so many issues with this.
Like, oh man,
do you ever open a doc in protected view mode?
And you go to like,
you put it where you wanna have it.
Oh, and then you click like that.
You go to make a change.
You click, yes, I want to edit this document.
It's from a safe location or whatever.
And it goes and it just like moves it somewhere else.
It's like, no, I put it where I wanted it to be.
I wouldn't have moved it if I didn't want it there.
I think it's not quite that issue,
but it's actually more related to users
with multiple monitors.
This is one of those issues with Windows
that just shouldn't be an issue.
Like if you unplug a monitor
and an application just gets like stuck off of your screen
and there's no way to recall it without,
I think there are third-party tools
where you can like build something into
like the context menu to right click it in the task bar
and like bring it to display one
or bring it to display two or whatever,
but it is so annoying.
And not just when you unplug and replug a monitor,
but also if you're remoting into a machine
with software that doesn't have support for multi-monitor,
like say, for example,
I think the Parsec non-professional version doesn't.
Yeah, so apparently there's a fix coming for that.
Just high-larious.
This is interesting.
Wait, hold on.
What is going on here?
Is this actually new?
Is the Steam Pal confirmed?
Off the option to dock.
Oh, these are leaks.
These are leaks from Valve.
Apparently they are working on a handheld,
which would be exciting if Valve had any kind of level
of commit to their hardware projects,
except their VR ones.
Do you remember the Valve Linux boxes?
Do you remember how fast those were dropped?
Yeah, that was really, that was pretty brutal.
Even Steam Link is dead now.
Steam controllers are gone.
Man, and like, good on them, you know?
But the speed at which the computer hardware community
jumped on SteamOS was crazy.
And then Steam just like,
meh, don't care anymore, see ya.
Well, in fairness, in fairness,
they did kind of continue spiritually the program
with Proton, and that's like kind of a big deal
in terms of Windows game compatibility on Linux now.
But I don't know, I just, it's like Google, right?
It's like signing up for their new chat app
or music service.
I don't know, can I commit to this?
Do I really want to integrate this in my life?
I'm not sure.
Do I try to convert people in my life to this, et cetera?
You know what you really need to convert people
in your life to?
The value of meditation.
Oh, geez.
Okay, so this is amazing.
Amazon- Whoever thought of this
has never talked to a warehouse worker ever,
and I guarantee it.
Oh my goodness.
Amazon will install ZenBooth meditation kiosks
in its warehouses.
So this was actually, this was actually a thing
that Amazon actually announced
as part of its Working Well program,
and it is exactly what that picture
I just showed you looked like.
It is a phone booth in the middle of an Amazon warehouse
where you go and close the door and cry.
With a clear door, or at least a partially clear door,
so people can see that you're in there.
So the claim is that it's to help employees de-stress.
It is a mindful practice room, whatever that means,
and inside workers can use a screen
to navigate through a library of mental health
and mindful practices called Amazon.
Amazon!
In order to recharge their internal battery.
I like that recharging internal batteries
is the way that we kind of can think
of Amazon's warehouse workers, apparently.
They're machines, they need their batteries recharged.
The booths are equipped with plants, pamphlets,
a fan, and tinted blue light.
Not too much of it though, because again,
it's about the size of a phone booth.
Yeah, not too many plants.
And so I would like to look up this Leela Brown
who apparently came up with this.
I just know-
I love LinkedIn.
I haven't worked in, oh no,
I technically worked in a warehouse.
Yeah, I worked at a factory that had a small
storage thing on the side,
and I worked in the storage of stuff that the factory made
and distribution onto trucks and stuff like that.
So kind of the same, at least related.
And I know from having worked there
and knowing the people that worked there,
this is not what people want.
Probably, you know, better pay, better working conditions.
That's probably more what they want.
Yeah.
Just saying.
So I love creeping people on LinkedIn.
It's always, always fascinating.
So I got a background in injury prevention.
Apparently the lady who came up with this athletic trainer
at some point in the past.
Yeah, mostly experienced as an athletic trainer
and injury prevention specialist at Amazon.
So as you expected, literally zero experience
working in a warehouse,
which is definitely a qualification
that I would say Amazon should consider
for someone who is creating programs
to improve the morale of the workers in their warehouses.
There's been some criticism of the Amazon booth.
User Talia Lavin said,
I feel like livable wages and working conditions
are better than a mobile despair closet.
Alex Press says a portable toilet
might've actually been more useful.
Yeah.
Got him.
It's not clear when Amazon workers
would even be able to use the booths.
Workers recently sued the company
for failing to schedule legally required 30 minute breaks.
Then forcing employees to monitor their walkie talkies
if any problems arose.
And employees also complained
about chronically understaffed shifts
that left them unable to take 10 minute rest breaks.
It's ironic how people in a warehouse make next to nothing
and are expected to run, run, run, run, run, run, run
like machines and people who work at a desk
whose job it is to like think.
Like I can tell you as someone whose job it is
is essentially to think,
I don't work continuously for eight hours at my shift.
Like it doesn't work that way.
It tends to be a little bit bursty.
Like I'll have a go, go, go time.
You know, we'll have a rush where,
okay, I gotta review a script with Anthony
for this pre-briefing we got on an event.
And then while that's being set up to shoot,
I need to go shoot a short circuit.
Then I need to go straight to Anthony's thing
and I need to shoot that.
And then when I'm done,
I need to have a quick meeting with James
about what happened there.
And then honestly guys,
I'm gonna take like 15 minutes, 10 minutes and brain break.
You know, I'm gonna-
Get some water, move around a little bit.
I'll do some, well, usually I'm moving a lot of work actually
I take a lot of steps.
Okay, desk workers might move around a little bit.
Yeah, but like something that I might do
is something that's only kind of work, you know?
Like I'll go and I'll have a look at some Twitter mentions
or I'll check sentiment on today's video upload
or I'll, you know, reply to some not very urgent emails
that don't require a lot of thought
because the human body is not designed
to go full bore all the time.
It's, if you think it is, then you know what?
Good for you, enjoy being an amazing Superman
or Superwoman or whatever, but most of us can't do it.
So I think it's just, I don't know, it's just madness
the kind of expectations.
I think the pandemic has taught us a lot, right?
On the one hand, you know,
we've got these essential workers, but on the other hand,
there's this sort of confusion
that they don't want to come back to work
for, you know, $12 an hour or less.
What?
It's like, sorry, you told us we were essential.
You told us we were essential.
So like, now what, now what's up?
I mean, have you seen those signs?
Essentially not worth very much to the company, nerd.
Way to get underpaid.
Have you seen those signs, those like salty signs
on like fast food restaurants and stuff?
So are we-
No one wants to work anymore.
Yeah, no one wants to work anymore.
It's like, no, no one wants to work for
what is the equivalent of way below minimum wage
30, 40 years ago.
That's what no one wants to work for.
Anyway, that's a whole separate conversation.
16 gig RAM iPads, underperforming something, something.
Apparently there's still some optimization
that needs to be done in iPad OS
to make sure that they can make full use of their RAM.
Okay, and I guess that's pretty much it for the show.
Other than I should probably go through some super chats.
All right.
Lori O asks, LTT laptop bag.
Robert Mail says, there's no non boring topics.
The Index 2 is getting freaking laser beams.
Okay, yeah, that's rumored.
We don't know that for sure,
but it does look like the Index 2 will be moving
to inside out tracking.
So maybe I won't have to worry so much
about base station mounting points
and power in the ceiling at my new house.
So that's neat, except that I will have to,
cause I'm using an Index 1.
So I guess I have to worry about how to do that
and then how to patch holes.
Thrakarzad says, as someone who works for Amazon,
I can say the company is definitely very out of touch.
Just thought you should know your feelings are justified.
Have some of Amazon's money.
I kind of feel bad taking it from you
to be perfectly honest.
Yeah.
TheRolling Hat says, how are the 12K cameras going?
Did they end up being worth switching from the 8K Red?
So it's complicated.
Oh Lord, is it ever complicated?
They have issues with recording over USB,
which we shouldn't have found that surprising,
but it's still pretty frustrating.
They are not really higher resolution than Red's 8K image.
Not really, cause there's more noise in them.
The, yeah, I don't know.
They're okay.
We're exploring other options.
We're actually looking, maybe going back to Sony.
What is it, the FX6, I think, FX3, I can't remember.
Really?
Shmin says, LMG focuses on high-res content,
but you upload in 30 FPS.
It usually doesn't matter,
but the office tour is noticeable
with all the extra camera movement.
Why stay at 30 and not 50 or 60?
The reason is that my camera department would mutiny.
They don't want to shoot 60 FPS content.
And if I force them,
I legitimately think one or more of them would quit.
I'm sorry, it is what it is.
Abder says, lockdown should end soon with vaccines,
Scrapyard War, when and where?
I don't know if we'll ever do another Scrapyard Wars,
to be honest with you.
We've kind of seen that through to a certain degree.
And honestly, one, I think it's kind of been seen through.
And two, the environment right now is just terrible.
I think Scrapyard Wars accomplished its goal, to be honest.
The goal that Scrapyard Wars had when we first did it
was to encourage people to not just buy new things,
to spend a little bit of effort,
check the used market
and potentially save a huge amount of money.
Learn about computers.
Yes.
Be an informed consumer.
Informed consumers don't always buy
the newest, shiniest object.
Yeah.
And honestly, I think that's quite ingrained
in the culture now.
And I think a lot of that came from Scrapyard Wars.
I think we can be very happy about that.
Yep.
We also-
It's been a bit exhausting.
Yeah, we also, I think,
showed that you can be a PC gamer for a few hundred dollars.
There was a perception not that long ago
that PC gaming master race, whatever,
had this barrier to entry,
where if you didn't have a thousand dollars to spend,
there was sort of this elitist.
And there was a community of the,
there was a part of the PC community
that unironically felt this way.
And I think we kind of dispelled that.
We kind of went,
no, you don't have to have a thousand dollars to,
and run at the highest resolution to be a PC gamer.
And I mean,
curiously, you can still run at the highest resolutions,
which we showed,
and not spend a thousand dollars.
And I don't know.
I think that was a really good thing.
It's, yeah, it's funny.
I was reading it.
I was reading a spectacularly stupid tweet today
where someone was like,
oh yeah, that Linus guy,
you mean the one that doesn't think there's any problem
with the term PC master race.
And it's like,
you clearly just have no idea what that term means
or ever meant.
It's ironic.
We are-
We're taking the piss.
We're not actually supporting eugenics
or whatever it is that you think it's about.
It's about making fun of it.
The PC master race is a satirical term.
And even the subreddit that is now probably the most
kind of famous community of people
who fly willingly under that banner,
even the subreddit is very clear
that you don't have to even have a computer.
You just have to love PC gaming.
It's not about being exclusionary.
It's about being inclusive.
So you've clearly misunderstood-
It's a little weird, but yeah.
You've misunderstood.
You're getting hung up on the words
and you're misunderstanding the meaning.
The original meaning was to make fun of PC snobs
and then PC snobs co-opted it
and also did some introspection and kind of went,
oh yeah, there's no reason to be snobby about this.
Everyone should be welcome.
And now, no, I don't see a problem with the term
because words are what they mean.
And that's what it means.
And if you choose to put your fingers in your ears
and go, la, la, la, la, la,
it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that it means
what I want it to mean.
Well, that's on you.
I can't do anything about that.
So go be mad, right?
What do you want from me?
So to quickly summarize the Scrapyard Wars thing,
it was like one of my favorite things ever as well,
but I think it's kind of ran its course, kind of sad,
but the old episodes are always there.
And I think LTT will find new and inventive ways
to get across those messages when they deem fit.
I think the used market is not wanting
or needing that right now anyways.
Yeah, no kidding.
Not even remotely.
So I think there's, yeah, yeah, that's about it.
All right.
Let's go ahead and see if there's anything else in here.
Tyler B says, is there any way we could easily secure
our personal data most of the time
without changing our daily lives too much?
We've actually been thinking of doing like a de-Googleify
your life or like a de-cloudify your life kind of video.
The problem is that that type of content
really doesn't perform well for us.
So it's the kind of thing that when the channel's
doing well, we'll do it anyway and just kind of eat it.
But yes, it is something that we're planning to do,
but probably not for the time being.
Dom says, love my keyboard shirt.
Got one of each color, even the limited edition one.
Very nice.
But my totter who has green key caps wants a green version.
You know what?
My keyboard shirt hasn't been one of our most successful
products.
So I can't promise that you will see
any more versions of that.
It's G-Man says, have you seen Discord's rebranding?
Yes.
It's all right.
I don't know.
I don't really think it looks better personally.
I don't think it looks worse.
I just don't really care.
I don't care anymore.
Yeah.
Nathan asks, would you ever have a French channel?
I wouldn't not have a French channel,
but I don't think it's really in the works right now.
Phantom says, I do anal segs.
All right.
I think you might've mistyped that, but okay.
Oh, Tyler B says, show us the burb, please.
That's not the easiest thing to do.
Also while they have been chatting,
they were supposed to be asleep from the show.
So they wouldn't be too loud, but I will,
I will maybe work on it.
Yeah, give me a sec.
Sure.
Oh, no noise says, hey guys, I'm sorry that it's off topic,
but I'd like to suggest a request to build.
I'm a truck driver.
I want to build a computer that's easy to move around
with no compromises.
I really don't like laptops.
Yeah.
I mean, we've done some really compact builds lately.
You should probably check those out.
Otherwise like a super portable build.
We've been considering doing like the divorced parents PC
for a while.
And so the idea would be that it includes a really portable
PC and also peripherals.
I think it's still on the agenda,
but it's just something that's been
kind of kicked down the road a handful of times
for more time sensitive projects.
Phantom says I have severe industrial grade
unstoppable diarrhea.
I wouldn't normally have read that,
but Phantom sent a hundred New Zealand dollars,
whatever that is for me to read it.
So I guess here we are.
Sent using Starlink from my Sunseeker 155 yachts.
Okay.
Hey, it's burb.
They're very, I had like a blanket cover on them
and I just lifted it off.
And then I shoved this camera in their face.
So I think they're just like, wait, what?
But you can see the green one, also known as Wally,
like Wally from the movie.
He has one foot up, meaning he's very comfortable.
And he's doing some little beat grinding,
which also means he's very comfortable.
And the other one, the one in the back named Scoop,
that's where he often sleeps.
So he's just kind of chilling.
He was relaxed.
He was relaxed, just hanging out under the blanket.
They were sleeping during the show.
Yeah.
PMD says, Scrapyard Wars, but all parts must be pre-2010.
Just gonna play us, play some classic games, right?
Opszar says, AMC GME YOLO update.
I mean, there's not much of an update.
I tweeted yesterday.
I'm still holding.
It's not a very good idea.
You know, I wouldn't recommend it,
but technically, get this, Luke.
I am up.
Yeah.
I heard there's been an AMC rally or something.
I'm not following it closely enough.
Yeah, AMC is like double what I paid for it,
which is the dumbest thing ever.
Is that the moon?
I don't know anything.
I just like movies, you know?
I just like movies.
Yeah.
I just like-
I just like the stock.
I just like movies.
I wouldn't recommend getting into this at all, guys.
GME is down 13% today.
AMC is actually down today,
but it rallied so much over the last little bit
that it's like, yeah.
So on the original 50 grand into GME, AMC, and BCRX,
which were all WallStreetBets stocks,
that I was like, here we go, wealth redistribution.
I'm actually up seven grand.
So it's been redistributed to me now,
but you only make money if you sell.
So since I'm a smooth-brained ape and I have diamond hands,
I guess I haven't made any money.
But that also means I never lost any money,
even when the portfolio was worth half of what I paid.
So we'll see how that goes.
I'm not even paying attention to it anymore,
to be perfectly honest with you guys.
It's just, it's there.
Like I said before, to me,
this is more about just redistribution
of wealth, someone who needs it more than me
is gonna end up with it.
That's what I expect to happen.
I think I probably am not gonna do any more updates on it.
I think it's just not really necessary.
I think to the vast majority of the audience,
it's not that interesting.
And that's kind of fast.
Yeah, that crowd can keep doing their whole thing.
Floatplane chat's just like, Linus sell, just sell it.
Just sell it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
DJ Spark says,
I'm doing quite well on the Corsair IPO.
That's interesting.
Oh, sorry.
That's not what I meant to do.
Okay, yeah.
I guess they went up at like 15
and they're worth like 30 now.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I can see that.
I wasn't, I mean, I was really uncertain at the time.
I told you guys, I was like,
I don't know, I don't really get it.
They're already number one or number two
in basically every space they participate in.
And so I see them continuing to be a very profitable company
but a lot of the time that's not the way stocks work.
Just like being a high functioning profitable company
doesn't seem to be enough.
You have to be growing.
So yeah, I don't know.
All right, well,
I think that's pretty much it for the WAN Show for today.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Oh, no, I have one more thing.
Hey Luke, David.
Did I ever tell you David figured after a week
he could beat me in Beat Saber?
Yeah.
Have you never played it before?
It's official.
When is that?
He and I are going to be streaming,
hopefully, hopefully.
The plan is for he and I to stream on Sunday night
and this will be his initial experience in Beat Saber.
So obviously it's gonna be a like a show.
And then-
So this is day one.
Yeah.
So you're gonna compete with him on day one
and then you're gonna see the improvement
over the course of a week. On day seven.
Yeah. Okay.
So we'll see if he can beat me on day seven.
He says that he is like a rock band god in his words.
He's very modest about it.
So he says he's a rock band god
and that he's amazing at rhythm games.
Yeah, I was super good at rock band too.
Those, that's not the skill transfer
that I think you'd think it is, but.
He apparently was a drummer for like 15 years though.
I could see that being somewhat applicable.
Like real, like real life.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So very, very musical.
Grade 10 piano.
He was listing all of his credentials for me today
while he talked about how he was going to wreck me.
He's much stronger than me.
So in terms of like, like just arm strength,
like going back and forth and stuff, you know,
he's probably got an endurance advantage.
But what's-
Strength and endurance are not the same thing.
What's hard for I think people who haven't really played
to understand is that none of those things
are going to matter.
Yeah.
Because it's all about form
and conveniently the sport that I play,
which is not rock band is, which is badminton,
has a very similar stroke
and has a very similar accuracy tolerance to Beadsaber.
That's why I picked it up really quickly.
I suspect he is going to get into it
and realize that he can hit the boxes,
but that his swings are not accurate enough
to get any kind of decent score.
So we'll see.
We'll see.
I could be wrong.
He could crush me.
And then I would be really embarrassed
about coming out and talking smack on the WAN Show like this.
But yeah, he's a surprise with his Zed.
And I don't know, there's an,
I think there's an underscore.
There's an underscore as the U.
He needs a new, he needs a new handle.
It's a little complicated.
He's surprised on Twitch.
And then I'll probably be on the Linus Tech Twitch account
Sunday night.
That's the plan.
So we'll see how it goes.
That's exciting.
That's genuinely quite exciting.
Apparently Mark Zuckerberg uploaded a video
of him playing Beadsaber, beat him instead.
I'm pretty sure I could handle him.
I'm pretty sure I could.
Yeah, I know that would be a problem.
All right.
Later guys.
Bye.
Thanks for watching.
And I'll see you guys next time.